Dec. 28, 2025

DTL -The Interviews: Geralyn Desoto’s Sister

DTL -The Interviews: Geralyn Desoto’s Sister
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Season 9

In this episode of DTL, Brandi Barr Armand, the sister of Geralyn Desoto, sits down with Kelly Jennings for an exclusive interview.

Hosted by Kelly Jennings and produced by the experts at Envision Podcast Productions.


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Hey, y'all, kJ You're back with another episode of Unspeakable

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and I am so I don't think excited is the word.

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I am so honored for the episode that I'm going

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to be giving you today because I have someone very

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very special in the studio and even though we've literally

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just met over what the past week, maybe weeks, a

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couple of weeks, I feel like I have a friend,

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and I feel like I have somebody that trusts me

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and that I trust in you and that we can

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give you some really good insight to Jerlyne DeSoto. Why,

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because I have Jerlyn's sister here, miss Brandy bar Armand

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did I say it? Armand Armand yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I'm like Armand So where'd you come in from today?

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Y'all? Drove in from Hamburg? Yeah, so y'all, how long

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did it take you get here?

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About an hour and a half? Oh yeah, yeah, so.

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It took you some time here, and you came with

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some family members, right, and so you have your support

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system here, and that's so important, especially when you're talking

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about something, even if it's been all.

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These years, right right? Yeah, Still, how does it feel.

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Even all these years later that people are interested in

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your sister.

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I don't know, I'm complexed about it. It's like yay

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because she's you know, she's still living on But then

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like oh man, yeah, you know it happened.

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Right, and it brings it back. So I want to

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start here. We've all heard the stories of what happened

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the bad, right, I don't even want to go there

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right now. I want to start with who. What was

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it like with your sister? She was your older sister.

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Yeah, she was the middle.

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She was the middle.

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Yeah, perfect, perfect kid.

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She was good. Huh oh yeah, were you good?

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I knew no, yeah, So did you look up to her?

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Though? I did?

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And oh yeah I did.

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What were the things that made you love her? And

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then look up to her?

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She was just easy, you know, even whenever we thought

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it was funny, you know, like I have we have

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an another older sister, she's the oldest. Sissy was the middle,

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and I'm the youngest. Me and my oldest sister, Oh, look,

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were still but heads today. But when me and Sissy

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would fight, which is was kind of rare, it was

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still funny after, like she would make a joke after.

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It's kind of like in marriage, you know, you start fighting,

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but you love each other and so so sissy, where'd

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that come from?

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I'm not sure it was there before I was.

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Born, and you just fell in place. Yeah, I guess

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your older sister called her sissy.

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Maybe yeah, maybe, so I got you.

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Yeah, So tell me about her personality. So when when

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y'all were growing up, what was she like?

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She was a character.

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She just always made jokes and everything kind of was

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like a contest to her, you know, because she had

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to be the best. It had to be, you know,

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perfect everything. But other that, she was easy going.

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Easygoing but competitive. Oh yeah, and she played basketball right yeah?

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Oh yeah, what position? Do you know?

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Gotcha?

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Yeah?

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She shut threes all the time? Really, oh yeah, most

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of the time. She would make majority of the points

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in the game. She was just always popping three.

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And that was in high school.

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Yeah. Where'd she go of Valls High?

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Okay? Yeah, and so she could. She was just competitive

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as all get out. And I love that spirit. That

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what gives you that feisty uh spirit because I was

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an athlete. Yeah, and I love that about her. And

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then she graduated high school early.

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Yeah.

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Now was she very studious or was it just easy

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for her?

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Did she study a lot.

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Or I never seen her study, but as far as

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I know, she made straight a's. I think she made

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a B one time in like elementary.

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School and the horror. Oh yeah, it was just it

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was in the world.

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Yeah, and real quick, the age difference between y'all five

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years five, So she kind of was motherly, I would,

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I would guess, and away to you, like, was the

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g she wasn't?

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No, she was, Yeah, she's She remained in the sister position,

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which is probably why we got along a lot better

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than me and my oldest sister, because my oldest tried.

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To tried to bother hen you.

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Yes, yeah, yeah. My own kids are like that, my

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oldest one. There's a big age gap between them, and

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she tries to mother them. They're like, you're not my mom.

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Your daughter's here with us for the camera. Her daughter's

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off screen here and she's going to nursing school, right,

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and she's got some good things going on. But she

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never got to meet your sister, right, right? So how

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long after your sister's death was she born? Nina the

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next year, very next year? Yeah, she was born three.

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Were you pregnant?

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No?

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Okay, at least at least you don't know if you were,

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I will tie you into it, all right. So let's

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talk about Darren for a second. What when did you

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meet him? I guess I was about thirteen when I

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met him, and so she would have been eighteen. Yeah, okay,

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what'd you think of him when you first met him?

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He looked old?

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He looks older.

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He looked old like he did like he was already

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had a receding hairline and stuff, and it was just

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it was a big difference from the only other boyfriend

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I knew she had, like looks wise.

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Yeah, and so she dated I know that you had

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told me in prior conversation she had a boyfriend through

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high school. Yeah, but then they broke up and she

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started dating Darren. Uh yeah, like her senior year.

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Huh, well, junior year because she graduated early.

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Oh that's right, you're right, Yeah, good call. And I

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was a high school teacher. You think I could have

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handled that one, all right? But then then they got

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married pretty soon after or how did that go?

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I'm I'm not really sure how soon after?

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It was probably like a year because she was at

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LC for Louisiana College. Yeah, first semester, and then she

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got married and that's when she transferred to LSU.

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So and you were you were young. So that's why

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whenever I like the listeners to understand too. You know,

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you're recalling your memory back when you were thirteen, you know, thirteen,

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fourteen years old. You try that, see how all things go,

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and you probably don't absorb or no, we don't. We

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don't absorb everything like we wish we could have looking

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back on it right, right, because it's been so long.

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So she was at louisinga college and then Darren.

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What made them.

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Darren's job, Darren's job, yeah, was baton rouge or somewhere

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down here.

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He worked at a plant.

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Okay, so it's a lot easier and cheaper for them

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to move this way.

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Gotcha, and Mama and daddy tell me about daddy and

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mama because I know that you told me your daddy

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wouldn't want to mess.

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With Oh no, oh no.

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He always lifted weights and stuff like every other day.

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And then you know, he would come home and tell

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us that he would live weights with the inmates, and

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the inmates would be like, oh, mister Barr, you can't

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do that.

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And he's popping four.

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Horn because where did he work at the prison where

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Cotton Port. Yea, yeah, he worked at the Cotton Port prison,

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which is really neat, you know, in a strange turn

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of events, it's it's actually really really neat that he

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was with these inmate and he liked his job, didn't he.

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Oh yeah, yeah, he taught auto body repair over there,

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so he went like in the prison.

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He was at the quote unquote votex.

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Out right, but still he's with the inmates, right, Yeah.

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Do you think he had a heart for those inmates?

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Did he ever talk about any of them saying how

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you know he saw good in them or anything like that.

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Not really.

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He never really talked about his job when he come home.

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When he come home, it was home.

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Yeah, and that wasn't the thing. I'm just thinking long term,

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how you know he invested in these guys, trying to

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help them turn their lives around, and then look all

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these years later, I wonder if.

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That Yeah, I never would never really talked about it though. Yeah, yeah,

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I gotcha.

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So Darren looked like an old guy to you. And

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then they got married and she was young, right, she

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was eighteen. Yeah, tell me about the wedding.

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Oh, look, it was it was huge.

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You know, yeah, and technically she was the only kid

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so far to do stuff right. You know, graduate high school,

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get engaged, then get married, and you know, all the

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right steps you're supposed to do. And you know, they

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went all out.

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Mama.

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Mama made most of the decorations and they had I

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think five, five or six bridesmaids and groomsmen.

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It was pretty big.

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It was big. Yeah. And those dang shoes, she had

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to have those shoes died.

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Oh yeah, oh yeah. They had to match.

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And so I know, I said in the episode that

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they after they got married, they went to like A

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B and B for their honeymoon, and then they came

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back and that's when they.

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Did they already have the trailer.

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I'm not sure.

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Okay, yeah, I'm not sure when they got the trailer,

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but I remember them getting the trailer and having to redo.

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It because it was old.

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It was kind of an old, yeah, funky one.

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It was a little two bedroom. I don't know. The

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kitchen was in the living room was probably the size

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of this room.

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Talk to me about the Talk to me about the trailer.

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If I'm walking in the front door of that trailer,

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what's the layout.

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You were in the living room. But if you take

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like literally one step to the right, you're in the kitchen. Okay,

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Like it's a little bitty, right, it was so tiny.

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So you walk in the living room and the kitchen

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is to the right, and then is there a hall

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the other direction?

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Yes, yeah, right past their TV against the back wall

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was a hall, and then it was the other bedroom

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and a small bathroom.

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And their bedroom was at the end.

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At the very end. Okay, because the layout, it's interesting

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whenever you're researching in your you know, and I'm thinking

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about the story and what happened, I got I have

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such a very vivid visual of what I think it

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looked like.

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Yeah, but in my mind, her bedroom was to the right.

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Oh really, that in that crazy I just I don't

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know why. But the bedroom was to the right. And

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that's so I don't know why. But it's interesting how

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you build a story in your head, you know. But so,

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the and the trailer where it was located was not

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right on the service road, which is something a lot

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of people thought that it was right there off the highway.

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Oh right, yeah, it was. I'm guessing at least seven

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trailers down. It was in the middle, like.

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Back from the highway, right, So to see her.

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You had to go down.

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You had to be down. You wouldn't have just seen

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it from the But what did she drive? A black

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Mustang GT so a nice car? Yes? Was it a

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newer one or was.

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It they special ordered it during that time?

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So do you think that caught attention? Probably because oh.

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Look, when you started that thing, you just you just

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sat there because it was just it purred.

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Did it? Yeah?

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And it was a nice car.

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And I always wondered too in my own mind before

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ever meeting you or anything, you know, what would draw

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attention to her that, you know, in a trailer park

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and a little beauty one. It's not like she was

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flashing money or something like that. What is it that

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would draw attention to her? And that car sticks out

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to me? Right? I think so too, Like if you

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go to a gas station or something, people would.

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Oh yeah, look at it. Yeah, especially when you started,

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Yeah what.

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It sounded like it? Did it have that rumble?

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It?

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Did it?

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Did my neighbor has that his truck? Yeah, you know

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in the morning times?

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I want it? Awesome? Okay, So they got married, they

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moved into the trailer. Now I know that based on

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my readings my research, there were no police reports of this,

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but it seems like it was a known fact, I know,

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not to the family, but that he was not being

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very nice to Geraline the husband, right, So can you

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expand on that some more, kind of how what you

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found out or what you knew at any point in time.

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He didn't like how she dressed, which, like I'm dressed now.

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She just dressed modest all the time. But you know,

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as I guess, as life goes on, other parts of

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your body get a little bit bigger and you wear

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the same shirts, so they might be a little tighter,

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you know, and they was. He was cheap, so she

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didn't get new clothes and she just wore those. But

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he would still get mad at stuff like that. And

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then she smoked and he didn't like that either. He

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was just very controlling.

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Now today, I'm Darren, you married her, you asked her

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to marry you, sir. Yeah, so she gained a little weight, right,

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and he didn't like what she was wearing. But they

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didn't have a lot of money, correct.

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I don't know if they didn't have a lot of

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money or if he just wouldn't give her any money.

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Because she didn't.

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She had a little job, yes, on campus, right, but

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she wasn't making much.

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No, Yeah, and he worked out a plant and back

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then you made decent yeah, but he just wouldn't spending

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it on her.

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Was it kind of the mentality of I'm the breadwinner,

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I make the money, so I make the decisions, you.

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Think, yeah, oh yeah, definitely.

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But that car? Did he buy her that car? Or

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how did that?

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No? I don't think he did.

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Like they had another little Beepop pro little single cab truck.

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But I think he traded in her car for that

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for him, but just said it was hers because he

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traded in her car, you.

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Know what I mean?

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Yeah, okay, so selfish, Yeah, selfish would be a good

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price now. But as far as the abuse goes, there

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were no police, There was no documented she never called.

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No but friends or how did y'all find out that

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that was happening.

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She had come home one time because he slapped her,

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and apparently that might have been the slab that she

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wanted to speak about and come home and tell us

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about it in the face or I assume it was

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in the face. I didn't really get too much details.

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Again, you were younger yeah, yeah, I just remember her

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coming home she told Mama or yeah, would mama, do

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you remember anything about they didn't?

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Mama and them was pretty private if something was going wrong.

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Since I was young, I didn't really hear a whole lot.

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Yeah, it's kind of a blessing. Yeah, you know in

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a weird way that that was. But she was talking

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with her friends, correct, Yeah, can you tell me more

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about that.

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I know she has spoke with Claire about it, like

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early on in their relationship and stuff.

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And I think she could find a lot in Robbie.

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And Robbie was a female, which you actually taught me

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that I thought, for some reason my mind, Robbie was

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a male, And I think that's kind of important actually,

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so little details like that, you know, you can only

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you only know what you research and what you find online.

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And then you meet these family, these family members. I'm like, oh, well,

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you know what, So she stayed with this guy, Robbie

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And she's like, no, Robbie's a girl.

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Yeah, you don't know.

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And that's why I always want to reach out and

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I want to ask these things. Yeah, because that's how

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it gets misconstrued. You know.

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Oh, well, she was living with this guy, right, No.

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She wasn't.

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Yeah, it was her friend Robbie.

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Yeah.

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Do you still talk to them, by the.

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Way, No, I do have Robbie on Facebook. I had

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found her whenever I was trying to plan her fortieth

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birthday and stuff.

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Like that, your sister's fortieth, right, Yeah.

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I was trying to find old, older people that hadn't

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been around, you know.

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Yeah, And I found her then and we talked a

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little bit.

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But that's right life, right, Yeah, And Claire was her

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best friend right.

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During high school and stuff.

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Did did Claire want her to marry Darren? Or was

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she strongly against it? I guess, is what I'm trying

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to say.

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I think so from what I've heard, Like I've never

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heard it come out of Claire's mouth, but from other people,

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that's what I've heard. She didn't really like like Darren

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too much.

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What do you think you know your sister best. Do

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you think she settled? Do you think she just wanted

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to have a marriage or get married or I think

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she thought it was the right thing to do at

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that time, you know. Yeah, But then once once the

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ideas were done, she kind of started right not liking

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it very much.

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Right, It wasn't.

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It didn't match our home life and what we grew

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up in and what we've seen how marriage was supposed

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to be with our parents.

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Because your parents were loving. Right, tell me about your

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parents' marriage, Like, what did you experience in the home.

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I've never heard them fight, actually, I like, until I

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got to you in my thirties. You know, now they

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have littlettle spats in front of me. I'm just like,

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can we go back till like when I was twelve?

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Right?

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But I never knew anytime they had disagreements. I never

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knew anytime they had hardships because they always kept that private.

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They kept it from.

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Us, and they were loving and they were tender. And oh,

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what you told me about your dad made me just

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want to love him like he loved his girls.

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Oh yeah, he would take us hunting, he'd play he'd

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play basketball with Sissy out there and Sissy would smoke them.

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Yeah every time. And then you get married and this

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man is treating you completely right.

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And I think that's why she didn't say too much

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because it didn't match what we grew up in, and

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she knew it was wrong, but she didn't know how

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to tell My mom and dad that she was living

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wrong in her eyes when it you know.

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And she used to be in a winner, right, right.

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You had said something to me about you you thought

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maybe she didn't want to fail, right, definitely, like it

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might have let them down? Yes, oh yeah, yeah, bless

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her heart.

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Oh yeah.

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You know how old are you now? Me too? Okay,

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well that's what's gonna say, 'runn our forties now?

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And I think back to when I was.

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Eighteen, and you feel stuck maybe, or you feel.

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You don't know what to do.

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You don't have the skills yet, you don't have the

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skill set yet, right, And she's trying her best.

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And she really was. And thank god, she wrote a

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lot of stuff down. You know. That was her outlet.

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Because she I guess she was just too ashamed to

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tell people a whole lot. Yeah, Like I know, she

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confided in her friends, but she probably kept the real

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deep stuff in her journal.

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Did y'all?

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And I know the journal. And by the way, listeners,

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I did read a book I've been watching you. This

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one's by Susan Mustafa, and Tony Clayton is in this

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He was the prosecutor in the detail case as well

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as Sue Israel, but a pretty cool insight. But something

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that was interesting to me was that she did quote

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writings in this book of your sister. But then when

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I asked you did were all of her contacted when

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this book was being written?

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You told me no, not that I knew or not

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that you know it?

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Right?

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Yeah, okay, So do you know the writings in here

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is the I mean they're quoted, so it must be.

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Yeah, they did have as evidence pieces of her journal

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because she talked a lot about Darren in there.

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I got you. So whenever it came down to Darren

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being thought of as possibly have done this, right, that's

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why got you. Have you seen that journal?

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Yeah?

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Do you have it?

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Or is it what my mom hasn't?

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I got it? And so did she have any happy

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times in it? You know? Or was it?

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I think it was more just like a outlet, right,

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it wasn't. It wasn't a happy journal like oh today

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went great. No, it was it was more expressing how

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crappy her day went, yeah, you know, or how crappy

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her marriage is and stuff.

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Like and some of these.

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One of the quotes that was in the book I

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was going to read it says, you never get used

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to the mean outbursts and cursing, pushing around, slamming against walls,

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throwing things. Never he always complains because he says, I

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run my mouth too much. To me, you're running my mouth.

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Is my attempt to make things better through trying to

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reason with him, But every single time he shuts that door,

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he shuts me out.

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He makes me hate him. I mean, that's pretty right.

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It was bad.

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It was It was pretty sad, so that that was

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the only outlet she had was a journal.

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Yeah, and he just wouldn't listen.

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I you know, one more, It says I cannot handle

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the pain and anger and disgust he puts on me

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when he curses me, worse than he curses his own enemy.

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Right now, I could honestly say that we are each

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other's worst enemy. At the moment. I cannot think of

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any other person that I truly dislike and have a

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grudge against but him, And I'm sure he can say

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the same for me. She wrote pretty well for a.

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Oh yeah she was brilliant. Yeah for us, Yeah, she's brilliant.

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Wow, And no wonder she was doing good in school then, right,

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So let's talk about that. So she wanted to. She's

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in a terrible marriage. She's living in her little trailer.

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She doesn't have a lot of stuff, but she's still

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chasing the dream of going to college.

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Yeah.

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Do you know much about that experience or what her

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plans were?

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Not too much. I want to say.

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She was going for occupational therapists. She wanted to work

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with sports people and stuff like that. Yeah, it's from

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what I was told, you know, it's obviously. Yeah, she

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had to stay in the sports field.

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Yeah. You So she went and she paid her fees

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that day for class, and then she spoke to her

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friend from that she worked with, and then she went

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back home. Now, when did y'all get the phone call?

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As far as you best remember, and can you tell

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me about because you were there when that call came in.

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Can you talk to me, talk me through it.

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What are you see in?

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What are you feeling?

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I had my niece and my nephew was playing on

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the floor with him. There was I don't know, three

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or two. They was real young, and because my older

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sister was working nights and stuff, so mom was there.

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Mom answered the phone and it's you know, back in

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the day, so we still had a Cord on the

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phone and she I just hear say what you know?

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And she slides down the wall and I, you know,

491
00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.279
my niece and my nephew ran to her, you know,

492
00:21:10.359 --> 00:21:11.519
not knowing what's going on.

493
00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:13.400
They just see Ma mall on the floor.

494
00:21:13.799 --> 00:21:15.720
And then I pick up the phone and it's Daring's

495
00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:18.960
died and he's like, Jerlyn's dead.

496
00:21:19.119 --> 00:21:25.720
Find your dad. That was it? Not a buffer, nothing.

497
00:21:25.480 --> 00:21:28.680
Just here you go in that moment?

498
00:21:28.720 --> 00:21:29.400
What did you.

499
00:21:30.920 --> 00:21:33.519
I don't remember seeing a whole lot.

500
00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:35.599
I just remember. I don't even remember if I hung

501
00:21:35.640 --> 00:21:38.920
up the phone. I just remember saying, I gotta go.

502
00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:41.160
I'm gonna get died because he was at a meeting

503
00:21:41.400 --> 00:21:44.119
and he was a council member for sim Sports, so

504
00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:46.000
he was at one of the council meetings.

505
00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:48.759
And I remember going.

506
00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.880
Outside and I apparently I yelled because one of my

507
00:21:51.880 --> 00:21:55.960
neighbors had told me that I did later. So I

508
00:21:56.000 --> 00:21:59.720
got in their vehicle and I just punched it to

509
00:21:59.759 --> 00:22:03.759
the hall, which is probably three blocks from me, and

510
00:22:03.799 --> 00:22:08.440
I ran in through the through the town hall doors

511
00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:10.200
and then you had to go through another double door

512
00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:12.279
where the meeting was, and I just busted on in

513
00:22:12.400 --> 00:22:15.240
and I was you know that that shocked people when

514
00:22:15.279 --> 00:22:18.440
you bust in, for one, So I already had everybody's attention,

515
00:22:19.279 --> 00:22:21.960
and Daddy was like, what's wrong, and ILL like and say,

516
00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:24.839
she's gone. She's gone, Like I didn't tell him who,

517
00:22:25.200 --> 00:22:28.559
so he didn't know who. He just came and held

518
00:22:28.599 --> 00:22:31.119
me and we hugged on the floor and he's like

519
00:22:31.480 --> 00:22:32.319
who you know?

520
00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:34.079
And I was like, she's gone, She's gone.

521
00:22:34.839 --> 00:22:38.240
And at some point I did I do remember saying sissy,

522
00:22:39.359 --> 00:22:43.079
and he just crumbled even more. And I don't remember

523
00:22:43.119 --> 00:22:44.839
how we got back in the car, but I know

524
00:22:45.319 --> 00:22:47.799
apparently I like the keys in the drug whenever I

525
00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:50.119
pulled up, so they put us in a cop car

526
00:22:50.240 --> 00:22:54.000
and I don't really remember getting there or getting out.

527
00:22:54.200 --> 00:22:56.759
I just remember being back in the house, you know,

528
00:22:56.799 --> 00:23:00.400
because everything's kind of like a blur, and Mom and

529
00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:02.200
Dad had just laid in the middle of the floor,

530
00:23:02.319 --> 00:23:03.839
just you know, holding.

531
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:07.839
Each other and no answers, right right, I mean they

532
00:23:08.319 --> 00:23:10.400
she didn't know nothing. Nobody knew nothing. They just knew

533
00:23:10.440 --> 00:23:11.039
she was gone.

534
00:23:12.279 --> 00:23:16.920
So obviously that moment, you're stunned. I don't know what

535
00:23:17.079 --> 00:23:19.519
to think, and so do you know any next steps?

536
00:23:19.559 --> 00:23:20.240
Like what do you do?

537
00:23:21.119 --> 00:23:21.599
I don't know.

538
00:23:21.839 --> 00:23:23.839
All of a sudden, just people started to come into

539
00:23:23.880 --> 00:23:27.680
the house, and our house was full, you know, people

540
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:30.680
started bringing food, and it was just it was kind

541
00:23:30.680 --> 00:23:34.480
of weird to me, you know, because everybody knew she

542
00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:38.000
had passed away, but nobody knew why. But everybody came.

543
00:23:38.119 --> 00:23:41.039
So it was like a weird experience. But you don't

544
00:23:41.039 --> 00:23:44.279
have the answers right because you just like, what's going

545
00:23:44.319 --> 00:23:47.880
on and you just in I guess, limbo.

546
00:23:48.039 --> 00:23:50.400
Just when did the mumblings start?

547
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:54.279
Though? With Darren? I don't mean time frame, but I mean, like,

548
00:23:54.319 --> 00:23:56.119
how did that kind of talk me through it? What

549
00:23:56.119 --> 00:23:58.079
what happened? I mean, at some point you had to

550
00:23:58.119 --> 00:23:58.960
be told something.

551
00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.680
I think whenever he somebody must have told him something,

552
00:24:02.680 --> 00:24:04.559
because at some point mom and dad moved to their

553
00:24:04.599 --> 00:24:08.440
bedroom and it was late, because I know Darren, they

554
00:24:08.440 --> 00:24:10.880
had him in custody. Aaron was talking to him and whatnot,

555
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.640
and I just remember him and his mom and dad

556
00:24:13.759 --> 00:24:16.599
coming through our door and went to mom and dad's

557
00:24:16.640 --> 00:24:17.359
room and he.

558
00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:20.079
So Darren's parents came to y'all's house, yes with Darren,

559
00:24:20.240 --> 00:24:22.680
and all of the parents went and Darren went into

560
00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:23.200
the back.

561
00:24:23.079 --> 00:24:25.799
Room into my mom's room, where they were in the bed,

562
00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:28.440
and he just knelt on the side of the bed,

563
00:24:28.480 --> 00:24:29.440
on Daddy's.

564
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:29.839
Side and.

565
00:24:31.519 --> 00:24:31.839
Cried.

566
00:24:31.880 --> 00:24:38.160
I guess he didn't say anything, just yeah, just was

567
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.119
there basically, So.

568
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.160
Did he ever talk to you all about what he

569
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:46.440
saw or what not? That I know of? He might

570
00:24:46.480 --> 00:24:47.160
have with mom and.

571
00:24:47.160 --> 00:24:49.359
Dad, But because you were again you read, Yeah, I.

572
00:24:49.400 --> 00:24:52.799
Was young, and I kind of had to stay in

573
00:24:52.880 --> 00:24:55.400
my own space, you know, right, because I didn't really

574
00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:56.960
like seeing my mom and dad like that.

575
00:24:57.160 --> 00:24:59.079
I'm sure it was disrupting, especially when you never see

576
00:24:59.079 --> 00:25:01.799
your parents fight, right, and now you're seeing everybody fall apart,

577
00:25:01.839 --> 00:25:02.960
and the strong people like your.

578
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:05.039
Dad, right, he was like the patriarch.

579
00:25:05.039 --> 00:25:07.440
I mean, he was the strong, tough guy, right, and

580
00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:10.480
he's just pieces into pieces.

581
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.640
Yeah, and what could you know all of that that

582
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:14.519
matters to a kid. You're standing there looking at the

583
00:25:14.559 --> 00:25:16.440
tough guy fall apart and you're like, oh, no, what

584
00:25:16.519 --> 00:25:21.680
do we do? Right? And so y'all and I know

585
00:25:21.720 --> 00:25:24.200
you don't know, but through talk me more through that.

586
00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.440
So after Darren came and left, when did it shift though?

587
00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:30.720
In your mind? Did you did they tell you something

588
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:32.799
that made you go, did Darren do.

589
00:25:32.799 --> 00:25:38.119
This at some point. I don't remember who said what

590
00:25:38.480 --> 00:25:41.319
to me, but it was you know, we've had on

591
00:25:41.400 --> 00:25:45.319
that she was murdered and that he was questioned, and

592
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:48.680
then that's when everybody, all the friends started talking about,

593
00:25:48.799 --> 00:25:50.759
you know, what he was doing to her behind her back,

594
00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:53.880
and then we found out about the journal. Then all

595
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:57.799
it just snowballed into oh, maybe you know.

596
00:25:57.799 --> 00:25:59.240
Maybe he did do it, because.

597
00:25:59.039 --> 00:26:00.559
There was no answer at that right, There was no

598
00:26:00.880 --> 00:26:01.839
yeah anything, right?

599
00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:02.240
Right?

600
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.160
Did your dad when he found out that Garylyn was

601
00:26:06.200 --> 00:26:07.960
being abused like that? Did he ever?

602
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.480
He just melted even more.

603
00:26:10.880 --> 00:26:13.160
You know at that point, I didn't think he had

604
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:14.960
any fight left, you know what I mean?

605
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.920
Yeah, Well, that's his right role in his mind, you know. Well,

606
00:26:19.200 --> 00:26:21.519
you know, daddy protects that daddy loves, and he gave

607
00:26:21.559 --> 00:26:25.559
his daughter away to the man who was, yeah, then

608
00:26:25.599 --> 00:26:26.279
mistreating her.

609
00:26:26.480 --> 00:26:27.359
Can I cuss on him?

610
00:26:27.519 --> 00:26:27.680
Hell?

611
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:27.960
Yeah?

612
00:26:27.960 --> 00:26:29.200
What you want to say, girl.

613
00:26:29.279 --> 00:26:30.000
To the asshole?

614
00:26:30.119 --> 00:26:34.160
Yeah? Yeah, that's minor compared to this from what I said.

615
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:37.720
So at was there any point that y'all kind of

616
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:40.720
had to start distancing yourselves from Hilm because of the situation.

617
00:26:41.000 --> 00:26:43.400
No, I think he did, and that's what made it

618
00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:46.599
seem more like it was him, you know, because he

619
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:52.119
become pretty much nonexistent, didn't check in. I think I

620
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:55.599
ran into him once at her grave, just one time,

621
00:26:55.680 --> 00:26:58.240
and I would go every day after she passed away,

622
00:26:58.240 --> 00:27:00.039
for probably two years out go.

623
00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:01.640
Every day, what are you doing there?

624
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:06.359
Just just sitting hanging out, you know, just going by.

625
00:27:06.480 --> 00:27:07.759
But I ran into him once.

626
00:27:09.000 --> 00:27:09.680
Did he say anything?

627
00:27:10.519 --> 00:27:12.079
No?

628
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:15.480
No, And I didn't really say too much either. Probably

629
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:18.680
probably was best in my mind not to say what

630
00:27:18.720 --> 00:27:19.519
I wanted to say.

631
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:22.200
Yeah, I'm trying to imagine standing there and you see

632
00:27:22.200 --> 00:27:24.920
the person that you at that moment you think And

633
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:27.319
I'm not saying he did it. I'm just saying you,

634
00:27:27.319 --> 00:27:29.519
you know, in that moment, were okay. I mean I

635
00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:31.759
would have been violent.

636
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:34.440
Yet That's why I was like, let me just let

637
00:27:34.480 --> 00:27:36.000
me just go, let me just go do my thing.

638
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:38.799
So did y'all feel as if the police were doing

639
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.400
everything they could or what what was the feeling here,

640
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:44.359
because if he's walking around and y'all are wondering, you know.

641
00:27:46.440 --> 00:27:50.000
Honestly we did. But at the same time, my dad

642
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:54.720
was in law enforcement before, like before I was five.

643
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:56.559
The last time he was chief of police in simms

644
00:27:56.559 --> 00:27:58.359
word All was five and he was in law law

645
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:02.680
enforcement for probably ten years or so around that time.

646
00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:06.920
So we know the process and we know it's not overnight.

647
00:28:07.160 --> 00:28:10.559
Yeah, that's probably a blessing in disguise that you could

648
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:13.559
relax or understood.

649
00:28:13.799 --> 00:28:15.960
Right, Yeah, we knew we had to wait.

650
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:18.400
And did the police. You know, there's evidence that y'all

651
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:19.799
knew there was some evidence or.

652
00:28:19.759 --> 00:28:21.680
No what they had.

653
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:23.680
The only thing they told us was that she put

654
00:28:23.759 --> 00:28:27.039
up a fight. She put up a big fight, and

655
00:28:27.640 --> 00:28:29.960
you know, at some point he must have rushed her

656
00:28:30.359 --> 00:28:34.640
whenever there was in the living room and she went.

657
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:35.279
To the bedroom.

658
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:38.720
And at first we thought that maybe she got shot

659
00:28:38.839 --> 00:28:41.920
because there was a gun that was involved somewhere in

660
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:45.599
the crime scene. But I think she picked it up

661
00:28:46.039 --> 00:28:48.599
thinking it was loaded to you know.

662
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:51.079
Help shoot him. Yeah, and it wasn't.

663
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:54.920
And I think they said that he took it from

664
00:28:54.920 --> 00:28:57.279
her and he must have hit her in the face with.

665
00:28:57.240 --> 00:28:59.400
The stock of it, which was what he did to

666
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:03.000
majority of his victims. Yes, was hit them in the face.

667
00:29:03.839 --> 00:29:04.640
But she fought.

668
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.079
Oh yeah, oh yeah.

669
00:29:07.279 --> 00:29:09.000
That brings me satisfaction.

670
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:11.880
Oh yeah, and look, she was probably about my size

671
00:29:11.880 --> 00:29:15.039
that I am now but strong like it was.

672
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:19.720
It was solid. I'm not solid. She she had some power.

673
00:29:20.359 --> 00:29:22.400
Yeah, she wasn't going without a fight for sure.

674
00:29:22.519 --> 00:29:23.200
Oh yeah.

675
00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:24.160
And so.

676
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:28.200
The DNA and all of that, and I know, listen,

677
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:32.079
I've probably researched it more than than you have, you know,

678
00:29:32.119 --> 00:29:35.960
and I understand that. But let me back up. DNA

679
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:38.440
takes a while to come in. But y'all had to

680
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:41.480
plan her funeral. Yes, and what day did that funeral

681
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:41.880
fall on?

682
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:47.160
We buried her on my birthday? On your birthday? Talk

683
00:29:47.200 --> 00:29:47.599
about that.

684
00:29:49.039 --> 00:30:05.160
Yeah, Yeah, you're good. There's no rush, you're good.

685
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.400
You know. Someone online said, while you're doing that, someone

686
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:25.079
online said, it's been all these years, why don't why

687
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:29.039
can't people just let this go? Yeah, there's your answer.

688
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:33.319
There's your answer to me. And that's why I get

689
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:36.440
so passionate about this. There is your answer. That's why

690
00:30:36.440 --> 00:30:40.200
people don't let it go? Right And for someone even

691
00:30:40.240 --> 00:30:43.599
say that, how dare you? People write crazy things, but

692
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.519
how do you? Because that that is why you don't

693
00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:47.640
let it's not over.

694
00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:51.839
Pray it feels fresh a lot of times. A lot

695
00:30:51.839 --> 00:30:55.359
of time, it still feels like it was yesterday, you know. Yeah,

696
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.759
Because even though I'm forty my brain. When we talk

697
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:01.440
about certain things, it goes back to how I felt

698
00:31:01.480 --> 00:31:03.319
when I was sixteen seventeen.

699
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:07.680
Yeah, you know, yeah, and sixteenth birthday. It's supposed to

700
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:10.519
be like you know, getting a driver's license over and

701
00:31:10.759 --> 00:31:14.640
you know, and you're looking at your sister, right, yeah,

702
00:31:15.279 --> 00:31:19.119
you know obviously it wasn't planned, no yea for your birthday.

703
00:31:19.240 --> 00:31:21.319
But you had to wait for her, for them to

704
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.359
get done, you know, with her autopsy and clean her up,

705
00:31:24.359 --> 00:31:27.720
which they did. They did pretty good, I have to say,

706
00:31:27.799 --> 00:31:29.799
even though they parted her hair the wrong way, but

707
00:31:30.640 --> 00:31:37.319
we fixed it. But yeah, because I think mom, they

708
00:31:37.319 --> 00:31:40.799
wanted the casket opened for the family, immediate family before

709
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:41.759
all the public come in.

710
00:31:43.079 --> 00:31:46.160
So that's probably why it took a little while, you know.

711
00:31:47.000 --> 00:31:49.799
And you said she looked beautiful. She did, and I

712
00:31:49.880 --> 00:31:54.960
love that, you know that that's your parting. I guess.

713
00:31:55.440 --> 00:32:00.200
You know, sight is not something that right. You know,

714
00:32:00.200 --> 00:32:03.440
it could have been right, I could have, you know,

715
00:32:03.640 --> 00:32:04.599
at least I got to see her.

716
00:32:04.680 --> 00:32:06.160
Yeah, yeah, that's what I'm trying to say.

717
00:32:06.319 --> 00:32:07.880
So, right, and you told me she had on a

718
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.079
purple turtleneck or what didn you say, purple turtleneck or

719
00:32:11.119 --> 00:32:12.279
a turtle eight turtleneck.

720
00:32:12.279 --> 00:32:14.240
I don't remember. I think it was a striped one.

721
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.000
Oh I made up purple then my mind.

722
00:32:16.079 --> 00:32:18.599
See I think it was like maroonish purple.

723
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:24.440
Okay. And you gave her a necklace, Oh yeah, a charm,

724
00:32:24.599 --> 00:32:25.039
a charm?

725
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:25.480
Yeah?

726
00:32:25.519 --> 00:32:28.680
So did you did you buy that? Ahead?

727
00:32:28.720 --> 00:32:30.640
Like you went talked me through it, you know, like.

728
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:35.359
Whenever they told us when the arrangements were and stuff.

729
00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:38.319
I had one of my cousins bring me to Walmart

730
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.440
and I was just looking around, like I didn't plan

731
00:32:40.519 --> 00:32:44.839
on buying anything, and I was just you know, autopilot

732
00:32:44.839 --> 00:32:48.079
and Walmart, and I come across this little heart that

733
00:32:48.160 --> 00:32:52.440
had two sides and little sister a big sister, and

734
00:32:52.720 --> 00:32:55.640
I bought it, and I, you know, I placed one

735
00:32:55.680 --> 00:32:58.880
on her chest, hers her big sister on the chest, and.

736
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:00.240
I kept mine on a neck Clint.

737
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:01.839
Yeah.

738
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.920
And I awore it for years until, like I don't know,

739
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.319
probably the last five years. I took it off because

740
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:11.440
it was so thin for me wearing it that I

741
00:33:11.440 --> 00:33:12.920
thought it was going to break and fall off. So

742
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:13.920
I didn't want to lose it, so.

743
00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:15.400
I had to take it off, put it in a

744
00:33:15.480 --> 00:33:16.920
jewelry box, and Okay.

745
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:17.559
It kills me.

746
00:33:17.640 --> 00:33:19.680
It kills me not to wear it, because I awore

747
00:33:19.720 --> 00:33:21.799
it forever from that day.

748
00:33:22.119 --> 00:33:27.920
Yeah, but I'd rather Yeah. Yeah, it's so sentimental. And

749
00:33:27.960 --> 00:33:29.640
you know that she has the other half, right, So

750
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.559
I get that totally. And so services were held, yourn

751
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:38.640
was your uncle the pastor? Yes? And and yeah did

752
00:33:38.640 --> 00:33:39.279
her services?

753
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:41.079
He did, and he did a good job.

754
00:33:41.759 --> 00:33:44.359
And so after that took place, this was in the

755
00:33:44.440 --> 00:33:47.039
media correct or was it years?

756
00:33:47.200 --> 00:33:47.960
No, it wasn't.

757
00:33:48.240 --> 00:33:53.480
Actually they followed us when we had to pass it

758
00:33:53.559 --> 00:33:56.240
through the church that they got married in. So after

759
00:33:56.279 --> 00:33:59.480
the funeral home, we went to Ploscheville, which is I

760
00:33:59.519 --> 00:34:02.799
don't know, ten minutes fifteen minutes from where the funeral

761
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:07.599
home was. And I remember seeing news channel vans on

762
00:34:07.640 --> 00:34:11.440
the side of the road watching the brigade come by,

763
00:34:12.760 --> 00:34:15.960
and I thought that was tacky, you know, like can you.

764
00:34:16.000 --> 00:34:19.119
Just wait, yeah, give us a minute to breathe.

765
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:23.119
Right, And then after we buried her and most of

766
00:34:23.159 --> 00:34:27.119
the people were gone, they were there. They showed up

767
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:32.800
there at the at the grave site.

768
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:33.800
And that did you feel it was intrusive?

769
00:34:33.920 --> 00:34:35.519
Or oh yeah, I was pissed.

770
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:37.440
Yeah, I can imagine.

771
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:41.039
Oh yeah, And nobody. Everybody was just they walked past them,

772
00:34:41.039 --> 00:34:43.239
they kept trying to talk to people or whatever, and

773
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:44.840
everybody was pretty pissed off.

774
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.840
Yeah, it makes you think. It really does make you think.

775
00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:50.039
You watch the news and you're like, oh wow, and

776
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:51.719
you want to know what happened, but you don't put

777
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:54.280
yourself on the other side of it, going, right, like

778
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:56.519
why are you here filming this? Right?

779
00:34:56.599 --> 00:34:59.199
This is tough enough, and then you're going to broadcast it.

780
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:03.519
Yeah, yeah, and then it doesn't go away in this instance, right,

781
00:35:03.760 --> 00:35:05.559
because it's brought up.

782
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.239
Yeah, they had a few news people that would call

783
00:35:08.320 --> 00:35:11.599
mom and them after and I remember them doing only

784
00:35:12.480 --> 00:35:15.679
one that I can think of. But I didn't hang

785
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:18.480
around for that, you know, I didn't. I stayed out

786
00:35:18.480 --> 00:35:20.320
of it for the most part. And that was the

787
00:35:20.360 --> 00:35:24.800
one and only time I remember them ever talking publicly

788
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:25.920
about it, you know.

789
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.440
So they've kept that private majority of Yeah, the time,

790
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:37.039
I'm sure. I mean, when people share their stories, what

791
00:35:37.679 --> 00:35:40.800
strength I guess to be willing to I don't know.

792
00:35:40.800 --> 00:35:42.840
I would feel like I would me and I like to.

793
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:45.480
I like to share stories about people and the truth

794
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:48.960
and get to know these victims. And even in times

795
00:35:49.000 --> 00:35:50.519
when I do that. I do sit back and reflect

796
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:52.159
and go, how would I feel on the other end

797
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:55.239
of this the way I'm saying it, you know?

798
00:35:55.920 --> 00:35:58.440
And it was fresh, it was fresh whenever all these

799
00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:59.760
people were still calling.

800
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:02.440
You're still in shock, right, Yeah, that that's actually what's

801
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:06.599
going on. So how much time went.

802
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:07.639
By before.

803
00:36:08.920 --> 00:36:14.079
They actually cleared Darren? Like you know where y'all were told.

804
00:36:13.920 --> 00:36:15.320
When they had the DNA.

805
00:36:15.440 --> 00:36:17.880
Yeah, but until then, y'all were sus he was totally

806
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:18.320
sussed to you.

807
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.599
Oh yeah, oh yeah, because he completely went no contact.

808
00:36:23.119 --> 00:36:25.280
He didn't visit her grave, he didn't put a headstone

809
00:36:25.320 --> 00:36:27.880
on her grave. He had somebody else he was living

810
00:36:27.920 --> 00:36:30.639
with before her headstone was even on her woman.

811
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.840
Oh yeah, before he headstone was on her grave. Yep. Well,

812
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:39.519
no wonder you thought, right, y'll? Yeah, I mean again,

813
00:36:39.559 --> 00:36:41.880
I'm not I'm just that tacky. I guess with.

814
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:45.760
Wow.

815
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:49.000
So and the trailer did he continue to live there?

816
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:50.199
Do you know?

817
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:50.840
I don't think so.

818
00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.400
Yeah, I don't know how you would yeah do that?

819
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:57.480
But okay, so he moved on rather quickly before she

820
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:03.480
even had a headstone. And so when the you're good, uh,

821
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:06.199
when the DNA did come back and they said it

822
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:08.840
was not him, or that he was not the main contributor. Actually,

823
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:10.239
I looked up the report. I wanted to see the

824
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.840
medical report. He was just not the main contributor on

825
00:37:12.880 --> 00:37:16.760
the report. But what did your parents? Were they shocked

826
00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:17.719
or were they not?

827
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:18.079
Really?

828
00:37:18.920 --> 00:37:22.320
It was just oh okay, well at least we found somebody.

829
00:37:22.639 --> 00:37:23.719
But he's still a piece of shit.

830
00:37:24.280 --> 00:37:27.079
You know, I got you, I got you. So, but

831
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.760
were you curious about who it was or how they

832
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.800
how he found her or I mean, all these questions

833
00:37:32.800 --> 00:37:34.920
of what the heck happened?

834
00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.239
No, not really, I wasn't.

835
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:39.639
She was just gone.

836
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:41.920
So what I said he was, she was gone. He

837
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.199
was an asshole, he's to me. Whether or not he

838
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.480
killed or not, he did kill her dreams before she

839
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:52.639
had even died. You know, he killed her imagination for

840
00:37:52.760 --> 00:37:54.480
her marriage, what she thought it was going to be,

841
00:37:54.760 --> 00:37:56.320
her life, what she thought it was gonna be like,

842
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:57.719
he ruined it already.

843
00:37:59.639 --> 00:38:01.880
So to me, it doesn't matter.

844
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:09.840
Well, once, once Nerrick Toddley was named and charged with

845
00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.639
your sister's murder, how did that?

846
00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:13.440
How did that go?

847
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:14.840
Like court and everything?

848
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:15.360
What?

849
00:38:15.360 --> 00:38:16.559
What tell me about that?

850
00:38:18.039 --> 00:38:20.639
I don't remember a whole lot of other people I knew.

851
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:23.280
We had a victim's advocate lady. She was really nice.

852
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:26.920
I can't think of her name. She was super nice.

853
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:29.639
She called and checked on mom all the time, you know,

854
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.679
and was like telling her what's going on, who's doing this?

855
00:38:32.880 --> 00:38:32.960
What?

856
00:38:33.320 --> 00:38:33.559
You know?

857
00:38:34.239 --> 00:38:37.840
And if they had like a victim support meeting, she

858
00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:40.360
would say, it's it's this day, I'll come with you.

859
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.280
You know, other parents would be there, other victims, families

860
00:38:43.280 --> 00:38:43.559
would be.

861
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.400
So like a group that could be in a club.

862
00:38:46.440 --> 00:38:49.119
Nobody wants to be a party, but a group nonetheless.

863
00:38:49.199 --> 00:38:53.960
Yeah, So a lot of that started happening, and there

864
00:38:54.000 --> 00:38:55.639
was She was just the main one that kept us

865
00:38:55.639 --> 00:38:58.800
in the loop on when this is happening. When the trials.

866
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.400
Started, you know, and you went to trial the trial,

867
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:02.320
I did every day.

868
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:03.800
I missed one day?

869
00:39:04.000 --> 00:39:04.559
What day was that?

870
00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:07.280
Was it on purpose or was it a I.

871
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:10.880
Thought I was sick, but I turned out I was pregnant.

872
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:12.840
Oh well you were sick.

873
00:39:13.079 --> 00:39:15.159
Yeah yeah yeah yeah wow.

874
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:18.079
But so like when they were putting up top I

875
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.360
don't want to, you know, upset you, but I want

876
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:22.800
to just ask this. When they're putting up crime scene photos,

877
00:39:23.039 --> 00:39:24.280
they paused.

878
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:26.320
Court before that and brought us into another room.

879
00:39:26.519 --> 00:39:27.480
That's what I was gonna ask you.

880
00:39:27.559 --> 00:39:30.199
And I was like, look, this is fixing to come up.

881
00:39:30.280 --> 00:39:32.000
Do you want to look at these photos now? Do

882
00:39:32.039 --> 00:39:34.000
you want to, you know, so you can be prepared

883
00:39:34.039 --> 00:39:36.000
on what it's going to look like, or do you

884
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:40.760
want to leave the courtroom and stuff? I want to say.

885
00:39:40.800 --> 00:39:43.119
I don't think they really looked at it. I don't

886
00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.000
remember if they did or not. And I don't remember

887
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:48.360
if we left the courtroom or not, just because I

888
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.960
guess the shock of it.

889
00:39:51.320 --> 00:39:55.159
It's happening, and there's pictures. Probably I didn't.

890
00:39:54.920 --> 00:39:57.719
Really you didn't look at them though, right, No, I

891
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:00.599
didn't recall a whole lot. I know I seen one

892
00:40:00.639 --> 00:40:04.559
picture because we stayed in the courtroom, but we didn't

893
00:40:04.599 --> 00:40:05.039
look up.

894
00:40:05.599 --> 00:40:05.880
I did.

895
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:07.920
I looked up at one point, and it's still in

896
00:40:08.000 --> 00:40:13.840
my brain to this day of the blood spider around

897
00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:17.559
her washer and dryer in her bathroom and stuff.

898
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.920
And you can't forget it. And it's real, yeah, you know,

899
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:28.679
and so that one sticks, you know, and we don't.

900
00:40:28.519 --> 00:40:29.079
Think about that.

901
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.679
I mean I do now, but you know that's out

902
00:40:34.719 --> 00:40:37.400
there and and.

903
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:43.079
Yeah, wow, So so who else was there?

904
00:40:43.079 --> 00:40:45.199
You told me there were some other people that you

905
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.079
thought were interesting that we're there at the trial.

906
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:53.880
They had Pam Kennimore's mom, who was it, Charlotte's mom,

907
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:58.519
my aunt. I had two aunts there. They were the

908
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.400
the very outspoken ants. My I don't really want to

909
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:03.119
say their name too much. You don't have to, but

910
00:41:03.840 --> 00:41:06.800
they were the loud, loud people in the family and

911
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:11.320
they still are. They came and they talked to the

912
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.760
newspeople and voiced their stuff.

913
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:17.039
With pamkin Moore's mom.

914
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:18.679
What those women were beasts.

915
00:41:18.760 --> 00:41:21.760
I'm sorry she she helped out a lot during that

916
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:25.239
court because they would go out the front where all

917
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:26.400
the news people were.

918
00:41:26.480 --> 00:41:27.800
And get them all.

919
00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:31.599
Hyped up while we cut through the back to avoid

920
00:41:31.679 --> 00:41:32.400
them and stuff.

921
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:33.639
That is amazing.

922
00:41:34.079 --> 00:41:36.639
Yeah, because they lost their daughters too, oh yeah, but

923
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:38.159
they were willing to go out there and be the

924
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:40.840
face of oh yeah, of everything.

925
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:41.760
And give you a break, you know.

926
00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:42.880
Yeah wow.

927
00:41:43.000 --> 00:41:45.320
And they came, did you and uh?

928
00:41:45.920 --> 00:41:48.239
Your the trials? What was the order there?

929
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:49.400
Ours was first?

930
00:41:49.440 --> 00:41:51.559
Yours was first, But they knew that they were going

931
00:41:51.599 --> 00:41:54.480
to be having theirs, yes, and so they showed up

932
00:41:54.679 --> 00:41:57.119
they did and supported your family.

933
00:41:57.199 --> 00:41:58.519
I just I think that's amazing.

934
00:41:58.559 --> 00:42:01.000
They knew ours we would can get the death, planty,

935
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:03.239
but they knew that ours would get life, and they

936
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:04.360
just wanted to be a part of that.

937
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.679
And that's great. I really appreciate that.

938
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:09.679
Yeah. Well, and for all the names that didn't get

939
00:42:09.719 --> 00:42:14.239
to be put on his on the case, right, you

940
00:42:14.239 --> 00:42:15.719
know what I'm saying, I'm sure it felt good to

941
00:42:15.719 --> 00:42:17.840
at least have something solidified that he's going to be

942
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.679
punished and you could be a part of that in

943
00:42:20.760 --> 00:42:23.360
case the other case is failed or anything, because they

944
00:42:23.360 --> 00:42:25.400
didn't know at that time was what was going to happen.

945
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:29.559
So when he's convicted, what happens after that?

946
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.960
We got to do our impact statements and stuff. I

947
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.239
just wrote mine. I couldn't read it. I had somebody

948
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:37.880
else read it.

949
00:42:38.920 --> 00:42:42.480
My mom she read hers, and I don't really remember

950
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:44.159
what they said, and my dad read his.

951
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:48.280
But I remember one part of my dad's that's always stuck.

952
00:42:48.039 --> 00:42:50.840
Out, and I've never I don't remember anything else, but

953
00:42:50.960 --> 00:42:55.320
he did say at one point God said I have

954
00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:58.840
to forgive you, but it don't have to be to day.

955
00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:00.360
Hmmm.

956
00:43:00.960 --> 00:43:02.599
So I was like, you know, to.

957
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:06.880
Che Yeah, you're right, daddy, Yeah, Yeah, I.

958
00:43:06.840 --> 00:43:09.000
Love that Yeah, because he was you know, we was

959
00:43:09.119 --> 00:43:12.360
very big in the church, and I think that's what

960
00:43:12.480 --> 00:43:15.239
helped them a lot through all that.

961
00:43:15.719 --> 00:43:18.639
Yeah. Yeah, faith, I mean faith, you have to you

962
00:43:18.679 --> 00:43:21.559
have to have something, you know, to lean on. Yeah,

963
00:43:21.599 --> 00:43:24.880
and so that that's a good thing. So God says

964
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:26.360
I have to forgive you, but not to not.

965
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:29.159
To day daddy. Yeah, So I used that a lot.

966
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:31.079
Yeah, No, I like it. I almost want to put

967
00:43:31.079 --> 00:43:33.000
her on a T shirt. God says, I forgive you,

968
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:33.639
but not today.

969
00:43:33.719 --> 00:43:33.960
Yeah.

970
00:43:34.000 --> 00:43:37.400
I love it. Maybe we should, maybe we should make

971
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:41.679
a shirt, you know, Jarrelyn's Crew or whatever. But so

972
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:44.400
that happens, and I'm not trying to like quickly sum

973
00:43:44.400 --> 00:43:47.960
it up or anything, but did the did the media

974
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.000
didn't die down note after that, right, because then they

975
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:52.400
had to ramp up for the other right cases? And

976
00:43:52.440 --> 00:43:54.199
so would there be times that you came home and

977
00:43:54.239 --> 00:43:56.239
turn on the TV and there's your sister's name again

978
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:56.920
or there's.

979
00:43:56.719 --> 00:44:01.559
Your yeah, which we didn't. We didn't dive into a

980
00:44:01.559 --> 00:44:04.679
whole lot. We kind of ignored it and stayed away

981
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:06.960
from it really because after our part was over, it

982
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.400
was it was like she died all over again.

983
00:44:09.639 --> 00:44:12.920
So when you were having your victim impact statement? Read

984
00:44:12.960 --> 00:44:14.159
your dad read his own? Correct?

985
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:14.440
Yes?

986
00:44:14.480 --> 00:44:15.400
Did your mama read hers?

987
00:44:15.519 --> 00:44:15.800
Yeah?

988
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:17.400
Okay, but someone read yours for you.

989
00:44:17.840 --> 00:44:21.400
Do you recall if there was any reaction from Derek

990
00:44:21.519 --> 00:44:24.719
Lee Toddley or if there was any anything do you

991
00:44:24.800 --> 00:44:25.840
look he did?

992
00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:27.639
He peaked a few times.

993
00:44:29.559 --> 00:44:33.000
I don't think he made any any comments during that point,

994
00:44:33.400 --> 00:44:33.840
but he did.

995
00:44:33.880 --> 00:44:36.559
He looked like a goofball. He just looked goofy the

996
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:37.119
whole time.

997
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:39.760
You couldn't believe that that was who killed her sister.

998
00:44:39.920 --> 00:44:41.920
He looked goofy.

999
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:45.360
Yeah, I've seen I would have to.

1000
00:44:46.679 --> 00:44:46.920
I know.

1001
00:44:46.960 --> 00:44:48.920
At one point, like during the actual trial, he did

1002
00:44:48.960 --> 00:44:52.079
make a comment. He hated his attorney for one and

1003
00:44:52.119 --> 00:44:53.679
he did say he didn't kill her.

1004
00:44:54.239 --> 00:44:55.800
He said, just out loud, I didn't kill him.

1005
00:44:56.480 --> 00:44:59.400
Oh yeah. He wanted to fire that dejourney the whole time.

1006
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.440
Was there reaction when he said that from you or

1007
00:45:02.480 --> 00:45:04.159
your family? Or is it just kind of like.

1008
00:45:04.239 --> 00:45:06.599
Shut up right? Yeah?

1009
00:45:06.400 --> 00:45:06.480
Ye?

1010
00:45:06.760 --> 00:45:06.960
Down?

1011
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:11.920
You know? Yeah? Yeah, I feel that. Yeah. Do you

1012
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:15.440
still have your victim impact statement? No? Gotcha.

1013
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.360
I have no idea what happened to it after that?

1014
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.000
I got you. I'm sure that's not something that's sentiment. Well,

1015
00:45:20.039 --> 00:45:21.519
you know what I mean, it's not necessarily something you

1016
00:45:21.559 --> 00:45:23.559
want to go revisit that. Yeah, you know you're pouring

1017
00:45:23.559 --> 00:45:26.199
into but you know, Jerlyn wrote everything down or Sissy,

1018
00:45:26.440 --> 00:45:28.920
Sissy wrote everything down, and then y'all got to, you know,

1019
00:45:28.920 --> 00:45:30.880
write it down and so and have your piece.

1020
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:31.519
Was that good?

1021
00:45:32.639 --> 00:45:33.360
Didn't help it all?

1022
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:34.920
Or no? No, not for me?

1023
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:37.079
No, yeah, just getting to say your piece.

1024
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:40.880
Right, yeah, because I mean at that time I still

1025
00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:42.920
had doubts.

1026
00:45:43.400 --> 00:45:45.000
Even at the trial, you had doubts.

1027
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:45.880
Doubts.

1028
00:45:46.079 --> 00:45:48.000
Wow, yeah, how come?

1029
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:52.719
I mean it's hard to pick who's the biggest piece

1030
00:45:52.719 --> 00:45:57.559
of shit? I mean they both seemed guilty to me,

1031
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:00.199
they both had the same If it wasn't for or

1032
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.400
though what it was at mitochondrial DNA, if it wasn't

1033
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:08.039
for that, Darren was just just as guilty.

1034
00:46:08.440 --> 00:46:09.039
What what if?

1035
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.880
So if Darren so Darren Derek Tidley killed your sister?

1036
00:46:14.079 --> 00:46:16.199
What would you have felt if Darren was convicted for

1037
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:20.199
this and Derek Toddley had killed her like like he

1038
00:46:20.320 --> 00:46:21.440
was this close man to.

1039
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:24.880
Be in, right, it would have made more sense.

1040
00:46:25.880 --> 00:46:28.159
Than just some random persace off.

1041
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.440
The street, right, It would have made more sense. Not

1042
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:34.199
that you could understand it more.

1043
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.880
But that but a stranger coming off the street of

1044
00:46:37.960 --> 00:46:39.760
killing your sister, it's just so crazy.

1045
00:46:39.920 --> 00:46:40.840
Right, Yeah, that.

1046
00:46:40.760 --> 00:46:42.800
Doesn't happen, you know what I'm saying. That doesn't happen

1047
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:43.760
to us. That doesn't happen.

1048
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:47.679
But it did. Yeah, and it's unbelievable.

1049
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:50.920
Right, it doesn't make sense, like why why her? What

1050
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:51.679
did she do?

1051
00:46:52.599 --> 00:46:55.159
Or you know, did she smile too much at you

1052
00:46:55.199 --> 00:46:57.760
and wave? Because I'm sure she was nice if if you,

1053
00:46:58.079 --> 00:46:59.119
if she's seen you?

1054
00:46:59.159 --> 00:47:00.679
Do you think that he not on the door and

1055
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:01.480
I seized the phone?

1056
00:47:01.519 --> 00:47:03.280
Oh yeah probably Yeah.

1057
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.159
Wasn't there something about her car being parked not in

1058
00:47:07.199 --> 00:47:08.039
her normal spot?

1059
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:09.159
I don't.

1060
00:47:09.559 --> 00:47:11.519
I'd read something about she normally parked to the side

1061
00:47:11.559 --> 00:47:13.559
so Darren could park next to her, but her car

1062
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:14.400
was in the middle.

1063
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:16.840
Probably because she she was going to leave again, so

1064
00:47:16.960 --> 00:47:19.880
she didn't have to park in her normal spot.

1065
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:21.880
Right because she was going to go for her interview?

1066
00:47:21.960 --> 00:47:22.159
Yeah?

1067
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:28.519
Correct, Yeah, so I got you. But Elisu also gave

1068
00:47:28.599 --> 00:47:33.079
her something right, acknowledged her what happened there they it's

1069
00:47:33.119 --> 00:47:35.119
a memorial tree plaque with her name on it.

1070
00:47:35.280 --> 00:47:35.800
Where is it?

1071
00:47:36.719 --> 00:47:41.199
I read the directions that her old coach, her whole

1072
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.320
high school coach told me about it wow, and she

1073
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.760
would actually go visit the little plaque and clean up,

1074
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:49.079
make sure weeds aren't around, and she'd send me pictures.

1075
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:51.119
And I never come this way. And one time we

1076
00:47:51.239 --> 00:47:54.840
was touring colleges for Kaitlin and I called, like, I

1077
00:47:54.880 --> 00:47:56.480
text her. I was like, where's this plaque? I need

1078
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.360
to see it since I'm here, And sure enough, she's like,

1079
00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:03.000
go here is by this building, It's this tree, by

1080
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:03.719
this party lot.

1081
00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:05.440
I'm going to find it, just so you know, because

1082
00:48:05.480 --> 00:48:07.079
I want to go find it. I wanted a last

1083
00:48:07.119 --> 00:48:07.800
football game.

1084
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:10.440
Actually I went to go try to find it, but

1085
00:48:10.480 --> 00:48:12.440
I didn't have much to go off of, so and

1086
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:14.079
then we ended up having to go up into the game.

1087
00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:16.039
But I'm gonna go find it because I want to

1088
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.119
see it. And I think it'd be neat too that

1089
00:48:18.159 --> 00:48:19.559
people who are listening to this that might be on

1090
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:21.960
campus or might go to school, they could go see that.

1091
00:48:22.119 --> 00:48:22.320
You know.

1092
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:23.639
That was that was for her.

1093
00:48:23.679 --> 00:48:25.800
So there was no dedication ceremony though, or anything like

1094
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:27.079
that that you went to.

1095
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:29.400
No, not that I went to. I think my mom

1096
00:48:29.440 --> 00:48:32.760
and did they did? I recall them doing something at

1097
00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:35.360
LSU after she passed that that was probably it.

1098
00:48:35.559 --> 00:48:38.920
Yeah, that was nice though, to be recognized that, you know,

1099
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.559
for her contributions and that she was working towards uh

1100
00:48:42.559 --> 00:48:44.559
something great. You know that I was taken from her.

1101
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:49.559
So uh no apology from Derek Tudley. No, because he

1102
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:51.400
didn't do it right. He says, yeah, I'm doing it

1103
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:53.719
And then did did anything happen?

1104
00:48:53.800 --> 00:48:53.920
Though?

1105
00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:57.000
Did people? Uh? You know, sometimes when cases go big,

1106
00:48:57.280 --> 00:49:01.519
people might call or or try to weasel their way

1107
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:04.559
into cases or call and say they know something they

1108
00:49:04.559 --> 00:49:04.840
don't know?

1109
00:49:04.880 --> 00:49:06.360
Did anyone do that to your family?

1110
00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:07.719
And no?

1111
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.639
No, most most of the time it was just focused

1112
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.239
on Darren and that big of an as he wants.

1113
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:16.480
What a weird place though to be And someone was

1114
00:49:16.519 --> 00:49:19.960
convicted for her murder and you still have these hanging

1115
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:24.599
feelings about yeah, the person that she was married to.

1116
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:27.199
So and obviously don't y'all don't talk today.

1117
00:49:27.039 --> 00:49:30.960
Right, I haven't. We haven't spoken probably twenty years, gotcha?

1118
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:31.400
I lie?

1119
00:49:31.440 --> 00:49:32.199
I mean every night.

1120
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.599
I called one time for her car. This was like

1121
00:49:35.679 --> 00:49:38.320
ten years after the fact, and I knew that it

1122
00:49:38.360 --> 00:49:40.239
wasn't running. I knew the motor was blown in it

1123
00:49:40.400 --> 00:49:42.880
or whatever, and I asked him if I can buy it,

1124
00:49:43.159 --> 00:49:45.960
and it's like no, not because it was Sissy's car,

1125
00:49:46.039 --> 00:49:49.119
But no, every man needs a muscle car and I'm

1126
00:49:49.159 --> 00:49:50.079
a fix it.

1127
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:52.400
Oh okay, and.

1128
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:55.639
Say nothing that was hung up the phone Like that's

1129
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:57.679
the type of stuff that makes you wonder.

1130
00:49:58.280 --> 00:50:01.440
Yeah, did did you get anything of your sisters?

1131
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:05.760
Actually, the day before she died, she was at the

1132
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:10.599
house and visiting that weekend, and she had a jacket

1133
00:50:10.599 --> 00:50:13.599
that she had gotten for Christmas that she left. So

1134
00:50:13.760 --> 00:50:17.119
I snatched it and I had told her about it

1135
00:50:17.159 --> 00:50:18.760
and stuff, and she's like, well, you can wear it

1136
00:50:18.840 --> 00:50:21.280
till like till the next time she comes in or whatever.

1137
00:50:22.280 --> 00:50:25.000
But you know, unfortunately she didn't, so you got to

1138
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:26.519
wear her. So I have that, and then I have

1139
00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:27.159
a necklace.

1140
00:50:27.880 --> 00:50:30.760
And she gave you that pickle card. Yeah. Oh wait,

1141
00:50:30.800 --> 00:50:32.440
I know, I'm know, I'm completely out of order right now,

1142
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:34.280
but she've got to I didn't put this in the episode,

1143
00:50:34.280 --> 00:50:36.280
but I want you to tell this story about when

1144
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:38.639
y'all were fighting that time and she jumped on top

1145
00:50:38.679 --> 00:50:38.840
of you.

1146
00:50:39.039 --> 00:50:41.920
Oh my god, please tell that story. Oh look, okay,

1147
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:45.280
I knew she was big. She's not like that big,

1148
00:50:45.320 --> 00:50:48.119
but she was solid. Oh yeah, And I was little

1149
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:51.480
and we was fighting and stuff, and I probably jumped

1150
00:50:51.519 --> 00:50:54.360
on her like a spider monkey while she sat me

1151
00:50:54.440 --> 00:50:56.480
on the ground, pinned me down with my hands down

1152
00:50:56.519 --> 00:50:59.320
and was like hollering right in my face and I'm like,

1153
00:50:59.440 --> 00:51:03.199
oh my god, your breath stiks. And she was like

1154
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:06.400
just hot breath and me like right.

1155
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:09.760
On my nose that you know, I love it. And

1156
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:11.920
I was just like get off me. And she was

1157
00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:12.920
just laughing.

1158
00:51:12.679 --> 00:51:13.840
And thought it was great.

1159
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.159
Just breathing in your face, like some good sister.

1160
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:17.880
Stuff out there. That's the type of stuff she would do.

1161
00:51:18.079 --> 00:51:21.360
And because of those wonderful things and the great things

1162
00:51:21.400 --> 00:51:23.719
we remember about your sister, when you had your daughter,

1163
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:24.639
what did you do?

1164
00:51:25.719 --> 00:51:28.079
I gave her her middle name, so.

1165
00:51:28.880 --> 00:51:31.079
She carries your sister's name does with you. And I

1166
00:51:31.119 --> 00:51:33.920
think that's what a great tribute, Seriously, what a wonderful

1167
00:51:34.440 --> 00:51:35.519
uh thing to do.

1168
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:40.599
I was actually I had almost named her Amandolin, like

1169
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.400
Amanda with Jerlyn at the end, Amandolin Danielle. But I

1170
00:51:46.480 --> 00:51:48.599
was like, oh, she's gonna have a hard time spelling

1171
00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:49.519
that kindergarten and.

1172
00:51:49.480 --> 00:51:51.440
She's not gonna get a keychain at the gas station.

1173
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:55.719
Yeah, she still don't get a keychain because I spelled

1174
00:51:55.719 --> 00:51:56.280
her first name.

1175
00:51:56.280 --> 00:51:58.239
We're too Why you did that to that baby, all

1176
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:00.760
of my kids? Oh that's all right, that's all right,

1177
00:52:00.800 --> 00:52:03.159
we'll allow it, no problem. Well, listen, is the anything

1178
00:52:03.199 --> 00:52:05.840
else you wanted to add that? Maybe I didn't. I

1179
00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:07.400
didn't say that you would want people to know about

1180
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:11.639
your sister or No.

1181
00:52:11.800 --> 00:52:14.639
She was just great, she really was. She was the

1182
00:52:14.719 --> 00:52:18.599
child everybody wanted. Oh and also she wants some little

1183
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:21.519
beauty pageants when she was little, she did.

1184
00:52:22.199 --> 00:52:24.920
She was a beauty pageant winner when she was like

1185
00:52:24.920 --> 00:52:26.719
a baby. It doesn't matter. She still was a beauty

1186
00:52:26.719 --> 00:52:28.639
pageant winner. We're not going to take that from her.

1187
00:52:28.880 --> 00:52:29.719
She gets to keep that.

1188
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:34.400
I love it. She was just what everybody should be.

1189
00:52:34.599 --> 00:52:37.199
She followed the rules, and that's how it always goes.

1190
00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.639
It's the good ones, right, it's the good one. What

1191
00:52:39.679 --> 00:52:41.920
Billy Joel said, it only the good die young, you.

1192
00:52:41.840 --> 00:52:46.039
Know, And it makes you have survivor girl a lot.

1193
00:52:46.360 --> 00:52:49.280
And you know I've had it. I've had it for years. Really,

1194
00:52:49.840 --> 00:52:51.880
how does that? How does that affect you?

1195
00:52:52.880 --> 00:52:54.440
In what ways? Give me an example of.

1196
00:52:56.039 --> 00:53:00.480
What what you will it just you try to be

1197
00:53:00.599 --> 00:53:05.199
more like her a little bit, but you can't. Yeah,

1198
00:53:05.440 --> 00:53:08.159
Like at first, right when it all happened, my hair

1199
00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:08.440
was long.

1200
00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:11.159
My hair was probably down in here, and I chopped

1201
00:53:11.159 --> 00:53:13.599
it off just like her hair was good. You know.

1202
00:53:13.840 --> 00:53:15.280
That was one of the things that I did to

1203
00:53:15.280 --> 00:53:18.159
try to cope with everything, and I died it red

1204
00:53:18.679 --> 00:53:21.199
because that's what hers was. It was like an auburn

1205
00:53:21.320 --> 00:53:26.280
type stuff. But it just messes. But she's like you, you.

1206
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.320
Don't want to. You just mess up a whole lot

1207
00:53:29.519 --> 00:53:33.119
just because it's not fair. You're crappy. You're still here.

1208
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:38.000
She was perfect. She's gone, and it's just messes with

1209
00:53:38.039 --> 00:53:38.440
your brain.

1210
00:53:38.559 --> 00:53:41.199
Like yeah, you think about all the things you screw up,

1211
00:53:41.239 --> 00:53:43.239
and you're like, she wouldn't have done that, right, yeah,

1212
00:53:43.360 --> 00:53:44.800
Or she would have done this, she would have done

1213
00:53:44.800 --> 00:53:45.159
this the right.

1214
00:53:45.280 --> 00:53:45.960
I know what you mean.

1215
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.480
YEA, Obviously I don't feel that, but the way you do.

1216
00:53:48.519 --> 00:53:50.360
And I'm not taking that, but I understand what you mean. Like,

1217
00:53:51.039 --> 00:53:51.960
dang man, you know.

1218
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:56.679
Yeah, I still can't do right yeah, yeah yeah.

1219
00:53:56.960 --> 00:54:00.239
And the bond between sisters too is very uh, it's

1220
00:54:00.280 --> 00:54:02.480
a very important thing I think in our life because

1221
00:54:02.480 --> 00:54:04.239
you know, we're enemies when we're little and we're fighting

1222
00:54:04.280 --> 00:54:06.599
and blowing breath and eathing. Then you grow up and

1223
00:54:06.639 --> 00:54:09.559
you should have this wonderful relationship, and you were robbed

1224
00:54:09.599 --> 00:54:09.880
of that.

1225
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.639
Your whole family was robbed.

1226
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:14.280
Of I was just getting to the age where I

1227
00:54:14.440 --> 00:54:16.119
was cool to hang out with.

1228
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:19.159
You know, Yeah, she knew you were hiding cigarette.

1229
00:54:19.320 --> 00:54:21.039
Yeah, oh yeah, that was cool.

1230
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:23.719
She knew you hid cigare or how did that go?

1231
00:54:23.840 --> 00:54:24.280
What was it?

1232
00:54:24.400 --> 00:54:24.639
Yeah?

1233
00:54:24.679 --> 00:54:27.039
I used to hide my cigarettes in my socks when

1234
00:54:27.079 --> 00:54:29.880
I was young. I would babysit for cigarettes.

1235
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:31.039
Oh my god.

1236
00:54:31.639 --> 00:54:32.159
So like I.

1237
00:54:32.239 --> 00:54:35.920
Always had cigarettes. Yeah, and she, you know, wasn't allowed

1238
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:37.159
to smoke, but we would go.

1239
00:54:37.480 --> 00:54:39.559
We would be like, let's go to the store. And

1240
00:54:40.119 --> 00:54:43.039
so everybody knew except for my parents. Of course, where

1241
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:45.119
I hid my cigarette. I won't tell him. And then

1242
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:48.559
Darren was like, hold up, where's some cigarettes at? And

1243
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:50.360
I lifted up my pants leg I was like, I

1244
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:53.639
don't have any sea and he's like, okay, So he

1245
00:54:54.159 --> 00:54:57.000
was allowed to leave since a quote didn't have cigarettes,

1246
00:54:57.920 --> 00:54:59.519
and it was going down the road, It's like, I

1247
00:54:59.559 --> 00:55:01.760
know you got worthy it. And I lifted up my

1248
00:55:01.800 --> 00:55:04.760
shirt and it was in my pants. It's just like

1249
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:06.800
I knew you had them give me one.

1250
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:12.679
Indeed, right, she knew, she knew. Well, I hope that

1251
00:55:12.880 --> 00:55:15.119
just by us getting to do this, you know that

1252
00:55:15.239 --> 00:55:19.239
somebody walking around remembers your sister and is invested in

1253
00:55:19.320 --> 00:55:22.760
who she was, and that she lives on right through

1254
00:55:22.800 --> 00:55:26.000
other people, and that I know you haven't heard the

1255
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.280
episode yet that I did on your sister, but I

1256
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:28.800
hope that it.

1257
00:55:29.639 --> 00:55:31.480
I hope it did her justice, and I hope.

1258
00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:36.199
That you appreciate it for what it is, and I'm

1259
00:55:36.239 --> 00:55:39.480
sure I will. Awesome. Well, thank you so much for

1260
00:55:39.559 --> 00:55:43.280
coming and sharing about your sister. And until next time, guys,

1261
00:55:43.519 --> 00:55:45.440
you're gonna love the next episode. I hope you really

1262
00:55:45.519 --> 00:55:48.000
enjoyed this one. Wave with the camera. Tell everybody bye,

1263
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:50.880
Thank you so much, thank you all right, bye bye