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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are
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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this
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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,
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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,
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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so
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evil many feel they are unspeakable.
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Warning.
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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,
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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,
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kJ You're back with another sort of unspeakable. How is
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it going in your neck of the woods? And I'm
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going to start today with something that kind of blew
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my mind? Do y'all remember a few episodes back whenever
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I covered the Dylan Roof case, and that was the
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white guy that went in and shot up the Black
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church and he was a hateful, horrible person. Well, there
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is an update now on this case and it actually
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doesn't have anything to do with Dylan Roof. It has
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to do with the judge that sat in on part
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of his I don't know if it was his sentencing
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or what, but there was a judge a Charleston County
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Magistrate magistrate judge. His name is James Gosnell, Junior, And y'all,
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the judge has been arrested and he's now facing charges
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of possession of child sexual abuse material. And this is
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a according to the United States Department of Justice. And
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they found flash drives in his house full of all
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this child pornography type stuff. And so if you are
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just someone who follows up with crime like I do,
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and I kind of when I saw roof, I thought
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it was him back in the news for something, and
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it is the frickin' judge. Unbelievable. Go look it up
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if you're interested in this. But the payments, it was
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money exchanging and everything. The payments came from this peer
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to peer online money transfer account that he was using.
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I mean, this is some pretty dark stuff. And he's
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a judge. Man.
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I'm so disappointed in that whenever I find out that
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a judge, and I know anybody any day is capable
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of being a horrible person, but damn, you know, anything
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that could even possibly raise an appellet you know, and
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appeals for some appeal for somebody that maybe was sentenced
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or something. Underneath this guy, I hate when those doors
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are opened, and I think that's why it really frustrated me.
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But this story today obviously is not going to be
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about that. We are going to be in Cincinnati for
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this one. And when I think of Cincinnati, I automatically,
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without question, think of Joe Burrow. He brought my Tigers
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to a national championship and we won that bitch, And
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so I am a huge Bengals fan. I think of Cincinnati.
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And while football is something that many of us believed
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to be important, being a mother is what topped Cincinnatian
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Nitisha Latimore's list of importance. And Nitisha was twenty six
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years old and carving out her place in the world
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when she found herself pregnant. Now, Nitisha, I want you
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to know this is a tiny little thing. She was
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an itty bitty girl, but feisty. Ooh, you didn't want
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to cross this one. She was feisty and something that
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she loved to do was to dress up. She loved
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to look good. She wanted to look her best. She
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was one of those women that liked to get her
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hair done, she liked taking selfie, she liked looking pretty.
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She had this light cocoa skin and she maintained this long,
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wavy hair, and just like the young girls do, she
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loved those long eyelashes and ladies, listen. I know I
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got men that listen to but ladies, real quick. Don't
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think eyelashes make you walk a little prouder, because they
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do me. I feel good when I got my fake
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lash is on. So she would sometimes put on this
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bright eyeshadow and then in other pictures of her, she
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would just enjoy the real natural look that she could rock.
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And she was so excited when she found out that
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she was finally going to be a mom. This was
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something that she thought was going to be the greatest
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adventure of her life, and knowing that a little life
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was growing inside of her was an amazing feeling and
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one that despite any uphill battle she may be facing
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in that moment, she was not going to take this lightly.
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She was in a relationship at that time with a
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man named Tonio Hughes, and he was excited to be
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a parent, as was she. They were excited to look
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forward to this little being that was about to be
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in their lives, and the tiny life inside of her
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would make his debut nine months later, and they would
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proudly name this little man Nilo.
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Now truth be told. While her undying love story with.
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Her new baby boy was just starting, the relationship with
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Tonio was ending. There weren't They just weren't doing well.
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Things weren't going good, and so she decided to choose
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happiness over what might have made her life easier by
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having two parents one hundred percent of the time in
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the picture. And she wasn't scared to be a single mom.
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She was not scared at all. Actually, she struck out
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on her own and she was going to do her
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best to pave her way for herself and her baby.
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She was able to secure her own apartment and she
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was so excited to get those keys. And this was
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on February the twelfth of twenty twenty. She got those
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keys in her hand, and no matter she could furnish
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it or not, she had a roof to put over
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her head and her baby's head. And she began to
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shift her goals to gaining long term, steady employment rather
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than just little menial jobs or something like that. Growing up,
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she didn't have to worry about how the bills were
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paid because she was a kid. Reality of now herself
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having to provide for her son.
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It hit hard.
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So she was proud to be watching baby Nilo grow
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and by the time that he could walk, he.
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Was following her around her a little apartment, step first step.
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And she was now as he had grown a little bit,
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getting kind of nervous because she realized, oh my gosh,
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you know, I've got to put my little man in
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daycare and he's my baby.
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Will they love him? Will they take care of him?
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And so she said to herself, you know what, I
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just have to put this in God's hands. This is
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something that I've got to do so that I can
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better our lives. Her most precious gift, she decided, would
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be covered by the protection of Jesus while she was
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making moves to improve their life. So she would also
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at times get some baby free weekends, which was.
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Also a really good thing for her.
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So when the baby would be maybe with his daddy
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or with family members and she would get a little
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bit of a break. She liked to go to the casinos.
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She liked to relax there, do a little bit of
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gambling or whatever. But that's when COVID really started to
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take over. And if you remember, we do we all do.
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The stores were closing the world slowed down. Nobody was
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really getting out, going anywhere. Making money was even harder
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than ever, and so getting out and getting to relax
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that wasn't gonna happen anyway.
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She was just kind of stuck at home.
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But the funny thing about this was that she may
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have been sitting at home due to corona, okay, but
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she said, I don't care if I'm stuck at home,
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I'm still gonna look cute.
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She posted this on her Facebook.
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She was still gonna dress up, even if it was
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just to sit her ass in the living room. She
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wanted to look good doing it, and I thought that
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was pretty precious. So she was living in Section eight
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housing and she was on food stamps, but she was
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wanting to make more money. She didn't want to remain
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complacent and just that be the way that it was going.
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So not being very educated was an issue, and if
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she wanted to move up in the world, she recognized,
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I've got to do something about this. And so she
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was very clear that while I may not have much
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right now, whatever I do have, I will be spending
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on my son. She was also turning over a new
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leaf for herself. She had been in relationships in the
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past and maybe to date, I guess you could say
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that at times seemed to have domestic violence involved in
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these relationships.
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She was really.
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Vocal online in her online presence about that she had
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not been in good relationships. She even went as far
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as to say that she had even been raped when
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she was seventeen. But she refused to allow this emotional
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damage that had hurt her so deeply to this point
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in her life. She was now changing, she was shifting,
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and she was no longer going to allow that emotional
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damage in trauma that was done to her to control her.
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She was in charge of the future of herself and
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her child, and nobody else past, present, or future was
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going to get in the way of that. And she
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said that being a mother it had changed her, It
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had changed everything about her, and she was now a
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new person. When she was a little bit younger, she
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had been in trouble at times, even with the law,
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and she now recognized that that was stupidity, that that
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was not the way that she should have been acting,
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and she would never let that happen again. Nilo needed
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her and there would never be a day in her
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life that she would not be there for her baby boy.
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He made her smile, y'all, even on the worst days.
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And if you have children, you know what I'm talking about.
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And even if you don't, I just posted something on
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Facebook and a lot of people did it. Go check
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it out, by the way, if you haven't, I just
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posted something on the day that I'm recording this where
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it's this project that kindergartener's are doing in another state.
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And you can dial the phone number and kindergarten you
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can choose do you need a pep talk?
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Do you need words of encouragement? What do you need?
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And you go through the phone.
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Prompt and then these little kindergarteners will give you some
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life advice or whatever it is that you're needing. Children
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have a way of, even on your worst day, making
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you smile and making you just feel good. Their innocence,
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something about that innocence is just so heartwarming. And her
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little man was smart, and he made her smile even
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on the hard days, and he was thriving. At the
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point I'm telling in the story, he could count past
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the number ten, and little Nilo knew the sounds that
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a lot of animals made. He could tell you what
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a cow did a cow mood, and he knew that,
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you know, just the sweetest things. So Natisha was thrilled
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that he was now close to starting preschool and that
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was really all that she could talk about. Her little
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dude was doing it. He was three at the at
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this point in the story, and he was on his way.
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But he wasn't the only one who would be going
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to school because his mama had also enrolled in school.
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They were going to do it together as a team.
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She had enrolled at Good Samaritan Nursing College and her
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goal was to become a medical assistant.
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And in her mind, they were a power duo. Mama
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and son taken on the world. We got this.
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We don't need anybody or anything, We just need each other.
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And she was now also in a new relationship. She
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had started dating a man by the name of Deshaun Brown,
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and she thought, you know, it's a pretty cool dude,
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and he was fun and he liked to be around
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baby Nilo as well, which is always a plus. You
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want your children to like the person that is your
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potential partner whenever you're not with their biological father. That
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would be a wonderful thing and it was also nice
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to have a male figure around too, because she had
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just recently had a scare in her own apartment back
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in March of twenty twenty, and she shared with friends again.
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She shared online that someone had tried to break into
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her apartment and police were responding because when she had
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come home, she found that not only was her window open,
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but the screen was missing, and she always always kept
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her windows closed and locked, so this really spooked her.
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Who was watching her, who was trying to come into
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her home? And why having a boyfriend and having one
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not only that she was dating, but have one that
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was around a lot, it made her feel safer in
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this regard because she had no idea who had tried
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to come into her apartment. She was worried though, because
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her main issue, and we all could guess this was
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her baby Nilo. What if someone were to break in
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and it's just her and the baby. What would she
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do because she had to protect her little man against
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any possible threat, and she was even considering getting a