Nov. 25, 2025

The Disappearance of Jacque Rawson

The Disappearance of Jacque Rawson
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Season 9

In this episode KJ tells the story of Jacque Rawson's tragic disappearance linked to her abusive husband, Clay Waller.
KJ covers the investigation, Jacque’s children's resilience, and the vital issue of domestic violence.

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kJ here with your bonus episode. I know you've been

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waiting on one, and this one I think is just

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a crazy one. It got my attention, and then as

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together to Saint Genevieve, Missouri, and this is going to

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be back in June of twenty eleven. And this was

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the home of Jackie Rawson. So Jackie was born in

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nineteen seventy one. She was raised in Missouri by her

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I just have to say adorable parents. Their names were

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Stanley and Ruby Rawson, which sounded like something out of

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a of a kid's book to me. I just thought

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it was so cute. But she had three sisters, one

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sadly had passed away by the time that this story

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had taken place. Her name was Patricia, but her surviving

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sister was named Cheryl. And I know that she had

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three sisters, but in this story, we're going to really

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focus on one of her sisters, and her name is Cheryl.

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So there was Cheryl and Melissa, and then they also

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had a brother named Rob. They were a really tight

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knit family, and so much so that this is one

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of those families that it's genuine. If you would see

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photos on Facebook or if you saw this family together,

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it wasn't just for show for other people. This family

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absolutely encompassed what it is to be a loving family,

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spending time together and devoting being devoting to each other.

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So Papaul Stanley, that's what I like the calling Papaul

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Stanley was just the cutest dang thing and the type

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of man that you just you want to hug him.

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He spoke with intention, he loved his kids with all

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of his heart, but eventually he would become a paupa.

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And that's why I call him Papa Stanley. Even though

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all of his kids were nearly grown. He still looked

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at them as his babies. They could have been seventy five,

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those were still going to be his babies. But Cheryl

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had gotten married and she had started a family of

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her own. So at that time as this happened, Cheryl

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was older. She and Jackie weren't as close as they

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had been earlier on in life. This big life change

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put a little bit of a gap between them, not

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because of anger or frustration or anything, just because they

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were on just they were in different places in life.

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The age gap between them was big enough too that

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that in and of itself made a divide, because Cheryl

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was now this married woman, while Jackie was really still

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a teen herself. But as the years passed, Jackie would

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blossom into an adult. And when I say blossom, I'm

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talking about she was beautiful, and she was a go getter,

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and she was active, and she would eventually find a

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love of her own. Her new love's name was Clay,

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and the real relationship was one that was admittedly confusing

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for her family. Clay just did not seem like a

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good fit to them. And this would be in the South,

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where I would say the proverbial bless his heart. Okay,

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bless his heart moment coming in and that's what we do.

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By the way, if you don't know when, like, I'm

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about to be super honest, but I'm going to church

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it up a little bit because i don't want to

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be mean, but I'm about to say whatever the hell

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I want, so, like, you know, an example would be like,

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bless his heart. His teeth are so fucked up he

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could eat you know, corn through barbar fence. You know,

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that's kind of like what a bless her heart is

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or bless her heart and she a hope. But we're

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praying for all right, so well, bless his heart. Clay

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was an asshole with a speech impediment, and he came

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off as awkward and he just was very different compared

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to Jackie, who had this very easy going spirit, while

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Clay seemed a little more I guess uptight in the

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way that he interacted with people. And Papa Stanley did

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not like him from the get go. Her sister Cheryl

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was also less than impressed. But we know this, You

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cannot pick who your family members love. You don't get

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to choose that for them, So you can have your opinion.

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But Cheryl asked Jackie one day, you know, what is

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it about Clay that you like? What are you attracted

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to about him? And Jackie explaining, Look, it started off

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that I kind of felt sorry for him, but it

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just grew into more as I got to know him,

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and I just kind of, you know, fell for him.

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I just I think he's cute. So why don't you

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give him some time? You'll warm up to him. Just

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let him warm up and you'll see. So Cheryl did

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what sisters do, all right, whatever, But she looked at

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her sister and thought the world of Jackie. Jackie was

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absolutely naturally a beauty, and whether she was in a

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baseball cap or whether she was dulled up, I want

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you to know she had a light about her that

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was just genuine and kind. And she was one of

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those people. Oh I hate to say it. I'm not

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gonna say she lit up a room. I won't say.

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What else can I say? She was one of those

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people that you were just naturally a try and you

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wanted to talk to because of the essence that she

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gave off. And she was a cute little thing too, y'all,

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blonde hair, blue eyes, she stood a whole wopping five

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foot two and one hundred and thirty pounds. So Clay,

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in my opinion, hit the jackpot, and he would be

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hard pressed to say he didn't know it because Clay,

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let me tell you about him, he's not an ugly man.

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I'm not even gonna pretend that he's not ugly. But

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he's just not near as attractive as Jackie was. He

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has real thin lips, he has a real narrow face,

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he's on the thinner side, and he did have a

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shaved head. This seems to be just due to that

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natural receding hair as men get older. But he's nothing

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out of the ordinary and literally nice in a baseball cap.

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But it was his personality that people just were sometimes

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put off by, and they just would play nice for

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Jackie's sake whenever he was around. Well, not long after

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they were dating came the big news that would solidify

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their relationship for sure, because Jackie was pregnant and the

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one you're pregnant, what do you want to do? So

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she would get married and they made that official in

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nineteen ninety three, and this would also make Jackie an

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instant bonus mom, and that she gained a step son

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named jac Well The happy times kept on coming too,

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and it would be soon multiplied by three, not because

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they had more kids back to back, but because Jackie

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wasn't having one baby, or was she having two babies.

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Jackie was pregnant with triplets. And I'm like, holy shit, Batman,

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whenever I found this out. Three babies incoming on a

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brand new marriage isn't something that I personally would want.

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But what are you gonna do? You're pregnant and now

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there's three. But Jackie, she was built for this, even

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if she didn't know it. In the moment that she

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found out that there were three heart beats, she was

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meant for it. She had just excitement and she had

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joy that she was bringing all of these kids into

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the world. She would have two girls and one boy

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that were eventually born to them nine months later. The

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family gazed at these children in absolute amazement, at their

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tiny little faces. There was baby Avery, Baby Addison, and

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baby Maddox, and they were everything that Clay and Jackie

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could have wanted, and quite literally more. They just had

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an abundance of love and coming home with them, as

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you can imagine, that was a task in and of itself.

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Three car seats three times, the feedings, three times, the

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diaper changes. And I think that you would agree with

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me in that I feel only a superhero could do this.

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I am convinced, but we all know that superheroes aren't

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real and that's why God made a mom. So the

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experience of pregnancy and birth would play a crucial role

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in the bond between sisters. Because Cheryl and Jackie were

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now in the throes of commonality in their lives, they

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became very close with that bond of motherhood which they

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knew existed, but it just hits different when it actually

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comes to life. Cheryl was older, she had experience that

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she could impart on her younger sister, and then the

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two could also confide in one another, and it was

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something that only women, I feel close women have the

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ability to share with one another the struggles, the joys,

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the ups and the downs, because quite frankly, women don't

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talk openly about how damn bad your nipples hurt the

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first time you're breastfeeding a baby, and the pain of

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the CEA section when you're getting up hourly to feed

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a child, not to mention she now has three, and

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I know that that had to be emotionally taxing as

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well as physically taxing. And this is something that Cheryl

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could help ease the mental load with. She could be

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a soundboard for her sister that had a closeness that

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they could get it all out there, no judgment because

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it's your sister. And even if she does get judgy,

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it's your sister and she's not gonna leave you. Now.

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I know you're like, well, Clay could do that too, sure, y'all.

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But as soon as his nipples hurt and he got

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up every hour, I'm sure that he could do that

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for her, but he didn't. He took a more hands

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off approach to being a dad, focusing more on work.

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Cheryl understood the fought the fight because she had done it,

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and these sisters just became extremely tight. So Clay was

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at one point a deputy sheriff in Jackson, Missouri. He

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did that for about a year, but it just wasn't

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a good fit, and eventually he became a manager at

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an insurance firm and he would hold the children, of

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course and do the things like that, but really that

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nightly routine was up to Jackie. That was considered her job.

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And I have to tell y'all, it's triplets. I mean, damn,

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one baby is enough to make you crazy, but triplets.

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She would be up all night taking care of the triplets.

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Yet I want you to know she also herself would

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work a forty hour work week after her maternity was up.

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That what a woman. That's all I can say. What

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a woman. And I have a friend that I worked

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with for years and she had triplets, and we spoke

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often about how hard that was. I was really amazed,

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and so I'd ask her a lot of questions. I'm

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not gonna say her name, but I would ask her

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a lot of questions about how do you do that?

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Like what in the world? And she looked me at

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one time. She's a very a meek and mild woman.

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She looked at me one time she said, you just

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do it. You have no choice. It's like Nike, man,

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you just do it, you know. And I was amazed

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by that. And it's kind of like, you're right, you

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just do it. But y'all so much more than just

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do it like she did that damn thing. Three screaming kids,

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three birthdays, three Christmases, everything times three. So Jackie would

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have three squalling kids in the car and her sister

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would be just like overstimulated, stressed to the max. Yet

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Jackie handled it with such grace and just a lot

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of laughter. Maybe she was laughing to not cry, but

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she got it done. She was completely outnumbered, and the

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crying absolutely would get out of control, but she embraced

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the suck, as they say, I guess in the militaries

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where I've heard that, but they just she embraced the

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suck and she handled it. And while I'm taking the

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time to really give Jackie or high five on this,

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it's not without the fact that she had a sprinkle

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of resentment to how hard this was. Because at first

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she could really chalk it up to the fact that

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they didn't quite know what they were doing, you know,

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and with time they would kind of balance things out

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in her mind. But Jackie found herself pouring so much

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into the kids that she was drifting apart from Clay

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because at some point they got settled in, but she

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was pulling the majority of the load. But it wasn't

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without cause, per se, that she spent a lot of

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time with her sister at that point. It was because

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Cheryl helped her. She listened, and she loved Jackie in

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a way that Clay was kind of slack alackin if

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you want to be just honest it. But soon enough

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it would make sense as to why, because it's really

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really hard to devote your time and your energy to

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your wife and y'all's triplets when you're out having affairs

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with other women, numerous affairs. So Clay did have a

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charm in some way because other women were taking him

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up on his advances. So Jackie wasn't an idiot. She

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knew that this was happening, and she finally confronted him

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about it, but he would do what he did. It

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was just deny, deny, deny. But Jackie knew better. In

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her gut, she knew what was what, and this caused

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turmoil in the household, and Jackie finally confided in her

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sister that Clay was also being abusive to her, and

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not just emotionally. The mental games were absolutely exhausting and

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she wanted out of the marriage. She knew, though, that

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she had to be smart. With Clay's imposing nature and

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his propensity for what she would say, he would threaten me.

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Jackie wanted to do things slowly and safely, and so

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in her mind. This meant, look, I'm going to play

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the game. I'm gonna be nice as long as the

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end result is I get this divorce from Clay. And

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then came what I guess I would only call a

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blessing in disguise, if you know what I mean. Clay

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ended up losing his job, so that sounds terrible, but

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unable to make their mortgage payments, the house was foreclosed

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on and they had to move out. So Jackie and

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Clay at this point could see the writing on the

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wall as far as their marriage was concerned, and so

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the home loss really kind of became a game for

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both of them. When they packed up that house, they

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each agreed that they were going to get their own place.

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So Jackie took the kids and she moved in with

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her sister Cheryl and her husband Bob. Clay moved into

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a rental home. It was about an hour away from

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where the kids were, and this was a friend of

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his that owned it, and so he rented it to him. So,

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with this big change, Jackie and Clay formally spoke of

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divorce and they began making plans officially. So time would

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pass and the soon to be divorced couple really did

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start going out in their adventures of their now new

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separate lives. Each settled into their own routines, and they

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each even began their own dating adventures, I guess you

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would call it. So they were now both more relaxed

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and the heated days of the past were fading away.

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Finalizing the divorce was all that was left. So Jackie

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was now in a new relationship. And she told her sister,

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I'm telling you, this man hung the moon. His name

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was Rich, and she adored him, and this is one

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of those times it was mutual. She felt like she

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had a partner now rather than a dependent. Rich was

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kind and he was generous, and he brought just as

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much to the table as Jackie did. And she once

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even told her sister, Rich feels like home to me.

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And I know what she meant by that. It's a feeling.

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And if you are in love, if you are happily married,

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you know what it is. It's when you are tired

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at the end of the day and you go home

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and you open the door and that face that greets

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you instantly just melts away the stress of the day.

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Or it's the person, y'all. I'm tough. Okay, I'm big mouthed,

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I'm all of those things. But damn it, we all

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have our days. And I know for a fact, when

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I walk in that back door that that big old

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cuddle bug of mine, I'm gonna crawl right up in

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his lap like I'm two years old, because I'm a

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husband's girl. You know, some people are daddy's girls. I'm

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a husband's girl, and he's gonna make me feel better.

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And that's what it means when someone feels like home.

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I get what she meant by that. Finally, things she

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felt were going the way that they should have from

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the get go. She had three beautiful kids from her

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ex to be, and for that she was very thankful.

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But they were now five years old and they were

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looking forward to kindergarten, and she had her new love.

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Things were finally falling into place, and Clay too had

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a new girlfriend. She took well to the children. She

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would watch them and care for them, just as you

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would expect any dating partner to do, especially when the

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kids are already known to be in the mix. It

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wasn't like she started dating them and didn't know all

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these kids were there. So it was memorial day weekend

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in twenty eleven when the exes would meet up for

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the final signing of the divorce agreement. So, while the

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girls had been with Jackie and Cheryl, her son Maddix

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had spent the night with his dad, Clay. So Jackie

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and Clay made plans that they would meet up together

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at the attorney's office to sign the documents and then

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she would go back to his house to pick up

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their son. So it sounds good, we have a plan.

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The morning of the signing, Jackie told the girls, look,

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mama's going to be back soon. I just gotta go

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get Maddicks. I got to go do some paperwork and

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then I'll be back. And the girls were sad. They

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kind of give her a hard time. Mama, no, stay

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with us, Please don't go. Can we go with you?

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Can we ride with you? All that stuff your kids

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do when they're little, and bringing your kids to your

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divorce finalization isn't something a mom probably would want to

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do with her children. And so her sister Cheryl said, no,

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I'm gonna I'll watch them. It's no big deal. So

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Jackie kissed the girls by and she said, look, I'll

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be back shortly. You'll be good. So, while Jackie was

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driving to Clay's house, she did call her sister and

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they had chit chatted. I'm sure it was a mix

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of joy and bittersweet for the finalization, as well as

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some nervousness, but it was gonna be fine, and Jackie

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was right, was gonna it's fine. It went fine. She

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called Cheryl again when they left the attorney's office. Look,

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I'm gonna be going to Clay's. I'm gonna get my son.

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I'll be back in just a little bit. Well, three

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hours passed and Jackie never made it back home. Now

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she's an adult, of course, but the plan never involved

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a three hour gap before returning to the house. So

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Cheryl started calling Jackie to check in with her. No answer, Well,

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this turned into full force blowing up Jackie's phone because

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Jackie was not going to ignore Cheryl. She knew that,

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especially she's got her kids, She's not gonna ignore me. Well,

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she didn't answer, So Jackie's boyfriend even tried to call

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her and he was unable to get her, and this

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again totally not normal for Jackie to avoid both of them.

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Jackie had even called Rich and told him, look, I'm

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pulling up at Clay's house and when I get done here,

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you know, I'm heading back to the house. And that

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was at four pm. When they hung up that she

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was in Clay's driveway, so they knew that it had

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been three hours. But by eight pm, Cheryl's just beside herself.

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She decided to call Clay himself, like one on one

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to say, is Jackie there? Did Jackie leave time? You

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know exactly what time did she leave because she didn't

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say she was going anywhere else. But frustratingly, Clay wouldn't

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answer the damn phone. But be clear here, there was

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no love lost between these two, and Clay wasn't obligated

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to answer Cheryl's calls by any means, but Cheryl continued

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to call because she couldn't get a hold of her sister.

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So when he wouldn't answer the phone, Cheryl then texted

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him and says, look, if I don't hear She actually

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called him by his name, Clay Waller. If I don't

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hear from my sister in the next ten minutes, I'm

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going to the police. This is ridiculous. You were the

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last person with her. Well. When she sent that text,

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he called right back and said, what is going on?

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What are you talking about? So she explains, well, Clay

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didn't seem convinced that it was that serious of an issue,

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but sister Cheryl was not playing around. See, Clay wasn't

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nearly as alarmed, and so when Cheryl got even angrier

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now that Clay was like, what are you talking about?

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Not a big deal, she almost became irate. So she

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had at some point directly accuses him and says, I

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think you did something to my sister, which he did

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not take too kindly to. Clay was clear that the

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last time he had seen Jackie was at the lawyer's office,

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and then they discussed that they were gonna let Maddox

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stay with Clay a few more days. So you need

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to calm the hell down. But Cheryl didn't believe them.

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She did not believe him. But what was she gonna do.

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I mean, Jackie can make those decisions, it's her son.

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So irritated by Cheryl's accusation, he then cut the conversation short.

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He said, if I see her, I'll give you a call,

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and he hung up the phone. So, seeing that Clay

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really didn't have much to go on, but knowing that

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Jackie would not dodge her calls like this, Cheryl made

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good on her promise about going to the police. She

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took the two daughter triplets that she had and she

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went and brought them to her parents' house. So the

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grandparents said, look, we'll watch them. She told them, I

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think we have a problem. When you watched the girls.

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They said, no problem, and she had it straight to

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the police department, but it would take her an hour

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to get there. So when she arrived, she explained what

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the situation was and she told them directly, I think

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Clay had something to do with it. She was very specific,

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even directly saying, I think he killed my sister. Well,

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I think we can all agree. Off the top, that

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seems like a bit much, okay, like she's just missing

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for three hours here, four hours, But the more she spoke,

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combined with the fact that the divorce literally was confirmed

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that day, police listened even though it had only been

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a couple of hours. And I want to say kudos

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to them for this, because they could have said she's

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an adult, wait and give it twenty four hours, but

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they didn't. They also didn't just make this a missing

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person report. They went after this with more aggression than

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you typically hear. And I think that's amazing, that's awesome.

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That's absolute community policing there to take these complaints seriously.

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So they agreed and said, look, we're going to send

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an officer to go speak to Clay and we'll let

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you know as things progress. And so this guy's name

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this ended up being they did pull the FBI in

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this one as well, and so this guy's name is

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going to be Special Agent Ritter. He was assigned to

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investigate Jackie's disappearance. And when he went and he spoke

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to Clay, the story Clay gave was basically the same.

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He says, Look, we met up at a drug store

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around I guess eleven o'clock ish. We went and we

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had lunch, he said. We split up after we had

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lunch until about three pm. And that's whenever we met

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back up at the attorney's office. So, with more pressure,

470
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I guess to what exactly went on, he said, Okay,

471
00:25:39.279 --> 00:25:42.559
whenever we left the attorney's office, Jackie was supposed to

472
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:45.880
bring me a key because it went to our post office,

473
00:25:45.880 --> 00:25:48.000
our PO box. So she said she would drop the

474
00:25:48.039 --> 00:25:52.519
key at the house. And so but the Sun was

475
00:25:52.559 --> 00:25:54.519
going to stay the night a few more nights, but

476
00:25:55.279 --> 00:25:57.799
she arrived. She did come to the house. He was

477
00:25:57.799 --> 00:25:59.440
more well, and I guess to talk to the agent

478
00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:01.960
because the agent, specially agent wasn't directly saying you killed

479
00:26:01.960 --> 00:26:06.279
somebody or you know whatever. So he said, she brought

480
00:26:06.279 --> 00:26:07.920
the key to the house. I don't know exactly what

481
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:09.880
time it was. I was a little bit later. He said.

482
00:26:09.920 --> 00:26:14.000
We did start talking. It was mainly over a bankruptcy

483
00:26:14.039 --> 00:26:17.440
issue that we were still trying to mitigate. And he

484
00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:21.240
said that discussion got into kind of a heated argument

485
00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:23.880
because we couldn't come to an agreement on it. Jackie

486
00:26:23.920 --> 00:26:27.480
got pissed off. She stormed out the front door. So

487
00:26:27.680 --> 00:26:29.519
he said, well, what did you do then? Where you know?

488
00:26:29.559 --> 00:26:31.920
That's where'd she go? And he said, well, I kind

489
00:26:31.920 --> 00:26:34.839
of realized in that moment, once I calmed down that

490
00:26:34.880 --> 00:26:36.799
this had just gotten out of control. He said, I

491
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:38.680
went outside. She didn't see her in the yard or anything.

492
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.039
I got in my truck and I went driving down

493
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:42.960
the little the road right there I was gonna. I

494
00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:45.319
figured she just was blowing off her steam. I went

495
00:26:45.359 --> 00:26:48.359
to go get her, but I looped around. I went

496
00:26:48.359 --> 00:26:51.279
down the road and came back and she she wasn't there.

497
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.000
So when I came back to the house, by the

498
00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:56.519
time I got back, her car was gone. So she

499
00:26:56.640 --> 00:26:58.000
might I don't know if she was over in the wood.

500
00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:59.640
I don't know what she was doing, but she made

501
00:26:59.640 --> 00:27:01.720
it back to her car and her car was gone. Okay,

502
00:27:02.119 --> 00:27:06.319
it was stupid, And he then got pretty upset at

503
00:27:06.359 --> 00:27:07.680
that point and was like, do you think I should

504
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:08.599
keep trying to call her?

505
00:27:08.599 --> 00:27:08.680
Like?

506
00:27:08.759 --> 00:27:10.599
Is this legit? Do you think I really should keep

507
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:12.240
trying to call her. She's not answering me when I

508
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:14.039
try to get in touch with her, But I mean, hell,

509
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.759
they just literally got divorced. She was not obligated to him,

510
00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:22.759
just like he wasn't obligated to her. And at that

511
00:27:22.799 --> 00:27:24.279
point the cops kind of like, well, I mean, you

512
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:25.960
can do what you want, bro, I can't tell you

513
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:28.799
not the caller, but we're looking for her. So if

514
00:27:28.839 --> 00:27:30.119
you do get a hold of her or she does

515
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.400
answer you, please let us know. He's like, no problem,

516
00:27:32.440 --> 00:27:35.720
I will I feel awful, you know, Please let me

517
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:39.319
know what I can do. So no closer to finding Jackie.

518
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:42.000
Police did put out a bowlob on'll look out for her. Vehicle,

519
00:27:42.039 --> 00:27:45.960
which was a blue hounted pilot as well, as they decided,

520
00:27:46.039 --> 00:27:49.400
this does seem to have some exigent circumstances here, we

521
00:27:49.440 --> 00:27:52.079
need to really stay on this. So they brought together

522
00:27:52.119 --> 00:27:55.839
a group of officers and detectives, and this group they

523
00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:59.359
called the Major Case Squad. These guys were considered to

524
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:01.599
be the best of the best in their agencies and

525
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:05.000
their disciplines, and if she could be located, they would

526
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:06.759
be the ones who could do it. They had the

527
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.839
most skilled, the most time in and all of that. Well,

528
00:28:09.920 --> 00:28:13.039
luck would have it, they ended up locating her car.

529
00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:17.559
It was on I fifty five going northbound, so where

530
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:19.480
they found it, it was pulled over on the side

531
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:22.759
of the interstate comfortably like normally, like if someone were

532
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.960
to pull over, but she was not in the car,

533
00:28:25.559 --> 00:28:30.119
and clearly the cause was very easy to find. She

534
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:32.920
had a flat tire and this is common this, I mean,

535
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:36.799
it happens. So they're going, well, maybe she got a

536
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:38.960
ride with someone, Maybe someone pulled over to help her

537
00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:40.759
with a flat and then they ended up giving her

538
00:28:40.839 --> 00:28:43.480
a ride. But the problem with that thought frame was

539
00:28:43.480 --> 00:28:46.920
that she had a cell phone, so that wasn't seeming

540
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:49.680
to be what would have happened. She could have Why

541
00:28:49.680 --> 00:28:51.440
would you take the risk with a stranger rather than

542
00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.240
call your sister or shit, I mean, call your ex husband,

543
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.119
if you have to, hell, your boyfriend, call somebody, not

544
00:28:57.599 --> 00:29:01.319
take that risk with a stranger. So the Major K

545
00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:05.200
squad was of the impression that she was more likely

546
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:08.279
kidnapped or something of that nature after she got the

547
00:29:08.279 --> 00:29:11.279
flat on the side of the road. So the vehicle,

548
00:29:11.480 --> 00:29:13.960
you can imagine, was now a potential crime scene and

549
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:17.640
the only evidence to go on. So police decided to

550
00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:20.119
tow her vehicle back to the station to do a

551
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:24.079
better look at it visually as well as forensically. So

552
00:29:24.359 --> 00:29:27.079
they're thinking, as we all know, because we're true crime fans,

553
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:29.640
but maybe there was some trace evidence that could further

554
00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:32.440
unlock an explanation about what happened or where she went.

555
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:36.200
But another agency was also brought in at this time.

556
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.319
This would be the Missouri Highway Patrol and they were

557
00:29:39.319 --> 00:29:42.000
the ones that really came in and took a close

558
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.799
look at the vehicle with them. Specifically, they focused on

559
00:29:45.839 --> 00:29:49.519
her flat tire and something stood out to the inspector

560
00:29:49.640 --> 00:29:52.640
as he looked at the vehicle initially, So a rim

561
00:29:52.839 --> 00:29:56.599
is obviously designed to be protected by the tire. It's

562
00:29:56.640 --> 00:29:59.119
never meant to make actual contact with the road's surface.

563
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.880
So when you a flat and then it's ridden, even

564
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:06.400
just for a little bit over to the side to

565
00:30:06.440 --> 00:30:10.720
pull over, you commonly see somewhere on the rim. I mean,

566
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:13.279
the rim can bend, it can warp, it can crack,

567
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:15.599
just because of that added stress and just the impact

568
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.720
from driving, especially if you're at higher rates of speed

569
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:21.680
like an interstate and then you pull over to those

570
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:25.039
rough surfaces. It happened on an interstate, So what was

571
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:27.119
odd to that inspector off the top was that the

572
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.799
rim was in perfect condition. There were no crack, scratches,

573
00:30:30.839 --> 00:30:34.039
nothing of that nature. So they take the tire itself

574
00:30:34.759 --> 00:30:37.200
and look at it very closely, and it would explain

575
00:30:37.279 --> 00:30:41.240
why the rim was in perfect condition. It's because the

576
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:43.880
tire had not been punctured by a nail or just

577
00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:46.799
a blowout or something like that. The tire had been cut.

578
00:30:47.880 --> 00:30:50.079
It looked as though the car had come to a

579
00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:54.000
stop with a full tire and then it was cut

580
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:57.599
with a knife. So the scene at this point, they felt,

581
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:01.119
was a stage scene where the vehicle was found well

582
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:04.680
with no known enemies to mention nor any further indication

583
00:31:04.759 --> 00:31:08.359
of a kidnapping or any random act of violence. They're

584
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.799
gonna go back to the last person who was with

585
00:31:10.839 --> 00:31:14.519
her or who saw her, and Clay was admittedly that person,

586
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:16.279
and he had even told him that they were in

587
00:31:16.319 --> 00:31:20.519
an argument. So police returned to his home and they asked,

588
00:31:20.599 --> 00:31:21.799
do you mind if we just come in and we

589
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:25.200
look around, just to clear you and make sure that

590
00:31:25.240 --> 00:31:28.920
there's no nothing that might could help us with this,

591
00:31:29.039 --> 00:31:30.920
And he says, give me just a second, and he

592
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:34.319
walked back in the house. Well, when he went back

593
00:31:34.359 --> 00:31:37.079
in the house, he grabbed his phone, and that's whenever

594
00:31:37.799 --> 00:31:42.240
he called his attorney. And look, I'm not trying to

595
00:31:42.240 --> 00:31:45.359
be judgy here, but where's my damn gavel? Because why

596
00:31:45.359 --> 00:31:47.880
the hell you got an attorney on demand after you

597
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:51.200
just divorced someone less than twenty four hours ago, and

598
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:56.480
then that said X wife now goes missing. That seems

599
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:02.079
weird to me, but I'm not going to judge regardless.

600
00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:05.160
After being on the phone with that attorney, Clay told

601
00:32:05.200 --> 00:32:07.680
the police, know, my attorney said not to let you

602
00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:09.799
come in. I don't want to give you permission for this.

603
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:11.720
I'm sorry, but you're just gonna have to have a

604
00:32:11.759 --> 00:32:14.160
warrant to come in my house. And the police were like,

605
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:17.599
all right, bet So by that afternoon they had obtained

606
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.119
one as well, as I told you that the FBI

607
00:32:20.240 --> 00:32:23.400
came in to assist in this search for Jackie. So

608
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.640
with that warrant, they went back and they took possession

609
00:32:26.640 --> 00:32:29.279
of Clay's truck, and they brought that truck back to

610
00:32:29.319 --> 00:32:32.119
the station for processing as well. And when they opened

611
00:32:32.160 --> 00:32:37.440
the doors just to start, it was blatantly obvious that

612
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:41.440
there was blood on the interior handle of the door

613
00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:44.599
on the driver's side. And this was like a lot

614
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:52.160
of blood, very visible, strangely obvious and visible if you're

615
00:32:52.240 --> 00:32:55.400
used to any crime scene you ever look at. And

616
00:32:55.559 --> 00:32:59.759
something honestly that like one would have expected to at

617
00:32:59.839 --> 00:33:02.480
lead some to have been attempted to have been cleaned up,

618
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:05.319
considering the police had already been by the house earlier.

619
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:07.359
If there was blood all over your truck, you would

620
00:33:07.359 --> 00:33:09.119
think you would have tried to at least clean it up,

621
00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:13.279
But there it was. So the blood was swabbed and

622
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:17.279
it was sent to the lab for processing. Meanwhile, Clay's

623
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:20.880
house was being searched, and nothing in the home seemed

624
00:33:20.920 --> 00:33:24.640
obviously a miss. It wasn't necessarily the tidiest home that

625
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.119
I had ever seen, but it was like nothing obviously

626
00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:29.839
broken or disheveled, or there's no broken sheet rock or

627
00:33:29.839 --> 00:33:32.079
anything that looked like there had been a fight. In

628
00:33:32.119 --> 00:33:35.279
the hallway you walk down it, there was children's play mats,

629
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:38.680
there were toys. It just gives that vibe of a

630
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:41.640
single man who has three kids and the mess to

631
00:33:41.720 --> 00:33:45.240
prove it. But on June sixth, so this is a

632
00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:48.799
few days later, they did a second search of Clay's house,

633
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:54.039
and upon further inspection they realized something. When they were

634
00:33:54.039 --> 00:33:56.680
looking at the hallway where those kids play mats were

635
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:00.599
in the hallway, they picked them up, and that's when

636
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.319
they noticed that there was a missing patch of carpet

637
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.559
underneath them. And I know, right now, we're all jumping

638
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:09.280
up there it is there, it is, But hang on now,

639
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:12.519
remember this was a rental and it could have been

640
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.039
that way when he moved in. So you can't just

641
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:20.000
jump to these conclusions. So the police didn't until shortly

642
00:34:20.039 --> 00:34:24.440
thereafter the homeowner confirmed to them that carpet did actually

643
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.480
used to be right there, and in fact was missing

644
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:29.440
from the time that they gave the home over to

645
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:34.000
Clay for his use, but ultimately there was no Jackie

646
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:37.239
found in the home, so they brought in CSI to

647
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:39.639
come do their thing assess if there was any blood

648
00:34:39.719 --> 00:34:42.079
that wasn't readily seen by the naked eye, or any

649
00:34:42.119 --> 00:34:46.159
fluids or anything of that nature. So the police were

650
00:34:46.199 --> 00:34:50.440
still looking for Jackie in other places too that they

651
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.440
thought maybe she would be This is kind of sad,

652
00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:55.840
but they looked at the local ponds right there. There

653
00:34:55.880 --> 00:34:58.679
was two ponds real close by to the house. They

654
00:34:58.760 --> 00:35:02.519
sent divers to go dive for her. Nothing, and days

655
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:06.119
just continued to pass. There was seriously no sign of

656
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.960
Jackie anywhere. But she would never have left her children ever.

657
00:35:11.039 --> 00:35:12.599
And I know we hear this all the time in

658
00:35:12.639 --> 00:35:15.519
true crime, but I believe someone when they tell me

659
00:35:15.559 --> 00:35:18.599
someone would never leave their children, I believe them just

660
00:35:18.639 --> 00:35:20.599
as much as when someone tells me, man, she never

661
00:35:20.639 --> 00:35:23.280
took care of her kids. Ever. I tend to believe

662
00:35:23.320 --> 00:35:26.039
that there's truth to that. People don't just throw those

663
00:35:26.039 --> 00:35:30.199
accusations out willy nilly unless they have a vendetta against somebody.

664
00:35:30.599 --> 00:35:33.000
But everyone said Jackie would have never left her children.

665
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.119
This also is not someone who would have avoided phone

666
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:40.920
calls from their family, especially not for days and something

667
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:44.639
they thought happened to her. So as the hours and

668
00:35:44.719 --> 00:35:47.920
the days passed, this was looking more and more grim.

669
00:35:48.119 --> 00:35:50.480
So the blood samples that were sent off to the

670
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.599
crime lab came back and when detectives read the report,

671
00:35:53.639 --> 00:35:58.400
they were genuinely surprised by this. It was not human blood. Zero,

672
00:35:58.800 --> 00:36:01.400
it was not. Matter of fact, they were able to

673
00:36:01.440 --> 00:36:05.840
pinpoint this blood specifically, it was fish blood of a

674
00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:09.639
big head carp There's no doubt this was not blood

675
00:36:09.800 --> 00:36:16.000
from a human. Even stranger was that police took possession

676
00:36:16.039 --> 00:36:18.440
of Clay's phone to go through it to see what

677
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:22.519
they could find, and they found videos in that phone.

678
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.960
Clay took them of himself spreading the blood in his truck.

679
00:36:28.239 --> 00:36:32.159
So this is strange, no doubt, but why he did

680
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:37.079
it was even stranger. Get this, He filmed himself and

681
00:36:37.159 --> 00:36:40.679
he did it intentionally using his cell phone, and he

682
00:36:40.800 --> 00:36:43.519
was narrating it as he did it, and in the

683
00:36:43.639 --> 00:36:47.079
video he was talking about I'm spreading fish blood on

684
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:49.760
my truck because I'm going to catch these shady ass

685
00:36:49.800 --> 00:36:53.519
police who are trying to pin something on me with

686
00:36:53.719 --> 00:36:56.000
my ex wife's disappearance, but I'm gonna get them because

687
00:36:56.000 --> 00:37:00.440
this is obviously fish blood. So people are fucking weirdsometimes. Okay,

688
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.320
we all know it, and he is people, Clayes people.

689
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:06.239
But he was trying to set up the police. But

690
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.519
they were honest, they were legit. They admitted, Okay, it's

691
00:37:10.519 --> 00:37:14.639
not Jackie's blood, it's fish blood. So anyway, that's moving

692
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:19.039
on here. He also had called Jackie four days after

693
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:22.000
she went missing, and he left her a voicemail. He

694
00:37:22.159 --> 00:37:27.039
was clearly upset in this voicemail. He was borderline crying,

695
00:37:27.199 --> 00:37:30.800
call us back, where are you. He was also interviewed

696
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:33.840
by the media in those same days that they're searching,

697
00:37:34.039 --> 00:37:37.079
and he expressed to them how sad this whole situation

698
00:37:37.360 --> 00:37:39.639
was and he wanted it to be resolved soon. He

699
00:37:39.719 --> 00:37:42.519
missed his kids, he wanted to find Jackie. He wanted

700
00:37:42.519 --> 00:37:46.039
this to be fixed, whatever it was, He wanted it

701
00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:50.800
to come to a conclusion, and all of this would

702
00:37:50.800 --> 00:37:57.079
be under intense scrutiny whenever CSI alerted that they actually

703
00:37:57.119 --> 00:38:01.800
did find some blood spatter in that of Clay's home,

704
00:38:02.599 --> 00:38:07.639
and I'm talking lots of very small specs of blood

705
00:38:07.920 --> 00:38:10.119
and I'm gonna put pictures on Patreon for you. You

706
00:38:10.159 --> 00:38:11.719
know this, so you can go check it out. I

707
00:38:11.719 --> 00:38:15.039
got a lot of photos for you. So when they

708
00:38:15.039 --> 00:38:17.920
find this blood and it's positive for Jackie, now we're

709
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:20.119
kind of like in a rot row situation. Now you've

710
00:38:20.119 --> 00:38:22.960
got some explaining to do. So Clay was brought in

711
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:26.920
for an additional interview, and basically the blood in the hallway,

712
00:38:27.400 --> 00:38:30.159
he explained, was the result of an accident in the

713
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:34.280
kitchen and it was not a big deal. So that

714
00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:37.239
blood was swabbed and it was sent off to the

715
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:41.519
lab to verify one hundred percent that it was Jackie's blood.

716
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:47.480
So Clay's home had a basement which detectives would scour

717
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.280
in this search, but they did not find anything. So

718
00:38:51.320 --> 00:38:55.320
they're standing back in a group kind of addressing the situation,

719
00:38:56.239 --> 00:38:59.760
the lack of evidence, and that this is just bizarre.

720
00:39:00.840 --> 00:39:05.400
So as they're standing back, a detective noticed in the lighting,

721
00:39:05.599 --> 00:39:08.280
just the way that the light hit, that there was

722
00:39:08.320 --> 00:39:11.440
a layer of dust on the basement floor. Because it's

723
00:39:11.440 --> 00:39:14.760
a basement, it's not mopped or anything, but the way

724
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:17.880
the light hit, he could tell that there was a

725
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:23.440
disturbed path in the dust and that path led to

726
00:39:23.519 --> 00:39:28.199
an opening to a crawl space under the house. Now,

727
00:39:28.239 --> 00:39:30.920
don't get too excited again. Quit jumping. I know you

728
00:39:31.039 --> 00:39:34.559
quit playing with me. I know you quit jumping. You're

729
00:39:34.599 --> 00:39:39.039
going all right. You're thinking what I was thinking, And

730
00:39:39.079 --> 00:39:41.440
I was thinking what the detectives were thinking. And they

731
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:44.679
were thinking that Jackie was in that crawl space. If

732
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:46.599
I'm lying, I'm dying right now. You know you were

733
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:49.599
thinking that. So they suit it up and a detective

734
00:39:49.719 --> 00:39:53.079
crawled into this very compact crawl space under the house

735
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:56.880
and there was nothing right there in the entryway, but

736
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.360
he kept crawling. He continued to crawl under nderneath this house.

737
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:05.159
But what he really came to the conclusion of was

738
00:40:05.199 --> 00:40:07.920
to hide her body in this location would have been

739
00:40:07.960 --> 00:40:14.000
an insane undertaking, no pun intended. This was not an

740
00:40:14.039 --> 00:40:17.599
easy place to maneuver alone. Nonetheless, if you had a

741
00:40:17.639 --> 00:40:20.159
body and you were trying to get underneath this house

742
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:24.000
and pull someone with you, I'm talking flat and narrow

743
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:29.599
space with not a lot of movement area, but a

744
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:33.440
lot of movement forward and up and over things like

745
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:38.000
piping and just it was a huge undertaking, and just

746
00:40:38.039 --> 00:40:42.239
trust me on that. But the detective kept crawling and looking,

747
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:45.920
but nobody was found or smelled or anything like that,

748
00:40:46.840 --> 00:40:52.079
but something was recovered of immense potential value. They found

749
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:56.400
a rolled piece of carpet tucked between the joists, but

750
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:01.199
it was way far back in the house, so the

751
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:04.519
carpet piece was brought out of the cross space, and

752
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.599
when they opened it up they did see some staining

753
00:41:07.719 --> 00:41:10.920
on the underside of it in a few spots, so

754
00:41:11.039 --> 00:41:13.800
this was sampled and yet again was also sent off

755
00:41:13.840 --> 00:41:16.760
to the crime lab for testing. But now began the

756
00:41:16.800 --> 00:41:21.079
waiting game. Believing now that Clay was way more involved

757
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.639
in this than he said, police decided to get exact

758
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:29.320
locations and times of Jackie and Clay's whereabouts together that

759
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:32.000
he said that they had in that last day that

760
00:41:32.039 --> 00:41:35.360
she was seen, and this included that drug store and

761
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.039
an ATM that he had mentioned that she stopped by,

762
00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.679
because if this was true and he was telling the truth,

763
00:41:40.960 --> 00:41:44.559
there would be video evidence at some point of them together,

764
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:49.559
and sure as shit, against what I would have believed,

765
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:53.480
the surveillance video at the drug store did in fact

766
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:58.559
show Jackie with Clay, very unexpected. The police really didn't

767
00:41:58.840 --> 00:42:01.480
believe that they would find it, and Jackie looked good.

768
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:05.599
She was fitted in this fitted white, cute little tea.

769
00:42:05.679 --> 00:42:07.639
It's tucked in. She's got on her jeans, some cute

770
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:11.480
little wedges on. When they meet up and she comes

771
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.840
into frame at the pharmacy area, He's seated in a

772
00:42:14.840 --> 00:42:16.880
waiting area. He's got on his khaki short it's a

773
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:20.360
gray T shirt. Very casual and calm. He even smiled

774
00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:23.360
whenever she walked up. And it was around eleven am

775
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:26.679
that all of this was caught on camera. Two hours later,

776
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:30.599
she was seen at an ATM. It's on surveillance camera

777
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:34.320
the video of her getting cash, which later on would

778
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:38.599
be realized she was getting cash for Clay. He needed

779
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:42.480
some cash, and that ATM video was the very last

780
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:46.280
video of her ever, but it did back up what

781
00:42:46.360 --> 00:42:51.440
Clay was saying. This is where another stop that Clay

782
00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:55.480
made later in the day would become interesting to investigators.

783
00:42:55.679 --> 00:43:00.159
It was nothing crazy, but later on Clay went to

784
00:43:00.199 --> 00:43:02.920
a toy store. This was a few hours after Jackie

785
00:43:02.960 --> 00:43:06.760
was last seen, and what caught investigator's attention was that

786
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:09.679
Clay was in different clothing. He was now in a

787
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:13.519
white T shirt, an orange baseball cap, and blue jeans.

788
00:43:13.800 --> 00:43:18.280
But people change clothes. That's not crazy, they do. But

789
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:20.199
I will tell you it was eye catching because the

790
00:43:20.239 --> 00:43:22.519
damn hat was so neon. It was like a hunting

791
00:43:23.199 --> 00:43:27.079
orange hat, you know, the color was Why was he

792
00:43:27.119 --> 00:43:29.320
at the toy store though they wanted to know, Well,

793
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:31.719
he had pulled up to meet his girlfriend who was

794
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:36.960
watching Maddox, just like he said, and Clay and Jackie's son,

795
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:38.880
just as he had also said, was going to stay

796
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.719
with him a few more days. And Maddox got in

797
00:43:41.719 --> 00:43:45.320
the car with his dad. So I'm not sure at

798
00:43:45.320 --> 00:43:50.000
this point in the story or in this investigation, if

799
00:43:50.079 --> 00:43:52.760
Clay's regular truck vehicle the one that had the cart

800
00:43:52.760 --> 00:43:54.559
blood on it. I'm not sure if that had been

801
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:56.440
returned to him or not by police, and I wasn't

802
00:43:56.480 --> 00:43:59.800
really able to verify that. But either way, I will

803
00:43:59.800 --> 00:44:02.039
tell you that Clay was in a different vehicle at

804
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:04.920
this point in time. He was now in a small

805
00:44:05.039 --> 00:44:07.480
white truck. It looked like a little Nissan or something.

806
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:11.360
It had a bed on it, It had a few

807
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:13.239
things in it. There was like this gray trash can

808
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:15.519
and some other little junk or whatever. But it was

809
00:44:15.559 --> 00:44:19.079
what he was towing that really got their attention, because

810
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:22.280
he was towing a small boat. Here we would call

811
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:24.599
it like a john boat or a Bette or whatever.

812
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:28.480
But it's a small aluminum boat and it's got a

813
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:32.119
little eight horsepower Johnson motor on the back. So what

814
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:34.280
they did was they kind of followed him through town

815
00:44:34.920 --> 00:44:39.199
on security cameras and surveillance, and they found that he

816
00:44:39.280 --> 00:44:42.920
took that boat to a car wash later that very

817
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:46.199
same night. When he got out, he's using four h

818
00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:50.519
nine cleaner and he's meticulously cleaning this boat. It was

819
00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:53.800
not just a spray down for fish guts, like he

820
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.639
really cleaned it. And hey, I'll be the first to

821
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.280
tell you, after we go fishing, we go clean the boat.

822
00:44:59.320 --> 00:45:01.920
That's fishing one. I grew up like that. You go,

823
00:45:02.320 --> 00:45:04.440
you spray off the boat, you get all the guts

824
00:45:04.480 --> 00:45:06.400
out of it so it doesn't dry on the deck

825
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.159
and make your boat a mess and all that kind

826
00:45:09.199 --> 00:45:12.199
of stuff. That's just what you do. But the attention

827
00:45:12.360 --> 00:45:16.559
to detail had investigators wondering why he was being so

828
00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:21.320
careful when he was cleaning, because the boat wasn't overly gross,

829
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:26.920
it just was look normal. So on a hunch, the

830
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:30.119
boat was released. A picture of the boat was released

831
00:45:30.119 --> 00:45:33.320
to the media to see had anyone seen anything in

832
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:37.039
the local area concerning a boat like this one. And

833
00:45:37.159 --> 00:45:42.320
as you just crowdsourcing is amazing. People are amazing. The

834
00:45:42.320 --> 00:45:44.679
things that you see on the daily that just seems

835
00:45:44.719 --> 00:45:48.559
so unimportant sometimes are the very thing that are all

836
00:45:49.000 --> 00:45:51.960
the importance. And this would prove it because a man

837
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:56.159
and a woman called in onto the hotline and said, yeah,

838
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.159
they both said they saw a very similar boat on

839
00:45:59.199 --> 00:46:03.440
the Mississippi that day and they said it was floating

840
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:06.639
next to a remote area that had the sandbar, and

841
00:46:06.679 --> 00:46:10.599
it was known as Devil's Island. So police do what

842
00:46:10.599 --> 00:46:13.239
they you think they're gonna do. They load up and

843
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.519
they get a bunch of searchers. They had canines, they

844
00:46:16.519 --> 00:46:19.400
had everything, and they went out to that island to

845
00:46:19.480 --> 00:46:23.079
go search and see if they could find Jackie. They

846
00:46:23.119 --> 00:46:28.360
were convinced that Clay was involved, but we all know

847
00:46:28.440 --> 00:46:31.599
the old adage, no body, no case. And guess what

848
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:38.119
they found nothing, absolutely nothing. So over the next few

849
00:46:38.159 --> 00:46:42.840
weeks they put a tracker on Clay's truck because they

850
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.880
wanted to see what was he doing. Now, they didn't

851
00:46:45.920 --> 00:46:48.880
say this, but I'm gonna say this. Oftentimes people who

852
00:46:48.920 --> 00:46:53.039
do things to other people will go do drive bys.

853
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.480
They'll go and I don't mean like mow them down,

854
00:46:55.559 --> 00:46:58.079
Papa ba. I mean they'll go drive by if they've

855
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.400
buried a body, or they'll go close to it area

856
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:02.719
to see if anyone's there, or if there's any type

857
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.119
of disturbance or if someone might find something. So what

858
00:47:06.199 --> 00:47:10.119
they found was that Clay was going to these random

859
00:47:10.239 --> 00:47:14.480
places and parking and he would stay there for long

860
00:47:14.559 --> 00:47:17.960
periods of time before he would leave. So when they

861
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:21.039
would see that place he would stay, police would then

862
00:47:21.159 --> 00:47:24.000
go and they would go search those areas, but they

863
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:29.199
would find nothing. And that's when they realized Clay was

864
00:47:29.280 --> 00:47:32.760
messing with them. Clay was literally fucking with them. He

865
00:47:32.880 --> 00:47:35.719
thought it was amusing the way they realized it was

866
00:47:35.760 --> 00:47:39.519
because one they didn't find anything, but two, Clay would

867
00:47:39.559 --> 00:47:43.119
then show up at those areas later on while they

868
00:47:43.119 --> 00:47:46.800
were there and hank his horn, being like too too,

869
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.199
like I see you, I see you following me, and

870
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:51.960
then he would flip them off when he drove by,

871
00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:55.519
super brazen, super butt holy in of him, if that's

872
00:47:55.559 --> 00:47:58.559
even a word. But some people are jerks, and I

873
00:47:58.599 --> 00:48:01.119
guess he was feeling targeted, and so he wanted to

874
00:48:01.159 --> 00:48:05.239
let him know quit fucking with me, I see you. Well,

875
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:08.679
the courts were not amused by this when all of

876
00:48:08.679 --> 00:48:11.360
this started going into the court system. As far as

877
00:48:11.400 --> 00:48:14.519
the kids are concerned, the courts did not think that

878
00:48:14.559 --> 00:48:17.280
he was playing very well, and they ended up awarding

879
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:21.760
custody of the kids to Jackie's sister, Cheryl. And that

880
00:48:21.800 --> 00:48:25.400
should tell you something. The bio dad is not giving

881
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:29.840
custody over the sister of the kids. They didn't think

882
00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:32.760
that this was cool. And again, mad kudos to the

883
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.800
court here because even if they show up, even if

884
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.920
they end up being wrong, the kid's best interests based

885
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:42.199
on Clay's behavior, was put first and that's the way

886
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:47.679
it should go. Well, when that happened, Clay got pissed,

887
00:48:48.320 --> 00:48:51.880
I mean pissed, and he took to the internet to

888
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:55.719
voice this. Now, mind you, Cheryl already believed he had

889
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:59.119
killed her sister. She had told multiple people this and

890
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:04.280
so on Joel Uly twenty sixth, She was horrified when

891
00:49:04.320 --> 00:49:07.079
she received a call from a friend of hers who

892
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:09.639
was like, Cheryl, look, I'm really scared for your safety.

893
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.480
And Cheryl said, what do you mean, why what's going on?

894
00:49:13.400 --> 00:49:15.599
And that's when that friend told her, look, Clay wrote

895
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:18.599
some stuff online and it's kind of alarming. I mean,

896
00:49:18.639 --> 00:49:22.400
he's saying that he's gonna hurt you. So she jumps

897
00:49:22.400 --> 00:49:24.880
online to go look at it, and her heart dropped

898
00:49:25.320 --> 00:49:28.719
because the threat appeared as a post on a very

899
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.920
website dedicated to following the developments of her sister's disappearance,

900
00:49:33.519 --> 00:49:36.400
and the threat was found underneath a discussion that was

901
00:49:36.519 --> 00:49:39.480
entitled police search for missing Jackson woman. And this is

902
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.280
a direct quote of what was written by Clay. It says,

903
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:47.519
you are dead. I promise if those kids get hurt.

904
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:55.320
Your fault, accident, nobody's fault. You're dead. Your dad wanted

905
00:49:55.360 --> 00:49:59.519
to threaten Clay. I know he's all talk, but I'll

906
00:49:59.559 --> 00:50:03.239
get you five, ten, twenty five years from now. You

907
00:50:03.360 --> 00:50:06.400
have it coming. So while the statement in and of

908
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:08.679
itself didn't directly say I am Clay and I am

909
00:50:08.760 --> 00:50:12.239
saying this, Cheryl immediately called the police to say, look,

910
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:14.800
you know, I just have a this is HEILM. There's

911
00:50:14.840 --> 00:50:16.880
no one else that would write that to me. So

912
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:19.280
they decided, you know, let's look into this. You're right,

913
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:21.239
you can't be threatening people like that, and they were

914
00:50:21.280 --> 00:50:25.559
able to find that that threat originated from a computer

915
00:50:25.760 --> 00:50:28.480
located in what was called the Plaza Pawn which was

916
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:32.800
a pawn shop in Cape Girardo, Missouri. So they executed

917
00:50:32.800 --> 00:50:36.239
a search warrant and sure enough got to that computer,

918
00:50:36.440 --> 00:50:39.519
and they searched that computer. They combined the search of

919
00:50:39.599 --> 00:50:44.039
the computer with the surveillance, the surveillance cameras in Plaza Pond,

920
00:50:44.360 --> 00:50:46.880
and they did in fact verify Clay was there and

921
00:50:46.920 --> 00:50:49.599
he was the sole operator of that computer at the

922
00:50:49.679 --> 00:50:52.679
time that the threat was posted. So while he thought

923
00:50:52.719 --> 00:50:55.239
he was being a little covert badass, he really had

924
00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.960
just fucked up big time. This became a federal crime,

925
00:50:59.880 --> 00:51:04.440
a federal crime. So four months after Jackie disappeared, he

926
00:51:04.519 --> 00:51:08.039
was arrested and he was charged with the federal charge

927
00:51:08.400 --> 00:51:12.960
of threatening the sister's life. So he was indicted for

928
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:17.280
knowingly transmitting via the Internet a communication containing a threat

929
00:51:17.320 --> 00:51:20.079
to injure or kill. So he knew he was cooked.

930
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:22.360
He knew it. So he pled guilty to the federal

931
00:51:22.440 --> 00:51:25.639
charges and they gave him five years for it. Now

932
00:51:25.679 --> 00:51:29.760
that said, it's exciting. Good he's behind bars. But Jackie

933
00:51:29.960 --> 00:51:32.800
still had not been seen or heard from by her sister,

934
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.719
who was still adamant Clay did something to her. But

935
00:51:36.800 --> 00:51:39.199
the police. Their hands are tied. We don't have any

936
00:51:39.239 --> 00:51:41.559
proof of this. It sounds and it's kind of like

937
00:51:41.920 --> 00:51:43.760
we will leave you, but we have to prove it.

938
00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:48.079
And Clay, on the other hand, still maintained I did

939
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:51.679
not do anything to Jackie, and he really professed I

940
00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.360
am like literally being victimized here. He said, this is

941
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:59.840
not right. I'm being unfairly jacked around. And he said,

942
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.840
I even have an idea of who probably did this,

943
00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:09.079
did something to Jackie, and he even named names. So

944
00:52:09.199 --> 00:52:11.559
investigators ask, all right, well, if someone did something to

945
00:52:11.719 --> 00:52:13.679
or you believe that, who is it? And he gave

946
00:52:13.760 --> 00:52:17.280
up the name of a man named Gary. And Gary

947
00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.599
was a guy that they both knew, and Clay said,

948
00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:24.440
I am afraid of Gary Stead. It's fucking scary. So

949
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.519
you're doing all this to me, why don't you go

950
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:28.960
check these other people? He said, I even think I

951
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:32.280
can prove it. But there was an issue with that

952
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:36.679
because police had already ruled that out. Clay doesn't know

953
00:52:36.719 --> 00:52:39.079
everything that they're doing. They had already ruled this guy out,

954
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:42.519
and so they knew that that was a lie and

955
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:45.320
that Clay was just trying to turn attention away from himself.

956
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.679
But Clay would not budge. He maintained his innocence and

957
00:52:49.719 --> 00:52:53.760
he said, this is ridiculous. Okay, sure the threat, I'm cooked,

958
00:52:54.039 --> 00:52:58.920
but leave me the hell alone. So the stained samples

959
00:52:58.960 --> 00:53:01.679
from the carpet hidden in the crawl space of Clay's

960
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:06.079
home did eventually come back and were confirmed positive for

961
00:53:06.239 --> 00:53:10.599
Jackie's blood bingo. She had been in that house and

962
00:53:10.719 --> 00:53:13.039
was a source of bleeding, and so they were going

963
00:53:13.079 --> 00:53:17.119
to interrogate Clay again, so Special Agent Ritter interviewed him

964
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.280
with more direct and pointed questions, starting with where was

965
00:53:21.280 --> 00:53:24.280
your son when Jackie came over that day? Wasn't she

966
00:53:24.320 --> 00:53:27.000
supposed to pick him up? And Clay said no, he

967
00:53:27.119 --> 00:53:30.239
was with my girlfriend when Jackie came by, and neither

968
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.400
my son nor my girlfriend were at the house when

969
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:37.320
Jackie came. So when asked if Jackie had been injured

970
00:53:37.320 --> 00:53:40.199
in the house, Clay again said, yeah, I told y'all,

971
00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:42.840
but it's not a big deal. All right, we'll explain

972
00:53:42.880 --> 00:53:45.880
it to me. Then, what happened specifically, And he said

973
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.679
that they were both in the kitchen and that he

974
00:53:48.840 --> 00:53:51.320
stood up quickly. He was like bent over at the

975
00:53:51.639 --> 00:53:55.280
at the fridge. He stood up quickly, and Jackie was

976
00:53:55.360 --> 00:53:58.400
walking over towards him to ask him something, and when

977
00:53:58.400 --> 00:54:00.880
he stood up quickly, the back of his head hit

978
00:54:01.199 --> 00:54:04.000
Jackie's nose, and so it made her nose start bleeding.

979
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:07.119
So she put her hands underneath her nose to catch

980
00:54:07.159 --> 00:54:09.920
the blood, and then she went running down. She ran

981
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:11.840
out of the kitchen, she ran down the hall, and

982
00:54:11.880 --> 00:54:15.320
she went to the bathroom to help stop the nosebleed.

983
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:17.639
He said, I followed her, I helped her clean up

984
00:54:17.679 --> 00:54:21.320
the blood. It's not a big deal. You're making this

985
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:24.639
like I've done something and I haven't. But then when

986
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:26.960
he was confronted, okay, well what about this carpet that

987
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:31.400
we found in a crawl space underneath your house, he said, yeah, okay, fine,

988
00:54:31.800 --> 00:54:35.079
I removed the carpet. I reduced its size, I cut

989
00:54:35.079 --> 00:54:37.119
it up, and I put it in the crass space

990
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.639
because I did not want the homeowner that I'm ruining

991
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:43.039
the house from to find it and think that something

992
00:54:43.079 --> 00:54:45.920
wrong had happened in the house. Okay, So I cut

993
00:54:46.159 --> 00:54:48.960
it had blood droplets on it. Look what's happening right now,

994
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:52.119
and so I wanted to get it out of the house. Well,

995
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:55.679
after more talk, Clay, who was in a relationship and

996
00:54:55.719 --> 00:54:57.559
had a girlfriend as well as Jackie, who was in

997
00:54:57.559 --> 00:55:00.800
a relationship and had a boyfriend also, and then admitted

998
00:55:00.800 --> 00:55:05.199
something that he had withheld previously, and he now said, Look,

999
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:07.719
the reason she came back to the house was because

1000
00:55:07.719 --> 00:55:10.039
we were gonna have one final bang, as he put it,

1001
00:55:10.119 --> 00:55:12.280
like one last who rale. We were gonna have sex together.

1002
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:16.199
And that's the reality of why she came there. My

1003
00:55:16.280 --> 00:55:18.440
son wasn't there, my girlfriend wasn't there, and that's what

1004
00:55:18.480 --> 00:55:22.599
we planned to do. So at this point we're asking

1005
00:55:22.599 --> 00:55:25.719
ourselves if I am so she divorced you and then

1006
00:55:25.800 --> 00:55:30.239
slept with you the same day, that's is that really

1007
00:55:30.280 --> 00:55:31.840
like what your argument it is right now? And I

1008
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:33.880
kind of laughed at it, because, dude, if you were

1009
00:55:33.880 --> 00:55:36.719
the last man on Earth, I believe Jackie would have

1010
00:55:36.760 --> 00:55:40.719
made peace with extinction before sleeping with you. And I

1011
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.159
have the receipts to back it up. So here's exhibit

1012
00:55:43.199 --> 00:55:47.119
A of why I think that. Unbeknownst to Clay, Jackie

1013
00:55:47.360 --> 00:55:52.840
had been documenting just how terrible he was, because investigators

1014
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.679
had found a journal on her work computer and they

1015
00:55:55.679 --> 00:55:58.320
were eye opening as to everything that she had been

1016
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:02.360
enduring over the last year, but not vocalizing to many people.

1017
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:04.719
She told a little bit to her sister, but this

1018
00:56:04.920 --> 00:56:08.159
was in her own computer, her own writing, And it

1019
00:56:08.280 --> 00:56:13.639
turned out that Clay had been very verbal about an

1020
00:56:13.719 --> 00:56:17.079
anger that he had with her. So when she initially

1021
00:56:17.119 --> 00:56:21.280
went to her sister's home after their marital home was repossessed,

1022
00:56:21.840 --> 00:56:25.599
he told her these are her words, not mine. You

1023
00:56:25.719 --> 00:56:27.880
think you're safe up there at your sister's, well you're not.

1024
00:56:28.320 --> 00:56:30.039
I'll just wait for you to have to go to

1025
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:32.920
town and I'll get you going to the grocery store.

1026
00:56:33.960 --> 00:56:36.679
And Jackie was afraid of this, y'all. She would not

1027
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:40.599
sit on the couch at her sister's house without the

1028
00:56:40.639 --> 00:56:43.199
curtains being closed because she was so afraid that he

1029
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.519
was gonna snipe her from the woods through the window. Well.

1030
00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:51.320
At first, whenever her sister was hearing this, her Cheryl

1031
00:56:51.400 --> 00:56:53.159
laughed at it. She was like, Clay's a fucking douche.

1032
00:56:53.199 --> 00:56:55.960
He's just running his mouth. Okay, there's probably weren't her words.

1033
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:57.800
She's classier than me, but that's how I would have

1034
00:56:57.800 --> 00:56:59.519
said it if I was her sister. But he's just

1035
00:56:59.559 --> 00:57:03.440
running his mouth. Okay, It's just whatever. He's an idiot.

1036
00:57:03.639 --> 00:57:06.840
But after months of hearing what he was saying, Cheryll

1037
00:57:06.920 --> 00:57:10.679
really kind of was taken issue with it, and she said,

1038
00:57:10.719 --> 00:57:12.119
I think you should go to the police with this,

1039
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:16.039
but Jackie insisted that going to the police was just

1040
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:19.679
gonna make things worse, so she just continued to document

1041
00:57:19.719 --> 00:57:22.159
it so she would have it in her back pocket

1042
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:25.119
if she needed it. So here are some journal entries

1043
00:57:25.159 --> 00:57:29.239
from her computer. On December third, she wrote, I told

1044
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.159
him that I was filing for divorce, and Clay responded

1045
00:57:32.159 --> 00:57:34.199
that he had a feeling one of us would not

1046
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.760
be around to watch our kids grow up. The very

1047
00:57:37.760 --> 00:57:41.440
next day, she wrote, Clay threatened me again. He asked

1048
00:57:41.440 --> 00:57:43.440
why I didn't just take the gun out of my car,

1049
00:57:43.559 --> 00:57:46.119
put it in my mouth and in myself so he

1050
00:57:46.400 --> 00:57:50.320
could raise our kids. On February sixteenth, she wrote, Clay

1051
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:53.719
told me he thought many times over the summer about

1052
00:57:53.760 --> 00:57:56.480
killing himself and our kids so that I could start

1053
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:59.280
my new life. He also said he was afraid that

1054
00:57:59.320 --> 00:58:01.920
we won't see our kids grow up. He stated that

1055
00:58:01.960 --> 00:58:04.800
he was starting to hate me and he will get

1056
00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.000
me someday. There might be a knock on the door,

1057
00:58:08.199 --> 00:58:10.360
and when I opened the door, I'll get blown away.

1058
00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:14.480
On March eighteenth, Clay told me I didn't deserve to live,

1059
00:58:14.519 --> 00:58:16.039
and he wished he had a gun so he could

1060
00:58:16.039 --> 00:58:18.280
blow my head off. That day, he told me that

1061
00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:22.039
a divorce would be my death sentence. March twenty third,

1062
00:58:22.280 --> 00:58:24.800
Clay called me at seven am. He was threatening me

1063
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.119
and yelling at me. I met him at the airport.

1064
00:58:27.400 --> 00:58:30.079
He told me that divorcing him was a death sentence.

1065
00:58:30.239 --> 00:58:32.599
He would get me and if he couldn't get to me,

1066
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:35.199
he will kill our kids. He would take them for

1067
00:58:35.239 --> 00:58:37.639
a week in fishing trip, and then he would personally

1068
00:58:37.679 --> 00:58:40.199
tell me they drowned, just so he could see my face.

1069
00:58:41.519 --> 00:58:44.360
In June, she wrote, Clay was angry and told me

1070
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:47.199
never to keep his kids from him. He ran through

1071
00:58:47.199 --> 00:58:49.199
the garage saying he was gonna get his gun out

1072
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.119
of his truck, but I stopped him before he got it.

1073
00:58:51.320 --> 00:58:53.599
The kids came out to the garage and they went

1074
00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.360
over to him and tried to comfort him. That one

1075
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:57.880
right there really hurt too. I mean, I know the

1076
00:58:57.960 --> 00:58:59.440
rest of these are very scary, but to know that

1077
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.079
those babies were in the middle of all this turmoil

1078
00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:07.320
is just heartbreaking. In July, she wrote in a rage.

1079
00:59:07.360 --> 00:59:09.679
Clay started packing his bags. As he walked out, he

1080
00:59:09.760 --> 00:59:12.000
hit my head against the wall and knocked pictures off.

1081
00:59:12.239 --> 00:59:14.719
I thought he was done packing, so I locked the door.

1082
00:59:14.960 --> 00:59:16.880
He then kicked in the door and told me he

1083
00:59:16.920 --> 00:59:18.440
was going to get his gun so I could blow

1084
00:59:18.480 --> 00:59:20.920
my head off. The kids and I all ran outside.

1085
00:59:21.039 --> 00:59:22.719
He got his gun out of his truck and tried

1086
00:59:22.719 --> 00:59:25.079
to drag me by the hair into the house. I

1087
00:59:25.119 --> 00:59:27.679
got away from him and I was getting ready to

1088
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:29.800
run to a neighbor's house. He took the bullets out

1089
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:31.840
of the gun and then threw it at me. We

1090
00:59:31.920 --> 00:59:34.360
then went inside and talked I still have the gun.

1091
00:59:35.199 --> 00:59:38.679
July seventeenth, Clay took the kids camping. Before they left,

1092
00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:41.360
he had me take a picture. He later told me

1093
00:59:41.400 --> 00:59:43.239
that he had me take that picture because he planned

1094
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.519
to kill them that weekend, because he knows that would

1095
00:59:45.559 --> 00:59:48.320
be the only way to hurt me the most. On

1096
00:59:48.400 --> 00:59:51.039
October twenty seventh, Clay asked me if we were going

1097
00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:52.679
to get back together or not. I told him I

1098
00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:55.519
still had trust issues. He stated that we could get

1099
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:57.639
divorced and he could get along with me, but he

1100
00:59:57.679 --> 01:00:00.000
will not stand for another man in his kid's life.

1101
01:00:00.639 --> 01:00:02.760
I told him that would not be a problem. He

1102
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:04.760
then told me that if I thought in a couple

1103
01:00:04.800 --> 01:00:06.360
of years that I could get a man and think

1104
01:00:06.400 --> 01:00:09.280
everything would be okay, I'm wrong. He said. He would

1105
01:00:09.320 --> 01:00:13.960
kill me, the kids, and himself. I said, so you're saying, so,

1106
01:00:14.000 --> 01:00:16.119
what you're saying is that you would kill all of us,

1107
01:00:16.159 --> 01:00:19.199
and he said yes. So I wanted to give you

1108
01:00:19.239 --> 01:00:22.159
all of those insights to what she was dealing with silently,

1109
01:00:22.599 --> 01:00:27.159
because I think a lot of women are go through

1110
01:00:27.199 --> 01:00:29.760
this and they stay silent because they think that it

1111
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.599
will get better. But this does not seem to be

1112
01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:36.519
getting better. Over that year. But finally, as the divorce

1113
01:00:36.599 --> 01:00:39.239
was now happening, Jackie had gotten to a point that

1114
01:00:39.280 --> 01:00:41.880
she was tired of fighting him. She was just she

1115
01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.079
wanted it over with. And she even had told her

1116
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:47.519
sister that she and her new boyfriend were about to

1117
01:00:47.559 --> 01:00:49.840
move in together. They were planning on making that big step.

1118
01:00:49.880 --> 01:00:52.000
She just trusted in this new boyfriend so much, and

1119
01:00:52.039 --> 01:00:54.039
she knew that this was going to be great. And

1120
01:00:54.159 --> 01:00:57.960
three days before she disappeared, she told her sister that

1121
01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:00.719
she told Clay about it, and she said, and specifically

1122
01:01:00.800 --> 01:01:03.119
to her sister, I just can't do it anymore. If

1123
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:05.559
he's gonna kill me, he's gonna kill me. I can't

1124
01:01:05.559 --> 01:01:08.679
live like that anymore, because that's not living. And that

1125
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.800
was a direct quote from something that her sister had written.

1126
01:01:12.440 --> 01:01:16.800
She was done tiptoeing around Clay and his threats. And

1127
01:01:16.880 --> 01:01:23.239
yet two years would pass without Jackie being found by

1128
01:01:23.239 --> 01:01:26.840
the police. Despite all of their searches over and over

1129
01:01:27.559 --> 01:01:30.320
everywhere they could go, they could not find her. Two

1130
01:01:30.400 --> 01:01:33.000
more years would pass. They did believe by this point

1131
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:36.639
that she was dead, but her body was somewhere unknown. Well,

1132
01:01:36.679 --> 01:01:40.880
the positive blood evidence in the carpet, combined with the

1133
01:01:40.880 --> 01:01:44.440
eventual positive ID for Jackie's blood spatter on the wall

1134
01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:48.519
in the hallway of Clay's home, in conjunction with his

1135
01:01:48.719 --> 01:01:51.880
anger and threats that were pulled from the computer and found,

1136
01:01:52.639 --> 01:01:56.280
those by now had just they determined, this is enough,

1137
01:01:56.320 --> 01:01:58.800
we have enough for us to directly accuse him of

1138
01:01:58.920 --> 01:02:02.800
murdering Jackie. So Clay Waller was charged with the first

1139
01:02:02.800 --> 01:02:07.440
degree murder of Jackie and tampering with evidence. But the

1140
01:02:07.480 --> 01:02:12.000
story is not close to being done. Clay Waller may

1141
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.480
have been charged with that first degree murder, but her

1142
01:02:15.519 --> 01:02:19.159
parents wanted her body and they wanted to bury her.

1143
01:02:19.159 --> 01:02:21.639
They wanted her back, and so they said, we are

1144
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.000
willing to accept a plea deal in exchange for her body.

1145
01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:29.159
So the deal was presented. If Clay pled guilty to

1146
01:02:29.239 --> 01:02:33.800
second degree murder and would lead them to her body,

1147
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:38.679
they would only go after twenty years for her murder. Well,

1148
01:02:39.039 --> 01:02:43.800
he did not accept. He waited right up until the

1149
01:02:43.920 --> 01:02:46.519
trial was about to start, just like in this coburger

1150
01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:51.119
situation with those college kids killed in Idaho. He waited

1151
01:02:51.199 --> 01:02:55.159
until the very last minute, right before the trial was

1152
01:02:55.199 --> 01:02:57.360
going to start, I guess, hoping that something would happen

1153
01:02:57.400 --> 01:02:59.599
and the charges would be dropped. But he accepted the

1154
01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:04.480
plea deal. It was then that he took police right

1155
01:03:04.559 --> 01:03:08.760
back to that original sandbar at Devil's Island that they

1156
01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:12.320
had already searched so many times. But the police were

1157
01:03:12.360 --> 01:03:15.000
not convinced he was telling the truth. They had searched

1158
01:03:15.039 --> 01:03:18.199
it over and over, and then once they got there,

1159
01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:22.440
Clay couldn't pinpoint where her body was. He was in handcuffs,

1160
01:03:22.519 --> 01:03:24.280
he had on his jail suit and all of that,

1161
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:27.159
but he couldn't find her body. He couldn't tell him

1162
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:30.920
where she was. He did say though there basically point

1163
01:03:30.920 --> 01:03:34.679
out this fifty square yard area and he said, I

1164
01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:38.079
know she's buried here somewhere, And they said, okay, well

1165
01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:41.159
you know what did you do? Tell us what happened? Well,

1166
01:03:41.199 --> 01:03:43.079
I buried her and then I covered it with fertilizer

1167
01:03:43.159 --> 01:03:46.800
so that it would it would break down. But they

1168
01:03:46.840 --> 01:03:49.800
weren't finding her. I mean, he said it. But they

1169
01:03:49.840 --> 01:03:53.119
just weren't finding her until an astute detective asked him

1170
01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:56.719
a question. He said, wait a minute, how much fertilizer

1171
01:03:56.760 --> 01:04:00.239
did you put? Because to this detective, if he put

1172
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:03.320
a ton of fertilizer, that would kill vegetation around where

1173
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:06.400
her body was. And he said, I put a lot whatever,

1174
01:04:06.440 --> 01:04:07.880
I don't know what the exact amount was, set up

1175
01:04:07.920 --> 01:04:10.800
a lot. So looking around, the detective step backs and

1176
01:04:10.800 --> 01:04:14.239
he looked around, and sure enough, he saw an area

1177
01:04:14.280 --> 01:04:17.320
where three trees were close together. But one of those

1178
01:04:17.320 --> 01:04:19.679
trees was dead as a doornail, and there was no

1179
01:04:19.800 --> 01:04:22.079
obvious reason as to why the other two on either

1180
01:04:22.119 --> 01:04:26.440
side were fine. So they decided to focus on that area,

1181
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:31.039
and wouldn't you know, right there they found the body

1182
01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:36.159
of Jackie under a pile of logs and debris. When

1183
01:04:36.199 --> 01:04:39.519
they dug up under where that dead tree was. The

1184
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:43.000
first thing that they found was her knee, and she

1185
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:46.320
still was in her blue jeans, although she was now

1186
01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:51.119
a skeleton so it had gotten dark. The following day

1187
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:54.079
they went back and there they hand dug up the

1188
01:04:54.079 --> 01:04:57.679
body of Jackie Waller. She was confirmed to be dead,

1189
01:04:58.199 --> 01:05:01.599
but at least she was recovered. So as part of

1190
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.280
the deal, Clay also had to admit and tell them

1191
01:05:05.599 --> 01:05:08.280
what exactly happened that day, and so they did have

1192
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:12.480
his confession on video, and he set the wheels in

1193
01:05:12.519 --> 01:05:17.480
motion to kill her when they first started talking about divorce,

1194
01:05:17.960 --> 01:05:21.639
that very first talk after they lost the house, and

1195
01:05:21.719 --> 01:05:24.639
he said, if you take those kids, I'm going to

1196
01:05:24.760 --> 01:05:31.760
kill you. This confession was so cold, so flat, and

1197
01:05:31.800 --> 01:05:34.719
he directly said, she asked for a divorce, and I

1198
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:37.960
knew that she was going to die soon. He even

1199
01:05:38.119 --> 01:05:44.280
dug her grave the day before she would die. So

1200
01:05:44.559 --> 01:05:48.280
he lured her to his house with the fact that

1201
01:05:48.360 --> 01:05:51.360
he said Maddox was going to be there, come over

1202
01:05:51.440 --> 01:05:55.320
and pick him up. And he says then in that

1203
01:05:55.360 --> 01:05:59.480
confession that when they went in the house, they decided

1204
01:05:59.559 --> 01:06:01.920
that they were going to have sex that one last time,

1205
01:06:01.960 --> 01:06:05.079
which we can all say is bullshit. We know it's bullshit, whatever,

1206
01:06:05.360 --> 01:06:08.159
but that's what he said. Then he says, that's when

1207
01:06:08.159 --> 01:06:10.559
we got in a fight by accident in the kitchen

1208
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:15.280
and he's stuck too the nose, accidental, hitting her in

1209
01:06:15.360 --> 01:06:18.079
the face with his head and making her nose bleed.

1210
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:22.880
But this is when he adds that she then started

1211
01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:25.960
provoking him, saying that he wasn't gonna get much time

1212
01:06:25.960 --> 01:06:28.440
with their kids whenever people find out that he beats her.

1213
01:06:29.119 --> 01:06:32.440
So he said that made him mad, and that's when

1214
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:35.599
he hit her in the face one time, and then

1215
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:40.559
he pressed his forearm into her neck until she stopped breathing.

1216
01:06:41.159 --> 01:06:43.599
He claimed it was spur of the moment, and that's

1217
01:06:43.639 --> 01:06:45.639
what happened. But that's when the police looked up at

1218
01:06:45.679 --> 01:06:47.079
him and said it was spur of the moment, and

1219
01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:50.119
he said yeah, and they said, you already told us

1220
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:55.360
you dug her grave the day before. In that instant,

1221
01:06:55.920 --> 01:07:00.480
the dumb ass realized, Fuck, he didn't even think about it.

1222
01:07:01.119 --> 01:07:06.280
What an idiot, So he's lying to the plea agreement. Well,

1223
01:07:06.320 --> 01:07:09.800
her autopsy would also come back and prove that he

1224
01:07:09.880 --> 01:07:15.639
was lying, because Jackie's skull had multiple fractures. The fractures

1225
01:07:15.639 --> 01:07:18.559
were to her face area and to the skull, and

1226
01:07:18.599 --> 01:07:20.199
he stood by the fact that he said he only

1227
01:07:20.239 --> 01:07:22.679
hit her once. Ray Charles could see that this guy

1228
01:07:23.039 --> 01:07:25.760
was never at this point going to fully admit responsibility

1229
01:07:25.800 --> 01:07:28.000
for her murder and what he did to her, because

1230
01:07:28.039 --> 01:07:30.800
what he did was he brutalized her. But he would

1231
01:07:30.880 --> 01:07:34.639
never come completely clean. But do you remember when I

1232
01:07:34.719 --> 01:07:38.599
told you that they focused on that little boat whenever

1233
01:07:38.880 --> 01:07:40.960
he was pulling it and he went to the car wash. Well,

1234
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.559
obviously they were correct that he did use that boat

1235
01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.000
to go out there to pre dig her grave. Come back.

1236
01:07:47.079 --> 01:07:49.159
Then he brought her back out in the boat and

1237
01:07:49.239 --> 01:07:51.800
he dumped her in the grave. But this is the kicker.

1238
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:54.320
Do you remember me mentioning that there was a gray

1239
01:07:54.400 --> 01:07:58.239
trash can in the back of the truck. Well, Jackie

1240
01:07:58.280 --> 01:08:03.039
was in it. Use that trash can to transport her body.

1241
01:08:03.719 --> 01:08:05.760
He rode out there with her body and then he

1242
01:08:05.840 --> 01:08:08.840
dumped her in the grave before he buried her. And

1243
01:08:08.880 --> 01:08:11.199
then he did add that he said a few words

1244
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:14.800
for her after her burial, and he said, I just

1245
01:08:14.880 --> 01:08:18.800
told her I just wanted a family. Don't you feel

1246
01:08:18.840 --> 01:08:23.800
sorry for him? Guys? He just wanted a family fuck man.

1247
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:25.439
They should have put a bullet in him right then.

1248
01:08:26.960 --> 01:08:31.479
The triplets, now that all of this was revealed, had

1249
01:08:31.479 --> 01:08:35.279
to be told, Yes, your mom is actually dead, she's

1250
01:08:35.359 --> 01:08:39.000
not coming back, and your dad did it. So you

1251
01:08:39.000 --> 01:08:44.079
can imagine how emotional that must have been for everyone involved.

1252
01:08:44.199 --> 01:08:45.880
You know, at least the kids had hope that maybe

1253
01:08:45.880 --> 01:08:47.760
mom would come back one day, but now it was over.

1254
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:50.920
And not only was it over, but your dad, your

1255
01:08:50.920 --> 01:08:55.720
own dad, was responsible for stripping away the most amazing

1256
01:08:55.880 --> 01:08:59.000
bond that they would ever have in their life. Their mother,

1257
01:08:59.159 --> 01:09:01.960
the woman that grew them, the woman that loved them,

1258
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.960
the woman that stayed up all night feeding and changing

1259
01:09:06.279 --> 01:09:09.760
and doting on them while their dad did nothing for them.

1260
01:09:11.279 --> 01:09:14.560
She hid the fact that he was threatening her, She

1261
01:09:14.720 --> 01:09:17.600
hid the fact from them that he was a horrible

1262
01:09:17.680 --> 01:09:20.680
human being, all to protect their little hearts. And now

1263
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:24.880
the truth came out. They had lost both of their

1264
01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:29.119
parents now in the most tragic and brutal of ways.

1265
01:09:30.359 --> 01:09:35.239
But while his three children were now crying, sobbing for

1266
01:09:35.319 --> 01:09:38.119
the loss of their mother, the realization it would never

1267
01:09:38.279 --> 01:09:42.920
she was never coming back, Clay was busy on the

1268
01:09:42.920 --> 01:09:45.960
phone at the jail, and as you all know those

1269
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.159
calls are recorded. Those calls are recorded at the jail,

1270
01:09:50.039 --> 01:09:54.399
and he showed no remorse for what he had done.

1271
01:09:54.560 --> 01:09:56.000
And I want to tell you exactly what he said,

1272
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:57.600
so you don't have to take my word for it.

1273
01:09:58.279 --> 01:10:00.399
He was on the phone with a family member. It

1274
01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:03.159
was a male family member who said, dude, you've got

1275
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:07.520
to be apologetic. Man, you have to be and Clay's

1276
01:10:07.560 --> 01:10:12.079
exact words a direct quote here, were I'm not I'm

1277
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:14.000
gonna stand up in court and I'm gonna tell them

1278
01:10:14.000 --> 01:10:16.840
all to go fuck themselves. Why should I care what

1279
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:19.640
they're going through if they don't care about what I'm

1280
01:10:19.680 --> 01:10:23.199
going through. And the family member says to him, you're

1281
01:10:23.279 --> 01:10:28.279
not the victim here, Clay, and Clay's response was, it

1282
01:10:28.399 --> 01:10:31.079
happened two years ago. I just want to move on.

1283
01:10:31.359 --> 01:10:35.119
I'm sorry. I'm going to jail. That's it. And in

1284
01:10:35.239 --> 01:10:37.520
regard to serving the time that he was going to

1285
01:10:37.600 --> 01:10:40.439
serve for it, he commented, when I walk out of

1286
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:44.640
them doors, they can do nothing more to me. Because

1287
01:10:44.680 --> 01:10:47.079
remember he took the twenty year plea deal, and he

1288
01:10:47.159 --> 01:10:52.359
was going to walk out wrong. Wrong. You know why

1289
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:55.279
he's wrong because he's too fucking stupid to know he

1290
01:10:55.359 --> 01:10:58.359
doesn't know everything. And guess who knew more than him,

1291
01:10:58.800 --> 01:11:03.680
the prosecutors and the police. Because the area of the

1292
01:11:03.720 --> 01:11:09.119
sandbar where he took her, it crossed the state line.

1293
01:11:09.159 --> 01:11:13.960
The sandbar was in Illinois. He murdered her in Missouri,

1294
01:11:14.239 --> 01:11:17.239
and that, my friends, makes us a violation of the

1295
01:11:17.279 --> 01:11:21.479
Interstate Domestic Violence Act. And that makes that a federal

1296
01:11:21.560 --> 01:11:26.920
charge punishable in federal prison by thirty five years. And

1297
01:11:27.000 --> 01:11:30.760
those thirty five years would take effect after the twenty

1298
01:11:30.840 --> 01:11:36.279
years for the murder conviction of killing Jackie, as well

1299
01:11:36.319 --> 01:11:39.520
as the five years he got on the threat conviction

1300
01:11:39.680 --> 01:11:45.199
for Jackie's sister Cheryl. Got him, got him, And this

1301
01:11:45.319 --> 01:11:47.439
is one of those stories where I almost have to

1302
01:11:47.520 --> 01:11:52.239
just smile. Got him. You thought you played everybody, and

1303
01:11:52.359 --> 01:11:56.800
you got played, sir. I love it. And about those kids,

1304
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:02.560
those kids are us so strong. They were so strong.

1305
01:12:02.600 --> 01:12:06.279
They were little kids, and they had the strongest words

1306
01:12:06.319 --> 01:12:09.119
for him in court. Of course these are in kids' terms,

1307
01:12:09.600 --> 01:12:12.000
but I want you to listen. I want you to

1308
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.680
listen to this piece. That was a recorded statement made

1309
01:12:15.680 --> 01:12:18.600
by Maddox and he recorded it for his dad and

1310
01:12:18.640 --> 01:12:21.680
they played it in court for him. I want you

1311
01:12:21.720 --> 01:12:23.760
to hear this little boy talk to his dad.

1312
01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:30.920
Cute dad, thank you, you'd be crazy you.

1313
01:12:32.600 --> 01:12:35.760
Killed her mind? Be pray kid, you betcher you're a

1314
01:12:35.800 --> 01:12:39.640
big bad Do you know that I love you, my dad?

1315
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.600
I know thinking from my kind of life, we don't

1316
01:12:45.760 --> 01:12:49.840
like you anymore. This is the last thing you'll hear

1317
01:12:49.920 --> 01:12:54.680
of me. Okay, by how do you love that? Guys?

1318
01:12:55.119 --> 01:12:58.199
It's one of those times where that little boy he

1319
01:12:58.479 --> 01:13:02.319
felt it, he meant it, and he was right a

1320
01:13:02.359 --> 01:13:06.039
little fella, and he got it right. One of the triplets,

1321
01:13:06.159 --> 01:13:09.159
Little Avery told her aunt, my dad should stay in

1322
01:13:09.239 --> 01:13:11.279
jail because my mom is going to be dead or

1323
01:13:11.359 --> 01:13:16.119
whole life. And it just what a frickin' knife to

1324
01:13:16.159 --> 01:13:18.720
the heart, you know, But she's right. These kids are right.

1325
01:13:19.520 --> 01:13:22.039
So you're wondering, well, how did Clay react to the

1326
01:13:22.199 --> 01:13:24.520
message from his kids? You know? Was he crying? Did

1327
01:13:24.520 --> 01:13:29.439
he drop his head? Nope? Zero reaction none because this

1328
01:13:29.520 --> 01:13:31.600
wasn't about his kids. He didn't care about his kids.

1329
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.439
He wanted to kill Jackie because he couldn't have her,

1330
01:13:34.600 --> 01:13:38.119
he couldn't own her, and he got what he wanted

1331
01:13:38.159 --> 01:13:42.199
to kill her. That's what he did. When Cheryl got

1332
01:13:42.279 --> 01:13:46.119
up to speak in that victim impact statement about her sister,

1333
01:13:46.279 --> 01:13:49.479
and y'all, it's so passionate, it's so everything you would

1334
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:51.279
hope a sister would say and more. And she never

1335
01:13:51.319 --> 01:13:53.319
broke eye contact with him, even though he wouldn't look

1336
01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:55.800
at her. I'm putting that on Patreon for y'all two

1337
01:13:56.039 --> 01:13:57.680
so y'all can listen to it because I want you to.

1338
01:13:58.079 --> 01:14:02.359
But he never looked at her, He never shed a tear,

1339
01:14:02.600 --> 01:14:04.840
he never even You could have given him a ham

1340
01:14:04.960 --> 01:14:08.119
sandwich and he would have had the same reaction. Nothing. Instead,

1341
01:14:08.359 --> 01:14:10.960
he was handcuffed, He was taken to prison, and he

1342
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.000
decided to spend his time while he was there, at

1343
01:14:13.039 --> 01:14:15.239
first writing a book. If you're wondering what the name

1344
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:16.800
of it is, it's called If you take my Kids,

1345
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:22.000
I'll kill you. What a guy? What a guy. So,

1346
01:14:22.079 --> 01:14:25.159
while Clay continued to rot in prison, I now have

1347
01:14:25.239 --> 01:14:30.600
the privilege of giving you an update, Cheryl and Bob

1348
01:14:31.800 --> 01:14:36.840
raised Jackie's children for her. They adopted them all in

1349
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.039
twenty thirteen. They didn't go to foster care, they didn't

1350
01:14:40.039 --> 01:14:42.600
get split up. Cheryl didn't say I can't do it.

1351
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.720
Cheryl said these are my kids now, and she adopted

1352
01:14:45.760 --> 01:14:50.239
them and she did such a good job. Those kids

1353
01:14:51.199 --> 01:14:55.399
did so well. They remember their mama as kind and

1354
01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:59.000
loving and the caring woman that she was. They were

1355
01:14:59.000 --> 01:15:03.439
only five years old whenever this happened, but because of

1356
01:15:03.479 --> 01:15:06.199
the love of their aunt Cheryl and their uncle Bob,

1357
01:15:06.520 --> 01:15:11.199
those memories will not fade. Why because they have hung

1358
01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:14.239
her photos on the walls in their home. They talk

1359
01:15:14.279 --> 01:15:18.159
about Jackie all the time. They share photos and stories

1360
01:15:18.199 --> 01:15:20.880
about her all the time. They make a point to

1361
01:15:20.960 --> 01:15:25.359
celebrate Jackie's birthday every year with her kids. They have

1362
01:15:25.520 --> 01:15:28.800
made sure that they knew their mama and they will

1363
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:31.760
continue to know their mama and love their mama. And

1364
01:15:31.800 --> 01:15:35.479
in the years since their mother's brutal death, I can

1365
01:15:35.520 --> 01:15:40.119
tell you this, Jackie, my friend, your kids have done

1366
01:15:40.159 --> 01:15:46.239
you nothing but proud. All three of your kids excelled

1367
01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:51.760
in school. They also excelled in sports, mainly tennis. All

1368
01:15:51.960 --> 01:15:57.039
three of your kids graduated Farmington High School, with Addison

1369
01:15:57.079 --> 01:16:01.880
even signing with a college for sports. All three of

1370
01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:07.199
your kids are good kids. Avery is now going to college,

1371
01:16:07.199 --> 01:16:13.359
hoping to get her certifications in dental hygiene. Addison is

1372
01:16:13.399 --> 01:16:16.000
in college wanting to be a data analyst. She loves

1373
01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:20.880
math and Maddox is in college doing pre dentistry and

1374
01:16:20.920 --> 01:16:24.640
he wants to go into orthodonics. I cannot help but

1375
01:16:24.760 --> 01:16:29.000
feel that in the long run, in some way, Jackie

1376
01:16:29.239 --> 01:16:33.039
will have one. Her kids have no communication with their

1377
01:16:33.079 --> 01:16:36.960
biological father, although he's tried. They said no, thank you.

1378
01:16:37.720 --> 01:16:41.279
They don't have time for helm. They're too busy making

1379
01:16:41.319 --> 01:16:44.399
their mama proud, and they're too busy chasing their dreams

1380
01:16:44.680 --> 01:16:49.159
to entertain such a waste of space. All right, y'all,

1381
01:16:49.279 --> 01:16:51.880
that's your bonus. I'm already working on the next one.

1382
01:16:52.159 --> 01:16:53.800
I hope you enjoyed it, and I'll catch y' all

1383
01:16:53.800 --> 01:16:54.279
on the flip