Feb. 17, 2026

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Season 9

On April 17th, 2011 Seath Jackson, a 15 year old, was murdered. The ensuing investigation rocked this community in Florida when his Ex-Girlfriend Amber Wright along with four others were charged with his murder.

Timestamps
08:07 Amber Wright
13:45 The Setting in Summerfield
19:28 The Missing Person Report
20:14 A Disturbing Confession
42:06 The Weight of Guilt
1:01:04 A Love Triangle Emerges 

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's kJ.

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He're back with another episode of Unspeakable. My people in

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the South, have you been partying? Because it is Marty

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gral time down here, and I spent Saturday having the

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time of my life. I know it was Valentine's Day.

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I also know the LSU women's basketball team was taken

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on South Carolina, but my butt was in New Orleans

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catching beads and having a blast. So for the people

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who aren't down here, I feel sorry for you. It's

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a great time. But go look at my Patreon. I've

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posted some pictures on there so you can check it

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out and see what Marty girls like down here. If

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you're interested. And before I start the episode, I've got

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some shout outs. I've got to get him out there.

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And I'm going to West Des Moines, Iowa. And this

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is where Carrie. Now I've never had this last name before.

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I think it's is Brand or Isa Brand. Carrie is

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a brand from Iowa. How are you, Carrie. I'm so

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glad to have you. Thank you so much for joining.

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And then we're gonna jump over to Davenport, Florida, and

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this is where mister Richard Staley is. Hi, Richard, thank

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you for joining. I'm actually gonna be in Florida this episode,

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so you might be familiar with the places that I'm

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talking about. And then McGregor, Texas, Miss Amy, Derek, Hi Amy,

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how are things over there in Texas? And then Norman, Oklahoma,

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Elizabeth Paxton, what is going on? Elizabeth? I hope things

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are wonderful over there in Oklahoma. And then we're gonna

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jump to California where we have new Men, California where

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Melinda Hastings is located. So we have been all over

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how are you, Melinda? From Iowa to Texas to California.

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We're all over the place. But I'm thankful to have

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each and every one of you in my crime family.

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Y'all are making my dreams come true and I'm just

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having the time of my life. So hopefully you're also

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listening in on my Derek Todd Lee series. We've got

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some more epic episodes come in your way. And then

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this episode is gonna be one of my regular ones,

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and we're gonna be in Summerfield, Florida. So I guess

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I'm gonna have to ask Richard to reach out to me.

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Richard is Davenport near Summerfield. I have no idea, so

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maybe you can let me know, but we're going to

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go to Summerfield, Florida. And this is located in the

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upper middle portion of the Panhandle, just to give us

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a little bit of a grasp of where this is,

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and it's an unincorporated community of Marion County. Now the

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county itself, I found out, is the self proclaimed horse

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capital of the world and they have thoroughbred farms all throughout.

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I actually did not know that my aunt breeds horses

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like this, and so I never, I guess, thought about

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Florida breeding a lot of horses over there. But either way,

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outdoorsy people in general, they would love this area. Tons

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of activities and attractions in the great outdoors. I saw

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everything from ziplining over the waterways to touring the lakes

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and glass bottom boats, and it just is an area

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that continues to draw in people from all over year

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after year. But to the locals, and I would say

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that I'm guilty of this too where I'm from. To

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the locals, it's just another day in Florida. They're used

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to this, just like down here, Marty Girl, that's a

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thing that we do. I mean, my niece moved off

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to Texas, and I could not believe how shook us

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I was when they didn't get a Marty Girl break.

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What what do you mean? You don't get a break

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to go party and catch beads? That's crazy. But in Florida,

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the teenagers there, you know that they're not gonna be

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ones to go likely take in all of the beautiful scenery.

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They're probably gonna take it for granted. And how much amazing,

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how many amazing things there are to do to do there.

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The surroundings can be beautiful and one of a kind

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compared to other places around the country. But there were

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two local teens there who were far less focused on

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the scenery and much more laser focused on each other.

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And these kids both happen to be fifteen years old,

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and I think when you're telling a story from the

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perspective of the people that lived it, you have to

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put yourself in their shoes. Remember being fifteen years old,

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you're a coming of age at that point, You're hormones

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are racing, You're interested sexually in the either opposite sex

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at this time. You know, we can say same sex whatever.

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You're just interested in other people and trying to find

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a partner or someone to do life with. And two

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of these kids were Seth Jackson and Amber Wright, and

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they were both from Okala. Now, both of these teams,

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as you can imagine, they were newer to relationships as

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young people are, and they were in more of that

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short term dating world. Although kids will often claim that

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you know they're in a relationship, it'll last a week

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or two, maybe even three, and then they've moved on,

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broken up. It's traumatic, and they've moved on to their

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next love interest. We all know about this. But Seth

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and Amber guys, they felt that they were in a

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long termer here because they had been dating almost three

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whole months. That's right. This is a long term relationship

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for a fifteen year old. Now, Amber, she was your

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typical ninth grader. I would say she had her hair

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dyed a new color every few weeks. She was trying

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her hardest to be edgy and cool and popular. She would,

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you know, often straighten her hair like us curly gals do,

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but her hair was naturally red and curly, and it

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just wasn't. You can tell if you have curly hair,

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I'm telling you right now, you can tell when someone

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straightens their hair and it's not their natural look. Now,

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her upbringing, I'm gonna tell you it left a lot

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to be desired because I personally feel like she was

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allowed to do things that I was never allowed to

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do at that age, nor would I allow my own

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children to do at that age. Things like she already

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had multiple lip piercings, she had her eyebrow pierced, and

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remember she's only fifteen years old, but she also already

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has tattoos. Now, I know, different strokes different folks. I

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have a very very good friend who last week took

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his daughter who is fifteen years old, and they got

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tattoos together, you do you. I'm not judging here. People

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think I'm being mean and judgy. I'm not. I just

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think that we all look at life and at stories

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through the lens of our own perspective, and so that's

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how we judge, and we weigh and we decide what

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is acceptable and what is not. So in her life,

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she was allowed a lot more freedoms than I was

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at that age. She had those tattoos, one for certain,

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she had a bear that was on like her lower

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lower right hip, and she kind of was allowed to

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have way more freedoms than I would think the average

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kid her age would. But all of that aside, she

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still looked like a little girl. She was pale, she

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had freckles all over her face, and with that curly,

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wild red hair. She genuinely reminds me of Meredith from

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that cartoon Brave. Do you remember that movie? She has

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that vibe going on. But she had met her match,

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it seemed in young Seth, because he too lived this

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life a bit on the wild side. And I say

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this because both of the parenting styles of these two

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children seemed to be a bit more permissive than the

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average home. Now you can tell me if you think

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I'm wrong, y'all can write me and let me know

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if I'm way off kilter here. That's my opinion of

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what I saw when I was researching this case. But

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regardless of that, they were very loved kids by their parents,

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and their parents were doing their best to try to

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raise children in what seemed to be lower to lower

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middle class homes. Their relationship together was one of those live,

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fast and free type of relationships. So very early on,

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these younger kids were starting to have sex with one another.

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They were even dabbling in drugs together. Now, my opinion

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of this was the drug of choice here was probably

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going to be marijuana. When I think of young kids

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and them dabbling, that's what my mind goes to. But

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I was pretty surprised to find out that they were

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not just dabbling in weed. I mean, they were also

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trying cocaine, which I felt was an obviously concerning red

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flag for people that young. Now, obviously they weren't just

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running home and being like, hey, mom did a line

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of coke earlier. Okay, they were lying to their parents

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about the times that they were out and they were

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up to no good. But once they were in the

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sight of adults they would rein it in, so they

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would go out and they would do the dumb teenager things.

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Make poor decisions, no doubt, but in front of the

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adults and their parents, they were trying to keep it

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a little more kosher. Now, the area where the kids

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had grown up was one where the families there seemed

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to have grown up generationally in that area, so it

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was a place where the kids could run free, and

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it seemed like everybody kind of knew one another over

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long periods of time, and so it felt like it

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was pretty safe where they were. Now, this is again

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my opinion, but based in research, but there genuinely seemed

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to be a lack of supervision over these kids, and

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as such, they would hang around people older than them,

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with act says to more freedoms than a teen would

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probably need to have. So, for example, I'm not a

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fan of young teens being friendly with people who are

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like older teens but married with their own homes. Hopefully

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you all are well adjusted. And you know why I'm

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saying this, because we know what's gonna happen when young

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teens go off to homes of other younger or older

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teens but still young and they're married at eight seventeen

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and eighteen, and they're put under a roof that they're

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supposed to manage. I mean, they're gonna do things that

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teenagers do and they're not gonna be called out for it.

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Fifteen year olds up in an eighteen year old's house

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are gonna go off into other bedrooms for privacy, and

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then nine months later we're gonna have more babies being

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born to these teens. Okay, I digress, but you'll see

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why I'm saying this. I think it becomes very important

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in this story to recognize that before we dive in,

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that those kinds of things are what we're going on.

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It turns out that there's going to be a whole

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friend group here who I'm going to slowly introduce you

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to throughout the story. And this is going to include

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Amber's older brother, Kyle Hooper. Now, Kyle was just a

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year older than Amber, and they both shared that red

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orange hair and these freckles and a mother, but they

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had different fathers, so they were really half brothers and sister.

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But that was her brother so to speak. So Kyle

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and Seth were friends and the trio would hang out

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together as a group and they would often go and

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hang out together at eighteen year old Charlie e Lely's house. Now,

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Charlie is a female. I just want to make sure

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I'm clear on that so it doesn't get confusing as

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I'm introducing people to this story. So Charlie e Lee

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is a female, and she is eighteen years old at

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the point of the story. There's Seth who's dating Amber.

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They're both fifteen. And then there is Amber's brother Kyle,

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who is sixteen. So there's four players right now that

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I'm trying to introduce you to. And like I mentioned,

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Charlie was older than these other kids by just a

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couple of years, but she had access to her own

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home because she was a very very young, married woman.

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And Charlie's life it had been way less than a

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fairy tale story. She was raised in Maryland by her

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aunt Lisa, who got custody of her when she was

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seven years old. Now, to me, this tells me a

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lot about the family dynamic. Although I did not go

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down the rabbit hole to figure out why she was

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with her aunt at just seven years old, I'm sure

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we can assume that's because there was either a parenting

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issue or something along those lines that someone else needed

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to have custody of her. Well, about a year before

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this story starts to unfold, Charlie had moved to Florida

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in an attempt to reconnect with her biological mother. Again,

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That's why I said her life wasn't you know, exactly

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a bed of roses here because her biological mother didn't

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even raise her. So when she moved to Florida to

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go try to reconnect with her mother, at the same time,

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she found herself lonely, and she found herself searching for love,

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which she turned to the online methods of meeting people.

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And when she got online, she would go and she

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would meet a guy named Joseph Burham or Burham however

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you prefer to pronounce that. Now, long story short, They

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quickly fell in love and Charlie moved to the Summerfield

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area to be with him, and they soon after got married. Now,

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this resulted in them living together in a small trailer

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that was just a few miles down the road from

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Seth's home, and over time they all became friends. Now,

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Charlie's new husband, I'm going to tell you, was not

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exactly a knight in shining armor that was going to

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give her this fairy tale romance, because just very shortly

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into their relationship, he would be sentenced to prison. So

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off goes and this left Charlie at home alone. She

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found herself lonely, and she was also financially struggling in

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a big way. She was struggling to just pay the

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rent on the trailer by herself. So to ward off

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this loneliness, she would invite people to come over and

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to stay with her. And this included these teenagers that

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she befriended in the neighborhood. So, looking back on Charlie's life,

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I'm going to tell you this, she wasn't exactly a

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popular kid in life growing up. And one of the

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biggest hang ups that she found was that she was

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often teased about being legally blind in one of her eyes.

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And it was very obvious that there was an issue

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with one of her eyes. It wanders off to the

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right and you can tell that there is a medical

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issue with that eye. But here now in Florida, she

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felt like she had made good friends because this would

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be evidenced by the fact that there were always teenagers

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at her home. Now they would come and go, they

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would hang out there. As an adult looking at this,

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one would likely argue that they were just hanging out

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there because there was a lack of supervision. But to Amber,

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she felt like these were her friends and that's why

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they wanted to be there. So as the weeks passed,

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Amber and Seth, the two fifteen year olds that are dating,

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their relationship would prove itself to be one of those

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tumultuous ones that's filled with typical fifteen year old bullshit.

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There was jealousy, fighting, sex, drugs, all of the things

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that young people have no clue how to mitigate the

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young in their young age, and so they would do

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the typical be mean to one another, then make up,

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have sex. Things would be fun for a while, and

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then they would break up and just then they would

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try to go on and make each other jealous and

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all of that. Bs. Yes, it was one of those

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dramatic relationships unfolding before everyone's eyes. But Seth really did

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care about Amber, even though they were breaking up and

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it was getting kind of wild, He really did care

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about her so much so that he would even talk

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to his mama about the drama. And this was obviously

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to a limited extent. Because that's his mother and he's fifteen.

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But his mother would then give him some truths that

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kids that age don't want to hear, things like she's

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not going to be the only girlfriend in your lifetime. Son,

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These girls come and go. You're young, there's lots of

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fish out there in the sea. Blah blah blah blah blah.

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Great advice, but Seth didn't want to hear it. No,

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I love her, She's the love of my life. For

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the last three months now. Seth and his mama were close,

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so I don't want to downgrade that or anything. But

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even though he seemed to be a bit wild, both

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of his parents were very invested in his life and

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they loved him dearly. I don't want that to be

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mistaken or misconstrued. There wild, but loved. So Seth was

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known to go out and do his thing, but he

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would always check in with his mama always, and so

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that's why on the evening of April seventeenth of twenty eleven,

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when Seth wasn't returning his mother's calls nor her texts,

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and then he didn't come home, she became extremely alarmed,

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very alarmed, as I think any of us would be.

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No matter what that boy was doing, he would always

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answer his mama. But that evening he was not, So

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she tried to contact him all throughout the night. She texted,

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she called, she tried to locate where he was. She

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did this to no avail. But when the next day

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rolled around and daybreak broke and that boy still had

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not called her back or shown up, the anger that

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she may have felt for him not doing what he

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was supposed to do, and then combined with the fear

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it now had transitioned into complete distress. And so she

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called the Marion County Sheriff's office and she said, look,

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my son is missing. I need help. This is not

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like him. So, due to his age, a missing person's

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report was immediately filed. But while that is the case,

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I'm gonna shoot you straight here. Investigators were kind of

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looking at the totality of circumstances here and the fact

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that he was a bit of a rebellious one, and

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they wondered if this was really a missing person or

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if this was more of a runaway situation where the

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boy didn't want to be under his parents roof and

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ran off to go do whatever. So regardless of whatever

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their thoughts may have been. At that time, the investigators

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dug in and they began their investigation into his whereabouts,

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genuinely assuming that they were going to find him somewhere

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and bring him home. So what they did is what

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we always know that they're going to do. They started

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with his innermost circle and they worked their way out. Now,

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the fact here is that there had been no cell

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phone activity by Seth. That there that's alarming. It's not

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an end all, be all, but that's alarming because kids

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are gonna be on these devices, even if they're not

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talking to their parents, even if they're ignoring their parents,

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because they're doing whatever they want to go do, they're

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gonna be on those devices. So that was a red flag.

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Investigators decided to throw together a list of friends and

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places he would frequent, and they wanted to set out

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and look for these people and speak to these people.

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This is very typical things to do. But all in all,

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Seth was nowhere to be found, Like nowhere poof Gone

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disappeared the day after Seth was reported missing, So a

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whole nother day has gone by. It's been two days now.

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A tip would come in to the police regarding Seth's

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whereabouts or lack thereof, And this tip seemed to be

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a pretty big one. So Seth's girlfriend, Amber, her mother

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is the one that called police with what seemed to

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be a bit of horrifying information. Amber's brother that's also

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her son, right, had told her mom, we got to talk.

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I witnessed something that may explain why nobody can find Seth.

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So obviously police are like, oh my gosh, come down

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here right now. We need to talk to you. This

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could be something that we really need information on. And

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so Amber's mother brought her brother down there to talk

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to police. And his name was Kyle. Now he is

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a miner. I want to let you know that. And

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so his mother stayed in the room and accompanied him

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during this questioning because she already knew the story anyway,

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and she just wanted to be there to help support

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her son. Now, Kyle, let's talk about Kyle. Kyle's a

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bigger kid. Okay, he's a big dude. He's solid. I

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told you he looks like Amber. But I want to

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make sure you know Amber, is this itdybdy petite little thing.

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This boy is solid. He's like two hundred and thirty pounds. Okay,

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he was young, but police would quickly find out that

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he was also somewhat on his own, even though he

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still leaned on his mama a bit. At sixteen years old,

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he was already moved out and he was living with

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that Charlie Eally that I mentioned to you. Now, they

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were not in a sexual relationship. It was a roommate

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type situation. Remember, Charlie was struggling because her husband went

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to prison. She had to pay the rent, so having

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people move in was helpful to her. Now, there was

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also another guy that was living at the house with

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them as well, and they just referred to him as Roach. Y'all,

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I do not like roaches. I know that's not what

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this is. But just the name Roach grosses me out

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to no avail roaches scare me. Tornadoes and roaches, no

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thank you can't do it now. His real name was

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justin Sodo, okay, and he was another roommate of sorts

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in this house. But if I say Roach, that's what

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I'm talking about now. During the questioning that was going on,

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you could tell that Kyle's mother was in distress. Okay,

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she was calm, but she was in distress. She kept

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one hand on his leg, and whenever he would get

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animated or worked up while he was giving up this information,

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you would see her kind of just tap him on

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the leg, almost like calm down, Okay, it's ever so slight,

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but you can see it happening. She was very distressed,

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and I can't imagine being a mother bringing your child

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in to talk to police about what this kid is

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about to tell them. But she did the right thing,

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and I'm grateful that she did that. But what Kyle

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had to say was, at some points it was wild.

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It would become disjointed, and then he would kind of

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just throw out stuff like word vomit, and this detective

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had to work really hard to kind of piece it

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together because this fifteen year or sixteen year old was

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kind of all over the place. But from the jump,

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Kyle told the investigator that not only did he know

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that something had happened to Seth, but he knew who

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did it. So this of course was like, wow, it's

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not usual that easy, right, but there it was, And

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Kyle jumped right in and just started talking just from

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the top. He of course knew Seth because Seth was

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dating his little sister Amber, and there was another friend

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that he mentioned in this story. And this guy's name

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is gonna be Michael. Sometimes he referred to him as Mike,

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but that's the same guy. Now, Mike, let's talk about

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him for a minute. Mike had a warrant out for

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his arrest and Seth Amber's boyfriend was wanting to fight Michael.

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Now at this moment in time, it was rather unclear why,

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but there was beef going on between Seth and this

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guy Michael. But Seth, Seth was adamant, according to Kyle,

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that he wanted to fight Mike. And this was just

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a few days before Seth had gone missing, that he

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was wanting to fight Mike. Now, Seth had come over

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to the house that Charlie ially owned on a bicycle

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at some point, and he said that words were exchanged

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between Seth and Mike. Now, when I say words exchanged,

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I really kind of mean that Seth was outside running

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his mouth, according to Kyle, and Mike was inside of

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the house. Seth was also in a group of other

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teenagers and Kyle was like, I don't know who all

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they were exactly, but I did know Seth and they

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were in essence harassing this guy Mike. And telling him

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to come outside and to fight. But Mike did not

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want to go outside. He did not want to go outside.

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He did not want to fight, Seth. So let me

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tell you a little bit more about Mike so you

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can really grasp what's going on here. Mike or Michael

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is Michael Bargo And from the start, he, I will

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tell you, is a misfit, a misfit at minimum. So

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he was originally from Michigan, but after his parents' divorce,

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he kind of was flip flopping back and forth. He

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lived with his mother and then he made his way

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to Florida, and then at the moment that I'm telling

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you this story, he was staying at Charlie Ely's trailer.

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And he didn't have much of a very good behavioral history.

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And I want to break that down for you. So

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Mike was wild, Okay. He had been thrown out of school,

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out of high school and all that for fighting. He

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had been sent to an alternative school, like a disciplinary school,

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and he did not seem to do much better there.

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And I want to stop and tell you this, as

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a teacher with experience kids that are fighting and acting

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out in a regular school campus, I would probably give

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this number of ninety percent. Ninety percent of the time,

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it is a lack of structure at home that causes

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a lot of these issues in the schools because they

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don't want to follow the rules because they don't follow

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rules at home. But then once you get him into

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these behavioral disciplinary schools where it's a lot tougher and

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where I am locally, the teachers are loving, no doubt,

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but it's more of militaristic and it's more of like

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they dress in military looking clothing and their instructors are

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like drill sergeants nine times out of ten, y'all. When

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they transition there and they realize that structure is a

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good thing, but they have to kind of force it

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into these knuckleheads, they do well, they tend to excel,

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and a lot of these kids that are total behavioral

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issues in regular schools become likable at these other schools

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because the structure is what they need, but they have

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to learn it in a harder manner. So whenever Mike

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transition to these schools, it just didn't take. Man, it

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didn't take. He was not that kid. He hated authority,

471
00:26:47.000 --> 00:26:49.519
and the other problem of that was that he wasn't

472
00:26:49.559 --> 00:26:54.640
afraid of authority either. He's not afraid at all of authority.

473
00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:57.359
He used drugs while he was on campus. He would

474
00:26:57.359 --> 00:27:01.279
not go to class. He was just a high ass mess.

475
00:27:01.440 --> 00:27:03.400
And to be frank with you, he's the kind of

476
00:27:03.480 --> 00:27:06.480
kid that everybody looks at eventually and goes that dude's

477
00:27:06.519 --> 00:27:09.359
gonna end up in prison. Nothing you say or do

478
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:13.559
gets through to this kid. Matter of fact, he had

479
00:27:13.599 --> 00:27:16.440
also spent time in juvie. And I'll tell you he's

480
00:27:16.480 --> 00:27:18.480
not the type of kid most people would want around

481
00:27:18.480 --> 00:27:23.000
their home hanging around their kids. Now. He was very skinny,

482
00:27:23.119 --> 00:27:26.400
little dude. He was the proverbial wanna be thug, but

483
00:27:26.880 --> 00:27:31.240
wanna be had now transitioned into more of a was

484
00:27:31.319 --> 00:27:35.279
a thug. Okay, he had transitioned. He was there. Well,

485
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:39.640
Seth was wanting to fight Mike, but Mike was trying

486
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:42.279
to avoid the fight. He didn't want to fight Seth.

487
00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:46.440
So Seth had at that point, according to Kyle, started

488
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.599
blowing up Amber's phone, his little sister, and was like

489
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:54.720
wanting to talk to her and wanting her to come outside, YadA, YadA, YadA. Well,

490
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.240
at some point he said that Seth came into the

491
00:27:58.279 --> 00:28:03.000
trailer wanting to talk to Amber. Charlie had let him in,

492
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.119
and Charlie didn't realize that there was this beef and

493
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:09.160
all of this stuff going on. Well, realizing that Seth

494
00:28:09.279 --> 00:28:12.119
was now inside of the trailer where Kyle, although sixteen

495
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.160
year old, was still paying rent there, he wasn't having it.

496
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:21.000
Kyle already had beef with Seth himself. Why because Seth

497
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:26.119
and his little sister Amber had recently broken up. Seth

498
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:32.200
broke up with Amber. Now because of all of this drama,

499
00:28:32.640 --> 00:28:35.200
I'm about to just jump in two legs deep, like

500
00:28:35.319 --> 00:28:38.480
Kyle did at this point in the interview. But he says,

501
00:28:38.559 --> 00:28:41.519
at that point they had words. Okay, not only did

502
00:28:41.519 --> 00:28:43.359
they have words, but there was He said it was

503
00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:45.759
a stick, but it was more of like a piece

504
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:48.839
of lumber that had broken off of like a doorcasing. Okay,

505
00:28:49.319 --> 00:28:52.440
but he picked up that piece of doorcasing and he

506
00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:55.440
went over and he just smoked Seth in the head

507
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:57.680
with it. Bow just hit him over the head with it.

508
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:01.759
Seth became dazed by this. He kind of stumbled backwards.

509
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.400
And I don't know if Seth was stumbling back or

510
00:29:05.400 --> 00:29:07.119
if he was more of like trying to get away,

511
00:29:07.400 --> 00:29:11.119
but he went towards the kitchen area of this trailer,

512
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:13.559
which was very close proximity to that living room where

513
00:29:13.599 --> 00:29:16.640
he had just walked in. Now, either way, he was

514
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:20.640
making distance from Kyle. So as Kyle just smoked this

515
00:29:20.759 --> 00:29:23.680
kid over the head, he starts yelling at Seth and says,

516
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:26.319
get the fuck out of my house. Get the fuck

517
00:29:26.359 --> 00:29:28.680
out of my house, and do not come back. He

518
00:29:28.759 --> 00:29:31.920
was the older brother. He was defending his sister against

519
00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:35.680
this other boy that had broken up with his little sister. Now,

520
00:29:35.720 --> 00:29:40.000
as these words are being exchanged, this is where shit

521
00:29:40.079 --> 00:29:45.680
gets crazy, because out of nowhere, out of a side bedroom,

522
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:50.119
Kyle said that Michael Bargo threw the door open and

523
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:55.680
burst into the kitchen. Not only that it was without warning,

524
00:29:56.160 --> 00:30:00.200
and Michael Bargo had a gun on him that he

525
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:05.559
just pulled straight up and not even aware in any way,

526
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.240
shape or form of what the drama was all about,

527
00:30:09.000 --> 00:30:13.240
he didn't ask any questions. Michael raised that gun and

528
00:30:13.319 --> 00:30:18.640
began unloading this pistol into a fifteen year old boy.

529
00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:23.559
Bow bow bow bow Bow, just kept pulling the trigger,

530
00:30:23.839 --> 00:30:28.359
the trigger. So Kyle is in shock at this moment. Sure, yeah,

531
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:30.160
he was wanting to fight Seth. There's no doubt here

532
00:30:30.200 --> 00:30:31.519
he wanted to hit him over the head with the

533
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.960
damn board. That's what the kid wanted to do. The

534
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.200
sixteen year old wanted to hit the fifteen year old.

535
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:41.200
But he just now saw Seth eat eight bullets is

536
00:30:41.240 --> 00:30:44.200
how he thought it was eight bullets right in front

537
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:47.680
of his eyes. He was horrified at this. He like

538
00:30:47.759 --> 00:30:50.720
kind of stumbled back in shock. He couldn't believe what

539
00:30:50.839 --> 00:30:53.000
he had just witnessed, and he did not know what

540
00:30:53.119 --> 00:30:56.400
to do because this was nowhere near what he expected

541
00:30:56.559 --> 00:30:58.960
to happen. In that moment, he almost was like, did

542
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.599
this really just happen? He was in a daze. Fighting

543
00:31:01.759 --> 00:31:05.279
is one thing, but this, when it is all broken down,

544
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:08.640
this just turned into something he was not prepared for.

545
00:31:08.720 --> 00:31:11.279
A sixteen year old boy just saw a fifteen year

546
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:14.039
old boy shot multiple times right in front of him

547
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:18.119
and then collapse. Now in the shock of this all,

548
00:31:18.759 --> 00:31:23.680
his little sister Amber and the homeowner, Charlie. They had

549
00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:27.480
been in I believe Charlie's bedroom at this point, so

550
00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.319
they had come out hearing the gunshots. Think about how

551
00:31:31.359 --> 00:31:34.119
loud that had to be. They came running out. They

552
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.599
did not know what was going on. They see Michael

553
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.480
with the pistol. Holy shit. They turn around and they

554
00:31:41.519 --> 00:31:44.079
go running, scared out of their ever loving minds back

555
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:46.240
into the bedroom and they go back and they lock

556
00:31:46.319 --> 00:31:49.440
the door. Now, in that moment, Kyle did not know

557
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:52.759
what to do. You know, everybody wants to be bad

558
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:56.400
until people start bullets start flying. Okay, So Kyle didn't

559
00:31:56.440 --> 00:31:58.759
know what to do. He's looking at Seth standing there

560
00:31:58.839 --> 00:32:02.039
literally with a i'moking gun, and I cannot I just

561
00:32:02.079 --> 00:32:03.960
keep going back to what I must that have sounded

562
00:32:04.000 --> 00:32:06.279
like inside of a trailer, having bullets go off in

563
00:32:06.359 --> 00:32:10.000
such close close proximity like that, one after the other.

564
00:32:10.359 --> 00:32:13.839
So Kyle just tears out, running through the front door

565
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:16.839
because his mind was racing. He doesn't know what the

566
00:32:16.839 --> 00:32:21.079
hell to do. He sees Michael do this, and he

567
00:32:21.200 --> 00:32:24.720
knew that Michael was known to have a gun on him. Okay,

568
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:28.400
Michael was known to carry a twenty two revolver, which,

569
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.000
as he's telling the story, it makes total sense because

570
00:32:31.000 --> 00:32:33.519
the revolver can hold you know, six eight bullets whatever.

571
00:32:33.880 --> 00:32:36.640
So this is whatever that cylinder had, he seemed to

572
00:32:36.640 --> 00:32:41.079
have unloaded it into this kit. So Kyle goes outside

573
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.559
he's like freaking out, doesn't know what to do. He

574
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.400
starts like trying to calm down, get a grip of himself,

575
00:32:47.720 --> 00:32:49.440
and figure out, my god, my sister is still in

576
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.400
that trailer. I don't know what to do. So after

577
00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.960
he gets calm he goes back up to the door

578
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:59.119
and kind of timidly but efficiently, he opens the door

579
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:02.519
to go back inside of the trailer. But when he

580
00:33:02.599 --> 00:33:05.960
opened the door, things just got worse because he looks

581
00:33:06.000 --> 00:33:09.079
in front of him and he sees Mike now dragging

582
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:16.240
the mortally wounded Seth towards the bathroom. So he's standing

583
00:33:16.279 --> 00:33:19.559
in the doorway deer in the headlights, has never experienced

584
00:33:19.559 --> 00:33:21.640
something like this in his life, doesn't know what to do.

585
00:33:21.720 --> 00:33:25.559
And that's when Michael Bargo kind of started barking orders.

586
00:33:26.000 --> 00:33:29.519
He was waving the gun around wildly. He was yelling,

587
00:33:29.920 --> 00:33:32.160
and he said that if anybody said a fucking word,

588
00:33:32.200 --> 00:33:36.319
they were gonna get shot too. He then yelled out,

589
00:33:36.359 --> 00:33:39.640
and by he, I mean Michael Bargo then yelled out

590
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.279
towards the girls that were in that back bedroom and

591
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:45.240
said you better stay back there. If you come back out,

592
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:49.240
there's gonna be two more bodies in this trailer, So

593
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:52.640
Kyle is going to do basically what he doesn't want

594
00:33:52.640 --> 00:33:55.720
to do, anything to make Michael freak out even more. So.

595
00:33:55.839 --> 00:33:58.160
There was a couch kind of on a back wall

596
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.599
right there in that living room, and he kind of

597
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:03.079
just sat down on the couch and is just keeping

598
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:06.480
his eyes locked on Seth. He didn't know what he

599
00:34:06.519 --> 00:34:08.880
could do or what he couldn't do, but he didn't

600
00:34:08.920 --> 00:34:10.719
want to get shot himself, and he feared that his

601
00:34:10.800 --> 00:34:14.360
sister would get shot too. Now, during this whole episode,

602
00:34:14.480 --> 00:34:18.639
Mike was becoming more and more unhinged. He started yelling

603
00:34:18.639 --> 00:34:21.559
about how he was gonna have eight bodies by the

604
00:34:21.639 --> 00:34:23.880
end of the week, and he started spewing out these

605
00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:28.320
names of girls and people that Kyle wasn't quite sure

606
00:34:28.320 --> 00:34:30.079
of what he was saying, so he was screaming out

607
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.960
names like Tessa and Chris and how he was going

608
00:34:33.039 --> 00:34:35.559
to do something to somebody's dad. But he was all

609
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:39.760
over the place with this rant, and he added to that, look,

610
00:34:39.760 --> 00:34:42.440
I'm already a convicted felon, so what does it matter

611
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:44.599
at this point. A fucking shot this dude. I'm already

612
00:34:44.639 --> 00:34:46.840
fell and I'm going to prison. My life's over. It

613
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:51.360
does not even matter now, this gun claim at this

614
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:55.280
point while they're talking, it does check out because, like

615
00:34:55.320 --> 00:34:58.360
I told you, Kyle's mother was in during this questioning,

616
00:34:58.920 --> 00:35:04.320
and Kyle's mother knew Michael pretty well. So just the

617
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:07.320
day before, if I'm not mistaken, I believe that Mike's

618
00:35:08.079 --> 00:35:13.480
dad had grown up with Amber and Kyle's mom. So

619
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.360
I think they kind of go way back, that generational

620
00:35:15.440 --> 00:35:17.000
thing that I spoke about. Don't quote me on that,

621
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:21.440
but I'm pretty sure that's true now. Just days prior

622
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:26.320
to Seth going missing, Okay, and before her son had

623
00:35:26.360 --> 00:35:29.079
even admitted anything to her that he had seen Seth

624
00:35:29.119 --> 00:35:33.559
shoot and seen Mike shoot Seth, Mike had shown up,

625
00:35:33.599 --> 00:35:35.679
I guess at their house and they were just kind

626
00:35:35.719 --> 00:35:39.800
of talking and Mike asked the mom, Hey, would you

627
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:44.400
still love me if I did something wrong? Now, Mike,

628
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:47.960
he actually called Kyle's mama mom. It was like an

629
00:35:48.039 --> 00:35:51.119
endearing way, and so she's like, well, hey, man, you

630
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:52.920
know what did you do? Why would you ask me that?

631
00:35:53.000 --> 00:35:54.719
And he's like, Mom, just tell me if I did

632
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.280
something wrong, would you still love me? And she's like, well, yeah, man,

633
00:35:58.320 --> 00:36:01.000
I'd love you. But she knew Mike to be knucklehead kid,

634
00:36:02.440 --> 00:36:04.840
and she's like, tell me what's going on here, dude,

635
00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.679
Like what is happening? And that's when Mike had explained

636
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:09.840
to her that there was a guy mad at him

637
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:13.159
because he bought a gun from this guy, but he

638
00:36:13.280 --> 00:36:16.159
never went and had the gun re registered in his

639
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:20.360
own name, Mike and Mike's own name. So she's like, well,

640
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.800
why don't you just go get the gun registered in

641
00:36:21.840 --> 00:36:24.119
your name, dude, And he says, well, I can't because

642
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:29.760
I'm a convicted felon. Now, at that point, one would

643
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:32.079
think you'd say, well, why do you have the gun, dude,

644
00:36:32.159 --> 00:36:33.840
Like you're a felon, you're not supposed to have it.

645
00:36:33.840 --> 00:36:36.599
Felon in possession of a firearm is not allowed. But

646
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:40.440
instead Mom just kind of shrugged it off and she

647
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:42.000
just looked at him was like, dude, you know, why

648
00:36:42.039 --> 00:36:44.199
don't you just do the right thing and quit getting

649
00:36:44.440 --> 00:36:47.719
in the middle of all this chaos, quit making dumb decisions. Again.

650
00:36:48.639 --> 00:36:50.480
I want to express here that I feel like these

651
00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:55.079
parents aren't bad people, but they're just more violent permissive

652
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.559
in their parenting styles, and they overlooked things that the

653
00:36:58.639 --> 00:37:03.320
average parent would not. For example, Mike's dad, the one

654
00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:06.119
that I think grew up with the mom here. His

655
00:37:06.239 --> 00:37:07.679
name was also Mike, so I'm going to refer to

656
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:11.400
him as Mike Senior. Mike Sior knew that his son

657
00:37:11.840 --> 00:37:15.320
had that gun, but he never said anything about it.

658
00:37:15.840 --> 00:37:17.760
So you know, your son's getting in all this trouble,

659
00:37:17.760 --> 00:37:19.880
but you're going to just overlook the fact that he's

660
00:37:19.880 --> 00:37:22.960
carrying around a pistol. I just want you to know this.

661
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:28.320
And Mike's Senior, with his son Mike Junior, both had

662
00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:32.599
lived with the grandmother after his parents' divorce. So the

663
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.159
whole family dynamic here just seems to be a hot

664
00:37:35.199 --> 00:37:39.480
ass mess with low income and poor decision making all around.

665
00:37:40.639 --> 00:37:43.079
So Kyle and Amber's mom just kind of looked at

666
00:37:43.159 --> 00:37:45.800
Mike in that moment, and she's looking at him, thinking,

667
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:47.639
this dude is just ridiculous. You know, this is a

668
00:37:47.719 --> 00:37:51.480
ridiculous teenager. And she wrote it off as him just

669
00:37:51.559 --> 00:37:54.559
trying to look tough and try to get negative attention

670
00:37:54.679 --> 00:37:59.440
basically from her. But that same day, that same day

671
00:37:59.440 --> 00:38:01.519
that they were have that discussion and they were talking

672
00:38:01.559 --> 00:38:04.920
about his gun, he also mentioned to her that he

673
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.280
had burned a bunch of stuff that he needed to

674
00:38:07.280 --> 00:38:09.320
get rid of, but he kept making a big deal

675
00:38:09.360 --> 00:38:12.239
of about all of this burning stuff. Now Mom is

676
00:38:12.320 --> 00:38:17.079
telling the investigator this in the police station. That's why

677
00:38:17.079 --> 00:38:21.239
I'm bringing it all up in this order. And she said, look, dude,

678
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:23.440
you know you keep bringing up all this stuff, but

679
00:38:23.480 --> 00:38:25.400
I don't understand why you're making such a big deal

680
00:38:25.440 --> 00:38:29.039
about burning stuff. And that's when he she asked him,

681
00:38:29.480 --> 00:38:31.440
why are you so freaked out about freaked out about

682
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:33.960
all the stuff that you're burning and he said, oh,

683
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:36.760
I can't tell you that because it's evidence. So she

684
00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:39.199
kind of like turns around at him and she's like, what,

685
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.519
what do you mean it's evidence? So she kept kind

686
00:38:41.519 --> 00:38:43.119
of pushing him, like what do you mean it's evidence,

687
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:45.039
And that's when he finally explained, Look, I had to

688
00:38:45.039 --> 00:38:47.199
burn a bunch of my marijuana and a bunch of

689
00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.400
my paraphernalia. I had to get rid of it. And

690
00:38:49.440 --> 00:38:52.480
so by this point, Mom's frustrated, She's irritated with this

691
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:55.400
juvenile bullshit. She doesn't want to hear it anymore. She's like, look, dude,

692
00:38:55.400 --> 00:38:59.119
I'm busy, like make better decisions and go do your thing.

693
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:02.960
Go be okay. But the following morning, after all of

694
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:07.800
those discussions. That's when she realized that Seth was missing

695
00:39:08.159 --> 00:39:10.679
and Seth was dating her daughter, right, And so she

696
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.719
started thinking back about these conversations and it occurred to her,

697
00:39:16.440 --> 00:39:20.920
oh my god, was Mike Junior trying to like confess

698
00:39:21.000 --> 00:39:23.840
something to me because he said he did something wrong. Well,

699
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.280
she knew that Mike Junior was staying at the trailer

700
00:39:27.360 --> 00:39:30.719
with her son Kyle. So she goes and she confronts

701
00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:33.760
Kyle and she says, Kyle, what wall was being burned

702
00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:36.440
at the trailer? I want to know what's going on here.

703
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.880
This is weird. Seth is missing and now all this

704
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.679
stuff was being burned. What all was Mike talking about?

705
00:39:42.519 --> 00:39:44.639
Oh my god, was he trying to confess something to me?

706
00:39:44.960 --> 00:39:47.960
And that is when her son, Kyle, admitted everything to

707
00:39:48.039 --> 00:39:51.519
her and that is why she had called police. That's

708
00:39:51.559 --> 00:39:57.280
how all of this kind of unraveled. So Kyle back

709
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.159
to him. He continues to explain, I was on EDG

710
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:02.960
all night. I was unable to sleep. He lived at

711
00:40:02.960 --> 00:40:05.320
the trailer, so he didn't leave and I'm like, no,

712
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:07.800
wonder dude, of course you're on edge. And that's when

713
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:10.400
his mother pipes up and says, you know, That's when

714
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:13.599
I realized that my kids are not understanding how big

715
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:17.400
this is. This isn't something that we can just not address,

716
00:40:17.679 --> 00:40:19.519
and we have got to call the police. And that

717
00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:22.039
is when I called the police. So the detective is

718
00:40:22.079 --> 00:40:26.119
taking all of this in right, She's listening, she's watching Mom,

719
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:30.199
she's watching Kyle explain everything. Mom's cell phone goes off

720
00:40:30.199 --> 00:40:33.079
a couple of times during this interview and it's Kyle's

721
00:40:33.199 --> 00:40:35.360
dad calling, and she's trying to update him on Oh

722
00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:37.639
my god, you know this is horrible, our kids saw

723
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:43.119
this murder blah blah blah. Well, the detective asks, Mom, look,

724
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.079
do you think you could step out for just a minute,

725
00:40:45.119 --> 00:40:48.320
would you mind if I talked to Kyle alone? And

726
00:40:48.360 --> 00:40:50.719
Mom is like, absolutely, do what you gotta do. I

727
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:54.760
already know the story. Yes. So Mom leaves the room,

728
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:56.719
I guess, and goes and talks to dad on the phone,

729
00:40:57.679 --> 00:41:01.519
and the detective leans in and she's like, all right, man, look,

730
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.079
let's talk like one on one. Your mother's not here.

731
00:41:04.639 --> 00:41:08.800
I genuinely feel like there is more here that you're

732
00:41:08.800 --> 00:41:13.519
not telling me, and you know, I feel like you've

733
00:41:13.559 --> 00:41:17.960
got to come out with this. So Kyle's behavior looks

734
00:41:18.000 --> 00:41:20.480
defeated at this point, and he looks up at her

735
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:22.320
and he's like, look, there's something I want to tell you,

736
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.679
but I cannot tell my mom. I mean, she will die.

737
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:27.039
She will just die. And you can't just tell your

738
00:41:27.039 --> 00:41:30.320
mom these things. The detective obviously understood this and was like, Okay, look,

739
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.400
this is just between me and you. You can share

740
00:41:32.440 --> 00:41:34.079
this with your mother on your own time, at your

741
00:41:34.119 --> 00:41:36.519
own pace. But I need to know everything because we're

742
00:41:36.519 --> 00:41:38.840
trying to find Seth and we can't have him missing.

743
00:41:40.239 --> 00:41:43.280
So Kyle took a deep breath and he said, okay, look,

744
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:46.960
when I went back into the trailer, everything I said

745
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:49.599
is true. I was terrified. I could not believe what

746
00:41:49.679 --> 00:41:54.679
I was seeing. But Mike he asked me to help

747
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.880
him move Seth's body, and I had to. I had to.

748
00:41:59.000 --> 00:42:00.719
I had no choice. But I can't tell my mom that.

749
00:42:00.760 --> 00:42:02.159
I can't tell my mom I was helping move a

750
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:04.519
dead body. Do you know what I mean? That'll killer.

751
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:08.119
I can't say that. So let's stop for a second here,

752
00:42:08.119 --> 00:42:10.119
and I want to tell you something. You may already

753
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:11.599
know this and that's fine, but if you don't, I

754
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.320
do want to give you a little bit of education here,

755
00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.719
And I want to ask you this question to start,

756
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.559
have you ever watched football? Have you ever actually watched

757
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:21.559
a football game when the announcers they get all excited,

758
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:23.800
they get all up in their all up in their feelings,

759
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:26.119
and they're talking about the quarterback. Oh, he's been flushed

760
00:42:26.119 --> 00:42:29.039
out of the protective pocket that he's in. And then

761
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:30.960
he's looking, he's looking, there's no one to throw to,

762
00:42:31.000 --> 00:42:33.639
and he says, oh, he had to rush. He was

763
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.559
under a great deal of duress. And he throws that

764
00:42:36.679 --> 00:42:40.199
ball out to the sidelines. So in criminal law this

765
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.519
will matter, Okay. So this is why all of this

766
00:42:42.559 --> 00:42:45.519
I want to explain to you, Because duress means that

767
00:42:45.639 --> 00:42:49.280
people do things under pressure that they otherwise would not

768
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:52.599
want to do. Okay. And so there's an example here

769
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:55.800
if there's like, there's elements to duress that you have

770
00:42:55.880 --> 00:42:59.679
to prove in order for it to make sense. And

771
00:42:59.679 --> 00:43:01.440
I want want you to compare and contrast what I'm

772
00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:02.719
saying here, and you tell me if you think that

773
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:05.320
this kid was under duress. Number one is that there's

774
00:43:05.360 --> 00:43:09.320
got to be an immediate threat of imminent or impending

775
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:13.719
danger if they do not comply. Kyle was standing there

776
00:43:13.880 --> 00:43:16.760
with another guy with a gun he just watched unload

777
00:43:16.760 --> 00:43:18.760
it into another kid. Do you think that there was

778
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:23.000
imminent danger? Check mark? I do. Number two, there's got

779
00:43:23.039 --> 00:43:27.000
to be a threat of serious harm or even death,

780
00:43:27.400 --> 00:43:31.360
and that's why they comply with this person's demands. Check mark.

781
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.199
He just watched him murder somebody. Of course there's a

782
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.159
threat there. There's also got to be no reasonable alternative

783
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:42.039
to the actions that they take. The person doesn't have

784
00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:45.920
the opportunity to escape or avoid the threat. Now, someone

785
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:47.199
right now is going to say, well, hell, he could

786
00:43:47.199 --> 00:43:49.159
have ran out of the trailer. Yes, he could have,

787
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:51.079
But you also have to look at the complexity of

788
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.760
he's sixteen years old, okay, and he's seeing a guy murdered,

789
00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:56.199
and the guy's got a gun, and he's saying he's

790
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:58.679
going to get eight bodies underneath his belt. Do you

791
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.239
think that it was reasonable for him to say, well,

792
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:02.760
I think I'll check out at this point. No, that's

793
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.039
why he stayed. And then the last one amongst others, though,

794
00:44:06.119 --> 00:44:08.639
is that there's got to be a reasonable belief that

795
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.679
the person felt that the threat would be carried out

796
00:44:12.039 --> 00:44:15.559
if they don't help. And this guy, Mike had just said,

797
00:44:15.760 --> 00:44:17.639
if your sisters come out, there's gonna be or your

798
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:19.000
sister and her friend come out, there's going to be

799
00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:20.920
two more bodies. And he was going to kill and

800
00:44:20.920 --> 00:44:22.719
he wanted eight people dead by the end of the week.

801
00:44:23.360 --> 00:44:25.800
That is why it is so important that I feel

802
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.239
you understand dress. And of course he didn't leave, but

803
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:29.679
he didn't want to say this in front of his

804
00:44:29.800 --> 00:44:32.960
mother because he knew how terrible it sounded. So I

805
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.280
would argue in this moment, Kyle was feeling just this.

806
00:44:35.840 --> 00:44:37.679
Mike had a gun, he had just murdered someone in

807
00:44:37.719 --> 00:44:40.119
front of him, and the kid said, help me, or

808
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:44.519
there will be more bodies. He threatened him. Obviously Kyle complied.

809
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:46.760
So what did he do? He said, Look, I helped

810
00:44:46.800 --> 00:44:52.480
Carrie Seth's bleeding body outside into the backyard where Mike

811
00:44:52.599 --> 00:44:56.559
had a fire pit going. Now, this was a normal activity.

812
00:44:56.599 --> 00:44:59.119
They had already established this. It's something that they always

813
00:44:59.159 --> 00:45:01.199
did just to pass they didn't have a lot of money.

814
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:04.639
They could go out back, sit around the bonfire, drink, smoke,

815
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:07.559
make out, whatever, but that was kind of what they did.

816
00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:11.119
But this time Mike stoked up that fire because he

817
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:17.440
wanted to burn Seth's body. So he helped Mike put

818
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:20.239
Seth's body into a sleeping bag that they found in

819
00:45:20.280 --> 00:45:25.159
the trailer, and then they carried him outside to the fire. Now,

820
00:45:25.159 --> 00:45:27.760
once out there, Kyle said, look, I helped place him

821
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.960
on this big fire. I did, but at that point

822
00:45:31.039 --> 00:45:33.719
I could not do anymore. I was sick. And I

823
00:45:33.760 --> 00:45:36.239
told him, dude, I can't do this. I can't do anymore.

824
00:45:36.480 --> 00:45:38.800
You do you, but I can't watch this. This is

825
00:45:38.960 --> 00:45:40.639
this is outside of my scope of what I can

826
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.199
You know what I can take. And Mike and him

827
00:45:43.199 --> 00:45:45.079
had a short discussion, and Mike said, all right, Brah, look,

828
00:45:45.079 --> 00:45:48.039
I'm gonna let you go, but there is one fucking condition.

829
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:51.440
You better not ever say a word. Look at him,

830
00:45:51.719 --> 00:45:54.280
and then look at me. You better not say another word.

831
00:45:54.440 --> 00:45:58.639
Kyle swore himself to secrecy before he returned back into

832
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:02.239
the trailer. At that point, Amber and Charlie were now

833
00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:04.239
kind of peeking out of the bedroom and coming out,

834
00:46:04.320 --> 00:46:07.480
going what is happening? What is going on? And Kyle

835
00:46:07.800 --> 00:46:10.159
screamed at them, go back into the room, shut the door,

836
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:13.239
do not come out, do not come out, Just staying

837
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:14.360
there for the rest of the night. I don't give

838
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:17.440
a shit, just don't come out. And the girls, terrified

839
00:46:18.239 --> 00:46:20.760
that Kyle's reaction, did just that, they went back into

840
00:46:20.800 --> 00:46:24.800
the room and they stayed there. Kyle, who went back

841
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.840
into the other where his bedroom was, went into the bathroom.

842
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:31.599
He showered off. He was mortified by what had just happened.

843
00:46:31.760 --> 00:46:34.519
He took a shower, and then he pretty much remained

844
00:46:34.559 --> 00:46:38.000
in his bedroom the rest of the night. But while

845
00:46:38.039 --> 00:46:41.360
all this is going on, his mind was racing, and

846
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:43.960
his mind was going back to the last couple of

847
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:47.760
weeks and time that he had spent with Mike Junior,

848
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.480
and the fact that he had come home a couple

849
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.000
of times from work. He worked at a McDonald's. Okay,

850
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.480
he didn't have this high paying job, ornything. But when

851
00:46:55.480 --> 00:46:57.440
he had come home a few times Mike was staying

852
00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.840
there at the trailer, he found Mike and an extremely

853
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:04.639
bad mental state. And he's thinking back on this, going,

854
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:07.079
how did I not see that this guy was out

855
00:47:07.079 --> 00:47:10.239
of control? You know now, the reason that he found

856
00:47:10.280 --> 00:47:11.880
Mike in a bad state, Let's talk about it. He

857
00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:14.639
said that Mike had that warrant out for his arrest,

858
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:16.880
and it was something that he had been dodging. The

859
00:47:16.880 --> 00:47:18.880
police over. That's why he was kind of hiding out

860
00:47:18.920 --> 00:47:21.639
in this trailer. And let's talk about what this warrant

861
00:47:21.679 --> 00:47:25.199
was for. Mike had gotten tied up with a chick

862
00:47:25.800 --> 00:47:28.159
that he really really cared about. He was all about

863
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:32.280
this young girl. Okay, he loved her, he professed his

864
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.800
love for her, but there was one huge issue here.

865
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:42.599
Mike was eighteen years old his love. How old was she? Well,

866
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.840
I'm going to answer that question for you. She was

867
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:50.920
in the thirteen to fourteen year old range. Yeah, Mike

868
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:55.719
had been busted by her parents having sex with her. Obviously,

869
00:47:56.039 --> 00:47:57.880
she's much too young for him to be sleeping with.

870
00:47:58.039 --> 00:47:59.880
And we can all agree we understand why this was

871
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:02.440
huge and that her parents were going to press charges

872
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:06.239
against him for this sexual connection and activity. So the

873
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:08.880
police were after him, and as far as he knew it,

874
00:48:09.079 --> 00:48:11.119
his life was over. He was going to be charged

875
00:48:11.119 --> 00:48:13.800
for having sex with this young girl. And because of this,

876
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.000
Kyle had come home a few times in the last

877
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:20.159
few weeks and found Mike with that very gun to

878
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:24.599
his own head. This freaked him out, y'all. All of

879
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:28.880
this was going on and Mike was saying he wanted

880
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.039
to commit suicide. He said, it doesn't matter if I

881
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.920
live or die. My life is over anyway. And Kyle

882
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.800
was freaked out by this, but he always tried to

883
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:41.320
talk him down. It was very stressful. He said one

884
00:48:41.360 --> 00:48:43.320
of the times when he went into the room or

885
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.599
saw Mike with the gun to his head that as

886
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:48.960
Kyle approached him closer, he picked the gun up and

887
00:48:49.079 --> 00:48:51.320
put it in his mouth and said, one more step,

888
00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:52.960
one more steven them up, pulled the trigger right in

889
00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.039
front of you. So Kyle had had backed off, but

890
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:57.639
it was very obvious that this guy was in the

891
00:48:57.639 --> 00:49:00.800
throes of a breakdown, and now Mike had just ordered someone.

892
00:49:01.360 --> 00:49:06.079
And the unhinged nature and volatility of this guy and

893
00:49:06.119 --> 00:49:08.400
what he was showing now was scary a shit, and

894
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.599
I think we could all understand this. He was definitely

895
00:49:11.639 --> 00:49:16.199
capable of murder. He had just proved it. And during

896
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.280
those weeks though, when he was trying to talk Mike down,

897
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.480
Mike had told him about the fact that he might

898
00:49:22.519 --> 00:49:25.480
need to kill the family of this young girl to

899
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:27.920
avoid going to prison because of that charge. He was

900
00:49:28.000 --> 00:49:30.679
hiding out over that warrant, and he even went into

901
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:34.079
detail with Kyle about how he thought he could get

902
00:49:34.079 --> 00:49:37.840
away with it. This included if I shoot someone, I

903
00:49:37.880 --> 00:49:40.440
could put them in a sleeping bag or a blanket

904
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.199
or whatever and then carry them out and burn them,

905
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:47.559
burn them down to a chris basically cremate them, and

906
00:49:47.880 --> 00:49:51.000
when the bodies no more, no one will ever know.

907
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:54.039
That's the easiest way to get rid of it. And

908
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:57.760
now it seemed that Mike was doing just that, but

909
00:49:57.920 --> 00:50:02.159
with Seth. So so the question of the detective and

910
00:50:02.239 --> 00:50:06.119
mine as well at this point was, Okay, why was

911
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:10.199
Mike not wanting to fight Seth? And why was Seth

912
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:14.039
there wanting to fight Mike? Okay, what was going on here?

913
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:17.719
And it all went back to that warrant that Mike had.

914
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:20.880
Seth knew about it, supposedly, I'm not sure. I can't

915
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:23.440
confirm that or not. And that's why Seth was over

916
00:50:23.519 --> 00:50:26.360
there kind of agitating Mike and saying, why don't you

917
00:50:26.360 --> 00:50:28.199
come out, you know, trying to be tough and let's fight.

918
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:29.920
In all of that, him and Amber had broken up,

919
00:50:30.239 --> 00:50:34.639
and but Mike couldn't because while Seth is doing all

920
00:50:34.639 --> 00:50:38.079
of this running of his mouth, if the police get called,

921
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.000
they're gonna find Mike, right, So he doesn't want that

922
00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:43.239
to happen, but there was something else that was now

923
00:50:43.280 --> 00:50:48.519
explained to the detective. Kyle said that Seth had been

924
00:50:48.840 --> 00:50:53.159
beating up his little sister Amber. He said, he put

925
00:50:53.239 --> 00:50:56.880
hands on my sister, as people like to say. Amber

926
00:50:56.920 --> 00:50:59.960
had been very vocal about Seth hurting her and Seth

927
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.880
So now Mike and Kyle had beef with their former

928
00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:08.320
friend over all of this. But Mike, being in that

929
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:10.559
unstable mindset that he was in, it seemed like he

930
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:13.519
had just snapped once Seth came inside of the trailer,

931
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:15.960
and he just snapped and he shot him and he

932
00:51:16.039 --> 00:51:19.920
murdered him. Seth wanted to fight, but unfortunately he picked

933
00:51:19.920 --> 00:51:22.519
it with someone who was extremely unstable and it cost

934
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.639
him his life. Okay, I could see that happening. The

935
00:51:27.639 --> 00:51:30.079
detective was like, all right, I get all of this now,

936
00:51:30.119 --> 00:51:32.559
like putting these pieces together. I get what is going

937
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:35.519
on here. Not that it should have happened, but it's understanding.

938
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:40.159
But why was Seth at the house to begin with? Like,

939
00:51:40.199 --> 00:51:45.320
we're missing something here, Okay, what was this fight all about?

940
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:49.400
How did this connection come to be? Well? Seth had

941
00:51:49.400 --> 00:51:53.800
been texting Amber that day about wanting to apologize and

942
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:57.039
maybe work things out. He was blowing up Amber's phone

943
00:51:57.400 --> 00:52:01.440
wouldn't lebr alone. And here was that Amber was afraid

944
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.840
to talk to him alone. Why because Seth had been

945
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:07.519
beating her up. So she agreed that she would meet

946
00:52:07.559 --> 00:52:09.800
with him, and she wanted to go up the street

947
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.880
to talk to him, but because she was scared, Charlie Eely,

948
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:15.599
the girl that owns the trailer, agreed to go with her.

949
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:18.519
They were gone about an hour and then they went

950
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:20.719
talked to Seth and then they came back to the house.

951
00:52:21.159 --> 00:52:24.679
But that's whenever Seth basically followed them back to the

952
00:52:24.719 --> 00:52:28.719
trailer and was adamant he wanted to talk to Amber Moore. Now,

953
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:32.159
both Seth and Michael, of course, they hated one another

954
00:52:32.199 --> 00:52:35.000
at this point, and because of that warrant that was

955
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:37.719
out for his arrest, and Seth was out there yelling

956
00:52:37.760 --> 00:52:39.639
and wanting to fight in the front yard and bringing

957
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:42.360
about this extra agitation of Mike, who was trying to

958
00:52:42.440 --> 00:52:44.920
keep the low profile from the police. That is why

959
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.639
it escalated the way that it did. So Kyle couldn't

960
00:52:48.639 --> 00:52:50.719
sleep that whole night. He goes back into that and

961
00:52:50.880 --> 00:52:53.519
he stayed at the trailer but throughout the night because

962
00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:55.920
he couldn't sleep. He kept peeking out, and he kept

963
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:59.199
seeing that Mike was remaining outside and tending to this

964
00:52:59.320 --> 00:53:02.840
fire as he basically cremated fifteen year old Seth in

965
00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:06.719
the backyard. Now, by the next morning, Kyle wanted to

966
00:53:06.760 --> 00:53:09.400
distance himself from the trailer, and so he tried to

967
00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:12.039
go on like normal. He went to McDonald's, he worked

968
00:53:12.039 --> 00:53:16.760
his shift that's shown improven, and then when he got

969
00:53:16.800 --> 00:53:19.599
back to the trailer, he's kind of looking around because

970
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:22.239
this is a lot okay to take in, and he

971
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:25.760
noticed that there were spots of tan paint poured out

972
00:53:26.119 --> 00:53:29.400
in spots all over the backyard. Now the fire had

973
00:53:29.440 --> 00:53:32.000
died down at this point, he said, Seth's body was

974
00:53:32.039 --> 00:53:35.079
nowhere to be found, and he did know for a

975
00:53:35.119 --> 00:53:37.119
fact that that paint had not been poured out in

976
00:53:37.159 --> 00:53:40.519
the backyard the night before, so it stood out to him.

977
00:53:40.519 --> 00:53:44.159
It caught his attention. The paint, by the way was

978
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:46.320
tan colored, and he knew that that had to have

979
00:53:46.360 --> 00:53:48.719
been the paint from the trailer because Charlie and her

980
00:53:48.800 --> 00:53:52.400
husband had been repainting the trailer right before he was

981
00:53:52.480 --> 00:53:57.199
arrested and sent off to jail on whatever his charge was. Now,

982
00:53:57.280 --> 00:54:00.679
Mike was still at the trailer when Kyle had returned,

983
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:02.519
and he saw all the paint and all this stuff

984
00:54:02.559 --> 00:54:05.480
going on. But he was frantic and he told Kyle, look, braul,

985
00:54:05.760 --> 00:54:08.320
I got to get out of town. Now, Kyle would

986
00:54:08.320 --> 00:54:10.000
have been lying if he said he wasn't relieved to

987
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:12.440
the fact that Mike was now wanting to leave. Good,

988
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.760
get your crazy ass out of here, because you're scaring

989
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:19.039
everybody that's in this trailer. Getting a killer out of

990
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:22.840
your house, that's a great idea. Now, Michael did not

991
00:54:23.039 --> 00:54:26.280
tell Kyle where he was going, but in the past,

992
00:54:26.480 --> 00:54:28.960
Michael had mentioned that he had a cousin or something

993
00:54:29.039 --> 00:54:32.800
like that that lived out of town, and Kyle couldn't

994
00:54:32.800 --> 00:54:34.320
remember off the top of his head where it was.

995
00:54:34.400 --> 00:54:37.800
He would be able to recount that shortly after, but

996
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:39.639
in that moment he couldn't think of it. But his

997
00:54:39.719 --> 00:54:42.639
guest was that that is where Mike probably went. He

998
00:54:42.679 --> 00:54:44.360
doesn't have any money all, he doesn't have a way

999
00:54:44.400 --> 00:54:45.880
to get out of town. He can't buy a flight,

1000
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.280
so that was his guess. So police were now jumping

1001
00:54:49.679 --> 00:54:53.440
on determining who was Mike's cousin, And now we've got

1002
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.920
to go get our hands on this rapist of a

1003
00:54:56.920 --> 00:55:01.000
young girl now turned murderer. He is dangerous. We know

1004
00:55:01.119 --> 00:55:03.039
that he wants to have more bodies under his belt.

1005
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:05.239
He's made that very clear. He wants eight. That was

1006
00:55:05.280 --> 00:55:07.320
his number, and so time was of the essence and

1007
00:55:07.360 --> 00:55:11.480
tracking him down became priority number one. In the meantime, though,

1008
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:14.079
there was a really really sad thing that had to happen.

1009
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:17.280
Police had to go and they had to give Seth's

1010
00:55:17.320 --> 00:55:21.599
parents this news that they think they might know what

1011
00:55:21.719 --> 00:55:25.440
happened to their son. The police obviously believed he was

1012
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:27.079
dead at this point. They had no proof of it

1013
00:55:27.159 --> 00:55:30.320
in that moment, but that is seemingly going to be

1014
00:55:30.360 --> 00:55:33.519
correct because Seth hadn't made any contact with them with

1015
00:55:33.559 --> 00:55:36.519
the parents and they were continuing to search for him

1016
00:55:37.079 --> 00:55:41.000
to no avail. So two days after Seth had been missing,

1017
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:44.519
his family did what they could to help keep I

1018
00:55:44.559 --> 00:55:48.400
guess hope alive for their boy in their minds, a

1019
00:55:48.519 --> 00:55:53.400
vigil was the best option. However, before the vigil took place,

1020
00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.039
police broke the news to them that not only did

1021
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:02.199
they believe Seth was murdered, but also the shock that

1022
00:56:02.400 --> 00:56:06.400
he may have been burned, he may not be in

1023
00:56:06.440 --> 00:56:09.599
one piece he may, we don't know what has happened.

1024
00:56:10.199 --> 00:56:12.639
And then to add to those two layers of absolute

1025
00:56:12.719 --> 00:56:17.079
terror and shock, they also had to break the news

1026
00:56:17.079 --> 00:56:20.280
that it could have been a former friend that was

1027
00:56:20.440 --> 00:56:23.920
involved in this. I mean, it was just unbelievable. You

1028
00:56:23.960 --> 00:56:26.000
go from your child not knowing where they are to

1029
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:30.599
now being murdered, now possibly burned, missing body, and a friend.

1030
00:56:31.599 --> 00:56:34.760
How do you even swallow that information? How do you

1031
00:56:34.760 --> 00:56:37.800
even process that information? Because as far as his parents

1032
00:56:37.800 --> 00:56:40.880
were concerned, Seth's parents, they saw the great in their boy.

1033
00:56:41.400 --> 00:56:43.239
You know, they remembered him as someone who liked to

1034
00:56:43.239 --> 00:56:47.119
make people laugh. He was kind hearted, y'all, he loved animals. Sure,

1035
00:56:47.199 --> 00:56:50.360
he had his troubles, but his dream at fifteen years

1036
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:53.280
old was to become a member of the UFC. He

1037
00:56:53.599 --> 00:56:57.000
dreamed of being a UFC championship and being a fighting champion.

1038
00:56:57.519 --> 00:57:00.400
He spent his days four wheeling and he just two

1039
00:57:00.480 --> 00:57:03.079
brothers and hanging out with them. And now here are

1040
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:06.400
his parents, Scott and Sonia, And they've got this devastating

1041
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:08.840
task of telling his brothers, look, not only will he

1042
00:57:08.880 --> 00:57:11.039
not be returning home, but we don't even know if

1043
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:14.519
he has a body left. He might be cremated somewhere.

1044
00:57:16.119 --> 00:57:21.280
His parents obviously needed to talk to police. More police

1045
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.800
needed to interview them, and through their grief and shock,

1046
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:26.760
they were still able to give a bit more insight

1047
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:30.639
to the recent squabbles between Seth and some other kids.

1048
00:57:31.360 --> 00:57:34.000
And this included one or two incidents that had just

1049
00:57:34.599 --> 00:57:39.960
recently taken place, and they specifically mentioned one where Seth

1050
00:57:40.079 --> 00:57:43.920
was outside playing basketball at their house. Seth's parents lived

1051
00:57:43.960 --> 00:57:46.840
by the way, just about four miles down the road

1052
00:57:46.880 --> 00:57:53.000
from the trailer that Charlie Eely owned. They said that

1053
00:57:53.199 --> 00:57:55.960
Seth was outside playing basketball, some kids had come walking

1054
00:57:56.000 --> 00:57:59.519
by or driving by, whatever, and an argument had ensued

1055
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:03.199
that are argument got so bad that Seth was screaming,

1056
00:58:03.320 --> 00:58:05.639
get the fuck out of here, get the hell off

1057
00:58:05.679 --> 00:58:08.360
of my property. You need to leave, and when his

1058
00:58:08.400 --> 00:58:11.400
parents are like, dude, what is going on here? Seth

1059
00:58:12.119 --> 00:58:14.719
had seen his girlfriend at that time, they hadn't broken

1060
00:58:14.800 --> 00:58:18.639
up yet. He had seen his girlfriend holding hands and

1061
00:58:18.760 --> 00:58:24.880
possibly kissing another boy. So this had Seth furious, and

1062
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:27.559
that is what had spawned and spurned all of this

1063
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:33.360
arguing between Amber and Seth. That said they had seen

1064
00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:36.960
this boy, Mike, come by and him and Seth had

1065
00:58:37.000 --> 00:58:39.000
been yelling at one another. He was telling Seth to

1066
00:58:39.000 --> 00:58:42.320
get the fuck off of their property. Now that my

1067
00:58:42.519 --> 00:58:47.239
kid yelled out in response to Seth, whatever, motherfucker, something

1068
00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:49.360
along those lines. Don't you worry about it. I got

1069
00:58:49.360 --> 00:58:53.559
a bullet with your name on the written on it. WHOA.

1070
00:58:54.519 --> 00:58:57.679
So that, in and of itself now was like, wait

1071
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.960
a second. This means that there had been prior talks

1072
00:59:01.039 --> 00:59:05.880
of shooting Seth. It seemed like and this was days,

1073
00:59:05.960 --> 00:59:10.360
if not weeks before this incident had occurred. So this

1074
00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:13.000
is more than just coincidence. It seemed like, you know,

1075
00:59:13.639 --> 00:59:16.639
this seemed like this my guy had just freaked out

1076
00:59:16.679 --> 00:59:18.719
and blown up and came out and just started popping

1077
00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:21.400
caps in this kid. But now the parents are saying no, no, no,

1078
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:23.920
no no. They had words, and he had even said

1079
00:59:23.960 --> 00:59:27.199
he was gonna shoot Seth. So when asked to detail

1080
00:59:27.239 --> 00:59:32.920
the fighting between Seth and Amber, his parents spoke mainly

1081
00:59:33.000 --> 00:59:36.239
kindly about Amber. They said they were normal, they did

1082
00:59:36.320 --> 00:59:39.360
normal things. You know, my son, he's a teenage boys.

1083
00:59:39.440 --> 00:59:42.039
Hormones were raging, he was interested in girls. He seemed

1084
00:59:42.039 --> 00:59:44.000
to have a new girlfriend every couple of weeks. Then

1085
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:46.360
he started dating Amber. They would come over to the house.

1086
00:59:46.719 --> 00:59:49.599
We cooked for her, we had dinner together, they would

1087
00:59:49.599 --> 00:59:53.880
watch TV, they played basketball, very normal things. Of course,

1088
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.519
Mom was like, you know, I did feel like she's

1089
00:59:55.519 --> 00:59:57.960
a little bit manipulative of him and his emotions at times.

1090
00:59:58.000 --> 01:00:00.480
But all in all, there were no red flags. But

1091
01:00:00.599 --> 01:00:06.440
Mom had witnessed something that was very poignant to detectives.

1092
01:00:07.000 --> 01:00:11.719
She witnessed Amber walk by holding hands and kissing the

1093
01:00:11.800 --> 01:00:15.079
other guy. Okay, well, do you know who that boy is?

1094
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:20.119
Who was that boy? And her answer was quick and

1095
01:00:20.199 --> 01:00:29.559
quite shocking. She said, yeah, it's Mike. What. Yeah, the

1096
01:00:29.599 --> 01:00:32.320
same Mike that's believed to have murdered your son was

1097
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.440
holding hands and kissing his girlfriend. She said, yes, that's

1098
01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:38.519
why all the stupid shit seemed to be going on,

1099
01:00:38.719 --> 01:00:42.400
is they were fighting over all of this. So, as

1100
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.599
you can imagine, police now wanted to have a word

1101
01:00:44.880 --> 01:00:47.880
with Amber, and they also wanted to find Mike, who

1102
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:51.119
was still on the run. So while Amber was brought

1103
01:00:51.119 --> 01:00:54.840
in and questioned about was there possibly a love triangle here,

1104
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:59.039
police had located Mike and they were heading his way

1105
01:00:59.360 --> 01:01:03.480
for a surprise visit. Now, hear me out, don't groan,

1106
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:08.880
don't groan. There's so much more to this story that

1107
01:01:08.920 --> 01:01:11.239
I'm gonna have to wrap it up in a part

1108
01:01:11.280 --> 01:01:14.320
two next week. And I'm telling you, at first, this

1109
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:18.320
seems like an open and shut case. Teenagers are impulsive,

1110
01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:22.280
they're emotional, they're reckless, they do stupid things in order

1111
01:01:22.320 --> 01:01:25.400
to look cool and whatever in front of others. But

1112
01:01:25.480 --> 01:01:29.840
a possible love triangle that was never on the radar,

1113
01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:34.639
that was never mentioned. Police were now headed into the

1114
01:01:34.760 --> 01:01:39.000
teenage world of love triangles. But it would span much

1115
01:01:39.400 --> 01:01:45.559
farther than hurt feelings, jealous texts, and angers that spiraled

1116
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:50.000
out of control. Because when investigators slowed this story down,

1117
01:01:50.679 --> 01:01:55.239
really slowed it down, cracks began to show. A fight

1118
01:01:55.320 --> 01:02:00.039
that supposedly just happened seemed to now be possibly a

1119
01:02:00.119 --> 01:02:06.039
much more calculated event. The argument that witnesses described as

1120
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:09.920
somewhere just out of nowhere and explosive, well, now there

1121
01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:13.920
would be a bunch more people that would be questioned,

1122
01:02:14.760 --> 01:02:18.039
and as they were questioned, their answers all seem to

1123
01:02:18.079 --> 01:02:23.679
be more like following a script. Next episode, police are

1124
01:02:23.719 --> 01:02:27.440
going to crack this case wide open, and multiple families

1125
01:02:27.639 --> 01:02:30.519
are going to be destroyed. You can count on it.

1126
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.079
And the goons at the center of all of this,

1127
01:02:34.440 --> 01:02:37.719
they are going to think that they are smarter than everyone.

1128
01:02:38.079 --> 01:02:41.480
They think they can talk their way out of anything.

1129
01:02:42.119 --> 01:02:46.000
But there's always a similar downfall in people like this.

1130
01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:50.199
They always think they're street smart and they're smooth under pressure,

1131
01:02:50.400 --> 01:02:53.519
when in reality, there's much more at play here because

1132
01:02:53.519 --> 01:02:57.519
the whole time that they think that they're outsmarting people, honey,

1133
01:02:57.519 --> 01:03:00.119
the reality is you're just underestimating them. A