Dec. 2, 2025

Part 2 | The Chef of Portland

Part 2 | The Chef of Portland
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Season 9

KJ completes her look into the murder of Chef Daniel Brophy, a cherished educator at the Oregon Culinary Institute.

Chapters 
01:34 Chef Daniel Brophy
08:46 The Day of the Incident
12:17 Emergency Response
18:42 A Shift in Focus
32:58 The Search for Answers
43:40 The Ex-Wife's Insights
53:01 The Clues Unravel

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey Y'ALLKJ back

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here with another episode of Unspeakable. Let me give you

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some shout outs to some of my new family members,

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my crime family members. Hey, real quick, remember crime family members.

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That's the level that you get shout out. So if

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you want one, make sure you're on the right tier

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so that you don't think I'm skipping you, because I

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promise I'm not skipping you. But I'm gonna start right

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here in my backyard in Greenwell Springs, Louisiana, and I'm

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gonna tell KK also known as Karen le June, Hello,

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how are you right here? You're a neighbor. Thank you

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so much for supporting the show as well, as we're

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gonna go to north Fort Myers, Florida, where Carrie Gogolin is.

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Did I say that right? Carry I hope so Goglin.

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I've never seen that last name before. That's a first

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for me. But I hope things are going great in Florida.

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I actually have family in Fort Myers, Florida, so you

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might be my cousin and we don't even know it.

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And then we've got no address on file for this one.

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But miss Steph c Hey, Steph, how are you? You

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have the same first and middle initial as my mom?

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So that's pretty cool. And then last, but certainly not least,

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is gonna be Miss Sarah Barnaby from pleasant Hill, Missouri.

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Howard things in Pleasantville, I hope they're pleasant. Oh it's

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going good. But I'm just so tickled to have all

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of y'all support my dream and to make this just

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become a reality. And I know I say the same thing,

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thank you so much every time I'm giving a shout out,

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but I don't know what other words to use to

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express but I'm beyond thankful for you. Now. We left

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off last episode with the first part of Dan Brophy's

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murder Chef Brofy was killed and I know y'all were like, wait,

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why did you do it in a two parter? I

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had to. I had to because I want to take

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you along the journey of this police investigation, because I

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think that they did a stellar job on this one

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putting these puzzle pieces together. So picking up from last week,

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Chef Dan was murdered at the school and everyone had

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been investigated. That police could think of students, coworkers, the

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homeless people in the area. Nothing seemed to pan out

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to any really good leads. Even when they and they

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found the homeless people in the area, they were tracked down.

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They tracked down multiple homeless people to see what they

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were doing. Where were you, Why were you in the area,

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But it just it just did not pan out. One

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would come up and then it would just lead to nothing.

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So one person did come forward, I believe it was

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a student, and she said that there was one homeless

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person in particular that would always come up and bom

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use cigarettes off of students during the day. But when

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they questioned more about that one, no one ever felt

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that he posed a threat to them. He was never

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aggressive or violent. All he wanted was their cigarette butt.

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So he could continue smoking them, and so he was

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quickly ruled out as well. And by the way, a

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homeless person's weapon of choice. While I can't say this

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in one hundred percent certainty, Okay, there's always going to

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be an exception to every rule, but a homeless person

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typically is not going to have a gun as a

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weapon of choice when they go to commit a crime.

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I mean, they tend to be more primitive in their tools,

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things like knives, a two by four pieces of metal

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that they could use to shank somebody or something of

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that nature. But being homeless in and of itself would

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imply that you didn't have many resources. So for them

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to just have a gun other than maybe stealing one,

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that just didn't seem to fit the bill here that

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a homeless person would have shot Chef Bropy. It was

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just too far fetched. So Chef Dan, we know, he

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was just so well loved and he was an amazing

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culinary instructor. He led a very simple life. He was

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not a high risk person, and so his murder, it

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just was stumping everybody. There was something that investigators were missing.

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They just could not put their finger on it. And

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so what they decided to do was to dig deeper

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into Dan's personal life to see if that could maybe

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spark up just the smallest thing possibly that would bring

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about a lead. So they went and they spoke further

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with Dan's now widow, Miss Nancy, and in questioning they

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did find that Nancy and Dan did own a gun.

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Now that's eyebraising, eyebrow raising. Of course, we always were

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going to go, oh, really, you own a gun and

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your husband's dead. But I want to tell you that's

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going to quickly be a letdown. I'll just let you

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know now why. Because police accompanied Nancy to her home

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where she readily removed the gun from the closet that

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where she kept it, and it was still in the case,

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and she turned that right over to police immediately, no

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questions asked, and it had been kept there on that

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top shelf. Ever, since they originally bought the gun. Now,

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in doing their due diligence, police obviously had to inquire

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in depth about this gun. They couldn't just take her

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word for it and say, okay, this isn't the weapon.

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The thing was that it was similar in caliber. Actually

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it was the same caliber as the weapon that was

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used to kill Chef Dan. But when they took it

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out of the casing, it still had the original zip

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tie around the trigger from when the weapon had been

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made safe, as it's called at the original sale. So

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real quick, if you're not a gun person, you're not familiar.

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Making a weapon safe is going to be when the

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slide is pulled back and then the slide catch leaver

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is going to lock it back and you can see

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into the chamber and see that there's no weapon and

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that it's not live. It's not a hot weapon at

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that time. So the question was, now, where did y'all

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get the gun? Well, Nancy said that she bought the

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gun at a gun show a while back for about

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five hundred dollars. So the obvious question now is, well,

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why did you buy a gun? And Nancy explained that

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with the recent rash of school shootings that had been

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going on in this country, they thought that maybe it

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would be a good idea to have some sort of

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protection while Dan was at school because schools seemed to

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be being targeted. But after she purchased the gun and

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she brought it home, they looked it over and they decided, look,

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we're just we're not gun people. They didn't like it.

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They didn't feel like he would want to carry it,

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and it just would be more of an uncomfortable thing

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to force upon themselves than to than they were wanting.

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So the problem she had was that it was heavy.

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She said, it's ugly, it's kind of scary, and neither

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one just ever got really comfortable with the idea of

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carrying the weapon. But everyone they knew had weapons, and

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so they really just felt the pressure like we're the

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odd ones out. If everyone else thinks they need to

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be armed, we need to be armed. But after purchasing it,

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they just they couldn't do it. And that's okay. Not

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everybody's different, and everyone has different opinions on how they

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need to possibly defend themselves. Matter of fact, historically speaking,

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Nancy was more liberal, and Nancy spoke out against gun ownership.

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I don't mean like on a platform like you know,

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no guns, but I mean, you know, family gatherings already,

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events with friends, if that would come up, guns just

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she didn't really think people should have guns. But again,

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after those school shootings, she specifically mentioned to police the

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Marjorie Stoneman Douglas shooting that that shooting specifically is the

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one that was the pivot in their minds where they

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just changed their opinion a bit. And by the way,

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if you don't know, if you're new to the show,

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I did cover the Marjorie Stoneman Douglas shooting and I

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even spoke to the father of one of the victims

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in prior episode. So go back if you're new, and

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you can go get a real personal insight from a

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father of a murdered child in a school shooting. But

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the world had basically gone crazy and they felt maybe

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they should have uped their game. Now I know what

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you're thinking, like I said, but I'm gonna dispel this

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really quickly. Doug Kelly, she shot her husband with that gun.

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Well hold your horses, okay, cowboys and cowgirls, calm me down.

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Because the police didn't take her word for it. They

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did confiscate that weapon and they did have ballistics run

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on this gun at the crime lab and show enough,

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this gun was not the gun that killed Dan. So

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speaking to Dan's family, they were at a complete loss

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as to who would have done this to their son.

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Dan's parents were just literally out in left field, wide eyed, going,

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we can't even I can't believe this has even happened.

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He may have been an esteemed chef that everyone looked

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up to at that school, but to these two people,

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to his mama and daddy, this was their son. You know,

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I don't care how old he was. This was their

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baby boy. And to know that someone wanted him dead

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just it just blew their minds. These were not those

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types of people. And by the way, Dan's dad was

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a pastor, he was still involved heavily in the Baptist church.

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Matter of fact, he too enjoyed helping to feed the

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homeless and the less fortunate, just like his son Dan

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did by cooking and delivering meals and doing the things

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that I believe he instilled in his son and made Dan,

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who he was helping others, was paramount. And so the

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culinary school, police would find, was used to help with this,

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And so the school was used to his father's appearance

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there as he would drive the church van up there

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pick up foods that they would then take and donate

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to the cause. Now, from what I gathered, this was

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not explicitly stated, but from what I gathered, rather than

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throw away the foods that the students would cook while

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they were learning, the school would take that product and

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use it for a great cause, helping their local community.

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And Dan loved that idea as well. Food was life

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to him. He wanted to do sustainable things for the community.

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And I just I love that. I love that that

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they thought outside of themselves and don't throw this food away.

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You know, Let's use it for something useful. And the

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homeless are hungry, feed them. The food doesn't have to

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be perfect. And I want to talk to you for

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second about Dan's dad a little bit further. If you

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don't mind, this is gonna be just a personal thing here,

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but I absolutely adore this man. I cannot express to

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you how precious he is. And he's very hard of hearing.

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He's in his late eighties now at this point. He's

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a bit dry, but so funny. He's one of those

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people that I don't even know if he's trying to

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be funny, but just the way he does things, it

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just tickles me, okay. And he told investigators that Dan,

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his son, was a messy guy. And when he was

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talking to investigators, he just shook his head back and forth, like,

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oh Dan, Dan, Dan Dan. It didn't matter that Dan was,

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you know, in his fifties, sixties, his dad still was like, oh, hell,

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this dude here, and what he called it was Dan debris,

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the Dan debris, which tickled me too. But basically what

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his daddy would say was that wherever Dan went, he

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made a mess and he left Dan debris. He was

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not a I'm not saying he's a dirty person, but

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he was not a organized person, so to speak. And

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so this thought seemed to be backed up to at

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school because Dan would often leave the roll up door open,

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even when that was a bit frowned upon. It wasn't

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like he was in trouble or anything, but it was

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kind of like, don't leave the door open, Dan, Like

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when you go and you open it, do what you

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gotta do and then shut it back. But Dan was

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always setting his stuff down opening the door because he

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was focused on the cooking. That was his passion. You know.

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He wanted to get it done and to do it well.

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So while Dan was messy at home when it came

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to like setting up his cookstation, though his actual cookstation,

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he was rather meticulous at school. So he kind of

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rolled the door up and would throw his keys wherever,

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but his cookstation was meticulous. And I get that because

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it's different, and the standards are set, especially in a

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culinary setting where organization of your tools and your foods

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and your spices. When you're teaching, that's paramount. You've got

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to be organized in that respect. And so the dad

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of Dan also gave some insight to his son's home

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life and his financial life, because you know that was

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going to come into question. So Dan's home had burned

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at one point, not completely down, but it was damaged,

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and so Dan's dad did help his son to make

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repairs in the home and it was kind of funny,

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but his dad was like, yeah, man, we'd go to

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do a project and then I'd say, Dan, I need

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this tool and Dan would say, oh, yeah, Dad, I've

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got one. And then he said, but finding it was

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just another a whole different ordeal. Dan would say that

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maybe I should just go buy another one because they

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could never find it. It was such a mess. The

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garage was a mess, totally haphazard and organization. And Dan

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also was raising these chickens that he loved, and so

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he would kind of, I think it's called brood them. No,

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a broody chicken is sitting on it egg, isn't it?

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What's the word, he would raise him up whatever. He

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would have the babies in the garage until they were

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old enough to go outside and be in the in

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the coop, so there was like chicken bedding in there,

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there was clothes, and his dad even would crack up

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at the thought of the mess. He's like, he's just

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a hot mess, you know, in that respect. But Dan

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was also kind of quiet. Okay, he wasn't a big talker.

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He would talk to his dad, obviously, but he didn't

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just go out giving all the personal details of his

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life out, you know. But he would talk with his dad,

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but Dad still didn't know much about his son's financial life.

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What Dad did know though, was that if they needed help,

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Dad was willing to financially give them some assistance, and

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Nancy would be more vocal of their needs. In my

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personal opinion, based on everything that I was researching about

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this case, Dan wouldn't necessarily be the one to ask

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for money because he, you know, money didn't really matter

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to Dan. He was chasing his cooking passion. So for example,

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they had a vehicle issue. Dan drove this older truck,

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and then Nancy had a van that she drove. Now

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before she drove the van. She had another vehicle that

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she had sold, but when that happened, she didn't have

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a car when she sold that first car. So Dan's

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father sold her his van, the one that he had

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used in the past to transport food and such for

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the church and to go feed the homeless. So if

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you're following that whole the bacle there, he had also

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loaned them money a time or ten really when they

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needed it. So Dan only made about sixty thousand dollars teaching,

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but he also would make a little bit of money

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here and there selling spices that he would dry and

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grow and all of that on the side. Now to

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that note, his biggest month of sales I think was

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eighty dollars, So it was nothing that you would, you know,

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go report to the irs or run to report. It

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wasn't a lot of money, but he was proud to

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make his eighty dollars. That's a lot in little bottles

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of spices. Nancy had previously had a very successful catering business,

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but as I mentioned in episode one, she was the

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dreamer of the couple, so Dan was more practical. Nancy

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was the one that Moore wanted to run off and

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dream and chase down stuff. So when Nancy up and

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dropped her a successful catering company to take up another

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life's dream, this would affect their life. She took up

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a dream of becoming an author. She wanted to write,

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and specifically she dreamed of being published in her genre

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of choice, which was romance. She liked that dirty romance

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and she liked to write those books. And Dan never

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wanted to interfere with her dreams. He was very supportive,

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even though their income was drastically adjusted. I think I

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even mentioned in episode one that she was making, you know,

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like five hundred thousand dollars a year gross at this

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catering so she was doing well. And then she just

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walked way to become an author and they gave up

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all of that income. Dan's only making about sixty grand. Now,

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Nancy did publish some books, but sales were extremely minimal,

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so publishing is one thing, selling them is another. So

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income that she was making so to speak, didn't cover

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the cost of doing so, so the dream was kind

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of losing money there. She really did try, though, and

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it was not for lack of trying. She had even

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joined a book club that met periodically to inspire herself

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and to inspire others in their writings. So these were

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all newer writers, not professional ones, and she over time

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would even be voted the president of the Rose City

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Romance Writers and that just was something she was extremely

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proud of. And she would make a sweet gesture to

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the writers whenever they would accomplish something like completing a

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novel or a book, she would give them a rose

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because of the Rose City Writers. You get it, okay,

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But it meant a lot to these women because you know,

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they're all aspiring writers, not full time or anything, and

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the gesture was just something special to them. Now in

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her group, she was the queen Bee because she was

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the one who had published the most books per se.

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The fact that none of them really sold well, that

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wasn't directly mentioned, okay. So Dan and Nancy would even

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travel together to support this romance writer's dream of hers.

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They would even go on a cruise at one point

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where Nancy was going to hold a talk at this

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writer's conference on the cruise. So he supported this dream

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even though she was the proverbial starving artist in her

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art form. The change of profession, though, was affecting them

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a lot, especially in the year of twenty sixteen. But

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Dan didn't need money. I think I've made that pretty clear.

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He was just happy living their little life. They had

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a great marriage. They were loving to travel together, they

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loved to hang out together, and of course they loved

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looking together. That was their favorite pastime. Well, what about

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the son that Dan had had but been estranged from

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in his earlier years. First episode, I think I mentioned

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that he started really getting back in his life during

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his high school years. But some more research it did

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makes it seem like it's actually a little bit later,

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like maybe in the twenties era, but about that time. Well,

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looking at him, his name was Nathaniel. He was a

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stand up guy. Nathaniel was a good dude. He had

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gotten married recently around this time frame that uh that

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his dad was murdered. It was in like the last

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two years or so, and he and his wife, Kate

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had a child already, and now they were expecting another

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baby very soon. And the dread of knowing that Dan

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would never meet this new grand baby, that's just sickening.

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You know that he loved these these grand babies, and

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he certainly would have taught this new baby all that

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he could about food and chickens and taking care of

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but that would just be stripped away. It would never

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be because Dan was now gone, and the loss was huge,

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even before this baby's life had even truly begun. And

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the reason I say that is I remember when my

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mother in law passed away, and my first thought, my

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very first thought once I realized this was real, was

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I didn't want to tell my child. I didn't want

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to be the person to have to look at her

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and say, your you know, your your grandma that you

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spend all your time with, left you, because that's what

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it felt like I was saying, even though that's not true.

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She would have never left her on purpose. How do

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you I just felt like my kids were robbed when

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she passed away, and I'm sure that was the feeling here.

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So Nancy and Nathaniel's relationship, let's talk about that. Their

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relationship was great. So detectives are looking through all of this,

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and she had taken him in, you know, as her

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own even though she and Dan never had their own children,

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they had a great relationship together. She loved him and

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even in his adult life, she had hired him to

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work with her. At some point in time, I think

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for the catering company. So she was a doting grandmother

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to Nathaniel's child, as was dan adoting grandfather, and she

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was even refurbishing a toy chest for the child that

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they had when the murder was going down. Like in

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that same timeframe when the police initially investigated her or

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interrogated her, she even had paint on her hands because

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it was dried from the previous day when she was

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working on that toy chest. So all in all, the

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family was loving and this case just was frustrating given

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the kindness that they showed to others, yet now one

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of their own was dead and police couldn't figure this

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one out. There were multiple apartment complexes around the school

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that were also considered as possible sources of information, and

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although many of the people in the area were interviewed

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as they were coming and going, they all said the

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same thing. We saw nothing, we heard nothing. It was

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just another dead end. So narrowing down everyone's whereabouts and

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what they knew of that morning, Nancy was asked what

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did Dan do that morning before he left for work,

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and she explained that she did not sleep well that

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night before, so she wanted to sleep in and she

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did wake up though. Whenever Dan got up because he

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was taking a shower, it woke her up for whatever reason,

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and she didn't follow him outside or anything. But his

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usual routine would be that he would walk their dogs,

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he would feed their chickens. They had a half acre

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of land, and then he would shower and he would

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go to work. Now he would sometimes bring the quantities

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of stuff that he would can or dry and all

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of that. He would sometimes bring that with him, and

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then those large plastic carts. He would load it on

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those and then push those you know, into the building

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whenever he got there. But she could only confirm that

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she did watch him leave the house around seven to

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ten a m. And based on the distance from the

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house to the school, it should have taken them him

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rather about ten minutes to get from the house to work.

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So police decided to go back and review the cameras

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one more time from that Bellaggio's pizza shop to see

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what could we possibly see that we're missing. Is there

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something that we're not honing in on that we need

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to now, some uniformed officers at that exact time that

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they went to go review those cameras, they remained back

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at the Brophies home with Nancy, and they were still

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doing questions and you know, trying to figure out if

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anything they could, while these other detectives left to go

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drum up more leads, possibly from video. Now, the video

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from the pizza shop was reviewed again when a detective

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noticed a van that seemed very familiar. It was this grayish,

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brownish van and it looked just like the one that

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Nancy drove. One very very very similar at least to hers,

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passed by the pizza shop and was clearly seen during

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the video review. Now, again, don't feed into this, because

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the timing was the time that she would have passed

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by when she was driving to the school after the

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shooting to check on him would have taken place. Okay, Now,

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the video was a big grainy and you couldn't make

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out the driver or the license plate or anything like that.

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So detectives kept watching the film and just nothing was

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coming about. But that was when it was brought to

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their attention that the timestamp on that video was actually wrong.

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And it wasn't wrong by one minute or thirty minutes,

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it wasn't even wrong by an hour. They realized it

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was actually three hours off, it was three hours fast,

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So this would change everything because this would mean that

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the van that they saw passed at seven eight am,

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not ten eight am as originally believed. That meant this

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van passed twenty minutes before Dan was murdered. So watching

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further with that now in mind, that same van then

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passed by again twenty minutes later, going in the opposite direction.

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So wow, we see a van show up and then

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leave right in the timeframe that Dan is believed to

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have been murdered. But now the question became, well whose

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van is that? And they hated to point the finger,

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obviously at a grieving widow, but remaining objective, they were

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obligated to do so. Now, the van did seem similar

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in color to Nancy's, but their question now was is

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there anything that could possibly differentiate this van from Nancy's

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to rule it out? Now, Nancy's was for sure a

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two thousand and five gray Toyota Sienna, So when Nancy

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brought her bought it her van from her father in law,

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she bought it as is, and that meant that there

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was actually some damage to her van. Specifically, on her van,

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there was roughly a three foot long scratch down the

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side of the driver's side near the gas cap area.

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So police spoke with Dan's father and asked him about

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the damage to that van since they knew that he

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had sold it to her, and he said, oh, yeah,

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that scratch was made by me whenever I had it.

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So what had happened was he had miscalculated the distance

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from a garbage truck when he was backing out, and

470
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:51.960
he just scratched right on alongside down that one, that

471
00:26:52.440 --> 00:26:55.119
trash truck as he backed out. And he was doing

472
00:26:55.160 --> 00:26:58.279
this actually bringing food to the homeless when he did

473
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:00.759
that booboo to the van. As matter of fact, that

474
00:27:00.960 --> 00:27:04.000
it had been years since that had been done, because

475
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:08.279
the scratch was rusted. Now, okay, it had been that long. Well, again,

476
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:12.759
the video was grainy from the pizza place, but there

477
00:27:13.039 --> 00:27:16.640
did seem to be a scratch on that van in

478
00:27:16.720 --> 00:27:21.519
the exact same spot as the van scratch that dad

479
00:27:21.519 --> 00:27:25.960
had mentioned. So this was obviously very eyebrow raising considering

480
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.640
the totality of the circumstances at this point. Luckily, those

481
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.559
officers were still back at the house with Nancy, and

482
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.160
so detectives made a phone call and said, hey, go

483
00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:37.119
out to her van. And I want you to go

484
00:27:37.240 --> 00:27:39.559
right now and take some pictures all the way around

485
00:27:39.680 --> 00:27:43.119
the van. So yes, sir, they did what they were told. Now,

486
00:27:43.200 --> 00:27:45.359
Nancy followed them and was like, why are you taking

487
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:48.519
pictures of the van? And they said, well, it's part

488
00:27:48.519 --> 00:27:51.119
of the investigation that we do this, and she became

489
00:27:51.200 --> 00:27:54.960
completely offended by that, and she looked at those officers

490
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:58.000
and said, I did not kill my husband, and the

491
00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.599
officer just kind of looked back at her like, I

492
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.960
didn't see you did. But she just got completely hurt

493
00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:08.359
by that. Guys, this happens in investigations. If you're going

494
00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:11.000
to do a thorough investigation, you have to look at everything.

495
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:13.960
So I understand she was hurt, but they're just doing

496
00:28:14.000 --> 00:28:18.680
their job. So comparing the known photographs of her van

497
00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:22.839
to the vehicle in question, lots of comparisons were able

498
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:26.160
to be made. Both vehicles had the same roof racks,

499
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.039
both vehicles had the same body style, both had the

500
00:28:30.079 --> 00:28:35.519
same wheel covers, and both had the same tent. Hmm, Well,

501
00:28:35.559 --> 00:28:39.519
this was not throwing a huge wrench in what would

502
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.079
have been expected in this investigation. I mean, a nearly

503
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:46.079
seventy year old woman that's devastated over the death of

504
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:48.640
her husband. You know, is she actually capable of murder?

505
00:28:48.680 --> 00:28:52.839
I mean, it's an old lady. So if the person

506
00:28:53.279 --> 00:28:56.720
that was driving this van was heading to work, let's say,

507
00:28:57.079 --> 00:28:59.160
the next question became, okay, well, why would that van

508
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.440
then turn around and draw write back by the camera

509
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:04.960
twenty minutes later. It was just a glaring obvious thing

510
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:10.000
that they had to look further into. So police had

511
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:14.400
recorded their discussion with Nancy and that included the very

512
00:29:14.440 --> 00:29:18.119
first that death notification confirming that it was actually Dan

513
00:29:18.200 --> 00:29:21.960
that got killed. And when that conversation went on, Nancy

514
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:24.240
was very clear that she had never gotten out of

515
00:29:24.279 --> 00:29:28.799
bed that morning. So this is now begging the question

516
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.400
of whether Nancy was lying about not having left the

517
00:29:32.440 --> 00:29:37.759
house or whether there was another van that was similar

518
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:39.559
to hers. And this was just now there was so

519
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:41.759
much left that would have to be explained at this point.

520
00:29:42.000 --> 00:29:44.880
So just a day or so later, Nancy would then

521
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:47.680
make a call to detectives and she had a very

522
00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:52.799
strange request for them. Basically, she had called to start

523
00:29:53.000 --> 00:29:55.720
the process of collecting the life insurance policy on Dan

524
00:29:55.799 --> 00:29:57.920
so she could pay for his funeral expenses and all

525
00:29:57.960 --> 00:30:01.079
of that, and the insurance a said that she would

526
00:30:01.160 --> 00:30:04.039
have to get a letter from detectives stating that she

527
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:08.160
was not a suspect in her husband's murder to receive

528
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:12.160
the payout. Those are her exact words. And the detectives

529
00:30:12.839 --> 00:30:16.279
were taken aback by the request. And I listened to

530
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:18.960
the audio, and you can hear it in his voice,

531
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:23.440
he almost chuckles. Okay, But Nancy starts laughing too, kind

532
00:30:23.440 --> 00:30:26.759
of nervously laughing, like, look, I mean, I know this

533
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:28.880
sounds crazy, she said, but I even ran this past

534
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:31.480
my sister. Her sister is an attorney, and she said,

535
00:30:31.519 --> 00:30:34.559
my sister's laughing at me too, But like, what do

536
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.200
I do? Because that's what they told me to do?

537
00:30:37.240 --> 00:30:39.799
And the detectives are almost rolling their eyes at this. Okay,

538
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:43.319
detectives don't do that. They don't give you a letter

539
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:47.839
absolving you from an investigation that that's never ever been done.

540
00:30:47.960 --> 00:30:49.960
They've never done that, and they're never going to do that.

541
00:30:50.359 --> 00:30:52.839
But Nancy said, okay, well, I mean, thank you anyway.

542
00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.599
I know it sounds ridiculous, but I'm just doing what

543
00:30:54.640 --> 00:30:58.359
I was told. Well, this in and of itself was comical,

544
00:30:59.160 --> 00:31:01.839
but you can't just jumped the gun in an investigation

545
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:07.839
because guess what police called. They called the insurance company

546
00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:12.119
and guess what they did, in fact, ask Nancy to

547
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:16.240
get a letter of not being a suspect. That blew

548
00:31:16.279 --> 00:31:20.119
my mind. What in the hell is that. I've never

549
00:31:20.160 --> 00:31:23.240
heard of that before, but they confirmed it. They sure did.

550
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:25.880
So if you're an insurance agent, I'm just curious comment

551
00:31:25.920 --> 00:31:28.000
on my Facebook or on my patron or something. I'm

552
00:31:28.079 --> 00:31:30.359
very curious if you sell life insurance and someone goes

553
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:33.119
to collect, have you ever heard of that or have

554
00:31:33.160 --> 00:31:35.559
you ever done that? Because I mean, I'm not an agent,

555
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:39.200
but that sounds wild. So while somewhat surprised at this

556
00:31:39.279 --> 00:31:41.599
request for a letter, what it did do at that

557
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.200
point was alert detective to the fact that there actually

558
00:31:44.519 --> 00:31:48.319
was life insurance on Dan. So they needed to investigate that.

559
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:50.279
So now here's what we all want to know. How

560
00:31:50.359 --> 00:31:53.759
much how much life insurance was being carried on him? Well,

561
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:57.839
looking into that, police would find policies that totaled around

562
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:03.200
eight hundred thousand dollars. That's a lot of money. So

563
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:06.599
speaking with experts, though they wouldn't some financial experts were

564
00:32:06.599 --> 00:32:09.960
talked to. They said that the amount of coverage wasn't

565
00:32:10.039 --> 00:32:14.279
actually in excess considering their assets and such, like their

566
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.680
property was valued. When I looked at their property value,

567
00:32:17.680 --> 00:32:19.240
it was valued at like five hundred and six hundred

568
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:24.839
thousand dollars to boot though, because Dan was killed at work,

569
00:32:25.440 --> 00:32:28.920
this would add an additional workman's comp claim payout of

570
00:32:29.160 --> 00:32:33.440
another four hundred thousand dollars. So in total, roughly one

571
00:32:33.480 --> 00:32:36.200
point two million was in play here. Now, I know

572
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.279
that makes all our eyebrows raise. I mean, but I'm

573
00:32:38.319 --> 00:32:41.680
insured for over a million dollars in life insurance. Sure.

574
00:32:41.720 --> 00:32:43.799
I look at my husband and I go, You're not

575
00:32:43.799 --> 00:32:45.920
gonna knock me off, are you? And he laughs and

576
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.839
we laugh. But you know, it's just something that we have.

577
00:32:49.519 --> 00:32:51.519
So it's not out of the realm of reality, is

578
00:32:51.519 --> 00:32:54.759
what I'm telling you. Now. Also, don't come kill me

579
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:56.359
because no one is going to get that money except

580
00:32:56.359 --> 00:32:59.240
my husband. Thank you, all right now? Taking that into account,

581
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:04.960
the experts, like I said, felt that it wasn't an

582
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:08.680
excess amount considering all of their assets, but police wondered

583
00:33:08.759 --> 00:33:11.960
what the finances of the home looked like in conjunction

584
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.759
with that. So, since the massive pay cut after Nancy's

585
00:33:15.839 --> 00:33:19.559
career change, money was becoming an issue as you can imagine,

586
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.480
but they had taken steps to try and mitigate that

587
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:26.680
shortcom or that shortfall in income for starters. They had

588
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.519
taken out thirty five thousand dollars from Dan's four oh

589
00:33:30.599 --> 00:33:34.559
one K to pay for home renovations and a patio

590
00:33:35.079 --> 00:33:38.960
and landscaping updates, and also for a storage facility that

591
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.599
they had rented when they were going to try to

592
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.440
clean out. What was strange though, was that they didn't

593
00:33:45.480 --> 00:33:50.079
just take out the thirty five thousand from the four

594
00:33:50.160 --> 00:33:54.039
oh one K. This was actually a majority of the

595
00:33:54.079 --> 00:33:57.680
four to oh one K, so basically like draining their

596
00:33:57.839 --> 00:34:03.880
safety net for their later on in life expenditures. So

597
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.599
being stupid financially isn't proof of murder, obviously, but it

598
00:34:08.800 --> 00:34:12.760
was interesting. So they did an audit of their finances

599
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:18.119
and they found that the Brophies hadn't been consistently able

600
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:22.119
to pay their mortgage for the over the past year

601
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:26.400
and a half, so they were paying it, but not consistently.

602
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:28.440
So then the question was, okay, well how much was

603
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:30.679
the house note. Their house note was one thy five

604
00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:35.480
and thirty dollars a month. Okay, well, people do fall

605
00:34:35.519 --> 00:34:38.679
into financial trouble and I'm not hating on that. But

606
00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.280
what was interesting in that regard was that the Brophies

607
00:34:42.599 --> 00:34:46.199
never missed a life insurance policy payment in all of

608
00:34:46.239 --> 00:34:50.079
that time. All right, now, police wanted to look further

609
00:34:50.159 --> 00:34:52.960
into this, into the financials of Dan and Nancy. They

610
00:34:52.960 --> 00:34:56.920
were struggling month to month, remember this, struggling month to

611
00:34:56.920 --> 00:34:59.760
month to make their ends meet, but they managed to

612
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:06.320
pay one thousand dollars a month in life insurance premiums.

613
00:35:07.119 --> 00:35:08.880
That should make everybody back up and I go with

614
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:12.079
the fuck Like Ray Charles could see that that is strange.

615
00:35:12.800 --> 00:35:15.639
So you're not able to pay your fifteen hundred dollars

616
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.360
house note, but you're gonna go ahead and pay one

617
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:21.880
thousand dollars on a life insurance premium. That that's weird, okay.

618
00:35:22.079 --> 00:35:25.199
So on top of that, it wasn't just one policy

619
00:35:25.440 --> 00:35:29.599
that they carried. It was not five, it wasn't seven,

620
00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:36.440
it was ten. There were ten life insurance policies. So

621
00:35:37.760 --> 00:35:40.159
being objective, wouldn't you cancel at least some of those

622
00:35:40.199 --> 00:35:42.599
if you were struggling, like you need to pay for

623
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.519
the roof of your head before insuring your life, right, Well,

624
00:35:45.559 --> 00:35:50.440
they paid over sixteen thousand dollars in insurance premiums while

625
00:35:50.480 --> 00:35:55.639
falling behind in mortgage payments around six thousand dollars. It

626
00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:00.719
just doesn't make sense. It doesn't make logical sense. Investigators

627
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:05.280
would find that Nancy also sold insurance on the side

628
00:36:05.840 --> 00:36:09.239
as well as medicare, so obviously she believed in the

629
00:36:09.239 --> 00:36:13.239
mission of insurance. And looking into these policies, they would

630
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:17.239
find that Dan himself was the owner of all of

631
00:36:17.239 --> 00:36:21.239
these policies on himself, not Nancy. So I know right

632
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.119
now you're going, oh, she took out all these policies

633
00:36:23.199 --> 00:36:27.400
behind his back, and nope, Dan was the owner of

634
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.960
all of the policies. But it was curious, you have

635
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:34.320
to admit that. So forensic financial auditing would be done

636
00:36:34.320 --> 00:36:36.679
on all of their accounts, and based on the projections

637
00:36:36.719 --> 00:36:39.480
of the audits, the Brothies were soon to be in

638
00:36:39.599 --> 00:36:43.920
serious financial ruin and they probably would be bankrupt by

639
00:36:43.920 --> 00:36:47.360
the end of that year that Dan was killed. So

640
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:50.400
with no other real suspects, this became the biggest flag

641
00:36:50.480 --> 00:36:52.840
to investigators in that moment. It was really the only

642
00:36:53.119 --> 00:36:55.599
thing that they could think of, motive wise, that someone

643
00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.400
might want to kill Dan. So they did check Nancy's

644
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:05.440
criminal history. That's what they found. Nothing absolutely nothing. She

645
00:37:05.559 --> 00:37:10.400
was a grandma with no criminal history. So police at

646
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:13.440
this point, just based on the finances, were starting to

647
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:16.679
kind of think, I don't know, man, the van, the finances,

648
00:37:16.480 --> 00:37:19.480
She's got to be involved in this murder somehow. But

649
00:37:19.599 --> 00:37:22.840
they definitely didn't have enough to solidify a conviction. This

650
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:27.119
was just more of a gut with some pretty good evidence,

651
00:37:27.159 --> 00:37:29.480
but definitely not enough. So they went and they spoke

652
00:37:29.519 --> 00:37:32.320
with neighbors and one of the neighbors said that they

653
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:35.559
saw Nancy outside the morning of the murder, but Nancy

654
00:37:35.639 --> 00:37:39.519
looked frantic, and so they asked, what do you mean

655
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.960
she looked frantic and the neighbor said, oh, she was

656
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:45.039
upset because she was looking for her dogs. Remember her dogs,

657
00:37:45.079 --> 00:37:47.519
they have PB and Ja the tuopops. Well, the dogs

658
00:37:47.519 --> 00:37:50.760
had gotten out and they were loose and she was

659
00:37:50.880 --> 00:37:54.280
not able to find them. And so, you know, did

660
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:56.360
she ever find the dogs? Asked the neighbors, and they're like, no,

661
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.000
we never saw the dogs. We never saw her find them,

662
00:37:59.480 --> 00:38:03.360
so we don't really know what happened to the pups. Well.

663
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:08.880
Detectives then contacted the original company that sold the gun

664
00:38:09.039 --> 00:38:11.239
to Nancy at the gun show. They wanted to look

665
00:38:11.280 --> 00:38:13.760
at this gun more in depth, and that company was

666
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:16.599
Jay and B Firearm Sales, and so they were able

667
00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:20.159
to actually track down the man who literally sold the

668
00:38:20.159 --> 00:38:22.840
gun to Nancy, like put the gun in her hand

669
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:25.920
at the gun show. And his name was Brett Glendening

670
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.840
or Glenn Dining, however you wanna say it now. He

671
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.039
said that he showed her the gun and then they

672
00:38:32.159 --> 00:38:35.159
discussed practicing at a gun range, and he said, I

673
00:38:35.159 --> 00:38:37.199
even recommended a few to her. I think he had

674
00:38:37.280 --> 00:38:40.760
written it down for her. We're some local ranges. And

675
00:38:40.880 --> 00:38:43.760
during that sale, he also showed Nancy how to break

676
00:38:43.760 --> 00:38:45.960
the gun down, how to take it apart, and how

677
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:48.039
to clean it. He did the demo to show her

678
00:38:48.079 --> 00:38:51.199
that it could be done. So Nancy always came across

679
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.800
to police as if she was scared of the gun,

680
00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.760
and she kind of gave the feeling she never really

681
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.440
handled it that much. And she even told police during

682
00:38:59.519 --> 00:39:05.480
questioning that she never handled the gun. So this was

683
00:39:05.519 --> 00:39:10.119
in direct contradiction of what she had said. So she

684
00:39:10.159 --> 00:39:13.239
seemed much more in tune with the weapon, especially when

685
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.599
you're asking about a firing range, and that's when detectives

686
00:39:16.679 --> 00:39:20.519
looked back at the gun when they originally photographed it

687
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:27.280
and something was noted. The weapon was ever so slightly

688
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.599
out of battery. Now, if you're not a gun person,

689
00:39:31.840 --> 00:39:33.320
I want to explain this to you. So you don't

690
00:39:33.360 --> 00:39:35.639
think that guns have batteries, Okay, they don't, all right,

691
00:39:35.679 --> 00:39:37.599
So if you're a gun person, you know this. If

692
00:39:37.599 --> 00:39:39.800
you're not, i'll make it brief. But basically, when you're

693
00:39:39.800 --> 00:39:42.159
holding a pistol in your hand, the frame is the

694
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:44.480
part that you're gripping, and then the slide is on

695
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:46.480
the top and that's the part that functions and moves

696
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:50.039
back and forth whenever the gun is firing. If Nancy

697
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:55.400
never touched the gun, as she stated, then why was

698
00:39:55.440 --> 00:40:00.360
the gun slide not seated correctly in the frame? Because

699
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.159
when a gun is out of battery, that means that

700
00:40:03.199 --> 00:40:04.880
the slide, well, it could mean a million things, but

701
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.719
in this case, the slide would not have functioned properly

702
00:40:08.280 --> 00:40:11.440
on the weapon. So why does this matter. Well, the

703
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:15.880
salesman certainly proved that the function of the gun and

704
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:20.119
the slide was functioning properly during the sale of the weapon,

705
00:40:20.320 --> 00:40:25.360
and he was specific that they do not remove the

706
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:29.480
plastic zip tie fed through the gun for safety reasons

707
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:32.559
while they are showing the customer the weapon at the

708
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:36.440
gun show. And this is going to matter because every

709
00:40:36.519 --> 00:40:41.079
single weapon before it is sold is test fired, every

710
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:43.960
one of them. So they have to prove that the

711
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:48.679
weapon is functioning properly. So why would the gun be

712
00:40:48.840 --> 00:40:53.599
out of battery if that were the case? Think about it.

713
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.039
It's a thought to ponder if he showed her how

714
00:40:56.079 --> 00:40:58.639
a weapon broke down, but not that weapon at the

715
00:40:58.639 --> 00:41:00.639
gun show, how a weapons break down to clean them.

716
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.039
But that gun remained in working function order, and it

717
00:41:06.079 --> 00:41:08.599
had the zip tie fed through it. The zip tie,

718
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:11.159
by the way, fed through the hole where the bullet

719
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:14.480
comes out through the barrel and then back around through

720
00:41:14.800 --> 00:41:18.920
the through the trigger. It just it wouldn't have come

721
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.480
off if she had never touched that gun. Why was

722
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:23.559
it out of battery? It doesn't make sense. And so

723
00:41:23.639 --> 00:41:26.559
the cops were really stuck on that. This just doesn't

724
00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:31.800
make any sense. So police decided that in this instance

725
00:41:31.840 --> 00:41:34.519
they needed to put Nancy under surveillance to see what

726
00:41:34.639 --> 00:41:38.119
she was up to and if something else was going

727
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:42.519
on here. Now there was a huge blunder when this

728
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:48.719
was done. The team that was going to surveil her misunderstood.

729
00:41:49.199 --> 00:41:52.159
They thought they were going in to effect an arrest.

730
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:58.199
So on September fifth, twenty eighteen, Nancy Brophy was arrested

731
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.599
for her husband's murder. And this is a massive mistake

732
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.599
in this investigation. The case wasn't even yet built completely,

733
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:10.360
and now she knew she was the main suspect. Big problem.

734
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:12.960
Now the police would have to work at the speed

735
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.440
of light to continue building the case, and they couldn't

736
00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:17.880
take their time because if she got released on bond

737
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:20.679
or anything of that nature, she now knows to go

738
00:42:20.719 --> 00:42:25.039
get rid of anything that might be involved in this case,

739
00:42:25.079 --> 00:42:28.119
plus a million other compromises that could have happened. So

740
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:31.960
the police were like, shit, this is not good. Well,

741
00:42:33.159 --> 00:42:34.920
what they did then was they said, all right, we

742
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:36.239
got to get into game plan. We got to go

743
00:42:36.320 --> 00:42:38.559
into overdrive. We've got to build this case, and we've

744
00:42:38.559 --> 00:42:40.519
got to beat the grand jury date that she goes

745
00:42:40.559 --> 00:42:43.000
before the grand jury, and we've got to have solid evidence.

746
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.880
So they dove into her computer history, her financial history,

747
00:42:47.960 --> 00:42:51.280
as well as they executed the search warrant for the

748
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:55.000
Brophy home and that storage facility that they had, and

749
00:42:55.119 --> 00:42:58.840
all of this would prove extraordinarily valuable in this case.

750
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:03.440
Starting with the computer history, Nancy had been very very

751
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:07.639
busy online in the prior year. Detective Anthony Merrill knew

752
00:43:07.719 --> 00:43:11.559
that on February seventeenth of twenty eighteen, Nancy had purchased

753
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:14.599
a glock seventeen at a gun show, which is the

754
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.639
one we've discussed. But two days later, on February nineteenth,

755
00:43:18.639 --> 00:43:21.639
they would find on that computer that Nancy signed up

756
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:26.239
for an eBay account. That's when she started bidding on

757
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:30.760
another gun. But that was quickly kind of poo pooed

758
00:43:30.800 --> 00:43:34.039
because they realized it wasn't for a whole gun. She

759
00:43:34.119 --> 00:43:39.320
was bidding on gun parts. Then, on February twenty third,

760
00:43:39.679 --> 00:43:45.039
Nancy won that bid on a glock seventeen slide and barrel,

761
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:49.480
and those two pieces were delivered to their home three

762
00:43:49.559 --> 00:43:53.400
days later. She also searched YouTube videos on how to

763
00:43:53.519 --> 00:43:56.400
clean a glock as well as how to load one.

764
00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.079
So this begged the question of why the already owned

765
00:44:01.119 --> 00:44:03.400
the glock that Nancy bought at the gun show, the

766
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.719
one that they never used, so why would they be

767
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:11.360
buying more parts for the gun. Well, Nancy, when asked,

768
00:44:11.400 --> 00:44:14.000
said she was purchasing gun parts for research on a

769
00:44:14.039 --> 00:44:17.320
book that she was writing, So why not just look

770
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:19.639
at the original gun you had? Why would you buy

771
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.039
more parts? By the way, these parts and things that

772
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.559
she bought were to the tune of hundreds of dollars,

773
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.400
Especially when you're in financial distress, that doesn't make any sense.

774
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:33.400
So looking into her writings, by the way, Nancy was

775
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:36.400
also writing blogs, and some of them just might make

776
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:40.599
you go hmm. On her website, Nancy described her marriage

777
00:44:40.599 --> 00:44:45.559
as having ups and downs, but more good times than bad. However,

778
00:44:46.400 --> 00:44:50.280
one blog in particular caught the intention of investigators, the

779
00:44:50.400 --> 00:44:55.480
title how to Murder your Husband. She wrote this one

780
00:44:55.480 --> 00:44:58.360
in twenty eleven, and she gave lots of good tips

781
00:44:58.639 --> 00:45:02.599
in this writing things like go do his job, make

782
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:06.039
sure there are no cameras, maybe find a hit man.

783
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.039
I mean, she was super super graphic in how to

784
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:12.239
get this done. So this obviously didn't age very well,

785
00:45:12.440 --> 00:45:15.079
and one person even commented on that blog jokingly, I'm

786
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.159
gonna check on Dan and make sure he's okay. Oof.

787
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:22.400
That didn't age well either, So circumstantial, sure, but it

788
00:45:22.519 --> 00:45:25.199
also followed exactly what police are now believing that she

789
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:27.880
did to her own husband. So is it that far

790
00:45:27.920 --> 00:45:32.280
fetched when executing the search warrants on September the eighth.

791
00:45:32.440 --> 00:45:34.880
They were in that storage unit that was rented by Nancy,

792
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:37.519
and there were boxes filled with things. Things labeled like

793
00:45:37.559 --> 00:45:42.440
you would expect when you're moving, so pet supplies, kitchen, utensils, whatever,

794
00:45:43.280 --> 00:45:47.519
But one box was labeled scarves, purses, and then the

795
00:45:47.559 --> 00:45:51.159
initials g K. Now there's no one in the house

796
00:45:51.199 --> 00:45:54.280
with initials GK. So when they opened up that box,

797
00:45:54.880 --> 00:45:58.840
they found what those initials stood for, and they stood

798
00:45:59.440 --> 00:46:04.920
for gun kit the kicker. This is what was known

799
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:08.960
as a ghost gun, and it was never mentioned to

800
00:46:09.039 --> 00:46:13.000
police by Nancy. So a quick lesson on ghost guns.

801
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:16.039
A ghost gun is basically a build kit that you

802
00:46:16.079 --> 00:46:21.079
can buy online and it's an incomplete gun, but it's

803
00:46:21.239 --> 00:46:24.199
basically eighty percent built. And this is kind of like

804
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.360
a go around because it's not stamped with a serial number,

805
00:46:27.599 --> 00:46:29.639
nor is it tracked as an official sale because it's

806
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.239
not a gun because it's only eighty percent. But it

807
00:46:32.280 --> 00:46:35.719
contains the magazine, the lower parts kit, eighty percent of

808
00:46:35.760 --> 00:46:39.000
the frame, the slide, the recoil spring, all of that

809
00:46:39.440 --> 00:46:42.760
is in there in and of itself. It wasn't a

810
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:47.119
functioning gun, but again Why why would you buy this

811
00:46:47.280 --> 00:46:53.119
incomplete ghost gun? You already have a gun. They were

812
00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:56.159
missing something here, but what was it? And they're just

813
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.760
looking at all of this information and they just were

814
00:46:58.920 --> 00:47:02.920
not one hundred percent sure yet. But that was until

815
00:47:03.360 --> 00:47:07.400
two laptops that were recovered from the Brophy residence had

816
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:12.360
some interesting search history. So whenever they looked at these

817
00:47:12.400 --> 00:47:17.800
two laptops, one was an HP they found in Nancy's

818
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:20.239
bedroom and the other one was laying near the bed

819
00:47:20.280 --> 00:47:22.719
as well. By the way, Nancy and Dan slept in

820
00:47:22.760 --> 00:47:26.079
different bedrooms. He slept downstairs, she slept upstairs. That's how

821
00:47:26.079 --> 00:47:27.679
they were able to really kind of confirm that these

822
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.079
were Nancy's computers and one the hard drive of the HP.

823
00:47:31.599 --> 00:47:34.920
Here are some of the internet searches they found ghostguns

824
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:39.519
dot com, Kick back with a glock gun shops in Portland,

825
00:47:40.079 --> 00:47:44.559
Cost of a glock seventeen gunbroker dot com. When do

826
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.920
you have to register a gun in organ? Glock seventeen

827
00:47:48.000 --> 00:47:51.719
slide for sale glock nineteen slide How to sell a

828
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:54.320
gun in Organ. There were a whole bunch of other

829
00:47:54.360 --> 00:47:59.440
ones too, but they also saw one for weapons and

830
00:47:59.559 --> 00:48:06.199
police procedure. Nancy was researching that and that's when all

831
00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:12.119
of this gun research was realized and placed together with

832
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:16.840
the timeline in conjunction with the Brophies' finances, And that

833
00:48:16.960 --> 00:48:19.639
is when a light bulb went off and the police

834
00:48:19.679 --> 00:48:25.320
had this aha moment. There were technically three guns at

835
00:48:25.400 --> 00:48:29.360
play here. Hear me out. Nancy admitted to buying the

836
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:32.119
glock seventeen, which she said was for the protection of Dan.

837
00:48:32.800 --> 00:48:35.679
That's the one that she had turned over. She never

838
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:40.079
mentioned the gun parts that she purchased for the glock,

839
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.800
nor the incomplete ghost gun purchase. Why because she didn't

840
00:48:44.840 --> 00:48:48.360
think that it would matter. They weren't actual guns. However,

841
00:48:48.679 --> 00:48:52.760
the police had now figured out her game. Nancy bought

842
00:48:52.840 --> 00:48:56.400
the ghost gun first before she bought any of the

843
00:48:56.440 --> 00:49:00.880
other guns or parts. That's why, or that when she

844
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.960
started youtubing how to put it together. See, the untraceable

845
00:49:06.039 --> 00:49:10.440
gun could be bought almost complete, no registration record of it,

846
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.599
and then in her mind she could complete building it

847
00:49:14.119 --> 00:49:17.199
a perfect six hundred and seventy six dollars and ninety

848
00:49:17.239 --> 00:49:20.920
nine sent gun that didn't exist if it weren't for

849
00:49:21.119 --> 00:49:24.920
the receipts. If it weren't for the receipts, it was

850
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:28.440
perfect for her to kill her husband with. But that's

851
00:49:28.440 --> 00:49:31.760
in theory because in real life, she had too much

852
00:49:31.800 --> 00:49:35.639
trouble building the rest of the gun. She couldn't do it.

853
00:49:35.639 --> 00:49:38.400
It was too hard for her, so she scrapped the

854
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:42.239
ghost gun idea. That's when she started making plans for

855
00:49:42.320 --> 00:49:45.119
buying a complete gun, but she had to have a

856
00:49:45.159 --> 00:49:50.239
cover story first, hence writing about it that original how

857
00:49:50.239 --> 00:49:53.360
to Kill Your Husband blog that was written well before

858
00:49:53.360 --> 00:49:57.400
she realized she couldn't put the ghost gun together. Nancy

859
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:00.000
now explained, Oh, I bought the ghost gun build kids

860
00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:02.559
because I was working on a story where a character

861
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:05.639
receives a single gun part in the mail each time

862
00:50:05.800 --> 00:50:11.079
that their character develops. It's just part of the writing style. Okay, great, Well,

863
00:50:11.280 --> 00:50:13.679
then why is there a purchase history for an additional

864
00:50:13.719 --> 00:50:16.840
slide and barrel for the same make and model gun

865
00:50:17.079 --> 00:50:21.119
that you had already bought? Dan? Explain it, Nancy, Well,

866
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.000
she didn't have to because the police had solved it.

867
00:50:24.679 --> 00:50:30.400
She had switched the barrel and the slide to kill Dan.

868
00:50:31.159 --> 00:50:34.679
When she put the original slide and barrel back on

869
00:50:34.760 --> 00:50:39.639
the gun, she had trouble and it didn't seat correctly.

870
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:44.239
Hence why the gun was out of battery, and that's

871
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:47.599
why when the police test fired it, they had to

872
00:50:47.639 --> 00:50:50.719
manipulate it. They test fired it, that's why the ballistics

873
00:50:50.719 --> 00:50:53.599
didn't match the test fire done at the crime lab.

874
00:50:53.880 --> 00:50:56.760
The barrel and the slide used to kill Dan were

875
00:50:56.840 --> 00:51:00.920
dumped somewhere else, and the original barrel in was put

876
00:51:01.039 --> 00:51:03.679
back on the gun before she turned it over to police,

877
00:51:03.800 --> 00:51:07.719
but it was out of battery. I thought that was

878
00:51:07.880 --> 00:51:12.440
so fucking incredible that they were able to reverse engineer

879
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:14.639
and figure that out, that there were technically three guns

880
00:51:14.679 --> 00:51:18.639
at play here, even though only one complete weapon was there.

881
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.679
That's good shit right there. Nancy thought she was clever,

882
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:29.119
but she wasn't clever enough. Sorry, But why why would

883
00:51:29.159 --> 00:51:32.199
you kill your loving husband of twenty five years, who

884
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:37.920
supports you even through your disastrous career decisions. Well, it's

885
00:51:37.960 --> 00:51:42.320
all about the money. See. Nancy was originally on the

886
00:51:42.360 --> 00:51:46.000
deed to their house, but they refinanced it in two

887
00:51:46.039 --> 00:51:49.559
thousand and four. Why did they refinance it because this

888
00:51:49.840 --> 00:51:54.440
was Dan's way of supporting Nancy's catering business when she

889
00:51:54.639 --> 00:52:00.400
first started it. He took that equity out to help

890
00:52:00.599 --> 00:52:03.760
his wife. That's what that man did. But here's The

891
00:52:03.840 --> 00:52:06.360
funny thing, here's the kicker that she didn't even know

892
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:10.400
when they refinanced the house. She was no longer on

893
00:52:10.519 --> 00:52:15.519
the deed anymore. She didn't even own the home after

894
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:21.239
killing Dan. It wasn't even hers. Sorry, bitch, you just

895
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:24.440
got served. You got served by excellent police work. And

896
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:26.719
now let me put it all in order for you

897
00:52:26.920 --> 00:52:29.639
so that it can make sense. Nancy was the person

898
00:52:29.760 --> 00:52:32.559
who handled all of the finances in the home. Dan

899
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:34.920
just left it up to her. He loved his wife.

900
00:52:34.960 --> 00:52:38.559
He trusted that she was making good decisions during this

901
00:52:38.840 --> 00:52:41.960
time brame. The truth, though, was that the Brophies were

902
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.199
in serious financial trouble and it was soon going to

903
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:48.840
boil to a head. Dan was gonna find out. Nancy

904
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:51.960
wouldn't be able to continue doing what she wanted to

905
00:52:52.000 --> 00:52:55.639
do in life because there was no cash flow. She

906
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:00.679
wasn't making money with her writing passion. So she, in

907
00:53:00.719 --> 00:53:03.679
that moment, decided that Dan's life was worth more. If

908
00:53:03.719 --> 00:53:07.360
he was dead, that would benefit her more, and that's

909
00:53:07.400 --> 00:53:10.440
when she began plotting from that point forward. She bought

910
00:53:10.440 --> 00:53:13.079
the ghost gun, figuring it wouldn't be tracked. She would

911
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:15.599
finish building it after all of her online research and

912
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:18.920
she would kill him with it, but she couldn't do it.

913
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:21.639
She then came up with the idea of getting the

914
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:24.480
gun for Dan, quote unquote whether or not he knew

915
00:53:24.559 --> 00:53:28.039
of this gun, I'm actually not even sure. I'll let

916
00:53:28.079 --> 00:53:29.840
you decide. Okay, you'd be the thinker here if you

917
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:32.280
think he knew about it or not. But records would

918
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:34.880
show she bought that gun at the gun show while

919
00:53:34.960 --> 00:53:38.800
Dan was at work, so he certainly wasn't there. She

920
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:42.639
also probably choked later on when she realized that one

921
00:53:42.679 --> 00:53:45.840
of her writing friends talked to police during an investig

922
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:49.599
During the investigation and accidentally spilled the beans that she

923
00:53:49.719 --> 00:53:55.440
and Nancy they had gone together to a shooting range. Hmm.

924
00:53:55.480 --> 00:53:59.840
She wasn't expecting that, was she. She researched police procedure

925
00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:03.840
and weapons, which then enlightened her to the investigation practices,

926
00:54:04.119 --> 00:54:06.719
and that's when she created the eBay account and bought

927
00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.400
the extra slide and barrel with plans of switching them

928
00:54:09.639 --> 00:54:12.639
now that she understood how ballistics testing was done. On

929
00:54:12.719 --> 00:54:15.280
the day of the shooting, Dan got up early because

930
00:54:15.320 --> 00:54:17.920
it was what they called a live fire day, right

931
00:54:17.960 --> 00:54:22.079
where they're cooking live and completing the orders and she

932
00:54:22.199 --> 00:54:24.239
knew that he was going to have to be at

933
00:54:24.239 --> 00:54:27.400
work early that day because of this. Once he left

934
00:54:27.400 --> 00:54:30.440
the house, she jumped up and she got in the

935
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:33.800
van and she headed downtown towards the school. At six

936
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.320
thirty nine am is when Nancy arrived in the area

937
00:54:37.440 --> 00:54:40.880
of the school. She makes a first pass which is

938
00:54:40.880 --> 00:54:43.840
seen on camera, and then she makes a second pass

939
00:54:44.119 --> 00:54:46.679
on the video. Why because she was looking for a

940
00:54:46.719 --> 00:54:50.519
good spot to watch Dan from afar And let's make

941
00:54:50.559 --> 00:54:53.519
no mistake here, she knew the area well, y'all. She's

942
00:54:53.559 --> 00:54:56.039
from there. She's been to the school a million times

943
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:58.639
throughout the last twelve years. Why would she need to

944
00:54:58.639 --> 00:55:01.880
make so many passes? Not lost, you go there all

945
00:55:01.960 --> 00:55:06.000
the time. At seven eight am, that's when she's seen

946
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:08.599
on the pizza store cameras in the van with the

947
00:55:08.639 --> 00:55:12.960
obvious scratch, headed towards the school at seven twenty Dan

948
00:55:13.119 --> 00:55:16.760
arrived at seven twenty two am. He opened the he

949
00:55:16.800 --> 00:55:18.760
turned off the alarm, and then he opened up the

950
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:21.440
roll up door. Nancy was in and out of that

951
00:55:21.559 --> 00:55:26.159
roll up door in just seconds, just moments, within three

952
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.679
minutes of him opening that door. It's estimated that Dan

953
00:55:29.760 --> 00:55:35.280
was murdered in cold blood by his own wife. Side note,

954
00:55:36.000 --> 00:55:38.679
she knew the layout of the school and she even

955
00:55:38.719 --> 00:55:41.599
had gone to use the bathroom there one morning in

956
00:55:41.679 --> 00:55:45.039
recent weeks. Right before his death. She said she made

957
00:55:45.039 --> 00:55:47.039
an excuse saying that she was waiting for a Medicare

958
00:55:47.079 --> 00:55:50.239
client supposedly, but the detectives believed that she made that

959
00:55:50.320 --> 00:55:52.880
excuse up to get in the building to verify her

960
00:55:52.920 --> 00:55:55.360
game plan because she never went on a bathroom break

961
00:55:55.360 --> 00:55:58.079
in the early morning before at the school. She knew

962
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:01.679
Dan would be alone because it was this live fired

963
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:03.760
thing that was taking place, and he would be there

964
00:56:03.840 --> 00:56:08.239
early early in the morning. Also fun fact, Dan's age

965
00:56:08.360 --> 00:56:11.760
was now coming into play because his insurance payout would

966
00:56:11.840 --> 00:56:15.960
soon lessen if he didn't die before his upcoming birthday.

967
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:18.559
I can't remember exactly what the age switch was, but

968
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:23.440
I don't believe in coincidences on that either. Yes, Dan

969
00:56:23.519 --> 00:56:27.000
would was the beneficiary of his own ten policies. However,

970
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.760
he would be dead. That's not even an argument here.

971
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:32.920
Of course, the wife would collect like, get the fuck

972
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.440
out of here. I don't care who signed it. You're

973
00:56:35.440 --> 00:56:37.320
gonna benefit he is dead. Why else do you have

974
00:56:37.360 --> 00:56:41.480
life insurance? At seven twenty eight am. Nancy's van has

975
00:56:41.519 --> 00:56:45.960
then seen leaving the area again on camera. An additional

976
00:56:46.000 --> 00:56:49.079
camera angle was later found and detectives were able to

977
00:56:49.119 --> 00:56:52.119
make out three of the letters on the license plate,

978
00:56:52.480 --> 00:56:54.920
so they took that and they ran it in conjunction

979
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:59.719
with Nancy's van, color and model at the DMV. Guess what,

980
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:06.199
She was literally the only person registered to that make,

981
00:57:06.599 --> 00:57:10.519
model and color van in the area, and the license

982
00:57:10.519 --> 00:57:16.639
plate letters they matched. The faculty started arriving just minutes later.

983
00:57:16.880 --> 00:57:19.199
The students got there around seven point thirty. All the

984
00:57:19.199 --> 00:57:23.039
while Dan lay dying and then eventually dead by that point,

985
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.960
and then Nancy rushed home frantic, freaked out. She just

986
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:29.239
murdered her husband. And that's when she went over and

987
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.199
she asked the neighbors, hey, have you seen my dogs? Why?

988
00:57:32.239 --> 00:57:35.039
She was establishing an alibi that she had been at

989
00:57:35.119 --> 00:57:38.199
the house. That was calculated. She needed someone to see her,

990
00:57:38.440 --> 00:57:41.719
and then she waited for her phone to ring. As expected.

991
00:57:42.239 --> 00:57:44.440
At nine p fifty four am, a friend called Nancy

992
00:57:44.480 --> 00:57:47.320
and said, oh my god, something's happened at the culinary school.

993
00:57:48.079 --> 00:57:50.719
Nancy then called Dan's phone twice and sent a text

994
00:57:50.800 --> 00:57:54.320
message feigning an attempt to get him and being worried.

995
00:57:54.880 --> 00:57:58.039
But guess what if she was that worried, why didn't

996
00:57:58.079 --> 00:58:00.519
she go down to the school. When you jump in

997
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:04.199
your car to go down there immediately, I would She

998
00:58:04.239 --> 00:58:07.000
didn't do that. She played phone tag back and forth

999
00:58:07.039 --> 00:58:09.199
with that friend for an additional ten minutes before she

1000
00:58:09.239 --> 00:58:12.760
called Dan's mother, explaining that something had happened. And that's

1001
00:58:12.760 --> 00:58:15.079
when Dan's mom looks at her and go or says,

1002
00:58:15.320 --> 00:58:17.559
why haven't you gone up there? What are you doing?

1003
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:20.440
Why are you on the phone? And she says, I

1004
00:58:20.480 --> 00:58:22.320
don't want to go down there because there's too much

1005
00:58:22.440 --> 00:58:27.679
police activity. What the police would have to hold me back?

1006
00:58:28.559 --> 00:58:30.880
Seriously if I thought that my loved one was in there.

1007
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:35.039
So realizing now that that looks really weird, that's when

1008
00:58:35.079 --> 00:58:37.079
she drove down to the school and arrived at ten

1009
00:58:37.119 --> 00:58:39.960
twenty eight a m. Now police pulled her aside, and

1010
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:41.840
I'm gonna put this on Patreon for you because I

1011
00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:44.480
want you to hear it. Okay, they recorded it, Remember

1012
00:58:44.519 --> 00:58:47.920
they recorded when they did the death notification and when

1013
00:58:47.960 --> 00:58:50.559
they broke the news to her that her husband of

1014
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:55.000
twenty five years had just been gunned down in cold blood,

1015
00:58:55.599 --> 00:58:59.400
her response was and in this same tone. Yeah, I

1016
00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.239
figured that after everyone gave me this sad sack. Look

1017
00:59:05.719 --> 00:59:11.360
what that's your response? That's ridiculous. In the moment, they

1018
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:13.199
thought she was in shock. No, she went in shock.

1019
00:59:13.239 --> 00:59:14.880
She knew what was going on. That's why she wasn't

1020
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:19.480
in shock. It took an additional ten minutes for her

1021
00:59:19.519 --> 00:59:23.480
to ask what happened, and it took an additional few

1022
00:59:23.519 --> 00:59:27.800
minutes for her to say, well, where is he? Wouldn't

1023
00:59:27.840 --> 00:59:29.559
you want to know that first? Where is he? Is

1024
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.119
he at the hospital? Where is he? She didn't ask

1025
00:59:32.159 --> 00:59:34.599
because she already knew he was laying on the ground.

1026
00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:38.239
She then explained that she stayed home all morning and

1027
00:59:38.280 --> 00:59:40.800
then she had gotten the news, but that was obviously

1028
00:59:40.880 --> 00:59:44.239
a lie now per the video. That's when she, now

1029
00:59:44.400 --> 00:59:47.760
with all of this coming to Fruition, realized, oh my gosh,

1030
00:59:48.519 --> 00:59:52.960
I forgot I went out that morning. She forgot y'all.

1031
00:59:53.840 --> 00:59:57.599
She forgot she went out that morning. And so she

1032
00:59:57.800 --> 01:00:01.960
now would claim as she goes to court that even

1033
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:05.840
though her normal routine, which was verified by multiple people,

1034
01:00:06.360 --> 01:00:09.039
was that Dan would bring her a Starbucks every morning,

1035
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:12.239
that man went out and got her her favorite coffee

1036
01:00:12.559 --> 01:00:16.679
every single morning and delivered it to her ass in

1037
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:19.639
bed so she could write from the comfort of her home.

1038
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:24.679
Even though that was every single morning. Nancy remembered that

1039
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:27.440
she went out and had to get her own coffee

1040
01:00:27.440 --> 01:00:31.880
that morning, and then when confronted further with that, that's

1041
01:00:31.880 --> 01:00:34.480
when she realized, oh, yeah, I went to go write.

1042
01:00:35.000 --> 01:00:36.800
I needed to get out of the house to go right.

1043
01:00:37.960 --> 01:00:41.079
Do you believe that? Just going to throw that out there?

1044
01:00:41.159 --> 01:00:44.960
Do you believe that? And it all went downhill from there,

1045
01:00:45.000 --> 01:00:47.239
as you know, a couple other things. I just want

1046
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:48.960
to tell you because this case irked me so bad.

1047
01:00:49.280 --> 01:00:52.840
Before Dan died, Nancy did less than seven thousand dollars

1048
01:00:52.880 --> 01:00:55.880
worth of landscaping to the home, But right after he died,

1049
01:00:56.519 --> 01:00:58.840
she hired this same man to come back and he

1050
01:00:58.920 --> 01:01:02.960
did an additional six sixteen thousand dollars worth of updates

1051
01:01:03.159 --> 01:01:05.360
to their home. I would not even be able to

1052
01:01:05.400 --> 01:01:08.119
think about plants if my husband was murdered. I don't

1053
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.119
give a shit about plants. My life is over. You

1054
01:01:11.119 --> 01:01:12.480
know you would feel like that in the moment the

1055
01:01:12.519 --> 01:01:14.960
love of your life has been murdered and gunned down.

1056
01:01:15.000 --> 01:01:17.239
I would be so furious and sad and sick, all

1057
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.599
in the same moment, I couldn't even think about landscaping.

1058
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:21.400
I wouldn't care if the damn house burned down around me.

1059
01:01:21.400 --> 01:01:24.559
I'd be so upset. And when she called for that

1060
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:27.239
insurance payout, she was also total to be at least

1061
01:01:27.280 --> 01:01:29.880
sixty days, and she even told the insurance agent, I

1062
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:33.440
can't wait that long. I personally feel like Nancy was

1063
01:01:33.440 --> 01:01:35.880
gonna flee. Here's why I did more research on her.

1064
01:01:36.119 --> 01:01:39.159
And when she found out that she wasn't on the deed, okay,

1065
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:41.360
I think that stressed her out because she was a

1066
01:01:41.440 --> 01:01:43.760
killer now and now she doesn't own the property, she

1067
01:01:43.760 --> 01:01:45.599
can't sell it. She's done all these updates to it

1068
01:01:45.639 --> 01:01:47.840
to try to take her money. They didn't have a

1069
01:01:47.840 --> 01:01:52.159
substantial retirement plan, and Nancy vocalized on many occasions that

1070
01:01:52.280 --> 01:01:57.119
she dreamed of being a writer, moving to Portugal. That's

1071
01:01:57.119 --> 01:01:59.639
what she wanted to do, and that wasn't gonna happen

1072
01:01:59.719 --> 01:02:01.119
now that she didn't have the house and she was

1073
01:02:01.119 --> 01:02:03.440
broke and she murdered him. I think she needed that

1074
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:05.440
money now so she could jump and she could hit

1075
01:02:05.480 --> 01:02:08.920
a jet. Personal opinion here, but making me even more

1076
01:02:08.920 --> 01:02:11.480
disgusted at this woman is the fact that she then

1077
01:02:11.599 --> 01:02:16.559
tried to imply on different occasions that other people murdered

1078
01:02:16.719 --> 01:02:19.280
her husband, and she was more than willing to let

1079
01:02:19.320 --> 01:02:24.000
these innocent people take the fall. She tried to insinuate

1080
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:27.199
at one point that the poor janitor could have done it.

1081
01:02:27.400 --> 01:02:30.559
His name was Ya Doo. Okay. She goes to police

1082
01:02:30.599 --> 01:02:32.480
and says, oh, well, ya do could have done You know,

1083
01:02:32.519 --> 01:02:33.760
y'a do he gets here in the middle of the

1084
01:02:33.840 --> 01:02:37.719
night to clean That man had nothing to do with this. Nothing.

1085
01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:40.800
She then switched her tune at another point and said, oh,

1086
01:02:40.840 --> 01:02:43.760
well his ex wife, you know she could have done this,

1087
01:02:43.840 --> 01:02:47.039
Miss Perla. She wanted revenge against Dan for being a

1088
01:02:47.039 --> 01:02:50.199
bad husband and a bad dad. Twenty five years later,

1089
01:02:51.119 --> 01:02:53.920
that woman doesn't give a shit, but she was willing

1090
01:02:53.960 --> 01:02:56.400
to throw that up there. And then this brings me

1091
01:02:56.480 --> 01:03:01.559
to her to Dan's poor son, Nathaniel. This horrid woman

1092
01:03:01.679 --> 01:03:04.679
was willing to murder his father and then try to

1093
01:03:04.679 --> 01:03:09.079
point the finger at his own mother for possible guilt.

1094
01:03:10.159 --> 01:03:14.360
Nancy is a sick and selfish woman, and the jury

1095
01:03:14.679 --> 01:03:18.960
saw straight through her. After an eight week trial, the

1096
01:03:19.039 --> 01:03:21.199
jury came back with a verdict of guilty in the

1097
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:24.400
second degree and they sentenced her to life in prison.

1098
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:32.039
So Nancy Brothy, if anything, has proven herself to be selfish, conniving, lying,

1099
01:03:32.400 --> 01:03:38.920
and a talentless old bag. And I'm no literary genius, okay,

1100
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:41.280
but no wonder her books didn't sell. I mean, her

1101
01:03:41.320 --> 01:03:45.119
basic elements of storytelling were subpar at best. Even when

1102
01:03:45.119 --> 01:03:49.320
it came to try to save her own freedom, she

1103
01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.360
left an evidence trail a mile long that led directly

1104
01:03:52.360 --> 01:03:54.880
back to her as the villain, so the suspense was lacking,

1105
01:03:55.360 --> 01:03:58.320
not to mention huge holes in her plot of lies

1106
01:03:58.400 --> 01:04:01.960
that she attempted to construct. And don't even get me

1107
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:05.199
started on the conflict problems here, because we all love

1108
01:04:05.639 --> 01:04:09.880
fighting on the side of right, but being the problem, well,

1109
01:04:09.920 --> 01:04:13.159
that's just not good for anyone, which leads me to

1110
01:04:13.360 --> 01:04:19.480
character development, of which Nancy has none. Dan's grocery lists

1111
01:04:19.480 --> 01:04:23.039
probably had more emotional depth than that woman, and that's

1112
01:04:23.039 --> 01:04:28.000
why this tale Nancy attempted to author just flat out sucks.

1113
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:33.119
The good guy doesn't win, Nancy. Every real author knows

1114
01:04:33.360 --> 01:04:35.840
that triumph in the end should be on the side

1115
01:04:35.880 --> 01:04:41.679
of good. Otherwise, what's the point. I've had spam emails

1116
01:04:41.719 --> 01:04:45.239
deliver a more convincing story than this woman ever could.

1117
01:04:45.400 --> 01:04:48.480
So enjoy prison, ma'am. You'll have plenty of time to

1118
01:04:48.559 --> 01:04:52.159
create more bullshit stories that no one's gonna buy. And

1119
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:55.480
in this case specifically, I'm convinced that if Dan were

1120
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.320
judging the detective's job on this one, he'd have no

1121
01:04:58.440 --> 01:05:01.239
choice but to give them the chef's kiss of approval.