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Sept. 3, 2026

Crime Wire Weekly 9/4/26 | Times Square Stabbing, Tupac Trial Verdict, Murder For Hire Plot

Crime Wire Weekly 9/4/26 | Times Square Stabbing, Tupac Trial Verdict, Murder For Hire Plot
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Season 11

Jim Chapman and Kelly Jennings bring you the crime headlines from around the United States for this week!

Timestamps
08:00 Louisiana Crime Crackdown. (Legislative Session Review)
12:00 Florida Authorities Recover 163 Missing Children.
16:00 40,000 Pounds of Beer Goes Missing. (They Stole What)
21:00 Lyft Driver Stabbed 11 Times.
26:22 Times Square Stabbing Update.
31:11 Tupac Murder Trial-Keefe D Found Guilty.
37:44 Wisconsin Stalker Collected Human Remains.
43:45 Florida Man Convicted In Murder For Hire Plot.
46:13 Baton Rouge Man Arrested for 2nd Time on Video Voyeurism Charges.
OVERTIME
50:00 Louisiana’s Herman Harris Case Comes to Conclusion.
54:02 Empire State Building Couple Appears In Court.

Kelly Jennings is host of “Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings” https://open.spotify.com/show/3n7BUzKRtMhAEuIuu7f031?si=c98fcf5b7e6848c8
Jim Chapman is host of “Exposed: Scandalous Files of the Elite” https://open.spotify.com/show/3ePQYSPp5oSPDeue8otH1n?si=39142df6e0ed4f77

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Hey, everyone. Welcome back to Crime Wire Weekly. A little

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look at the topics we're going to be covering today quickly.

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Louisiana crime crackdown. We're going to be reviewing the legislative

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session as it relates to crime. All of that has

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just come out in Louisiana. We'll do a quick review

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of that. In Florida, authorities have recovered 163 missing children

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in in a statewide sting that involves several departments. We're

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going to cover that. 40 pounds of beer goes missing.

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Have you been around a lot of beer lately, Jim?

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Well, it wouldn't. It ain't the type of beer I drink,

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but we'll get into that. A Lyft driver has been

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stabbed 11 times. We'll talk about that story. We're going

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to have a Labor Day weekend safety guide for you

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since you're hearing this just prior to Labor Day. In

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Times Square, a stabbing is making all the news. Horrific

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event occurred there in New York. We're going to be

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covering that. Tupac's murder trial has come to an end.

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Kifidi was found guilty. We'll be bringing you all those details.

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In Wisconsin, a stalker has collected some human remains that

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you may not expect. So we're going to be covering

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that story. Got a whole lot more coming your way.

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I'm Jim Chapman.

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And I'm Kelli Jennings.

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And Kelli? I guess you're ready to get into it.

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Let's be honest, Jim. Before we walked in here, Jim

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and I had one.

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Of our weekly disagreements. If you tell Kelly anything that

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means anything, it's a big argument to her. If you

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don't agree with her 100%, that's it.

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No, it was a spat. See, we can't even agree

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about disagreeing.

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That's true. That's a fact. All right, let's just get

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into the stories for today. How about we do that?

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And the 2026 session has come to an end in

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the state of Louisiana. And a lot of new crime

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bills have been passed and introduced. And we're going to

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get into the ones that really, I guess, matter and

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kind of stand out. The first is Act 309. That

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is the Caleb Wilson Hazing Prevention Act. And We talked

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a little bit about hazing and how some laws have

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been changed on that. This one is going to require

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that every student in Louisiana receive information on the dangers

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and prohibition of hazing.

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I wonder how they're going to implement that, if that's

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going to be like a web-based training that they have

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to do, or is this going to be like actual

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discussion of how kids, you know, how these things come

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to be and how people get wrapped up into it?

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I'd be curious to know.

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I think it's just going to be a handout. I

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don't think it's going to be like a web-based thing.

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I think they're going to give them like a booklet

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that says you shouldn't force someone to drink alcohol before

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they join a frat.

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Well, you know, people may disagree with me, but I

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hope that's not all it is because nobody's going to

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read that. No young person is going to want to

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read all of that. It's obvious that you're not supposed

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to like force drinks on somebody. I think what should

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be more in the information towards the kids is that

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when you find yourself on the receiving end of something

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like this, You need to have tools to be able

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to avoid being caught up in a hazing situation. Not

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that it's the victim or potential victim's fault that this

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is happening, but I think peer pressure, when someone feels

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like they're in a power position over you, I think

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that you're more inclined to go along with it if

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you're wanting to get into a fraternity or something like that.

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All right. There you have it. Act 539, Teacher Shield Act,

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requires principals to suspend from school a student formerly accused

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of committing a battery or assault of a school employee.

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That includes off-campus incidents if continuing from a documented altercation

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on campus, and it provides for the use of sick

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leave for those teachers.

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Yeah, and they should. Obviously, something happened for that to

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be now, you know, something we're putting into law. And

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it should extend outside of the classroom because why would

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you have motive to go attack your teacher?

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Right.

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That's uncalled for. It's ridiculous that we even have to

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make that a law.

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All right. Act 120 creates a crime of second-degree cruelty

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to the elderly or persons with infirmities and provides for

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circumstances constituting first- and second-degree murder in When the victim

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is in a public place and the offender creates a

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risk of death or great bodily harm by rather two,

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three or more persons.

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So am I understanding that correctly? Because it's having to

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do with infirmities, correct? So you have people that are

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being cared for.

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Or the elderly.

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Or the elderly.

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So the definition of elderly is not what you would think.

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65 or older would be what I think.

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60? 60. Wow. So I'm eight years from being considered elderly.

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So if you come with my ass in eight years,

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you're getting some serious charges. It basically enhances the crime

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is what it does.

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You shouldn't be hitting me.

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And I think that's great.

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I do too. I like it. I think it's good.

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But I will be trying to hit you for the

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next few years until that date.

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Act 271 prohibits post-conviction bail for a defendant who is

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convicted of aggravated offenses against a victim who is a minor.

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It does what? Say it again.

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You want me to repeat it? Yeah.

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What did you say? A veil. What did you say?

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No, I said Act 271 prohibits post-conviction bail for a

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defendant who is convicted of aggravated offense against a victim

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who is a minor. So basically what that means is.

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for those that are struggling to follow that one, is

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if you are a minor, okay, and someone gets convicted

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of an aggravated offense against you, they don't get post-conviction bail.

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So you can get bail pending sentencing. So you can

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actually spend time in jail, and then you get found guilty,

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but they're like, oh, we'll let him out until his

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sentencing date. You don't get that option here. Act 185

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requires an online app provider to verify a person's age

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to create an account if a minor and they must

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have parental consent before a minor can download an app

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or make a purchase.

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Absolutely. That's a no brainer. Now, how they're going to

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enforce that, I'll be curious to know, because if it's

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put in your license or something, your kid goes and

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steals your license and inputs it for you. I mean,

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but I'm glad it's there.

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I'm glad it's there.

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It's a safety measure. I mean, certainly, Kelly, there's ways

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around every one of these laws. But I mean, they're

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safety measures.

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I'm glad. It's holding them accountable. So they're not preying

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on children to freely be able to get on their

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sites or whatever.

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Act 211 prohibits the use of AI to create child

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sex abuse materials.

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That should be. That 100% should be. That's disgusting.

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Act 552 in the Kids Online Prevention and Anti-Grooming Act

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defines a minor as a person under 18, provides for

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other restrictions on platform owners and operators.

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That's good. I mean, we've got the grooming laws in

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place now, and it should extend to online platforms and

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everything else. I mean, I think all of these are good.

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So let's go to Florida now, and this one's huge.

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So Florida Attorney General James Uthmeyer and the Florida Department

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of Law Enforcement announced that a five-day multi-agency effort known

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as Operation Statewide Shield located 163 missing children ranging in

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age from two months to 17 years. How does that

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even happen? You're two months old and you go missing.

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Wow.

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So officials called it the first state-led statewide child recovery

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initiative and the largest operation of its kind in Florida history.

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Investigators used real-time intelligence and field work to identify, find,

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and recover children listed as missing and then move them

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quickly into child-focused services. Many of these kids have been

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victimized by those who prey on the most vulnerable. Thanks

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to the outstanding work of FDLE, the Office of Statewide Prosecution,

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And our state and local partners, these children are now

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safe and receiving the care they deserve. Florida will continue

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leading the recovery of missing children, hunting down every predator

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and prosecuting abusers to the fullest extent of the law.

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FDLE Commissioner Mark Glass said that the operation showed what

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coordinated agencies can do with a single mission, find the

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children and bring them home. Regional recoveries inside Florida, as

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reported by officials, 46 children from Tampa Bay, 41 in Miami,

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32 in Jacksonville. 21 from Orlando, 12 in Fort Myers,

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8 in Pensacola, and 3 in Tallahassee. The same effort

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also produced recoveries in six other states plus one U.S. territory.

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This is Alabama, California, Ohio, New York, North Carolina, Tennessee,

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and Puerto Rico, and also in 12 countries including Brazil, Canada, Colombia, Dominica, Finland, Ghana, Guatemala, Italy, Jamaica, Mexico, Spain,

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and Taiwan. So all over the map. Authorities said many

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of the children had faced abuse, neglect, exploitation, or other

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criminal activity, including human trafficking. Once found, children who needed

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help were taken to local or by local officers to

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designated recovery hubs. They then received support from social services, welfare,

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child welfare, staff, medical providers, victim advocates, and other child-centered resources.

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Partners included BayCare Behavioral Health and other nonprofits. Investigators closed

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each case in Florida's missing endangered persons. Information Clearinghouse. Custody

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then shifted to the Florida Department of Children and Families

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and the Florida Department of Juvenile Justice. Now, officials said

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multiple arrests were made and more were expected. The Attorney

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General's Office described three defendants, one wanted on three counts

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of lewd and lascivious acts where a minor was with

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a minor, plus a warrant for interference with child custody,

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another charge with lewd and lascivious battery on a victim

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aged 12 to 16, and a third charge with interference

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with child custody and resisting officers without violence. Local agencies

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included the Jacksonville Sheriff's Office and Lee County Sheriff's Office

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were among those involved. The Office of Statewide Prosecution and

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the Miami-Dade State Attorney's Office said that they were taking

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three felony cases generated by the operation and additional investigations

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remain open. FDLE led the effort with Rita Peters, special

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counsel to the attorney general for human trafficking, serving as

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legal advisor. Planners drew on earlier U.S. Marshals-led operations in Florida,

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and this was Operation Dragon Eye, which I like that,

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which recovered 60 missing children in 2025, and Operation Home

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for the Holidays, which found more than 120. Partners included

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a ton of organizations. There were municipal police departments, federal agencies,

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13 sheriff's offices, and more. The success of Operation State

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statewide shield reaffirms what partnership can accomplish when the government,

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faith organizations, not-for-profits, and the private sector come together. DJJ

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Secretary Matt Walsh said the work was not only about

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locating children, but keeping support in place afterward.

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I mean, that's great.

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That's a ton of children.

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I'm with it.

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I wonder sometimes when I go in Walmart and, you know,

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I look at those signs when I'm walking by that say, like,

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missing since, and they have their ages and their pictures.

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I'm wondering how many of those kids locally are the

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ones that had been moved off to Florida in these

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local states. Who knows? 163 children. I mean, that's like

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a whole grade in a school or something. 163 kids

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is a ton. I think five days' time, 163 kids, unbelievable.

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Unbelievable. I think that, you know, that's what it takes

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to really make a difference like they made here is

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task force, working together. That's why it's so important that

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these law enforcement agencies share this information. That's been a

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problem for a long time. And, you know, everywhere is

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the fact that law enforcement agencies used to not be

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as open about sharing information with other agencies. We had

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serial killers. running around this area for years. And because

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agencies weren't communicating with each other very well, you know,

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I'm not blaming anybody. Everybody wanted to catch these serial killers.

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But had information been freely shared and task force existed

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a lot earlier, maybe some of that could have been avoided.

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So anytime you have these operations where multiple agencies get together,

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you're going to see good results like that.

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I sure hope that they share information. With other agencies

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from different states, how they did what they did, they

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can replicate it, improve it. And then this could just

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be a national outreach, you know, because these kids are

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traveling across state lines and we really could solve this.

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I really appreciate my tax dollars in general being applied

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to something like this. Bringing kids home is something that

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you can never put a price on.

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I agree.

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That's excellent.

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All right. Let's run a little segment here called They

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Stole What?

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They Stole What? What? Oh, wait. What did they steal?

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I'm sorry I messed that up.

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I knew it was going to happen. Well, this time

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they stole about 40,000 pounds of Pabst Blue Ribbon beer.

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You don't drink Blue Ribbon?

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Hell no. Why?

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What is your beer?

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It's gross. It's horse piss. I quit drinking that when

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I started making more than minimum wage, I guess. I

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don't know. But I don't drink Natty Light's. And I

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don't drink Pabst Blue Ribbon.

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Well, Natty Light is a high school. It's just my opinion.

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I'm sure people love it.

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It was a high school gold standard to get you

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a pack of that.

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Oh, I ain't saying I ain't never drank it, just

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since I made more minimum wage.

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Look, I'm a neutral and a high noon girl myself.

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Yeah, well, when I could step up to a brand

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name beer, a more brand name beer, I did. But

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roughly 20,000 tons valued by police at about $ 25, 000 has

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disappeared from Anheuser-Busch's distribution center. This is in Montclair, California. Now,

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the company has turned the theft into a public hunt,

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complete with a countdown, a reward, and a plea to

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whoever took the beer. Police say the beer was not

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grabbed in your typical smash and go. Imagine that, 40,000 pounds?

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I wouldn't think so. A purported subcontracting company used fraudulent

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paperwork to arrange a pickup. This was at 11 a.m.

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that day. Investigators are treating the incident as one of

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two similar cargo thefts at the same warehouse that morning.

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An hour earlier, around 10 a.m., a separate shipment valued

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at $ 45, 000 inbound for Tucson, Arizona, was picked up and

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never arrived at its destination. Combined losses are estimated at

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around $ 70, 000. Police say information given about the trucking company, driver,

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and vehicles contain discrepancies. The department has been blunt about

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one point on PAP's social media. It said, but no

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trucks were stolen, just the cargo inside. A Los Angeles

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review of an original police report described 40,000-pound haul as

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860 cases of 15 packs of 25-ounce Pabst Blue Ribbon,

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546 cases of 30 packs of 12-ounce Pabst Blue Ribbon,

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and 196 cases of old Milwaukee 12-ounce non-alcoholic That's the

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most shocking part. It wasn't even the alcoholic version. That's funny. 1,602 cases,

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nearly 34,000 cans plus pallets and packing. The marketing director

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for Pabst has separately described the missing load as about 14,000.

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I'm not going to go through all those numbers, but

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his were a little bit different. Myers said a bad

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actor posed as a person who was supposed to collect

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the beer and they basically drove off with it. He

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said Pats would pay the cash equivalent of half the

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beer's value if the letters returned intact, which tells you

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how much their markup is. Most company posts have not

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named a dollar figure. On August 21st, the brand posted

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a stolen graphic and addressed the thief directly. To the thief,

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we don't fault you for wanting to brag to your

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friends how much Pats Blue Ribbon you have. We just

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wish you had obtained it in an honorable way. It

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then started the clock. Pabst is officially starting the clock. Now,

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you have exactly 18 days, 44 minutes to return our

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truckload of beer. We won't ask questions. Leading up to

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that time, we're offering an award to anyone who can

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help us solve this mystery. P.S. This is real and

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we are deadly serious. Four days later, it posted again.

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Beer is getting warmer. Trail is getting colder. Clock is ticking.

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If you think you saw our truckload of beer, snap

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a photo and tag us or DM us with any

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info on its whereabouts. And a company said that a

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company representative said PAPS is working with lower local authorities

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and is grateful for all their hard work.

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And in unrelated news, hospitals show an uptick in horrible

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hangovers from beer. Right. Right? So, look, I think they're

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genius for the way that they're marketing the theft and

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that they're trying to basically devalue their product is what

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it is. Because if someone tries to go offload a

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ton of it, then someone will know. They'll turn them in. So,

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I think that's pretty smart. I like it. And it

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does show the markup on it. But for this issue,

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person or persons, these bad actors, to know that a

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shipment was to be picked up. It's just screaming inside job.

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Someone knew that that load was supposed to be picked up.

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Someone was able to manufacture an invoice or whatever the

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paperwork was to make it look the same. And I

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have a feeling something internally will come out about this.

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Maybe not those who picked it up, but how they

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got the ability to do it.

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All right.

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You and I go off, I think, every single episode

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about you don't like Uber or Marketplace. You don't like

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people buying on Marketplace. And I don't like.

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I don't like people buying on... I mean, I don't

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have a problem. I don't like people meeting strangers in

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strange areas.

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Well, I don't like the fact that we get in

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cars with strangers. That's why I don't take Ubers or

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Lyfts and all that.

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So.

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This is going to go to South Carolina, where a

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Greenville County judge has again refused bond for a 22-year-old

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woman accused of ordering a Lyft ride, stabbing the driver

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11 times— And driving off in his vehicle.

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So that's the opposite of what you just said. It is.

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But either way, that's why I wouldn't do that rideshare

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service because I don't want to put strangers in my car.

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I mean, it goes both ways. Naziah Lanay Weatherall must

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remain in jail until a psychological evaluation is scheduled for September.

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The attack happened on the afternoon of April 22nd of

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26 near an apartment complex in Greenville, South Carolina. According

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to the Greenville County Sheriff's Office, Weatherall requested a ride

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that she intended to take to a police station. When

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the driver arrived, authorities say she stabbed him repeatedly, including

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in the head, then stole his car and fled. A

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passerby found the driver with a visible head wound near

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a Circle K around 2.30 in the afternoon. Deputies treated

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him at the scene and took him to a hospital.

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He spent time in intensive care and and about two

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days in the hospital before being released. His name has

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not been made public. Weatherall was arrested later the same day.

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She faces charges that include attempted murder, carjacking involving bodily injury,

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also described in court and arrest records as armed robbery

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and carjacking, and possession of a weapon during a violent crime.

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She has been held at the Greenville County Detention Center

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since the arrest. At a hearing on Friday, August 28th,

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prosecutors called the facts frightening and argued Weatherall poses an

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extreme danger to the public. The victim was simply just

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trying to do his job and was stabbed 11 times,

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the solicitor said. Not only was he stabbed 11 times,

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his car was then taken by this defendant. The driver's

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wife spoke because she said her husband was still too

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physically and emotionally shaken to appear himself. The alleged conduct

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was extremely violent, she told the court. The person was attacked,

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the person attacked vehemently with a knife, resulting in 11

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stab wounds to multiple areas of his body. That demonstrates

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a level of violence that is deeply concerning for public safety.

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She added, what concerns us most is that happened while

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my husband was simply working. He was not looking for

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any confrontation. He was providing a service to a person.

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If this level of violence could happen to someone who

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was simply doing his job, We are concerned about potential

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risks to other people in our community. Weatherall's attorney said

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she had no prior criminal record and was in a

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severe mental health crisis. The defense cited diagnoses including schizophrenia

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and said she was in the grip of delusions, believing

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she was being attacked, listening to, under attack, or listened

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to she was under attack and being trafficked. Counsel said

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she ordered the lift to reach a police station and

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report those fears and that her mother called the station

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to say she was on her way. During that, the

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crisis got worse, the attorney said. She was undergoing a

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delusion in which she believed she was being trafficked and panicked.

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The Greenville County Sheriff's Office has repeatedly or separately said

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investigators believe she was having a mental health episode at

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the time and that there was little conversation between her

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and the driver. The defense asked that she be released

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so family and social workers could place her in a

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treatment facility, saying she has since been medicated and is

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now stable. Weatherall's mother apologized to the victim's family and

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told the judge that the alleged attack was out of character.

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She's not a criminal. She would never, ever, ever hurt

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anybody like that, she said. And I understand the family's side.

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I truly do, because we are all suffering. We all are.

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The judge denied bond and ordered that Weatherall stay in

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custody until the September evaluation is completed.

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Yeah, on this one, you know, look, regardless of whether

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she was having a mental episode or not, she still

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stabbed someone 11 times.

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And put them in intensive care.

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And put them in intensive care. And there's no excuse

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for that. People seem to jump to the mental health.

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I was having a, you know, a moment or whatever.

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And that's why this happened. I don't care why it happened.

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There's an innocent person in a left driving you somewhere.

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You attack them for nothing. Right.

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And your rights end.

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I have no doubt. She went crazy for a second.

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I believe this story is very correct based on everyone

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that's talking on both sides. But your rights end where

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mine begins. And so maybe mental health is what happened. OK,

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but it doesn't negate what happened because you have got

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to be responsible for your mental health. And what I

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mean here is that if she was already diagnosed as schizophrenic,

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then there needs to be safeguards in place for her

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as well as to help her family out to ensure

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that she's staying on the up and up. And considering

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that her family here is saying, you know, she's not

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a criminal. She would never do this. Please release her

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to us so that we can get her in treatment.

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You were not able to keep her under control. I

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don't know. There's better wording for that. But there was

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an inability to control her in this situation. And so

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the fear is that you won't be able to control

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her and she won't be able to control herself in

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future situations. And so while you have empathy for the

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mental health issues, it doesn't outweigh Now we're going to

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go to New York. A Bank of America vice president

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was fatally stabbed in Times Square on Monday afternoon in

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what police described as a random, unprovoked attack just blocks

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from the bank's midtown headquarters. Erin Piacenti, 32, of Chester,

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New Jersey, was knifed in the abdomen near 7th Avenue

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and West 42nd Street shortly after 4.24 p.m. This was

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on August 31st. She was taken to Bellevue Hospital and

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pronounced dead. A 68-year-old man stabbed seconds earlier was listed

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in stable condition. The suspect, Pamela Cisneros. Now, tell me

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you didn't expect that to be a male. I don't

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know why. I always, when I hear of a stabbing

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like that out in the crowd, I think it to

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be a male.

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Why?

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But I don't know. My brain just goes, like a

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knifing to me always seems like a male would do it.

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Not always, but it just seems more probable to go

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around knifing men. I'd have to look. Maybe there's a

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stat in my head that I'm referring to.

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Well, probably violence in general. Yeah. A male is more

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apt than a female.

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Yeah. But let's see. Pamela Cisneros, she's 49, of Queens,

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was shot by NYPD officers after she advanced on them

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with two kitchen knives, and she died at the same hospital.

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Bank of America confirmed Piacente's identity on Tuesday. We are

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shocked and deeply saddened by the tragic loss of our colleague,

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the bank said in a statement. She was a valued

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teammate who will be greatly missed. Our hearts go out

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to her family and all of her loved ones. Piacenti

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worked as vice president of business selection and conflicts in

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the bank's corporate and investment bank. The company's Manhattan offices

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at One Bryant Park sit a short walk from the scene.

466
00:25:53.440 --> 00:25:56.880
She graduated from the University of Pennsylvania in 2016 and

467
00:25:56.940 --> 00:26:00.049
from Fordham Law School in 2021, the same year as

468
00:26:00.089 --> 00:26:03.920
her husband, Frank Piacenti. The couple had marked their second

469
00:26:04.059 --> 00:26:06.980
wedding anniversary on August the 10th and bought their first

470
00:26:07.019 --> 00:26:09.599
home in Chester last fall. Fordham Law said it was

471
00:26:09.660 --> 00:26:13.950
heartbroken by her death. Now, NYPD Commissioner Jessica Tisch said

472
00:26:14.049 --> 00:26:17.009
Cisneros pulled a pair of large kitchen knives from a

473
00:26:17.069 --> 00:26:20.309
shopping bag and stabbed the 68-year-old man in the abdomen

474
00:26:20.430 --> 00:26:22.599
after he left a subway station on West 41st Street.

475
00:26:24.099 --> 00:26:26.700
He had been waiting to cross with his wife. Within

476
00:26:26.740 --> 00:26:30.390
about 20 seconds, Cisneros moved north on 7th Avenue and

477
00:26:30.430 --> 00:26:33.430
stabbed Piacenti, also in the abdomen. Police called it an

478
00:26:33.569 --> 00:26:37.490
unprovoked double stabbing. Some witnesses said they heard Cisneros repeating,

479
00:26:37.630 --> 00:26:41.519
I'm over this, I'm over this, before the attacks. Officers

480
00:26:41.559 --> 00:26:44.630
confronted Cisneros as she still held the knives. Tisch said

481
00:26:44.670 --> 00:26:46.970
they spent several minutes ordering her to drop the weapons

482
00:26:47.049 --> 00:26:49.839
and deployed tasers, which did not stop her. When she

483
00:26:49.920 --> 00:26:53.059
rushed the officers, two fired their service weapons. The Force

484
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:56.799
Investigation Division is reviewing the shooting. Cisneros had no New

485
00:26:56.859 --> 00:27:00.160
York City arrest record, Tisch said, but police documented mental

486
00:27:00.180 --> 00:27:05.359
health-related encounters with her in 2018 and in 2019. Investigators

487
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:08.279
have not announced a motive beyond describing the attacks as random.

488
00:27:08.720 --> 00:27:12.779
Mayor Mamdani said, The family's lives have been shattered by

489
00:27:12.819 --> 00:27:15.019
what took place today, and we will continue to hold

490
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.660
them close as the hours and days and weeks continue

491
00:27:17.680 --> 00:27:20.859
from this moment. The attack unfolded in daylight in one

492
00:27:20.900 --> 00:27:24.319
of New York's most heavily policed tourist corridors, a few

493
00:27:24.359 --> 00:27:27.359
blocks from the theaters, the Port Authority area, and the

494
00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:30.390
Bank of America Tower. A video from the scene showed

495
00:27:30.490 --> 00:27:33.730
officers taping off 7th Avenue as firefighters washed down the

496
00:27:33.789 --> 00:27:38.390
pavement and emergency vehicles lined the intersection. The 68-year-old man,

497
00:27:38.950 --> 00:27:41.980
his name has not been released, Bloomberg Law identified him

498
00:27:42.059 --> 00:27:45.339
as a Rhode Island tourist. He remained in stable condition Tuesday.

499
00:27:45.680 --> 00:27:49.119
Piacente's relatives have not issued a public statement. The case

500
00:27:49.220 --> 00:27:52.559
is a homicide investigation against a dead suspect and a

501
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:56.809
separate review of the officer's use of force. No other

502
00:27:56.849 --> 00:27:59.670
attacks have been named. For Piacente's colleagues and family, the

503
00:27:59.710 --> 00:28:04.670
official description, random, unprovoked, over in seconds, does not change

504
00:28:04.690 --> 00:28:08.750
the outcome. A 32-year-old lawyer and newly established homeowner was killed.

505
00:28:09.109 --> 00:28:11.730
walking through Times Square on a Monday afternoon.

506
00:28:12.089 --> 00:28:15.789
Yeah, and I actually saw the police take down the

507
00:28:15.829 --> 00:28:22.420
suspect on this one via tasing. You know, horrific situation,

508
00:28:22.519 --> 00:28:28.140
and that lady obviously did not expect to die walking

509
00:28:28.180 --> 00:28:31.519
through Times Square, and I think that's a big problem, too.

510
00:28:32.349 --> 00:28:35.809
is the fact that this is Times Square and that

511
00:28:35.869 --> 00:28:40.569
is a huge destination point for travel for a lot

512
00:28:40.609 --> 00:28:43.970
of people in this world, not just in the United States.

513
00:28:44.089 --> 00:28:47.890
And so things like this happen and they crack down

514
00:28:48.390 --> 00:28:52.299
and they really start getting serious about it typically because

515
00:28:52.579 --> 00:28:55.099
that is a lot of money that they're going to

516
00:28:55.180 --> 00:28:58.299
lose if people start feeling like Times Square is not safe.

517
00:28:58.779 --> 00:29:01.779
New York in general, has its own issues with safety.

518
00:29:01.819 --> 00:29:04.980
But Times Square is usually like the French Quarter in

519
00:29:05.019 --> 00:29:06.700
New Orleans, very protected.

520
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:08.460
You know, when we were, I'll tell you real quick,

521
00:29:08.480 --> 00:29:10.200
we were in New York a few years ago and

522
00:29:10.220 --> 00:29:11.700
we were just walking down the street and it was

523
00:29:11.759 --> 00:29:14.420
right there in the middle of Times Square. And some

524
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.859
dude slammed into my daughter for no reason, turned around

525
00:29:17.900 --> 00:29:19.460
and screamed that she was a bitch in her face

526
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:22.130
and then took off running. And I mean, I didn't

527
00:29:22.150 --> 00:29:24.109
check up. I chased after that dude and was swiping

528
00:29:24.150 --> 00:29:25.430
at his hair. I was trying to grab his hair

529
00:29:25.450 --> 00:29:27.440
because it was blowing in the winds. But no, but

530
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.940
I'm saying that some people just, in the crowds, they just,

531
00:29:31.740 --> 00:29:35.069
they don't know how to act. And it makes it dangerous.

532
00:29:35.170 --> 00:29:37.130
I also don't like big crowds for that reason. I

533
00:29:37.150 --> 00:29:38.490
don't like being around a lot of people like that.

534
00:29:38.509 --> 00:29:41.819
That is actually our second one. today that's stabbing.

535
00:29:42.220 --> 00:29:43.380
Yeah, and mental health issues.

536
00:29:44.160 --> 00:29:46.500
Well, I think anybody that tries to kill somebody has

537
00:29:46.539 --> 00:29:47.480
mental health issues.

538
00:29:47.619 --> 00:29:49.720
But I'm saying the correlation there, mental health issues, and

539
00:29:49.740 --> 00:29:51.400
then it's strange, too, that we've got two women.

540
00:29:51.940 --> 00:29:56.869
Right. Yeah. Yeah, so... Women making a comeback. I guess.

541
00:29:57.170 --> 00:29:59.269
Who says there's not equal opportunity out there?

542
00:29:59.410 --> 00:30:03.390
Keefy D, let's talk about him. A Clark County jury

543
00:30:03.529 --> 00:30:09.000
on Monday actually convicted Dwayne Keefy D. Davis of first-degree

544
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.599
murder with use of a deadly weapon in the 1996

545
00:30:12.599 --> 00:30:17.319
drive-by shooting of Tupac Shakur. This is the first conviction

546
00:30:17.420 --> 00:30:20.380
in one of American music's most infamous cold cases ever.

547
00:30:21.390 --> 00:30:24.710
Some people would say it wasn't that cold, meaning a

548
00:30:24.779 --> 00:30:28.200
lot of people knew the circumstances 10 years ago. But

549
00:30:28.259 --> 00:30:31.700
jurors deliberated for less than three hours and after a

550
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:36.099
week's long trial before returning the verdict against Davis, who

551
00:30:36.160 --> 00:30:40.490
is 63 and a former Southside Compton Crips figure. He

552
00:30:40.589 --> 00:30:44.009
is the only person ever charged in Shakur's death and

553
00:30:44.089 --> 00:30:47.630
sentencing is set for October 13th, where he faces life

554
00:30:47.690 --> 00:30:50.150
in prison again. He has said he would appeal. I'm

555
00:30:50.190 --> 00:30:53.269
not going to go into all the details of what

556
00:30:53.329 --> 00:30:58.190
happened with Tupac because most people know that already. He

557
00:30:58.230 --> 00:31:02.619
was shot in Vegas after a Mike Tyson fight. And his,

558
00:31:02.640 --> 00:31:06.079
I guess, friend and the guy who was kind of

559
00:31:06.180 --> 00:31:09.880
in charge of Death Row Records, Suge Knight, was also

560
00:31:10.019 --> 00:31:12.779
shot in that incident. But the bullet bounced off his head,

561
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:16.900
which is legit serious. He got shot and it bounced

562
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:22.730
off his big arm. And so he just bled a lot,

563
00:31:22.869 --> 00:31:27.329
but it didn't penetrate his skull. Tupac was killed and

564
00:31:27.430 --> 00:31:30.130
Kifidi has now been charged with murder. And I want

565
00:31:30.150 --> 00:31:34.339
to explain something on this quickly. A lot of people say, well,

566
00:31:34.380 --> 00:31:37.640
he didn't pull the trigger because the whole gist of

567
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:41.500
this case was he and three other people were in

568
00:31:41.539 --> 00:31:45.089
a Cadillac. They saw Tupac and Suge after the Mike

569
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.579
Tyson fight. Tupac had jumped over. A gangster, a real gangster, y'all.

570
00:31:52.289 --> 00:31:55.529
You know, this guy was a straight up killer. Tupac

571
00:31:55.549 --> 00:31:58.109
and his boys jumped this guy because he had on

572
00:31:58.130 --> 00:32:02.309
a death row chain and beat the shit out of him.

573
00:32:02.890 --> 00:32:05.369
So this was kind of payback for that. It occurred

574
00:32:05.450 --> 00:32:10.369
the same night and another guy shot him. It was

575
00:32:10.529 --> 00:32:13.250
not Kifidi. So people are like, well, how is Kifidi

576
00:32:13.269 --> 00:32:16.670
being charged with murder? Well, it's a simple case of

577
00:32:16.750 --> 00:32:19.890
if I drive Kelly to a bank, she robs the bank,

578
00:32:20.630 --> 00:32:22.849
and then I drive her away from that bank, we

579
00:32:22.890 --> 00:32:25.900
both committed robbery. Just because she was the one to

580
00:32:26.019 --> 00:32:28.519
actually go in the bank and pull the gun and

581
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.339
demand the money, we're both getting charged with robbery.

582
00:32:31.420 --> 00:32:34.000
Yeah, it's principal to your principal.

583
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:37.559
That's right. Well, there's principal, and then there's aiding and

584
00:32:37.579 --> 00:32:41.329
abetting before and after the fact. And so Keefe... He

585
00:32:41.410 --> 00:32:44.710
was charged with aiding and abetting first degree murder, which

586
00:32:44.789 --> 00:32:48.630
is looked at nearly the same way. There are some

587
00:32:48.690 --> 00:32:53.599
little sentencing differences. You know, he was not let out

588
00:32:53.859 --> 00:32:57.619
after the conviction because he's a flight risk. So they

589
00:32:57.660 --> 00:33:00.519
denied him bail. So he'll sit in jail until that

590
00:33:00.559 --> 00:33:04.559
conviction or rather until that sentencing. He's already been convicted.

591
00:33:05.220 --> 00:33:09.819
But 30 years later and somebody is finally being held

592
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:13.240
responsible now. The other three guys, all dead. That's why

593
00:33:13.259 --> 00:33:16.019
they're not being charged. Everybody in that vehicle, with the

594
00:33:16.079 --> 00:33:18.279
exception of Keefe, was killed. Right.

595
00:33:18.460 --> 00:33:21.799
So, I mean, if you're a main actor in something

596
00:33:21.839 --> 00:33:24.559
that happens to somebody else, just because your finger didn't

597
00:33:24.579 --> 00:33:27.640
pull the trigger, if you were very influential in the

598
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.960
design of what went down, you should be accountable as

599
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.220
if you did it. I mean, you're a part of it.

600
00:33:34.849 --> 00:33:36.250
No doubt you're a part of it and you set

601
00:33:36.269 --> 00:33:37.470
it up. And then it was what, his nephew? Yeah.

602
00:33:38.019 --> 00:33:40.440
It was his nephew, and he was also the shot

603
00:33:40.509 --> 00:33:44.690
caller for the Southside Compton Crips, which means nobody gets

604
00:33:44.750 --> 00:33:48.829
killed without Kifidi telling you to kill them. And he

605
00:33:48.910 --> 00:33:52.859
admitted in his own damn book that he passed Orlando

606
00:33:52.980 --> 00:33:56.680
Anderson the gun that shot Tupac. So you also gave

607
00:33:56.740 --> 00:33:59.099
them the weapon. They killed the guy.

608
00:33:59.940 --> 00:34:02.890
This is the classic situation where someone gets too big

609
00:34:02.910 --> 00:34:05.589
for their damn britches and they think they can't be touched.

610
00:34:06.109 --> 00:34:08.210
And you can. And you absolutely will be.

611
00:34:08.570 --> 00:34:09.889
Even if it's 30 years later.

612
00:34:09.929 --> 00:34:13.170
Yeah. Well, there's no statute of limitations on murder, friends.

613
00:34:13.389 --> 00:34:16.329
So you can try to outrun it.

614
00:34:16.550 --> 00:34:19.010
And where this guy really screwed up was he's on

615
00:34:19.269 --> 00:34:23.199
three podcasts. See, he had a proffer agreement originally with

616
00:34:23.239 --> 00:34:28.170
the police. and the FBI, or rather the police department.

617
00:34:28.610 --> 00:34:32.250
And this proffer agreement said, anything you tell us, we

618
00:34:32.289 --> 00:34:35.369
can't hold against you. What he didn't realize was in

619
00:34:35.389 --> 00:34:38.230
the fine print of that proffer agreement, it only included

620
00:34:38.309 --> 00:34:43.230
Los Angeles. It didn't include Las Vegas. So when the

621
00:34:43.269 --> 00:34:46.849
Las Vegas police investigated him, that proffer agreement went out

622
00:34:46.889 --> 00:34:50.039
the window. Well, this moron Goes around on four or

623
00:34:50.099 --> 00:34:54.139
five different podcasts talking about this whole situation. Telling him

624
00:34:54.219 --> 00:34:57.900
every detail because he believed a proffer agreement protected him.

625
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.360
And it did not. And he found that out today.

626
00:35:01.420 --> 00:35:04.619
He's 63. So regardless of his sentence, which could be

627
00:35:04.679 --> 00:35:07.920
as little as 20 years. He's done. 20 years is

628
00:35:07.980 --> 00:35:08.820
life to this guy.

629
00:35:08.940 --> 00:35:09.719
Yeah, he's done.

630
00:35:09.980 --> 00:35:10.710
And he deserves it.

631
00:35:10.800 --> 00:35:13.699
Yeah, he does. All right, let's go to Wisconsin. So

632
00:35:14.480 --> 00:35:17.289
is it Fond du Lac? Is that where this is?

633
00:35:17.309 --> 00:35:19.730
I know I sound ignorant. A Fond du Lac County?

634
00:35:19.750 --> 00:35:20.550
It is Fond du Lac.

635
00:35:20.650 --> 00:35:21.070
Fond du Lac.

636
00:35:21.130 --> 00:35:21.329
Okay.

637
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:24.000
A Fond du Lac County man charged with stalking a

638
00:35:24.059 --> 00:35:28.179
woman he briefly dated in 2013 kept a basement collection

639
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:32.840
that included human skulls, serial killer memorabilia, and a jar

640
00:35:32.920 --> 00:35:36.059
marked as holding a piece of John Wayne Gacy's brain.

641
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:38.760
And this is all according to a criminal complaint.

642
00:35:38.980 --> 00:35:39.199
Wow.

643
00:35:39.280 --> 00:35:42.550
Benjamin Larson, 41, is charged with one count of felony

644
00:35:42.570 --> 00:35:46.889
stalking in Dane County. He posted $ 15, 000 bond. and is

645
00:35:46.929 --> 00:35:51.409
due for arraignment on September 11th. Oof, that's kind of dark.

646
00:35:51.469 --> 00:35:53.969
All of it's dark, like even the dates. So the woman,

647
00:35:54.010 --> 00:35:57.190
who has not been named publicly, contacted Madison police on

648
00:35:57.230 --> 00:36:00.130
July 31st. She said she dated Larson for about two

649
00:36:00.190 --> 00:36:03.070
months in 2013, seeing him only a handful of times.

650
00:36:03.429 --> 00:36:06.349
She described the relationship as very intense and said he

651
00:36:06.369 --> 00:36:10.679
seemed obsessed with Ed Gein. She told investigators she ended

652
00:36:10.739 --> 00:36:12.739
it after he called her while holding a gun to

653
00:36:12.780 --> 00:36:17.110
his head. I'm glad she saw that red flag. She

654
00:36:17.150 --> 00:36:20.250
later moved to Canada without giving him her address. The

655
00:36:20.289 --> 00:36:23.190
complaint says he still found ways to reach her. Letters

656
00:36:23.269 --> 00:36:27.849
sent through her mother, emails, cards, gifts, and professional complaints

657
00:36:27.929 --> 00:36:32.500
filed with therapy licensing boards in Wisconsin, Oregon, and North Carolina.

658
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:35.820
In 2015, he allegedly emailed that he had tattooed her

659
00:36:35.880 --> 00:36:39.460
initials and kept mementos from their relationship, including a voicemail.

660
00:36:40.119 --> 00:36:43.280
In late 2025, she received cards at her Dane County

661
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.059
office saying, And at a home address, she said she

662
00:36:46.079 --> 00:36:49.099
had never shared with him. One card named her husband

663
00:36:49.219 --> 00:36:52.909
and child. Another said he would keep trying until I

664
00:36:52.989 --> 00:36:56.110
hear something from you, end quote, including possibly calling or

665
00:36:56.150 --> 00:36:59.489
knocking on her door. The charge covers alleged conduct from

666
00:36:59.530 --> 00:37:04.289
June of 2013 through July of 2026. That is a

667
00:37:04.469 --> 00:37:07.739
long time to have someone chasing after you. Jeez. It's

668
00:37:07.820 --> 00:37:11.139
a class one felony punishable by up to three years

669
00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.260
and six months in prison and a $ 10, 000 fine. Madison

670
00:37:14.280 --> 00:37:17.599
detectives and the Fond du Lac County Sheriff's Office searched

671
00:37:17.639 --> 00:37:19.920
Lawson's home and in the basement is where they found

672
00:37:19.920 --> 00:37:24.840
10 binders labeled Edward Gein Book, a grave rubbing of Gein,

673
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:27.710
items said to be from Gein's grave or home, a.

674
00:37:27.630 --> 00:37:30.670
22 caliber cartridge displayed as matching those used by the

675
00:37:30.710 --> 00:37:34.170
Zodiac Killer, and vials labeled with names of poisons.

676
00:37:34.329 --> 00:37:35.570
Sounds like your classroom.

677
00:37:35.809 --> 00:37:36.659
I mean, it does.

678
00:37:37.639 --> 00:37:40.119
Kelly's thinking, is any of this going up for auction?

679
00:37:40.139 --> 00:37:46.849
That's kind of interesting. Including arsenic, cyanide, and ricin, also

680
00:37:46.929 --> 00:37:51.090
listed skeletal remains in a glass casket. A life-sized... Ooh,

681
00:37:51.110 --> 00:37:51.809
a glass casket.

682
00:37:51.929 --> 00:37:52.170
I know.

683
00:37:52.190 --> 00:37:55.929
That's kind of interesting. A life-sized Jason Voorhees mannequin.

684
00:37:55.949 --> 00:37:58.349
Oh, I do want that.

685
00:37:59.179 --> 00:38:00.199
And a mummy.

686
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:02.860
What's wrong with this guy? He sounds like a true

687
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:03.590
crime thing to me.

688
00:38:03.619 --> 00:38:08.400
Oh, my God. A mummy tagged Princess... Is it Tahib? Taheb? Taheb.

689
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:10.860
I'll take you at your word.

690
00:38:10.860 --> 00:38:14.050
1600 BC. And a jar with a sign indicating it

691
00:38:14.090 --> 00:38:18.510
contained a piece of Gacy's brain. The authenticity of that

692
00:38:18.550 --> 00:38:23.369
jar's contents has not been independently confirmed. After Gacy's 1994 execution,

693
00:38:23.409 --> 00:38:27.090
his brain was removed for study by psychiatrist Helen Morrison,

694
00:38:27.349 --> 00:38:30.510
but there's no public confirmation that Larson possessed any of

695
00:38:30.570 --> 00:38:35.800
that tissue. In a padlocked basement room, officers reported a

696
00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:40.119
lifelike silicone doll on a bed, a painting of a

697
00:38:40.179 --> 00:38:43.639
nude woman who appeared to resemble the complainant papers with

698
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.690
her name on it, and a 25-page handwritten portfolio about her.

699
00:38:47.829 --> 00:38:48.250
Bruh.

700
00:38:48.530 --> 00:38:53.610
This guy's nuts. This guy is nuts. One passage, as

701
00:38:53.730 --> 00:38:56.900
quoted in the complaint, said he was, quote, furious that

702
00:38:56.940 --> 00:38:59.420
she had a husband and a child. I've never really

703
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:01.659
agreed with the whole if I can't have her, no

704
00:39:01.760 --> 00:39:03.900
one can thing, as I don't feel like I am

705
00:39:03.940 --> 00:39:06.659
that selfish. I just want her gone so I don't

706
00:39:06.699 --> 00:39:08.820
have to know she's still out there doing all of

707
00:39:08.880 --> 00:39:12.480
this with someone else. How does that only get you

708
00:39:12.559 --> 00:39:18.409
three years in? Wow. Another entry described watching her home

709
00:39:18.710 --> 00:39:21.210
from a car, writing down her license plate and taking

710
00:39:21.309 --> 00:39:25.139
bags of her garbage. He allegedly wrote um of that

711
00:39:25.179 --> 00:39:30.239
surveillance quote creepy strange stalkerish potentially dangerous question mark yes

712
00:39:30.900 --> 00:39:34.119
it is does it bother me not in the slightest

713
00:39:34.260 --> 00:39:37.659
end quote wow other local coverage of the same filing

714
00:39:37.699 --> 00:39:40.389
quotes him writing about approaching the house at night in

715
00:39:40.469 --> 00:39:44.130
dark clothing with a machete A shelf held what looked

716
00:39:44.170 --> 00:39:47.929
like five human skulls, one partial skull, and two bones

717
00:39:47.989 --> 00:39:51.809
arranged as a cross. Investigators also noted material related to

718
00:39:51.849 --> 00:39:55.760
the 1990 Wisconsin killing of Barrett Beck and books talking

719
00:39:55.820 --> 00:39:59.719
about stalking. The sheriff's office opened a separate inquiry into

720
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:04.000
the skeletal remains. A forensic anthropologist's initial exam suggested many

721
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:07.579
may be ancient Native American remains. Other pieces still needed

722
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:10.960
lab testing. Investigators are working with the Wisconsin Crime Lab

723
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:16.480
and the Wisconsin Historical Society and the Wisconsin Intertribal Repatriation Committee.

724
00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:19.389
So far, Larson has been charged only with stalking. When

725
00:40:19.429 --> 00:40:23.210
police spoke with him, he described his cards as, quote,

726
00:40:23.250 --> 00:40:27.199
very civil. and said a therapist had suggested the licensing

727
00:40:27.219 --> 00:40:29.760
board complaints as a way to get a response.

728
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:30.460
Wow.

729
00:40:30.519 --> 00:40:31.300
That's crazy.

730
00:40:31.320 --> 00:40:33.239
That stinks my spirit animal.

731
00:40:33.500 --> 00:40:36.739
I'm telling you. After a stalking warning letter from Madison police,

732
00:40:37.119 --> 00:40:39.590
he told them he understood her silence, quote, is a

733
00:40:39.650 --> 00:40:41.110
response itself, end quote.

734
00:40:41.849 --> 00:40:44.369
This dude got some issues, but I'll tell you what,

735
00:40:44.389 --> 00:40:46.920
it took that chick five dates to figure it out.

736
00:40:47.380 --> 00:40:50.639
I only saw him a handful of times. That's a

737
00:40:50.659 --> 00:40:51.760
good amount of times.

738
00:40:51.800 --> 00:40:53.900
Yeah, but he might not have shown his true self

739
00:40:53.980 --> 00:40:56.090
until like. you know, the third or fourth.

740
00:40:56.110 --> 00:40:58.769
It seems like that one was so weird. It would

741
00:40:58.809 --> 00:40:59.940
be easy to figure that out.

742
00:40:59.989 --> 00:41:02.170
I don't, I just find that there's got John Wayne.

743
00:41:02.469 --> 00:41:04.590
Although some of his stuff, his collection was kind of

744
00:41:04.610 --> 00:41:05.090
cool to me.

745
00:41:05.820 --> 00:41:08.639
Okay. I mean, yeah, but not in combination with this.

746
00:41:08.699 --> 00:41:10.780
Like if you just were a fan of crime or something,

747
00:41:10.820 --> 00:41:12.400
I guess I could get behind it. But what I

748
00:41:12.440 --> 00:41:15.119
don't understand is why aren't there enhancers in stalking laws

749
00:41:15.460 --> 00:41:19.119
that stalking is really bad, right? But he's outside of

750
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:24.469
her home with a machete. He's, Yeah, he's making false

751
00:41:24.550 --> 00:41:29.230
claims to her licensing board, whatever she does for a job,

752
00:41:29.269 --> 00:41:33.380
and then admitting that he wants her gone.

753
00:41:33.940 --> 00:41:34.219
Right.

754
00:41:34.320 --> 00:41:37.440
So I don't know. I know that you can't hold

755
00:41:37.480 --> 00:41:39.800
someone accountable for just what they said there, but there

756
00:41:39.820 --> 00:41:42.519
should be enhancers of some sort. Three years is not enough,

757
00:41:42.539 --> 00:41:45.019
and he's going to spend all three years thinking about

758
00:41:45.059 --> 00:41:45.519
what he's going.

759
00:41:45.420 --> 00:41:47.079
To do when he gets out. Yeah, that's not enough.

760
00:41:47.099 --> 00:41:48.820
And he's not going to serve three years. I mean,

761
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:50.340
you get three years, what are you going to serve?

762
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.170
That's max. A year and a half? Yeah. Maybe two.

763
00:41:53.730 --> 00:41:54.489
I really worry for this.

764
00:41:54.510 --> 00:41:56.250
He ain't going to be over her by that point.

765
00:41:56.289 --> 00:41:58.570
I really worry for this woman. I'm serious. I really

766
00:41:58.590 --> 00:41:59.090
worry for her.

767
00:41:59.489 --> 00:42:01.599
I would definitely move out of state and change.

768
00:42:01.619 --> 00:42:04.599
But to Canada. Yeah. I mean, where the hell is

769
00:42:04.619 --> 00:42:05.239
she going to do?

770
00:42:05.659 --> 00:42:09.420
It's true. All right. Let's go to Florida. We've been

771
00:42:09.440 --> 00:42:11.610
there a couple times today. And I'm going to tell

772
00:42:11.650 --> 00:42:15.030
you a pretty wild story about a murder for hire.

773
00:42:15.090 --> 00:42:20.070
This happened in Duval County. A jury on Wednesday, August

774
00:42:20.130 --> 00:42:27.550
26th convicted Mario Fernandez Saladana of first-degree murder and solicitation

775
00:42:27.969 --> 00:42:32.280
to commit capital felony in the 2022 roadside killing of

776
00:42:32.420 --> 00:42:38.380
Jared Bragan, a 33-year-old Microsoft design manager and father of four.

777
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:42.889
This guy was shot twice on February 16th of 2022

778
00:42:42.889 --> 00:42:48.199
in Jacksonville Beach. after he stopped his Volkswagen Atlas to

779
00:42:48.260 --> 00:42:51.820
move a tire that prosecutors say had been placed in

780
00:42:51.860 --> 00:42:56.139
the road on purpose. He had just dropped his twins

781
00:42:56.300 --> 00:42:59.769
at the home of his ex-wife, Shanna Gardner. His two-year-old

782
00:42:59.849 --> 00:43:03.650
daughter and his wife, Kristen, were in the vehicle. So

783
00:43:03.690 --> 00:43:07.929
he was already remarried to someone else. The attack went

784
00:43:08.059 --> 00:43:12.599
unsolved for months, and Brigham had no obvious enemies, and

785
00:43:12.659 --> 00:43:16.320
a toddler was in the backseat, as I said. Prosecutors

786
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:21.070
told the jury Fernandez, Saladana, and Gardner, who were married

787
00:43:21.130 --> 00:43:23.750
to each other at the time, were the architects of

788
00:43:23.789 --> 00:43:29.670
the hit, and that Fernandez-Saladana hired his tenant, Henry Teenan,

789
00:43:29.929 --> 00:43:32.489
to carry it out. The state said the motive was

790
00:43:32.570 --> 00:43:37.219
a long, high-conflict custody fight over the twins and control

791
00:43:37.380 --> 00:43:41.570
of the family trust. And so, yeah, when kids get

792
00:43:41.610 --> 00:43:44.849
involved and emotions get high, this is when you see

793
00:43:44.909 --> 00:43:49.190
things like this happen. Now, what they're saying is he

794
00:43:49.269 --> 00:43:53.329
recruited Tenon, and he had been evicted, and he had

795
00:43:53.389 --> 00:43:59.809
no money. And he said, hey, look, I'll pay you $ 10, 000

796
00:43:57.570 --> 00:44:02.239
after this shooting. The couple said they wanted the decision-making

797
00:44:03.340 --> 00:44:07.619
process for these kids, and this was their way of

798
00:44:07.699 --> 00:44:16.159
solving it, basically. In closing, they said that Bragdon was unarmed, unaware, exposed,

799
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:20.280
and vulnerable, and this guy just killed him right there

800
00:44:20.320 --> 00:44:22.619
on the street after placing a tire out in front

801
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.420
of that vehicle and him getting out to move it.

802
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:27.869
So there you have it.

803
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:33.400
I wonder, obviously doing this is just not smart, okay,

804
00:44:33.420 --> 00:44:37.000
but why would you take on someone else's.

805
00:44:38.900 --> 00:44:40.519
Like, For $ 10, 000?

806
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.099
For $ 10, 000 and to not be evicted?

807
00:44:43.199 --> 00:44:47.010
Obviously, I'm not saying that's right, but the motive was money, obviously,

808
00:44:47.690 --> 00:44:50.769
for this guy who apparently didn't have a dollar in

809
00:44:50.809 --> 00:44:54.610
his name. But I'm saying— People do it for less, man.

810
00:44:54.929 --> 00:44:58.269
Yeah, but what I'm saying is move on, bro. Go

811
00:44:58.309 --> 00:45:00.010
find you another place to live, but you're willing to

812
00:45:00.050 --> 00:45:01.170
take on murder.

813
00:45:01.530 --> 00:45:03.389
Well, clearly.

814
00:45:03.860 --> 00:45:07.699
But to really quantify that, that's worth that. You're like, oh, yeah,

815
00:45:07.739 --> 00:45:09.159
I'll go kill some guy just so I don't have

816
00:45:09.179 --> 00:45:12.639
to be evicted. Like, that's insanity. And why would you

817
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.199
take on the burden of someone else's hatred like that?

818
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.019
Well, how about the two that paid him?

819
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:18.500
Yeah, just.

820
00:45:19.619 --> 00:45:22.869
His ex-wife and her new husband. And their trials are

821
00:45:22.909 --> 00:45:24.050
still ahead, incidentally.

822
00:45:24.269 --> 00:45:26.389
I'm glad that I don't understand it. I'm glad I

823
00:45:26.409 --> 00:45:28.110
don't understand it. Because if I did, that'd be kind

824
00:45:28.150 --> 00:45:32.690
of scary. But this is just nonsense. This is absolute nonsense.

825
00:45:32.969 --> 00:45:35.710
And the court's. As far as I know, I would

826
00:45:35.730 --> 00:45:37.269
be pissed too. If I had to get a divorce

827
00:45:37.309 --> 00:45:40.039
and send my children off and then, you know, I

828
00:45:40.079 --> 00:45:42.159
don't get to keep my kids with me. I understand that.

829
00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:44.360
I know that that makes people angry. I know that

830
00:45:44.500 --> 00:45:47.480
maybe the other one doesn't deserve in your eyes, you know,

831
00:45:47.500 --> 00:45:49.380
the other parent doesn't deserve to have the time with

832
00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:52.469
the kids. But the fact is, that's the way it is.

833
00:45:52.489 --> 00:45:55.510
And it sounds to me like this guy was a

834
00:45:55.550 --> 00:45:58.949
good daddy. Yeah. You know, and they were split in

835
00:45:58.989 --> 00:46:03.489
custody and apparently at the time they had 60-40, and

836
00:46:04.050 --> 00:46:06.010
she was on the 40% end of that.

837
00:46:06.130 --> 00:46:09.429
Yeah, for probably cause. I'm sure the judges ruled in

838
00:46:09.469 --> 00:46:09.880
that way.

839
00:46:09.889 --> 00:46:11.900
I mean, if you're willing to hire someone to kill

840
00:46:11.920 --> 00:46:15.340
your ex, you apparently have something wrong with you.

841
00:46:15.440 --> 00:46:19.610
Clearly. And that's just devastating. You destroyed your children's lives

842
00:46:19.730 --> 00:46:21.849
as far as having their daddy. So let's go to

843
00:46:22.170 --> 00:46:24.389
Baton Rouge. So this one's kind of different. So a

844
00:46:24.429 --> 00:46:27.349
man who was previously arrested right here in Denham Springs,

845
00:46:27.369 --> 00:46:30.780
where we are, for secretly filming women in public locations, well,

846
00:46:30.820 --> 00:46:33.860
he was arrested again in Baton Rouge on Wednesday for

847
00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:38.579
video voyeurism. According to the arrest records, 23-year-old Tyler Washington

848
00:46:38.619 --> 00:46:41.380
was arrested after the security office at the Mall of

849
00:46:41.420 --> 00:46:44.820
Louisiana received a complaint that Washington was seen walking around

850
00:46:44.889 --> 00:46:49.320
Sephora and allegedly secretly filming women before leaving and going

851
00:46:49.360 --> 00:46:52.980
to the mall. Security followed Washington around on cameras before

852
00:46:53.019 --> 00:46:56.159
eventually detaining him. Officers with the Baton Rouge Police Department

853
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:59.449
confirmed that Washington had previously been arrested three separate times

854
00:46:59.730 --> 00:47:04.409
for video voyeurism amongst other sexual charges. Washington was previously

855
00:47:04.449 --> 00:47:07.489
arrested in June after taking photos of women without their

856
00:47:07.510 --> 00:47:12.050
knowledge at Jubin Crossing and other retail locations. Following the interaction,

857
00:47:12.150 --> 00:47:15.739
Washington was again arrested for video voyeurism and issued a

858
00:47:15.860 --> 00:47:18.420
five-year ban from the Mall of Louisiana.

859
00:47:19.460 --> 00:47:23.340
It ought to be a lifetime ban, sounds like to me. Like,

860
00:47:23.639 --> 00:47:26.519
this is the third time. How do you get arrested

861
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:28.239
three times for the exact same thing?

862
00:47:28.260 --> 00:47:30.789
Because this is someone who can't control themselves.

863
00:47:30.789 --> 00:47:36.449
100%. Let's go to Iberville, Louisiana, and a jury has

864
00:47:36.510 --> 00:47:43.050
convicted three in a Herman Harris murder-for-hire case. An Iberville

865
00:47:43.230 --> 00:47:47.699
parish jury convicted siblings Rolanda Brooks and David Brooks and

866
00:47:47.739 --> 00:47:52.159
alleged gunman Johnny Hicks in the 2024 killing of Herman Ayers,

867
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:57.599
a 65-year-old Marigold man known as Rango. Deliberations lasted a

868
00:47:57.780 --> 00:48:01.260
little more than two hours after a nearly two-week trial.

869
00:48:01.739 --> 00:48:05.769
Judge Alvin Batiste came out of retirement to preside in

870
00:48:05.809 --> 00:48:08.539
this one. Harris was found shot to death in his

871
00:48:08.599 --> 00:48:14.099
home on LA-76 around 9 a.m. on August 27, 2024.

872
00:48:14.099 --> 00:48:18.050
Prosecutors say he was killed in a murder-for-hire plot after

873
00:48:18.090 --> 00:48:22.070
he planned to sue his former employer over a workplace injury.

874
00:48:22.429 --> 00:48:26.929
18th Judicial District Attorney Tony Clayton told jurors this case

875
00:48:27.010 --> 00:48:31.530
was about greed. Rolanda Brooks was found guilty of solicitation

876
00:48:31.590 --> 00:48:36.300
for murder, conspiracy to commit second-degree murder, principal to second-degree

877
00:48:36.340 --> 00:48:40.559
murder and numerous other charges. She was acquitted of racketeering.

878
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:44.239
David Brooks was convicted on the same charges and also

879
00:48:44.260 --> 00:48:48.329
acquitted of racketeering. Hicks was found guilty of conspiracy to

880
00:48:48.369 --> 00:48:52.590
commit second-degree murder and the principal charge. Clayton called the

881
00:48:52.690 --> 00:48:56.989
two-hour review of 21 counts kind of record-setting. The family

882
00:48:57.110 --> 00:49:00.239
did not leave this courtroom, he said. They were Herman

883
00:49:00.260 --> 00:49:05.650
Harris strong, as they say. Harris' wife, Regina, thanked prosecutors

884
00:49:05.690 --> 00:49:08.909
and investigators. I feel like he finally had justice now,

885
00:49:09.469 --> 00:49:13.090
so we're going to rest good tonight, she said. And

886
00:49:13.269 --> 00:49:16.750
her grandson told WFB the killing had put a burden

887
00:49:16.809 --> 00:49:19.250
on the family and that he was glad to see

888
00:49:19.289 --> 00:49:23.840
Harris received justice. the justice he deserved. Granddaughter Shania said

889
00:49:23.880 --> 00:49:27.530
the verdict brought relief. Harris had worked for Rolanda Brooks

890
00:49:27.610 --> 00:49:31.730
Trucking Company, Hot Shot Trucking. Prosecutors said he was injured

891
00:49:31.789 --> 00:49:36.889
in June of 2024 and he needed emergency surgery. He

892
00:49:36.969 --> 00:49:40.630
ran up some medical debt. He was going to sue

893
00:49:40.969 --> 00:49:45.110
these people over this. Dudley DeBosier was representing him as

894
00:49:45.170 --> 00:49:48.699
of that time and sent these people a letter. And

895
00:49:48.699 --> 00:49:53.199
12 days later, he was dead. Clayton called Rolanda the mastermind,

896
00:49:53.460 --> 00:49:57.079
David the enforcer, and Hicks the trigger man. The siblings

897
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:01.969
have received more than $ 4. 9 million in a December 2023

898
00:50:01.969 --> 00:50:05.289
settlement after their mother was killed in a trucking crash.

899
00:50:05.760 --> 00:50:09.440
The state said Hicks, then in his mid-20s from Vicksburg,

900
00:50:09.900 --> 00:50:14.469
and co-defendant Javonda Lewis went to Harris' house. Lewis kept

901
00:50:14.530 --> 00:50:19.210
watch while Hicks fired. Detectives recovered 40 caliber casings they

902
00:50:19.449 --> 00:50:23.090
later matched to the gun found in David Brooks' backyard.

903
00:50:23.150 --> 00:50:27.519
Clayton used license plate readers, home cameras, flock data, and

904
00:50:27.579 --> 00:50:30.750
phone records to map the hours around the killings. And

905
00:50:30.789 --> 00:50:34.730
he called Rolanda diabolically smart and argued her trip to

906
00:50:34.789 --> 00:50:38.010
Mississippi and camera footage of the Harris house were a

907
00:50:38.070 --> 00:50:42.869
manufactured alibi. Quote, you take this man, you turn into

908
00:50:42.949 --> 00:50:45.710
this because of your greed, because he pissed you off.

909
00:50:46.130 --> 00:50:48.570
He told the jurors showing a photo of Harris in

910
00:50:48.610 --> 00:50:51.400
a Saints cap in the crime scene. And so a

911
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.280
close to that case. And I can tell you, I

912
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:01.570
actually met both of this guy's sons. And the mother,

913
00:51:01.769 --> 00:51:05.349
and they are about as good a people as you

914
00:51:05.389 --> 00:51:08.309
would ever imagine. And it was just horrific what they've

915
00:51:08.369 --> 00:51:11.070
been through. But boy, were his kids raised right.

916
00:51:11.590 --> 00:51:15.780
So unnecessary. That's why you have insurance for your business

917
00:51:15.820 --> 00:51:19.260
is so that if you do get sued, then you

918
00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.780
get coverage for that. And it sounds like they had

919
00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.639
the money to– To make the payments, right? Isn't that

920
00:51:25.659 --> 00:51:27.530
what you told me, that they had won a settlement themselves?

921
00:51:27.789 --> 00:51:29.630
I mean, I don't know whether they had the money.

922
00:51:29.670 --> 00:51:33.889
They did, but I don't know what they were suing for.

923
00:51:34.309 --> 00:51:37.769
Yeah, I got you. But regardless, you know, this poor guy.

924
00:51:37.829 --> 00:51:39.090
Another money situation.

925
00:51:39.110 --> 00:51:40.469
I thought you said they had won a $ 4 million.

926
00:51:40.489 --> 00:51:43.010
Well, they did, but maybe they were being sued for

927
00:51:43.010 --> 00:51:45.010
$ 12 million. But whether they had the money or not,

928
00:51:45.030 --> 00:51:47.130
you don't kill somebody over it.

929
00:51:47.750 --> 00:51:51.420
No, no, no. But my point was that it wasn't

930
00:51:51.480 --> 00:51:54.400
like this was going to be life-ending. I mean, lawsuits happen.

931
00:51:55.340 --> 00:51:58.519
Workman's comp situations come up. I mean, that's just part

932
00:51:58.559 --> 00:52:01.239
of business. It happens. It's tragic. But the guy had

933
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:05.570
the emergency surgery to prove that whatever happened apparently was

934
00:52:05.630 --> 00:52:07.989
tragic enough he needed help with his medical bills. But

935
00:52:08.010 --> 00:52:11.050
to go kill him over it, I agree. Tony Clayton

936
00:52:11.090 --> 00:52:11.650
nailed that one.

937
00:52:11.690 --> 00:52:12.070
Greed.

938
00:52:12.130 --> 00:52:14.769
Greed is a mother. And I'm glad that they got him.

939
00:52:15.050 --> 00:52:15.250
Yeah.

940
00:52:15.309 --> 00:52:17.309
I'm glad that they got him and his poor family.

941
00:52:18.010 --> 00:52:18.210
Yeah.

942
00:52:18.489 --> 00:52:21.630
You know, a guilty verdict doesn't bring him back. And

943
00:52:21.650 --> 00:52:23.369
we all know that. So but at least they got

944
00:52:23.409 --> 00:52:24.210
it on paper.

945
00:52:24.949 --> 00:52:27.599
These people are going to serve time for it.

946
00:52:27.780 --> 00:52:31.780
Absolutely. All right. You remember that couple that went and

947
00:52:31.800 --> 00:52:33.699
did the proposal at the top of the Empire State

948
00:52:33.739 --> 00:52:35.519
Building and they had the flag and all that kind

949
00:52:35.539 --> 00:52:37.780
of crap. All right. So those rooftoppers who got engaged

950
00:52:37.820 --> 00:52:40.329
on the Empire State Building's antenna last month came back

951
00:52:40.369 --> 00:52:45.130
to Manhattan Criminal Court wearing matching leather jacket jean, matching

952
00:52:45.170 --> 00:52:50.679
leather jackets, jeans. and decorative handcuff bracelets. Because that's not

953
00:52:51.380 --> 00:52:53.239
smearing it in the face of people that are there.

954
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:58.610
Ivan Berkus, 32, and Angela Nicolaou, 33, left the building

955
00:52:58.670 --> 00:53:02.010
hand in hand, showed off the faux cuffs, and kissed

956
00:53:02.050 --> 00:53:06.150
for cameras. Nicolaou also displayed her diamond engagement ring in

957
00:53:06.210 --> 00:53:09.880
public for the first time since police returned it. Prosecutors say,

958
00:53:10.309 --> 00:53:12.989
A plea deal may be in the works. Manhattan Assistant

959
00:53:13.010 --> 00:53:16.050
District Attorney Jessica Waldman told the court her office is

960
00:53:16.110 --> 00:53:18.989
in active plea discussions with the couple. Now, their next

961
00:53:19.010 --> 00:53:21.130
appearance is going to be September the 29th. But on

962
00:53:21.170 --> 00:53:25.219
July 1st, police say the East Orange, New Jersey pair

963
00:53:25.300 --> 00:53:30.980
reached the broadcast antenna, which is about 1,454 feet above Midtown.

964
00:53:31.159 --> 00:53:32.780
I would crap my pants if I was that high

965
00:53:32.800 --> 00:53:36.219
in the air. But they got up there, they unfurled

966
00:53:36.380 --> 00:53:39.380
a black banner reading, when the power of love beats

967
00:53:39.619 --> 00:53:43.070
the love of power, the world knows peace. And then

968
00:53:43.119 --> 00:53:47.030
Berkus proposed. All right, Nicolau posted photos from the spire,

969
00:53:47.070 --> 00:53:50.150
including the ring against the Manhattan skyline before they came down.

970
00:53:50.570 --> 00:53:53.570
NYPD emergency service officers waited for the antenna to be

971
00:53:53.610 --> 00:53:56.969
powered off, then climbed after them, and then took custody

972
00:53:57.389 --> 00:53:59.789
of both of them without injury. Police later said a

973
00:53:59.849 --> 00:54:03.409
security door lock on a restricted upper floor had been broken.

974
00:54:03.739 --> 00:54:08.039
The highest public floor is the 102nd floor observation deck.

975
00:54:08.380 --> 00:54:10.880
Berkus told police he wanted to, quote, do something special

976
00:54:10.940 --> 00:54:13.800
for the engagement. Asked about the stunt after their July

977
00:54:14.019 --> 00:54:16.800
2nd arraignment, he said, quote, we believe in love, end quote.

978
00:54:16.860 --> 00:54:19.090
I'm sorry, this is just over the top. Like, it's

979
00:54:19.110 --> 00:54:23.389
not even romantic. It's like, lame. I find it lame,

980
00:54:23.409 --> 00:54:25.300
do you? No. You like it?

981
00:54:26.380 --> 00:54:26.659
Yeah.

982
00:54:27.300 --> 00:54:28.489
Uh-uh. That's lame.

983
00:54:29.679 --> 00:54:31.230
Only because you didn't do it. No.

984
00:54:31.349 --> 00:54:32.809
If my husband was like, we believe in love.

985
00:54:32.829 --> 00:54:34.269
Your husband ain't got the balls to do that.

986
00:54:34.349 --> 00:54:34.820
Yes, he do.

987
00:54:34.829 --> 00:54:35.210
No, he doesn't.

988
00:54:35.449 --> 00:54:37.570
But he wouldn't do it because that is lame. That's

989
00:54:37.610 --> 00:54:38.269
so girly.

990
00:54:38.710 --> 00:54:40.829
We believe in love. I thought it was pretty cool, actually.

991
00:54:41.070 --> 00:54:41.969
This is why we don't get along.

992
00:54:41.989 --> 00:54:42.989
I thought it was pretty awesome.

993
00:54:43.090 --> 00:54:44.090
This is why we don't get along.

994
00:54:44.110 --> 00:54:44.690
I really did.

995
00:54:44.710 --> 00:54:46.670
All right. Well, I'm getting you a flag. And you're

996
00:54:46.690 --> 00:54:48.010
going to mount it on the front of this building.

997
00:54:48.030 --> 00:54:49.469
And it's going to say, we believe in love. And

998
00:54:49.489 --> 00:54:52.070
I want it flown every day. Every day.

999
00:54:52.230 --> 00:54:53.789
You're talking about, oh, my God.

1000
00:54:53.969 --> 00:54:54.289
Every day.

1001
00:54:54.309 --> 00:54:57.139
You sound jelly. I'm not. Just because your husband didn't

1002
00:54:57.159 --> 00:54:57.550
do that?

1003
00:54:58.320 --> 00:54:59.440
My husband did even better.

1004
00:54:59.460 --> 00:55:00.940
Oh, okay.

1005
00:55:00.980 --> 00:55:02.380
He looked me in my eyes and he said, you

1006
00:55:02.400 --> 00:55:03.019
want to get married?

1007
00:55:03.260 --> 00:55:06.199
Well, he did it from 1,640 feet up.

1008
00:55:06.429 --> 00:55:07.570
Well, there would have been.

1009
00:55:07.670 --> 00:55:10.809
Hanging from a thing. I thought that was pretty awesome.

1010
00:55:10.889 --> 00:55:13.969
You would. Yeah, but pretty awesome.

1011
00:55:14.409 --> 00:55:17.719
Oh, my God. Whatever. I would have crapped my pants

1012
00:55:17.739 --> 00:55:18.210
if my husband would.

1013
00:55:18.139 --> 00:55:19.289
Have wanted to go up there. Most people thought, well,

1014
00:55:19.309 --> 00:55:21.170
you're in the minority. That's fine. Because that was a

1015
00:55:21.389 --> 00:55:23.849
viral post like no other.

1016
00:55:23.909 --> 00:55:24.670
I'm so glad for everyone.

1017
00:55:24.690 --> 00:55:28.940
Everybody was putting their branding on there. You don't remember that?

1018
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:31.360
Yes, but I still think it's lame. Well, their lawyer,

1019
00:55:31.480 --> 00:55:35.690
Jason Krinsky, argued the district attorney's office overcharged them. They

1020
00:55:35.730 --> 00:55:39.199
face felony counts of burglary, reckless endangerment and criminal mischief,

1021
00:55:39.239 --> 00:55:42.099
plus misdemeanor charges that have been listed as criminal trespass,

1022
00:55:42.139 --> 00:55:47.039
criminal tampering, possession of burglar tools and disorderly conduct. Officials

1023
00:55:47.099 --> 00:55:49.139
have said a conviction could mean up to seven years

1024
00:55:49.179 --> 00:55:52.199
in prison. The charges are not bail eligible under New

1025
00:55:52.239 --> 00:55:55.469
York law. They were released under court supervision after arraignment.

1026
00:55:55.550 --> 00:55:58.489
The ring was later returned. It was engraved and it's

1027
00:55:58.710 --> 00:56:01.949
engraved with your full potential is on the other side

1028
00:56:01.989 --> 00:56:06.099
of fear. Berkus and Nicolau starred in the 2024 Netflix

1029
00:56:06.260 --> 00:56:08.420
documentary Skywalkers, a love story.

1030
00:56:08.860 --> 00:56:11.570
Made a whole freaking documentary on it, but it's lame.

1031
00:56:11.710 --> 00:56:12.389
I do think it's lame.

1032
00:56:12.409 --> 00:56:14.210
Netflix and everybody thought it was lame.

1033
00:56:14.250 --> 00:56:15.590
We don't all have to agree.

1034
00:56:15.610 --> 00:56:18.250
I don't think anybody agrees with you. I think it's awesome.

1035
00:56:18.289 --> 00:56:21.860
That's fine. Skywalkers, a lame love story. It's fine.

1036
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:23.739
I don't think that's what it was called.

1037
00:56:24.159 --> 00:56:28.300
Which follows their unauthorized climbs and relationship. They have called

1038
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:32.000
the Empire State stunt art and a performance. Before the

1039
00:56:32.039 --> 00:56:34.760
August 24th hearing, they posted that they would respect the

1040
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:38.429
process and accept the consequences of our choices. And after court,

1041
00:56:38.489 --> 00:56:42.989
Nicolau wrote on Instagram, everything can be taken except this.

1042
00:56:43.670 --> 00:56:47.139
The case was adjourned until September. Followers called the fake

1043
00:56:47.159 --> 00:56:51.139
handcuffs ironic. They have not been convicted and plea talks

1044
00:56:51.599 --> 00:56:52.380
are ongoing.

1045
00:56:54.099 --> 00:56:56.179
That's wonderful. And I'm going to tell you what, I

1046
00:56:56.219 --> 00:56:58.139
think it's pretty awesome. What you don't know is the

1047
00:56:58.199 --> 00:56:59.219
history of that couple.

1048
00:56:59.360 --> 00:56:59.739
I don't.

1049
00:56:59.860 --> 00:57:03.719
So they... That's what they do. They met each other climbing.

1050
00:57:03.820 --> 00:57:08.139
They love heights. They love to do adventurous things like that.

1051
00:57:08.590 --> 00:57:11.530
A lot of people propose like parachuting out of planes

1052
00:57:11.590 --> 00:57:14.809
and stuff. This was just their thing. That's how they met.

1053
00:57:14.909 --> 00:57:17.190
That's how they celebrated their love for each other. And

1054
00:57:17.230 --> 00:57:18.989
I don't think it's stupid. I thought it was pretty

1055
00:57:19.050 --> 00:57:19.769
freaking awesome.

1056
00:57:20.750 --> 00:57:24.530
It was awesome until responders had to go up there

1057
00:57:24.929 --> 00:57:27.050
and had to risk that. I'm being so serious. Have

1058
00:57:27.070 --> 00:57:28.750
you watched the videos of the police trying to get

1059
00:57:28.789 --> 00:57:31.139
to them because they wouldn't come down? Because they were

1060
00:57:31.159 --> 00:57:31.639
taking photos.

1061
00:57:31.679 --> 00:57:33.000
Well, they were going to come down.

1062
00:57:33.059 --> 00:57:36.349
Going to nothing. So they had burglar tools. They broke in.

1063
00:57:36.380 --> 00:57:38.889
They went up where they weren't supposed to be. And

1064
00:57:38.909 --> 00:57:40.530
if I had to go up there to get them

1065
00:57:40.550 --> 00:57:44.050
because they believe in love, I'd be pissed. I would.

1066
00:57:44.070 --> 00:57:45.920
I hope you also believe in fall and it's flattened

1067
00:57:45.940 --> 00:57:47.420
all over. Well, I would too if I had to

1068
00:57:47.460 --> 00:57:50.420
go up and get them. I would, too. I would

1069
00:57:50.440 --> 00:57:52.610
be pissed. But that doesn't make what they did any

1070
00:57:52.929 --> 00:57:53.550
less cool.

1071
00:57:54.510 --> 00:57:56.489
But they're making like a mockery of the whole system

1072
00:57:56.510 --> 00:57:58.489
when they're saying we'll take and accept it. And they've

1073
00:57:58.510 --> 00:57:59.670
got their handcuffs on.

1074
00:57:59.789 --> 00:58:02.150
What are they going to get? They're going to get probation, dude.

1075
00:58:02.190 --> 00:58:05.190
They didn't have any records. It's just like people base

1076
00:58:05.230 --> 00:58:08.219
jumping from places they're not supposed to base jump. That's cool.

1077
00:58:08.239 --> 00:58:08.800
It's a thrill.

1078
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:09.800
I like the base jumping.

1079
00:58:09.820 --> 00:58:10.440
It's the thrill.

1080
00:58:10.500 --> 00:58:12.639
I like the base jumping. I just think this whole

1081
00:58:12.679 --> 00:58:16.739
love story about it's stupid. That's why I don't run Netflix, Jim.

1082
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:20.579
They didn't call me and say, Kelly, come run our shows.

1083
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:24.119
Yeah. They didn't say, you know. What? You asked me?

1084
00:58:24.579 --> 00:58:26.820
I mean, did your husband propose to you? Is that

1085
00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:28.039
how that went, Kelly?

1086
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:29.619
No. And if he would have done that, I would

1087
00:58:29.639 --> 00:58:30.250
have said no.

1088
00:58:30.260 --> 00:58:32.800
Proposed to you on the 50-yard line of Tiger Stadium?

1089
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:33.219
No.

1090
00:58:33.579 --> 00:58:34.039
Exactly.

1091
00:58:34.099 --> 00:58:35.860
He looked me into my blue eyes because he knows

1092
00:58:35.900 --> 00:58:36.159
how I am.

1093
00:58:36.159 --> 00:58:37.389
I don't want to hear that because anybody can do that.

1094
00:58:37.409 --> 00:58:39.110
And this is what he said. He said, you want

1095
00:58:39.119 --> 00:58:42.110
to get married? And I said, okay. And it was perfect.

1096
00:58:42.130 --> 00:58:44.829
We didn't have to go climbing buildings and putting flags

1097
00:58:44.929 --> 00:58:45.750
up and believing in them.

1098
00:58:45.769 --> 00:58:46.429
They one-upped you.

1099
00:58:49.659 --> 00:58:50.909
If that is one-upping me.

1100
00:58:51.190 --> 00:58:55.449
That is one-upping everybody, pretty much. I'll be man enough

1101
00:58:55.469 --> 00:58:58.429
to say he one-upped my ass. I didn't climb up

1102
00:58:58.530 --> 00:59:00.530
no 1,500-foot tower.

1103
00:59:00.710 --> 00:59:04.849
They're dressed like they're going to a damn rave for the.

1104
00:59:04.969 --> 00:59:08.070
But that's how they met. I think that's cool.

1105
00:59:08.349 --> 00:59:10.360
I think it's lame. I don't like it. I want to.

1106
00:59:10.369 --> 00:59:11.210
Well, you have that right.

1107
00:59:11.349 --> 00:59:12.590
I do. You have that right.

1108
00:59:12.630 --> 00:59:14.289
And I love... I'm going to respect your right to

1109
00:59:14.329 --> 00:59:15.210
think that's dumb.

1110
00:59:15.269 --> 00:59:18.030
I'm going to respect your thought that you think that

1111
00:59:18.099 --> 00:59:18.639
that's awesome.

1112
00:59:19.159 --> 00:59:21.559
Thank you. I do. I think it's awesome.

1113
00:59:21.599 --> 00:59:22.889
We agreed on something. Shake it.

1114
00:59:23.420 --> 00:59:24.119
Pound it.

1115
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:26.280
If you're not watching, you don't even know what's happening

1116
00:59:26.320 --> 00:59:28.639
right now, but... Yeah. Yeah.

1117
00:59:29.659 --> 00:59:32.179
All right, let's put everybody out there misery by ending

1118
00:59:32.219 --> 00:59:33.000
this show.

1119
00:59:33.599 --> 00:59:33.900
Deal.

1120
00:59:33.920 --> 00:59:36.909
I don't know how much of this will actually make air,

1121
00:59:36.969 --> 00:59:38.409
but I hope y'all enjoyed.

1122
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:41.349
Hey, y'all watch the news. I'm going to be at

1123
00:59:41.369 --> 00:59:44.989
the top of the state capitol with a flag that says,

1124
00:59:45.030 --> 00:59:47.389
I believe in podcasting, and it's going to be so amazing.

1125
00:59:47.409 --> 00:59:49.889
Right. That would be cool.

1126
00:59:49.909 --> 00:59:50.420
You want to do it?

1127
00:59:51.210 --> 00:59:51.789
You can do it.

1128
00:59:51.809 --> 00:59:52.530
Publicity stunt.

1129
00:59:53.570 --> 00:59:55.750
I mean, that's not a big deal. Everybody goes to

1130
00:59:55.769 --> 00:59:58.699
the top of the state capitol. You got to do

1131
00:59:58.719 --> 01:00:01.099
something like do it from the old Mississippi River Bridge.

1132
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:03.199
No, I don't want to be dangerous. I just want

1133
01:00:03.219 --> 01:00:03.780
to like make.

1134
01:00:06.079 --> 01:00:08.039
That takes all the publicity out of it. What are

1135
01:00:08.059 --> 01:00:10.159
we going to do? Stay in front of the studio

1136
01:00:10.179 --> 01:00:10.820
with a lot?

1137
01:00:10.880 --> 01:00:12.380
No, that's what we do. We go to the top

1138
01:00:12.400 --> 01:00:13.780
of the building, but we do it legally. And we

1139
01:00:13.800 --> 01:00:16.340
just like troll all these things that make big news.

1140
01:00:17.150 --> 01:00:19.329
I'm going to go hang from Tiger Stadium Saturday night.

1141
01:00:19.429 --> 01:00:20.349
I can't wait.

1142
01:00:20.449 --> 01:00:20.909
I can't wait.

1143
01:00:21.409 --> 01:00:22.469
Don't say I won't do it.

1144
01:00:23.369 --> 01:00:24.489
I'll catch you if you fall.

1145
01:00:25.630 --> 01:00:26.730
Well, let's hope I don't.

1146
01:00:26.889 --> 01:00:27.070
Okay.

1147
01:00:27.090 --> 01:00:30.059
All right. Any final thoughts?

1148
01:00:30.239 --> 01:00:31.880
No, hell no. Bye. Y'all have a great time.

1149
01:00:31.900 --> 01:00:33.489
You ain't got no final thoughts? No.

1150
01:00:33.489 --> 01:00:34.389
That's it for Cromwell?

1151
01:00:34.409 --> 01:00:37.710
Well, I have one. Okay. What? I want to say

1152
01:00:37.750 --> 01:00:40.989
I hope everybody has a fabulous Labor Day this weekend

1153
01:00:41.510 --> 01:00:43.800
because I care about our listeners and I want to

1154
01:00:43.820 --> 01:00:45.920
tell them how much I love them and appreciate them.

1155
01:00:46.900 --> 01:00:50.059
And I want to say go Tigers. And I want

1156
01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.780
to say beat the fake Tigers, which is Clemson.

1157
01:00:53.590 --> 01:00:55.530
You know, guys, I care about you, too, but I

1158
01:00:55.570 --> 01:00:57.150
love you enough to tell you the truth that I

1159
01:00:57.170 --> 01:00:59.929
thought that story was lame. So this is for next time.

1160
01:01:00.110 --> 01:01:00.969
I'm Kelly Jennings.

1161
01:01:01.789 --> 01:01:07.900
I'm what? I'm Jim Chapman. And we're the host of Overtime.

1162
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:08.360
Bravo, Overtime.