Jan. 6, 2026

Deadly Deception: Jennifer Pan’s Plot Against Her Parents

Deadly Deception: Jennifer Pan’s Plot Against Her Parents
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Season 9

In this episode of Unspeakable], KJ dives into the chilling true crime story of Jennifer Pan, a seemingly perfect daughter whose life of deception spiraled into a deadly conspiracy. Raised under the intense pressure of her immigrant parents’ high expectations, Jennifer’s web of lies about her education, relationships, and future unraveled in a shocking act of violence in 2010. 

Chapters
04:36 The Pan Family
11:51 Jennifer's Eyewitness Account
24:23 A Community in Shock
26:39 The Ex-Boyfriend Connection
29:41 Unraveling the Past
41:09 The Lies Begin to Surface
58:37 The Detective's Intuition
1:01:59 A Dark Confession
1:09:07 The Night of the Attack
1:15:59 Trials and Tribulations

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey you all,

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caj here back with another pisode of Unspeakable. How is

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your Christmas? How did everything go? I hope you had

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the time of your life and that you got everything

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that you wanted and you dreamed of and that you imagined.

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I've been writing my arse off for y'all. I also

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got the flu, which was not a lot of fun.

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But this is actually my third recording of the day

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that I'm doing right now, so I'm trying to catch

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up and get back into the swing of things, so

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I don't have any shout outs today. Please don't think

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that I have forgotten you. I'm going to catch up

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on those next episode. I'm gonna be rolling them out,

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but I just wanted to jump into this episode so

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that it's not late and you get it on time.

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So this episode, we're going to go to Canada, and

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I don't think I've even gone to Canada yet at all.

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Maybe I have, but how are my people in Canada doing?

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I'm waving to you on the camera right now. But

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we're going to go to Markham, Ontario, to be exact,

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And this is approximately nineteen miles northeast of downtown Toronto,

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if you're trying to get your grasp of things here

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and where this is taking place. And this place is

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kind of neat too, because it's like a really interesting

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place culturally as far as the people that make up

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the area, it's very very diverse. Normally, whenever you think

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of places, you know, they kind of like hone in

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into groups of what types of people are aware, but

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this one was just very diverse from different backgrounds, a

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lot of immigrants, and it's a very quiet area of town,

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very nice. These large brick homes and the specific neighborhood

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that I'm talking about, well manicured lawns and just a

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very low crime area. It's a good place to live.

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So this was the home of a very small Vietnamese

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family known as the Pans. It was mom and dad,

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brother and sister that made up this crew. Now, Mom

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and Dad were originally from Vietnam. It wasn't like they

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were born here and they just have Vietnamese heritage. No,

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they were born there and they moved here. I believe

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they were first generation and so they were chasing that

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proverbial American dream. But they were still very firmly rooted

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in their homeland culture and their way of living. So

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Mom's name was Bick and she was a supervisor at

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a car park factory, while Dad his name was Hann.

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He worked as a machinist. Now, I do want to

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tell you this, they do have more difficult full names.

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I've shortened them for storytelling purposes because I don't want

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to mispronounce it every single time. But they do have longer,

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more traditional Vietnamese names. But as far as being in

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the US, it's biic and hand. Now, very very very

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hard working couple. They worked five days a week. They

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were relaxing on the weekend, but they did not miss work. Obviously,

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because Bick was a supervisor, you can tell that she

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was invested in her job while dad was working as

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that machinist. So Bick loved to cook. She liked to

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entertain and have her friends over. And one of her

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things that she liked to do a lot was also

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line dancing, which was interesting to me because it's like, Wow,

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you come from Vietnam and then you come to America

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and now you're a line dancing queen, which I think

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is just really really fun. And then Dad, from what

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I understand, was more of a homebody, and he was

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a chill dude, relaxed. But they were a quiet family.

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The neighbors they said, they didn't stir up much interest.

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They weren't wild and loud or anything of that nature.

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And they were the type of people that believed in

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saving money and investing in your future. Now, don't get

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me wrong, the home was really really nice, but it

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wasn't like luxurious or anything like that. Something really neat

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about it though, And for all the adults out there,

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you'll love this. It was paid off. They had paid

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off their home. It was a done deal. It was

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their house. Now, both parents did drive nice vehicles, which

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is really cool, but hey, I mean, hell, you paid

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off your house. Might as well take on a car

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note and have a nice car. But you know, they

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weren't the type of people that were flashing money. And

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I'm not really sure that they had money to flash,

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but they just did really well in their investing and

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how they live their lives. Now, if you've got any

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experience with Vietnamese families like I do have taught many

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a Vietnamese child in my teaching career, they have a

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very very academically driven mentality. They are strict parents, and

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they want successful academics in terms of their children, and

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they believe wholeheartedly that you have got to do well

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in your schooling. That way you can grow up and

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you can be somebody, and you can take care of yourself,

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and you can chase all those dreams that you want

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for yourself as well. Now they're kids. They had a

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son named Felix, and then they had a daughter named Jennifer.

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And these expectations that I'm telling you about, I'm telling

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you seem to be very common amongst the Vietnamese culture,

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and these high expectations are normal. They love their children

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and they push them to do really well. Now, the

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kids went to school specifically, I guess I'll talk about

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it high school here, but these schools were ones where

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the kids were pretty much expected to excel. Jennifer specifically

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was amongst the top peers in her class. Her parents

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were very proud of her accomplishments. She graduated high school,

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and then she went on to graduate college and she

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studied pharmacy, pharmaceuticals, and so she was now a pharmacist,

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and she was trying to find a good job where

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she could get in, get settled, and just go on

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with her life and make a good living. So basically,

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what I'm telling you is life was good. They were

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in that sweet spot. The kids are old enough to

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be in college, they've paid off their house, and they

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can just go to work and they can go to

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line dancing in the evenings. Well, everything seemed really well

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until police in Toronto got a frantic call to nine

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one one. This was in November of twenty ten, and

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this was late. It was about ten thirty in the evening.

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Are you people, where are you? What? Avenue? Avenue? Roade

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ye hen frame for you? Hello, Hello, I need to

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hear your eyes an he roke my dad just when

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I say scream, ma'am. Street address breathe broken, and I

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don't know what's happening. I'm kind of there. So that

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frantic voice that you're hearing is their daughter, Jennifer, and

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you can hear the absolute terror in her voice. Whenever

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the dispatcher is trying to get control of her, She's

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just word vomiting out information, in which that's common people

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feel like they just need to spout stuff out, not

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realizing that you need to answer the questions that the

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dispatcher has so that they can classify and prioritize your

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call correctly. But Jennifer is just word vomiting everything out

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that she can. And while some of that information in

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that call you could kind of hear the beeps it

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was redacted. There was one thing that you heard that

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you cannot shake and it was the sound of her

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father yelling. That was a guttural yell in the background,

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and you can tell that he is in a bind.

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He is having a huge problem. So when the police arrived,

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they rushed to the scene, they bust up in the

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house and when they get in there, they realize that

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they have just entered a home where a double shooting

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slash home invasion had just taken place. Now let's talk

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about a home invasion. Home invasion is different than burglary

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or robbery. Okay, burglary, someone breaks into your house you're

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not necessarily home, and they take your things for monetary gain.

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Whatever robbery, someone comes up to you, you know, give

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me all of your money, or they steal from you.

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But a home invasion is its own entity. It's a

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thing of its own. It's where people come into your

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home and they threaten violence upon you, They commit violence

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upon you or the potential to, and they scare the

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living shit out of you. That is what a home

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invasion is all about. They come in with the intent

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of terrorizing you and in this case, to take from you.

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So as the police get there, they are really quite

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taken aback by the level of violence that has taken

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place in this home. Father hand, he has got massive

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injuries to his head. They were so bad that they

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had to AIRMD him out of there. So they call

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the chopper in and they transport him to the hospital.

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When they got him to the hospital and they were

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able to assess him, they realized that he had a

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gunshot wound to his eye, basically to his face. It

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had gone on through his skull and the angle of

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it was kind of like downward, so it went into

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his jaw and then it ended up the bullet rusted

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in his neck, so there was severe trauma to his

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face and to his skull. They ended up having to

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they stabilized him, but they had to put him into

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a medically induced coma at this point so that hopefully

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his body could rest and that he could survive this

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traumatic injury of a gunshot wing to the head, to

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the face. Really Now, unfortunately mom, Mom was dead when

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they got there, she was gone. And the daughter, Jennifer,

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she was still on scene, frantic, screaming beside herself, everything

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that you would imagine you would probably do knowing that

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your parents had just been murdered or tried to be

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murdered right there in front of you, you know, and

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the fear that this young girl was feeling was just

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palpable amongst everyone that responded. Now, Jennifer to kind of

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give you a picture about her, very very long black

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hair down almost to probably your belly button, glasses, very young,

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unassuming girl, a pretty girl, and very timid, a very

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meek type of girl. So this trauma was something huge

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in her life. It wasn't something she could just basically

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take on the chin. So as they secure the scene,

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they now realize it's a crime scene. They come in,

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they take their photographs, and they do everything they've got

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to do. Jennifer was not injured, thank god. But Jennifer

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had been restrained with like zip ties. I think there

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was like black zip tie type things behind her back,

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and so she was able to get free. And so

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the police took Jennifer down to the station and they said, look,

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you are our only eyewitness, and we need you to

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tell us what you can. Jennifer was understandably just almost

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in shock. It was like she didn't she just stared

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at them wide eyed and bushy tailed, because it was

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like shock is the only way I can describe it.

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But she explained that that evening was normal, that she

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was at home. Her mother had cooked some supper, so

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they sat down and they ate together. Then Jennifer said,

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she went upstairs in her room and she got on

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the phone. She talked with her friend for a while.

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Her mom had left that night to go do that

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line dancing that she liked to do, and I believe

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mom would go every Monday. It was like her thing

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she would go do her a little bit of line dancing,

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and then mom had gotten home around nine thirty that night,

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so the shooting occurred about an hour after Mom got home. Now,

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she said she was in a room, everything was normal

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when she heard her mother yell out for her dad

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and for her dad to come I guess downstairs. So

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the all that came out though from her mother was

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not a normal like mom yelling for dad to come here.

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There was something about it that just didn't sound right

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to her. So she opened her door and she kind

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of stuck her head out to see, you know, what's

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going on? What is mom yelling about? And when she

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stuck her head out of the door, that was whenever

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a man appeared. He kind of like rushed her. He

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grabbed her and he told her I have a gun.

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You better comply or I'm gonna blow your brains out, basically,

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so she did exactly what she was told to do

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because she didn't want to get hurt. And he then

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took her and he tied her hands behind her back,

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and he kept saying, you do what I say, and

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no one is gonna get hurt. So police ask her,

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can you describe this man to us, and she was

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able to give a pretty decent description. She said he

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was a black man. She said he had dreadlocks. She

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said that there was actually three guys total. There was

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the black guy with the dreadlocks. There was another man.

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He was darker than the dreadloine guy in skin tone,

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but he was thinner, and she said he was wearing

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a hoodie. And then all she really knew about the

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third guy was that she heard him speak and he

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had what she described as a Jamaican accent. So there

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were three men in total. They drug her to the stairs,

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and that's whenever they started demanding money. So they're screaming,

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give us all your money, give us all your money. Specifically,

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at some point in the details, I'm giving you, y'all.

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I watched the interrogation and I'm giving this to you

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kind of off the top of my head here, but

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basically they were saying, give me all your money, and

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the mother was saying, my purse, my purse, give me

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my purse to give them the money. So mom kept

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trying to get up to go get the purse, but

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the men started yelling at her and kind of told

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her to sit back down. But the issue here and

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this is pitiful and this hurts my heart. But Mom's

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English wasn't very good, so Bick's broken English. There was

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a bit of a barrier there, and I'm not sure

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that she was understanding that they we're going to grab

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the money, tell us where it is. They were saying,

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give us all the money, and she was just trying

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to do what they were saying and was trying to

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go get her purse. So Jen, at that point I

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call her Jen, Jennifer or whatever, she told her mom

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mom to sit down, don't keep getting up, and she

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said her mom just kept saying, my purse, my purse,

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Just grab my purse. You can have anything in my purse.

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And she said at that point things started getting kind

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of hectic. Her mother got pushed down like under a

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chair in some aspect, and so she kind of starts

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falling apart. At that point, you have to understand this.

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I mean, this has been horrifically traumatic. And the detectives

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are just so caring, they are so kind, and they're like, listen,

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take your time, take your time. You've been through a lot.

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What you have to say is important and we don't

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want to miss anything. So take your time and just

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tell us what you could almost if you could do this,

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not as an emotional response, but almost like as a

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clinical response, just walk us through it. So Jennifer kind

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of gets a hold of herself and then says, okay,

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they took me back upstairs. They tied me to the banister,

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and she said, I could still move a little bit,

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like my hands, but I was too scared because the

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guy had a gun. I believed he had a gun.

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Obviously he did, because they then took my parents and

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they separated us, and she said, my mom was screaming,

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please please bring me my daughter. Let my daughter stay

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with me, please, please please, but they completely ignored her.

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And the last thing that Jennifer was able to make

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out was one of the men yelling at her parents,

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you lied to us, You lied to us. So after

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she heard that part, that's whenever she heard multiple pops,

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And then she had her cell phone on her She

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was able to maneuver that cell phone out of her

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back pocket because her hands were behind her back, and

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she was able to dial nine to one one. Now

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that said, I'm going to stop for a second and

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let's talk about the crime scene. So the home I

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would say, was pretty orderly. It was lived in like

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all of us do. And there was like this tann

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couch in the living room. It was a leather kind

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of tan couch. Blood stains and swipes were all over

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this couch. I mean, you can tell that a lot

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of blood was lost in that area. There also seemed

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to be what were like sheets or blankets, maybe clothing

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or something just kind of on the floor that was

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spattered with blood. Blood puddled on all of that. So

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she said that she heard those pops. When she heard

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the pops, either right before or right after, she wasn't sure,

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but she heard her mother scream and then again, you know,

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Jenn's hands kind of fall back in her hands, and

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she is just sobbing, and your heart cannot help but

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go out for this young girl. You're reliving something had

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just happened, you know, and you're reliving this, and then

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you're having to say the words that are just so

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hard to say. She said that her mom started moaning

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and then she heard more pops of the gun going off,

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and then that's whenever she heard one of the guys.

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She doesn't know which one. Screen We've got to go.

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We gotta go we've been in here too long. Let's go,

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Let's go. And that's when they all jetted out of

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the house. Now more questioning was done because they're really

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trying to build a firm understanding of things and they

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only have a one hour time frame from the time

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that mom got home and then this shooting occurred. Jen

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was asked, how did they get in the house? She said,

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I have no clue. She was upstairs, she couldn't have

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known how they came into the house. And then she

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did not have any clue why they would be targeted.

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So there was not a lot of money in the

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house they as far as Jennifer knew, and again she

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wasn't all up in their finances, but as far as

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she knew, they only kept enough money in the bank

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really to pay bills. They didn't just stack up money

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that someone might would have known about. The police even

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went into maybe gambling day. Did they gamble? No? Did

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your parents do drugs? Did they sell drugs? Absolutely not.

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None of that was found to be the case. Now,

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going further through the home, during the investigation, the home

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was ransacked and they're the photos. I'll put these photos

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online for you too, the ones that I have, but

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the home is ransacked. Drawers are pulled out, shit just

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strown everywhere, exactly what you would imagine it to be. Now.

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Down by that couch though, so these people were looking

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for something. But down by the couch where the blood

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and all of that began, there was a pink bucket,

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like a washing bucket or mopping bucket, kind of with

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a handle, a nice little bucket, and it was full

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of water. And so there was kind of a question

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about what is that bucket for? And it turns out

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that after Bick would line dance, she liked to come

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home and she would soak her feet because her feet

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would become sore from all the dancing, and so she

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liked to soak her feet in her bucket before she

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would retire for the evening and go to bed. Okay,

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so now the bucket makes sense, that's there. But while

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they're kind of going through the house and they're seeing

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that the house is ransacked, they're starting to really focus

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on you know, ransacking sounds like it's just chaos, but

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it's really not. If you go and you look at

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a ransacked house, there's purpose behind it. Certain drawers are

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pulled out and usually you're looking for valuables. So, without

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me even saying anything, imagine you go into a house

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you've never been into before, You've never been in this

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house in your life, and you're going to try to

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steal valuables. Where are you going to look? Because I'm

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gonna take exactly where I'm going to look. I'm going

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to the master bedroom. I'm going in the closet. I'm

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looking for a safe, I'm checking the drawers, and I'm

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looking for jewelry boxes. I'm not going in kids rooms

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and ransacking a kid's room. It doesn't make sense. If

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I'm in the kitchen, I'm not going to open every

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single drawer in a kitchen if I needed to grab

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a weapon. I know this makes me sound kind of dark,

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but I'm just it is what it is. But if

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I'm in the kitchen, the only reason I'm ransacking there

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is that I'm looking for something specific I think is

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in there, or I'm grabbing a weapon. I'm grabbing a

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knife so I can scare these people or whatever. So

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ransacking may seem willy nilly, but it's really not. Because

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people are searching for valuables. Well, in searching the home,

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police start noticing that there was a lot of stuff

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still there that if this was a robbery or a

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home invasion with the intent to rob why didn't they

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take this shit? For example, all of the jewelry was there,

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diamond earrings, expensive watches. There was a camera there that

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was a very expensive camera. The wallets were left the

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wallet like, I mean, that's burglary or robbery. One I

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wont take the damn wallet. That's where people keep their money.

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So the more they looked around, sure the house was ransacked,

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but robbery did not seem to be the ultimate goal here.

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Now I'm not saying that nothing was taken, has money taken.

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There were things taken, but just not a lot of

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it was taken, and you would just expect more. Could

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have been their first home invasion, You don't know, maybe

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they panicked, they were screaming, we got to go. We've

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been in here too long. But something else that was

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painfully obvious is that the pans luxury cars were both

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still there, Alexis and a Mercedes, and the keys to

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the vehicles were readily available right there on the counter.

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I mean, anybody worth their salt would want to take

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at least one of these expensive cars. You can make

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distance quicker and then you maybe chop shop it or

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whatever and you could sell it off. So that also

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was pretty weird. So they're assessing all of this. They

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continue to interview Jennifer, who gives as much information as

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humanly possible under the circumstances, and she doesn't even finish

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her interview with police until four point thirty am like

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that following morning. Now, something that's really nice. This has

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not always been the case. This is something that came

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about in more recent history. Yeah, I guess you would

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say is that we now have victims advocates and these

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are wonderful people, amazing people. If you're a young adult

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listening to this, and I have young adults message me

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all the time, Man, what would be a good job

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to go into. I don't want to be a cop,

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but I want to be involved in the field. Guys.

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Victims' advocates are wonderful things, social workers. These are people

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that are on the right side of things, trying to

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help these people through the worst time of their lives. Well,

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an advocate was called in I'm drawing a blank on

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her name at this exact moment, but this beautiful she's

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like a Caribbean kind of lady. She has that essence

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about her. But she comes in and she's there really

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to just help this young girl, Jennifer work through this.

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I mean, she's young, she's nineteen, and her mother's dead,

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her father's clinging to life barely in the hospital, and

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she's just been through this traumatic event. But it's kind

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of like, what do you say? So she's rather quiet,

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but she does help Jennifer through the process with her

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hugs and calming her and you know, let's go to

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the bathroom together. Let's things that you would think girlfriends

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would do for one another during a tragedy. So I

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just want you to understand how pitiful it is that

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this girl is really just kind of on her own

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right now. So the running theme that police are able

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to come up with at this point is we have

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a home invasion and we have three distinctive gunmen that

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we are looking for. Following morning news media breaks, they

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cover it. This is constantly covered in the news. By

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the end of that first day, everybody knew about this attack.

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So that morning though of the next day, it's about

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eight o'clock in the morning, they have their briefing. The

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detectives are all together. We got to go work this case.

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What do we want to do to make sure that

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we do this best? We got the first forty eight.

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We all know that's the most important, right. So the

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thing here is that society, the people that lived in

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that neighborhood, they were just completely and utterly unnerved think

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that someone can just bust up in your home and

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destroy your life and just murder their neighbors. And these

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weren't people that you would ever think that this would

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happen to. And so mostly too, they want to solve

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this for Jennifer. This girl is basically an orphan at

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this point. So they set out and they do a

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large scale canvas of the area. I'm talking big. They

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spoke to anyone and everyone that may have anything to say, eyewitnesses,

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what did you hear? What did you see? Was there

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anything out of the ordinary, anything that may come to mind.

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They set up a crime stopper's line and said, if

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you have anything, call in your tips. We are on this.

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We're gonna solve it. Fear not, We're gonna take care

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of it. Friends. In the meantime, we're very loving and

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took the kids under their wing. And you know poor

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Felix too. You know his parents are one dead. He

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lost both of his parents here as well, and one

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is in a coma. Now, Felix was not there if

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you're curious, because he was away at college and he

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was studying, so he wasn't even in the home when

466
00:26:02.920 --> 00:26:06.119
this went down, thank god. But the friends even that

467
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:12.839
were interviewed, were absolutely mind blown. They described their friends

468
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:19.079
as generous. That was the first word. Generous, loving kind,

469
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:23.319
They would cook and and have friends over. They were humble,

470
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.920
down to earth. Have you ever thought about how your

471
00:26:25.960 --> 00:26:28.680
friends would describe you if something ever happened to you,

472
00:26:28.759 --> 00:26:31.079
because I have a feeling mine would go. She was

473
00:26:31.119 --> 00:26:32.920
a hot ass mess and she must have ran her

474
00:26:32.960 --> 00:26:36.599
mouth and that's why somebody got her. But to think

475
00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.079
generous is the first word is very telling of these people.

476
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:45.160
So about six hours into this huge canvas, they're not

477
00:26:45.279 --> 00:26:49.599
really finding much until one person brings up the fact

478
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:54.559
that Jennifer had an ex boyfriend that the parents were

479
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:57.200
not very fond of. Now he's an ex boyfriend, He

480
00:26:57.240 --> 00:26:59.799
was not a current boyfriend. His name was Danny Wong,

481
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:05.440
and he was a known drug dealer and had dated

482
00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:08.880
Jennifer whenever they were in high schools. But this happened

483
00:27:08.920 --> 00:27:12.960
obviously after high school. Now when I first say drug dealer,

484
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:17.839
my mind jumps to heroin, cocaine, you know, fentanyl, stuff

485
00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:21.000
like that. But I want to let you know that

486
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:24.480
not that marijuana isn't a problem in our society. It

487
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:28.519
does cause problems. But Danny was more of a known

488
00:27:29.079 --> 00:27:32.880
weed dealer than he was like some high crime like

489
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.680
thugging it and loving it type, you know, hood rat.

490
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:39.319
So all eyes at this point, though, as you can imagine,

491
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:42.039
detectives are like, we need to have a word with Danny.

492
00:27:42.359 --> 00:27:46.640
So Danny gets pulled in and his name is Daniel,

493
00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:49.720
I'll call him Danny, and they're like, we need to

494
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:51.880
talk to you, bro. And this is involving now a

495
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:54.839
murder and an attempted murder, and we got word that

496
00:27:54.880 --> 00:27:57.799
you're you're a drug dealer, so obviously you're of some

497
00:27:57.880 --> 00:28:00.839
interest to us. Now let's talk about Danny rel. I

498
00:28:00.880 --> 00:28:05.160
think he's a handsome Vietnamese guy. He's solid, he's kind

499
00:28:05.160 --> 00:28:08.880
of a thicker guy. He's got that short traditional haircut,

500
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:12.240
black hair, glasses. He's like kind of like a female

501
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:17.119
version of Jennifer almost just bigger. But they said, all right,

502
00:28:17.119 --> 00:28:19.200
tell us what you were doing. Because the murder and

503
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.000
attempted murder at this point happened on a Monday, around

504
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.039
ten thirty at night. He says, I was at home.

505
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:28.480
I was at home. I was asleep. They're like, all right,

506
00:28:28.519 --> 00:28:30.720
tell us more. He said, it was like nine, but

507
00:28:30.920 --> 00:28:33.640
definitely by ten thirty, I was in bed. I was asleep,

508
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:35.480
And so they say, well, tell us more about you

509
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.680
drug dealing. And Danny was very forthcoming with it. He said, look,

510
00:28:39.759 --> 00:28:43.440
I had a possession charge, I had a trafficking charge

511
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.680
put on me. He said, but after I got in trouble,

512
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.039
like that big time that I got in trouble, he said,

513
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:52.119
I stopped. I mean that really shook me. That got

514
00:28:52.119 --> 00:28:53.720
me to my senses, what the hell am I doing?

515
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:57.599
And I have not been selling drugs since that initial

516
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:01.680
big problem. Remember their exes. I want to make sure

517
00:29:01.720 --> 00:29:03.200
I'm clear on that. It was not a boyfriend. So

518
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.200
I know right now you're going, oh, oh, there it is.

519
00:29:05.519 --> 00:29:09.559
They were exes, Okay, after high school, that is, whenever

520
00:29:09.599 --> 00:29:13.279
their relationship had really ended. And again it's because her parents.

521
00:29:13.359 --> 00:29:17.079
Jennifer's parents were very strict and they just didn't make

522
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:21.599
it easy for the two of them to be together. Now,

523
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:26.519
in total, Danny and Jennifer did date. I'm saying date.

524
00:29:26.559 --> 00:29:28.279
It was kind of like off and on and behind

525
00:29:28.279 --> 00:29:30.599
the scenes and quiet and hiding and all that. A

526
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:35.960
total though of about seven years. But the parents were

527
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.920
not quiet about it. They didn't like him. Why didn't

528
00:29:38.960 --> 00:29:41.680
they like him? Well, okay, he's a drug dealer, red flag.

529
00:29:41.960 --> 00:29:44.720
But also they said, look, he's not going anywhere. He

530
00:29:45.279 --> 00:29:47.880
doesn't make any money. He was working at this Boston

531
00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:52.359
pizza place, and they made it very difficult. They kept

532
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:56.359
Jennifer busy and made it very impossible for the two

533
00:29:56.400 --> 00:29:59.160
to continue to date. So, as you can imagine, after

534
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.680
high school, Danny moved on. He just didn't want to

535
00:30:02.680 --> 00:30:05.359
fight the battle anymore. It was too difficult, it wasn't

536
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:07.400
worth it. He had moved on. Matter of fact, he

537
00:30:07.440 --> 00:30:10.640
had a girlfriend at this point. Her name was Christine,

538
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:15.400
and that was that. So police are taking all this in. Okay, cool,

539
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.200
Do you and Jennifer still talk? Are y'all still friends?

540
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:21.000
And he said, oh, yeah, we're absolutely still friends. He said,

541
00:30:21.039 --> 00:30:23.960
she calls me every now and then, but we are

542
00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:28.480
not dating. I have a girlfriend and she knows we're

543
00:30:28.480 --> 00:30:31.079
not dating. We just kind of have maintained friendship because

544
00:30:31.079 --> 00:30:33.160
we dated in high school. You know, we went through

545
00:30:33.160 --> 00:30:38.079
a lot together. Now, as the conversation progresses, they ask

546
00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.240
about conversations and texting and calling, and that's when Danny

547
00:30:42.279 --> 00:30:44.440
gets to this point where he's like, well, I can

548
00:30:44.559 --> 00:30:48.640
tell you this. Both of us have been getting harassing

549
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:53.960
phone calls and texts on our phone. And they say, okay,

550
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.519
well when is this going on? And he said, matter

551
00:30:56.519 --> 00:30:59.480
of fact, it's stopped two or three days ago, but

552
00:30:59.559 --> 00:31:02.720
it has been consistent up until just two or three

553
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:04.880
days ago. And they said, all right, tell us about it.

554
00:31:04.920 --> 00:31:08.200
So he says, look, the phone will ring, I'll answer

555
00:31:08.200 --> 00:31:12.359
the phone. Nobody says anything. It's just like quiet, and

556
00:31:12.400 --> 00:31:15.079
then I'm like hello, hello, and they hang up. Now

557
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.400
it didn't happen just one time or five times or

558
00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.799
fifteen times. Danny's like, no, this is absolute harassment. He said,

559
00:31:20.839 --> 00:31:24.039
it's been over one hundred times that this has been

560
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:27.519
going on. And he said, once he stopped, I guess

561
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.319
wanting to kind of answer these calls because he knew

562
00:31:29.319 --> 00:31:30.880
that it was going to be a waste of his time.

563
00:31:31.440 --> 00:31:35.000
Then he started getting text messages from these blocked or

564
00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:37.920
random numbers, and the last one was saying something to

565
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:42.599
the effect of we are watching you. Hm. That seems

566
00:31:42.640 --> 00:31:47.039
kind of dark, right, and so he's like, yeah, but

567
00:31:47.119 --> 00:31:49.799
I mean, obviously someone just just messing with me. I

568
00:31:50.119 --> 00:31:52.799
don't know what they want. And he says, so Jen

569
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.200
and I do spend time together every now and then.

570
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:59.200
It's not often. Sometimes she'll bring me lunch up to work,

571
00:31:59.759 --> 00:32:02.799
and he said, but it kind of escalated then because

572
00:32:03.559 --> 00:32:05.559
just a couple of times, like when Gen would bring

573
00:32:05.559 --> 00:32:08.880
me food, then I would get this random text message

574
00:32:08.960 --> 00:32:11.880
later on that said something like what is she doing there?

575
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.960
So obviously someone's watching me or watching us, And he said,

576
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.359
the very last one I got. All the message said

577
00:32:20.480 --> 00:32:24.559
was bang bang bang. Okay. Well, me and you and

578
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:27.440
everybody else in America right now is going well duh, okay,

579
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:31.359
what is going on? Obviously? I mean, you get this

580
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:33.680
message and then a week later both of her parents

581
00:32:33.759 --> 00:32:38.400
are murdered or are shot. Seems really super important. But

582
00:32:38.640 --> 00:32:41.519
Danny just was not convinced that the two things were related.

583
00:32:41.920 --> 00:32:44.920
And he told them he said, look, I'm like ninety

584
00:32:44.920 --> 00:32:48.759
five percent certain that this has nothing to do with

585
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.359
me or gin or drug sales or anything like that.

586
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:54.599
And that's whenever they questioned him on it and he

587
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:57.279
goes into detail. He was like, look, dude, I sold weed.

588
00:32:57.720 --> 00:33:00.240
You know what I'm saying. I'm not selling shit that's

589
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.680
going to get you murdered. You know, this isn't some

590
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:05.759
high big time you know, I'm not a kingpin. I

591
00:33:05.799 --> 00:33:10.400
sell weed. So investigators were really just kind of stomped

592
00:33:10.440 --> 00:33:14.359
overall by that interview because now it seemed like, Okay,

593
00:33:14.400 --> 00:33:17.440
there's an absolute element to this that's a problem, but

594
00:33:18.039 --> 00:33:23.200
it doesn't necessarily directly tie into this murder and attempted murder.

595
00:33:23.799 --> 00:33:25.839
So their question at this point was who is the

596
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:30.480
target of the actual shooting then, because you know, why

597
00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:34.240
would they leave Jennifer unharmed and kill the parents. Obviously

598
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:37.319
the parents were the target of this murder because they

599
00:33:37.319 --> 00:33:40.039
wouldn't have left Jennifer alive. So they wanted to look

600
00:33:40.039 --> 00:33:43.240
more into Jennifer's life, and they found exactly what I've

601
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:47.039
already told you. She grew up normal, pretty girl, happy, bubbly,

602
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:49.440
her friend said, genuine was the term they would use

603
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.759
to describe her. But everyone also did agree that during

604
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:56.559
high school, when she was Dayton Daniel. This brought about

605
00:33:56.599 --> 00:33:59.599
a shit ton of drama, not just because her parents

606
00:33:59.640 --> 00:34:03.079
didn't like him, but because it was that young relationship

607
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.279
where you know, if one was happy, the other one wasn't,

608
00:34:07.319 --> 00:34:09.440
and it was just this up and down, up and

609
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:13.519
down of drama and a young relationship. Daniel also wasn't

610
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:17.400
necessarily the best boyfriend to her, And an example that

611
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.199
one friend gave in something I watched, he said that

612
00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:25.960
Jennifer had worked all summer long, saved every penny she made,

613
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:29.960
and then went and bought Daniel a paintball gun with

614
00:34:30.119 --> 00:34:33.000
all of her money, like thousands of dollars. And the

615
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:36.159
fact is he led her, he let her do that.

616
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:41.159
And I thought back to my high school relationship, and certainly,

617
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:44.679
you know, we spent money on one another, but never

618
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.039
would my high school boyfriend, I think, have ever let

619
00:34:48.119 --> 00:34:52.000
me spend that level of money on just him, every

620
00:34:52.039 --> 00:34:54.159
dime I ever made. I just don't think that he

621
00:34:54.199 --> 00:34:57.000
would do that. So he came across as very selfish,

622
00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:02.679
very he obvious didn't care that deeply about her, because

623
00:35:02.960 --> 00:35:05.039
who does that, you know, who lets somebody do that?

624
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.519
So they were young, though they chalked it up to

625
00:35:07.679 --> 00:35:09.440
just it was a bad relationship. It wasn't going to

626
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:14.920
work out, puppy love whatever. So then the question came, okay, well,

627
00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:17.599
wait a minute, maybe the men broke into the wrong

628
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.440
home and they didn't realize it until they got in there.

629
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:23.960
They thought that this was someone else's house that would

630
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:26.199
have cash, when they found they didn't, and it all

631
00:35:26.239 --> 00:35:29.239
just went awry. So while they're trying to work through

632
00:35:29.360 --> 00:35:31.719
all of these scenarios and figure out what's going on,

633
00:35:32.199 --> 00:35:35.679
the public is just losing their minds. You know, who

634
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.280
shoots an innocent woman and then they only stole a

635
00:35:39.440 --> 00:35:43.719
small amount of cash. It just the whole thing stunk of.

636
00:35:43.800 --> 00:35:48.119
This is not a traditional type of murder home invasion,

637
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:50.360
which is sad that I would say traditional, but you

638
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:54.159
get my point now. In doing their due diligence, police

639
00:35:54.199 --> 00:35:56.960
did find that there was a neighbor across the street

640
00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.000
and that neighbor had cameras set up on their home. Now,

641
00:36:01.079 --> 00:36:04.159
as is always the friggin case, this drives me crazy.

642
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:11.280
The cameras were no good. They were super super super grainy. Well,

643
00:36:11.360 --> 00:36:13.719
they still had video though from the night of the shooting.

644
00:36:14.039 --> 00:36:16.840
The video was directly across the street actually from the

645
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.920
pan home. And it had a direct shot of the

646
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:24.519
front of their house, and sure enough, three people do

647
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.119
walk into the home, and about thirty minutes later they

648
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:31.360
leave the home. But again it is so grainy, it's

649
00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:34.320
more like pixelated blobs that are moving. Your brain is

650
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:36.800
just able to put together what you're seeing, but it

651
00:36:36.840 --> 00:36:40.360
is not clear in any way. When they leave, it's

652
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:43.760
like they walk up casually. But when they leave, one

653
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.639
suspect bolts it out of there quicker than the other ones,

654
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:49.360
and then a few seconds later the next two come

655
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:53.039
running out. All three went through the front door, but

656
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.400
there was no forced entry. Again it's grainy, but there

657
00:36:56.440 --> 00:37:00.400
was no forced entry. So going back to Jennifer's original

658
00:37:00.440 --> 00:37:04.239
investigation or interrogation, she didn't hear anything, so it made

659
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:07.320
sense what they were seeing that they didn't kick in

660
00:37:07.360 --> 00:37:11.000
the door. It seemed like that parents just let them in,

661
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:13.800
is what it really was seeming like, So, okay, do

662
00:37:13.920 --> 00:37:19.280
they know these guys well. In an additional interview, Jennifer

663
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:21.400
has now had time to kind of process what's going on.

664
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.559
They bring her back in. This is about four days

665
00:37:24.599 --> 00:37:29.719
after her mother has been murdered, and so people's memory

666
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.400
in the moment may be waning. But after people have

667
00:37:32.440 --> 00:37:34.840
time to process and their brain can calm down, sometimes

668
00:37:34.880 --> 00:37:37.400
they can recall things that in the moment they weren't

669
00:37:37.400 --> 00:37:40.400
able to necessarily get out in the immediate shock of

670
00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:44.960
it all. So during this interview, she comes in, it's

671
00:37:44.960 --> 00:37:47.360
like nine thirty in the morning, and Deborah Gladding, that

672
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.639
was her name. Deborah Gladding was the advocate for Jennifer.

673
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:54.840
She was there. She is kind of helping oversee and

674
00:37:54.880 --> 00:37:57.840
keep Jennifer calm. But when you're watching this interview, you

675
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.719
can tell that Jennifer is still completely anxiou over this,

676
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:05.559
very fidgety, rubbing her fingers together on both hands, anxious,

677
00:38:05.679 --> 00:38:08.719
just trying to self soothe as she's working through this.

678
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.840
And so they bring up this relationship about Daniel and

679
00:38:13.039 --> 00:38:15.599
she does say, yeah, he was my first love, and

680
00:38:15.679 --> 00:38:18.719
she said, yep, we dated for a long time, but

681
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:22.760
he's not my boyfriend. My parents didn't like him, and

682
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:24.719
they said, well, what do you know about his drug dealing?

683
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.760
But she didn't really know anything about his drug dealing.

684
00:38:28.840 --> 00:38:31.199
She said, all I know now is he has said

685
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:35.320
in like conversations, oh, he's just doing running, like running drugs.

686
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.000
But she didn't pry or ask more questions because he

687
00:38:38.039 --> 00:38:40.599
wasn't her boyfriend, and they just talked about it in

688
00:38:40.719 --> 00:38:43.159
passing and it came up while they were just in conversation,

689
00:38:44.280 --> 00:38:49.320
but they wanted to know something. Was she receiving those

690
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:54.840
weird messages about or people calling and not speaking or saying,

691
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:57.159
you know, what are you doing with him? Blah blah

692
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:01.360
blah blah blah. And she opened up and she said, actually, yes,

693
00:39:01.719 --> 00:39:06.320
I have been getting those. Well, you didn't bring that

694
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:09.480
up in the first interview, and of course, look she

695
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.440
was in shock. That wasn't at the forefront of her mind.

696
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.639
And she said, now that, I mean, I'm thinking about it.

697
00:39:15.960 --> 00:39:18.639
I just always thought that it was Danny's new girlfriend,

698
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:22.400
like wanting me to back off and doing stuff like that.

699
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:24.400
I thought it was her that was calling me or

700
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:28.320
texting me. And she said, Daniel tells me it's just

701
00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:31.920
his friend, but everybody else says it's his girlfriend. I'm

702
00:39:31.920 --> 00:39:36.079
inclined to believe that that's actually his girlfriend. And the

703
00:39:36.119 --> 00:39:38.840
girlfriend Christine was always rude to her. She said, she's

704
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:43.000
a very jealous type of personality, and that's what she

705
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:47.320
had just chalked this up to. Now, back whenever they

706
00:39:47.599 --> 00:39:54.280
were still dating. Okay, Jennifer's dad became very very upset

707
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.800
when he found out that he thought that they had

708
00:39:56.800 --> 00:39:59.559
broken it off and that he found out Jen was

709
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:03.440
still dat Daniel behind his back. So when it all

710
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.880
came to a head, Jen's dad had given her an ultimatum.

711
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.800
He said, this is it. He's a loser. You want

712
00:40:09.800 --> 00:40:12.800
to go down that path, go down it, knock yourself out,

713
00:40:13.239 --> 00:40:15.480
but you will make a decision, and you will make

714
00:40:15.519 --> 00:40:18.760
it now. You will either choose him or you will

715
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:23.000
choose our family, and there will not be both. You decide,

716
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.599
because we're not going to continue to support you and

717
00:40:25.760 --> 00:40:28.280
love you and pay all this money for you to

718
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:30.880
be in college and do all of these things at

719
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:34.559
this point in the story, and you be chasing a loser.

720
00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:38.679
That's going to amount to nothing. So Jennifer really had

721
00:40:38.679 --> 00:40:41.199
thought it through and she decided that she was going

722
00:40:41.280 --> 00:40:43.559
to choose her family and it was the right thing

723
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:46.079
to do. Choose your family, man, they love you, they

724
00:40:46.079 --> 00:40:49.559
have your best interests at heart. She was still talking

725
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.679
to Danny, though, and whenever her dad found that out,

726
00:40:53.039 --> 00:40:57.360
he took away her cell phone. Okay, whatever, dad's paying

727
00:40:57.360 --> 00:41:00.280
the billy text away the phone after that though, after

728
00:41:00.280 --> 00:41:03.639
that big blow up and he made Jennifer choose, she said,

729
00:41:03.679 --> 00:41:06.840
he really just kept me busy. After that. I would

730
00:41:06.920 --> 00:41:10.039
wake up. He would make me go do my piano studies.

731
00:41:10.880 --> 00:41:14.239
She had a teacher named Fernando Baldassini, and her dad

732
00:41:14.239 --> 00:41:17.280
would even drive her to the piano lessons and back

733
00:41:17.360 --> 00:41:18.960
because he did not want her to have a moment

734
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:24.239
free to go mess with this Danny guy. And in

735
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:29.239
speaking with her instructor, her piano instructor, he just was

736
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:35.599
gushing over Jennifer. He thought that she was an amazing pianist,

737
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:40.079
even use the term exceptional, that she was beyond the

738
00:41:40.199 --> 00:41:44.840
average piano student, she always won all of her competitions,

739
00:41:45.199 --> 00:41:47.519
and that her parents were doling out a lot of

740
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.599
money over her piano. They wanted her to be a

741
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:55.880
very a very good pianist. Well, when investigators were talking

742
00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:58.719
to him more, he said, look, you know, one day though,

743
00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:01.559
she did just out crying in the middle of playing

744
00:42:01.599 --> 00:42:04.400
a song, and he's like, what's going on? Are you okay?

745
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:05.760
Because they were close, you know, they spend a lot

746
00:42:05.760 --> 00:42:10.079
of time together, and he told her that she was

747
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.920
just being overwhelmed by her parents, that she wasn't allowed

748
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:16.360
to see her boyfriend they were driving her crazy, and

749
00:42:16.400 --> 00:42:19.239
that her boyfriend was really the only person that was

750
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:24.599
there for her, and that it just wasn't her life

751
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:28.360
was just very sad. Now again that was back then. Okay,

752
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.360
so today they're not dating as this murder occurs. So

753
00:42:32.480 --> 00:42:36.000
when all of that's kind of brought up, Jennifer does

754
00:42:36.039 --> 00:42:38.119
finally admit to the cops. They're like, look, you seem

755
00:42:38.159 --> 00:42:40.880
like you really do have feelings for him still, And

756
00:42:40.960 --> 00:42:43.679
after some talking, she admits, yes, I do. I still

757
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.880
love Dannie, but I can't be with him. He's got

758
00:42:45.880 --> 00:42:49.760
a girlfriend. It is what it is. Well, after high school,

759
00:42:50.920 --> 00:42:54.119
Jennifer graduated and she went to college. This was another

760
00:42:54.159 --> 00:42:57.199
thing in her interrogation that was brought up, what did

761
00:42:57.239 --> 00:42:59.320
you do in college? And she said, well, I wanted

762
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:03.559
to do kinesiology, but my dad said no, He wanted

763
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:07.079
me to go into the medical field. But Jennifer did

764
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.440
not have the stomach for it. It made her sick. She

765
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.760
was grossed out. Blood was not her thing. She didn't

766
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:14.880
want to take care of people like that. And he

767
00:43:14.880 --> 00:43:16.679
said fine. Dad was like, if you can't do that,

768
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:18.559
then you need to go another route. You need to

769
00:43:18.559 --> 00:43:22.280
be a pharmacist. They make good money. You're smart, You're

770
00:43:22.280 --> 00:43:26.239
a smart girl. Maximize your potential, and so she did

771
00:43:26.320 --> 00:43:30.320
as instructed, and after she graduated college as a pharmacist,

772
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:33.239
she was having a little bit of trouble finding a job.

773
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:36.760
So her mother had even mentioned this to other friends,

774
00:43:36.760 --> 00:43:40.159
so we know that this is true. She was worried

775
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.559
because they wanted her to be very successful. They didn't

776
00:43:43.559 --> 00:43:46.679
want society to think bad of her, and they really

777
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:49.679
needed her to find a good job. Everyone that went

778
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:52.840
to her school had become a doctor or a lawyer

779
00:43:53.039 --> 00:43:56.559
or an engineer, and so that was kind of the

780
00:43:56.599 --> 00:44:00.559
expectation of Jennifer as well. But whenever they were looking

781
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:03.440
into a little bit more of Jennifer, it turns out,

782
00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.800
you know, she was at a place where most of

783
00:44:05.840 --> 00:44:11.199
her her peers got straight a's, but Jennifer, she didn't

784
00:44:11.239 --> 00:44:14.360
get straight a's. She was more I think, more aligned.

785
00:44:14.679 --> 00:44:16.559
She would get some a's, but she had b's and

786
00:44:16.599 --> 00:44:19.639
she had c She was not just this really strong

787
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.239
student like the other ones. And so Jennifer was kind

788
00:44:23.239 --> 00:44:25.880
of explaining this to the to the cops, very open

789
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:27.679
about it, and was like, you know, I just don't

790
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:30.480
think I could make the grades that they that they

791
00:44:30.519 --> 00:44:34.599
wanted me to make. And that's when she drops a

792
00:44:34.639 --> 00:44:39.960
bombshell and she says, matter of fact, I actually never

793
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.480
went to college. What what do you mean you never

794
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.519
went to college. You're a pharmacist. You have the paperwork

795
00:44:47.559 --> 00:44:53.480
for it. She's like, not really. So they thought that

796
00:44:53.559 --> 00:44:59.679
she graduated from Ryerson. But every day they would drive

797
00:44:59.719 --> 00:45:01.960
her down to the college, they would drop her off,

798
00:45:01.960 --> 00:45:04.480
she would take her classes, and then they would pick

799
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:07.360
her up and they would bring her back home. But

800
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.760
the truth was that she was not actually going to

801
00:45:10.840 --> 00:45:14.719
classes they thought she was. She was just basically hitching

802
00:45:14.719 --> 00:45:17.159
a ride down to the college. And she did tell

803
00:45:17.159 --> 00:45:19.400
the cops. Look, I feel really guilty about this, but

804
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:23.480
I was just too overwhelmed with the expectations, and I

805
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:25.480
never was able to tell them the truth because whenever

806
00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:27.840
I would get it to the forefront, I just couldn't

807
00:45:27.840 --> 00:45:31.960
get it out and let them know. Not only had

808
00:45:32.280 --> 00:45:36.840
Jennifer not gone to college like they thought she was going,

809
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:43.280
she continued this lie for four years. Four fucking years.

810
00:45:43.320 --> 00:45:46.960
Her parents are driving her to school and she's not going.

811
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:49.480
So where did you get your certificate from? Where did

812
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:53.000
you get all the documentation from Well, turns out, if

813
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:55.719
you've got photoshop, you can do anything you want. Because

814
00:45:55.800 --> 00:46:00.840
Jennifer had made a fake degree certificate from the college,

815
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:06.199
her parents never really questioned her on it. Why because

816
00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.280
in high school she made straight a's. And I know

817
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:10.719
right now you're going, wait a minute, you just said

818
00:46:10.719 --> 00:46:13.760
she wasn't a straight A student, y'all, She wasn't. Back

819
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:17.280
in high school. She was doctoring her report cards to

820
00:46:17.320 --> 00:46:19.320
make it look like she was a straight A student,

821
00:46:19.559 --> 00:46:24.960
but she wasn't. She was deceitful all the way through, y'all.

822
00:46:25.360 --> 00:46:30.079
She falsified her own high school diploma. She didn't even

823
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:34.880
graduate high school. Why because she failed calculus and because

824
00:46:34.880 --> 00:46:41.360
of that calculus class, she couldn't graduate. So she had

825
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:45.400
made her own college certificate. She had faked her high

826
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:49.400
school and she faked that she was a pharmacist. This

827
00:46:49.559 --> 00:46:52.280
is big. This is bigger than any lie I think

828
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.639
I could ever maintain. Holy shit, I don't even think

829
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.679
I could keep a lie going for more than a day.

830
00:47:00.280 --> 00:47:02.559
Years you looked your parents in the face and they

831
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.440
drove you to college. Well, if you're able to commit

832
00:47:06.480 --> 00:47:11.000
to that, how were you able to fake your parents out? Well?

833
00:47:11.119 --> 00:47:14.960
She would do things like get secondhand textbooks that she

834
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:18.360
could find from friends or whatever, and then she would

835
00:47:18.400 --> 00:47:21.559
get notebooks and just kind of fill the notebooks with

836
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.079
random writings and papers and all of this stuff to

837
00:47:25.159 --> 00:47:28.280
make it look like she had been in classes when

838
00:47:28.320 --> 00:47:30.280
the reality of what was going on was that she

839
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:33.800
was a server at a restaurant. She was working as

840
00:47:33.840 --> 00:47:37.440
a waitress, and she was teaching piano lessons. Now her

841
00:47:37.440 --> 00:47:40.199
parents knew about her teaching piano lessons, they didn't know

842
00:47:40.280 --> 00:47:46.840
she was working as a waitress. So after she faked

843
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:50.199
studying at Ryerson, that's whenever she told them that she

844
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:54.239
had been accepted into the University of Toronto's pharmacology program.

845
00:47:54.920 --> 00:47:57.239
And at that point, the way she was able to

846
00:47:57.239 --> 00:47:59.239
get away with the life for so long was that

847
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:02.079
she had convince them to let her live with one

848
00:48:02.119 --> 00:48:05.360
of her female friends for like three nights a week

849
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:07.960
because she said, look, it'll cut down a commute time,

850
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.320
I could spend more time on my studies. But the

851
00:48:10.400 --> 00:48:12.840
reality was that she was actually staying over at Daniel

852
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:17.079
Wong's house with his family during that time. Okay, so

853
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.199
this was a massive lie, massive manipulation, but she got

854
00:48:22.280 --> 00:48:26.920
caught in these lies, and it began to unravel whenever

855
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:30.239
she had told her parents at one point that she

856
00:48:30.480 --> 00:48:34.000
was working in a blood testing lab at a hospital.

857
00:48:34.239 --> 00:48:37.440
She was supposedly volunteering and doing a bunch of stuff

858
00:48:37.480 --> 00:48:42.079
at this hospital, but her dad became kind of suss

859
00:48:42.159 --> 00:48:45.480
about it. He kind of was like, Okay, well, if

860
00:48:45.519 --> 00:48:48.559
you're working in this hospital, where are your credentials. Anybody

861
00:48:48.559 --> 00:48:50.440
in a hospital is going to have a badge or

862
00:48:50.480 --> 00:48:52.599
they're going to have some type of uniform that you're

863
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:53.840
going to wear. You're not going to show up in

864
00:48:54.320 --> 00:48:57.400
sweatpants and a T shirt at the lab, and so

865
00:48:58.480 --> 00:49:03.039
on the lowdown, he kind of followed her to school

866
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.440
to a hospital. Oh, actually, I take that back. He

867
00:49:05.480 --> 00:49:09.239
didn't follow her. He had the mom follow her. So

868
00:49:09.519 --> 00:49:13.639
Bick followed her to the hospital one morning. And that's

869
00:49:13.679 --> 00:49:16.719
whenever they found out that this was all a lie.

870
00:49:16.760 --> 00:49:19.599
Every bit of it was a lie. They found out

871
00:49:20.400 --> 00:49:22.360
that she was lying about staying with that friend because

872
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:24.320
they confronted the friend and the friend was like, sorry, no,

873
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:27.679
she's not staying with me. And that's whenever she did

874
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.199
confess that she never enrolled in the University of Toronto,

875
00:49:31.599 --> 00:49:34.920
she had never volunteered to the hospital, everything kind of

876
00:49:35.039 --> 00:49:38.880
fell apart. Well. When that happened, her dad wanted to

877
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:41.400
kick her out. He was like, you gotta go, this

878
00:49:41.519 --> 00:49:46.199
is ridiculous, but Bick her mother convinced him, no, this

879
00:49:46.239 --> 00:49:48.039
is our daughter. We're not going to kick her out

880
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:50.760
on the streets and make her face her own consequences.

881
00:49:51.079 --> 00:49:55.239
We're gonna we want to keep her here. So whenever Mom,

882
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:57.440
you know, dad wants to kick her out, Mom's like,

883
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:00.000
you know, no, this is our daughter. We matter of fact.

884
00:50:00.039 --> 00:50:02.599
I think I just said earlier that she was nineteen

885
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.280
whenever the shooting went down. That's incorrect. Nineteen is whenever

886
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:08.599
all the line and stuff started, because she was more

887
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:11.199
like in her twenties when all the shootings went down,

888
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:14.840
because she was twenty two years old. Whenever she was

889
00:50:16.119 --> 00:50:19.480
telling people that it felt like she was under house arrest,

890
00:50:19.559 --> 00:50:22.000
that they were putting down such a tight grip on her.

891
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:26.239
So her parents, after all of this came out, made

892
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.480
her quit all of her jobs besides teaching piano, and

893
00:50:29.519 --> 00:50:32.400
they would even check the odometer on her car to

894
00:50:32.480 --> 00:50:35.679
see if she was lying about where she was going

895
00:50:35.679 --> 00:50:39.840
whenever she started traveling and driving on her own. So

896
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:44.519
as you can see she'd really the lies caught up

897
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:46.719
with her and things were not going well all right.

898
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:49.519
So police are like blown away by this. Wow, you

899
00:50:49.559 --> 00:50:51.280
lied to your parents for years and years and years

900
00:50:51.280 --> 00:50:54.920
and years. So that said, they were like, hmm, that's

901
00:50:54.960 --> 00:50:56.400
kind of a big deal to be able to hold

902
00:50:56.440 --> 00:50:59.679
on to that. So they continued to try to investigate

903
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:02.840
who could possibly have done this, And that's whenever they

904
00:51:02.880 --> 00:51:07.039
went back to that nine one one call, that original

905
00:51:07.119 --> 00:51:09.760
nine one one call, and they listened to it over

906
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:14.199
and over and over again, and something went off in

907
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:17.679
the detective's head and he's like, wait a minute, how

908
00:51:17.719 --> 00:51:22.719
that freak did she dial nine one one if her

909
00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.840
hands were tied behind her back? Because she said that

910
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:29.480
her back was against a banister and her hands were

911
00:51:29.519 --> 00:51:33.119
tied behind her back, So how did that happen? How

912
00:51:33.159 --> 00:51:35.800
were you able to dial? And so this was whenever

913
00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:38.880
they questioned her a little bit about it, and she says, look,

914
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:42.039
she goes so deep. She said that they pulled him

915
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:46.000
so tight that I even screamed out in pain. And

916
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:48.039
they're like, okay, so he tied you up, but he

917
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.440
never checked to see if you had a phone on,

918
00:51:51.519 --> 00:51:53.480
and she's like, no, thank God, I wouldn't have been

919
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:55.639
able to dial nine one one. So they asked her

920
00:51:55.639 --> 00:51:57.760
to show them, how did you dial nine one one

921
00:51:57.760 --> 00:52:02.000
with your hands behind your back? Zipped? Well, y'all, if

922
00:52:02.039 --> 00:52:05.719
I'm lying, I'm dying. But she sure a shit showed

923
00:52:05.760 --> 00:52:07.760
him how she did it. Her hands were behind her back,

924
00:52:07.800 --> 00:52:10.000
she was able to grab the phone. She dial nine

925
00:52:10.039 --> 00:52:14.320
to one one, and she held the phone right. I mean,

926
00:52:14.320 --> 00:52:17.119
you can see her do it right there, and they're like, huh, wow,

927
00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:23.440
she really did do it. So then the question becomes, well,

928
00:52:23.440 --> 00:52:26.480
then I wonder why they didn't hurt you again? Where

929
00:52:26.639 --> 00:52:28.559
was this the wrong house? What is going on? But

930
00:52:28.679 --> 00:52:31.159
why the hell? If you're willing to murder two people

931
00:52:31.159 --> 00:52:33.199
in a house, why would you be willing to leave

932
00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:35.960
a surviving witness. It just makes sense that you would

933
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.840
kill everybody. Why would you risk that, especially since you

934
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:42.480
spoke to her, She saw your face and you tied

935
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.840
her up. And she says, well, because I cooperated with them.

936
00:52:46.079 --> 00:52:47.880
I did everything they told me to do. I never

937
00:52:47.960 --> 00:52:51.320
fought back, I never did anything other than what they

938
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:55.199
told me to do. All right, So they asked her

939
00:52:55.199 --> 00:52:59.480
some more, Look did what happened? Whenever they found out

940
00:52:59.639 --> 00:53:02.039
that you didn't go to college. You know, how did

941
00:53:02.079 --> 00:53:03.519
they react to that? So I'm kind of all over

942
00:53:03.559 --> 00:53:05.679
the place. But this is how the questioning goes, and

943
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.719
she says, well, whenever they found out that I didn't

944
00:53:08.719 --> 00:53:10.440
go to college, they told me I was gonna have

945
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.039
to pay them back for all the money they had

946
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:15.280
been giving for college. Now what she spent that on,

947
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:17.679
I don't know, but she wasn't paying tuition for college.

948
00:53:18.239 --> 00:53:21.199
So this is whenever they asked her about life insurance money,

949
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:24.000
and she's like, I don't they didn't have life insurance.

950
00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:26.320
They I had a policy, she said, like, my parents

951
00:53:26.360 --> 00:53:28.280
took one out on me whenever I was little. There's

952
00:53:28.280 --> 00:53:32.119
a policy on me. But I don't even think they

953
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:35.280
have a policy not to mention. That was a stupid,

954
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:37.599
fucking lie. I'm not going to hurt my parents over

955
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:39.679
that lie. A big one, admittedly, but I would never

956
00:53:39.800 --> 00:53:41.639
hurt my parents if that's what you're trying to say.

957
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:44.960
But Jennifer at this point was completely rattled by the

958
00:53:44.960 --> 00:53:50.039
direct questioning, and you know, her advocate at this point

959
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:51.719
comes in and is like, look, I think maybe we

960
00:53:51.760 --> 00:53:54.280
need a bathroom break. Maybe we need to give her

961
00:53:54.320 --> 00:53:57.760
just a moment, and so detectives agree and the advocates

962
00:53:57.760 --> 00:53:59.559
in there for a while. She's wiping her face. She's

963
00:53:59.639 --> 00:54:02.199
kind of, you know, trying to woo saw and get

964
00:54:02.199 --> 00:54:05.159
it all together. She didn't break down crying or anything,

965
00:54:05.159 --> 00:54:07.960
but you could tell that she was very, very disturbed

966
00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:11.079
by this questioning by the detectives. But they're just trying

967
00:54:11.119 --> 00:54:15.960
to do their job. Okay, So while she's sitting there

968
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.480
and she's talking to her advocate, she's got her ponytails

969
00:54:19.599 --> 00:54:21.880
and they're pulled. Her hair's very long, it's like pulled

970
00:54:21.880 --> 00:54:23.559
down in front of her chest, kind of like her

971
00:54:23.599 --> 00:54:26.519
breast area. And the entire time that she's talking to

972
00:54:26.559 --> 00:54:30.119
her advocate or talking and thinking, she's got her hair,

973
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.079
her hands in the end of her hair and she's

974
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.440
kind of like raking her fingers through her hair over

975
00:54:34.480 --> 00:54:37.639
and over and over again, like she's grooming her hair.

976
00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:40.599
But it just looks like she's thinking. It doesn't look

977
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:44.440
like she's just trying to soothe herself, and the detectives

978
00:54:44.719 --> 00:54:47.519
really just felt like she was holding back. There had

979
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:51.159
to be something more to this story. Well, Dad was

980
00:54:51.199 --> 00:54:54.599
still in a coma. The cops don't know what the

981
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.440
hell Jennifer's really been doing for four years other than

982
00:54:57.440 --> 00:55:01.119
messing around with this boy. But that's old news. And

983
00:55:01.199 --> 00:55:04.599
so as the days passed, this investigation really kind of

984
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:08.079
started to stall. They weren't getting anywhere, nothing was direct

985
00:55:08.119 --> 00:55:11.519
evidence of anything other than what was being said. But

986
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:16.400
that was until the hospital and police made contact. And

987
00:55:16.480 --> 00:55:22.480
guess what, mister Pan was alive. He lived. Not only

988
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:24.760
did he live with a gunshot wound to the face,

989
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:28.079
but he was out of a coma and he was talking.

990
00:55:29.920 --> 00:55:34.559
That's a miracle, that's like unbelievable. So the detectives rush

991
00:55:34.679 --> 00:55:37.199
up to the hospital. They want to talk to him,

992
00:55:37.719 --> 00:55:39.519
and they said, by that point, you know, his face

993
00:55:39.599 --> 00:55:41.800
was bruised over his eye and they could see the

994
00:55:41.800 --> 00:55:43.760
hole in his nose on the side by his eye

995
00:55:43.760 --> 00:55:46.239
wherever he had been shot. And they're like, look, can

996
00:55:46.280 --> 00:55:49.119
you tell us what happened? And he was able to

997
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:53.119
recount very clearly what had happened. He said that it

998
00:55:53.119 --> 00:55:55.400
was about eight thirty. He said, I went to bed early.

999
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:57.760
My wife was soaking her feet because she had been

1000
00:55:57.840 --> 00:56:00.559
line dancing. Jennifer was home by son was not home.

1001
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:03.559
Jennifer was upstairs, and I went and I laid down

1002
00:56:03.599 --> 00:56:05.599
in the bed. That's when I woke up with a

1003
00:56:05.639 --> 00:56:09.639
man putting a pistol in my face, and he brought

1004
00:56:09.639 --> 00:56:12.400
me into the living room where my wife was yelling

1005
00:56:12.480 --> 00:56:15.199
out for me. And at that point, he said, my

1006
00:56:15.280 --> 00:56:17.159
wife was just saying I don't have any money. I

1007
00:56:17.199 --> 00:56:19.639
don't have any money, and the man yelled at her

1008
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:22.760
to shut up. Now, I'm gonna tell you what. At

1009
00:56:22.760 --> 00:56:25.480
that point in this case, my jaw dropped. I full

1010
00:56:25.559 --> 00:56:29.119
on thought that Jennifer had shot her parents. I will

1011
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:31.000
not lie to you. I full on thought that. But

1012
00:56:31.119 --> 00:56:34.760
her dad confirmed that what happened is exactly what Jennifer

1013
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:37.360
had said happened. He said, when he was pulled over

1014
00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.480
to the couch, remember how told you it was blood everywhere.

1015
00:56:39.760 --> 00:56:42.480
That's because they pistol whipped the shit out of this man.

1016
00:56:42.880 --> 00:56:48.079
They pistol whipped him to helen back and at that

1017
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.840
point Bick, the mom was begging for her life on

1018
00:56:51.880 --> 00:56:54.199
the other couch. Please don't kill me, Please do not

1019
00:56:54.280 --> 00:56:56.440
kill me. You can have whatever you want, Please don't

1020
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:59.960
kill me. Well, he said, at that point, they're freaking out,

1021
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.280
and that's when they look for in a third suspect,

1022
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:06.480
just as Jennifer said walked her, uh, walked down the stairs.

1023
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:10.440
But he said Jennifer walked down the stairs with the

1024
00:57:10.480 --> 00:57:13.679
third suspect, And so they're like, okay, so was she

1025
00:57:13.719 --> 00:57:18.079
bound at that point? And he's like, what was she bound? No,

1026
00:57:18.880 --> 00:57:22.360
she walked down with the suspect, that third guy, and

1027
00:57:22.400 --> 00:57:26.760
they were just talking. She wasn't tied up, and so

1028
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:33.039
eyebrows go up. Now at this point, how could that be.

1029
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:37.000
Maybe he's not remembering correctly. Maybe Jennifer was miss you know,

1030
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:39.599
misspoke saying that she was bound at that point, but

1031
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:42.480
they had actually cut the bindings before they walked down. Well,

1032
00:57:43.599 --> 00:57:45.559
the dad at this point is going to be put

1033
00:57:45.639 --> 00:57:50.159
under protective guard because they didn't know who tried to

1034
00:57:50.199 --> 00:57:51.440
kill him, and so they're like, oh my god, what

1035
00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.599
if this person comes back and tries to finish him off.

1036
00:57:53.679 --> 00:57:55.599
We need him alive. We don't need anything to happen

1037
00:57:55.599 --> 00:57:58.199
to him. And the dad turns to them before they

1038
00:57:58.360 --> 00:58:02.320
leave and tells the cops use your police techniques. And

1039
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:05.360
then his next words are so poignant because he says,

1040
00:58:05.840 --> 00:58:11.199
use your police techniques. Find out what Jennifer did. That's

1041
00:58:11.239 --> 00:58:15.440
coming from her dad, and so they're like, yes, sir,

1042
00:58:15.880 --> 00:58:19.800
well we're going to continue looking into this. So, fourteen

1043
00:58:19.880 --> 00:58:22.119
days after her mother was murdered and her dad is

1044
00:58:22.159 --> 00:58:25.639
now awake and talking, they called Jennifer back in for

1045
00:58:25.719 --> 00:58:29.000
another interview. Now she doesn't know this, but there's detectives

1046
00:58:29.039 --> 00:58:34.480
watching through another window, and she out loud says, I'm

1047
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.280
going to give you this interview. You keep calling me in.

1048
00:58:36.320 --> 00:58:37.840
I want to help you in any way that I can.

1049
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:41.280
And while Jennifer was a good enough liar to trick

1050
00:58:41.320 --> 00:58:44.920
her parents and to trick everybody around her, she was

1051
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:50.119
now being interviewed by another detective and his wheelhouse was

1052
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.360
detecting lies in people. That was his wheelhouse. This dude

1053
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:56.000
could do it, and so he starts to build a

1054
00:58:56.079 --> 00:59:01.840
rapport with her, and she told him that this is

1055
00:59:01.840 --> 00:59:04.039
where she admits to fake in the documents, and she

1056
00:59:04.119 --> 00:59:06.280
really poured it all out. Actually in this third interview.

1057
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:07.639
I already told you that, but it was the third

1058
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:11.679
interview where that happens, and she admits to photoshop. And

1059
00:59:12.199 --> 00:59:17.280
whenever she was asked about Daniel, she said that she

1060
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:20.320
would have stayed with him had her parents not interfered.

1061
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:22.559
She was very clear about that because Daniel filled a

1062
00:59:22.679 --> 00:59:26.599
void that she could not fill herself. She felt like

1063
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.639
all of her friends were moving forward in their lives

1064
00:59:28.639 --> 00:59:32.119
and were accomplishing things, and she was just left behind

1065
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:36.039
and she would just be cut loose and cut out

1066
00:59:36.079 --> 00:59:38.000
of life, and she just felt like a total loser.

1067
00:59:38.360 --> 00:59:41.000
And the entire time that this is happening again, she's

1068
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.440
grooming her hair with her fingers, like I told you

1069
00:59:43.480 --> 00:59:46.440
she did in that previous interview. And this is where

1070
00:59:46.440 --> 00:59:50.360
that detective pulls a move that we all know. Police

1071
00:59:50.360 --> 00:59:52.199
can lie to us, just so you know, they can't

1072
00:59:52.199 --> 00:59:56.039
break the law, but they can lie to us. So

1073
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:58.719
that's when he says, well, look, we kind of have

1074
00:59:58.760 --> 01:00:02.440
a problem here, totally bluffing, and he tells her that

1075
01:00:02.880 --> 01:00:06.920
satellites were able to be accessed, and the satellites are

1076
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:09.480
showing that she was not in the location that she

1077
01:00:09.599 --> 01:00:13.679
said she was whenever she called nine one one. Now,

1078
01:00:14.079 --> 01:00:17.400
it's a total bullshit story, but you would expect someone

1079
01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:19.960
who was telling the truth to go, yes, I was, Yes,

1080
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.239
I was, what do you mean your satellites are wrong?

1081
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:27.199
But instead she didn't do that. She kind of her

1082
01:00:27.239 --> 01:00:30.280
wheels start turning in her head, and that detective really

1083
01:00:30.280 --> 01:00:32.679
thought that she might be trying to reinvent or recreate

1084
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:36.639
a portion of the story. In his gut, he felt

1085
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:40.199
like her dad had messed up this a plan of

1086
01:00:40.239 --> 01:00:43.000
some sort, that her dad was supposed to die, but

1087
01:00:43.119 --> 01:00:47.000
because he lived, he was able to give descriptions of

1088
01:00:47.039 --> 01:00:52.320
the killers. And so he's like, look, we know what

1089
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:55.519
these guys look like. And she said, look, I told

1090
01:00:55.559 --> 01:00:58.920
you what I remembered, and he goes ah. Detective cuts

1091
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.159
her off and says, no, man, your dad saw these guys.

1092
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:05.920
You are not telling us the full truth. You have

1093
01:01:06.000 --> 01:01:09.960
to be involved in this. Why would you lie? What happened?

1094
01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:14.360
That would make you lie? So Jennifer then begins to

1095
01:01:14.599 --> 01:01:17.840
fall apart, and this interrogation is much longer than I'm

1096
01:01:17.880 --> 01:01:22.519
making it, obviously, but the pressure that detective continues to apply,

1097
01:01:22.639 --> 01:01:25.679
the pressure. He won't let her make excuses. He cuts

1098
01:01:25.679 --> 01:01:30.239
her off and he makes her. Eventually she's like crumbled down.

1099
01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:32.960
Her head is literally in her hands, in her lap,

1100
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:37.199
and he's like, tell me what happened, and then she

1101
01:01:37.320 --> 01:01:40.159
whispers out. It's so faint you can barely make it out,

1102
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:44.159
but she whispers out, they were supposed to kill me.

1103
01:01:47.039 --> 01:01:49.679
And he says what she says, they were supposed to

1104
01:01:49.800 --> 01:01:54.239
kill me. I didn't want to live anymore. Okay, Well

1105
01:01:54.239 --> 01:01:56.960
then why the fuck did they kill your parents? So

1106
01:01:57.400 --> 01:02:00.719
you've got to explain this to me now, And that's

1107
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:04.639
when she says, I paid people two thousand dollars to

1108
01:02:04.800 --> 01:02:09.480
come in and to kill me. Cop doesn't believe it.

1109
01:02:09.880 --> 01:02:12.079
He doesn't believe it as far as you can throw him.

1110
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:14.039
All right, Well, who was supposed to do it, then, Jennifer,

1111
01:02:14.360 --> 01:02:16.920
And she says homie, his name was Homie or homeboy.

1112
01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:20.079
He was supposed to do it. He even texted me

1113
01:02:20.119 --> 01:02:23.159
if he don't believe me. He texted me and he

1114
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:25.119
wanted to make sure I had the door and locks

1115
01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:27.079
so he could come in and kill me. The code

1116
01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:30.039
in the text he wrote, VIP access. That's what he said.

1117
01:02:30.679 --> 01:02:37.159
So this whole thing has now erupted into a suicide

1118
01:02:37.280 --> 01:02:43.360
gone bad or a suicide setup gone bad. But cop

1119
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.920
is just thinking this is total bullshit. When all of

1120
01:02:45.920 --> 01:02:48.960
this now is totally blowing up, they get a warrant

1121
01:02:49.119 --> 01:02:52.320
and it is executed on her cell phone. Sure enough,

1122
01:02:52.360 --> 01:02:57.000
though that did happen. Homeboy was asking questions about when

1123
01:02:57.039 --> 01:02:58.719
do you want me to come do it? And she

1124
01:02:58.719 --> 01:03:00.159
told him at one point note on do it now,

1125
01:03:00.159 --> 01:03:02.960
I've got dinner plans. And then she goes and she

1126
01:03:03.039 --> 01:03:07.079
texts Daniel from this phone and she says, Daniel, do

1127
01:03:07.119 --> 01:03:09.360
you love me? Do you want to be with me?

1128
01:03:10.719 --> 01:03:13.840
And then Daniel said, I feel the way you feel

1129
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:19.280
about me, but with Christine, so basically saying no, I

1130
01:03:19.280 --> 01:03:23.199
don't feel that way about you. And the next text

1131
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:28.119
from Jen says, then call it off with homeboy. So

1132
01:03:28.239 --> 01:03:30.599
Daniel responds to this and says, what do you mean.

1133
01:03:31.039 --> 01:03:34.519
You said you wanted this for you, This wasn't for me.

1134
01:03:35.000 --> 01:03:37.000
He said, I was always walking on eggshells with you.

1135
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:42.320
I lined all of this up for you. I lined

1136
01:03:42.400 --> 01:03:44.679
up all of this for you. So police are now

1137
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:46.840
throwing their hands up the fuck out. So Danny really

1138
01:03:46.880 --> 01:03:48.639
is involved, even though they were kind of starting to think,

1139
01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:51.039
I don't know, maybe he wasn't. And then Homeboy said

1140
01:03:51.039 --> 01:03:55.280
something to the effect of game time, all right, So

1141
01:03:55.920 --> 01:03:59.559
something's here. Danny's definitely involved, but what is going on?

1142
01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:03.360
So surveillance is then set up on Danny Wong and

1143
01:04:03.400 --> 01:04:06.239
police start following him to try to determine who were

1144
01:04:06.280 --> 01:04:10.199
these suspects that he was talking to, because in the

1145
01:04:10.199 --> 01:04:12.519
phone they were just as Homeboy or as these other names.

1146
01:04:12.559 --> 01:04:15.440
It wasn't as real people's names, and so they follow

1147
01:04:15.840 --> 01:04:19.039
they're doing all of this surveillance and then they look

1148
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:22.119
at phone comparisons, they run phone logs, and that's when

1149
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.880
they came up with the following people. A guy named

1150
01:04:25.000 --> 01:04:32.800
Eric Carty, David Molvagnum, Lynford Crawford, who they determined was Homeboy,

1151
01:04:33.719 --> 01:04:36.880
and Lynford was also known as Lenny by the way,

1152
01:04:37.119 --> 01:04:39.719
so they were able to figure out that Lenny aka

1153
01:04:39.840 --> 01:04:43.559
Homeboy was a drug dealer friend of Danny's. So I

1154
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:44.960
hope this is kind of lining up for you. Now

1155
01:04:44.960 --> 01:04:47.639
there's Danny, that's the ex boyfriend, Lenny who is Homeboy,

1156
01:04:47.800 --> 01:04:50.280
a guy named Eric Carty, and then a guy named

1157
01:04:50.320 --> 01:04:55.320
David Molvagnum. Now, once this surveillance is set up, they

1158
01:04:55.400 --> 01:04:58.639
then set up surveillance on those guys and they're intercepting

1159
01:04:58.679 --> 01:05:01.239
some phone calls. At one point and those guys call

1160
01:05:01.480 --> 01:05:04.000
each other and at one point one guy says to

1161
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.960
the other one, oh, man, did you hear about Danny.

1162
01:05:06.280 --> 01:05:11.360
Danny's been popped for a conspiracy charge. So what happened

1163
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:15.920
was police realized, oh, yeah, there's definitely involvement here. Jen

1164
01:05:16.079 --> 01:05:19.119
was placed under arrest for the murder, attempted murder and

1165
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.039
conspiracy to commit murder, as well as all of the

1166
01:05:22.159 --> 01:05:25.119
other guys that I just mentioned. Danny had been popped

1167
01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.679
for Cheryl on that conspiracy. But then police went and

1168
01:05:27.719 --> 01:05:29.800
they were able to take down all of the other guys.

1169
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:33.000
And once everybody was brought in and police were able

1170
01:05:33.039 --> 01:05:36.960
to complete their investigation, here is the truth of what happened.

1171
01:05:37.079 --> 01:05:40.440
When all of this was planned out for the get go,

1172
01:05:40.679 --> 01:05:44.159
So how could this even come to be? Y'all? Months

1173
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:49.199
of planning. Months in the spring of twenty ten, Jennifer

1174
01:05:49.320 --> 01:05:52.440
met up with that friend Andrew. Another guy's name was Andrew.

1175
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:54.760
I think it was Montemeyer or something like that. But

1176
01:05:54.840 --> 01:05:58.800
she met up with a friend Andrew. And Andrew introduced

1177
01:05:59.000 --> 01:06:03.760
her to a guy named Ricardo Duncan. Now, this was

1178
01:06:03.840 --> 01:06:07.039
ten months approximately before her parent, her mother was murdered

1179
01:06:07.039 --> 01:06:10.880
and her dad was shot. Allegedly, Jennifer back then paid

1180
01:06:10.960 --> 01:06:16.639
this Ricardo guy fifteen hundred dollars to murder her father.

1181
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:19.599
The plan was that he was gonna go kill her

1182
01:06:19.679 --> 01:06:23.960
dad at his job. Okay, Now, when they looked further

1183
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:28.159
into that alleged situation, obviously Ricardo gets called in Ricardo's like, hell, yeah,

1184
01:06:28.159 --> 01:06:30.159
she did give me the money, but I never agreed

1185
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:32.639
to kill her dad. So you can. I'm gonna let you,

1186
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:34.519
as a listener, decide what you think happened there. I

1187
01:06:34.519 --> 01:06:36.480
think old Boy took the money and jetted. Okay, so

1188
01:06:36.559 --> 01:06:40.159
she got screwed on her first attempt to kill her father. Okay.

1189
01:06:40.559 --> 01:06:44.719
After that, Jennifer and her ex Danny, they were still

1190
01:06:44.800 --> 01:06:47.840
kind of talking at that point. They got together and

1191
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:51.719
they made a plan together to kill both of her parents. Now,

1192
01:06:51.719 --> 01:06:54.320
why would Daniel even get involved because they were still

1193
01:06:54.400 --> 01:06:56.719
kind of talking but he was dating Christine at that point.

1194
01:06:56.880 --> 01:07:00.320
Here's your answer. It's because Jennifer knew for a fact

1195
01:07:00.559 --> 01:07:03.519
that her parents had life insurance policies. She knew that

1196
01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:06.760
she would be heir to basically their estate, and that

1197
01:07:06.880 --> 01:07:09.719
she was gonna come in somewhere in about a half

1198
01:07:09.800 --> 01:07:12.599
million dollar proceeds when it was all said and done

1199
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:16.039
for parents were to die. This included that life insurance

1200
01:07:16.039 --> 01:07:19.920
money too, So Daniel got involved. Danny Boy was there.

1201
01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:21.960
Why because it couldn't stand her parents, number one, but

1202
01:07:22.000 --> 01:07:24.079
because he had the promise of making a shitload of money.

1203
01:07:24.519 --> 01:07:27.960
That's why he got involved. So Danny had gone and

1204
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.880
purchased a burner phone. Remember her dad had taken her

1205
01:07:30.920 --> 01:07:33.800
cell phone. He bought her a burner phone that's basically

1206
01:07:33.840 --> 01:07:35.599
like a throwaway phone. You can go just pay money,

1207
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:38.119
you don't have a contracting, buy minutes and all of that.

1208
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:41.039
So he bought the burner phone, and that was programmed

1209
01:07:41.079 --> 01:07:44.440
with the name Lenny, which wasn't Lenny in and of itself.

1210
01:07:44.440 --> 01:07:48.599
It said homeboy's number. Okay, And so Lenny and Jennifer

1211
01:07:48.719 --> 01:07:51.199
go back and forth, and of course he agrees to

1212
01:07:51.280 --> 01:07:53.800
kill her parents. And y'all, he is such a stud.

1213
01:07:54.000 --> 01:07:56.480
He's such a fucking thug, such a such a bad

1214
01:07:56.559 --> 01:07:58.480
dude that he even tells her, look, I'll cut you

1215
01:07:58.559 --> 01:08:01.599
a deal. I'll do it for ten thousand. This is

1216
01:08:01.639 --> 01:08:03.960
half on my normal rate. But because you're a friend

1217
01:08:03.960 --> 01:08:09.079
of a friend, I'm gonna cut you a deal. Fucking douchebag. Anyway,

1218
01:08:09.360 --> 01:08:13.400
So this goes into motion. Lenny, homeboy, whatever you want

1219
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:17.119
to call him. He then goes on Halloween night, so

1220
01:08:17.199 --> 01:08:20.600
this was in October, and he goes and he scopes

1221
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:24.479
out the neighborhood on that Halloween night. Made sense because

1222
01:08:24.520 --> 01:08:27.119
there's lots of people out, it wouldn't look sketchy. He

1223
01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:29.079
could even cover his face and dress up. No one

1224
01:08:29.119 --> 01:08:32.079
would be any the wiser on that one. After he

1225
01:08:32.199 --> 01:08:35.359
scoped it out, he got the layout or the exterior

1226
01:08:35.439 --> 01:08:37.560
layout of the home and everything like that. He then

1227
01:08:37.640 --> 01:08:40.039
scheduled with her that he would do the hit for

1228
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:45.000
November the eighth. Now, how did they do it? Because

1229
01:08:45.039 --> 01:08:46.720
there was no forced entry? How did they even get

1230
01:08:46.720 --> 01:08:49.159
into the home. So glad that you asked. This is

1231
01:08:49.199 --> 01:08:52.520
so fucking evil. It makes my skin crawl. It's because

1232
01:08:52.600 --> 01:08:55.760
Jennifer came downstairs after her mother came home, just like

1233
01:08:55.840 --> 01:08:58.560
she said she did, and she went and pretended to

1234
01:08:58.560 --> 01:09:00.880
go lock the front door, and in fact, she was

1235
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:04.000
unlocking it, to my understanding, and that's whenever she told

1236
01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:06.680
her mom good night, she loved her, and she retired

1237
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.239
up to bed. Now, at that point, she's continuing to

1238
01:09:10.359 --> 01:09:13.880
text with the suspects. And this is whenever the police

1239
01:09:14.199 --> 01:09:16.960
go back and they view that grainy video from the

1240
01:09:17.000 --> 01:09:19.520
neighbor across the street. And while that video may have

1241
01:09:19.560 --> 01:09:22.159
been totally bad, there was one thing that you can't

1242
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:25.319
deny on it, and that's that the upstairs light where

1243
01:09:25.399 --> 01:09:29.359
Jennifer's room was that light flickered, and when it flickered,

1244
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:33.640
that was the signal that hey, door is unlocked, come

1245
01:09:33.760 --> 01:09:37.680
kill my parents. Because shortly thereafter, around ten o'clock ten

1246
01:09:37.720 --> 01:09:40.479
oh five, somewhere around there, those three men were seen

1247
01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:43.520
coming up to the front steps and they walked straight

1248
01:09:43.840 --> 01:09:47.439
in on the un suspecting mother soaking her feet, thinking

1249
01:09:47.479 --> 01:09:51.279
that she's about to go to bed. So when that happened,

1250
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:54.479
one of the men put the gun up to Vick

1251
01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:57.119
and she was in that living room. The other one

1252
01:09:57.159 --> 01:09:59.600
went and snuck into the master bedroom, woke up the

1253
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:02.199
dad with the gun in his face, and then forced

1254
01:10:02.239 --> 01:10:05.880
him downstairs into the living room. So sure, Jennifer did

1255
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:08.279
hear her mother yell, but she knew what was going

1256
01:10:08.359 --> 01:10:11.479
on the entire time. And at that point they started

1257
01:10:11.520 --> 01:10:15.119
demanding money from the dad and the mom, and the

1258
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.239
dad's like, go look in my wallet. There's only sixty

1259
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:19.720
bucks in my wallet. Go look, and mom is pleading

1260
01:10:20.119 --> 01:10:22.079
you can have my purse. Please don't hurt me, please

1261
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:25.560
don't hurt me. Well, Jennifer then comes waltzing down the

1262
01:10:25.560 --> 01:10:28.319
stairs with the hitmen. That's why she wasn't tied up.

1263
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:30.479
She was a part of it. She fully expected that

1264
01:10:30.520 --> 01:10:33.279
her parents were about to be dead. The parents didn't

1265
01:10:33.279 --> 01:10:36.520
have any clue, and so the men start escorting her

1266
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:40.039
parents down to the basement, and the whole time that

1267
01:10:40.159 --> 01:10:46.079
poor mama, that poor mama is yelling, please don't hurt

1268
01:10:46.199 --> 01:10:50.239
my daughter, Please, don't hurt my daughter, having no clue

1269
01:10:50.239 --> 01:10:53.359
that she's defending the very animal that set all of

1270
01:10:53.399 --> 01:10:55.479
this up and was about to take her life. All

1271
01:10:55.520 --> 01:10:57.680
she could think about, Well, she didn't care about herself.

1272
01:10:57.920 --> 01:11:01.840
Don't hurt my baby. It is the most heartbreaking thing.

1273
01:11:01.880 --> 01:11:04.960
It is one of the most ultimate betrayals that I

1274
01:11:05.000 --> 01:11:08.039
can possibly think of. And so they drugged the parents

1275
01:11:08.079 --> 01:11:10.279
down there, the mom screaming the whole time not to

1276
01:11:10.359 --> 01:11:12.960
hurt her daughter. And that's whenever they covered both the

1277
01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:16.239
father and the mother's heads with blankets. They shot the

1278
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:18.800
dad in the shoulder and then shot him in the face,

1279
01:11:18.920 --> 01:11:20.560
and then they went up to the mom and they

1280
01:11:20.600 --> 01:11:24.000
shot her three times in the head. Boom boom boom,

1281
01:11:24.119 --> 01:11:29.039
killing her instantly. Eric Cardy, he was the getaway driver.

1282
01:11:29.159 --> 01:11:30.800
That's the guy. He runs out. He's got to get

1283
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:32.119
the car so that they can run and they can

1284
01:11:32.199 --> 01:11:35.680
jump in and they can take off. Now I'm gonna

1285
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:41.079
tell you this. It is still unknown for certain who

1286
01:11:41.600 --> 01:11:45.600
of the three intruders actually fired the shots that killed.

1287
01:11:45.760 --> 01:11:48.279
But I'm gonna tell you something. It doesn't matter. They

1288
01:11:48.319 --> 01:11:51.720
all did it as far as I'm concerned. And when

1289
01:11:51.720 --> 01:11:55.279
they left, they did leave. From a couple of stories

1290
01:11:55.319 --> 01:11:58.560
I've read, we're gonna say they did get approximately two

1291
01:11:58.600 --> 01:12:01.840
thousand dollars from that house and whatever capacity they got

1292
01:12:01.840 --> 01:12:06.359
that money from. Now, I'll tell you this too. The thugs,

1293
01:12:06.680 --> 01:12:10.439
the weed dealer, and the hitman that's gonna cut a deal.

1294
01:12:10.720 --> 01:12:12.560
How would you feel if I told you those two

1295
01:12:12.600 --> 01:12:16.039
little bitches weren't even there when it happened, didn't They

1296
01:12:16.039 --> 01:12:17.520
weren't even there. They weren't even a part of it.

1297
01:12:17.880 --> 01:12:19.960
They're so bad ass, they were not even a part

1298
01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:25.079
of it. They were just the puppet master. So, despite

1299
01:12:26.239 --> 01:12:28.840
later saying that she had her hands tied behind her

1300
01:12:28.880 --> 01:12:31.960
back when Jennifer dialed nine one one, we know that

1301
01:12:31.960 --> 01:12:34.880
that's not the case. She was lying. She was faking everything,

1302
01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:38.600
and that's why she was not expecting. Whenever the dispatcher

1303
01:12:38.680 --> 01:12:42.359
is talking that her dad out of nowhere came screaming

1304
01:12:42.439 --> 01:12:45.239
and running up the basement. Shock the shit out of

1305
01:12:45.319 --> 01:12:47.760
Jennifer put her in frantic mode because now she's like,

1306
01:12:47.800 --> 01:12:51.319
oh God, he's alive. The dad never checks up. He

1307
01:12:51.399 --> 01:12:54.359
continues running straight out of the house screaming with a

1308
01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:56.920
bullet in his head, and that got the attention of

1309
01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.199
a neighbor who ran out and was like, oh my God,

1310
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:01.520
and that name were called nine one one as well.

1311
01:13:02.640 --> 01:13:05.039
So when he made it to the hospital, not only

1312
01:13:05.119 --> 01:13:07.920
did he have the bullet in his face, but he

1313
01:13:07.960 --> 01:13:10.720
also had a shattered neck bone and one of the

1314
01:13:10.760 --> 01:13:14.680
bullets had actually grazed his carotid artery. I am telling

1315
01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:16.760
you that man is still alive today because God had

1316
01:13:16.760 --> 01:13:20.079
a plan for him, whatever it may be. The doctors

1317
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:23.119
weren't even able to remove the bullet fragments from his

1318
01:13:23.199 --> 01:13:26.720
face because of how delicate it was and where it

1319
01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:29.359
was located. And the bone near his eye, like his

1320
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:31.960
occipital bone. I guess you would call it, that was

1321
01:13:32.000 --> 01:13:37.159
broken too. This man was hurt terribly. And then the friends,

1322
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:40.000
now that all of this is breaking, the friends and

1323
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:43.920
family almost fall out because they remembered they went to

1324
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:47.680
the funeral of Bick, and they all remembered holding Jennifer,

1325
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:53.119
hugging her, rocking her, and telling her just how sorry

1326
01:13:53.159 --> 01:13:55.239
they were, and she was how much she loved her mother,

1327
01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.960
and that bitch set it up the entire time, played

1328
01:13:58.960 --> 01:14:05.239
the part, played the part like a psychopath. And then

1329
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:09.800
detectives even found Jennifer's diary, which was interesting, and the

1330
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:15.399
entire diary was written only about not being able to

1331
01:14:15.479 --> 01:14:19.800
date Danny. Everything was about Daniel, nothing else. She didn't

1332
01:14:19.800 --> 01:14:22.960
write one thing about the pressures of life. She didn't

1333
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:27.920
write one thing about her parents supposedly, you know, suffocating her.

1334
01:14:27.960 --> 01:14:30.840
She didn't write one thing about her dad supposedly taking

1335
01:14:30.880 --> 01:14:32.840
her cell phone or any of that. She didn't complain

1336
01:14:32.880 --> 01:14:35.279
about any of that. If her life was so bad

1337
01:14:35.279 --> 01:14:36.960
and that was the purpose, don't you think that would

1338
01:14:36.960 --> 01:14:40.079
be the primary writings. But no, it was all about

1339
01:14:40.079 --> 01:14:42.960
that little punk ass boy from high school that she

1340
01:14:43.079 --> 01:14:47.960
wanted to date. Out of those hundreds and hundreds of

1341
01:14:48.079 --> 01:14:51.920
texts and threats that were done to Danny's phone, well

1342
01:14:51.920 --> 01:14:54.279
guess what the joke was on Danny, Because do you

1343
01:14:54.279 --> 01:14:58.960
know who was behind all of those messages Jennifer. Danny

1344
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:02.920
didn't know. He really thought somebody was harassing him. Yeah,

1345
01:15:02.960 --> 01:15:08.279
it's the chick that you're coordinating the murder of her parents. Why,

1346
01:15:08.479 --> 01:15:11.479
because she wants to knock your girlfriend out of the picture. Christine,

1347
01:15:12.000 --> 01:15:15.239
you are getting played. You're getting played by the very

1348
01:15:15.279 --> 01:15:18.319
girl you're trying to get her parents killed. Her behavior

1349
01:15:18.439 --> 01:15:21.560
was obsessive and it was sociopathic. And like I said,

1350
01:15:21.600 --> 01:15:24.560
the only reason he got involved was selfishness, not because

1351
01:15:24.560 --> 01:15:26.880
he cared about Jennifer, but because he wanted the money.

1352
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:28.359
He thought that he was going to come into a

1353
01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:31.960
ton of money. Because Jennifer's dad's direct quote to her

1354
01:15:32.199 --> 01:15:35.239
was either you cut it off with Daniel Wong or

1355
01:15:35.279 --> 01:15:38.319
you will have to wait until I'm dead to benefit

1356
01:15:38.359 --> 01:15:43.920
from me. Direct quote. She was definitely wanting her parents dead.

1357
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:47.000
There's no question about this. If you want to know

1358
01:15:47.039 --> 01:15:52.880
how personal Jennifer's dad took this, her daddy bucked up

1359
01:15:53.359 --> 01:15:58.079
and he testified against his only daughter in court. He said,

1360
01:15:58.119 --> 01:16:04.039
I will not have this. And Jennifer, Daniel Wong, Lenny Crawford,

1361
01:16:04.439 --> 01:16:08.239
all of them were all found guilty on all counts

1362
01:16:08.560 --> 01:16:13.800
on December thirteenth of twenty fourteen. Now she was convicted

1363
01:16:13.840 --> 01:16:16.079
and she was sentenced to life in prison with no

1364
01:16:16.159 --> 01:16:19.159
chance of parole for twenty five years. I personally think

1365
01:16:19.199 --> 01:16:21.199
death penalty should have been on the table, but I'm

1366
01:16:21.239 --> 01:16:24.880
not in charge now. Daniel Wong and all of the

1367
01:16:24.920 --> 01:16:29.359
others were also given the exact same sentence, except for

1368
01:16:29.680 --> 01:16:34.479
Eric Cardy, the getaway driver. Check this out. His original

1369
01:16:34.520 --> 01:16:39.600
attorney became very, very sick during his trial and because

1370
01:16:39.640 --> 01:16:45.199
of that, there was a mistrial declared. Now, that doesn't

1371
01:16:45.199 --> 01:16:47.560
mean he walked away scott free. He did later plead

1372
01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:51.399
guilty to conspiring to commit murder, but he only got

1373
01:16:51.439 --> 01:16:55.199
eighteen years in prison. However, he died in prison. He

1374
01:16:55.319 --> 01:16:59.399
died in his cell in April of twenty eighteen, so

1375
01:16:59.439 --> 01:17:03.479
he will never see freedom. And guess what else, Jennifer's

1376
01:17:03.560 --> 01:17:07.199
dad didn't stop with testifying against her, as well as

1377
01:17:07.199 --> 01:17:10.039
her brother. By the way, they didn't stop there. They

1378
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:14.680
also requested and they were granted, a lifetime no contact

1379
01:17:14.880 --> 01:17:19.119
order against his own daughter. Tell me that man was

1380
01:17:19.159 --> 01:17:22.399
not done. You killed his precious wife and you tried

1381
01:17:22.439 --> 01:17:27.039
to kill him. He was done. Now. I'd love to

1382
01:17:27.119 --> 01:17:32.000
end this episode there, But guess what. All of those

1383
01:17:32.039 --> 01:17:36.000
that were convicted in this case filed appeals, minus the

1384
01:17:36.079 --> 01:17:42.520
dead one. All of them were granted a new trial

1385
01:17:43.079 --> 01:17:46.239
based on an error. And I'm about to sound like

1386
01:17:46.279 --> 01:17:48.640
a broken record. If you listen to the Thomas Cootie

1387
01:17:48.680 --> 01:17:52.399
case already, do you know what the error was that

1388
01:17:52.439 --> 01:17:56.239
has granted all of them a new trial. The Supreme

1389
01:17:56.239 --> 01:18:00.720
Court decided that the original trial judge messed up because

1390
01:18:00.960 --> 01:18:06.399
he didn't give the jury verdict options for second degree

1391
01:18:06.479 --> 01:18:10.880
murder and manslaughter in the case, and because he didn't

1392
01:18:10.920 --> 01:18:14.560
give those two options in the instructions. That is why

1393
01:18:14.600 --> 01:18:17.920
they're now gonna be granted an entirely new trial. Now,

1394
01:18:18.119 --> 01:18:20.600
all of the other convictions of conspiracy and all that

1395
01:18:20.680 --> 01:18:24.760
those stand, but as of now, and I believe that

1396
01:18:24.840 --> 01:18:27.119
was April of twenty twenty five that the Supreme Court

1397
01:18:27.119 --> 01:18:29.439
made that decision. So we're gonna see, We're gonna have

1398
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to hang out and we're gonna have to see what happens.

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Until then, I'll tell you Jennifer pan is behind bars,

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and I seriously doubt, and I'll go out on record

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say this, I seriously doubt her appeal is gonna result

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in much of anything. It's just a technicality. It's gonna

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waste the court's time, and it's gonna drag her father

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and her brother through more pain. That is all that's

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gonna happen here. For now, though, I can tell you

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this also, Jennifer Pan is exactly where she needs to

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be until she eventually makes her way to hell one day.

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If you couldn't even graduate high school, what on God's

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green earth made you think that you could pull off

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something of this level? Honey? That's my first question. Imagine

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flunking the basics and still thinking that you could go

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straight Godfather and get away with it on your family,

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no diploma, no discernible skills, and an evil heart. To

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say I am unimpressed is an understatement. But what do

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you expect from a wannabe pharmacist? Because all she has

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is all the confidence of a prescription, yet none of

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the qualifications to even go and have it filled.