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Crime Wire Weekly 7/31/26 | Kohberger’s New Plea, TikTok Influencer Sara Gilson, & eBay Owes $55M

Crime Wire Weekly 7/31/26 | Kohberger’s New Plea, TikTok Influencer Sara Gilson, & eBay Owes $55M

Another packed episode with some wild crime related stories coming your way today! D4vd’s high-profile hearing ends in graphic, stomach-turning testimony that left the courtroom stunned. A TikTok influencer is gunned down shortly after posting online....

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Season 11

Another packed episode with some wild crime related stories coming your way today!
D4vd’s high-profile hearing ends in graphic, stomach-turning testimony that left the courtroom stunned. A TikTok influencer is gunned down shortly after posting online. The full, chilling text of Nancy Guthrie’s ransom note is finally released. A woman is arrested for trying to extort victims with AI-generated nude images.
Decades later, DNA finally puts a name to the child once known only as “Lil Miss Nobody.” Florida carries out a rare double execution. A Tinder “sugar baby” arrangement spirals into disaster. Bryan Kohberger pushes to change his plea. A YouTuber faces charges in a massive fragrance-return fraud scheme. A man is arrested mid-job interview after police recognize him on a felony warrant. The wife of a Kansas City Chiefs coordinator is shot. A father is charged after his child overdoses on cocaine at the beach. eBay is hit with a $55 million judgment in a massive stalking lawsuit. And kayakers stumble upon the remains of a woman who has been missing for 40 years.

Timestamps
05:00 D4vd Hearing Ends With Graphic Testimony.
15:00 TikTok Influencer Sara Gilson Killed After TikTok Post.
22:00 Full Text of Nancy Guthrie Ransom Note Released.
31:00 Woman Arrested In Extortion Regarding AI Generated Pictures.
37:00 True Crime Time Machine: “Lil Miss Nobody” Identified by DNA.
44:00 Florida Carries Out Double Execution.
55:00 Lustful Lawbreakers : Tinder “Sugar Baby” Deal Goes Bad.
1:02:00 Bryan Kohberger Wants to Change His Plea.
1:08:00 YouTuber Charges In Massive Fragrance Scheme.
1:14:00 Foolish Felons: Man Arrested During Job Interview With Police.
OVERTIME
1:17:00 Wife of Kansas City Chiefs Coordinator Shot.
1:23:00 Man Charged After Child Overdoses on Cocaine At Beach.
1:26:00 EBAY On the Hook For 55 Million in Massive Stalking Lawsuit.
1:30:00 Kayakers Find Remains of Woman Missing For 40 Years.

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Hey, everyone, welcome back to Crime Wire Weekly.

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We're going to cover just a few of the topics

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you're going to be hearing today. David spelled D four VD. Okay,

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his hearing has ended.

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He is in some.

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Serious trouble, very graphic testimony. In this preliminary hearing. We're

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going to cover all of that. Out of California, a

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TikTok influencer by the name of Sarah Gilson was killed

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after posting a TikTok about her husband, who was a

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what do we call that an essay ce Sam person. Yeah,

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I'm trying to stay friendly to the algorithm, but we'll

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get into that story and I'll probably totally screw up

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the algorithm.

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We don't care tell the truth wed.

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Yeah, right.

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Full text of Nancy Guthrie's ransom note has been released.

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We're going to talk about that.

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A woman has been arrested in an extortion case regarding

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AI generating pictures in Louisiana.

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And we knew this was going to be coming, that

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AI was going to cause a lot of problems.

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It is, but this has got quite the twist that

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we're going to get.

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Into true crime time machine.

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We're going back on that and we're going to tell

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you a story from nineteen sixty. On this day, Florida

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has carried out the first double execution in quite a while,

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two executions on the same day. Governor Ron DeSantis. He

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means what he says right when it comes to the laws.

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So we're going to talk about that. We're going to

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bring you to a tender date in which a sugar

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baby deal went bad.

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Real bad head.

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Actually, it's gonna be our Lustful Lawbreakers segment. Brian Koberger

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is back in the news. He's wanting to change his

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plea like that something. Yeah, not a shocking you know

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thing there, but considering the fact that he pleaded in

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court to all these things. We're going to give you

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the reason why a YouTuber has been charged in a

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massive fragrance scheme.

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This story stinks, guys, right.

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Kelly's going to have another foolish Felon's segment talking about

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a man arrested during a job interview with police.

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You know, put yourself out here dressed for the job

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you want, not the job.

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The wife of Kansas City chiefs coordinator has been shot.

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Fortunately she did love. We're going to bring you that

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story in overtime, a man has been charged after his

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child overdoses on cocaine at the.

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Beach, because that's what you need to have at the

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beach with us.

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eBay is on the hook for fifty five million, fifty

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five million dollars in a mass A stalking lawsuit that

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I found very interesting. Also in overtime, and kayakers have

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found the remains of a woman missing for over forty

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years is also coming in the overtime segment.

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So welcome to Crime Wire Weekly.

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I'm Jim Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.

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Kelly.

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Anything new, Yeah, there's actually a lot new. And I

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think that the news has been wild this week with

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updates and big cases and trials that are taking place, big.

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Ones, big ones. Yeah, that's right.

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And I know that you've been all over Nolan Wells

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one yourself.

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Oh yeah, yeah, I'm invested in that case. I mean,

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you know, it's right here around the corner from where

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we record. I mean it's literally an hour and a

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half away. Been there many times, the Ocean Springs, Mississippi area,

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And there's a lot of so much misinformation out there

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right now that you know, I'm struggling to correct I mean,

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because people make up their minds and they can have

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I will never understand how people can have all the

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evidence sitting right in front of them and still go

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another direction.

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The reality of our life is this, people will believe

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what they want to believe, and it's regardless of the evidence.

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I mean, we find, we have videos, you can have audience,

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think about it.

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Think about this too, Like you ever met somebody, I'm guilty.

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I'll tell you this right now. If I've ever met

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somebody before and then my best friend doesn't like them,

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I will make up my mind right then. Now. It

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doesn't mean over time that that opinion won't change. But

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I think sometimes we look through these glasses that we have.

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You know, everyone's got their own predisposition to what they

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think has occurred or will occur or has occurred, and

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it affects the truth. And the truth cannot work that way. Yeah,

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you know, the truth has got to prevail regardless.

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Right, I agree?

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All right, let's start out our first story in Forever.

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Pretty much I have called this guy d four VD,

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not realizing his actual it's you know, who would pronounce

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that as David? I don't know, but the edgy way

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clearly how her name is pronounced, So we're gonna go

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with David. A multi day preliminary hearing in Los Angeles

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has given a clear the clearest look yet at the

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evidence prosecutors say they have against singer David Anthony Burke

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known as David but spelled D four VB in the

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killing of fourteen year old Celeste Hernandez.

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Burke, who is twenty one years old, is a he's

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a murdering the teenager after she threatened to expose their

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relationship and damage his music career. He is pleaded not

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guilty the first degree murder, continuous sexual assault of a

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child under.

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Fourteen, and mutilating human remains.

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A judge is now deciding whether there's enough evidence to

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send this case to trial.

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Celeste dismember body was found in September of twenty twenty five,

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and we covered it on this show. It was inside

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the front trunk of a tesla. Uh and they commonly

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refer to that as the fronk. Yeah, my corvette opens

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from the front. Well, my part has a front trunk,

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and it's called a frunk as a regular trunk.

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There you go. Well, you need to step up.

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Girl, it's called a bronk. It's in the back.

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Right, all right. So detectives showed photos at.

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The hearing of the remains pulled from the tesla and

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LAPD detective Joshua Buyers describe what was visible. Quote, there

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you see the head and torso minus the limbs. Other

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photos showed blue plastic fragments embedded in a knee, pieces

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prosecutors said came from an inflatable pool that was used

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during the dismemberment. Photos of a severed head were also displayed.

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Two fingers were missing.

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Prosecutors previously indicated those fingers carried a tattoo of Burke's name.

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Booking photos of Burke showed he had a tattoo of

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Celeste on his left ring finger as well. The medical

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examiner testified about the autopsy, including two puncture wounds to

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the chest and abdomen that were determined to be the

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cause of death. An LAPD detective he testified about nearly

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fifty sexually explicit photos recovered from Burke's phone and iCloud data.

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The images themselves were not shown in open court, but

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the detective described them and identified both Burke and Celeste

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in some of those photos. The first online contact between

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the two, according to testimony, dated back to August of

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twenty twenty two, when Celeste was eleven. The sexual relationship,

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prosecutor say, began when she was thirteen. Graphic text messages

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were read in court detailing passed and future sexual encounters

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in discussions about their relationship. Other messages showed Celeste talking

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about taking Plan B, getting an abortion, and later expressing

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deep regret. One message attributed to her read, I killed

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my first kid for you. Throughout the testimony, prosecutors repeatedly

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emphasized her age.

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She was thirteen and Burke was eighteen or nineteen during

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that period.

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Detective buyers also testified that items were ordered to Bart's

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home under aliases under the name Travion Davis. Prosecutor says

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he ordered a fireproof matt, a shovel, an inflatable pool,

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and several chainsaws from Amazon. Two chainsaws were recovered at

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the home and they showed no blood. A third purchase

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from home Depot was never found. A burn box described

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as a mini cremation style device was ordered under the

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alias Victoria Martinez, and it was found unopened and in

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its original packaging. Detective defense attorneys rather questioned why it

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was not tested for touch GNA given that some people

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had access to the home. Criminologist Samantha Torch testified the

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blood samples from the trunk of that Tesla, as well

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as stains on the garage floor. Matt a rowing machine

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and a Tesla charger plug produced statistically strong matches to

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Celeste DNA. The defense challenged the strength of some mixed

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DNA samples in the decision not to further test those

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were covered chainsaws. Prosecutors alleged they made three trips to

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the Santa Barbara County after celeste disappearance, including the day

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they believe she was killed. Cellar data from a phone

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linked to Burke and the motim in is Tesla put

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him near Highway one point fifty four, which is the

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same stretch of road where Celeste passport ID was later

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found by a roadside worker who happened to step into the.

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Brush on the night of the alleged trip.

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Record showed out going calls made from the phone to

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Celeste number at twelve to four pm, and body camera

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video from a February twe twenty four welfare check was

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also played, and it Burke told a deputy that Celesti

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had told him she was eighteen and that he hoped

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she would be found. And you know, at the center

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of this case also was money. Interscope Records executive said

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Burke's contract was worth up to nineteen million if future

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albums were delivered. His financial manager testified here in between

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ten and eleven million between twenty twenty three and twenty

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twenty five. So He's mean, Aaron had a ton of money.

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And the big concern here was this would get out

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that he was messing with his child and it would

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ruin his career. And they are framing that as the

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motive for this horrific murder of this child.

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I mean, I would have to agree. I think this

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is first of all, sometimes I have to take a

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step back and think about something. And eleven years old, y'all,

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is sixth grade. Just a fer perspective, eleven years old

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is a on sixth grade. So by the time she

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hadn't even made it to high school. By the time

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you're in eighth grade, you're thirteen years old. You're dealing with,

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you know, the regret of terminating a baby. You're in

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a relationship with someone way too old to ever have been.

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You know, this is predatory, that's what this is. I mean,

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there's no reason that an eighteen year old should have

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any interest whatsoever in an eleven year old. You have

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nothing in common, and that alone, in perspective, makes this

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just off kilter to begin with. But then you know,

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things like the chainsaws that are purchased. We all can

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imagine what happened here. She was lured to the home,

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they're fighting, he kills her, what stabs her or whatever,

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and then they dismember her body with the chainsaws. So

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they can harp on the DNA all they want to,

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and how strong of a match the DNA is. They

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can do all of that. But what happens here is

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that we have to let common sense prevail and a

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child is missing. You ordered all of these chainsaws. You

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can obviously see the premeditation here because things were bought

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under fake names, and it's all going to add up.

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I know that's circumstantial, I get it, but it makes

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sense that money is the is the is the reason,

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and she's a child and they figured, you know, hell,

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she's been under what his stead here for so long

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as a child that they did. I guess he thought

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nobody would care. She could go missing and he would

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continue to make his millions.

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Yeah, horrifically.

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I mean, this is a little member, a little girl.

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This is a little girl. And what as a mother,

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and I know you're a father too, but as a parent,

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you know, I have children this age right now. They

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do not have the capacity nor the uh, the maturity

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or ability to be dealing with the level of problematic

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things that were happening here. This is a child fighting

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an adult and she didn't win, right, So I hope

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that he gets everything that he's got coming towards him.

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Yeah, all right, let's go to uh Tulsa, Oakland and

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man TikTok. When this thing first took off, do you remember,

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like at first, I didn't get on it because I

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I don't know, I just thought that it was going

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to be a fad or something.

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certainly didn't see it being as big as it is.

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Me either, and with great interesting fun stuff. Because I'm

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now I'm I'm addicted to TikTok.

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Come please follow her TikTok, y'all, My TikTok is horrible.

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Please follow her TikTok. I don't don't she wants to

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be a TikTok star or something.

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But Jim thinks I want to be a TikTok star.

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I just want to hold the fall in love with

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my bird. Teddy is a freaking and it's his third

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birthday by the way, so happy birthday to my bird.

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But anyway, tiktoks that people can fallow.

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I don't even know what it is.

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I think it's add unspeakable to the podcast or something,

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is it?

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I think whatever, it's just me anyway, I don't post

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a lot on there, but regardless, I love TikTok. I

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like watching the videos, and I like when the algorithm

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gets in line with what you what you like. You know,

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I've got a lot of policing videos and stuff like this.

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But with great things comes a lot of responsibility. And

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now it's a couple dealing with some serious problems here. So,

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an Oklahoma social media influencer and hairstylist was fatally shot

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by her estranged husband less than two weeks after posting

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a TikTok video accusing him of being a pedophile. Sarah Gilson,

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forty three, was found dead Thursday, July twenty third, alongside

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her husband, Jeremiah, who went by Sean Duffy, who's forty eight.

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Police say the deaths appeared to be a murder suicide.

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A child in the home discovered the scene, which that

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I don't know how you even recover from that as

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a kid, but a child recovered that scene and is

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the one who called nine one one after hearing what

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was described as a disturbance. According to police, officers initially

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responded to a domestic violence call around eleven sixteen PM

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after dispatcher's heard a woman screaming followed by what sounded

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like a gunshot. A short time later, a boy called

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nine to one one from a neighbor's house and reported

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that his stepfather had shot his mother. When officers arrived,

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they found both Gilson and Duffy dead from a parent

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gunshot wounds to the head. Gilson, who went by at

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Miss Gilson on TikTok and she had over thirty thousand followers,

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posted a video on July eleventh, participating in a popular

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Netflix documentary trend which I've seen this go viral. I've

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wanted to do it too. Through that music plays and

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it's like you're getting ready, you know, set up for

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an interview, and in the clip, she sat in a

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chair facing the camera and wrote in a text overlay,

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preparing for when Netflix drops a documentary about my soon

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to be ex husband, who I just found out is

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a pedophile. She added, I wish I was joking along

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the hashtags along with the hashtags referencing the trend. The

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accusation stemmed from events in early June. On June ninth,

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the fifteen year old girl who played on a youth

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basketball team in which her ex husband coached and her

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to the child and her parent, reported to police that

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he had inappropriately touched her during an event at an

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elementary school. Another coach intervened and reported the incident. Police

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said similar conduct toward the same player had allegedly occurred

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over an extended period across multiple jurisdictions and states. Because

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Duffy is a member of the Osage Nation and the

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incident occurred on tribal land, the case was referred to

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the US Attorney's Office for review on a potential lewd

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molestation charge. Police contacted Gilson the following day and advised

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her on seeking protection. On June tenth, she obtained an

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emergency protective order against Duffy in Tulsa County, and then

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court records show the order required him to stay one

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hundred yards away from her and the home. In the filing,

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Gilson alleged Duffy had a firearm, threatened suicide, and Quote

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went on the run. The same day. The mother of

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the fifteen year old player had also filed for a

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protective order, alleging Duffy had kissed and touched her daughter,

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invited her to his hotel room during the tournament, and

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offered her money to Quote keep quiet. Gilson had previously

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sought protective orders against Duffy in twenty twenty one. Those

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were dismissed after she did not appear for the hearings.

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Gilson leaves behind two children. A GoFundMe was created to

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support them, with Gilson or with organizers describing Gilson as

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an incredible mom whose children were the center of her world.

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Police said the investigation into the deaths continues, but there

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is no ongoing threat to the public. The molestation allegations

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against Duffy remain under federal review.

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Yeah, and if you're watching this on Patreon right now,

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you're seeing a screenshot.

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Of the actual post that she did with this trend

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on Netflix.

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And it's interesting that when she released that, it actually

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shut up on my feed.

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That's how I saw it.

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Yeah, And of course a few days, you know, shortly thereafter,

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find an article that says she's been killed.

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And I remember when she put that.

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On there, I was thinking, oh man, that's going to

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have a repercussion. You know, I didn't know anything about

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the case, but in my mind, I'm thinking number one,

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I'm thinking.

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I hope she's not falsifying that. And he didn't do anything.

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I didn't know anything about that case, and sometimes he's

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divorces can get ugly. I wondered if it was certainly

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you know, I was in shock when I heard that

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same girl had been killed because I don't even follow her.

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It just shut up on my feed, or didn't follow

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her when she was alive. It just shut up on

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my feed as a recommended follow. But horrific and she

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was mad and she's beautiful girl.

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And that video had one point five million oh yeahs.

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Yeah, it was everywhere, and apparently h push this asshole

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over the edge. You know, if he's indeed guilty of

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all of these things and then killed himself.

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And I would have to argue here that it's probably

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true because well, the reason I would say that, Okay, obviously.

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We don't know.

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Obviously we have no clue. But what I would the

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reason I say that is because if he offered her

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money to quote keep her quiet, then.

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Silence that would point to guilt. That would point to guilt,

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and just a horrible situation. And a child involved in this.

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Yeah, you know, my own my own friend and she

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was my bridesmaid, was murdered by her husband and their

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child witnessed it. And these are just things that you

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I don't know how children are so resilient, I'll give

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them that, and that's one thing that I guess is good.

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But to witness something at this magnitude that young. We

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got to pray for those kids. Yeah, that's I mean,

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life altering obviously, but just that's bad.

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All right, Let's go to uh Tucson, Arizona and Nancy

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Guthrie back in the news, of course. Nearly six months ago,

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eighty four year old Nancy Guthrie vanished from her Tucson,

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Arizona home, and the complete contents of that first ransom

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note have been sent or sent to her family have

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been made public for the first time.

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Let me ask you this real quick. Didn't TMZ release

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part of the ransom note or something at first?

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You will?

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There were seven ransom notes and TMZ did release one

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cent to them, to them, OK, to them, this was

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not that particular note, and there were pieces of this one.

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I want to say, they reported on. Yeah, but never

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has the full ransom note been read. So crime journalist

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Briana Whitney read the full note on Crime Junkie podcast.

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The message was addressed directly to her daughter Today's show

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co anchor, Savannah Guthrie, and it was sent on or

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around February second of twenty twenty six, which was one

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day after Nancy was reported missing. According to Crime Junkies reading,

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the note began, Hello, Savannah, we have your mother Nancy.

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She is safe but scared.

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She will be held for ransom and once payment is

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received she will be released unharmed. We will be holding her.

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For a maximum of seven days.

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It then demanded millions of dollars in bitcoins, starting at

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four million, with the deadline of Thursday, February fifth, which

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escalated to six million if that was missed, with the

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final deadline of Monday February ninth, at five pm. The

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note continued, Once payment is received at the Bigcoin addressed below,

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she will be released within twelve hours of deposit to

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a safe drop off location back in Tucson. If the

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payment is not received by the last deadline on Monday

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the ninth, by five pm, she will be killed. Your

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mother is aware of this, and her life is in

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your hands. It is in the best interest of everyone

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to have this completed ascent as possible. You will not

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be able to contact me from here on out. There

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will be no negotiations. Do not play games. Law enforcement

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will not be able to help you. Authorities have previously confirmed.

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The note contained specific details about Nancy Guthrie's home that

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were not public at the time, including the location of

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her Apple Watch with a white band, left on the

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floor near her bed in a disabled floodlight on the

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back porch. Those details led investigators to treat the communication seriously.

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A second note, since day's letter from the same IP address,

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with the final deadline still approaching, took a sharply different tone.

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It claimed Nancy died shortly after the abduction from what

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the sender described as heart related to issues. The messages

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stated the captors did not fully grasp the seriousness of

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her physical conditions, and said her death was unintentional, claiming

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she was quote buried in nature, and offered an apology.

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The FBI had had said some ransom communications were determined

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to be illegitimate extortion attempts, while others remained under investigation

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as potentially legitimate. A California man has already pleaded guilty

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to sending fake ransom demands.

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Can you believe that related to this case?

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No other arrest had been made in connection with the disappearance,

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and the investigation continues to be treated as a kidnapping

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for ransom.

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So a few things about this case, And obviously I'm

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going to preface this by saying speculation. You know, obviously

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I have no more information than you or anybody else

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about this case. But I am just really feeling like

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this is what it is in this instance, Like they

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took her because they asked for an amount that they

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I think they did their research on Savannah Guthrie, first

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of all, and I think they knew what her income.

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You can look that up online and see what celebrities

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you know, make and all that net worth. So let's

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just guess here. I don't know this, but let's just

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guess they're only asking for like three percent of her

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net worth. You know, then they fully would have expected

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she'll she'll pay the money, and then we can release

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the mom and then we're rich and life is good.

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However they did I think they did. I think they

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underestimated how necessary her medication was. And then you put

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that old woman under that kind of stress and she

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has a heart attack and die. You know what I'm saying, like,

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you can't look at the unintended consent or the consequences

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if this was your first kidnapping, of what that body

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will go through, what that person will go through, and

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then she up and dies, and they're fucked like, oh

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my god, we didn't This is not what we wanted.

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You know what I'm saying, This is not what we

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wanted at all. And I think they panicked. I do

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think that they panicked, and they said, oh my god,

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this is not the plan. What do we do now?

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And that's why they would send another letter and say

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this was not intended. We did not mean to do that,

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you know, because I don't know that they necessarily did.

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Well, here, you and I have two different theories, right, go,

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So here's my thought. And of course, y'all we are

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totally speculatingdah, we don't know. Obviously, we know nothing.

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I have thought for a long time that.

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They killed her intentionally, okay, that it wasn't a natural

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cause this thing. And I think the reason they did

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it was they did not realize how big this was

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going to be, you know. And no, I don't think

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they realized that the President of the United States was

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going to come out and say, you have all the

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resources you need to get Nancy back. And I think

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they freaked out because they're like, if we if we

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return her, we're taking an even bigger chance because they

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likely would have been caught if that would have had

463
00:25:06.400 --> 00:25:10.359
the information she had some and somebody's gonna see something.

464
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:12.599
They were probably worried about that.

465
00:25:12.480 --> 00:25:14.960
And they knew if we just wash our hands of this,

466
00:25:15.359 --> 00:25:18.839
say she died of natural causes, we can get out

467
00:25:18.880 --> 00:25:19.119
of this.

468
00:25:19.160 --> 00:25:20.160
There's too much heat.

469
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:22.799
I don't think they thought it would be this much

470
00:25:22.839 --> 00:25:25.519
heat on this case. I mean, in today's show, host,

471
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.759
you wouldn't think would be that big of a deal.

472
00:25:29.000 --> 00:25:29.279
I don't.

473
00:25:29.440 --> 00:25:32.039
So this is where the question, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, and

474
00:25:32.319 --> 00:25:34.279
I like talking it through with you because everybody's got

475
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.960
different thoughts and we don't know. But my thing all

476
00:25:37.279 --> 00:25:39.920
goes back to her pacemaker. If I didn't have any

477
00:25:39.960 --> 00:25:44.480
intention of using her as a bargaining chip, like proof

478
00:25:44.519 --> 00:25:46.279
of life or something like that, then I would have

479
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.599
thought she would have been done rather quickly. But that

480
00:25:49.720 --> 00:25:53.240
pacemaker continued working for a while. And that's the only

481
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.160
reason why they don't know that. Well, they do know

482
00:25:55.200 --> 00:25:57.160
when it cut contact with the Apple device or when

483
00:25:57.200 --> 00:25:58.079
it stopped functioning with you.

484
00:25:58.160 --> 00:25:59.640
Yeah, but it's like a Bluetooth.

485
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:03.000
That's like if you're wearing Bluetooth headphones and you can

486
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:05.599
get too far away from your phone and it disconnects.

487
00:26:05.799 --> 00:26:08.880
They don't know that the pacemakers when it stopped. They

488
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:10.960
just know when she was far enough away that it

489
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:12.319
was no longer connecting with.

490
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:12.960
The Apple Watch.

491
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.839
You can't get to Mexico if you're in the United

492
00:26:16.839 --> 00:26:19.160
States and your Apple Watch stay connected to your pace.

493
00:26:19.359 --> 00:26:21.640
But I thought they had pacemakers now that could send

494
00:26:21.680 --> 00:26:25.039
live data to that could send live data to.

495
00:26:25.799 --> 00:26:26.799
Not that I'm aware of.

496
00:26:27.640 --> 00:26:29.240
Maybe I'm wrong. Yeah, I don't know either.

497
00:26:29.759 --> 00:26:34.319
My understanding was the it has to stay connected via

498
00:26:34.400 --> 00:26:37.599
Bluetooth to the device whatever that is in her case

499
00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:40.599
and Apple Watch. And when she got far enough away

500
00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:45.000
where that antenna, if you will, wouldn't reach, it just disconnected, which.

501
00:26:44.799 --> 00:26:46.359
Would have meant that they kept her close by.

502
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.440
No, it disconnected so she was far by. You just

503
00:26:50.599 --> 00:26:50.880
know what.

504
00:26:51.039 --> 00:26:53.599
But I'm saying it didn't disconnect immediately. Wasn't it like

505
00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:55.200
it went on for hours before?

506
00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:57.039
I don't remember it saying.

507
00:26:56.759 --> 00:26:59.640
See stuff like that, those little nuances, those that small

508
00:26:59.680 --> 00:27:01.880
detail is stuff that we would have to really.

509
00:27:02.240 --> 00:27:04.680
Yeah, I don't remember them saying it went on for

510
00:27:04.720 --> 00:27:05.599
a length of time.

511
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:07.079
Well, I'll just leave it at this. Then I'd be

512
00:27:07.200 --> 00:27:10.680
very interested to know the exact amount of time and

513
00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:13.200
not speculation, but the exact amount of time on that,

514
00:27:13.359 --> 00:27:16.759
because if it did stay connected, let's say for forty

515
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:19.640
eight hours before it disconnects, Oh, I know.

516
00:27:19.640 --> 00:27:22.720
It wasn't that long. It was it was within an

517
00:27:22.720 --> 00:27:26.799
hour or less. I'm telling you. It's like your headphones

518
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.519
on your you ever wore Bluetooth headphones and then got

519
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:34.400
too far away from or or your your car connects

520
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:38.079
to your Bluetooth and on your phone, and maybe you

521
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:39.880
leave your phone at your house and you drive to

522
00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:42.960
the store, and eventually as you're driving off together to

523
00:27:43.039 --> 00:27:45.400
the store, you're it disconnects from your.

524
00:27:45.279 --> 00:27:47.839
Phone because that's at your house, same situation.

525
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.279
You're talking minutes, okay, not not any longer than that.

526
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:56.599
That's to my recollection. Now, certainly I could be wrong, right,

527
00:27:56.680 --> 00:28:02.920
but that's that's to my recollection on that. Regardless of it,

528
00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:05.720
it's horrific and I don't know that it Sadly, I

529
00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:06.720
don't think they're ever.

530
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:08.359
Going to find this, Nancy.

531
00:28:08.480 --> 00:28:11.039
I don't. I don't think they will either. So just

532
00:28:11.119 --> 00:28:14.640
a quickly a quick research here says and again just

533
00:28:14.640 --> 00:28:18.480
a quick research says, a Bluetooth enabled pacemaker typically stays

534
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:22.200
connected to a sinct smartphone or device only while within range,

535
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:26.000
which is thirty feet, and loses its active pairing connection

536
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:29.279
if moved out of range for more than roughly twenty

537
00:28:29.319 --> 00:28:30.039
four hours.

538
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.680
And so so it's going to disconnect the second they

539
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.759
leave the house. Now it'll and what they mean by

540
00:28:37.799 --> 00:28:41.240
pairing is you'd have to repair it after twenty four hours.

541
00:28:41.599 --> 00:28:44.599
But it's not going to know where whether it's ticking.

542
00:28:44.359 --> 00:28:47.559
Or not for twenty four hours's only going to know

543
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:49.880
it can only know when it's connected.

544
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:52.559
Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense, and it says that

545
00:28:52.720 --> 00:28:56.319
data on her particular like type, according to this quick

546
00:28:56.359 --> 00:29:00.000
search again, is typically transmitted automatically once a day, usually

547
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:03.000
between twelve am and four am, which.

548
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:05.720
You would have to be connected for that to happen, right.

549
00:29:05.680 --> 00:29:08.799
Right, right, So you know, hey, I don't claim to

550
00:29:08.839 --> 00:29:11.680
know everything, you know? And so come on, I was

551
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.319
tested and they said negative for knowing everything. But yeah, yeah,

552
00:29:14.359 --> 00:29:16.759
I think that she will be a very hard find

553
00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:18.240
at this point.

554
00:29:18.359 --> 00:29:19.039
I agree.

555
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:23.400
All right, let's stay right here in Livingston Parish, Louisiana,

556
00:29:23.519 --> 00:29:26.720
the great state of Louisiana. But this is big, okay,

557
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.839
And this just hit the news. So a Morrero woman

558
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.200
is facing charge. It not Marrero. Where's Marrero?

559
00:29:31.640 --> 00:29:33.480
That's it like down by New Orleans.

560
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:35.559
Yeah okay, So people who aren't from here would know

561
00:29:35.599 --> 00:29:38.000
that this is not in the parish. It's out of

562
00:29:38.000 --> 00:29:40.880
the parish. A Morrero woman is facing charges as part

563
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:44.720
of an investigation into online and phone threats, harassment, and

564
00:29:44.799 --> 00:29:47.519
extortion right here in our parish. So, according to the

565
00:29:47.519 --> 00:29:51.400
Sheriff's office, deputies arrested Haiti or Tez, she's twenty nine

566
00:29:51.480 --> 00:29:54.440
years old, and booked her into the LPSO Detention Center

567
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:59.279
on the following charges unlawful dissemination of AI nude photos

568
00:29:59.759 --> 00:30:05.240
on line, impersonation, injuring public record, extortion, and domestic stalking.

569
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:08.400
One alleged victim was receiving threats of rape and other

570
00:30:08.480 --> 00:30:12.039
bodily harm in exchange for monetary funds to prevent threats

571
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.599
from happening. And that's according to our sheriff, AI generated

572
00:30:15.599 --> 00:30:18.559
photos and shriff art all right, thank you.

573
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:21.519
The wonderful people in other states don't know who it is.

574
00:30:21.559 --> 00:30:22.559
That's true.

575
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:23.680
Give him a shout out.

576
00:30:23.720 --> 00:30:27.119
Shout out, sheriff. I know he's listening, all right. Uh.

577
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.839
An AI generated photo or photos and videos were created

578
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:33.559
of one of the victims and were sent out to

579
00:30:33.640 --> 00:30:37.599
numerous family members and friends. As the investigation continued, the

580
00:30:37.680 --> 00:30:40.640
sheriff said more threats were sent to the victims, now

581
00:30:40.680 --> 00:30:44.000
threatening to get one of the victims employments terminated. According

582
00:30:44.000 --> 00:30:47.279
to the Sheriff's office because of allegations of overseas suspects

583
00:30:47.319 --> 00:30:51.519
being involved due to past relationships and acquaintances in Greece.

584
00:30:51.920 --> 00:30:56.240
Homeland Security helped deputies in this investigation. The investigation took

585
00:30:56.279 --> 00:30:59.920
a wild turn when search returns and subpoenas from search

586
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.160
and suspect platforms used to make these harassing messages and

587
00:31:03.200 --> 00:31:06.319
threats started coming back. The investigation led back to an

588
00:31:06.319 --> 00:31:09.799
individual and the questioning of as at first believed to

589
00:31:09.839 --> 00:31:12.480
be a victim, but she's now the suspect.

590
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:18.000
Haiti Ortiz talk about a twist in that case, and

591
00:31:18.519 --> 00:31:22.519
so as I understand it, she was doing this to

592
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.680
other people, and it looks like she did this to

593
00:31:25.720 --> 00:31:30.720
herself to throw the throw the scent off of her,

594
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:31.400
if you will.

595
00:31:31.759 --> 00:31:34.359
So if she's making AI.

596
00:31:34.920 --> 00:31:38.279
Images of herself, she can say I'm a victim. Thinking

597
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:42.680
police will never put two and two together with dumbas lpso.

598
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:43.799
I'm not always going to know.

599
00:31:44.039 --> 00:31:47.119
I know, well, you know. This kind of is adjacent

600
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.119
to something I saw yesterday, a report where an Uber

601
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:56.079
driver had sent or accused these teenagers in his car

602
00:31:56.200 --> 00:32:00.359
basically of damaging and destroying his car, and so he

603
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:03.480
had he had fined the rider's seventy five dollars, which

604
00:32:03.480 --> 00:32:04.759
I didn't know you could do because I don't I

605
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:10.519
don't Uber. But anyway, the dad of the two girls Suber, Okay,

606
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:12.480
I'm not jumping in a stranger's car. I'm sorry, I'm

607
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:16.759
just not I'm not doing it. But anyway, the dad

608
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:19.039
of the girls, they went and told their dad and

609
00:32:19.039 --> 00:32:20.160
he's like, what are you talk about. They're like, we

610
00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:21.960
didn't do anything of this guy's car. Well, then the

611
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:25.000
the Uber driver submitted pictures of the damage that they

612
00:32:25.039 --> 00:32:26.880
did to the vacseat. It looked like food or vomit

613
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:29.119
or something was all over the seat. Well, the dad's

614
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:30.279
looking at it, and I was like, well, hold on a

615
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:33.680
damn minute, because in the right hand corner of the photo,

616
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:36.039
which you wouldn't have noticed unless I guess you were

617
00:32:36.039 --> 00:32:39.200
scrutinizing it was that little Gemini symbol, you know, it's

618
00:32:39.240 --> 00:32:42.119
like a kind of like a diamond. And he's like,

619
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:47.079
that's AI. And so they contacted Uber, who promptly apologized

620
00:32:47.279 --> 00:32:48.720
and sure enough it was fake.

621
00:32:49.039 --> 00:32:50.160
Yeah, to watch it.

622
00:32:50.279 --> 00:32:51.039
You have to watch it.

623
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:53.359
Man, some stuff today, But I'm still mind blowing. You

624
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:54.799
don't Ober, I do not Uber.

625
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.160
You won't market place on marketplace.

626
00:32:59.079 --> 00:33:02.000
But if you travel, how do you get to your destination?

627
00:33:03.240 --> 00:33:05.039
If you travel, you fly somewhere.

628
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:09.000
I get a rental car, Okay.

629
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:14.240
I mean that's Coolah, we'll check it out.

630
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.119
But like I get off a plane, right I may

631
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.160
not have a weapon available, and I just don't want

632
00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:21.240
to get in a stranger's car.

633
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.640
Really taking a taxi only in New.

634
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.960
York where I'm in the midst of millions of people

635
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.160
with other people. I'm just I don't know. That's a

636
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:30.640
weird one for me. I don't like school.

637
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:36.160
It's just awesome. I don't think I've ever met anybody.

638
00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:39.720
But you're right, I won't do marketplace, all right, I

639
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:41.119
read too many crime reports.

640
00:33:41.359 --> 00:33:43.559
You jump in the uber and I'll go by the

641
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:44.400
awesome anties.

642
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.400
All right, we'll do that, but back to that quickly.

643
00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:53.440
This is going to be a continuous problem with AI

644
00:33:53.960 --> 00:33:56.759
and photos and things like that. And the sad thing

645
00:33:56.920 --> 00:34:00.559
is they don't really have anything that can determine whether

646
00:34:00.640 --> 00:34:01.440
it's fake or not.

647
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:02.559
As of this point.

648
00:34:02.599 --> 00:34:06.359
There'll be little idio secrecies in some of these pictures,

649
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:07.480
but some of them.

650
00:34:07.440 --> 00:34:07.839
Are, won't.

651
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:09.960
I think the laws we can look for these laws

652
00:34:09.960 --> 00:34:12.960
to be changing very rapidly as we get a grip

653
00:34:13.280 --> 00:34:14.320
of what's going on here.

654
00:34:14.599 --> 00:34:15.199
That's right now.

655
00:34:15.239 --> 00:34:17.639
I mean, we just passed a law here in Louisiana

656
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:23.239
about uh about that creating fake AI nude images and

657
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:26.679
then extorting people. Yeah, within the last six months, right.

658
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.639
And then the argument too became about well what if

659
00:34:29.679 --> 00:34:32.719
it's okay, So, like we have child predators, right, and

660
00:34:32.760 --> 00:34:34.280
they like to have child porn on their foot on

661
00:34:34.320 --> 00:34:36.320
their phones, Well, what if it's not real? What if

662
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.800
it's fake images of child porn? Are we going to

663
00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.719
allow that? And the answer for that, right, and so

664
00:34:42.960 --> 00:34:45.480
the answer is no, we don't care if it's fake,

665
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:49.559
we don't do that. That's weird and it's unacceptable. So yeah,

666
00:34:49.599 --> 00:34:51.199
like I said, I think we're in the right direction

667
00:34:51.280 --> 00:34:53.079
of starting to make make laws against it.

668
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:53.920
That's right.

669
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:57.840
All right, let's go on the true crime time machine.

670
00:34:57.960 --> 00:35:02.360
Maybe booo, we're going to get a July first, excuse me,

671
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.760
July thirty first of nineteen sixty and I'm going to

672
00:35:06.800 --> 00:35:10.039
tell you about a Las Vegas school teacher named Russell

673
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:14.440
Allen who was searching for decorative rocks in a remote desert.

674
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:18.440
This is in Congress at well near Congress, Arizona, and

675
00:35:18.519 --> 00:35:24.679
he uncovers a partially buried remains of a young girl. Okay,

676
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:30.360
This discovery in a creek bed in that area would

677
00:35:30.360 --> 00:35:34.159
become one of the most haunting unsolved cases in Arizona.

678
00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:38.000
History and in the Southwest. The child, estimated at the

679
00:35:38.039 --> 00:35:41.000
time to be between the ages of three and six

680
00:35:41.119 --> 00:35:43.480
years old, had been dead for one or two weeks.

681
00:35:43.760 --> 00:35:48.239
Her body showed signs of having been burned. She was

682
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.719
found wearing white and red shorts, a distinctive checker blouse,

683
00:35:53.119 --> 00:35:57.159
and an adult sized and adult sized rubber flipflops that

684
00:35:57.199 --> 00:36:00.199
have been cut down to fit her small feet and

685
00:36:00.280 --> 00:36:05.320
secured with leather stripes. Her fingernails toenails painted bright red,

686
00:36:05.880 --> 00:36:09.400
and no definitive cause of death could be determined due.

687
00:36:09.159 --> 00:36:11.559
To some advanced decomposition and.

688
00:36:11.639 --> 00:36:13.880
The effects of the summer heat, but the death was

689
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:18.639
ruled a homicide. Investigators noted two other disturbing areas of

690
00:36:18.719 --> 00:36:22.400
soil nearby that appeared to be failed attempts at a burial,

691
00:36:22.719 --> 00:36:26.679
along with adult footprints and possible tire tracks. So the

692
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:30.440
community obviously deeply moved by this this is a young child,

693
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:34.480
residents bound together. They raised money for a proper funeral,

694
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:37.360
and the little girl was buried under a headstone that

695
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:42.320
simply read quote little miss Nobody with the words blessed

696
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:46.079
or the pure in heart. For sixty two years, her

697
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:52.000
identity remained a mystery despite nationwide appeals at the assistant

698
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:56.039
and countless leads. On March fifteenth of twenty twenty two,

699
00:36:56.199 --> 00:37:00.639
the Sheriff's office announced that advanced DNA technology she had

700
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:05.360
finally given her a name, Sharon Lee Gallagos. Sharon was

701
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:09.760
born on September sixth of nineteen fifty five in New Mexico,

702
00:37:10.039 --> 00:37:13.719
Alamo Gordo. She was two month shy of her fifth

703
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:17.119
birthday when she was abducted on the afternoon of July

704
00:37:17.280 --> 00:37:20.599
twenty first of nineteen sixty. While playing with two cousins

705
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:23.719
in an alley behind her grandmother's home, a couple in

706
00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:28.599
a dark green nineteen fifty two Dodge sedan approached. They

707
00:37:28.639 --> 00:37:32.199
offered her candy and new clothes, and when she refused,

708
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.920
the woman, described as a short, heavy set person in

709
00:37:36.960 --> 00:37:40.320
her thirties with dirty blonde hair, grabbed the child and

710
00:37:40.360 --> 00:37:43.599
forced her into the car. The man, described as thin

711
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.840
with sandy hair with a long nose, drove away at

712
00:37:46.880 --> 00:37:51.559
high speed. Witnesses, including her cousins, immediately reported the abduction.

713
00:37:52.079 --> 00:37:55.360
Roadblocks were set up at the New Mexico Texas border,

714
00:37:55.639 --> 00:37:59.280
but the couple was never found. Investigators later learning the

715
00:37:59.320 --> 00:38:02.440
pair had been seen in that area for several days,

716
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.199
if not weeks, before that kidnapping, and they were asking

717
00:38:06.280 --> 00:38:10.320
neighbors to pointing questions about Sharon and her mother.

718
00:38:11.079 --> 00:38:13.159
At the time, authorities.

719
00:38:12.559 --> 00:38:17.400
Briefly considered whether the Arizona remains could be belonged to

720
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:21.480
the New Mexico girl, but differences in clothing, an initial

721
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:25.079
age estimate that seemed slightly older, and the roughly five

722
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:30.079
hundred miles distance between the areas led investigators to discount

723
00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:33.800
that connection. Technology of that era just was not advanced

724
00:38:33.880 --> 00:38:36.400
enough to confirm or rule it out with any certainty.

725
00:38:36.840 --> 00:38:40.119
Now that change with modern forensic science, and in twenty

726
00:38:40.159 --> 00:38:44.599
twenty one, the Sheriff's office partnered with AUTHRAM, which is

727
00:38:44.639 --> 00:38:50.119
a Texas based forensic laboratory specializing in degraded DNA samples.

728
00:38:50.519 --> 00:38:56.400
Using forensic grade genome sequencing, scientists extracted a usable DNA

729
00:38:56.519 --> 00:39:04.079
profile from skeletal remains. Despite the extra degregation and genealogy

730
00:39:04.199 --> 00:39:09.800
that pointed to a potential biological sembling, Rapid familiar testing

731
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:15.039
confirmed a match with Sharon's half brother. The identification, announced

732
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:19.000
nearly sixty two years after this body was found today,

733
00:39:19.599 --> 00:39:24.199
is the oldest case connection cold case identification rather in

734
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:27.400
the County's history, and it were ranks among the oldest

735
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.880
salt cases by the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children.

736
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:36.199
So while Sharon Galagos finally has her name back, the

737
00:39:36.199 --> 00:39:41.039
investigation into abducted and murdered her continues. Authorities are still

738
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:44.599
looking for information that could identify the man and woman

739
00:39:44.639 --> 00:39:47.440
in the green car and explain what happened in the

740
00:39:47.519 --> 00:39:51.239
roughly ten days between her kidnapping and the discovery of

741
00:39:51.280 --> 00:39:55.760
her body in the Arizona Desert. Sharon's remains were eventually

742
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.480
returned to her family, and the little girl once known

743
00:40:00.559 --> 00:40:03.400
is little Miss Nobody, is no longer forgotten.

744
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:06.679
Exactly sixty two years later.

745
00:40:07.039 --> 00:40:09.920
You know, nineteen fifty five, it says was her birthday,

746
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:13.679
and that's the year my mama was born. And to think,

747
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:18.400
you know, that you've gone that long and nobody know

748
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:20.920
who you were is just a tragedy. I think we

749
00:40:20.920 --> 00:40:24.000
could all agree that, you know, I wish it was

750
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:26.280
a little Miss Unknown, not little Miss Nobody, that.

751
00:40:26.480 --> 00:40:28.840
It was a weird, weird choice of words, but that's

752
00:40:28.880 --> 00:40:30.760
what the community chose.

753
00:40:30.840 --> 00:40:32.960
And but.

754
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.920
This is almost like a community tomb of the unknown

755
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.280
soldier in a weird way, you know, like people regarded

756
00:40:40.320 --> 00:40:42.239
the child, you know, they cared if they didn't know

757
00:40:42.239 --> 00:40:44.039
who she was and to be found in a creek

758
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:47.400
bed like that. But you know, the captors are probably dead.

759
00:40:47.519 --> 00:40:49.360
The killers are probably dead at this point because she'd

760
00:40:49.400 --> 00:40:53.400
be in her seventies. That make these guys probably you know, nineties.

761
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:56.840
So will it be solved, Probably not. But I can

762
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:01.000
tell you, sitting here today, I would have much much

763
00:41:01.119 --> 00:41:03.480
rather be able to identify her and let her rest

764
00:41:03.480 --> 00:41:05.400
in peace and her family know than to catch her

765
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:07.599
killers at this point. It's it's moot if they're dead,

766
00:41:09.159 --> 00:41:13.719
you know. But genetic genealogy. Genealogy is a gift. Uh,

767
00:41:13.880 --> 00:41:17.199
it's incredible. I've said this before, but I spoke personally

768
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.599
with the incredible C. C. Moore, who really has you know,

769
00:41:20.719 --> 00:41:24.760
driven this, this this science, and I think that only

770
00:41:24.840 --> 00:41:27.119
good things are going to come come from this.

771
00:41:27.880 --> 00:41:28.559
I agree.

772
00:41:28.639 --> 00:41:31.280
And if you're watching on the Patreon right now, of

773
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.119
course we do the video versions of this podcast, you

774
00:41:34.159 --> 00:41:37.320
can see the actual headstone with little Miss Nobody on it.

775
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.880
Pop that up for you, as well as a newspaper article.

776
00:41:41.039 --> 00:41:42.000
Yeah on the case.

777
00:41:42.199 --> 00:41:45.000
Just because it's old doesn't make it any less important.

778
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:46.719
And so I'm glad you. I'm glad you wrote that

779
00:41:46.719 --> 00:41:48.639
one and cover that one. That's a good one. All right,

780
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:52.360
let's go to Stark, Florida. Now we're about to get

781
00:41:52.719 --> 00:41:54.920
dark and to the point with this one, because Ron

782
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:59.880
DeSantis is not joking. Is not joking. F a fo So,

783
00:42:01.119 --> 00:42:04.960
Florida executed a former police officer Tuesday afternoon and planned

784
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.639
a second lethal injection hours later, marking the state's first

785
00:42:08.679 --> 00:42:13.000
double execution in more than sixty years. James Aaron Duckett,

786
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:15.719
sixty eight, was pronounced dead at one nineteen pm following

787
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:19.360
a three jug three drug lethal injection at Florida State Prison.

788
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:22.039
He was the eleventh inmate executed by the state in

789
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:26.800
twenty twenty six. Dominic Anthony O Kee Cooney is how

790
00:42:26.800 --> 00:42:28.559
I had to look that one up because it's a

791
00:42:28.559 --> 00:42:33.239
different Okcone Junior, he was eighty, was scheduled to follow

792
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:35.440
at six pm the same day, which would make him

793
00:42:35.480 --> 00:42:39.039
the oldest person executed in Florida's modern history. The pairing

794
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:41.039
of the two executions on a single day is the

795
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:44.079
first in Florida since May of nineteen sixty four, when

796
00:42:44.159 --> 00:42:49.159
Emmett Blake and cy Dawson were electrocuted. Same day executions

797
00:42:49.199 --> 00:42:52.320
were more common in earlier decades. State records show Florida

798
00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.480
carried them out thirty two times between nineteen twenty four

799
00:42:55.559 --> 00:42:59.079
and nineteen sixty four. Nationwide, the last time a state

800
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:01.960
conducted two exit acutions on the same day was in

801
00:43:02.199 --> 00:43:05.800
Arkansas in twenty seventeen. So the South is like not

802
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:06.679
playing around.

803
00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:07.800
With these executions.

804
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:12.480
Duckett, a former Mascot police officer, was convicted of the

805
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:15.199
May nineteen eighty seven rape and murder of eleven year

806
00:43:15.239 --> 00:43:19.760
old Teresa May mcabbey, and on the night of the crime,

807
00:43:19.800 --> 00:43:22.800
the girl walked to a convenience store. Duckett, the only

808
00:43:22.840 --> 00:43:26.320
officer on duty, was seen interacting with her near the store.

809
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.760
Her body was later found in a nearby lake. Medical

810
00:43:29.760 --> 00:43:33.320
examiners determined she had been sexually assaulted while alive, strangled,

811
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:37.239
and then drowned. Duckett maintained his innocence for nearly four decades.

812
00:43:37.280 --> 00:43:41.920
His case rested heavily on circumstantial evidence, including fingerprints, tire tracks,

813
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.800
and a hair comparison. Later questioned by defense experts. Recent

814
00:43:45.920 --> 00:43:50.079
DNA testing ordered after a stay of execution on an

815
00:43:50.119 --> 00:43:55.440
earlier warrant, returned inconclusive results. Oki Kone was convicted in

816
00:43:55.559 --> 00:43:59.159
June of nineteen eighty six. It was multiple murders. It

817
00:43:59.199 --> 00:44:02.599
was the murders of Rain and Martha Artzner, the parents

818
00:44:02.599 --> 00:44:04.800
of his ex girlfriend. And this was at their home

819
00:44:04.840 --> 00:44:08.800
in Holiday in Pascoe County. Sorry, I'm struggling here with

820
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:12.360
all these locations. He shot Raymond in the face and

821
00:44:12.400 --> 00:44:15.360
shot Martha four times, including three times in the chest.

822
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:18.039
He received a death sentence for Martha's murder and a

823
00:44:18.039 --> 00:44:20.599
life sentence for Raymonds. At the time of the crime,

824
00:44:21.599 --> 00:44:24.440
ok kone was angry over the couple's role in the

825
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.920
breakup of his relationship. I'd have to argue here that

826
00:44:27.000 --> 00:44:32.119
those parents were probably right sound talking. Yeah. Both men

827
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:35.400
were sentenced under non unanimous jury recommendations that would not

828
00:44:35.519 --> 00:44:38.320
meet today's standards in Florida, which now requires at least

829
00:44:38.320 --> 00:44:41.519
eight votes for death. Duckett's jerry voted eight to four

830
00:44:41.559 --> 00:44:45.880
for death. Okone is voted seven to five. Both spent

831
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:49.000
nearly four decades on death row. Last minute appeals to

832
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.199
the Florida Supreme Court and the U. S Supreme Court

833
00:44:51.199 --> 00:44:55.480
were denied. Duckett's lawyers argued unresolved questions of innocence and

834
00:44:55.559 --> 00:45:00.400
DNA handling. Okcone's attorneys cited his advanced age, sidney and

835
00:45:00.400 --> 00:45:04.320
prostate problems, and other ailments, contending that lethal injection could

836
00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:09.559
constitute cruel and unusual punishment. Sorry, kJ comment here, Get

837
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:11.920
out of here, Get the hell out of here, because

838
00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:14.440
I think shooting people in the face and in the

839
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.840
chest multiple times is forty damn cruel. Not to mention

840
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:19.719
their daughter had to live her entire life, so I

841
00:45:19.719 --> 00:45:22.440
don't give a shit about your prostate, sir, all right.

842
00:45:22.639 --> 00:45:25.559
Governor Ron DeSantis signed the warrants. He has accelerated the

843
00:45:25.559 --> 00:45:28.039
pace of executions in his final years in office after

844
00:45:28.079 --> 00:45:31.239
relatively few in his earlier terms. Florida carried out a

845
00:45:31.320 --> 00:45:34.840
record nineteen executions in twenty twenty five. DeSantis has said

846
00:45:34.840 --> 00:45:38.079
the goal is to deliver long delay justice to victims' families,

847
00:45:38.280 --> 00:45:41.480
noting many of the crimes date to the nineteen eighties. Critics,

848
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:45.920
including anti death penalty groups, called the double execution and escalation,

849
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.880
and question both the logistics of back to back procedures

850
00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:53.000
and the fairness of cases involving non unanimous juries, advanced

851
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:56.960
age and lingering evidentiary disputes. Again, age doesn't matter to me?

852
00:45:57.039 --> 00:45:59.639
Does it matter to you? I could care less. Prison

853
00:45:59.679 --> 00:46:03.159
of Fifi did not publicly detail any special logistical measures

854
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:06.119
required for the six hour gap between the two lethal injections.

855
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:09.320
Florida uses a three drug protocol consisting of a sedative,

856
00:46:09.400 --> 00:46:12.039
a paralytic, and a drug that stops the heart. Florida

857
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:15.239
has carried out twelve executions in twenty twenty six, continuing

858
00:46:15.280 --> 00:46:19.400
its position as the nation's busiest death penalty state this year.

859
00:46:20.239 --> 00:46:22.880
A couple of things on that man, you hit the

860
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.639
nail on the head. Florida don't play Obviously, they're rolling

861
00:46:26.639 --> 00:46:27.719
them out two at a time.

862
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:29.039
That's a big deal.

863
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:33.519
You know, I know there's people out there don't agree

864
00:46:33.559 --> 00:46:37.159
with the death penalty. Sure, the evil that I've seen

865
00:46:37.199 --> 00:46:40.119
in cover every day. My personal opinion is there's some

866
00:46:40.159 --> 00:46:43.840
people that just don't deserve to be breathing oxygen. I'm

867
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.960
sorry to say that, but that's my opinion. Now that

868
00:46:47.119 --> 00:46:49.719
being said, one thing I do want to say is,

869
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:54.480
you know Governor Desciantists, who has done a phenomenal job

870
00:46:54.559 --> 00:47:00.440
in Florida. Everything in Florida lightly seems great. There areomy

871
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:03.639
is on fire. He has got to be one of

872
00:47:03.679 --> 00:47:06.559
the best governors in history, and I'll tell you what

873
00:47:06.800 --> 00:47:09.679
he turned out, So he's not going to be governor

874
00:47:10.960 --> 00:47:14.360
this upcoming I think twenty twenty eight is when the

875
00:47:14.400 --> 00:47:16.400
new governor will start there May And if I was

876
00:47:16.400 --> 00:47:19.400
in Florida, I'd be like, term limits suck, even though

877
00:47:19.639 --> 00:47:23.880
I'm a proponent of that in most instances. In this instance,

878
00:47:24.039 --> 00:47:27.119
that's where term limits are bad things.

879
00:47:27.159 --> 00:47:29.000
Well because people.

880
00:47:28.760 --> 00:47:30.880
Like that, Well, whoever he endorses is going to really

881
00:47:30.920 --> 00:47:33.679
matter because you know he'll expect them to follow on.

882
00:47:33.960 --> 00:47:35.639
But you know, I wanted to bring this up to

883
00:47:35.719 --> 00:47:38.239
our listeners because it's just a thought to ponder here. Okay,

884
00:47:38.280 --> 00:47:41.559
but back to this discussion about unanimous juries, because that's

885
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.519
been brought up. I this is unanimous jury specifically, is

886
00:47:45.559 --> 00:47:52.199
a topic that my opinion has changed dramatically because when

887
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.599
I first heard about unanimous jury, like in a perfect world,

888
00:47:55.679 --> 00:47:57.840
I was like, hell, yeah, you're right. You know, if

889
00:47:57.880 --> 00:48:00.320
this is a death penalty case, I I think that

890
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:03.480
everyone on the jury. Now again this is old me, okay,

891
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:06.480
but everyone on the jury would obviously see this as

892
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.159
death penalty worthy. You know what I'm saying, Like, this

893
00:48:09.239 --> 00:48:11.960
is a capital case where you've done something so egregious,

894
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.559
so horrific, so dark and devious, that everyone on the

895
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:19.280
jury would see that the death penalty was warranted. AKA,

896
00:48:19.360 --> 00:48:22.920
let's talk about like a school mass shooting. But the

897
00:48:23.000 --> 00:48:25.800
person who changed my mind on this, and it only

898
00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:29.760
took minutes, okay, is a man named Max Shacter. Max

899
00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:31.800
Shacter is the father of one of the victims in

900
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:35.639
the Parkland shooting in Florida. And what he told me

901
00:48:36.039 --> 00:48:39.159
that changed my mind was that the killer of all

902
00:48:39.199 --> 00:48:41.679
of those kids, with a documented history of being a

903
00:48:41.760 --> 00:48:46.440
nuisance and a problem, the only reason that he was

904
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.280
not executed for what he did to those kids was

905
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.840
because there was a juror who from the jump said,

906
00:48:51.880 --> 00:48:54.000
I don't care what happens, I will not vote for

907
00:48:54.039 --> 00:48:59.599
the death penalty. So one person can throw an entire

908
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:03.679
jury as far as getting the death penalty. So my

909
00:49:03.760 --> 00:49:06.320
mind has been changed on this permanently. I don't believe

910
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:07.320
in unanimus suries.

911
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.840
Talk to me, no, go for it.

912
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.280
I mean, I feel like in the case of someone

913
00:49:14.360 --> 00:49:20.239
being executed, somebody there has some the situation that you

914
00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:24.239
brought up, that's why you have strikes, and so the

915
00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:26.920
prosecution didn't have to allow that person to be on

916
00:49:27.000 --> 00:49:30.599
the jury. They obviously did. They didn't use their strike,

917
00:49:31.239 --> 00:49:35.599
so that's their fault. Quite frankly, if somebody says no

918
00:49:35.599 --> 00:49:38.519
matter what, I'm not going to guess what that disqualifies.

919
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.039
Yeah, but if they didn't say it at that point

920
00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.719
in the in the jury selection, you wouldn't know, Well.

921
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:48.039
That's correct. So they said it after, is what you're saying.

922
00:49:48.400 --> 00:49:49.360
From what I understand.

923
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:52.320
From what I understand, Okay, well if that's the case,

924
00:49:52.360 --> 00:49:56.480
that's a different scenario. But to me, if you have

925
00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:59.800
a jury for something as serious as being put to

926
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:01.760
do out because guess what, people have been put to

927
00:50:01.760 --> 00:50:04.480
death that we're innocence doesn't happen all the time, But

928
00:50:04.679 --> 00:50:08.599
DNA has exonerated people off a death row. Look it up.

929
00:50:08.800 --> 00:50:12.559
It's a pretty shocking number. So it happens. If you

930
00:50:12.679 --> 00:50:16.480
have a jury and let's say two people are one

931
00:50:16.519 --> 00:50:19.119
way and the rest of the jury is another way,

932
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:24.320
there's some doubt somewhere on that jury. I feel like

933
00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:28.280
for capital cases, I'm not necessarily against it.

934
00:50:28.320 --> 00:50:29.360
I know it's very.

935
00:50:29.199 --> 00:50:32.280
Hard to get twelve people do agree on anything, but

936
00:50:32.440 --> 00:50:35.920
on a capital case, I don't know. I mean, I'm

937
00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:38.480
kind of on the fence on that I haven't seen

938
00:50:38.559 --> 00:50:40.639
enough to change my mind that it's not a good idea.

939
00:50:40.679 --> 00:50:43.280
Well, if you're if you're like I think about it

940
00:50:43.320 --> 00:50:45.960
too in terms of like a school, Okay, you pass,

941
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:47.400
if you make an A. You don't have to have

942
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:49.119
one hundred percent A. You just have to have a

943
00:50:49.159 --> 00:50:53.679
really good score of A. If one person from the

944
00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:55.960
jump tells you, I don't care what happens, I won't

945
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:57.920
vote for the death penalty. I don't find that to

946
00:50:57.960 --> 00:51:01.079
be fair because if you're on a capital.

947
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.159
Case but they didn't say it till after, well.

948
00:51:03.239 --> 00:51:07.480
That's my understanding regardless. I don't know that they should

949
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.440
have alternates. I mean, I don't know the process. I'm

950
00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.599
not an attorney here. But but if you this from

951
00:51:12.639 --> 00:51:15.960
the jump, are not willing or able to come down

952
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:18.639
with a capital punishment verdict, then that means you're not

953
00:51:18.679 --> 00:51:21.840
an objective person. Because you're told that at the beginning

954
00:51:21.960 --> 00:51:24.639
that this is a capital case. You know that these

955
00:51:24.800 --> 00:51:28.440
this will include that type of ability, and I just

956
00:51:28.480 --> 00:51:30.119
don't like, I don't know. I just go back to

957
00:51:30.159 --> 00:51:31.440
that Parkland thing and all.

958
00:51:31.880 --> 00:51:36.320
But that doesn't happen in every every jury. You're using

959
00:51:36.480 --> 00:51:39.400
one situation and saying we should do away with the

960
00:51:39.440 --> 00:51:43.079
whole law because one guy did that on one jury,

961
00:51:43.360 --> 00:51:48.119
I would say the majority of juris the vast majority,

962
00:51:48.239 --> 00:51:52.559
probably nine hours. If you give your oath that you

963
00:51:52.639 --> 00:51:55.320
can be fair and impartial, you give your oath that

964
00:51:55.400 --> 00:51:58.960
you can be fair and impartial. I would say that

965
00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:01.719
that's not There's not one person on every jury, and

966
00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:04.719
in capital case that has that opinion, because there's tons

967
00:52:04.760 --> 00:52:08.159
that are unanimous for the death that'll be But if.

968
00:52:08.000 --> 00:52:09.360
You're looking at it, and I won't believe it, but

969
00:52:09.400 --> 00:52:12.280
I'm just at this. If the law states that if

970
00:52:12.320 --> 00:52:15.880
you do this, that the death penalty is an appropriate

971
00:52:16.039 --> 00:52:19.239
according to the law, that the death penalty is appropriate

972
00:52:19.760 --> 00:52:22.480
for what has happened, and then you just look that

973
00:52:22.599 --> 00:52:25.719
law in the face and say, Nope, I'm not going

974
00:52:25.800 --> 00:52:28.800
to do that. Don't care. I just don't find that

975
00:52:28.840 --> 00:52:30.679
to be justice. I don't find that to be fair

976
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.800
because eleven people on the jury.

977
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:35.920
I agree with you. Yeah, I'm just saying that's not

978
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:36.559
every case.

979
00:52:36.599 --> 00:52:38.440
But if it was my kid one case, if it

980
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:41.360
was my kid in that one case, it would matter

981
00:52:41.440 --> 00:52:43.159
so wholeheartedly. Of course, you know.

982
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:46.880
In that one case, but you you let that idiot.

983
00:52:47.079 --> 00:52:49.719
It sounds like this guy was an idiot control the

984
00:52:49.800 --> 00:52:53.320
law for the entire country because he had he pulled

985
00:52:53.320 --> 00:52:53.800
that off.

986
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:59.960
I just don't think that a unanimous jury is probable

987
00:53:00.519 --> 00:53:03.760
in a death penalty happens. I just don't. But I

988
00:53:03.800 --> 00:53:06.079
don't think it's I don't think it's going to be.

989
00:53:06.880 --> 00:53:08.320
I don't know how to explain what I'm saying. I

990
00:53:08.320 --> 00:53:10.000
don't think that it's more. I'd have to look at

991
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.360
the stats on it. But I guess what I'm telling

992
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:14.840
you is this, I was wholeheartedly for unanimous jury. I

993
00:53:14.880 --> 00:53:16.880
thought that it would be captain obvious to everybody. That's

994
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.039
the death penalty. It just, I guess didn't occur to

995
00:53:19.079 --> 00:53:21.000
me in that moment that you can be the best

996
00:53:21.039 --> 00:53:23.480
person on the planet with good morals, good values, good

997
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:26.639
sense of direction, but still be against the death penalty.

998
00:53:26.880 --> 00:53:29.760
And that means from the start this person may not

999
00:53:29.880 --> 00:53:33.760
get just desserts that as I see fit. And again,

1000
00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:34.559
that's a personal.

1001
00:53:34.360 --> 00:53:38.199
Thing out there like that, that's what you jury strikes for.

1002
00:53:38.599 --> 00:53:41.079
Right Well, I don't know. All I'm saying is my

1003
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:42.960
opinion is able to be swayed, and hey, it could

1004
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:43.480
change again.

1005
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:45.000
I'm trying to sway it right now.

1006
00:53:45.079 --> 00:53:47.360
It could be changed again. But I will tell you

1007
00:53:47.360 --> 00:53:51.679
what Alex shafter. I will never forget that child. I

1008
00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:53.480
will never forget what he went through. And to know

1009
00:53:53.519 --> 00:53:56.880
that one person walking around Florida denied that family the

1010
00:53:56.920 --> 00:53:59.199
peace of mind have known that that ass white will

1011
00:53:59.239 --> 00:54:03.159
never you know, breathe again. I just it irked me.

1012
00:54:03.679 --> 00:54:06.199
Maybe it's all Maybe it's an emotional agree with you,

1013
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.079
you know. Maybe it's just an emotional knee jerk moment.

1014
00:54:08.159 --> 00:54:11.239
But all right, well, let's lighten it up. Yeah, let's

1015
00:54:11.320 --> 00:54:11.719
lighten up.

1016
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:31.360
Let's go to lustful lawbreakers. All right now, I've got

1017
00:54:31.360 --> 00:54:35.840
an interesting one for you today. A sugar baby arrangement

1018
00:54:35.960 --> 00:54:39.360
has gone bad when a young woman who apparently wanted

1019
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.119
nothing to do with the strings attached fled a home

1020
00:54:43.280 --> 00:54:45.880
of a Florida man who then gave chase and his truck,

1021
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:49.280
rammed her vehicle, pulled a gun on her friend, all

1022
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:51.840
these sorts of things. That's right, It went bad quick,

1023
00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:56.760
according to investigators. David O'Brien, who was sixty seven, mind you,

1024
00:54:57.400 --> 00:55:01.400
he meets Myra Turbik, who was twenty one this month,

1025
00:55:01.480 --> 00:55:06.000
on the Tender dating app during a subsequent exchange of messages,

1026
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.599
O'Brien explained he was looking for a sugar baby, and

1027
00:55:09.679 --> 00:55:12.239
according to the ad on tender, he would pay one

1028
00:55:12.239 --> 00:55:17.679
thousand dollars each visit, plus dinner, and provide shopping excerch.

1029
00:55:18.960 --> 00:55:22.599
Sounds goody, Jay, you know I am a sugar baby, Jim,

1030
00:55:22.719 --> 00:55:24.199
but I'm married him and he loves me.

1031
00:55:24.360 --> 00:55:28.280
So O'Brien and the sugar baby as it were. They

1032
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:30.800
agreed to meet for a meal this past week, and

1033
00:55:30.920 --> 00:55:35.000
Turbick was driven to the date by three of her friends.

1034
00:55:35.039 --> 00:55:37.719
Okay, to meet this guy O'Brien.

1035
00:55:38.239 --> 00:55:41.360
They hook up, they meet, they have dinner, He gives

1036
00:55:41.400 --> 00:55:43.599
her two hundred dollars. He then took her to the

1037
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:48.480
lingerie store, where he bought her three different items of lingerie.

1038
00:55:48.599 --> 00:55:52.440
After O'Brien provided Turbick with another six hundred dollars at

1039
00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.719
the restaurant. The pair then goes back to his residence

1040
00:55:56.000 --> 00:56:01.119
in a retirement community, which O'Brien purchased in April, incidentally

1041
00:56:01.119 --> 00:56:04.239
for two hundred and seventy thousand dollars. Tourbick then tells

1042
00:56:04.440 --> 00:56:07.519
police that she began to feel kind of uncomfortable in

1043
00:56:07.559 --> 00:56:10.239
his home and she contacted her friends and said, hey,

1044
00:56:10.239 --> 00:56:13.679
come pick me up. So with his sugar baby wanting

1045
00:56:13.760 --> 00:56:17.360
to leave, O'Brien says, wait a minute, now, you should

1046
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:20.559
give me my money back because that was part of

1047
00:56:20.559 --> 00:56:25.199
the agreement. Declining the refund request, Tourbick says, now you're

1048
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.719
not getting none of your money back. She leaves the property,

1049
00:56:27.800 --> 00:56:30.880
gets in the car with a friends and leaves the area.

1050
00:56:30.960 --> 00:56:34.440
O'Brien pissed off about this. Apparently, he jumps in his

1051
00:56:34.480 --> 00:56:37.159
Ford f one fifty and he starts to chase the

1052
00:56:37.199 --> 00:56:42.360
four people. He subsequently rams the vehicle at a traffic circle,

1053
00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.880
causing it to strike a poll He then allegedly came

1054
00:56:45.920 --> 00:56:49.559
around again and hit the victim's car again, causing it

1055
00:56:49.639 --> 00:56:50.920
to become disabled.

1056
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:52.840
So, while Turbick and two of.

1057
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:56.440
Her friends run, a twenty two year old mail occupant

1058
00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:59.599
of the car was confronted by O'Brien, who pointed his

1059
00:56:59.840 --> 00:57:02.679
send me automatic rigor at him told him to get

1060
00:57:02.679 --> 00:57:05.960
on the ground or he will kill him. Eventually, O'Brien

1061
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:09.719
became distracted, and the victim told cops he was going

1062
00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:12.320
to be shot or run away, so he chose to

1063
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.519
run away. The defendant then attempted to locate other victims

1064
00:57:16.559 --> 00:57:21.000
briefly until he heard sirens coming. And when the deputies

1065
00:57:21.039 --> 00:57:23.280
get to the scene, O'Brien was at his f one

1066
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:26.320
p fifty, had the gun in his possession, and Turbic

1067
00:57:26.360 --> 00:57:30.519
and her three friends they came back and everybody gives

1068
00:57:30.519 --> 00:57:32.679
a report, and in this report they said they were

1069
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:36.119
in fear of their lives. During questioning, O'Brien said the

1070
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:39.880
topic of sex first came up during dinner, with more

1071
00:57:39.960 --> 00:57:42.519
details of the arrangement.

1072
00:57:42.039 --> 00:57:43.880
To be discussed with Turbi.

1073
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:48.159
Upon returning to his home, so O'Brien added, he began

1074
00:57:48.239 --> 00:57:52.000
a massage Turbick's feet and she was on her phone

1075
00:57:52.039 --> 00:57:52.920
the entire time.

1076
00:57:53.119 --> 00:57:54.199
How insulting that is.

1077
00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.840
Insulting now, When the woman later announced she was going

1078
00:57:56.920 --> 00:57:59.920
to call an uber, O'Brien told cops he knew thing

1079
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:02.719
he weren't going to go as planned, and he asked

1080
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:07.559
for his money back. After Turbek refused the cash.

1081
00:58:06.519 --> 00:58:09.400
He said he knew he had been scammed and angered.

1082
00:58:09.639 --> 00:58:12.800
That angered him and that's what led to all this

1083
00:58:13.960 --> 00:58:16.760
chasing down, the run and pulling of guns. So, after

1084
00:58:16.800 --> 00:58:20.480
initially being read as rights, O'Brien told police of a

1085
00:58:20.559 --> 00:58:24.199
prior sugar baby that he had. He said that paid

1086
00:58:24.280 --> 00:58:29.960
relationship worked out perfectly for him. So seen above.

1087
00:58:30.199 --> 00:58:32.639
So if you're watching this on Patreon, you're seeing this

1088
00:58:32.719 --> 00:58:35.840
above the screen, you can see the guy. He definitely

1089
00:58:35.840 --> 00:58:39.960
looks a little bit older, and he has been booked

1090
00:58:39.960 --> 00:58:43.079
into jail for this stunt on a ninety thousand dollars bond.

1091
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:45.800
All right, I think my opinion on this might surprise you.

1092
00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.960
I really do. But let's be for real right now. Okay,

1093
00:58:50.320 --> 00:58:53.480
everything that man did after the woman walked out of

1094
00:58:53.519 --> 00:58:57.559
the house was wrong. Okay, totally wrong, totally wrong. However,

1095
00:59:00.079 --> 00:59:03.079
whenever you're a sugar baby, now, I've really never been one,

1096
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.480
so I don't really know how this works. Okay, but

1097
00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:11.280
I have a very very hard time believing that this

1098
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:15.039
woman did not understand that there would be a sexual

1099
00:59:15.079 --> 00:59:17.400
component to this. I have a very hard time believing

1100
00:59:17.400 --> 00:59:20.000
that you went and bought lingerie, you went and did

1101
00:59:20.039 --> 00:59:24.320
these other things come on and she said, according to

1102
00:59:24.400 --> 00:59:27.199
what you read, she said sex came up at dinner

1103
00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:29.239
and that they were going to talk about it. So

1104
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:32.639
I'm not an attorney here, but I do think that

1105
00:59:32.679 --> 00:59:37.039
there is a mitigating factor insofar as he was being

1106
00:59:37.159 --> 00:59:40.719
led to believe that this payment was being affront for

1107
00:59:40.800 --> 00:59:43.920
what would come to be. So if she knew sex

1108
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.559
was being discussed at dinner, why did you continue to

1109
00:59:46.559 --> 00:59:48.719
play along, take all of his money, go back to

1110
00:59:48.760 --> 00:59:51.199
the house, and then call people to come get you.

1111
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:54.159
It does feel like you were scammed out of your

1112
00:59:54.159 --> 00:59:57.440
money now, sir, sir, sir, I'm sure there is an

1113
00:59:57.440 --> 01:00:00.320
old lady in your retirement community who is a freak

1114
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:02.239
and she would do these things for free. So you

1115
01:00:02.360 --> 01:00:04.440
just need to stay in your age group. Maybe it'll

1116
01:00:04.440 --> 01:00:07.079
get easier. But you did dead wrong. You shouldn't have

1117
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:08.320
done that. And the poor guy who got the gun

1118
01:00:08.320 --> 01:00:10.400
pulled on him glad you made it out of that.

1119
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:13.119
But I do I do have to say here that

1120
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.119
this does I do feel like he got played. I'm

1121
01:00:15.159 --> 01:00:16.400
just gonna tell you, I feel like he got played.

1122
01:00:16.400 --> 01:00:18.760
Well, there's no doubt about it. He totally got played.

1123
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:20.199
But you can't react that way.

1124
01:00:20.239 --> 01:00:23.480
No, Fortunately, you need to say, you know, maybe this

1125
01:00:23.559 --> 01:00:26.239
is my wake up call that I don't need to

1126
01:00:26.280 --> 01:00:30.320
be on tender looking for sugar baby, right right? I mean,

1127
01:00:30.639 --> 01:00:32.280
I mean that shit can happen.

1128
01:00:32.360 --> 01:00:36.280
What is your favorite candy, Jim reesis do you know,

1129
01:00:36.280 --> 01:00:37.159
minus sugar Baby.

1130
01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:42.199
Oh it is interesting. So just those are good too.

1131
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:43.840
They're really good, but they get stuck in my teeth.

1132
01:00:45.920 --> 01:00:48.880
All right. I hate this guy's name, I hate talking

1133
01:00:48.920 --> 01:00:52.320
about him, I hate even giving him any any light whatsoever.

1134
01:00:52.360 --> 01:00:55.920
But I'm about to talk about Brian Coburger. On July

1135
01:00:56.000 --> 01:00:58.880
twenty third of twenty five, a judge sentenced Brian Coberger

1136
01:00:58.960 --> 01:01:01.880
to four lifetimes in rism without the possibility of parole.

1137
01:01:02.079 --> 01:01:03.960
And I think we're all pretty familiar with his four

1138
01:01:04.079 --> 01:01:08.679
victims that were slaying. It's going to be Xana Kernodle, Kayleegansolvus,

1139
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:12.760
and Ethan Chapin, as well as Madison Mogan Well. Just

1140
01:01:12.840 --> 01:01:16.039
over a year later, on July twenty seventh of twenty six,

1141
01:01:16.400 --> 01:01:20.000
Coburger requested a withdrawal of that guilty plea in a

1142
01:01:20.039 --> 01:01:23.480
petition for what's called post conviction relief, which was filed

1143
01:01:23.480 --> 01:01:27.639
in Idaho's Fourth Judicial District Court. Now. Coburger writes in

1144
01:01:27.639 --> 01:01:30.960
an affidavit attached to his petition that his council failed

1145
01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:34.679
to inform him of exculpatory discovery that was turned over

1146
01:01:34.719 --> 01:01:38.800
by prosecutors during plea discussions, and suggests that this evidence

1147
01:01:38.800 --> 01:01:41.519
would have changed his decision to enter a guilty plea

1148
01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:45.079
to the murders, and this is a quote, namely, clumps

1149
01:01:45.079 --> 01:01:48.440
of hair found in Ethan's hands, Coburger writes in the filing.

1150
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:51.840
So on January twenty seventh of twenty three, the Trace

1151
01:01:51.880 --> 01:01:55.440
Evidence Unit at the FBI finalized a report detailing the

1152
01:01:55.480 --> 01:01:58.639
results of laboratory testing that had been done on evidence

1153
01:01:58.679 --> 01:02:01.760
found at the crime scene. That report revealed that debris

1154
01:02:01.760 --> 01:02:05.199
had been found in both the right hand and of

1155
01:02:05.320 --> 01:02:09.119
Ethan and the left hand of Xana, whose bodies were

1156
01:02:09.119 --> 01:02:12.039
discovered just a few feet apart from one another. The

1157
01:02:12.079 --> 01:02:16.159
debris was examined for hare's microscopically consistent with hares in

1158
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:19.320
the head hair sample from Coburger, but none were found,

1159
01:02:19.400 --> 01:02:22.280
according to the report, which was included in a filing

1160
01:02:22.320 --> 01:02:25.400
made by his attorney, An Taylor on June the sixth

1161
01:02:25.400 --> 01:02:29.039
of twenty five. This is approximately one month before Coburger

1162
01:02:29.079 --> 01:02:32.440
agreed to the deal with prosecutors. The debris in Ethan's

1163
01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:35.559
hand is not described as clumps of hair in any

1164
01:02:35.639 --> 01:02:39.199
court filing or police record, but rather in retired FBI

1165
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:44.039
agent Chris Whitcomb's book about the murder's broken plea. So

1166
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:48.280
Coburger's petition and accompanying affidavit echo many of the questions

1167
01:02:48.280 --> 01:02:50.920
posed by Whitcomb in his book, which was released in

1168
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:53.800
May and seeks to understand the reason for the unexplained

1169
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.400
plea made in the case. In press appearances and interviews

1170
01:02:57.440 --> 01:03:00.480
following the book's release, Whitcomb claimed that the clumps of

1171
01:03:00.519 --> 01:03:04.000
hair in Ethan's hand had not been tested to his knowledge,

1172
01:03:04.079 --> 01:03:06.679
and in Coberger's affidavit, he writes that there was a

1173
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:10.400
failure of further inquiry into that evidence. According to a

1174
01:03:10.480 --> 01:03:14.159
court document unsealed earlier this year, the DNA expert hired

1175
01:03:14.159 --> 01:03:17.079
by Coburger's defense team had in fact tested the hair

1176
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:21.000
in Ethan's hand. That expert Ruth Ballard examined one hair

1177
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:25.440
from the right hand and found it to be morphologically

1178
01:03:25.480 --> 01:03:30.360
consistent with decedent Chapin's own reference hair. It's unclear if

1179
01:03:30.400 --> 01:03:33.800
Coburger knew of Ballard's findings prior to the filing of

1180
01:03:33.840 --> 01:03:36.320
his petition, or if he plans to claim that there

1181
01:03:36.360 --> 01:03:39.760
is some unexamined clump of hair that the FBI or

1182
01:03:39.840 --> 01:03:43.239
DNA experts had not tested. So, if I'm understanding that correctly.

1183
01:03:43.480 --> 01:03:46.679
He found his own hair in his own hand. Is

1184
01:03:46.719 --> 01:03:49.559
what their own defense expert said. Isn't that how you

1185
01:03:49.639 --> 01:03:52.719
understand that to be sound? Yeah? So this is not

1186
01:03:52.880 --> 01:03:54.920
Coburger's only grievance, which I don't find that to be

1187
01:03:54.960 --> 01:03:56.639
a grievance. I mean, of course, your own hair if

1188
01:03:56.639 --> 01:03:59.400
you're fighting in you know you would I would expect

1189
01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:01.920
your hair to be in your own hand if you

1190
01:04:01.920 --> 01:04:05.039
were fighting for your life. Anyway, it's not Coburger's only grievance.

1191
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.119
As he makes additional arguments in the petition for a trial,

1192
01:04:08.440 --> 01:04:11.559
Coburger claims that he had ineffective assistance of counsel and

1193
01:04:11.559 --> 01:04:14.480
that his guilty plea was not entered knowingly or voluntarily

1194
01:04:14.559 --> 01:04:18.239
because it was induced by unkept promises and because of

1195
01:04:18.320 --> 01:04:21.880
threats asserted by his legal counsel. Even though you stand

1196
01:04:21.960 --> 01:04:23.679
up in court before the judge and they ask you,

1197
01:04:23.760 --> 01:04:26.719
have you been promised or threatened? Blah blah blah anyway,

1198
01:04:26.920 --> 01:04:29.480
all right. Those arguments about Taylor may be hard to

1199
01:04:29.519 --> 01:04:33.519
prove because she is only one of the few carefully

1200
01:04:33.599 --> 01:04:37.079
vetted and accomplished litigators in Idaho approved to represent defendants

1201
01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:40.639
and death penalty cases, which Coburger's was before he entered

1202
01:04:40.679 --> 01:04:43.840
his plea. To avoid the outcome, the former criminology student

1203
01:04:43.840 --> 01:04:47.039
He's thirty one, also had assigned and written factual basis

1204
01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:51.079
document which stated he was willing to hereby admit responsibility

1205
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:53.400
for the deaths of his four victims, who are all

1206
01:04:53.400 --> 01:04:56.920
brutally stabbed to death. On November the thirteenth of twenty two,

1207
01:04:57.719 --> 01:05:01.000
Coburger fully further admitted that the killing and murder of

1208
01:05:01.039 --> 01:05:06.079
his victims was wilful, unlawful, deliberate, with premeditation, and with

1209
01:05:06.199 --> 01:05:10.880
malice afterthought in the factual basis document. He again admitted

1210
01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:12.679
to the crime on the day of his sentencing last

1211
01:05:12.760 --> 01:05:15.760
year and was asked, are you pleading guilty because you

1212
01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:19.360
are guilty? This is according to Judge Stephen Hippler, and

1213
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:22.360
the answer he gave was, quote unquote yes.

1214
01:05:22.880 --> 01:05:29.159
I mean, this is a prime example of the justice

1215
01:05:29.199 --> 01:05:36.480
system just going awry. This God did it. Everybody knows

1216
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:39.639
he did it. And of course, you know, hey, I

1217
01:05:39.679 --> 01:05:43.239
don't fault him for grasping at Charles whatever. I get that,

1218
01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:46.239
but dude, you freaking did it. You said it in court.

1219
01:05:46.719 --> 01:05:50.199
This is why appeals drive me nuts. There are some

1220
01:05:51.199 --> 01:05:54.719
very limited circumstances where appeals are in order.

1221
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.159
This is not one of those circumstances.

1222
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.280
This guy right here, Well, what's happening here is that

1223
01:06:00.599 --> 01:06:04.079
he loved the attention he got, He loved being all

1224
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:07.599
over the news, he loved taking the responsibility for these murders.

1225
01:06:07.639 --> 01:06:10.280
And now that his happy ass is in prison and

1226
01:06:10.679 --> 01:06:14.000
he's having to deal with the consequences of everything, now

1227
01:06:14.000 --> 01:06:18.000
he's unhappy. So he's filing forms that you know, all

1228
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:20.000
inmates are going to want that post conviction relief. But

1229
01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:23.679
what bothers me about it? To your point, I agree,

1230
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:26.280
But what bothers me about it is that this is

1231
01:06:26.360 --> 01:06:29.039
the prime example of why our justice system and our

1232
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:32.599
courts are backed up, why it takes forever for things

1233
01:06:32.639 --> 01:06:34.960
to take place, because we have numb nuts like him

1234
01:06:35.239 --> 01:06:38.760
who are wasting time. Yeah, you know, and if he

1235
01:06:38.840 --> 01:06:40.960
is also, if he's indigent, and if he's found to

1236
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:44.760
not have funds, the taxpayers are the ones funding this

1237
01:06:44.840 --> 01:06:47.880
pony show, right, and it's going to result in nothing,

1238
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:51.760
that's right. Enjoy your consequences, sir, You did.

1239
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:53.440
It all right.

1240
01:06:53.519 --> 01:06:57.360
Well, let's let's go to Chicago, all right, Illinois, And

1241
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.840
I'm gonna tell you about a pretty crazy scheme that

1242
01:07:00.920 --> 01:07:03.400
this guy actually got away with for a while. He's

1243
01:07:03.400 --> 01:07:07.920
a Chicago YouTuber and he built an online following showcasing

1244
01:07:08.079 --> 01:07:11.880
high end cologne and perfume collections. And he has now

1245
01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:16.880
been charged after authorities allege he ran a sophisticated return

1246
01:07:17.119 --> 01:07:21.320
fraud scheme involving modeling clay and used bottles. So his

1247
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.280
name is Philip Carter. He's thirty. He faces three felony

1248
01:07:25.360 --> 01:07:29.360
counts of mail fraud and three misdemeanor counts of theft

1249
01:07:29.480 --> 01:07:33.440
by deception. Cook County authorities say he ordered thousands of

1250
01:07:33.480 --> 01:07:37.360
dollars worth of luxury fragrances online, so I want you

1251
01:07:37.360 --> 01:07:40.920
to keep that mind. So then he removes the original bottles,

1252
01:07:41.320 --> 01:07:46.719
he replaces them with modeling clay or used bottles. He

1253
01:07:46.880 --> 01:07:51.480
carefully reseals the packaging so it appears unopened, and then

1254
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:55.800
he returns the package for a full refund. The investigation,

1255
01:07:56.320 --> 01:08:01.559
dubbed Operation O de Fraud by the Cook County Sheriff's

1256
01:08:01.559 --> 01:08:07.280
Office Organized Retail Crime Unit, begins in March after Nordstrom

1257
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:12.360
reported suspicious returns. The retailer will receive boxes. The boxes

1258
01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:16.439
look sealed, but when they unsealed, them modeling clay was.

1259
01:08:16.399 --> 01:08:18.640
Inside, Like, wouldn't just common sense tell you to go

1260
01:08:18.680 --> 01:08:21.159
buy an off brand perfume from Walmart put that liquid

1261
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:23.960
in it? You would think, like, you know what I'm saying.

1262
01:08:24.399 --> 01:08:26.279
Well, he pulled it off. For quite a while.

1263
01:08:26.680 --> 01:08:32.119
Investigators will review financial records, internet at Internet activities, shipping data,

1264
01:08:32.159 --> 01:08:36.319
and other evidence. And on July twenty second, twenty twenty six,

1265
01:08:36.680 --> 01:08:39.159
they get a search warrant for his apartment and get this,

1266
01:08:39.680 --> 01:08:43.840
they recover seven hundred and fourteen fragrance bottles with an

1267
01:08:44.039 --> 01:08:48.079
estimated value of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars, along

1268
01:08:48.119 --> 01:08:52.359
with resealed boxes ready for shipment. Package is already filled

1269
01:08:52.359 --> 01:08:56.560
with modeling clay, additional modeling clay, a heat gun, glue,

1270
01:08:56.800 --> 01:08:57.840
and other materials, So we.

1271
01:08:57.920 --> 01:08:58.760
Got all the evidence.

1272
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:04.159
Shall also operated a YouTube channel dedicated to Fragrances where

1273
01:09:04.199 --> 01:09:07.920
he would display these collections, and he built quite the

1274
01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:11.840
following doing that, and authority say his scheme allowed Carter

1275
01:09:12.000 --> 01:09:16.680
to keep genuine fragrances while receiving refunds for the packages

1276
01:09:16.880 --> 01:09:19.800
he returned filled with freaking clay.

1277
01:09:20.039 --> 01:09:22.119
So look, he got away with it for a while.

1278
01:09:22.159 --> 01:09:26.000
Fun fact here, I actually collect miniature vintage perfume bottles.

1279
01:09:26.039 --> 01:09:27.119
I like them. I don't care if they have the

1280
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:29.399
fragrance in them or not. It's about the bottles. But

1281
01:09:30.119 --> 01:09:32.039
I was on my what Not app I do love

1282
01:09:32.079 --> 01:09:35.000
me some whatnot and there were people that were selling,

1283
01:09:35.159 --> 01:09:37.800
you know, on their channel, They're selling these high and perfumes.

1284
01:09:37.840 --> 01:09:40.159
I don't understand. How will you buy a perfume you

1285
01:09:40.199 --> 01:09:44.119
haven't smelled before. I don't understand how you do that, because, like,

1286
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.239
I'm very sensitive to smells.

1287
01:09:46.239 --> 01:09:50.119
Are you a lot of people?

1288
01:09:49.319 --> 01:09:50.840
Am I weird?

1289
01:09:51.119 --> 01:09:53.439
Got to the stone. I do not buy perfume.

1290
01:09:53.760 --> 01:09:55.079
I'm very you can.

1291
01:09:54.960 --> 01:09:56.560
Go and they got testers.

1292
01:09:56.119 --> 01:09:59.079
Man, no, but he's but if he's but if you're buying.

1293
01:09:58.800 --> 01:10:03.159
Them the online, know what Kelly like? If you wear Drakar,

1294
01:10:03.840 --> 01:10:06.159
you know what you smells like. Oh?

1295
01:10:06.279 --> 01:10:08.600
I thought people were just buying new perfumes like to

1296
01:10:08.640 --> 01:10:10.199
try popular.

1297
01:10:10.479 --> 01:10:12.680
These are like obsession and stuff, So.

1298
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:14.880
They're getting a deal by buying I got it.

1299
01:10:14.920 --> 01:10:17.680
Okay, Okay, it's just selling colone.

1300
01:10:17.520 --> 01:10:20.000
Okay, I got it. I don't know. I just always

1301
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:21.880
thought it was weird that people would make that much

1302
01:10:21.920 --> 01:10:24.199
money selling cologne on these channel if they haven't smelled

1303
01:10:24.239 --> 01:10:25.760
it before. Because people what does it smell like? And

1304
01:10:25.760 --> 01:10:28.199
he's like, oh, flowery, And I'm like, that's that that

1305
01:10:28.279 --> 01:10:30.800
gets you to buy a hundred dollars bottle of perfume

1306
01:10:30.840 --> 01:10:31.680
without Yeah?

1307
01:10:31.800 --> 01:10:33.439
No, I mean people do their research.

1308
01:10:33.760 --> 01:10:36.520
Yeah. Well either way, Hey, you had a good scam,

1309
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:37.680
but your perfume?

1310
01:10:37.720 --> 01:10:38.479
Do you wear.

1311
01:10:41.920 --> 01:10:42.760
My natural mood?

1312
01:10:43.920 --> 01:10:44.039
No?

1313
01:10:44.079 --> 01:10:46.560
I do, actually, but I'm very sensitive to smell. So

1314
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:48.960
you know, the what's the stuff that every girl was

1315
01:10:48.960 --> 01:10:53.600
wearing from Alta? The number like number sixty seven or whatever.

1316
01:10:54.239 --> 01:10:57.159
It's the one that every girl became big. I wear

1317
01:10:57.199 --> 01:10:59.640
that because it smells nice. But that doesn't help much,

1318
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:02.119
does it. No girls will know what I'm talking about,

1319
01:11:02.119 --> 01:11:04.279
like their numbered and it's orange and it was like

1320
01:11:04.319 --> 01:11:07.560
a big scent, like everybody was going crazy over it

1321
01:11:07.560 --> 01:11:10.880
smells good. That's what I wear. Jim Now, jim Ware

1322
01:11:10.960 --> 01:11:12.880
is a cologne. Can we talk about your colone?

1323
01:11:12.920 --> 01:11:13.079
Sure?

1324
01:11:13.520 --> 01:11:15.760
Jim Were is a cologne that smells really, really good.

1325
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.039
And I have a name for it. That's not its

1326
01:11:19.119 --> 01:11:21.880
real name, but it was dubbed by a lady at

1327
01:11:21.880 --> 01:11:25.840
the grocery store and he came talking to me one day.

1328
01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:27.439
He's like, Kelly, I wore my cologne. I sprayed it

1329
01:11:27.439 --> 01:11:29.359
before I went into the store. Do you remember this,

1330
01:11:29.560 --> 01:11:32.159
oh woman that was checking him out?

1331
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:33.199
He asked me what the name of it?

1332
01:11:33.319 --> 01:11:34.840
She said, what's the name of that cologne?

1333
01:11:34.920 --> 01:11:35.279
What is it?

1334
01:11:35.279 --> 01:11:35.920
What are you actually?

1335
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:39.840
Well, the name of it is Savage, but it's by

1336
01:11:39.920 --> 01:11:42.720
deal War Okay, But at the time, I couldn't. I

1337
01:11:42.760 --> 01:11:44.840
never can remember. A lot of people asked me what

1338
01:11:45.560 --> 01:11:48.760
sin is that? Yeah, I'm on the spot, so I'm like,

1339
01:11:48.960 --> 01:11:52.680
I can't remember. And she said, she told.

1340
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:54.399
Him, well, it should be named panty.

1341
01:11:54.199 --> 01:11:58.359
Draper liquid, paint liquid. Can y'all let me tell you.

1342
01:11:58.399 --> 01:12:02.800
I'm never at a law for words ever, And she

1343
01:12:02.960 --> 01:12:05.520
got me. I couldn't even I even have. I just

1344
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:06.760
looked at her and I'm.

1345
01:12:06.520 --> 01:12:09.840
Like, Coy's phrase it. Now, I'll go parad.

1346
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.920
They should call that Linke wood Pain. Looked me right

1347
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:16.600
in the face when she said it, and I'm like.

1348
01:12:16.640 --> 01:12:18.800
Dang, he liked she liked her some Jimathy.

1349
01:12:18.960 --> 01:12:21.520
I didn't say nothing. I just I just looked at

1350
01:12:21.520 --> 01:12:24.840
her like I've never been told that. Damn all.

1351
01:12:24.960 --> 01:12:27.560
Right, check it out, check it out. It's good stuff.

1352
01:12:27.640 --> 01:12:30.359
Yeah, I'll sell it to you online. Just and it

1353
01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:33.800
feels like modeling clay. Yeah, all right, uh, let's do

1354
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:37.079
some foolish felons because this one is going to take

1355
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:40.079
us to Jones County jail. Uh and this is going

1356
01:12:40.119 --> 01:12:43.239
to be in Mississippi. So a job interview for a

1357
01:12:43.279 --> 01:12:47.039
corrections officer position at the Jones County Adult Detention Facility

1358
01:12:47.079 --> 01:12:50.640
took an unexpected turn earlier this month when the applicant

1359
01:12:50.680 --> 01:12:54.960
was arrested for an outstanding felon. He warn't Keishawn Moore, thirty,

1360
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.279
had applied for a corrections officer job with the Jones

1361
01:12:57.279 --> 01:13:00.520
County Sheriff's Department and reported to the jail for an interview.

1362
01:13:00.800 --> 01:13:05.520
During that process, Captain Cynthia Terrell or Terrell conducted a

1363
01:13:05.560 --> 01:13:08.439
standard background check. That check revealed that Moore was wanted

1364
01:13:08.439 --> 01:13:12.279
in neighboring Lamar County on a felony credit card fraud warrant.

1365
01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:15.239
So I guess you know you gotta just do what

1366
01:13:15.279 --> 01:13:20.319
you gotta do, but wow, take yourself right onto the jails.

1367
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:22.079
Sorry, all right.

1368
01:13:22.159 --> 01:13:25.319
Jones County Deputy Davy Keith was called to the detention

1369
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:28.319
facility and placed more under arrest on the spot. Moore

1370
01:13:28.399 --> 01:13:30.640
was taken into the custody of the Jones County Sheriff's

1371
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.439
Department and later transferred to the Lamar County Sheriff's Department

1372
01:13:33.560 --> 01:13:36.720
to face the outstanding charge. Officials with the Jones County

1373
01:13:36.760 --> 01:13:40.039
Sheriff's Department confirmed the sequence of events, but have not

1374
01:13:40.079 --> 01:13:43.960
released additional information about the underlying Lamar County warrant, any

1375
01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:46.159
statements more may have made during the interview, or whether

1376
01:13:46.199 --> 01:13:49.640
he had prior contact with either agency. No bond or

1377
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:51.960
court appearance details have been made public at this time,

1378
01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:54.680
but this case serves as a stark reminder that applicants

1379
01:13:54.720 --> 01:13:57.600
for positions of public trust in law enforcement and then

1380
01:13:57.600 --> 01:14:02.640
corrections are subject to rigorous vetting, sometimes with immediate and

1381
01:14:02.760 --> 01:14:05.520
unexpected consequences. And we want to give our shout out

1382
01:14:05.520 --> 01:14:08.720
to listener Jessica Hartwell for sending us that story. And

1383
01:14:08.760 --> 01:14:10.800
that is your foolish felon of the day.

1384
01:14:11.039 --> 01:14:13.479
You can't beat that. Definitely a foolish felon.

1385
01:14:13.800 --> 01:14:16.119
Probably not a good idea to go apply for a

1386
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:18.520
prison job when you have warrants.

1387
01:14:18.640 --> 01:14:19.960
And look, he's dressed nice.

1388
01:14:20.000 --> 01:14:22.279
I like his shoes, nice, looks like he was ready

1389
01:14:22.279 --> 01:14:26.520
to get the job right. Unfortunately they ran his name.

1390
01:14:27.039 --> 01:14:29.319
I mean, come on, man, what are you thinking? You

1391
01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:32.119
know you got warrants. There's nobody in the world that

1392
01:14:32.199 --> 01:14:35.039
has warrants at nothing. I love when I watch these

1393
01:14:35.680 --> 01:14:39.640
clips from BODYCM footage and the people walk up to

1394
01:14:39.680 --> 01:14:41.279
the car and they say, well, you know you got three?

1395
01:14:41.920 --> 01:14:42.399
What?

1396
01:14:42.399 --> 01:14:43.000
What did I do?

1397
01:14:43.239 --> 01:14:44.239
What did I beat my wife?

1398
01:14:44.279 --> 01:14:44.359
You?

1399
01:14:44.680 --> 01:14:47.359
What you did? He met? What you got Warrens for?

1400
01:14:47.680 --> 01:14:50.399
I was watching a TikTok one time. It was so funny.

1401
01:14:50.399 --> 01:14:52.319
But you know, cops know their areas, right, and so

1402
01:14:52.439 --> 01:14:54.399
they know their criminals, they know their people that are

1403
01:14:54.399 --> 01:14:56.960
frequent flyers in jail. And this cop goes and he

1404
01:14:57.000 --> 01:15:00.079
pulls this car over and the guy jumps out and

1405
01:15:00.119 --> 01:15:02.800
when he sees the cop, he takes off running and

1406
01:15:02.840 --> 01:15:04.479
the cop doesn't chase him, and you're like, what the hell?

1407
01:15:04.479 --> 01:15:06.479
And he's like, Eddie or another guy's name, Eddie. You

1408
01:15:07.039 --> 01:15:10.119
don't have Warrens, bro, you don't have any And he stops.

1409
01:15:10.119 --> 01:15:12.439
He turns on. He's like what I don't He's like, no, bro,

1410
01:15:12.720 --> 01:15:15.159
you don't have Warrens. He's like okay, he comes walking

1411
01:15:15.199 --> 01:15:17.680
back to the cop. That's good stuff.

1412
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:21.279
All right, Well, uh, let's go into overtime.

1413
01:15:21.319 --> 01:15:22.560
I'm ready, let's do it.

1414
01:15:59.600 --> 01:16:00.000
All right.

1415
01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:03.880
We're going to start off in Ashburn, Virginia, and look,

1416
01:16:03.920 --> 01:16:08.199
if you're a Kansas City Chiefs fan, the offensive coordinator,

1417
01:16:08.439 --> 01:16:11.680
Eric Banemy, say a prayer for him. The fifty seven

1418
01:16:11.720 --> 01:16:15.960
year old wife of the offensive coordinator, was shot multiple

1419
01:16:16.000 --> 01:16:19.800
times this past Sunday night at the family's home in

1420
01:16:19.920 --> 01:16:23.760
Louden County, Virginia. Their twenty seven year old son has

1421
01:16:23.800 --> 01:16:27.720
been arrested and charged in connection with that shooting. Now

1422
01:16:27.800 --> 01:16:30.720
Deputies from Lyden County Sheriff's Office were reported to a

1423
01:16:30.800 --> 01:16:35.199
report of that shooting around seven thirty pm this past Sunday.

1424
01:16:35.640 --> 01:16:39.199
Upon arrival, they found me of the enemy suffering from

1425
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:43.399
multiple gunshot wounds, including injuries to the chest and arm.

1426
01:16:43.760 --> 01:16:47.000
She was transported to the hospital with serious injuries and

1427
01:16:47.159 --> 01:16:52.159
was listed in stable condition as of Monday. Elijah Banimy,

1428
01:16:52.199 --> 01:16:55.079
who is twenty seven, was arrested at the scene. He

1429
01:16:55.159 --> 01:16:58.920
has been charged with malicious wounding, use of a firearm,

1430
01:16:58.960 --> 01:17:02.159
and the commission of a in discharge of a firearm

1431
01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:05.399
inside a dwelling. He is being held without bond at

1432
01:17:05.399 --> 01:17:09.399
the Louden County Adult Detention Center, and Sheriff Mike Chapman

1433
01:17:09.560 --> 01:17:12.800
said me at the Enemy, who was the one to

1434
01:17:12.840 --> 01:17:16.159
call nine one one following the shooting. So imagine having

1435
01:17:16.159 --> 01:17:17.920
to call nine one one and say, my son just

1436
01:17:18.000 --> 01:17:21.199
shot me. Eric Banemy, who has been with the Chiefs

1437
01:17:21.359 --> 01:17:25.520
training at training camp in Saint Joseph, Missouri, left camp

1438
01:17:25.600 --> 01:17:27.319
to be with his wife.

1439
01:17:27.000 --> 01:17:29.359
The team issued his statement.

1440
01:17:29.039 --> 01:17:32.319
Monday saying it was aware of the incident involving his

1441
01:17:32.439 --> 01:17:35.439
family and would not comment further out of respect for

1442
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:39.439
their privacy, adding their thoughts and prayers with them. Chiefs

1443
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:43.359
coach Andy Reid addressed the situation after practice on Monday,

1444
01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:46.880
saying his heart goes out to Eric B. Enemy and

1445
01:17:46.920 --> 01:17:49.880
the mea is stable, which is a plus. We all

1446
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:52.760
love Eric and we hate seeing these things happen.

1447
01:17:53.800 --> 01:17:54.039
Eric B.

1448
01:17:54.199 --> 01:17:58.079
Enemy returned to the Chiefs this year's offensive coordinator, while

1449
01:17:58.119 --> 01:18:02.079
previously serving as the teams offensive coordinator from twenty eighteen

1450
01:18:02.119 --> 01:18:06.239
to twenty twenty two after spending time with the Washington Commanders,

1451
01:18:06.600 --> 01:18:10.319
and the family does maintain a home in Northern Virginia.

1452
01:18:12.199 --> 01:18:15.479
Horrific situation. I remember him Eric the Enemy when he

1453
01:18:15.520 --> 01:18:16.560
played college football.

1454
01:18:16.640 --> 01:18:18.159
Yeah, great, we do. He played for it, you know.

1455
01:18:18.720 --> 01:18:21.039
I want to say it was Notre Dame or Michigan.

1456
01:18:21.239 --> 01:18:23.680
I can't remember exactly which team it was, but I

1457
01:18:23.720 --> 01:18:24.960
remember he was very good.

1458
01:18:25.119 --> 01:18:31.119
You know, domestic violent situations are always horrible, and it's

1459
01:18:31.119 --> 01:18:34.359
in cases like this though, where you know it's your

1460
01:18:34.399 --> 01:18:36.399
own child that has done this to you. And I

1461
01:18:36.399 --> 01:18:39.640
don't care that he's an adult. That mama, you can't

1462
01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:42.840
tell me, wasn't heartbroken. You know that her own child

1463
01:18:42.880 --> 01:18:44.760
would do this to her. And I'm so thankful that

1464
01:18:45.159 --> 01:18:47.399
she is alive and that she is doing well, and

1465
01:18:47.479 --> 01:18:49.680
again our hearts and thoughts and prayers, and I hope

1466
01:18:49.720 --> 01:18:54.119
that she does recover and well from this. I bet

1467
01:18:54.159 --> 01:18:56.239
you it's going to come out sooner or later that

1468
01:18:56.239 --> 01:19:00.880
there's been some mental health struggles with the song. I

1469
01:19:00.880 --> 01:19:03.520
would think, yeah, but it made me think about we

1470
01:19:03.640 --> 01:19:05.600
used to have a neighbor a long time ago and

1471
01:19:05.640 --> 01:19:07.439
everything turned out to be okay. So I just want

1472
01:19:07.479 --> 01:19:09.720
to preface with that. But the police had ended up

1473
01:19:09.760 --> 01:19:13.800
coming and surrounding the home, and the sun was acting up,

1474
01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:16.079
and something just stuck with me because they were calling

1475
01:19:16.119 --> 01:19:17.760
the sun to come out of the house. Obviously, all

1476
01:19:17.800 --> 01:19:21.640
the neighbors are looking and I will never forget the adult,

1477
01:19:21.800 --> 01:19:24.760
the dad of the neighbor when they were bringing him

1478
01:19:24.760 --> 01:19:27.560
out to the police, you know, walk walked to us,

1479
01:19:27.600 --> 01:19:29.399
walked us, hands up, hands up. He just the dad

1480
01:19:29.479 --> 01:19:31.960
was yelling, oh, please don't hurt him, Please don't hurt him.

1481
01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:33.600
But the dad was the one that had had to

1482
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:37.399
call nine one one because of some mental health issues.

1483
01:19:37.920 --> 01:19:40.079
But hearing that dad yell please don't hurt him, Oh

1484
01:19:40.079 --> 01:19:43.520
please don't hurt him, the struggle there isn't lost on

1485
01:19:43.560 --> 01:19:45.720
me that you know. This has gotta be rough for

1486
01:19:45.760 --> 01:19:49.760
that family. Yeah, all right, let's go to New Jersey

1487
01:19:50.319 --> 01:19:53.479
and a New Jersey man is facing multiple charges after

1488
01:19:53.520 --> 01:19:56.399
a two year old boy in his care allegedly overdosed

1489
01:19:56.439 --> 01:19:59.920
on cocaine while the family vacationed at the Jersey sh

1490
01:20:00.800 --> 01:20:04.000
I know two years old man, come on. Alexander Moles,

1491
01:20:04.079 --> 01:20:06.600
thirty nine, was charged with endangering the welfare of a child,

1492
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:09.720
possession of cocaine, possession of drug paraphernalia, and possession of

1493
01:20:09.720 --> 01:20:13.119
prescription legend drugs. The incident occurred while Moles was staying

1494
01:20:13.159 --> 01:20:14.039
at Did you.

1495
01:20:14.000 --> 01:20:16.279
Say prescription legend drugs?

1496
01:20:16.520 --> 01:20:20.720
Yeah, the when you're looking at like the schedule, like

1497
01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.079
schedule one, Schedule two, Schedule three, it'll say prescription legend.

1498
01:20:25.079 --> 01:20:26.439
Huh at on the top.

1499
01:20:26.479 --> 01:20:29.680
Like legend, Like I don't understand.

1500
01:20:29.760 --> 01:20:31.600
I think it's almost like.

1501
01:20:30.800 --> 01:20:32.199
A legendary drug.

1502
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:34.319
No, I think it's more like Ledger, Like I can

1503
01:20:34.399 --> 01:20:37.399
kind of think of it that way, but I don't know.

1504
01:20:37.760 --> 01:20:39.279
I mean, I don't have the official on.

1505
01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:41.800
That, but that I just referred to as that. I'm sorry.

1506
01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:45.520
Yeah, so like it's it's officially something that is prescribed

1507
01:20:45.520 --> 01:20:47.920
and to be used in a specific way, and obviously

1508
01:20:47.960 --> 01:20:50.039
he's not using it that way. But anyway, The incident

1509
01:20:50.039 --> 01:20:52.560
occurred while Moles was staying at the airbnb with a

1510
01:20:52.560 --> 01:20:55.840
woman and several children. Court documents state that Moles was

1511
01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:59.159
responsible for watching the children while the woman took a

1512
01:20:59.159 --> 01:21:02.119
shower as the group prepared to check out around eleven am.

1513
01:21:02.199 --> 01:21:05.680
When the woman returned, she noticed the toddler appeared sleepy.

1514
01:21:05.960 --> 01:21:08.239
Moules later drove the child toward a hospital after the

1515
01:21:08.279 --> 01:21:12.079
boy experienced difficulty breathing. While en route, He called the

1516
01:21:12.079 --> 01:21:13.880
woman and asked if it was okay for the child

1517
01:21:13.880 --> 01:21:15.840
to fall asleep. She told him it was not. En

1518
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:19.520
dialed nine point one North Wallwood Fire Department responders located

1519
01:21:19.600 --> 01:21:23.720
moles vehicle stopped at an intersection EMS administered two doses

1520
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:26.880
of narcan. The child responded and was transported to Cooper

1521
01:21:26.960 --> 01:21:31.119
University Hospital Cape Regional for further treatment. Preliminary blood tests

1522
01:21:31.159 --> 01:21:34.199
confirmed the presence of cocaine in the boys' system. Moles

1523
01:21:34.239 --> 01:21:37.319
later told investigators he believed the child had taken painkillers.

1524
01:21:37.600 --> 01:21:40.079
At the hospital, he requested a lawyer after being read

1525
01:21:40.079 --> 01:21:43.399
as Miranda rights. A subsequent search of the Airbnb authorized

1526
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:46.119
by a judge, turned up a partial orange and white pill,

1527
01:21:46.560 --> 01:21:53.079
several tinfoil packets labeled a narcotic pain medication, a clear

1528
01:21:53.119 --> 01:21:56.119
plastic bag containing a white pottery substance, and several short

1529
01:21:56.159 --> 01:21:59.800
plastic straws. Moles was arrested and held at the County

1530
01:21:59.800 --> 01:22:03.119
Crewctional Facility. He was released with conditions following a detention

1531
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:07.159
hearing on July twenty fourth. He's represented by attorney John Zirich.

1532
01:22:07.399 --> 01:22:10.600
I believe you would say that is The investigation remains ongoing.

1533
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:13.960
Authorities have not publicly disclosed the exact relationship between Moles

1534
01:22:14.039 --> 01:22:17.880
and the women and the children. The toddler survived the incident.

1535
01:22:17.920 --> 01:22:19.880
But this one's weird. Why would the child be sleepy

1536
01:22:20.000 --> 01:22:21.520
after cocaine? I don't know.

1537
01:22:23.800 --> 01:22:27.399
Maybe when you overdose on it, it has an opposite effect.

1538
01:22:27.520 --> 01:22:29.960
I would imagine, I mean, two year old a miracle.

1539
01:22:30.560 --> 01:22:34.279
This kid survived this baby. Yeah, I'm two years old.

1540
01:22:34.399 --> 01:22:40.640
So man, just never seems to amaze me. People that

1541
01:22:40.680 --> 01:22:46.199
are around drugs like that, even drugs that aren't cocaine, right, Like,

1542
01:22:46.239 --> 01:22:49.560
if you take medicine for something, get.

1543
01:22:49.399 --> 01:22:51.079
It out of the reach of your kids.

1544
01:22:51.439 --> 01:22:53.640
Yeah, I don't think that they were worried about it.

1545
01:22:53.680 --> 01:22:56.319
But in this situation. Yeah, with cocaine, I mean that's

1546
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:59.399
an illegal drug. But even your ones that aren't, even

1547
01:22:59.600 --> 01:23:03.079
you're every day drugs, man, don't even leave tilin' all

1548
01:23:03.159 --> 01:23:06.319
where a kid can get to it, right. Tragic, crazy

1549
01:23:06.399 --> 01:23:07.840
that this this kid was.

1550
01:23:07.960 --> 01:23:11.479
So I was looking at this because I'm thinking about

1551
01:23:11.479 --> 01:23:13.600
someone that's high on cocaine, you know, and they're usually

1552
01:23:13.920 --> 01:23:15.840
it's an upper you know, they're usually rolling. But it

1553
01:23:15.920 --> 01:23:18.399
says that what happens when that heart rate skyrockets, the

1554
01:23:18.399 --> 01:23:22.800
blood pressure explodes, the brain becomes over you know, over stimulated,

1555
01:23:23.359 --> 01:23:27.760
and with the the body temperture can shoot up over

1556
01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:31.159
one hundred and four degrees or sweating, tremors, nause of, vomiting,

1557
01:23:31.279 --> 01:23:34.239
dilated pupils. You know all of that, so you know,

1558
01:23:34.640 --> 01:23:36.560
so when you ever day so on, it makes you yeah,

1559
01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:38.600
you go in respiratory distress is what's going to happen.

1560
01:23:38.600 --> 01:23:40.640
And so it's labored breathing and they're not getting enough oxygen.

1561
01:23:41.079 --> 01:23:42.319
That's the second time I've been right.

1562
01:23:42.520 --> 01:23:46.159
You've been so good twice today, guys, please put that

1563
01:23:46.239 --> 01:23:47.359
on the official.

1564
01:23:47.039 --> 01:23:48.960
Jimmy might be the only two times.

1565
01:23:49.239 --> 01:23:51.680
Jimmothy got it right. Oh, it looks like look at

1566
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:53.680
his picture with that fireman mustache.

1567
01:23:53.840 --> 01:23:56.520
They see it if they're watching on Patreon. All right,

1568
01:23:56.640 --> 01:24:01.319
let's go to uh courtroom chronic. We haven't done one

1569
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:02.239
of those in a while.

1570
01:24:02.600 --> 01:24:04.880
But I'm gonna tell you about a you know, this

1571
01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:06.960
is Keyboard Warriors gone wild.

1572
01:24:07.079 --> 01:24:07.560
Right here.

1573
01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:11.880
A married couple who ran an e commerce blog saw

1574
01:24:11.960 --> 01:24:15.760
a huge payout after they were cyber stalked and harassed

1575
01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:20.800
by former eBay employees. Ana and David Steiner received get

1576
01:24:20.840 --> 01:24:25.079
ready for this forty eight point seven million dollars in

1577
01:24:25.199 --> 01:24:31.159
compensation after settling a lawsuit filed against eBay. The Steiners

1578
01:24:31.439 --> 01:24:35.359
said the lawsuit comes after they filed this lawsuit in

1579
01:24:35.439 --> 01:24:40.439
response to the company's widely publicized twenty nineteen cyber stalking

1580
01:24:40.520 --> 01:24:44.600
campaign designed to stop their reporting. So this couple founded

1581
01:24:44.640 --> 01:24:47.680
a blog and it was called e Commerce Bytes, and

1582
01:24:47.720 --> 01:24:52.119
it published a newsletter that eBay employees will they considered

1583
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:54.840
it critical of the company. Well, you know what you

1584
01:24:54.880 --> 01:24:57.600
can do that you can be critical of eBay if

1585
01:24:57.600 --> 01:25:00.520
you want to. Well, the US Attorney's off for the

1586
01:25:00.560 --> 01:25:06.399
District of Massachusetts said that this basically created like a

1587
01:25:06.399 --> 01:25:10.319
shit storm in these people's life. The campaign including sending

1588
01:25:10.439 --> 01:25:14.920
anonymous and disturbing deliveries to the victim's home the people

1589
01:25:14.920 --> 01:25:18.439
who own this blog, including a book on surviving the

1590
01:25:18.520 --> 01:25:23.039
death of a spouse, a bloody pig mask, a fetal pig,

1591
01:25:23.600 --> 01:25:26.960
and a funeral leaf and a funeral wreath.

1592
01:25:27.479 --> 01:25:30.159
And they also sent them live insects. All this coming

1593
01:25:30.199 --> 01:25:31.640
to your house. Can you imagine.

1594
01:25:31.800 --> 01:25:35.039
The campaign then turned to online harassment when the Steiners

1595
01:25:35.119 --> 01:25:40.439
began receiving social media messages criticizing the newsletter's content and

1596
01:25:40.600 --> 01:25:44.560
threatening to visit the victims at home. The victims were

1597
01:25:44.560 --> 01:25:47.479
then surveilled at their home and in their community, but

1598
01:25:47.600 --> 01:25:52.640
recognized the surveillance and reported to police. Ultimately, seven employees

1599
01:25:52.680 --> 01:25:56.560
connected to EBA's security team were charged in connection with

1600
01:25:56.600 --> 01:26:00.680
the case, all who pleaded guilty to various charges. Five

1601
01:26:00.760 --> 01:26:04.920
of the defendants were given prison sentences. CNBC and CBS

1602
01:26:05.039 --> 01:26:10.960
reported that former eb EBA CEO Devin Wenig texted another

1603
01:26:11.079 --> 01:26:15.920
executive quote take her down, in an apparent reference to Aina.

1604
01:26:16.520 --> 01:26:19.159
We Nig was not charged with the crime, but eBay

1605
01:26:19.199 --> 01:26:22.159
as a company was and entered into what's done as

1606
01:26:22.199 --> 01:26:26.239
a deferred prosecution agreement, compelling it to pay a three

1607
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:29.119
million dollar penalty, and as part of the settlement with

1608
01:26:29.199 --> 01:26:33.159
the Steiners, eBay will pay the couple forty six point

1609
01:26:33.199 --> 01:26:36.880
one five million dollars from the company itself, while we

1610
01:26:37.039 --> 01:26:40.319
Nig will have to individually pay them two million dollars.

1611
01:26:40.560 --> 01:26:44.079
Two other former executives also owe them a total of

1612
01:26:44.159 --> 01:26:46.840
five hundred and fifty thousand dollars. And that's what you

1613
01:26:46.920 --> 01:26:49.399
call you messed with the bull and got the horns.

1614
01:26:49.600 --> 01:26:51.000
Yeah, look, I'm there.

1615
01:26:51.159 --> 01:26:53.720
That is life change of money right there.

1616
01:26:53.760 --> 01:26:56.640
So and now they're discagreeing buck more money to do

1617
01:26:56.720 --> 01:26:59.079
better and to do even more I mean online.

1618
01:26:59.159 --> 01:27:02.439
Yeah, good for them, Yeah, you know, good for them.

1619
01:27:02.720 --> 01:27:05.560
I am so unimpressed right now to find out that

1620
01:27:05.560 --> 01:27:09.439
that's eBay doing that. Like, you know, when a lion

1621
01:27:09.680 --> 01:27:12.800
shouldn't acknowledge when a dog barks. Okay, ebe is huge

1622
01:27:12.800 --> 01:27:14.479
and I'm not calling this couple of dogs by any

1623
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:17.640
chance of the you know, but obviously whatever they were

1624
01:27:17.720 --> 01:27:22.239
reporting on was striking a nerve which tells me people

1625
01:27:22.359 --> 01:27:25.159
only get mad about things that they feel that there

1626
01:27:25.199 --> 01:27:28.840
is some truth to That's a fact, right, even if

1627
01:27:28.880 --> 01:27:30.880
there's partial truth to it. I learned that, you know,

1628
01:27:30.960 --> 01:27:32.760
a long time ago, about myself, Like, why are you

1629
01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.079
getting mad about? It's because deep down there's a part

1630
01:27:35.079 --> 01:27:36.920
of you that feels like what they said may have

1631
01:27:37.000 --> 01:27:40.640
some legitimacy to it. And so you know, to send

1632
01:27:40.720 --> 01:27:45.399
things that are blanket or not blanket, covert statements that

1633
01:27:45.439 --> 01:27:49.039
you're gonna die. Give me a break, man, you're eBay,

1634
01:27:49.279 --> 01:27:50.239
you know your eBay?

1635
01:27:50.840 --> 01:27:54.199
I you ever the CEO of the company sending take

1636
01:27:54.359 --> 01:27:54.800
them down?

1637
01:27:55.079 --> 01:27:57.760
And what you think that you think that that a

1638
01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.359
pig of pig fetus is taking them down? What a

1639
01:28:00.399 --> 01:28:03.720
douche move? Yeah, So please, I guess he's not gonna

1640
01:28:03.720 --> 01:28:05.159
come after me and send me stuff. Send me a

1641
01:28:05.199 --> 01:28:07.520
live pig and I will love it and name it Rosa.

1642
01:28:07.720 --> 01:28:09.439
If I can get fifty million, you can send me

1643
01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:12.800
a lot big blood on it. Whatever you want. Hell, yeah,

1644
01:28:12.880 --> 01:28:14.880
you tell me you get Look, I'm gonna come after you.

1645
01:28:15.000 --> 01:28:15.960
I'm gonna knock on your door.

1646
01:28:16.000 --> 01:28:19.000
And they were probably writing things like eBay's fees are

1647
01:28:19.039 --> 01:28:21.800
too high, you know, some people call it sebay. Yeah.

1648
01:28:22.439 --> 01:28:24.199
Well, and I looked up while you were talking.

1649
01:28:24.079 --> 01:28:28.279
Of that nature and you're gonna try to scare people. Bruh, Yeah, eBay,

1650
01:28:28.359 --> 01:28:30.880
you're gonna try to scare people. Right, I'm mnst send

1651
01:28:30.960 --> 01:28:33.479
you a book of how to deal with the spouse's

1652
01:28:33.520 --> 01:28:35.680
death That ain't funny. Pissed me off.

1653
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:38.840
Yeah, And I looked up a couple of their articles

1654
01:28:38.880 --> 01:28:40.960
just now while you were you were doing the story,

1655
01:28:41.039 --> 01:28:42.960
and some of them are like, you know, people are

1656
01:28:42.960 --> 01:28:45.960
making real money selling on Facebook marketplace. It's a good

1657
01:28:46.000 --> 01:28:48.000
side hustle. Like, it's not like they're out being just

1658
01:28:48.079 --> 01:28:52.279
like a negative website. They were just talking about issues

1659
01:28:52.319 --> 01:28:55.640
that people are experiencing. So yeah, good for them, Yeah,

1660
01:28:55.720 --> 01:28:57.640
good for them. All right, we are going to go

1661
01:28:57.680 --> 01:29:00.960
to Cape Coral, Florida, and this is going to be

1662
01:29:01.640 --> 01:29:04.439
another story kind of like what we talked about identifying

1663
01:29:04.520 --> 01:29:08.359
human remains, but human remains that were discovered by kayakers

1664
01:29:08.399 --> 01:29:11.840
in Cape Coral, Florida, in a canal have been identified

1665
01:29:12.199 --> 01:29:14.600
as those of a young woman who vanished more than

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01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:18.119
four decades ago. The Cape Coral Police Department announced Friday,

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01:29:18.199 --> 01:29:22.319
July twenty fourth that the remains belonged to rose Marie Gayheart,

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01:29:22.359 --> 01:29:24.319
who was twenty three years old when she was reported

1669
01:29:24.399 --> 01:29:27.760
missing by her parents in nineteen eighty five. At the

1670
01:29:27.800 --> 01:29:30.399
time of her disappearance, Gayheart was living and working in

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01:29:30.439 --> 01:29:34.199
the Cape Coral and North Fort Myers area. Kayakers found

1672
01:29:34.199 --> 01:29:36.640
the remains in a canal in northeast Cape Coral in

1673
01:29:36.640 --> 01:29:39.039
May of twenty four, and in May of twenty six,

1674
01:29:39.119 --> 01:29:43.079
the department's Violent Crimes Unit received confirmation of the identification

1675
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:46.439
with the assistance of the Medical Examiner's office. For more

1676
01:29:46.439 --> 01:29:49.279
than forty years, rose Marie Gayheart's family has carried the

1677
01:29:49.279 --> 01:29:51.720
weight of not knowing what happened to her. Cape Coral

1678
01:29:51.760 --> 01:29:54.720
Police Chief Anthony Sizemore said in a statement, while this

1679
01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:58.880
identification brings long awaited answers, it also strengthens our resolve.

1680
01:29:59.079 --> 01:30:02.319
No matter how much time passes, even after four decades,

1681
01:30:02.560 --> 01:30:05.439
our investigations do not stop and our pursuit of justice

1682
01:30:05.560 --> 01:30:08.239
does not end. Authorities have reopened the case as an

1683
01:30:08.239 --> 01:30:11.520
active homicide investigation, and he said that we are committed

1684
01:30:11.520 --> 01:30:14.560
to following every lead. Gayheart was last seen working at

1685
01:30:14.560 --> 01:30:17.960
a Cape Coral restaurant then known as Big Howie's Hot Dogs,

1686
01:30:18.279 --> 01:30:20.199
and she was living in a trailer park in North

1687
01:30:20.239 --> 01:30:22.720
Fort Myers with her boyfriend and his mother at the

1688
01:30:22.720 --> 01:30:26.720
time that she disappeared. Her sister, identified in earlier interviews

1689
01:30:26.800 --> 01:30:30.479
as Travis, told the outlet in twenty seventeen that neighbors

1690
01:30:30.479 --> 01:30:33.079
reported frequent fighting at the trailer park and that she

1691
01:30:33.239 --> 01:30:36.760
believed her sister had been murdered. Travis also said her

1692
01:30:36.800 --> 01:30:40.840
sister's boyfriend's mother had written a letter to the family

1693
01:30:40.880 --> 01:30:44.079
claiming Gayheart was being sent back to New York by bus,

1694
01:30:44.439 --> 01:30:47.880
but Gayheart never arrived. The boyfriend's mother has since died,

1695
01:30:48.119 --> 01:30:50.439
and the investigation remains active.

1696
01:30:51.680 --> 01:30:53.960
You know, when you sit back and thank I, thank

1697
01:30:54.000 --> 01:30:55.119
you so thankful for that.

1698
01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:59.640
But when you set and you think about the biggest

1699
01:30:59.680 --> 01:31:03.800
sign tip discovery in the history of the world, probably

1700
01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:09.600
DNA is it? Honestly the things that have been able

1701
01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:13.920
to be accomplished in DNA are vast, but especially in

1702
01:31:14.439 --> 01:31:15.600
when it's crime related.

1703
01:31:15.960 --> 01:31:17.039
You know, back in the day.

1704
01:31:17.159 --> 01:31:21.079
They had to identify you from dental records if you

1705
01:31:21.159 --> 01:31:23.399
had them. That's the only way. That's the only way

1706
01:31:23.399 --> 01:31:27.439
they knew who this person was. Dental records once that body.

1707
01:31:27.119 --> 01:31:29.760
Had decomposed and it was nothing but bones.

1708
01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:33.840
Now, not only can you because even dental records weren't

1709
01:31:33.880 --> 01:31:37.720
a one hundred percent certainty. Now with the DNA, and

1710
01:31:38.199 --> 01:31:40.840
it's advanced to where there's touch DNA for me.

1711
01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:42.159
In DNA, I mean, at one.

1712
01:31:42.039 --> 01:31:44.800
Point you had to have the blood of the person

1713
01:31:45.319 --> 01:31:47.199
and compare it to the blood of the person.

1714
01:31:47.279 --> 01:31:50.159
That's the only way you could do it. Now you can.

1715
01:31:50.399 --> 01:31:53.520
You can go brothers, sisters, cousins and make a match

1716
01:31:53.640 --> 01:31:56.600
like this, miraculous gift to the world. Yep.

1717
01:31:56.640 --> 01:31:59.960
And I would have to agree that there's something stick

1718
01:32:00.159 --> 01:32:02.159
and here. Why would you write a letter saying you

1719
01:32:02.199 --> 01:32:03.560
sent her back to New York by bus and then

1720
01:32:03.600 --> 01:32:05.399
she ends up in a canal not far from where

1721
01:32:05.439 --> 01:32:05.760
you live?

1722
01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:08.640
No, yeah, oh yeah, something fishy going on there for.

1723
01:32:08.600 --> 01:32:09.680
Sure, super fishy.

1724
01:32:09.760 --> 01:32:12.800
All right, that's all we got for today. kJ Any

1725
01:32:12.840 --> 01:32:13.479
final thoughts.

1726
01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:16.840
Yeah, y'all need to check out Jim's exposed because he

1727
01:32:17.760 --> 01:32:21.199
is covering Nolan Wells. You've been following that case, yeah,

1728
01:32:21.239 --> 01:32:25.000
pretty strongly. And then I'm following the Clancy case of

1729
01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:27.600
the children that were killed by their own mother. I

1730
01:32:27.640 --> 01:32:29.600
have not released anything on that. I'm just letting y'all

1731
01:32:29.600 --> 01:32:30.880
know that I'm on top of it. I know people

1732
01:32:30.880 --> 01:32:32.920
have asked, and so y'all can look forward to something

1733
01:32:32.920 --> 01:32:33.520
for me on that.

1734
01:32:33.760 --> 01:32:34.079
There you go.

1735
01:32:34.319 --> 01:32:38.439
It's a current, current crime related podcast coming out from

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01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:42.960
Exposed and Unspeakable for you to listen to. And my

1737
01:32:43.079 --> 01:32:46.479
final thought would be, we're only like four weeks from

1738
01:32:46.600 --> 01:32:52.199
kickoff LSU. Love me during LSU season. If they're winning,

1739
01:32:52.600 --> 01:32:53.439
that's right, I tell you.

1740
01:32:53.479 --> 01:32:54.720
If they're not, he's in a bad mows.

1741
01:32:54.800 --> 01:32:56.399
Oh, I'm gonna be in a great mate. If they're

1742
01:32:56.439 --> 01:32:58.319
winning the oh my gosh.

1743
01:32:57.960 --> 01:32:59.520
We're gonna be like, hey, guys, there was no crime.

1744
01:33:00.079 --> 01:33:00.960
It's a great life's peace.

1745
01:33:01.039 --> 01:33:02.880
All we're gonna talk about is LSU the whole time,

1746
01:33:03.399 --> 01:33:06.479
just kidding facts, all right, until next time. I'm Jim

1747
01:33:06.560 --> 01:33:08.840
Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings and we're your host of

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