Part Two | First Date: The Shayna Hubers Case

0:06 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering, how is this even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil, many feel they are unspeakable.

0:50 Warning. Unspeakable is intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, KJ here back with another episode of Unspeakable. How is your week going? Can you tell that my voice is jacked up? I don't know, it's going out and I don't know why. So I'm sorry if I sound a little scratchy. Hopefully it doesn't affect the episode for you that my voice sounds a little weird, but it is what it is. So I've got a couple of shout outs that I have to do. And to be honest with you, I don't remember if I've already done one of these or not. So if I'm giving you a double shout out, You're welcome. But I'm going to start in Houston, Texas, where I have Christina Gutierrez. How are you doing, Christina? What is going on in your neck of the woods? Houston is awesome. I cannot remember. I had talked to somebody and said I was excited to go because of a Teddy Swims concert that was coming up.

1:44 And now I'm like, wait a minute, was that Christina or was that somebody else? So either way, if it was you, I'm saying, hey, again, what is up, my friend? If it wasn't, then I'm so happy to have you. I'm waving at you. at the camera. And then still in Texas is Amber Tweeddale. And Amber, again, I feel like I have already given you a shout out, but you were still on my list and I'm not letting anybody down. So Amber, what's up with you? You're over there in Texas too, in Baytown, Texas. And I hope that you're having a great week. Tell all your friends that I said, hey, and thank you so much for your support. And we will round this out in Smithfield, Virginia, where Sarah Grotman is. And Sarah, How are things over in Virginia? I hope that they are going really well for you. I'm having a good time over here at the time I'm recording this. We haven't actually had Halloween yet, so I'm excited to go take my kids trick-or-treating and us to have a great weekend. So I'm going to start and get back going on part two. But I do also want to give a shout out to the lady that sent me a review and emailed it to me to tell me that the episode in part one, she had never heard before. And then she went ahead and outlined the story for me and what she had heard.

2:57 And I just want to say, yep, thumbs up. That's it. You've got it right. I just haven't finished the episode yet. So that's probably why you haven't heard it all yet from me. So thank you. I appreciate y'all letting me know that there's more to the story. And I know that. And so I'm going to finish it for you today. Y'all got to let me get through it all before you say I didn't finish it. So here we go. This is just for you. So where we left off last week with that young lawyer, his name is Ryan Poston. He was shot dead in his apartment. And his on-again, off-again girlfriend, was the one who had shot him. But what exactly had happened was still needing to be determined. So Shana, Shana Huber, she was the on-again, off-again girlfriend, and her account was Of what had happened that night was that there was that fight. It moved about throughout the apartment. It went from the bedroom into the basic entry area that was like the main living areas of the apartment. And she was being thrown around, thrown into the couch. And then eventually she was able to get control of this gun that they fought over. And she ended up having to shoot him to make it stop.

4:06 I also mentioned to you those elderly neighbors that lived below Ryan, and they said that they had never heard any shouting before, but they had heard all of the shots and specifically said the cadence of the shots were bang, bang. There was a pause, bang, bang, bang, bang. There was another neighbor also mentioned that said she had seen marks on Shana before. After a previous altercation with Ryan, she had told this to investigators. And so there was still a whole lot that they needed to look into to figure out what these two people were all about and what might follow up and make sense in terms of what the evidence was showing them. So early in the investigation, it was very clear Shana had shot Ryan. But the central question at this juncture was whether that shooting was justified self-defense or was this just murder, right? Just murder cold-blooded that had taken place. So investigators really wanted to dig deep and go further into the lives of these two people and see exactly what the couple was like.

5:09 Of course, social media, that's going to be something looked at. But social media only tells you so much. And I think we all know this. Social media only shows you what people want you to see. People paint a picture of their lives. And unless you really know them and you're with them day in and day out, you probably wouldn't pick up on that there's some other stuff going on in their life. People don't put that on display. And so online, the couple was having some really good times together. And they also had these really strong, what I would like to call independent lives. Shana was very social. She seemingly had a lot of friends. There were tons of photos of her smiling, going to events and things of that nature, posing with her friends, drinking drinks, all of those things. Ryan, too, he was the same way.

6:01 They were successful people in the prime of their lives type display on social media. But going and speaking with friends and acquaintances, a newer, more eye-opening insight was provided. And this insight I'm speaking to specifically came from Ryan's people. So his female friends, he had a lot of female friends, they described Shana as very cold towards them. Cold. That was their choice of descriptions. So while she would go to events with them and she would be places that they would go, she wasn't very keen on letting other women into her inner circle. I'm not saying she wouldn't smile or say hello, but it was nothing more than that. She had no interest in integrating herself into the friend group beyond being Ryan's girlfriend. And to be clear, I mean female friends of Ryan's. I am not saying or implying that Shana didn't have her own female friends.

7:03 I'm saying these were Ryan's female friends that felt that she just wasn't very adaptive to joining their circles. But Ryan was also very popular with women. So the question that investigators had to ask themselves was, was this possibly more of like a catfight situation over Ryan? Or, you know, was this just women not getting along? But then as they're talking to more people and more women specifically, the word obsessed was actually thrown around, especially in Shana's direction. The way Ryan's friends described it is that he was a very busy lawyer who had tried to end things with Shana multiple times, but Shana just didn't want to let it go. But Ryan and these investigators are kind of looking at everything. Ryan was a grown man. He was a lawyer, for God's sake. You would think that he would be able to negotiate a breakup. Lawyers are, you know, they're trained to take things on directly and to weigh all of the information and to lay it out there. So you would think that this would be something that he would be able to work out, to mitigate. Well, looking into Ryan's cell phone, this would give even more insight to these claims because investigators did find a text that he had sent to a friend where Ryan basically said that he was only with Shana because she would cry and she would make him feel horrible anytime that

8:36 he would try to break it off and she would completely fall apart. He said he didn't want to hurt her and she seemed to take it very hard Every time that he had tried, she would just completely fall apart. So this relationship had continued off and on for 18 months in this endless cycle of get together, break up, crying, feeling bad, get back together. Well, when the cell phone reports from both of their phones came in, Shana's and Ryan's, the detailed logs were very much scrutinized because the reality is this, in an investigation, People are only going to know what people tell them or how they act around them.

9:23 They're never going to know everything. How often have you heard stories where people are like, no, there's no way that person never could do that, never would do that. And then sure enough, they did. You're looking at somebody who has friends that have murdered other friends. And I would have never in my entire life guessed that they were capable of that. I have a person that was a very close friend to me, not anymore, for obvious reasons. When I tell you he's in prison for the rest of his life for being a child rapist, I would never have put up with that. Never. And if you would have asked me, would he have done that? I would say, are you insane? The truth is that anybody is capable of anything and any investigator worth their salt is going to look into every possible aspect to get a full rounded view of what is going on. So when they were looking at both of these people's phone logs, Ryan and Shana, there were tons of of calls between the both of them. But there were even more texts between them. And I'm talking about a lot, okay, a lot, so many that I wanted to give perspective to you. So I looked up a very brief research on this. But I looked up what is the average number of text messages that someone sends in a year. And I even honed it into people of the of the rough age group, the same age group, roughly as Shana and Ryan. And what I got back was that the daily average in the US ranges from

10:55 20 to 50 text messages per day. So we're talking from late teens to your early 30s, 20 to 50 messages per day, which equals roughly 7,300 to 18,250 text messages per year. I want you to have that for perspective because between Shana and Ryan, these investigators found hundreds of of thousands, hundreds of thousands of text messages between them. That number is wild. It is wildly, wildly outside of the scope of the average. That's why I gave you the numbers. But when they were looking at text after text after text, my God, page after page after page, like what the hell do all these people have to talk about? The investigators honed in that there was actually a trend here in these text messages. And that trend was that most of the texts were one way, meaning from Shana to Ryan. The ratio there was for every 50 text messages, 50, 5-0, that Shana would send to Ryan, he would send back one. 50 to one. Put yourself in your life right now. Who do you text the most?

12:17 I'll tell you right now, it's probably my husband or my kids. If I send 50 damn text messages and I get back one, somebody's coming home and I'm rolling in hot. Why the hell you're not answering me, right? Because that's who I talk to the most. That's who I have the most to talk to. So it kind of lends itself to what's going on here. 50 to one was the exchange of the messages. So investigators obviously wanted to get some feedback from Ryan's family too, as well as some other friends that he had. So they went out and they questioned even more people, not just these random friends that he had. So a female cousin of Ryan's, for specifics, I want you to know it was his family. It was his cousin. She said that she had been talking to Ryan in recent time right before his death. And his exact words to her were that Shana was, quote, restraining. Shana, excuse me, I said it funny. Shana was, quote, restraining order crazy, end quote.

13:18 restraining order crazy. He elaborated on that with his cousin that she would show up unannounced and when they would argue or whatever would be the case, she would then refuse to leave. When he was like, just go. She would not leave. No, I'm not leaving. When she would text him while he was at work, Obviously, he wouldn't always answer. He was busy. Okay, he was an attorney. It wasn't like he worked for himself and could just like freely just have the day off or something. He was an attorney. He had obligations. So when they went, the investigators went, they wanted to speak to his office workers, people that worked with him, other lawyers included. And one person in particular they talked to was his legal assistant.

14:01 And she said, That at one point, Ryan looked her in the face and said that Shana was the craziest fucking person he'd ever met. Those were his words, not me making that bigger than it was. The craziest fucking person he'd ever met. So again, was he just blowing off steam after an argument? Because obviously this was a volatile relationship whenever he was saying this to his assistant. Or, you know, that could be a possibility. Or was it that the assistant... had, you know, had her own thoughts about what was going on. But the assistant had like her own input to her thoughts on Shana because she had also had interactions with Shana. She was personally aware that Shana would call the law office multiple times because he would not respond to her text messages. This was a law firm, not a dating firm. So the calls were an annoyance to everyone, not just Ryan. It was like, get a hold of your woman, dude. You know, we got things to do and she's making all these phone calls.

15:10 His legal assistant had at one point started to kind of worry about Ryan. She said that he seemed completely outdone with Shana, but it never ended. It just kept cycling. And in February of 2012, Ryan had sent a text message to Shana, investigators found it, where he told her, look, Shana, if it makes you feel better, you can go tell everyone that you broke up with me. Go tell them that. You decided to end it with me. That's fine. I don't care. Okay, this is not about ego. You can be the winner in this. I don't care. And then later on, he straight up told her in a text message, and I'm like kind of quoting here, and I say kind of quoting because some stuff is kind of missing, but Stop texting me. I no longer have the patience to deal with you. That sounds like a guy that's over it. But it also sounds like a guy that if you're in a fight, that's some stuff they might say to you. But there was another aspect of this that police could not ignore. And it's that Ryan and Shana would get back together. They would have arguments and then they would get back together. And they would be seen doing things with one another. So toxic? Absolutely. I think we've pretty much established that. But this information that they were receiving at this point was mainly coming from one side of the case. And that's Ryan's people, if you're following the order I'm giving this. And there's three sides to most stories. There's his. There's hers. And the

16:43 truth likely falls somewhere in between. If you don't agree with what I'm telling you, go ask a police officer. Go ask an attorney. They'll probably tell you the same thing. And it's not because people are bad. It's not because all people are liars. It's because people tend to put themselves in the better light. They may just see it one way. Their perspective is their perspective of how things went. So what did Shana's friends and family have to say about her side of things? Well, speaking with her mother, her mother's name was Ms. Sharon. She supported her daughter and she echoed much of the good things that Shana had done in her lifetime and that were known by other people from her past, that she had lots of accomplishments.

17:28 She was educated. She had goals, all those types of things. But when it turned to discussion about Ryan, Ms. Sharon added information about him that hadn't been mentioned by anyone else. She told the police that that Ryan was obsessed with guns. And there was such an obsession there that she had even warned Shana. She was worried about that aspect of their relationship, especially when things got rocky. Because if someone's a gun enthusiast, you never know what they might be capable of. That was her mother worrying about her. But while Mama may have been really worried, Shana disregarded that aspect of him and wanted the relationship to work. She wanted it to work. So her mother also did say, look, I'm not aware of any fighting that occurred the day of the shooting. She even followed up with that and said Shana had actually been very sick that morning. She went to the hospital the morning of the shooting. And to that point, she said, I know this for a fact because I myself had been at the apartment. I was checking on her. Things were fine. And if you remember, I did tell you that last episode. Ryan came out of his room and Ms. Sharon was there rubbing Shana's feet on the couch. Not to mention that we can't forget something about this. Shana had spent the previous evening with him. She went to the debate, that presidential debate,

19:02 at his parents' house before then spending the night with him the night before the shooting. So, Why would she be spending the night with him if there was a problem? It seemed like they had to have been on good terms to some extent. Why? The question cannot be ignored. Would Ryan be saying one thing to people around him, but then he continued to do another thing in his private life? If she was that crazy, make it make sense. Now, I want to interject my personal opinion here. This is worth nothing probably. But this is my opinion about this.

19:42 They were grown folk, right? Ryan is almost 30 years old. Shana's in her 20s. She's an adult. She's graduated college. She's getting her master's degree. And it's my opinion that this actually does make sense, even if she is batshit crazy. Because there was one aspect of their life that I bet was pretty damn good. And I'm willing to bet it was their sex life. I bet that's hard to deny. If someone's willing and ready and able and easily, we can have a good time together. Sometimes that can influence why people will hang around people that may be a bad shit crazy. If you don't agree with me, that's fine. But I kind of think that that might explain a lot of what was going on.

20:29 Some people are complete sexual matches, but they're not long-term personality matches. You know what I'm saying? So if you're wondering, If she was that crazy, also, why didn't he go get a restraining order against her? I mean, his assistant's feeling like he needs to get away from her, his legal assistant. But there was a problem there, even if he wanted to. And the answer is that he wouldn't have qualified for it where they were, where they lived. And in a nutshell, here's why. where they lived, you either have to live together or you have to be married. Now, if you live in Kentucky and you're, you know, a lawyer and you're like, wait a minute, there's more to it.

21:17 I got you. I'm not worthy. I'm bowing down to you right now. But for this podcast, I just want to simplify it there that he didn't quite qualify based on the standards that were placed there. Neither of those two things that I mentioned to you were the case. Now, Shana did have a key to the apartment, but it wasn't something that she could just freely show up and use. The reason that she had the key was more of like a spare just in case. And then whenever they would be fighting and they would break up, he would never just be like, bring me the key back. And I almost, again, my personal opinion is, can see why, because if she's acting like she's crazy, why would he want to invite that over? It's like, whatever. She just, you go do you. I don't care about the key.

22:06 You go do your thing. Well, last week, some clips of Shana's police interview, I played for you. And that included her singing. She also, I mentioned, did some like dance ballet moves while she was waiting for the detectives to enter the room. The oddities in her behavior aside, What did she actually have to say about the events the night that this all happened? So they wanted detail. Well, let me back up to the 911 call. She was obviously in great distress, but she was able during that 911 call to articulate exactly what had taken place. She says, I shot my boyfriend in self-defense. She was able to give the address. She said that he beat her as she was trying to to get her things. And he even went so far as to try to carry her out of the apartment. The fight ensued. It continued to the point where he threw her against the couch. And then as it was moving through the apartment, when he reached down to grab his gun, that's when they wrestled it.

23:05 She was able to get it from him. And then she shot him because she was just scared for her life. She was so afraid that he was going to lose it or was losing it and was going to shoot her. Well, now in the interrogation room, She was asked to explain it again, give it to us in a detailed order by order, step by step explanation, because now what the deal is is that the pressures from the 911 call happening in the moment where everything was a bit discombobulated and disjointed, we're now calm. We're in the room. There's no threat. Talk me through what happened. So I'm going to now play for you a bit, a longer bit, of the conversation from the 911 call, because I want you to have a reference point That's a little bit further extended than what you originally had in part one. Okay.

23:58 All right. Do you need an ambulance? Have you been injured? I'm not injured, ma'am. I was thrown into the side of the couch. Okay, and how old is he? He's 29. He would have been 30 on December the 30th. All right, what's his name? Ryan Carter Poston. He's an attorney in Cincinnati. Okay, and have you had a history of domestic violence with him? Yes. Okay, and is this your gun? No, this is his gun.

24:47 He keeps loaded guns in the house. So he slammed you into the couch, but you don't have any injuries? I don't have any injuries. I was just very frightened. He's a lot bigger than me. He's 6'3, 200 pounds. I'm 5'8, 120. And he picked me up. And was carrying me out of the house. And I said, let me get my things at least if we're going to break up. And he wouldn't let me get my things. And when I reached around to try to get my things, he... I can hear myself echoing in the background, ma'am. It's just this phone system. This phone system has got a delay.

25:29 And he pushed me down from the door all the way to the couch. And when they come here, they'll see how far that is. He threw me across the room. And I was very startled. I was laying on the floor. Okay. Okay. All right. And I killed him. Okay. Ma'am, this is what I want you to do. You're sure he's not breathing at all? No, that's okay. They actually have someone who's outside almost right now, but I'm going to stay online with you, okay? I already mentioned this last week as well, but Shana talks a lot and she talks very quickly. I think that was pretty evident in that call that you just listened to. So the dispatcher At a further point down in the call is attempting to calm her. That's very normal.

26:20 Dispatchers are trained to try to calm, deescalate while you're talking to somebody. And as this takes place, Shana then explains even more. about the incident, again, in the 911 call a little later on. Go ahead and listen closely to what she says here. I don't know. Okay, because he was twitching and you knew he was going to die, so you shot him again?

27:03 No lie. When I heard what you just heard, my head somewhat shot up. Like, my head literally, I popped up and was like, wait, what did she just say? She said he was twitching and moving, and that's why she followed up with more shots to make it stop. Thinking back on those neighbors' comments, remember the people, the elderly couple that lived below them, this now made sense. It made sense as to what they had heard. The bang, bang, Ryan then fell and was still twitching and moving, and then bang, bang, bang, bang. You can almost understand that.

27:45 What she's saying is fitting what the neighbors say they heard. Well, now in the interrogation room, She explained it again to detectives who obviously, you need to understand, had not heard the 911 call because this happened shortly after the shooting had just taken place. They hadn't had time to listen and scrutinize that call. They went directly into, let's talk about what just happened, you know, just an hour or so earlier. So as you know now, in the 911 call, she explained how they wrestled for the gun. She got it from him. But once they're in the interrogation room, She explains what happened in detail, but there are some slight differences. The fighting was pretty much the same, but the way she got the gun was different. You go ahead now and listen to her explain it again now that she is seated and calm across from the detective.

28:39 And I just picked up the gun, and in the middle of him. Doing something with his arm or saying something crazy, he shot him. And I. Thought, oh, my God, what have I done? You know? And he. Was laying with his face on the table, like, twitching. And so. I knew he was going to die a very slow and painful death. I knew he was already dead, you know? It was in the next 20 seconds. It was in the next two minutes.

29:24 I knew he was going to be dead. And he was in a lot of pain. He was twitching. He was moaning. But he was ultimately dead. And so I shot him enough times to kill him. So that he wouldn't suffer at that point, which was a few more times. And I shot him, I think I shot him. Twice, thought he was completely dead and he was laying there still twitching and making noises. And I shot him in the head. Now, wait a minute. Wait a dang second. The first time you explained this, y'all were fighting and wrestling for the gun. But now he's yelling and waving his arms and you picked up the gun. So I'm assuming she meant from the table. I'm guessing that she didn't really say.

30:23 And then you shoot him over and over again. So. You got to kind of stop and think for a second. The goal here was to make him stop doing whatever it is that is scaring you to the point that you think you may lose your life. But then she's apparently now a doctor in that exact same moment. And she knows that he's going to die no matter what. She knows this. She knows this. So she took it into her own hands to ensure his death as if it was a merciful thing. The fact that she said this without even questioning what she was saying. I mean, I don't know. That hit me weird. And I'm like, they ought to put this chick in charge of the executions in Tennessee because she's going to make damn sure her target doesn't suffer, but definitely dies as far as she's explaining what's going on here. It's almost like she explains this, that she was doing him a favor with those second barrages of shots. So I, I ask myself things when people say or explain what's going on. I encourage you to do the same. It doesn't mean we would all do the same thing. But let's just get to the basics here. Would you care? Would you give a flying shit? If someone was suffering in the exact moment that you thought genuinely your life may end at their hands, like be so for real right now. I'm not talking be politically correct. I'm not saying, you know,

31:54 what should you do with a perfect vision of what's going on? I'm talking about your heart is pounding, your blood is pumping, and you think it is me or you, and it ain't going to be me. You had no choice in that moment to use deadly force, but it was It was so bad that you thought their life needed to end. But immediately afterwards, I mean, within seconds, immediately after this takes place, instead of running, you decide you need to be merciful. I'm just I'm not seeing that quick of a turnaround. If I am scared for my life, I'm telling you now you can twitch until the cows come home. And when you're still twitching, you will find me, Kelly Jennings, five miles down the road, still running like it's a damn marathon if I'm scared for my life. I want to be away from you as far as possible. I don't give a shit what you are doing. To me, that's what scared for your life would feel like. I don't know that I would even have the capacity to turn merciful in that short of a time frame. I'm trying to live. So last week, I left you with a question. I hope you remember this.

33:05 I asked you, how do you get a nose job without having ever seen a doctor? Did you, did you mull that over? Were you like, what is wrong with this woman? What does that have to do with anything? Well, I'm about to answer that for you because it was Shana who solved the riddle for me. As she explains in her own way, what all had occurred, she went more in depth into about that apparent favor that she did for Ryan when she put him out of his misery. Because she explained how vain Ryan was. And that with a gunshot to the face or to the head, he would have been so upset at how bad his face would have been messed up. He would have not wanted to suffer that way, that his looks would be messed up.

33:57 And so she knew that he wouldn't want to suffer with that. And incredibly, as she explains this, she added this follow-up statement to her reasoning. He's very vain. One of our last conversations we had that was good was. That he wants my best friend who's a dentist to. Do his veneers and wants to get a nose job. Just that kind of person. And I'm right here. I gave him his nose job. He wanted. There is no way that she just said, what she just said. Like, should we all just take a minute and stare off into the abyss and mull that over? But she did. She did. She said, I guess I gave him the nose job he always wanted. The woman who shot this man in the face. You could have knocked that investigator over with a damn feather when she said that. The lack of remorse is or possibly the inability to read the room in that moment is astonishing.

35:01 And I have listened to a lot of interrogations in my lifetime. That one threw me for a loop. But changing stories and poor taste jokes aside, okay, those are certainly things that we shouldn't overlook, but of course, they're not the only things that we have to give our attention to because another large issue is was something that detectives were having a hard time getting past. And that was the timing between the shooting and when the 911 call was placed. Per her own admission, she said this. Why did she wait 10 to 15 minutes before calling for help? Especially after she was just in the throes of a fight for her life and she had to shoot someone to live. Well, that was explained not only by Shana herself, but also her phone records, because she actually did call someone right after the shooting, but it wasn't 911. She placed a phone call to her mom, her mom. I don't know, maybe some of us would panic and call our moms, okay? But when they spoke to Ms. Sharon, she said, yes, she did. She called me right after it happened. She said Shana was panicking.

36:21 She was freaking out. She's like, oh, my God, mom. Oh, my God, mom. They say, well, Sharon, what did you tell her? And she said, I told her what you think I told her. Hang up the phone. Hang up right now. You got to call 911. Call right now. And then I guess Shana did that. I'll let you think what you want about that right now. I will give you my extended opinion about that exact situation in a bonus episode that is about to drop for my Patreon members. But I do have to ask you, what was mom going to do? It was a bizarre choice at minimum, the way I see things. It's very bizarre to call mom first. Well, I told you that this interview with Shana lasted multiple hours, right? There was multiple blanks or breaks that they would have to take. Well, Shana's behavior would continue to be even stranger whenever she was alone during those future breaks. They would go back and look at these tapes to see exactly what was she doing. And one point that would stick out was that Shayna's alone in the room and she's kind of pacing back and forth when just seriously out of out of nowhere, she throws her hands up in the air and she's pointing with one of them almost like like number one, like she's pointing like number one up to the sky. And this is what she says somewhat under her breath.

37:51 I believe. Yes, I believe. I can't believe. So did you catch that? I know it's kind of low. Did you catch it? Because if not, what she said was, I did it. Yes, I did it. Can you believe I did that? What would possibly possess someone to say that in a time such as this? And if you've been a true crime fan for any extended period of time, it's giving Jodi Arias, as the kids would say. If you know what I'm talking about, then you probably are agreeing right now. What the hell? What are you doing, girl?

38:35 So another moment looking further into the tapes when they're really honing in on what's going on, sent shivers up the spines of many of the investigators. Real fast, I know that that's kind of cliche to say. I did not say that for like spooky purposes. I'm being dead ass serious when I tell you it made you kind of go, whoo, when you saw it. I am going to post this video, by the way, on Patreon, so you can go check that out. Because you have to see this to believe how crazy it is. You genuinely have to see it to understand that I am not in any way exaggerating what I am telling you. Shana is talking to an investigator who at one point while they are talking, it's a very emotional part of what's going on, talking about the shooting, but he needs to step out of the room. And it's very emotional. I mean, Shana is like sobbing.

39:26 Okay. Her shoulders are like, you know, when you cry and someone shoulders kind of bounce up and down. She is devastated. So she's crying and that investigator goes to walk out. The millisecond, the millisecond that that door clicks shut, she stopped. She stopped. But not just like she calmed down and maybe was kind of just whimpering and wiping her face. Absolutely not. This was a hard stop. This was like an acting moment where she went from shoulders shaking and sobbing tears rolling down her face to the split second the door shut, she just stopped and she started looking at her fingernails. Strange is not the word, guys. It's creepy as fuck. I don't know how else to explain it to you. It is so fast. It happens, the shift is so fast, it almost looks like somebody cut the film and spliced it together. Like it almost jumps to what she does. You have to see this. Please don't underestimate what I'm telling you. So in discussion of all of the events to this point, it wasn't just what Alshaina had said and done that had investigators scratching their heads, but it was also what she wasn't saying that seemed to be very glaring in this explanation because detectives do always know more than you think they do, okay?

40:56 But you know who else does? Attorneys that are looking at all of this. In the two and a half hours of constant talking, constant, Shana never once mentioned her heart condition, not one time. She had been in a hospital all day. You know how long it takes when you go to the ER. And she left his house early that morning. She was updating Ryan the entire time via text. So trying to understand what her movements were, what were their communication, you know, what was the pattern there that day, the cell phone communication was really honed in on at that time of the day. When all of those reports came back, you know, that takes time.

41:41 Here's what they found when they started digging into that metadata, you know, things that metadata can give you longitude and latitude, it can give you location information, it can give you down to the millisecond of or the second of where you were and what you were doing. And it can even tell you if you clicked open your phone, if you locked your phone, it can even tell if your face unlocked the phone or you put in the code. That's what I mean by metadata. And what they saw in her device was was that Shana had been searching things like high blood pressure and heart disease, things that are of that nature, which isn't shocking. I'm not acting like it is. People do want to understand their ailments as soon as they find out or they're told by a doctor, this is what's going on. But it was the timing of those searches in comparison to her texting that just seemed weird. They really dug in to these details and a pattern that, kind of seemed to jump out.

42:40 So what they would see in this pattern was that she would search her condition. Then she did this same thing with symptoms and medication, texting him that she was going to have to start taking this medication and that she had these doctor's appointments. And this was repeated multiple times in that same timeframe. Look up a condition, find the symptoms and treatments, look up what that would mean, then report it to Ryan. But here's the thing. Where was she when she was supposedly at the hospital getting her EKGs and being tended to while she was doing all this updating to Ryan? Where was this all taking place? And her phone would show that she was actually at home while she was researching these medical conditions. It also showed that she was with her mother at the shopping mall during this communication. So detectives were curious and they're like, all right, did she go to the doctor maybe or the ER, get out in record time and then she started sending the information or maybe that would explain it.

43:47 But then when they go to the doctors and they go check the hospital and all of that, there's no record of Shana having ever been to the hospital nor having seen any doctor that day or any day for that illness. So you have to ask yourself, What did she have to gain from this lie? Why would you go to that effort to lie? But it's simple. We all probably can figure this out. It's sympathy. In her mind, if he felt sorry for her, that would equate to his love you know, shining through the danger of her serious heart disease would mean that there was a real risk of losing her. And so he would come running back to her, not wanting to lose that true love that he felt deep down inside. But here's the thing about anybody that would use sympathy as a tool to avoid a breakup. I've had plenty of people that are my friendship group that have told me about exes that were like, yeah, he threatened to kill himself if I broke up with him. Like that's some psychotic ass shit.

44:52 If you're going to put on me that you may end your life, like it's my fault. Like that's wild. Okay. If someone is using sympathy as a tool to avoid a breakup, that is usually going to backfire so quickly because all that's happening is it's shifting that foundation of the relationship from a mutual love and respect situation to a guilt and obligation situation. They're not realizing their true love that they might lose you. They know that you're going to feel guilt and obligation and you don't want you to be the cause of someone hurting themselves. What good person wants that? So it's pretty obvious. And if you listen to my episodes in order, okay, if you have gone through every episode I have in order, I want you right now to insert that recent Metzer episode that I did. That's another major example of this exact same thing right here back to back. You see it happening.

45:48 But the thing was, I think we all can tell, Ryan seemed to be two feet out the door already, like two feet out. He wasn't one step out. He was two foot out. And Shana was now starting to grasp at straws. Why do I say this? Well, again, text messages as well as a chat with Ryan's dad was going to be a wow moment for detectives. So in his texts, as they continue to go through these thousands and thousands and thousands of texts, it became pretty obvious to detectives that Ryan was over it. He was done. He even told her in one that they found. I am not reading any of these texts. Stop, Shana. And he put stop in all caps. I'm not reading any of these. Stop texting me. But during that same time frame, Ryan's dad gave more insight to a recent incident, but it had happened at Ryan's dad's house. He was right there as this took place because Ryan had showed up exasperated and unexpected asking if he could crash at his dad's house that night. And that didn't make sense to his dad. Why do you need to stay here? You have your own apartment. What's going on, man? And Ryan looked at his dad and said, Dad, she just won't leave me alone. She won't leave my house. And his dad's looking at him like, Ryan, that's your home. She doesn't live there. She needs to leave. And he's like, well, you know, she has her own key. And He just, he didn't want to fight with her. So he decided

47:18 to just leave the house. He just left all his stuff. And he went to his dad's house to stay the night that night just to get away from her. He was avoiding her crazy at all costs is how his dad felt. Who leaves their own home? Ryan did. So his dad at that point was kind of like, holy shit, you know, what is up with this chick? And Ryan was just defeated. It was insane. It was constant. It was unlike anything his dad had seen before. Ryan also told a cousin at one point, I don't know if this was the same cousin or not, that he had to literally pick Shana up in one instance and put her outside of the apartment to get her out of his home.

48:13 And I couldn't help but wonder, was that the incident where Shana went and knocked on the neighbor's door and said he threw her out of the apartment? I don't have the answer for you there, but it did make me wonder. And it was about that same time that Ryan's assistant, his legal assistant at work, had suggested to him, maybe you need to change your locks. Most everyone that was questioned or spoken to by investigators, had similar statements about both Ryan and Shana in terms of character. And the evidence at this point seemed pretty convincing that Shana had shifted from girlfriend to ex-girlfriend to maybe sort of still girlfriend because he didn't know what to do and then shifted into a crazy stalker that Ryan just couldn't shake.

49:00 But in all fairness, investigators did look further into Ryan. They wanted to know about his violent history. But here was the thing. There wasn't any record on file for this. You would have think, you would have think, wow, good English here for y'all guys. But you would think that it was likely Shana, there would be something that maybe Shana was blowing out of proportion that she was like clinging to. But not only was there not, there wasn't anything. There was nothing. So Ryan's go-to method when she was acting crazy, was to ignore and to create distance. It was a pattern he had. And then they started looking again.

49:48 They're going through, remember, tons of messages. Shana's texts would come to the forefront, become center stage. There were so many. many messages that the investigators spent a lot of their time sorting through them. The sheer quantity of these messages was insane. And these are people who look through messages for a living. That's what detectives do when they're researching is they're used to looking through people's messages. And this was jaw-dropping even for them. But they wouldn't have to go back too far because just 11 days before the shooting, Shana sent a text message to her friend about an upcoming date, as she called it, at the firing range.

50:30 She and Ryan were going to go together to the shooting range. And this is a direct statement from that text message. Because Shana told her friend, when I go to the shooting range with Ryan tonight, I want to turn around, shoot and kill him, and play like it's an accident. And she further said, my love has turned to hate. I hate him. Pretty damning. I'd argue. But then there was messages where not only was there anger, but there were also some that were pretty damn vindictive, just flat out mean. Because Shana was good friends with a practicing dentist in the area. And she had texted her friend saying, Ryan's been begging me to ask you if you could do his veneers, but please fuck them up and make him ugly so he'll never get another girl.

51:22 I hate him. People say stupid things when they are angry, no doubt. But then she was also at this point attacking Ryan directly. And detectives found that she was sending messages from other people's phones, like from her friend's cell phones to Ryan because Ryan wouldn't answer her. And those messages that she was sending from other people's cell phones, from numbers he did not know, were just flat out hateful. She would send something that said, you're a horrible lawyer. Lose your gut, small dick, bad lay. I mean, just classic harassment style stuff. It's really hard to overlook that considering the situation that's taken place. But then, with all of this in mind, detectives uncovered something huge, something that Shana hadn't quite mentioned to them. She had become quite efficient at intruding in Ryan's social media life. police found evidence that she was hacking into Ryan's Facebook. She was stalking him digitally. And I don't just mean looking and seeing what he was doing. She was actually taking action as Ryan. So much so that when he would log in, he would find that some of his Facebook friends were no longer his friends. Women, of course, just to be clear.

52:46 But they were no longer his friends. Shana was unfriending women on his page. She was blocking some of them. And then she would also send messages to others from the profile. But this craziness that they uncovered would also have them go, when they felt like they figured out exactly why Ryan was killed the day in question. And it all started in Facebook. See, Ryan had told a friend, that he was excited because he had a date coming up that he couldn't wait for. I'm talking about in person. He had told a friend this. He had met this new lady. They had been chatting and things were going really well. So that friend hearing this was like, whoa, what about Shana, bro? You know, what's that about? And he told him, that look, my soft attempts at breaking up with her, they just haven't been working, dude. I've hinted at it. I've texted saying, you know, it's not working out. Maybe we should break up. But she's not taking the hint. It doesn't matter how nice I am.

53:54 It's not working. She won't accept it. And so I'm done, done. I'm done. And the new girl wasn't just some girl either. She was Miss Ohio. And I am telling you, A total knockout bombshell. You know I'm going to put up photos for you. Follow me on Facebook, Unspeakable. Go to my page. Go to Patreon. I'm going to post them there. You can look at them. Total bombshell. The plan that they had made, he and Miss Ohio, was that they were going to go have some nice drinks, hang out, and maybe they would go play some pool. But here's the thing. If those plans had been made via Facebook...

54:37 where he had met Miss Ohio, guess who would have seen those plans? Shana, because she was hacking in. Not only that, but looking into Shana's Facebook, her profile, detectives found that she had sent a friend request right to Miss Ohio herself just two days after Ryan had friended her. Coincidence? I think not. She had also looked up photos of of Miss Ohio? What does she look like? Who is this woman? Simply put, Shana realized that she had lost her man for good. She saw it in black and white.

55:19 This is why there were no signs of struggle at the apartment. And the answer is because there wasn't one. After a great deal of investigating and a ton of crime scene recreation and walkthrough and comparing everything, Detectives now felt like they knew exactly what happened the night that Ryan Poston was shot and killed. The night before, Ryan made it known that he no longer wanted her there. She went outside on his porch, and she was crying because he was making it clear. We know this because the neighbors heard her crying outside on the porch. Feeling bad for her, though. Maybe he wasn't able to follow through that night. She didn't want to leave. So he let her stay the night like she had done so many times before whenever he made her feel bad. And in a last ditch effort to save that relationship in the very, very early morning hours, she started to feign chest pains from all of the stress of things ending.

56:22 And this sympathy she hoped would make Ryan stay. After all, you got to think about this for 18 months, her antics like this had worked. It had worked so many times over and over again. She researched the conditions. She began texting him, and she was making up this very serious heart problem from the comfort of her home, as well as shopping with her mother. But Ryan was not happy. interested. He didn't care. He did not want to hear it anymore. He was not playing games anymore. And he was going to cut the cord that day once and for all. Being nice didn't work. So his plan was to be honest, blunt, and direct. That was what Shana was going to get from him because his date with Miss Ohio was that night and he was moving on. So that evening, As Ryan was getting dressed for his date with Miss Audrey Bolt, that's who Miss Ohio was, he put on his nice pants, he put on his clean undershirt, tucked it in, but he wasn't completely dressed whenever he got a message from Miss Ohio that there was going to be a slight holdup.

57:29 Audrey was leaving a funeral and she was running late. So because of this, they pushed back their date and they weren't going to meet up until around 10 p.m. So This meant Ryan had a little bit more time to relax and to get ready. Unbeknownst to Ryan, as she frequently did, Shana had her mother drop her off at the apartment complex and she showed up unexpectedly. Don't forget, Shana had her own key to the apartment, whether he wanted her to have it or not. So there was a knock at the door, either a knock at the door or the door opened. I'm not sure. I can't tell you. But whenever he saw who was standing at his door, it was the last person that he wanted to see at his apartment. It was Shana. And once inside, Ryan knew that he was going to be direct with her.

58:25 He wanted it to end. He was done. And he told Shana point blank that it was it was over. It was done. She needed to get her things done. And she needed to go. And I'm betting, he said, and I want my key back. I don't know that, but I would be willing to bet that that happened. But rather than just crying and leaving, she started crying, but begging, begging him at this point not to do this. Don't end this. Our love is so strong. I'll do anything. I'll change. I'll blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. I'll be whatever you want me to be. But Ryan said, no, I don't know what else to tell you. No. I am done. And that's when the begging turned into crazed anger from Shana as Ryan told her to leave his apartment. And at some point while they were arguing, they were in that kitchen, kitchenette area or the kitchen area.

59:20 And Ryan made his way around his kitchen table. And eventually he took a seat at the table. Certainly, I would argue not the actions of someone trying to beat the hell out of a woman, as was initially claimed. Now, why do we believe that he sat down? I would like to explain this to you. Well, if you remember in episode one, there was very confusing blood evidence at the scene. This combined with the location of all of the gunshot wounds to his body, when they put it in perspective, it now painted a very different picture than what was first explained to them. While the order is certainly arguable of the gunshots that he took, the physical evidence told a very compelling story. The gun was sitting on the table, just like everybody said that the gun was.

1:00:06 Everyone that knew him said when he got home from work, he would take his gun out and he would deholster it and set it on that table. So Shana was begging. I don't want to have the breakup. Ryan's done with it. Ryan walks around the table and he takes a seat, which was across from the gun, when he says, I'm done. No. Well, Shana had followed him and was now standing right on the other side of the table, but also right near that gun, where in seconds, driven by raging anger, she picked it up off the table, raised it, and she pulled the trigger before Ryan even had time to react. That first bullet struck him directly in the head, which disabled him instantly, causing him to fall forward face first right onto the table. But as he fell, Shana had immediately pulled the trigger again, which would explain the downward angle shot to Ryan's upper back. It had been exposed as he slumped over by the time that she pulled the trigger the second time.

1:01:05 Bang, bang. The blood then began to pour from his head, but he was down face first on the table. So that's why that blood pooled on the table and his shirt. It was strangely not bloodied with spatter like one would expect when someone has been shot in the head, if they're standing up and they're fighting with somebody. But this is why the fight that she explained had taken place couldn't have happened. It couldn't have happened in any way that she said because the blood pattern didn't make sense. It wasn't there where it was expected. But why? That's because he was seated at the table when he was first shot. The table blocked the spatter and that initial dripping when he immediately slammed forward down from the seated position.

1:01:54 So as Shana came around the table, which I want you to understand would account for that slight pause between shots, Ryan's arms had fallen limp down by his side. His face is on the table, but his hands fell straight down. Well, this exposed his rib area the way that his arms were straight down, which by then Shana was now right beside him firing the gun. So the next shot hit him in the exposed area of his side, just as gravity was taking over and he began to slide off the chair, his face dragging against the table as he was collapsing to the floor on his right side. Now, as he fell, he was unable to catch himself Due to that brain trauma that he had just experienced with a bullet to the brain, thus his arms remained straight down as he fell over, and that's why he landed on his right side, somewhat face down, palm up, before rotating slightly over to the side as gravity pulled him, and he was in his final spot on the ground.

1:02:58 And while unable to defend himself in any way, His body was responding to the pain and the damage. It was causing Ryan to groan and twitch as he lay on the ground because his body was fighting with all it had left to stay alive. But Ryan wasn't going to live through this no matter what because Shana wasn't going to allow it. She was right over him, continuing to pull the trigger. She pulled it two more times. Another shot to the head, another shot to the chest. All of this happening rather quickly. Bang, bang, bang, bang. until Ryan Poston never moved again. There were no signs of struggle because there wasn't one. The forensic analysis and blood evidence proved that Ryan was seated and Shana was standing when the shots took place. All of the shots that Ryan took to his body hit him at a downward angle. He was lower than his killer at all times.

1:03:59 Shana then called her mom before calling police, and this 10 to 15 minutes gave her enough time to create the version of events that she wanted to make and paint herself as the victim. Shana Hubers was arrested and charged with the murder of Ryan Poston. I'm going to post her mugshot for you too, and Lord have mercy, you can see the crazy in this one. A stark contrast from the meek and beautiful woman who initially called police. She would eventually go on trial and be found guilty with a final sentence of life in prison. But why did I say final sentence? Kind of weird, right? Well, there is even more evidence. to this story way more that took place after the conviction. And I will be telling you all about that in the soon released bonus episode, and you will not want to miss it. I promise you, you won't. This thing's out of the box. But until then, you gotta know that Shana Hubers was never an abuse victim.

1:05:07 And she certainly wasn't some angel of mercy out there trying to spare Ryan Poston from some type of suffering. She wanted to guarantee that he died so she wouldn't suffer seeing him move on. Ryan's greatest offense, wanting a life beyond Shana. And her response was making sure that he'd never get to. While I, along with Ryan's family, will never understand how someone could be so fucking crazy as to kill a man who just doesn't want to be with you, Shana will have plenty of time to figure all of that out in prison. And for a woman who couldn't handle a simple breakup, I think that she owes the jury a huge thank you. Because not only did they listen intently to all of the evidence, but they ultimately gave her exactly what she always wanted.

1:06:01 And that is a lifetime commitment. I'm done. My voice kept cracking so bad that I hope it sounds okay. I know, I was like.