Nov. 11, 2025

Cold and Calculated| The Murder of Kristin Loesch

Cold and Calculated| The Murder of Kristin Loesch

KJ explores the torture and murder of Kristin Loesch in Houston, TX and the hunt to find the killer. Chapters 04:23 A Texas Love Story 09:32 The Morning of Horror 11:17 The Investigation Begins 13:17 Bobby's Alibi Under Scrutiny 19:59 Tragic Details...

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Season 9

KJ explores the torture and murder of Kristin Loesch in Houston, TX and the hunt to find the killer.

Chapters
04:23 A Texas Love Story
09:32 The Morning of Horror
11:17 The Investigation Begins
13:17 Bobby's Alibi Under Scrutiny
19:59 Tragic Details of Kristin’s Death
25:22 The Suspect Emerges
31:27 The DNA Match
33:53 Travis Green's Trial
36:29 Appeals and Mental Health
40:03 The Baton Rouge Killings
48:06 The Tragic Shooting
55:03 A Cold Case for Years
59:02 Breakthrough

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I've got some shout outs to give, so hang in there.

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If you're from Texas, Arizona, Oregon, I'm coming your way,

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even Alabama. So let's start in Texas. And I've got

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Keegan Langham from Pearland, Texas. How are you doing. I'm

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waving at you on the camera I'm so stoked to

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have you and it's gonna be a It's gonna be

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a great episode. I hope you enjoy this one with

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your official shout out in Arizona, Christopher Davis, what is up?

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You are in Tucson, Arizona? How are things going in

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your neck of the woods. I'm so thankful for you, Christopher.

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And then if this is not the ultimate compliment, I

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don't know what is. But Kim Loga, Kim is actually

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a friend of mine and a friend wanting to support

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you financially is something that is just so touching to me.

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So Kim, thank you. You know you're my girl. What

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about des Moines, Iowa? Because Ashley Heathershaw is in Des

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Moines and I've never been there. You're gonna have to

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send me some messages, some pictures show me what it's

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like there. But I'm waving at you on the camera

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as well. Cleveland, Texas, Miss Angela Golf? What is going

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on with you? I had a friend with the last

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name Golf, but I don't think he was from Texas,

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but that might be your cousin girl. How are you

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doing Angela? Then Portland, Oregon, Emily, Now I don't know

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if this is Rudell or Ruddle, so I'm gonna say

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it both, Emily Ruddle or Emily Rudell. How are you doing? Emily?

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You have the sweetest name, though, I think that's precious.

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And then in my neck of the woods, right here

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Greenwell Springs, Louisiana, I've got miss Pam Myers, Hey, Pam,

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how's it going? And then Denim Springs, literally right outside

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the door where I'm recording, I've got Andy Ivy. Hi? Andy?

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Are we friends? Do we know each other in real life?

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We might? I don't know, maybe not, but if not,

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we're friends now. And then last, but certainly not least,

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I'm going to Alexander say the Alabama with Tiffany Bishop. Hi, Tiffany,

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how's it going in Alabama? We actually are gonna play

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all this weekend that I'm recording this, so you're probably

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gonna stomp our ass, but we'll see go Tigers. All right? Well, Hey,

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I'm thankful for all my new friends. I know I

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have a ton more shout outs to give. I'll get

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to y'all next week, but for now, we're gonna head

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in this episode to Texas. So I feel like I'm

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always in Texas, but this is gonna be We're gonna

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roll it back for a little bit because I want

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to take you back to the mid nineties and there

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were two teams that were instantly inseparable when they met

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in high school. And whether it was puppy love or

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something more that was yet to be seen, but Kristin

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Loch and Robert Stewart, this relationship was the real deal. Now.

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Wherever one went, so did the other and attached at

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the hip. That is an absolute understatement. These two were

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were tight, tight, tight, And for all of her personality traits,

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if anything was to be said, it's just that she

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was such a good person in every sense of the word.

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Her openness and her honesty, those are the things that

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really made people comfortable with being around her. And that's

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probably what her sweet boyfriend was drawn to. Originally, she

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had no agenda, she had no need to feel like

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she needed to have influence over others. But her ability

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to make other people feel welcome and that they could

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just share things with her, that is such a gift.

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I have a friend just like that. I've spoken on

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her before, names Krisha, but you just feel so drawn

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to her and that it's a judgment free zone, and

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that even if you're wrong, she'll call you out on it,

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but in the most loving way. And that's the best

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kind of friend if you are that type of person.

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By the way, here's a hug for me to you,

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from me to you, because you're so needed, you know.

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But trustworthy those are the other words that you know

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every day. Those are just everyday words, I guess, but

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they mean everything to a person whenever they are needing

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to share their heart. And trustworthy is what people instantly

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thought of to describe Kristin. And you know from just

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this little bit what type of girl she is. I

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hope I'm imparting that upon you. So the two, these

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two little love birds, they would graduate high school together

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and Kristin would then be college bound, and she was

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not interested in going to a large university, but she

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rather appreciated the small feel of a community college that

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was going to be more her speed, and so she

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settled on one right in the heart of Houston. So

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by nineteen ninety nine, she was now nineteen years old

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and she was your average college kid, but one big

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change had recently taken place. She and Bobby, now his

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name was Robert, okay, but Bobby was his nickname, and

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so we'll go by that. But she and Bobby decided

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that they were going to move in together, and this

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was a big deal for them. They couldn't be more excited.

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They now had their very first apartment together. And after

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they got all settled in, next came exactly what you expect.

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And no, it's not a baby, So you can just

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stop right now because I know that's where you went. No,

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they weren't married yet, okay, but a party. A party

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is what was going to come next. Hell, yeah, they

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were excited. They wanted people to come see their new

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little home. And so it was September one, nineteen ninety nine,

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when this couple decided to get together and throw a

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party with some of their friends. And they had an

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absolute blast at this party, and it was one of

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many that would hopefully be held at their home. They

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liked hosting these and so for they had future plans.

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We're going to do this again. This is great. They

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loved it and life was just so good for the couple.

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But the party came to an end and their friends

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all began to leave. You know it, It was a

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good time. Everybody's like, hey, gotta go whatever. But a

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few people in the apartment complex. Remember these are young people,

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and so they're kind of willing to frighten eye with

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people that live amongst them. And there was a few

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other people in the complex that were friendly, and so

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the couple struck up conversations with these people, as young

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people do. They were all chatting it up, and then

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later in the evening, before the couple would turn in

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for the night, they actually would spend a lot of

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time with some of these newfound friends in the complex.

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So after they spent that time and it got late,

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they go inside and Bobby plopped down on the couch

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and decided that he wanted to watch some TV while

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Kristin went to go do her girly thing and get

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ready for bed. So when she was done, she climbed

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into their bed and she fell asleep before Bobby ever

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came back into the bedroom. Now, truth be told, Bobby

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had fallen asleep on the couch in the other room

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and he wasn't getting up. He was out like a

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light a guy. He was done. He was going to

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be sleeping on the couch, and everyone who was anyone

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that knew them knew that once Bobby's eyes closed, that

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dude was down for the night. You were not getting

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him back up, and he was cutting some major z's

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at this point. He was out. So the next morning,

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Bobby and Kristin slept in and Bobby would get up

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at about eleven am and slowly kind of stretch and

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make his way off the couch, and Kristin must have

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been sleeping in because she wasn't up yet and milling

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around and doing whatever in the apartment. So through tired eyes,

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Bobby got up and he kind of shuffled his way

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back towards their room, and when he turned, he stopped

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dead in his tracks because when he looked, he was

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stunned to see Kristin was laid out on their bedroom floor.

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She was undressed, and she was not asleep, very clearly

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not asleep. She looked like she had been in a

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damn car wreck. She was beaten to absolute hell and back.

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She was bloody, and she was not moving. So Bobby,

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for a second, stun just stands there and he's looking around.

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He's alarmed, he's confused, you know, what the fuck is

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going on? What is wrong Kristin? Kristin and he runs

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over to her. My god, so he drops down and

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he's trying to wake her up, but she was well

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beyond any medical help that he could give. She was done, y'all.

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She had been just destroyed in this apartment. So Bobby

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gets up and he runs to get the phone to

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call for police, and they show up indeed to find

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Kristin's lifeless body dead on the apartment floor. So Bobby

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is now just stunned. He's speechless. I mean, can you

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imagine walking in on that and completely just taken, just

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completely taken aback what happened here. He was in complete

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shock that this was even real life, and he just

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kept thinking, this is not real, This is not real.

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I'm gonna wake up. This is not real. But it was.

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It was absolutely real. So the coroner would be called

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and Bobby would be removed from the home because the

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crime scene investigators had to process the scene. And after

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they did their job, her body was loaded onto a

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stretcher and it was rolled out of the apartment in

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front of everybody, and Bobby just had to watch the

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love of his life under a blanket be rolled to

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a van. But they had just had a party, they

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had just been celebrating all of the excitement of young

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newness and firsts and now she's in a corner's van.

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It can't be, but it was. So the obvious question

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on the minds of detectives was who all was in

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the house, and the answer was just us. It was

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just us two. There's nobody else here. We were going

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to bed. We went to bed. Nobody else was here. So,

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as you can imagine, when Bobby says this, eyebrows kind

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of raised, so you're saying it was just you too.

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And Bobby swore up and down he didn't know what happened.

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She was fine when they went to bed, but now

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she was beaten to death. So okay, detectives are kind

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of mulling this over. Okay, your girlfriend is dead, clearly

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beaten brutally to death, and now the boyfriend is claiming

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that he heard nothing, he saw nothing, and Bobby is

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just saying, yes, I'm telling you, I'm telling you, I

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don't know what happened. So they asked him, well, what

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do you think happened. His answer was, I have no clue.

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Somebody killed her. I have no clue. I can't tell

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you anything. And you can imagine the frustration because it's

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it sounds crazy. Okay, So you're saying someone must have

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come in the middle of the night into your apartment

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and killed your girlfriend and then left without you hearing

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a thing. That's the story you're giving us right now.

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And he says, yes, So does this sound at all

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ridiculous to anybody else, because the detectives certainly thought it

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sounded plumb ridiculous. That doesn't make any sense. So it

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seems like the worst lie of all time is being told,

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and it's really really hard to believe. So police would

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need a total recount of everything that they did the

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night before. You got to lay it out for us, Bobby.

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You got to lay it out, minute by minute what

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happened here, because this is something that we're really having

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a hard time wrapping our brains around. So Bobby said, Look,

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we were together all day. We had planned to have

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this party at the apartment. People came, people left. After

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they left, we went to bed. I fell asleep on

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the couch. Kristen fell asleep in the bed. I woke

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up to this. Did anyone get in a fight during

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the party.

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No?

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Did you and Kristen maybe have a disagreement at any

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point in that night. No, Okay, have there been any

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jealousy issues or anything of that nature. And he's like no,

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and they're like, okay, but you're sleeping on the couch

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and she's in the bed, So why why were you

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on the couch? You sure there weren't any problems? And

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he says no, Well why wouldn't y'all go to sleep together? Then?

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And his answers really, no matter how they asked the questions,

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the answers were really because that's just the way it went.

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That's just what happened. I mean, I can't I don't

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have a reason. I laid down on the couch, I

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fell asleep. She went to bed, like, there's nothing more

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to it. So this really wasn't helping much. All right, Well,

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they move on. Were there any strangers at the party

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or anyone that you didn't know that was there? And

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this is when Bobby explained, No, the party was great.

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Everything was fine. After the party. We did hang out

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a bit with some new people around the apartment complex.

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But other than this, I mean, it was just casual talking.

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There was no craziness to it, and we didn't leave,

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we didn't go clubbing. We didn't go do anything. We

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stayed at the apartment. All right, we'll talk to us

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about the people that you were hanging out with. He says, Well,

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one of the guys that we did meet at the

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apartment complex, his name was Travis. He was a super

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likable guy. I mean, I didn't know him before that night.

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We kind of met him, but we liked him a lot.

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I mean, we did continue to chat and hang out

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with him later in the night, compared to everybody else.

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And police say, oh, so there's a Travis guy. Yeah, yeah,

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there is. Okay, Well what's his last name? And Bobby says,

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I don't know Travis, a guy we met. Okay, Well,

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tell us more, and he says, but later that evening,

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Travis was ready to go home, and you know, we're

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nice people. So me and Kristen we offered, look, we'll

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give you a ride to your apartment, and he gladly

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accepted that ride, and we were just saving him a

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long walk. All right, we'll tell us about that then,

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So he says, Look, this guy lived in a completely

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different complex, but it was no big deal. He jumped

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in the car, we drove him there, he got out,

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we waved goodbye to our new friend. And you know,

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we thought, golly, what a nice guy. Maybe we hit

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the jackpot. We've made a good friend here. And while

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we drove we chatted. On our way back home, we

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chatted and said, gosh, you know, what a great party.

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It was just general talk. There was nothing out of

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the ordinary. But it was really really late by that point.

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So when we got back to the apartment, like I said,

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we went inside. I went to the couch, she went

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to bed, and then I woke up and she was dead.

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That's it. Well, based on the coroner's report of Kristen's condition,

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this seemed so unlikely that her murder went without anyone

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noticing or hearing. That is just bold of a statement

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to make, because Kristin had been viciously beaten. It wasn't

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like she got cracked over the head with a baseball

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bat knocked out. No, this was like, I don't want

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to say hand to hand combat, but this was a

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struggle for life or death and she lost. So there,

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she's viciously beaten. She had suffered blunt force trauma. And

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I want to tell you how serious this beating was. Okay,

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it was so brutal that her liver was literally torn.

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She had a rip in her liver. To tear a liver,

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just for your perspective, your seal know, it takes an

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extraordinary level of force to rip someone's liver. So usually

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this is seen as the result of something like a

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car crash or something with an extreme amount of exchanges

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of forces. You know, that mechanism of injury is usually

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very powerful. But that wasn't the case here because she

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wasn't in a car wreck. Her abdomen was full of blood.

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It filled basically as she bled internally while she was

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being beaten to death, and so her her stomach just

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filled with the blood internal bleeding while she was trying

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to fight, and she had over a leader of pulled

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blood in her stomach. But not only had she been

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brutalized at such force, but she had also been viciously

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raped a violent rape. Swabs had been taken, they did

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the rape test kit, and they were trying to get

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any possible DNA from her. But I want to point

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this out. If you live with someone and you're in

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a you know, a sexual relationship, DNA would have been expected, correct,

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I mean, if you're married, if someone did a vaginal

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swab of you, you would expect that the spouse would be

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the person whose DNA you would find, so that wouldn't

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have necessarily been shocking. But regardless, the vaginal swabs were taken,

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nail clippings were taken, which is standard practice, and her

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life would be ultimately ended by the literal hands of

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her killer because she was strangled to death. The bruising

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around her neck proof that hands were put around her neck,

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her airway constricted, and that the life was literally choked

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out of this girl. So this was a rage filled

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event too, because it left hemorrhaging within her neck and

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one of her neck bones was actually broken in the process.

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Usually that's your hyoid bone that you'll see that's broken

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during a strangulation, but she had a broken neck bone. Okay,

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so you can tell that this was insane amount of

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force put on her. But while the strangulation was what

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ultimately or what killed her immediately, the coroner's report was

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very clear that she would have certainly eventually died as

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a result of the trauma to her body and especially

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her stomach filling with that blood if she did not

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get immediate medical care. And even with immediate medical care,

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it would have been it probably would have been life ending.

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Not wanting to get tunnel vision and only focused on

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the obvious, detectives did canvass the area and look for

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any possible suspects that may have been, you know, around,

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and this included that supposed travisman that Bobby claimed to

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have given a ride to. The thing is, Bobby could

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give details about what this man looked like, and he

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was able to give specifics about where he dropped this

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Travis guy off. So police played along and they gathered

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all of the information that Bobby would give. In the meantime,

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words spread about the murder and people were really taken

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a backt that that that Kristen had been the victim

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of a murder. She just was not a person you

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expected this from. And I hate to say that, but

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she didn't live high risk lifestyle. She didn't partake in

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in you know, thugging it, loving it or anything like that.

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So this was just mind blowing. And certainly all people

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who knew them said, there's no way Bobby did this,

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no way. They were too in love for that. It

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was this cannot be Everybody agreed that that couldn't be

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the case, and people who knew him when they were

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people who really knew them. Okay, the couple when they

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were questioned, they all vouched for Bobby on one thing.

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Bobby was a notoriously heavy sleeper, and nothing other than

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a briggin bomb dropping would wake this dude up. It

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was actually almost kind of like a running joke almost

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amongst friends and family that you can't wake Bobby up

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he is sleeping. So police really sat back on this

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information because when everybody's vouching that you're a heavy sleeper, hmm,

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there might actually be something to this. Maybe it was possible.

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Maybe it was I mean crazier things, and maybe he

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did sleep through the brutal murder and rape of his

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girlfriend just a room over. You know, I don't know.

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And a detective's job is to look at everything. A

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good detective tunnel vision's never a good thing. So what

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did this Travis guy look like? Well, Bobby's description of

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him was that he was a blackmail. He believed him

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to be in his late twenties to early thirties. He

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was tall, He was somewhere around six' one six y

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two and about two hundred. Pounds that was his best.

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Guess But that's when a neighbor came. Forward and this

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neighbor had some. Information AND i KNOW i say this a,

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lot but never discount your neighbors because they know more

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than you ever would. Think but assess yourself right, now

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just as a, listener real, quick assess. Yourself think about

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where you. Live can how much could you tell me

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about the people that live around. YOU i can tell

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you where they, WORK i can tell you what they,

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DRIVE i can tell you what time they typically come.

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HOME i can even tell you what they do On saturday.

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Mornings because we're creatures of habit and you're just used

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to seeing the things that go. On, well this, neighbor

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even though the couple had just moved, in this neighbor

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was paying attention and had been up late that night

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that same night as the. Party and this neighbor was

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outside late late late the very night That kristin was,

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murdered and as, such she was casually just. OUTSIDE i

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don't know if she was catching a cigarette or. Not,

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whatever she was outside and she saw someone go into

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the apartment Of kristen And, bobby and this neighbor was

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clear that it was Not kristin Or. Bobby, huh and

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the time that this neighbor said she saw someone go

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in it actually aligned with the belief time of When

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kristin would have been. Murdered but that doesn't mean that

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this someone wasn't. Necessary this person could have been in

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cahoots With bobby and possibly giving a cover. Story right this.

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Neighbor we don't know the. Relationship, hell maybe the neighbor

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was having an affair With. BOBBY i, mean anything at

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this point is open for trying to figure it out,

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out but it had to be. Considered the neighbor said

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it with no prompting that they that she saw somebody

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and then they, said, okay well can you describe this

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person to? Us and the neighbor's description was almost spot

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on With bobby's identical other than the neighbor added that

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the person who win had on a baseball. Cap so

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investigating people of that complex That travis was brought to that,

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night so the one that was supposedly they drove to

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and dropped this guy, off investigators did find that a

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man was there or lived, there and his name Was Travis.

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Green looking At Travis, green he also fit the description

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given by Both bobby and that neighbor but let's just

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be completely honest. Here the description that they gave wasn't

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something like completely unique in what they, SAID i mean

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a black mail two hundred, pounds six foot. ONE i,

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mean go walk in a store, today you'll see. That

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so they wanted to be, sure so that you, know

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that's why they were the detectives were checking in on.

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This BUT i, mean what dumb luck to be Named

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travis and live in the apartment complex where supposedly they

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dropped off a. Guy So, travis this real. Guy he

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wasn't exactly the most successful person in the. Community he

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was not, educated he had dropped out of high school

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in the tenth. Grade he did not maintain steady. Employment,

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now he was originally From, Shreveport, louisiana and he has

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the typical story of an impoverished childhood full of family,

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dysfunction and it just led to a basic failure to

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launch situation for an. Adult they never really went. Anywhere

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So travis's criminal history was also checked because they wanted

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to see this guy, problematic because just because you're uneducated

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and you don't have a great job doesn't mean that

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you're a. Criminal but this guy. Was he did have

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a criminal, record and his record when they reviewed it

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wasn't really something that seemed like a person That kristen

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And bobby would have hung. Around, okay because this guy

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had actually done legit prison time, before not a little

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county jail we don't even have county, parish not a

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little jail, time prison. Time you. Know he had been

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given a five year sentence In Harris, county which is another,

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state for unauthorized use of a motor vehicle and theft by.

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Receiving so, basically he took somebody's car without their, permission

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and he kept it longer than he was supposed. To

456
00:26:38.400 --> 00:26:41.319
and during that he also was in possession of stolen,

457
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:45.319
items and those stolen items he should have known were

458
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:49.640
stolen when he bought them from someone else or whenever

459
00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.599
he was giving them to someone. Else that's basically what

460
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:52.160
those charges.

461
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:52.359
Mean.

462
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:56.160
Okay but he had been released early on parole from

463
00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.519
prison In november of nineteen eighty, nine but few years,

464
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:04.799
later In march of nineteen ninety, three his parole had

465
00:27:04.799 --> 00:27:09.279
been revoked because he earned himself and aggravated assault charge

466
00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:15.000
and that landed him a seven year. Sentence again he made.

467
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:17.799
Parole this would have been In may of nineteen ninety,

468
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:21.119
eight so he was released early and he would remain

469
00:27:21.160 --> 00:27:25.400
on parole monitoring Until may of nineteen ninety, nine when

470
00:27:25.400 --> 00:27:29.799
he completed his parole. Requirements, well i'll tell you, This

471
00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:32.920
i'm not a fan of that. Personally so many chances

472
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:35.759
were given to this guy and he continued to, reoffend

473
00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.440
yet he continued to make. PAROLE i just irrelevant of this.

474
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.160
CASE i don't like. That that's. Stupid you, know they

475
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:46.799
don't obviously. Learn but just because he had been given

476
00:27:46.880 --> 00:27:49.839
multiple chances and acted like an, idiot that didn't mean

477
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:53.359
that he necessarily did anything To. Kristen he could just

478
00:27:53.359 --> 00:27:55.599
be an unlucky match to a name and a general.

479
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:59.680
Description SO i want to point something else out, though

480
00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:04.960
and investigators considered. This he had only been out released

481
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:10.680
off of parole for four months When Kristin losch was.

482
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.839
Murdered you, know what are the chances you've only been

483
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.240
out and not monitored for four months and then you're

484
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:24.519
already being possibly implicated in a girl's. Murder whatever the case.

485
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:27.960
Is you don't make good, decisions and the parole board

486
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:31.359
shame on them on this. One shame on. Them but

487
00:28:31.480 --> 00:28:35.519
either way so the police were, curious why would these

488
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.319
two people have even crossed paths with this? Guy they don't,

489
00:28:39.440 --> 00:28:43.839
Jive so upon further, questioning it started to make sense

490
00:28:44.559 --> 00:28:49.160
that this actually could possibly be. True so While bobby

491
00:28:49.279 --> 00:28:53.960
And kristen were good people by all, accounts they still

492
00:28:54.000 --> 00:28:59.880
had their vices. Marijuana being one of them college kids smoking,

493
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:05.279
Weed shocker, said no one, ever AM i? Right? Well

494
00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:11.359
wanting to find some weed that, Night bobby would then tell, investigators,

495
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.799
look we were trying to score some, weed, Okay bobby.

496
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:17.119
Explained that's when they saw This travis guy outside of

497
00:29:17.119 --> 00:29:21.000
the apartment complex riding his, bike so he didn't actually

498
00:29:21.039 --> 00:29:24.400
live in their. Complex he was kind of tooling around

499
00:29:24.440 --> 00:29:27.039
on his bike outside and they just kind of hit

500
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:28.319
him up and were, like, hey do you know where

501
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:31.720
we can get some? Weed And travis, said, yeah sure,

502
00:29:31.799 --> 00:29:34.599
do and he was able to go get it bring

503
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:39.039
it back to, Them so weed in, hand the three

504
00:29:39.039 --> 00:29:41.759
of them had continued to hang out all. Night they

505
00:29:41.799 --> 00:29:44.680
even rollerbladed at one point in the parking lot right

506
00:29:44.720 --> 00:29:48.000
outside the, apartment drank some, beer hung, out but it

507
00:29:48.079 --> 00:29:51.359
was very, kosher other than you, know, hey if you smoke,

508
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.319
weed this ain't. Nothing at, all, okay but if you don't,

509
00:29:53.359 --> 00:29:55.759
Whatever but it was. Not there was nothing violent or

510
00:29:55.839 --> 00:29:59.559
horrible going on this, night and So travis And kristen

511
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:02.440
smoked the weed. Together bobby uh did not partake in,

512
00:30:02.480 --> 00:30:05.319
it from What i'm. Understanding and at the end of the,

513
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.599
Hangout travis said he lived with his brother at a

514
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.519
nearby apartment, complex and that's why they gave him the ride.

515
00:30:11.640 --> 00:30:14.799
Back and they even mentioned To travis that they were

516
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:17.559
supposed to be planning a barbecue, soon but they didn't

517
00:30:17.599 --> 00:30:19.319
own a barbecue, pit and so they were going to

518
00:30:19.400 --> 00:30:23.559
have to go get. One now that would matter in

519
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:26.680
just a. Minute but that was, it, Okay once all

520
00:30:26.720 --> 00:30:30.319
of that came, Forward, okay some weed was, involved all, right. Whatever,

521
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:36.839
well another neighbor in the apartment complex would contact police

522
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.400
and she would specifically mention that she saw a man

523
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:44.119
go into their apartment about seven point thirty in the,

524
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:49.119
morning and she added something. Else she added that there

525
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.559
was now a barbecue pit outside of the patio gate

526
00:30:52.720 --> 00:30:55.599
of the, apartment and the reason that she noticed it

527
00:30:55.640 --> 00:30:58.319
is because the day before it hadn't been. There so

528
00:30:58.440 --> 00:31:03.039
this information obviously now was aligning with What bobby had.

529
00:31:03.119 --> 00:31:05.319
Said because he was the one who mentioned the barbecue

530
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:06.640
and that they had to go get a barbecue. Pit

531
00:31:07.480 --> 00:31:10.480
so at this, point police created a photo lineup of

532
00:31:10.559 --> 00:31:13.200
men that looked similar To travis as well As travis

533
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.000
being in, it and when they showed that lineup To,

534
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:23.359
bobby he instantly pointed To Travis. Green, wow you know

535
00:31:24.079 --> 00:31:29.400
this was really looking to actually be. Real So bobby

536
00:31:29.480 --> 00:31:32.960
really may have slept through the brutal rape and murder

537
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.559
of his. Girlfriend but if she was, RAPED dna would be. Found.

538
00:31:37.680 --> 00:31:40.799
Right everyone was waiting for the results from that rape

539
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:43.279
test kit to come, back but that would take. Time

540
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:45.759
remember this is the. Nineties that's gonna take some. Time

541
00:31:46.680 --> 00:31:50.400
they would NEED dna to compare it against two if

542
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:53.839
they were to come back with a positive result for HAVING.

543
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:58.279
Dna so police took samples From. Bobby, now it Was

544
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:03.880
september tenth When houston detectives Interviewed Travis green regarding his

545
00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.960
knowledge and whereabouts in relation to the murder Of Kristin.

546
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.759
Loach but of course he didn't give up much. Information

547
00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:12.519
he didn't like the, police he'd been to. Prison he

548
00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.680
wasn't gonna be. Helpful so you can imagine he's not

549
00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.119
a fan of law enforcement and he didn't want to

550
00:32:18.200 --> 00:32:21.440
voluntarily insert himself in any, way shape or form in this.

551
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:27.240
Case but after his chat with police and the feeling

552
00:32:27.359 --> 00:32:31.039
that pressure was being applied to, Him travis got spooked

553
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:34.559
and he decided he wanted no part of. This so

554
00:32:34.599 --> 00:32:37.319
he hit the road and he made his way down

555
00:32:37.400 --> 00:32:42.799
the interstate a few hours To Baton, Rouge, louisiana and

556
00:32:42.839 --> 00:32:46.440
he remained In Baton rouge for about three to four

557
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:50.839
days before he returned back home To. Texas and when he,

558
00:32:50.960 --> 00:32:55.759
did detectives surprised him at. Home, Hey, bud we need

559
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.160
to borrow something from, you and what we need is

560
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:01.680
A dna swap from your, cheek and they, did in

561
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:05.880
fact get THAT dna swap from. Him, Now kristen's rape

562
00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:11.519
test kit results would come back positive FOR dna on her.

563
00:33:11.599 --> 00:33:14.960
Shirt there was semen and blood, collected as well as

564
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:20.200
semen found in her vaginal. Vault her nails were proof

565
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.720
that there had been a horrendous struggle and they were

566
00:33:23.720 --> 00:33:26.799
able to collect MALE dna from underneath those nails because

567
00:33:26.839 --> 00:33:30.640
she was scratching and clawing during this, attack trying to

568
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:35.039
save her. Life when THE dna comparison testing was, Done

569
00:33:35.880 --> 00:33:41.440
Travis green was positively identified as the rapist and murderer

570
00:33:41.680 --> 00:33:46.559
Of Kristin. Loche he was promptly arrested and charged with her.

571
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:52.240
Murder well On september the, Twentieth Travis green decided to represent.

572
00:33:52.359 --> 00:33:58.319
Himself he wanted to represent himself in front of The

573
00:33:58.680 --> 00:34:03.079
Honorable Judge Johnson, court where he was ultimately found guilty

574
00:34:03.559 --> 00:34:07.440
and handed down a sentence of. Death and now you're

575
00:34:07.599 --> 00:34:11.039
listening to this, podcast, going, Wow, jennings that's a really

576
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:13.960
short episode, here. Girl, well y'all better quit playing with.

577
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:18.079
Me quit playing with, me because you Know i'm going to.

578
00:34:18.159 --> 00:34:22.679
Deliver but it's going to take twenty years for me

579
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:25.320
to be able to. Deliver but lucky for, y'all it's

580
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:27.840
already been that twenty years And i'm here for. It

581
00:34:28.360 --> 00:34:33.639
you ready for? THIS i don't think you. Are Travis

582
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:39.119
green was now sitting on death row For kristen's murder In.

583
00:34:39.199 --> 00:34:43.559
Texas while he's on death, row he spent his time

584
00:34:43.599 --> 00:34:48.199
filing appeals to his, sentencing and also he was angering

585
00:34:48.239 --> 00:34:52.320
other inmates due to his constant masturbation in front of.

586
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:56.440
Them so he had a history of doing this type

587
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:59.599
of shit even in the, jails he would openly in

588
00:34:59.639 --> 00:35:01.679
these doors ms master bait in front of the other

589
00:35:01.679 --> 00:35:03.280
inmates who wanted to beat his ass because, like what

590
00:35:03.280 --> 00:35:05.920
the fuck are you? Doing? Bro like even it behind jail,

591
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.559
bars you, know like like there's a you, know a

592
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:11.400
decorum in a. Way nobody wants to be around. That

593
00:35:11.800 --> 00:35:15.280
and his mental health had been in decline for. Years,

594
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:18.239
okay so there was there was documentation of this because

595
00:35:18.280 --> 00:35:20.480
while he was, incarcerated and y'all hang with, me Because

596
00:35:20.480 --> 00:35:22.360
i'm about to get. Somewhere it's gonna blow your. Mind

597
00:35:23.079 --> 00:35:26.679
but while he was, incarcerated doctors would diagnose him as

598
00:35:26.719 --> 00:35:31.960
a schizophrenic with bouts of paranoia and. Delusions, well because of,

599
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.039
this the appeals that he was making on death, row

600
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.360
those would center around whether he should have been allowed

601
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:42.360
to represent himself in court originally because of his mental,

602
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.360
illness because y'all's there's two types of. People there's people

603
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:47.719
that think they're smarter than everybody and that they're gonna

604
00:35:47.719 --> 00:35:52.039
go represent, themselves and you know they're gonna lose because

605
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:53.519
you're not an. Attorney you don't know the rules of

606
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:55.880
law and all that kind of. Stuff, well when you

607
00:35:56.039 --> 00:35:59.760
go to court on a death penalty eligible, case there's

608
00:35:59.760 --> 00:36:02.639
gonna be a lot more considered there because even if

609
00:36:02.679 --> 00:36:06.440
you hired attorneys for, you those attorneys have to have

610
00:36:06.559 --> 00:36:10.480
death penalty case experience to be able to represent you

611
00:36:10.519 --> 00:36:13.480
because so much is at, stake, Right, well he opted

612
00:36:14.599 --> 00:36:18.920
whenever he went to represent himself that he wanted to represent.

613
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:22.920
Himself he was, adamant but he. Didn't he didn't sign

614
00:36:23.039 --> 00:36:26.960
off to get rid of the. Representation so there were attorneys,

615
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:29.760
there but he was like his own lead. Counsel if

616
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:31.440
that makes. Sense, now if you're an, Attorney i'm sure

617
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:33.840
there's better wording for, that But i'm not here to

618
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:37.599
preach the. Law but in a, nutshell the argument of

619
00:36:37.639 --> 00:36:42.800
the experts centered around when when did his mental illness

620
00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:46.519
really take hold of, him because that would. Matter so

621
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:51.000
based on my, understanding people with this type of schizophrenic

622
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:55.320
paranoia and all that kind of, stuff their disorders tend

623
00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:58.840
to be diagnosed after, onset so it's not immediately usually,

624
00:36:59.079 --> 00:37:03.840
diagnosed it's usually, afterwards and there's an average delay of

625
00:37:03.920 --> 00:37:09.679
about ten years from the onset of, symptoms all, Right so,

626
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.079
meaning for, example if symptoms were showing up in a

627
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.519
ten year, old they usually are not going to be,

628
00:37:15.599 --> 00:37:19.119
diagnosed at least at that point in the. Nineties they

629
00:37:19.119 --> 00:37:21.480
wouldn't be diagnosed until they were around twenty years, old

630
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:24.519
if that makes. Sense SO i read tons of documentation

631
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:27.320
on this trial and the appeals and. EVERYTHING i think

632
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.440
it was like something like sixty five pages THAT i

633
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.679
read on just one appeal. Alone and it does seem

634
00:37:32.760 --> 00:37:36.639
that there is a legitimate argument for a mental case.

635
00:37:36.719 --> 00:37:41.559
Here things like when he was in court representing, himself

636
00:37:41.599 --> 00:37:44.280
he would start undressing in front of the, jury and

637
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:47.400
they'd have to stop, court pull him, out make him

638
00:37:47.400 --> 00:37:50.000
get dressed, again calm him, down and then bring him back.

639
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:52.840
In and he's supposed to be representing. Himself he would

640
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:55.719
talk out of turn in. Court he would make no.

641
00:37:55.880 --> 00:37:58.119
Sense and WHEN i say make no, Sense i'm talking

642
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:02.400
about he. Would and this was according to multiple. People,

643
00:38:02.559 --> 00:38:07.440
okay he. Would he would talk to, himself and he

644
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:10.199
would talk to a third party that wasn't even. There

645
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:14.119
he was having a. Conversation and so he was claiming

646
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:16.800
that THE fbi was after him and that they had

647
00:38:16.880 --> 00:38:21.559
implanted a device in. Him he was adamant that gas

648
00:38:21.639 --> 00:38:24.519
was being blown into his cell and that the government

649
00:38:24.599 --> 00:38:27.400
was trying to kill, him just some really wax. Stuff

650
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:31.400
but while this was going, on many years would. Pass,

651
00:38:31.480 --> 00:38:35.440
okay while all of this, this, uh these appeals and

652
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:38.760
arguments were being put, in, well the courts would find

653
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:43.320
that there was reasonable argument that he did have ineffective

654
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.360
counsel since he continued to represent himself with this crazy.

655
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.199
BEHAVIOR i have to. Agree, okay one more case in,

656
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:55.960
point there were no fingerprints lifted off Of Kristin losch's

657
00:38:56.000 --> 00:39:00.440
body at the crime. Scene, none even the crime scene

658
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:04.960
investigators confirmed. This they got no fingerprints from around her. Neck,

659
00:39:05.760 --> 00:39:09.239
well When travis would was standing up and arguing his

660
00:39:09.320 --> 00:39:14.119
case in, court he was adamant that his seamen and

661
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:18.360
his fingerprints had been stolen from him by THE, cia

662
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.880
and that's why his prints were on her neck and

663
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:26.039
so there were no. PRINTS csi was even confirmed again

664
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.239
there were no fingerprints. Lifted yet he continued to belabor

665
00:39:29.280 --> 00:39:32.239
the point waste the court's time and was adamant his

666
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:35.440
fingerprints were on her neck even though they. Weren't, like

667
00:39:35.880 --> 00:39:38.079
there's so much MORE i could tell you about this

668
00:39:38.159 --> 00:39:39.719
kind of. Stuff it would bore you unless you're a

669
00:39:39.719 --> 00:39:42.719
court nerd like. Me but a lot here was going

670
00:39:42.760 --> 00:39:46.400
on but the thing was, This travis refused to speak

671
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.320
or work with his, counsel so their hands were tied a,

672
00:39:50.360 --> 00:39:52.679
bit and this whole thing just became a total shit. Show,

673
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:57.800
okay but these appeals would keep him busy while, detectives,

674
00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.239
well they were, very very busy then themselves back In Baton, Rouge.

675
00:40:02.599 --> 00:40:08.079
Louisiana and here is where all of my listeners are gonna.

676
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:12.199
About they're gonna have their eyebrows, raise because, see some years,

677
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:17.119
later in the early two, thousands there were three serial

678
00:40:17.199 --> 00:40:22.360
killers running simultaneously around The Baton rouge area and women

679
00:40:22.440 --> 00:40:25.440
were being killed one after the. Other AND i know

680
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:30.360
this name is gonna sound, Familiar Derek. Toddley that should

681
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.320
be ringing a bell right now if you've been listening

682
00:40:32.360 --> 00:40:36.639
for a hot. Minute and he was one of those serial.

683
00:40:36.719 --> 00:40:39.639
Killers when this was all going, on and in the

684
00:40:39.679 --> 00:40:43.599
midst of the, killings police were trying to sort a

685
00:40:43.639 --> 00:40:48.440
lot out who was killing who and. Why you've got

686
00:40:48.480 --> 00:40:51.360
three serial, killers women being slaughtered and police are trying

687
00:40:51.400 --> 00:40:53.679
to figure out who's doing. What, well many of these

688
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:57.840
murders took place right here near LSU's. Campus women in

689
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.280
the area were. Terrified the city was in full, pandemonium

690
00:41:01.559 --> 00:41:05.519
and the killers were running. Rampant no one knew who

691
00:41:05.559 --> 00:41:08.559
would be, next and no one knew where they would strike.

692
00:41:08.639 --> 00:41:12.639
Again it really was. Terrifying multiple women at this point

693
00:41:12.719 --> 00:41:15.880
in the story That i'm telling had already been, killed

694
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:19.039
and locals from my, area they're going to recognize these names,

695
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:23.639
instantly names Like Gina Wilson, Green Pam, Kennimore Charlotte Murray.

696
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:26.960
Pace if you are From, louisiana you'll know those. Names

697
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:28.719
if you're, not it's, okay you don't need. To but

698
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:32.079
they're important. People but it won't affect the outcome of this.

699
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:35.800
Story but all of those names should be very. Familiar

700
00:41:36.119 --> 00:41:39.000
BUT i want to tell you another. Name this would

701
00:41:39.000 --> 00:41:42.719
be nineteen year Old Cassie, federer and she was here

702
00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:46.159
right in the midst of the killing chaos back. Then

703
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:50.239
she was originally From Tangipahoa parish and she had started

704
00:41:50.280 --> 00:41:53.480
her college career At Southeastern Louisiana. University shout. OUT i

705
00:41:53.480 --> 00:41:56.639
Know i've got Some southeastern students that are, listening BECAUSE

706
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:59.840
i visited with them a few weeks ago and gave

707
00:41:59.880 --> 00:42:01.920
a lecture to them and had a great. Time but

708
00:42:02.320 --> 00:42:06.440
she had transferred From southeastern TO lsu And Baton. Rouge

709
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:10.920
so While southeastern was closer to home for, Her elisu

710
00:42:11.079 --> 00:42:13.480
was only roughly an hour's drive. Away so she was

711
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:16.199
far enough away to be quote unquote on her, own

712
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:18.840
but she was close enough that her parents could get

713
00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:21.280
to her quickly if there was an. Emergency it was

714
00:42:21.320 --> 00:42:23.920
a perfect balance for both the parent and the child

715
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:27.519
stepping out on their. Own, Now cassie was one of four,

716
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:30.599
children but being a, daughter you know how that, is

717
00:42:31.519 --> 00:42:33.760
meant she held a special place in her daddy's. Heart

718
00:42:34.199 --> 00:42:38.760
daddies loved their little girls And cassie with her beautiful

719
00:42:38.800 --> 00:42:43.679
hazel eyes shiny brown. Hair she grew up loving. Ballet

720
00:42:44.000 --> 00:42:47.519
she danced for many many, years very, elegant and her

721
00:42:47.599 --> 00:42:51.119
confidence that she gained from dancing it showed up in

722
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:55.199
every single aspect of her. Life she was just as

723
00:42:55.719 --> 00:42:59.079
strong willed as she was. Sweet and she lived On

724
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:03.400
Park boulevard in an apartment that overlooked the City Brooks

725
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:06.079
park and this is just off of The dalrymple exit

726
00:43:06.360 --> 00:43:09.320
if you're. Local so her parents.

727
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.280
Were just more and more proud of her with every

728
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:16.159
move in life she, made and her decision to pursue

729
00:43:16.159 --> 00:43:19.800
a degree in psychology AT lsu was just.

730
00:43:20.079 --> 00:43:23.679
Amazing it was. Perfect they were happy for one, thing.

731
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:27.280
Though cassie did not live, alone thank, goodness and she

732
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:30.639
shared the apartment that she lived in with another female

733
00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:34.599
student and now good, Friend Kate. Gidrey so the two

734
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:36.840
girls had met back in the spring of nineteen ninety

735
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:40.440
nine because they had been randomly assigned as roommates in a.

736
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:43.599
Dorm but they decided that they were going to go

737
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:47.679
get their apartment together off campus after that spring semester had.

738
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:49.800
Ended they just hit it off and their friendship was.

739
00:43:49.840 --> 00:43:53.519
Real so the morning Of september thirteenth of nineteen ninety,

740
00:43:53.599 --> 00:43:56.360
nine it was like any other day in the lives

741
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.800
of the. Girls kate got up and she left their.

742
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:00.800
Apartment she had to go run some errands for the,

743
00:44:00.920 --> 00:44:05.320
day And cassie she was already at school Whenever kate

744
00:44:05.400 --> 00:44:08.199
left to go run her, errands But cassie would be

745
00:44:08.199 --> 00:44:11.039
returning later that day and she was expected to be

746
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:14.840
home sometime around FOUR. Pm now she was really really

747
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:18.119
looking forward to her upcoming. Birthday it was just in

748
00:44:18.159 --> 00:44:20.039
a few. Days she was going to be the big two,

749
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:25.800
zero almost legally old enough to DRINK i guess, almost

750
00:44:25.960 --> 00:44:28.719
but she was going to be twenty and she did

751
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:31.880
not have a steady. Boyfriend but she wentn't against casual.

752
00:44:31.960 --> 00:44:33.880
Dating here and. There she went out a few, times

753
00:44:33.920 --> 00:44:38.480
and that didn't, mean, though that she was, alone because

754
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:45.559
there was always a, very very handsome fellow waiting anxiously

755
00:44:45.679 --> 00:44:50.599
for her to get home each. Day and his name Was. Freckles,

756
00:44:51.400 --> 00:44:56.480
yes Mister freckles was a girl's best. Friend to the,

757
00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.079
world he may have just been a Cocker, spaniel but

758
00:44:59.239 --> 00:45:03.760
To cassie he was her baby and a constant companion

759
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:07.639
who never left her. Side and she would have loved

760
00:45:07.679 --> 00:45:09.519
to just veg out all day and snuggle with her.

761
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:14.480
Buddy but first duty, called so she had gone to

762
00:45:14.480 --> 00:45:17.519
school and then she was supposed to go work a

763
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:20.639
shift At eckerd's that, afternoon which is an old school

764
00:45:20.719 --> 00:45:23.079
drug store that we used to have and it wasn't

765
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:25.880
far from her. Home she was a great, employee, prompt,

766
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:30.880
dependable but before heading to, work she needed to go

767
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:33.840
buy the, house change her, clothes take out the. Trash

768
00:45:33.920 --> 00:45:35.920
she had a few house chores that she needed to.

769
00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:39.440
Do so it was a little after four pm when

770
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:43.559
a woman who lived in the same apartment, complex was

771
00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:46.760
sitting on the couch and got the scare of a.

772
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:53.239
Lifetime out of. Nowhere shots began firing out at the apartment,

773
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:57.559
complex and a stray bullet came whizzing straight through her,

774
00:45:57.599 --> 00:46:01.800
wall right through the sheet, rock and asked. Her so she's,

775
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.159
Terrified oh my, god someone's shooting in the, building and

776
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:08.280
so she. Dropped she took, cover but just as fast

777
00:46:08.320 --> 00:46:13.159
as it, happened it was. Over unsure of exactly what to,

778
00:46:13.239 --> 00:46:17.599
think it terrified, her and she stayed put until her

779
00:46:17.679 --> 00:46:21.159
husband returned. Home and as soon as he got, home

780
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:23.400
she was, like oh my, god listen what just. Happened

781
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.760
so he gets this story from his wife and he's,

782
00:46:26.800 --> 00:46:28.920
like holy, hell and so he runs outside and he

783
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:31.079
starts just looking around to see what he could see

784
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:33.199
and why the hell was someone shooting through our. Apartment

785
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:37.840
and that's whenever he noticed that the neighbors next, Door

786
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:42.639
kate And, cassie their door was, open so he did

787
00:46:42.679 --> 00:46:46.480
not go, inside but the condition of their apartment door

788
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:51.679
made him immediately begin to audibly. Pray he was a religious,

789
00:46:51.679 --> 00:46:55.039
man and just looking at that door made him break

790
00:46:55.079 --> 00:46:59.840
out into immediate. Prayer he knew something was very, wrong

791
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.320
and right after the amen he contacted their apartment manager

792
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.679
and explained what he was told by his wife and

793
00:47:07.760 --> 00:47:12.519
about the neighbor's girl next door being. Open so alarmed by,

794
00:47:12.519 --> 00:47:17.440
this the manager reported immediately down to the units and couldn't,

795
00:47:17.480 --> 00:47:20.920
help but notice that the door had been forcibly. Entered

796
00:47:21.199 --> 00:47:25.559
it had been busted, through like dead bolt shattered. Through

797
00:47:25.840 --> 00:47:27.760
this was not like they left their door open on.

798
00:47:27.920 --> 00:47:31.599
Accident so the manager went up to the door and

799
00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:34.679
he called out for the, girls but neither one of

800
00:47:34.719 --> 00:47:39.519
them answered. Back so he did enter the apartment and

801
00:47:39.599 --> 00:47:44.679
he found that the apartment was in normal. Condition there

802
00:47:44.800 --> 00:47:48.199
was no robbery or anything that he could. Tell it wasn't.

803
00:47:48.320 --> 00:47:52.400
Ransacked it just looked like a, normal everyday. Apartment so

804
00:47:52.480 --> 00:47:56.840
he did continue to call out and no answer until

805
00:47:56.840 --> 00:47:58.800
he made it to the end of the hall and

806
00:47:58.880 --> 00:48:03.159
he looked into a bed and there he's shocked to

807
00:48:03.199 --> 00:48:07.000
See cassie lying on the floor and she's bleeding. Out

808
00:48:07.320 --> 00:48:11.320
so the manager ran called nine to one one and, fire, police,

809
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:15.239
medical everybody all rushed to the scene to try and

810
00:48:15.239 --> 00:48:18.880
give her some. Assistance so upon, arrival they did Locate

811
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:23.000
cassie in that back, bedroom but no medical assistance would be.

812
00:48:23.079 --> 00:48:27.119
Needed because it had now been an hour or nearly

813
00:48:27.159 --> 00:48:30.639
an hour since the original shooting took, place And cassie

814
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:33.679
was already, dead there was nothing they could do for.

815
00:48:33.760 --> 00:48:38.280
Her so as the crime scene tape was wrapped around

816
00:48:38.320 --> 00:48:41.480
the apartment and it was secured for the homicide detectives

817
00:48:41.480 --> 00:48:46.320
to get, there Roommate kate returned from running errands to

818
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:50.039
see this chaos and she had no clue what was.

819
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:53.920
Happening so as she realized it was her apartment taped,

820
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.000
off she goes running up trying to Find cassie to

821
00:48:57.039 --> 00:49:00.480
ask her what, happened what's going? On but as she

822
00:49:00.519 --> 00:49:03.440
got up to the, officers she was, Stopped i'm, sorry

823
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:05.000
you can't go in. Here this is a crime, scene

824
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.079
and she, said, no this is my, apartment my. ROOMMATE

825
00:49:07.880 --> 00:49:09.519
i need to talk to my. ROOMMATE i don't know

826
00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:12.639
what's going on, here and that's when she was, informed,

827
00:49:13.599 --> 00:49:15.519
MA'AM i don't know how to tell you, this but

828
00:49:15.599 --> 00:49:20.760
there is a deceased female inside your. Apartment so she's just,

829
00:49:20.880 --> 00:49:25.599
stunned absolute. Disbelief what do you Mean cassie's not in.

830
00:49:25.639 --> 00:49:28.760
There cassie's not, dead she's, young she's, healthy she doesn't cause.

831
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:32.639
Trouble cassie's not in my. Apartment, no she's. NOT i

832
00:49:32.679 --> 00:49:36.440
want to talk to, her but that wouldn't be the.

833
00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:40.719
Case police would gently pull her to the side and

834
00:49:41.360 --> 00:49:45.519
start talking to the roommate as they were scouring that

835
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:49.679
apartment as. Well now the scene would tell a story

836
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:54.360
of an absolute ambush that lasted just, seconds but would

837
00:49:54.400 --> 00:50:01.280
be devastatingly Fatal in horrible situations like, these it's uncommon

838
00:50:01.840 --> 00:50:06.800
THAT i get to give a silver lining in any.

839
00:50:06.800 --> 00:50:11.360
Way but there was one thing in that, bedroom with

840
00:50:11.639 --> 00:50:16.400
the lights on and the fan swirling THAT i will tell.

841
00:50:16.440 --> 00:50:22.880
You there is a, small, thin barely visible silver. Lining

842
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:28.079
it's barely, there, y'all but it's there because when detectives

843
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:32.599
Entered cassie's room to begin their, investigation they found that

844
00:50:32.679 --> 00:50:36.800
there was actually another soul in the home who remained

845
00:50:36.880 --> 00:50:45.199
By cassie's side the entire. Time, scared, shaking but unwavering

846
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:50.840
in his, Loyalty Little freckles stood steadfast protecting his lifeless.

847
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:57.119
Girl they weren't getting near. Her he wasn't, vicious he wasn't,

848
00:50:57.159 --> 00:51:01.079
angry but he was, scared and he Knew cassie needed him,

849
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:05.480
there she would want him, There and in a moment like,

850
00:51:05.519 --> 00:51:10.960
THIS i can't help but appreciate that pup because the

851
00:51:11.000 --> 00:51:15.000
reality is That cassie did not die. Alone she had

852
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:18.480
her best friend with her until she took her last.

853
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:23.159
Breath And i'm going to honor. That it's a testament

854
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:29.800
to an animal and their loyalty to the person who

855
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:34.280
loved them so very. Much, So freckles was gently removed

856
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:38.599
from the, room and then the forensic investigation. Began now

857
00:51:38.599 --> 00:51:42.039
there were holes in the sheet, rock multiple, holes which

858
00:51:42.079 --> 00:51:45.199
indicated that whomever had done this has shot her at

859
00:51:45.239 --> 00:51:50.000
her over and, over but the apartment was. Intact there

860
00:51:50.119 --> 00:51:53.519
was no, robbery is what police. Found so what was

861
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:57.199
the motive? Then BECAUSE i know what you're likely thinking right,

862
00:51:57.239 --> 00:52:00.440
now you, know, oh, well obviously she was, raised But

863
00:52:00.559 --> 00:52:04.960
cassie was completely. Clothed rape was ruled out as a

864
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:10.320
possible motive very. Quickly the only thing missing from the

865
00:52:10.360 --> 00:52:15.719
scene was her book sack full of school. Books the

866
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:20.119
only thing added to the scene was a random glove

867
00:52:20.639 --> 00:52:25.000
that detectives did show Roommate, kate and she didn't recognize,

868
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:27.639
it but she knew that it Wasn't Cassie's she had

869
00:52:27.679 --> 00:52:32.840
never seen that before the glove was documented and processed into.

870
00:52:32.880 --> 00:52:35.840
Evidence now keep following me. HERE i know you're, like

871
00:52:35.840 --> 00:52:37.920
why is she telling us two different? Stories keep following,

872
00:52:37.960 --> 00:52:42.039
me because all in all this case was rather they're

873
00:52:42.079 --> 00:52:46.119
just rather. Puzzling it didn't make. Sense why had she been?

874
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:48.519
Shot if you're not gonna rob her and you're not

875
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:53.559
gonna rape, her why'd you kill? Her they looked into.

876
00:52:53.559 --> 00:52:56.559
This there were no known enemies That cassie, had she

877
00:52:56.599 --> 00:53:00.760
did not live a high risk, lifestyle, Nothing so the

878
00:53:00.840 --> 00:53:04.480
apartment was. Organized the only sign of the attack was

879
00:53:04.519 --> 00:53:08.760
the smashed front door And. Cassie of, course it just

880
00:53:08.800 --> 00:53:12.320
didn't make any. Sense so based on everything, scene it

881
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:15.960
looked Like cassie came home and when she went made

882
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.639
it into the, apartment she locked the, door including the dead,

883
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:23.199
bolt once, inside and then someone kicked in the, door shattering,

884
00:53:23.239 --> 00:53:27.519
it which at that Point cassie was scared and. Alarmed

885
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:29.639
on my, god someone's coming. In she took, off running

886
00:53:29.679 --> 00:53:32.840
towards her. Room she was able to grab her phone

887
00:53:33.079 --> 00:53:35.559
assumingly to dial nine one one because it did lay

888
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:38.239
next to her on the floor when they were processing the,

889
00:53:38.280 --> 00:53:42.039
scene But she couldn't make the call because she was chased,

890
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:45.960
down running for her, life but with nowhere to go

891
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:49.239
but to the back of the. Apartment she was trapped

892
00:53:50.079 --> 00:53:52.920
and a stray. Bullet she's being shot at while this

893
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.960
guy who she doesn't know is chasing her through the.

894
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.320
Apartment it's just horrifying for me to think. Of but

895
00:53:57.360 --> 00:53:59.519
a stray bullet went through the sheet, rock scaring the.

896
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:05.239
Neighbors cassie then took around to her side before collapsing

897
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:08.559
in her bedroom where she would bleed. Out there was

898
00:54:08.599 --> 00:54:13.199
no physical struggle at any point with her. Assailant he

899
00:54:13.440 --> 00:54:17.440
just chased her, down shot at her multiple, times struck,

900
00:54:17.440 --> 00:54:24.440
her and she fell mortally wounded and. Died it's odd,

901
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:28.480
money sex and revenge those are the common themes and.

902
00:54:28.559 --> 00:54:34.000
Murder cassie wasn't, rich she didn't owe anybody, money there

903
00:54:34.119 --> 00:54:38.880
was no. Robbery money wasn't a. Motive cassie wasn't dating,

904
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:43.599
anyone and she wasn't. Raped sex was not the. Motive

905
00:54:44.599 --> 00:54:47.960
cassie had no, enemies she wasn't currently fighting with. Anybody

906
00:54:48.320 --> 00:54:52.559
revenge was not the. Motive so what's? Left detectives are

907
00:54:52.599 --> 00:54:55.079
just looking at each other LIKE i don't where do

908
00:54:55.119 --> 00:54:58.519
we even go from? Here but police would continue to

909
00:54:58.559 --> 00:55:01.960
work this. Case, yeah but it would go unsolved And

910
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:06.880
i'm talking for. Years Even America's Most wanted featured her

911
00:55:06.960 --> 00:55:10.559
case on their. Show that's, huge but nothing came of.

912
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:15.559
It police chased down any, leads including a man who

913
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.440
had supposedly told police or told other people that he Killed.

914
00:55:19.519 --> 00:55:21.719
Cassie he was telling, FRIENDS i killed, HER i killed. Her,

915
00:55:22.000 --> 00:55:24.679
well this guy had a home In Denham, springs so

916
00:55:24.719 --> 00:55:26.840
the police even came, here they searched, it they got a.

917
00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:31.280
Warrant it led to. Nothing some people at the apartment

918
00:55:31.320 --> 00:55:33.960
complex back Where cassie, lived they said they saw a

919
00:55:34.000 --> 00:55:36.960
man around the apartments the time That cassie was, murdered

920
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:39.679
around that, time and they even created a sketch of,

921
00:55:39.719 --> 00:55:42.039
him but it brought no. LEADS i, mean this has

922
00:55:42.039 --> 00:55:45.239
to be so frustrating if you're working this case like

923
00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.480
you're not, incompetent you just have no. Leads so more

924
00:55:49.559 --> 00:55:54.239
years would, pass so many so that the detectives who

925
00:55:54.280 --> 00:55:58.920
originally worked that case they were. TIRED i, mean this is.

926
00:55:59.119 --> 00:56:04.719
Unbelievable Poor cassie's, parents they just had to go through

927
00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:07.920
this devastation of losing their daughter and then nobody being held.

928
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:10.840
Accountable who runs in and shoots a twenty year old

929
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:13.480
girl going to college and then the police can't solve.

930
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:17.559
IT i, mean that's just got to be. Disgusting someone's

931
00:56:17.639 --> 00:56:20.920
walked free now all these. Years so her parents now

932
00:56:20.960 --> 00:56:23.679
gave up hope they would ever be. Solved they just

933
00:56:23.760 --> 00:56:26.000
had to chalk it up to the fact that someone

934
00:56:26.039 --> 00:56:32.320
stole their, daughter stole, her and nobody knew, who and

935
00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:37.960
they were continuing to walk the. Streets the tragedy of no,

936
00:56:38.119 --> 00:56:42.960
closure no, answers no, nothing just total loss all the

937
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.679
way around is SOMETHING i don't wish on my worst.

938
00:56:45.760 --> 00:56:50.000
ENEMY i don't wish that on. Anybody so as the years,

939
00:56:50.039 --> 00:56:54.639
passed more and more women Like cassie would be, murdered

940
00:56:55.199 --> 00:56:58.960
and the police wondered if she was the original victim

941
00:56:59.239 --> 00:57:02.920
of a serial Care remember there were three in The

942
00:57:02.960 --> 00:57:06.159
Baton rouge area killing women at this exact same. Time

943
00:57:07.719 --> 00:57:11.519
but time continued to, pass and LIKE i told, you

944
00:57:11.679 --> 00:57:16.880
twenty years would go. By cassie's. Grandparents they would die

945
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:20.079
without any answers as to what happened to their precious.

946
00:57:20.119 --> 00:57:24.199
Granddaughter her daddy and her mama would keep photos of her,

947
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:30.960
up frozen in time forever, nineteen still no answers her

948
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:34.719
brothers they would grow up and get, married and the

949
00:57:34.880 --> 00:57:38.440
hole in the family photos on that special, day it's

950
00:57:38.519 --> 00:57:43.119
Obvious cassie's not. Here you can't escape. It it's in

951
00:57:43.199 --> 00:57:50.079
everything they. Do cassie's, daddy Mister, warren he just felt

952
00:57:50.119 --> 00:57:53.719
the gut punch over and over of knowing he would

953
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:55.960
never get to walk his baby girl down the aisle

954
00:57:56.039 --> 00:58:01.599
for her special. Day every, event every good it's supposed

955
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.159
to be good event in their, life has this gut

956
00:58:05.159 --> 00:58:07.119
punch on the other end of it That cassie didn't

957
00:58:07.119 --> 00:58:13.079
get to do. It but a daddy doesn't. Forget twenty

958
00:58:13.159 --> 00:58:17.400
years means nothing to a, daddy And cassie may have been,

959
00:58:17.480 --> 00:58:22.760
gone but she was not forgotten by her. Parents and

960
00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:26.800
on her twenty first, birthday her daddy even brought two

961
00:58:26.880 --> 00:58:31.519
beers with him to her, gravesite her first legal. Drink

962
00:58:32.760 --> 00:58:35.960
he cracked one open and he sat down and he

963
00:58:36.039 --> 00:58:41.519
drank it there with, her leaving one on her. Headstone

964
00:58:41.719 --> 00:58:43.559
he wanted her to get to have her first legal,

965
00:58:43.679 --> 00:58:50.559
drink and he didn't. Forget more time kept passing sweet.

966
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:53.719
Freckles he eventually would pass, away and he was so

967
00:58:54.280 --> 00:58:58.159
special to her that her family had Little freckles cremated

968
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.159
and they even laid his ashes rest right next to.

969
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:07.239
Her but while the wheels of justice turn, slow they

970
00:59:07.280 --> 00:59:11.400
do still, turn and advancements in science technology would pay.

971
00:59:11.480 --> 00:59:15.960
Off the glove that was collected from the scene Of

972
00:59:16.000 --> 00:59:20.360
cassie's murder did CONTAIN, dna which was entered into the

973
00:59:20.440 --> 00:59:25.119
NOW dna database known AS cotis and run for possible,

974
00:59:25.159 --> 00:59:34.840
matches and, surprisingly amazingly and, unbelievably nearly twenty years After cassie's,

975
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:39.239
murder the system would ring back with A dna. Match

976
00:59:40.679 --> 00:59:45.039
everyone from The Louisiana State police to The Texas rangers

977
00:59:45.320 --> 00:59:48.760
worked on this, case and the suspect's identity would surprise.

978
00:59:49.039 --> 00:59:54.599
Everyone cassie was not killed by any of the serial.

979
00:59:54.679 --> 00:59:59.719
Killers she was murdered by none other than the Current

980
00:59:59.760 --> 01:00:07.039
Tes Death row, Inmate Travis. Green travis Murdered kristen In

981
01:00:07.199 --> 01:00:10.719
texas and then he went on the run To Baton,

982
01:00:10.800 --> 01:00:14.039
rouge and those few days that he was In Baton,

983
01:00:14.119 --> 01:00:18.320
rouge he Murdered, cassie at which point he then turned

984
01:00:18.360 --> 01:00:23.519
back around and drove back To. Texas two lives of

985
01:00:23.599 --> 01:00:29.440
two young girls snuffed out just for his. Gratification While

986
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:32.840
cassie wasn't, raped it is believed that that was his

987
01:00:32.960 --> 01:00:37.880
absolute intention until she saw his face and at that

988
01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:41.079
point he chased her down and that's why he shot.

989
01:00:41.079 --> 01:00:43.000
Her and he killed her because she would have been

990
01:00:43.000 --> 01:00:47.639
able to identify. Him but because of the gunshots that he,

991
01:00:47.719 --> 01:00:50.920
fired he knew he had to, run and so as

992
01:00:51.000 --> 01:00:54.599
he turned out to, leave he just grabbed the booksacked

993
01:00:54.639 --> 01:00:57.360
to steal it just for anything valuable that might be

994
01:00:57.400 --> 01:01:00.519
inside it on his way, out but it had nothing in. It,

995
01:01:02.920 --> 01:01:07.519
thankfully the case was, solved although it doesn't Bring cassie,

996
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:11.719
back and Since Travis green was already locked up until

997
01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.039
the day he, dies the district attorney In Baton rouge

998
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:19.639
decided not to pursue a trial for the murder Of. Cassie,

999
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:23.760
however if he were ever to be released for any,

1000
01:01:23.840 --> 01:01:28.440
reason he would be detained and extradited back to ebr

1001
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:32.440
for the charges In cassie's. Murder AND i get, this

1002
01:01:33.199 --> 01:01:36.320
there's no reason to do the trial and spend the

1003
01:01:36.360 --> 01:01:39.280
money when we know he did it and he's already

1004
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:41.280
going to die In. TEXAS i get. It for the.

1005
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:44.320
Family i'm sure that doesn't feel good because you want

1006
01:01:44.360 --> 01:01:48.079
it on, paper but it is solved and he'll never

1007
01:01:48.199 --> 01:01:50.679
walk free. Again but the thing is it costs two

1008
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:56.480
young girls their. Lives Travis Dwight green is now currently

1009
01:01:56.519 --> 01:01:59.599
fifty seven years old and he remains on death row In.

1010
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:04.599
Texas his mental status while a constant question in the courts, today,

1011
01:02:05.280 --> 01:02:08.760
well what they realized is that it was not deemed

1012
01:02:09.199 --> 01:02:12.280
to be an issue back when he committed these. Murders

1013
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.960
he may have declined in, prison but on the, streets

1014
01:02:16.239 --> 01:02:19.800
he was doing exactly what he wanted to. Do he

1015
01:02:19.840 --> 01:02:22.719
wanted to have sex with these women without their, consent

1016
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:25.519
and he wanted to steal their, shit and that's exactly

1017
01:02:25.639 --> 01:02:28.920
what he. Did he knew it was. Wrong that's why

1018
01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.760
he had to sneak in to rape and Kill. Christen

1019
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:35.159
he knew it was, wrong and that's why he had

1020
01:02:35.199 --> 01:02:38.519
a gun when he kicked Down cassie's. Door he knew

1021
01:02:38.559 --> 01:02:42.519
it was, wrong and that's why he fled. Afterwards there's

1022
01:02:42.599 --> 01:02:45.760
no question if he was too, crazy he would have,

1023
01:02:45.840 --> 01:02:49.519
stayed but he, didn't and he ran like a little.

1024
01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:54.920
Bitch AND i can only imagine where the women would

1025
01:02:54.960 --> 01:03:01.199
be today had the constant criminal been denied parole back

1026
01:03:01.440 --> 01:03:06.159
when they had. Him but we'll never, know will. We

1027
01:03:06.159 --> 01:03:10.719
we believe in second, chances don't. We people screaming that

1028
01:03:11.400 --> 01:03:14.480
everyone deserves a second, Chance i'm gonna tell you you're, wrong

1029
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:18.159
call me, jaded, Whatever but when you say second, chance

1030
01:03:18.480 --> 01:03:23.239
ALL i hear from experience is second countdown because someone

1031
01:03:23.280 --> 01:03:26.360
else's time is running out when it comes to these

1032
01:03:26.440 --> 01:03:30.960
violent rapists and. Criminals that's ALL i. Hear and the

1033
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:35.199
news these days calling these murders, shocking while the rest

1034
01:03:35.239 --> 01:03:36.760
of us are now starting to just call it A.

1035
01:03:36.840 --> 01:03:41.039
Wednesday it happens all the, time all too, often and

1036
01:03:41.079 --> 01:03:44.400
when it comes to people Like, travis he gets all

1037
01:03:44.719 --> 01:03:49.599
the benefits people fighting still to this day constantly for

1038
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:54.320
his supposedly violated rights when he chose and demanded to

1039
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:57.440
be his own damn attorney who fought for these. Girls

1040
01:03:58.360 --> 01:04:01.320
if they had Written travis and appeal on, paper would

1041
01:04:01.320 --> 01:04:05.480
he have considered? There? Please, no he, Wouldn't so pardon

1042
01:04:05.480 --> 01:04:09.760
my bluntness WHENEVER i say enough is, Enough Because Travis

1043
01:04:09.800 --> 01:04:13.039
green doesn't need an, Attorney he needs a damn execution.

1044
01:04:13.159 --> 01:04:13.559
Squad