The Welfare Check | Lisa and Joel Guy Sr

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast where I tell stories of real crimes

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with real victims, whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey y'all, kJ you're back

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for another set of unspeakable? What's
going on? O? M freaking g.

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We are done with that live show. And if you came, I

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am so thankful and I hope that
you enjoyed it. What a freakin story

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to be told. And I know
everybody knows the Derek Toddlee story, or

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they think they do, but you
certainly didn't know it the way that I

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told it. And I hope that
everyone that came enjoyed it. So thank

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you, so very much from the
bottom of my heart. And I had

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people giving me things and I couldn't
believe they brought me gifts to my own

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show, But making me blankets and
cups and bringing T shirts and everything else.

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So I'm gonna post some of those
pictures. If I haven't already on

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Facebook and things like that, I'll
post them so y'all can check them out.

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But man, what a show.
I really enjoyed it. I slept

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like a baby when it was finally
over because mama was tired. But we

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are going to do a series that
we're gonna record so that if you weren't

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able to come, no problem,
We're gonna do it. It's gonna be

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highly produced. I think Jim released
an episode already tell y'all about it,

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and I cannot wait because if you
don't know that story like I told it,

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I can't wait to tell it to
you in a podcast format. So

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before I get started on today's episode, though, I have some shout outs

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to do because it's been a minute
since I've given some shout outs. So

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I'm going to start with my crime
family members. I've got mister Charles Hutchinson,

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Hey Charles, thank you so much
for joining, and Miss Charlotte Upton.

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I'm so happy to have both of
y'all. And Kayla Ferris. Hey,

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Kayla, Now this is kind of
crazy. But I know Kayla personally,

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and she came to the live show
and we were, you know,

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talking about some of the things that
happened to some of the victims and Derek

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tide Lee when I was in the
show. We weren't talking specifically, but

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do you know that she messaged me
shortly thereafter because a gentleman knocked on her

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front door and said the very same
things that Derek tid Lee said to some

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of his victims before he busted through
the door and killed them. And it

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happened literally a few days later,
and she said it went through her head.

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Oh my god, this is what
Kelly was talking about. So when

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we released this, y'all listen,
because I mean, it can happen to

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anybody. Thankfully. She was okay
though, but hey, Kyla, thanks

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for joining Braydon Vine. I know
that name because I taught him in the

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classroom and he sent me a message
and said, hey, I'm joining your

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Patreon, and it just touched my
heart because he said, I guess some

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students do still want to hear their
teachers' voices after high school when he graduated,

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and that meant something to me.
So, hey, Bray, I'm

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so glad that you joined, and
I appreciate you, buddy. You know

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that you're special to me. Miss
Allison Whitney, Hey Alison, I'm so

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thankful that you joined my crime family
along with Jessica Edwards. Hey, Jessica,

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I know you, girl. Jessico
is at a local school and she

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and I just have the best relationship. I think she's cute as can be.

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So hey girl, thank you so
much for joining and supporting me,

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as well as Miss Tina Schmidt.
Hey, miss Tina out there from Hammond,

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how's it going? And then Richard
Sobers from Baton Rouge. Hey,

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mister Richard, how are you doing? I may have already given you a

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shout out, but I couldn't remember, so I said, Hell, I'll

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just do it twice. It's my
show. I can do whatever I want.

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So hey Richard, thank you so
much. As well as last,

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but not least in this crime family
grouping is Miss Kristin Millius. Hey Kristin,

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let's see from Wisconsin. Hey girl, man, that's a long way,

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but I'm so glad to have you
join. I've also got some gang

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members. I need to say hello
to Miss Gypsy Everett, and you know,

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that Gypsy kind of made my heart
drop for a second because I was

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like, oh my god, Gypsy
Rose she joined my patreon. Who thunk

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it? But it wasn't Gypsy Rose, it was the better one. It's

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miss Gypsy Everett. So, hey
girl, thank you so much for joining.

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I've got Lauren Williams, Hey Lauren. And Lisa Frankoski from New York.

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Hey, Lisa, thank you so
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D Cholera from Ohio, Hey,
d D, so happy to have you.

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And then the last one, it's
just Shannon. There was no last

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name. I tried to figure it
out and there was no address. So

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no last name, no address.
Shannon, Hey girl, I'm so glad

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that you joined. You need to
send me a message and let me know

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who you are, because all I
have is Shannon on file. But I'm

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so glad to have you. And
then I've got my vigilantes all the way,

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both of them from Louisiana Pride and
Holden, Miss Chelsea Holden, how

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are you doing? But she's the
one from Pride as funny as that is,

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so Chelsea Holding from Pride, and
then r Andy Downing from Holden.

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Hey, y'all, so incredibly blessed
to have you on my team. Thank

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you everyone who joined my Patreon.
You know your support is the difference,

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and it's what makes me be able
to keep doing the show. And I

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have worked super hard on today's episode
and I hope you like it. I

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have some personal ties to this episode, not because I knew the fella,

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but because I know people that knew
the fella. So I guess that's called

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gossip. I don't know, but
this story tripped me out when I first

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heard it, and I decided I
needed to do an episode. But it's

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going to take place starting out in
Knoxville, Tennessee, on November twenty sixth,

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twenty sixteen, and sixty one year
old Joel Guy Senior and fifty five

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year old Lisa Guy had been married
for thirty one years and were described as

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true soulmates, and they had worked
their whole lives to build a beautiful life

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and to create a stable home for
their children. Now, Joel was a

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successful engineering designer and Lisa wore dul
hats. Okay, so because at first

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she was a full time mom,
and then as the kids got older and

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they became a little bit more you
know, self reliant. She became an

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account's payable manager. But those days
of nine to five were soon to be

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behind them, because, lucky for
them, they were entering that phase of

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life we all dream of one day, retirement. Can I get an amen

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to all of us working folk?
Retirement is what we dream of. And

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they were there, and they were
so excited to be free of the workload,

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and they wanted to be together,
enjoying each other's company and their great

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sense of humor that everyone said that
they had. When they were together.

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I got the feeling that they were
playful and that they just fed off of

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one another, and whatever one wanted
to do, the other one wanted to

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do it. And they were about
to get to enjoy every minute together.

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And looking at their photos, I
see two people who resemble every young grandparent

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couple, you know what I mean. Like they're the younger end of the

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grandparent scale, the ones that you
see at the baseball park cheering on their

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grandkids and they're happy to pick them
up from school when the scheduling is hard

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and the parents are overbooked. Lisa
was a pretty lady. She had brown

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hair. It was right past her
shoulders. It had like a little curl

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to it, and she had thin
eyebrows and pretty tan skin. She looks

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like to me, everyone's mom.
She looked like the one who would take

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care of things. You would call
her whenever you had a problem. She

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would try to work it out and
talk it out with you. And then

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Joel had light brown hair, but
it had hints of gray about it.

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It was only on the sides,
though, because he was bald on top,

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so we had just that hair around
the sides of his head, and

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his mustache color matched his hair.
So he stood about a head taller than

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his beloved wife, and he looked
like a pulpall you'd see out fishing with

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his buddies. They just looked like
the all American couple. And they were

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loving and kind hearted and the most
compassionate people. Based on everything that I

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researched, these were good people and
when they spoke to each other, it

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was obvious that they were the loves
of each other's lives. They loved anything

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that involved being together, specifically when
it involved being outdoors and out on the

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water. And they loved their kids
with all that they had, and they

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adored their grandchildren even more than that. They were literally there in their rest

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phase where they just were going to
sit back and watch and enjoy their family's

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growth in where everybody was headed.
So they had three daughters, right,

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Sandie, Michelle, and Angela were
their daughters, and then they had one

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son named Joel Junior. The dynamic
of their family was like many American families.

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They were a blended family, but
everyone at this point in their lives

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was an adult and they had grown
up to create their own paths for themselves.

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And you remember all those grandkids that
they were so in love with,

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there were six of them. There
was a whole crew of these kiddos.

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They almost had their own baseball team. That would be cool. And how

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blessed they were as grandparents, enjoying
every snuggle and hug and kiss. They

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were totally smitten and in love with
these grand babies. They also had,

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like many other couples who have,
you know, kids that are leaving the

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nest, they had gotten a dog
and they named him Jake, and they

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were obsessed with Jake. Jake was
pampered, he was adored, and he

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was treated like a child. And
I totally identify with this because my own

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mom tells me to like when I
go over to their house, she'll say,

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and this is a direct quote,
she'll say, give your sister a

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kiss. And she's referring to her
WEENI dog, Penny. And so when

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I go over there, I do
have to kiss my sister Penny. I

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now have a new brother, a
big old standard poodle, Remington, So

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I guess I have to kiss my
brother now too when I go over there.

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So, with the Guys ready to
move forward with their retirement plans,

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they had decided to sell their home
in Knoxville because they had made the decision

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that they were gonna move into Joel
Guys, the husband's family home, and

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they had actually already purchased it.
And on November seventeenth of twenty sixteen,

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Joel Guy Senior created a family group
text and he let everyone in the family

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know that they had officially sold their
home and they would need to be out

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by no later than December thirteenth.
And considering that the plan was moving forward

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like they had dreamed that it would
and it was going great, Lisa Guy

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went ahead and she made plans with
her work to resign her position in preparation

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for the move to the new family
home that they had purchased, so her

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last day of work was scheduled to
be in a few weeks, which would

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have been on December the second,
but a few days after the family text

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was sent, it was Thanksgiving Day, and so everyone had made plans.

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We're going to get together at the
parents' house. We're going to celebrate together.

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This included their daughter, Michelle,
and Michelle had three sons, and

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this was an all day affair with
fun and laughter and fill in the walls

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of that home with joy, right, and it was soon to be sold.

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It was kind of like their last
hurrah in that house. So while

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the children and the grandchildren had to
drive to the house, Joel Junior did

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not because he actually still technically lived
at home. Matter of fact, he

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was painfully introverted, and he was
known to stay in his room and to

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not interact much with the family even
if they were having a big to do,

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like even if there was a big, you know, Easter event and

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all the grandkids were there or Christmas. He was just a weirdo. He

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didn't come down and associate with everyone
else. But hey, different strokes,

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different folks. We all have different
ideas of what is comfortable for us.

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And on top of his kind of
anti socialness was the fact that he didn't

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have many friends either. But he
did have one friend that he had had

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since childhood. And his name was
Michael McCracken, which doesn't sound like a

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real name to me, but it
is his real name. So Michael McCracken

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and him had met in the Great
State of Louisiana right other than in Baton

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Rouge right here by me go tigers
right and Joel Junior had originally grown up

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in Luling, Louisiana. Now,
Michael McCracken had lived in Baton Rouge from

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two thousand and six to twenty fifteen, and he had met Joel Junior when

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they attended boarding school together at the
Louisiana School for Math, Science and the

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Arts. There they had been roommates
at that school, so considering how close

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they were, and they even lived
together, they considered each other to be

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their best friend. Now, Joel
Junior was an odd bird right to say

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the least, and socially awkward at
best, and it seemed like the older

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he got, the more withdrawn he
became. But the two boys would graduate

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high school and then they would head
off to different colleges. Michael would go

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to LSU and Joel Junior enrolled in
George Washington University in Washington, d C.

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But then he transferred to LSU after
just one semester. So eventually the

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former roommates would become roommates again at
LSU. Now, Joel Junior became increasingly

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more withdrawn and literally would not come
out of his room for days at a

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time. According to his best friend
Michael, his mother would call and she

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would communicate with him, but he
wasn't very communicative in reverse. Matter of

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fact, it wasn't until years after
college. Listen to this. It wasn't

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until years after college that Joel Junior's
own best friend, Michael, would even

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learn that Joel Junior had siblings.
Can you imagine growing up with someone and

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considering yourself their best friend and you
don't even know that they have siblings?

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Like, what the hell did you
talk about? If you're withdrawn and you're

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hanging out day in and day out, you don't know that they have Like

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that's weird to me, that's beyond
weird on both sides. Actually, Like

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you didn't ask do you have any
siblings? But either way, I mean,

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how did that not come up in
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Freaking strange, but it didn't.
Now Joel Junior would be in college

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for a long time. He originally
planned, according to everything he said,

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to study plastic surgery, but he
withdrew in twenty fifteen, so he now

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considered himself to be a non matriculating
graduate student. Basically that means he's not

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involved in the graduate program. It's
I mean, y'all. It's literally defined

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as not fully enrolled as a member
of a college or university and not eligible

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for a degree. So he had
spent nine years in colleges without graduating,

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and all of this has been funded
and financed by his parents. So by

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the time that he was twenty eight, this is crazy. By the time

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that he was twenty eight, he
had never had a job. It was

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almost like his job was to be
in college. But even half of that

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he wasn't actually working towards a degree. But when it's all said and done,

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Joel Junior could always count on his
parents financially. They provided it all.

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And in twenty sixteen, Joel Junior
was twenty eight years old, had

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never held a job and only once
had interned with a summer research program,

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if you want to call that a
job. In terms of love, they

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loved him, although he wasn't very
like lovable. I guess you would say

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he wasn't mean. Okay, I
don't want to come across that way.

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He was not mean necessarily. He
just was odd and he was not very

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fun to be around. But Mama
always provided support and holidays at home were

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built with love. Joel Junior regularly
went home for the holidays and he spent

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time with his family. So when
I said that he lived at home,

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technically, what I'm saying is he
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But when college, you know,
was done, he would go back home

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and spend time with his family.
Well he went, I guess I'd say,

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I don't know about actually spending time
with them, but he would physically

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be at their house, locked up
in his bedroom. So on Thanksgiving Day,

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Joel Junior was visiting like normal,
and he stayed at his parents' home

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and he had a bedroom there,
right, just like when you move out

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and you come back home, you
still have a bedroom. He had his

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bedroom there and all of his favorite
possessions were in that room, things like

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his books, and his figurines and
his furniture, and he had free reign

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of this home. He had his
own key, he had a garage door

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opener, so this was his home
and he was given access to the house

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just as if he had lived there
day in and day out. So,

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as I already mentioned, his sister
and the kids came over and they enjoyed

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the day together after eating and hanging
out, they would all also have dinner

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together later that evening, and then
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So the next day, which would
have been a Friday, Joel Senior asked

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Joel Junior to help him move his
boat from the house that they had sold

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to the new one, and so
they did that together, and then he

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spoke to his sister Robin around one
pm, and then to his other sister,

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Renee a bit later, telling her
that they would be back home around

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three pm. So after the boat
was moved, Joel Junior was able to

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park his car in the garage because
it was out of the way, and

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then the rest of the day was
pretty mundane. They just kind of hung

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out and did whatever, and then
on Sunday, Joel Junior headed back to

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Baton Rouge back to college. He
didn't speak to his parents again, but

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that wasn't unusual in that he wasn't
much of a talker. I've said that

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to you. Joel Senior's sister,
Renee, however, had been texting Joel

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Senor the rest of that weekend,
but he wasn't answering her. He could

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have been busy, you know,
or whatever. But it was really strange

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that on Sunday he hadn't spoken to
his own daughter, Sandie. And this

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was really weird because it was her
birthday and Daddy never missed a birthday.

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This was not a man who would
not be answering text messages, and it

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certainly wasn't a man that was not
going to acknowledge his daughter's birthday. So

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that following Monday, which would have
been in November twenty eighth, Lisa Guy

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was expected to begin work at seven
am, but she never showed. Even

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stranger was the fact that she was
supposed to be celebrated by her coworkers that

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day at a retirement luncheon held in
her honor, and she was really excited

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to attend. She was not the
type of woman to no call, no

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show, and she would have never
disrespected her coworkers by blowing off a luncheon

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that was being held in her honor. Added to that fact was that Jennifer

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Whited, which was Lisa's boss,
knew she would have been up and she

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would have been at work, So
she was texting Lisa that morning of that

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luncheon, but she wasn't getting any
responses. So Jennifer continued to text both

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Joel Sr. And Lisa all day
with neither one of them answering her text

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messages. And she knew that something
was wrong, something was very wrong.

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These people were not those people to
not answer messages. So, considering all

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of the red flags that were going
off, Jennifer cut straight to the chase

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and she notified police, asking them
to conduct a welfare check on both Joel

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and Lisa. And I got to
say this real quick shout out to all

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the bosses throughout my seasons, because
the bosses are the ones that seem to

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always realize, hey, this is
a good worker and they haven't shown up

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and in more times than I can
count, bosses are the ones that call

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the police and like, hey where
are these guys? So I fully expect

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my Jim Jimothy if I don't answer
my text messages. You better be calling

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the police. Tell them I'm dead. Somebody got me. A few hours

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later, no answers or phone calls, nothing. No one had returned anything

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that Jennifer, the boss had sent
out, so she called the police again

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to see what they had found,
and she did let a few hours go

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by so that they could do their
job. Police get on the phone and

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they say, look, we went
by the home and everything was fine.

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Knox County Sheriff's officer Stephen Ballard,
was dispatched to complete that welfare check and

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when he arrived, he knocked on
the door. There was no answer,

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so then he rang the doorbell and
he waited and there was no answer.

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So he walked around the backyard and
he saw a small fence surrounding the backyard

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and there was a locked gate.
But when scanning the area, he did

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observe that there was a doghouse in
the backyard, so he whistled for a

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pup to see if a dog would
come, but no dog came either.

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There was no dog, there was
no people. There was no answer.

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So with no sign of anyone,
the officer returned to the front of the

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home and he knocked again. He
rang the doorbell a few times, ding

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ding ding, right, but there
was no response, just as it was

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expected. When he looked around the
front yard, there was a first sale

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sign in the yard and their cars
were in the driveway. Just looking in

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the front door, he could see
that the four year light was on inside

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the home. Total time he was
there for roughly ten minutes, and then

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he left. Now, you know, it's America, y'all. Police do

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not have the right or the authority
to just go kicking down doors because you

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don't answer the door. They might
have been busy, they may not have

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wanted to speak to anyone. Maybe
they were having a marital altercation, right,

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I mean, you never know what's
going on and why, or maybe

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not altercation but discussion. You know, you never know why people aren't answering

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the door. But you're you're allowed
to not answer your door, you know.

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So he went to the backyard.
He's not just gonna go kicking down

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fences and kicking down doors. Nobody
was answering. So while nothing seemed out

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of place, Jennifer Whited knew better. She knew Lisa not only as an

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employee, but she knew her as
a friend, and she wouldn't have ignored

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her calls, not this long.
So as people were becoming more and more

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alarmed, Joel Senior's daughter, Michelle, decided that she was going to go

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to the home if she didn't hear
from them at all during the day.

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So at some point, daughter Michelle
and Julie's boss Jennifer had spoken and they

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decided that, you know, we've
spoken to detectives, We've spoken to the

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police. This is not right.
We're going up there and we are going

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to speak to detectives because this is
really really wrong. It cannot wait.

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They may be in danger. So
Michelle did just that. When she went

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and she spoke to detectives, she
gave the last events that she could remember

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involving her parents. You know,
was there anything a miss Was there anything

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that seemed out of the ordinary,
And she, you know, said,

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no, there was nothing out of
the ordinary. I can't give you any

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advice. I don't know what was
wrong, what is wrong? I know

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there was nothing wrong, But there
was just one thing that did flash in

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her mind as odd and it was
the only thing that really she could think

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of, and it was that her
brother was acting weird. Okay, well,

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how so, and she said,
well, normally he doesn't interact with

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us very much. He doesn't talk
to us. He stays to himself and

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in his room. But this time
at Thanksgiving, she said, he was

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acting completely different. She said,
from the moment that she arrived, he

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was being like talkative. He even
brought down boxes of his favorite things,

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things that he was proud of,
and he was giving them to her kids,

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like games and toys that he liked. And he was just giving away

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things to her kids. And it
was strange, like to say the least,

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and completely out of character. And
so the police are looking at her

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like, all right, well,
the only thing that you think is strange

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is that your brother was being like
nice to everyone. It wasn't exactly the

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evidence of the century, but detectives
did take note. Okay, your brother

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was being nice for once, and
you can see how that's almost kind of

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funny. So on November the twenty
eighth, Detective Jeremy McCord was assigned as

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lead investigator to the case. He
was made aware of the concerned boss's call,

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as well as that welfare check,
and that the welfare check showed nothing.

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Whenever the officer had gone and checked
it out the insistence of the family

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and the boss, though, were
looking like there may be something to it

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though, So Detective McCord a,
Detective Ballard, an officer Jared Graves,

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and an officer Benjamin Gresham went together
back to the Guy residence to conduct an

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additional welfare check. So when they
arrived, they found the same things reported

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by the first officer. When they
looked through the windows, they could see

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the light was on in the foyer, but they also noticed that there were

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groceries on the floor in the foyer. Well, like I said, you

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know, detectives can't just go kicking
down doors because they see groceries on the

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floor. You're not allowed. You
know, if you don't want to answer

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the phone, you don't have to. This is a free, red blooded

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American country, right. What is
taking into consideration though, is the totality

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of the circumstance. Multiple people are
concerned this is out of character behavior.

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They're missing from expected events and locations
that you know, one was supposed to

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be the center of the attention for
that one. You know, the retirement

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party, and you know the expected
events and locations where they should have been

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as well as the fact that the
officers went and spoke to the neighbors,

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and the neighbors even said, look, we haven't seen them either. The

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last time we saw them they were
moving a boat on that Friday after Thanksgiving.

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But the neighbor added something else too, She said, but you know,

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it's not common for both cars to
be in the driveway at the same

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time, she said, because I
mean, Lisa is usually at work during

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the time that the cars remained in
the driveway the last day. So,

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considering the cars in the driveway belonged
to the couple and no one had seen

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them for a while, and the
neighbors even said it was weird that they

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were both there and hadn't moved,
officers deduced that they were at home and

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likely in need of some type of
assistance. So two of the officers climbed

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over the fence in the backyard and
one noticed that the back door when looking

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at it, you know, it
was missing the whole doorknob. It was

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like gone. There was a hole
where it should have been. And even

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stranger was the fact that when the
officers got near the door, the door

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was warm to the touch from the
outside, like heat was pressing through the

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door. One officer even put his
nose up to the hole that where the

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doorknob should have been, and he
smelled something that he described as really strange.

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He couldn't put his finger on it, but it smelled really weird and

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really hot. The officers noticed that
there was a doggy door, and so

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one of them attempted to open it, but the internal portion of that doggy

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door was locked, so they couldn't
go through it. Added to this oddity

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was the fact that there was a
chemical like smell emanating from the home.

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So detective McCord was even quoted as
saying in the moment that he felt very

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odd about the circumstance, and that
he said, there was just something very

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ominous about the situation, even though
he couldn't put his finger on it.

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So, stepping back and thinking about
what they had determined to be the case

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so far, the officer decided to
call the realtor from the sign in the

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front yard and inquire about the fact. You know, isn't there normally a

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lock box holding a key on the
door, because if so, they could

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use that key to get into the
house. So when they got the realtor

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on the phone, the realtor was
even surprised because she was certain that there

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had been one on the door she
put it there. The detective McCord then

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made the observation that the front doorknob
didn't match the dead bolt on the front

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of the door. Looking closer,
it became quickly apparent that someone had removed

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the lock box from the front door
and then replaced that missing doorknob with the

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one that was missing from the back
door where the hole was. So officers

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changed their approach and they decided to
look in the vehicles, and an officer

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was able to see a garage door
opener that was then used to open the

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garage door. So they got into
the cars, press the button, garage

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door raises. Okay, good,
we're into the house without having to make

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damage. Immediately, as that garage
door slowly opened, it was readily apparent

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that something beyond strange was happening in
that house because as the door slowly raised,

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officers could literally feel heat start blasting
out of the home, and they're

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looking at each other and going,
why is it so friggin hot in that

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house? Who would keep their house
this hot? Considering everything noted so far,

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officers decided to enter the residence to
conduct a full welfare check. That

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garage door was unlocked, so officers
turned the knob and they stepped inside.

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Sheriff's office. Hello, Sheriff's office. Anyone home, They're yelling into the

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home, But the house was just
still. Nothing moved, nothing seemed like

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anyone was there. But the smell
and the heat. That was a completely

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different level of another story. So
as the officers stepped inside and they made

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their way through the residence, they
literally felt their skin starting to tingle and

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burn. Officer Graves can be heard
on his body cameras saying out loud,

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and this is a direct quote,
I've entered the gates of hell, you

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know, like a spontaneous statement for
someone to say that, you know,

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it's bad. It was like the
chemicals in the air were combining to make

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a deadly cocktail or something of that
nature. It burned their skin just to

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walk into the home. All over
the floor were bottles and bottles of various

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chemicals, and on the table there
were two wallets and a purse. Now

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this was a concern in that when
most people leave their home they take their

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wallets. So both cars are outside, indicating that the people are home,

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but the people aren't home, but
their wallets and the purse are on the

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table, right. It's weird.
And in the kitchen there was a large

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silver pot, like a huge gumbo
or jumbalaya pot, and the lid was

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on it, and officers noticed as
they walk through that the stove was on.

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It was left on, and it
was on high. I mean,

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it was boiling hot. Both the
stove and the oven were on as if

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it was kind of like someone had
been cooking. And then they just walked

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away from it, but everything was
on high. So moving down the hall,

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officers noticed what appeared to also be
feces all on the living room floor.

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Why would there be feces on the
floor. Why would people be cooking

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and then just leave. You know, this whole situation is strange and it's

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making officers uncomfortable, but they're trying
to clear the home to see if somebody's

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there. Those groceries that were seen
through the window in the foyer, it

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included things like beer, but also
a bunch of perishable items and they were

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in Walmart bags that were brought into
the house but then seemingly never put away.

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Things like chicken and bacon and ice
cream, things that you wouldn't leave

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out like that. Also in the
living room table were a bunch of long

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guns and they were just laid out
on the table. It just didn't make

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sense. The scene did not make
sense. So officers continued up the stairs

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mister and missus guy Sheriff's office Hello. As they moved upwards, they noticed

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that the house was getting even hotter, you know, heat rises, So

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they suddenly and it kind of scared
them, jolted them. They started hearing

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the dog barking, and it was
the couple's beloved pup, Jake. He

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would bark and then he would start
whimpering, and then he would bark and

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then he would start whimpering. And
as detectives made it to the top of

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the stairs, they saw dark red
blood spattered down the wall, and then

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at the top of the landing they
saw clothing and then a multitude of sharp

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instruments and a bucket, and then
next to that there was a reddish brown

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staining on the floors and on the
walls. So scanning the room, the

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blood was going all over the place. So as the officers peered down to

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the end of the hall, detective
McCord locked onto something on the ground that

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when it came into focus, literally
set a shiver up his spine. He

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was staring at a pair of hands, but the thing was they weren't connected

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to a body. It was just
a pair of hands. So looking for

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a rhyme or reason that they were
likely not going to find, they continued

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forward into the home and their detective
McCord entered a bathroom which was attached to

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a bedroom, and he immediately saw
a roll of plastic on the bed and

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other items that were kind of scattered
around the floor. And so he's like

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looking while he's trying to clear this
house. They don't know if there's a

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suspect and they're ready to shoot him. They don't know if someone's hurt or

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what's going on. Imagine their mind's
going ninety to nothing. And so he's

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kind of scanning the room and he
sees this roll of plastic on the bed,

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all these other items like knives and
lights, like working lights, you

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know, like construction construction lights.
And as he's walking through, he then

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comes up on two tubs with what
appeared to be and when I say tubs,

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I mean like big sterilight containers,
like the biggest sterilight containers you can

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buy. He walks up and he
looks in them, and as he looks

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over in it, he sees what
appears to be body parts and they're liquefying

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inside of some substance in the buckets. So horrified and coming to terms with

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the magnitude of the situation, he
realized in that moment that preservation of a

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crime scene was paramount. So he
made the decision all officers needed to immediately

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back out of the home in the
same path that they had entered. So

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the home they, you know,
were trying to clear, had not been

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cleared, and by clear, I
mean made safe. But it was evident

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that something horrific was at play here, something demonic had happened, and an

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emergency was occurring, and someone very
dangerous was responsible. So after exiting the

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home tactically for safety reasons, they
set up a perimeter outside. Right,

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they put up the tape and so
nobody can come into this crime scene.

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And it was determined at that time
that officers had to go back inside to

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secure the weapons that they had seen
on the counter. Remember those long guns

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that were laid out. The officer
said, we got to go in there,

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and we've got to secure those,
because you would not want to leave

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weapons readily available, you know,
to a clearly crazed killer, if you

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know that person were still held up
inside of the home. So during their

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exit, they had heard noise and
movement upstairs that they hadn't identified for certain,

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So it was decided that Officer Graves
and Detective McCord would enter the home

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together as a team. I'm certain
that this was done with one providing cover

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for the other, and that they
would go into, you know, secure

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those firearms, which you definitely want
to have someone have in your back while

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you're taking your eyes off of the
scene and not able to see what's around

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you while you're picking up the firearms. So as they methodically and carefully moved

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through the home, eyes open and
they're scanning for threats, they heard the

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noise again from upstairs that they had
heard before, but they did determine it

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to be just the dog, you
know, that dog they had heard barking

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when they originally entered. So they
grabbed the weapons and they got them secured

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and both men made their exit.
But as they were exiting, Officer Graves

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pointed to the stove and motioned to
how much heat was emanating from that huge

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pot on the stove. Well,
remember how I said it seemed that someone

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had been cooking in the kitchen.
Well I could not have been more literal,

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because on his way out of the
home, Detective McCord opened the pot

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that was there on the stove,
and there rolling in the boiling water was

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the head of miss Lisa Guy.
Now, I have photos from the crime

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scene that I'm going to place on
my Patreon for members. If you go

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look there, if you want to
really assess the gravity of what I've just

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told you. This is not a
horror movie. This is real life.

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Imagine being the officers to stumble upon
this and then be expected to act that,

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you know, like it's no big
deal and like it's just part of

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the job. I officers, y'all, they're people. There are people just

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like you and literally me, And
it's almost like people think, just because

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you know it's the job, that
it's not supposed to be a big deal,

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and officers, you know, just
have to go through these motions and

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they should get used to this,
y'all. No one should ever get used

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to seeing someone's decapitated head boiling in
a pot on the stove, and if

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they do, they need to get
out of the job like yesterday. That

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can't become business as usual. There's
no way, you know. And just

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because officers see the worst of people
day in and day out doesn't mean that

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they're expendable and that this is like
just what they signed up for. One

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officer was quoted as saying, direct
quote, I will never get those smells

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out of my head or my dreams. He was long term affected by what

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he had seen walking through that house. So what had started as a missing

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person welfare check situation had quickly evolved
into a nightmarish situation with an unthinkable outcome.

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What in the world had happened to
the guy couple? So as CSI

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processed the crime scene and detectives in
the case tried to make sense of the

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situation, the focus shifted from what
happened to more of who did this?

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And there was a sick and twisted
killer in the area and that person needed

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to be apprehended, and they needed
to be apprehended quickly. So, as

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we all know, motives are usually
pretty predictable, sex, revenge, or

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money. They had to figure out
who had the motive, who had the

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ability to complete such an atrocity upon
two good people. Next episode, I'm

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going to lay it all out for
you. The guy couple may have lost

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their lives, but someone who thought
they won was on the run. Surely,

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though the culprit, didn't think it
was going to be over that easy.

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Because that's the thing about them tables. They always be turning