May 26, 2026

Bullet in the Brain: The Shocking Ryan Waller Case

Bullet in the Brain: The Shocking Ryan Waller Case
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Season 10

On Christmas Day 2006, 18-year-old Ryan Waller and his girlfriend Heather Quan became victims of a brutal home invasion in Phoenix, Arizona. Heather was murdered. Ryan was shot twice in the head and somehow survived — with bullet fragments still lodged deep in his brain. What followed was one of the most controversial police interrogations ever recorded. Despite his severe injuries, Ryan was questioned for several hours before receiving full medical treatment.

The footage of that interview, in which he appears disoriented and struggling to stay conscious, has since become one of the most talked-about moments in true-crime history. In this episode, KJ examines the interrogation video, the investigation that followed, the search for the real perpetrators, and the long-term impact the events had on Ryan’s life. It’s a powerful story of the most unforgettable cases in modern true crime.

Timestamps
05:58 Christmas in Phoenix
11:53 Missing on Christmas Day
26:15 Heather Found Dead
40:44 Ryan’s Interrogation Begins
51:43 Dead Girl on the Couch
1:00:46 Reconstructing the Timeline
1:09:05 The Hidden Injury

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, kJ

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you're back with another episode of Unspeakable? What's going on

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with you? I am on cloud nine right now. If

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you follow my Patreon you already probably know this. But

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my daughter graduated high school this weekend, a huge step

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in her life. She scored a thirty on her ACT

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and she is now enrolled in attending LSU and we'll

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be going into nursing. So I want to tell my

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baby girl how proud I am, and to let you

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know that no matter what happens in this lifetime, I

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have your back and you will always have my support.

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And when it all comes down to it, my children

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are my reason and you make me proud every single day.

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So thank you guys for indulging me. And let me

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give my little baby girl a shout out because I'm

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just super super excited. Now I need to give y'all

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some shout outs here, and one of these is just

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it has me so tickled. You all have me tickled.

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But this one, I was like, what because we have

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to go all the way to Crook England. Crook England,

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y'all England. Oh my god, like across the pond way

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over yonder. I have a new Patreon member and that

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is miss Amy Richardson. So Amy, Wow, have a I

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know I have a couple of people over there that

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that support me, and I am just every time. I'm

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just shocked and and and in awe that my voice

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has made it all the way over there. So thank

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you so much, Amy, I really really appreciate your support

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and I hope that things are just perfect in your

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neck of the woods. Then we're gonna also go to

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South Haven, Mississippi. And I'm very familiar with South Haven, Mississippi,

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but that is where miss Melissa may reside. So hello, Melissa,

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thank you so much for joining. I appreciate everything when

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you join that you do for me and that you

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believe in my plate and so I appreciate you more

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than you'll ever know. And then Cotton Port, Louisiana. Of

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course I know cotton Port. I have friends that are

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from there, and we on our way to Grand Isle,

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we had stop in at cott and Port and stuff

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like that. So shout out to those people, including Chloe andies. Hello, Chloe,

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how are you. I'm not going to say your street name,

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but your street name is actually the last name of

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one of my very good friends. And so when I

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saw that, I was like, oh, look, so Chloe, I

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hope things are doing well over there for you in

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cotton Port. And last, but certainly not least, we're going

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to go to Michigan. We're gonna go all the way

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to Michigan where miss Jessica McAuley lives. And this says

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it's Washington, Michigan. So Jessica, how are things over there?

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I hope that you're getting ready for your summer, and

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I hope that things are just going your way because

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you're part of my family. Now, all of y'all are

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part of my crime family, and I'm tickled pink to

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have you speaking of the Crime Family quick story. Y'all

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know that I sent out quarterly gifts last time. It's

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we're coming up on our next ones. But one of

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our one of my listeners reached out to me, and

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this just maybe crack up, but one of my listener's

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name is is Blake, Okay, and he said, I have

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got to reach out to you about the last quarterly gift,

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which y'all know now was the ski mask that goes

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over your license. If you don't know, that's what it was.

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And so it's just something really funny. It looks like

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you're kind of a bad guy on your license whatever.

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All right, Well, he went to travel through the air

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at an airport, he went on a flight and he

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forgot really he wasn't thinking about it, and so when

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he went to pull out his license at TSA, he

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had a ski mask over his face. And he said,

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the guy looked at him, and he looked at the guy.

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The guy looked back down at the idea looked at

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him and he was like, oh god, how do I

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explain this? So he said, of course that's what happens

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when Kelly Jennings gets involved in my life. So anyway, Blake,

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sorry about that Bud. Don't forget that sticker doesn't go

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directly on the license. I'm not saying he did that, Blake.

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It goes on the sleeve that has sent you, and

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so you can put your license out either way. I

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have got a bang up quarterly gift that's about to

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come your way. I'm excited about it and I actually

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team up with listener Blake on this one. So just

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keep your keep, you keep your eyes peeled, be ready

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for that mail, because I think you're gonna like this one.

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But let's jump into today's case now. I'll tell you this,

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there are just some cases that, no matter how much

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you're used to seeing or hearing, they make an impact

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on you. You see things in the media and you take

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that story and you really mull it over, and you know,

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in the intro of my of my show, I say,

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how is this even real? Well, today's case is one

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of those for me. I remember the first time I

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read about it and how shocking it was, and then

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just recently I was thinking about it more and then

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I realized, girl, you never even covered it for your friends.

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So I said, well, shit, I got to jump on that.

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So when I did, I had never researched it for myself,

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and I certainly never had analyzed the situation with my

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own eyes. I really just followed the reports that were done,

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read articles on it, or you know things like that.

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So if you would allow, I want you to come

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along with me on my journey in this story. And

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it's going to take us to Arizona. And it was

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the year two thousand and six. Now let's get in

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the vibe here. It was the holiday season and Christmas

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was just around the corner, so families were preparing to

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meet up and spend time together in celebration of the

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Lord's birth. And basically it was the time of year

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where everything just felt right. And I know y'all know

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what I'm talking about. There's just happiness in the air

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at Christmas time. Even if you're going through things, there's

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still joy in a child's face, you know. And we

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don't get snow down here, but to see snow in

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the movies is fun and just a little change of

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pace and happiness, and things were no different for Ryan

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Waller and his family. Now, Ryan was eighteen years old.

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He was a resident of Phoenix, Arizona. And I have

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to tell you Ryan was a pretty cool guy for

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his age. He was rocking an eyebrow piercing and he

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had an ear piercing with a little hoop in it,

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and he really really enjoy the music scene and playing

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the guitar was a passion of his. He really did

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have a dream of maybe making it as a career,

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making it in the music industry one day, but for

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now he was just doing his thing, laying low, and

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he was creating a life with his girlfriend, Heather Kwan.

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So they had met as teenagers and the relationship that

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they had had grown into something more in recent months,

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and it was a good thing. They both had found

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the person that they thought was worth a lot of

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their time and they wanted to be devoted to one another.

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They shared many like interests, you know, to start, but

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also they got along well, and everybody wants to find

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a companion like that, don't they. It's just what we're

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what we're shooting for when we're young. Now, Heather, let's

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talk about Heather. You want to talk about bright and happy,

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someone who the number one attribute about her, which I

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have my hat is off to you for this one,

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was that she was known to be passionate. What a

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gift at only twenty one years old. She was someone

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who sensed hurt in others, even if they didn't vocalize it.

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She could pick up on those small little things that

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she would be like, man, they must be going through something.

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She would reach out, she would ask questions, and I

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admire that in somebody. We live in a world today

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where that's just not the norm. It's also one of

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the biggest reasons that she chose to volunteer with the

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Valley Big Brother Big Sister program because she had hopes

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of sharing love and guidance with the young people that

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were a part of that program, and she knew that

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there were kids that were in need of attention and

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friendship and someone that they could look up to. She

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was able to complete her education at Glendale Community College

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before she started at Arizona State University. And she had

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a goal, y'all. And not just like oh on a

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graduate college. No, she had a very serious goal because

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she wanted to go to law school with the ultimate

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dream of becoming a defense attorney. That's who Heather was. Strong, willed,

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full of life, and ready to make her mark on

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the world by helping others. Now. Ryan was also notably

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kind hearted, and maybe that's what she loved most about him.

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You know, the fact that he was fun loving was

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even better. Right, He liked to have a good time,

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but both of them were kind people. But Ryan was

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also just happy being with Heather, whatever that meant and

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wherever they were, even if they were just sitting on

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the couch, Heather manning the remote while Ryan tinkered with

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whatever new little gadget he had that had taken his

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attention that day. That's just kind of what they liked

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to do.

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They didn't have any immediate plans for like a permanent situation,

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marriage or whatever. Wasn't on the table, but they did

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spend the night together at Ryan's place because Ryan was

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currently renting a home with another roommate. This roommate's name

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was Alicia, and he had moved in just recently at

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that house because he had been moving around a bit,

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as young people do when roommate situations get squirrely and

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people stop getting along so like, for example, Ryan previously

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lived with a buddy of his named Eric, and he

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moved in with Eric when Eric and his roommate that

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he already had began having issues that other roommate's name

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was Richie. So Eric and Richie were starting to have

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disagreements because of Richie's drug use and that he was

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not keeping up with his rent. Okay, he was failing

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to pay his rent. So about that time Ryan had

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moved into that same house. But then Ryan and Eric

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started having a fallen out, and so that's why he

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now lived with Alicia. So I know that's a lot

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of moving around in all of that, but it's just

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young people with their different issues, and that's kind of

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how that came to be. Now, the home that he

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shared with Alicia was a nice house. It was in

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a friendly neighborhood, and the situation was working. They all

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got along well and there were no real issues. They

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kind of just did their own thing, and it was

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genuinely a roommate situation where they didn't get in each

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other's business. So Heather would come over, she would spend

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the night, and typical young adult stuff going on in

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this house. Now, the roommates were friends, okay, and they

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did look after one another, but they were not each

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other's keepers or anything. They didn't keep tabs on one another.

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They didn't. You know, when you go to college sometimes

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I know girls specifically, when we become roommates, we become

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really close friends and we know each other's schedule and

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what we're going to be doing, and we do a

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lot of stuff together. But this just was not that situation.

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They did not keep tabs on one another or anything

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like that. Well, it was two days before Christmas and

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the couple had plans to eat pizza and to watch

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a movie for the evening at the house. Super low,

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low key situation for the two of them. So Heather

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made her way over to the house and the two hug.

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They were happy to see one another after a long day.

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They did eat and they talked about the drama of

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the day before. They just plopped down on the couch

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for some snuggles and some relaxing time. They both had

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family activities throughout the next few days, because again it

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was a holiday season. There was gonna be parties and

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gift exchanges and all that stuff they needed to prepare for.

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But for now, all that could wait because it was

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late and they were both tired. The house was calm,

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it was quiet, it was locked up, and as the

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hours passed and the light from the TV just flickered

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in the room. The couple was fighting off sleepy eyes.

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They were tired, and neither really was winning that battle.

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They were trying, but everybody was just exhausted. Outside, it

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was a clear night. The moon was shining bright over

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the house until the sun eventually rose the following morning. Well,

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the day pressed on as usual, and both Heather and

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Ryan's families were expecting them for the get togethers, and

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the couple was also looking forward to wrapping up the

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holidays and chill and having a relaxed Christmas dinner at

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Ryan's parents' house. So his parents were divorced, and that

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also kind of added I would bet to the get

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together situation because as a child of divorced myself, you know,

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I get it if you know, you know, multiple Christmases

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and all that kind of stuff. But Ryan's mom had

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her house filled with the aroma of homemade goodness. On

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Christmas Day, I can imagine her just getting started early

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and the pots boiling and the casse roles baking. It

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was going to be so good. Not to mention the

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gifts that she was undoubtedly excited to give to her

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son and sweet Heather, it was. It was just gonna

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be a joyous event with family and everyone getting together,

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but it was getting close to dinner time whenever she

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checked outside to see if the couple was there yet,

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but there was no sign of their car. Hmm, where

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are they now?

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Y'all?

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They're young, you know, they're young, early twenties, late teens,

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and so of course time may skip for people or

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get away from them. But he just they weren't there.

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So she called Ryan's phone a few times, but nobody answered,

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and so she says, well, maybe the phone died. I

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don't know what's going on here. So she went back

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inside to get out the plates and the utensils, but

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more time passed and they never showed. Something just wasn't right.

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So Ryan's mother, her name was Julie, she decided to

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place a call to the local police department, requesting a

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welfare check for her son. Now, I'm gonna stop real

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quick and tell you this. If you know this case already,

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you just clutched your pearls. You did you said, oh

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my god, kJ got a fact wrong? What is going

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on here? But I'm going to ask this of you.

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Did I it something wrong or didn't I I would

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really like to ask that you listen to my interpretation

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of this case with an open mind and with the

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understanding that I did a whole lot of research on

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this and there may be things that you have understood

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to be one way that I may understand to be another.

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But I will explain all of those things in detail

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as I progress. Okay, So I'll let you decide if

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I got that fact wrong or not. But I'm going

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to continue on in my story. So welfare checks, let's

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talk about that real quick. Those are a very important

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service that the police provide, and oftentimes it just goes unnoticed, Okay,

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because while it's usually nothing, sometimes it is people not

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returning phone calls, or a next door neighbor that hasn't

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picked up their newspaper for days, or sometimes even dogs

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like in an apartment that are they keep barking the

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owner hasn't been seen. People will call nine one one

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in those instants, and those are examples of situations that

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often prompt people to call and request a welfare check,

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and rightfully so, because even if you're not tight with somebody,

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you know patterns, you know your neighbor's patterns, and you

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may not even realize you do, but you do. And

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so people will call in for various reasons. Those are

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just some examples, but very rarely do those calls trigger

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a suspected crime alert, and more often than not, police

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encounter either medical crisis situation. Well, it could just be

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a misunderstanding, Okay, maybe the phone was off the hook

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or something, but if there is a crisis situation, it's

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usually something more along the lines of a medical crisis

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situation or a mental illness situation. Now, I don't have

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a stat for you. I don't think you need one,

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but that's kind of an average thing that has found.

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So the basic understanding of the responding officer was that

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Ryan's mother called because she hadn't been able to get

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in touch with him, not only Christmas Day when he

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didn't show, but in total it had in three days

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since she had been able to get in touch with him,

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and now here it was Christmas Day. So what it

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made it just what made it more worrisome for mom too,

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was that the last time she spoke to Ryan, he

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was telling her that his car had been experiencing transmission

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problems and so he was wanting to borrow some money

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or get some money to fix his car. They had

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made an agreement Mom said, absolutely, I'll pay for those repairs,

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no problem, but you do need to come to the

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house on Christmas Day and celebrate with the family first

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and then we'll take care of that. So when Ryan

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no showed, that was just odd because he was gonna

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be getting something too that they had planned for. So

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Mom left and she had gone to Ryan's house to

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check on him. She knocked and she knocked and knocked,

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but no one would answer the door. Now, the thing was,

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she said, his vehicle was still at the house, so

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if his vehicle was there, he was having vehicle trouble.

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But now he's not answering, so where did he go?

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Is he?

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I don't know if he's home. I don't know if

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he's gone. I don't know what is happening, But no

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one will answer the door. So the cop kind of

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followed up a little bit and said, you know, has

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he been suffering emotionally or anything like that, And Miss

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Julie told officers that Ryan sounded fine the last time

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that she spoke to him a few days ago. She said,

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he is known to take xenex. She said he does

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have anxiety or depression issues, something along those lines, but

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he sounded fine when she talked to him last. So

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when they wanted to go respond to the house, she

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didn't know the physical address of the house to be

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able to tell them which one it was. So she

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knew how to drive there, but she didn't know what

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the numeracal physical address was. So the officer decided to

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do a search of Ryan's name, and that's whenever he

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found that Ryan had recently been arrested just a few

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days prior. He had been arrested on December the twelfth,

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and in that report it contained the physical address for

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Ryan's house. So that gave that officer, you know, the grounds,

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or not the grounds, but the address that he could

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respond to. So when police got there, they did as

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you expected. They went up, they knocked on the door,

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and nobody came. They knocked, they knocked, they knocked. Still

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nobody would come to the door, and so they kind

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of checked around to see if there were any signs

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of any issues that they could see, and in the

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immediate moment there were not. They decided that they were

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going to peer in through the windows and they could

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make out what they believed to be like a living

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room area, and so they're scanning the area looking through there,

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but they didn't really see much as this was taking place.

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So while that's happening, another officer went to go and

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check the back of the home. Now, if you're looking

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at the back of the home, if you're standing, you know,

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in the backyard, looking at the back of the house,

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there were three doors on the back of this house.

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To the far left, there was a door with a doorknob,

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to the far right, there's a door with a doorknob.

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But in the middle there was a sliding glass set

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of sliding glass doors there. So the door to the left,

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I can tell you this just because I know the

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officers did not know this, but the far door to

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the left opens up into a laundry room. The far

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right door would open up to a bathroom right off

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of the master bedroom of the home. And then in

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the center where the sliding glass doors were, that opened

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up into like the living room area of the house.

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So the officer could see through the blinds on the

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sliding door, and when he was looking, he did notice

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that there were two spots of what appeared to be

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dried blood on the floor. Now he didn't know for sure,

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but that's what it looked like. But he didn't see

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anything else amiss. It just there was a couch, and

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there was blood two blood drops, or what he thought

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was on the floor, and the room was really rather

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empty except for that small couch that was there. Now

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at that exact moment, while this cop is on the

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back looking in, he could hear banging in the house,

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but he thought that those noises were from the officers

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at the front of the house banging and knocking on

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the front door, trying to get somebody to come to it.

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So they go over the radio and they say that

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they want to get more officers, and so the officer

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in the back stood by while more were able to

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make it to the scene to give support for clearing

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the home. That officer in the back did try to

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go open or return the doorknobs on both of those

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the left and right door, but they were both locked.

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About that time it came over the radio, they could

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all hear that the officers were going to try to

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make entry on that front portion of the house through

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the front, So they make entry into the house from

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the front. Those other officers remain on the back and

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they can hear from the back patio the officers on

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the inside are announcing Phoenix Police. You know police department. Hello,

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Phoenix Police. Well, at that moment, the door on the

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far right of the house began to open, and it

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caught their attention because the light started coming through because

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the house was mostly dark. It was dark when they

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were looking everywhere else. But now all of a sudden,

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this light is popping up and it catches their attention.

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So they look over there, and as the door opened,

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the officer could see large amounts, not drops, large amounts

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of what looked to be dried blood that was smeared

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all on the floor and also on the surrounding wall.

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So the person who opened that door never noticed that

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the officers were standing there, and so he quickly slipped

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out of the door. Now I want to stop real

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quick and tell you this. This is happening after midnight,

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and that matters. The time matters here because it was

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dark outside, it was dark inside. That's how that light

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caught their attention. I don't think I mentioned that. So

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this man slips out of that back door. Those officers,

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there was two of them on the back patio, pull

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their weapons, draw down on the guy and started shouting,

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let me see your hands. Let me see your hands.

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Get on the ground. Get on the ground, Get on

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the ground. Well. The man, just in those moments, they

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could tell had cuts and bruises. They noticed that there

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was a large bruise on his left eye. He had

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on a white T shirt, and the white T shirt

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had dried blood all down it. And then he had

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on long, dark shorts and he was barefoot. So the

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cops are saying, let me see your hand, let me

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see your hands, Get on the ground, get on the ground. Well,

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the man, the only thing he will say is what's

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going on? What's going on? He's not complying. Okay, he's

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not doing what they're asking him to do. So they

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kept giving the commands. He continued to not comply. Both

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officers then approached him, holstered their weapons, and they put

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their hands on his shoulders and they took him down

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to the ground. Now, when they went to the ground,

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the man then put his hands underneath his stomach. Kind

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of people will do that oftentimes to avoid their hands

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being able to be cuffed. They'll kind of lay on

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their hands. But the officer couldn't get his hands out

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from underneath the man, and so he took his thumb

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and if you want to do this right now, you can.

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But underneath your chin, on kind of where your neck

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meets where your jawbone is, if you take your thumb

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and you push up in that space, there's a pressure

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point there and it hurts like a mother if you

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push on that point. Well, this is something that is used.

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It is a common practice. But in an effort to

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get the man's hands out because they were having a

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hard time, he utilized that pressure point on the left

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side of the man's you know, jaw right there, and

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when he pushed it, it forced the man to release

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his arms because basically it's pain compliance and they were

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able to take the man into investigative custody. Now, during

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the handcuffing, when they were actually putting the cuffs on,

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the cop also knows that it looked like there was

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dried blood all over his hands as well as underneath

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his fingernails, and so obviously there were some questions here.

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So they're searching him now that they've got him in custody,

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and the officer felt from the outside of his pants

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that there was a small square item inside of that pocket.

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It was the left rear pocket of his shorts, and

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so he asked the man, you know, what is this?

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00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:29.640
He says, that's my ID. So the officer said, do

470
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:31.920
you mind if I retrieve that from you? He said,

471
00:25:31.920 --> 00:25:34.599
go ahead, So he pulled it out and he found

472
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.000
that it was in fact his ID. So the cop

473
00:25:38.079 --> 00:25:40.880
then took this man, placed him into the back of

474
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:43.920
the patrol car, and then began asking the man his

475
00:25:44.599 --> 00:25:47.920
biographical information. And that's when the guy said, my name

476
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:51.759
is Ryan Waller. So that matches the idea that he's

477
00:25:51.799 --> 00:25:53.240
got and so they're kind of trying to figure out

478
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:55.319
who this guy is. Boom, now they know who it is.

479
00:25:55.759 --> 00:25:58.160
So while this is going on and he's being asked

480
00:25:58.200 --> 00:25:59.960
his very basic questions, while he's in the cop call,

481
00:26:00.480 --> 00:26:03.680
he was continuously saying, what's going on? I just want

482
00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:06.119
to go to bed, you know, I just want to

483
00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:07.759
go to bed. What's going on? That's kind of all

484
00:26:07.759 --> 00:26:09.720
he would really say. And the cop told him, look,

485
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:11.079
you're gonna have to wait. You're gonna have to talk

486
00:26:11.119 --> 00:26:13.480
to a detective. We've got some stuff going on here

487
00:26:13.480 --> 00:26:16.720
and we're not we have to sort all of this out. Okay,

488
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:21.559
that said at the same time, Okay, inside of the house,

489
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:24.559
the officers that made entry. When they came in, they

490
00:26:24.640 --> 00:26:29.519
found a woman that was unresponsive and not replying or

491
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:32.880
doing anything whenever they were giving their commands. So obviously

492
00:26:32.920 --> 00:26:35.279
they believe that she was in in a medical emergency.

493
00:26:35.839 --> 00:26:38.400
So the woman is not moving, she's not reacting. This

494
00:26:38.559 --> 00:26:40.720
is really really bad. But again, it was dark in

495
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:42.920
the house, so when they do get the lights on,

496
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:45.279
they decide that they've got to continue to clear the

497
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:48.880
building or the home of any more people that might

498
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.799
be there. And to their surprise, there was another person

499
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.319
that was in the home, but it was a female

500
00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.720
and she was asleep in her bedroom. So when they

501
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:02.279
got her up, she fight herself as Alicia. She says,

502
00:27:02.319 --> 00:27:06.680
I'm Ryan's roommate, and she too, was also immediately detained

503
00:27:06.759 --> 00:27:09.480
at the scene because it was still active, and they

504
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.400
walked her out of the house in police custody. So

505
00:27:14.200 --> 00:27:17.000
a firetruck arrived at that point, and first, if you

506
00:27:17.039 --> 00:27:20.240
don't know this, fire trucks they're first responders. They're not

507
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:23.200
just firefighters, okay, which is I don't mean to say

508
00:27:23.240 --> 00:27:26.720
just firefighters, but they have multiple skills on that truck,

509
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:29.799
and so they come running in to try and assist

510
00:27:29.839 --> 00:27:34.160
the woman on the couch. So the ambulances and all

511
00:27:34.200 --> 00:27:37.119
that will arrive and can't arrive with paramedics, but for

512
00:27:37.200 --> 00:27:40.920
the moment, the immediate moment, firefighters were the first medical

513
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.319
folks that were on scene. So they come in and

514
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:45.119
they go to check on the woman who was on

515
00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:48.960
the couch, but aid would be very limited because when

516
00:27:48.960 --> 00:27:51.839
they got close and they really started checking her, they

517
00:27:51.920 --> 00:27:56.799
confirmed that she was well beyond any medical treatment because

518
00:27:56.839 --> 00:28:01.920
she was dead. She was gone, and based on just

519
00:28:02.000 --> 00:28:05.839
the looks of her at that exact moment, they believe

520
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.319
that she had been dead for some time too. Now

521
00:28:08.319 --> 00:28:10.480
I don't mean weeks or anything like that, but this

522
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.640
was not a fresh death in their opinion, and so

523
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:17.960
by that point when they were checking everything else, they

524
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.759
were able to positively identify the deceased female as twenty

525
00:28:21.799 --> 00:28:30.519
one year old Heather Kwan Ryan's girlfriend. So fire finished

526
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.359
doing their thing, and then they had no other reason

527
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:35.319
to be there on the scene, so they wrapped up

528
00:28:35.359 --> 00:28:39.920
their duties and then they left the scene. The coroner

529
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:43.720
would have to be the next person to work on,

530
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:45.720
you know, with the body and all that kind of stuff.

531
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.799
But first before the coroner could do that, police had

532
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:52.240
to finish what they started, and that would include a

533
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:56.759
homicide investigation unit would have to be called to the scene.

534
00:28:56.839 --> 00:28:58.039
Now I know, right now you're like, why are you

535
00:28:58.039 --> 00:29:00.359
being so damned technical on how this is working. It's

536
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:03.200
going to matter. You can trust that everything I'm telling

537
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:11.200
you is going to matter. So, considering Ryan's condition right now,

538
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:14.519
it looked like he had been in a fight, Okay,

539
00:29:14.599 --> 00:29:17.000
he was very roughed up. There's blood on him there,

540
00:29:17.319 --> 00:29:20.599
his fingernails, his left eye was severely blackened. He also

541
00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:23.759
had a wound on his nose. There's a dead woman

542
00:29:23.880 --> 00:29:27.880
inside of the house on the couch, and Ryan was

543
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.200
trying to slip out of the back door and get away.

544
00:29:30.240 --> 00:29:33.680
So it was really raising some big red flags in

545
00:29:33.799 --> 00:29:37.039
this exact moment. And so it was at that time

546
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:40.720
that the police went ahead and they called in for

547
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:45.119
a homicide to come. So, for time's sake, it was

548
00:29:45.240 --> 00:29:49.519
roughly an hour after the very first dispatch was made

549
00:29:49.519 --> 00:29:52.160
for police to complete the welfare check. Okay, So from

550
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.240
the time that the welfare check started and the cop

551
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:59.279
arrived and all of that, it was roughly an hour

552
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:07.079
before officers were even radioed for homicide to respond. Okay,

553
00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.400
it was twenty four minutes after the cops made entry

554
00:30:11.079 --> 00:30:15.599
to the home that they called for homicide to respond. Now,

555
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:19.319
it was Christmas Day, and unfortunately, murders happen even on

556
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:22.359
special days like this, and so it would be a

557
00:30:22.400 --> 00:30:25.759
detective Dalton who was on call, and so he would

558
00:30:25.759 --> 00:30:28.240
be the one that would be called to the scene.

559
00:30:28.519 --> 00:30:31.759
Now I want to explain this too. This is real life. Okay,

560
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:38.160
Responding takes time. So for example, let's say that you're out,

561
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:42.200
you're the detective on call, and you're out cutting your grass,

562
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.440
and then you get paigd or you get called, hey,

563
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:47.480
we've got a homicide. We need you to go respond.

564
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.720
You obviously are going to be granted some grace and

565
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.720
you're going to be expected to quickly shower, throw on

566
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:56.599
your professional clothes before you make it to the homicide investigation.

567
00:30:56.920 --> 00:30:59.839
That's unless you are fully expecting, you know that, in

568
00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.200
the example, the cop to show up and contaminate the

569
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:06.119
crime scene with grass clippings everywhere, and then what will

570
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:08.400
follow is the media will assassinate your character as someone

571
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.799
who cared more about cutting grass than the victim because

572
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.680
you didn't even bother to change clothes. YadA, YadA, YadA.

573
00:31:14.079 --> 00:31:16.559
It's just an example, but it's important to point this

574
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:19.079
out that nothing is immediate because it takes time to

575
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.000
get from point A to point B. Okay. So I

576
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.319
hope that this makes sense. And unless you can teleport,

577
00:31:25.319 --> 00:31:27.519
you understand that that's why it takes minutes for people

578
00:31:27.519 --> 00:31:29.359
to get from A to B. So it would be

579
00:31:29.559 --> 00:31:33.119
a little more time before Detective Dalton would even actually

580
00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:38.119
arrive on the scene. And like I said, Ryan was

581
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.799
placed inside of a police car to sit until he

582
00:31:40.880 --> 00:31:43.799
was either going to be released or arrested or whatever

583
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.920
was to come of this situation. So when Detective Dalton

584
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:52.759
arrived on the scene, he was briefed by the officers

585
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.240
that had first responded and then the investigation became his

586
00:31:56.319 --> 00:32:01.519
squad's responsibility at that point. So Ahama Side Squad, at

587
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.200
least for Phoenix PD at that time, was not just

588
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.039
one guy, y'all. It was it had a structure to it.

589
00:32:08.039 --> 00:32:12.559
It had multiple people that would complete a variety of

590
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:16.519
delegated tasks. So one would take lead detective and that

591
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:19.839
person may or may not interview the suspect or suspects.

592
00:32:20.119 --> 00:32:22.359
One would be the scene detective and would go through

593
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.960
the scene and work with CSI. Another would be like

594
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:28.839
an assisting investigator, and that person would go obtain search

595
00:32:28.880 --> 00:32:32.680
warrants or other necessary documents, maybe run n CIC, which

596
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:36.240
is your criminal your background type checks on people whatever. Okay,

597
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:39.160
so there's like a squad effort here to get this done.

598
00:32:39.839 --> 00:32:45.519
Homicide investigations can be tedious, they can be informationally labor intensive,

599
00:32:45.880 --> 00:32:49.359
and so more than one person would be expected to

600
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:53.960
be working on a case. So Alisha, the roommate, and

601
00:32:54.039 --> 00:32:57.240
Ryan were both placed in police cars, but they were

602
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.519
in separate cars, but they did both remain on scene

603
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:04.759
while detective Dalton got a grasp of the situation and

604
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.039
got the you know, initial things at the scene under

605
00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:10.720
his belt. A walk through of the house was done

606
00:33:10.799 --> 00:33:13.720
to get his bearings and to get the layout, understanding

607
00:33:13.720 --> 00:33:16.400
the timeline of events as best as he could hammer

608
00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:20.759
it out to that point. And at this time, all

609
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:23.680
that was really known to the police was that, Hey,

610
00:33:23.920 --> 00:33:26.839
we showed up, we made entry, Ryan tried to run away,

611
00:33:27.799 --> 00:33:32.599
Heather was declared deceased, and then we called you. Ryan

612
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:35.799
at that point says he doesn't know anything what's going on,

613
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.920
and he's completely unaware of anything that's happening. The roommate.

614
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.400
Olisia also says she doesn't know what's happening. Okay, she

615
00:33:44.400 --> 00:33:46.880
she doesn't even she doesn't even didn't even know there

616
00:33:46.880 --> 00:33:50.160
was an issue at the house. So this true obvious questions, right,

617
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.680
It was clear that both detainees in the cars needed

618
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:55.720
to be questioned further before releasing them, especially the one

619
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:58.519
who tried to run and had a massive black eye,

620
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:01.680
and also to boot was dating the girl that's dead

621
00:34:01.720 --> 00:34:04.720
on the couch. So Detective Dalton made the decision at

622
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:06.160
that point to go ahead and have both of the

623
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.119
detainees sent to what they he would call six twenty,

624
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.280
which was what headquarters was referred to. That was their address,

625
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:14.360
but they would call it six twenty. He wanted to

626
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.360
have them there whenever he questioned them, so that it

627
00:34:17.360 --> 00:34:21.320
would be video recorded, audio recorded, and everything would be monitored.

628
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:27.159
So another officer then drove Ryan two headquarters and Alicia

629
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:31.280
while Detective Dalton wrapped up his preliminary work at the scene,

630
00:34:31.320 --> 00:34:35.079
which included also assessing any evidence that might be there. Now,

631
00:34:35.119 --> 00:34:37.239
what evidence was there, I'd like to tell you a

632
00:34:37.239 --> 00:34:41.280
little bit about that. One of the biggest obvious points

633
00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:43.480
of concern in terms of evidence was that there was

634
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:49.000
a bloody bucket and a bloody mop in the kitchen.

635
00:34:50.280 --> 00:34:55.880
So the floor in the kitchen had clearly had pulled

636
00:34:55.920 --> 00:34:59.760
blood at one point, where someone had messily tried to

637
00:35:00.039 --> 00:35:03.000
clean it up with the mop. The bloody mop still

638
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:06.559
in the bucket, sitting there where everybody could plainly see it.

639
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:09.920
Why would someone clean up the blood in a house?

640
00:35:10.840 --> 00:35:13.119
Why would anybody do that? And there's a dead girl

641
00:35:13.159 --> 00:35:15.480
and nobody knows what's going on, So the question is,

642
00:35:15.519 --> 00:35:17.400
you know, is this an attempted cover up of a crime.

643
00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:19.519
It sure seems that way. Someone tried to clean up.

644
00:35:20.679 --> 00:35:23.519
The coroner at that point arrived to pick up Heather's

645
00:35:23.519 --> 00:35:27.280
body for autopsy, and from all accounts, at that moment,

646
00:35:27.320 --> 00:35:30.039
it looked as though she was asleep other than what

647
00:35:30.119 --> 00:35:33.280
appeared to be a gunshot wound to her head. She

648
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:37.440
was lying long ways on that couch, she had a pillow,

649
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:40.719
she had a blanket on her pulled up nearly up

650
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:44.440
up to her chin. So the thought was that, okay,

651
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:46.320
she must have been shot while she was asleep, she

652
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:49.239
never even saw it coming. Kind of the general consensus

653
00:35:49.320 --> 00:35:54.239
at that point, well before anything could go further, next

654
00:35:54.239 --> 00:35:57.840
of kin notifications also had to be made, which meant

655
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:03.159
breaking the news to Heather Quand's family that she was gone,

656
00:36:03.239 --> 00:36:06.880
that she was dead, and that she wouldn't be returning

657
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:12.519
back home. That's never fun. It's an unfortunate reality, and

658
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:14.440
it had to be done, and it had to be

659
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.039
done in a timely manner. They wanted to alert the

660
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.199
family before the news got a hold of it or

661
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:23.280
anything like that. So once that's done, Detective Dalton left

662
00:36:23.280 --> 00:36:26.159
the scene and he made his way back to headquarters.

663
00:36:26.519 --> 00:36:29.639
When he got there, the team made the decision that

664
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:31.880
he would be the one to do the actual interviewing

665
00:36:31.960 --> 00:36:34.440
of the detainees, and he says, okay, cool, no problem,

666
00:36:34.519 --> 00:36:38.400
I'll do the interviews. So he interviewed Alicia first and

667
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:44.519
that began at four twenty five. Now, Alicia's story was

668
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:48.360
one that seemed extremely plausible. She explained that she and

669
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:52.840
Ryan were strictly roommates. That the night before police had

670
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:56.000
arrived and woke her up, she had returned home because

671
00:36:56.000 --> 00:36:58.760
she had been visiting with her mom for Christmas, and

672
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:00.840
she said she got home late that night. It was

673
00:37:00.880 --> 00:37:04.280
around nine point thirty or ten pm, so she obviously

674
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:05.840
she had a key to her house when she tried

675
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.760
to get into the house. The key wouldn't work because

676
00:37:08.800 --> 00:37:11.119
the dead bolt was on, and she was like jerking

677
00:37:11.159 --> 00:37:12.960
on the door and she couldn't get inside. So she

678
00:37:13.039 --> 00:37:16.760
starts banging on the door and nobody's answering. She's banging,

679
00:37:16.760 --> 00:37:20.119
She's banging, She's banging. And then eventually Ryan came and

680
00:37:20.159 --> 00:37:22.199
he unlocked the dead bolt and he let her in.

681
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:27.920
But whenever he opened the door, it was completely black.

682
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:30.079
Inside of the house. It was completely dark. There were

683
00:37:30.079 --> 00:37:33.559
no lights on, and she's like, what are you doing, dude,

684
00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:35.480
Flip on the light, man, I can't see, and so

685
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:38.599
he goes over flips on a light and that's when

686
00:37:38.599 --> 00:37:42.920
she realizes, whoa what happened to your face? He had?

687
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.280
She said he had a huge black eye. She asked

688
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.079
him what happened to your face? And she said he

689
00:37:47.159 --> 00:37:50.400
was just very vague. He didn't really answer her question,

690
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:54.320
and he just wanted to go lay back down. So

691
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.559
he went back to his room, shut the door, and

692
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.679
he laid down. Alicia then just went to her room.

693
00:38:01.119 --> 00:38:03.199
When she went in there, she put on a movie.

694
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:08.000
She was watching Super Troopers. She partook in some special

695
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:11.159
smoking and then she kind of chilled out, and she

696
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:15.360
watched the movie and was kind of falling asleep. But

697
00:38:15.480 --> 00:38:18.559
while she was watching that movie, she would periodically hear

698
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:22.599
Ryan start moaning in the bedroom next door. She knew

699
00:38:22.599 --> 00:38:24.800
that he had a black eye, and so she went

700
00:38:24.840 --> 00:38:27.079
and she started knocking on his bedroom door and was like, Ryan,

701
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:30.039
are you okay man? What is happening? And she said,

702
00:38:30.039 --> 00:38:32.840
do you want some medicine or something? And she went

703
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.599
and she grabbed him some etcn She went back and

704
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:40.639
he took it and then he shut his door. She

705
00:38:40.679 --> 00:38:42.679
went back to her room, shut the door, and the

706
00:38:42.679 --> 00:38:44.800
next thing she knew, she was being awakened by the

707
00:38:44.800 --> 00:38:46.800
police and they took her out of the house and

708
00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:50.239
they said, okay, well what about Heather? And she says,

709
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:53.159
you know what about Heather? The only time I saw

710
00:38:53.159 --> 00:38:55.199
her was whenever I was walking out. She was asleep

711
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.119
on the couch and there was an officer looking over her. Well,

712
00:38:59.800 --> 00:39:02.000
she the cop says, she was asleep on the couch

713
00:39:02.039 --> 00:39:05.440
and she said yeah, And she said she was asked,

714
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:09.519
did you ever see Heather on the couch whenever you

715
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:12.679
got home? And she said, well no, but I never

716
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:14.280
really looked at the couch. She said it was pitch

717
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.480
black in the house. Ryan wasn't turning any lights on.

718
00:39:16.559 --> 00:39:19.400
I couldn't see anything. Nothing was out of place, and

719
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.000
I just kind of went about my business and I

720
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:24.320
went back to my bedroom. I saw Ryan's injuries, but

721
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:27.159
he wasn't acting like he needed emergent help or anything.

722
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:31.000
He just had a black eye and that was about it.

723
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:35.920
So Detective Dalton then advised her, look, when you saw Heather,

724
00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.400
she was not sleeping when you walked out. She said,

725
00:39:40.400 --> 00:39:44.280
what do you mean, and he said, Heather's dead. So

726
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:49.559
Alicia looked genuinely shocked at this revelation, just takes it

727
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:53.719
in like, oh my god. After processing it, she did

728
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.320
try to give as much information as possible, but it

729
00:39:56.360 --> 00:39:58.679
was nothing really in depth about Heather because frankly, she

730
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:01.400
didn't know her that well. Again, she was just roommates

731
00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:04.159
with Ryan. Heather was Dayton Ryan. That's pretty much what

732
00:40:04.239 --> 00:40:08.440
she knew. Alicia did add though, that she had heard

733
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:13.320
a female knocking on their door around what she guessed

734
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.440
was midnight, but she didn't answer it because the woman

735
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:23.840
was yelling for Ryan. So again, you know, Alicia wasn't

736
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.840
expecting anybody at the house. It was midnight, and she

737
00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:29.360
didn't know if this was a woman scorned or or

738
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:31.519
if there was a fight. She didn't want to get

739
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:33.119
in the middle of it. She wasn't going to answer

740
00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.559
the door, and so Ryan obviously wouldn't answer in it.

741
00:40:35.599 --> 00:40:39.480
So she just was minding her own business. Well, that

742
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:44.039
statement aligned with what Ryan's mother had told police initially.

743
00:40:45.079 --> 00:40:51.679
So Alicia's questioning did last approximately forty five minutes, and

744
00:40:51.719 --> 00:40:55.559
then Detective Dalton moved into the room with Ryan. Okay,

745
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:59.920
so while Ryan was being held and Alicia was being questioned,

746
00:41:00.159 --> 00:41:02.760
he was under video surveillance the entire time in that

747
00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:07.880
holding room. Obviously, Detective Dalton was busy interviewing Alicia and

748
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:12.239
wasn't watching what Ryan was doing. But as your podcaster here,

749
00:41:12.320 --> 00:41:14.920
I have the pleasure of watching and seeing what was happening,

750
00:41:14.920 --> 00:41:17.840
and so I'm gonna I'm gonna answer it for you.

751
00:41:17.920 --> 00:41:21.840
So before any questioning was done, Ryan's clothing clothing was

752
00:41:21.880 --> 00:41:25.360
taken as potential evidence, and he was told to get

753
00:41:25.440 --> 00:41:30.639
dressed in this white, disposable plastic zipper suit with a hood,

754
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:33.199
and he did as he was told. He changed, he

755
00:41:33.239 --> 00:41:36.719
put it on. He was escorted into that interrogation room

756
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.960
for the further questioning. But before that started, they wanted

757
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.159
to photograph his bare feet. They wanted to get prints

758
00:41:44.239 --> 00:41:47.039
off of his feet, and you know, any other little

759
00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:51.639
evidence collection that they could do. So CSI came in.

760
00:41:51.960 --> 00:41:54.440
They took pictures of his feet, which Ryan lifted up

761
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:56.800
on the table for them, and they did some other

762
00:41:56.880 --> 00:42:00.000
small things before they exited the room. Ryan then waighed

763
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:02.920
a little bit more, and while he's waiting, he's moaning

764
00:42:03.440 --> 00:42:05.880
from time to time, and you kind of get the

765
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:09.239
feeling of it's like frustration mixed with maybe like a

766
00:42:09.360 --> 00:42:12.360
headache from the way he sounded. Plus he has this

767
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:15.079
big black eye. So he drew his feet up in

768
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:18.000
the chair and he's resting his head on his knees

769
00:42:18.079 --> 00:42:21.960
before shifting around and beginning to play with some handcuffs

770
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.559
that were cuffed to the table at one end. So

771
00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:27.360
he's playing with him, playing with him, and then he

772
00:42:27.360 --> 00:42:30.239
puts his own arm in and he cuffs himself to

773
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:33.760
the table, which he couldn't undo, and so he began

774
00:42:34.320 --> 00:42:37.199
began groaning again and then just waited for the questioning

775
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:42.239
to begin. So eventually Detective Dalton came in and started

776
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:46.400
to ask the questions. This started at approximately five twenty eight.

777
00:42:47.800 --> 00:42:52.840
So to start, Ryan tells the detective, look, I just

778
00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:54.599
want to go to sleep. I want to go home,

779
00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.280
and Detective Dalton says, no, that's not going to happen.

780
00:42:58.320 --> 00:43:00.159
We have some things we have to do before that.

781
00:43:01.039 --> 00:43:03.519
I have some questions. Plus, he tells him you need

782
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.079
to see a doctor, and Ryan asks him why why

783
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:08.199
do I need to see a doctor? And the detective

784
00:43:08.239 --> 00:43:12.199
points to his eye and says, you know you have

785
00:43:12.400 --> 00:43:14.639
your black eye, and he says Ryan asks him, is

786
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:18.079
it that bad? And Detective Dalton says yeah, I mean

787
00:43:18.480 --> 00:43:23.280
if you possibly have a concussion or something, you shouldn't

788
00:43:23.280 --> 00:43:26.000
go to sleep anyway. That wouldn't be good. Ryan says, well,

789
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:27.880
I want to go to sleep again, and the detective

790
00:43:27.880 --> 00:43:29.840
reminds him, look, even a doctor wouldn't want you to

791
00:43:29.840 --> 00:43:33.599
fall asleep if you have something that needs to be

792
00:43:33.639 --> 00:43:37.880
further checked out. So the conversation continues and Ryan follows

793
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:41.199
instructions and he answers the questions that are posed to him,

794
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:47.159
albeit somewhat confusing in doing so. To start, he tells

795
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.320
the detective he doesn't know why he's at the station,

796
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:53.159
and then before he has read his rights, he's asked

797
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:55.599
the basic question of have you ever seen cops? And

798
00:43:55.679 --> 00:43:58.320
Ryan says no, I would dare say a lot of

799
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:02.199
people have seen cops or or no shows about policing.

800
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:04.800
But he tells the detective no, never saw it. But

801
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:07.199
he says, I do understand my rights. After they are

802
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:11.320
read to him, the formal questioning begins, and I want

803
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:14.440
you to know there's super vanilla questions. What is the

804
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.440
highest grade of school you completed? And Ryan looks at

805
00:44:17.440 --> 00:44:20.079
the cop and says, I don't know. Then he says

806
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.280
the eighth grade, and then he says, I want to

807
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:25.960
go home now. I could sit here and I could

808
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:30.079
tell you the exchange of that entire conversation, but I

809
00:44:30.079 --> 00:44:32.719
would rather you hear it for yourself. I want you

810
00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:36.360
to take in the exchange, the experience on your own.

811
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.119
I want you to assess it as you hear it.

812
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:41.960
And I will tell you there has been one edit

813
00:44:42.079 --> 00:44:44.480
to this audio, and that's that I have sped up

814
00:44:44.519 --> 00:44:47.599
the audio just for time purposes, because there are gaps

815
00:44:47.599 --> 00:44:49.679
in the questioning and I want to dispeed it up

816
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:53.360
for you. So let's listen to the exchange between Detective

817
00:44:53.440 --> 00:44:57.280
Dalton and Ryan Waller in the interrogation.

818
00:44:56.800 --> 00:45:01.679
Room what's the what's your school? I don't know, I

819
00:45:01.719 --> 00:45:03.639
don't know. You don't know who the highest grade you

820
00:45:03.639 --> 00:45:08.880
went through? Eighth grade? Did you graduate? Yeah? Did you?

821
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:13.000
Do you have a ged? I don't know. I don't

822
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:17.239
know what. I don't know. I don't know. I just

823
00:45:17.280 --> 00:45:19.400
want to go home. You're you're not gonna go home

824
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:30.559
right now? So what what's the highest grade that you completed? B? No,

825
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:35.079
not not grade as in letter grade? I'm asking? Did

826
00:45:35.119 --> 00:45:37.880
you graduate high school and the highest you went was

827
00:45:37.920 --> 00:45:43.280
eighth grade? M? Yeah? Do you know how to read

828
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:56.039
and write right now? Yeah? Okay, okay. Do you have

829
00:45:56.039 --> 00:46:03.960
a girlfriend? Mm hmmm mm hm, nope, you you know

830
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:06.880
a girl named Heather? Mm hm? You know Heather's last name?

831
00:46:07.559 --> 00:46:11.199
Mm hmm. What's Heather's last name? The one that lives

832
00:46:11.280 --> 00:46:13.880
there right now? I guess I don't know if her

833
00:46:13.920 --> 00:46:19.679
name's Heather, what's her last name? I don't know.

834
00:46:19.760 --> 00:46:21.559
What's the names she's trying to use as her last one.

835
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:24.039
She's trying to have a real last her nicknames, I

836
00:46:24.079 --> 00:46:27.840
don't know what nickname does you go by? Probably wants

837
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:31.440
the last name Kiman Kyman? How would you spell that

838
00:46:31.480 --> 00:46:31.960
with the k ror?

839
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:41.599
See okay, I don't know. The hold is Heather sixteen seventeen.

840
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:43.760
She a white girl?

841
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:52.960
Yeah? How did you beat Heather from the owner? Since school?

842
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:57.519
Okay? I don't know. She's just knowing her from school.

843
00:46:57.519 --> 00:46:59.639
She used to be a business name. I don't know.

844
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:02.360
She used to be doing business name. She used to

845
00:47:02.360 --> 00:47:04.639
be in my pook name with business name? Oh, okay.

846
00:47:04.880 --> 00:47:06.480
She used to be in a class, your business class?

847
00:47:07.239 --> 00:47:14.679
All right? What happened to your face? I don't know.

848
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:17.159
You told the officer just a few minutes ago that

849
00:47:17.320 --> 00:47:20.079
somebody hit you. Do you remember who hit you? I

850
00:47:20.119 --> 00:47:26.480
don't know. I think it was Heather. Why would Heather

851
00:47:26.559 --> 00:47:29.760
hit you? I don't know.

852
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:35.880
That's an accident? I forgot why?

853
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:42.760
What was an accident? Heather's last name? What was an accident?

854
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.480
Heather hitting me? Where did she hit you with her hand?

855
00:47:46.840 --> 00:47:50.920
I did you guys have an argument? Not really? No,

856
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.039
not really? Uh uh? What happened for her to hit

857
00:47:54.079 --> 00:47:54.800
you any high like that?

858
00:47:55.039 --> 00:47:56.800
She just hit me in an accident. She was giving

859
00:47:56.880 --> 00:48:00.639
Christina in her head. She was what she was having

860
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:01.719
Christina with her hair or something.

861
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:07.239
I don't know who's Christina. She's on the couch. Christina's

862
00:48:07.280 --> 00:48:16.000
on a coach. What's Christina's last name? I don't know.

863
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.559
What does she look like? I really don't know. You

864
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:24.760
don't know. Huh huh, I really don't what color her does? Brown?

865
00:48:25.599 --> 00:48:31.159
Is a mom? Just average? Hold? Is Christina twenty? Maybe?

866
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:37.400
I don't know. Do you know Alicia? Mm hmm. You

867
00:48:37.400 --> 00:48:40.199
don't know Alicia? Mm hmm. She lives at your house?

868
00:48:42.280 --> 00:48:44.840
Do you don't? Guy named Eric? What's Eric's last name?

869
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:45.840
Mm?

870
00:48:45.920 --> 00:48:53.800
Hm? He's trying to pay me back, bring something? His

871
00:48:53.880 --> 00:49:01.519
last name is green something? Yes, yes, Okay, where's Eric

872
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.519
right now? I don't know. Do you have his phone number?

873
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.920
I really don't. You don't have one? Okay? Do you

874
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:10.679
have Heather's phone number? You don't know? M M I'm

875
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:15.360
a Christina mm hmm. You don't want anybody's phon number? M.

876
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:19.000
What happened last night? I don't know. You don't know.

877
00:49:19.239 --> 00:49:21.239
I really don't. I just want to go to sleep

878
00:49:21.280 --> 00:49:21.920
and go to sleep.

879
00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:23.280
Mm.

880
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:30.840
Well you remembered Heather hitting you in the eye? Right if?

881
00:49:30.840 --> 00:49:32.039
I don't remember after that because I just wanted to

882
00:49:32.119 --> 00:49:33.960
lay down and try to go to sleep, all right.

883
00:49:34.519 --> 00:49:36.079
I don't know what anybody was doing. I really don't

884
00:49:36.199 --> 00:49:37.679
who was in the house when you went to sleep?

885
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:39.159
Christina and Heather?

886
00:49:39.519 --> 00:49:45.960
Christina and Heather mm hmm okay. And Christina's at a couch,

887
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:49.320
Heather was, Heather was on a couch. You told me

888
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:50.360
Christina was at a coach just an.

889
00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:54.280
I don't know, man, I really don't. I really don't.

890
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:55.039
You just don't know.

891
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:56.760
I really don't, man, or you don't want to tell me.

892
00:49:56.800 --> 00:49:58.760
I really don't know, man, I really don't. I just

893
00:49:58.760 --> 00:49:59.440
wanna gown and.

894
00:49:59.360 --> 00:49:59.760
Go to sleep.

895
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:06.480
Man, why you're not gonna go anywhere? Do you know

896
00:50:06.559 --> 00:50:08.719
what happened in your house last night? M? M is

897
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.679
that house yours? Yours are your parents, you bought that house.

898
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:15.239
M okay, Why what happened?

899
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:21.239
M hmm. I don't know what happened. You're gonna beat up, right,

900
00:50:22.159 --> 00:50:23.440
So tell me what happened. I don't know. I just

901
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:29.880
wanna go to sleep. Man, that's it. H Remember happened

902
00:50:29.880 --> 00:50:31.159
your nose? There's a big chunk out of your nose.

903
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:36.599
I don't know, So grab you wall you fright with somebody? No,

904
00:50:36.760 --> 00:50:38.199
I need to go. I need to go back to sleep.

905
00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:38.360
Man.

906
00:50:38.400 --> 00:50:41.960
I'm just tired. Man. That's it. Didn't even do anything.

907
00:50:41.960 --> 00:50:43.519
I just want to go to sleep. Do you remember

908
00:50:43.519 --> 00:50:46.400
what time this happened? You are right? One or maybe earlier?

909
00:50:46.440 --> 00:50:50.760
I don't know. I don't know. Do you know Eric's girlfriend? Yeah?

910
00:50:50.840 --> 00:50:58.320
What's your name? Father? Eric's girlfriend's Heather? Mm hmm. Okay, Alicia,

911
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.119
the girl that lives at your house. Do you know

912
00:51:01.119 --> 00:51:03.239
who she is? Okay? Yeah?

913
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:05.039
But a better Do you remember what time she came

914
00:51:05.079 --> 00:51:08.199
home last night? Not really why, I'm just asking. I don't,

915
00:51:09.000 --> 00:51:09.639
I really don't.

916
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:13.119
Okay. She said, when she came home last night, your

917
00:51:13.119 --> 00:51:16.199
eye was already like that? Mm hmmm. Do you remember

918
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.480
let her in the house? I think so? Was your

919
00:51:18.480 --> 00:51:19.480
eye already screwed up like that?

920
00:51:19.679 --> 00:51:21.119
It was later in the night. If she got back

921
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:23.320
so like two in the morning. I was already sleeping though,

922
00:51:24.000 --> 00:51:27.639
m hm. So she got back at two in the morning.

923
00:51:28.039 --> 00:51:34.519
Yeah, I don't know if from where? Okay? Did you

924
00:51:34.599 --> 00:51:44.239
usually keep the house all dark? Yes? Yes, okay Heather?

925
00:51:48.400 --> 00:51:51.280
Mm hmm. You're you're saying that's Eric's girlfriend mm hm

926
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:55.760
or your girlfriend? Heather? Yeah? Mine, Heather's your girlfriend? All right?

927
00:51:56.719 --> 00:51:59.960
Was Heather over last night? M h? All right, Heather

928
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:04.639
did this to you? But your eye? Okay? Who did

929
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:07.559
that to you, Alicia. Alicia did that to you now?

930
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:12.920
M h. I swear, I'm not even lying. I swear. Okay,

931
00:52:15.800 --> 00:52:19.320
why would Alisha do this to you? Were you married

932
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:21.039
at Alicia? No, I don't know why. I don't know why.

933
00:52:21.199 --> 00:52:23.280
She probably hit it on something. I don't know. She'd

934
00:52:23.320 --> 00:52:27.559
be hit one on something. I don't know. I don't know, man,

935
00:52:36.400 --> 00:52:38.719
I don't know. I just want to go to sleep. Man,

936
00:52:38.800 --> 00:52:43.079
that's it, right, huh huh. There's a dead girl in

937
00:52:43.079 --> 00:52:46.599
your living room. She's dead, yes, Heather, I don't know.

938
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:51.440
I want to know what happened in your house last night.

939
00:52:52.400 --> 00:52:54.639
The girl on the couch is dead. I don't know

940
00:52:54.679 --> 00:52:58.280
if she's any college. She's dead. Okay, you're telling me,

941
00:52:58.880 --> 00:53:00.400
you're you're all over the board here, no one.

942
00:53:00.880 --> 00:53:02.920
You're seeing bows and arrows, you're seeing revolvers and you're

943
00:53:02.920 --> 00:53:04.840
saying it smilar thing. And you're saying, they shot you

944
00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:07.880
in the eye. Okay, they shot you with a revolver

945
00:53:07.920 --> 00:53:08.320
in your eye?

946
00:53:08.400 --> 00:53:11.840
Yes, and that is it a beaty gun? No, it

947
00:53:11.920 --> 00:53:15.400
was a real gun, man. It was just a with

948
00:53:15.480 --> 00:53:18.039
a revolver. You want to be talking to me right now?

949
00:53:18.400 --> 00:53:20.440
How do you know it was most likely you'd be dead.

950
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.280
That's what I thought too. Man. I really don't know. Okay,

951
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:25.480
I really don't know, and I just want to go

952
00:53:25.480 --> 00:53:27.239
back to sleep and try to go to You're not

953
00:53:27.320 --> 00:53:32.320
going back to that, Okay, that's not gonna happen, all right?

954
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:33.840
But what man, what am I gonna do? Tell me

955
00:53:33.840 --> 00:53:34.920
what I'm gonna do? All right?

956
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:37.559
So now you've heard that portion, and you need to

957
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:40.159
know this if you don't, But detectives usually know the

958
00:53:40.280 --> 00:53:42.920
answers to a majority of the questions that they ask

959
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:47.719
before they ask them. And basically what Ryan was saying

960
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:50.960
didn't jive with most of it. So he said he

961
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:54.039
didn't graduate high school, but Ryan had graduated high school.

962
00:53:54.199 --> 00:53:56.960
He said he didn't have a girlfriend, but he did

963
00:53:57.000 --> 00:53:59.519
in fact have a girlfriend and everyone knew it was Heather.

964
00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:03.559
He said that Heather was sixteen or seventeen years old

965
00:54:03.559 --> 00:54:07.280
when she was twenty one. He said he didn't know

966
00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.800
what Heather looked like. So at this point he looks

967
00:54:10.840 --> 00:54:14.280
to be lying about everything. But you have to ask yourself,

968
00:54:14.320 --> 00:54:17.079
why what did he have to gain by lying about

969
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:20.239
whether he graduated high school or not? That says just

970
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.280
a bizarre thing to lie about Now, when he was

971
00:54:23.320 --> 00:54:27.199
asked about his eye injury, he said he got the

972
00:54:27.199 --> 00:54:29.960
eye injury because Heather hit him, and he says with

973
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:33.559
his hand, But then he says it was an accident.

974
00:54:33.960 --> 00:54:36.760
So in the detective's mind, he's like, okay, well, was

975
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:40.280
this really a domestic violent situation? And he was trying

976
00:54:40.280 --> 00:54:43.480
to distance himself from it by not answering the questions.

977
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:47.239
It was just so odd, and the questioning continues.

978
00:54:47.400 --> 00:54:47.559
Now.

979
00:54:47.559 --> 00:54:49.639
I do want you to know that the detective's demeanor

980
00:54:49.880 --> 00:54:54.280
and his tone towards Ryan remained the same the entire time.

981
00:54:54.519 --> 00:54:58.480
He was soft but direct, he remained inquisitive, but clearly

982
00:54:58.840 --> 00:55:02.440
confused by the runner he was receiving in the answers.

983
00:55:02.880 --> 00:55:05.000
And there's a reason I'm pointing this out, but I'll

984
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.960
get to it later. But even in the gotcha moments

985
00:55:08.039 --> 00:55:11.480
where Ryan was clearly caught giving a different answer than

986
00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.840
he had just given, the detective never berated him. He

987
00:55:14.920 --> 00:55:17.519
never got aggressive with him. He never told him, you know,

988
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.239
cut the bullshit, man, I know you're lying, or anything

989
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:23.000
like that. He just continued to ask the questions to

990
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:30.280
try to make it make sense. Ryan continued to give

991
00:55:30.440 --> 00:55:34.480
more confusing answers and then they would shift and they

992
00:55:34.519 --> 00:55:37.119
would change, And so just as soon as the detective

993
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:39.840
would would try to make a foundational set of information

994
00:55:40.039 --> 00:55:42.519
to build one, then that foundation would change. And so

995
00:55:43.559 --> 00:55:46.119
at one point Ryan switched to a woman or a

996
00:55:46.159 --> 00:55:48.800
girl named Christina and said Christina was at the house,

997
00:55:49.079 --> 00:55:52.880
she was doing Heather's hair, and then in the same

998
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.519
breath he said that Christina was the person who now

999
00:55:55.559 --> 00:56:00.760
hit him in the face. But when more information requested,

1000
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:04.079
he said he didn't know Christina's last name and would

1001
00:56:04.119 --> 00:56:09.199
only say she had average hair. So he's claiming also

1002
00:56:09.239 --> 00:56:12.039
that he doesn't know Alicia, who is his roommate, who

1003
00:56:12.159 --> 00:56:15.159
was just interviewed in the next room, and who he

1004
00:56:15.519 --> 00:56:18.719
admits in other parts of the question that he opened

1005
00:56:18.719 --> 00:56:22.960
the door and let into the house. So it's very confusing.

1006
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:26.800
It's all over the place, but obviously something has happened

1007
00:56:26.840 --> 00:56:30.159
here and police needed the answers why are you black

1008
00:56:30.199 --> 00:56:32.000
and blue in the face and why is there a

1009
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:36.320
dead girl on your couch? And Ryan's consistent response was

1010
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:41.280
he didn't know, he couldn't remember, so, okay, great answer,

1011
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.039
but we need you to But Ryan continued to be

1012
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:48.000
evasive and honestly just didn't make much sense. So here's

1013
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:52.239
the thing. It's very odd for someone to walk around

1014
00:56:52.239 --> 00:56:54.880
a house with a dead woman inside of it that's

1015
00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:59.159
been murdered. Hopefully we can all agree on that. If not,

1016
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:02.440
please see your looco psychologists. Okay, But even with that,

1017
00:57:03.400 --> 00:57:06.000
why didn't he answer the phone when his mom was

1018
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.280
calling him over and over and over again looking for him?

1019
00:57:09.599 --> 00:57:12.719
And most people, when that question is posed, would say

1020
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:14.679
because he was involved with something to do with the

1021
00:57:14.679 --> 00:57:16.559
woman on the couch and he didn't want to be

1022
00:57:16.639 --> 00:57:23.400
caught or he's crazy. So with that in mind, there's

1023
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:26.320
no empirical data, okay that I can reference as to

1024
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.719
how often suspects feign that they don't remember. Okay, but

1025
00:57:30.800 --> 00:57:35.000
detectives around the world would likely support my notion that

1026
00:57:35.719 --> 00:57:41.760
it's common. Okay, not remembering limits what all the suspect

1027
00:57:41.840 --> 00:57:44.000
has to say, and it also keeps them from getting

1028
00:57:44.039 --> 00:57:46.440
caught up in their own lies. So it's very effective

1029
00:57:46.480 --> 00:57:49.519
tool in the tool chest of a suspect. So I

1030
00:57:49.559 --> 00:57:51.480
wanted to give you a real case scenario, real quick.

1031
00:57:51.519 --> 00:57:54.800
Let's sidestep. There was a twenty nine year old man

1032
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.360
that unexpectedly appeared at the house of his parents. He

1033
00:57:58.480 --> 00:58:01.880
was covered in blood. His father asked him if something

1034
00:58:01.920 --> 00:58:05.320
happened to his girlfriend. The guy's name was Randy. He nodded,

1035
00:58:05.639 --> 00:58:07.880
and so his father called nine to one one. The

1036
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.760
police rushed over to Randy's apartment and there they found

1037
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.199
his girlfriend lying on the floor in a pool of blood,

1038
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:15.679
and she had been stabbed to death. Now, Randy was

1039
00:58:15.760 --> 00:58:18.280
arrested and he was taken to the police station. During

1040
00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:21.000
his interrogation, he told the police that he had no

1041
00:58:21.159 --> 00:58:25.360
memory of this fatal incident whatsoever. Well, after it was

1042
00:58:25.360 --> 00:58:28.639
all said and done, and testing and etc. Was completed,

1043
00:58:29.079 --> 00:58:33.400
it was very it was decided, I guess or the

1044
00:58:33.639 --> 00:58:37.400
decision was made that he was feigning amnesia. And by

1045
00:58:37.440 --> 00:58:39.000
the way, when it was all said done, that guy

1046
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.679
was convicted of all counts of everything. The reason I

1047
00:58:42.679 --> 00:58:44.719
bring up this random story to tell you is because

1048
00:58:44.760 --> 00:58:48.599
that's just one of a number of other cases that

1049
00:58:48.960 --> 00:58:53.920
represent a legitimate percentage of people who are accused or

1050
00:58:53.960 --> 00:58:58.960
believed to have committed a violent crime and they claim amnesia. So,

1051
00:58:59.079 --> 00:59:03.079
considering that this happened, often police are going to be

1052
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.920
skeptical of vagueness. And when someone says that they don't

1053
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:10.880
know what's going on, well, Detective Dalton was no doubt

1054
00:59:10.880 --> 00:59:14.719
trying to understand not only what was going on, but

1055
00:59:14.880 --> 00:59:18.239
why Ryan wasn't telling the truth, even about basic things.

1056
00:59:18.280 --> 00:59:21.920
His girlfriend was dead. This isn't a game, and Detective

1057
00:59:22.000 --> 00:59:26.159
Dalton had the obligation of finding answers for who took

1058
00:59:26.199 --> 00:59:29.440
her life. He owed it to her parents. He owed

1059
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:31.280
it to her family and her friends to get to

1060
00:59:31.320 --> 00:59:34.559
the bottom of what happened to their daughter. Heather was

1061
00:59:34.639 --> 00:59:40.039
in the morgue right now, so obviously no one could

1062
00:59:40.079 --> 00:59:42.880
ever bring her back, but knowing what happened to her

1063
00:59:42.920 --> 00:59:44.880
would at least bring a sense of understanding to a

1064
00:59:44.920 --> 00:59:48.559
family that was in complete mourning at this moment because

1065
00:59:48.559 --> 00:59:51.920
their baby girl was no more. They knew that she

1066
00:59:51.960 --> 00:59:54.199
had taken a bullet to her head. By this point,

1067
00:59:54.480 --> 00:59:57.239
she had no known enemies. She was a loving and

1068
00:59:57.320 --> 01:00:00.199
very kind person, yet someone had made the decision to

1069
01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:03.239
put a gun to her head and pull the trigger,

1070
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:07.000
ending her life. Her future was stripped from her, her

1071
01:00:07.039 --> 01:00:10.920
plans for college decimated, and now no one was clear

1072
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:13.360
on what had happened. Aside from the fact that she

1073
01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:15.960
was dead and there were two other people in the house,

1074
01:00:17.119 --> 01:00:21.679
the scene wasn't clear cut and the questioning of potential

1075
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:25.000
suspects at this point was not going anywhere. When a

1076
01:00:25.039 --> 01:00:30.039
crime scene like this one is often taped off, you know,

1077
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:33.679
it's released probably within a day or so. This one

1078
01:00:33.840 --> 01:00:38.000
was so was worked so long. They actually kept this

1079
01:00:38.199 --> 01:00:41.559
house under police control for two full days, trying to

1080
01:00:41.599 --> 01:00:44.639
make this make sense. It wasn't quite the norm, but

1081
01:00:44.679 --> 01:00:48.559
they didn't want to leave anything unturned. Now, backing up

1082
01:00:48.599 --> 01:00:51.880
for a second, when CSI had arrived and they began

1083
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:56.400
photographing the home and documenting any evidence or potential thereof,

1084
01:00:57.119 --> 01:01:00.320
there did seem to be a disturbance of soul worts

1085
01:01:00.719 --> 01:01:06.679
on a back sliding glass door, and Heather's death obviously

1086
01:01:06.840 --> 01:01:10.559
was preliminarily documented with this gunshot wound to the head. Okay,

1087
01:01:10.559 --> 01:01:13.760
But other than this, there wasn't much else going on.

1088
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:17.079
But there was the bloody bucket, but nothing kind of

1089
01:01:17.119 --> 01:01:20.760
was piecing together. So in terms of lack of evidence,

1090
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:24.280
it seemed likely more likely than not that there had

1091
01:01:24.320 --> 01:01:26.719
been a domestic violence situation. It became physical and it

1092
01:01:27.480 --> 01:01:30.639
ultimately led to Heather being shot and killed in the home.

1093
01:01:31.039 --> 01:01:33.960
So the questions kind of like, was Ryan now having

1094
01:01:34.159 --> 01:01:37.480
an emotional meltdown or was he lying or what the

1095
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.079
hell was going on? It just was not crystal clear.

1096
01:01:40.480 --> 01:01:44.239
In the moment, Ryan was telling police that the incident

1097
01:01:44.280 --> 01:01:48.400
took place at one am, but Alicia said that she

1098
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:52.480
had gotten home between nine thirty and ten pm. She

1099
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:55.960
certainly would have heard gunshots going off in the house

1100
01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.119
even with her TV playing, but she was very clear

1101
01:01:59.440 --> 01:02:04.639
she heard and she never saw Heather. So the questioning

1102
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:09.000
continues back in the room with Ryan and Detective Dalton

1103
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.480
backs up to try and make a timeline, where Ryan

1104
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:17.440
then says, well, people came over last night, and he goes,

1105
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:19.599
what do you mean because he hadn't mentioned this before

1106
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:21.840
yet to this point, and he said it was Richie

1107
01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:26.920
and his dad. Okay, well who is Richie? And Ryan's

1108
01:02:26.960 --> 01:02:29.559
response is that he doesn't know. So the cop is like,

1109
01:02:29.599 --> 01:02:32.679
what the fuck man you brought Richie up? You said

1110
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:35.679
his name. He didn't say that to Ryan, but it's

1111
01:02:35.719 --> 01:02:37.360
kind of like the feeling like what do you mean

1112
01:02:37.400 --> 01:02:42.360
you don't know? But Ryan then jumps into asking the detective, Hey,

1113
01:02:42.400 --> 01:02:47.559
you know about blowing darts and Detective Dalton kind of

1114
01:02:47.599 --> 01:02:50.199
nods hesitantly, like yeah, I know what blowing darts are,

1115
01:02:50.960 --> 01:02:54.320
and Ryan says Richie and his dad came over with

1116
01:02:54.400 --> 01:02:58.039
shooting arrows and blowing darts, and he says Richie used

1117
01:02:58.079 --> 01:03:03.480
to live there, but according to Alicia, no one else

1118
01:03:03.519 --> 01:03:07.119
lived at that house. It was just her and Ryan.

1119
01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:11.599
So Ryan is claiming that they came over wanting their

1120
01:03:11.679 --> 01:03:16.079
stuff back, and that Richie and his dad both had revolvers. Okay, well,

1121
01:03:16.199 --> 01:03:19.880
confusion and calling bullshit would have been totally warranted here

1122
01:03:19.880 --> 01:03:23.599
at this point, but Detective Dalton really just says, wait

1123
01:03:23.639 --> 01:03:26.239
a minute, wait, wait, wait, So now they have revolvers

1124
01:03:26.320 --> 01:03:30.599
and not arrows, and Ryan gets real animated, raises his

1125
01:03:30.679 --> 01:03:34.840
voice and says, they shot us, they shot us. So,

1126
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:39.280
in all the time to this point, Ryan has never

1127
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:44.840
said to anyone that someone had shot him or shot Heather.

1128
01:03:46.079 --> 01:03:50.519
Not when he was back at the house, not whenever

1129
01:03:50.599 --> 01:03:53.400
Heather was being checked by the fire department, not in

1130
01:03:53.480 --> 01:03:57.199
the cop car, not ever up until this moment did

1131
01:03:57.199 --> 01:04:00.599
he claim this. And so Detective Dalton had this point,

1132
01:04:00.719 --> 01:04:03.280
is kind of shaking his head back and forth, and

1133
01:04:03.360 --> 01:04:05.320
he's looking down at his notes, and you can tell

1134
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.679
that he is totally mind blown about everything that has

1135
01:04:08.760 --> 01:04:11.639
just been said so far, and he looks up at

1136
01:04:11.679 --> 01:04:13.400
him with his head shaken and says, why don't you

1137
01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:16.639
tell me what really happened? Ryan? And Ryan says, I

1138
01:04:16.639 --> 01:04:19.400
don't know, man, And he said Richie and his dad

1139
01:04:19.440 --> 01:04:21.639
put me in a sleeping hold and I lived through that.

1140
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:27.320
Shitt Detective eyebrows go, what what does that mean? Ryan said,

1141
01:04:27.320 --> 01:04:31.360
I don't know. So the exchange continues, and here is

1142
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:37.199
where an important thing happens. Ryan at this point alleges

1143
01:04:37.679 --> 01:04:41.440
that he was shot in the face, and that is

1144
01:04:41.639 --> 01:04:44.119
directly addressed to Ryan.

1145
01:04:44.440 --> 01:04:48.679
Okay, you're telling me. You're all over the board here

1146
01:04:48.679 --> 01:04:50.079
at number one.

1147
01:04:50.440 --> 01:04:53.360
You're seeing bows and arrows, you're seeing revolvers, and you're

1148
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:54.239
saying some olar.

1149
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:59.119
Thing and you're saying, they shot you in the eye. Okay,

1150
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.800
they shot you with a revolver in your eye, yes,

1151
01:05:03.599 --> 01:05:06.920
and that is it a BB gun? No, it was

1152
01:05:06.920 --> 01:05:09.000
a real gun, man, It was just a rev.

1153
01:05:09.599 --> 01:05:14.519
You in the eye with a revolver. You want to

1154
01:05:14.559 --> 01:05:17.159
be talking to me right now. How do you know

1155
01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.360
it was most likely you be dead? That's what I

1156
01:05:20.400 --> 01:05:21.119
thought too, Man.

1157
01:05:21.159 --> 01:05:22.000
I really don't know.

1158
01:05:23.400 --> 01:05:26.960
Okay, I really don't know, and I just want to

1159
01:05:26.960 --> 01:05:28.840
go back to sleep and try to go back to that.

1160
01:05:29.480 --> 01:05:30.960
You're not going back to that.

1161
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.079
Okay, all right, so there's another portion of it, and

1162
01:05:35.239 --> 01:05:38.719
Detective Dalton is like, okay, man, you're all over the

1163
01:05:38.760 --> 01:05:41.119
place now with these two guys that you say shot

1164
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.679
you in the eye with a revolver. He says, was

1165
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:48.320
it a BB gun? And this question matters when he

1166
01:05:48.320 --> 01:05:51.039
says was it a BB gun? And the reason Detective

1167
01:05:51.119 --> 01:05:55.239
Dalton asks this is because it was not believable to

1168
01:05:55.320 --> 01:05:59.320
be walking around and talking if you had taken a

1169
01:05:59.360 --> 01:06:03.960
bullet through the eye and into the brain. Heather Kwan,

1170
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.840
by the way, was tangible proof of this because she's

1171
01:06:07.920 --> 01:06:11.280
dead in the more of the gunshot wound into the brain.

1172
01:06:12.119 --> 01:06:15.000
What's more, I want to say this the American Associate

1173
01:06:15.320 --> 01:06:20.360
Association of Neurological Surgeons, they report that trauma resulting from

1174
01:06:20.440 --> 01:06:26.119
gunshot headwounds are believed to be ninety percent fatal, and

1175
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.679
of the ones that do make it to the hospital,

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01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:34.039
less than half of those that make it to the

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01:06:34.079 --> 01:06:37.920
hospital alive end up surviving. The probability of being shot

1178
01:06:37.920 --> 01:06:44.199
in the face and surviving it like that is astronomically low.

1179
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:50.679
But that said, Detective Dalton decides to entertain it anyway,

1180
01:06:50.760 --> 01:06:54.599
even though the probability was nil. So Ryan continues his

1181
01:06:54.679 --> 01:06:56.719
story and basically he now claims he was shot in

1182
01:06:56.760 --> 01:06:59.719
the face around two am. But again, that didn't make

1183
01:06:59.760 --> 01:07:02.280
sense because Alicia was there, she would have heard it.

1184
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:04.880
And he goes in circles in his story saying he

1185
01:07:04.960 --> 01:07:08.719
was shot in the face and then Heather, at which

1186
01:07:08.760 --> 01:07:12.079
point he adds that the person who shot Heather was

1187
01:07:12.159 --> 01:07:19.719
Heather's dad, So that said, Okay, even if that was true,

1188
01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:22.360
why did you not call for help and leave her

1189
01:07:22.400 --> 01:07:25.920
there on the couch if you know that she was shot?

1190
01:07:26.159 --> 01:07:28.280
And Ryan's answer is because he was letting her sleep,

1191
01:07:29.360 --> 01:07:32.440
He got up, he went to bed after they were

1192
01:07:32.440 --> 01:07:35.280
both shot in the face. Please tell me that if

1193
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:37.639
you were being reasonable. Right now, you're scratching your head

1194
01:07:37.679 --> 01:07:42.559
at all of this because it doesn't make sense. When

1195
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:46.519
Detective Dalton directly asks him, did you shoot Heather? He says, no,

1196
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:50.719
I swear it was her brother. And that's when you

1197
01:07:50.800 --> 01:07:54.840
visibly see Detective Dalton's shoulders just dropping, almost like a

1198
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:58.159
give up, like what in the world. He looks down

1199
01:07:58.159 --> 01:08:00.639
at his notebook, he shakes his head, and then he

1200
01:08:00.679 --> 01:08:03.280
looks back at Ryan and he tells, Ryan, puts your

1201
01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.880
feet down and he's looking at him, and he says,

1202
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:09.280
let me see, and he leans in really really close.

1203
01:08:09.599 --> 01:08:12.320
He places his right hand, just using his fingertips, on

1204
01:08:12.360 --> 01:08:15.079
the top of Ryan's head and he slowly rotates its

1205
01:08:15.119 --> 01:08:18.199
side to side, looking very close. As he does this,

1206
01:08:18.279 --> 01:08:21.960
Ryan goes out. My head hurts, and at that exact moment,

1207
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:27.479
you see Detective Dalton's body very quickly almost jolt, as

1208
01:08:27.520 --> 01:08:30.720
if he saw something that totally caught him off guard,

1209
01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.199
and he leans in closer. He looks intensely at Ryan's face,

1210
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:38.479
and then he says, okay, wait right here, at which

1211
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.880
point he goes out. And what he does is he

1212
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:44.760
calls for the first responders at the fire department to

1213
01:08:44.840 --> 01:08:48.760
come to the station to check him out. That's the

1214
01:08:48.840 --> 01:08:51.600
end of the interview. And I'd like to point out

1215
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:57.840
from introductions to end of interview, Detective Dalton spoke to

1216
01:08:57.960 --> 01:09:02.319
Ryan a total of twenty four four minutes and six seconds.

1217
01:09:02.560 --> 01:09:05.119
Hang on to that information. Trust that I'm telling you

1218
01:09:05.119 --> 01:09:08.279
that for a reason. The fire department arrived within nine

1219
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:10.800
minutes of him making the call. They came into the room,

1220
01:09:10.840 --> 01:09:14.319
but they're led by Detective Waller. There's three firefighters that

1221
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:16.840
come in while Ryan is still seated at the table,

1222
01:09:17.479 --> 01:09:20.880
and their conversation was very interesting to me as Detective

1223
01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:24.439
Dalton is walking back in with these firefighters because it

1224
01:09:24.479 --> 01:09:26.760
picks up what they're saying, and he's going, you're not

1225
01:09:26.800 --> 01:09:29.680
going to believe this because I can't. And he stands

1226
01:09:29.720 --> 01:09:33.039
by Ryan and he says, it's just my observation, and

1227
01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:35.520
he points with his finger at Ryan's nose and he says,

1228
01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:38.920
this might be an entrance wound, and this might be

1229
01:09:38.960 --> 01:09:42.800
an exit wound. And then like he's like showing through

1230
01:09:42.840 --> 01:09:45.840
the nose and then he says then like going up

1231
01:09:45.840 --> 01:09:50.000
and maybe into the eye. It's just this isn't making

1232
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:53.279
sense what's happening. But he really could have a head injury.

1233
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:56.000
So the firefighters like what they go and they take

1234
01:09:56.039 --> 01:09:57.600
a look and they look at his nose and they go, well,

1235
01:09:57.640 --> 01:09:59.600
I guess it could be a through and through. Their

1236
01:09:59.640 --> 01:10:03.159
focus on his nose, so the firefighters take over. At

1237
01:10:03.199 --> 01:10:09.119
that point, Dalton exits. Ryan asks or the firefighters ask Ryan,

1238
01:10:09.159 --> 01:10:11.600
hey man, do you know what's going on? And Ryan says,

1239
01:10:11.640 --> 01:10:13.760
I think I may have been shot. I don't know.

1240
01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.319
They take his blood pressure. It's one hundred and twenty four.

1241
01:10:16.359 --> 01:10:20.840
Over eighty and then he walks out to the ambulance

1242
01:10:21.159 --> 01:10:24.479
where they then take him to the hospital, where doctors

1243
01:10:24.520 --> 01:10:29.199
would report that, look, he's not crazy, he's confused, but

1244
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:32.640
the confusion wasn't about what happened to him, it was

1245
01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:37.760
because of what had happened to him. Police confirmed Ryan

1246
01:10:37.880 --> 01:10:42.079
Waller had absolutely been shot in the face with a

1247
01:10:42.199 --> 01:10:45.199
gun and it was not believed to be self inflicted.

1248
01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:50.119
While he was originally suspected of possibly killing Heather, it

1249
01:10:50.279 --> 01:10:54.119
was now the case that he was actually a surviving victim,

1250
01:10:54.520 --> 01:11:00.000
Beating all of the odds. Ryan Waller was walking tall

1251
01:11:00.640 --> 01:11:05.560
and answering questions with a bullet in his brain. The

1252
01:11:05.640 --> 01:11:10.600
doctors were shocked, the officers were obviously in disbelief that

1253
01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:13.399
this was even real, that this could even happen, And

1254
01:11:13.479 --> 01:11:19.199
now an investigation that will result in false accusations, finger pointing,

1255
01:11:19.279 --> 01:11:24.399
and misplaced trust would be blown wide open. Yes, this

1256
01:11:24.479 --> 01:11:26.920
will take a part too, And even if you know

1257
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:32.600
this case, trust me when I say you don't. I

1258
01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:35.800
have dedicated the better part of the last two months

1259
01:11:35.960 --> 01:11:39.920
straight researching this case top to bottom, and you will

1260
01:11:39.960 --> 01:11:43.760
not want to miss the uncomfortable truth bombs that I

1261
01:11:43.800 --> 01:11:47.159
will be dropping next week, and I want to say this,

1262
01:11:47.960 --> 01:11:51.119
if you're easily offended and you don't like the truth,

1263
01:11:51.479 --> 01:11:53.479
then i'm gonna suggest you go ahead and get you

1264
01:11:53.520 --> 01:11:57.039
a helmet one, because next Wednesday, y'all, it's all going

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01:11:57.159 --> 01:11:57.399
down