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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast where I tell stories of real crimes

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with real victims, whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable is intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey, y'all, Kelly Jennings

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here back for another episode of Unspeakable. Guess what it's gonna be? The

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final episode of nineteen Day Devil.
I've gotten some really nice stress mail from

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listeners, going you better finish this. I need the ending, but y'all,

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I gotta give you all the details, right, So I'm gonna do

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that. I'm finish it up today. And have I got something great for

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my patron members too. Two actually
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then we'll drop that bonus episode for
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We'll let you know on Facebook and
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And for my Crime Family members,
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good treat here. I'm actually gonna
post the entire video of the interioration of

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Dakota Tario, so you can watch
Detective Bowden work as magic and you can

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watch body language and a lot of
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You can see it happen livetime and
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right hopefully, so all right,
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me jump back into where we left
off. Actually, how about I give

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my new shout outs before I do
that. So whole bunch of people,

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Oh my gosh, the patron list
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got people joining every tier. We've
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and Crime Family They're all mixed in
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shout out, starting with miss Kayla
Thomas. Hi, Kayla, thank you

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so much for joining the group.
And let's see Crime Family member. I've

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got miss Ashlyn Carney. Hi,
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and you're gonna get to see all
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got Ashley Rochelle. I've also got
Miss Danielle Krisen Krezen, Krazanne. That's

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a hard one for me. Miss
Danny, thanks so much for joining.

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If I'm miss r last name,
I's so sorry. Jody Harless, Hi

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Jody, Mister Brandon Evans, so
glad that you could join as well.

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I've got Tamara Lorette, Samantha Rossiter, Hope Andrews. Oh my goodness,

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look at these people. I think
I know Hope Andrews. I'm pretty sure

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I do. Miss Kelsey, no
last name, just Kelsey, Hi,

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Kelsey. Thanks for joining. Brooklyn
just Brooklyn. But I do see Brooklyn

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dot debate. So I don't know
if Brooklyn debates or her last name is

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Debate. But thank you so much
to miss Brooklyn. Maggie Thornhill, this

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one's so sweet. This was a
former student of mine who has become a

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big photographer out in Florida. And
girl, even though we don't talk all

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the time, I do follow you, and I think it's the greatest thing.

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Hey, you know what, I
got a post off the top?

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Okay, I hope everybody has a
sense of humor when I say this,

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Okay, but it's it's about me, so I can make fun of myself.

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But I asked her one time.
I said, I got an idea

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for some pictures I really want you
to take for me. And she said,

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what are they? And I said, I want to take some white

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trash photos. I think it'd be
hilarious, and she's like, all right,

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I'm game. And so my husband
and I dressed up like complete white

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trash and we're in our overalls and
drinking beer and I had the best time,

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and I turned him into some coasters
in my house. So you know

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what, I'm gonna make a note
right now, I'm gonna post my white

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trash pictures for you. Post white
trash pictures, so y'all can see those.

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They're meant to be funny. It's
whatever, but all right, Miss

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Cindy Ellison, Hey, miss Cindy. I know Miss Cindy too. She

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works for one of our high schools
out in this parish, and she is

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a fantastic custodian and I think a
whole lot of her. And she's a

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pretty lady. So that's a good
combo too. Right, Rebecca Knock Anne,

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Hi Rebecca, and Miss Morgan Dufraine, Hi Morgan, thank you so

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much for joining from the great city
of Denham Springs, Louisiana. And last,

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but certainly not least, is Miss
Elizabeth Goesa. Hi Elizabeth, I'm

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so excited to have you here from
Marksville, Louisiana, say right down the

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road. Thank y'all so much for
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thank y'all so much from the bottom
of my heart. Let's jump into this

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last episode of nineteen Day Devil.
This is gonna be our final episode,

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episode four. So where we left
off last episode. If you are not

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caught up, go back before you
listen to this one. But we pretty

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much completed the talking about the confession
and the interview that Detective Bowden did out

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here in Livingston Parish and that he
was able to get Dakota Tario to basically

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just he broke him down and finally
Dakota had enough and said everything that happened

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according to how he says it,
happened, and he was very very clear

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that he was not sorry. He
said, I ain't sorry. I popped

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They were fucking me in my sleep, which I don't believe for one second

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is true. And that was pretty
much his explanation for why he killed them.

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And that was pretty much where I
had dropped off at that point.

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Now I'm going to be posting some
more this week, some of the photos

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as I was talking last episode and
breaking down his movements and the things that

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he did whenever he was being interviewed
that showed whether he was closed off or

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he was, you know, wanting
to speak but wouldn't speak. And finally,

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but Balden, through his skill,
you know, and Art, was

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able to get him to just come
out and say and say what he did.

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So something that that stuck out to
me was in part of the investigation

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narrative that I was looking at.
Dakota would talk a little bit too about

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his interactions with Summer prior to him
murdering her, and Dakota stated at one

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point that him and Summer were just
sitting in the bed and that he went

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outside to smoke a cigarette, but
he kissed Summer on the forehead when before

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he went out, and anyone who's
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that as a sign of I guess, affection or a mutual respect, or

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that you care for somebody. And
then he says he's fixed him some food,

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and then he returned back to the
bedroom where Summer was and kissed her

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on the forehead again. So you
know, he continued to put off this

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loving nature towards her, this kind
sweet nature towards Summer. And you know,

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I don't know that that Summer ever
really had time to pick up on

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the fact of how dangerous he was. And part of that is because I

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don't think she had any idea that
he had beat the hell out of his

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wife. And so there's a law, right and you can look this up

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if you want to. And I
a lot of this stuff I'm about to

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tell you I got from an article
from the Times Picune in New Orleans.

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But I kind of was interested.
They had made some changes to this law

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that kind of got my wheels turning. And I hope as listeners, you

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know, I may not always be
right, but my wheels are always turning.

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I'm always thinking about how can we
protect more people in society? Summer's

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gone. But is there something that
maybe could have been done beforehand that possibly

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could have saved her life. And
one of those things is a law called

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Gwen's Law. And Gwen's Law is
in place because it's basically domestic violence law.

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And anyone who knows anything about domestic
violence knows that all it does is

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escalate. There's nobody on the planet
that says, well, they may beat

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the hell out of you now,
but they'll come to their senses and they

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won't do it later. Domestic violence
experts across the board will tell you that

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domestic violence only escalates, and in
this case, they just escalated from Kilm

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to Summer. And I kind of
wondered. I sat back and thought about

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this, and you know, is
there something that could have been in place

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that maybe could have saved Summer's life? And then therefore Tanner and Billy,

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you know it, maybe even Dakota's
parents' lives. And while I'm thinking about

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this, and I've pulled, you
know, some reports and some laws and

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I'm reading through them, my friend
Billy, who owns French Settlement Roasting company.

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I'm literally tone, it's good coffee. But he even had message being was

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like, you know, why isn't
there like some some place that women could

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look it up and see if there's
a domestic violence, you know, conviction

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on somebody's record. And so I
from my understanding, the reason that is

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is because federal law prohibits that.
But I'm kind of by the of the

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mindset that I think that this should
have a database, much like sex offenders

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in our in our societies, you
can go look that up. Why because

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they pose a very real threat to
children and to adults and to people that

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you know, might not know that
they have the propensity for that type of

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behavior. So Gwen's Law was in
place for that, but it was not

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a database, you know. Gwen's
Law was a twenty fourteen measure that required

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contradictory hearings before suspected domestic abusers could
bond out of jail. And the way

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that this came about was that a
woman named Gwen Sally was murdered by her

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husband just about eighteen hours after he
bonded out of jail. So he was

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brought in for beating the hell out
of her and hurting her and then eighteen

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hours later he murders her and so
her family, like as most legislation against

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victims comes about, was like,
this is ridiculous. You know, less

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than twenty four hours after he's released
from jail on assault charges, he you

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know, he kills her. So
it just seemed like there's there ought to

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be something where victims can have a
say so so that whenever they get there,

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these abusers get their hearing that at
least the victims of these you know,

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of this abuse could at least have
a chance to kind of beg for

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their lives because the suspected abuse would
be kept in jail without bond for up

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to five days if the judge determines
that they pose a danger, and it

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would give the victims time to get
to safety, because not everybody has that

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safety net where they can just run
and hide or have the finances to get

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the money together to go and get
away from their abuser. A lot of

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your female of victims depend on their
abusers because they're isolated and they don't have

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a job. And I'm not saying
that about Gwinn, but you know,

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there's a whole lot more that goes
into being a victim of domestic abuse than

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just getting hit. And what happened
now is that there were some changes that

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were brought into the law, and
basically some people were arguing that it kind

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of is stripping victims of their rights
to that hearing that that original Gwen's Law

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established, because the new changes to
the law forced judges, you know,

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to notify prosecutors if they decide to
grant bonds to suspected abusers without a hearing,

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but the judge isn't obligated to heed
that district attorney's objection, and so

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it kind of puts a lot of
power in the judge his hands, where

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you know, that mandatory meeting would
would really be beneficial to the victim.

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So Gwen Sally, she was thirty
nine and this happened, was shot to

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death on May two, twenty fourteen, by her estranged husband, his name

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was Mike Sally, after he abducted
her from outside their daughter's daycare. He

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was arrested earlier that week on assault
and other charges, but he bonded out,

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like I had told you, just
eighteen after about eighteen hours, and

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then he took her, kills her, and then he took the gun and

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he killed himself after he killed her, and her sister argued whenever the you

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know, the law was being discussed
that she knows for a fact her sister

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would have gone to this contradictory bail
hearing and pled her case, you know,

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and that she should have been given
that that opportunity. And so I

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just think, hey, maybe we
as a people need to keep thinking about

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this and re you know, wondering, are there other things that we need

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in our society to protect we the
people, to protect people like Summer,

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who's a young girl that maybe doesn't
realize what type of danger that she was

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in. And reasons that there were
contradictions that were brought up to this law.

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Also based on some of the things
that I'm reading, is that a

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lot of times when there are domestic
violence incidences, there are actual dual arrests,

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meaning both members of the couple or
of the household that are being arrested.

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They both are getting in trouble for
their role in the confrontation. And

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so there was an argument that if
both parents are waiting in jail sales for

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a contradictory hearing, neither one of
them is home, and if there's children

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involved, who's going to watch the
kids. And I get that that's a

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practicality of the situation. However,
it just kind of takes away that opportunity

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for others where there isn't a dual
arrest, you know, and they don't

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get to kind of plead their case. But in my humble opinion, I

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think that once you are convicted of
a domestic violence crime where you have done

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something like strangle the life out of
somebody or try to strangle the life out

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of them, or you've you know, hurt them, you've got a serious

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battery here, you know, I
just think other people in the future maybe

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should be able to research that.
And here's one of the problems I found

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in my local area is that people
will argue, well, that is public,

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you can go find that. Yeah, but here was the issue I

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found. You have to go up
to the court house and ask for that

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information. Okay, you have to
make a trip to go there. And

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so I'm thinking about the young or
the single parent who works every day who

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might be out dating and they don't
have the ability, the funds and the

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time to be able to dedicate a
day to take off of work to drive

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out there to then request that information
from the courts. Why isn't it easier

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for us to find this If you
are violent, then the people should be

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able to figure that out, specifically
domestic violent situations, because that's what ends

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up in cases like this when we're
talking about right now. You know,

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maybe I'm wrong. I don't know. Maybe give me some feedback if you

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think I'm a total idiot. But
I just I can't understand why sex offenders

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we can put a database out there, but for domestic abusers we don't.

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What's the thought process behind that?
I don't know. I feel like it

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kind of puts people out of disadvantage
to find out. So another thing too

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that I thought, when we're talking
more about that investigate, I mean that

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confession and that interrogation, is that
Dakota at one point in this interrogations claims

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that he leaned down and he kissed
the young earnest children before he left the

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house, and then he cants that
statement. It says he never touched the

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kids, And so you don't know, well, which one is it?

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If you're telling the truth, why
why does that change? The story shouldn't

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change? And then he is lighthearted
even in parts of this interview and like

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I said, I can't go through
this entire interview. It's two hours long.

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That's why I'm going to post it
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if you want to talk about intent
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he even said that after he shot
Summer, you know, he went in

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the living room and kind of kissed
the kids, and then he reached in

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Billy's pocket, turned it inside out
and took his keys before he went to

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go take the truck, which,
by the way, if you go back

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and look at that photo that I
posted on Facebook, you can see the

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pocket turned inside out, you know. And then he mentions even more in

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that interview and says that, oh, well, while he was driving,

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after he took the truck, he
threw his phone out the window. Okay,

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well why did you throw your phone
out of the window, and his

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answers, oh, well, I
didn't need it anymore. No, that's

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not what that's about. Everyone needs
a phone. It's because you're trying to

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get rid of evidence. Doesn't work
like that hashtag welcome to the Cloud,

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but you still tried. And then
even more questioning, you know, well

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why why why would you throw it
out of the window. You don't need

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anymore. He laughs and responds,
because I had the radio. Yeah,

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because that's real funny. I guess
you just murder, you just murder five

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people, But I mean, huh, at least you have the radio to

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listen to. And then he even
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about the dog that was with him, And so I had mentioned to you

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also that I thought the only reason
kim minks, if you remember she was

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asleep in the trailer, the only
reason I think that she lived was because

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he didn't know that she was there. And that's even kind of verified in

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some of this questioning because they said
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And so this is from one of
the reports. While traveling, one of

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his favorite songs came on the radio, Miley Cyrus's partying in the USA.

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Do y'all know that song? So
I'll put my hands up laying my song

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Butterfly's fly Away, nodding my head
like yeah, no, no, no,

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no, no, no, no
no no. That's what he's listening

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to after he's murdered people. Super
super great song. I guess a post

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murder, that's weird. And at
that time he started quote unquote acting pretty

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stupid to try to just take his
mind find off everything in stay calm.

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Okay. He had smoked a few
cigarettes, he said before he got back

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to his parents house. You know, he was trying to calm down.

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And then he said that he wasn't
that nervous and was pretty calm. He

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then said that he arrived at his
parents residence. He walked into the residence

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because the door was unlocked. Dakota
then stated that it was not out of

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the norm for the residence to be
unlocked. He walked to the back room

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where his parents were and he kicked
in the door because the door handle is

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broken. He stated that you can't
get into his parents room unless quote unquote

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you pry it open or they open
it from the inside. Again, the

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reason I'm bringing that up to you
is I want to show you intent.

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He knew all of this going into
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and that was to basically kick down
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After he kicks the door open,
he points the gun at his father,

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at which time his father started screaming. His father and mother are both lying

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in the bed. He describes his
mother lying in the fetal position and his

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father was in the bed post up
on his phone. Dakota stated that he

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shot his father twice until he quote
unquote went down. He then looked at

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his mother and stated, I love
you, mom, and shot her in

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the head. Dakota stated that his
mother was awake when he shot her,

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which is even more sickening, like
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dad did too. I'm just saying, your mother, dude, your mother.

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Dakota stated, everybody was awake.
There was nobody sleeping or away from

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me. I made sure I made
sure everybody was looking at me quote unquote

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end quote. I was making sure
they were looking at me, which means

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he wanted to inflict pain and horror
onto those people. This detective as Dakota,

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you made sure she was looking at
you, meaning like talking about his

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mother, at which he replied,
everybody was looking at me. Dakota stated

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that he did not know if anyone
else was in the residence with his parents

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because he didn't check. This is
a direct quote. I had a sole

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objective kill my parents. Y'all.
This dude is evil. It's just not

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even right. Dakota then stated that
the black dog was by him the entire

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time and followed him around the residence. Remember that black dog that the neighbor

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of his grandfather in New Orleans said
was riding in the car. The dog

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jumped in the vehicle and got in
the passenger seat, at which time he

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told the dog to lay down.
Dakota got into the vehicle and drove to

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laplace to attempt to change out vehicles
again, trying to, you know,

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make it harder to detect him.
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he stopped at the stop sign and
opened the door to the vehicle and let

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the dog out because he didn't need
to bring the dog with him. Dakota

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stated, quote, I made it
to the stop sign at my grandfather's house.

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I went to make the right and
I just stopped. I was like,

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why am I going here? Why
am I going to let them know

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what I did. He stated that
he thought about taking the two younger children

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in the earnest residence with him to
his grandfather's residence. He said Billy and

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Casey were good parents. However,
after being with them every day all day

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long, he started to realize they
quote really didn't give a fuck. They

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didn't care. He stated that the
kids had a diaper rash for almost two

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weeks. When I asked him if
that upset him that the kids had a

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diaper rash, Dacoda stated, there's
no justification for what I did other than

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I mean, I'm not going to
just stand around and let somebody fuck me.

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Dacoda then chuckles and states, fucked
me over as you will. So,

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I mean, this is just all
over the place, making accusations and

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claims. And they go further on
to say, well, why did you

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drive to Virginia to go to see
your grandmother? Why would you go make

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that drive? I remember there was
a fourteen hour drive, and he stated

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that he drove to Virginia, but
he got lost a few times, and

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he said that's why it took me
as long as it did to get there.

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Dakota stated that he went to his
grandmother's residence because he wanted to tell

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her that he was sorry and that
he loved her. Dakoda said that after

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leaving his grandmother, his plan was
to quote try to make sure I had

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to stand off with the police.
Dakota stated that he pointed his weapon at

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the deputy at his grandmother's residence because
he wanted the deputy to shoot him.

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However, when the deputy did not
shoot him, he cleared his weapon and

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let them take him into custody.
He even told them in this further interview

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that Summer was helping him, help
him in, him out, helping him

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out. She bought him close,
and he says, she quote unquote got

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me right, and you know,
he said, I didn't want to steal

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anything. There was some money in
the car, in the truck. I

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used that to get some gas,
and then goes on to say that Summer,

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when Summer was asleep, Summer's legs
started shaking at one point, and

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so, in his words, she
was trying to sleep dis him whatever that

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means. So if you shake your
legs, you're sleep this and someone you

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know. Then he goes into this
whole thing saying that it didn't matter that

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they were all they were all screwing
him in his sleep and said that's why

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he shot him, and all the
other stuff he did is just obsolete according

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to his own words. And then
he was also asked why did you kill

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your mother? And his only response
was obsolete. He said that I really

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wish we would just kill this recording
because they were recording it, right,

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I really wish we would just kill
this recording and start over, and I'll

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just tell you that I shot them
bitches and that was it, to be

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honest with you, because I mean, I really don't give a fuck.

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I have no remorse, I don't
care. I'll do it again, and

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it doesn't matter why I did it. So I mean, it just goes

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on and on and on and all
these other recordings you know about why he

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did what he did, and it's
because he's a piece of crap. That's

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why he did what he did.
Now, something that was interesting to me

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too. Whenever they finally finished all
their interviews and they were flying the Coda

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back home. He was brought via
a State Police airplane that they had,

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and you know, you kind of
wonder sometimes once someone they got him good,

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like, you know, what do
they talk about while they're on the

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plane, And you know, Detective
Bowden said that Dakoda didn't really have much

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to say on the way home,
just kind of a matter of fact and

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sitting there, and he did tell
me he looked at him one time and

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said, dang, you did good, detective like kind of gave him kudos

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for the job. He did,
which is bizarre to me, like it

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like it was a joke. Almost. Now I have to tell y'all something,

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probably one of the most screwed up
things that I've ever come across,

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and I've come across some screwed up
stuff, Okay, and this is just

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I don't know. Y'all got to
take this for what it is. But

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I had to sit back in my
chair and my jaw dropped when I found

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this out. Okay, I'm going
to post this online too, because I

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want you to see this. It's
crazy. So Dakota makes it back to

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Louisiana, right, they put him
in his jail cell and he's chilling,

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and you know, the parents have
just been killed. Right, It's just

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twenty four hours after they've been murdered. And you will never guess what Detective

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Balden has to do because this is
this is so screwed up. It's like

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our laws couldn't even predict how screwed
up it would be to be able to

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mitigate this before it happened. There
had to be an authorization for cremation and

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disposal of the parents' bodies that had
to be signed for them to be cremated.

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Guess who they had to ask for
permission to have his body of his

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father cremated. Yeah. Yeah,
they had to go to the jail and

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get permission from the very guy that
murdered him for permission to cremate him.

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I know, don't get mad at
the police about this. They're following procedure.

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You can't. You can't cremate somebody
until the next of ken signs the

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document. It just so happens the
next of ken is the one who executed

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it, murdered them. They had
to go to the jail and get him

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to sign permission to cremate. That
is so sick. That is sick.

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I'm not blaming the police for it. They were just following procedure, but

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can you even imagine that's that's that's
beyond that is absolutely beyond me. And

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I know right now someone's gonna say, wait a minute. I though there

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were other siblings. I thought Dakoda
had siblings. He did, but they

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were in other states, and it's
a there's a whole lot more boring detail

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to that, but basically, they
had to get the permission to do something

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with the body. Dakota was the
only next of kin available to sign the

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paperwork, and that's where they had
to go to get it done. If

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you're watching me right now, podcasts
like there's the letter, see it right

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there. I'm going to post it
because it's that's just unbelievable to me.

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That's crazy, all right. So
as we talked spoke about before too,

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well, a lot of uh information
was brought to light about Dakota having mental

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illness problems. And I'd be lying
if I said no, he's just evil.

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He's just evil. I do think
he's evil, but I think there's

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more to it. I do think
that he's got a little stuff going on

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upstairs, and I do think that
schizophrenia is part of it. Again,

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I'm not a medical professional and I
don't get to make that decision, but

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just based on what I know and
I've seen, Yeah, he's a little

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cukuoka che right. So his original
or his first wife, his only wife,

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Kim Patman. She had mentioned to
me in conversation that she at first

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felt sorry for Dakota when this first
all went down, but again, not

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no excuses for what he did murdering
people, but she really thought he was

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sick. You remember, like she
said, oh my god, he had

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so many mental problems. I was
afraid to put him in jail because I

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didn't think they were going to treat
him well. He never got treated anyway,

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but she really thought that he had
mental problems. I agree with her.

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00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.799
I think that he has schizophrenia.
So it got me thinking, Okay,

408
00:28:51.839 --> 00:28:55.480
well, is that going to be
some type of mitigating excuse for what

409
00:28:55.519 --> 00:28:59.799
he did? And by mitigating factor, I mean it doesn't excuse what he

410
00:28:59.799 --> 00:29:04.319
did, but should it play a
role in his punishment for what he did?

411
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:08.119
So I did what I do,
and I just I looked up information

412
00:29:08.160 --> 00:29:11.319
on it. I wanted to know, and so I went to the National

413
00:29:11.359 --> 00:29:18.359
Institute of Medicine, Okay, and
looked up people with schizophrenia in conjunction with

414
00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:22.359
violent crime, and I wanted to
kind of get some information about the probability

415
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:25.960
of that, you know, are
one hundred percent of people with schizophrenia committing

416
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:29.400
violent crimes? Because if so,
to me, that kind of says something.

417
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:32.079
Again, doesn't excuse it, but
it tells me a little bit about

418
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:36.599
what you know, did he follow
the norm of people with mental problems in

419
00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.079
line with schizophrenia? This is what
I found. Persons with schizophrenia are thought

420
00:29:41.079 --> 00:29:47.359
to be at increased risk of committing
violent crimes four to six times the level

421
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:52.960
of the general population individuals without the
disorder. So there is a raised risk

422
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:59.319
four to six times. However,
risk estimates vary substantially across the studies,

423
00:29:59.599 --> 00:30:07.079
and considerable uncertainty exists as to which
mediates the elevated risk. Despite this uncertainty,

424
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:12.079
current guidelines recommend that violence risk assessment
should be conducted for all patients with

425
00:30:12.119 --> 00:30:17.720
schizophrenia. And then there was this
long drawn out study with all these numbers

426
00:30:17.720 --> 00:30:19.640
which I didn't want to bore you
with, but I did want to give

427
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:26.119
you these results of the study in
patience with schizophrenia, thirteen percent had at

428
00:30:26.200 --> 00:30:33.759
least one violent offense compared with five
percent of the general population controls that they

429
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:40.599
studied. So, y'all, thirteen
percent of people with schizophrenia have a violent

430
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:44.599
offense five percent of people without it
in the study. Don't to me,

431
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:49.119
that's not a huge difference, you
know. I mean, it's still a

432
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.599
low percentage of people that would have
this type of violence. But there was

433
00:30:53.640 --> 00:31:02.319
a co factor here. The risk
increased amongst people that had schizophrenia with substance

434
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:06.559
abuse as a co morbidity, and
so they looked at that and said,

435
00:31:06.599 --> 00:31:10.039
okay, well, if you're doing
drugs and you're schizophrenic, you know,

436
00:31:10.119 --> 00:31:15.759
you do have a higher risk of
committing violent crimes. And you know,

437
00:31:15.960 --> 00:31:21.759
he chose to do the drugs.
You know. So there were more than

438
00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:29.799
twenty epidemological studies that were done and
on those that were reported between major mental

439
00:31:29.799 --> 00:31:33.599
disorders and violence, including more than
ten that specifically had examined their relationship with

440
00:31:33.640 --> 00:31:41.400
schizophrenia. The reports typically found that
schizophrenia is related to four to sixfold increased

441
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:47.279
risk and violent behavior, and the
studies did kind of range overall. But

442
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:53.599
the findings on my research then found
that roughly ninety percent of people with schizophrenia

443
00:31:53.799 --> 00:32:01.000
don't commit violent crimes, and that
matters to me. That means, majority

444
00:32:01.039 --> 00:32:07.319
of the time, more likely than
not, people with schizophrenia don't commit these

445
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:12.000
violent crimes. The fact that he
did do drugs and have schizophrenia did raise

446
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:16.319
his chances, but still that would
only be a little bit higher. I

447
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.240
just it's not an excuse. The
schizophrenia is not an excuse, and maybe

448
00:32:21.240 --> 00:32:23.920
a factor and that helped promote what
he did. Maybe that's why he thought

449
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:28.359
he was being raped or something.
But he's just so inconsistent in everything that

450
00:32:28.400 --> 00:32:31.839
he does that I just don't buy
that as a factor. That was the

451
00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:36.160
huge indicator. He didn't do it
because he was schizophrenic. He did it

452
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.279
because he's an asshole. He just
was an asshole with schizophrenia. That's kind

453
00:32:39.319 --> 00:32:47.599
of what I came up with.
So it it does go to a grand

454
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.599
jury, all right. So they
take all of the evidence and they say,

455
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.440
okay, should we indict Dakota Tario
on these five counts of first degree

456
00:32:55.519 --> 00:33:00.680
murder. The grand jury did look
at the evidence and the said, yes,

457
00:33:00.799 --> 00:33:05.000
we absolutely need to indict Dakota on
these five counts of first degree murder.

458
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.359
So that means we're going to go
to trial, right, wrong.

459
00:33:09.000 --> 00:33:16.319
So the district attorney comes forward and
says, look, there is a long,

460
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:22.920
long history of documented mental illness with
this guy. Okay, And while

461
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:24.559
I You're like, well, Kelly, you just said that, you don't

462
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:28.319
think that that should have been a
huge factor. I don't. I think

463
00:33:28.319 --> 00:33:31.079
it's a factor, but not the
biggest factor. The district attorney agreed with

464
00:33:31.079 --> 00:33:35.960
me on this, So there was
a long history of mental illness. However,

465
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:37.720
I need to talk to you about
the death penalty real quick. If

466
00:33:37.720 --> 00:33:40.359
you don't know this, there's a
couple of people that we do not execute.

467
00:33:40.880 --> 00:33:45.680
We don't execute pregnant women. Lucky
for pregnant women, there's a way

468
00:33:45.680 --> 00:33:49.240
to solve that they have the baby, then they can be executed. We

469
00:33:49.319 --> 00:33:55.319
don't execute mentally retarded people. We
don't execute children, and we don't execute

470
00:33:58.359 --> 00:34:04.680
people that are considered to be mentally
ill. A you know, a level

471
00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:09.760
that you can actually calculated. Once
so the district attorney finally said, look,

472
00:34:10.320 --> 00:34:15.360
in terms of the death penalty,
although it is absolutely factually warranted,

473
00:34:15.519 --> 00:34:19.320
everything that he did, he deserves
to be killed. He deserves to be

474
00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:23.320
killed more than anybody on the planet. What would end up happening here is

475
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:29.920
that it would lead to unending litigation
because there's no doubt that there's going to

476
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:31.159
be people out there. They're going
to take up his cause and say,

477
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.760
well, he shouldn't be executed because
he has a mental illness, and it

478
00:34:34.800 --> 00:34:37.280
would go on and on and on
and on, because the constitution says that

479
00:34:37.280 --> 00:34:43.880
we're not going to execute those people. So in an effort to I guess,

480
00:34:44.760 --> 00:34:47.920
make sure that he is convicted,
but also to not put the families

481
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:57.360
through just unending litigation. They struck
a plea deal with Dakota. Now what's

482
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:00.039
a plea deal. A plea deal
is where basically he will plead to certain

483
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:06.199
things and then he will be found
guilty of those certain things. But he

484
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:10.480
would have avoided the death penalty in
this situation. It just made sense because

485
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.679
you wouldn't want to have the unending
litigation. He never would have been executed

486
00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:16.239
anyway, you would just gone round
and round and round. Let's just make

487
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:20.440
sure he gets locked up for life. And in that plead deal, Dakota

488
00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:25.119
tario pled guilty to all five murders. And since he agreed to plead guilty

489
00:35:25.159 --> 00:35:30.639
to all five murders, he received
life in prison. And there was a

490
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:35.599
stipulation to that life in prison that
he would be incarcerated for the rest of

491
00:35:35.639 --> 00:35:42.119
his life without the benefit of probation, parole, or suspension of sentence.

492
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:46.079
So what that means is he will
never ever, ever, ever ever get

493
00:35:46.239 --> 00:35:51.280
put up for parole. It's just
not going to happen. There's nothing that

494
00:35:51.320 --> 00:35:54.519
he can do, say or anything
that would say you might have the opportunity

495
00:35:54.559 --> 00:35:59.719
to get out. They also could
never suspend his sentence which means like say,

496
00:36:00.440 --> 00:36:01.360
yeah, we're gonna hand down the
sentence, but you don't have to

497
00:36:01.400 --> 00:36:04.679
serve it. If you meet X, Y, and Z criteria, that's

498
00:36:04.719 --> 00:36:07.960
off the table. And then he's
certainly not going to get probation because you

499
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:12.760
know, he's convicted and he's going
to go to prison and they're going to

500
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:16.960
give him the time. And so
it just makes sense. Although it doesn't

501
00:36:16.960 --> 00:36:20.039
feel right. It feels like they
should have put a bullet in his head.

502
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.599
It just you know, the Supreme
Court has just continued to hold that

503
00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:28.679
if you have mental illness, it
just makes you morally less culpable. Doesn't

504
00:36:28.679 --> 00:36:31.960
mean you're not responsible. It just
means culpability, which means that you had

505
00:36:32.079 --> 00:36:37.920
absolute one percent control over what you
did. He did it, He was

506
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:42.119
in control, but it wasn't one
hundred percent his control. That mental illness

507
00:36:42.159 --> 00:36:45.760
just inserts a little bit that he
is a little less morally culpable, and

508
00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.679
so the Supreme Court says, if
that's the case, you have to hold

509
00:36:49.719 --> 00:36:54.400
it into consideration. So he's in
prison. Now he's at our trusty old

510
00:36:54.440 --> 00:37:00.039
Angola And there's a little follow up
to this that I wanted to give y'all

511
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:02.280
instead of just saying so, yeah, he went to prison. No,

512
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.159
check this out. So I spoke
to Kim Patman, the ex wife,

513
00:37:07.199 --> 00:37:09.719
right, and she said, you
know I used to actually talk to him.

514
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:15.760
He tried to contact me after his
conviction and shot. So she said,

515
00:37:15.800 --> 00:37:19.199
you know I did talk to him
at first when he would contact me,

516
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:22.719
and she said, remember I felt
sorry for him because I just know

517
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.320
he's crazy, and you know he
doesn't have anybody. I'm like, well,

518
00:37:25.320 --> 00:37:28.760
hell, young girl, he murdered
his whole family, right, And

519
00:37:28.840 --> 00:37:30.320
I'm not picking on her. I'm
just saying you would have had people to

520
00:37:30.320 --> 00:37:32.880
talk to you. He had and
killed everybody. But she said no,

521
00:37:32.920 --> 00:37:37.480
I was talking to him, and
she said I no longer feel sorry for

522
00:37:37.559 --> 00:37:42.400
him, and that kind of sparked
my interest. I said, you don't.

523
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.360
She said, no, I don't
feel sorry for him at all anymore.

524
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.760
And I said, even though he
has mental illness and he's got that

525
00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:52.280
schizophrena, you feel bad. She
said no, I don't. And I

526
00:37:52.320 --> 00:37:58.000
said, well, why what changed? And she said, well, when

527
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.800
I was talking to him. I
finally was like, okay, Dakota,

528
00:38:00.079 --> 00:38:04.920
what happened? Tell me what happened? Now that it's all over with and

529
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:08.440
now that it's you know, there's
no no, nothing what happened. And

530
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.960
she said his response was that it
just was what it was, and she

531
00:38:14.079 --> 00:38:17.960
said that he laughed about it.
He just chuckled. He just kind of

532
00:38:17.960 --> 00:38:22.400
thought it was funny and it just
is what it is and whatever, and

533
00:38:22.480 --> 00:38:24.599
his little saying he likes to say, and his little you know, thug

534
00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:29.719
nasty self, it just is what
it is. I'm gonna go lay down

535
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:31.679
on it either way. I'm ana
go lay down on it either way.

536
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:34.679
I guess he means I'm gonna die
on it. I don't even know,

537
00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:37.800
Like it's just so stupid. He's
gonna lay down on it either way.

538
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:43.039
And I'm looking right now at an
updated photo of him, and I will

539
00:38:43.039 --> 00:38:45.280
post this as well, but his
updated mugshot. They must be feed him

540
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:50.639
good, because he's put on a
whole bunch of weight. And something else

541
00:38:50.679 --> 00:38:54.679
I found out too, is that
he's not in general population either. General

542
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:58.519
population after you've been down for a
while in prison, that's kind of where

543
00:38:58.320 --> 00:39:00.320
you're hoping to go, so that
you a little bit of freedoms or whatever.

544
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:04.440
But no, he continues to act
an ass in prison, and so

545
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.360
he's own lock up in prison as
well. So he's just an epic,

546
00:39:07.480 --> 00:39:10.719
just screw up, just a total
waste of space, waste of time,

547
00:39:12.039 --> 00:39:15.800
waste of tax dollars, waste of
energy, waste of everything there is.

548
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:19.119
But we still get to pay for
him with our trusty tax dollars to feed

549
00:39:19.159 --> 00:39:23.199
him and house him. So that's
pretty much how this ends. He gets

550
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:29.159
locked up, everybody loses their life. And let me add this a little

551
00:39:29.199 --> 00:39:34.119
bit in there. You might be
wondering why did I name it nineteen day?

552
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:37.280
Well, like I told you start
to finish, he only knew Summer

553
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:46.239
and Tanner nineteen days from start to
finish. He lived with them five days

554
00:39:47.000 --> 00:39:52.360
before he executed the entire family.
But this is a little tidbit I like

555
00:39:52.440 --> 00:39:55.639
to add in there. I didn't
just call him a devil because I'm mean

556
00:39:55.880 --> 00:40:00.800
and want a name call. It's
because I saw a social Security number and

557
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:07.800
the last three digits are six six
six. He is literally the nineteen day

558
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:12.480
devil. So I hope that I
gave you a whole lot of information,

559
00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:15.199
more than you ever would have dreamed
of, that you maybe read or saw

560
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:21.320
or heard people talking about. And
I also have a little treat for my

561
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:27.039
patron members, doesn't matter what level. That extra episode that I'm going to

562
00:40:27.119 --> 00:40:30.239
release to you is actually what I'm
about to record now, and I'm bringing

563
00:40:30.239 --> 00:40:36.280
in Summer and Tanner's mother and Billie's
former wife, Ronda, and I'm gonna

564
00:40:36.280 --> 00:40:38.280
get You're gonna get to hear,
one on one what it's like to be

565
00:40:38.320 --> 00:40:43.519
the mother of two murdered children and
to have your ex husband murdered at the

566
00:40:43.559 --> 00:40:47.039
hands of an absolute animal. And
so I hope that you will listen to

567
00:40:47.079 --> 00:40:53.159
that episode with just absolute respect for
what this woman's been through for her family,

568
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:59.440
and that we as a people can
work towards something different here. There's

569
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:00.760
got to be a chance we can
make in society to where it keeps all

570
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:06.840
of us safe. And I've taken
it as a personal challenge to work on

571
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:09.159
this. So y'all stay tuned maybe
a little while, but I'm working on

572
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:15.079
something myself. So I'm sure there's
some people out there that are listening to

573
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:16.079
I got some hay to rate out
there, and I know they're listening to

574
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:20.079
and oh my god, he has
problems, you know, blah blah blah

575
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.519
blah blah. We shouldn't we shouldn't
hold him accountable because he's got mental illness.

576
00:41:23.679 --> 00:41:25.800
But I just don't buy that.
I think that he's an asshole.

577
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:30.159
And you know, if we're not
going to recognize that people can have mental

578
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:35.039
illness and still be an asshole and
it's not an excuse, then I'll just

579
00:41:35.199 --> 00:41:37.639
end this the way I ended the
live and tell you if we're not gonna

580
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:38.880
look at reality and we're not gonna
look at the facts, and we're not

581
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:43.840
gonna look at this with a through
the lens of this guy's a total waste

582
00:41:43.840 --> 00:41:45.239
of space, well then we might
as well just bend him over, shelve

583
00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:49.039
flower up his ass, and call
him a vase, because we ain't getting

584
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:55.079
anywhere anyway.