Oct. 7, 2025

Serial Killer: John Joubert Part 2

Serial Killer: John Joubert Part 2
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Season 8

In this episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings, KJ completes the horrific story of John Joubert, a serial killer who terrorized the states of Nebraska and Maine in the early 1980’s.

Timestamps
03:52 The Arrest of John Joubert
05:13 Joubert's Background and Early Life
07:03 The Attack on Danny 
14:28 The Horrific Murder of Danny
24:31 The Aftermath of Danny's Death
27:37 John Joubert’s Arrest and Confessions
34:50 The Murder of Christopher Walden
43:10 The Brutality of Christopher's Death
55:39 The Investigation into Ricky Stetson
57:38 John Joubert: Serial Killer Unmasked
1:05:06 The Final Days of John Joubert
1:13:02 Legacy of a Monster

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning Unspeakable as intended

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ You're back with the no other episode of Unspeakable,

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and I want you to know right now I am

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on top of the world because I had mentioned online

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to y'all that my mother was doing very, very poorly

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in Ice You. They actually called us in to say

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our goodbyes, and I asked for prayers, and you guys

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came through one hundred thousand percent. Because I'm so excited

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to announce to you right now that not only did

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my mom become a miracle, but she's alive today as

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I am recording this. Not only that she's talking and

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she is being moved out of Ice You. So if

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you are somebody that reached out to me, that set

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a prayer for my mama, or I saw you at

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Springfest and you threw your arms around my neck. You

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were the difference. And I'm giving all the glory to you,

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to God and to everyone who has just been there

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for me these last few days. So I have got

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a hell of a show for you today and I'm

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just really really excited to be where I am and

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how I feel right now. Also, before I start, if

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true crime cases around the globe and so we're really

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in your neck of the woods each week and those

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drop on Fridays, So go check that out. I have

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a couple of shout outs I gotta get to and

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I'm gonna first go to Galax, Virginia and I had

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never heard of that, and I almost thought it was

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a typo. I was like, I say Galaxy, but it's not.

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It's Galax Virginia, which I see has old time music

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capital of the world for deep roots in Appalachian bluegrass music.

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So I'd never heard of that. But Tiffany Hammond, I

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know you're there, and so I'm gonna wave to you

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right now and say, hey, girl, I hope that you're

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having a fantastic week, and I appreciate you more than

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you'll ever know for joining my Patreon. And then Emily

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Farantino in Johnson City, New York, Girl, I know exactly

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who you are. I can see your Facebook profile picture

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right now as I'm waving to you and saying hello.

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I told you I was getting to your shout out.

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I just had to turn this into a two part episode.

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So I hope you are wonderful. I hope New York

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is just booming as usual and you have a fantastic week.

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And then in Denver, Colorado, Aubrey Balcom, Aubrey, how are

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you doing. I have every intention of coming there to

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Denver or going there to Denver because I have family

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that's in Colorado, and girl, I want to come check

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it out. I've never been there, so if I go,

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I'm gonna be looking for you. I'm gonna message you

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and say, hey, where do I need to Where do

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I need to go stay? And what do I need

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to go do? So give me a message back on

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Patreon if you can let me know what I need

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to go check out. All right, So, last episode I

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left off with the arrest of twenty year old John Juwbert.

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Who y'all if I say Jobert, I'm sorry, I'll fix it,

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but I just can't help it. But John Jubert at

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the Offit Airport air Force Base. So let me tell

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you a little bit about him. He's a little bitty guy.

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He is about five foot six and he's very slender

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looking at him, very meek looking, quiet guy. But he

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was described as a very smart guy. He was enlisted

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as a radar technician and basically what he did on

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the air Force base was he installed, he maintained, he repaired,

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and he fixed the mobile radar. And these are those

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navigational aids that are needed for the weather systems that

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are going to be coming through and pilots have to

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have these. It's a very integral part of what goes

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on in the air Force, so he had a really

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important job. So he was arrested because he was the

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person confirmed to have rented the car used when that

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preschool teacher was attacked after she tried to give him directions.

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So police really wanted to know what the hell is

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your problem? First of all, why are you out here

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attacking preschool teachers? And we need to know a little

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bit more about you because this is very bizarre. So

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a little history on him that the police didn't necessarily

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know at this time, But some things that I was

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able to dig up about him is that he had

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attended an all male Catholic high school. This was called

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Shepherd High And when they go to speak to his

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teachers and people that went to school with him, he

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was described as timid but respectful, very respectful guy. But

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his timidness was so real that the teachers even acknowledged

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not only was he picked on, he was picked on

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a lot. And he also was one that would never

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defend himself. He just took it, and he took it,

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and he took it. He was a kid that played

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well arguably two different instruments. So one report said he

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played clarinet. Another one said he played trumpet. Hell, maybe

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he played both. I don't think it really matters in

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this story. My point is that he was in the

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band and he was also on the track team. He

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was always on the honor roll. I told you he's smart.

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There's no question about this guy being intelligent. And he

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had also achieved the top achievement for his age group.

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I guess, but he was an Eagle Scout, and y'all,

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he was even an altar boy. So it seemed kind

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of strange that this is the guy that's been arrested

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for assaulting a preschool teacher. He doesn't fit the bill

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for the guy that they would be looking for. So

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eventually he had graduated high school in nineteen eighty one,

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and if you're curious, I was able to find his

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senior quote from high school. Mine. I can't actually repeat

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word for word, but it was something about is it

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better to be the light or the mirror which reflects it?

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Something of that nature. I don't know, but there you go.

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That was my awesome quote from high school. I wanted

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it to be don't worry about it because in ten

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years it won't matter anyway. But that was not looked

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at as very profound, but I still think it stands true,

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all right, But his was life is a high way

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with many roads branching off. Don't get lost, so note that.

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So after he graduated high school, he enrolled at Norwich University,

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which is in Vermont, but he ended up flunking out

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his freshman year because the reality was he could not

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handle all of his newfound freedom. Basically, whenever he was

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younger and he was living at home with his mom,

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his mom was referred to as an overbearing and quite

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bluntly controlling type of mom. So when he ran off

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to college and went from complete overbearing mother to zero

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experiences with any type of freedom, he kind of went buck.

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He went wild, and you know, did things like not

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going to class and not focusing on the things that

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he should. But regardless of all of that, all accounts

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he was not a violent guy. And that's from people

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who knew him personally, not from outsiders looking in. It

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was people who hung out with him that knew him.

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He just was not violent. And someone who stood on

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that was his scout master, which the master. I'm not

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an expert in boy Scouts, but apparently boy Scouts go

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to Eagle Scouts, and then the top dog is going

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to be a scout master. If you're in the Eagle Scouts,

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talk to me, goose, send me a message, let me

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know if I've got that one hundred percent correct. But

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his scout master's name was Donald Shipman ship a n

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if ship puh men. So he worked alongside John currently

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up until the day of his arrest. He worked alongside

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him and said, listen, this kid is a devoted Eagle Scout.

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He loves working with our young boys in our troop

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that he helps with. And when he found out that

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John was arrested, he was shooketh He did not even

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know what to think, Like, what are you talking about?

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He's not capable of anything violent such as pushing and

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yelling at a preschool teacher and threatening to hurt her

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or in all of that. That's just not his nature

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in any way. So the young Cub Scout boys they

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loved him, and John would always attend these camping trips

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that they went. They went to. He was just a

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great role model and an excellent Eagle scout. But Scout

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Master Shipman was about to have his flabbers straight gasted.

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He is going to be flabber gasted because when John

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was arrested and he was brought to the station, he

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not only admitted to assaulting the preschool teacher, Miss Barbara,

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but almost shockingly, I wish there was a better word

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for this, but almost unbelievably, he made some what we

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would call spontaneous utterances, which, if you don't know what

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that does, I want to tell you real quick. Sometimes

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when people become overwhelmed or scared or shocked, or they're

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just taken aback by something that's happening, they'll say things

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just off the cuff. It's like their mind just comes

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out of their mouth and they'll say things that people

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they don't realize they're saying, but it catches people's attention. So,

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for example, if somebody shot their wife and then called

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nine one one, and it was like, oh my god, somebody,

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you know shot my wife. I don't know what to do.

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I don't know what to do, and then they might

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go I've got to hide the gun. They'll literally like

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say it. That's a spontaneous utterance that they don't intend

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to say, but it just comes out because of the pressure.

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Well after he admitted to assaulting preschool teacher Barbara. He

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made some spontaneous utterances about the two murdered boys that

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their cases were still being investigated, and it didn't go together.

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So it just seemed really strange that he would bring

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that up, especially now that he's being looked at for

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attacking a preschool teacher. Why the fuck which you bring

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that up. It's like, you know, not bright one oh one,

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don't bring up other cases. So investigators were literally speechless.

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So he says these couple of little statements and they go, wait,

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what wh who wha wha whoa whoa back up? What what?

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What do you mean? Why the hell would you bring

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that up in the middle of an assault of an

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assault investigation. It's just not bright. Well. John then basically

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began word vomiting the most horrific chain of events with

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precise detail, some that only the highly sought after child

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killer of those two boys would even know. So it

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was just unbelievable. It was it was almost like, there's

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got to be more to this, and the kicker, none

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of the information that he was just spontaneously kind of

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saying had been ever released to the public, so there's

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no way that he just happened to be talking off

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the cuff about a news uh you know, article or

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something he read or heard because it hadn't been released.

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So basically, police are staring at this tiny, little punk

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soldier who was wanting for attacking a a preschool teacher,

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and that issue just immediately took the back seat in

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terms of importance of what he said. Next. John Jubert

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openly began confessing to killing young Danny and young Christopher

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right there, right there, without even really being prodded. It

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was so wild and out of left field that police

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were damnure scrambling to handle it because they didn't want

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to look shocked. They didn't want to, you know, kind

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of spook him or alarm him to where he would

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stop speaking and clam up. But my god, they weren't

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ready for that. They weren't prepared at all. And the

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confessions were taped and John spoke with a clear, matter

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of factness, and starting with young Danny, John explained that

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morning he said that he went to go get a

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drink at a gas station and it was still dark

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outside on a cool but crisp morning. He came out

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after he got his drink and he was just casually

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leaning against his car, sipping on the coke whenever he

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looked up, and he spotted a young boy fixing his

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newspapers in the parking lot behind the dairy Queen. And

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this caught his attention, and he was curious as to

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know whether this boy had a paper route or not,

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or what exactly he was doing, because truth be told,

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when John was young, about the same age as this kid,

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he himself was a young paper boy with his own route.

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So when Danny took off on his bike, John slipped

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into his car and started his vehicle and then just

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kind of cruised out of the parking lot and followed

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behind in the boy's direction. And when he caught up

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to him and he got a good look at the boy,

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he decided to continue to drive past him. But not

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with honorable intentions, not with intentions of going shopping or

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going to do whatever he had to do for the day. No, no, no,

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he had slowly followed this child without that child even

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noticing him for a moment before he actually drove past him.

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So John parked two blocks ahead of where young Danny was.

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There was a parking lot there. Although there was it

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was a neighborhood, there was a parking lot about two

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blocks ahead. But when he parked the car in the

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parking lot, he did not get out of that vehicle

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empty handed. He was carrying a few things, a rope,

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some tape, and a knife. And this is something that

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you and I would likely call a kill kit if

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we're just going to be honest about it. So he

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kept his eyes fixated on this young boy and watched

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him as he rode and then stopped, he said. The

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boy got off of his bike and then he leaned

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it on a fence of a home before he gathered

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a few newspapers in his hands. And then Danny walked

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the e opposite direction of his bicycle to toss out

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a couple of papers. So it looked as if Danny's

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method was to pass up the homes, park his bike,

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walk back and throw them as he then returned back

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towards his bicycle. He hadn't yet mastered I'm assuming riding

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and throwing these papers plus those inserts if you remember

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from the first episode, those inserts that he had put

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in by hand, Those might fly out if he just

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chunked the paper. So his customers, he knew, wouldn't be

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too happy if their papers were just strown about and

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the inserts flew out, so he was doing the proper

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delivery method on this day. So, seeing a large tree nearby,

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John Jubert hid behind it where he just watched and

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waited like a total creeper. So as Danny walked back

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to his bike, Danny then actually spotted John standing behind

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the tree, and the kid even spoke to John. John

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wasn't crouched down or anything like in the movies, y'all.

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He was just standing there fiddling about and just looking harmless.

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And Danny was polite, he was raised to be that way.

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So the child said good morning, and John greeted him.

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He repeated the greeting and returned it hello, good morning,

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And so Danny just kept walking by with the newspapers.

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But that's when John quietly circled around back of that

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tree and then fell in line behind Danny. Danny Nunne

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the wiser, so John had already snuck up behind Danny

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when he turned to throw his leg and mount his bike,

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and that's when John grabbed the boy. He immediately put

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his hand over Danny's mouth and he shoved a knife

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into that child's throat, not cutting it, but as a warning,

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he put that cold blade up against that young boy's

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neck and he said, you come with me, and you

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do not make a sound. So Danny is frozen in

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instant fear, but attempting to save his own life. With

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just the strength that a young kid can muster, Danny

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did not fight back. Danny was known by the people

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that knew him to be a rough kid, that he

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would fight back if he felt scared. But that will

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tell you the intensity of fear that this child felt

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with that cold blade up against his neck, because he

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didn't even bother to try to fight back. He did

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exactly as he was told, and he kind of threw

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his hands up as if kind of surrendering, and he

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walked with his would be murderer straight to his vehicle.

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The place that it was parked was not populated, and

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it was still dark outside. It was that early in

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the morning that the sun had not quite lit up

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the neighborhood yet, so no one would even easily see them.

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As they approached the vehicle of this stranger, he ordered

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Danny right there beside his car to lie down on

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his stomach, and Danny did, and he was shivering the

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whole time. With the thought of that this knife might

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actually cut his throat. He was scared. He did exactly

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as he was told, and that's when John tied Danny's

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arms together, and then he tied his legs together as

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well as then taped the boy's mouth shut, completely immobilizing

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him and completely silencing the boy of any opportunity to

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scream out for help. But it wouldn't have mattered if

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he did, because there was nobody out this early. So

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when the coast was clear and there was no early

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morning vehicle passing by here and there, that's whenever John

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picked up Danny like a newly acquired piece of game

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that he had just hunted, and stuffed him in the trunk,

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slamming it shut. Piece of cake, according to John Jubert

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and still fear and get what you want. John was

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stoked at how easy it was for him to snatch

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this child off the roadway, and from there he drove

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off towards a secluded place just south of the area

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of Bellevue. Now Danny is alive, he's immobilized, he's terrified

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in this trunk as it bumps along. God knows what's

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going through that child's mind. He has no idea what

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is to come. He does not know who took him,

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why he took him, nor where they are going. All

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he knows is that with every bump of this car,

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every role, as the car turns, every movement, he is

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getting further and further and further away from his bicycle

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and from the location that his parents told him that

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he should be and to stay alert. And now he's

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in the very predicament his parents warned him about. It's

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it's just unfathomable what he must have felt. But eventually

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that car then crept to a stop, and Danny undoubtedly

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was hoping that someone, maybe a cop, has stopped this car.

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Maybe when this trunk opens, they're gonna save me. Maybe

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it's my dad, maybe he saw it, maybe he chased

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behind and he got this guy to stop. But the

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vehicle stopped. John was still in the driver's seat, turned

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off the ignition, and then he got out and popped

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open the trunk, and much to Danny's just just absolute resignation,

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he looks up to see that Nope, it's the same

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man who stole him right there, and he picked him

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up and dropped Danny alive right there in the ditch.

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The boy, wide eyed, scared out of his mind, gets

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dropped in a ditch on the roadside, but only temporarily

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because John just needed to turn and close his trunk

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and lock his car. But this was far from over.

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He then picked up Danny and he carried him about

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ten to twenty feet off the road into a cornfield area,

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where he directed the boy to roll over on his stomach.

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So Danny complied, and John then untied his hands. But

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don't for one second think that this was out of

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mercy or out of trying to give this boy comfort.

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Absolutely not. He untied his hands because he just wanted

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to remove his shirt so he could look at this

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young child's bare chest. And then he made Danny roll

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back over on his back, where he untied his feet,

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but again not for good reason. It's because he wanted

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to pull off his pants. So all of this movement

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that's happening, combined with a profuse sweating and the adrenaline dump,

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this adrenaline filled fear, it caused that tape that was

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around young Danny's mouth to soften the glue, and it

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slipped a little bit, and it slipped enough that Danny

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was able to actually talk to John Jubert, and that

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thirteen year old boy begged him direct quote, don't please,

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don't kill me, Please don't kill me. And he said

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this as he tried desperately to back away, dig in

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his heels into the dirt and just kind of on

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his back, shuffling backward in a very simple attempt, but

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everything he had to try to back away from this man.

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And that's whenever. As he backed up and said, please

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don't do this, don't kill me, Please, don't do this,

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John pulled out that knife, jumped on top of that

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child and viciously started stabbing Danny in the back. So Danny,

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as you know, without even telling you this, screamed out

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in unimaginable pain. And as that child was pouring blood,

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he said to John Jubert, if you take me to

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the hospital, I won't say anything. If you will just

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take me drop me off, please, I won't say a word.

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And as he got weaker and weaker, he said, I promise,

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I promise, I promise you I will not say a word.

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But John, in his own words, said, but I didn't

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believe him, And so if he went and dropped him off,

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that would take all the fun out of what he

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was doing to this young kid, so instead he flipped

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him over and he then just rained down, stab after

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stab into a thirteen year old boy's torso, and Danny

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shrieked in weak, weakened pain, just a weakened voice, but

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in so much pain. He shrieked out to which only

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excited John. John's blood was just pumping in his chest

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with nothing but pure excitement about what he was doing

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to this boy. He then grabbed Danny by the hair,

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pulled his head down chin towards his chest, which exposed

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the back of Danny's neck, and John took the knife

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and he sliced straight through the back of a thirteen

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year old child's neck and then just dropped him down

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to suffer alone on the ground as he just watched

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the light fade from this kid. He said he did

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tense up at one point while he was shifting, and

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then nothing. Danny stopped moving. There was that big shiver,

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and then he stopped moving for good. And John told

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the cops, yeah, I thought he was dead, but I

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needed to be sure. And that's when he took his

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knife and he sliced into the back of the left leg,

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cutting out a chunk of muscle and skin from that

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child's leg, just to see if he would react. But

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Danny didn't respond. Danny was already dead. So John then

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got up, his breath slowed a little bit because the

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intensity of all of the fun he was having was over.

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He grabbed Danny and he drug him a few yards

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further away from the road and did a really impromptu

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attempt to conceal him right there in the weeds. Once

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he was happy where he dropped the boy and ready

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to go, he looked down at his knife and he

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saw that it was dripping covered in blood, and he

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couldn't have that. So on his way back to his car,

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remember that shirt that he had ripped off of Danny.

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When he untied his hands, he bent down callously just

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just just wiped the knife off on either side, on

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top of that shirt, and then just tossed it as

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he walked back to his car and satisfied with his hunt,

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if you want to call it that. He then returned

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to the car, drove away back to the military base,

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where he got out, went to his bunk, and he

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took a nap. And I'm not surprised by that, I

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know it's it's I don't even know what the word

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is is it makes you just like visceral. You took

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a nap after you did that to a child. You

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took a nap. But I'm not surprised by this, Just

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so you understand that this is a very inhuman response

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to the killing of a child, taking a nap. But

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I want to explain something to you here, and I

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think it's important for the people of society to understand

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this in all of its brutality and hardness. But after

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a sadist like John kills and they experience the euphoria

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and the satisfaction of this murderous experience, the adrenaline and

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the dopamine levels that have been pumping through their veins

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while they're just excited this animalistic, just annihilation of a child,

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which we cannot I can't relate to that. I can't

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understand it, but I understand it, I guess from a

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scientific level if you want to go that route. But

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exhaustion becomes the byproduct of the high stakes quote unquote

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performance coming to an end. And so while I'm in

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no way humanizing this monster, in no way, shape or

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form to best equate it to something, I would say

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if you've ever been in a life or death emergency,

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maybe you had to fight for your life, maybe you

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had to do CPR or dial nine to one one.

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The exhaustion that comes afterwards, that complete exhaustion where your

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body gives out and you go limp, it's the same concept.

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It's almost like the come down after an extreme high

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of a drug addict. You know, they'll sleep for hours

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or days. It's that same concept, so to speak. But evil,

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just sickeningly evil. So what does a child killer do

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after they take a nap after brutally doing something like

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this to a child. I'm glad you asked, because you

461
00:27:45.599 --> 00:27:49.759
know I'm going to tell you. After he rested, got

462
00:27:49.759 --> 00:27:56.559
his strength back, he felt refreshed, he felt relaxed, and

463
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.720
so he got up, put on his eagles skin uniform,

464
00:28:01.920 --> 00:28:05.240
and he attended a boy scout meeting where he helped

465
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:10.039
and participated in all of the boy scouting events with

466
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:13.559
a group of young boys about the same age of

467
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:19.480
his victim that he just annihilated in a cornfield. So

468
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.279
based on this information that he readily gave police a

469
00:28:23.319 --> 00:28:26.200
search warrant for the barracks was issued, and when they

470
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:30.119
went through everything, they found some stuff of great importance,

471
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.480
including a bag that was right near John's bunk. It

472
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:38.440
contained a rope, but not just any rope. This was

473
00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:42.079
that rope and it matched that very unusual rope that

474
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:45.200
was used on young Danny and had been originally collected

475
00:28:45.200 --> 00:28:48.920
by police when his body was found, so that rope

476
00:28:48.920 --> 00:28:52.720
became very integral to this investigation. They also found some

477
00:28:52.880 --> 00:28:57.359
racy magazines, including one that told a story about killing

478
00:28:57.359 --> 00:29:01.799
a newsboy. Obviously these problems or not are types of magazines,

479
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:06.839
but you can almost envision him reading this magazine and

480
00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:10.160
building up this fantasy in his mind and then acting

481
00:29:10.200 --> 00:29:13.119
on it when the compulsion got you know, came to

482
00:29:13.200 --> 00:29:18.039
fruition and the right time and opportunity presented itself, seeing

483
00:29:18.079 --> 00:29:20.680
young Danny across the street just getting ready for his

484
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:25.400
paper route and come to find out, the FBI would

485
00:29:25.400 --> 00:29:30.200
actually come and clutch on this unusual rope because they

486
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:34.359
were eventually able to identify it. But it took extreme measures,

487
00:29:34.759 --> 00:29:38.759
extreme measures because the rope had not been made in

488
00:29:38.799 --> 00:29:43.480
the United States. It was actually made for military use,

489
00:29:43.519 --> 00:29:46.519
but in South Korea, and no, it was no wonder

490
00:29:46.519 --> 00:29:48.640
the local police and the FBI had a hard time

491
00:29:48.720 --> 00:29:51.680
iding where it came from because it was a manufactured overseas,

492
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.839
but they did. Eventually, I did it. And this is

493
00:29:56.880 --> 00:30:00.039
why I told you a moment ago that the a

494
00:30:00.160 --> 00:30:04.039
Scout master would have his flabbers gasted. It was not

495
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:08.000
actually just because of the arrest of John Jubert. It

496
00:30:08.039 --> 00:30:12.599
was that he had gotten the rope, the very rope

497
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:17.799
that he had used to bind and torture little Danny,

498
00:30:18.759 --> 00:30:24.359
from none other than Scout Master Shipman. They had used

499
00:30:24.359 --> 00:30:26.519
it on one of the boy Scout trips, one of

500
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:30.640
the camping out campouts that they did, and John took

501
00:30:30.680 --> 00:30:33.799
it from the camp out, and that poor boy Scout

502
00:30:33.839 --> 00:30:37.519
leader he must have I would almost passed out knowing

503
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:42.759
that he had initially defended John tooth and nail defended him.

504
00:30:42.799 --> 00:30:44.960
You've got the wrong guy. And then in turn to

505
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.519
find out that something he used during the commission of

506
00:30:49.559 --> 00:30:52.440
this crime was something given innocently by a Scout master

507
00:30:53.240 --> 00:30:56.759
to try to help children and teach children, but it

508
00:30:56.799 --> 00:31:00.319
was actually used in the demise of one. Obviously wasn't

509
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:02.960
his fault, but you can imagine that must have been

510
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:08.640
just heart wrenching. Also uncovered during those interviews that John

511
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:14.359
was giving was that his personal vehicle was in nineteen

512
00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:19.519
seventy nine Chevrolet Nova. But remember when he attacked the

513
00:31:19.519 --> 00:31:22.960
preschool teacher, it was a white vehicle. It didn't make

514
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:25.079
any sense as far as any other thing to do

515
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:27.960
with these young boys. But ask me what color his

516
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.119
actual vehicle, The nineteen seventy nine Chevrolet Nova was not

517
00:31:31.240 --> 00:31:35.880
the rental his vehicle, you guessed it. It was tan.

518
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:42.759
If you recall, Danny's own brother had told investigators a

519
00:31:42.799 --> 00:31:46.200
man in a tan vehicle had been following them days prior.

520
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:52.640
The car that was following those boys was John's and

521
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:55.319
it had been being it had been repaired. It was

522
00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.960
at the time of John's arrest it was in the

523
00:31:58.000 --> 00:32:00.640
shop being repaired. And that's why he was in that

524
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.960
white rental car when he attacked the preschool teacher. So

525
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:10.359
all I can say is yep, witnesses, eyewitnesses, for all

526
00:32:10.400 --> 00:32:12.359
the faults that can come out of it, sometimes it

527
00:32:12.440 --> 00:32:16.319
is spot on. And that very color car that many

528
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.880
witnesses claimed that they had seen a suspicious man prowling about,

529
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:24.279
as well as Danny's own young brother, they were right

530
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:28.599
that lead was real. The white car was just a

531
00:32:28.680 --> 00:32:32.759
rental Okay, Kelly, well, great, we know what happened to Danny?

532
00:32:33.160 --> 00:32:37.359
What about Christopher Walden? Was he responsible for Christopher Walden?

533
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:43.319
What happened there? Well, he was, because after he killed Danny,

534
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.720
I told you, he got his satisfaction of the killing.

535
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:52.559
Well weeks later, by December, John Jubert's urge to kill

536
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:57.799
was back. He was jones in for another young soul

537
00:32:57.960 --> 00:33:01.759
to take, and that morning he had taken from his

538
00:33:01.839 --> 00:33:05.079
military locker the very same knife, the exact same knife

539
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.960
that he had used to murder young Danny. He snatched

540
00:33:07.960 --> 00:33:10.720
it from his locker right before he left the barracks

541
00:33:10.720 --> 00:33:15.160
that cold morning. The way he found Christopher, though, was

542
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.400
not his initial plan. And I want to tell you

543
00:33:17.440 --> 00:33:20.880
this because I think it's very fruitful for us as

544
00:33:20.960 --> 00:33:24.599
parents if we have young children that ride buses or

545
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:27.839
that walk to school, pay attention to this, because he's

546
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:31.440
no unicorn of murder. Okay, He's just like all these

547
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:36.000
other song bitches walking around the way he found Christopher was.

548
00:33:36.039 --> 00:33:40.519
He first drove around two bus stops, known locations that

549
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:43.400
children would congregate in the morning to get on the bus.

550
00:33:43.880 --> 00:33:46.279
But the reason he didn't take any of those children

551
00:33:46.720 --> 00:33:51.240
is because none of those kids were alone. None of

552
00:33:51.279 --> 00:33:54.480
them were alone. If your child goes to the bus

553
00:33:54.480 --> 00:33:57.640
stop and is the only child at the bus stop,

554
00:33:57.920 --> 00:33:59.920
they need to be accompanied by someone at all time,

555
00:34:00.480 --> 00:34:05.039
a parent, another sibling, somebody. Please don't ever be that

556
00:34:05.079 --> 00:34:07.400
parent that thinks it's just an innocent thing to send

557
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:09.360
your kid to the bus stop, because on days like

558
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:14.639
this it wasn't. He shopped for children at bus stops

559
00:34:15.079 --> 00:34:17.840
when all the kids were in groups. He kept moving.

560
00:34:18.719 --> 00:34:23.000
He began to drive past the neighborhood schools looking for

561
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:26.639
a child alone, and that is when he came upon

562
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.760
little Christopher walking in the area of the Pawnee School.

563
00:34:34.199 --> 00:34:37.119
When he saw him, he parked his car at the

564
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:40.920
intersection of forty Eighth's and Margo Street. And again this

565
00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:45.000
was ahead of Christopher, and he waited for Christopher to

566
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.760
just come, you know, be bopping past him on his

567
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:51.480
way to school. Kids don't pay attention. Kids are not

568
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.440
going to pay attention walking to school. They don't want

569
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.239
to go. They're dragging their feet. They're on the way

570
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:59.239
to school. They're not thinking at six o'clock in the morning,

571
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:00.880
six thirty in the morning, that there's going to be

572
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:04.599
some killer looking for them. And you know, in a way,

573
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.920
thank God, hey God. Kids don't walk around feeling that way.

574
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.039
We as the parents, get to suffer that reality. So

575
00:35:11.159 --> 00:35:13.599
do you remember, though, in the first episode, how I

576
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.440
told you the police felt like the mo o or

577
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:19.719
the modus modus operanda that should be similar in the murders,

578
00:35:19.719 --> 00:35:21.480
and that's why at first they didn't think that these

579
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:25.800
were connected. Well, are you kind of seeing something here

580
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:29.360
that looks similar? Drive ahead of the kids, look for him,

581
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.199
park ahead, wait for them to walk to him. That way,

582
00:35:33.239 --> 00:35:36.239
he doesn't have to chase him down. His prey comes

583
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:40.039
straight to him. So John explained that he got out

584
00:35:40.559 --> 00:35:43.159
and he hurried behind Chris, asking him, hey man, hey man,

585
00:35:43.159 --> 00:35:44.679
stop for a second. The need to ask you something.

586
00:35:44.679 --> 00:35:46.960
Hey look, God, come see. Need to ask you something,

587
00:35:47.679 --> 00:35:49.719
and I want to tell you from a child's perspective.

588
00:35:50.199 --> 00:35:54.760
Christopher turned around, and what did Christopher see? An adult?

589
00:35:55.880 --> 00:36:00.039
He didn't see some ravenous, long fanged, toothed wear wolf. No,

590
00:36:00.599 --> 00:36:04.639
he saw an adult asking him to stop and turn around.

591
00:36:05.360 --> 00:36:09.400
So Christopher did as he was told, and he listened. Why.

592
00:36:09.679 --> 00:36:11.679
I don't know where you're from, and maybe it's different.

593
00:36:11.719 --> 00:36:13.480
I know it's different in places like New York and

594
00:36:13.519 --> 00:36:15.920
other places but in the South, we have a bad

595
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.880
habit of teaching our kids. If an adult tells you something,

596
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.760
you do it. I've had to amend that in my home.

597
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.320
If an adult that you know tells you to do something,

598
00:36:26.119 --> 00:36:28.599
and you know you're in the right place at the

599
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:30.719
right time, then you do it. If you don't know

600
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:33.119
an adult, you never go with them. If you don't

601
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.400
know an adult, you never listen to what they're telling

602
00:36:36.440 --> 00:36:38.519
you to do. As far as stop or change locations,

603
00:36:38.960 --> 00:36:41.639
please heed this morning. If you're listening to me, we

604
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:43.800
never think it will happen to us, and neither did

605
00:36:43.840 --> 00:36:48.599
these parents. But when little Christopher stopped, John repeated his

606
00:36:48.679 --> 00:36:50.760
method again. If it's broke, or if it's not broke,

607
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:54.039
don't fix it. Whenever the little boy stopped and turn around,

608
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:56.159
and John kind of was having the conversation with him

609
00:36:56.320 --> 00:36:57.840
when he got up close to him. That's when he

610
00:36:57.880 --> 00:37:00.679
pulled the knife out, shoved it in Christopher's face and said,

611
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:03.360
come with me or I will kill you. And little

612
00:37:03.440 --> 00:37:08.519
Christopher immediately went into shock, like unable to move, think

613
00:37:08.719 --> 00:37:12.280
or speak straight. Shock deer in the headlights could not

614
00:37:12.360 --> 00:37:15.559
believe what he was seeing, and John then grabbed him

615
00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:19.559
by his shoulder, not like in the movies where they

616
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:21.960
snatched the kid and they put a bag over their

617
00:37:22.000 --> 00:37:23.519
head and they run and they throw them in a

618
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.840
white van. No, it's not what it was. All he

619
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:29.719
did was take his strong hand and place it over

620
00:37:29.760 --> 00:37:32.480
the shoulder of this little boy and he started leading

621
00:37:32.559 --> 00:37:37.119
him to the car. And that is exactly what I witnessed.

622
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:41.360
Ryl Bumgardner, who called the police in episode one, said

623
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:44.519
that she had seen. She just misinterpreted it as a

624
00:37:44.599 --> 00:37:48.119
child being disciplined by their parent because he was fussing

625
00:37:48.159 --> 00:37:50.639
at the child and had his hand on his shoulder,

626
00:37:51.079 --> 00:37:53.920
not around his mouth. Can you see how that would

627
00:37:53.920 --> 00:37:58.559
be misinterpreted. And John even acknowledged in this interview that

628
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:01.679
he saw someone passing by them at this time, which

629
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:04.440
would have been Cheryl, and he eased up a little bit,

630
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:07.440
acting like they were just talking until she passed by.

631
00:38:07.800 --> 00:38:12.119
That is so damn scary. This was calculated every step

632
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:15.960
of the way. And when she passed, John then forced

633
00:38:16.039 --> 00:38:19.199
Christopher into the car, shoved him down on the floorboard

634
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:21.920
where no one could see his little head, and he said, well,

635
00:38:21.920 --> 00:38:24.840
that's when the little boy started crying. He started sobbing

636
00:38:25.079 --> 00:38:27.719
on the floorboard of this car, and John tore off

637
00:38:27.760 --> 00:38:31.000
with him. John turned down a dirt road. There were

638
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:34.079
these railroad tracks nearby, and that's where he stopped. It

639
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:37.480
was cold, there was snow on the ground. It was

640
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:39.760
still on the ground kind of piled up when they

641
00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.519
came to a stop, and he ordered the little boy

642
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:44.519
to get out of the car and said, get all

643
00:38:44.519 --> 00:38:47.679
your shit and bring it with you. So Christopher's crying.

644
00:38:47.760 --> 00:38:53.320
He wants his mom, and he puts his little booksack

645
00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.400
on and he does exactly as his captor tells him.

646
00:38:56.440 --> 00:38:58.840
He ordered him to get out, grab your stuff, and

647
00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:01.840
start walking down the tra and Christopher did exactly what

648
00:39:01.880 --> 00:39:05.760
he was told to do. And as they walked in silence,

649
00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:10.639
the desire to hurt the child, he said, it continued

650
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:15.039
to climb and climb until he couldn't take it anymore,

651
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:19.119
and he told him stop. Chris did. He turned around,

652
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:21.480
and he looked up at the man and he said,

653
00:39:21.519 --> 00:39:24.559
if you do everything that I say, nothing will happen

654
00:39:24.599 --> 00:39:28.480
to you. And so, clinging to that hope and believing

655
00:39:28.840 --> 00:39:32.639
his killer, the little boy did as he was told.

656
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:37.000
John forced him to undress except for his underwear, and

657
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:38.960
then he told him to lay down on the ground,

658
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:40.840
and he was told, I want you to lay down

659
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:42.800
and lie down on your back, but it was so

660
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.920
friggin cold, Christopher didn't want to and he said, no,

661
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.360
I'm cold. I don't want to lay down. And in

662
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:57.440
the words of a minimizer and a manipulator, John said

663
00:39:57.480 --> 00:40:01.440
to the investigators, that's when he quotes put his hands

664
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.679
on the kid's shoulders, around his neck and encouraged him

665
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:10.679
to lie down. Think about how this killer just said that,

666
00:40:10.719 --> 00:40:12.320
how he described what he was doing to a kid

667
00:40:12.400 --> 00:40:15.719
encouraged him to lie down. No, you piece of shit.

668
00:40:15.760 --> 00:40:17.519
You grabbed the kid by the throat and you slammed

669
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:19.719
him to the ground. It's exactly what you did. You

670
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:22.880
know it, I know it, and God knows it. And

671
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.000
once he had him on the ground, on his back

672
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:28.360
in the snow, that's when John put his knee on

673
00:40:28.480 --> 00:40:31.159
the little boy's chest with all of his weight. He

674
00:40:31.199 --> 00:40:34.840
placed his hands around Christopher's neck and he began strangling

675
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:38.360
the ever living life out of him. And John even

676
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:40.639
admitted he said, yeah, Chris began to struggle and the

677
00:40:40.679 --> 00:40:42.280
look on his face was like he was in pain

678
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.920
or something. You think, you think and don't act like,

679
00:40:46.199 --> 00:40:49.159
somehow you're taking this in as if oh, he was

680
00:40:49.199 --> 00:40:53.800
in pain. He enjoyed every single second of it. That's

681
00:40:53.840 --> 00:40:56.519
what he wanted. He wanted that fear and humiliation, and

682
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:59.480
in that child's face, he was eating it up. And

683
00:40:59.519 --> 00:41:02.519
then John would initially claim, oh, when that's when I

684
00:41:02.599 --> 00:41:05.000
stabbed him. He says, I stabbed him so he wouldn't

685
00:41:05.039 --> 00:41:08.079
suffer too much. But if you listen to the interrogation

686
00:41:08.159 --> 00:41:11.119
in its entirety, you find that's a total piece of

687
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:15.039
bullshit being served to you. Because he would later not realize,

688
00:41:15.039 --> 00:41:18.239
in contradicting himself, say well, it was actually really really

689
00:41:18.280 --> 00:41:20.280
cold as I tried to strangle and kill him, and

690
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.440
my hands started to get too cold where I couldn't

691
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:25.920
strangle him good, and that is why I decided to

692
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:29.119
stab him. My hands got cold and it took too

693
00:41:29.159 --> 00:41:31.920
long to actually strangle him to death, so I decided

694
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:36.079
to start stabbing him and slicing him to speed it up.

695
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.280
When when killers do this and then they try to

696
00:41:40.360 --> 00:41:43.320
minimize what they're doing, do not drink the kool aid,

697
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:49.480
do not. It's sick. He stabbed that child in the back,

698
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:52.679
and then John matter of factly said he also sliced

699
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:58.320
Christopher's throat. The coroner in that report too, and I

700
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:01.039
want to tell you this. The corner noted that Christopher

701
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:06.000
was absolutely one hundred percent still alive for seven of

702
00:42:06.039 --> 00:42:09.119
those stab wounds, and he said that he would have

703
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:13.519
remained alive and conscious as this was happening to him

704
00:42:13.760 --> 00:42:17.639
before gradually falling into a coma from blood loss and

705
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:21.679
the cold, and then he died from excessive blood loss.

706
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:26.960
And even worse is five of those wounds were in

707
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:32.400
what the doctor called thin skin, but they didn't penetrate deeply.

708
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.960
And what that should mean, if you're understanding what I'm

709
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.960
telling you, is that he tortured this child. Thin skin,

710
00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:42.159
very easy to stab through. He didn't stab like that

711
00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:44.480
on some of these. He just poked at that kid

712
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:46.360
while he was alive, so he would feel it and

713
00:42:46.400 --> 00:42:50.920
he would cry out. He tortured that baby, and then

714
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:54.360
again to ensure that he was dead. He then sliced

715
00:42:54.480 --> 00:42:57.360
the stomach a few times of the boy to see

716
00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.639
if he would react. I e. He carved an entire

717
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:05.199
picture into his stomach. Do you remember that, John says

718
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.639
he poked at the stomach. He carved a fucking image

719
00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:13.960
into the kid's stomach, and satisfied again with his kill,

720
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.119
he got back in his car. He drove straight back

721
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:19.079
to the barracks through the knife in a dumpster, and

722
00:43:19.119 --> 00:43:20.639
he said he went back to his room, where he

723
00:43:20.719 --> 00:43:24.719
again went to sleep. He took another nap. And you

724
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:29.159
know why. Now, this child suffered immensely and all for

725
00:43:29.320 --> 00:43:34.880
sadistic pleasure. There's no question about this. And I'm telling

726
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.679
you what happened in all of its brutal honesty. And

727
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:40.639
I know some people may not even have made it

728
00:43:40.719 --> 00:43:43.840
this far in the story. I know this is hard.

729
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:49.280
It should be, it should never be easy. But this child,

730
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:53.360
you're hearing the story, this child lived this, and then

731
00:43:53.400 --> 00:44:00.639
this child died this. The extreme psychological terror that these

732
00:44:00.719 --> 00:44:05.719
kids went through is also something that's often understated in

733
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.679
cases that are like this, because in comparison to the

734
00:44:08.719 --> 00:44:11.920
brutality of it all, it may seem a moot point.

735
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.960
But it isn't. And I'm telling you it's the very

736
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:20.440
part that mothers often can't get past when their children

737
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:25.880
are murdered, not that they died. Okay, With time and

738
00:44:25.920 --> 00:44:29.800
with grace and with therapy and with whatever else it takes,

739
00:44:30.679 --> 00:44:33.639
mothers can eventually cope. I'm not saying handle it well,

740
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:37.199
but mothers can eventually cope with the fact that their

741
00:44:37.280 --> 00:44:42.360
child is gone over time. But how they died is

742
00:44:42.440 --> 00:44:46.079
something that a mother always wants to know. Did they

743
00:44:46.119 --> 00:44:49.960
cry out for their mama or their daddy? The question

744
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:54.519
of did they suffer is something we all pray just

745
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:59.360
as human beings. Isn't the case, but in this one,

746
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:03.000
you can take it to the bank. These children suffered

747
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:07.039
in every aspect of the word. And I know I

748
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:10.679
have listeners and friends who are all over the spectrum

749
00:45:10.719 --> 00:45:14.119
on the death penalty. I am not here to try

750
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:18.320
to convince anybody of anything. Please know that whatever side

751
00:45:18.360 --> 00:45:21.239
of the spectrum you're on, whatever your thoughts are politically,

752
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:25.239
whatever your thoughts are spiritually, I don't care. Okay, I

753
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:29.039
love you regardless, And that's the facts. But the death

754
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:34.039
penalty as law, okay, it has multiple components that must

755
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:38.079
be met to give the sentence of death to a perpetrator,

756
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.760
but one stands out at this moment, and that component

757
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:48.960
is that the crime must be especially heinous, atrocious, and cruel.

758
00:45:49.159 --> 00:45:54.199
So you tell me does it qualify legally? Because I'm

759
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.960
genuinely baffled at some people who just can't agree that

760
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.559
it at least meets the muster of those components. And

761
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.960
you want to know the kicker to all of this,

762
00:46:06.039 --> 00:46:09.719
the very Air Force building that I mentioned, the poster

763
00:46:10.159 --> 00:46:13.440
of the suspects sketch that was hanging. Remember it was

764
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.880
hanging up in that building. Keep your eyes peeled. You

765
00:46:16.880 --> 00:46:21.199
remember that it was his unit. It was John Jubert's unit.

766
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.800
They walked past it every day. He walked past it

767
00:46:23.920 --> 00:46:27.920
every day, a reminder of his sick work. He took

768
00:46:27.960 --> 00:46:31.400
pleasure in it. No one thought anything about it. Why

769
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:35.320
this is another thing. Why didn't anyone think anything of it?

770
00:46:35.480 --> 00:46:40.280
Because killers don't work here, Killers don't join the military.

771
00:46:40.480 --> 00:46:44.880
Killers aren't teachers, killers aren't lawyers, killers aren't doctors, Killers

772
00:46:44.920 --> 00:46:49.599
aren't paint salesmen in that what we all think, isn't

773
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:55.599
it until they do. Don't ever think it cannot happen

774
00:46:55.639 --> 00:46:58.079
and will not happen. It has not happened in your

775
00:46:58.119 --> 00:47:01.599
neck of the woods. We've got to remain vigil So

776
00:47:01.639 --> 00:47:04.679
as the cases of Danny and Christopher seemed to be

777
00:47:04.760 --> 00:47:09.320
closing in terms of investigation, they would remain great examples

778
00:47:09.599 --> 00:47:15.519
at that time for continued teaching and education in law enforcement.

779
00:47:15.800 --> 00:47:19.920
Law enforcement uses these cases to learn from all cases

780
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:25.599
hold value and something in every case can be learned

781
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:29.440
from and is useful in future cases. And I stand

782
00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:32.480
by that. I still believe that to this day this

783
00:47:32.719 --> 00:47:36.400
case was no different. Okay. And so the FBI agent

784
00:47:36.480 --> 00:47:39.320
in this case, his name was FBI Agent Wrestler. Remember

785
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.159
he was the profiler at the time who came forward

786
00:47:42.239 --> 00:47:46.400
with all of those thoughts about what this killer would

787
00:47:46.400 --> 00:47:50.960
be like. Initially. Well, in the fall of nineteen eighty four,

788
00:47:51.519 --> 00:47:55.800
Agent Wrestler was using these cases and he was showing

789
00:47:55.840 --> 00:47:59.239
slides about them to a group of police officers teaching

790
00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:04.000
them during a training, and one of the officers commented

791
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:08.000
on how similar the case was to an unsolved crime

792
00:48:08.360 --> 00:48:11.000
in his jurisdiction. But it was in another state. It

793
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:15.400
was in Portland, Maine, and it had taken two years prior.

794
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.440
But he's like, damn man, this is so similar. It

795
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:21.880
was August twenty second of nineteen eighty two when eleven

796
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:26.000
year old Richard Stetson he went by Ricky. He had

797
00:48:26.039 --> 00:48:30.880
gone missing. They still had not solved this case. He

798
00:48:30.920 --> 00:48:33.880
was an athletic kid, and he loved to run and

799
00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:36.920
he loved to play and do sports well. He had

800
00:48:36.960 --> 00:48:39.320
decided to go for a jog in an area that

801
00:48:39.440 --> 00:48:43.000
was called back Cove, and this wasn't unusual for him,

802
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.159
and his parents had seen him there jogging. When they

803
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.719
drove past him in their car, they stopped and checked

804
00:48:48.719 --> 00:48:51.320
on him. They talked and before they drove off. You know,

805
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:53.159
make sure you're home before dark, buddy. That was the

806
00:48:53.239 --> 00:48:55.199
rules when I was a kid too, be home before

807
00:48:55.199 --> 00:48:56.599
the street lights come on and when they come on.

808
00:48:57.480 --> 00:49:01.440
So Ricky was this tiny, little red headed boy, had freckles,

809
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:03.719
and he was a good kid. He knew the rules

810
00:49:03.800 --> 00:49:06.840
be home by dark. And when he did not return

811
00:49:06.880 --> 00:49:10.519
as expected, his parents went out searching for him. But

812
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:13.280
when he was nowhere to be found, that's whenever they

813
00:49:13.320 --> 00:49:15.800
called the police, who immediately got involved because this was

814
00:49:15.800 --> 00:49:19.199
a miner, it was a young child, and this back

815
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:22.280
Cove area was a place where lots of people would

816
00:49:22.360 --> 00:49:25.360
walk and jog and ride bikes and walk their dogs.

817
00:49:25.360 --> 00:49:27.760
It was kind of a I guess happening area. Saw

818
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:29.519
the old one I said, it was a happening area,

819
00:49:29.599 --> 00:49:32.679
but people were there. So police went out to investigate

820
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.280
and they talked to people that were there. Possible witnesses,

821
00:49:35.480 --> 00:49:37.840
have you seen anything when you were out on the paths,

822
00:49:37.840 --> 00:49:40.199
have you seen this boy? And they were in luck

823
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:43.679
because plenty of people had seen him. They even described

824
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:45.840
his clothing to the cops. They said he was in

825
00:49:45.920 --> 00:49:49.039
gray sweatpants. They said he was mining his own business. Really,

826
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.880
he wasn't doing anything out of the ordinary. And they

827
00:49:51.880 --> 00:49:58.239
could also tell about the other people who were walking

828
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:00.639
and stuff that a lot of them had seen Ricky,

829
00:50:01.480 --> 00:50:05.400
So a lot of them had seen other people too, okay,

830
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:07.079
so they could identify, well, I saw this man, I

831
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:08.719
saw that woman, I saw this kid. And they're all

832
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:13.039
kind of given information. But one person that was out

833
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.440
walking said that he noticed that there was another male

834
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.119
that was out there riding a bike. He said it

835
00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:21.320
was a ten speed to be exact, and it seemed

836
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:23.280
like the guy on the bike was following Ricky. He

837
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:25.880
thought that they were together, but Ricky was out there

838
00:50:25.920 --> 00:50:28.280
by himself. He had not gone with any friends, so

839
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:30.880
it was kind of peculiar that this person would say that.

840
00:50:31.880 --> 00:50:34.840
Another witness said that he saw the same guy on

841
00:50:34.880 --> 00:50:37.840
that ten speed bike, but later on and coming back

842
00:50:38.039 --> 00:50:42.079
from the opposite direction of where Ricky had been running initially,

843
00:50:42.480 --> 00:50:45.519
but This was also later on, and the rider on

844
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:48.440
the bike was alone when he came back the opposite direction,

845
00:50:49.280 --> 00:50:52.000
and that made sense though, it made total sense because

846
00:50:52.079 --> 00:50:57.119
Ricky wasn't with anyone, so they wouldn't have been together anyway. Well,

847
00:50:57.159 --> 00:50:59.800
an old neighbor of Ricky, this guy's name was Philip

848
00:51:00.079 --> 00:51:03.400
the Zena. I believe how he would pronounce that. He

849
00:51:03.519 --> 00:51:06.840
also confirmed one hundred percent because he knew Ricky personally

850
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:09.639
he saw him jogging in this back cove area. But

851
00:51:09.760 --> 00:51:13.519
he also mentioned that unknown bicyclist and said it looked

852
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:16.360
like he was following him, and so this lead became

853
00:51:16.360 --> 00:51:20.480
a really solid one. Philip, that neighbor would even later

854
00:51:20.519 --> 00:51:23.760
agree to be hypnotized as a result of the request

855
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:25.760
of the police to see if he might could create,

856
00:51:25.840 --> 00:51:29.280
under hypnosis a better image of the guy on the bike.

857
00:51:30.559 --> 00:51:33.760
So the search continued though for little Ricky until it

858
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:35.719
was too dark to see, and then they had to

859
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:37.960
postpone it. Remember this is the eighties, they don't have

860
00:51:38.039 --> 00:51:41.039
drones and all of that back then. Until the next morning,

861
00:51:42.000 --> 00:51:45.199
well before the search would get underway. Really well, the

862
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:47.840
next morning, a woman who was on her way to work,

863
00:51:48.159 --> 00:51:50.920
she called police whenever she found someone on the side

864
00:51:50.920 --> 00:51:52.440
of the road. She said, it looks like there's been

865
00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:54.480
a hit and run or something like that. It's right

866
00:51:54.559 --> 00:51:58.280
near Tuky's Bridge and this bridge. If you're from the area,

867
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.079
you'll know what I'm talking about. But this is a

868
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:03.519
very important bridge because it connects back Cove to the

869
00:52:03.599 --> 00:52:07.599
other portions of Portland, so it has lots of traffic.

870
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:11.599
And the body that she found wasn't really hidden at all.

871
00:52:11.679 --> 00:52:13.480
It was lying in a patch of grass. That's why

872
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:15.559
she thought it was a hit and run. So police

873
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:18.280
responded to the area near the bridge, and as they

874
00:52:18.519 --> 00:52:22.159
got close, they realized this was anything but an accidental

875
00:52:22.320 --> 00:52:25.840
hit and run because this person had been viciously stabbed

876
00:52:26.360 --> 00:52:30.159
and someone had obviously taken his shirt off and then

877
00:52:30.199 --> 00:52:34.039
put it back on after the attack. That takes time,

878
00:52:34.440 --> 00:52:38.400
that's odd. They also noted that the sweatpants on this

879
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:42.920
person were pulled up way higher over his hips, not

880
00:52:43.000 --> 00:52:46.639
in the normal position. The clothing just wasn't right, and

881
00:52:46.679 --> 00:52:49.199
it was obvious the victim did not do this himself

882
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:52.000
as far as how he was dressed. But most notably

883
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.199
in that moment was the sweatpants were gray and this

884
00:52:55.239 --> 00:52:59.239
little victim had red hair, so as you can imagine.

885
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:04.000
At autopsy was confirmed that he didn't just die from

886
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:10.320
stab wounds, but this kid also died from strangulation. The

887
00:53:10.360 --> 00:53:13.840
stab wound though that the little boy had taken multiple

888
00:53:13.880 --> 00:53:17.400
but one of them was straight into his heart. Think

889
00:53:17.440 --> 00:53:19.800
of your heart, Touch your chest right now, think of

890
00:53:19.840 --> 00:53:22.639
where your heart is. A knife went straight through all

891
00:53:22.679 --> 00:53:26.639
of that, into his heart. It was also pretty obvious

892
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:29.079
that the boy had been bitten. He was bitten through

893
00:53:29.159 --> 00:53:32.719
his left calf, but then the assailant had sliced through

894
00:53:32.760 --> 00:53:34.719
the bite wound with a knife, trying to cut it

895
00:53:34.800 --> 00:53:38.480
up and destroy the image. But unfortunately for the suspect,

896
00:53:39.079 --> 00:53:40.760
he didn't do it too good of a job, and

897
00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:44.119
his teeth were very distinctive, and the bite mark was

898
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:47.119
hard enough that comparisons could be made if they were

899
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:51.000
ever able to find a suspect in this case. So

900
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:54.920
the victim was confirmed to be that of young Ricky

901
00:53:54.960 --> 00:54:00.679
Stetson and the police would investigate this case passionately. Nobody

902
00:54:00.719 --> 00:54:04.239
wants a child's murder like this, of this seriousness and

903
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.840
of brutality like this, to go unsolved, and eventually a

904
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:11.159
suspect was found and arrested. It was twenty four year

905
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:16.199
old Joseph Anderson from Westbrook. When the case was brought

906
00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:19.280
to a grand jury, okay, and a grand jury is

907
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.800
who listens to the case beforehand to determine whether they

908
00:54:21.800 --> 00:54:24.719
should go forward with prosecuting or not. The grand jury

909
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:28.760
agreed and they indicted this Joseph Anderson for Ricky's murder.

910
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:33.920
For eighteen months, he remained in jail, believed to be

911
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:39.239
the one responsible for this horrific child's death. But when

912
00:54:39.280 --> 00:54:42.800
it was all said and done, you can't deny the science.

913
00:54:43.599 --> 00:54:49.119
And when they compared his bitemark to the impressions taken

914
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:52.559
from Joseph's teeth to that biitemark on the body, they

915
00:54:52.639 --> 00:54:56.519
did not match at all, Like, not even close. It

916
00:54:56.599 --> 00:54:59.440
was not a match. Prosecutors had no choice but to

917
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.559
drop the charges and he would be released. So the

918
00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:07.000
case was now back open and unsolved. But you know,

919
00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:10.559
I can't help but think about Ricky's family. What must

920
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:13.320
they have felt, We've got the person. Never mind, we

921
00:55:13.360 --> 00:55:16.280
don't have the person. Okay, now he's released, and now

922
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.280
we have no one to hold accountable for your child's death.

923
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.599
All of this over an eighteen month period, that's a lot.

924
00:55:21.639 --> 00:55:26.960
It's taxing on the emotions. But now reviewing the slides

925
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:32.079
and the FBI presentation, it really roused the suspicion in

926
00:55:32.159 --> 00:55:36.239
that officer's mind. So they all wondered, wouldn't it be

927
00:55:36.280 --> 00:55:39.519
crazy if John Jubert ever lived in Maine? That would

928
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.400
be crazy. You know, it's a stretch. But the similarities

929
00:55:42.400 --> 00:55:45.719
were just too much alike to ignore. I mean, that

930
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:48.360
would just be wild, you know, a different state. What

931
00:55:48.440 --> 00:55:51.840
are the chances? Well, there was something that I didn't

932
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:55.280
tell you necessarily about a bite wound on Danny Eberley,

933
00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.159
and it was that the killer that had bitten him

934
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:06.159
all so sliced through that bite wound. What are the chances? Well,

935
00:56:06.679 --> 00:56:11.239
that astute officer should be commended commended for his attention

936
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:14.840
to this training from the FBI, because when they checked.

937
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:18.880
You will not believe this, but John Jubert not only

938
00:56:18.920 --> 00:56:22.320
had he lived in Maine, he was living there at

939
00:56:22.320 --> 00:56:27.079
the exact same time and the exact same area that

940
00:56:27.199 --> 00:56:30.840
young Ricky was in when he was murdered. This is

941
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:33.320
more than a clue. This was a lead that was

942
00:56:33.320 --> 00:56:36.920
beyond coincidence and it breathed new life right back into

943
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:42.239
now a third child's murder turned cold case, so immediately

944
00:56:42.519 --> 00:56:45.960
a warrant was cut and that this was to obtain

945
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.320
the dental impressions from John Jubert to compare against the

946
00:56:49.360 --> 00:56:51.840
bite wound's own Little Ricky. There was also a hair

947
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.559
that was taken from the scene that had been put

948
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:56.639
into evidence, so they also wanted to compare that hair.

949
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.159
So doctor Lowell Levine, he was the director of the

950
00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:03.800
forensic Science Unit for the New York State Police, he

951
00:57:03.880 --> 00:57:09.159
oversaw the comparison and he would make this final determination. Y'all.

952
00:57:10.119 --> 00:57:14.440
It was a positive match for John Jubert. He was

953
00:57:14.480 --> 00:57:17.360
one hundred percent. Well, I can't say that he was

954
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.119
ninety eight point five percent a match for the person

955
00:57:21.280 --> 00:57:25.480
who had bitten Little Ricky and left the bite mark. Also,

956
00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:31.159
that hair was also used as a match in this case.

957
00:57:31.920 --> 00:57:35.440
So soon after John Jewbert was indicted for Ricky Stetson's

958
00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:40.800
murder in addition to Danny and Christopher's. John Jubert was

959
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:46.239
a serial killer of children. Okay, but how does this happen?

960
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:49.800
Because I want to address this real quick. Why would

961
00:57:49.840 --> 00:57:55.679
a now twenty year old person just snap and start

962
00:57:55.800 --> 00:57:59.960
killing children? Because everyone has agreed he was a non violent,

963
00:58:00.519 --> 00:58:06.599
rather timid person. Well to all of the people who

964
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.360
said that he simply was not capable of violence, that

965
00:58:09.440 --> 00:58:12.719
he was quiet, and he was meek, and he was bullied,

966
00:58:13.679 --> 00:58:17.199
As is often the case, just because you aren't aware

967
00:58:17.239 --> 00:58:21.000
of something doesn't make it not so. Because I want

968
00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:23.840
to give all of my listeners a little history lesson

969
00:58:24.079 --> 00:58:26.039
on John Jewbert. You may or may not know this,

970
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.760
but after he was in police custody and he confessed

971
00:58:29.920 --> 00:58:34.960
to these killings, psychologists would begin their assessment, as would

972
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:40.639
an investigative reporter. Okay, and this reporter's name was Mark Pettitt.

973
00:58:40.920 --> 00:58:43.199
I'm going to get back to Mark Pettitt momentarily, but

974
00:58:43.239 --> 00:58:46.800
it's gonna matter. But here are some findings and admissions

975
00:58:46.840 --> 00:58:50.519
from John, who everyone in their friggin' mama says wasn't

976
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:56.519
violent at age six. John had started fantasizing about killing

977
00:58:56.719 --> 00:59:01.480
his babysitter when he was eleven or two twelve. That's

978
00:59:01.519 --> 00:59:06.079
whenever his thoughts turned to strangling and stabbing boys, girls

979
00:59:06.119 --> 00:59:08.239
and young women. You're like, well, so, what Kelly, I

980
00:59:08.320 --> 00:59:10.079
mean just because you thought that he still doesn't mean

981
00:59:10.119 --> 00:59:13.800
he was violent. Well hold your frickin' starbucks, okay, Because

982
00:59:13.800 --> 00:59:17.599
on December twelfth of nineteen seventy nine, a six year

983
00:59:17.639 --> 00:59:21.360
old girl named Sarah Canty was playing outside of her home.

984
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:23.639
When she was playing with a little football when she

985
00:59:23.719 --> 00:59:26.480
dropped it, and when she ran over and she bent

986
00:59:26.559 --> 00:59:30.599
down to pick it up, an unknown suspect rode by

987
00:59:30.800 --> 00:59:33.840
on a bicycle and stabbed her in the back with

988
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:38.800
a screwdriver and then rode off. So she ran inside crying,

989
00:59:39.480 --> 00:59:40.880
and so her parents are like, what do you mean

990
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:42.599
they're ripping off of her clothes. When they get her

991
00:59:42.599 --> 00:59:45.280
top off, that's when they realize, oh my god, she

992
00:59:45.360 --> 00:59:48.559
has been stabbed, and they rushed her to the hospital.

993
00:59:48.880 --> 00:59:51.920
She was treated and she did survive. They never made

994
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:55.079
an arrest on that. Guess who did it? John Jubert.

995
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.679
He admitted to it now, and he said the reason

996
00:59:58.679 --> 01:00:00.239
that he did it was because it made him fel

997
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:05.480
sexually stimulated when she shrieked out in pain. And then

998
01:00:05.719 --> 01:00:08.920
on January twenty fourth of nineteen eighty, twenty seven year

999
01:00:08.920 --> 01:00:12.280
old Vicki Goff was walking on Deering Avenue towards the

1000
01:00:12.360 --> 01:00:14.440
University of Southern Maine. She was going to a creative

1001
01:00:14.440 --> 01:00:17.280
writing class. It was about seven pm when a young

1002
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:19.599
man just came walking past her and she said hi.

1003
01:00:19.679 --> 01:00:22.199
He nodded, hey, how are you as they passed each other,

1004
01:00:22.719 --> 01:00:25.760
and then right as he passed her, he grabbed her

1005
01:00:25.760 --> 01:00:28.119
from behind, put his hand over her mouth, and began

1006
01:00:28.239 --> 01:00:31.679
stabbing her in the side with a knife. She didn't

1007
01:00:31.679 --> 01:00:33.519
realize she was stabbed in the moment she said why

1008
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:35.599
did you do that? Because she thought he had punched her,

1009
01:00:36.360 --> 01:00:39.039
And then the man ran away before she collapsed and

1010
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:42.079
started bleeding out, so she got rushed to the hospital.

1011
01:00:42.119 --> 01:00:44.480
She had to have surgery for a punctured kidney, but

1012
01:00:44.639 --> 01:00:47.360
she lived. No one was ever arrested for that, but

1013
01:00:47.400 --> 01:00:51.400
guess who did it? John Jubert March twenty fourth of

1014
01:00:51.480 --> 01:00:54.280
nineteen eighty Michael with him. He was nine years old.

1015
01:00:54.800 --> 01:00:57.000
He was kind of beckoned over to the woods. Hey

1016
01:00:57.039 --> 01:01:00.000
come see. It was again near that same Deering Avenue.

1017
01:01:00.239 --> 01:01:02.280
There was a guy on a bicycle, and so when

1018
01:01:02.280 --> 01:01:03.920
he ran over there, the guy said, come see, I

1019
01:01:04.119 --> 01:01:05.639
I want to ask you something. Where are you going?

1020
01:01:06.320 --> 01:01:08.559
When the little boy, Michael, when he got close at

1021
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.119
one point he kind of turned to look off to

1022
01:01:10.159 --> 01:01:12.440
the side, and right when he did, he was slashed

1023
01:01:12.480 --> 01:01:15.880
in the throat with an exacto knife. He grabbed his

1024
01:01:15.920 --> 01:01:19.280
throat and he ran home bleeding. It took twelve stitches

1025
01:01:19.480 --> 01:01:24.079
to close his throat. No one was ever arrested for that.

1026
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:27.760
Guess who did it, John Jebbert. The crimes in the

1027
01:01:27.800 --> 01:01:30.679
news were grouped together and they would call this suspect.

1028
01:01:30.679 --> 01:01:33.360
They dubbed him the Woodford slasher, and he loved it.

1029
01:01:33.360 --> 01:01:34.920
He thought that was great. He knew he was the

1030
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.840
Woodford slasher as a young kid. So remember when I

1031
01:01:38.880 --> 01:01:41.280
told you that the police really expected the same mo

1032
01:01:41.639 --> 01:01:45.079
of this killer. Did these sound familiar and or consistent?

1033
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.400
The police knew what they were talking about, They just

1034
01:01:47.559 --> 01:01:51.639
didn't know he was responsible. All of these violent crimes

1035
01:01:51.800 --> 01:01:57.320
began around the age of thirteen. John Jewbert had been dangerous.

1036
01:01:57.880 --> 01:02:00.719
This wasn't new, He just didn't add advertise it. And

1037
01:02:00.760 --> 01:02:03.719
he wasn't caught for it either. Because evil people don't

1038
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:06.800
wear bleaking fucking lights to say, hey look at me,

1039
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.719
I'm evil. They blend in. I've had people in my

1040
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:12.760
own life doing life sentences now who I thought were

1041
01:02:12.760 --> 01:02:16.519
good people, and they're not. They're monsters. It's a part

1042
01:02:16.519 --> 01:02:21.079
of the game. By the way, other testing showed that

1043
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:23.679
John Jubert could read when he was three years old.

1044
01:02:24.239 --> 01:02:26.360
He had started they checked out books from the library.

1045
01:02:26.559 --> 01:02:29.280
By the age of five, he was reading and reportedly

1046
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:31.960
had an IQ of one p twenty three that put

1047
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:36.119
him in the superior range according to reports. So he

1048
01:02:36.239 --> 01:02:41.519
was a very calculated kid, and a very calculated young adult,

1049
01:02:42.079 --> 01:02:46.639
and a very cunning adult to be very clear, And

1050
01:02:46.679 --> 01:02:51.639
in terms of the families of the victims, there wasn't

1051
01:02:51.679 --> 01:02:57.119
necessarily satisfaction when he finally was caught. Relief but not satisfaction,

1052
01:02:58.000 --> 01:03:01.719
and much like the Coburger killings react in the Idaho family,

1053
01:03:01.880 --> 01:03:04.960
some were happy, some weren't okay that he could possibly

1054
01:03:04.960 --> 01:03:08.440
get the death penalty. But guess what, John Jubert was

1055
01:03:08.519 --> 01:03:12.639
caught first in Nebraska for those the killings of Danny

1056
01:03:12.639 --> 01:03:16.719
and Christopher, that meant that the death penalty was on

1057
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:20.719
the table, whereas in Maine it was not. That meant

1058
01:03:20.840 --> 01:03:23.239
if John Jebert would have been caught first in Maine,

1059
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:25.719
he would not have had the possibility of being put

1060
01:03:25.760 --> 01:03:28.840
to death. So even saying this is kind of sad,

1061
01:03:28.880 --> 01:03:32.559
but in reality, if he would have been caught in Maine,

1062
01:03:32.599 --> 01:03:35.159
maybe Danny and Christopher would still be alive. But at

1063
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:37.440
least the way the cards fell, he had the opportunity

1064
01:03:37.480 --> 01:03:41.119
for the death penalty, So you know, I guess maybe

1065
01:03:41.159 --> 01:03:42.599
in a weird way, it panned out kind of well.

1066
01:03:42.840 --> 01:03:45.800
But the families were torn over what they wanted. And literally,

1067
01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.599
the best explanation I've ever heard from a family member

1068
01:03:48.639 --> 01:03:51.599
in this case was whenever one of the sisters of

1069
01:03:51.599 --> 01:03:54.320
the victim said, look, if it would bring my brother

1070
01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:57.920
back to kill John Juwbert, then yes, kill him. But

1071
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.679
it won't. So I don't know if I want to

1072
01:04:00.760 --> 01:04:03.320
kill him or not. And I get that, you know,

1073
01:04:03.440 --> 01:04:07.119
it doesn't solve anything necessarily, but John Jubert, just so

1074
01:04:07.159 --> 01:04:11.239
you know, he'll never face trial. In July of nineteen

1075
01:04:11.280 --> 01:04:14.039
eighty four, he pled guilty to two counts of murder

1076
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:17.480
and he was sentenced to death in Nebraska, and then

1077
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.480
later he would be convicted in Portland for Little Ricky's

1078
01:04:20.519 --> 01:04:23.320
death and given a life sentence, but the death sentence

1079
01:04:23.360 --> 01:04:27.519
will supersede the life sentence. So he spent twelve years

1080
01:04:27.800 --> 01:04:31.119
on death row. And so from there he would speak

1081
01:04:31.159 --> 01:04:33.400
out and he would say that he doesn't think anyone

1082
01:04:33.480 --> 01:04:37.599
deserves to die, and the death penalty isn't being administered fairly,

1083
01:04:38.280 --> 01:04:41.320
so since it doesn't deter anything, it doesn't stop anything.

1084
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.079
He just didn't think that he should be he should

1085
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:48.159
be killed. He just he said, I didn't ever think

1086
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:50.800
about getting caught or about the death penalty. He said,

1087
01:04:50.800 --> 01:04:53.280
I just was acting out of obsession. And his argument

1088
01:04:53.320 --> 01:04:54.960
was basically, what good would it do to kill me?

1089
01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:56.960
And he looks in the camera and says, and I'm

1090
01:04:56.960 --> 01:04:58.679
gonna put all this on Patreon for you too. He

1091
01:04:58.719 --> 01:05:01.760
looks at the camera and says, I'll sign anything that

1092
01:05:01.800 --> 01:05:03.679
you want me to sign. That says, I'll never leave

1093
01:05:03.719 --> 01:05:07.280
prison again if they just won't put me to death. Okay,

1094
01:05:07.320 --> 01:05:09.039
I'm not trying to get out of here. And that

1095
01:05:09.159 --> 01:05:11.480
was funny to me. I'n't even gonna laugh like that's

1096
01:05:11.559 --> 01:05:16.840
funny to me, because, if I remember correctly, Danny Eberly

1097
01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:21.159
said the same thing. He screamed and cried out as

1098
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:24.079
a child dying. Take me to the hospital. I won't

1099
01:05:24.119 --> 01:05:28.079
say a word. His exact words were. John Jebert's exact

1100
01:05:28.159 --> 01:05:32.039
words were, I didn't believe him. Well, guess what, motherfucker,

1101
01:05:32.199 --> 01:05:35.880
I don't believe you either, John Jubert, Sorry, not sorry.

1102
01:05:36.559 --> 01:05:39.119
More psychologists would get involved too, and they would diagnose

1103
01:05:39.199 --> 01:05:43.760
John as a schizoid personality disorder with obsessive compulsive disorder,

1104
01:05:43.920 --> 01:05:46.920
and every psychologist agreed that he was a high risk

1105
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:50.519
of repeating crimes. And people who think, oh, he was

1106
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:53.400
young when this happened, he changed as an adult. Because

1107
01:05:53.480 --> 01:05:57.719
John was very firm that he would never do this again. Ever, well,

1108
01:05:57.960 --> 01:06:00.000
I need to just break something off to you here.

1109
01:06:00.199 --> 01:06:03.840
When a predator is in a well controlled environment without

1110
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:08.880
access to children, of course he seems rehabilitated. He's unable

1111
01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:13.519
to reoffend by default, but you can trust that they

1112
01:06:13.599 --> 01:06:17.159
will resume the violence if given the opportunity. Now, John disagreed,

1113
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:21.000
I'll never kill again. I could never harm anyone direct quote.

1114
01:06:21.159 --> 01:06:24.719
He had empathy for others, he said, where it was

1115
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.960
absent for him, and he also had found love behind

1116
01:06:27.960 --> 01:06:31.159
bars too. Her name was Teresa O'Brien, and she was

1117
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:32.880
quoted as saying, no one wants to see him as

1118
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:37.760
anything other than a monster. Well, to Teresa, I have

1119
01:06:37.840 --> 01:06:40.440
this to say, have you ever seen a tiger behind

1120
01:06:40.440 --> 01:06:44.360
the bars at a zoo? Because they walk around, they

1121
01:06:44.400 --> 01:06:48.559
don't cause problems. They do what tigers do. They eat

1122
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:51.599
the meals that are prepared for them. They nap okay.

1123
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:55.039
But my question to you, Teresa, would be are they

1124
01:06:55.159 --> 01:07:00.719
reformed predators or are they limited by the restrictions of confinement.

1125
01:07:01.719 --> 01:07:05.119
I'll let you decide. You figure that out, because I've

1126
01:07:05.119 --> 01:07:08.039
seen plenty of stories where people jump in the in

1127
01:07:08.119 --> 01:07:12.320
the cages with them and they don't walk out. Now,

1128
01:07:12.360 --> 01:07:16.159
remember that investigative reporter, that author reporter I told you

1129
01:07:16.199 --> 01:07:19.199
about named Mark Pettitt. I mentioned him a few minutes ago. Well,

1130
01:07:19.280 --> 01:07:22.360
he would actually write a book. He would dedicate years

1131
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:26.079
to this John Jebert situation. And he wrote a book

1132
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.239
called A Need to Kill And I want you to

1133
01:07:28.280 --> 01:07:30.360
go read it if you haven't, it's a pretty good read.

1134
01:07:30.679 --> 01:07:35.840
And he spends lots of time interviewing John Jubert. Now, John,

1135
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:38.400
when he was being interviewed by Mark, he spent a

1136
01:07:38.440 --> 01:07:41.480
lot of time talking not only about himself but also

1137
01:07:41.559 --> 01:07:44.480
his crimes. Now, I want to point something out to you.

1138
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:50.159
This was before he was ever convicted of Ricky Stetson's murder.

1139
01:07:50.639 --> 01:07:53.639
Just Danny and Christopher were being dealt with at that time.

1140
01:07:53.679 --> 01:07:57.440
This is before all of that. And Mark asked him directly,

1141
01:07:58.320 --> 01:08:04.760
did you talking about Ricky? And his quote response, I

1142
01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:08.960
can't lie to you. I can't say I didn't do it.

1143
01:08:09.000 --> 01:08:12.480
Does that sound like someone who's feeling sad about it?

1144
01:08:13.400 --> 01:08:15.480
Or does that sound someone with a little bravado on

1145
01:08:15.519 --> 01:08:17.119
their chest. Well, I can't lie to you. I can't

1146
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.560
say I didn't do it. Does that sound like someone

1147
01:08:19.560 --> 01:08:22.960
who's reformed because he won't even admit to it, knowing

1148
01:08:23.000 --> 01:08:25.800
good and damn well he did it. John then said

1149
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:29.000
in further interviews and stuff, that he acts out. That's

1150
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:32.199
what he calls it. He acts out when he feels stressed. Well,

1151
01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:34.880
my understanding of acting out differs from John, I think

1152
01:08:34.920 --> 01:08:38.560
because to me, acting out means mouthing off or you know,

1153
01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:40.760
getting out of line in a classroom, whenever you're being

1154
01:08:40.800 --> 01:08:44.199
a little too rowdy. It never meant murder a child ever.

1155
01:08:45.560 --> 01:08:49.159
So once he was settled into prison life, okay, he

1156
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:53.279
told some media outlets that he was getting taunted and

1157
01:08:53.520 --> 01:08:57.479
teased just like he was subjected to at school as

1158
01:08:57.520 --> 01:09:01.760
a kid. And I'm like, dude, you're in prison, okay,

1159
01:09:01.800 --> 01:09:04.399
and you're getting treated accordingly because you're a little bitch

1160
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:07.800
who kills children. So I don't feel sorry for you.

1161
01:09:08.039 --> 01:09:10.600
But here was the main reason that I brought up

1162
01:09:10.680 --> 01:09:15.760
Bob Pettitt's work. It actually would become integral in punishment

1163
01:09:16.399 --> 01:09:22.479
because Mark Pettitt was called to testify in John Jewbert's

1164
01:09:22.640 --> 01:09:27.960
murder trial for little Ricky Stetson, because he testified that

1165
01:09:28.079 --> 01:09:31.840
John told him firsthand that the bite mark on Danny

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01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:35.319
Eberly's left thigh. He told him one on one he

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01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:37.960
had used a knife to try and hide the mark

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01:09:38.159 --> 01:09:41.800
by cutting it or carving it. And the trial court

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01:09:41.840 --> 01:09:45.000
admitted the evidence on the grounds that that was his

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quote unquote signature move on these kids, evidence that proved

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01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.239
Jubert was the killer of Ricky Stetson. At least it

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01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.119
had been made that link. And I laughed about it

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01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.560
because he was so proud to talk about this, and

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01:09:59.560 --> 01:10:03.520
then it backfired huge whenever he was called to actually

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01:10:03.560 --> 01:10:06.479
pay for what he did. So good job, Mark Pettitt.

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01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:10.600
I'm a fan your investigative reporting where old boy was

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01:10:10.600 --> 01:10:13.439
puffing his chest and talking ended up backfiring on his

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01:10:13.520 --> 01:10:15.840
ass in court, and I love it. I love every

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01:10:15.840 --> 01:10:19.199
bit of it. When the date came for John Jubert

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01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:22.239
to be executed, he spent his final days visiting with

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01:10:22.399 --> 01:10:26.279
friends and family, unlike his victims, who he left alone

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01:10:26.359 --> 01:10:28.920
in the snow and in the elements to bleed to death.

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And I was irritated by John Jebert's responses to some

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01:10:33.960 --> 01:10:36.439
of the interviews, so I want to touch on these

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01:10:36.479 --> 01:10:39.319
just briefly. When they asked him about his crimes, he says, well,

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01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:44.279
when they picked up the bodies, the bodies, he didn't

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01:10:44.279 --> 01:10:46.880
even refer to them as the boys or I don't

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01:10:46.880 --> 01:10:48.880
know what about their names. He just refers to them

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01:10:48.880 --> 01:10:52.159
as the bodies. He doesn't give life to these kids,

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that they were actual people, and he wanted to tell

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01:10:56.680 --> 01:10:59.840
everybody when it was coming down to his last days,

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01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:01.720
he says, I did a lot more good in my

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01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:06.399
life than just killing killing these boys. Those are my words,

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but he said he did a lot more in his life. Well,

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good for you. I'm glad you did a whole lot more, John,

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because the kids never got a chance to whoop do do?

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And when asked why should we listen to you, John,

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when you didn't listen and spare the boys he's his

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01:11:24.760 --> 01:11:28.560
answer was quote, because you're not me, You're not a killer.

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And I hung on that because wait a minute, I

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01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:35.520
thought you were a reformed John. I thought that wasn't you,

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And that, my friends, is present progressive. If an English

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01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.520
teacher is out there, I think it's present progressive, but

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01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.760
you're not a killer, implying that he is and still

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01:11:46.800 --> 01:11:51.239
will be. So I want to leave with this. When

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01:11:51.319 --> 01:11:56.319
people show you who they are, please believe them. I'm

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01:11:56.359 --> 01:12:02.359
not advocating hate. I am advocating reality. Not everyone is redeemable.

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I'm sorry. They may improve, and in this I mean

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01:12:08.439 --> 01:12:13.039
they won't kill anymore, okay, but not everybody is rehabilitated.

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On November seventeenth, nineteen ninety six, John Jubert was fed

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01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:20.960
his last meal. He got pizza with green peppers and onions,

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01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:26.199
strawberry cheesecake, and black coffee. He did make a final statement,

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and this is what he said. I just want to

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01:12:29.600 --> 01:12:32.760
say that again. I'm sorry for what I've done. I

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01:12:32.840 --> 01:12:35.199
do not know if my death will change anything or

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01:12:35.239 --> 01:12:38.039
if it will bring anyone peace. I asked the families

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01:12:38.039 --> 01:12:42.399
of Danny Eberley, Christopher Walden, and Richard Stetson to please

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01:12:42.479 --> 01:12:46.000
find some peace and ask the people of Nebraska to

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01:12:46.079 --> 01:12:49.600
forgive me. That's all. And then he turned to his

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01:12:49.640 --> 01:12:53.640
girlfriend and he mouthed I love you to her. The

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01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:56.800
switch was then flipped, and yes, I said the switch

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01:12:56.880 --> 01:13:00.319
because John Jewbert became the one hundred and twenty third

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01:13:00.359 --> 01:13:04.600
person executed by electrocution. And I would love to say

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that it ends there, but it doesn't. I can't a

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01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:11.479
few more things. While the final statement was nice and all,

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01:13:12.199 --> 01:13:15.960
here's what he also failed to say. When he was

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thirty three years old, he told the Omaha World Herald quote,

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it was the power and the domination and seeing the

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01:13:22.439 --> 01:13:28.840
fear that excited me most. End quote Mark Pettitt. That

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01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:31.800
journalist interviewed him seven times on death Row, and he

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01:13:31.840 --> 01:13:35.079
asked him what goes through your mind these days? And

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01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:38.359
his answer was to be honest, I'm still having fantasies

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01:13:38.359 --> 01:13:42.920
about killing more children. End quote. He also then offered

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01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:46.560
up his sketches that he drew of his fantasies of

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01:13:46.680 --> 01:13:49.880
killing children, and I'm gonna post those sketches again for

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01:13:49.920 --> 01:13:51.840
you on patreons. You can check them out. Does that

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01:13:52.000 --> 01:13:54.159
sound like someone who is sorry for what they did?

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Because he could have used that paper and pen to

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01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:01.720
write an apology letter or or anything else for that matter,

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but he chose to spend his time on death Row

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drawing the violent death of children. And I can't help

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01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:12.520
but in this moment, think of Jackie Kennedy, because you know,

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01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:15.760
after John Kennedy was murdered, she didn't hide it from anyone.

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01:14:15.760 --> 01:14:19.119
She said, let them see, let them see. And when

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01:14:19.159 --> 01:14:22.840
Emmett Till was brutally murdered by a group of racist men,

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01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.640
his mama didn't hide his body that was battered and

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01:14:25.680 --> 01:14:28.960
bruised either, she said, let them see what they have done.

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01:14:30.039 --> 01:14:32.520
Those are some strong women, and their words still ring

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01:14:32.560 --> 01:14:35.239
true today. Well, here in the real world where I

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01:14:35.399 --> 01:14:39.560
sit with this experience, I'm telling you these cases even

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01:14:39.640 --> 01:14:42.600
though they're extremely hard, because they force us to see it,

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01:14:42.920 --> 01:14:47.000
all of it. Not a blanket statement that you know

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01:14:47.119 --> 01:14:49.720
of what may have happened from the mouth of a murderer.

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01:14:50.119 --> 01:14:52.159
And then end it and pretty with this pretty bow

1255
01:14:52.239 --> 01:14:55.000
that's tied up in an execution. That's not truth. That's

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01:14:55.000 --> 01:14:59.560
a fairy tale. A killer like John Jubert left a

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01:14:59.600 --> 01:15:04.039
wake destruction in so many lives. He ended three innocent ones,

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01:15:04.439 --> 01:15:07.560
and then he had the audacity to beg for mercy

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01:15:07.760 --> 01:15:11.680
when he was faced with consequences, with real consequences, for

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01:15:11.760 --> 01:15:15.720
what he had done. So killers like him can beg

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01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:19.760
the world to look away. They can scrub their lives

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01:15:19.880 --> 01:15:22.520
until their hands shine for all I give a shit,

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01:15:22.760 --> 01:15:28.479
But reality does not take requests it rips off the curtain,

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01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:32.000
It points, and it says there, there it is. Look

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01:15:32.039 --> 01:15:34.680
at all that he did. Look at all of the truth,

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01:15:35.079 --> 01:15:37.560
not just this finite little story told in a thirty

1267
01:15:37.600 --> 01:15:42.359
second snippet on a news you know, a newscast, every

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01:15:42.560 --> 01:15:47.439
morsel of pain, every lack of humanity. Look at what

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01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:50.560
he's done. Because people don't want to see it. But

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01:15:51.000 --> 01:15:53.640
but the families do not have the luxury of looking

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01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:56.000
away like the rest of us. So when it's all

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01:15:56.039 --> 01:15:58.880
said and done, there is power in truth, and there

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01:15:58.960 --> 01:16:02.079
is power in the whole truth. When killers bury it,

1274
01:16:02.520 --> 01:16:04.760
I want to dig it up. When killers want to

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01:16:04.840 --> 01:16:07.079
hide it, I want to put a spotlight on it.

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And most of all, when they pick on children as

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01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:14.720
they're victims, where they request understanding, I'd rather we provide

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01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:15.720
them underground.