July 14, 2026

Left for Dead: The Killing of Lauren DeWise

Left for Dead: The Killing of Lauren DeWise
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Season 11

On a cold January night in 2018, Lauren DeWise — was brutally gunned down in her own bed. Her roommate, Ashley Van Hemert, was shot multiple times and left for dead, but miraculously survived to tell a harrowing tale of terror and betrayal.
What seemed like a random intruder attack quickly unraveled into something far more sinister: a story of a crumbling marriage, a desperate escape from abuse, and a vengeful husband who would stop at nothing to destroy the woman who left him.

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, kJ

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you're back with the note other episode of Unspeakable. What's

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going on with you? I have got a pretty solid

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episode for you today. I'm going to start with some

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shout outs, and you're gonna get to know a little

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bit more about me than you might know because I

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collect t tiny little miniature things. Okay, it's an obsession.

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I can't help it. I have a crime a printer

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tray full of little miniature things I collect, like Civil

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War era and stuff like that. But either way, I

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have this obsession with Whatnot. I don't know if you're

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on it or not, but Whatnot Download the app. It's

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so much fun and you're gonna become addicted in a heartbeat. Well,

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I want to give a shout out to my to

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my many plugs, okay, my mini dealers, because I just

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have so much funey each week talking to them. Their

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names are Angie and Ted. They're a married couple and

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if you're on Whatnot, you want to look at the

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miniature things. It's Angie's underscore thrifty, underscore fines. But I

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just really like these two people. And we were talking

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and I told them I did a podcast and I said,

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you know what, I'll give you all a shout out

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on there to prove that I'm out lying to you.

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So for Angie and Ted, this one is for you,

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my friends. Ted has the most pleasant laugh. Angie is

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just the biggest sweetheart, and she loves true crime. They've

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started listening to so that's just pretty cool. So if

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you want a new addiction like me and we're like

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minded people, then go check them out on Whatnot. And

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my friends, I'm waving to y'all online right now, and

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I love y'all so much and thank you for all

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my goodies. I'm having a blast. I do have an

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announcement for you also, I have renewed this year with

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Fall Fest in downtown Denham Springs. So if you want

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to come see me there, mark your calendars. It'll be Saturday,

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October the third, and I'd love to see you there.

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I'm gonna have merch like I always do. We can

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take pictures, we can do all the fun things, and

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I'd love to see you there. So Saturday, October the third,

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I will be set up with my booth and I'll

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have T shirts and all that all that stuff. Also,

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you want to have a little bit more to listen

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to during the week, you need to go add my

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other show. It's crime Wire Weekly. It's it's a podcast

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and my producer Jimithy and I we work together on

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that one. We cover weekly crime headliners, the big stories

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that are going around. We have a great time talking

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through those cases and you know, it's a little fun

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and a lot of news. So go add that right now.

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It's on every listening platform, crime Wire Weekly. And to

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make sure that you have the right one. It looks

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like a guy with like a hoodie and he's typing

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on a keyboard. It's pretty dark, Okay, so that's what

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you're looking for. Okay, Then I realized I'm not perfect.

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I should have been. I should have told y'all I

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got tested and it came back negative for perfect. And

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I'm so sad to tell you all that. But I've

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made a big blunder last week because I never told

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y'all on the Whitney Temple case, doctor Whitney Temple, what

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happened to her? And someone started messaging me on a

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different platform like, well, hey, what happened to her and

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said I was thinking, well, I'm gonna put it on

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Patreon for them, which I have already if you haven't

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checked it out, but I'll give you an update here

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too so you can know. So you know, Josh got

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arrested and he went to prison, which is wonderful. Unfortunately, though,

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doctor Whitney only lived another month before she unfortunately passed

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away as a result of her cancer, and so you know,

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it is a sad, sad ending. I can say one

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thing though, is that at least the last couple of weeks,

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we're spent surrounded by people who loved her and cared

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for her and valued her the way that she should

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have been. So that is what happened. If you are curious,

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and I think I got so wrapped up in the

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fact that asshole was sent to jail that I didn't

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give that update at the end. So my apologies, but

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now you know. And now we're going to jump into

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today's episode. Now, this will be a part one of

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two episodes, my friends. But I want to let you

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know something before you start cutting it off right now,

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is that if you're someone who doesn't like to wait

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and you like to listen to them all at once,

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I'm going to leave you at the end of this

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episode at a solid breaking point where you don't need

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to wait to listen. You can listen into this one

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and it won't it'll be a good stopping point where

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we can pick right back up next week. So that said,

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are you ready to travel with me in this episode?

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Because we have a woman who loved change, she liked adventure,

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but she was getting held back by one thing and

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it was that she had a teaching job that really

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limited how far she could go. She had to be

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in the classroom, she couldn't take long adventurous trips and

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all of that because we have school Monday through Friday.

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Right Well, Lauren Boseman is what her name is, and

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she was from originally from Lakeland, Florida, and she did

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exactly what was expected of a girl growing up into adulthood.

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She had graduated from high school in the year two

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thousand and then she enrolled in college. Eventually, she graduated

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from the University of West Florida in two thousand and

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five and it was right after graduation that she would

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settle in as a middle school teacher at Bailey Middle School,

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which is in Pencil Colda, Florida, and she loved teaching

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the kiddos. She was known as a strict teacher in

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the classroom, but she was still a loved teacher. And

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strict doesn't always mean bad. I hate that people put

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those two things together. It means there's expectations and the

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kids know to behave in that classroom because they know

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who they can try and who they can't. And she

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set that standard that when you're in here, we're going

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to learn and then we can have fun when we're

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done well. Lauren's teaching life was her world for several years,

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but she just couldn't help but yearn for more. And

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I totally get this right. You know what is out

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there in the world I want to see and I

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want to do and I want to play, but the

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classroom really limited that. And let's be honest, if you

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have ever spent time in the teaching world, you know

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that you can get burned out very very quickly. There's

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constant changes in the rules and the requirements. The expectations

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continue to go up, and the pay continues to stay

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down low. And with limited time to do anything. I mean,

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you can't even get a bathroom break. I get that

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you wanted to go do something new, try something else.

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But there was something that was a bit of a

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highlight while she was working at the school day to day,

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and that's that Lauren and a fellow teacher had something

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going on. Yes, Lauren and fellow teacher, mister Dewiz. They

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liked each other, so after working together for a few years,

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that relationship would become official and eventually it would result

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in marriage. And that's when Lauren decided, look, we need

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something else. We need to go chase adventure. Let's go live,

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you know, let's go try something new. And she wanted

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this so much that she and her new husband, Paul,

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they bought an RV and traveled around the Southwest and

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the West before deciding on Montana as their permanent new

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home life. So the marriage, as you probably have picked

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up one, was relatively new. But even though it was

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a new marriage, it came with instant children because Lauren

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would become the proud bonus mom to Paul's children from

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a previous marriage. So their names were Natalie and Joseph,

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and they were welcomed with open arms by Lauren. Together

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they made an instant, beautiful family. And then soon after this,

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a bouncing baby's sister would be added to the mix

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and the family would affectionately nickname that child Baby. So

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Baby obviously was the cutest thing they had all ever

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seen and was the center of attention because there was

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a pretty big age gap between Baby and the first

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two children. They were young teenagers and Baby was new,

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so we all know that no one puts baby in

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a corner, right, and so she pretty much was the

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center of attention in the home. Now, the young teen children,

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they did have a bio mom, of course, but they

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really leaned into Lauren as their mother. She was with

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them daily, and they had Lauren and Paul had custody

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of the children, so Lauren would be their main go

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to as their maternal guide in life day in and

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day out. Now, the home life in Montana was different

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from Florida foresher. Everything from population to the geography. You know,

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this was a big different, different way of living. Florida

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is densely populated, it's tropical, we all know, it's that

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coastal state. It's got beaches and one of my personal

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favorites zero income tax. And Montana is just vastly different.

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It's sparsely populated in comparison mountainous state. It's known for

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its rugged landscapes and there's a lot of outdoor recreation there.

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But this change, it was welcomed by the Dewai's family.

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So with the change of location also came changes in professions.

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So Paul took a job in construction different he didn't

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go back to teaching. He decided to take these construction

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type jobs, while Lauren took on an administrative position at

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the local hospital. But eventually a very prime missing job

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with room for promotion would present itself. But it was

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not in the hospital. It was actually with a bank.

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So Lauren had worked as a teller for about a

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year before this, but she was offered a managerial position

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that she simply could not pass up, so she jumped

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right on it, and this job change proved to be

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great for Lauren. She loved her co workers. They were

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amazing as kind of a cheesy word these days everyone

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uses it for everything, but they legitimately were just amazing.

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She fit in well. They welcomed her with open arms.

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And we all know this. There is nothing better than

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great co workers, because when the shit hits the fan,

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at least you've got your comrades there, you know, in

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the bunker with you, and they can help you laugh

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it off and do whatever it is to get through

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the day. So while Lauren's career was looking up, Paul's

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wasn't quite as successful, and for this reason, they decided

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that it was a good fit for their family that

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Paul would become basically a stay home dad with their

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youngest daughter, Baby, and he would be able to do

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all the things that the kids needed and not be

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tied down to a construction site. And Paul thrived as

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this day to day dad all day. He enjoyed being

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with the kids. He loved being with baby all day.

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He would always document everything with his iPhone, you know,

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and Lauren could come home and see what they did

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for the day, and filming the family fun even extended

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to like seemingly the nothingness of the day. I mean,

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they would go on walks, or they'd be going down

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a path or playing in the yard. Either way, he

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really documented that. I think I'm guilty of that too.

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I document everything by my phone because it's like I

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don't want to miss miss a thing. So Paul's voice

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would be on those recordings and he's, you know, dictating

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what was going on. Look at baby, look at this leaf.

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You know, look how pretty it is, and just a

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little simple things. But as the months would pass, Lauren's

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behavior at home seemed to shift a bit. Where she

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used to come straight home after work, she would now

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opt to go do things after hours with her co workers,

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like go have a drink or you know, go hang

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out somewhere. Usually I would say a drink is where

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they would they would go, you know, do things. But

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on different occasions too, she would go where they were

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having like work get togethers or I don't want to

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say it's like a party because that's not what I mean,

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but it's like work events. But kids, obviously we're not

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we're not invited to these events. So Paul would stay

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home with the kids while Lauren would go to these,

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uh these get togethers with with her work family, and

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over time this would begin to somewhat irritate Paul. You know,

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why am I not invited? Why do you always get

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to go have the fun and I always have to

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stay home with the kids. And this is not funny,

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but it's kind of a role reversal in what we're

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used to in our in our society today. But you know,

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you can't blame him. You're going and doing all this

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stuff and I'm here, you know, with the kids. So

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Paul even got to the point where he was like,

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you know, are you cheating on me? Is that why

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you're not wanting to come home? And she'd be like,

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you are ridiculous. No, she would scoff at this, and

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you know, he's like, all right, but he still wondered

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in the back of his mind, why do you always

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want to be with them and not home with us?

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It just seems like you're doing it more and more.

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So as the arguments escalated, they would become more frequent,

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and this was getting closer and closer. There was a

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lot of arguing that was starting and both sides in

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this marriage entered into what I would describe as a

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state of exhaustion. You know, the party was over, the

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fun had left the building, and both of them were

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just tired of arguing. She was constantly having to defend

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herself against why she was having so much fun with

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her coworkers, and being she was constantly being accused of,

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you must be cheating. And Paul's frustrated with the staying

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at home and all of that, and so the tension

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just would grow to a point that Lauren made the

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decision that she was going to move out of the home.

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So it was November of twenty seventeen when Lauren decided

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to make that move. She didn't, however, move out and

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be by herself. But it is not what you're thinking either,

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I know we all just jumped to she moved in

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with another man. Stah, No, she didn't. Okay, it's not

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what you're thinking. She did not move in with another

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man or anything close to that. She was actually invited

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to move in with her friend Audrea, whose nickname was Audi.

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So if I say Audrea or Audie, it's the same person.

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And this was because Audie was single and she could

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use some help with the bills at her house, so

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she did already have one roommate, but she had room

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for one more and Lauren was looking so it seemed

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like it was a pretty good fit for Lauren. Now,

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how did Lauren and Audie meet each other? Well, they

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actually had met through different separate occasions. One was more

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of like through business connections, but another was that they

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met at the local gym and they grew this friendship

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pretty fast. Audie worked as a personal trainer, and the

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two women just hit it off and they became very

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quick friends. Audie's other roommate, her name was Ashley. Ashley

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really liked Lauren too, so great fit for the three women.

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Ashley was in nursing school and Lauren obviously you already

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know about her. So all of these women were roughly

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about the same age, which was also a good thing

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because they meshed on a social and emotional level. Well,

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so you don't have some young person wanting to party

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all day long and then two other people that are

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going to work every day. It just was really a

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good fit. So once Lauren actually moved out of the

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family home, Paul seemed to realize pretty quickly that he

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had messed up. Okay, that he had been overbearing in

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his attempts to what he thought was trying to save

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his marriage by saying, you know, you need to spend

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more time with us. We want you around. And the

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more he tried, though it had pushed Lauren away, the

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harder he pushed, the further she seemed to go in

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the other direction. So Paul was realizing this and he

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was heartbroken. He was sad, and at this point realized

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she wasn't kidding that she he was doing too much,

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and so he was willing to do anything that he

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could to save his marriage. Well. Around nine am on

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January seventh of twenty eighteen, Audrea was arriving home from

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having spent the night at a friend's house. So she

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got to the house, she walks up, and she goes

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in into the home, and as she makes it into

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the home, she starts to walk through the front door,

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which led to like this, you know, living room area,

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and then it went straight back into like a kitchen area,

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and there was a sliding glass door on the back wall.

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So she walks through the house and when she gets

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to where that double sliding glass door was, she realized

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that the casing on the door was broken off. It

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was laying inside of the home on the ground. So

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she was looking at it, going, what in the hell

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why is the casing of the door on the ground? Now?

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In her mind, it seemed like that door had it

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had trouble opening before in the past, from what I understand,

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So she thought maybe one of the roommates had jerked

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the door to try to slide it open and it

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popped off the frame. But she approached it and as

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she got closer, she looked out the back door and

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she sees footprints in the snow. Now' I don't. I

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didn't grow up near snow. I don't. I've never been

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around snow any extent of hereeriod of time. But apparently

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if there's still big steps in the snow that in

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the morning time, then they must not have been there

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very long if it snowed through the night. Okay, So

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that really caught her off guard. So she's like, what

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the hell is going on here? It was very quiet

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in the house, but that wasn't odd because it was

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a Sunday morning and the women would sleep in on

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Sunday mornings. So whenever she made it back through the

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living room. She was going up to the stairwell because

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this was a two story house. She started climbing up

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the stairs to where the three bedrooms were, but as

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she approached the landing, she realized at the top that

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the bedroom doors of all of the respective bedrooms were open.

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And that was weird because Audie specifically had shut her

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bedroom door when she left out the prior night, and

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the women respected each other's you know, boundaries in their bedrooms.

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They didn't go in each other's rooms like that. And

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then the fact that the other two bedroom doors were

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open just really struck a fear in her. What Audie,

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as she took a few more steps forward, would lay

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her eyes on without warning, would send her running for

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her life. Because they're on the floor, she found roommate Ashley,

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lying on her back, yelling out with blood smeared all

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over the carpet, and this blood was even pooling underneath Ashley.

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So she looks at this completely and totally on a

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doesn't even know what to do. What do you do

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when you walk in and you find your roommate. She

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was silent the whole time until she made it to

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the doorway, and now she starts screaming out. When I

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say blood all over the floor, please know that that

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is not dramatics. There is blood all over this woman,

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all over the floor, and she's now starting to just

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yell for help out of nowhere. So Audie's natural reaction

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as she looks at this and is trying to process

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it in that moment, was to turn and look in

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Lauren's room. And she takes a few steps and she

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looks in Lauren's room, where she too was bloodied all

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about the head and the face, but she was not

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making any noise. She was very still. So she turns

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back and she looks at Ashley, who's now screaming even more.

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Help me, help me, help me. And Audie's mind just

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shifted into straight survival mode because her brain could not

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process what was happening. She had never seen something like

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this before, especially in real life, and she's like, who

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is in the house? Oh my god, what has happened?

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What is going on here? There's got to be someone

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in the house killing us or trying to at least

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I've got to go get help. So she just turns

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and goes tearing back down the stairs, right back out

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the front door, and straight over to the next door

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neighbor's house, with Ashley screaming help me, help me as

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she tears out of the house. So Audie starts pounding

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on the door, and when the neighbor answered, she tried

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desperately to make to make sense of what was going on,

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but the words would just not come out of her mouth.

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She couldn't say what she was trying to say, but

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what she saw and then the screams that she heard

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from Ashley just kept replaying over and over again in

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her head, and she just could not make the words

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form to describe all of that as quickly as she

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wanted to. It was horrific, it was shocking, and it

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was damn near traumatizing. In that moment, what she could

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manage to say to the neighbor was that I think

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my roommates were shot. I think they are dying. And

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so her neighbor ran grabbed the phone, dialed nine one

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one and relayed this very minimal information but desperate need

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for help to the dispatcher, who then sent it out

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over the airwaves. You know, units, I need you to

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be en route to an active shooting, assailant unknown, possible

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double homicide. So within minutes. The first officer was on

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scene and he was trying to gather as much information

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from the dispatcher as possible, but as you realize in

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how this was going, that information remained painfully limited as

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to what was known. Okay, too many unknowns in the situation.

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So tactically this would bring about a major issue. You

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cannot just run balls to the wall inside of a

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house where I know a woman was screaming for help,

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but clearly they are very severely injured, and your instinct

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is to run in to go save somebody. But you know,

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if you have an unknown assailant and it's unknown, if

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that person is still in the house, and you're assuming

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that they are a shooter, you can't save lives if

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you yourself become a victim. So what the officer did

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was he maintained his position of generalized safety out front

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of the house and kept covered, you know, with his

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weapon while he waited for backup to get there so

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that they could make entry in a more safe manner.

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So this home was a nice middle class home in

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a nice middle class neighborhood. It was definitely not a

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place where this sort of active crime scene would ever

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be expected. And if it weren't known in the moment

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that something tragic had happened inside, it would have seemed

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like a very perfect day. There was shiny snow all

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over the ground. It was reflected by the sun. It

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was a picture perfect bluebird sky, very different from what

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was being told was going on inside of the house.

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So looking over the home from the outside and establishing

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its perimeter, the officer assessed it and saw that this

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was a two story home, all right. It was this

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deep maroon in color. It had a cute little front

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porch surrounded by a wooden banister. It was very neat

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and orderly. Nothing from the front looked out of the

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ordinary or obviously disturbed. There was a wooden fence that

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was surrounding the entire backyard, so from the road you

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would not have been able to see into the backyard. Again,

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that poses another issue, because you don't know if you

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have a suspect or an assailant in the back hiding

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out ready to ambush you. There was a gate also

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on the side of the house that led to the backyard.

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So about that point a second officer arrived and exited

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his unit promptly. He had his shotgun in his hand,

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and you even hear him racket, you know, putting one

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in the chamber as he made his way up to

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the first officer. What do we got? It was that quick?

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What do we got? So Officer one explained very quickly

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what was going on. They made a quick tactical decision

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as to how they were going to enter through the

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front door, and who or what awaited them was now unknown.

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So both officers readied themselves, and the first officer was

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the one that turned the knob of the front door

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and he threw the door open, while the second one

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covered him with the shotgun. All right, so the door

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flies open. Officer one now has this pistol in his hand,

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Officer two has the shotgun, and they're both kind of

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peering in the front door. So they both shouted and

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announced their police presence as their scan in the room

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and their immediate view, which I do want you to

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understand what they see is to the right is they

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see the stairwell that leads up and then to the

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left they are seeing that living room which leads straight

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to the back to the kitchen area, which was the

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same path that Audi had taken when she first entered

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the home. So again they order anyone inside show themselves

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come out, but there is no response. So Officer one

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does have his pistol still drawn, and so he swiftly

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cleared the bottom level of the home. He goes in

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to the left and he's clearing that living room and

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that kitchen area. Officer two remained steadied right where he

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was in the doorway, but he had his shotgun aimed

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up that stairwell. He did not move in case a

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suspect tried to run or start shooting from the upstairs.

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So the view though inside of the home looks very

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much like any house would after the week of Christmas.

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The Christmas tree was still up. There were new items

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still kind of like about in the home, like they

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recently opened, you know, gifts and the joy of Christmas

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and all that was still kind kind of there. So

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bottom floor gets cleared by Officer one. He announces it

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as he meets back up with Officer two. He says clear,

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00:26:26.160 --> 00:26:32.880
and then they both start making their way up that stairwell.

474
00:26:33.240 --> 00:26:39.440
Now the danger here is insurmountable. Okay, both officers are

475
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:43.240
slowly creeping up the stairs, their eyes wide open, their

476
00:26:43.279 --> 00:26:46.039
guns are drawn. Whoever's in the home knows they're there

477
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:50.119
because they've announced it. But they're cautiously going up these stairs,

478
00:26:50.160 --> 00:26:53.440
preparing for an assailant to pop out of the proverbial

479
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:56.359
what we would call fatal funnel, because there's only one

480
00:26:56.400 --> 00:26:59.880
way up, and it's this narrow corridor of the staircase,

481
00:27:00.119 --> 00:27:02.680
so there's nowhere to go if you start to get ambushed.

482
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:06.640
So they're creeping and they're scanning, creeping, getting up, and

483
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:10.559
as soon as they make their way to that landing

484
00:27:10.640 --> 00:27:13.480
up there, it's been silent the entire time. As soon

485
00:27:13.519 --> 00:27:17.440
as they step on that top landing, suddenly that silence

486
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:21.279
was disrupted by a woman's voice who starts yelling out

487
00:27:21.359 --> 00:27:25.160
for help, help me, help, I'm up here, Please help me,

488
00:27:25.559 --> 00:27:29.240
help me. But the question in that moment was is

489
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.880
this someone trying to draw them in the room to

490
00:27:32.480 --> 00:27:36.200
ambush them, or is this a genuine cry for help? Y'all?

491
00:27:36.240 --> 00:27:38.880
These are all unknowns in the split seconds, but the

492
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:43.960
officers were about to find out because, hearing their footsteps

493
00:27:44.000 --> 00:27:45.880
as they made it to the top of the landing,

494
00:27:46.279 --> 00:27:49.359
she started screaming in what I can only describe as

495
00:27:49.400 --> 00:27:53.440
the most pitiful thing you could hear. She starts screaming,

496
00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.319
please don't shoot me, Please don't shoot me, Please, please

497
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:01.119
don't shoot me. But her voice sounded slow, it was

498
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:04.200
it was like, please don't shoot me, and please don't

499
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:05.759
take that in a funny way. I want you to

500
00:28:05.920 --> 00:28:10.200
understand it. Please don't shoot me. It was very slurred, so,

501
00:28:10.799 --> 00:28:14.799
but it was very scared too. So Officer one still

502
00:28:14.839 --> 00:28:17.640
has his pistol drawn and he looks into that room

503
00:28:17.640 --> 00:28:20.279
where he finds this woman lying on the floor, and

504
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:24.680
she is right in the doorway, clearly in terrible condition.

505
00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.640
She was surrounded by blood, and it looked to him

506
00:28:28.680 --> 00:28:30.759
in that moment like she had been kind of moving

507
00:28:30.799 --> 00:28:34.519
about on the floor. In that blood. There were smears

508
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:39.880
and then pools of it and then smears. So in

509
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:43.279
that second he's right there. She can feel that he's

510
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:45.279
right there on her, and she cried out again, please

511
00:28:45.279 --> 00:28:48.720
don't shoot me, Please don't shoot me, and he promises her, look,

512
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.079
I'm not here to shoot you. I'm the police. You're okay.

513
00:28:51.160 --> 00:28:54.279
This is the police. And a quick scan of the

514
00:28:54.359 --> 00:28:58.079
room proved a rather strange sight. You know, all of

515
00:28:58.079 --> 00:29:02.240
that bright red blood was a star contrast against the

516
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:07.559
cream colored carpet. The room was rather tidy but lived in.

517
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:09.759
There was a few miscellaneous items on the floor like

518
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:12.119
you would see a purse and a box fan and

519
00:29:12.200 --> 00:29:15.440
just things when people are living. And then she kept screaming,

520
00:29:15.519 --> 00:29:19.359
come over here, come here, but he was right there.

521
00:29:19.880 --> 00:29:22.799
He was right there on top of her, basically like

522
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.359
standing next to her, and she says, come over here,

523
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:28.720
are you the police? He says, yes, Look I'm the police,

524
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:30.599
and he waves his hand right in front of her pace.

525
00:29:30.680 --> 00:29:33.599
He kneels down. Look it's me, I'm right here. Can

526
00:29:33.680 --> 00:29:36.880
you see me? Well, her head was turned towards him,

527
00:29:37.079 --> 00:29:41.039
her eyes were on him, and she kept looking at

528
00:29:41.119 --> 00:29:44.000
him in his direction. He was less than a foot

529
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.279
away from her, waving his hand over her face, and

530
00:29:46.319 --> 00:29:48.720
she said again, are you really the police? Are you

531
00:29:48.759 --> 00:29:51.880
the police? Please don't shoot me. She was looking right

532
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.039
at him, so he's like, what is the deal and

533
00:29:55.119 --> 00:29:57.000
he wayh says hey, and honey, can you see me?

534
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:01.400
And that's when she replied, no, I can't see anything.

535
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:05.799
Where are you? In that moment, it was very clear

536
00:30:06.359 --> 00:30:09.119
that this woman was dying. Her eyes were open, they

537
00:30:09.119 --> 00:30:11.799
were looking at him. She could not see a thing.

538
00:30:12.519 --> 00:30:16.519
Her slurred words, which made her sound intoxicated at first

539
00:30:16.559 --> 00:30:20.160
were more likely due to this massive blood loss or

540
00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:23.519
some sort of severe neurological event that had taken place,

541
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.759
and she continued to beg for help, but she couldn't

542
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:29.359
see a thing. It was black, y'all in her face.

543
00:30:29.440 --> 00:30:31.319
It was black. She could see nothing, and she was

544
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:34.400
at the mercy of this stranger that was claiming that

545
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.039
he was the police, and he says, I won't leave you.

546
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:39.599
Medical is on the way. I am right here. I

547
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:42.960
promise you I am the police. But she was confused

548
00:30:43.039 --> 00:30:46.000
by this, and she said, why I'm not hurt. Why

549
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:49.039
is medical here? I'm not hurt. So he says, well, honey,

550
00:30:49.039 --> 00:30:53.480
why are you bleeding everywhere? And she seemed shocked to

551
00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:57.240
hear that she was even bleeding. He says, yeah, you're hurt.

552
00:30:57.799 --> 00:31:00.720
She says, I'm not hurt. So the officer reaches down

553
00:31:00.759 --> 00:31:02.960
and he touches her hand and kind of squeeze, and

554
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:06.240
he says, honey, can you feel me touching you? And

555
00:31:06.279 --> 00:31:12.279
she said no. While this went somewhat against protocol, the

556
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.880
officers made the decision right then together that they were

557
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:17.759
not going to waste time and they were going to

558
00:31:17.839 --> 00:31:20.880
carry her down to the ambulance because in their gut.

559
00:31:21.240 --> 00:31:23.599
They knew that time was of the essence for this woman.

560
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:28.359
She was in very, very critical, in a critical position.

561
00:31:29.440 --> 00:31:31.839
But she was telling them as they're carrying her. One officer,

562
00:31:31.920 --> 00:31:36.000
you know, he puts his arms underneath her arms, the

563
00:31:36.000 --> 00:31:38.440
other one grabs her feet, and they start bringing her

564
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:40.359
down the stairs very carefully, and she keeps saying, I

565
00:31:40.359 --> 00:31:42.000
don't want to go to the hospital. I don't want

566
00:31:42.000 --> 00:31:44.680
to go to the hospital. But they remained very kind,

567
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:49.279
very calm, but very assuring in that honey, you're going

568
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:51.799
to the hospital. You have got to be seen by

569
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.279
a doctor. Well, the decision they made, good bad, are

570
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:57.119
indifferent worked because as they made it down to the

571
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.279
bottom of the stairs, it was that exact moment that

572
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:01.920
the ambulance came flying up and they were able to

573
00:32:01.960 --> 00:32:05.319
load her directly into that ambulance and she was on

574
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:08.759
her way to the hospital, no time wasted. And one

575
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:10.759
of the officers even made the decision that he was

576
00:32:10.799 --> 00:32:14.160
going to stay with her and ride in the ambulance

577
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.079
with her. Okay, seemed kind of strange to me, but

578
00:32:17.920 --> 00:32:22.480
his thinking was that if there was an assailant after her,

579
00:32:23.240 --> 00:32:26.039
they didn't want that assailant to maybe follow and try

580
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.559
to finish her off once she got to the hospital.

581
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:33.279
So Officer one rode with her to the hospital, leaving

582
00:32:33.279 --> 00:32:37.720
Officer to to stay behind, who then led the first

583
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:41.640
responders that showed up up the stairs to assess the

584
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:46.519
second victim that he had already looked at in all

585
00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.880
of that drama. I just explained to you he had

586
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:51.640
gone and looked into that second bedroom while the first

587
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:53.480
officer was talking to Ashley, so I want, I do

588
00:32:53.559 --> 00:32:57.480
want you to know that. So his belief as they're

589
00:32:57.480 --> 00:33:00.480
going up the stairs was that she was pro probably

590
00:33:01.079 --> 00:33:05.559
someone far beyond any type of life saving help. So

591
00:33:05.839 --> 00:33:08.440
the bedroom once they got up the stairs, was just

592
00:33:08.480 --> 00:33:11.200
across the hall from the woman that was screaming for

593
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:15.119
help and was still alive and on the way to

594
00:33:15.119 --> 00:33:19.200
the hospital. Again. This bedroom very neat and orderly. There

595
00:33:19.200 --> 00:33:23.119
were bright pink paintings and shells in the walls adorned

596
00:33:23.119 --> 00:33:27.359
with CUTESI decor. But in the bed lay an adult

597
00:33:27.440 --> 00:33:32.720
female with very very obvious trauma to her head. She

598
00:33:32.839 --> 00:33:36.839
also wasn't moving and had not moved the entire time

599
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:39.400
nor made a sound while everything else was going on.

600
00:33:40.200 --> 00:33:43.920
So they approached her and they attempted to check for

601
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.440
signs of life. And this officer too tells everybody be

602
00:33:47.559 --> 00:33:51.480
very careful, don't move anything. Let's just check her. So

603
00:33:51.519 --> 00:33:54.519
the paramedic walks up, he leans over her. You can

604
00:33:54.519 --> 00:33:56.680
see him kind of put his fingers up to check

605
00:33:56.720 --> 00:34:00.160
maybe the pulse in the neck and see if or

606
00:34:00.160 --> 00:34:02.920
any signs of life. And he's feeling for that pulse

607
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:07.799
before quietly and somberly just nodding yea and then saying yeah.

608
00:34:08.360 --> 00:34:11.880
And they all exited the room, careful not to touch anything.

609
00:34:12.239 --> 00:34:15.199
And that yeah was obviously not a good thing. It

610
00:34:15.280 --> 00:34:19.679
was confirmation that this victim was in fact deceased. She

611
00:34:19.719 --> 00:34:22.320
looked to be in her thirties. She had a very

612
00:34:22.400 --> 00:34:25.599
visible gunshot wound to her head, to her face, to

613
00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:29.280
her neck area, and she looked to have been dead

614
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:34.039
for some time, so at least a few hours so.

615
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:38.519
Back in the ambulance, the woman identified herself as Ashley

616
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:44.880
van Hemert, and she was obviously Audie and Lauren's roommate.

617
00:34:44.960 --> 00:34:48.519
Her condition was very critical and as they spoke to

618
00:34:48.559 --> 00:34:52.960
Ashley telling her of her injuries, she continued to remain shocked.

619
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:55.199
When they were telling her, honey, it looks like you

620
00:34:55.239 --> 00:34:59.239
may have been shot. She goes what she was legitimately

621
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:02.119
stunned to hear them tell her all of this proof

622
00:35:02.440 --> 00:35:07.679
that whatever she had endured, her brain was struggling very

623
00:35:07.760 --> 00:35:11.800
much to understand everything and to even do to process

624
00:35:11.840 --> 00:35:14.360
that she was hurt. So once she was at the

625
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:17.960
hospital and she was assessed by doctors, it was clear

626
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:21.519
just how out of it Ashley must have been, because

627
00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:27.639
her injuries were near catastrophic. She was shot multiple times.

628
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:32.199
She had two gunshots to the back. One of them

629
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:35.400
the bullet was lodged in her chest cavity. She had

630
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:38.480
a gunshot wound to the back of her head that

631
00:35:38.679 --> 00:35:42.679
was point blank. Someone put a gun to her head

632
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:46.440
and pulled the trigger, the bullet still lodged in her brain.

633
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.599
She had a through and through shot to her right shoulder.

634
00:35:51.199 --> 00:35:55.360
She was also shot in the neck, but in nothing

635
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.320
short of a miracle. Miracle is the only word is

636
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:03.039
the I don't know what you could say. I mean,

637
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:09.239
this is just beyond science, It's beyond anything. This has

638
00:36:09.280 --> 00:36:13.679
got to be a miracle. The bullet that shot into

639
00:36:13.719 --> 00:36:18.920
her neck hit her carotid, but it acted like a quirk.

640
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:23.199
It stopped, It didn't go all the way through and

641
00:36:23.239 --> 00:36:28.440
it had plugged her carotid artery. Have you ever have

642
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:32.480
you ever heard of something like this? This was definitely

643
00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:34.800
a miracle. It was one for the books. But she

644
00:36:35.039 --> 00:36:38.000
was nowhere near stable, nor was it known if she

645
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:39.559
was even going to survive. She had made it to

646
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:43.480
the hospital, but this was just catastrophic damage to her

647
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:48.559
body and in very important places, right your brain, your carotid,

648
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.639
all of this. So it was determined that she also

649
00:36:51.760 --> 00:36:54.920
had suffered a stroke, and she was paralyzed on one

650
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.639
side of her body, it was her left side. Not

651
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:02.360
to mention, she couldn't see, was blind, but the doctors

652
00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.480
held out hope that this could possibly just be a

653
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:09.840
symptom of the massive blood loss and maybe her vision

654
00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:15.440
could be restored if she even survived. So they continued

655
00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.320
to work on her at the hospital and to try

656
00:37:17.320 --> 00:37:19.000
to stabilize her and do what they had to do

657
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.920
to at least get her uh to a point that

658
00:37:22.599 --> 00:37:26.920
she may live well. Back at the crime scene, detectives

659
00:37:26.920 --> 00:37:31.159
were collecting what evidence they could, but that wouldn't necessarily

660
00:37:31.159 --> 00:37:35.719
be a lot. There were no fingerprints found outside of

661
00:37:36.320 --> 00:37:38.239
prints that should have been there. The women you know

662
00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:41.519
that lived there. They did have those footprints in the snow.

663
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.320
There was that busted doorframe off the back of the house,

664
00:37:46.119 --> 00:37:49.639
and then there were nine bullet casings that were recovered.

665
00:37:50.119 --> 00:37:53.599
Five were found in Ashley's room, who was trying to

666
00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.119
you know, clinging to life at this moment, and then

667
00:37:56.360 --> 00:38:01.199
four were found in the other room. So more bullets

668
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:06.039
were fired into Ashley's room, but Lauren was the one

669
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:09.320
that was dead, so determining who was actually the target

670
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.599
was not immediately clear. The motive did not seem to

671
00:38:13.639 --> 00:38:16.760
be robbery because nothing had been taken, the house was

672
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:21.440
not ransacked. What was clearly seen by the casings that

673
00:38:21.480 --> 00:38:25.800
were left behind in such small areas was that both

674
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:29.519
women had been shot over and over and over in

675
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:34.519
rapid succession, and they had been shot with twenty two

676
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:39.960
caliber bullets. So the casings lay in the carpet, they

677
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:42.719
were on the floor, one was found on the desk,

678
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:47.119
they're in the window seal, just proof that a vicious,

679
00:38:47.599 --> 00:38:53.639
NonStop attack had taken place in each room respectively. But

680
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.440
what was odd was that there were two different types

681
00:38:57.480 --> 00:39:02.320
of ammunition that were used. One was Winchester and the

682
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:08.840
other was Aguala. So this posed another question, were there

683
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:13.559
two shooters shooting in the house or was there one

684
00:39:13.599 --> 00:39:17.800
shooter who possibly had mixed ammo. Well, they obviously couldn't

685
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:19.440
know this right there at the crime scene. This would

686
00:39:19.480 --> 00:39:22.800
be something that the lab would have to confirm, and

687
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:27.000
that would have to wait because the only thing that

688
00:39:27.039 --> 00:39:29.559
they could do to confirm if it was multiple shooters

689
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.199
was to compare it to the weapon, and they did

690
00:39:32.199 --> 00:39:37.079
not find a weapon anywhere on the premises. So Audrea

691
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:41.119
back to her real quick after this horrifying discovery and

692
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:44.199
speaking to police. Initially, she had gone and taken shelter

693
00:39:44.360 --> 00:39:48.039
at that same neighbor's house where she stayed until, you know,

694
00:39:48.280 --> 00:39:51.480
everything calmed down. So once the ambulance took Ashley away

695
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.519
and police had secured the scene and had looked about

696
00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:57.320
and gathered their basic information, they went to speak with

697
00:39:57.400 --> 00:40:02.239
Audrea more in depth. Now she very visibly she was

698
00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:05.880
still visibly shaken her hand the entire time that the

699
00:40:05.920 --> 00:40:08.519
police are talking her. Her hand is over her mouth

700
00:40:09.119 --> 00:40:12.599
in shock, and she just kept blurting out, is Ashley alive?

701
00:40:13.039 --> 00:40:16.440
Is Ashley alive? And the officer was honest and that

702
00:40:16.559 --> 00:40:18.559
he said, I don't know who Ashley is. I don't

703
00:40:18.559 --> 00:40:21.400
know anyone's names. You know, we just had been helping

704
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:25.679
one victim who was loaded into the ambulance, and she's like, well,

705
00:40:25.679 --> 00:40:27.440
it would be the only one because she was the

706
00:40:27.480 --> 00:40:30.239
only one moving or talking, right. So the victim who

707
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:35.039
was deceased was then quickly confirmed to be Lauren. Lauren

708
00:40:35.079 --> 00:40:42.039
de Wise was dead. So Audreya's knees kind of get weak,

709
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.840
it seems like whenever it's just confirmed that at least

710
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:47.159
one of her roommates is dead, and in what would

711
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:50.679
be considered a spontaneous utterance, something that just kind of

712
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.039
comes out of her mouth. She gasps, she looks, she goes,

713
00:40:54.159 --> 00:40:57.880
you can't unsee that. You can't unsee that, and then

714
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:01.079
she says something to the effect of that crazy bastard,

715
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:06.519
I ran because he would have killed me. So obviously

716
00:41:06.559 --> 00:41:08.920
the officer needs to clarify who he was when she

717
00:41:08.920 --> 00:41:12.119
says he would have killed me. And Audie says, Lauren's

718
00:41:12.159 --> 00:41:15.320
ex husband. Well, it's still her current husband, but she

719
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.199
is in the process of divorcing him, so she as

720
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:23.320
his name is Paul. The officer noted this because obviously

721
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:28.519
anytime someone's divorcing, that's a good lead, and the investigation continued.

722
00:41:29.519 --> 00:41:31.880
Now more evidence would be collected at the scene in

723
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.280
terms of those footprints in the snow, because the more

724
00:41:35.320 --> 00:41:38.599
that they looked, investigators realized that there were actually two

725
00:41:38.639 --> 00:41:42.840
sets of distinct shoeprints in the snow leading to the

726
00:41:42.920 --> 00:41:46.320
back door, which had then been kicked in. But there

727
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:48.800
was a pressing issue right in the moment that had

728
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:52.639
to be fixed, okay, and that's that the sun was

729
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:57.000
continuing to shine and the snow was rapidly starting to melt.

730
00:41:57.360 --> 00:42:00.440
So the investigators used a very simple but ingenious method

731
00:42:00.639 --> 00:42:04.400
to preserve the prints. What they did was grab red

732
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:08.119
spray paint, and when they lightly dusted those prints in

733
00:42:08.199 --> 00:42:11.639
the snow, the red picked up all of that ridge

734
00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:15.480
detail of the shoe print. And this proved invaluable because

735
00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:18.400
you could very clearly see, even with the naked eye,

736
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.800
once they sprayed, that this was two different sets of prints,

737
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:25.840
and that they had two very distinct patterns. One for sure,

738
00:42:25.880 --> 00:42:28.760
and I'm saying this from a layman's terms, Okay, one

739
00:42:28.760 --> 00:42:31.599
for sure looked like it came from a work boot,

740
00:42:31.760 --> 00:42:35.559
something that style, and the other one looked to be

741
00:42:35.639 --> 00:42:38.840
more of like a shoe, one that you would wear

742
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:42.400
like day to day, possibly a tennis shoe, but just

743
00:42:42.440 --> 00:42:46.440
a more day to day type of shoe. Now, I

744
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.079
can tell you this, they did not match any of

745
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.199
the women's shoes or sizes from the home, so they

746
00:42:53.239 --> 00:42:57.480
were quickly excluded as you know, possible makers of these tracks.

747
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.920
So police now would have to work on matt unknown

748
00:43:00.920 --> 00:43:07.480
shoes to these prints, unknown sizes, unknown brand, make, model, whatever,

749
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:09.840
And obviously you can tell that that's going to take

750
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:14.480
some time. So as far as motive goes, Audie was

751
00:43:14.559 --> 00:43:19.440
cleared of any immediate enemies that would have wanted to

752
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:23.880
do this. Lauren was going through a divorce and Audie

753
00:43:23.920 --> 00:43:26.000
said that the soon to be ex husband in her words,

754
00:43:26.000 --> 00:43:29.119
you know, she basically was like, he's crazy, He's nuts. Okay,

755
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:34.159
but what about Ashley? Did Ashley have any skeletons in

756
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:39.400
her closet that might need to be looked into? So

757
00:43:39.519 --> 00:43:42.960
looking into Ashley's background, for the most part, she was

758
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.320
a woman who enjoyed being outdoors and she liked to

759
00:43:46.320 --> 00:43:49.039
hang out with her husky that also lived with her.

760
00:43:49.360 --> 00:43:53.599
His name was Bronson. Ashley was an athlete in high school.

761
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:57.079
She played nearly every sport. She excelled as a runner.

762
00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.760
Matter of fact, she actually held the school record for

763
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.840
the thirty two hundred meter run, So cross country was

764
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.920
just in her bones. Now older obviously since high school,

765
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.039
those days were behind her, but she was still extremely

766
00:44:10.159 --> 00:44:15.639
active and very athletic. She maintained that she would snowboard constantly,

767
00:44:16.079 --> 00:44:19.079
and she had even taught her dog Bronson to pull

768
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:22.280
her on her skis. I mean, she was just a

769
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:26.760
super competitive, active woman. She had even recently spent a

770
00:44:26.800 --> 00:44:30.119
few years teaching skiing and snowboarding on a military base

771
00:44:30.400 --> 00:44:34.960
all the way in Germany, and just the adventure was

772
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:37.000
also in her is what I'm trying to say. But

773
00:44:37.159 --> 00:44:39.679
she had just moved back to the current area where

774
00:44:39.679 --> 00:44:44.639
she lived about nine years ago, so in current times

775
00:44:44.679 --> 00:44:47.800
as this is going on, they found that Ashley was

776
00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:50.840
employed as a CNA at the local hospital, and in

777
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.159
her spare time, she liked to volunteer at our local church.

778
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:58.679
She was very religious and someone who also was very

779
00:44:58.840 --> 00:45:02.159
true to her faith. She was even sponsoring an Ethiopian

780
00:45:02.239 --> 00:45:05.079
child she met on a mission trip in twenty fourteen.

781
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:08.440
Telling you all of this, I think you would agree

782
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:11.360
with me and with investigators that she was hardly someone

783
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.800
leading a high risk lifestyle with you know, killer enemies

784
00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:18.559
out there, and no one who knew her could think

785
00:45:18.599 --> 00:45:22.280
of anyone who would want to execute her. So, in

786
00:45:22.400 --> 00:45:26.239
terms of a working timeline, Ashley had been out with

787
00:45:26.320 --> 00:45:29.639
friends the evening before the shooting. When I say friends,

788
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:32.280
it was her boyfriend, and I think that they went

789
00:45:32.320 --> 00:45:33.800
to the movies. Don't quote me on that, but it

790
00:45:33.840 --> 00:45:36.239
was just a very normal, low key thing that they did.

791
00:45:36.519 --> 00:45:38.679
And when she got home, her boyfriend had dropped her

792
00:45:38.719 --> 00:45:40.960
back off at the house. You know, they kissed goodbye,

793
00:45:41.400 --> 00:45:44.719
she went up to her room, went upstairs, immediately, got

794
00:45:44.800 --> 00:45:48.480
ready for bed, got in the bed, and was turned

795
00:45:48.480 --> 00:45:53.400
in for the night. So police believed that both women

796
00:45:53.960 --> 00:45:56.480
were shot by an intruder who came in through the

797
00:45:56.519 --> 00:46:01.320
back door about two hours after Ashley had returned home.

798
00:46:02.119 --> 00:46:07.440
And a working timeline is important, right. So the crazy part, though,

799
00:46:07.960 --> 00:46:12.639
is that they were not discovered for an additional nine

800
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:18.760
hours when Audie returned home that morning. So don't let

801
00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:22.280
this get lost on you. For nine hours, Ashley had

802
00:46:22.360 --> 00:46:28.039
laid there, paralyzed, blind and bleeding out, unable to get

803
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:33.360
help for herself. Nine hours. The agony and the suffering,

804
00:46:33.639 --> 00:46:37.320
and just the fear alone, the fear alone of not

805
00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:39.599
being able to see not knowing what was going on.

806
00:46:39.719 --> 00:46:42.400
That is just unbearable for me to even consider. It

807
00:46:42.480 --> 00:46:47.760
is beyond cruel. So, based on everything that we know

808
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:51.760
to this point, Lauren's soon to be ex husband, Paul

809
00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:55.119
was going to be the immediate person that police wanted

810
00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:58.119
to speak with, and they wasted no time tracking him

811
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:00.679
down as someone that they wanted to ask questions too.

812
00:47:01.000 --> 00:47:04.639
And I don't say this like cliche either, Like they

813
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.800
got on the road right then and tracked him down

814
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:12.760
in traffic right then. I'm talking high risk traffic, stop approach,

815
00:47:13.440 --> 00:47:17.480
car surrounded, guns drawn, super dramatic, something out of a

816
00:47:17.519 --> 00:47:21.000
movie scene. But Paul looked like a deer in the

817
00:47:21.039 --> 00:47:25.679
headlights during their commands, total eyes wide open, like what

818
00:47:26.000 --> 00:47:28.280
in the hell is going on? He was ordered to

819
00:47:28.280 --> 00:47:31.000
get out of the vehicle. He had his hands, you know,

820
00:47:31.079 --> 00:47:33.840
interlocked behind his head. He was commanded to get down

821
00:47:33.920 --> 00:47:37.559
on your knees. The police then cautiously approached him, placed

822
00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:41.360
him in handcuffs, and he was dressed like he had

823
00:47:41.400 --> 00:47:43.360
just gotten out of church or something, which to that

824
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:46.719
point he told police, you know what is happening here?

825
00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:49.880
I just left church. My kids are in the car,

826
00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:53.519
and sure enough. There in the front seat sat a

827
00:47:53.599 --> 00:47:57.639
terrified young Joe with his hands up, and Natalie and

828
00:47:57.719 --> 00:48:01.480
baby there in the back crying, just completely overwhelmed by

829
00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:04.960
having guns drawn and a car surrounded and their dad taken.

830
00:48:05.760 --> 00:48:09.280
The whole situation I'm sure was just beyond scary for

831
00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:12.519
the kids. But Paul was just as flustered because he

832
00:48:12.559 --> 00:48:15.199
didn't know what was going on, and he believed that

833
00:48:15.320 --> 00:48:18.400
they had a mistaken identity or something like that arresting him.

834
00:48:18.440 --> 00:48:20.760
He's like, what you know, Holy crap, you know what

835
00:48:20.880 --> 00:48:24.199
is going on? Well, Paul was promptly taken into custody,

836
00:48:24.440 --> 00:48:27.440
and he was taken into custody on suspicion of murder.

837
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:31.719
He was not arrested, but he was taken into custody

838
00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:35.320
at that point because obviously his soon to be ex

839
00:48:35.360 --> 00:48:37.679
wife was dead. So he was brought down to the

840
00:48:37.679 --> 00:48:41.239
police department for questioning, and the kids were placed with

841
00:48:41.320 --> 00:48:45.840
a friend for the time being, but separated from their dad. Now,

842
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:47.960
I'm going to tell you, looking at Paul, he does

843
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.400
not give off stone cold killer vibes. He looked more

844
00:48:51.480 --> 00:48:55.039
like an insurance agent or a Microsoft employee or something

845
00:48:55.079 --> 00:49:00.679
like that. Glasses Strawberry blonde, short haircut, white guy. He

846
00:49:00.800 --> 00:49:02.840
kind of you know, combed his bangs over, a little

847
00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:08.079
bit average joe looking kind of deal. Okay. Upon initial

848
00:49:08.079 --> 00:49:12.559
contact in the interrogation room, he didn't get overly animated

849
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:17.559
or out of control. He was just a mild mannered guy, clearly,

850
00:49:18.039 --> 00:49:20.679
you know, alarmed by what was going on, but not

851
00:49:20.840 --> 00:49:23.719
wild and dangerous, you know, and screaming or anything. So

852
00:49:23.760 --> 00:49:27.159
an officer comes in and advises him that, look, we're

853
00:49:27.199 --> 00:49:28.880
about to be asking you some questions, but for the

854
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:31.159
time being, we need to play some brown paper bags

855
00:49:31.480 --> 00:49:36.719
over your hands until further notice. And Paul's head kind

856
00:49:36.760 --> 00:49:39.599
of juts forward and his eyebrows screw up, and he's like,

857
00:49:39.719 --> 00:49:42.599
excuse me, you're gonna put You're gonna put bags over

858
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:45.599
my hands and they're like yeah, And so his hands

859
00:49:45.599 --> 00:49:47.440
were just in his pockets at the moment. So he

860
00:49:47.760 --> 00:49:51.199
pulls him out and he kind of begins removing his jacket,

861
00:49:51.199 --> 00:49:54.199
but he asks for clarification, like you're putting my hands

862
00:49:54.199 --> 00:49:58.079
in bags, and they're like yes. You can tell he's

863
00:49:58.079 --> 00:50:00.280
taken aback by this, but he complies. He it's his

864
00:50:00.320 --> 00:50:03.719
hands out and the officer asks him, look, can we

865
00:50:03.800 --> 00:50:07.239
swab your hands and he's like, yeah, whatever you need

866
00:50:07.280 --> 00:50:09.239
to do. He puts him out and he says, we're

867
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:12.079
gonna check. We want to check a swab for gunshot residue.

868
00:50:13.039 --> 00:50:16.199
And he's just staring at them like confused, and he's like,

869
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:18.280
do whatever you need to do. You're like, you know

870
00:50:18.320 --> 00:50:21.559
what is going on here? I need to know. And

871
00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:23.480
so after this, they basically just got down to the

872
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:27.039
nut cutting and Paul was wanting answer answers as to

873
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:29.320
why he was there first of all, and what why

874
00:50:29.320 --> 00:50:31.000
do I bags over my hands and all of this,

875
00:50:31.119 --> 00:50:34.280
and so they explained at that moment something bad had

876
00:50:34.960 --> 00:50:38.920
happened to Ashley, and he goes, is she okay? And

877
00:50:38.960 --> 00:50:43.000
he leans in is she okay? And the cops explain

878
00:50:43.079 --> 00:50:46.039
in that moment that someone had broken into the home

879
00:50:46.079 --> 00:50:50.679
where she was living and they shot her. And he

880
00:50:51.119 --> 00:50:55.800
leans forward and he says, what happened? What happened? He

881
00:50:55.800 --> 00:50:58.519
says it multiple times, what happened? Just tell me what happened.

882
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:04.039
And they break the news to him that Lauren is

883
00:51:04.239 --> 00:51:08.719
not okay and that she is actually deceased. She has

884
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:13.840
passed away, and in that moment, Paul immediately pulled his

885
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:17.079
arms up. He kind of crossed him, you know, around

886
00:51:17.079 --> 00:51:19.800
his body, and he starts kind of like hugging himself

887
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:24.480
and he's rocking back and forth in just seemingly self

888
00:51:24.519 --> 00:51:29.039
soothing at this news. He had to grab himself and

889
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:31.800
he says, oh my god, Oh my god. He said,

890
00:51:31.840 --> 00:51:33.960
when they put me in the car, they said they

891
00:51:33.960 --> 00:51:38.039
were investigating a homicide. But I didn't think I would

892
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:40.800
know who it was, you know, I thought this was

893
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:43.440
a misunderstanding. I thought this was wrong identity or something

894
00:51:43.559 --> 00:51:47.239
like that. So the initial shock does have to wear off, okay,

895
00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:49.639
and he's sitting there, he's rocking kind of the big

896
00:51:49.679 --> 00:51:51.719
eyed stare off, like oh my god, my god, my god,

897
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.800
h'm my god. After they give him some time, Paul

898
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:59.719
then starts answering questions. They want to know the status

899
00:51:59.719 --> 00:52:01.480
of their marriage. They want to try to, you know,

900
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.239
catch Paul obviously in a lie or something like that,

901
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:08.719
but he explained everything truthfully. He said, we met while

902
00:52:08.760 --> 00:52:12.239
we were teaching years ago. We got married, he said,

903
00:52:12.239 --> 00:52:15.320
me and my wife are in the process of a divorce.

904
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:18.800
We got married, we moved here. Lauren got a new

905
00:52:18.880 --> 00:52:23.239
job at the bank. She got promoted very quickly, even

906
00:52:23.239 --> 00:52:25.599
though she had only been a teller for about a year.

907
00:52:26.039 --> 00:52:29.000
He was beyond proud of her, and he would brag

908
00:52:29.039 --> 00:52:32.360
to anyone who would listen. Initially, but then he said,

909
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.480
things just kind of took a turn. We stopped getting along.

910
00:52:36.239 --> 00:52:40.119
She wasn't coming home like she I thought she should.

911
00:52:40.199 --> 00:52:43.199
She wasn't staying with us enough. And he said, we

912
00:52:43.239 --> 00:52:47.119
are separated right now. That's why we're living in different homes.

913
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:52.000
And now he the realization hits him. No, oh my god,

914
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:54.480
I can never even rectify this. She's dead, Like I

915
00:52:54.480 --> 00:52:57.880
can't even get my family back together. She's gone. And

916
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:01.599
it was a lot to handle for anybody in that moment.

917
00:53:02.480 --> 00:53:07.440
But they continue talking to him. He does continue to

918
00:53:07.559 --> 00:53:10.639
answer more questions very directly as they're asking him. But

919
00:53:10.800 --> 00:53:14.800
then he has kind of like this moment where you

920
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:18.039
can see the wheels start turning in his head and

921
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:22.360
he it hits him that they think he did it.

922
00:53:23.559 --> 00:53:26.800
He even vocalizes this revelation as it kind of hits him,

923
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:29.519
and he says, you think I did this, don't you?

924
00:53:30.159 --> 00:53:32.159
And he pulled his glasses off. He set him down

925
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:35.559
on the table and he starts rubbing the thighs of

926
00:53:35.599 --> 00:53:37.880
his jeans and he's kind of rubbing, you know, back

927
00:53:37.920 --> 00:53:42.079
and forth. And just the realization obviously was now even

928
00:53:42.079 --> 00:53:46.280
more stressful to him that they are pointing the finger indirectly,

929
00:53:46.639 --> 00:53:49.599
but pointing the finger at him, but proving it wasn't

930
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:54.079
him wouldn't be hard, because he said the night before

931
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.519
or the day before, really, he said he hadn't felt well,

932
00:53:56.559 --> 00:53:58.639
He had spent a lot of the day in his recliner,

933
00:53:59.159 --> 00:54:01.159
and then you know, he was with the kids the

934
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:05.039
whole time the night before that this had happened. The

935
00:54:05.079 --> 00:54:07.519
previous night, he said he was with the kids the

936
00:54:07.679 --> 00:54:09.679
entire time. The only time that he'd even left the

937
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:13.320
house was late that evening when he went to go

938
00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.519
pick up a six pack of beer. They say, okay,

939
00:54:15.519 --> 00:54:18.719
well what time was that. He says it was around midnight. Well,

940
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:21.480
you know, there's cameras everywhere these days, and so you know,

941
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:27.639
if that's true, we're gonna see you. And when the

942
00:54:27.679 --> 00:54:31.159
police had also talked to the children they were questioned

943
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:33.280
before they were sent to go with a family friend,

944
00:54:33.679 --> 00:54:37.039
they also had recounted the same story. They said, Natalie said,

945
00:54:37.159 --> 00:54:38.679
my dad was with us all day long. He was

946
00:54:38.719 --> 00:54:42.079
only gone for about fifteen minutes. Whenever he had run

947
00:54:42.119 --> 00:54:45.440
to the store, and Joe had the same story too,

948
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:47.920
So police are like, all right, well, you know, it's

949
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:49.280
kind of checking out, but let's go see if we

950
00:54:49.280 --> 00:54:52.239
see him on camera. Well, they go to that store

951
00:54:52.280 --> 00:54:55.000
he said he went to, and sure enough, the video

952
00:54:55.079 --> 00:54:58.000
surveillance at the store also showed Paul entering just like

953
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:01.639
he said, around twelve thirty f so half an hour

954
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:05.400
after midnight. He was dressed in the same jacket that

955
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:07.880
he was wearing when he was arrested, a green one,

956
00:55:07.920 --> 00:55:10.840
and had an orange orange inside of the hoodie. So

957
00:55:10.880 --> 00:55:13.000
it was very clearly Paul. It wasn't like it was

958
00:55:13.000 --> 00:55:14.639
a you know, a bad camera. You could tell it

959
00:55:14.679 --> 00:55:19.599
really was him. So why were the couple separated in

960
00:55:19.679 --> 00:55:23.519
the first place. Well, Paul expanded on this and said

961
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:27.199
that he really felt like Lauren had changed. She had

962
00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:29.880
started going out a lot with her new friends and drinking,

963
00:55:29.960 --> 00:55:32.679
she was staying out late. But his thing was that

964
00:55:32.760 --> 00:55:36.480
she was distancing herself from from Paul, you know, and

965
00:55:36.559 --> 00:55:38.559
their marriage. You know, we're married, we've got to be

966
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:41.519
a team together. But not only did Paul feel like that,

967
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:44.760
the kids felt like this was the same thing that

968
00:55:44.840 --> 00:55:48.239
was happening. The kids recognized and even told police this

969
00:55:48.719 --> 00:55:52.519
that Lauren was getting snappy, she was angry, and she

970
00:55:52.679 --> 00:55:56.519
was not wanting to be around them. Was it hurt

971
00:55:56.599 --> 00:56:00.519
their hearts? He even claimed that she was getting extra

972
00:56:00.639 --> 00:56:03.719
dressed up and beautiful when she was going to work,

973
00:56:04.519 --> 00:56:08.000
but was just neglecting her husband didn't give a shit,

974
00:56:08.119 --> 00:56:11.559
and then neglecting the children, and that was really bothering him.

975
00:56:11.599 --> 00:56:14.199
She had stopped cooking, he said that she wasn't getting

976
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:17.840
groceries anymore. And I think you can kind of see

977
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:22.679
how this could compound over time. You know, this is

978
00:56:22.719 --> 00:56:26.280
how marriages fall apart, this very thing, lack of communication

979
00:56:26.800 --> 00:56:29.280
and finger pointing. I mean, that's why fifty percent of

980
00:56:29.280 --> 00:56:32.400
marriages fail. None of this is out of the box.

981
00:56:32.719 --> 00:56:36.119
He also said, Plus he had gotten injured and he

982
00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:38.400
had hurt his knee. She didn't even seem to care

983
00:56:38.440 --> 00:56:42.159
about that. He had to have surgery to also repair

984
00:56:42.199 --> 00:56:46.559
his acl and again after that big surgery, she just

985
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:50.480
wasn't helpful to him. You know, it just it just

986
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.679
had gone to a point where it just wasn't fun anymore.

987
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.039
Nobody wanted to argue anymore, and everything just compounded until

988
00:56:56.280 --> 00:57:01.159
they split. But Paul and Lauren were remaining cordial. He

989
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.039
had even been texting and asking her if she had wanted,

990
00:57:04.159 --> 00:57:05.360
you know, if she wanted to go to church with

991
00:57:05.440 --> 00:57:09.320
him and the kids the night before. Now she had declined,

992
00:57:09.840 --> 00:57:12.159
but it wasn't like they were not on speaking terms.

993
00:57:12.159 --> 00:57:16.039
They were still co parenting. Paul even showed texts to

994
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.960
the police. When they asked, Hey, can we see your phone,

995
00:57:19.000 --> 00:57:21.400
he was like yeah, and he showed these text messages.

996
00:57:21.639 --> 00:57:25.079
So when the police were done feeling Paul out, they

997
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:27.079
also like, I told you had spoken in depth with

998
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:30.159
the kids, who again echoed the same sentiments like Lauren

999
00:57:30.199 --> 00:57:33.159
had been less interested in coming home and that they

1000
00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:36.559
were with Paul the night before. It was then, in

1001
00:57:36.599 --> 00:57:40.079
that moment that the kids had to be broken. Someone

1002
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:41.559
had to break the news to them because they were

1003
00:57:41.559 --> 00:57:43.920
separated from their dad, but they had to know that

1004
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:49.079
Lauren had passed away, and so they gently, very gently

1005
00:57:49.119 --> 00:57:51.559
broke the news to the kids that your mom is

1006
00:57:51.599 --> 00:57:55.480
in heaven and you know that she has been killed.

1007
00:57:56.079 --> 00:58:00.360
So the kids were all understandably distraught, heartbroken. They were

1008
00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.880
released back to this family friend and Paul was now

1009
00:58:03.960 --> 00:58:06.119
released as well, but he was told there were a

1010
00:58:06.119 --> 00:58:09.119
couple of conditions. You cannot take your kids for the

1011
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:13.039
time being, and your home is also off limits because

1012
00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:18.519
a search warrant is being executed on your home. So Audie,

1013
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:21.800
the roommate and the homeowner, was brought in to speak

1014
00:58:21.840 --> 00:58:24.280
with police in a follow up interview as well, because

1015
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:27.159
she was the one who had finger pointed Paul, and

1016
00:58:27.239 --> 00:58:30.559
she told police that Lauren had made claims that Paul

1017
00:58:30.719 --> 00:58:34.440
was abusive to her. Now what exactly she would say

1018
00:58:34.440 --> 00:58:37.320
to police, you know, is hearsay because it's not directly

1019
00:58:37.360 --> 00:58:40.519
out of Lauren's mouth. But you know, police are listening

1020
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:43.880
to it. They want they want to see if if

1021
00:58:43.880 --> 00:58:45.559
there's any truth to it. But they also are going

1022
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.800
to have to get some proof, you know, it can't

1023
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:52.280
just be Audie pointing fingers. So they're looking further into Paul,

1024
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:54.960
maybe like his uh, if you had any criminal history

1025
00:58:55.039 --> 00:58:57.840
or anything like that. What they found was that Paul

1026
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:01.199
did have some interactions with police, but it was not

1027
00:59:02.079 --> 00:59:06.360
in relation to Lauren. So for example, Paul had said

1028
00:59:06.360 --> 00:59:09.480
that he hurt his knee. Well, there was a lot

1029
00:59:09.519 --> 00:59:13.199
more to the story. And I want to remind you,

1030
00:59:13.199 --> 00:59:15.480
remember I told you that Paul recorded a lot of

1031
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:19.440
his family life on his phone. Well this had been

1032
00:59:19.480 --> 00:59:22.599
recorded too, so police were actually able to watch this

1033
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.280
situation that went down. So Paul and Baby were taking

1034
00:59:26.280 --> 00:59:30.320
a walk. They were walking together. Baby had like a

1035
00:59:30.320 --> 00:59:32.639
little umbrella stroller, but she would get out of it

1036
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:35.079
and she would push it, just you know, a dad

1037
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:38.079
daughter walk. And so to give you the layout of

1038
00:59:38.079 --> 00:59:41.760
what happened, there's all these houses. Behind the houses, most

1039
00:59:41.800 --> 00:59:44.880
of them have like a chain link fence on their backyards,

1040
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.039
and then there's like a dirt walking path behind all

1041
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:53.559
of these houses. Well, Paul and Baby were taking a

1042
00:59:53.599 --> 00:59:59.159
walk on that walking path when a drunk woman appeared,

1043
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:03.599
and Paul says, this is how Paul explained it. There

1044
01:00:03.679 --> 01:00:06.719
was a woman who was drinking. She was drunk, and

1045
01:00:07.599 --> 01:00:11.760
she got belligerent with him, and then she released her dogs,

1046
01:00:12.159 --> 01:00:15.840
who then came out of the fence and attacked him

1047
01:00:16.239 --> 01:00:19.280
and Baby, like she opened the gate and purposefully let

1048
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:22.639
these dogs out to attack them. Well, as that's happening,

1049
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:27.480
another man came out of that house and he also

1050
01:00:27.679 --> 01:00:32.760
came and started fighting with Paul, but he actually tackled

1051
01:00:32.800 --> 01:00:36.039
Paul and they start like tussling. So Baby during all

1052
01:00:36.119 --> 01:00:40.079
this is screaming, she's crying, she's scared. The phone falls

1053
01:00:40.119 --> 01:00:42.880
to the ground. But Paul always carried a knife on him,

1054
01:00:42.880 --> 01:00:46.679
and in the scuffle, Paul pulled the knife and the

1055
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.159
man gets off of him and backs up and he

1056
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:55.239
starts claiming that Paul had attacked him. So the man's like, dude,

1057
01:00:55.239 --> 01:00:57.639
you stabbed me. Are you serious? Bro? You stab me?

1058
01:00:57.719 --> 01:00:59.880
And it was in the arm. He's like got the

1059
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:05.760
wound on his arm. So baby, like I say, is

1060
01:01:06.679 --> 01:01:09.320
losing her mind, you know, crying because it scared her.

1061
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:11.880
The camera pans and you see babies start pushing her

1062
01:01:11.880 --> 01:01:14.800
stroller away from this house that now has all these

1063
01:01:14.800 --> 01:01:17.559
people out there kind of arguing with Paul. And you

1064
01:01:17.559 --> 01:01:19.920
can see Paul's got the knife up and he's kind

1065
01:01:19.920 --> 01:01:21.599
of pointing it at him, like stay away from me,

1066
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:23.920
you better stay away from me. Let's go. Baby, you

1067
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:26.000
thought that dog was going to bite you and hurt you, huh?

1068
01:01:26.199 --> 01:01:28.440
And she's like yeah. And so there they keep going

1069
01:01:28.480 --> 01:01:32.400
on down the path and separate from the people. Well,

1070
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:35.519
it turns out those people then went and called nine

1071
01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:38.679
to one one saying that a man had stabbed one

1072
01:01:38.719 --> 01:01:42.599
of them. So the officer shows up. He approaches Paul

1073
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:45.039
on the on the walk path. You know, he's dropped

1074
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:47.599
the knie, drop the knife, drop the knife. Paul drops

1075
01:01:47.599 --> 01:01:51.360
the knife and he's handcuffed. The knife was this handheld one,

1076
01:01:51.679 --> 01:01:53.840
like a handheld one with a straight blade on it

1077
01:01:54.000 --> 01:01:59.360
type thing. So Paul then is explaining to the police

1078
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:09.039
that there was boom. So Paul is in custody, and

1079
01:02:09.079 --> 01:02:11.679
the family from the house where the dogs were their

1080
01:02:11.719 --> 01:02:14.159
story was a little bit different from what Paul had

1081
01:02:14.199 --> 01:02:17.800
said because they said that Paul and his daughter were

1082
01:02:17.880 --> 01:02:21.119
standing behind their gate for a few minutes and just

1083
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:24.199
agitating the dogs. The dogs continued to get ramped up,

1084
01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:28.159
continued to bark more, and so the lady said, I

1085
01:02:28.199 --> 01:02:30.039
went out and asked if they would just move on down,

1086
01:02:30.079 --> 01:02:32.639
because the dogs were barking and going crazy, and with

1087
01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:38.159
them right there, you know, they weren't gonna stop. And

1088
01:02:38.280 --> 01:02:41.920
Paul then was like saying, no, we're doing something right here,

1089
01:02:41.960 --> 01:02:44.840
blah blah blah. Well, the dog, she said, was able

1090
01:02:44.880 --> 01:02:47.599
to squeeze through and kind of pop the gate, and

1091
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:50.519
that was how the dog got out. Then the man,

1092
01:02:50.559 --> 01:02:52.480
I guess, goes running out to get the dog. Is

1093
01:02:52.559 --> 01:02:55.719
kind of how I understood that but the man ended

1094
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.920
up needing stitches on his arm. And here's the thing though,

1095
01:03:00.360 --> 01:03:04.880
the whole situation, whatever happened, the trail was considered a

1096
01:03:04.880 --> 01:03:08.280
public walkway, and since the man from the house approached

1097
01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:12.840
Paul first, the stabbing was ruled as justified in self

1098
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:16.960
defense because Paul was trying to protect his daughter. The

1099
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.000
man from the house, the one who got stabbed, was

1100
01:03:20.039 --> 01:03:22.679
actually the one charged. He was charged with assault and

1101
01:03:22.800 --> 01:03:27.199
having an animal at large. Now that whole drama goes down,

1102
01:03:27.599 --> 01:03:30.840
and when Lauren found out about it, she was mortified

1103
01:03:30.880 --> 01:03:33.320
first of all that I guess these are the neighbors

1104
01:03:33.360 --> 01:03:37.079
and you're out here stabbing our neighbors. But Paul then

1105
01:03:37.119 --> 01:03:41.239
got upset because since she was embarrassed and mortified, she

1106
01:03:41.679 --> 01:03:45.000
was felt like Paul probably had provoked those people and

1107
01:03:45.159 --> 01:03:49.480
made the issue, which interestingly is exactly what the woman

1108
01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:52.760
of the house where this happened. What she had said,

1109
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.119
Lauren told him, you could have kept walking. You didn't

1110
01:03:56.119 --> 01:03:57.800
even have to engage the people. Why didn't you just

1111
01:03:57.880 --> 01:03:59.719
keep walking if the dogs were barking? So she was

1112
01:03:59.800 --> 01:04:03.519
very frustrated by that. Well, Paul felt like Lauren was

1113
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:07.440
then punishing him by not being supportive and the fact

1114
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:09.559
that he had gotten hurt during all of it, you know,

1115
01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:12.000
you'd had the surgeries and all that kind of stuff.

1116
01:04:12.400 --> 01:04:15.360
So on top of it, while he's explaining all of this,

1117
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:20.760
part of the recovery for his acl was that it

1118
01:04:20.840 --> 01:04:22.960
was supposed to be massage. The doctor said, you've got

1119
01:04:23.000 --> 01:04:26.719
a massage it every day, and Lauren would only use

1120
01:04:26.760 --> 01:04:30.239
one hand and kind of half assed massage his leg

1121
01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:33.360
for him, and that made him mad because she needed

1122
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.639
to use two hands, and obviously she didn't give a

1123
01:04:35.639 --> 01:04:37.840
shit because she wouldn't massage it the way that it

1124
01:04:37.880 --> 01:04:42.400
needed to be done. But in these videos, because remember

1125
01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:45.199
police are able to watch a lot of the documentation

1126
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:48.320
that Paul had done when he videoed everything, there was

1127
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:53.480
a video of Paul recording her, recording Lauren as he

1128
01:04:53.559 --> 01:04:57.119
is confronting her, and she's laying in the bed and

1129
01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:58.599
he's confronting her about you know, you don't give a

1130
01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.480
shit about me, you don't give a shit about her family.

1131
01:05:00.880 --> 01:05:02.960
You won't even help me with my leg and I've

1132
01:05:02.960 --> 01:05:05.599
had surgery, and she's like, can you please stop being

1133
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:09.400
so loud, please stop yelling. She's trying to reason with him,

1134
01:05:09.840 --> 01:05:12.119
and he's keeping the cell phone in her face basically

1135
01:05:12.480 --> 01:05:16.519
the whole time. So it does kind of back up

1136
01:05:16.840 --> 01:05:20.360
what was going on, you know, as far as them

1137
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:24.599
not getting long well, speaking with Lauren's work family, this

1138
01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:28.679
would shed some additional light on the circumstances, because you

1139
01:05:28.760 --> 01:05:30.719
know this already. Paul was not a huge fan of

1140
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.360
her job after a short while because she's spending so

1141
01:05:33.440 --> 01:05:36.880
much time with those people. But Lauren's boss had become

1142
01:05:37.280 --> 01:05:41.039
concerned because he started noticing that she was coming to

1143
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.360
work with bruises. And it was like a time or

1144
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.320
two that he really saw it, and so he said

1145
01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:48.840
there were bruises on her arms, and so he actually

1146
01:05:48.880 --> 01:05:52.320
had confronted Lauren about it. Well, she claimed that she

1147
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:55.360
had fallen, but he's like she could barely use her arm,

1148
01:05:55.519 --> 01:05:59.639
like he thought it was broken another time now looking

1149
01:05:59.679 --> 01:06:02.760
back on it, she had a black eye, like in

1150
01:06:02.800 --> 01:06:04.920
the corner of the outside corner of her eye. She

1151
01:06:05.039 --> 01:06:07.440
had like a bruise probably the size of a quarter

1152
01:06:08.199 --> 01:06:12.840
on the outside of her eye. But Lauren dismissed all

1153
01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:15.119
of this, and Paul even said baby had hit her

1154
01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.119
with a like a toy. They were she was holding

1155
01:06:18.159 --> 01:06:20.039
baby and baby had smacked her and hit her with

1156
01:06:20.079 --> 01:06:23.400
a toy on her head, and Lauren always dismissed it

1157
01:06:23.400 --> 01:06:25.800
and was like that, you know, everything is fine, like

1158
01:06:25.840 --> 01:06:28.360
please don't and she remained happy and bubbly and went

1159
01:06:28.360 --> 01:06:31.760
about her business. Paul, however, at this point, was starting

1160
01:06:31.760 --> 01:06:33.519
to believe that she was cheating on him and that's

1161
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.199
where all of this came from, and so he started

1162
01:06:36.199 --> 01:06:39.719
to constantly accuse her of cheating on him, although Lauren

1163
01:06:39.840 --> 01:06:44.440
always denied it. But in one instance, Lauren was at

1164
01:06:44.480 --> 01:06:48.199
a bar with some of her coworkers and Paul had

1165
01:06:48.239 --> 01:06:51.280
shown up at that bar because he was starting to

1166
01:06:51.320 --> 01:06:54.119
look at her location on Life three sixty. But when

1167
01:06:54.159 --> 01:06:57.239
he showed up at that bar, he brought their teenage son,

1168
01:06:57.400 --> 01:07:01.599
Joseph with him and they sat in the car and

1169
01:07:01.639 --> 01:07:08.159
they watched for Lauren. Well, Lauren eventually did come out,

1170
01:07:08.519 --> 01:07:10.599
and then she went and she sat in the car

1171
01:07:10.639 --> 01:07:14.280
with another man, and that's when Paul claimed that she

1172
01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:18.320
and that man started making out. Paul obviously gets infuriated.

1173
01:07:18.400 --> 01:07:20.719
He goes and he storms up on the car. He

1174
01:07:20.760 --> 01:07:23.039
pulls Lauren out. She's so drunk, he said, she could

1175
01:07:23.079 --> 01:07:25.599
barely stand. And that's when the man that she was

1176
01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:30.079
kissing attacked Paul. Well, the police get called and show up,

1177
01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:34.400
but the coworker says, I didn't attack Paul. Paul attacked me.

1178
01:07:35.599 --> 01:07:38.480
I didn't hit him first, he hit me. But that

1179
01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:43.800
coworker also had declined to press charges. So police wanted

1180
01:07:43.840 --> 01:07:46.079
to contact that man and they needed to ask him

1181
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:48.920
some pretty difficult questions. But the man told police, look,

1182
01:07:48.960 --> 01:07:52.360
we never kissed or anything. I just walked her out

1183
01:07:52.559 --> 01:07:55.960
to the car. But here's the thing. Police didn't really

1184
01:07:56.039 --> 01:07:58.760
believe this guy. They had a reason they didn't really

1185
01:07:58.800 --> 01:08:01.440
believe him, and that's because that guy had a girlfriend

1186
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:04.639
or a fiance himself. So the police kind of felt

1187
01:08:04.639 --> 01:08:06.639
like he wasn't telling the whole truth because he wanted

1188
01:08:06.639 --> 01:08:11.920
to hide any of this drama from that woman that

1189
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.719
he was in a relationship with. If he would have

1190
01:08:13.719 --> 01:08:17.560
pressed charges, she would have found out either way. It

1191
01:08:17.680 --> 01:08:21.159
did look though, like Paul was kind of watching every

1192
01:08:21.239 --> 01:08:24.640
move that Lauren made, but he would then make everything

1193
01:08:25.159 --> 01:08:29.600
worse because rather than handle the situation in private between

1194
01:08:29.720 --> 01:08:33.359
two married adults that are not doing well, he then

1195
01:08:33.560 --> 01:08:38.039
ran home and then told all of their children, including

1196
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:43.319
the baby, what had supposedly happened. Well, this threw the

1197
01:08:43.359 --> 01:08:48.399
teenage daughter Natalie into an all out meltdown and a

1198
01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:53.680
family fight ensued, which incredibly Paul had recorded on the

1199
01:08:53.720 --> 01:08:59.439
cell phone. So the kids were seeing all of this animosity,

1200
01:08:59.479 --> 01:09:01.840
they were obvious feeling the tension, and they were not

1201
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.760
equipped to handle such adult situations, nor should they have

1202
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:09.560
had to, in my humble opinion, So they were emotional wrecks.

1203
01:09:09.960 --> 01:09:12.600
And so the oldest daughter, which is Natalie, she's crying.

1204
01:09:12.960 --> 01:09:17.800
She's having a screaming throw out, you know, just throw down, breakdown,

1205
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:21.840
which Paul is recording, and Natalie is screaming at Lauren,

1206
01:09:21.880 --> 01:09:24.560
her mother, how could you do this? You've been acting

1207
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:27.279
weird and now you're out with another man. What are

1208
01:09:27.319 --> 01:09:31.119
you doing? And Lauren tried to minimize the situation, but

1209
01:09:31.800 --> 01:09:34.279
everyone around her in the house, obviously all of her

1210
01:09:34.279 --> 01:09:37.239
family was against her. And while they're screaming and fighting

1211
01:09:37.319 --> 01:09:40.319
is going on, Paul was steadily egging it on as

1212
01:09:40.319 --> 01:09:44.039
far as the kids go. In the recording, Paul then

1213
01:09:44.119 --> 01:09:46.800
decides to take it even a step further because he

1214
01:09:46.840 --> 01:09:50.600
took Lauren's phone and he started texting the man pretending

1215
01:09:51.039 --> 01:09:53.800
to be Lauren, and he was saying things in these

1216
01:09:53.840 --> 01:09:56.840
texts like I love my family, and you took advantage

1217
01:09:56.840 --> 01:09:59.920
of me. Paul was in the airborne infantry. He's a

1218
01:10:00.479 --> 01:10:02.840
and he's a badass, all that kind of stuff. And

1219
01:10:02.880 --> 01:10:06.720
then he added, but and so Paul's pretend to be Lauren.

1220
01:10:06.760 --> 01:10:09.760
He added, I will claim he hit me if he

1221
01:10:09.800 --> 01:10:15.760
says anything. That's how I control him. So during the recordings,

1222
01:10:16.279 --> 01:10:18.680
Lauren eventually just gives up, though, when she starts yelling

1223
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:21.880
out to the family, I'm wrong. I was wrong. I

1224
01:10:22.119 --> 01:10:26.319
was wrong. I was wrong, and she's just like saying, okay, fine,

1225
01:10:26.640 --> 01:10:30.880
I was wrong. But then, strangely, in the following days,

1226
01:10:31.840 --> 01:10:35.039
she wrote a Paul to wrote a letter to Paul,

1227
01:10:35.520 --> 01:10:39.680
apologizing to Paul and saying that she didn't deserve him.

1228
01:10:41.039 --> 01:10:44.359
So the turmoil in the household was very obvious, But

1229
01:10:44.920 --> 01:10:47.399
was this enough to think that Paul would want to

1230
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:50.079
kill Lauren. Clearly the marriage is going south, but did

1231
01:10:50.119 --> 01:10:53.159
he want to kill her? So when Paul was first

1232
01:10:53.199 --> 01:10:55.600
asked if he and Lauren had ever gotten physical in

1233
01:10:55.640 --> 01:10:59.560
their arguments, he told them no. However, he did say

1234
01:10:59.560 --> 01:11:02.720
that Laura Baren would push and that she would throw

1235
01:11:02.800 --> 01:11:06.039
things at him when they were arguing, but it didn't

1236
01:11:06.079 --> 01:11:11.560
get real physical and again, Natalie and the kids verified

1237
01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:17.279
that that that was true. Well, insert Audie again, because

1238
01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:21.479
she had even more insight into Lauren's thoughts and feelings

1239
01:11:21.840 --> 01:11:24.359
leading up to her murder. And I'm going to say allegedly,

1240
01:11:24.399 --> 01:11:27.199
because we don't know right Lauren's dead. This is what

1241
01:11:27.239 --> 01:11:33.079
Audie said. Lauren had confided in Audie that this was

1242
01:11:33.159 --> 01:11:37.600
nothing new. She told Audi that Paul had been beating

1243
01:11:37.640 --> 01:11:43.800
her for ten years. That's a huge claim, guys. That's

1244
01:11:43.880 --> 01:11:48.159
a long time to allegedly have been suffering at the

1245
01:11:48.199 --> 01:11:52.119
hands of someone else. It seemed like the up and

1246
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:57.479
down roller coaster of yelling and fighting and apologies might

1247
01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:00.720
have been more of a method of survival on Lawlauren's side.

1248
01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:03.720
Then it was like real legitimate apologies and all of

1249
01:12:03.720 --> 01:12:07.720
that if what Audie was saying was true. And I

1250
01:12:07.800 --> 01:12:11.960
say this because police went and spoke to the neighbors

1251
01:12:12.680 --> 01:12:16.880
that live right next to Paul in Lauren's home, and

1252
01:12:17.039 --> 01:12:20.079
those neighbors told police of an instance that had somewhat

1253
01:12:20.119 --> 01:12:23.640
alarmed them. The neighbor said that one time they had

1254
01:12:23.680 --> 01:12:29.000
overheard Paul yelling at Lauren and they could see inside

1255
01:12:29.039 --> 01:12:31.279
the house from their house, like there was a big

1256
01:12:31.279 --> 01:12:33.640
window and they could see into it, and Paul was

1257
01:12:33.920 --> 01:12:38.520
yelling at Lauren. But what kind of freaked him out

1258
01:12:38.560 --> 01:12:40.960
even more was that Lauren was sitting on like a

1259
01:12:41.000 --> 01:12:42.760
fold up couch. I don't know if it's like one

1260
01:12:42.800 --> 01:12:44.960
of those couches that folds out into a bed or

1261
01:12:44.960 --> 01:12:49.039
something like that, but it folds into the chair and

1262
01:12:49.079 --> 01:12:51.840
she was sitting on it, and he then jumped on her,

1263
01:12:51.880 --> 01:12:54.279
and they said he was trying to crush her and

1264
01:12:54.399 --> 01:12:57.319
fold her into that couch while he was beating on her.

1265
01:12:58.239 --> 01:13:03.359
So this seemed to actually back up Audie's claims that

1266
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:07.359
he had actually physically hit her. She had also told

1267
01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:10.079
friends in the past that Paul had even thrown a

1268
01:13:10.119 --> 01:13:13.760
knife at her. Now, Paul's answer to this was that

1269
01:13:13.880 --> 01:13:16.319
Lauren was making false claims about him because she was

1270
01:13:16.319 --> 01:13:18.880
trying to make Paul look bad because they were about

1271
01:13:18.920 --> 01:13:22.920
to go through a divorce. But here's the thing. Detectives

1272
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:26.239
couldn't stop thinking about that recording of Paul pulling the

1273
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:30.680
knife on that neighbor that he did stab, and in

1274
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.520
that video, at one point he actually threw the knife

1275
01:13:33.920 --> 01:13:37.359
at the man in the video, So it's not like

1276
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:41.079
he's above that type of behavior. Already because he filmed

1277
01:13:41.159 --> 01:13:45.479
himself doing it. So police continued to look into Paul's

1278
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:50.520
phone and found more and more audio recordings and video recordings,

1279
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:57.000
but some of them seemed to go long, okay, and

1280
01:13:57.039 --> 01:13:59.880
he's telling his wife, you know how bad of a

1281
01:14:00.079 --> 01:14:05.600
wife she is, and you know, she's not doing what

1282
01:14:05.640 --> 01:14:07.520
she's supposed to be doing, and she's terrible and she

1283
01:14:07.520 --> 01:14:10.119
doesn't love the family and all of that. But while

1284
01:14:10.159 --> 01:14:11.800
he's telling her how bad of a wife she is,

1285
01:14:11.880 --> 01:14:13.960
and no doubt, I'm not gonna sit her act like

1286
01:14:14.000 --> 01:14:15.520
she was an angel. No doubt she had been making

1287
01:14:15.520 --> 01:14:18.720
poor decisions recently as a married woman. It was what

1288
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:22.880
she said in response to what Paul said that was

1289
01:14:23.000 --> 01:14:28.119
really capturing the attention of police, because Lauren says things like,

1290
01:14:28.439 --> 01:14:31.399
I'm tired of being hit Paul. You know he hits me.

1291
01:14:31.640 --> 01:14:33.399
I feel like a piece of shit for taking this

1292
01:14:33.479 --> 01:14:36.479
so long. She recounted in one video how he had

1293
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:40.000
choked her in the tub. Now, but she's talking to Paul,

1294
01:14:40.960 --> 01:14:44.159
so she says, you were punching me, you beat me

1295
01:14:44.239 --> 01:14:47.520
up when I was pregnant with baby. And here's the

1296
01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:52.239
thing about the videos. Paul never denied it. He was

1297
01:14:52.319 --> 01:14:58.039
so angry during these recordings that he's spewing all of

1298
01:14:58.039 --> 01:15:01.119
this at her, and then she's saying those things back

1299
01:15:01.159 --> 01:15:06.520
to him, but he was so focused on him hating

1300
01:15:06.560 --> 01:15:10.680
on her that he failed to recognize that what she

1301
01:15:10.960 --> 01:15:15.159
was saying back to him. He never denied it, So

1302
01:15:16.279 --> 01:15:19.039
that kind of seems odd, Like if you accuse me

1303
01:15:19.039 --> 01:15:20.439
of beating you up and I didn't, and I'd be like,

1304
01:15:20.479 --> 01:15:22.479
what the hell are you talking about? But he never

1305
01:15:22.800 --> 01:15:26.760
denied any of it, never, So in the massive number

1306
01:15:26.800 --> 01:15:29.840
of recordings, it was just exhausting. I'm not going to

1307
01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:31.800
play him for you all because it's just exhausting and

1308
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:33.880
it gets on your nerves. But exhausting is the word

1309
01:15:34.560 --> 01:15:38.119
when you're listening and watching just a mere portion of them,

1310
01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:42.359
a constant barrage of recordings of him berating her, and

1311
01:15:42.840 --> 01:15:45.840
she's responding to him like, look, dude, you don't even

1312
01:15:46.039 --> 01:15:49.520
you know. I don't think you like me. You hate

1313
01:15:49.520 --> 01:15:51.279
the way that I eat, And she was very specific,

1314
01:15:51.319 --> 01:15:53.560
she said, how my tongue goes out whenever I put

1315
01:15:53.560 --> 01:15:55.800
a fork in my mouth. You hate that, you hate

1316
01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:58.039
how I dress. You make this very clear that you

1317
01:15:58.079 --> 01:16:00.760
don't like me, and I'm tired of it, and Paul

1318
01:16:00.800 --> 01:16:02.840
says in one recording them, why don't you divorce me?

1319
01:16:03.319 --> 01:16:05.760
And there's a pause, and her answer she looks up

1320
01:16:05.960 --> 01:16:09.760
at him and she says, loyalty, Paul, it's loyalty because

1321
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:13.680
I love our kids. She didn't want to make their

1322
01:16:13.720 --> 01:16:19.239
lives affected by their marriage falling apart. She said she

1323
01:16:19.319 --> 01:16:23.760
stayed for loyalty. And these recordings, for me, as an

1324
01:16:23.760 --> 01:16:26.520
outsider looking in, I think gross would be the way

1325
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.640
I would describe it, because Paul was whiny. He always

1326
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:33.119
played the victim. He was recounting any and everything that

1327
01:16:33.159 --> 01:16:36.600
he didn't like about her. And I also noticed that

1328
01:16:36.920 --> 01:16:39.520
she always seemed to be in the bed when he

1329
01:16:39.600 --> 01:16:41.880
was doing this, like she was in the bed just

1330
01:16:41.880 --> 01:16:44.119
trying to be alone in a sleep, and that would

1331
01:16:44.119 --> 01:16:47.720
be his time to go confront her and film her,

1332
01:16:47.760 --> 01:16:50.479
and she would just continuously beg him, just leave me alone,

1333
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:55.119
leave me alone. But other recordings, too, that frustrated me

1334
01:16:55.199 --> 01:16:57.680
was that Paul was often filming this type of stuff

1335
01:16:57.720 --> 01:17:01.960
in front of the kids, and you know, he'd be

1336
01:17:02.000 --> 01:17:04.920
fussing at her some of the videos. She wouldn't even respond.

1337
01:17:04.920 --> 01:17:06.880
You could tell she was just defeated. She was just

1338
01:17:06.960 --> 01:17:10.079
not going to respond, So he would then record himself

1339
01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:12.039
with the kids, telling the kids, isn't it sad that

1340
01:17:12.079 --> 01:17:15.159
mommy doesn't love us anymore? He doesn't want you. She

1341
01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:17.279
doesn't want you any more. Baby. She wants to be

1342
01:17:17.359 --> 01:17:20.279
out with men, not your daddy. She's a drunk who

1343
01:17:20.279 --> 01:17:22.920
doesn't care about anything but herself. Okay, But even if

1344
01:17:22.920 --> 01:17:26.159
that was true, why would you do that to your kids?

1345
01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:30.800
It's just gross, Okay, But that's how Paul was handling this.

1346
01:17:31.199 --> 01:17:36.239
But he was adamant that regardless of that, you know,

1347
01:17:36.560 --> 01:17:39.039
he wanted his wife to come home. He was trying

1348
01:17:39.079 --> 01:17:42.079
to repair their family, and he kept reminding the police, Look,

1349
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:44.359
I don't have a history of wrongdoing. It's not like

1350
01:17:44.359 --> 01:17:47.680
I'm out there gangbanging or anything. Okay. You know, it

1351
01:17:47.720 --> 01:17:50.439
had clearly been a self defense case in that stabbing

1352
01:17:50.439 --> 01:17:53.560
incident that's brought up, but there had been another incident

1353
01:17:53.600 --> 01:17:58.760
recently as well that included another man. So they were

1354
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:03.119
renting out room in their home, Paul and Lauren, and

1355
01:18:03.159 --> 01:18:06.399
they were under the airbnb system however you want me

1356
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:09.119
to call that, And there was a guy that was

1357
01:18:09.159 --> 01:18:12.279
renting a room in their house, and he was there

1358
01:18:12.359 --> 01:18:15.600
talking with Lauren and Paul one night, and he had

1359
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:18.479
like a treasure book, okay, and in that book, like

1360
01:18:18.520 --> 01:18:20.039
there was a story that went along with it that

1361
01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:23.560
supposedly a man had buried a million dollars in a

1362
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:26.319
local bank and the treasure books was going to lead

1363
01:18:26.359 --> 01:18:30.399
him to this money. Well, Lauren had been drinking and

1364
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:32.960
she starts kind of going, oh yeah, well I work

1365
01:18:33.000 --> 01:18:35.079
at a bank, and she pulled out her keys to

1366
01:18:35.079 --> 01:18:37.119
show the man. I got a key to the whole bank.

1367
01:18:37.760 --> 01:18:40.600
And Paul was like, hey, don't do that, Like that's

1368
01:18:40.600 --> 01:18:42.840
not cool. Don't show your keys to a man who's

1369
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:45.720
trying to get into a bank or find buried treasure

1370
01:18:45.800 --> 01:18:48.720
or whatever. Well, Paul said, the man got aggressive, and

1371
01:18:48.800 --> 01:18:52.680
so the man then called the police though, and said

1372
01:18:52.720 --> 01:18:57.079
that Paul had pulled a gun on him. Now it

1373
01:18:57.199 --> 01:18:59.359
was true. Paul said, I did pull a gun on him.

1374
01:18:59.399 --> 01:19:04.000
This strain was in my house, and you know, he's

1375
01:19:04.439 --> 01:19:06.600
kind of getting animated and all this kind of stuff.

1376
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:09.359
My wife's pulling keys out, and he started becoming threatening,

1377
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:12.880
and so I pulled the pistol out. But it was

1378
01:19:12.960 --> 01:19:14.319
just that he needed to get out of my house

1379
01:19:14.439 --> 01:19:16.039
and I don't want you. You know, this is getting

1380
01:19:16.039 --> 01:19:18.600
out of control. Well, the man not only called police,

1381
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:22.520
but he contacted the Airbnb company that oversaw everything, and

1382
01:19:22.600 --> 01:19:28.880
the company canceled Lauren and Paul as Airbn beers. So

1383
01:19:29.359 --> 01:19:31.920
there was also a recording in Paul's phone where he

1384
01:19:32.039 --> 01:19:36.239
had Lauren making a recording where she basically backed Paul

1385
01:19:36.359 --> 01:19:38.319
up and said it was all self defense, that man

1386
01:19:38.399 --> 01:19:41.119
was out of control. Paul never pulled the pistol from

1387
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:42.960
behind his back, He just had it there in case

1388
01:19:43.000 --> 01:19:45.479
the man was crazy and he was a stranger in

1389
01:19:45.560 --> 01:19:50.520
our house. So the loss of this additional income would

1390
01:19:50.560 --> 01:19:53.840
put even more strain on the family, you know. Paul

1391
01:19:54.159 --> 01:19:56.199
continued to complain, you go shopping all the time, but

1392
01:19:56.239 --> 01:19:58.560
you don't buy us anything. You know, you're a fake,

1393
01:19:58.600 --> 01:20:01.319
You're a con. And she just continues to beg him

1394
01:20:01.359 --> 01:20:04.720
to leave her alone. But he continues at that point

1395
01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:08.199
to hammer points that he thinks she's gross, that she

1396
01:20:08.239 --> 01:20:12.279
doesn't bathe enough, and that she's not keeping good hygiene

1397
01:20:12.319 --> 01:20:17.960
care of their children. So all of this behavior aside, Okay,

1398
01:20:17.960 --> 01:20:20.439
it's kind of gross. I think we recognize that none

1399
01:20:20.479 --> 01:20:23.560
of it proved murder. Okay, that's a huge thing that

1400
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:26.479
you have to prove and also Lauren wasn't the only victim.

1401
01:20:26.560 --> 01:20:29.960
We can't forget that there was still Ashley fighting for

1402
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:33.800
her life at the hospital. So the video proved that

1403
01:20:33.840 --> 01:20:37.520
Paul was at the store buying the beer. Kids confirmed

1404
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:40.479
that he was buying the beer. Whenever this was taking place,

1405
01:20:40.560 --> 01:20:43.880
there was no weapon, there was no video, there was

1406
01:20:43.880 --> 01:20:47.119
no smoking gun to tie Paul to the murder. Only

1407
01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:52.039
you know, bad behavior and an unlikable personality. But in

1408
01:20:52.039 --> 01:20:55.960
an instant, this investigation was about to be turned on

1409
01:20:56.079 --> 01:21:00.520
its head. And it all centered around those footprints the snow.

1410
01:21:01.319 --> 01:21:06.199
And guess what it wasn't Paul who left them. Someone

1411
01:21:06.239 --> 01:21:09.640
from the past was now living states away, but was

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headed back into town and just this person's presence would

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change everything. In next week's conclusion, someone will get the

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surprise of a lifetime when a simple hug around the

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neck sends a sorry killer's ass straight to prison.