Big Easy King Part 2

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast where I tell stories of real crimes

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with real victims, whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning,

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey, y'all, kJ you're

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back for another sort of unspeakable?
What's going on, y'all? It's carnal

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little time. Did y'all see my
posts that I did and the catch that

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I got in New Orleans? It
was the coveted plunger, right, the

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big one too. Now when the
little bitinianan ones there's a big old plunger

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with a microphone on the end,
I'm like, if the gods have not

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spoken, what a catch? What
an amazing catch? And I didn't go

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to jail, so I mean to
me, it was the perfect Marty gral

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right? Could it have gotten any
better? And I drove by and I

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did post some pictures on Facebook too. I'll put him on my Patreon.

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But I drove by where old vents, right where he his old stomping grounds

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were, and even my husband even
took a little detour and we drove by

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where Liz was actually shot and killed. So, you know, I like

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to kind of feel it out and
see what these people went through and what

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did they see and what was it
like, you know, within reason whenever

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things happened to them. And so
I had a good time down at Marty

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Gral But don't think that this wasn't
on my considering. It's the current episode

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that I'm doing, and you know, man, man, what a loss.

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But first, before I jump into
the whole episode, I got a

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few shout outs for you, and
this is Murphreysboro, Tennessee. Brittany Irvin.

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Hey Brittany, how are you doing
Tennessee? I like Tennessee. We

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go there on vacation a lot.
But thank you for joining. And also

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miss de D. Now I think
this is Kolura d D. Koleura from

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Stowe, Ohio. Hi d D, thank you so much for joining as

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well. And then I've got miss
Shannon Pierce from Springfield, Oregon. Hey,

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Shannon, I'm so glad to have
y'all here and part of my team

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and supporting my show. It means
so much to me. And you know,

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y'all are the difference. I say
it every time, y'all are the

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difference. It makes this job a
whole lot easier when you have support from

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fans, right, So, thank
y'all so much. But I'm gonna jump

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right on into this one and I
am going to finish this episode, so

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y'all don't get crazy. Okay,
I'm gonna finish it today. But I'm

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gonna just pick right back up or
I left off. Remember Liz Marinell was

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in the middle of a horrible divorce
and she was divorcing a man that was

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older than her maybe you know,
supposed to be wiser, but definitely lacking

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in maturity about the entire situation.
And you know, she was shot in

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the face. She took two bullets
to the face close range. And you

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know, while the trajectory and the
distance travel depends on a multitude of factors,

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I did do some research on the
likely movement of the bullets within her

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skull. That was, you know, like the likely pattern that they took

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once they entered the skull, and
so I have a photo that I will

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post for y'all, and it kind
of shows what does a bullet do when

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it enters someone's head. And there's
usually two you know, of this caliber

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I guess bullet. The report was
saying that there's usually two I guess trajectories,

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two ways that the bullet travels within
the brain. And it looks like

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to me what would have happened is
that the shot goes, you know,

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kind of near the eye into the
head. It looked like it just travels

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straight through a cross, but it
doesn't exit out the backside of the skull.

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It actually does more of like it
goes all the way back, and

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then when it hits the back of
the skull, it's like fitting and it

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goes down like in a pinball machine. It goes straight through, and then

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it just kind of rolls around the
outer edge of the skull and really just

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does a lot of destruction in its
path. It shows that it goes down,

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like I said, it rolls around
the back kind of like a bowl

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and kind of destroys the brain in
that way. And then the other likely

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path would be again from the front
all the way to the back, not

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exiting necessarily and then just ricocheting straight
back out, almost making like an L

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shape. So I don't know if
that matters to you, but to kind

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of show you what the bullet does
and its path once it enters the skull,

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I thought it was kind of interesting. But again, it was initially

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assumed that Liz was the victim of
New Orleans skyrocketing crime rate or a robbery

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gone wrong, but that was going
to be ruled out and the shooting would

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not only be ruled intentional, but
remember it was specifically called a quote unquote

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a hit by the sheriff, and
as is usually the case, police worked

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from the inside out and Liza's inner
circle was first checked for anyone who may

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have a likely motive to kill her. But y'all, she literally had no

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enemies other than the man that she
vowed to love for the rest of her

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life only about a year prior,
so police decided to investigate his alibi that

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he had been at a friend's house
watching the Super Bowl, and there was

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no doubt that he had been at
that house, but his timeline of events

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was something that police wanted to really
scrutinize and say Okay, yeah, he

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went and he watched it, but
what time did he get there? You

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know what a witnesses have to say
about when he got there. So also

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don't forget there was also multiple witnesses
that pointed the finger at a scruffy looking

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vagrant man on a bicycle, and
this too was something that police would need

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to look at closer to determine its
importance, if any, to the killing.

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I mean, let's be honest here, just because you'll look seed doesn't

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mean that you're a killer either.
So we're not gonna judge a book bytes

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cover necessarily, We're just gonna look
at all angles here and see what they

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could come up with. So in
the meantime, ballistic reports had come back

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on the type of ammunition that have
been used to kill Liz Marinello, and

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interestingly, it was known as nclad
ammunition. This MOO isn't necessarily the most

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commonly purchased ammunition and could be useful
possibly in the story because it's not you

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know, the most common I guess
ammunition that would be bought. So they,

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you know, police kind of took
that down, took a note of

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it, and then they kind of
moved on. But the caliber weapon used

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was a thirty eight special, So
for those that aren't familiar with firearms,

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I'm gonna give you a quick explanation
of the weapon and its likely uses,

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and don't get mad at me if
you're like, oh my god, everyone

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knows what that is. Everyone doesn't
know what it is, and it's my

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job to inform the masses. Okay, So wearing a holstered pistol is not

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always an option, right, So
concealment of a weapon can be a challenge

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with some weapons, but this specific
weapon is small, and it's also what's

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been referred to as having an enclosed
hammer. So the way I would explain

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it to you is like in the
old cowboy movies, it's common to see

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the cowboy grab it with his thumb. He's like click right, and he

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pulls back on that hammer, which
then strikes the firing pin. But with

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an enclosed one, it isn't necessary
because it's under spring tension during cocking and

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the trigger simply releases the pin.
So either way, my point is that

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this gun would have been a thoughtful
choice for the killer to use because it's

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easy to tuck in a waistband or
under a shirt. And it's even small

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enough to go into a pocket,
and that hammer wouldn't get caught, which

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I'm not gonna says, always an
issue, but when you're pulling a gun,

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if you've got that hammer, it
can get caught on clothing. Right,

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this kind isn't gonna that's not gonna
happen. And I found that to

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be important to the story because it's
small. It has like a two inch

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barrel, y'all. It weighs like, I don't know, twelve ounces,

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and it's tiny. There's nothing that
it's gonna get caught on because it doesn't

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have that outside hammer, and it
would be very, very very easy to

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conceal. And in his initial statements
to detectives, Vince explained that on the

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evening of August thirty first, he
was at the home of his friends Annette

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and David Daniels, who lived in
Mississippi, and he said he had been

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in the Lakeview area of Meturie or
Metri right, if you're from there,

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he might say Mittrie, But he
was in the Lakeview area of Metai between

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three fifteen and three thirty pm,
which would have been around the time of

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the murder. But he was headed
in the opposite direction of the Daniels home.

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So when asked, you know when
he arrived there specifically, he said

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it was around six pm. His
friends, who didn't give off any red

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flags to police and didn't have any
reason to lie for him, also validated

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that this was the case. But
just because good people verify someone's alibi does

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doesn't make it so. So you
know, it also doesn't make it to

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the minute absolutely correct, because remember
they're thinking back on memory. It wasn't

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like it was in their minds at
the time. Oh, I need to

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document what time Vince gets here,
So detectives decided to get Vince's cell phone

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records, which would likely corroborate his
account of his movements that day if he's

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telling the truth. So this would
have taken a few days to come back,

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so in the meantime, detectives continued
probing Vince's story in other ways.

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He was genuinely the only person on
their radar as a suspect, and he

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was the only person known to be
at odds with Liz, so it just

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didn't make sense to go just you
know, down this random path. So

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police wondered if the Daniels couple,
the friends he was visiting during the game,

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if they ever owned any firearms,
and if so, what type,

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And it turned out that the Daniels
once themselves owned a thirty eight caliber revolver

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according to records. So were they
involved possibly in this murder? I mean,

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there were so many unanswered questions and
possibilities at this point. After further

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discussion, though, it was explained
that the Daniels couple had given a thirty

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eight caliber Charter Arms handgun to Vince
as a gift in the nineteen eighties,

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but that Vince returned that gun to
them things that make you go hmm,

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right, So they gave him a
gun just happens to be the exact same

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gun that Liz is killed with,
and then he just happened to give it

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back to them. So there's a
little confusion at this point, as you

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know, questions are being asked because
mister Daniels also told the detectives that when

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he asked his wife about the gun, she said that she had given it

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to Vince. Yet missus Daniels denied
to police having given the gun to Vince

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and stated that the last time she
saw the gun it was in a bathroom

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closet in their home that was flooded
from the effect of Hurricane Katrina. And

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she further explained though, and this
is important, she said, but Vince

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had access to their lake View home
after the storm. So based on everything

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I have read, I want to
be very crystal clear about this. I

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think this was simply marital confusion and
not some sort of conspiracy. These seemed

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to be good people who were trying
to remember something that happened, you know,

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prior, and confusion just happened in
the mix of questioning. So off

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the top, it does look like, hmm, there's kind of some question

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going back and forth. But I
mean, hell, in my household,

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we forget who took the trash outer
didn't, so to try to remember exactly

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what happened. I mean, it
is a gun, but you know,

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yeah, it's the South. We
have guns everywhere, all right. So

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figuring Vince's work life played a large
role in his whereabouts. Detectives checked in

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with his work to see if they
could possibly give any insight to his recent

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activities. And Diana Newman, she
was the operations and program director at the

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radio station where Vince worked. She
had granted Vince August fourteenth, on August

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fourteenth, she had granted him a
request for vacation, which he asked for

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from August twenty eighth to September the
eighth. It was noted, though,

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that Vince came back and later requested
to be off of work August twenty third

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through the twenty fifth as well.
So during this request for extended leave,

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Miss Newman, when talking to police, said that, you know, Vince

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was usually and this is a direct
quote, even killed. She said,

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he was usually a very even keelled
guy, but that during the summer she

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found him, and this is another
direct quote, more irritated, aggravated,

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angry, even She said, just
something was off about him. He's usually

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this even killed guy and easy to
get along with in jovial, but he

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was just flat out angry and you
know, just not in a good place.

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So police, again, that's no
smoking gun, but you know,

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it is interesting when people have a
shift right in their moods or their or

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typical behaviors. So when Vince was
being questioned, he brushed the statement off,

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and he attributed his behavior to burnout
because during this period of time,

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his work schedule was crazy. It
was following Hurricane Katrina. His coverage was

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NonStop, but either way, he
was having a shift in his normal temperament.

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Now there was another player at work. His name was Todd Manesis,

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and he was an assistant program director, and he would give information that made

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some eyebrows raised. See. He
claimed that he saw Vince in the station's

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elevator on the morning of August thirty
first, when he was under the impression

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that Vince was going to be out
of town. But when they spoke,

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Vince told him, Oh, yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be going out

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of town, but I'm leaving later
today. But that's that's not what got

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is interest. What struck him as
like the most odd thing was that during

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their conversation, Vince was typically all
a very well dressed man, but on

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August thirty first, in that elevator, Todd said, he just seemed extremely

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disheveled. Basically, he said,
he looked like a direct quote a hobo.

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He was unshaven, he was wearing
wrinkled and old clothing. And later

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on, when he and Diane Newman
learned of the murder of Liz and then

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heard the description of the suspect.
The suspect the next morning, Todd said

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he literally called Diane Newman and let
her know, my god, I think

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Vince killed Liz. He matches the
description, okay, but just pointing fingers

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and accusations and what you think happened. That that's not what we do here,

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right, We have to have more
more than just that. So another

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witness in the air of the shooting
also came forward to talk to police,

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and this witness said that the afternoon
of the murder, he saw a scraggly

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old man loading a bicycle in the
back of a white Taurus. This clue

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wasn't really working though, for police, because Vince didn't own a white Taurus.

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So it was kind of like,
you know how, I don't know.

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Obviously, you like true crime and
you've been listening for a while,

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but it becomes kind of a thing
that whenever something big goes down, people

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come out of the woodworks, and
it's like they want to be a part

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of it, whether it's good,
bad, and different, it's like they

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just want to be a part of
it. And so this almost came across

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as one of those hot tips,
but it wasn't so hot because they didn't

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jive with anything that was going on, and Vince didn't know the car,

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so why are you inserting yourself in
it? So detectives at this point couldn't

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put Vince at the scene, right, But gut instincts of experienced law enforcement

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told them keep probing. There is
more to this. You've got to keep

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chipping away at this. So detectives
asked a judge to approve a search warrant,

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which would be approved and executed shortly
thereafter. And this warrant was for

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the FEMA trailer and FEMA, y'all, the Federal Emergency Management right, you

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know them all right? It was
a FEMA trailer that he was living in

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following his separation from Liz see their
Lakeview home. The FEMA trailer was outside

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of that, and he considered the
FEMA trailer that was his place of living.

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Was that FEMA trailer, So that's
where he would have had his things.

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Maybe they would be able to find
some evidence stowed away in that tiny

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trailer, but you would have to
be an absolute idiot to do so.

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But I mean people have done you
know, dumber things before, right,

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I mean, welcome to the world
a true crime. So even more striking

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than the warrant was the fact that
police would find out in the meantime that

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Vince was driving a loner vehicle based
on the effects of Hurricane Katrina ruining everything

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in its path, and you won't
be able to get us what they found

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out? What was the loaner vehicle
he was driving at the time of the

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murder? Come on, guess it, Say it out loud, Say it

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out loud. I know you're thinking
it. Guess what the police found It

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was a white Tourus. Wow.
What a kwinkie dink right. It turns

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out an area Ford dealership had provided
Vents with a loaner two thousand and six

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white Ford taurusts earlier in the month
ret row. That's not good, Vince.

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What are the chances right? Hmm? Again, coincidences though, don't

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mean murder. Well. Additionally,
a custodial worker at that nearby school,

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remember there was a teacher that had
said she's kept seeing that guy go by

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each day. Well, a custodial
worker at that nearby school told police that

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on the afternoon of August thirty first, she saw a man with facial hair

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getting out of a white car parked
in the teacher's parking lot. And what

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really got her attention was that she
then witnessed him removing a bicycle from the

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trunk. First of all, on
behalf of teachers everywhere, don't you pull

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up in our parking spots. Those
are reserved for us. They pay us

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hundreds of thousands of pennies each year, and you will not come take our

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parking spots. All right, but
all jokes aside. A white car gets

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parked in the teacher parking lot and
the dude pulls a bicycle out the back.

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Hello. Well, at the same
time, there was a parrot at

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the school. His name was Spencer
Harris, and Spencer Harris also said that

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while he was parked and he was
waiting for his son to get out of

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school, a disheveled looking man driving
a white Ford Taurus turned in front of

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him parked, and then I guess
it was kind of comical because he seemed

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to struggle to pull a bicycle out
from the back of it. So we

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have two different people from two different
vantage points seeing the exact same thing,

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and it's a white Ford Taurus and
a bicycle being pulled out. He remembered

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too. He told the police the
man was dressed warmly for the heat because

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he had at least two shirts on, a baseball cap and a flannel outer

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shirt, and he noticed that the
man's beard was really unkempt, and that

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just that led him to contact the
police when the suspects description had been released

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to the public. So it seems
a lot of people noticed this scraggly man

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in his wretched attempts at hiding in
plain sight. Well, on September seventh,

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police searched that FEMA trailer that Marinella
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the way, I do have photos
of that, and I will put that

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in a Patreon album for y'all if
y'all know how I like to organize it

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so it's easy to find, I'll
put it on there. But obviously the

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trailer wasn't that big, but they
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But detectives even quicker determined that the
weapon had no evidentiary value to this

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case because it wasn't consis with the
weapon used to murder Liz. Detectives would

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also come across what looked like typical
like a typical paperwork stack in someone's home,

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but man, would it provide a
whole treasure trove of circumstantial evidence I

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literally could not make this up if
I tried. Okay, police walk in,

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find a gun, this isn't the
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they look at the paperwork, and
in the paperwork they find a notepad.

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And on that notepad there was a
fourteen point checklist. And he had made

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this apparently before he left to go
to the Super Bowl party sometime I don't

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know a day, but he had
made this list. And the funny thing

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is that this to do list looked
a whole lot like what a hit list

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would have looked like. I mean
literally meticulously detailing the steps to be taken

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that day, and included things that
seemed to be what would have happened before

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and after the shooting of Liz Marionello. I'm gonna give you some direct quotes,

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okay, because I don't want to
be miss you know, I don't

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want to say anything wrong here.
This list, by the way, isn't

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all inclusive or anything. But here's
a few things on the list, and

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you just describe, you decide how
they strike you. Okay. Number one

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end a quote gun dash river on
the way to Mama. Now, this

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is interesting for obvious reasons, right, the gun, but Guess what Vince's

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nickname was for his ex and his
friend Annette, because he and Annette had

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dated before. Guess what his nickname
for her was? Mama so Gun River

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on the way to Mama. Okay. There was another line that read and

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I quote motive dash maybe dash all
caps not strong. Another one read quote

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close dash and then that closed sections
section was broken down and listed as gloves,

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mustache, shoes, and shirt.
Now, Vince didn't have a mustache,

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and even if he did, I
mean, I don't think he's going

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to go around burning his own face. I mean, I'm just assuming,

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But would a grown ass man in
like his sixties go buy a costume to

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kill his wife? I mean that's
almost comical, right, But why the

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hell you going burn a mustache?
Whose mustache you burn in? While you

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getting crazy? Vins? So detectives
would get Vince's cell phone records in about

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this time, and they would discover
that Vince had told the truth ish the

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truth Ish. His account of his
actions on the day of the shooting checked

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out, but his timeline was actually
a bit off. See his cell phone

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datas showed him in New Orleans at
the time of the shooting, not on

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his way to Mississippi. But that
doesn't prove anything other than his time line,

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you know, wasn't quite right.
Another issue would arise, however,

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when his alibi became not so ironclad
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When questioned on specifics, she would
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that day, specifically Vince's arrival time
at the party. So now we're kind

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of starting to get into some meeting
Tator's right of the point, and it

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ain't looking too good because everybody's kind
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So Captain Maggie Pernia of the Jefferson
Pari Sheriff's Office went to see Miss

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Daniels at her home on September the
sixth and to question her, and Miss

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Daniels explained that Vince arrived eight and
he turned on the television like simultaneously,

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and that the New Orleans Saints,
who that baby. The New Orleans Saints

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football game was already in progress.
So Captain Pernia knew that the football game

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had a seven thirty pm kickoff,
so this would make that timeline not even

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plausible, considering the game started after
She said that he arrived. Yet she

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said he arrived and turned on the
TV. You know, after the game

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had already started. It just doesn't
make sense based on the timeline, and

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originally mss Daniels on September second said
that Vince arrived between five and six pm,

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but that simply couldn't be true based
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You can't argue that. She also
now added that between Vince's arrival time

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and the beginning of the football game, she now says, oh, and

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Vince also accompanied me to a convenience
store. At first, though this trip

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to the store was never mentioned,
but now on this additional date of questioning,

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it was the case. Y'all.
I wasn't there, So this is

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strictly, you know, an opinion
I'm making right now. But I wouldn't

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have forgotten that we went to the
store beforehand. I don't know, I

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don't know what was going on here, and I don't want to speculate.

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It just seems I don't know.
That seems a bit odd. Miss Daniel's

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adult daughter would also state that when
she first saw Vince at the home that

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evening, he was on the sofa
and he was reading the newspaper and she

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says, oh, in the five
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So this was certainly raising a whole, you know, a whole lot of

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questions. One minute he's gone,
he's got to the convenience store first.

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The next minute he's arriving, eating
and the game is already on. And

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then the next one is saying,
oh, no, he was there watching

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the news. So something, something's
not right. So Captain Pernia decided to

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test Vince's claim of events, and
she was going to make the trip herself,

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and she was going to go make
it exactly how Vince had had done

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so, so on a different day. Now, after she had questioned Miss

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Daniels and got all the information,
and she had already spoken to Vince and

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he gave his his you know,
belief of what had happened, she decided

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to take the trip herself. And
she based her start time on the cell

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phone record information, because that's a
non negotiable. The phone was going off

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and pinging on a tower, we
know where you were. And the trip

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was approximately one hundred and seventy miles
and she left at precisely four to ten

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pm, so her leaving time lined
up right with when Vince's phone records show

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where he was, and she began
the trip from the location where a witness

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saw the white Ford taurusts. Combined
with the cell phone times at that time

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or location, the start location was
two blocks from the crime scene. So

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real quick, if you aren't from
this area, I want you to know

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that the next list of interstate exits
are in order from New Orleans towards Flucker,

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Mississippi. So she drove the speed
limit and she arrived in Ponchaitula at

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four fifty six pm. She was
at the second Hammond exit at five oh

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three pm, the a Meet exit
at five sixteen pm, Exit fifty at

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five nineteen pm, and the Greensburg
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And the trip you know it took
her one hour and twenty six minutes.

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So Captain Pernia stated that the full
trip, the full round trip was two

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hours and thirty nine minutes. So
Vince's timeline matched the detectives almost perfectly,

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that is, if he left from
the area of the murder, not his

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home address. The record further showed
that at four fifty one pm, Vince

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received an incoming call which was not
connected, and at the time that telephone

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was located within five miles of a
Ponchitula, Louisiana. Celt Other incoming but

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unanswered calls were received at four point
fifty six pm and registered at a cell

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tower near Hammond, Louisiana. So
at and I'm giving you a lot of

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times and all that, but I'm
telling you, if you're making a timeline,

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this makes total sense. At five
oh nine PM and at five eleven

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PM both registered at a tower in
a Meet, Louisiana, and at five

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sixteen PM registered at a site in
Flucker, Louisiana. So based on this

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testing of Vince's own story, there
was at least forty one minutes of unexplained

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time at the beginning of the story
where his location claims don't match his cell

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phone records. It also makes you
wonder why a man who was usually able

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to be contacted via cell phone was
now not answering during this time. Okay,

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maybe he didn't hear it ring,
maybe he was preoccupied with other activities

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while driving, or maybe he just
didn't want to talk because he was stressed

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out, or because he didn't think
his cell phone would register if it wasn't

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answered. Think about it. People
didn't know back then. I say back

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then, like it was like full
score and seven years ago, you know.

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But you know, people weren't as
aware of cell phone towers and how

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that worked. And Lati das so
maybe he was thinking, if I don't

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answer my phone, it can't verify
my location. But that's just not the

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case. There was another issue for
Vince now too, the video surveillance of

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someone clearly dressed in disguise and riding
a bicycle to and from the scene.

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That was kind of starting to pose
an issue too, based on everyone else's

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description of this guy on a bicycle
right. So Sergeant Dax Russo of the

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JPSO retrieved that that surveillance footage from
Metorie towers and Sergeant Russo clearly saw a

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man wearing a cap and a flannel
plaid type shirt over a white shirt in

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the video. The person appeared on
the video at the three thirty PM and

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then he paced in the parking lot
for a few minutes prior to the shooting.

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Now, as far as body language
goes, he had his arms crossed

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at times as he was anxiously kind
of waiting, and then around three fifty

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three pm, the suspect moved in
the direction of Liz's vehicle, and Liz

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would leave the building three minutes later, and on the video at three fifty

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seven pm, just four minutes later, Liz was on the ground with two

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bullets to the face. So while
this puzzle isn't you know, a beautiful

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picture yet, it's not time to
shall lack it and frame it. It's

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kind of starting to make a pretty
clear image here. Sergeant Russo also had

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a portion of the video which showed
a two thousand and six white Ford Taurus

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driving into the parking lot earlier in
the afternoon. That's not suspicion anything,

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right, I mean, what a
goingket inc that the same loaner car,

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same year, same model that Vents
was using, would drive into the same

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parking lot as Liz would be murdered
in that exact same day. So detectives

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continued to do what they do,
and they would poke and prod around the

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area of the murder and question people
and businesses alike about anything they may have

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00:31:18.599 --> 00:31:23.079
heard or seen concerning the murder of
Liz Marinello. And in his first statement

408
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:30.440
to police, Vince denied having owned
or fired a handgun, But he did

409
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:34.920
mention that he had purchased a nine
millimeter handgun at a gun shop called Elliot's

410
00:31:36.559 --> 00:31:40.319
within the previous month. Now,
why would he do this? Why did

411
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you go buy a gun just in
the previous month before your wife's murder,

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00:31:41.920 --> 00:31:45.640
even though this gun is not the
same gun that would have the same caliber

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00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:48.839
that would have killed Liz. And
he said that he felt that he needed

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it because his lake View neighborhood was
dark at night and sparsely populated. So,

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considering this information and the fact that
people who were in the things tend

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to minimize but they'll give up a
little bit to make it look like,

417
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you know, plausible deniability, I
guess. But considering that information, police

418
00:32:09.759 --> 00:32:15.599
detectives traveled to Elliott's on September the
fifth, and they did retrieve a receipt

419
00:32:15.680 --> 00:32:23.880
for a nine millimeter handgun that Vince
had bought it checked out, But while

420
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they were exiting the store, an
employee named Alan Reese came up to them

421
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.200
and said, hang on a second, I think I have a little bit

422
00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:37.599
of information you might you might want
to hear. Intrigued, detectives said what

423
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she got and he said, well, on a previous occasion it was probably

424
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:50.640
July. Vince had come in the
store with a thirty eight caliber handgun for

425
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:54.160
test firing. Well, this was
obviously really interesting to the police, considering

426
00:32:54.240 --> 00:32:59.839
Vince that he never owned one before, so they listened further as he explained

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00:32:59.880 --> 00:33:06.559
that Vince also purchased are you ready? Ni Clad ammunition? And this was

428
00:33:06.559 --> 00:33:12.039
an incredible claim to be randomly made, considering the ammunition used in the crime

429
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had not been released at this time, even though there were press conferences,

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Nobody but the killer and the detectives
knew what type of ammunition would have been

431
00:33:22.200 --> 00:33:28.519
used. But guess what it was
Ni Clad ammo that killed Liz. Two

432
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:34.200
thirty eight rounds of Ni Clad ammunition
are exactly what had been retrieved from Liz's

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00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:39.000
skull at her autopsy, and the
ammo was consistent with having been shot by

434
00:33:39.039 --> 00:33:45.759
a Charter Arms firearm. This ammo
was a rather rare purchase with the bullets

435
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:50.799
because they're nylon coated. And the
even bigger kicker about this ammo was Captain

436
00:33:50.839 --> 00:33:55.079
Timothy Scanlon had been doing some research
of his own and guess what he found.

437
00:33:55.720 --> 00:34:01.440
Elliot's Gun Shop was the only store
that was found to be selling the

438
00:34:01.559 --> 00:34:07.960
ammunition of that type in the New
Orleans area. So if it was bought,

439
00:34:07.559 --> 00:34:12.280
it was bought at Elliott's, and
Vince had bought it, and he

440
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:15.920
had bought it at Elliott's. Now, why would the employee have remembered him

441
00:34:15.920 --> 00:34:20.079
making that purchase, you may wonder, out of all of the patrons who

442
00:34:20.079 --> 00:34:22.280
had entered the store in the past
few months, why would he remember that

443
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:31.320
well, that beloved celebrity status Vince
craved. That employee recognized him from none

444
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:36.800
other than the television. And I
know this guy had to be telling the

445
00:34:36.800 --> 00:34:37.960
truth. Let me tell you a
little side story real quick. My daughter

446
00:34:38.039 --> 00:34:44.760
was in an honor choir and we
went to a concert a few weeks ago,

447
00:34:45.119 --> 00:34:46.199
and I'm sitting there and this guy
is standing in front of me,

448
00:34:46.679 --> 00:34:50.159
or sitting in front of me,
and I recognized him, and I couldn't

449
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.639
place him, but I knew that
I knew him, but I just couldn't

450
00:34:52.679 --> 00:34:54.880
figure out out figured out, and
then boom, if it didn't hit me

451
00:34:54.880 --> 00:34:59.400
in the middle of the last solo, it was Matt Williams. He's a

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00:34:59.440 --> 00:35:02.800
local, a sportscaster right here in
Baton Rouge. And I said, my

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00:35:02.880 --> 00:35:05.840
god, and so when it was
over, I walked up and said,

454
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.840
dude, you don't know this,
but I thought I knew you. And

455
00:35:07.880 --> 00:35:08.440
he goes, well, I don't
know you. I said, well,

456
00:35:08.599 --> 00:35:10.480
you're mad, aren't you. He
said, yeah, so what I'm Kelly.

457
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.960
He said, well, nice to
meet you, Kelly. I said,

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00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:15.719
I just recognize you from TV and
he said, you'd be surprised.

459
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:17.039
People can't figure it out, but
then once they get it, it's like,

460
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.280
oh, duh, right, you
feel like you knew somebody. Well,

461
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:23.880
that's how this guy knew Vents.
Employees at another store in the area

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00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.800
had some pretty interesting information for police
as well. So as you know,

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00:35:29.320 --> 00:35:32.039
many witnesses claimed the scruffy man they
had seen looked as though he had a

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00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:37.360
fake facial hair. So Captain Thornton, who was doing some investigating, began

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00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:40.760
to question whether or not this was
a real, you know, beard or

466
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:45.480
not that all of these people were
seeing. So, being creative, he

467
00:35:45.599 --> 00:35:50.480
found himself at a whig store in
New Orleans, y'all, and when he

468
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.639
went in, he kind of,
I guess, felt silly at first,

469
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:57.039
but he was told by the employees
that in fact, they knew Vince Marinella

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00:35:57.119 --> 00:36:00.239
had come in and bought a mustache. He bought it on August twenty second.

471
00:36:01.119 --> 00:36:06.760
That employee remembered everything about the purchase. He was even able to tell

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00:36:06.800 --> 00:36:08.760
them that when Vince was checking out, he said, well, man,

473
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:12.639
if you're buying the mustache, you
might need to get some of this sticky

474
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.199
to apply the mustache, you know, or a beard onto your face.

475
00:36:16.480 --> 00:36:21.760
And Vince told him, oh,
I already have it. So doing his

476
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:27.760
due diligence, investigator Captain Thornton asked
Vince in another in a reinterview whether he

477
00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:31.239
had a beard or mustache, you
know, a fake one. So Vince

478
00:36:31.280 --> 00:36:37.000
explained that he had worn a hair
piece for many years and had actually recently

479
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:43.400
purchased a mustache to enhance his appearance. So I'm going to post pictures of

480
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.440
this so you can see it.
But Vince, Vince was known for that

481
00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:51.719
big old hair piece he wore on
top. All right, call it vain,

482
00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:53.000
call it whatever you want, but
he did. He always had that

483
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.800
big old hair piece, boufont thing
on top of his head. And now

484
00:36:57.840 --> 00:37:01.039
all of a sudden, he's going
to go buy a fake mustache at a

485
00:37:01.079 --> 00:37:06.920
costume store to try to enhance his
appearance. Huh, I don't think so,

486
00:37:07.079 --> 00:37:12.599
Vince, He denied, though he
said that he purchased it to use.

487
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:15.320
Uh, he said, Look,
I purchased it to wear for real.

488
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:19.280
I did not purchase this as a
disguise. Can you imagine think about

489
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:22.119
a party store. Think about going
and getting a costume, a mustache and

490
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:25.679
sticking that bad boy on and pretending
like that's gonna look real. Give me

491
00:37:25.719 --> 00:37:30.880
a break. Common sense would tell
you that's ridiculous. But he added to

492
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.840
the cop he said, he threw
it away. He threw away that purchase

493
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:38.360
mustache because he didn't like it.
It wasn't the look he was shooting for.

494
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:45.519
No pun intended. So now another
man by the name of David Selmo,

495
00:37:45.920 --> 00:37:49.320
he was a handyman. He had
been renovating Vince's lake View residence.

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00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.280
He contacted detectives around this time.
It was right after they had held a

497
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.920
press conference, and it included information
regarding what the state referred to as a

498
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:02.800
quote unquote checklist recovered from Vince's trailer. So why did David Selmo contact police?

499
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.800
While in late July or in August, Vince and the handyman had been

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00:38:08.000 --> 00:38:12.519
just chatting it up while he was
working at the house, and the handyman's

501
00:38:12.599 --> 00:38:16.679
military background came up in conversation.
Considering that he was a military guy,

502
00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:22.920
Vince and the man started talking about
firearms, and when Vince realized, oh

503
00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:27.719
wow, he's got some knowledge of
firearms, Vince went and retrieved an older

504
00:38:28.119 --> 00:38:34.760
vintage thirty eight caliber handgun from his
vehicle and brought it to show David.

505
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.159
So, now either David is flat
outline about this or Vince was flat outline

506
00:38:39.159 --> 00:38:45.360
that he never owned a thirty eight. Now, in conversation, he and

507
00:38:45.480 --> 00:38:51.679
Vince were talking about the gun,
and David said Vince specifically asked him whether

508
00:38:51.760 --> 00:38:55.360
a silencer could be attached or not, which David would explain, no,

509
00:38:55.559 --> 00:39:02.559
it's not possible to put a silencer
on that revolver. So that white tourist

510
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:07.880
that Vince was driving as a loaner, remember that it was finally taken into

511
00:39:07.880 --> 00:39:13.400
police custody and it was processed for
any evidence that could be found, and

512
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:19.599
Captain Scanlon would find that the driver's
side door, the arm rest, and

513
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:27.400
a large portion of the steering wheel
returned a presumptive positive for gunshot residue.

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00:39:27.480 --> 00:39:31.159
They also found a box of nine
millimeter bullets from the glove box, but

515
00:39:31.280 --> 00:39:35.880
they quickly determined that these were not
the source of the residue found throughout the

516
00:39:35.960 --> 00:39:40.960
vehicle. Captain Scanlan further noted that
the vehicle was scratched. Guess where it

517
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:49.480
was scratched on the rear on the
bumper. Why would this minor detail be

518
00:39:49.559 --> 00:39:54.079
mentioned, Well, it was documented
due to witnesses who kept saying that they

519
00:39:54.119 --> 00:39:58.760
thought it was funny they watched the
scraggly old man struggle to pull a bike

520
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:04.199
out of the back of the car. Are the scratches were consistent with the

521
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.840
marks that a bicycle would make being
drug from the back of a vehicle if

522
00:40:08.840 --> 00:40:14.400
someone were struggling to get it out. Now, you want me to give

523
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:16.960
you one more little fun nugget of
information that kind of makes you go hmmm.

524
00:40:19.920 --> 00:40:27.079
Vince's own mama lived in a condo
that overlooked the parking lot where Liz

525
00:40:27.199 --> 00:40:35.599
was executed. Vince was familiar with
this area, y'all. Based on everything

526
00:40:35.639 --> 00:40:39.519
that I just described to you,
a grand jury indicted Vince Marinella for second

527
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:44.840
degree murder in December of two thousand
and six. Now, in light of

528
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.880
the media coverage, the trial court
did grant Vice Vince had they had filed

529
00:40:47.880 --> 00:40:51.440
a motion for a change of venue
because they're saying, oh, he's got

530
00:40:51.480 --> 00:40:53.840
you know, he's oh he's too
to celebrity status, it's too well known,

531
00:40:53.880 --> 00:40:58.199
blah blah blah. But the courts
agreed, they did grant him that

532
00:40:58.199 --> 00:41:00.239
that change of venue. And then
in number of two thousand and eight,

533
00:41:00.599 --> 00:41:07.159
following a jury trial in Lafayette in
the fifteenth Judicial District, a jury returned

534
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:13.280
a unanimous verdict of guilty as charged
of second degree murder, and Vince Marinella

535
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:17.239
was sentenced to life in prison.
Now five days later, he did suffer

536
00:41:17.280 --> 00:41:22.400
a heart attack, y'all, but
he recovered and he was shipped off to

537
00:41:22.440 --> 00:41:28.880
the infamous Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola
to serve out the rest of his sentence.

538
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:35.079
And once he arrived, he was
issued a brand new mugshot. This

539
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.400
one, though, it had him
all natural, without his signature hairpiece to

540
00:41:39.480 --> 00:41:45.159
hide behind, and as you can
imagine, the media went wild when the

541
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.920
photo was released, as it would
be the first time the people of New

542
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.559
Orleans had ever seen his shiny bald
head. Now, as a bonus for

543
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:59.159
my patron members, I have a
little treat for you. I'm going to

544
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:02.599
be releasing a bone episode with my
personal encounters with Vince because guess what,

545
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.519
Vince Marinello was my filing clerk while
I was at main prison at Angola.

546
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:15.000
But while my conversations with Vince didn't
reveal the sheer violence that he was capable

547
00:42:15.039 --> 00:42:22.159
of, I did realize something about
him. That balding head he was so

548
00:42:22.280 --> 00:42:27.559
embarrassed of was a lot like his
lies. The bigger it got, the

549
00:42:27.599 --> 00:42:28.920
harder it was to cover up