March 8, 2026

DTL -The Interviews: David Mcdavid

DTL -The Interviews: David Mcdavid
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Season 9

In this episode of DTL, David Mcdavid, former Zachary Chief of Police and Detective during DTL’s reign of terror, sits down with Kelly Jennings for an exclusive interview.

Hosted by Kelly Jennings and produced by the experts at Envision Podcast Productions.

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In the sultry heat of Louisiana, where the Bayous whisper

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secrets and the air hangs heavy with the scent of magnolias,

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a darkness lurked beneath the surface. Derrick Todd Lee was

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a man whose charm masked a sinister reality.

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He was a monster.

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Lee, a seemingly ordinary man with a disarming smile, led

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a double life that would unravel in a series of

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murders in the capital city of Baton Rouge and the

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surrounding areas. As the first reports of disappearances and murders

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began to surface, South Louisiana was thrust into a nightmare,

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igniting a frantic search for answers. The true horror was

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just beginning, and the hunt for a serial killer, eventually

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known by just three letters, would reveal not only the

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depths of Dereck Todd Lee's depravity, but also the resilience

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of those most affected by his evil acts, the families

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and the survivors.

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This is DTM.

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I have former Chief of Police of Zachary, Louisiana and

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now Mayor of Zachary, Mayor David McDavid with me, and

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I'm so excited to have you here.

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I'm honored to be here.

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That means a lot.

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And as someone who's made an entire career out of

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law enforcement, and then sitting across you know here, I

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am someone who has studied law enforcement.

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I've taught for so many years. This is like meeting

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a celebrity.

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And I mean that with all sincerity that I really

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appreciate you taking the time to come talk to me.

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Thank you. I'm a very humble person and that means

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a lot to me.

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Good. I appreciate that so much.

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So can you start out here for people that maybe

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are not local because this podcast is global.

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I mean we have listeners all the way in Dubai.

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So can you tell a little bit about you and

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how you came into law enforcement and kind of what

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what made you want to become a law enforcement.

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Well it out, you know in high school I played

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baseball and that in high school and former chief and

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my former first partner was John Herdie, who was always

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into our schools, would follow us to you know, teens

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and you know, different events and stuff like that, and

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he'd always showed up our games. And when I graduated

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in May of eighty three, I was looking for a

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little something to do, and come January of eighty eighth,

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they had openings as reserves for entire police department. So

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I put it in my application there and got accepted

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as reserve officer. In nineteen eighty four, I was just

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out of high school and I had a young son

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and that I was looking for a career, but at

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the time they didn't really have many openings. But also

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was a volunteer and fireman too, so I was you know,

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testing to both of the waters there with both departments,

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and you know, I got approached in nineteen ninety I'm sorry,

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nineteen eighty seven they were forming a task force, drug

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task force, and that they were possibly going to hire me,

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you know, to work in that in nineteen eighty seven,

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but it wasn't until you know, January nineteen eighty eight

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they hired me full time and sent me to the

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police Academy down to Lshoe. Yeah, and you know, my

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career took off from there. I worked my way up

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through the ranks. I started out in patrol, worked under

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cover for a couple of years. I think I'll showed

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you all the photograph of me working undercover. We went

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back to uniform patrol in ninety three, ninety two, ninety three.

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In ninety four, I was brought back into detectives with

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my partner, Sergeant Lewis Banks and that and we worked

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in our detectives until twenty ten. He retiredly later on

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I was moved up as you know, the chief of

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detectives that they call it, and I spent my career

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there till twenty eleven. My former partner, Chief John Hrdy,

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was the chief at the time, but passed away, and

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I had to make a decision if I wanted to

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stay in detectives or I wanted to be chief. We

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had to discussed meat later on running because you know,

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he knew what my goals were and what I was

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looking to do, and you know, being from Zachary, I

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knew everybody there. So I made a decision to run.

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You know, I had to resign and run and and

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you know, November second of that year, I became chief.

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I was elected by the people of Zachary and I

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became chief. It was awesome, It was a great honor.

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You know, I spent thirty four years plus the four

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years as a reserve, you know, with the police department.

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All together, I've been with the city since I was twelve.

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You know, back when I was twelve, we were cleaning

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out ditches and that to have them concreted. We worked

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on ball fields and that's what I did up til

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I was sixteen years old. So actually I've been in

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the city for a long time. But to be elected chief,

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and the people of Zachary have that to give me

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that honor to be their chief was awesome. I spent

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eleven years there and you know, I had thirty four

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years in I was looking at retirement, you know, it

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was time to maybe move on do something else, and

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I was approach to running for mayors city of z Achary,

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and I looked at the numbers and people were hitting

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me up in that I looked at the numbers. They

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looked good. I was at between thirty five and forty

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two percent already, and I was just making sure. At

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that time, you know, the police department were getting battered

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pretty bad because of you know, of something going on

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around the United States. And I said at you know,

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police Farmers Rover liked at sixty percent. I was looking

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good there too. I want to make sure that I was,

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you know, could be electable and and I was, and

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then I was, you know, became mayor of in January

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twenty twenty three.

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And you're loving it and you're doing a good job.

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Thank you. I love it. It's great to you know, to

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get back to the city. I teach my kids that

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my dad worked for the city. You know, he worked

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for the railroad, but he worked for the city, forest

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parks and recreations for a while. And you know, my mama,

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you know, worked for Breakfast over fifty years. Just retire.

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So we tried to. They instilled in me about giving

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back to the city. And I do the same thing

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with my kids, and they do a lot, both of them,

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you know, do a lot. I just got back in Currville.

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My middle son. We fed, you know, the flood victims

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and the families over there, and they know that we

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try to get back and we do a lot to help.

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You can tell a servant's heart when you told me

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from the jump that you did volunteer firefighting and you're

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in the reserve for the for the police. That's a

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servant's heart, you can tell, because those are jobs that

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you have to want to do, you know, it's not something.

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You just try and a whole lot of pay there,

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but it got a lot of training, a lot of

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things that led me up to my career. And well,

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you know, yeah, just you know, getting to go to

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the FBI Academy DA Drug Commander School was an awesome event.

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I just set my goals and I look forward to it.

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And it took me seven eight years to realize what

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I really wanted to do and where I wanted to go.

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And I did that, and you know, I started my

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you know, degree in law enforcement in nineteen ninety. He

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didn't finish it until twenty seventeen because.

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The kid, it takes a minute work in school.

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But I was like, I always instill them, get your degree,

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have something fall back on. They have and they've been successful.

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And I finished mine in twenty seventeen.

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Well that's awesome.

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You know, never stop learning, and we can always I

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don't care. You know, I have degrees, you know, and

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all that, and if I tell my kids, that's a

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piece of paper on the wall for yourself. But when

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you get out in the workforce, you got to prove

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yourself and you got to be good at what you

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do and stay the course.

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So how old are you mind asking you.

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That I'll be sixty in three weeks.

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Sixty and three weeks and still continuing to get that

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education even with all the experience under your belt.

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That's awesome.

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So I have you here today because we want to

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talk about the infamous Derek Todd Lee cases that that

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went you know global everybody was talking about this back

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in the day, and we met before, and I told

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you I was in college when this was happening. I

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was of the age of a lot of these victims

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too that he chose, And so I wanted to start

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way back, Okay, where I think there's I had so

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many questions that I don't think a lot of media

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have covered, and so this may seem minute, but it

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matters to me. But this all seemed to start with

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peeping Tom cases or or reports that came out. Lots

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of peeping Tom situation. So before Connie Warner was killed,

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I had that she had filed a peeping Tom report

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before she was killed.

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If my Rememory Craig, I was in uniform patrol then

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and they had that. You know, I grew up around

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Connie Warner, the street my mama live is on now.

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Her her parents lived there, and she was living there

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for a while, her daughter came down my little sister.

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You know, Line, you're younger than me, so you know,

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they grew up together and we knew them, and you know,

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but you know, that's why the case was kind of

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personal to me because of what happened. I knew she

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filed that report, but also you know, I knew the

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you know, the incident happened with her in ninety two

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also and all of ninety two.

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Right. Do you did you personally take any peeping Tom

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reports in that area when you were working patrol?

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No? I did not. I don't remember that taking any,

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But I mean I knew the area and you know,

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all the streets and there are biblical and that was

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kind of you know, you look at that too when

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all that's going on or what's really going on in

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that area. But you know, when we mentioned before about

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a serial killer and we got kind of a little

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pushback on that, but you know, it started adding up.

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Whenever a peeping Tom report in general is taken. What

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are the women and I'm going to say women because

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are victims in this one of women? What are they

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typically saying when you show up?

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Is there like a typical.

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Or do you know about any of these reports that

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the women that complained it, like at the apartment complex

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and all of that, was there a was there a

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standard way they were saying what was happening.

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Basically, if you go back in ninety seven where he

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was peeping in Willow Creek in that area, which is

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right down the street from where all the murders happened

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at you know, he was standing in one of them

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was complaining. He was standing in the kid's baby pool

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looking in the window. He was looking in another woman's

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window that was behind Connie Warner's house. She was a

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single female. Most of these houses he was picking on

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were single females.

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And so when he was peeping, was it like covert

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peeping or was he being very blatant?

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I think he was most of them, what I read

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and remember, being blakely.

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They could see, okay, So they were seeing a face

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and they were seeing him.

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They just were like, we don't know why he's hearing

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what he's doing. Okay.

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So that peeping Tom report was made, and then we

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come to July of nineteen ninety two.

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Can you tell me.

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As far as walking in you did the actual investigation

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on Connie's home?

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Correct?

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Or no, I did die. I was in uniform patrol.

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I helped canvas the area. Then you know, the detectives

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were involved in it. Ninety two okay.

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So real quick.

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So the call comes in, we've got a murder. They

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know that it's a murder. So you're in uniform patrol.

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What happens?

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It comes over the radio, We need additional units and

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kind of help out.

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They started out as a missing person's report due to

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the fact what they saw at the crime scene, the

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fact that her vehicle was used to transport the body,

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due to the body fluids and different things we saw

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in the car and that. So I was asked to

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go out in Camus the neighborhood. We looked in there,

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you know, talked to different people, reported back to the detectives.

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You know, for a couple of years they worked on

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the case. I got moved back into tectas in ninety four.

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And before that we had another case before that, which

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is including as the graveyard where two teenagers were attacked

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in the graveyard in nineteen ninety I'm sorry, I.

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Was in April of ninety three, I believe.

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Yeah, April ninety three. Then we had another burgery in

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the area in ninety two, which is White down the

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street from where these murders happened at too.

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So after Connie's went missing, there was another burglary, Yes,

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in the same neighborhood.

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Yes, yes it was, and what was taken? Do you know?

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The homeowner came home and later identified as Dereck Todd

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Lee was in the house and he was claiming he's

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looking for somebody. When the homeowner confront of him, he

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ran out, ran down the street, went to the graveyard,

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jumped in his vehicle and took off north on Oa

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Cny kighway, you know, away from the where the murders

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happened at and whether it's happened at. We were able

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to stop him down the road and arresting him, and

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we booked him in jail for you know, simple burglary, habit,

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dwelling and resistant.

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Rest of my flight, what street was that burglary on?

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On Eagle Street? If you if you come out of

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Eagle you look to your left, Oak Shadows is down

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a little bit close to the graveyard, now, I mean

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within walking distance of each other.

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Yeah, And so that was something just on a personal

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level here that I'd never realized how close. All of

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this took This was an absolute hunting ground that he

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was frequenting. So whenever you knew Connie's daughter correct during

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this time personally, and so what was the air about?

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What was it like talking with her and knowing that,

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knowing her and knowing her mama?

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I mean, you know it's at his home. I mean

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you you grew up around them and you know them,

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and I was you know, I lived by them since

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I was twelve up to seventeen years old, and you know,

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you knew them, and you know the daughter, you knew

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her and she took dance with my sister and they

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knew each other real well. And you know it bothered me.

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I mean, you know because what was miss Connie like?

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I mean she was a very simple lady who you know,

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was had her pride was her daughter, and she took

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care of a daughter. She's had all the football games

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and the daughter took cheerleading. I mean she was there

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and involved and knowing her parents were great people and

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her dad's still living today.

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Oh really, yes, was miss Connie? Do you remember much?

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I know you were young, but was she a hugger?

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Was she did she just say? Hey?

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Was she she's she was quiet, but she said, hey,

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I mean, you know, I didn't know her that well

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on the hugging end of it, but I mean I

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knew her and that and then you know, they moved

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over to Oak Shadows and you know where the incident

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happened at.

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Yeah, yep, gotcha.

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So I know that.

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Then the the hurricane hit, which what was the thought

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whenever she was missing originally?

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What were what was the do you.

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Remember what the original avenue was of what they thought?

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Did they from the top say they thought that she

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was kidnapped?

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I don't remember what all the detectors at the time

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work in the case said, but I mean I know that, uh,

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you know, due to the amount of blood and thing

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it was. You know, it was a violent attack in

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the house. It started in the bedroom. You could see

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where the her uh hill, not her pillow, but her

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mattress was you know, pushed aside. It appears she wanted

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to get something out of the uh the night stand.

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Uh.

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You know, you could see there were squabbling there, you know.

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Then there was uh, you know, some bloods found by

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the washing dryer, which she never goes out that door,

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you know, so that was on you know that was

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kind of off there. I think she was I think

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was she crossing it and I think she was doing

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something like that, and she got up and evidently asked

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the door, and that's when it happened.

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And that seemed to be a common theme amongst all

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of these victims, is a knock at the door, is

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your husband home? Or do you know Montgomery or something

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of that nature.

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So when you did you go in the house? Was

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Connie's house? No?

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I did not at the time.

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I did not know, Okay, the only.

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Because when I was looking through just some of the photos,

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which were very limited in scope, I only saw like

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little droplets of blood.

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So do you think maybe a broken note?

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Like did they think she I mean, I know she

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had a damaged to her skull obviously when they found her.

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Was there a belief that maybe he struck her in

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the face and that's when they were fighting off.

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I don't remember seeing that in the reports. I know

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that there was blood mixed along with you know, fluid

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body fluids in the car on the back seat of

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the car, and you know, that was a pretty good

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bit of out there. I think there was some hair

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and maybe some other stuff on the the trunk of

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the car also, if I remember correctly, and you know,

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so it was a good bit of mouth there, didn't,

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you know, like I say.

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You know, and it was just obvious that something terrible

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had hapened, correct, all right, and so but at that

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time he was not.

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The go to suspect at that time.

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No, I think they were checking people in the area.

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You know, we're getting a lot of tips in. They

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were checking the area. They were flying the area looking,

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you know for a body in the area to see, uh,

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you know, what they could do. And they were interviewing

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different people that might be you know, a suspect or

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our tips were coming in in that and you know,

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they did that, you know, for a while for a

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couple of years.

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So then the attack on Michelle in the graveyard occurs,

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and that was Troy U.

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Banks correct that.

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Yes, Troy you Banks was an officer on duty that night.

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I remember that night correctly because, uh, you know, the

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church I go to was first Baptist caught on fire

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from lightning strike and he had passed by the graveyard

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and saw domelight on so he pulled in and the

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attacker ran off.

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When he saw him, he physically saw him him run off.

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Yes, he physically saw him run off, but before he

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ran off, he reached back in the car and grabbed

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the set of keys and took off kind of in

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a kind of a no west northwest direction.

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Okay, because I'm just challenged directionally right now. If I'm

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looking at the cemetery from the main road, did he

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run towards Connie's neighborhood or did he run off that

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other direction?

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No, you can tell where he came from Connie's neighborhood

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because there were some fishing poles and some clothing to

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where he possibly went into a shed in that area

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and was coming back from there, and this was the

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opportunity when he saw him in the graveyard. He ran

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more toward the ballpark, which is now you know, kind

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of a you know, south southwest area, you know.

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But he took off you know that way, all right,

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And so obviously that was a very horrific scene at

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at the car.

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So what did he do exactly? Do you know? I mean,

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how do you want?

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I know that? You know from looking at the initial

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reports and going back over the case, he had boughted

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like like a big hack blade it is alone handle blade,

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and he went in the car and started hacking on them.

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I mean he caught them up pretty good, and that

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I think because Troy u aints come there. They lived

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to tell the story.

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He saved their lives, whether he realized it or not,

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just being aware.

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And he not a nod to good policing, just a

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don't light catches your attention and you drive in when

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you could have just kept going. So after the attacks,

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I know, it was a little while before Michelle was

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able to do the sketch and all that kind of stuff.

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Did y'all have any.

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Leads on that one that you thought maye or were

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y'all just like looking for maybe sex offenders in areas.

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Sketching If you look at it right here, that's what

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she did. It was a sketch which is pretty much

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right on. It matched the one from Saint Martinville. And

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what I did was, when I got moved back into

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the Texas in ninety four, I began looking at all

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the cases. Now you got to think about, Zachar We're

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a small town. Not only we worked in cases, we

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worked drugs, We work the else and everything. So you know,

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we're pretty much three man team working out of that office.

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My supervisor and my partner.

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So there were three detectives at the time.

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My supervisor was Bernie Taylor, my partner was Lewis Banks,

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and it was me and that's we you know, we

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worked everything. So you you worked that, and you know

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I began working the cases. And if you go right

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here and you look at this, you know my lineup

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police report. I did a lineup with Derek Toddy Lee

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and the show up to Michelle in ninety nine, so

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you know, she picked him out. I began a warrant,

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got it all a warrant and everything, and then brought

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the warrt down there in the DA's offices. You know

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the statue of limitations that ran out owned attempt to

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murder I think it was. And I was just for it,

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and I said, you know, here she is. She's picked

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him out. You know, you know, hey, you know it

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didn't bother me because she picked him out. I thought

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we had him, but statue limitations run out so they

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wouldn't sign a warrant.

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And I know, look, I believe in the constitution, as

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the most law enforcement people, I believe in in rights

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and all that, but sometimes it just seems that it's

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helping the wrong person, protecting the wrong.

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I think we get him off the street then, but you.

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Know, it's you know, so then I saw in some

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of the paperwork too. Now we're talking just February of

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nineteen ninety seven. Was a Sergeant Ennis. He lived in

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that neighborhood and he was patrolling the same neighborhood and

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he ended up giving a ride.

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Yes, he still lives there today. Yeah, I talked to

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him yesterday. But yeah, he was patrolling. He was at

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the corner I think around Randy Meeber's house. He had

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some gloves, only had a knife in his pocket. He

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was just checking him because all the insigns in the area.

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He's out of my vehicle broke down. I'm looking for

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so so and so in here, couldn't find him. But

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he brought it back to his vehicle, which was right

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now Jet's food mark. But it was like a little

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honky tonk bar there in that area. He had parked there,

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and you know, and he gave him a ride and

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he took off went home, saying his bigger went start

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but it started up.

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He started right I read that to it started right up,

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and he noted that, and it's these small things that

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become the big things over.

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Time, the smallest detail.

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So and then he had said I believe I read

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that he told Sergeant Innes he was going to his

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girlfriends to use the phone, but he didn't know her name,

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and he didn't know where she lived.

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But there's nothing illegal about that.

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No, no, it wasn't and it is what he became reverlent.

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Right after that, in July I think ninety seven, we

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had another peeping tom in the area, which started out

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the house behind Corney Warner. A single female lady was

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there with her child and he was peeping in her

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window on what street. I think that was Debbie if

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I remember it, Debbie is right behind there. I got

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to go back and look, that's yeah, that's where. Matter

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of fact, my sergeant lived in there too, which is

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Lewis Banks also lived in there. You had four or

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five cops in that area at one time during these instance,

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it was a lot of cops in that area. So

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we got the call. I got called out the night

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being a detective. We chased him from there all the

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way down to Willow Creek, which is Willow Creek. It's

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about a maybe less than a quarter mile from Eagleble

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and Oak Shadows area that he was standing in the

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baby pool looking and one of there, you know, So

487
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we go that area, I swing around and go up

488
00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:08.640
Rollins and come down Finwood. As I come down Fenwood,

489
00:21:08.640 --> 00:21:10.799
I turn on Eagle which you know where the burkery

490
00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:13.799
happened at, and he crosses a road in front of me,

491
00:21:14.359 --> 00:21:17.440
going to the wooded area, heading back towards the south

492
00:21:17.960 --> 00:21:20.920
toward you know, he was on the east side of

493
00:21:20.960 --> 00:21:23.279
the road, but heading south, back toward you know where

494
00:21:23.319 --> 00:21:25.559
he parked his vehicle at. So we set up a

495
00:21:25.599 --> 00:21:27.200
p Remember, hey, I'm let him know. Hey, he's went

496
00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:30.119
into the wooded area. He's dressing all black and that.

497
00:21:30.640 --> 00:21:32.720
So we set up in the wooden area. We backed

498
00:21:32.759 --> 00:21:35.839
out and that's when we got a call from serganinis Hey,

499
00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:39.640
look I dealt with this guy possibly back in February

500
00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.519
ninety seven. This is what he's driving, and this is

501
00:21:42.640 --> 00:21:44.799
where I brought him to. Sure enough, we found a

502
00:21:44.839 --> 00:21:48.160
vehicle there. We block it in. So we backed out

503
00:21:49.519 --> 00:21:52.279
and you know, we kind of in the area. We

504
00:21:52.720 --> 00:21:54.880
there was a building there, it's not there now. We

505
00:21:54.960 --> 00:21:56.720
see him stick his head around the building and look

506
00:21:56.759 --> 00:22:00.960
at us. So he takes off again, so we backed out.

507
00:22:01.000 --> 00:22:02.880
We got one of the guys got night dishing, so

508
00:22:02.880 --> 00:22:04.559
we're all kind of back down there. He got in

509
00:22:04.599 --> 00:22:07.480
the area in the graveyard where here he comes, and

510
00:22:07.559 --> 00:22:09.240
we're able to get him right there in the graveyard

511
00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:11.559
and arrest him for the Pevy Times of ninety seven.

512
00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:13.519
So what did he say when you're when you're taking

513
00:22:13.559 --> 00:22:14.559
this guy into custody?

514
00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.559
What is He didn't say a whole lot. He would,

515
00:22:17.720 --> 00:22:19.720
you know, he just mumbled a bunch of stuff, but

516
00:22:20.559 --> 00:22:22.359
he just didn't say a whole lot. He was very,

517
00:22:22.519 --> 00:22:23.119
very crafty.

518
00:22:23.599 --> 00:22:26.799
He wasn't combative, No, not really not nice. I'm not

519
00:22:26.839 --> 00:22:27.200
saying he was.

520
00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:29.079
Nice yet, I mean he I mean, he knew we

521
00:22:29.160 --> 00:22:31.279
had him that night. He knew that. I mean, we

522
00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:34.400
had him dead right, and you know, he was dressed nice,

523
00:22:34.799 --> 00:22:36.759
you know, but you know, I considered he was out

524
00:22:36.759 --> 00:22:39.920
there trolling and he was living for his next victim. Wow,

525
00:22:40.119 --> 00:22:41.000
that's what he was working on.

526
00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:46.480
And that woman hindsight twenty twenty, still living there and

527
00:22:46.599 --> 00:22:49.640
things continue to happen around her. And did she do

528
00:22:49.680 --> 00:22:53.200
you think that she ever put that into figured out

529
00:22:53.200 --> 00:22:53.759
it's the same.

530
00:22:53.680 --> 00:22:56.480
Guy that Oh yeah, I mean it was became obvious,

531
00:22:56.519 --> 00:22:59.720
especially after the random mem Brewer craze. That became obvious.

532
00:23:00.119 --> 00:23:05.559
So before Randy though, was usual a Waffontaine's murder. Do

533
00:23:05.680 --> 00:23:06.759
you have any insight to that.

534
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:08.200
I know a little bit about it. I don't know.

535
00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:10.279
I know it was down there towards South. I don't

536
00:23:10.319 --> 00:23:12.000
know much about it. It wasn't shared a lot with

537
00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:13.319
us in that case.

538
00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:18.119
Okay, So then I have it's a July around ninety seven.

539
00:23:18.240 --> 00:23:20.359
That's whenever this peeping tom standing in the in the

540
00:23:20.440 --> 00:23:23.000
baby pool was There was another one too, right, because

541
00:23:23.000 --> 00:23:24.559
I had there was two peep in Tom report.

542
00:23:24.680 --> 00:23:26.599
Yeah, I think there's one on Debbie which was behind

543
00:23:26.640 --> 00:23:28.279
County Warner's house. Every it might have been a couple

544
00:23:28.359 --> 00:23:29.359
more in there, and I have to go back and

545
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:30.319
refer to my files.

546
00:23:30.359 --> 00:23:33.200
But this was like a known issue of this peeping

547
00:23:33.279 --> 00:23:35.240
tom and was there a feeling that it's the same

548
00:23:35.319 --> 00:23:39.039
guy doing this and it was him? Like did everyone

549
00:23:39.079 --> 00:23:41.359
say it's him, it's the same guy that control in

550
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:41.880
the same area.

551
00:23:41.960 --> 00:23:45.200
Yeah, Yeah, it became obvious, and it really became very

552
00:23:45.279 --> 00:23:47.680
obvious after the Maybeare case.

553
00:23:47.759 --> 00:23:51.880
August of nineteen ninety nine. There's three separate women that

554
00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:56.720
complain in the Saint Francisville Square apartments of a peeping tom.

555
00:23:56.839 --> 00:23:58.519
Correct, that's my understanding.

556
00:23:58.599 --> 00:24:01.359
Yes, okay, did you work any of those No.

557
00:24:01.559 --> 00:24:03.759
I did some some veils in that area because of

558
00:24:04.039 --> 00:24:06.319
you know, our case would Runny Meburer, because we got

559
00:24:06.400 --> 00:24:09.519
worried about that, and we watched the area there, and

560
00:24:10.200 --> 00:24:14.440
you know, we the scary part was we saw a

561
00:24:14.519 --> 00:24:19.000
female and she had a window open and wasn't dressed too.

562
00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:21.039
You know, well that night and uh, you know, we're

563
00:24:21.079 --> 00:24:22.839
doing surveillance in the area there, and I thought that

564
00:24:23.039 --> 00:24:25.799
was odd. I mean, and I wonder why he's picking

565
00:24:25.880 --> 00:24:27.759
on that area now. But yeah, we were in that

566
00:24:27.839 --> 00:24:30.440
area a good bit doing surveillance with at Wesley Shannon

567
00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:30.599
on that.

568
00:24:30.839 --> 00:24:33.160
So let's go back now to Randy's house. So we're

569
00:24:33.200 --> 00:24:35.559
back in the neighborhood where Connie was killed. We're just

570
00:24:35.640 --> 00:24:38.519
a street over now and we're on Saul And so.

571
00:24:40.839 --> 00:24:42.640
You did go in on that case, correct.

572
00:24:43.079 --> 00:24:45.440
I was out of town playing Soft Falls in New Iberia.

573
00:24:46.160 --> 00:24:49.200
My partner, who lived in the neighborhoods Sargeant Lewis Banks,

574
00:24:49.279 --> 00:24:50.759
called me and said, look, we got a murder here.

575
00:24:50.880 --> 00:24:54.240
She's missing and of course, you know, dealing with this guy.

576
00:24:54.359 --> 00:24:56.799
I said, you know who it is, and I know

577
00:24:56.920 --> 00:24:59.400
who it is. You know when we get there, you know,

578
00:24:59.440 --> 00:25:01.200
we talked about went in the house and you know

579
00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:03.839
it was a struggle in the bedroom. Uh you know,

580
00:25:04.279 --> 00:25:06.599
her body was dragged into the living room area.

581
00:25:06.720 --> 00:25:08.759
Do you think that he do you think the women

582
00:25:08.839 --> 00:25:11.319
were running to their bedrooms? And that's what I always started.

583
00:25:11.039 --> 00:25:12.920
There, I think, so I think of where you know,

584
00:25:12.960 --> 00:25:14.559
they were trying to find somewhere to you know, to

585
00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:18.400
ride or get away or locked itself out and uh,

586
00:25:18.599 --> 00:25:20.640
you unless he let himself in or he got in

587
00:25:20.799 --> 00:25:22.599
on her, you know, And we'll go in that a

588
00:25:22.680 --> 00:25:25.119
minute about but you could see where her body was

589
00:25:25.200 --> 00:25:28.359
drugged into the living room area. Uh you know then

590
00:25:28.519 --> 00:25:32.200
you know, eventually taking her car was used to you know,

591
00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:34.799
remove the body which we never had found. And the

592
00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:37.000
baby was home, yes, the little boys in the home.

593
00:25:37.119 --> 00:25:40.039
You can see where the killer looked into the bedroom

594
00:25:40.240 --> 00:25:43.119
had blood on the door and that where his room was.

595
00:25:43.240 --> 00:25:45.519
And uh you know, so like leaned on the doorframe

596
00:25:45.599 --> 00:25:53.519
and peeked in kind of situation. And so Randy's body

597
00:25:53.680 --> 00:25:56.279
was drug into the living room. Was she raped in

598
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:56.960
the living room.

599
00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.559
I don't know, I know, I don't I'd have to

600
00:25:59.599 --> 00:26:01.720
go back, and you know the forensic reports, I don't

601
00:26:01.799 --> 00:26:04.799
think so. But you know, all right, I know, I

602
00:26:04.920 --> 00:26:07.079
give it a struggle. I know in the bedroom you

603
00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:08.920
had blood splatters on the wall and stuff like that

604
00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:11.720
in the area, and uh, you know, it was pretty

605
00:26:11.799 --> 00:26:13.759
violent attack in the bedroom and then drug in their

606
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.400
thinks she lost the contact that in the area. Also,

607
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.440
you know, we started looking around, you know, with females,

608
00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:21.440
you know them and understand them. And she had a

609
00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:25.759
brand new thing of roses in the garbage can. Also

610
00:26:25.839 --> 00:26:28.200
in there was a lottery ticket and we knew that

611
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:30.720
she was alive because she evidently looked at that lottery

612
00:26:30.799 --> 00:26:33.559
ticket is underneath the flowers, and I think the lottery

613
00:26:34.000 --> 00:26:35.880
went on at nine fifty nine that night or something

614
00:26:35.920 --> 00:26:38.119
like that when it first started out, and that was

615
00:26:38.200 --> 00:26:40.720
underneath the flowers. But we I said, you know, why

616
00:26:40.759 --> 00:26:43.920
would a woman go away these fresh flowers like this,

617
00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:45.920
you know, unless something happened in the relationship. And we

618
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:48.599
we went through you know, the people she dated, and

619
00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:50.720
our were the guys she was dating at the time,

620
00:26:50.759 --> 00:26:53.039
and yeah, I gave them flowers to her, but I

621
00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:54.759
didn't throw them away out that she was mad at

622
00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:56.799
me about anything, but they were in the garbage, so

623
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:58.599
they tell you. You could see there was a clean

624
00:26:58.680 --> 00:27:00.400
up in the area too. There were a lot of

625
00:27:00.480 --> 00:27:02.759
chemicals of chlorox in that route and about you know,

626
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:04.920
you know, little sprays here and there, kind.

627
00:27:04.839 --> 00:27:07.359
Of you're saying he cleaned up, correct, that's.

628
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:10.720
Where unless unless he cleaned up earlier or something let

629
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:12.960
it out. But it appeared that he cleaned up some. Yeah,

630
00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:15.920
you know, you know it, so you know, it's just

631
00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.559
the way it went about. Uh.

632
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.880
You know, there was also blood out the doorway. I

633
00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:22.799
saw the photos.

634
00:27:23.200 --> 00:27:26.599
Yeah, he drug her out and the later on down

635
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:28.319
if you look at the you know, Warren I had

636
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:31.519
right here for him, uh you know, February of uh

637
00:27:31.680 --> 00:27:33.279
and I don't have the date here at the Fairway

638
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.519
eleventh Uh. We booked him uh Fairrwuey level four. I

639
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.960
was able to get DNA off of the pink garbage

640
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:43.799
bag that was left in the blood right there at

641
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.319
by the front door. I was had to get his

642
00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.200
DNA off of that and charged him the first remurder.

643
00:27:48.200 --> 00:27:50.079
They never went to trial in that case because they

644
00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:52.759
already had the other cases and convictions. So you know,

645
00:27:52.799 --> 00:27:54.440
that was just a stand by in case we needed

646
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:55.279
to go to another case.

647
00:27:55.480 --> 00:27:58.240
And you want a solid, solid case that slam Duncan.

648
00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:01.000
Yeah, I mean his DNA was on that so yeah, yeah,

649
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:03.680
but they had other cases were was already convicted, you know,

650
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.000
and so you know, we did our murder scene and

651
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.200
you know, talking to the Warner family, I think they

652
00:28:09.240 --> 00:28:12.599
felt like he was also the you know, the killer

653
00:28:12.640 --> 00:28:15.640
in their case. You know, you talk about Hurricane Andrew

654
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:17.640
coming in in ninety two and wiped out a lot

655
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:19.960
of evidence in that where her body was found.

656
00:28:20.279 --> 00:28:22.200
We have all the women that are complaining and those

657
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:27.279
women at the apartment complex. They also picked him out

658
00:28:28.079 --> 00:28:30.240
of photos from what something I read. I know that

659
00:28:30.319 --> 00:28:31.160
wasn't your case, but.

660
00:28:31.240 --> 00:28:33.960
They they might have. I I said, we worked a

661
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.039
lot with Western Shanna. You know. The guy that was

662
00:28:37.039 --> 00:28:39.720
working with us a lot was Archer Lee No no,

663
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:42.759
yeah there, yeah. He took the state and he I

664
00:28:42.799 --> 00:28:44.279
mean he'd been working there. He worked for the town

665
00:28:44.279 --> 00:28:46.200
in Saint Franceville for a long time until he transferred

666
00:28:46.200 --> 00:28:48.400
over to the West Siana. He helps us a lot

667
00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:50.079
in the case. He knows his area, and you know,

668
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:51.680
we were able to work with him a lot and

669
00:28:52.200 --> 00:28:53.839
get a lot of information from them also.

670
00:28:54.759 --> 00:28:56.839
Okay, so.

671
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.480
By this point I guess it's clear to say by

672
00:29:00.559 --> 00:29:04.720
this point that by the time Randy was murdered, Yes, y'all.

673
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:07.240
Knew who he was. You knew in your gut. You knew,

674
00:29:08.720 --> 00:29:11.319
and so it was just a matter of what was

675
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:13.400
the what was the hold up for y'all? Was it

676
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:15.440
trying to get just build the case.

677
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:18.400
Being a small agency, no clue about DNA. I'll be

678
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:20.960
the first one I met. That's where we were lacking

679
00:29:21.000 --> 00:29:23.519
in that area. If you go back and look at

680
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:25.519
one of the books, I'm not sure if it's blood

681
00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.079
Bath or I've been watching you. We have a photograph

682
00:29:28.200 --> 00:29:31.079
you see where Keith Ates, who's a Batony City detective

683
00:29:31.119 --> 00:29:33.559
who helped us a lot on the case too. I

684
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.799
think you said, Mac, David or Mike look at the

685
00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:40.039
DNA you know, and then you know we worked on

686
00:29:40.119 --> 00:29:41.920
some of that, but we didn't know nothing about DNA.

687
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:47.759
And like I said, Zachary did work homicides, these holicides, well,

688
00:29:47.759 --> 00:29:49.960
probably the first ones in ten or fifteen years in

689
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:51.880
that area. You know, we didn't work cases like that

690
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:56.640
there in Zachary and it was became very, very troublesome

691
00:29:56.799 --> 00:29:58.359
that we had this going on here.

692
00:29:58.480 --> 00:30:01.119
Yeah, so did you know in the moment that you

693
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:05.400
were not well equipped to solve this? Were like in

694
00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:07.160
the moment, did you go, Man, we don't know, we're.

695
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:08.799
Over our head in over our heads, not really with

696
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:10.759
the DNA. But I mean we worked enough cases, and

697
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:14.079
we worked these other cases, and we understood this is

698
00:30:14.160 --> 00:30:16.960
our guy because everything kept pointing back to him. Who

699
00:30:17.160 --> 00:30:19.519
was in this area the whole time? It was him.

700
00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:22.079
If you go back and look at our reports in

701
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:24.519
that area, his name always came up, you know, with

702
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:28.240
the different cases within the the symity of the neighborhoods.

703
00:30:28.279 --> 00:30:31.039
But yeah, I mean we we eventually took with the

704
00:30:31.119 --> 00:30:33.440
AG's office kind of helped us with resources. They had

705
00:30:33.519 --> 00:30:35.799
more resources than we did. And like I said, we

706
00:30:35.880 --> 00:30:38.559
go back. We work in theaf cases, were working rape cases.

707
00:30:38.599 --> 00:30:41.960
We work in drug cases. I mean, in ninety four

708
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.759
ninety six, we had major drug rounders. That's when the

709
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.640
cocaine academic took off in the United States. We had

710
00:30:49.680 --> 00:30:51.880
it in Zachary. We had ten to fifteen people on

711
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.839
the corner. Yeah, I mean I was out night chasing

712
00:30:54.839 --> 00:30:57.400
the mean so yeah, we were spread then, yes, but

713
00:30:57.559 --> 00:30:59.880
then we did it. Help AG's office come on and

714
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:02.079
gave us tremendous hill awesome.

715
00:31:02.720 --> 00:31:06.599
Okay, so can you answer me this Derek Todley's house

716
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:13.640
in relation to the Oak Shadows subdivision? Was it relatively?

717
00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:15.960
Why do they think he was honing that neighborhood?

718
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:16.720
Was that?

719
00:31:16.920 --> 00:31:17.920
Was it proximity?

720
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:19.880
Well, I don't know if he dated somebody in that neighborhood.

721
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:22.119
I mean, if you look at his house, it's probably

722
00:31:23.039 --> 00:31:25.079
maybe five six miles from there. I'd have to go

723
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:27.880
back and do it. Uh, it's right on on Star Heel,

724
00:31:27.920 --> 00:31:29.920
which is you know the house is obviously which one

725
00:31:29.960 --> 00:31:33.000
of his is. It's right next to Star Hill neighborhood

726
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.759
as they call it, and uh, you know, it's right

727
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:39.039
past a little store that goes the stores right there.

728
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:40.519
And then you got crowns Ala back which I think

729
00:31:40.559 --> 00:31:43.039
his hood container now was a paper plant there, it's

730
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.240
right above it to the north. I mean it was

731
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:47.160
an easy access. I mean, if he been, he might

732
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.480
have been in the area already, you know, uh, you know,

733
00:31:50.039 --> 00:31:50.799
trolling already.

734
00:31:50.880 --> 00:31:53.480
We don't know, you know, but definitely.

735
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:56.160
By nineteen ninety nine, you would say that y'all were saying,

736
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:57.680
it's him, it's tim at Timo's.

737
00:31:57.400 --> 00:32:01.400
Town based on what Michelle Chapman picked him out. This

738
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.319
is the photograph that she had, you know, sketched artists

739
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:08.400
due out of California and you know, picked him out

740
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.119
of the photo lineup in ninety nine. You know, was

741
00:32:11.240 --> 00:32:13.039
without hesitation, picked him out. That's him.

742
00:32:13.519 --> 00:32:18.559
But because of a lack of DNA testing or collection

743
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:20.359
all that, you just kind of hands were tired. You

744
00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:22.640
needed more to be able to put the cuffs on him.

745
00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:24.359
And we went to this house the next day, you know,

746
00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.920
and because you know, we didn't have a search warrant,

747
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:29.440
but we ate, let's go talk to him and see

748
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:31.440
what he's up to, you know, blah blah blah.

749
00:32:31.720 --> 00:32:32.440
Gem nervous.

750
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:34.759
He did a little bit. He was really antsy. Like

751
00:32:34.880 --> 00:32:36.839
I said, he let us in and I said, look,

752
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:38.200
you know we had this going on. Well, you know,

753
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:40.240
I got my clothes in the clothes here young and

754
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:41.680
looked through it, you know, because we're looking for the

755
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:44.920
black you know, stuff that he ate wore before. And

756
00:32:45.039 --> 00:32:46.799
I went into the bedroom area. You know, he was

757
00:32:46.839 --> 00:32:48.640
sitting on the couch and that and what's the house?

758
00:32:48.799 --> 00:32:51.920
Like I mean, it's probably a thirteen maybe four torn

759
00:32:52.079 --> 00:32:54.160
square foot house. I mean, it's not big and messie.

760
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:57.799
Certain areas were certain areas weren't. Uh. But we went

761
00:32:57.839 --> 00:32:59.640
into the bedroom and I went into the closet area,

762
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:01.759
you know, searching me. He said, hey, you search, Okay,

763
00:33:01.920 --> 00:33:04.880
I'm going, you know, And I got in there. In

764
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:07.079
one area of the closet was real neat one area

765
00:33:07.160 --> 00:33:09.440
was kind of dis arranged, not sure. I don't remember

766
00:33:09.440 --> 00:33:11.960
if it's him or her. And I got to digging

767
00:33:12.000 --> 00:33:13.599
in there, and all of a sudden, the hair on

768
00:33:13.680 --> 00:33:16.559
the back of my neck turned around and he was

769
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.440
right there at me, and I had to push him back,

770
00:33:18.480 --> 00:33:20.720
said what are you doing here? Because I thought somebody

771
00:33:20.759 --> 00:33:23.240
was watching him. Yeah, and y'all need to get out

772
00:33:23.240 --> 00:33:24.400
of here. Get out of here right now. Y'all need

773
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.039
to leave. So we had to leave. We had no choice,

774
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:28.720
we had no warrant. We had to leave. So evidently

775
00:33:28.759 --> 00:33:30.880
we were into something or keep close to something.

776
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:33.200
But those car keys were up in his little treasure box.

777
00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:35.319
I mean yeah. And then, like I said, I knew

778
00:33:35.319 --> 00:33:36.799
when my hair stood up on the next something was

779
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:39.480
not right. And I turned there he was thank god,

780
00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:41.519
you know, you know he was there to kill me

781
00:33:41.640 --> 00:33:43.799
or whatever because I was getting close to something. But yeah,

782
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:45.039
we got ran out of there.

783
00:33:45.400 --> 00:33:47.079
So was she home? Was the wife home when this

784
00:33:47.240 --> 00:33:47.640
was happening?

785
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:47.960
Yes?

786
00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:48.319
Yes?

787
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:49.240
What was she like?

788
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:51.880
There's not much about her that does she seem and

789
00:33:51.920 --> 00:33:53.839
I don't mean this ugly, but does she seem just

790
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.720
not interested or she didn't care or she just resigned

791
00:33:57.759 --> 00:33:58.200
to the fact.

792
00:34:00.240 --> 00:34:02.000
She worked at a store up in San Franciso. We

793
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:03.880
went visited a couple of times. You know, it really

794
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:05.799
wouldn't too talkative, didn't say.

795
00:34:05.640 --> 00:34:07.759
A whole lot anti police, would you argue?

796
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:10.599
I don't know if that or just didn't know what

797
00:34:10.760 --> 00:34:13.559
to say, because I mean it was it was out there.

798
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:15.440
It was known that he had girlfriends, and then you

799
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:17.960
know that we dealt with that a lot too, and

800
00:34:18.840 --> 00:34:21.079
you know it's I don't know, I don't know if

801
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:25.400
it was maybe she's worried about her comfort zone or hey,

802
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:27.199
he was taking care of me and the family, or

803
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.480
you know, I don't know. I didn't talk to her

804
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:31.039
a whole whole lot. She wouldn't talk a lot.

805
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.000
One of my big points I'm going to make is

806
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.320
is you can be dumb as a box of rocks,

807
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:37.360
but you can still be criminally.

808
00:34:38.199 --> 00:34:40.119
I mean, if you go back and look at the

809
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.039
whole case and everything in bat Rouge, you know, they

810
00:34:42.079 --> 00:34:44.400
thought it was a cop based on what was going on,

811
00:34:44.599 --> 00:34:47.199
what was happening, and that that caused a lot of

812
00:34:47.440 --> 00:34:50.079
lot of tension in that with the cops and you know,

813
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.599
cops not sharing information with each other because nobody knew

814
00:34:52.599 --> 00:34:54.800
who it was, so they were scared to share it,

815
00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:56.679
you know, with each other and tell each other, Hey,

816
00:34:56.800 --> 00:34:58.400
this is what's going on, which kind of hurt the

817
00:34:58.440 --> 00:35:01.599
case a little bit. But I mean, nobody knew because

818
00:35:01.599 --> 00:35:03.599
that was the word. Hey as a cop, he's got

819
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.719
he's doing some vans, he's watching these women. But you know,

820
00:35:06.840 --> 00:35:09.480
I think a lot of each agency held a piece

821
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:11.079
of the pile, a lot of this case, and they

822
00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:13.599
would you know, what I learned and what I you know,

823
00:35:13.639 --> 00:35:15.760
if I was stilling a loan for is to talk more,

824
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.320
you know, have them meet and talk more, because there's

825
00:35:18.360 --> 00:35:21.159
some things that they we found out later on if

826
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:24.239
they were just shared with us, like what like Geena

827
00:35:24.280 --> 00:35:26.800
Wilson Green supposed he was masterbating in front of her

828
00:35:26.840 --> 00:35:29.239
house before. We didn't know that, you know, things like that.

829
00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:31.440
Would you know, could could could.

830
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:33.559
Have helped some different things and lack of communication.

831
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:36.719
Yeah, I mean I went to training the other day

832
00:35:36.719 --> 00:35:38.159
in Alabama. I was down there. I go to it.

833
00:35:38.199 --> 00:35:41.519
I'm in going for sixteen years. Alabama Law Enforcement Commission

834
00:35:41.559 --> 00:35:43.880
has great training. They brought in the Lencoln Riley case

835
00:35:44.440 --> 00:35:45.480
where she was killed by the.

836
00:35:45.480 --> 00:35:47.360
Oh yeah, I did an in depth dive on that one.

837
00:35:48.199 --> 00:35:51.079
The the the amount of technology that they used on

838
00:35:51.159 --> 00:35:53.400
that case and what they did was unbelievable. I mean

839
00:35:53.559 --> 00:35:56.840
that's where we we have made sure we were on

840
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:58.639
top of that because there was a lot of train

841
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.119
link with the phones and different areas. We watched the

842
00:36:01.159 --> 00:36:04.000
whole case unfold. They showed us to videos and stuff

843
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.119
like that, and then you know, we got to see

844
00:36:06.119 --> 00:36:08.280
the body camera the officer walking up to find her.

845
00:36:08.719 --> 00:36:11.519
You know after I listen, I listened to it and

846
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.639
you can just it. You can hear it in his breathing. Yeah,

847
00:36:13.679 --> 00:36:16.199
oh my god. Yeah, And they didn't give up on her. No.

848
00:36:16.559 --> 00:36:18.719
It was a tough case where you know, but you

849
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.039
could see everything he was doing where he went to

850
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.079
apartment first and pulled on the door several times, beat

851
00:36:24.119 --> 00:36:27.000
on it and the lady was in the shower, reported,

852
00:36:27.079 --> 00:36:28.960
you know, and then he went out where she was

853
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.000
jogging and I think he was drinking a coat drink

854
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:33.679
put it down. I saw that, you know, and then

855
00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:35.199
you know, he went into the you know, the area

856
00:36:35.360 --> 00:36:36.079
and attacked her.

857
00:36:36.239 --> 00:36:38.000
And he had already done this in New York too.

858
00:36:38.199 --> 00:36:41.239
He already had charges in New York for assaulting. So

859
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:45.239
the trends are there, and I'm with you that communication.

860
00:36:45.360 --> 00:36:47.800
But then tell me, as a police officer, a former

861
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:51.519
uh you know, cheap, you're protective of your case, that

862
00:36:51.639 --> 00:36:52.239
you work hard.

863
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:55.199
Well. I learned the lesson out of this case here,

864
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.719
and Derek Tidley, you have got to have open mind.

865
00:36:58.239 --> 00:37:00.559
But also you got to talk to you investigator around

866
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.599
the area because I mean both cases. When when when

867
00:37:03.639 --> 00:37:06.079
they formed the task force which was formed at the

868
00:37:06.280 --> 00:37:10.519
FOP of Fraternal Order of Police, Yes, they had they

869
00:37:10.559 --> 00:37:12.400
had a building down on Grim Springs Road and Baton

870
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:16.360
Rouge and we all got called in down there, State Police, Zachary,

871
00:37:16.920 --> 00:37:19.119
you know, all the agencies that had homicide that could

872
00:37:19.159 --> 00:37:21.360
have been related were called down and we got to

873
00:37:21.440 --> 00:37:23.639
present our case and we gave it to them, you know,

874
00:37:23.840 --> 00:37:24.519
and people.

875
00:37:24.360 --> 00:37:26.559
Were telling he who created the task force real quick.

876
00:37:26.480 --> 00:37:29.840
I guess the bat Rouge Police and state police and

877
00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.480
the Sheriff's office and all of them, because.

878
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.320
They just self said we got to create a task force.

879
00:37:33.440 --> 00:37:35.360
Yes. Yeah, And we got called in before the task

880
00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:37.599
force was formed, probably about a week or two, and

881
00:37:37.719 --> 00:37:39.559
we resented our cases, and you know, we gave him

882
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:43.400
our case with Randy and Connie Warner. And what really

883
00:37:43.519 --> 00:37:46.400
struck me about the case was General Wilson Jeene and

884
00:37:46.440 --> 00:37:49.440
Wilson Green's case. Some of her articles have found where

885
00:37:49.440 --> 00:37:52.159
Conye Warner was found out. So my thinking that if

886
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:54.880
you read up on all these cases, he was going

887
00:37:54.960 --> 00:37:58.000
back to that areatrolling and reliving that case and having

888
00:37:58.480 --> 00:37:59.880
sex so fantasies and stuff like.

889
00:37:59.880 --> 00:38:03.360
That and then leaving and then leaving the articles were

890
00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:04.320
out there, you know, and.

891
00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.000
So that that that that really told me, like to

892
00:38:06.199 --> 00:38:08.400
I said, this is our guy, look at him, you know,

893
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.760
but you know they were getting a lot of tips

894
00:38:11.840 --> 00:38:14.039
in and your horse in your white truck, the white male,

895
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:17.679
this and that. You know, the FBI profilers come in

896
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:19.719
and you know, like I say, it was a tough case.

897
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.199
So I'm gonna and I know you probably you're you're

898
00:38:23.199 --> 00:38:25.119
a humble person, and I know that I'm gonna trying

899
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.440
to drag this out of you. But like I told

900
00:38:27.480 --> 00:38:29.719
you both previously, my mom I kept saying David McDavid,

901
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.920
that man knew, he knew nobody would listen, he knew

902
00:38:32.920 --> 00:38:36.199
the What is it like to sit in a room

903
00:38:36.400 --> 00:38:39.199
full of investigating I know everyone has the best intentions.

904
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.239
I'm not doubting anybody. Everyone wanted to solve this hints

905
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.559
the task force. But what is it like to sit

906
00:38:44.599 --> 00:38:46.239
in a group of peers and.

907
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:49.199
Say this is him, this is him, and they just

908
00:38:49.280 --> 00:38:51.480
look at you and say, no, it's not. I don't

909
00:38:51.840 --> 00:38:52.400
or is that how?

910
00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:54.159
I don't think they ever said no, it's not. I

911
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.960
think they took it any consideration. But you know they

912
00:38:57.360 --> 00:38:59.400
you know, we're a small agency. We don't work the

913
00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.119
homicides EVR and bat reis the state police. Does I

914
00:39:02.159 --> 00:39:04.400
mean you think about it? Like I said, we didn't

915
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:07.079
have many sizes in Zachar until this started. You might

916
00:39:07.159 --> 00:39:09.239
have had one in ten or fifteen years. So I

917
00:39:09.280 --> 00:39:12.119
mean they probably say, you know, maybe not, but what

918
00:39:13.280 --> 00:39:15.880
this case. You go back to Connie Warner, you go

919
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:17.360
back to the Peeping Times, you go back to the

920
00:39:17.360 --> 00:39:19.199
attacking the graveyard, you go back to the burger on

921
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.480
Eagle Drive in the Peeping Times in ninety seven. I

922
00:39:22.559 --> 00:39:25.760
mean it's classic. And then you look at their cases

923
00:39:25.760 --> 00:39:27.480
because I got to look at their cases because they

924
00:39:27.519 --> 00:39:30.119
put them up, you know, on on the screen. We

925
00:39:30.199 --> 00:39:33.000
got to look at them, and everything was matching what

926
00:39:33.119 --> 00:39:36.199
we were doing and seeing, even.

927
00:39:35.480 --> 00:39:39.199
In brutality, like were there the fruit. I'm not trying

928
00:39:39.199 --> 00:39:41.639
to be macaw, but I'm a crime.

929
00:39:41.480 --> 00:39:45.800
Scene speaks to you. Yeah, yeah, you can see commonalities

930
00:39:46.239 --> 00:39:46.880
and you could see that.

931
00:39:47.039 --> 00:39:49.599
I mean, murder paste was very violent. Jeenia Wilson Green.

932
00:39:49.679 --> 00:39:52.280
I think he put left her and if I remember

933
00:39:52.360 --> 00:39:55.519
on her bed seeing the pictures and displaying her, I

934
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:57.480
mean the other ones. He knows he dumps the body,

935
00:39:58.079 --> 00:39:58.599
you know, and.

936
00:39:58.960 --> 00:40:01.400
You know, and is there a theory on why he

937
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:02.760
decided to leave some and take some.

938
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.679
I don't know. I've never thought about that, but I

939
00:40:05.760 --> 00:40:09.679
mean for some reason he might have spook. I mean,

940
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:11.559
we put a lot of heat on him, and I

941
00:40:11.639 --> 00:40:14.000
think that's what he went about. Roots we were we

942
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:15.760
were on top of him, doing a lot of surveillance

943
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.800
and that on him back and forth, you know, we

944
00:40:17.840 --> 00:40:19.719
could do it every day. But we were doing stuff

945
00:40:19.800 --> 00:40:20.960
here when we get tips on that.

946
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:25.199
But when you were surveilling him, what was he doing?

947
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:28.079
He running around, going to clubs and stuff like that,

948
00:40:28.400 --> 00:40:30.920
you know, And you know the day we got his DNA,

949
00:40:31.800 --> 00:40:34.159
we were doing that and he kept he'd take off,

950
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:35.760
he'd see us, he knew who we were, and he

951
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:38.280
knew who I was, and uh, he'd take off and

952
00:40:38.400 --> 00:40:41.000
then we'd back off. And you know, he finally came

953
00:40:41.079 --> 00:40:43.119
home that day and you know, they were getting a

954
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.360
warrant sign Onis pheniduces Teacum and we say, hey, look

955
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.559
he's here. We need to get in here and quick

956
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:50.679
block him in. You know, we got buying this truck

957
00:40:50.719 --> 00:40:53.159
where he couldn't leave, and we got there and of

958
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.280
course he saw me. I don't want him here, I

959
00:40:55.320 --> 00:40:57.519
want him out of here, and I left us in

960
00:40:57.719 --> 00:41:00.280
almost case up Danny Mixon, who did it wonderful on

961
00:41:00.360 --> 00:41:02.599
this spin Ofduice Team. And if you look at Danny here,

962
00:41:02.679 --> 00:41:05.559
this is Danny's diagram here and Danny, Danny's old flat

963
00:41:05.599 --> 00:41:08.760
foot detective. He worked hard and his diagram tells you

964
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:12.000
everything about every murder where he worked at, what went on.

965
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.800
I love it yeah, and I sent you a copy

966
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:17.360
of that and he did a good job and Danny

967
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:19.079
was able to commiss him. You know, hey, look this

968
00:41:19.199 --> 00:41:21.320
is a poinaduc is sign. I just showed it to him.

969
00:41:21.519 --> 00:41:24.360
We need DNA and he gave it. You know, that's

970
00:41:24.360 --> 00:41:25.960
why I left. I said, you know, if I sit here,

971
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:28.840
I you know, I'm a humble guy. I don't want

972
00:41:28.840 --> 00:41:30.519
to mess this case up. I left because I didn't

973
00:41:30.519 --> 00:41:32.320
want him as I think it's me and ray Day

974
00:41:33.119 --> 00:41:35.320
no race stage. He didn't really, but it was me

975
00:41:35.400 --> 00:41:38.400
and another detective. So we left and they got his DNA,

976
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.960
and you know, eventually they had submitted to you the

977
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:44.800
LSB crime laft and he left town right after that.

978
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.159
You'd go home at night and you'd lay your Would

979
00:41:48.199 --> 00:41:50.079
you focus on this a lot? Did you think about

980
00:41:50.119 --> 00:41:50.480
this a lot?

981
00:41:50.639 --> 00:41:54.320
Because it was so it worried me, I hoping before

982
00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:56.159
my career was over to finish it. But also the

983
00:41:56.239 --> 00:41:58.119
big thing that worried me was I had a wife,

984
00:41:59.039 --> 00:42:02.360
you know, and I live in Zachary and you know,

985
00:42:02.519 --> 00:42:03.800
like I say, it don't take much to find out,

986
00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:07.639
well dat I have a little sister. You know, I worried,

987
00:42:07.800 --> 00:42:09.840
you know, uh, you know, I had a mother and

988
00:42:09.920 --> 00:42:13.280
I have a daughter who's drawn. Now who was they

989
00:42:13.400 --> 00:42:15.800
would over from me? You know, uh, you know live

990
00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:19.079
between my house and her mother's house. That worried me,

991
00:42:19.199 --> 00:42:20.840
you know, was my family going to be the next

992
00:42:20.960 --> 00:42:23.119
victim intact? And that that put a toll on me

993
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:25.079
for a while there. He put a fear in the

994
00:42:25.119 --> 00:42:28.719
South Louisiana, especially LSU Southern you know, all over the

995
00:42:28.800 --> 00:42:30.360
areas there. I don't know if b R c C

996
00:42:30.599 --> 00:42:32.920
was up then, I don't think they were, but I

997
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:36.119
mean you had people taking self defense classes. Gun sales

998
00:42:36.119 --> 00:42:38.960
are up, pepper spray sales were up. You know. I

999
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:40.800
feared for my family because I mean, if you go

1000
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:44.360
back and look at the case where the lady was

1001
00:42:44.400 --> 00:42:46.400
attacked in uh Port Island, I think it was at

1002
00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:49.239
the subway, I can't remember. You know, she fit the

1003
00:42:49.320 --> 00:42:54.480
description of Pam Kenilmore's mama, uh you know, who tore

1004
00:42:54.599 --> 00:42:55.519
him up pretty.

1005
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:58.000
Good, you know, and that that too in such a

1006
00:42:58.079 --> 00:42:58.880
weird way.

1007
00:42:59.000 --> 00:43:02.599
But she's yeah, girl, tell.

1008
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.519
Me about this jogger you had mentioned when we were

1009
00:43:04.639 --> 00:43:06.880
there that only he was checking her out.

1010
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:10.199
And yeah, we're getting calls in the Finwood neighborhood, which

1011
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:16.440
is a Worsham Bartinary, which is probably about a quarter

1012
00:43:16.440 --> 00:43:18.320
of a mile from Willow Creek where he was peeping

1013
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.159
in Bobby, I don't know if a half a mile.

1014
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:23.519
I had to ride it again, maybe bored a little

1015
00:43:23.519 --> 00:43:25.559
bit of less than a half a mile from Oak

1016
00:43:25.599 --> 00:43:28.760
Shadows and there he was probably on And we were

1017
00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.400
getting a call about a white truck. She was jogging

1018
00:43:31.440 --> 00:43:33.920
in the area in the morning times and a white

1019
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.159
truck was following her. And when she called me, and

1020
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:38.760
I don't want to hear her name out because you know,

1021
00:43:39.360 --> 00:43:41.079
you know, unless she wants to talk to somebody about it.

1022
00:43:41.159 --> 00:43:43.599
But you know, she called us. We said, look, I said, hey,

1023
00:43:43.679 --> 00:43:46.480
you better stop jogging. We started doing surveillance in the area.

1024
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:49.519
The task force is for him. And if I remember correctly,

1025
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:51.960
I called them. I think they read a lash BA

1026
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:53.880
baseball game doing something there. I think they were doing

1027
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:56.199
some DNA's something there. They were doing something there about

1028
00:43:56.239 --> 00:43:58.679
the case. Hey, this is what we got was what's

1029
00:43:58.719 --> 00:44:00.400
going on? You know, I let them know anytime we

1030
00:44:00.480 --> 00:44:03.599
got a tip, we told the task force and different

1031
00:44:04.079 --> 00:44:06.119
people that worked in the task force, whether it be

1032
00:44:06.199 --> 00:44:08.840
state police, you know, the guys I worked with before

1033
00:44:09.000 --> 00:44:11.679
kept telling them, hey, look, mac Davis got some y'all

1034
00:44:11.719 --> 00:44:13.719
need to really talk to him, you know, And they

1035
00:44:13.800 --> 00:44:15.559
tell me that that I just, you know, hate thank you.

1036
00:44:16.280 --> 00:44:18.159
You know. I was humble about it because I don't

1037
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:20.639
I'm a fellow law enforcement. I'm not criticizing another guy.

1038
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.039
There's probably things in our case we could have done better. Easily,

1039
00:44:24.159 --> 00:44:25.840
we could have done better. And then you know, that's

1040
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:29.320
why when I became chief Train Train Train Train Just

1041
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:31.400
like the other day, when I went to this training

1042
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:33.760
down in Alabama and Lincoln Riley case, there every stuff

1043
00:44:34.480 --> 00:44:37.280
I said, that's that's new technology there. I'd never seen

1044
00:44:37.320 --> 00:44:40.320
that before. So that's things where it's important that each agency,

1045
00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:42.920
and I think the laws now with homicide, you've got

1046
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.559
to have training now in the state of lu China

1047
00:44:44.800 --> 00:44:47.079
to work a homicide case. I think that's called some

1048
00:44:47.119 --> 00:44:48.840
of the stuff went on in New Orleans and stuff

1049
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:54.639
like that. But it's important. And you know DNA technology, uh,

1050
00:44:54.840 --> 00:44:58.280
you know your your phones, you know, try and try

1051
00:44:58.400 --> 00:45:01.199
emulation that's going on there. You have got to get

1052
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:03.960
these smaller agencies involved in this word. State of Younga

1053
00:45:04.039 --> 00:45:05.719
needs to come in and say these these are some

1054
00:45:05.920 --> 00:45:09.239
important parts of these cases, DNA stuff like that. You know,

1055
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:12.599
a lot of these cases. Towns don't work these homicides,

1056
00:45:12.639 --> 00:45:14.639
and so when they get them to either get the

1057
00:45:14.679 --> 00:45:16.639
sheriff's office come in, or they try to work themselves,

1058
00:45:16.679 --> 00:45:19.159
and it's tough and they don't understand that. You know,

1059
00:45:19.239 --> 00:45:21.760
they can, you know, hopefully get a confession. You know,

1060
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:24.159
now with DNA, they you know, it's more easier now.

1061
00:45:24.280 --> 00:45:27.320
But I mean, you got to build these cases good.

1062
00:45:27.519 --> 00:45:30.920
Well, I really, really really do appreciate your insight and

1063
00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.400
to come here. And I hope that the smile on

1064
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:35.280
my face tells you how much this means to me.

1065
00:45:35.400 --> 00:45:37.960
I knew your name before you ever met me. And

1066
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:40.760
it's because I'm gonna give my mom of the credit,

1067
00:45:40.840 --> 00:45:43.199
but because she always said that man knew they should

1068
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:44.960
have listened to the small town cop. And so what

1069
00:45:45.119 --> 00:45:47.360
I took from that was this, I don't go to

1070
00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:50.119
other people's houses and tell them what's going wrong in

1071
00:45:50.159 --> 00:45:52.400
their house because I don't live there. I think it's

1072
00:45:52.440 --> 00:45:55.280
a testament to the small town law enforcement that you

1073
00:45:55.360 --> 00:45:57.719
knew your area, you knew your people in your area

1074
00:45:57.719 --> 00:46:00.719
of what was going on, and there's something to be

1075
00:46:00.760 --> 00:46:02.079
said about that, that's good policing.

1076
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:05.360
Yeah, like I said, it's through training. But at the

1077
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:07.280
end of the day and I tell people, hey, Chief,

1078
00:46:07.280 --> 00:46:09.679
Hey Mary, I said, No, I'm David McDavid. I'm that

1079
00:46:10.119 --> 00:46:13.519
person you knew many years ago. I don't go by titles.

1080
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:15.280
I don't care if people don't call me that. I

1081
00:46:15.360 --> 00:46:17.400
don't My employees don't call me. They call I have

1082
00:46:17.480 --> 00:46:19.639
a nickname. They call me Mac. That's been my nickname

1083
00:46:20.039 --> 00:46:22.480
since school, you know, because of McDavid. But I mean,

1084
00:46:22.519 --> 00:46:24.760
I don't go by titles. I go by who I am,

1085
00:46:25.599 --> 00:46:26.960
and uh, you know, at the end of the day,

1086
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:28.880
I tell you I'm just simple David McDavid.

1087
00:46:29.280 --> 00:46:32.960
Well, Mac, you're my hero. I hope you'll take that.

1088
00:46:34.199 --> 00:46:35.159
Thank you so much for coming.

1089
00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:35.760
I appreciate you.