Jan. 20, 2026

The Knoxville Nightmare: Christa Pike & The Murder of Coleen Slemmer

The Knoxville Nightmare: Christa Pike & The Murder of Coleen Slemmer
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Season 9

In this episode of Unspeakable, KJ dives into the harrowing 1995 murder of 19-year-old Colleen Slemmer, a case that shocked Knoxville and landed a teenage killer on death row. Driven by jealousy and dark obsessions, 18-year-old Christa Pike, along with her accomplices, lured Colleen into a secluded spot for what was supposed to be a peace offering—but turned into a night of unimaginable torture and brutality that led to Christa Pike being the only female on Tennessee’s Death Row.

#unspeakable #podcast #christapike #crime #truecrime #tennessee #coleenslemmer

Timestamps
06:29 Colleen's Life and Aspirations
09:07 Job Corps Experience
10:19 Discovery of a Body
16:22 Autopsy Revelations
25:35 Forensic Analysis
38:26 Mother’s Heartbreaking Realization
41:17 Identifying the Victim

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable.

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Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. In three,

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Hey y'all, kJ You're back with another episode of Unspeakable.

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How's your week?

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How is it going? Mine's great. I feel for some

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reason like really renewed, really refreshed, and really excited for

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the year and to give y'all some amazing content and

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this episode is gonna be no different. But first I

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have got to do some shout outs from Texas all

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the way to Arizona. So if your name is Shannon

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Schmidt and you are in Silsby, Texas, this one is

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for you.

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My friend, Thank you for joining my Patreon.

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How are things over in Silsby? I hope that they're

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They're fantastic. And then we're gonna go to Port Allen, Louisiana,

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where we've got Miss Kim Lemoyne.

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Hi, Kim, you're right down the road from me.

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You need to stop buy some time so that I

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can meet you, since you're so close. And then in Sabbatis, Maine, Sabbat,

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and I had to look this one up because I

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was afraid I was gonna say it wrong. So if

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I said it wrong, blame the news because I listened

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to them say it. But Jessica mcconvill or McConville, however

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you pronounced that one. Hi, Jessica, how are things all

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the way over there in Maine. I hope you're eating

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some lobster and things are just fantastic for you as well.

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And then in Mankato, Minnesota, j C. McLeod, how are you?

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I mean, all I can say is how are you?

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Because I I haven't got to meet y'all yet, But

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please talk to me on Patreon.

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That is me.

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There's no team, it's his I and I would love

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to speak with you and answer your questions and interact

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with you. So please be feel free to reach out

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to me, talk to me. There's private chats and there's

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prompts on there and things that we can talk about.

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And then, last, but certainly not least, for today, we're

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gonna go to Santan Valley, Arizona, where Mark Porto is. Hello, Mark,

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I hope that you are just living it up and

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things are going well in your neck of the woods.

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I'm waving to you on camera. Thank you from the

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bottom of my heart for supporting my podcast. This is

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how I'm able to keep doing this because y'all are

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helping me to make my dreams come true. Now for

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the story, we're gonna head to Tennessee, where there is

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a case so vile and so unbelievable that it is

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a notorious one. Okay, so this might be something you

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may know about, but you have to trust your girl

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that I'm going to do this story some more, some

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more justice than you might already think, you know, and

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it's one that currently right now is back in the news.

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So as such, you know, I want to give you

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the whole story, not just the not just the headlines,

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the whole thing. So I want you to strap in,

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keep your arms and legs in the vehicle at all

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times while we are in motion here, and let's handle

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this one.

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So job Core have you ever heard of that? Have

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you ever been a part of job Corp? If so,

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I don't know, you.

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Might you might look at me kind of squirrely as

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I get into this episode, But I want to discuss

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what it is for a second.

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What is job Core.

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Well, basically, this is an education program that was formed

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years back for sixteen to twenty four year olds in

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which career training is given. So there's tons of campuses

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around the US today, there's like one hundred and twenty

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of them nationwide, but the one that we're going to

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be talking about is going.

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To be located in Knoxville, Tennessee.

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And while the program began as an amazing opportunity for

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young people to gain worldly skills that were in demand,

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which is huge, the program started to take a shift

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in around the nineties and that shift wasn't really for

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the better. So the classes that they offer there are unique,

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so students can get benefits while they're also getting their education.

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And by benefits, I mean things like room and board, food,

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you know, all that kind of stuff. And it's free, okay,

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So it's funded by the federal government. And the concept

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here was that people could or young people could go

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in and even if they were low income, this would

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be an absolute blessing because they may not be able

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to afford trade school or go to college, but they

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could go to this program and get good skills to

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create a better life.

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But where the problems started, so to speak, was.

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That young people who were facing criminal charges or maybe

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they had big disciplinary issues in their homes or at

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school or whatever, they started to be referred to job

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Corp As an alternate to going to like.

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Jail or juvi or whatever.

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Okay, So basically this is kind of where it went

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from such a beautiful and amazing concept for people in

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society to more of a hug, a thug component that

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was being pushed. Now, I want to say this real quick,

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if you are a product of job Core, I am

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not saying this is everybody that went there or that

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goes there. I'm saying that the shift in the nineties

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was real, and it was documented, and it was prevalent

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throughout campuses. So as such, the client tell that would

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be enrolled there continued to become more and more troubled.

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Regardless though at least job skills are being taught and

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the opportunity to change or better your oneself was there,

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and that's a good thing. But unfortunately, students who didn't

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have problems such as these, they began to kind of

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fade out because they were being dominated and run off

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by these less desirables that were being funneled into the program.

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And that didn't mean that all students were rough, but

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I'm just saying it was a trend. Now, one good

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kid who attended classes in this Knoxville job Corps was

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nineteen year old Colleen Slimmer. Now her life, I'm not

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going to even pretend with some like magical fairy tale

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or anything like that, but she was making good decisions

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for herself. Her parents were divorced. They had split, and

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that had been kind of hard on her. But she

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was wanting to get an education beyond high school, and

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she wanted to get a real career. She didn't want

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to just go work at some convenience store or at

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some retail outlet. She wanted a real career. And she

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was very, very interested in computers. That said, she was

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a very sweet and mild mannered individual. Seems like a

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good fit for someone who's going to be working on computers.

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She was a girl trying to make her way in

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her own terms. But she was young, and that hardheadedness

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was also kind of poking through at times. I mean,

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she's nineteen. You remember how you were when you were nineteen. Hell,

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you might be nineteen. You got a little hard headedness

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in you.

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I know I did.

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But she had a heart for people, and so everyone's

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got good and bad. She had so much good to

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her and that was exemplified in her love for the

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Special Olympics. For example, she would volunteer and she loved

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seeing the smiles on those faces as they were achieving

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success in their own right. And she was very active,

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so she liked to run marathons, and she would roll

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her skate every weekend. And she was a self identified

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computer geek. So she seems really well rounded in so

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far as the things that she's interested in. She was

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very close with her mother, and she also loved her sisters.

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So how did she get to job Corps in Knoxville, Tennessee.

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I'm glad you asked. Well, she was born and raised

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in Florida.

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But to join job Corp and complete this program, which

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would last about six months, they offered that only at

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this Knoxville location. At that time, so she would have

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to go there if she really wanted to achieve her goals,

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and she really really wanted this.

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Now.

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Her family did not want her to go, but Colleen

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was a go getter and she was confident, Mom, I

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can do this, just trust me.

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I can do this.

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I'm nineteen years old and I know what I want.

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So begrudgingly, on October thirty first of nineteen ninety four,

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she hugged her mama goodbye. She told her siblings, I'll

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see you later, and she set out for her adventure

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at Job Corp. So when Colleen arrived at the school,

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of course, she was bright eyed and bushy tailed and

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had rose colored glasses and everything is going to be

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great and I'm going to start my life. And the

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teachers really took to her. They liked her when they

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saw her with her curly her curly hair, and she

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had just a sweet temperament, and she was, you know,

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interesting to some of the other students who started kind

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of sniffing around and trying to feel her out and

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see what she was like. And it was exciting to

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make all of these new friendships and relationships. Well, about

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two months into the semester, the sun rose over Knoxville,

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and workers outside of job Corps and the surrounding university

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and elsewhere they were really starting their day. It was

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about eight oh five in the morning on January thirteenth

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when an employee at the University of Tennessee in the

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grounds department, he was doing his daily tasks. Now, the college,

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of course, is an agricultural one, and there are greenhouses

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on property, and this area where the greenhouses were kind

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of was on.

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The edge of the campus.

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So as he's doing his job, he noticed that there

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was something in the brush that was out of place.

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It was something that he wasn't used to seeing. There

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definitely not anything that was there the day before. And

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he really thought, oh, that might be a dead deer

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or something like that, Like what is this? So he

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starts walking towards the pile of debris, and as he

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got closer, I'm sure you can imagine what I'm about

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to say, but he realized that it was not brush.

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It was a horribly beaten animal, like horribly beaten. It

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was in terrible shape.

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But as the he got closer, because you know, curiosity

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got the best of him. What the hell happened to

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this animal? It's not like there was a roadway there

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that had hit it or something. But as he got closer,

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he then wasn't sure if it was an animal at all.

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The condition of it was horrific. But he leaned in

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and he said, my god, is this a person? Is

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this really a human being laying on the ground. So

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he approached slowly because he didn't want to startle this person.

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But as his eyes fixed on the body, he realized

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this person wasn't here because they wanted to be.

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By any stretch of the imagination, this was a dead

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body and it was so badly beaten that it was

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unrecognizable as a person when he got up close on it.

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Only when he.

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Got literally right above it could he tell, holy crap,

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this is a semi nude person. The shirt was completely gone.

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He knew that this was a female because her breasts

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were exposed without the shirt there. Just shocked and scared,

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he ran and immediately called police for help. So, as

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you can imagine, this was totally something out of the ordinary.

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For sure, multiple agencies actually responded to the scene to

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see what was going on.

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Now.

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The detective on the case or assigned to the case

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arrived rather quickly, and he observed exactly what the caller

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had described. There was a woman's body lying on debris,

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nude from the waist up, but covered in blood and dirt. Also,

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the victim's head had been bludgeoned, and a quick immediate assessment.

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Also he was.

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Able to see that there was multiple cuts and slashes

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on the body as well.

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And this beating was absolutely brutal.

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And for your perspective, because I want you to understand this,

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I want to relate to relate to you that the

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detectives thought that they were looking at the victim's face,

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but they couldn't even tell because it was that extremely mutilated.

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Only the autopsy would confirm what was what on what

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they thought was the head. So as more officers are

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they began securing the scene and they were trying to

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get the crime area, you know, laid out. But they

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eventually realized that the crime scene extended well past where

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this body was found. I mean, there were items strown

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about the further that they looked. There was blood, there

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were articles of clothing, there were footprints, there were broken

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limbs of trees and brush, and it's like it almost

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painted a picture that a fight had taken place in

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this area.

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All of this had to be documented.

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And the scope of the area had to be fully

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contained before the full investigation could even begin. But eventually

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the crime scene was contained, it would have tripled in

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size at that point and the area for your if

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you like to like know it was about one hundred

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feet long by sixty feet wide. And this will matter later.

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That's why I'm giving you these specifics. It's a pretty

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large crime scene.

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The area was wet and muddy, and because of that,

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you could tell immediately that there had been an incredible

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fight for life that took place in this mud pit

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that was there. The trampled bushes showed a progression of

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bodies or this body moving.

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You could make.

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Out handprints and knee prints in the mud, and it

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just looked like someone had been falling, someone had been

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bending down and probably attacking, like a knee print indented

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in the mud, and then a handprint for stability, or

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maybe someone fell over and fell forward and was on

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their hands and knees in the mud. But there was

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also drag marks in this mud and they extended about

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thirty feet from where the body was located, so over

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where the drag marks must have started. They followed it

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and police located a very very large pool pool of blood.

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Now when I say a pool of blood, that's not

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for theatrics.

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A pool meaning it was it was deep, you know,

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it was it was more blood than someone who was

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slightly injured.

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This was a lot.

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Now looking back at the victim, they knew that she was.

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They believed that she was face down on top of

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the pile of debris. Again, the head was so smashed,

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the breast location kind of oriented the body and she was.

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It wasn't until she was rolled back over that officers

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realized where her throat would have been and that it

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had been slashed. They could see the cut through the throat,

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but there was also a bloody rag still around her neck.

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So it was curious, you know, if someone's having their

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throat cut, what is this rag then applied over their neck.

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The scene was of such immense brutality that it was

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really hard for investigators to wrap their mind around what

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could have possibly led to this level of violence. And

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right here, like it's not like they're in the middle

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of inner city, you know, Detroit or something. This is Knoxville, Tennessee,

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you know, so Detective Donald Cook he went to the morgue.

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He followed the body there, and he was there whenever

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the autopsy was conducted. It was not until after the

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victim's body had been stripped down of the remaining clothing

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and completely washed off that he noticed she wasn't just

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sliced up, but there was an actual image carved into

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her chest, a very clear and unsettling image, to be exact,

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and it was that of a pentagram. Whomever had killed

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this girl had taken a knife and carved a pentagram

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into her chest. Now, I am no Satanist, nor do

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I even want to entertain such darkness, but in the

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spirit of being a well rounded podcaster, I did some

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research for you to ensure accuracy and understanding of what

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the pentagram means to other people. Now, a pentagram is

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a five pointed star and it's in a circle. But

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it's not until the star is inverted or it's upside

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down with the the two points of the star pointing up,

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that it symbolizes the Satanic philosophy.

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So that is the key there.

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And if you know about the goat in Satanism, you

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know it symbolizes a lot. But in essence that goat

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is supposed to be about, like rebellion and questioning everything.

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Whatever.

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You can do your own research and you can interpret

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that however you want to. The reason that I bring

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it up is because the inverted star in the circle

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actually creates a general outline of the goat if you

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look at it how it's intended. And it sounds really,

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really odd. But I will be grudgingly post that photo

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on my Patreon for you to see what I mean. Regardless, though,

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detectives now wondered if maybe this was like a Satanic

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ritual or something that had taken place, because murder is

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scary enough. I think we can all agree. But when

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you straight up ad Satan, I mean, I'm like, you know, no, thanks,

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as are most most people. But detectives had a job

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to do. They had to solve this murder. Now, the

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autopsy was one that definitely stands out, especially in the

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minds of the people who investigate.

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Murder for a living.

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This one really was just some some different animal here.

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So doctor Sandra Elkins, she was the Knox County Medical Examiner.

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She performed the autopsy on this victim, but iding her

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would be extremely difficult because her face was nonexistent, it

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was gone, it wasn't there. So for now she would

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be a Jane Doe. And what we could tell you

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is that this Jane Doe had been through a lot.

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She was a white female, She was estimated to be

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in her late teens to her early twenties. Her body

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was covered with dirt and twigs and evidence of this struggle.

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As I've already explained to you, she was nude from

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the waist up. The only clothing she had on and

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that was documented was her jeens, her socks, and her shoes,

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and all of this was removed and her body was

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washed for a more complete and thorough examination. Now, doctor

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Elkins is a professional, and she attempted to catalog the

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slash and the stab wounds on this victim's torso by

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assigning each cut a letter of the alphabet. So how

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many letters on the alphabet? I think we all know

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that that's twenty seven right. Well, very quickly into this autopsy,

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she ran out of letters A through Z. Gone done

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very quickly. There were so many wounds that eventually the

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doctor shifted gears and she said, okay, well I'm just

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gonna log the most serious and major wounds, and she

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basically explained that if she had kept going in the

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original fashion she had started, she would have been in

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the morgue for three days and used the alphabet many, many, many,

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many many times over. It just wasn't conducive. She couldn't

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write the report that way, so eventually, in her own words,

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she said, I just threw my hands up and said innumerable.

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There's just there's too many cuts on this body for

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me to accurately count each and every one. She did

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describe a more superficial slash wound on the back of

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the arms, and some on the chest and all over

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the place. She also marked that there was purple contusions

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on the victim's knees, which indicated fresh bruising, consistent with

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this girl having crawled at some point trying to I

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guess escape her attackers. There were documented defensive wounds on

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her right arm as well. The major slash and stab

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wounds were concentrated on this victim's back, her arms, her abdomen,

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and her chest. There was also a six inch gaping

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wound across the middle of her neck which had sliced

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through the fat and the muscle, so this was a

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very deep penetrative wound that just gaping, meaning it laid

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open when she was documenting it. There were ten other

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slash wounds on the victim's neck as well that were.

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Originally believed to be part of her face.

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But again her face was kind of distorted to so

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the chest pentagram was confirmed to be carved into the

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victim's chest wall. That's what the detective thought it was.

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The doctor confirmed that, and because the area around each

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wound was still red in appearance, this meant that this

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poor girl's heart had been beating as she was being cut, sliced, stabbed,

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and carved on. And for me to say that, it

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just kind of rolls off the tongue, you know, when

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I'm telling the story. But man, I just put myself

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in this girl's place, and to think this was this

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wasn't quick, This was torture. This is horrific. And it

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was clearly documented that all of this alone would not

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int would not have rendered her unconscious.

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She felt every one of these wounds before she died.

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In all, it was estimated that approximately three hundred slice

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wounds were on this poor girl's body. Well, if the

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stabs and the cuts didn't kill her, I know your

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question is, well, then what did well? I mean, obviously,

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if we put it all together here, it was the

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blunt force injuries to her skull. She had suffered multiple

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extensive skull fractures, but the one listed as W because

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she had started at the top. The one listed as

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do W was the most extensive, and it focused on

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the left side of the victim's head. This one was caused,

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like I said, by blunt force trauma, likely something smashing

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into her head. There was a minimum of four separate

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blows to this young girl's skull, two to the left side,

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there was one over the right eye, and there was

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also one to the nose which had broken her nose

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very severely as well. I mean, this just hurts describing it.

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Have you ever been punched in the face, because you

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don't forget it, what's the saying. Everyone has a plan

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of what to do until they get punched in the face.

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And this girl's head was just being destroyed. So the

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right side injuries of her head, the doctor believed were

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caused by her head laying against a firm surface like

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the ground or something of that nature, and the right

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side of the skull was fractured while a portion of

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the skull bones were embedded into her brain. Okay, so

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she didn't just crack her head into a.

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Wall and collapse. I mean, this was a damaging blow

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to the head. Now.

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That said, there were small divots in her skull too,

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where the doctor was able to pull out small pieces

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of what appeared to be black asphalt embedded into the skull. Again,

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we know she was alive as all of this was

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happening to her because there was blood in her sinus cavity.

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So she was, according to the doctor, probably conscious to

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a point and definitely bleeding and alive until the crushing

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of the skull took over.

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So as her horrific as that.

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Was, I mean, that's horrific, but this next part is

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going to be kind of unnerving as well. So I

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just want to let you know that. But the reality

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is that science isn't always pretty. All it's not always pretty,

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and the shows on TV and a lot of people

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gloss over this, but I want you to understand what

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investigators went through to try to solve this. In order

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to determine the cause of death, the doctor was forced

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to have to physically remove the victim's head from her body,

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she had to take it off, and that was because

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it was necessary to reconstruct the skull for forensic purposes,

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and in order to have this happen, that's why the

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victim's head was respectfully and scientifically removed from her body.

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The doctor then took off the top of the skull

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and removed the traumatized brain, so it was kind of

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mixed together. And so this was a process where she

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had to carefully pick out all the pieces of embedded skull,

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and she needed every piece of it because she would

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clean it up. And then she forwarded all of this

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to a doctor Murray Marx, who was a forensic anthropologist

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right there at the University of Tennessee. And doctor Marx

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painfully and painstakingly reconstructed that skull down to the tiniest,

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tiniest little pieces. However, when it was all said and done,

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there was one missing chunk of that skull, a little

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rock sized piece missing from the skull. All right, Well,

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maybe it had been left at the scene, maybe it

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was mixed with blood or something. They didn't know, but

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she or I don't Actually, I'm not sure if Murray

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is a he or a she as i'm recording this,

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but the doctor Murray Marx was able to get it

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all put back together minus that one piece. All of

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that being said, obviously that was taking time to happen. Well,

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let's go back to the crime scene. Now, this girl,

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I'm gonna tell you. I want to kind of lay

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this out for you because it could be kind of

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confusing or it may not matter to you, But she

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seemed was believed to have been killed sometime between the

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night and morning of like the eleventh or twelfth, But

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some dates in documents will say the thirteenth, So I

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know it's gonna look like three days, but this is

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really more of like a fluid two days if you

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want to think of it like that, containing day and night.

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All right, Well, either way. The day after the body

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was found, an officer, Harold Underwood Junior, was assigned to

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secure the crime scene as it was still being protected

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and they were still investigating the actual site where the

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body was found. Now, when you're assigned to secure a scene,

478
00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:52.480
it's not just standing there and looking cool. Okay, they

479
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.880
actually have a job there. They have to keep unwanted

480
00:27:54.920 --> 00:27:58.200
people out of the crime scene, and they also have

481
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:01.680
to make sure to maintain a law of anyone that

482
00:28:01.880 --> 00:28:05.839
enters or exits the scene in a professional capacity during

483
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.720
the day, so I e. Detectives, CSI personnel, Maybe the

484
00:28:09.759 --> 00:28:13.079
Prosecutor's office sends somebody. I don't know, but all of

485
00:28:13.119 --> 00:28:15.480
that has to be documented because these people are now

486
00:28:15.519 --> 00:28:17.279
coming in and out of a crime scene. So he

487
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:20.480
has a very important job. While he's there, Well, while

488
00:28:20.519 --> 00:28:24.839
he is standing at his post, a group of four

489
00:28:25.039 --> 00:28:30.480
or five young females walked came walking up to the area,

490
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.680
and it was the area was a park, okay, so

491
00:28:33.720 --> 00:28:38.319
it's not like this was just like a crazy place

492
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:39.079
for people to show up.

493
00:28:39.119 --> 00:28:41.000
I mean there was people in movement on this campus.

494
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:43.319
Well, while he's standing there, this group of about four

495
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:47.240
or five young females walked up to him between roughly

496
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:51.519
four and five pm, and one of the girls was

497
00:28:51.559 --> 00:28:54.920
curious about what was going on, and she asked Officer Underwood, Hey,

498
00:28:54.960 --> 00:28:57.359
what's going on? Why do y'all have this taped off?

499
00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:01.039
What's going on? Well, when he gave the base sick answer,

500
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.720
limited but basic, he said, you know, we got a

501
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:07.279
crime scene here, a body was found. The girl then said, oh, okay,

502
00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:08.359
who's the victim?

503
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:09.240
Do you know who it is?

504
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:13.720
And he's looking at this young girl like, no, I don't,

505
00:29:13.759 --> 00:29:15.519
but even if I did, I wouldn't tell you, Hello,

506
00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:16.920
it's a crime scene.

507
00:29:17.160 --> 00:29:18.440
Well, that didn't.

508
00:29:18.160 --> 00:29:21.000
Thwart this girl's efforts of still or this group of

509
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:24.400
girls even from trying to figure out what wanting more information,

510
00:29:25.079 --> 00:29:29.200
So she was still curious, and she asked that officer, Hey, well,

511
00:29:29.200 --> 00:29:30.880
do y'all have any suspects, Like do we know who

512
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:34.960
we're looking for? Or like what's happening? It's kind of scary,

513
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:37.160
you know if somebody was killed here? Do we need

514
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:37.799
to be afraid?

515
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:39.119
Blah blah blah blah blah.

516
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:41.559
Well, the girl that was asking all of these questions

517
00:29:41.680 --> 00:29:45.279
and very curious about the scene, she came across as

518
00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:48.839
the ringleader of this friend group because she was the

519
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:53.279
only girl to speak the entire time to this officer.

520
00:29:54.440 --> 00:29:56.279
So after he answers whatever he's going to answer, and

521
00:29:56.279 --> 00:29:58.119
he's like, all right, y'all can move along, girls, you.

522
00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:59.359
Know, we got work to do here.

523
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.079
The girls didn't immediately leave. They kind of moled around

524
00:30:04.160 --> 00:30:07.680
the crime scene area outside of it really for about

525
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.519
fifteen minutes before eventually going on and doing their thing. Now,

526
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:17.720
he also didn't take to this leader girl very very kindly.

527
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:19.680
I mean, he wasn't ugly to or anything, but she

528
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:24.279
came across as a bit immature and just just not

529
00:30:24.480 --> 00:30:27.759
likable considering the circumstances that were happening here.

530
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.000
And she just was.

531
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:33.680
Seemed very amused by it and was giggling and giddy

532
00:30:34.039 --> 00:30:34.759
the whole time.

533
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:36.559
Very very immature.

534
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:38.759
So I'm sure that that was very aggravating, but look,

535
00:30:38.799 --> 00:30:41.680
officers are used to this nosiness of bystanders.

536
00:30:41.720 --> 00:30:42.519
It is what it is.

537
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:45.720
And the officer didn't think much more of it and

538
00:30:45.720 --> 00:30:49.119
he finished out his shift. But the following morning after that,

539
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.799
officers met up for a role call and to get

540
00:30:52.799 --> 00:30:56.200
their briefing for the day, and Lati da So while

541
00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:00.160
this briefing is going on, his ears would perk up

542
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:04.640
because these supervisors gave a little bit more information about

543
00:31:04.640 --> 00:31:07.480
the victim at this scene that he had been securing

544
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:13.279
the day before. And when the supervisor mentioned that the

545
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:18.960
victim had a pentagram carved into her chest, his mind

546
00:31:19.119 --> 00:31:23.400
went straight back immediately to that group of teenage girls

547
00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:27.240
that had stopped by. See sometimes and I know you've

548
00:31:27.279 --> 00:31:28.640
had this happen to you in your own life. It's

549
00:31:28.640 --> 00:31:29.079
happened to me.

550
00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:34.519
Sometimes the seemingly most unimportant things that happen or that

551
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:38.759
you see throughout the day become huge after the fact

552
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:41.559
when they're put into perspective. But in the moment, it's

553
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:43.680
just like a thing, it's just whatever.

554
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.519
Well, that mainteen girl who was talking to him, he

555
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:51.839
noticed that she had a very strange choice of jewelry.

556
00:31:52.279 --> 00:31:54.839
And it had caught his eye while the girl was

557
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:58.240
talking to him because that girl was wearing a necklace

558
00:31:58.680 --> 00:32:01.599
that was in the shape of a pentagram.

559
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:05.039
That's not something that you see all the time.

560
00:32:05.119 --> 00:32:08.440
And what are the chances, right, Well, y'all, if you've

561
00:32:08.440 --> 00:32:10.039
been a listener long enough of the show, you know

562
00:32:10.160 --> 00:32:13.680
that I don't believe in coincidences, and neither did this officer,

563
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.799
and he realized very quickly this might matter. Why would

564
00:32:16.799 --> 00:32:18.559
the victim have a pentagram and then this girl have

565
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:19.240
a pentagram?

566
00:32:19.359 --> 00:32:21.319
Hmm, maybe there's a connection here.

567
00:32:21.480 --> 00:32:23.480
And so he decided that he needed to report this

568
00:32:23.519 --> 00:32:26.640
to his supervisors, and he did it right then. But

569
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:31.039
that said, it was documented in everything what happened to

570
00:32:31.079 --> 00:32:31.720
this victim.

571
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.279
Who was she? They still had no clue who this

572
00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:34.839
girl was.

573
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:40.920
Well, lucky for police, someone nearby this person's conscience was

574
00:32:40.960 --> 00:32:43.920
starting to get the better of them, and this would

575
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:47.759
result in a tip being called in advising police that

576
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:51.039
they may need to focus on job Core students to

577
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:55.559
identify the body. Now, this tip would be followed up on,

578
00:32:55.599 --> 00:32:58.279
and quite frankly, I want you to know that this

579
00:32:58.559 --> 00:33:02.079
wasn't the first time that students at job Corps had

580
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:06.480
been on police officer's radar, because two years prior, back

581
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:10.160
in December of nineteen ninety three, two Job Corp students

582
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:14.319
were accused of attacking to University of Tennessee students who

583
00:33:14.319 --> 00:33:17.319
were sitting in their car right there on the edge

584
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.519
of campus. And this wasn't an attack like, oh, they

585
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:23.839
roughed them up or over a dispute. No, the male

586
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.680
student was ripped out of the car and beaten within

587
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.160
an inch of his life. And then the female student

588
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:35.079
that was in that same vehicle was taken captive by

589
00:33:35.279 --> 00:33:39.000
these students the car. They drove off with her in

590
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:42.720
the car to a secondary location where she was brutally raped.

591
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:45.359
So that case, I will let you know that one

592
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:48.240
had been solved and both of those Job Corp students

593
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:50.400
had been convicted of the crimes that.

594
00:33:50.400 --> 00:33:52.559
I just mentioned to you but murder.

595
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:56.119
I mean, damn, Like, things are just getting worse and

596
00:33:56.200 --> 00:33:57.319
worse and worse here.

597
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:59.720
I mean it's crazy. What the hell is going on

598
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:01.279
with the students at job Corps.

599
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.799
Well, when detectives arrived at the school, they would find

600
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.239
that there was a total of somewhere near three hundred

601
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:13.880
and sixty plus students enrolled at that time at the school.

602
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:15.960
So where would you even start? I mean, the tip

603
00:34:16.039 --> 00:34:17.719
was great if it says, go check out the school.

604
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:19.960
We got three hundred and sixty freakin people. How are

605
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:23.239
we gonna do this? Well, the answer became, let's think smarter,

606
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.719
not harder. They walk up and the detectives quite frankly, asked, Hey,

607
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:32.800
do you have a missing student? And if so, what

608
00:34:32.960 --> 00:34:35.119
are the procedures to keep up with students when they

609
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:39.360
leave campus? Because remember many of these students are still teenagers.

610
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.800
They still have to be accounted for as they came

611
00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:44.280
and they left, because they lived there too, someone had

612
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.719
to keep an eye on these kids. Well, a supervisor

613
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.480
at the school led the detective to a log that

614
00:34:50.639 --> 00:34:53.840
was kept and the procedure was that anytime someone came

615
00:34:53.880 --> 00:34:56.360
and went from the school, they had to sign out

616
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:59.239
on the LOG, so the morning that the body was found.

617
00:34:59.320 --> 00:35:02.119
This is kind of be They knew that the body

618
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.840
was relatively fresh. I know that's kind of tacky to say,

619
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.400
but it was a relatively new body that hadn't been

620
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:11.280
there for a long time. So the detectives decided to

621
00:35:11.320 --> 00:35:15.519
focus on the night before log to see any movements

622
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:18.320
of students that had gone out the night before the

623
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:21.920
body was found, and sure enough, one student signed out

624
00:35:22.360 --> 00:35:26.800
but never signed back in, and that student was Colleen Slimmer.

625
00:35:27.159 --> 00:35:29.719
She had signed out about eight thirty that night before

626
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:33.599
the body was found, but no one had seen or

627
00:35:33.719 --> 00:35:37.119
spoken to her since at the school. So the detective again,

628
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.639
you can't take any liberties here. The detective looks up

629
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:42.000
and says, hey, Colleen, can you tell me what she

630
00:35:42.039 --> 00:35:45.199
looks like? And the description he's given is look, she's

631
00:35:45.239 --> 00:35:49.679
a white female, late teens to early twenties, brown hair,

632
00:35:50.159 --> 00:35:54.280
and bingo. The detective thinks we may have our victim here.

633
00:35:54.679 --> 00:35:58.199
It matched the body as far as he had seen. Now, again,

634
00:35:58.239 --> 00:35:59.960
they weren't going to be one hundred percent sure yet

635
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:03.400
because there was no way to confirm the face of

636
00:36:03.440 --> 00:36:07.280
this person by just visual ID So this could either

637
00:36:07.320 --> 00:36:10.840
be something huge, or this could be nothing until Colleen

638
00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:14.360
was located. So detectives wanted to speak with Colleen's mom

639
00:36:14.679 --> 00:36:16.800
and see if maybe she could give some insight to

640
00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.239
where her daughter's whereabouts are or if she had even

641
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:23.960
spoken to her. So Colleen's mom's name was May, and

642
00:36:24.039 --> 00:36:26.719
May was caught off guard, as I think anybody would be,

643
00:36:27.039 --> 00:36:30.840
when she received a call from law enforcement homicide unit

644
00:36:30.920 --> 00:36:34.920
asking questions about her daughter, and that questioning was along

645
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:36.679
the lines of when is the last time that you

646
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:39.559
spoke with her? And so, thinking just for a moment,

647
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:42.400
she told the police, well, the last conversation I had

648
00:36:42.400 --> 00:36:45.800
with her would have been two days ago, but we

649
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:47.960
didn't speak long. I don't know if you want to

650
00:36:48.000 --> 00:36:49.000
call that our conversation.

651
00:36:49.119 --> 00:36:50.880
She said. I was in a hurry. I was trying

652
00:36:50.880 --> 00:36:51.320
to head.

653
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.320
Out the door and I needed to go get groceries.

654
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:55.119
I had a lot of things going on when Colleen

655
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.920
called me. So she told Colleen, look, look baby, I

656
00:36:58.960 --> 00:37:00.920
can't talk to you right now. I'm going to have

657
00:37:00.960 --> 00:37:03.880
to call you back. But later on, when she tried

658
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:06.239
to call Colleen, she could not get in touch with her.

659
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:09.800
Matter of fact, she had spent the previous night before

660
00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:12.639
this phone call from homicide trying to get in touch

661
00:37:12.679 --> 00:37:16.440
with Colleen, calling over and over again, asking people at

662
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.480
the school administrators, and she was never able to get

663
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:23.880
in touch with her. So the school told her, and

664
00:37:23.920 --> 00:37:26.239
this is what she related to police, that Colleen had

665
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.440
checked out but she didn't return. But right in that moment,

666
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:34.400
her mother didn't realize they meant all night. She thought

667
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.159
that at that moment she was calling, Colleen had left

668
00:37:37.239 --> 00:37:40.199
and was not back. So when the school said that

669
00:37:40.239 --> 00:37:43.639
she wasn't there, Colleen had just hung up. Now she

670
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.840
eventually had to leave and take her younger children, colleen siblings,

671
00:37:47.880 --> 00:37:50.840
to the doctor. So she did that and when she

672
00:37:50.840 --> 00:37:55.559
had returned back home, that's when Homicide was now calling her.

673
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:59.280
Now the tone in the voice on the other end

674
00:37:59.280 --> 00:38:02.079
of the phone started to make Mama May begin to

675
00:38:02.280 --> 00:38:06.239
stress and rightfully sew, because when the news was broken

676
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:10.559
that they believed Colleen might be dead, and on top

677
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:15.119
of that horrific circumstances, Miss May almost collapsed.

678
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:17.639
What do you mean, No, no, no, no, no, she's

679
00:38:17.679 --> 00:38:20.079
at school. My daughter is at school. She is not

680
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:23.039
a murder victim. No, you need to check the school.

681
00:38:23.800 --> 00:38:28.199
But she knew her daughter wasn't there, And the reality

682
00:38:28.239 --> 00:38:32.920
was that the officer's stance never changed, and this was real,

683
00:38:33.599 --> 00:38:38.280
and they wanted to know, now, as sickening as this is,

684
00:38:38.280 --> 00:38:40.199
is there any way that you might would be able

685
00:38:40.239 --> 00:38:46.239
to identify your daughter's body through markings? And her mom's thinking,

686
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:46.880
why don't.

687
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:48.440
I just what's the face? What does she look like?

688
00:38:48.719 --> 00:38:52.000
But that's when she says, or they say, you have

689
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:55.800
to look at the markings because her face, unfortunately, is

690
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:03.320
completely unrecognizable. And can you, as a listener, even process

691
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:07.400
what that must feel like to hear that your daughter

692
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:12.199
not only may be dead, but her face is Goneugh.

693
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:15.840
And those words that she had said to her daughter

694
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:19.159
last may have unknowingly been the very last thing she

695
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:23.000
would ever say to her, And I can't talk now

696
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.000
would be a phrase that would forever haunt Colleen's mother

697
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.800
as it replayed in her head over and over and

698
00:39:30.880 --> 00:39:33.679
over again. Oh my god, the last thing I ever

699
00:39:33.719 --> 00:39:36.480
said to her might be I can't talk to you

700
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:41.320
right now. So she kept thinking about this as she

701
00:39:41.400 --> 00:39:43.519
hung up the phone. But she was thinking about how

702
00:39:43.559 --> 00:39:46.760
Colleen had been complaining in recent calls home about her

703
00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.800
school program and what had started out as this new

704
00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.559
and exciting experience had started to kind of dull the

705
00:39:52.599 --> 00:39:55.000
more that the students were around one another, because there

706
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:57.760
were some misfits in the student body, and quite frankly,

707
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.280
they were just given Colleen a hard time. Remember this

708
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.360
program meant that they went to school together, they lived together,

709
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.880
they ate together, and so they never really got a

710
00:40:06.920 --> 00:40:10.079
break from one another, which we all know in teenage

711
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.639
life causes friction over time. Just overall, the feeling I

712
00:40:15.679 --> 00:40:18.880
got was there was some mean girl bullying type stuff

713
00:40:18.920 --> 00:40:22.320
going on. Colleen had expressed the frustrations about girls taking

714
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.280
her clothes. They had stolen her jewelry from her room

715
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:28.280
when she wasn't in there. But another part of the

716
00:40:28.280 --> 00:40:31.320
frustration is proving that, because that'd be really hard to prove.

717
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.519
But she knew what was missing, and nobody was giving

718
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:38.400
her stuff back. And calling home, she would vent to

719
00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.559
her mama about her frustrations, and her mama did what

720
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all mamas would do. She tried to encourage her baby, girl,

721
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:48.320
don't worry about it. It's just physical things. Stick it

722
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.800
out if you can. You only have to do this

723
00:40:50.840 --> 00:40:52.960
for six months, and then you can come back home

724
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:56.360
and you can start your life and you can do this, Colleen.

725
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You're tough, you're strong, and you're a smart girl. Mama's

726
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:04.159
have this way of calming our minds and making us

727
00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:07.719
feel better, which is just what Colleen needed and would

728
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:11.679
receive from her mama when she called, except that very

729
00:41:11.920 --> 00:41:15.400
last phone call when she said, I'll have to call

730
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:20.760
you back. So, thinking back, they had just talked it out,

731
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and before that last conversation they had come to the

732
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:28.719
conclusion that Colleen should try to stay friendly, keep things kosher,

733
00:41:29.119 --> 00:41:33.400
and that would hopefully help this time pass faster. But

734
00:41:33.559 --> 00:41:37.760
dental records were something that would be necessary and that

735
00:41:37.800 --> 00:41:40.599
would be the only way that police would be able

736
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:44.679
to one hundred percent identify that this was Colleen, and

737
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:48.039
May agreed to go get those for them, and she

738
00:41:48.119 --> 00:41:50.239
got them and she turned them over. Yet the entire time,

739
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:52.480
she was praying that somehow this would actually prove that

740
00:41:52.519 --> 00:41:56.480
this was not her Colleen that they had found. But

741
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:59.840
when the comparison was done, it was confirmed that this

742
00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:04.400
was the body of nineteen year old Colleen Slimmer. May's

743
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:10.039
daughter had one hundred percent been murdered. So with this confirmed,

744
00:42:10.719 --> 00:42:14.119
detectives wanted to see if anyone else had signed out

745
00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:17.760
with or around the same time as Colleen the knight

746
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.960
of her death, and sure enough, there were three others

747
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:24.400
on the sign out log around the same time. Now,

748
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:28.480
investigators were prompt in their interviewing of those students, which

749
00:42:28.519 --> 00:42:30.920
proved a rather easy task because they didn't have to

750
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.800
hunt them down. They all lived right there on campus.

751
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:37.400
So who were these kids and what was their connection

752
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:42.079
to each other and Colleen if anything, because this didn't

753
00:42:42.079 --> 00:42:44.920
even mean that they hung out with her or anything. Well,

754
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:48.639
their names were eighteen year old Krista Pike, seventeen year

755
00:42:48.679 --> 00:42:53.199
old to Daryl ships An, eighteen year old Shadala Peterson.

756
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:57.960
Was it possible that these three young people knew something

757
00:42:58.119 --> 00:43:02.800
about Colleen's disappearance? And if so, could they help police

758
00:43:03.000 --> 00:43:07.400
solve Colleen's murder? Well, here's a spoiler alert. I'm gonna

759
00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:10.920
have all of those answers and more for you in

760
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.320
next week's conclusion. And if you think you know this one,

761
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:17.199
you've got to hang tight, because I'm about to blow

762
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:21.480
this case wide ass open with an additional thirty years

763
00:43:21.519 --> 00:43:24.760
of follow up just for you, wrapped up nice and

764
00:43:24.800 --> 00:43:27.239
meat in one place and tied.

765
00:43:27.239 --> 00:43:30.440
With a beautiful bow. For now, though, I'm gonna leave

766
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:33.760
you with this. I don't like mean girls.

767
00:43:34.400 --> 00:43:39.039
I really don't like mean girls who also think they're untouchable.

768
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.840
And while police may not have their hands on a

769
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:46.119
suspect yet, there's about to be some serious finger pointing

770
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:46.519
going on,