May 18, 2025

Crime Wire Weekly 5/16/25 | Menendez Brothers Ruling, Diddy Trial Ramping Up, Attack of the Kangaroo's

Crime Wire Weekly 5/16/25 | Menendez Brothers Ruling, Diddy Trial Ramping Up, Attack of the Kangaroo's
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Season 7

In this episode of “Crime Wire Weekly, Kelly Jennings and Jim Chapman Discussdevelopments in the Sean Diddy Combs’ trial, Updates regarding the Menendez brothers’ parole eligibility, a Louisiana kidnapping, Jacqueline Ma's abuse sentencing, and a bizarre and tragic kangaroo encounter.

#kangaroo#louisiana#menendezbrothers#murdaugh #news #crime #podcast #crimewireweekly #Diddy

Chapters
02:12 Sean Combs Trial Details
07:00 Baby Possible Kidnapping Case in Louisiana
14:25 Alex Murdaugh Back In the News
18:44 Are the Menendez Brothers Eligible for Parole
25:50 California Teacher of the Year Sentenced for S%x Abuse
32:02 Fatal Kangaroo Encounter
36:50 Common Crimes for College Students

Kelly Jennings is host of “Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings”https://open.spotify.com/show/3n7BUzKRtMhAEuIuu7f031?si=c98fcf5b7e6848c8
Jim Chapman is host of “Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite”https://open.spotify.com/show/3ePQYSPp5oSPDeue8otH1n?si=39142df6e0ed4f77

Sources
Cassie Ventura Testimony Diddy TrialLouisiana Attempted Kidnapping Case
Murdaugh Clerk of Court ChargedMenendez Brothers get Parole Elgible
California ‘teacher of the year’ sexually assaulted elementary school boys. She gets 30-year termMan, 52, Dies with 'Multiple Blunt Force Injuries' After Suspected Animal Attack in Enclosure at S.C. Zoo

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In New York, the trial of Sean Combs has started.

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In the Star, witness Cassie Ventura has taken the stand

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and we got the details. In California, the Menendez brothers

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have been re sentenced, making them eligible for parole. Will

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they get it? Kelly and I are going to discuss that.

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And in Louisiana, a woman convicted of an attempted kidnapping

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of a baby at a Baton Rage hospital has been sentenced.

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We're bringing you that story plus more today on The

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Crime Wire Weekly. I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.

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What's up, Kelly, Jay?

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I am happy. It's a we're recording this on a Friday.

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And yeah, it's pretty weather. I just got my toenails painted.

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I can't say the same. Well, mine are definitely unpainted.

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Mine have flowers on them, right, and diamonds and diamonds.

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Oh my gosh, extra baby, I gotta look good for

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my baby. You are my husband, right, not Jim. Yeah,

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let's clarify that he likes to look pretty.

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There you go, all right. So in the future, what

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And we appreciate all the feedback so much, wonderful feedback,

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both the best listeners, really.

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We really do. All Right, Well, let's get into the

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world of crime, and I'll start us off in New

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York and we're going to talk about the Seawing Combes trial,

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which is luck you can't pull up Google without seeing

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nineteen stories on the Shawan Combes trial. It is fully

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underway in the last couple of days Cassie Ventura has

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been on the stand. Now, Cassie Ventura, she is in

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her third trimester of her pregnancy. As a matter of fact,

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she's due like in a week and a half, so

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she could have that baby at any time. Of course,

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she's testifying in this trial under an extreme amount of pressure,

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which can bring on a baby. So it was interesting,

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Kelly that yesterday during her testimony in this trial, the

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defense said, look, we're not exactly sure when we're going

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to have her off the stand. And the judge said,

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hold up, we've been talking about this for a month,

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and he was he was pretty pissed, quite frankly, he said,

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we've been discussing she was pregnant, and I told her

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she was going to be out of here by midday Friday,

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and I don't care what you have to do to

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make that happen, but we're out of here by midday

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on Friday with her.

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I respect that too, because you know, having a baby

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is not as simple as people I think believe it

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to be. You know, having done it multiple times, she's

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got a lot going on emotionally, physically, and then too,

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you know, I'll say allegedly right now, but allegedly be

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a victim of horrendous Well she was.

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You know, videos are out there getting the crap beat

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out of her, so a minimum, she's definitely a victim

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of the.

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Right, right, and then to be facing him in court

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just feed away. I just think a lot of people

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who can get on the stand who experienced horrific situations

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and then just be feed away from the person who

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did that, and then to just stand your ground and

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and talk about it and not to mention the whole

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world's watching this how humiliating.

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Well it is. And you know, they shared a lot

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of text back and forth between Sean Comb's and Cassie Ventura,

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and a lot of these are you know, I'm not

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out there and I can't see everybody's text, but when

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you text your wife or something, sometimes those are very personal. Well,

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this is you're talking years of text back and forth

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between these two, some of them very graphic, that are

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now being read out loud in open court to you know,

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everybody in the world essentially. Yeah, So it's.

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It's brilliant just today, just putting yourself in someone's shoes,

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the victims shoes. Just today, like I said, I was

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at the nails line. I had a picture of what

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I wanted painted, and I handed it to my girl

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and she said, okay, can I take this to go

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get your paint? Said sure, Well, I thought she meant

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to turn around and just walk like right there to

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grab some paint. But she walked away around a wall

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with my phone. And the longer yeah, and the longer

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I sat there, I was kind of like, you know.

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I don't have anything to hide, but I kind of

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my children, my family, are you know?

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What do you?

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I don't need you just gone with my phone.

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I was like, excuse me, could you ask her to

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bring my phone back? I'd like to have it.

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And the girl turns around and she goes she doesn't

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want you taking her phone.

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I was like, oh shit.

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She brought it right back, and I was like, I'm

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not doing to v ugly. I just that's you know,

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your private Yeah, And I.

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Mean, look, I've had people I'll take a picture of you.

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I'm like, not with my phone, You're not. I mean,

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I ain't gonna say I got anything on there to hide,

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but I might, well, yeah I might. I don't know

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what's twenty six years girl, I have something, don't be swiping.

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Look anytime I hand my phone to people, they laugh

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and I'll say, don't don't scroll.

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Yeah, yeah, don't be scrolling all my ship.

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I know I look like a psychopath because I have

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pictures of my flowers in my yard. Then I'll have

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pictures of crime scenes, and then it'll ship.

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To a Bible verse like hot ass mess is on

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this phone.

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It's funny when you do what we do for a living,

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of course, with Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly

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Jennings and Exposed. Uh. When you do those things, you

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google a lot of off the wall stuff. And the

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reason you're doing that is you have to have your

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research together to tell your story. But if somebody doesn't

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know what you do and they get a hold to

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your Google history, holy smokes, this person's psycho. Yeah, Google,

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I research killers. I'm not one.

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I researched something the other day that I thought, damn,

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if someone ever gets the search history, this one's this

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one's weird. But it was kind of like when someone

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stabbed someone through a certain artery, what's typical bleedout time?

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You know?

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And I was like, wow, yeah, yeah.

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I'm telling you. I mean you just never know. So

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the wrap that up the show on Combs Trial. They're

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slating it to be anywhere between six and eight weeks total.

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We are wrapping up week one as we record this today,

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so they still got a long way to go, all right.

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So a woman pleads guilty to charges related to attempted

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kidnapping at a Baton Rouge hospital. And so the woman

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was charged in connection with the attempted kidnapping of a

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baby from our lady the Lake Children's Hospital, and she's

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taken a plea deal avoiding jail time. Dynasty Selman pled

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guilty to count two of unauthorized entry of a place

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for business or a place of business. Under those circumstances,

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she is on active supervised probation for three years. In addition,

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she's required to continue all of the following mental en

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psych treatment, engage in treatment and therapy, stay away from

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the hospital, effective decision making course, anger management, and fifty

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hours of community service, as well as maintaining employment or

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student status. Because in March of twenty twenty four, Selman,

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who was only twenty one years old at the time,

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was facing charges of attempted kids napping and seven counts

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of unauthorized entry of a business. According to baton Rouge's

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police Selman cased our lady the Lake Children's Hospital for weeks.

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Arrest documents reveal Selman fraudulently obtained a parent caregiver badge.

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Investigators say that the card allowed her to access certain

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floors and rooms of the hospital when she did not

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have a child. Court documents report that on February nineteenth

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and twentieth of twenty twenty four, Selman was seen on

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the hospital's security footage wearing a parent caregiver badge and

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the surgery wing of the hospital, which has restricted access.

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Jail records state the surgery wing is restricted to parents

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or caregivers with children undergoing surgery, or guests of children

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undergoing surgery. Police confirmed none of those roles applied to Selman.

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On the night of February twenty first, Selman allegedly rang

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the doorbell of the Pickew after visiting hours and told

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staff she was there to visit. The staff did not

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recognize her as one of the patient's parents and explained

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that visiting hours were over. The staff member reportedly recognized

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Selman and saw her slowly walking past each patient's room

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looking inside. The staff member told Selman that visiting hours

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were over and escorted her out of the restricted area

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and arrest report says that the next night, on February

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twenty second, she again rang the doorbell of the PICW

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and the same staff member granted her access to the

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wing and immediately recognized her from the previous night. The

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staff member asked her who she was there to visit,

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and Selman said she was there visiting her nephew, but

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could not provide a room number or name of the patient,

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and was observed pretending to make a phone call and

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then later walking off.

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And leaving the wing.

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While she was walking the floors of the hospital, she

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was able to find a room with a baby where

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the parents weren't present. So this baby is laying there,

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I guess I'll say unattended. I mean, I know the

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hospital's taking care of the child, but with no one

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there to give that extra set of eyes. And it

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was later learned that the baby was intensive care and

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the parents didn't live in Baton Rouge. That puts a

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fear in me that a stranger could just walk in

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on my baby who's in intensive care. Oh my god,

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an affidav it said February twenty ninth, Selman and her

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boyfriend went into the room with a nine month old

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patient that she did not know. Court documents say Selman

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told her boyfriend that the patient was her child, making

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him believe that he was the biological father. Police said

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Selman learned the child's medical history by reading the charts,

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so now she's taking taking hip hop protected information. On

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March first, the boyfriend became suspicious of the baby when

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he came to the hospital and saw the name on

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the door didn't match the name that Selman gave him.

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The boyfriend then told a family friend who's a nurse,

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and that's when police said the hospital learned that there

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was a security breach. Selman her boy boyfriend went back

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to the hospital with his family, where they were confronted

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by security. Selman was asked for her ID and was

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asked to leave the hospital after they retrieved her access card.

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More than two weeks later, she was arrested in Shreveport,

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and authorities did confirm that the child was never taken

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out of the room.

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But it's kind of got to beg the question here.

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You've searched it out.

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For weeks and then you look.

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You find a young, young child too, not a not

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a you know, a teenager or an older younger child

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if that makes sense, A baby, well.

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Either either way. I mean, even if it was an

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older child. You can't make that shit up. She actually

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went in the room and told her boyfriend that was

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her baby and his and his if he didn't break

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up with her, well, I mean that shit. You know,

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I can't wrap my mind around being dumb enough that

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my girlfriend, out of the clear blue sky says, oh,

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I had a baby. I mean, how, how the hell

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do you even wrap your head around what was going

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on in both of their minds. I don't blame him,

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and thank god he said something when he noticed the

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name on the door was wrong, But dude, did you

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buy that to begin with?

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Well, this is this is where my thoughts go.

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This was probably not a legitimate boyfriend girlfriend as I

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Were of like a convenience type of situations.

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then they didn't see each other for a while, and

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then she claimed she was pregnant had a baby, and

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now they're rekindling. So I think I understand where the

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judge went here that she didn't hurt Thank god, she

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didn't hurt the child, she didn't actually physically remove the child.

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I think this is beyond just being a weirdo. This

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has got to be mental health related in some fashion

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or form. Now, if it was my child, i'd be

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losing my mind. So it's easy for me to sit

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back and say, I understand where the judge was coming from.

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Here.

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Hopefully she'll get this mental health treatment. They will continue

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to monitor. I hope that there's a follow up plan

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here to monitor, a check back in procedure process, to

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ensure that something's being done.

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Because that's not normal. And the hospital.

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Let me tell you, I was actually at this same

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hospital in the last couple of years with the child,

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and I arrived by ambulance with the child, and so

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I didn't have my purse, I didn't have my ID,

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I didn't have anything. But because I came in the ambulance,

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obviously I was given access to what was going on. Well,

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I left and went outside to take a breather and

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just collect my thoughts, and when I went to go

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come back in, they would not let me in because

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I didn't have an ID, and I lost my mind.

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Because I'm like, I arrived here an ambulance, What do

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you want me to do? Pull a license out of

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my ass? And I understood the security measure, I completely

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for this type of reason. I understood the security measure.

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But it does make you wonder. I mean, I couldn't

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even get past the front door, and I arrived there

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with the child, right and she but she did steal

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a badge, I mean she did. This is beyond just

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not being where you're supposed to be. This type of

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person is scary to me. What was your long, long,

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long term.

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Goals hereid that that you know? And I don't know

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that to be one hundred percent fact, but I have

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a feeling that had it's given much noticed, the fact

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that the name was different on the door, I think

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at some point that was her plan. Why else would

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you make up this story that is so ridiculously obvious.

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There's some serious mental health issues here, and I would

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feel obligated as a judge that I want to make

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sure that you're getting some type of help here, because

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if this ever escalated into something else, that's when children

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are missing.

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Right, And we can allow that.

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I agree, Well, let's go to North Carolina rather South Carolina,

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and we're going to take you to our old friend

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Alec Murdall, or Elick as he's known by his friends.

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He just can't get out of the news.

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I did a thirty episode series on Murdall on Exposed

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candalist files of the Elite, and I discussed the possibility

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of this happening. It has happened. Becky Hill, who was

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the clerk of court in the murder trial. She has

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been arrested and then released from jail after posting bond

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this past week following her arrest for alleged misconduct during

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that trial. Now, the South Carolina Law Enforcement Division, which

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we all know has sled, on Wednesday afternoon announced that Hill,

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who is fifty seven, has been charged with obstructing justice

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and misconduct in Callington County and perjury in Richland County.

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She received a thirty thousand dollars bond in Collington a

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fifty thousand dollars bond in Richland. And these charges stem

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from a January twenty twenty four hearing in the South

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Carolina Supreme Court where Justice Jean Tull, a very well

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respected justice in South Carolina, ruled that a new trial

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was not necessary for Myrdal, who was convicted in the

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June twenty twenty one murders of his wife, Maggie is

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son Paul Mardall Heber requested a new hearing based on

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allegations of journey tampering involving Becky Hill. So the long

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in the short of this is charging documents stated that

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when Tull asked Becky Hill, quote, did you allow anyone

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from the press to view sealed exhibits? Hill responded no, ma'am,

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which is apparently inconsistent with evidence. It has been attained

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by sled Lewis and Hill said said Heill turned herself

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in Wednesday during a hearing in Collington County and she

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was booked into jail. She just got released. But here's

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the question to all of that, Marta aus in jail

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for the rest of his life. She is now charged

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with obstructing justice and misconduct in this trial, which is

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a pretty good argument that you didn't get a fair trial,

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especially when someone is criminally charged. Gene told last year

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that although she found that the Clerk court had committed

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some infractions during that trial, it did not rise to

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the extent that it would warrant a new trial. In

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other words, she was saying, even considering all of this tampering,

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it's still there's so much evidence here. It wouldn't have

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changed the verdict. See what happens. And you know Murderal's

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attorneys are pushing now for that to be looked at again.

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So hey, everyone, let me tell you about my good

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friend Kelly. She's a proud Louisiana high school teacher from

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right here in the Bayou State, and in twenty twenty two,

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she launched Unspeakable, a true crime podcast by Kelly Jennings.

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Armed with a master's degree in criminal justice, her vast

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experience in law enforcement, and her sassy, fiery attitude, Unspeakable

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has risen to one of the top true crime podcasts,

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and I am proud to say she is one of

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my dear friends. Kelly, sum up your podcast for me.

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On Unspeakable, I focus on the victims of the crimes

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and not the perpetrator. I want to be the victim's voice.

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That's why victims First is not just a slogan for me.

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It's much more than that, and it's why I launch

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the podcast. In every case I cover centers around that

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belief the victims matter. I draw from nearly two decades

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of experience in law enforcement to tell these stories. They

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So let's go to the Menindez brothers now and now

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they're eligible for parole after serving more than thirty years

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behind bars for the murder of their parents. So Eric

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and Laile Menndez will be eligible to leave prison after

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serving more than thirty years behind bars for the vicious

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nineteen eighty nine shotgun slayings of their parents, a.

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Los Angeles judge ruled.

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The judge reduced the sentences for the killer siblings, who

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are now fifty four and fifty seven, respectively, from life

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without parole to fifty years to life with the possibility

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of parole. It would now be up to the California

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Parole Board and Democratic Governor Gavin Newsom to decide if

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the brothers deserve freedom after they gunned down their wealthy parents,

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Jose and Kitty Menendez and their lavish Beverly Hills home

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on August twentieth of nineteen eighty nine, and at the

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end of Tuesday's hearing, both brothers gave emotional accounts of

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the murders, which they claimed came after years of sexual

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abuse by Jose with Kitty's help.

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My choices that night robbed my parents of their full lives,

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said Eric, who was only eighteen when he shot his parents.

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I can only imagine the fear, the pain, and the

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trauma it caused my family. His older brother echoed that

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same sentiment. I committed an atrocious act against two people

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who had the right to live my mom and dad,

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Lyle said, appearing to fight tears back as he said it.

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I take full respec responsibility for my choices. I was

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twenty one years old, and I believed I could fix

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what could not be fixed. Lawyers cross examined several witnesses

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at Tuesday's hearing, including family members and one former inmate,

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who all insisted Lyle and Eric had learned the error

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of their ways and had redeemed themselves in prison. The

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brother's cousin, Anna Maria Barrault, said that the pair had

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been universally forgiven by everybody in our family, insisting that

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they had been fully rehabilitated. I would welcome them into

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my home with my family, she said. Barrault added that

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should the brothers be granted parole, they planned to work

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as advocates for victims of sexual abuse. Deputy District Attorney

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Habib Balian argued that the brothers showed no insight to

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sticking to an absurd claim that they killed their parents

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in self defense after years of sexual abuse, but their lawyer,

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Mark Garrigos insisted the brothers have undergone full transformations. Garrigos

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highlighted prison hospice and green space programs spearheaded by Eric

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and Lyle, respectively. Rapper X rated fight about how the

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brothers had acted as his mentor when he was jailed

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for murder and guided him through his own parole process,

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helping him understand where and how he had gone wrong.

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He colloquially referred to the brother's mentorship of other inmates

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as Menendez University, but Bileon questioned Brown's remorse for his

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own crime and joked that the only thing he learned

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from the Menindez University was how to fool a parole board.

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In the end, Judge Michael just excided with Geragos, the

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family members and the brothers themselves who delivered emotional statements

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of remorse at the.

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End of the hearing.

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Now their fate lies with the state Attorney General and Newsom.

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The final hearing of that state parole Board has been

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scheduled for June thirteenth.

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And if you recognize the name, Mark Geergos, course celebrity

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attorney to the stars and his daughter is the one

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of the attorneys on the Sean Combe's case. Not only that,

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but Mark Gergoz is also an advisor. He's not an

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official attorney, but an advisor to Sean Combe's team. Tells

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you how powerful he is in life. Okay, hey, in

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this case, he's got these guys. What do you think?

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Okay, hey, A.

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Lot of people don't agree with me, but I stand

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on business on this one. I don't agree with that whatsoever.

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I don't think just because time has gone by that

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fixes what was done. I have followed this case extensively.

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I've done an episode on this one, and there was

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so much planning, preparation. They wanted them to die, they

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killed them, and I don't believe the older brother at

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all that he was sexually abused, not at all, not

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an ounce of it. Do I personally believe the younger brother.

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I'm a little more inclined, just because of body language

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and a whole lot of other things. I want to

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go down the whole path here, but we'll say that

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it didn't say you get parole. It said you're eligible

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for parole. And I've seen cases, because if you're not

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familiar with me, I worked at Angola, and I've seen

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cases of inmates that one hundred percent behind bars have

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done amazing things. Okay, they are part of that hospice program,

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they're part of these other programs that they put on

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that look good and make the heart feel good. However,

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those inmates aren't being given another chance. You know why,

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because you should have a good heart to begin with,

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and you get in these programs behind bars because you

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get more freedoms. I just don't buy this whole thing

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because I saw the crime scene photos, I saw the

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planning and the preparation, and that's flat out cold blooded

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murder what happened.

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And I don't think them an Indez brothers deny that.

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I think what they deny or what they're saying is

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they were molested and that's why they did it.

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I don't believe.

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I don't.

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I don't believe Lyle.

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Yeah, well, then that's a whole nother store.

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They went outside, reloaded their shotguns, and came back in,

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and while their mother was crawling underneath the table, already wounded,

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blew her away. Yeah, thirty five years means nothing to me.

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And I'm glad your family has forgiven you because time

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does aid in the grief process. But the accusation of

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the molestation was never a cold It was never like

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a slam dunk that this happened.

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It was never a slam dunk.

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It was an allegation that was brought up, just like

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Casey Anthony brought up the allegation of sexual abuse she

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walked and you know what all society knows about that.

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Yeah, great, there's nothing about it. I think in that case,

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just from what I can recall, there were allegations outside

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of just the Menindez brothers with molestation with that.

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Guy, which, hey, all of that may be true.

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I'm not saying that that isn't true, but I'm saying

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that these guys.

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Were old enough to walk away.

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00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.880
If your life was that bad, you're twenty fucking one

469
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:58.519
years old, walk out the door. But they wouldn't have

470
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.400
gotten the benefits kept that lifestyle when they when the

471
00:25:02.440 --> 00:25:04.480
police showed up. And I'm getting a little impassioned here,

472
00:25:04.480 --> 00:25:07.400
but when the police showed up after they blew two

473
00:25:07.920 --> 00:25:11.119
people away with shotguns, all they really asked was can

474
00:25:11.160 --> 00:25:13.000
we get our tennis rackets?

475
00:25:13.880 --> 00:25:18.359
Would have changed your opinion if there was one hundred

476
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:19.920
percent proof they were molested?

477
00:25:20.759 --> 00:25:26.240
Yes, okay, it would because then we have people acting

478
00:25:27.160 --> 00:25:30.359
in a manner where there's a build up over time,

479
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:33.559
and then I understand explosive behavior. Now would I still

480
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:38.279
have convicted them of one, but deny the murder? Right,

481
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:41.440
the sentencing would have been different, not the conviction. Let

482
00:25:41.440 --> 00:25:43.319
me say that, Hey, give us some feedback though, I mean,

483
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:46.119
maybe you do agree, maybe you disagree either way, that's

484
00:25:46.160 --> 00:25:49.039
the that's the conversation. You know, where do we stand

485
00:25:49.039 --> 00:25:49.279
on this?

486
00:25:49.440 --> 00:25:53.119
That's right? All right, We're gonna stay in California, I

487
00:25:53.160 --> 00:25:56.200
guess for this one. And who I hate these stories.

488
00:25:56.279 --> 00:26:00.319
A former sixth grade teacher has been sentenced to thirty

489
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:05.279
years to life in prison for sexually abusing two of

490
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:09.119
her young former students. Now her name is Jacqueline Ma

491
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:12.599
and she was named one of the Teachers of the Year.

492
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.640
This was in twenty twenty two. She taught at what's

493
00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:19.680
known as Lincoln Acres Elementary School in San Diego. She

494
00:26:19.880 --> 00:26:23.839
pleaded guilty in February to two counts of forcible loot

495
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.079
acts on a child, one count of loot act on

496
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:31.400
a child, and one count of possessing child sexual abuse.

497
00:26:32.160 --> 00:26:36.000
So Ma, who is thirty six, was arrested after a

498
00:26:36.240 --> 00:26:39.279
mother of one of her former students accused her of

499
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:44.319
sending inappropriate messages to her son. San Diego DA Summer

500
00:26:44.559 --> 00:26:48.279
Stevens said in a statement quote, the defendant violated the

501
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.440
trust she had with her students in the most extreme

502
00:26:51.480 --> 00:26:54.759
and traumatic way possible. Her victims will have to deal

503
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:57.559
with a lifetime of negative effects and her thirty year

504
00:26:57.599 --> 00:27:01.920
sentence as appropriate. DA stated in a press release that

505
00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:04.960
Ma groomed one of her minor students for more than

506
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.599
a year before performing sexual acts on him at the

507
00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:12.319
age of twelve. After the boy's parents didn't allow him

508
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:16.039
to have social media or electronics, Ma set up an

509
00:27:16.160 --> 00:27:21.240
unsanctioned after school program and directed him to communicate with

510
00:27:21.279 --> 00:27:26.240
her through a school chat application. The sex abuse continued

511
00:27:26.680 --> 00:27:29.880
in the classroom for three months while the boy's parents

512
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:35.039
were unaware. In twenty twenty, sexually assaulted another boy, who

513
00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:38.240
was eleven at the time. She continued to groom both

514
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:42.759
young boys with gifts, food, and special attention. She eventually

515
00:27:42.839 --> 00:27:46.039
gained the trust of the parents with her reputation and

516
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:51.720
personal investment in their academic development. She began teaching at

517
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:55.400
Lincoln Acres High School. This was in twenty thirteen, and

518
00:27:55.440 --> 00:27:59.400
she was actually named by the San Diego County Office

519
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:02.279
of Education and as the Teacher of the Year in

520
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:06.839
twenty twenty two. And look, San Diego big school district there,

521
00:28:06.920 --> 00:28:10.599
You're not talking about one or two three major schools

522
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.720
in that district. You're talking hundreds of schools in that district.

523
00:28:14.799 --> 00:28:19.079
So a standout teacher from a respect level, it sounds like.

524
00:28:19.599 --> 00:28:23.559
Following her arrest in twenty twenty three, prosecutors alleged that

525
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:27.960
ma sent explicit images to the student and coerced him

526
00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:32.039
to send explicit videos back. The judge said in court

527
00:28:32.119 --> 00:28:36.279
before sentencing that the former teacher was protected from scrutiny

528
00:28:36.799 --> 00:28:40.519
due to her status as that teacher. Of the year.

529
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.000
Ma also addressed her crimes in court, saying, quote, I

530
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:49.880
disgraced the teaching profession, abused my authority, exerted my power

531
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:52.920
and control over them, and deceived them. I ripped away

532
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:57.160
their childhood. And the senacing comes after my pleaded guilty

533
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:01.680
to all of those allegations in February.

534
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:05.200
And I I'm of the opinion that she did this

535
00:29:05.279 --> 00:29:08.319
on purpose, okay, because if you have kids whose parents

536
00:29:08.319 --> 00:29:10.680
are have taken away their electronics so the parents think

537
00:29:10.680 --> 00:29:12.960
that they are controlling any type of social media or

538
00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:17.599
online or content communication, now she's got a victim that

539
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:19.640
the parents aren't going to be checking up because they

540
00:29:19.640 --> 00:29:20.480
think they've taken it.

541
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:21.960
And you got to think devius.

542
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:24.119
To catch Devius like this, then you're going to set

543
00:29:24.200 --> 00:29:26.240
up that after school program, which by the way, it

544
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:29.440
does say is unsand you know was not allowed. Then

545
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:34.039
that's just a problem. And they're twelve, that's another thing.

546
00:29:34.279 --> 00:29:42.599
Eleven twelve years old. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting. And I want

547
00:29:42.599 --> 00:29:45.960
to tell any parent out there about this. School districts

548
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:48.119
and I know the one that I work for specifically

549
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.200
has a policy in place that there is to be

550
00:29:50.319 --> 00:29:54.519
zero communication between a teacher and a child through their

551
00:29:54.680 --> 00:29:57.519
cell phone. It should always be going through a third

552
00:29:57.599 --> 00:30:02.599
party that is a monitored communication, either website or.

553
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:04.359
We used to have a thing called Remind.

554
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:06.559
It's a remind app which parents can log into and

555
00:30:06.599 --> 00:30:09.160
they can see you get parents access to it.

556
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:13.359
And in this case, she was using a school chat application.

557
00:30:13.680 --> 00:30:16.920
Well that was flying under the radar.

558
00:30:18.519 --> 00:30:20.799
Yeah, they just di can catch it. No one sits

559
00:30:20.799 --> 00:30:21.440
there and reads them.

560
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:23.000
No, I mean, but this is going to give us

561
00:30:23.000 --> 00:30:24.559
the proof that we need, which is the point. But

562
00:30:24.839 --> 00:30:26.880
I understand sometimes when the kids are older and they're

563
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:28.839
in high school, maybe the coaches will say we'll text

564
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:30.599
and say, hey, we're meeting here instead of the track,

565
00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:32.799
you know, a group type message.

566
00:30:33.000 --> 00:30:34.839
But I would never be okay.

567
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:36.599
With a one on one with a teacher or any

568
00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:40.119
adult for that matter, texting my child that is young,

569
00:30:41.279 --> 00:30:45.240
and it not be for legitimized purposes. You know. Even

570
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.519
whenever on school campus, if a male student came into

571
00:30:48.559 --> 00:30:50.680
my classroom, they would shut the door, like if they

572
00:30:50.680 --> 00:30:52.160
were going to make up a test, I'd say, go

573
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.759
open that door. Yeah, just because that's just the way

574
00:30:55.759 --> 00:30:57.119
the world should work, I.

575
00:30:57.480 --> 00:31:02.759
Agree, And that's sick in in this case. You see

576
00:31:02.759 --> 00:31:05.599
this a lot, and I have a whole series called

577
00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:09.000
Bad Teachers, and I cover these cases. It is an

578
00:31:09.079 --> 00:31:13.279
absolute epidemic right now. But I'll say something about this.

579
00:31:13.279 --> 00:31:17.480
This case is not the norm. This chick actually got

580
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:22.640
what she deserved. Thirty years to life. Yeah, most get probation.

581
00:31:23.559 --> 00:31:26.160
And I'm not kidding you go listen to that series

582
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:30.039
if you don't believe me. Most of these female teachers

583
00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:33.680
get very little time, a couple of years, a slap

584
00:31:33.720 --> 00:31:37.200
on the wrist, because especially when it deals with high school,

585
00:31:37.240 --> 00:31:40.519
which I suspect this kid was twelve in the sixth grade,

586
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.680
so it was probably viewed a little more serious. But

587
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:47.640
when you're talking ninth, tenth, eleventh grader grade boys and

588
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.480
it's a female teacher, an attractive teacher, in a lot

589
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:55.200
of cases it is not punished as it should. And

590
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:57.480
I think that's why it's such an epidemic.

591
00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:00.599
And that tearful apology if I was a child's parent

592
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:01.759
means nothing to me.

593
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:03.759
I agree, nothing.

594
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:06.400
Stay the hell away from the kids. Now, let me

595
00:32:06.400 --> 00:32:07.960
tell you something else you ought to stay the hell

596
00:32:08.000 --> 00:32:10.759
away from. And that's going to be a kangaroo all right,

597
00:32:11.160 --> 00:32:14.000
cause we're going to South Carolina. The brother of a

598
00:32:14.039 --> 00:32:17.119
South Carolina petting zoo owner was apparently beaten to death

599
00:32:17.160 --> 00:32:20.799
by a kangaroo after possibly going into the aussy animal's

600
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:22.880
pen to quote unquote rough house with it.

601
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:25.319
Eric Slat's body was Sue Smart Yeah.

602
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:29.079
Eric Slat's body was discovered inside the facility just before

603
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:33.200
midnight on Friday night at five Star Farm near Loris,

604
00:32:33.200 --> 00:32:36.200
about thirty miles north of Myrtle Beach. Slate, who was

605
00:32:36.240 --> 00:32:38.759
fifty two, had a history of stepping into the kangaroo

606
00:32:38.799 --> 00:32:41.799
enclosure and rough housing with it. The kangaroo was still

607
00:32:41.839 --> 00:32:44.160
in its enclosure at the family owned farm when Slat's

608
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.640
body was found. The farm recently posted a picture of

609
00:32:46.640 --> 00:32:50.039
a large red kangaroo named mister Jack, adding he loves

610
00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:52.960
next scratches and will take treats from your hands. It's

611
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:55.720
not clear which animal killed Slate, but he was found

612
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.759
with multiple blunt force injuries. Adult male red kangaroos can

613
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:02.720
weigh nearly two hundred pounds and grow up to five

614
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:06.559
foot eleven inches tall, with powerful feet for kicking. In

615
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:09.720
twenty twenty two, an elderly man was kicked by his

616
00:33:09.759 --> 00:33:12.720
pet kangaroo in Western Australia, but that was believed to

617
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:15.039
be the first time arou killed a person in nearly

618
00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:18.599
ninety years in the country. Five Star Farm offers an

619
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:23.319
interactive pettings do with exotic animals, including camels, wallabies, and kangaroos.

620
00:33:23.519 --> 00:33:26.480
Owner Robert Slate Road on Facebook, please keep my family

621
00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:29.119
in your thoughts in prayers. The kangaroo is not aggressive

622
00:33:29.160 --> 00:33:31.839
and has not been euthanized cause, he added, it's not

623
00:33:31.880 --> 00:33:32.839
an aggressive animal.

624
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.680
It's very sad. It's not the animal's fault. He said.

625
00:33:35.920 --> 00:33:38.079
Experts are coming in this week to ensure the enclosure

626
00:33:38.119 --> 00:33:40.599
is safe and that the animal is okay. South Carolina

627
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:42.839
has some of the loosest restrictions in the US on

628
00:33:42.880 --> 00:33:45.480
the ownership of exotic animals, and it is one of

629
00:33:45.519 --> 00:33:48.599
only three states where kangaroo ownership isn't prohibited.

630
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:52.079
Wow, and let me tell you something. Kangaroos are no

631
00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.079
freaking joke. Kangaroos are bowed up.

632
00:33:55.119 --> 00:33:55.319
Man.

633
00:33:55.480 --> 00:33:57.319
You see some of them kangaroos and look I met.

634
00:33:57.359 --> 00:33:59.920
We got a lot of awesy people that listen are

635
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:03.960
shows and they know this first hand. They got biceps

636
00:34:04.000 --> 00:34:05.920
bigger than Mike Tayson and their abs.

637
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:08.360
I saw one head button and bumping into a mirror

638
00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:09.519
and long claw.

639
00:34:09.679 --> 00:34:13.519
Yes, they will tear you up. I saw a video

640
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:16.760
on it might have been YouTube or something, but a

641
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.000
kangaroo had a.

642
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:20.840
Dog headlin the river or a lake or something.

643
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.320
No, this was in a yard. He had the dog

644
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:28.159
in a headlock and he was basically beating that dog's ass,

645
00:34:28.280 --> 00:34:32.519
and the homeowner went up and literally they went fisticuffs

646
00:34:32.880 --> 00:34:36.039
right there, and the homeowner punched the room in the

647
00:34:36.119 --> 00:34:37.880
face in the room hopped off.

648
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:39.480
That's what I saw. But it was in a It

649
00:34:39.519 --> 00:34:40.440
was trying to drown this.

650
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:43.000
Guy's dog in like a like a waterway, and he

651
00:34:43.079 --> 00:34:46.719
squared up and he punched it and the kangaroo's flabbers

652
00:34:46.719 --> 00:34:48.880
were gased. I mean, he was just flabbergas that the kangaroo.

653
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.320
He looked back at the man like, I know, you

654
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:53.639
didn't just punch my ass. But the dog ran off

655
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:55.599
and the man got out the water. But this is

656
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.920
this is the thing about animals that's a wild animal,

657
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:00.320
regardless of whether it's been domesticated or not.

658
00:35:01.079 --> 00:35:06.119
And that I am I just miss pick up wilder.

659
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.400
You would have a ruin a heartbeat.

660
00:35:09.480 --> 00:35:12.960
Listen, But I would also not keep it as an adult,

661
00:35:13.039 --> 00:35:15.480
I might save it, put a cast on its leg

662
00:35:15.480 --> 00:35:16.400
and feed it a strawberry.

663
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:18.639
But then you go, you going on your way.

664
00:35:18.760 --> 00:35:21.400
But I watched video of this man, and I'm sorry

665
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:23.760
that he's deceased, and that's terrible, but I watched it.

666
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:26.519
I watched some video of him going in the pen

667
00:35:26.639 --> 00:35:28.519
and he liked he did, he liked kind of slap

668
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:30.119
in rough house with it to try to make it

669
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:31.480
kind of box back with him.

670
00:35:31.639 --> 00:35:32.239
Yeah, and I.

671
00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:35.440
Probably am going to say that this animal was instigated.

672
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.320
And I think any gentle person, even you push him enough,

673
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:41.400
they're capable of fighting back.

674
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:43.159
And I think that's just what happened here.

675
00:35:43.840 --> 00:35:45.719
Horrible situation with that.

676
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:47.679
It made me think they real quick about the you know,

677
00:35:47.760 --> 00:35:51.159
the whole one ape versus one hundred men argument?

678
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:52.239
Have you seen that?

679
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.639
So everyone's like, what would win one one gorilla or

680
00:35:57.159 --> 00:35:59.159
versus one hundred men? And people are either saying the

681
00:35:59.159 --> 00:36:02.159
gorilla or the men. And so I started thinking about

682
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:04.920
that here, and I'm like, if a kangaroo can kill

683
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.039
you in one powerful shred you.

684
00:36:09.360 --> 00:36:11.960
It'd grab you and with no effort rip your arm

685
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:13.159
off the shoulder.

686
00:36:12.960 --> 00:36:14.800
And the other ninety nine behind you.

687
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.039
Yeah. I went to a zoo one time. They have

688
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:19.679
one in the Louisiana that you can actually get close

689
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:22.239
to the animals used to being laughy at. I don't

690
00:36:22.239 --> 00:36:24.679
know if it's still open, But went to this zoo

691
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:28.719
and they had a silver back gorilla. And this silverback

692
00:36:28.719 --> 00:36:31.639
gorilla would be like almost NICs to names. But it

693
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:34.280
was like is this legal? But it was cool. But

694
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:38.199
let me tell you that silverback gorilla was a monster.

695
00:36:38.559 --> 00:36:43.000
And they are so powerful. It could grab me with

696
00:36:43.079 --> 00:36:45.320
its finger. And I'm not a little guy. It could

697
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:47.840
rip my arm completely off in about two seconds.

698
00:36:48.199 --> 00:36:50.039
They're not to play with hands down.

699
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:53.920
So some of them animals. It's graduation time, not just

700
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.760
for college though. High schools are graduating all over the country.

701
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.239
And if you're a mom or a dad and you're

702
00:37:00.280 --> 00:37:04.239
graduating that high school senior right now, they're gonna some

703
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.960
of them are gonna be going off to college. Now.

704
00:37:07.039 --> 00:37:10.039
There's some crimes that you may want to warn them

705
00:37:10.079 --> 00:37:13.119
about in their college years. And I have the ten

706
00:37:13.239 --> 00:37:18.760
most common crimes that college students are arrested for. And

707
00:37:19.039 --> 00:37:21.599
so I'm gonna see if kJ how many of these

708
00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:24.599
she can actually rattle off. And I'm gonna cross them

709
00:37:24.679 --> 00:37:28.119
off as she does it. So give me the ten

710
00:37:28.280 --> 00:37:31.719
most common student offenses that you can think of, all right.

711
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I would start with minor and possession, under age drinking,

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something like that, Okay, I would go trespassing.

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I would say, probably some vandalism.

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I don't know if drunk driving would would count there,

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but I don't know if that's if that would be

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necessarily a top one fighting.

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So assault outside the bars.

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M I would say, like drunken, disorderly type stuff I

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would think would be on there live on campus.

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I mean there's curfew.

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You've gotten four, right, See, disorderly conduct is number one.

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Underage drinking is number two, possession of marijuana, oh yeah,

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