Sept. 16, 2025

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Season 8

n this episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings, KJ tells the story of a true crime in Beale City, where high schoolers Lauren and Owen's romance is disrupted by harassment, from a person you would never expect.

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, kJ

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You're back with another episode of Unspeakable. How's it going

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this week? My week has been going pretty strong so far.

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I've got a couple of shout outs I want to

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give y'all before I get into this episode. And we're

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gonna start right here in my backyard and Walker Walk. Hello,

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I live here, and I just flubbed the word that's

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impressive in Walker, Louisiana. And I have to say hey

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to my girl, Candy Candace Lockhart, what is going on?

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My friend? How are you doing? I hope you're watching

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me podcast right now. Remember you can get the Patreon

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app on your phone. You do not have to log

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into a desktop to watch and a couple people keep

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asking me about that, it seems, so get that app

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on your phone and you can watch me podcast. Then

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I'm gonna go to Warsaw, Missouri, which low key, that's

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a cool place. Warsaw. I like the name, But Carrie Melson,

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what is going on? Carrie? All the way over there,

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I'm waving to you as well. I hope you're having

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a great week. Thank you so much for joining. And

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then last, but certainly not least, for today is gonna

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be no address, So I don't know where in the

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world she is, but wherever she is, Kayla Joe Dixon,

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I'm waving to you and I'm saying hello, So thank

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you so much for supporting me. I want you to

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know the episode I'm gonna do today was not the

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one that I had planned to do, but people were

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just all over me about this, sending messages and asking

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me what I thought. So I'm just gonna go with

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this one this week and we'll switch it up and

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next week I'll do the one I had planned for

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this week. But I got to take you all the

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way back to high school for this one to start out,

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and so I took the bait. Like I said, after

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everyone was going crazy over this Netflix documentary about an

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unknown number, So I went and I watched it because

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so many people messaged And now I'm going to give

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you my take on it. But in my humble opinion,

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we've got to put ourselves in the minds of young

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high schoolers as I tell this story. Please don't look

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at this through the lens of an adult yet. Let's

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put ourselves back in high school and we're going to

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go to Beal City, Michigan, to be exact. And I

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thought this tidbit was kind of cute about bal City.

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It was settled around eighteen eighty by a man. Are

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you ready for this drum roll please, mister Beale. But

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he opened a grocery store, and that is what it's

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named after, a guy that opened a grocery store. So

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that's kind of cute. And this is an area that's

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very small. It's not densely populated, and from what I saw,

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the census back in twenty twenty said there was only

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three hundred ish people in this small area. So when

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I say small, I really mean it. This is really tiny.

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And the school district there is run by Beale's City

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public schools, but it also encompasses portions of the surrounding

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townships area and that area around it. So the schools

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are very small compared to many others. And it's a

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place where everybody knows everybody. I know, when we say that,

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that's kind of become kind of cliche, but this is legit.

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Everybody knows everybody. Everyone's either related or dated or something

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along those lines. But seriously, the preschool through twelfth grade

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is in one like one school altogether, So it's a

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district where half of the students are literally considered impoverished.

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And I got this information from their website, and I

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think that plays into this story a little bit. That

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said Bull City High School boasts an eighty percent plus

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graduation rate against many odds, and that's a really that's

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a blessing in such a demographic type or type of demographic.

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So educating kids, I'm gonna tell you this, that's got

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to be one of the hardest things to do. If

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you've never done it, you wouldn't understand it. Today's schooling

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is different from when even I was in middle school

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high school. The standards are different, and it's just a

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I don't know. It's a different ballgame. And I saw

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a stand up comedian one time and he said something

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that really hit me because it was so true. It

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was funny because it was true, but it was something

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to the effect of teaching is a job where we

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put kids in a room and we force them to

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learn things that they don't want to know. And if

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that is not so true, I've been there. I did

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it for seventeen years, and it's an art to effectively

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teach teenagers. Specifically. Add to this a minimal attention span.

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With the introduction of cell phones and social media, it's

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nothing but an uphill battle these days. We're only a

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few weeks into school this new school year, and I've

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already had a few teacher friends reach out to me

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and be like, man, this is hard. You know, I'm

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having a rough time. So the reality is, why would

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these kids want to listen to history or science or

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something like that when you could just pull your phone

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out and look at a hot girl, stick her tongue

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out and do a stupid dance and a mini skirt.

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That's pretty much what the fight is that teachers are having. Well,

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beal City High School is no different from schools across

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the nation in that regard, and more time is spent

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trying to combat cell phone usage in school than you

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would ever imagine. And then you add to that mix

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computers with YouTube and games, and you have to see

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how ridiculous this fight is day in and day out.

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If not, I want to just I want to encourage you,

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go sub for one day in your school district or

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the district near you, and you'll see what I'm talking about. So,

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now in today's world, kids and schools have also upped

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their tech game. So cameras are all over the schools,

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and it's a responsibility that the schools now have to

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protect kids from each other. And what I think a

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lot of people may not realize is that even extends

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off campus, specifically when it comes to social media, and

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so some people don't quite understand that that the schools

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are now not only responsible for what's happening from seven

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to three on campus, but other instances that happen off

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campus that affect school related activities. Those two are now

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becoming the responsibility of the schools to take care of.

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This story, considering everything I've just told you, begins in

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October of twenty twenty and the leaves were changing. The

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cool weather had that crispness. You could just feel it

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in the air. It felt like football season. So it's

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kind of where we are almost right now as I'm

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telling this story. But something else was in the air

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as well, and that, my friends, was young love. Now,

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remember I said, we got to go back and put

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ourselves as high schoolers as I tell this story, because

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I remember my first love. You know, my high school boyfriend,

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And do you remember your first love? Whenever you were young,

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that feeling, that innocence all mixed up with you. You

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got to figure out how to control yourself and that

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first kiss and everything that you go through that just

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seems so big and so huge in that moment. And

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then you're hanging out under the bleachers and you're being

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teased by friends about y'all holding hands. First loves, I

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think we can all agree that they're special, and it's

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something that usually ends, it doesn't last, but it's never

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fully forgotten because it's a feeling that most people can

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never achieve again because it was a first of something.

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I remember my first dog, I remember my first championship

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when I was playing sports. It's just first or awesome,

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and we all look back on it and realize, Okay,

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it was puppy love, but it was real in the moment,

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and you don't yet at that age, have the capacity

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for nor the realization that you will need real conflict

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resolution in a true relationship. Give and take is much

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harder because you've never done it before. When you're in

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your first relationship, you realize that people are going to

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make mistakes and that it's not the end of the world.

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But when you're thirteen years old, fourteen years old trying

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to navigate this, it's a lot harder. And this was

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exactly where Lauren and Owen found themselves. They had known

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each other really their whole life, but now that those

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hormones had begun shifting, the friendship would shift as well.

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And since seventh grade this duo had been very close.

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But now things were official and their friends knew it

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it was real, and everyone around them in their class

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but also beyond they knew that this love was out

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in the open and that it was official and they

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were a couple now. He was a nervous wreck when

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he officially asked Lauren out, but he thought that she

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was cute. She thought that he was cute, and now

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they were absolutely inseparable. Both kids were very athletic, very

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involved in each other's athletic events. Lauren was really really

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big into softball and basketball, while Owen loved football. And

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they were a cute little couple too. If you look

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at him, these are just some cute kids, and it's

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just sweet. Lauren was a small, really thin little girl

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with long blonde hair, and Owen would shoot up in

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height rather quickly. But he looks exactly like what you

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think he would look like. He's got that boys short

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athletic haircut, it's ruddish brown hair, he's got a strong jaw,

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and they just looked the part of two young athletes.

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Sure there may have been some jealousy amongst other kids

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their age that they were dating, because everyone wants to

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be loved in high school. But their class was small.

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I mean I think their class was a total of

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like thirty kids, so they all knew each other really

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really well. Now for a perspective, I grew up when

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I was younger, I went to a really small i'm

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gonna say it was a private school, but please don't

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get it twisted. This was like some high end private school.

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But I did go to a private school, and we

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grew up like this. The same kids that I went

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to kindergarten with were the same kids that I graduated

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eighth grade with, and we all knew each other's families

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and everybody really really well. So where I taught high

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school though up until recently, for perspective, that senior class

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this year, just the seniors, is five hundred and thirty seven.

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So this is a place where everyone doesn't know everyone,

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and there's beef even when the kids don't know that

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there's beef. It's kind of funny like kids will fight

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and one one kid won't even know they're in the fight,

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but another group hates them because of where they're from

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or whatever the BS is. But the campus is so

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large that some kids may not even see each other

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throughout the day. We literally have a road that splits

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our campus. It is so large. And I tell you

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all this for perspective, as this story really breaks open

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because the school where these two kids went, their class

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was thirty kids total. So, as I mentioned, it was

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October and the young lovebirds were invited to a Halloween party,

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and as you can imagine, it was being thrown by

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one of their classmates. But this was a type of

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part where not only were the kids gonna go, but

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that parents all went as well, so it was almost

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like a family friendly type of Halloween party. Lauren really

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didn't want to go. But Lauren was more of like

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I would say, she was friendly with everybody, but she

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was more of a loner, very quiet, and I don't

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think that these type of get togethers were her thing.

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But Owen he wanted to go, and so he insisted, look,

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go with me to the party. I'm going. I want

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you to come with me. And it was at this

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time that a text message came through from an unknown

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number that was claiming to be a person, assumingly a

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girl that Owen really liked. And while off the top,

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this seems so juvenile, I'm telling you, I know right

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now you're listening to like, is this really the true

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crime story that Kj's telling? Yes, but you gotta follow

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me here. You gotta hang with me on this one.

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While it seems really juvenile off the top, the messages

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also told Lauren that Owen was going to break up

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with her and he just didn't like her. He couldn't

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stand her, so Okay, whatever, this is stupid teenage drama.

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I can't believe that you know this is going to

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be something that is even worth telling a story on. Again,

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trust the process, my friends. So, even after the party

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was over, the messages continued, and really they started to

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come through at a very rapid succession. This message that

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had started out just saying Owen's going to break up

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with you, he doesn't like you from this unknown number,

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well now they were kind of starting to escalate a

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little bit, like Owen loves me and I'll always be

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the one he wants, he doesn't want your ugly ass

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and things along that line. Now, of course, the teens,

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they're young, and so when these first start coming through,

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they're talking to each other and Lauren's like, who is

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this girl? Why is she texting and sending me all

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these messages about you want her and you don't like me?

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And Owen adamantly denies knowing who it is or why

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they were in that message. He's like, look, I had

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no part of this. I don't even know who it is,

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Like whose number isn't So Lauren tries to call the

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number back, but the person who was sending those messages

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absolutely refused to answer the phone, but the messages continued,

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and those messages were becoming more and more invasive as

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well as aggressive at times. And even stranger to this

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whole situation was that the person who was sending these

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messages really knew intimate details about the teenagers' lives, even

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down to where they were at in the school, what

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they were wearing, who they were talking to in the

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middle of class. So obviously this led the kids to

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believe that it's got to be one of our classmates

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watching us and sending the messages and being really super

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ugly about it. So asking around and thinking, okay, well,

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maybe this is like a joke or someone's being just

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kind of a snotty joke type thing trying to mess

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with with us, the kids kind of started asking each other,

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you know, do you know who's sending her these messages? Hey? Man,

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where were you did you send this message? But no

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one ever admitted to it. But the messages were at

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this point thought of more as a nuisance, maybe even

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an aggravation if anything. But it was then that they

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really started to escalate into a very provocative type of

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messaging and completely not appropriate for the age. That these

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kids were The messages said things like, you're a sweet girl,

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but I know I can give him what he wants.

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We're down to fuck. Well maybe in today's society that

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type of language is more profound than the younger people,

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but it just seems completely completely inappropriate considering the ages

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of these kids. And I want to tell you again,

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remember they are twelve and thirteen years old when these

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messages are coming across, So it seems kind of stranger

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at the age we're holding hands is awkward, But then

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that type of communication seemed just like wow. So the

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kids really started looking at school. When I say the kids,

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the students, they all kind of started looking at each

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other in class and wondering who was sending the messages.

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And even on the slick they're starting to kind of

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watch each other and keep an eye on one another,

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who was on their phone at what time, to try

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and figure out who it was that was sending them.

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But eventually the messages got to be so consistent and

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so out of pocket that the teens decided, and they're

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young teens, we got to get our parents involved. This

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is like beyond now just some squabbling amongst kids. We

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got to tell our parents, this is getting kind of

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out of control, And even at their young ages, they

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knew and they realized that this was way above their

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pay grade, so to speak. We need adult intervention here.

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So when their parents started paying attention, it became rather

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clear that this this was beyond just average shit talking

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by some kid who was jealous, because these messages were

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outright hatred being spewed at these young children. The messages

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would range from telling Lauren, you're the ugliest person I've

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ever seen, to the fact that she was fucking trash,

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and then would insult her and say things like, don't

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wear those leggings, bitch, No one wants to see your

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anorexic flat ass. That's the level of harassment that these

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kids were under. And while an adult my age could

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brush that stupidity off and be like, okay, whatever, I

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have a flat ass, moving on, and I do you know,

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we joke by the way. One of the kids said

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why did teachers always have flat butts? And I was

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like hey, and my daughter looked over at me and

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was like, wow, from your asses kind of fun. I get,

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you know, I could brush it off. I guess it's true,

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but this was this was different this is young, very young,

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impressionable a teenage girl, that these insults, they're hitting her

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in the most vulnerable area at that age, when you're

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very self conscious, you're very unsure of yourself. And the

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reality was Lauren did know that she was thin. She

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was very thin, and she didn't necessarily like it being

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pointed out that she lacked curves like some of the

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other girls were developing faster, and so that meant a

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lot to her. That hurt her heart. And then there

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would be poking and prodding in these messages to make

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her even more insecure. So like a message had come through,

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how's the happy couple? And then later on would be

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followed up with picking on something that was just very

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very important to her and made her very insecure. And

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I know this story is not about me, but I'm

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talking to you, my friends, my listeners, and I thought

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back to when I was that age, and I can

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tell you right now I cannot remember what I ate

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for dinner three nights ago, but I can tell you

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where I was standing in seventh grade when I'm not

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going to say is because it doesn't matter now, but

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I know the first and last name of the boy

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who tortured me through middle school, tortured me in every

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way that a young girl could be tortured. He made

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fun of how pasty white I was. He made up

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the nickname Grimace from McDonald's, that purple creature, because when

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I get cold, I get that lacing in my skin

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that apparently everybody else doesn't get. He made fun of

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my curly hair and got other kids to say chit

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chi chi chia. And maybe it was funny to them,

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but I'm gonna tell you it hit me somewhere strong.

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Hence why I'm probably the way I am about victims

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in every sense of the word, because we all need

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a hero, we all need someone to stand up for us.

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And the hero for me was a man by the

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name of Coach Pope. If he's listening, shout out Coach Pope.

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And you may not even know this, but by the

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time eighth grade rolled around, he recognized that I was

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being tortured by this kid who was the ringleader of

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our school. And he stood up in front of our

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class one day, and it was a big deal to me,

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and he told everybody, you know, I see what's going

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on here. I see what you're saying, and He made

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a point to point out that boy and he said,

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you know, y'all are at this age where everything's changing

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and these insults are being spewed, and I can tell

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you that it's wrong, he said, But I can also

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tell you this. That girl right there, Kelly, if I

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was a boy, that's who i'd be dating. She is athletic,

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she is smart, she's pretty, and I think a lot

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of her. And I'm going to tell you something. That

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man hit me somewhere and did something for me that

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I needed. And the fact that it was a male

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teacher made it even better because it was like a

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man standing up to the boy in my class and saying,

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you're dead wrong. And it eased up. It really did.

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It eased up. But I haven't forgotten it, y'all. I'm

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you're forty years old, and I can tell you where

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I was standing. I can tell you where I was

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sitting in that classroom that doesn't even exist anymore. That's

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how impactful it is at that age. So while these

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text messages may seem petty, put yourself back at that age,

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put yourself there. But let me tell you this. On average,

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these kids, Lauren and Owen, they were getting fifty text

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messages a day to their phone, spewing hatred. Fifty messages

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a day to these young kids. They simply couldn't escape it.

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And I'm gonna tell you it was a stalker ish

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with a side of obsession. What was happening. Their parents

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looked at their phones, and when they read the constant

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assault of insults and the barrage of accusations and just

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the heaviness of it, they decided, we have to get

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the school involved with this because these messages were coming

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in during the school day as well, so it's got

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to be something that they can help curb. Being harassed

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or in class wasn't something that they were willing to

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tolerate because it was affecting both Owen and Lauren not

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only at home, but now it was also affecting their

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performance at school. They were kind of starting to withdraw.

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They weren't wanting to talk to anybody because somebody in

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this room is harassing me and saying all these things

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to me, but everyone's being nice to my face. So

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this is scary that someone is capable of this. Louisiana

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as of last year, okay, as of the time that

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I'm recording, this. Louisiana literally changed the cell phone law. Okay,

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as it goes to schools, and I always say it

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in Spanish es la lais okay, it's the law that

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you may be able to carry the cell phone onto

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the campus. No worries there. But the cell phone, by

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law must be turned off and it has to be

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properly stowed. Means put away. Don't pull it out of

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your booksack, don't let us see it. You don't need

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to have it even in your pocket. Just put it

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away and then we're good. Then when school is over,

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you can turn your cell phone back, like if you

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have practice or something like that, and you need to

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get in touch with your parents. But that's how critical

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the problem had become in Louisiana, but Michigan it wasn't

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the case. So at this point the messages had been

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coming through for roughly a month, and that's whenever the

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principle was made aware of this and he decided to

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get involved. Now, to his credit, he expected this to

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be the typical phone bullying and fighting situation that is

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constantly occurring between kids. It's an absolute pain in the ass,

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but it's a necessary evil that must be dealt with

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in today's society. But when Lauren and Owen's moms showed up,

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they came on a united front and they provided proof

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of the level of problem problematic content in this situation.

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He was flat out stunned, not only because of the

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sheer volume of the messages, but the just flought out

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vileness of the of the messages. They were were so

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revolting that even when reading them, it made the adults

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in the room uncomfortable. I mean, we're talking about kids here,

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you know, kids talking to kids, and it's just sick.

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So naturally, the kids were called in and a game

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plan was made where the school says, look, we're gonna

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help you get to the bottom of this. We want

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to solve it as much as you do. And so

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while the school had a game plan, I'm gonna switch

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over real quick to the kids, the kids also had

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their own game plan. Amongst themselves. They decided, and this

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is pretty slick on the kid's part considering their age,

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but they would start saying things in front of the group,

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like during school, to see what would be repeated, so

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they could try to pick out the person that it

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was said in front of. All right, that's pretty good.

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So they're trying to set each other up basically, and

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it would be stupid false things that were said. But

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when the kids started doing this, it only brought them

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to a really uncomfortable conclusion. They thought, based on what

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was being repeated back, Lauren was sending the messages to

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herself because she was the only commonality amongst who was

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there when things were repeated, So attention seeking behavior possibly,

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I mean, it was it was very extreme to be

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texting yourself that many times. I mean, that just seemed wild.

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But that's what the kids came up with. But I'm

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gonna tell you this again. To that principle's credit, the

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school didn't agree the principle after evaluating everything, genuinely felt

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that Owen and Lauren could be ruled out as the

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originators of these messages. But there were seven hundred kids

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total at the school. Obviously, obviously some of them were

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just way too young to matter. But to try to

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vet all of them without sparking more rumors is now

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a task in and of itself. I mean, you're now,

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what you're gonna ask twelfth graders eleventh, tenth, ninth, eight, seventh,

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I mean, where do you stop? And how are we

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gonna do this? Okay, So the school admin decided to

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invest a good bit of their time into trying to

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figure it out. It's it wasn't just teens fighting at

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this point. I need you to understand that this was

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above that who was able, capable, willing, and ready to

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send fifty to sixty text messages a day, assaulting and

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just barraging with insults. So they started investigating the times

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that these messages were sent versus timestamps on the school cameras.

466
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So can we see a pattern here? Maybe if the

467
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.799
sender knew something about science class, was there someone who

468
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.400
was excusing themselves to go to the bathroom or something

469
00:26:56.440 --> 00:26:58.920
like that that would allow them to send the text unseen.

470
00:27:01.079 --> 00:27:03.920
Lauren and Owen and the principle had an agreement that

471
00:27:04.160 --> 00:27:07.599
whenever they received a message, they would immediately tell text

472
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.640
the principle and or whoever the contact point was that day,

473
00:27:12.079 --> 00:27:14.519
and it would be as soon as they got a message.

474
00:27:14.640 --> 00:27:18.519
So imagine now being in class and now you're having

475
00:27:18.599 --> 00:27:21.799
to add this added stress to your day. Okay, I've

476
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.359
got to pay attention, but I've also got to check

477
00:27:23.359 --> 00:27:24.720
my phone, and if I get a message, I've got

478
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:26.240
to send it to the principle. I mean, there's a

479
00:27:26.240 --> 00:27:29.599
lot going on for these kids. And while this tedious

480
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.119
process was underway on the school's behalf, Owen and Lauren's

481
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:40.240
moms were so overwhelmed by who was watching their children

482
00:27:40.559 --> 00:27:43.559
that they were now afraid are they in danger? I mean,

483
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:46.519
is someone going to hurt them? Who cares this much

484
00:27:46.559 --> 00:27:49.000
to do this to our kids? These two moms began

485
00:27:49.079 --> 00:27:52.279
leaning on each other for support because no one understood

486
00:27:52.319 --> 00:27:54.359
what they were going through but each other. So the

487
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:58.799
fear was ever increasing. Basically that whomever was behind these

488
00:27:59.400 --> 00:28:05.200
messages was now escalating and would actually cause enough stress

489
00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:08.359
to the kids that these kids might end up hurting themselves.

490
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:14.279
Because every single day the messages were bombarding Owen and Lauren,

491
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:18.599
which was now also causing strain amongst that small classmate

492
00:28:18.680 --> 00:28:23.880
group of their age. Everybody was now accusing everybody or

493
00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:28.079
thinking everybody was involved. Both or Owen and Lauren's moms

494
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:31.440
remained very involved at the school at this point. They

495
00:28:31.440 --> 00:28:33.920
were very involved with the principle. They were keeping him

496
00:28:33.960 --> 00:28:37.880
updated on the situation as this was a daily occurrence,

497
00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:42.400
not just every now and then. So the principal suggested

498
00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:45.039
the obvious things that right now, all of the adults

499
00:28:45.039 --> 00:28:49.079
are saying, block the number, Hello, block the number. Maybe

500
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:51.079
get the kids a new phone, get him a new number.

501
00:28:51.720 --> 00:28:54.920
But the realization was that blocking the number wouldn't work.

502
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:59.559
Why because whoever was doing this was smart enough to

503
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:04.960
use a random number generator application. Thus any number that

504
00:29:05.079 --> 00:29:07.839
was blocked it wouldn't matter because then they would just

505
00:29:07.880 --> 00:29:12.200
generate a new number to text from. So are you

506
00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.160
curious as to why this is even a thing that

507
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:20.839
would be created this, this random phone number app? Because

508
00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:23.720
I know I was. I had an idea obviously of

509
00:29:23.720 --> 00:29:25.480
what it was about, but I did look deeper into

510
00:29:25.519 --> 00:29:29.480
this because I was curious. And random number generators do

511
00:29:29.599 --> 00:29:32.680
have very valid uses, and these are the ones that

512
00:29:32.839 --> 00:29:36.359
I thought that they would be for. So, as with

513
00:29:36.480 --> 00:29:39.519
most crimes like this, it starts as a useful tool,

514
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:43.400
but someone with deceit in their mind decided to use

515
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:50.519
it for alternative purposes. So, for example, the biggest advantages

516
00:29:50.720 --> 00:29:54.279
of using a temporary phone number service is for privacy

517
00:29:54.319 --> 00:29:58.319
protection and to avoid unwanted calls. And I'm gonna give

518
00:29:58.319 --> 00:30:02.480
you an example here. Let's say a podcaster that you love,

519
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:05.000
maybe she's waving at the camera right now. All right,

520
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:07.480
let's say that she started this new thing she's doing

521
00:30:07.559 --> 00:30:10.559
on Patreon. Okay, I'm talking about me and I am

522
00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:13.640
now gonna have prompts on Patreon. I want you to

523
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.039
go get involved in this because it's got it's kind

524
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:17.920
of cool, I think. But I'm gonna ask you to

525
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:20.240
tell me what cases would you really like me to cover?

526
00:30:20.319 --> 00:30:22.799
Which ones are really irking you or you any it

527
00:30:22.799 --> 00:30:24.920
could be any type of case you want. And then

528
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.759
I'm gonna randomly, I'm gonna have Jimothy over here, producer Jimothy.

529
00:30:29.079 --> 00:30:31.359
He's gonna create numbers and I'm gonna pick a random

530
00:30:31.440 --> 00:30:34.720
number out of that and whoever is that number? Comment

531
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.880
is who is gonna get chosen? But I'm gonna take

532
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:39.920
it a step further. Not only am I gonna tell

533
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:42.720
your story, but I'm gonna call you. I want to

534
00:30:42.759 --> 00:30:44.720
talk to you, and I want to know what is

535
00:30:44.759 --> 00:30:46.599
it about this case that's irking you? What is it

536
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:47.759
that you want to know? Do you just want me

537
00:30:47.799 --> 00:30:51.599
to deep deep dive into it or whatever? Well, I'm

538
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.039
gonna just shoot you straight here. I'm not gonna call

539
00:30:54.079 --> 00:30:56.119
you from my cell phone. Okay, I don't want to

540
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:58.519
share my cell phone number with the world, not because

541
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:01.000
I don't like you, but because that's my private number.

542
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.519
I don't want to share it. Okay, So I would

543
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.759
use this type of service so that I can call you.

544
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:09.480
And the number that it's generated from is not an

545
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.839
actual number, it's just one to be able to do

546
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:15.640
the phone service to call you. Okay, very very valid

547
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:19.559
service option there. What if a celebrity wants to check

548
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.640
into a hotel and not give away their real phone number,

549
00:31:22.680 --> 00:31:25.680
Well they could call using this service. YadA, YadA, YadA. Also,

550
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.759
some people that are like freelancers, they may during the

551
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:34.240
day use their home phone to do calls to sell

552
00:31:34.279 --> 00:31:36.759
by phone or something like that. Well they could use

553
00:31:36.759 --> 00:31:38.920
this random generator to be able to make those random

554
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:42.240
sales calls, and then when they're ready just to be

555
00:31:42.319 --> 00:31:44.799
themselves talking to their family and friends, they use their

556
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:48.880
their regular phone number. So there's a lot of valid reasons.

557
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:51.359
The most common one I think that you and I

558
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:55.160
would come in contact with would be that a lot

559
00:31:55.200 --> 00:32:00.920
of platforms require SMS verification codes. So if you want

560
00:32:00.920 --> 00:32:03.000
to sign up for social media, it always asks you

561
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.720
for your phone number. Well, you could use this random

562
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.440
number generator to get that SMS code to put in

563
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:10.640
to verify that you're you, But then your number is

564
00:32:10.640 --> 00:32:14.440
not then out there for all of the spam calls

565
00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.519
that come out. So that is why it did have

566
00:32:17.559 --> 00:32:19.400
a valid use, and that's why it was something that

567
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:22.720
was out there. The other issue, though, that the parents

568
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:26.000
were facing was that if their kids got new phone

569
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:29.839
numbers themselves, the person doing this was obviously in their

570
00:32:29.839 --> 00:32:32.480
inner circle of friends, so once they gave out their

571
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.720
new phone number, it would just start all over again.

572
00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:38.359
So I understand where they were coming from. At this point.

573
00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:40.720
The parents were kind of like, look, our kids are

574
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:43.039
the ones being harassed, Why should they be the ones

575
00:32:43.079 --> 00:32:46.240
punished whenever, We're not going to solve the problem here.

576
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:48.240
Every time we get them a new phone number, it

577
00:32:48.400 --> 00:32:53.039
just picks up again. I get that, But the harassment continued,

578
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:55.720
and the parents were now in the school office more

579
00:32:55.759 --> 00:32:59.839
than ever, which was not very conducive for a productive

580
00:33:00.079 --> 00:33:03.440
school administration. It was taking up way too much time

581
00:33:03.839 --> 00:33:06.680
and way too many resources. And I'm going to tell

582
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:11.359
you this, you would not believe the responsibility of an

583
00:33:11.400 --> 00:33:14.720
admin in a school system during the day unless you

584
00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:17.920
shadowed them or you were there because I have a

585
00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.119
lot of respect for the principal at the school that

586
00:33:20.400 --> 00:33:23.039
one of my children goes to. Twenty four to seven,

587
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:26.680
he is dealing with parents with emails with everything from

588
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:29.480
policy changes to trying to figure out who shoved a

589
00:33:29.519 --> 00:33:31.279
banana in the toilet and backed it up. You know,

590
00:33:31.319 --> 00:33:34.559
it's the gamut. So this was now starting to become

591
00:33:34.599 --> 00:33:38.160
an issue up in that office, and these parents really

592
00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.559
started They were pleased for help, but you could understand

593
00:33:41.559 --> 00:33:43.680
at some point it kind of started turning into demands,

594
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:46.279
like you've got to do something, you need to fix this.

595
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.240
So what the parents were want Lauren and Owen's parents

596
00:33:49.240 --> 00:33:51.720
were wanting was, look, can you enforce a new cell

597
00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:55.000
phone policy or something like to make all of this stop.

598
00:33:55.279 --> 00:33:58.079
And it's kind of like I chuckled at that, because yeah,

599
00:33:59.599 --> 00:34:03.079
new phone policies and we fought this in the schools locally,

600
00:34:03.119 --> 00:34:05.720
but the teachers were kind of like, oh, lleluia whenever

601
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:08.239
they said get the phones out of the classroom. But

602
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:11.559
there the principle was in a kind of a conundrum

603
00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:14.239
here because he's like, look, we're not going to stop

604
00:34:14.360 --> 00:34:17.920
the and punish the entire school because of your two

605
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:21.880
kids issue. I know it's serious, but after all, there

606
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.440
were legitimate uses for cell phones on campus. I know

607
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:28.159
that when we first started letting the phones on campus, y'all,

608
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:31.119
we had apps that we would use. We could communicated

609
00:34:31.159 --> 00:34:33.679
with kids through their cell phones. Through those apps, there

610
00:34:33.679 --> 00:34:36.880
were these games for like review, and you did it

611
00:34:36.920 --> 00:34:39.519
through your phone on an app. So there was legitimate

612
00:34:39.599 --> 00:34:42.400
school use of these cell phones. And this would now

613
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.519
cause a massive disruption in the day, the day to

614
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:48.719
day workings of the way everyone was using the phones

615
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:52.239
in the schools. So the messages continued, and by now

616
00:34:52.440 --> 00:34:59.360
they are beyond explicit, very highly sexual in nature. They

617
00:34:59.400 --> 00:35:02.519
said things like Owen wanted to have sex, but Lauren

618
00:35:02.599 --> 00:35:06.159
wasn't good enough and she was horribly ugly. And again,

619
00:35:06.440 --> 00:35:09.119
I've churched up these these messages a lot for this

620
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.280
episode because I'm gonna tell you, it made me very uncomfortable,

621
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:18.840
very uncomfortable to think of saying these things as sexual

622
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:21.840
they as they were, considering that they were aimed towards

623
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:25.440
talking about young teens. It just gave me the ick.

624
00:35:25.800 --> 00:35:27.719
And I'm no prude. We all know that I'm not

625
00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:30.159
a prude at all, but I am an adult, and

626
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:35.519
the things that were said were on level with disgusting

627
00:35:35.760 --> 00:35:40.639
porno talk. And when this is being communicated to minors,

628
00:35:41.079 --> 00:35:43.800
it really Oh, it's like jarring, and it should be.

629
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.400
It should be because it's it's beyond what children should

630
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:51.000
be dealing with. But I will, however, give you a

631
00:35:51.039 --> 00:35:55.679
text here exactly as it was written for context. But

632
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.639
I want to warn you real quick that if you

633
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:01.800
have young ears in the car, please please pause this.

634
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:04.239
Please don't play this in front of you young kids.

635
00:36:04.239 --> 00:36:06.079
Even if you're like, oh, they can take it, please don't.

636
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:08.000
It's uncomfortable for me and I don't want to be

637
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:10.360
someone saying this to your kids. All right, So the

638
00:36:10.400 --> 00:36:14.639
messages went from bitch your ugly you know, fuck off,

639
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:17.960
and then they turned into this is a direct quote,

640
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:21.079
not my words, owen, and I down to suck finger

641
00:36:21.119 --> 00:36:24.920
fuck y'all. These are thirteen year old kids. Don't forget that. Please.

642
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:28.440
Another message said his dick and fingers, my pussy and

643
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:35.280
mouth like, who writes this shit? I'm a grown ass,

644
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:37.440
married one man. I don't write that shit like this

645
00:36:37.519 --> 00:36:41.400
is this is not on par with what kids should

646
00:36:41.440 --> 00:36:43.239
be saying to one another. But on the other end,

647
00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:46.440
remember kids were having Lauren and Owen were reading this

648
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.400
day in and day out. Okay, it's like abusive and

649
00:36:49.440 --> 00:36:52.159
it's disgusting. That's the level of what we're dealing with here.

650
00:36:52.159 --> 00:36:54.800
And that's just two text messages. They were getting fifty

651
00:36:54.840 --> 00:36:58.440
and sixty a day. So Lauren would go home, she

652
00:36:58.480 --> 00:37:01.199
would vent to her parents, she would cry, she would

653
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:04.440
be upset, and that would only increase the anguish when

654
00:37:04.480 --> 00:37:07.960
they realized there was nothing they could physically do to

655
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.199
help her. There was nothing that they could do that

656
00:37:11.239 --> 00:37:15.719
would stop this. So Lauren's mom is doing basically what

657
00:37:16.679 --> 00:37:20.039
all moms would do, and rightfully. So she's like, listen,

658
00:37:20.079 --> 00:37:24.920
you've got to ignore these texts, and she's telling Lauren, look,

659
00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:28.039
you're beautiful, you're kind, you're a good athlete, and so

660
00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.199
obviously this is somebody who's jealous of you and they're

661
00:37:31.280 --> 00:37:35.599
just taking out a lot of hate on you. Owen, however,

662
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:39.239
he stopped wanting to go to school as this was

663
00:37:39.280 --> 00:37:42.840
a lot on his shoulders, and his mom finally was

664
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:46.880
like okay enough and took the phone away. But that

665
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:49.320
didn't really help because he's a kid who's trying to

666
00:37:49.360 --> 00:37:51.400
fit in and everyone else has a phone. And then

667
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:52.920
when They're like, why don't you have a phone? Oh,

668
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:55.760
someone keeps sending sexual message like it just it really

669
00:37:55.840 --> 00:37:58.519
hurt him a lot too. I'm sure it had to

670
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:03.639
be embarrassing for him to have someone say that about him,

671
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:05.280
and then not only that, he had to turn those

672
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:07.400
messages over to his own mother. I mean, the whole

673
00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:12.000
situation just was crappy. And the more messages that kept

674
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:15.920
coming through, they would say things like this, like it

675
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:18.280
was like they weren't even full sentences. It would say.

676
00:38:18.400 --> 00:38:20.519
One of them said, my fucking tits in his face,

677
00:38:20.639 --> 00:38:25.079
make him horny, make it cream. And I want you

678
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:29.239
to know I am weirded out just repeating this to you.

679
00:38:29.719 --> 00:38:32.599
Please know there's no joy in repeating this to you,

680
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:36.519
but the reality of it. Whenever I wrap up this

681
00:38:36.679 --> 00:38:40.800
story in the end, it's gonna matter. So that's why

682
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:42.719
I'm telling it to you. It's going to matter. Do

683
00:38:42.840 --> 00:38:45.360
not forget what these messages were that I just read

684
00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:47.920
to you. So as you can imagine, this is now

685
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:51.440
causing a lot of tension, not only between the teens,

686
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.519
but also in the homes of the teens Owen and Lauren.

687
00:38:56.119 --> 00:39:01.239
They began fighting under all of this pressure. These adult

688
00:39:01.400 --> 00:39:04.039
level accusations that were being thrown on the shoulders of

689
00:39:04.079 --> 00:39:05.840
these kids. They didn't know how to deal with it.

690
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:11.360
And in one way, they seemed too young to really

691
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:15.119
grasp how horrible what was being said to them was.

692
00:39:15.360 --> 00:39:16.559
And I don't know if it's just because of the

693
00:39:16.639 --> 00:39:20.000
overexposure to sexuality in our in our society or what

694
00:39:20.039 --> 00:39:23.599
it was, but maybe they were just desensitized to it

695
00:39:23.639 --> 00:39:25.599
at this level, because you know, music and everything is

696
00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.599
so just gross these days. And I don't blame them

697
00:39:28.599 --> 00:39:31.840
for that. They just they didn't seem to grasp how

698
00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:33.519
horrible it was. It's just that they knew that it

699
00:39:33.639 --> 00:39:36.599
was horrible, but not the level of what was being

700
00:39:36.599 --> 00:39:39.480
said to kids. But as you can imagine, their young

701
00:39:39.559 --> 00:39:42.760
love couldn't take this, and so they did end up

702
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:46.039
breaking up. And maybe this, in a weird way, would

703
00:39:46.039 --> 00:39:49.480
be a good thing, because the messages would stop. Okay,

704
00:39:49.480 --> 00:39:52.480
if they're not together, the messages would stop. Now, these

705
00:39:52.480 --> 00:39:57.039
two young kids had dated two years. That's a long time,

706
00:39:57.360 --> 00:39:59.320
you know. I think that when we think about young love,

707
00:39:59.440 --> 00:40:01.599
it's almost like dog years. You know, dog years is

708
00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:03.599
every seven years. I think young dating years are like

709
00:40:03.599 --> 00:40:06.719
one hundred years, because oh my God, people celebrate their

710
00:40:06.760 --> 00:40:09.840
one month anniversary when we're young, right, Okay, but they

711
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:13.000
were together two years and now that first love was over,

712
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.760
Lauren was absolutely heartbroken, and as was Owen. But I

713
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:20.440
think the girls take it a little harder. But the

714
00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:24.360
level of these messages was way too heavy for young kids.

715
00:40:24.800 --> 00:40:29.320
But get this, even after they broke up, the messages

716
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:34.119
continued and they intensified even more. Now the messages were

717
00:40:34.159 --> 00:40:38.320
saying things like kill yourself. Owen would be better off

718
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:42.119
if you were dead. This is what Lauren is receiving.

719
00:40:44.119 --> 00:40:47.719
So Lauren, as you can imagine, was now in a

720
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:53.280
decline mentally or emotionally over these messages. She continued to

721
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:57.239
get them. They would say things like dead hashtag bang bang,

722
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:01.119
hashtag suicide and how much do you have to hear

723
00:41:01.159 --> 00:41:03.840
this and read this and see this before your young

724
00:41:03.960 --> 00:41:09.400
heart just does something that it can't take back. You know,

725
00:41:09.480 --> 00:41:12.159
kids do this all the time. They think that death

726
00:41:12.559 --> 00:41:16.239
and suicide is the answer, and parents should be afraid

727
00:41:16.239 --> 00:41:18.840
of this. The way that people treat one another, and

728
00:41:19.000 --> 00:41:22.440
this is no different. These messages hit on all of

729
00:41:22.480 --> 00:41:24.800
her insecurities and now they're telling her to kill herself,

730
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:27.920
and she's lost her boyfriend. That's a lot emotionally for

731
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.719
a kid to go through, and this level of harassment

732
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:36.039
and abuse on a teenager is hard enough as an

733
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:39.000
adult to fathom, but imagine being that kid that age.

734
00:41:39.639 --> 00:41:43.199
More texts came through Owen wants you dead, another one

735
00:41:43.239 --> 00:41:50.000
warning you finish yourself before we do so. Now both

736
00:41:50.039 --> 00:41:53.280
sets of parents were afraid of whoever was sending these

737
00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:56.679
messages because of them increasing. And now at the added

738
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:58.599
thing of we don't want our kids to hurt themselves.

739
00:41:58.599 --> 00:41:59.920
We don't want someone else to hurt them. We don't

740
00:41:59.920 --> 00:42:01.920
wan to hurt themselves, we don't want them to hurt

741
00:42:01.920 --> 00:42:06.280
each other. This is incredible. Now put this into perspective.

742
00:42:06.719 --> 00:42:12.360
Fifteen months this would go on, not one, not two,

743
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:17.199
not ten, not you know, eleven, twelve, thirteen, fifteen months

744
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.159
these messages would continue, and now it's starting to come

745
00:42:22.199 --> 00:42:26.400
to a head. I mean, this is legitimate cyber bullying.

746
00:42:27.159 --> 00:42:31.119
And so they opened a police case on this at

747
00:42:31.119 --> 00:42:34.960
this point. The superintendent of the public school system was

748
00:42:34.960 --> 00:42:38.199
there at this meeting, as was the principal of the school,

749
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:43.679
as were the parents of Owen and Lauren. So I

750
00:42:43.719 --> 00:42:45.039
want to give you the parents' name. So you can

751
00:42:45.079 --> 00:42:48.199
keep up with the story. Owen's mom is named Jill

752
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:53.000
and Lauren's mom her name is Kendra, so both moms

753
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:59.079
were very very upset. Emotional trauma is real. Anyone who

754
00:42:59.079 --> 00:43:02.000
thinks it's not you have not experienced it, nor someone

755
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.760
who's ever dealt with it. Emotional trauma is real, and

756
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:10.400
the risk elevates the more that someone is exposed to.

757
00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:13.679
So self harm was now a legitimate worry, and that's

758
00:43:13.679 --> 00:43:16.519
why these police had to get involved. So the officer

759
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.440
that was tasked with the case was advised of everything

760
00:43:19.480 --> 00:43:23.400
that you know so far, and he knew or believed

761
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.599
that there had to be a group of kids with

762
00:43:27.679 --> 00:43:31.760
a close bond and that they likely were involved. So

763
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:34.840
his thoughts were that there probably was like two or

764
00:43:34.880 --> 00:43:38.719
three kids that knew about this and were working together

765
00:43:38.880 --> 00:43:41.880
and keeping their silence to keep this going on and

766
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.039
to not have at least one person found, multiple people

767
00:43:45.119 --> 00:43:47.679
must have been involved in this, and so what the

768
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:51.320
officer would do was he would come to school a

769
00:43:51.360 --> 00:43:54.119
few times a week to get updates, so he was

770
00:43:54.199 --> 00:43:57.880
continually continuously on top of this and in one body

771
00:43:57.920 --> 00:44:02.280
cam discussion during those one of those visits, and I

772
00:44:02.280 --> 00:44:04.280
want you to know something. I know teen girls. I

773
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.719
taught them for seventeen years, I parent them. I know

774
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:14.239
teen girls. Lauren's little face in that video, she looked tired,

775
00:44:15.320 --> 00:44:20.079
she looked beat, she looked emotionally drained. And it makes

776
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.599
your mama heart, it makes your teach your heart, it

777
00:44:22.639 --> 00:44:25.719
makes any heart that you have for teenagers. It made

778
00:44:25.719 --> 00:44:28.159
it just kind of sink because you're looking at her

779
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:32.119
little face, going she's done. She's in a different world

780
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:34.760
at this point, trying to handle this while also trying

781
00:44:34.760 --> 00:44:38.639
to remain a good student and a good daughter. Well,

782
00:44:38.960 --> 00:44:41.880
the couple had broken up, like I told you, by now,

783
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:45.719
and so they were deciding to now focus on their

784
00:44:45.800 --> 00:44:49.880
athletics respectively. So, after all, when all of a sudden done,

785
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:55.239
they were great athletes, amazing athletes, and this very talent

786
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:59.559
that they had would bring about a massive change of

787
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:04.360
direct in this very case, because the messages now shifted

788
00:45:04.880 --> 00:45:08.400
and now they were focusing on Lauren and her athletics

789
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:11.039
and telling her how bad of an athlete she was

790
00:45:11.559 --> 00:45:14.440
and how she wasn't any good at anything that she tried.

791
00:45:14.880 --> 00:45:18.679
And you know, Lauren, like I just told you, was

792
00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:23.000
awesome at her athletics. But this person who was sending

793
00:45:23.079 --> 00:45:28.880
these messages would now highlight specific mistakes in her game.

794
00:45:30.079 --> 00:45:34.840
So these messages are stalker level. This means that the

795
00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:39.480
person who is making these these vile assaults at now

796
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:44.000
her athletics was at the game. They're there, they're in

797
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:49.880
that gym, So this upped the stress level as well

798
00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:53.199
as not only being the team, but now as the athlete,

799
00:45:53.239 --> 00:45:55.119
you know, they're watching me. They're gonna call me out

800
00:45:55.119 --> 00:45:58.239
on everything bad that happens or every mistake that I made.

801
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:02.320
And so you're playing ball or she's playing ball knowing

802
00:46:02.360 --> 00:46:05.519
that the person is there focused on her and watching

803
00:46:05.559 --> 00:46:09.760
her every move. So Lauren and her mother, Kendra, they

804
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.920
began a little investigation of their own because one of

805
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:17.719
the messages that was sent by the stalker mentioned how

806
00:46:17.760 --> 00:46:22.239
many points she as in the stalker, how many points

807
00:46:22.599 --> 00:46:26.760
she had scored the night before. Blah blah blah blah blah.

808
00:46:26.760 --> 00:46:28.800
You didn't score very well. I scored blah blah blah

809
00:46:28.800 --> 00:46:34.320
blah blah. And so mom Kendra was a volunteer scorekeeper

810
00:46:34.639 --> 00:46:36.400
during the games, and she said, we got to go

811
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:38.840
look at these logs. Let's go look at the logs,

812
00:46:38.880 --> 00:46:41.800
because this means this is a fellow athlete if she's

813
00:46:41.800 --> 00:46:45.320
saying I scored whatever, And so, okay, great, now we

814
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:48.000
know that this is a female sending these messages, and

815
00:46:48.039 --> 00:46:50.960
we now know it's a fellow athlete. Well, since mom

816
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:54.239
kept the score books at the games, she had these logs.

817
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.159
So they sat down together and they started going through

818
00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:02.840
the logs, and only one girl scored the amount of

819
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:08.119
points that the stalker said she scored. And that girl's

820
00:47:08.199 --> 00:47:12.800
name was Chloe Wilson. So now put on your freshman

821
00:47:12.800 --> 00:47:15.119
girl hormones for a second with me, and let me

822
00:47:15.280 --> 00:47:17.519
just spill the tea, okay, because this is gonna matter.

823
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:23.880
Chloe supposedly had a crush on Owen, so it did

824
00:47:24.719 --> 00:47:28.960
fit in. Chloe and Lauren didn't like each other. They

825
00:47:29.000 --> 00:47:31.320
hadn't liked each other all through school. They were not

826
00:47:31.440 --> 00:47:34.079
fans of each other. They played sports beside each other,

827
00:47:34.280 --> 00:47:39.000
but they didn't like each other. And Chloe had allegedly

828
00:47:40.039 --> 00:47:43.440
yet it was confirmed by documentation in this documentary. Okay,

829
00:47:43.440 --> 00:47:44.960
but I'm gonna say allegedly because I didn't see the

830
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.840
report myself. But Chloe had allegedly been a bully at

831
00:47:49.880 --> 00:47:54.079
the school in the past, and she was really looking like,

832
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:58.119
this is probably the right person. Okay. She was naturally

833
00:47:58.119 --> 00:48:00.639
going to be called into the office to be spoken

834
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:04.719
to about this. She had a history of bullying other kids.

835
00:48:04.800 --> 00:48:07.239
She had been brought in because of it, and so

836
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:11.000
when she was brought in, she wholeheartedly denied it. I

837
00:48:11.039 --> 00:48:12.960
didn't send these messages. I have nothing to do with this,

838
00:48:12.960 --> 00:48:16.039
blah blah blah blah blah. Well, the consensus amongst kids

839
00:48:16.079 --> 00:48:18.559
and some of the other parents was that she's obviously lying,

840
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:23.920
and her dad's job came under scrutiny. Why because her

841
00:48:24.039 --> 00:48:27.320
dad was a police officer. So everyone's like, of course

842
00:48:27.360 --> 00:48:28.880
she's not gonna admit to and of course she's not

843
00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:30.800
gonna get in trouble for it. Her dad's gonna cover

844
00:48:30.960 --> 00:48:35.599
up for her. Chloe get This was also a popular

845
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:42.079
girl who ran with two other popular girls, cheerleaders and

846
00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:46.000
top athlete type of girls, the ones who were pretty,

847
00:48:46.519 --> 00:48:49.239
the ones who were the top of the food chain. Okay.

848
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:54.840
Those two girls names were Sophie and Macey, So Chloe,

849
00:48:55.039 --> 00:48:59.559
Sophie and Macy were a tight trio to them. Lauren

850
00:48:59.599 --> 00:49:02.320
was an out cider who only talked about sports and

851
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:07.679
very nothing, very deep in her conversation. So to them

852
00:49:08.000 --> 00:49:12.840
this trio, they kept saying, Lauren is texting herself because

853
00:49:12.840 --> 00:49:15.679
she's wanting to get Owen's attention. She's gonna want Owen

854
00:49:15.760 --> 00:49:18.159
to run to her and they can get back together.

855
00:49:18.280 --> 00:49:21.199
From continuing on these messages and low key, I'll tell

856
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:24.800
you this, kids do do that. I said, do do market,

857
00:49:25.599 --> 00:49:28.760
But kids do that, And so for them to think this,

858
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:32.079
I don't think was a very far fetched assumption considering

859
00:49:32.159 --> 00:49:36.199
that they're young kids. So the investigating officer originally believed,

860
00:49:36.239 --> 00:49:38.559
if you remember that this was likely a tight, nips

861
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:43.119
knit small group and they were now fighting amongst themselves

862
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:47.400
that trio. We had Chloe the bully, Sophie which was

863
00:49:47.480 --> 00:49:51.440
Owen's good friend, and Macy, which is the other friend,

864
00:49:52.119 --> 00:49:56.000
and they would likely know what was up, and police

865
00:49:56.039 --> 00:49:57.480
were just going to need one of them to crack

866
00:49:57.559 --> 00:50:01.480
so that they could get this crack wide open. The

867
00:50:01.559 --> 00:50:06.280
running thought was this, Sophie and Owen were close, their

868
00:50:06.480 --> 00:50:10.639
entire lives, very very close, and so maybe this was

869
00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:17.519
a jealousy thing because Owen's mom Jill, and Sophie's mom

870
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:22.000
her name was Koren. They were best friends. Okay, so

871
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:25.840
the Owen and Sophie were raised together. Why because their

872
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:29.360
parents their moms were best friends. So Jill, Owen's mom

873
00:50:29.400 --> 00:50:31.920
reached out to Krien, Sophie's mom, and said, look, maybe

874
00:50:31.960 --> 00:50:34.480
you can help us figure this out. Can you look

875
00:50:34.519 --> 00:50:36.519
in the phones? Can you help us figure out what's

876
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:39.800
going on here? So Karen even took her daughter's phone,

877
00:50:40.159 --> 00:50:44.440
she went through it. There was nothing there. So now

878
00:50:44.480 --> 00:50:48.480
there's this turmoil over here on this side of things. Well,

879
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.639
the girls played basketball, right Well, the basketball coach at

880
00:50:51.639 --> 00:50:54.239
this point was fed up. He was tired of the fighting,

881
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:58.400
tired of the drama, and both Chloe and Lauren played

882
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.480
ball together, Chloe the bully and Lauren the one being bullied.

883
00:51:02.280 --> 00:51:05.840
So the parents of Owen and Lauren, they wanted to

884
00:51:05.880 --> 00:51:08.800
talk to all of the students and confront people at

885
00:51:08.800 --> 00:51:10.760
this point because it was so out of control. Remember

886
00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.840
we're like fifteen months into this, sixteen seventeen at this point,

887
00:51:14.320 --> 00:51:18.400
and the school was like, not only no, but hell no,

888
00:51:19.119 --> 00:51:20.800
you're not gonna come up in here and just start

889
00:51:20.960 --> 00:51:23.760
accusing and harassing other kids that have nothing to do

890
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:26.960
with this. That's not gonna happen. This was making a

891
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:32.320
you problem become an everyone problem. And in all blunt honesty,

892
00:51:32.599 --> 00:51:36.239
schools can't be having that happen. That's ridiculous. The parents

893
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.599
were pissed when they were told no, but I have

894
00:51:38.639 --> 00:51:40.159
to say I agree with the school in this one.

895
00:51:40.760 --> 00:51:46.599
So meanwhile, another offshoot of the messages began an additional

896
00:51:46.679 --> 00:51:50.360
issue for the bully Chloe. And I'm saying bully just

897
00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:51.840
so we can keep up with the names. I'm not

898
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:54.599
saying she's actually a bully in real life, okay, but

899
00:51:54.800 --> 00:51:59.480
everyone was now confronting her, and everyone was saying, you're

900
00:51:59.480 --> 00:52:02.039
doing this, and she's like, I'm not doing this. I

901
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:05.599
am not texting her. So Owen confronted her, as did

902
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:11.159
her own friends. Now Chloe's school experience had become dramatically different,

903
00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.440
and now she was being affected at school as well.

904
00:52:15.119 --> 00:52:20.239
She wasn't having fun either. More texts came through, things

905
00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:24.000
like he wants sex BJ's and making out he don't

906
00:52:24.000 --> 00:52:28.960
want you? Like when would enough be enough? You know

907
00:52:29.679 --> 00:52:33.320
they're broken up? What more do you want? So I

908
00:52:33.360 --> 00:52:35.559
get why the parents were so adamant that the school

909
00:52:35.559 --> 00:52:38.880
should do something, because it's just not stopping. But as

910
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:43.719
it would play out, Chloe's family decided to go on

911
00:52:43.760 --> 00:52:48.039
a vacation to Florida. She went with her family. They

912
00:52:48.039 --> 00:52:50.559
were out of town and they were having a good

913
00:52:50.599 --> 00:52:55.039
time away from the drama at home. But more texts

914
00:52:55.119 --> 00:52:59.599
were sent to both Lauren and Owen. Well, when tracing

915
00:52:59.719 --> 00:53:03.639
down the location or the origination of where those texts,

916
00:53:03.639 --> 00:53:06.960
the area that they came from, wouldn't you know that

917
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:12.800
the number showed that they came from Florida. Yes, exactly

918
00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:17.320
where Chloe was. So Chloe is now under the microscope

919
00:53:17.320 --> 00:53:20.480
more than ever. Here is a fourteen year old girl too.

920
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:24.800
To be put in perspective, here, a fourteen year old

921
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:30.280
girl is basically outsmarting an entire police department. That's wild.

922
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:35.400
And her phone then was confiscated by the police. They

923
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.159
were over it, they were done. They took her phone

924
00:53:38.199 --> 00:53:41.079
and they had it forensically downloaded, which means they dumped

925
00:53:41.119 --> 00:53:43.559
everything from her cell phone and they went through it

926
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:48.239
bit by bit. The police searched it top to bottom

927
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:54.239
and guess what, there was nothing on her phone, nothing sent,

928
00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:58.280
nothing from as far as relation to this. It was normal,

929
00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:01.440
typical teenage girl stuff on that phone. Yet even after

930
00:54:01.480 --> 00:54:05.280
they took her phone, more messages came through to Lauren

931
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:08.480
and Owen. And they were laughing. The messages were the

932
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.760
context of them where that haha. The police took my phone,

933
00:54:12.280 --> 00:54:15.719
there was nothing on it, ha ha, what are you

934
00:54:15.760 --> 00:54:20.559
gonna do now? But also a message came through, but

935
00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:25.679
this time it came through with a picture. The picture

936
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:30.440
was of Chloe and Owen together, like hugging up, like

937
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.480
not anything bad, just like friends with their arms over

938
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:36.800
each other. But this made no sense to police because

939
00:54:37.400 --> 00:54:40.239
she wouldn't set herself up for failure like that, especially

940
00:54:40.320 --> 00:54:44.639
under the scrutiny that she was under. So this was

941
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:48.920
now really looking like a setup of Chloe. She didn't

942
00:54:48.920 --> 00:54:53.079
even have her phone, so she didn't have an extra

943
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:55.320
phone either, so and the messages had continued and then

944
00:54:55.360 --> 00:54:56.840
She's not gonna send a picture of herself, Come on,

945
00:54:56.880 --> 00:55:02.679
get real. So over a thousand pages of messages were

946
00:55:02.719 --> 00:55:08.000
downloaded from Lauren and Owen's phones for this investigation. And

947
00:55:08.320 --> 00:55:12.119
one other message was sent and this one also included

948
00:55:12.159 --> 00:55:15.480
a picture, and this would become important. This picture was

949
00:55:15.519 --> 00:55:19.639
taken at a family Christmas function for Owen's family, and

950
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.599
Owen was in it. You can't really see his face

951
00:55:22.639 --> 00:55:25.000
or anything. All you can see is the couch and

952
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:27.800
the side of his body and he's holding a gift

953
00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:30.079
and then there's some open gifts next to him. There's

954
00:55:30.119 --> 00:55:33.599
like a football and stuff. Well, only family was there

955
00:55:33.599 --> 00:55:36.239
at that function. Whenever the parents were asked, they said no,

956
00:55:36.400 --> 00:55:40.079
only family was here. So the police asked, is there

957
00:55:40.119 --> 00:55:45.880
anyone in the family that's also a student, and incredibly,

958
00:55:45.920 --> 00:55:50.480
the answer was yes. It was Owen's cousin. Her name

959
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.760
was Adriana. And guess what, not only did she go

960
00:55:54.840 --> 00:55:57.880
to school, but she went to school with Owen and Lauren.

961
00:55:59.039 --> 00:56:03.920
She was at their school. So looking into a little

962
00:56:03.920 --> 00:56:06.000
bit of the history, remember how Chloe was kind of

963
00:56:06.000 --> 00:56:11.199
identified as a bully. Well, there was old beef between

964
00:56:11.320 --> 00:56:15.760
Chloe and Adriana, So could this be it? Could this

965
00:56:15.840 --> 00:56:17.800
be part of why there was a setup of Chloe

966
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:20.239
because Adriana was behind all of this. Now, let me

967
00:56:20.280 --> 00:56:22.599
explain Adriana to you, and I mean this with all

968
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:25.000
love in my heart when I tell you this, but

969
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:29.199
Adriana does not have a cool kid vibe at all.

970
00:56:29.840 --> 00:56:32.320
When you get to see her and hear her talk.

971
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:39.480
This is not cool kid confident type personality coming through here.

972
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:45.079
And she absolutely was an outsider to that trio of girls.

973
00:56:45.079 --> 00:56:49.119
The Chloe Sophia and Macy group. She was quiet, She

974
00:56:49.280 --> 00:56:52.760
was definitely not a popular cool kid, and while the

975
00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:59.159
trio of girls would disagree, the less than popular at

976
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.079
the school, they felt like they were targets of trio bullying,

977
00:57:03.679 --> 00:57:06.119
and a lot of kids would kind of agree with that,

978
00:57:06.119 --> 00:57:10.480
that that trio of girls were mean. So Adriana's mom

979
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:14.840
now got pissed. She's like, whoa, you're just going to

980
00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.599
point the finger at my daughter, who's got nothing to

981
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:21.000
do with this. So she did what a lot of

982
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:25.239
us probably want to do, and her mom, Adriana's mom,

983
00:57:25.559 --> 00:57:29.519
she got online and voiced her opinion and she made

984
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:34.519
a generalized post on social media about the situation. But

985
00:57:34.559 --> 00:57:39.480
it blew up. It went big, and so now everybody

986
00:57:39.719 --> 00:57:43.199
turned on Adriana and they were like, you're framing Chloe

987
00:57:43.480 --> 00:57:46.320
and you're over here playing the victim, and you know,

988
00:57:46.719 --> 00:57:48.599
obviously you're the only person who was at Christmas who

989
00:57:48.639 --> 00:57:50.840
could have taken that photo. Blah blah blah blah blah. Well,

990
00:57:50.840 --> 00:57:54.320
when the police questioned Adriana, she like all the other kids,

991
00:57:54.719 --> 00:57:57.199
said hey, I have no answers for you. I don't know,

992
00:57:57.880 --> 00:58:01.360
I haven't done anything. I don't I don't bother anybody.

993
00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.360
I've never been blamed for anything in my life as

994
00:58:05.360 --> 00:58:07.679
far as being a bully or going after people. I'm

995
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:12.239
not a troublemaker. I would never attack somebody. And she

996
00:58:12.440 --> 00:58:16.480
knew that she was now in the limelight and that

997
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:20.239
this was a situation that she knew nothing about. She's like,

998
00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:24.800
I really don't know, and the reality was she didn't.

999
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.239
She was ultimately cleared of any wrongdoing. So how that

1000
00:58:29.360 --> 00:58:33.679
photo came to be was now again a mystery of

1001
00:58:33.719 --> 00:58:38.159
how it was gotten and sent out. So this is crazy.

1002
00:58:38.480 --> 00:58:43.559
While the sheriff was literally standing in Adriana's family's living

1003
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:46.639
room whenever they were trying to like kind of point

1004
00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:48.400
the finger at her and say, we think you might

1005
00:58:48.440 --> 00:58:52.880
be involved in this. He's in their living room, Adriana's

1006
00:58:52.920 --> 00:58:57.880
phone dinged. She looks at it, lo and behold it

1007
00:58:58.039 --> 00:59:03.280
was a message from unknown number and it was the

1008
00:59:03.400 --> 00:59:08.400
harasser telling Adriana, Hey, you need to blame Lauren for

1009
00:59:08.480 --> 00:59:12.239
ruining Owen's life and we need to work together to

1010
00:59:12.320 --> 00:59:17.880
take Lauren down. So Adriana is now terrified. She's a

1011
00:59:18.000 --> 00:59:21.199
very timid type of person. Maybe not timid, but this

1012
00:59:21.280 --> 00:59:22.840
is just not her jam because She's not gonna get

1013
00:59:22.840 --> 00:59:24.920
in the middle of this drama. She's scared. Now, how

1014
00:59:24.920 --> 00:59:27.679
did they get my number? Look, they're texting me. I'm

1015
00:59:27.719 --> 00:59:32.480
not I'm not doing this. So Owen is now getting

1016
00:59:32.519 --> 00:59:37.280
messages all night long, causing his family a very tense

1017
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:41.199
home life. They're fighting left and right. Lauren's parents are

1018
00:59:41.199 --> 00:59:43.679
going through the same thing. They're fighting left and right.

1019
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.639
The stress was just too much. Everyone now was breaking,

1020
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:52.840
even the families. One text that came through said to Lauren,

1021
00:59:53.199 --> 00:59:56.039
no one ever want your anorexic flat ass and tits.

1022
00:59:56.119 --> 01:00:01.559
No dude ever touching that pussy, you pasty slut. Well, Lauren,

1023
01:00:01.800 --> 01:00:05.199
who was just resigned at this point, She's tired. She

1024
01:00:05.400 --> 01:00:10.559
wants it to end. She answered the unknown number and

1025
01:00:10.599 --> 01:00:15.000
she texted back, Okay, you win, you win, I give up.

1026
01:00:15.239 --> 01:00:18.599
Please stop or tell me what I have to do

1027
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:22.400
to make you stop. And that hurt my heart as

1028
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.800
a mama, because that poor baby was just trying to say,

1029
01:00:25.880 --> 01:00:28.599
you win, leave me alone, please, I don't want to

1030
01:00:28.639 --> 01:00:34.679
do this anymore. But more messages came through and it

1031
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:37.400
wasn't telling her what to do, and it wasn't going

1032
01:00:37.480 --> 01:00:41.800
to leave her alone. These said, you don't deserve the

1033
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:45.800
air you breathe. We all fucking hate you, he said,

1034
01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:49.599
he cheated on your ass. I fucking own Owen's dick.

1035
01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:55.840
Cry more, you fucking jealous bitch. Like she wasn't even

1036
01:00:55.920 --> 01:00:59.039
dating this kid anymore. They had moved on from each other,

1037
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:04.519
and she's still getting these sexual harassment messages. So Owen's

1038
01:01:04.559 --> 01:01:08.000
mom goes back up to the school. There's video of

1039
01:01:08.000 --> 01:01:10.960
this in a body cam, and she's crying. At this point,

1040
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.280
she's desperate, she's crying, her head is down. She's like,

1041
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.480
we've got to do something. This is too much, this

1042
01:01:16.519 --> 01:01:20.199
is too much. These are kids. She eventually did take

1043
01:01:20.239 --> 01:01:25.480
away his phone altogether because she looked through it checking it,

1044
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:31.039
and Owen messaged the harasser back also and said, I

1045
01:01:31.159 --> 01:01:33.920
hope you people know that you make me feel suicidal.

1046
01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.480
He said the words I'd rather not be here than

1047
01:01:37.559 --> 01:01:40.159
deal with this anymore. And this threw his poor mama

1048
01:01:40.280 --> 01:01:43.199
over the edge. She was at her breaking point. And

1049
01:01:43.239 --> 01:01:44.880
I know that I've been going on now for what

1050
01:01:44.960 --> 01:01:47.760
an hour telling you about all these messages, and that's

1051
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:49.599
a long time just to tell you about it. This

1052
01:01:49.719 --> 01:01:51.480
kid and all these kids have been dealing with this

1053
01:01:51.559 --> 01:01:56.239
now for way over a year. Okay. So basically the

1054
01:01:56.280 --> 01:01:59.760
local cops are like, look, we're tapped out. We've used

1055
01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:02.000
up all the resources that we have. This is not

1056
01:02:02.079 --> 01:02:03.679
something that we are going to be able to deal with.

1057
01:02:03.920 --> 01:02:10.320
And eighteen months, eighteen months after this all began, the

1058
01:02:10.320 --> 01:02:13.599
sheriff's office in April of twenty twenty two, they reached

1059
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:17.199
out now to the FBI to make this stop and

1060
01:02:17.239 --> 01:02:21.079
to get help. That's how insane it had gotten. The FBI, though,

1061
01:02:21.639 --> 01:02:24.639
took the call and was like, okay, bet we're the FBI, bitch,

1062
01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:30.159
step aside. We got this. So they took Owen's phone,

1063
01:02:30.280 --> 01:02:34.880
did a full extraction of it, messages, pictures, emails, locations,

1064
01:02:34.960 --> 01:02:38.000
everything from that phone, and they didn't learn really anything

1065
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:40.679
from the phone. Owen was an average teenage boy. He

1066
01:02:40.760 --> 01:02:43.960
talked about sports and his friends talked about like hanging out.

1067
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:48.880
There was nothing on that phone beyond that. Owen had

1068
01:02:48.880 --> 01:02:52.039
also moved on from Lauren. They found out he didn't

1069
01:02:52.079 --> 01:02:54.519
hate her or anything. It just wasn't fun anymore. This

1070
01:02:55.360 --> 01:02:58.360
was too traumatic, and he had actually started dating a

1071
01:02:58.400 --> 01:03:00.840
new girl that he met from out of town. They

1072
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:03.679
met at a sporting event out of town. It was

1073
01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:06.480
nice that she was from a distance away because they

1074
01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.639
didn't have anybody in common, they didn't share the same

1075
01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:11.840
friend group, and she was a breath of fresh air.

1076
01:03:11.920 --> 01:03:13.960
It was starting something new. The excitement was there, and

1077
01:03:14.000 --> 01:03:16.400
this was just really good for him. They were still

1078
01:03:16.559 --> 01:03:18.840
just getting to know each other and it was the

1079
01:03:18.880 --> 01:03:22.880
beginnings of a romance. They didn't know each other well,

1080
01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:28.639
but it was a start. Until the new girl's mother

1081
01:03:29.840 --> 01:03:35.599
got a text from an unknown number. These people were

1082
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:40.719
hours away from where Owen lived. They had no common friends,

1083
01:03:41.119 --> 01:03:45.360
no common people, and the girl he's dating's mother gets

1084
01:03:45.400 --> 01:03:50.199
a text messages. So obviously this wasn't good and Owen

1085
01:03:50.320 --> 01:03:53.239
was literally being stalked at this point. It's very clear,

1086
01:03:53.599 --> 01:03:55.199
and I'll save you the drama from all of this.

1087
01:03:55.519 --> 01:03:57.360
He and the new girl broke up really quickly because

1088
01:03:57.400 --> 01:03:59.119
that new mama was like, oh, hell no, and that

1089
01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:00.639
new girl was like, I don't want none of this,

1090
01:04:00.960 --> 01:04:03.400
and that was a wrap. It was over. So Owen

1091
01:04:03.480 --> 01:04:05.840
by now had had enough and he was starting to

1092
01:04:05.880 --> 01:04:11.599
become a very angry and more aggressive in life. He

1093
01:04:11.639 --> 01:04:14.000
was starting to lash out at people where he hadn't before.

1094
01:04:14.159 --> 01:04:17.480
He was becoming more physical, like in sports and not

1095
01:04:17.639 --> 01:04:21.599
in a good way. Necessarily Lauren's parents also, they were

1096
01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:24.800
at each other's throats about this. Dad was yelling at

1097
01:04:24.880 --> 01:04:28.679
mom because Lauren's mom was like, I'm gonna take care

1098
01:04:28.679 --> 01:04:30.960
of this, I'm gonna do something, but she obviously wasn't

1099
01:04:30.960 --> 01:04:33.159
able to handle it, and his baby girl is now

1100
01:04:33.159 --> 01:04:36.519
in the throes of just all out trauma. Well, the

1101
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:39.119
FBI did take this case seriously, like I told you,

1102
01:04:39.159 --> 01:04:43.039
and the FBI started fbiing okay, behind the scenes, and

1103
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:47.559
this included getting real technical, well beyond my pay grade

1104
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:51.880
for sure, but basically their cyber crimes unit was ready

1105
01:04:51.880 --> 01:04:56.320
to handle this once and for all. Basically they were

1106
01:04:56.360 --> 01:04:59.559
able to deduce and figure out that the random numbers

1107
01:04:59.679 --> 01:05:04.280
were being generated as a service by a certain company,

1108
01:05:04.719 --> 01:05:09.159
and through their methods they identified the name of the

1109
01:05:09.280 --> 01:05:14.639
company that was creating these autogenerated numbers as the PingER Company.

1110
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:18.280
So PingER is an app and you can get it

1111
01:05:18.400 --> 01:05:20.440
right through the Apple Store right now, I know because

1112
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:22.360
I went and looked it up. Okay, but you could

1113
01:05:22.360 --> 01:05:27.280
get this through Apple and it has a multitude of uses,

1114
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:32.679
but mainly it attracts users because of its free unlimited

1115
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:36.519
calling and texting. That's what it's promoted for. So some

1116
01:05:36.599 --> 01:05:39.719
of the features also in this app is that you

1117
01:05:39.760 --> 01:05:43.039
can personalize your number, Like if my name was Sarah,

1118
01:05:43.039 --> 01:05:45.159
I can be two two five Sarah, or you know,

1119
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.440
I love you cookies or something. I don't know, that's

1120
01:05:48.480 --> 01:05:50.960
too many letters. But you can customize your number. You

1121
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.599
can change your number as often as you want. You

1122
01:05:53.639 --> 01:05:55.960
don't have to actually have a phone. You can do

1123
01:05:56.000 --> 01:05:58.760
it from an iPad or something like that. But guess

1124
01:05:58.760 --> 01:06:02.760
what else. You can also choose the area code of

1125
01:06:02.840 --> 01:06:05.519
your choice. I don't know, Like if you were trying

1126
01:06:05.559 --> 01:06:07.199
to set up a kid named Chloe who was in

1127
01:06:07.280 --> 01:06:11.360
Florida and put a Florida area code, it had that feature.

1128
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:16.880
So the FBI then subpoenaed PingER, and the numbers that

1129
01:06:16.920 --> 01:06:22.000
were being used were identified as originating from a Verizon customer.

1130
01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:27.320
The only way to id that customer, though, was through

1131
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:32.360
these two IP addresses, like from your computer that utilized

1132
01:06:32.599 --> 01:06:37.559
the random numbers to text. Those IP addresses were then

1133
01:06:37.639 --> 01:06:40.880
registered to a phone number. So I've broken that down

1134
01:06:40.880 --> 01:06:43.039
as simplified as I can, but that's basically how they

1135
01:06:43.079 --> 01:06:46.480
did it. So the FBI agent on the case took

1136
01:06:46.599 --> 01:06:50.639
those numbers that were deduced from the IP addresses and

1137
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:55.079
went and spoke to Owen's mother, and Owen's mom gave

1138
01:06:55.320 --> 01:06:58.519
him a list of all of the contacts in her phone,

1139
01:06:58.559 --> 01:07:02.760
Owen's phone, and they basically were going and manually trying

1140
01:07:02.800 --> 01:07:05.360
to compare and see if any of the numbers matched.

1141
01:07:06.199 --> 01:07:09.440
So she sent all of her possible contacts through and amazingly,

1142
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:17.719
guess what one phone number did match. Twenty months had

1143
01:07:17.800 --> 01:07:22.440
passed at this point, and the FBI when they identified

1144
01:07:22.440 --> 01:07:28.000
this number was really confused. It just didn't make sense

1145
01:07:29.320 --> 01:07:37.559
why because the number that matched was registered to Kendra Lacari,

1146
01:07:38.400 --> 01:07:46.039
Lauren's own mother, the woman who had been fighting beside

1147
01:07:46.079 --> 01:07:49.840
Owen's mother this whole time, the woman who had been

1148
01:07:49.880 --> 01:07:52.719
fighting the school to make it stop, the woman who

1149
01:07:52.800 --> 01:07:56.599
held Lauren as she cried every night about these attacks,

1150
01:07:56.719 --> 01:07:59.159
the woman who helped to look for the culprit in

1151
01:07:59.199 --> 01:08:03.880
the basketball logs. That was the number it came back to.

1152
01:08:05.159 --> 01:08:08.079
So Owen's mom said, it's not her. There's no way

1153
01:08:08.599 --> 01:08:10.719
she's been helping me through all of this. This has

1154
01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.159
got to be a mix up. A new level to

1155
01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:19.520
this story. When the school was told like mind blown,

1156
01:08:20.119 --> 01:08:23.239
They're like, no, that can't be. Kendra has been a

1157
01:08:23.439 --> 01:08:27.319
big time parental supporter for years. She's a helpful mom,

1158
01:08:27.439 --> 01:08:30.159
she's a good mom, an avid volunteer at the school.

1159
01:08:30.279 --> 01:08:35.880
Always that can't be right. The local sheriff, however, sat

1160
01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:40.039
back and started thinking about the past twenty months and

1161
01:08:40.119 --> 01:08:44.720
that Kendra had asked for updates throughout the entire investigation.

1162
01:08:45.199 --> 01:08:49.159
She did, in fact, insert herself quite often, but it

1163
01:08:49.239 --> 01:08:55.680
was just an insane thought to consider. However, you can't

1164
01:08:55.680 --> 01:08:58.000
go in with blinders on things like this, and they

1165
01:08:58.079 --> 01:09:01.760
had a job to do. So the sheriff's office got

1166
01:09:01.760 --> 01:09:05.960
a search warrant for Kendra's phone, and in the bodycam video,

1167
01:09:06.680 --> 01:09:09.560
they pull up to a small, middle class home and

1168
01:09:09.680 --> 01:09:11.880
Kendra comes from the side of the house. She kindly

1169
01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:14.600
greets them, Hey guys, what's going on. She's dressed in

1170
01:09:14.640 --> 01:09:16.359
shorts and a tank top, kind of like she's been

1171
01:09:16.359 --> 01:09:17.920
working in the art or something. They're like, look, we

1172
01:09:17.960 --> 01:09:20.399
need we need to talk to you, okay, and she's like, okay,

1173
01:09:20.439 --> 01:09:22.239
what's up? And they said, let's go inside so we

1174
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:25.920
can talk. And they go inside and then quite frankly,

1175
01:09:26.079 --> 01:09:29.960
just confront her with the findings of the FBI, and

1176
01:09:30.039 --> 01:09:34.600
she's taken by surprise. She kind of sits down in

1177
01:09:34.640 --> 01:09:38.800
a high stool at their bar and she's like what, no, no, what,

1178
01:09:40.439 --> 01:09:44.920
But they keep speaking and talking to her and saying

1179
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:47.199
this is where it came back. I mean, what else

1180
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:51.000
could it be? Kendra, like you know, She's like no, no,

1181
01:09:52.359 --> 01:09:56.640
But the more that they kept speaking, she then says, well,

1182
01:09:56.680 --> 01:10:04.239
it didn't start that way. Wait what did she just

1183
01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:11.720
admit that it's true? Yes, she realized the jig was up.

1184
01:10:12.199 --> 01:10:17.399
She started to panic, and she then immediately shifted her

1185
01:10:17.399 --> 01:10:21.039
focus on her daughter Lauren. Then, all of a sudden,

1186
01:10:21.079 --> 01:10:26.680
when she realizes she's caught, she's worried about her daughter Lauren.

1187
01:10:26.960 --> 01:10:28.880
She won't be able to show her face at school,

1188
01:10:29.239 --> 01:10:35.319
and then she starts feigning this protective mom show, even

1189
01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:40.279
though everything understand this, everything that her daughter has been

1190
01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:45.960
through was because of her. This entire time, her own

1191
01:10:46.680 --> 01:10:53.359
mother was the harasser, the stalker, everything. It was almost unbelievable.

1192
01:10:53.600 --> 01:10:57.159
So they call Lauren inside. Lauren was outside by the

1193
01:10:57.159 --> 01:10:59.239
pool or something in the backyard, and they call her

1194
01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:03.000
inside and they break the news to Lauren of what

1195
01:11:03.199 --> 01:11:06.000
is happening. But I'm gonna tell you, I can tell

1196
01:11:06.239 --> 01:11:08.239
it's not clear to her. I don't think that she

1197
01:11:08.359 --> 01:11:11.840
understood what they were saying, because she was stoic and

1198
01:11:11.920 --> 01:11:15.039
rather flat. She was like, oh, okay, you caught them,

1199
01:11:15.520 --> 01:11:18.960
But them was right next to her. Them was her mom.

1200
01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:21.640
Her mom's hugging on her and kissing her on the head.

1201
01:11:22.159 --> 01:11:24.640
I really don't think she understood in that moment. The

1202
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:27.560
police then say you need to call your husband now.

1203
01:11:28.239 --> 01:11:31.880
So she gets her husband and it's on speakerphone and

1204
01:11:32.119 --> 01:11:34.000
they get on the phone, and the police they're like, look, man,

1205
01:11:34.039 --> 01:11:36.199
we hate to do this, but we found out who

1206
01:11:36.239 --> 01:11:39.479
has been cyberstalking your daughter and her ex boyfriend. He's like, oh, really,

1207
01:11:39.600 --> 01:11:45.000
who who And they're like, brow, it's your wife. And

1208
01:11:46.000 --> 01:11:49.720
you could just hear the wind sucked from his lungs.

1209
01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:52.840
So he jumps in his car and he flies over

1210
01:11:52.880 --> 01:11:55.680
there to the house and he just couldn't understand how

1211
01:11:55.680 --> 01:11:59.239
this could be. And he said something to the effect of,

1212
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:01.399
you know, like, oh my god, this can't be. This

1213
01:12:01.439 --> 01:12:03.319
can't be true. And the police say, look, we got

1214
01:12:03.359 --> 01:12:05.279
a warrant for her phone. We're gonna go through it

1215
01:12:05.640 --> 01:12:08.039
and we'll know for sure. And he looks up and

1216
01:12:08.079 --> 01:12:12.399
he goes, well, which phone he is the one who

1217
01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.199
I did or opened up the idea that she has

1218
01:12:15.279 --> 01:12:19.479
multiple phones. I don't think they realized it. And that's

1219
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:22.560
when he enters the house, this dad, Lauren's dad, and

1220
01:12:22.600 --> 01:12:25.720
his eyes are dead locked on his wife, Kendra, and

1221
01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:29.640
he said, you better start explaining now, And then all

1222
01:12:29.680 --> 01:12:33.199
of a sudden, she's this little, sheepish, sheepish creature, and

1223
01:12:33.239 --> 01:12:38.319
she admits it was her, it was me. But then

1224
01:12:38.520 --> 01:12:42.960
additional bombshells were dropped on this poor man right there

1225
01:12:42.960 --> 01:12:47.079
in the living room. Not only was his wife a

1226
01:12:47.239 --> 01:12:53.720
harassing stalker, but while they're talking, she had told him

1227
01:12:53.720 --> 01:12:56.359
that she quit one of her jobs. She had two jobs,

1228
01:12:57.199 --> 01:13:01.640
and the police are like, no, she was fired. She

1229
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:06.279
was let go from that job. So now Kindrin's like, oh,

1230
01:13:06.399 --> 01:13:09.239
dear in the headlights that he now knows that she

1231
01:13:09.359 --> 01:13:12.520
was fired. Not only that, but she was actually fired

1232
01:13:12.560 --> 01:13:16.960
from both of her jobs. She wasn't even employed over

1233
01:13:17.000 --> 01:13:22.079
the entire last year. She had been faking it, faking

1234
01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:25.600
that she was doing a job on the computer all

1235
01:13:25.720 --> 01:13:29.359
day long, and no one in her family was. They

1236
01:13:29.359 --> 01:13:32.199
were none the wiser that she was lying to them,

1237
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.159
And now it was realized that she was harassing their

1238
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:39.000
daughter and friends all day. No wonder the text for

1239
01:13:39.079 --> 01:13:42.359
coming through constantly and all day and hours of the night.

1240
01:13:43.000 --> 01:13:45.680
It's because that bitch was on the computer, pretending to

1241
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:50.199
have a job and harassing kids for a living. Her

1242
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:54.439
alleged employer, You're gonna love this too. Farris State University,

1243
01:13:55.159 --> 01:14:00.520
they would confirm she was never employed there when she

1244
01:14:00.600 --> 01:14:04.159
said she worked there. Casey Anthony much here. Remember how

1245
01:14:04.199 --> 01:14:06.960
she claimed she worked at Universal and didn't like this

1246
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:11.640
is crazy. She was lying about her income. She wasn't

1247
01:14:11.680 --> 01:14:14.520
paying their family bills. Hell, they lost their entire house

1248
01:14:14.600 --> 01:14:16.800
during all of this, and they lost all of their

1249
01:14:16.840 --> 01:14:19.279
belongings because she was telling her husband that she was

1250
01:14:19.279 --> 01:14:23.640
paying for their storage facility and she never paid one bill.

1251
01:14:23.800 --> 01:14:27.399
So now that all of this was coming out, this

1252
01:14:27.520 --> 01:14:30.600
poor husband and Lauren, the daughter, are like, oh my god,

1253
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.000
we don't even know this woman. She had been handling

1254
01:14:33.039 --> 01:14:36.119
all their finances this past year and they lost everything.

1255
01:14:36.279 --> 01:14:38.720
So Kendra was taken into custody and she was brought

1256
01:14:38.840 --> 01:14:42.640
to jail, but not before crying and hugging her daughter,

1257
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:45.319
saying I can't leave her. I can't leave bitch, you

1258
01:14:45.439 --> 01:14:49.199
did this to her. I'm gonna say it again is sick.

1259
01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:51.399
It's sick that you would even think you could, you

1260
01:14:51.399 --> 01:14:53.600
should be allowed to hug on her after what you've

1261
01:14:53.600 --> 01:14:56.079
put that kid, not to mention other ones. Through this

1262
01:14:56.359 --> 01:15:00.319
entire time, Lauren, by now though, was understanding what she

1263
01:15:00.359 --> 01:15:04.119
was being told, and she was shocked, sad, mad, every

1264
01:15:04.119 --> 01:15:09.439
emotion you can imagine, Like why. The truth through all

1265
01:15:09.479 --> 01:15:13.039
of this was that everything that the stalker, now we

1266
01:15:13.159 --> 01:15:16.239
know her own mother had said over the last two years,

1267
01:15:16.520 --> 01:15:20.520
honed in on everything that that little girl was insecure about,

1268
01:15:20.640 --> 01:15:25.079
and her mother knew it. Her body, her inexperience with boys,

1269
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:29.079
her likability amongst peers, and now to know that it

1270
01:15:29.159 --> 01:15:33.479
was her own mother spewing such hate at her, it

1271
01:15:33.560 --> 01:15:39.119
is the antithesis of what the very word mother stands for.

1272
01:15:39.720 --> 01:15:44.319
A mother's role in the household is to uphold a child,

1273
01:15:44.560 --> 01:15:48.720
to ensure and to develop strength, where a young girl

1274
01:15:49.000 --> 01:15:51.680
often fails to see her value in the moments as

1275
01:15:51.760 --> 01:15:56.359
growing up, that's what a mama does. A mama's job,

1276
01:15:56.479 --> 01:15:59.840
in my opinion, and I'm right, okay, is to stomp

1277
01:15:59.880 --> 01:16:05.000
a mudhole through anyone who dared just tear their daughter down.

1278
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:08.039
Why because we've already lived through it, and we'll be

1279
01:16:08.119 --> 01:16:10.399
damned if we're gonna let somebody else do it to ours.

1280
01:16:11.039 --> 01:16:16.039
You leave our daughters alone. They're young ladies, and now

1281
01:16:16.079 --> 01:16:21.279
to know the very woman Lauren trusted in her vulnerable

1282
01:16:21.319 --> 01:16:25.000
moments was taking that as intel to then turn around

1283
01:16:25.039 --> 01:16:27.479
and try to destroy her with it. This is so

1284
01:16:27.640 --> 01:16:32.279
much darker than I think even the documentary gave. It's

1285
01:16:32.319 --> 01:16:35.039
just dark. And then Owen and his mother were both

1286
01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:38.560
speechless when it was actually confirmed. It was kindre. She

1287
01:16:38.680 --> 01:16:43.920
confessed to it. This had Owen's mother really reflecting on

1288
01:16:43.960 --> 01:16:50.079
the last basically two years, and her thoughts really aligned

1289
01:16:50.119 --> 01:16:53.640
with my own and something that I personally, while I

1290
01:16:53.680 --> 01:16:57.399
was researching this felt from the jump. I don't think

1291
01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:03.079
that any of this was actually about Lauren. I think

1292
01:17:03.159 --> 01:17:07.960
that all of this was about Owen. Kendra would go

1293
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:11.319
out of her way to get a lot of attention

1294
01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:16.000
from that young boy, even after her daughter broke up.

1295
01:17:16.039 --> 01:17:19.479
When Owen and Lauren broke up, Kendra was still going

1296
01:17:19.680 --> 01:17:24.680
to all of Owen's sporting events. Whenever they were dating.

1297
01:17:25.640 --> 01:17:28.560
She would take his food and cut up his food

1298
01:17:28.600 --> 01:17:31.600
for him before giving it to him, waiting on him

1299
01:17:31.680 --> 01:17:38.039
hand and foot and as a grown ass woman. She

1300
01:17:38.119 --> 01:17:42.720
would text him all the time. Now, I'm not saying

1301
01:17:42.720 --> 01:17:44.920
you wouldn't text the boy that your daughter's dating. I'm

1302
01:17:44.920 --> 01:17:46.520
not saying that at all, but not all the time.

1303
01:17:47.159 --> 01:17:50.039
My text would be more like where are you? Y'all?

1304
01:17:50.039 --> 01:17:52.319
Be home on time? You know why, because if you're

1305
01:17:52.319 --> 01:17:55.079
taking my daughter out, then you better recognize that you're

1306
01:17:55.119 --> 01:17:57.279
in charge of bringing her back. And I'm holding you

1307
01:17:57.279 --> 01:17:59.159
to that standard. I'm not just gonna text you how's

1308
01:17:59.199 --> 01:18:02.359
your day? Not gonna just text you what are you doing? Oh? Good?

1309
01:18:02.439 --> 01:18:07.199
You know, just that's weird. And even her own family

1310
01:18:07.720 --> 01:18:13.079
agreed that Kendra was an attention seeker. But me, someone

1311
01:18:13.079 --> 01:18:15.560
who's covered true crime for a long time and studied

1312
01:18:15.560 --> 01:18:17.720
it for a long time, I feel like there were

1313
01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:23.279
sexual overtones to this entire situation. The texts talking about

1314
01:18:23.319 --> 01:18:27.479
having sex and how much he wanted to were part

1315
01:18:27.520 --> 01:18:31.479
of a fantasy that she was living in. I'm telling y'all,

1316
01:18:31.760 --> 01:18:34.199
this was a fantasy she had built up in her head,

1317
01:18:34.439 --> 01:18:36.680
and she was getting to vocalize it and play in

1318
01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:39.680
it like it was real while hiding behind a cell phone.

1319
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:43.239
That's what all of this was. She was stalking Owen

1320
01:18:43.359 --> 01:18:47.199
obviously so deep in this and I'm assuming through social

1321
01:18:47.279 --> 01:18:52.000
media that she found his new girlfriend's family. Think about

1322
01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:56.800
how much you're focusing on this boy. Who would care

1323
01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:01.600
unless the new girl was a threat to Kendra's fake

1324
01:19:01.720 --> 01:19:05.520
relationship with Owen. That's why she was going after the mom.

1325
01:19:06.600 --> 01:19:10.640
I one hundred percent think that this woman was obsessed

1326
01:19:10.680 --> 01:19:14.560
with a teen boy and that she was jealous of

1327
01:19:14.600 --> 01:19:19.319
her own daughter's relationship with this teen boy. Some of

1328
01:19:19.359 --> 01:19:22.720
those texts, let's revisit them now. You're a sweet girl,

1329
01:19:22.760 --> 01:19:24.399
but I know I can give him what he wants.

1330
01:19:24.600 --> 01:19:29.520
We're down to fuck. Her mother sent that, how's the

1331
01:19:29.560 --> 01:19:33.960
happy couple. Her mother sent that, Owen loves me and

1332
01:19:34.000 --> 01:19:36.479
I will always be the one he wants. Not your

1333
01:19:36.640 --> 01:19:41.239
ugly ass. Her mother sent that, you're the ugliest person

1334
01:19:41.319 --> 01:19:47.239
I've ever seen. Her mother sent that to her, fucking

1335
01:19:47.399 --> 01:19:50.239
trash bitch, don't wear leggings. Ain't no one want to

1336
01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:58.079
see your anorexic flat ass kill yourself. Her mother sent

1337
01:19:58.159 --> 01:20:02.880
her that, I want to tell you there's a million

1338
01:20:03.079 --> 01:20:08.960
warning signs of adults that obsess and groom teenagers. But

1339
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:11.119
there's a couple I want to point out while I

1340
01:20:11.159 --> 01:20:17.000
wrap up this episode. Number one excessive interest and attention

1341
01:20:17.760 --> 01:20:24.000
to a teenager by an adult is a problem. If

1342
01:20:24.039 --> 01:20:27.760
it is not your child, then there's no reason for

1343
01:20:27.880 --> 01:20:36.840
frequent calls, texts, social media messages beyond the happy birthday.

1344
01:20:37.520 --> 01:20:43.079
Number two targeting vulnerabilities people who are grooming teens. They

1345
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:49.439
will often prey upon a teens insecurities, their fears, or

1346
01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:54.720
their family issues, and they will position themselves as sympathetic

1347
01:20:55.000 --> 01:20:57.840
and trusted confidants. And I want to tell you the

1348
01:20:57.840 --> 01:21:01.119
twist on this one. She wasn't doing that necessarily to Owen.

1349
01:21:02.399 --> 01:21:05.359
She was doing it to her own daughter to gain

1350
01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:09.960
intel for Owen, like not for him to use, but

1351
01:21:10.000 --> 01:21:12.640
for her to use against her own daughter so she

1352
01:21:12.760 --> 01:21:18.159
could focus more on Owen and then isolating the teen.

1353
01:21:18.600 --> 01:21:22.760
Anytime an adult encourages eighteen to pull away from their family,

1354
01:21:23.039 --> 01:21:28.880
their friends, or any other positive support relationship, they'll often

1355
01:21:28.960 --> 01:21:34.039
start fostering this us versus them mentality that's common in groomers.

1356
01:21:34.199 --> 01:21:36.319
And I want to tell you something that seemed very

1357
01:21:36.359 --> 01:21:40.560
poignant to me. Whenever the message is shifted to saying

1358
01:21:40.800 --> 01:21:44.800
we in them, things like you know we want you gone,

1359
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:48.960
we know he wants me. I'm telling you it's convoluted

1360
01:21:49.119 --> 01:21:50.920
and it was weird because in my own mind, I'm like,

1361
01:21:51.000 --> 01:21:54.560
is this Munchausen by IP like IP address instead of

1362
01:21:54.600 --> 01:21:57.920
Munchausen by proxy? It's like Munchausen by IP. It's weird.

1363
01:21:58.279 --> 01:22:01.680
The words that this woman used not only to her

1364
01:22:01.680 --> 01:22:05.039
own daughter but to someone else's teenagers, it's just vile.

1365
01:22:05.880 --> 01:22:10.119
So what did Kendra explain about what happened? When she

1366
01:22:10.279 --> 01:22:15.119
was asked what happened here, she says, let me give

1367
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:18.079
some backstory. He real quick. She claims that this all

1368
01:22:18.119 --> 01:22:20.640
started because she wanted to get to the bottom of

1369
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:25.119
who was actually sending those original messages. She says it

1370
01:22:25.159 --> 01:22:28.640
wasn't her. She didn't actually send the original messages. She

1371
01:22:28.800 --> 01:22:31.439
thought that maybe they would answer back and say something

1372
01:22:31.439 --> 01:22:33.960
that would help her figure it out, but then she

1373
01:22:34.119 --> 01:22:38.359
just had to continue on with it. Of course. She

1374
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:41.479
then also adds on that that she was supposedly raped

1375
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:44.760
at seventeen and had a hard yat life, and YadA, YadA, YadA,

1376
01:22:44.800 --> 01:22:47.520
YadA YadA. I'm gonna tell you now, I'm calling bullshit

1377
01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:50.640
on that woman from the start. When her mouth opens,

1378
01:22:50.800 --> 01:22:55.159
she is lying. She absolutely started all of those messages

1379
01:22:55.439 --> 01:22:58.560
one hundred percent, and she is trying to minimize her

1380
01:22:58.600 --> 01:23:01.920
involvement from the jump, while trying to also gain sympathy

1381
01:23:01.960 --> 01:23:04.640
because there's plenty of rape victims out there that don't

1382
01:23:04.640 --> 01:23:08.960
go out hurting other people. Rape victimology that is fake

1383
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:14.359
is disgusting. You should be ashamed of yourself, ma'am. You

1384
01:23:14.399 --> 01:23:20.199
should be absolutely wholeheartedly ashamed of who you are. That

1385
01:23:20.359 --> 01:23:24.159
is unbelievable that you would traumatize your own daughter, you

1386
01:23:24.199 --> 01:23:27.359
would traumatize other people's children. You would set up another

1387
01:23:27.439 --> 01:23:30.760
teenager from another state on vacation. You would let people

1388
01:23:30.800 --> 01:23:33.119
point the finger at a kid that had nothing to

1389
01:23:33.199 --> 01:23:35.239
do with this, and then you're gonna turn around and

1390
01:23:35.239 --> 01:23:39.359
say that being a rape victim somehow explains this away.

1391
01:23:39.720 --> 01:23:46.720
Get the fuck out of here. You're disgusting, regardless of

1392
01:23:46.760 --> 01:23:51.159
whatever bullshit she brought up. She would eventually plead guilty

1393
01:23:51.479 --> 01:23:54.079
to two counts of stalking a minor in April of

1394
01:23:54.119 --> 01:23:57.680
twenty twenty three, and she was sentenced to nineteen months

1395
01:23:57.720 --> 01:23:59.680
for her crimes, which I would like to point out

1396
01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:03.840
is less time than she spent harassing the kids. There

1397
01:24:03.880 --> 01:24:06.800
was a no contact order placed by the judge. He says,

1398
01:24:06.840 --> 01:24:09.000
you're not going to be in contact with your daughter either.

1399
01:24:10.199 --> 01:24:12.319
I agree with that. I think that she is very

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bad for her own daughter, and that is sad to say,

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but it's true. And I'll let you know that she

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has since served all of her time and she has

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been released, but she will remain on supervised release until

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February of twenty twenty six. So look, I can tell

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you this. If you've made it this far in the episode,

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if you think you are failing at parenting, you're not.

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This episode is an actual parental fail and what it

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looks like if you were curious. The courts always seem

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to keep kids with terrible parents with those parents. Yet

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this court took your teenager away from you, ma'am. So congrats, Kendra,

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you just won the gold medal of being terrible at

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the one job you are biologically wired to do. Because,

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let's face it, babe, you can say whatever you want,

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but nothing screams stable adult like competing with your own

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daughter for the attention of a boy who requires a

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hall pass to use the bathroom. Warning unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised