Aug. 7, 2025

Crime Wire Weekly 8/8/25 | Aaron Spencer Gag Order Lifted, Fort Stewart Shooting, Tik-Tok Deputy’s Sexual Frustration (Preview)

Crime Wire Weekly 8/8/25 | Aaron Spencer Gag Order Lifted, Fort Stewart Shooting, Tik-Tok Deputy’s Sexual Frustration (Preview)

*This is a preview, links to listen to the full podcast by following "Crime Wire Weekly" are below. In this episode of Crime Wire Weekly, hosts Jim Chapman and Kelly Jennings discuss a series of trending crime stories, including a incident at Fort...

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Season 7
*This is a preview, links to listen to the full podcast by following "Crime Wire Weekly" are below.

In this episode of Crime Wire Weekly, hosts Jim Chapman and Kelly Jennings discuss a series of trending crime stories, including a incident at Fort Stewart Army Base in Georgia where (5) are shot. In Louisiana, several crimes of note occurred including a state trooper arrested for battering a dating partner and a domestic violence incident that led to a murder/suicide. In Arizona, a Tik-Tok creator is arrested for staging multiple pranks and who knew “sexsomnia” is a thing in the UK…or is it? These stories and more are on tap for today! 

(See topics below) 

Topics Crime Wire weekly Airing August 8th 2025
  1. Georgia Fort Stewart Shooting of (5) 
  2. Louisiana State Trooper Arrested for Battery 
  3. Arkansas Gag Order Lifted in Aaron Spencer Case
  4. Domestic Violence Murder/Suicide in Central, Louisiana
  5. Tennessee Quadruple Murder Suspect Arrested
  6. Maryland Mother Charged With murder 11 years later
  7. Tik-Tok Prank Arrest in Arizona
  8. Texas Deputy's Controversial TikTok Over Sexual Frustration
  9. “Sexsomnia” is Not a Thing in the UK
  10.  Pennsylvania Man Kills Pregnant Girlfriend Over Fatherhood
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All right, folks, we got a lot to cover today

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in the world of crime related news. In Georgia, five

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soldiers are shot and a fellow soldier is in custody.

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In Louisiana, a state trooper is arrested after assaulting a

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dating partner. And also in Louisiana, a domestic violence situation

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turns deadly in a murder suicide. More details have come

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out in the Arkansas case of Aaron Spencer. This is

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a dad who killed a guy molesting his thirteen year

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old daughter. In Facts, I counted the emails and messages

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I received on this case, over twenty separate messages and

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requests to cover this story. TikToker is arrested in Arizona

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after conducting a series of TikTok pranks. In Tennessee, a

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suspect in a quadruple killing is arrested. A Texas deputy

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who said she was sexually frustrated on social media. She's

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in some trouble of her room now with her Texas

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Sheriff's Association. We'll get into that. All this and much

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more today. Welcome to Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman.

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And I'm Kelly Jennings. What is going on, Jimmy thief.

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It's going good. You're back in the studio.

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I am, I man. I needed that vacation. We all do. Yeah,

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but it was so down hot.

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It was beautiful from the pictures you took.

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Yeah, and we stayed. We went a whole week and

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we stayed at the pool. We went to the beach

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once and I got pissed off because it was too hot.

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Right, I don't mind.

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It was hot and I had seaweed in my in

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my swimsuit.

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Well, seaweed in your swimsuit from the one day you

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went to the beach.

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Yes, it was very thick on the edge of the water.

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We can't have seaweed in your swimsuit.

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kJ makes things just real weird, noe.

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And we're going to start out at Fort Stewart. This

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is in Georgia and Fort Stewart incidentally the largest military

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base in the country. An Army sergeant has opened fire

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at Fort Stewart. This was on Wednesday, shooting five soldiers,

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prompting a brief lockdown, and very few details outside of

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that are available as to what led to this. The

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suspected shooter has been identified by US officials as Logistics

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Sergeant Cornelius Radford. He's twenty eight. He has not previously

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been deployed to combat, so I guess they make a

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note of that in case anyone wanted to say that

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he had any sort of PTSD issues going on. Radford

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opened fire at his workplace using a personal handgun and

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not his military issued weapon. The shooting happened at the

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second Armored Brigade Combat Team area of the base. In

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law enforcement was dispatched to the area. That was at

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ten fifty six am on Wednesday. The alleged shooter was

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apprehended just about thirty minutes later at eleven thirty five am.

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Soldiers in the area who witnessed the shooting immediately and

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without hesitation, tackled the shooter and Radford was taken into custody. Now,

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the Army said it's investigating the shooting and they are

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still of course, with this being early on in the investigation,

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many unanswered questions, what are the condition of the soldiers,

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the scope of the injuries, the name of the shooter,

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as well as any possible motive. We do have the

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name of the shooter, but why he did it is

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really the question. The Army won't release names of the

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injured until they notify family members, of course, and we

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all understand that, and they're not going to speculate on

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the motive. They're going to really dive deep into this

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investigation to try to figure out why this guy would

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go off and just shoot five soldiers. This is a

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mass shooting, right, officials did say. However, all five victims

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thankfully or in stable condition. They're all expected to survive,

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and three of them have already had surgery. All of

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these soldiers were treated on site and then they were

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moved to Win Army Community Hospital for further treatment, and

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some of the wounded were taken to what's known as

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Memorial Health University Medical Center in Savannah, Georgia. That hospital

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is very well known for top level treatment and as

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far as it relates to trauma in the state of Georgia. Now,

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the latest acts of violence in a US military installation site.

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You know, these sites are supposed to be secure. They're

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supposed to be the most secure in the country. I mean,

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you have guard shacks everywhere. These are military bases. It's

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not easy to get on and off. However, when it's

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one of your own, you can't. You can't secure against

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that now. White House and Defense Department officials said President

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Donald Trump and Secretary Peak Pete Hegseth have been briefed

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on the shooting. The FBI was at the fort also

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to help investigate that shooting. That from Deputy Director Dan Bongino.

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White House Press Secretary Caroline Levitt shared a message on

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x saying the President had been briefed on the shooting

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at Fort Stewart. The quote, the President had been briefed

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at the shooting Fort Stewart. I swear to God that's

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how the article just read. The White House is monitoring

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the situation, broke Caroline Lovett. Georgia Governor Brian Kemp said

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he is keeping the victims, their families and all those

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who answer the call to serve in their prayers and

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it's now. This base is located forty miles south west

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of Savannah. It is the largest Army post east of

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the Mississippi River. It's home to thousands of soldiers assigned

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to the Army's third Infantry Division and their family members.

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And if you're curious, one of the deadliest acts of

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violence on US military bases was a two thousand and

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nine US Army psychiatrist who attacked and killed thirteen people.

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Remember that, you remember that in a shooting that left

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more than thirty wounded at Fort Hood, which is a

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Texas military base. In twenty thirteen, a defense contractor, contract

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worker and former Navy reservists killed twelve people at the

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Washington Navy Yard. He was then killed in a gun

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battle with police. In twenty fourteen, a soldier opened fire

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on his fellow service members at Ford Hood, again killing

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three people and wounding more than a dozen before killing himself.

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And twenty nineteen, an aviation student open fire in a

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classroom at the Naval Air Station in Pensacola. I've been

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there in Florida. That's where the Blue Angels fly out.

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They are so sick. Sorry, I don't go to get

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off task. That is so sick.

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Yeah. Well, this aviation student actually killed three people and

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injured another dozen people, including two sheriff's deputies. Just days

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earlier from that shooting, a US Navy pilot rather US

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Navy sailors, shot two people to death before killing himself

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at Pearl Harbor, which we all know, that's a naval

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station in Waii. So prayers to those families.

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And I know these are these are the situations where

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obviously everyone wants to know why, and they're looking for

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someone to blame.

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I think would be another thing.

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A lot of people do want to how could this happen?

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You know, who is responsible for this? Ultimately it's the shooter.

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He is responsible for this, And I don't know. You know,

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human behavior is not predictable. Responses to things I think

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are somewhat in a realm of predictability. You know, if

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you get punched in the face, you'll jump back, or

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if you're you know, someone yells at you, you might

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get scared or something if you're a kid. But but

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to expect someone to come in and just open fire

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on the on the team, it's just the ultimate betrayal.

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Yeah, it's it's you know.

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What I mean by the team, like we're all nonsensical.

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I mean, it's it's just like you know, expect you

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see it a lot with these mass shootings where there

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is no why they did it. I mean, there's never

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a good enough reason to do it, right. So, you know,

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I guess we'll get answers at some point, but they're

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going to do an investigation before they really release anything

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of substance.

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And what we're gonna get is that he was pissed

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off about something and that he is obviously maladapted to response,

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or they're going to say, what mental illness. Well, I

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mean he cleared some kind of checkpoints, so you know,

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I don't either way. You didn't kill anybody, and so

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for that, I'm thankful you.

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Uh yeah, I mean think thankfully all these It looks

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like all of these soldiers are going to survive and

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good and these are already here raise even before they

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have to.

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And junk right on jumped right in and took his

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ass down. Yeah, oh, rah Man, good job, y'all, good job, seriously,

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good job. You saved more lives than you probably we

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would ever be able to count because we.

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Don't know with the extent this could have been.

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So that's right, excellent, All right, Well, let's come right

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here in our neck of the woods in.

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Louisiana, Louisiana.

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I think you know this case pretty well with me, Jimmothy.

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But a Louisiana State trooper is sitting in an East

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Feliciana jail after a woman claimed he battered her overnight.

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The trooper, Derek Parrish, thirty eight was taken into custody

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on charges of battery of a dating partner and arrest.

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Warrant shows the trooper followed a woman into her bedroom,

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where he forced her down on the bed, screamed in

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her face, and bit her. Jimy bit her. I've heard

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of canine officers, but they usually handle canines. They don't

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usually become the canine. The East Feliciana Parish Sheriff's office

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was to the residence in the seventy nine hundred block

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of Highway sixty three, and investigators noted her cheekbones showed

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heavy bruising and swelling. She also had bruising on her

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wrists and fingers and complained that she could not breathe.

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Investigators noted that he had been drinking. Sources say that

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Parish is a road trooper in the troop A area.

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A social media post from twenty fifteen welcomed Parish as

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one of their newest members to join the ranks. Bond

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was set at twenty five thousand dollars stay. Police tell

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us that once he posts bond, he will be placed

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on administrative leave.

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What do you think about that.

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Jim, Well, I'm gonna prophes us with of course these

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charges are alleged, but if true, no one likes a

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dirty cop, especially one that beats on women. And it's

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fucking disgusting. And you lost your man card, in my opinion,

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that's what I think about it.

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Yeah, well he lost his man card when he was

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personally a jerk. To me, I dealt with this guy personally,

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and hey, I think that karma is a bitch.

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I'll leave it at that.

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I would. I would concur.

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I've come across some amazing officers, troopers, you know, and

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he is the epitome of what makes the bad name

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ye for troopers.

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Yeah, and I can tell you that good troopers and

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good state policemen they don't want that ship on their

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force either. No, they they don't want that either. You know.

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Good policemen can't stay in ship like this. So this

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is this is a him issue and not a police issue.

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This is just he happened to be a policeman. Well

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he is probably not anymore. Sorry you lose, He'll get

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He'll get what he deserves, that's for sure in this situation.

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Should those charges be proven as.

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Accurate, good luck, Derek.

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We're gonna move to Arkansas. Now. Look, let me say

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something before I cover this story, and I mentioned this

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at the top of this broadcast, but I have gotten

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so many requests over the last really month to cover

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this case on some sort of podcast, and when I

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dug into it, I see why. So let's get into

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this case. After an Arkansas Supreme Court ordered the courts

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to be made public, we now have a clear picture

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of what happened the knight Aaron Spencer killed Michael Fossler,

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lanok County man who had previously been arrested and charged

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with sexual offenses against Spencer's teenage daughter. The court records

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had been sealed pursuant to a broad gag order from

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the circuit Judge Barbara Elmore, but last month, the Arkansas

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Supreme Court struck down the gag order and criticized Elmore's actions.

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According to records obtained by the Arkansas Time, Spencer initially

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called nine to one one just after one am on

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October eighth of twenty twenty four to report his thirteen

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year old daughter missing. Spencer told police he had been

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awakened by his dog barking, went to his daughter's room

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to check on her and saw she was missing. He

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said he suspected she was with Fossler, who was sixty seven.

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Was sixty seven, who had been arrested in July and

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charged with forty three counts, including sexual assault of a

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miner and Internet stalking of a child, related to Fosslor's

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pursuit of Spencer's then thirteen year old daughter. The arrest

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affidavit for Spencer said he went to look for his

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daughter Anne Fossler, after calling nine to one one the

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first time, the Lonoke County Sheriff's Office contacted Cabot Police

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to ask them to check a specific address. Prior to

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hearing back from Cabot Police, however, nine one one Dispatch

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gets a second call from Spencer, who said he had

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located the man who kidnapped his daughter, and he had

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located his daughter, but that Fosslor was dead on the

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side of the road and that he quote had no choice.

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The affidavit contained Spencer's recounts of how the deadly interaction unfolded.

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Spencer saw Fosslor's white Ford F one fifty turn onto

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the highway towards Fossler's home. He turned around and chased

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Fosslor's vehicle, flashing his lights and honking his horn in

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an effort to get Fosslor to pull over. When the

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two vehicles arrived at an intersection, Spencer rammed his truck

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into the rear of Fosslor, sending the F one fifty

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into a ditch. Spencer then stated he exited the vehicle

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with his firearm in his hand, ordered Fosslor out of

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his vehicle and to lay down in the ditch. Spencer

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stated that he observed his daughter exiting the passenger's side

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of that vehicle, but it appeared that Fosslor had grabbed

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her and stopped her from getting out. Spencer then stated

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Fossler exited his vehicle and had something in his hand,

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but Spencer did not know what it was was. Spencer

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stated Fossler lunched towards him, saying fuck you. Spencer stated

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he then opened fire on Fossler, emptying his weapon before

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jumping on top of him and pistol whipping him. Spencer

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then stated he got his daughter out of the vehicle

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and returned to the truck, where he reloaded his weapon

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and called nine to one one. According to the police report,

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Spencer shot Fosster in the chest, arms, and abdomen with

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a glock nineteen. The report did not say how many

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times each body part was hit, though a standard magazine

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for the glock nineteen holds fifteen rounds. Regarding the pistol

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whipping of Fossler, the report noted there was blood on

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the outside of the weapon when police discovered it. Spencer

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bonded out of the low note kind of jail the

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following day. In the case quickly drew attention both inside

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Arkansas and beyond. On November twenty seventh, the prosecutor's charged

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Spencer with second degree murder in commission of felony with

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a firearm. That same day, Spencer's attorneys issued a statement

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calling Spencer a decorated warrior who protected his country and

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a loving father whose heroic actions protected his family. They

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said Falslor repeatedly violated his child and kidnapped her in

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the dark of the night to continue his assaults on her.

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The statement criticized prosecutors for bringing charges against Spencer at all,

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accused prosecutors of perpetrating these horrors instead of protecting legitimate

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victims and punishing true criminal offenders, and thank those who

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had voiced their outrage over the treatment of airing his

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child and the rest of his family the outrage they

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had suffered. The following week, prosecutors added Judge Elmore for

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an order preventing Spencer's attorneys and anyone else from saying

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anything about the case. Spencer's attorneys filed a nineteen page

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response to the prosecutor's motion. In less than thirty minutes later,

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Elmore granted the prosecutor's motion and entered into a gag order.

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She also sealed the entire case file, but despite the

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fact that neither side requested it. Spencer appealed that order,

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and in March, the Arkansas Supreme Court stayed the case

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pending their decision. On March twenty ninth, the High Court

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struck down the gag order and sent the case back

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to Lonoke County for further proceedings. A pre trial hearing

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is now scheduled for August eighth, and a five day

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trial is scheduled to begin September twenty second. I promise

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you I'll be following.

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That absolutely, And I may be mistaken, but I think

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that his wife may have reached out to me.

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When did this happen? What was the date or what

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does it say?

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It was? Back in twenty twenty four.

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Yeah, I think his wife may have reached out to

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me too back then, and I was kind of like, well,

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I wonder if there's more to this story.

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But I'll tell you this right now.

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Just looking at this article, and only looking at this article,

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that charges were brought on this man, I don't agree.

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I do not agree. I do not.

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Agree if he would have Okay, so let's break it down.

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So he calls police, and what does he do. He

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waits for police to show up to give a statement,

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and his daughter is moving by the minute further and

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further and further away from his home. He did what

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any father, any man worth his salt, would have done,

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in my opinion, He jumped in his vehicle. He found

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his baby, and he rammed the car to stop it,

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to disable it. Now, if this was law, and again

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I want everyone to know, I'm going just off the article.

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Obviously there's been no trial, so this is all I.

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Have to work with.

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But he got out of the vehicle, he drew down,

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and it sounds to me he didn't immediately open fire.

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He drew down, told him to get on the ground.

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And then perspective is everything. Perception is everything, And I

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don't care what the man had in his hand. If

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Dad thought that it was a gun and then he

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grabbed his daughter, why would someone on the ground who's

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obviously not been caught kidnapping a minor grab the child

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other than any other reason than to do harm.

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Well, he was in the car and the child went

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to get out, and he grabbed her. Stopp her right,

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But he wasn't on the ground at that point.

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But he had ordered him. I'm saying he had ordered him.

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Didn't he say get on the ground, get out.

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Of the truck. And he was still in the truck.

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So wherever he was either way, you don't grab it. Yeah,

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for any other reason.

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Yeah, so Dad said pop pop pop and pistol whip

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for good measure, just to make sure he didn't get

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back up.

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I disagree with this. I'm hoping that what's.

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Going to happen is just because of the way that

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the court system, the way that the wheels turn.

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Okay, I'm hoping that.

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They look at this and say, we're obviously we're gonna

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take some type of plea deal on something.

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If.

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I don't think that this should come to this, but

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if it did, maybe he can fight it and win

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or plee down to a you know, some type of

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on negligent something or another.

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And yeah, I look, my personal thought, I don't blame

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him for that. God bad for that guy either. He

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didn't need to be breathing oxygen any fucking way, in

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my opinion. And I have two daughters, and let me

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tell you I would have I would have done the

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same thing. And look, maybe the guy had something in

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his hand and lunch that I'd have just said, I

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shot the some bitch because he didn't deserve to be

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breathing oxygen.

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Yeah, well, and he stopped future victims. That dad stopped

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future victims. I don't agree with this unless we come

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up into court and we find something that says an

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email or text that says, hey, motherfucker, you know, come

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to my house and my blew your brain's out, and

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then he told him. You know, if that comes up, okay,

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that changes circumstance. But right now, this just looks like

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a dad who did what you're trained to do. He

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dialed nine to one one.

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Well, they're they're throwing the look a lot of people

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are upset because they're throwing the book at this guy.

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They're charging him with second degree murder. That's life in prison.

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So they're not even at least as of this point,

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offering this guy ideal. You know, common sense. I understand

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the law, and definitely this needs to play out, it

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needs to be in courtant I understand the law, but

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common sense has to weigh in at some point. And

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if there's a dad out there that can honestly say,

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if you could get your hands on a man, a

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sixty seven year old man, mind you, Yeah, that is

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molesting your daughter over and over again to the point

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that he kidnaps her, and you wouldn't do the same thing.

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We're not the same. No, we're not the same. I'm sorry.

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No, this is okay. And people will get hateful about this.

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I don't care.

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This is what I expect of a father, and I

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know that that's a strong statement. I expect a father

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to bust through fences, to climb mountains, to treadwater, to

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dig in to save his babies. That's who you want

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to be, your husband, That's who you want to be

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the father of your children, the one that there's no bounds,

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no limits to saving their babies.

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No doubt about it.

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This is a kid, This is a thirteen year old girl.

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And you know this guy is sixty seven years old.

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That's a grandfather. Yeah, it's And you think that you

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can and didn't say soliciting like they were on the

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computer or something that they were however they were.

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Yeah, well internet's talking. Internet job was one of the children.

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So he's clearly a sex offender. He's clearly a perpetrator

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upon our children. And when we weigh the two next

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to each other, we've got a sixty seven year old

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perpetrator of children versus it says a military man who

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fought for our country, who rammed a fucking truck and

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saved his daughter. They are not the same. Don't put

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him on the same playing field respectfully. All right, Well

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you want to go back to Louisiana, Sure again, let's

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do it, all right. And this is something too, This,

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this situation is one that I personally kind of have

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a passion about because it has to do with protective orders. Okay, So,

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a man suspected of killing his girlfriend early Sunday before

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turning the gun on himself had already been arrested twice

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for domestic violence. According to court records. He was also

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reportedly violating his order of protective custody during the days

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leading up to the incident. So around nine thirty am

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Sunday morning, deputies with the East bat Rooge Paris Schriff's

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Office were called to a residence near the intersection of

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Arlene Avenue and Watson Drive, and this is in Central

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which is near Ebr and Dinnim Springs where we are.

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They found Paul Varnado and his girlfriend, Elna Singleton, both

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fifty four years old, dead from gunshot wounds. Authorities say

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preliminary evidence suggests the case is a murder suicide. According

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to Varnado's arrest documents, EBR Sheriff's deputies had been called

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to the same address in June and found Singleton with

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a swollen and bleeding left elbow, as well as multiple

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bus uses to her rear, her torso, and her ankle.

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At the same time, Singleton told authorities Varnado thought that

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she had taken his keys, which Singleton claimed she had not.

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When Singleton tried to leave the trailer, she told investigators

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that Varnado, in a full fit of rage, had man

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handled her before shoving her down the stairs. Varnado told

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authorities his girlfriend had gotten bruised from being under the

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trailer earlier in the day. Emergency medical services were also

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called to the scene, according to the records.

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Now after the incident, an.

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Order of protective custody was filed against Varnado, prohibiting him

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from coming within one hundred yards of Singleton. But on Sunday,

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neighbors told investigators they had spotted Varnado staying with Singleton

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for at least a few days before the deadly incident,

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and this is according to Casey Rayburn Hicks, who was

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the spokesperson for the Eber Sheriff's office. Hicks added that

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it had been a neighbor that had called authorities to

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the scene Sunday after discovering one of them dead. Others

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later reported hearing shots fired the night before. Varnado was

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arrested in September of twenty twenty two for throwing his

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then wife of fifteen years to the ground. According to

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another arrest warrant at the time, his wife told authorities

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that she had been cleaning the house when Varnado became enraged.

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When her son told Varnado to not disrespect his mother,

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Varnado reportedly became more angry and began aggressively approaching her son.

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When his wife tried to step in between the two,

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varnado reportedly pushed her to the ground. In both cases,

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Varnadou was convicted of domestic abuse battery.

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So let me just.

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Say this, A protective order is a piece of paper

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meant to be reactive. It's only there so that we

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can do something to him should he violate it. They

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don't do anything.

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I agree. That was exactly what I was gonna say.

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So kJ stole on thunder, y'all, I was gonna say,

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A protective order is a no. No.

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I was the lightning, now you're the thunder.

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Now one hundred percent agree with you. It is. It's

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just a piece of paper. Look, it's if you are

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in that situation, you certainly need to get that because

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of nothing else. It's a paper trail of the abuse.

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But don't rely on that, because a batterer is not

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going to stay away just because the police tell them

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to stay away, or her for that matter. I mean,

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00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:23.880
there's guys that get abused domestically. It's certainly not as common,

467
00:26:24.400 --> 00:26:27.400
but it does happen, So a him or her. This

468
00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:33.680
situation just got worse and worse as Kelly just covered.

469
00:26:34.680 --> 00:26:39.559
There were history every time where this escalated, and that

470
00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.839
is the result at some point for a lot of people,

471
00:26:44.279 --> 00:26:45.680
it ends up murtyr.

472
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:48.160
If they will hit you, they will kill you.

473
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:52.119
If you look up any domestic violence website, any data,

474
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:55.720
any research on domestic violence. If a person will strike you,

475
00:26:56.799 --> 00:27:00.319
they will kill you at some point, if they're willing to. Jim,

476
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:03.559
I can't imagine hitting you. Now, obviously this wouldn't be domestic.

477
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:05.680
But I'm just saying I can't imagine hitting you. I

478
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:07.240
don't care how pissed off. Like Jim told me my

479
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:08.279
hair looked bad this morning.

480
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:08.759
I did not.

481
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:10.119
He did. He said, what are you gonna do with

482
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:10.400
that hair?

483
00:27:10.559 --> 00:27:12.000
That's what I said. I didn't say.

484
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:14.480
But no, I can't imagine hitting you.

485
00:27:14.920 --> 00:27:17.880
No matter how mad I've gotten at my spouse, I'm

486
00:27:17.920 --> 00:27:22.039
not going to hit him. So that's that's love. Love's patient,

487
00:27:22.079 --> 00:27:23.880
it's kind, you know, it's all of those things. And

488
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:27.079
so then people will come out and maybe I'll say this.

489
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:28.759
Maybe when I was younger, I'm like, well, why would

490
00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:30.480
she allow him back at the house. That's done when

491
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:32.880
I was younger. Now that I'm in my forties and

492
00:27:32.920 --> 00:27:35.599
the more I of I experienced, and I've understand, I understand,

493
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.960
and I've researched, and I've been in the criminal justice

494
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:41.759
system as a not as a perpetrator, but as someone

495
00:27:41.799 --> 00:27:45.640
who's been involved with victims. This is part of the

496
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.000
abuse cycle, right, the love bombing though, oh I'm sorry,

497
00:27:49.039 --> 00:27:50.920
I'll never do that again, and blah blah blah blah,

498
00:27:50.920 --> 00:27:52.200
and then you let the person back in.

499
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:54.400
And it's part of that cycle of domestic abuse.

500
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:58.680
And look, there's a lot of a lot of people

501
00:27:58.720 --> 00:28:03.640
play that control fact. And I'll say, sadly, I'm a man,

502
00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.599
but I'll say not sadly that I'm a man. Glad

503
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:10.880
I'm a man, but sadly men are known for doing this, okay.

504
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:15.880
And they will have a wife and that wife maybe

505
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:17.880
she's just got a part time job or she's stay

506
00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:20.039
at home mom, and you know, the husband works at

507
00:28:20.079 --> 00:28:22.200
a chemical plane or something like that, and he's making

508
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:24.119
plenty of money, but he likes to go home and

509
00:28:24.599 --> 00:28:26.480
knock his wife around a little bit after having too

510
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:31.200
much fireball. Whatever case may be. Well, the problem is

511
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:35.240
these ladies are in a situation where they have nowhere

512
00:28:35.279 --> 00:28:38.920
to go. They've got maybe three kids, their stay at

513
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.319
home mom or they work and just it's a part

514
00:28:41.319 --> 00:28:44.559
time gig, right, and they feel like, what am I

515
00:28:44.680 --> 00:28:48.599
gonna do? I'm stuck in this situation and it's horrible.

516
00:28:49.599 --> 00:28:52.160
You know. One thing that I preach to my daughter's

517
00:28:52.839 --> 00:28:56.720
constantly is never ever rely on a man for a living.

518
00:28:57.079 --> 00:29:00.319
Ever make your own money. Even if you're mad and

519
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.880
your husband is a top notch attorney at the biggest

520
00:29:03.920 --> 00:29:08.880
firm or a doctor a cardiologist, make sure that you

521
00:29:09.039 --> 00:29:11.839
make your own money, because there's a difference between being

522
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:14.559
in a relationship when you have to and being in

523
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:18.240
one when you want to. And it's usually bullshit like

524
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:23.720
this that occurs, and the females in that situation. I

525
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:26.640
don't know this lady's situation. I feel so horrible for

526
00:29:26.680 --> 00:29:30.880
her family. Maybe I don't know. Maybe she did have

527
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.000
a job that she was making a ton of money.

528
00:29:33.039 --> 00:29:36.240
She might have been killing it. But most situations like this,

529
00:29:36.720 --> 00:29:39.480
these people want to leave, they don't want to stay,

530
00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:41.960
and most times they're not even in love with these

531
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.519
guys anymore. They just don't know what they're gonna do.

532
00:29:44.559 --> 00:29:46.319
And I think that for them it hurts.

533
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:46.920
It's the cycle.

534
00:29:46.960 --> 00:29:49.000
I'm gonna bet that this was lower income because they

535
00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.920
said the trailer. And I don't mean anything negative by that.

536
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.759
I'm just saying I'm the totatality of the circumstance here.

537
00:29:55.039 --> 00:29:58.359
But your primal instinct as a mother, right is to

538
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:00.119
protect your children at all costs.

539
00:30:00.519 --> 00:30:01.519
And I think it.

540
00:30:02.279 --> 00:30:04.400
I don't want to say admirable, that's not the word,

541
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:07.079
but I understand it when a woman maybe is in

542
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:09.240
a bad position, but she wants her children to be

543
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:15.640
clothed and fed and housed. And so it's not ship

544
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:17.279
for your kids. But let me tell you what my

545
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.359
husband has preached, just like you. You're a good daddy.

546
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.240
I'm married to a fantastic husband. And when you said

547
00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:27.640
don't rely on them, And this isn't a man hater

548
00:30:27.720 --> 00:30:28.240
club either.

549
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:30.440
This is meet a man who's your match, right, and

550
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:31.279
that y'all are equals.

551
00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:33.680
So in the event though that it doesn't go right,

552
00:30:34.079 --> 00:30:37.480
and in the event that something happens, you always have

553
00:30:37.599 --> 00:30:40.400
out in our household and it's daddy and mama. So

554
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:43.680
that's something we want our girls to know to You're

555
00:30:43.720 --> 00:30:47.960
never stuck. You are never ever ever stuck. We're gonna

556
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:50.559
make good choices and hopefully you know lead by trouble

557
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.599
and Daddy'll save you if anyone else wont.

558
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.200
But some people may not have that, their parents may

559
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:01.960
have passed. You know, every situation is different. So at

560
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:04.119
the end of the day, rely on yourself would be

561
00:31:04.200 --> 00:31:08.599
my advice. Make sure that you are good. And let

562
00:31:08.680 --> 00:31:11.319
me tell you, as a man, I would much rather

563
00:31:11.359 --> 00:31:13.480
be married to a woman that I know, that I

564
00:31:13.759 --> 00:31:15.960
that I am aware does not have to have me

565
00:31:16.480 --> 00:31:19.759
to make a living, that she's actually with me because

566
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.319
she kind of digs me. She's not with me because

567
00:31:22.319 --> 00:31:24.720
I got a bunch of money, because you've got our

568
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:30.720
own money that that I dig. So anyway, horrible situation,

569
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.079
City prayers and there are options. Look, ladies, they do

570
00:31:35.119 --> 00:31:39.440
have better women's shelters and things like that that you

571
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:41.880
you can go to, and a lot of these are

572
00:31:41.880 --> 00:31:45.960
held in secret. There's ways to get the information, but

573
00:31:46.480 --> 00:31:48.720
a lot of them do not promote that, you know,

574
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.119
because they don't want men showing up. Where's my wife?

575
00:31:51.599 --> 00:31:54.000
So look into that. If you're in that situation, please

576
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.319
get out of it because this is the end result.

577
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:58.559
Yeah, our local shriff's office just for example, and if

578
00:31:58.559 --> 00:32:01.279
you if you're wondering, okay, are low Sheriff's office has

579
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.759
a wonderful set of women that and men obviously, but

580
00:32:04.839 --> 00:32:07.920
women that are part of their program to help the

581
00:32:07.920 --> 00:32:10.440
battered women. All you have to do, guys, is pick

582
00:32:10.519 --> 00:32:13.680
up the phone that sure dial your local law enforcement.

583
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.559
They will guide you, they will help you, they will

584
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.640
help your children. And there's people like me and Jim

585
00:32:19.680 --> 00:32:21.839
and other people in the community that all you have

586
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:24.119
to do is list your needs. You would be shocked

587
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:26.759
how much this community can come together and help people.

588
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:30.519
So you're not stuck. Chin up, make the phone call

589
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:31.519
and save yourself.

590
00:32:31.559 --> 00:32:32.039
You can do it.

591
00:32:32.359 --> 00:32:34.720
There, you got it, not alone. Let's go to Tennessee

592
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.480
and a man hunt for a suspect in the Tennessee

593
00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:42.559
killing of four people and the kidnapping of a baby

594
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:47.920
ended Tuesday when he was taken into custody. Austin Robert Drummond,

595
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.359
twenty eight, was taken into custody in Jackson, Tennessee, by

596
00:32:51.400 --> 00:32:55.200
the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation. This came after a week

597
00:32:55.279 --> 00:32:59.079
long main hunt. Now during a news conference Tuesday afternoon,

598
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:04.039
law enforcement officials said Drummond was captured after multiple community

599
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:07.400
residents spotted him and called nine to one. One quote,

600
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:13.759
this is the perfect, perfect example of police and community cooperation. Drummond,

601
00:33:13.759 --> 00:33:16.720
who had been considered armed and dangerous, is the prime

602
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:20.400
suspect in the July twenty ninth killing of thirty eight

603
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:25.000
year old Courtney Rose. Rose's children, twenty year old Adriana

604
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:30.640
Williams and fifteen year old Braden Williams, and Adriana Williams's boyfriend,

605
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:35.079
twenty one year old James Michael Wilson. The victims were

606
00:33:35.119 --> 00:33:37.839
found along the road in Lake County, which is in

607
00:33:37.960 --> 00:33:43.000
northwest Tennessee. The same day, Wilson and williams baby was

608
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.400
left in the car seat in a random individual's front

609
00:33:46.519 --> 00:33:51.119
yard in nearby Dyer County, Tennessee. Authority said Drummond knew

610
00:33:51.160 --> 00:33:53.680
the victims through his girlfriend, who was the daughter of

611
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:57.640
Rose and the sister of Adriana and Braden. A motive

612
00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.920
for the killing remains under investigation. During a news conference Tuesday,

613
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:06.519
law enforcement officials said that Drummond was captured after multiple

614
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.360
community residents spotted him in Jackson around eight am and

615
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.840
called nine one one. Shout out to those people for

616
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.480
paying attention. Quote. This is a perfect example of police

617
00:34:16.480 --> 00:34:20.960
and community cooperation. Jackson Police Chief Tom Corley said residents

618
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:24.079
spotted Drumming around at eight a m. Tuesday, Mary vacant

619
00:34:24.159 --> 00:34:28.239
building investigators believed the suspect had been hiding in. He said.

620
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:31.199
Officers rushed to the area as more nine to one

621
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.000
one calls came in, including one at eight fifty seven

622
00:34:34.039 --> 00:34:38.960
am that helped officers pinpoint Drumming's location in the woods

623
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:42.440
near a vacant building. They took him into custody at

624
00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:48.320
nine five am, and Drummond is facing four counts of

625
00:34:48.400 --> 00:34:51.840
first degree murder, one count of aggravated kidnapping, a slew

626
00:34:51.880 --> 00:34:55.360
of other chargers, and during the search for Drumming, police

627
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:59.599
also arrested four people accused of being accessories after the

628
00:34:59.679 --> 00:35:01.320
fact to the homicide.

629
00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:05.559
Well, there's just I'll just there's widespread suffering here and

630
00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:07.400
I think you can tell a whole lot of people

631
00:35:07.440 --> 00:35:09.960
are going to be affected by this, even schools because

632
00:35:09.960 --> 00:35:12.840
of the age of the young one and the loss

633
00:35:12.880 --> 00:35:15.840
of their friend, you know, and so prayers, thoughts and

634
00:35:15.880 --> 00:35:17.199
if you know something, say something.

635
00:35:17.239 --> 00:35:18.320
If you think that someone is.

636
00:35:19.840 --> 00:35:22.199
Capable of this, obviously you speak up, you know, and

637
00:35:22.480 --> 00:35:23.400
get away, don't.

638
00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.639
Yeah, great job shout out to the community for excellent

639
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:28.280
who essentially caught this guy.

640
00:35:28.400 --> 00:35:30.360
Yeah, excellent. All right.

641
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.639
Now here's another one that's uh, this one's this one's

642
00:35:33.679 --> 00:35:35.199
kind of wild. All right, we're gonna go to Maryland.

643
00:35:35.280 --> 00:35:38.800
So a Maryland mother whose two kids vanished more than

644
00:35:38.800 --> 00:35:42.480
a decade ago has now been indicted on murder charges

645
00:35:42.519 --> 00:35:46.639
for a second time. Catherine Hoggle, thirty eight, of Clarksburg,

646
00:35:46.760 --> 00:35:49.519
was indicted by a grand jury on two counts of

647
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:52.400
first degree murder in connection with the presumed deaths of

648
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:56.079
Sarah and Jacob Hoggle. Authorities have said Hoggle was the

649
00:35:56.159 --> 00:35:58.679
last known person to see three year old Sarah and

650
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.039
two year old Jacob alive when they disappeared in September

651
00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.239
of twenty fourteen. They have never been found. At that time,

652
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:08.119
Hoggle explained to her boyfriend, and he was also the

653
00:36:08.119 --> 00:36:10.480
father of her children, that she had placed their daughter

654
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.320
and son in a new childcare center, but Hoggle refused

655
00:36:13.320 --> 00:36:16.119
to divulge their whereabouts when Troy Turner planned to pick

656
00:36:16.199 --> 00:36:19.480
up the children. He has since spearheaded countless searches and

657
00:36:19.519 --> 00:36:23.280
even launched a Facebook page which was fine Sarah Fine Jacob. Hogle,

658
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.199
who has struggled with mental illness, was initially charged with murder,

659
00:36:26.360 --> 00:36:28.719
but those charges were dropped after a court founder to

660
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.239
be not competent to stand trial. She has spent the

661
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.920
past several years in a psychiatric facility, but she was

662
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.800
released from the hospital last month. She has not commented

663
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:40.079
on the children's whereabouts to authorities, so the Montgomery County

664
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.280
State Attorney's Office said Hoggle was arrested Friday, August first,

665
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:46.360
after investigators learned that she had been discharged from the facility.

666
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.679
And she is scheduled to have a bond review hearing

667
00:36:49.039 --> 00:36:53.320
on Monday. And that is giving me total vibes of

668
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.119
who is it that drowned all of her children? Andrea Yates. No,

669
00:36:57.599 --> 00:36:59.880
that has given me total Andrea Yates vibes.

670
00:37:01.559 --> 00:37:06.159
Yeah, except for at least they've found Andrew Yate's families.

671
00:37:06.400 --> 00:37:09.440
And I'll say this, I don't understand this at all.

672
00:37:09.960 --> 00:37:15.039
I mean, if you're deemed mentally too mentally unstable to

673
00:37:15.159 --> 00:37:19.880
stand trial, then how the fuck are you stable enough

674
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:24.119
to get out of hospitals mental hospitals and just be free?

675
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.639
How is that possible? I don't understand that she's been

676
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:33.760
now charged. Thankfully, she's going to be charged with murder

677
00:37:34.079 --> 00:37:36.800
of these kids, and it'll come out as to whether

678
00:37:36.920 --> 00:37:41.199
they did that. But obviously this is the suspicion. They

679
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:44.119
wanted to try her for it already, and she was

680
00:37:44.159 --> 00:37:48.079
too crazy, according to authorities, to even be tried. So

681
00:37:48.119 --> 00:37:51.400
she goes to a mental hospital, and now she's getting

682
00:37:51.440 --> 00:37:56.039
released and walking amongst society. Nobody even knows where these

683
00:37:56.159 --> 00:37:58.760
poor babies are three and two years old.

684
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:00.239
Yet three and two can't.

685
00:38:00.039 --> 00:38:02.400
I mean, honestly, they're not alive anymore, right.

686
00:38:02.239 --> 00:38:04.760
Three and two can't just disappear. I mean, they're they're

687
00:38:04.800 --> 00:38:08.519
they're they're at risk ages. The only thing I could think,

688
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:11.159
because I was trying to process this, is maybe they

689
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.679
charged her, but because of how bad they didn't have

690
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:15.719
a body, or two they didn't have bodies, they didn't

691
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.159
have much. Maybe they dropped it and were to build

692
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.599
a stronger case. And that's why once she was released,

693
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:22.800
then they went and rearrested her.

694
00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:25.920
So what it says. It says those charges were dropped

695
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:28.760
after a court found her to not be competent to

696
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:29.599
stay in trial.

697
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:33.719
Yeah, but then she was his psychiatric hospital.

698
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:35.639
Now she's out, but I.

699
00:38:35.719 --> 00:38:37.760
Want well, But then they went and rearrested her.

700
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:43.280
So yes, but my point is she wasn't competent the

701
00:38:43.320 --> 00:38:46.079
first time, so they put her in a hospital. How

702
00:38:46.119 --> 00:38:50.800
do you get out? I mean, I don't know. No,

703
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:52.239
I'm with you, don't understand.

704
00:38:52.280 --> 00:38:53.199
I'm with you one hundred percent.

705
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:54.920
I think this is one of those breakdowns in the

706
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:59.960
system that that this kind of stuff happens, because obviously

707
00:39:00.119 --> 00:39:02.519
the children are nowhere, could be found. There's not a

708
00:39:02.599 --> 00:39:06.440
reason that you're suspect number one, who's already been thought

709
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:09.719
so strongly of being responsible for this, has already been charged,

710
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:15.599
but then dropping the charges because you're incompetent to stay

711
00:39:15.599 --> 00:39:20.800
in trial. I mean, obviously I'm no attorney, but you

712
00:39:20.800 --> 00:39:22.480
could still be committed.

713
00:39:22.320 --> 00:39:24.320
Right, and she was for a few years.

714
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:26.679
Yeah, so shouldn't there be a reevaluation.

715
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:29.760
It seems like it seems like that's my point. Yeah,

716
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:33.679
eleven years this is eleven years ago this occurred, and

717
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.679
important nobody. Yeah, it's just god that.

718
00:39:36.719 --> 00:39:39.599
Poor dad, and then to not know where your babies

719
00:39:39.679 --> 00:39:40.239
are resting.

720
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.440
We'll see. I mean, I don't know how you can

721
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:46.960
find her competent the second time and not the first time.

722
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:48.719
Let me tell you this too. I worked in prison.

723
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:49.280
We all know that.

724
00:39:49.360 --> 00:39:52.599
And they have units where the criminally insane are housed.

725
00:39:52.800 --> 00:39:55.199
In these prisons, okay, And that was one of the

726
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.440
biggest things. And I think people would agree if you

727
00:39:57.519 --> 00:40:00.800
ever experienced it when you go to prison. Prison is

728
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.159
not a place for crazy, Okay. Prison is a place

729
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:06.880
for evil. If I have to just kind of break

730
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.400
it down, Okay, you do wrong, you do I guess

731
00:40:10.480 --> 00:40:12.400
evil strong. But some people are evil. But some people

732
00:40:12.480 --> 00:40:15.599
just you know, they do horrible things too. But when

733
00:40:15.639 --> 00:40:21.440
you are crazy, when you're crazy, punitiveness doesn't work.

734
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:24.719
You cannot You can't fix that with punitiveness.

735
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:27.440
You know, locking someone up for ten years won't fix

736
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.039
the fact that you were completely fucked in the head.

737
00:40:30.639 --> 00:40:34.239
So what happens, though, is our system is not designed

738
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:37.079
to differentiate between the two. You do a criminal act

739
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:40.719
like your children go missing, which obviously we would agree

740
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:42.960
she did something to these children, and then we ship

741
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:44.719
them off to prison, and then prison is not a

742
00:40:44.719 --> 00:40:47.920
facility that's gonna make that any better or fix it.

743
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.760
So the psychiatric hospital would have been the best place

744
00:40:50.800 --> 00:40:54.679
for her, to be sure, for a multitude of reasons.

745
00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.239
Right now, I get it, all right, Let's move on.

746
00:40:57.480 --> 00:41:01.480
Let's go to air Zon and we're going to talk

747
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.639
about Kelly's favorite app which is TikTok Oh.

748
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.039
I love me some talk. My mama says the Chinese

749
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:09.079
They're gonna get all your information.

750
00:41:09.119 --> 00:41:13.360
I'm like, well they follows absolutely No TikTok rules, y'all none.

751
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:16.000
And she says, I wonder why how come only two

752
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:18.800
hundred people have watched this clip or something. And I'm like, well,

753
00:41:18.880 --> 00:41:19.960
you cussed in at nine.

754
00:41:20.199 --> 00:41:24.360
I'm not saying schmurder. That is the dust, tiptop, tiptop

755
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:26.599
whatever it's got start. No, that's the app I'm gonna

756
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:30.639
start tiptop top where you can, won't.

757
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