June 25, 2026

Crime Wire Weekly 6/26/26 | Pastor’s Highway Beatdown, Bobbitt 33 Years Later, Planet Fitness Trainer Update

Crime Wire Weekly 6/26/26 | Pastor’s Highway Beatdown, Bobbitt 33 Years Later, Planet Fitness Trainer Update
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Season 10

In today’s episode KJ and Jim bring you the week’s trending crime related headlines. Check out the below for all the topics of the headlines we are covering today!
#truecrime #breakingnews #crime #news #podcast #tonyspell #jadarius minnieweather #PlanetFitness


Timestamps
03:00 Louisiana Pastor Tony Spell’s Beatdown.
11:00 Louisiana Man Re-Arrested and Charged With Murder of Missing 15 Year Old.
19:00 Arby’s Manager Gives Customer Herpes.
23:00Utah Woman Shoots Ex-Husband at Indoor Playground
27::00 Planet Fitness Personal Trainer Mystery Gets Deeper. *UPDATE*
34:00 International Indiscretions: Man Throws 3 year Old Into Croc Enclosure.
40:00 True Crime Time Machine: Lorena Bobbitt Case 33 Years Later.
45:00 88 Year Old Kills 3rd Girlfriend in 50 Years.
50:00 Lustful Lawbreakers: Cop Caught Having Sex In Patrol Car.
55:00 Nightmare Ex-Husband Stalks Wife to the Point of Killing Her.

Overtime
1:01:00 The “Scattered Dutchman”
1:05:00 Wal-Mart Cashier Arrested After Hiding Lottery Ticket Receipt.
1:10:00 Former NFL Player’s Home Contained Body Buried In Backyard.
1:15:00 18 Vehicle Burglaries Later-A Louisiana Suspect Is Arrested.

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All right, folks, a look at what we're covering today.

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In Oklahoma, and Arby's manager is charged with felony poisoning

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after spitting in a customer's food and giving them herbies.

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In Louisiana, a pastor is arrested after a fight with

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his neighbor. But maybe there's more to this one. We're

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going to talk about it. Also in Louisiana, a man

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is rearrested in charge with first degree murder in the

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death of a missing fifteen year old. We've got all

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the up to the minute details on that. We're going

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to take a ride on the True Crime time machine

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this week and revisit the Loreina Bobbit case.

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I'm very familiar with that case.

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That's right, And I'm pretty sure every man in America

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over the age of forty just crunch and I said that,

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and you taw. A woman is charged with attemptive murder

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after shooting your ex husband in an indoor playground in

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front of dozens of witnesses, including your own children.

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That's the right thing to do, right.

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We have an update on the Missing Planet fitness trainer

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that we brought you, I believe on the last episode.

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An eighty eight year old man has sentenced to life

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in prison for the murder and dismemberment of his third girlfriend,

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this after his two other girlfriends were killed. You're not

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going to believe this story?

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Oh wow, tell me, you know, just tell me that

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something is not going right before three people have to

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be murdered, Like, what are we doing here?

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Well, we're going to talk about it. And we also

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got segments including lustful Lawbreakers, international indiscretions, all of that

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today on Crimewire Weekly. I am Jim Chapman.

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And I'm Kelly Jennings.

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All Right, Kelly, we have a lot of news to today,

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so I think we should just jump right into it

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and one of you know, the headlines not only locally

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but all over the country, are right, I would say

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about five minutes ten minutes from where we record in

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central Louisiana, and we're going to tell you about prominent

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Louisiana pastor Tony Spell, who was arrested this past Tuesday

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on a charge of second degree battery after authorities say

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he attacked a twenty year old man during a confrontation.

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This was captured on surveillance video. Now, according to ebr

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Paaris Sheriff's Office. The incident a card around eleven am

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on June twenty third, near Hooper Road in Central close

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to the Life Tabernacle Church, where Spell serves as a pastor. Now,

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Spell is a longtime leader of the church. He was

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taken into custody and booked into the parish prison on

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one count of second degree battery, which is a felony.

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He was later released after posting bombs Now. This arrest

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stems from a physical altercation between Spell and the son

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of a neighbor with whom the pastor has had an

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ongoing feud with that has been going on since COVID y'all.

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This victim, identified in reports as Scott Sherwin's son, was

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reportedly visiting his grandmother when this confrontation occurred. Now, according

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to the Sheriff's office, the victim told deputies he was

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in front of his home when he saw Spell across

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the street at the church. The young man said he

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yelled out fuck you to Spell and that was it. Okay,

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that was it. However, Spell then crossed the road onto

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the property and allegedly beat him. Now Spell's account of

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this is a little bit different. He says that the

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kid screamed across the road that he was going to

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rape his wife, rape his grandchildren and his daughter, and

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he was also going to kill them when Spell went

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out of town. And this is supposedly why Spell cross

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that road. According to Spell, Now, I saw the full

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surveillance video, and what I saw was the pastor crossing

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the street, this twenty year old kicking off his shoes

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and punching Spell three times before Spell even through the

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first punch, and then the pastor pretty much whipping this

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twenty year old's ass UFC style even apply to net

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crank y'all, which is a UFC move. So the church

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in this neighboring family, they've been involved in these disputes

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since at least twenty twenty. There's lawsuits over surveillance cameras

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and other neighborhood conflicts. And in a brief statement after

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his release, Spell toll reporters the truth will come out

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in court now. Second degree battery in Louisiana carries a

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potential penalty of five years in prison and a fine

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up to two thousand dollars, and Spell this isn't his

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first time gaining national attention. During COVID nineteen, he was

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actually the first church in the state of Louisiana. I

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don't know if he was saying only one of the

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first one or what, but defied state gathering restrictions at

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his church. Uh, and he is not yet entered a

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plea in this case. The East Batman each pair of

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Sheriff's office confirmed the arrest, but they did say that

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the investigation is ongoing.

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Yeah, so if you're not from here, then uh, you

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probably we're more familiar. I think with that that there's

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ongoing bickering back and forth between that's been going on

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for a long time. This is gonna make salacious headlines

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because A one's you know, he's a pastor, and b

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he went over there and they're going to say that

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he he just beat up this guy. But we all

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have to we got to start from the from the

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jump here. And I don't claim to know every conversation

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or argument or dispute that's gone on between this pastor

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and these neighbors, but it's been pretty clear for a

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long time that the neighbors have been agitators of the church.

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From what I understand, this is allegedly, Yeah, this is

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allegedly because obviously I was not there, but it seems

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to be the mumblings amongst people here that that's been

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going on for a long time. So they're framing this like, oh,

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this young guy is just visiting his grandmother, like this

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is some kind of wholesome thing. But if you watch

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the parts of the video that I've seen, he's out front,

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he's got his cell phone up, and he's obviously yelling

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something to get the attention of the pastor, and he

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is antagonizing this pastor. And it's real easy, I think,

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to jump right now and say, oh my god, what

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kind of pastor goes and throws a punch. Well, I'm

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gonna tell you the kind that does, the kind that's

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not playing behind his family anymore. And I'm more inclined

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to believe this pastor on what was yelled out, even

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if it was just fuck you. Why are you doing that?

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Why are you doing that? Why are you out in

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your front yard holding up a cell phone trying to

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agitate someone and then acting all shocked and bothered in

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a wounded bird when a pastor comes over and whips

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your ass. You know, I think, should we hit one another?

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We all know you shouldn't do that, But then again,

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there's a limit that any man worth his salt is

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gonna take, and especially when it comes to his children,

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his grandchildren and his wife. And so again, good bad

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are indifferent. I am not mad at the pastor right

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now based on things that I have personally, you know,

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been told, heard and mumblings over the last few years.

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Yeah, and you know, I'll say this number one, if

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the allegations that Tommy Spell are saying are true in

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this in this kid was saying the things that he's said.

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This kid was saying, anybody's gonna whip his ass. Yeah, anybody.

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He deserved an ass whipping. But you know what, I

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have seen video of past things that this the Sherwins

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have done. Uh, I've seen it on video. I've seen

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the father grabbing his nutsack for lack of a better term,

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when somebody was filming him. I've seen him flipping the

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bird when somebody was filming him. Uh. You know, the

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apple don't fall far from the tree, right, And so

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that doesn't surprise me the way this kid was acting.

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But if you're yelling those things, every action has a reaction.

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And Tony Spell, though he's a pastor, is also a

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human he's not God. Okay, he's trying to be godly,

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but every man has a limit. And this kid passed

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the limit with this pastor apparently, and this twenty year

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old and I call him a kid, he's twenty years

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and he's not a kid. He got his ass whip.

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And that's exactly what you should expect when you tell

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someone allegedly that you're going to rape their wives and

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kids and kill them and things like that. Because I

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promise you across me like that, I'm probably gonna beat

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you up a little worse than Tony did. Tony showed

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you a little favor he gave.

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You know, I'm very very hard pressed to believe that

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all that guy yelled out was FU and that pastor

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came across that highway the way that he did.

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Yeah, I'm saying, I'm sorry, I'm not going to believe

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a twenty year old kid over the pastor.

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But even if he wasn't a pastor, like, even if

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it was just man to man, I have a very

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very hard time what was man to man? You know

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what I'm trying to say, Even if that title wasn't there,

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I'm very hard pressed when you watch the body language

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of how he came across that highway to believe that

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was in response to f you like, give me a break.

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And you see these comments online and these people are

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saying things like, well, he's a pastor and they're not

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supposed to do that. The people are human, man ain't

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nobody out here. Jesus Christ. There's only one Jesus Christ.

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That's the only one above approach to the point that

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you can pretty much do anything to him and they

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can be who they are, and that's Jesus. And if

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you know the New Testament, then you know what I'm

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talking about. But Tommy Spell is not Jesus. And he'd

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be the first to say that. And he has a limit. Look,

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and this kid cross the limit. He probably need his ass.

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Sometimes you have to lay hands on people to pray

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for them.

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I got no problem with it.

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I am mad either.

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To be honest with you, I think that you got

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what was coming to you. If that's the things you

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were saying.

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Yeah, and if you don't want to get your ass beat,

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shut up.

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Yeah, how's that? Put your flip flops back on? Kick

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this flip flops off like he's a UFC champion and

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took three swings on a nearly fifty year old man

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and he found out real quick, tore up real quick.

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Yeah all right, So we're gonna just go a little

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bit further down the road and we're gonna go to

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Baton Rouge. So just one perish over. But a fifty

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one year old man has been re arrested and charged

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with first degree murder in connection with the death of

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fifteen year old Jadarius Miniweather, who has been missing since

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early June. Maurice Palms was taken into custody on June

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twentieth after investigators executed multiple search warrants at his residence,

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and he was booked into the jail or the prison

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rather on one count of first degree murder now. Jadarius

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mini Weather was last seen in the early morning hours

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of June the fifth, and according to investigators, the teenager

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had gone to visit a sixteen year old girl that

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he knew, and police say a confrontation occurred between many

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Weather and Palms at that location. Surveillance video obtained during

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the investigation reportedly shows a violent altercation and subsequent efforts

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to dispose of evidence, including a child's bicycle, clothing, and

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other items. Investigators also reported finding bloodstains at the scene

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and evidence of blood being cleaned from a vehicle. So

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Palms initially told investigators that he left the area before

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eleven pm on June fourth and did not leave his

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home the following morning, but police say that video evidence

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contradicted that statement. Now specifically, the warrant said quote, Detectives

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believe that many Weather was caught in a confrontation with

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Palms where he was killed. In the struggle, It's believed

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that Palms stashed the body and he threw away evidence,

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came back to Teve evidence and possibly the victim's body,

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and transported them elsewhere in his mentioned vehicle. He's charged

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with first degree murder due to the high amount of

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planning cover up and the fact that he was in

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the process of second degree cruelty to a juvenile during

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the beating when he is believed to have been killed.

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So on June thirteenth, he was arrested and charged on

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with indecent behavior with a juvenile and computer aided solicitation

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of a minor after investigators discovered messages between him and

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a sixteen year old girl, which is the same girl

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that Judarius was going to visit. So he posted a

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seventy five hundred dollars bond, and he was released before

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being rearrested the following week. Following the execution of search

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warrants at palms home on June twentieth and the twenty first,

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investigators say that they were able to recover additional evidence

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and Palms was subsequently charged with the first degree murder.

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the killing involved this planning and cover up and occurred

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during that cruelty to the juveni Now. During a press conference,

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Baton Rouge Police Chief TJ. Moore said that all evidence

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points to a violent attack that resulted in many Weather's death.

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As of this recording rate that we're doing right now,

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the victim's body has not been located. On June twenty second,

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the East Baton Rouge Parish Commissioner Corey Tozan denied bond

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for Palms during his first appearance, and the investigation remains active,

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with searches continuing in multiple locations, including areas in West Feliciana.

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Parish Mayor President said Edwards has urged the community to

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come forward with any information and said that authorities are

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determined to find the teenager. So anyone with information is

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asked to call crime stoppers. You know that number here,

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it's three four to four stop.

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Two two vibe area code. So if you're out of

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the area and you're hearing this and you know something,

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heard something, say something, you can remain anonymous. And they

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do offer. I believe it's a ten thousand dollars reward

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for information leading to the conviction of someone completely anonymous.

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You out there and you're listening and you know something,

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noboddy If you don't, I must say this, somebody probably

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knows something. It's very rare in cases that people don't

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run their mouth. Now, in this situation, this guy didn't

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have a whole lot of time to run his mouth

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to a friend, or drink a little bit too much

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Old English eight ball or whatever and mouth off to

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a friend. Horrible, tragic situation. Heart goes out to the

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family of this of this kid. And I've had people

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ask me, you know, why does he he just why

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don't they make him tell where that body is? And

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I'm like, what, Unfortunately, in our law, you have the

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right to remain silent and nobody can force him to

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do that. Sadly, I'd love to hook him up to

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a you know, some sort of machine and torture and

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saying it as much as I hate to say that

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this guy's a you know, if he did these things

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is a piece of shit. And uh, but we live

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in a country where you can't that you have a

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right to remain silent. And Kelly made a good point

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earlier in that he's thinking, if they don't have a body,

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it's gonna be hard to convict me. Is that true

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or false?

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Yeah, I mean that's that's common nobody no case, but

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they obviously have enough here that they believe that that

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a jury will come to the same conclusion that the

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child is dead. I mean, no one's heard from him,

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no one's seen him, and so he's got to be somewhere.

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And the last altercation was you beaten this child and

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the fact that he's already a predator allegedly right because

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he's he's contacting this teenage girl. He's you know, meeting

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up with this teenage girl. And I'm wondering if that

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girl maybe was either frustrated or aggravated with this guy

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and the contact, and so Jadarius.

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You know, well it's something taking up for her.

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Yeah, of that nature. It didn't get it doesn't give

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a whole lot of detail. And I understand that this

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is very early, yeah, and this investigation, and you certainly

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don't want to show your cards to a defense team

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or anything else. He's already lawyered up obviously because he's

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not talking. But I would I would say I have

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a good feeling they're gonna find this body. They're working

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very hard. I mean they're searching like thousands of acres.

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I know United Cajun Navy has been helping a little

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bit with the search. Uh, this is Feliciana Parish where

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they're really digging into this west Falliciana and that is

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a big area with a lot of just open space.

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Right trees, and yeah, it's it's a difficult search.

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It's not like you're searching a field. This is a

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lot of woods and a lot of area that is

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not inhabited. And so it's gonna take it could possibly

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take a while.

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Yeah, because I mean even if you shot like heat

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flear or something. I mean, he's deceased, so it's not

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gonna eat you can't.

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He's buried.

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Yeah, And if he's buried, you're not gonna be able

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to find it. So I'm hoping maybe just maybe the

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vehicle that he used, maybe that had some type of

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system in it that could possibly maybe GP yes that

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maybe a cell phone. They could get into a generalized

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area of where he traveled to, is what I'm getting at,

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because he couldn't have gotten far based on the.

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Crazy thing is he You know, according to police, he

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killed him and then left him wherever he was, and

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then went back and got him and then buried him,

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which is, uh, you usually don't see that. Usually by

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that time they're panicked to the point that they don't

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go back. So pretty pretty nervy. What that got it?

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I guess he figured I don't want to drive around

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with a body. I gotta go get what I need

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to bury him or whatever. And then, as horrible as

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a sound, I can't I'm talking about a kid right now,

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which is terrible. But yeah, I hope they find him.

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I hope they find him soon. His family, you know,

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his family needs this. We need to get him back.

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Right, All right, let's go to Oklahoma. Okay, and Kelly,

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do you like Arby's No? I do. I'm a fan of.

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Yeah, but what's their tagline?

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I don't know.

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We have the mutes, and I don't like meat.

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Oh okay, you don't like meat. You don't like steak.

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I do, but not like I like like rare, like lunch.

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Meat, not really like groast beef and stuff like. Oh

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okayd of I didn't know that.

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You've never made me a sandwich either, so why would you?

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All right, well, we're gonna go to Arby's, one of

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one of my favorite places to eat, but maybe not

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anymore after a former manager at Arby's restaurant This Is

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in southeastern Oklahoma, has been charged with felony poisoning with

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intent to injure after police say surveillance video showed her

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spitting into a customer's food order. A mana Hendrix, who

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worked at the Broken Bow location, is accused of contaminating

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sandwiches ordered by a local bartender by the name of

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Janica Church. Church later claimed she had developed symptoms and

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was diagnosed with HSV DASH one and for those layman's

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out there, that is oral herpies as a result the investigation,

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Oh that's the gross. The investigation began after another Arby's

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employee reported that a worker had spit into a customer's

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meal shout out to that employee.

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Yeah.

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Brooken Bow police obtained a search want for the restaurant's

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surveillance footage and reviewed video from that night. The footage

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showed Hendricks handling meat for a sandwich, lowering her head

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towards the food, and saliva visibly falling onto it. Authorities

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alleged Church had gone through the drive through late at

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night after finishing a bartending shift, and she told reporters

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it seemed like the order took a little bit longer

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than usual. Quote. I thought they were mad at me

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because they were about to close there. It is in

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the tight nique community of Brooke and Bow. Of course,

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this word spreads very quickly. Church said she had a

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little history with Hendrix. They had known each other, but

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nothing major. Her daughter reportedly heard Hendrix bragging to others

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about spitting in Church's food, a claim that helped the

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family connect the timeline to Church's subsequent diagnosis. Hendrix was

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contacted by police, interviewed, and has since been fired. As

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you would imagine from the restaurant, A warrant was issued

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for her arrest on felony charges for this this is serious.

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The incident devastated the church family. Her mother in law

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described fear and the emotional toll of dealing with this,

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and several family members, including church, have filed a lawsuit

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against Hendricks, RBS and affiliated entities. So HSV one HERPS

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is a common virus typically spread through saliva or direct contact.

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So if you're making out with someone that has herpes,

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you're gonna get the herps. It can be transmitted even

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without visible symptoms. And I was surprised to learn there's

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no cure for it. I was surprised to learn that's

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a pretty old disease not to have a cure.

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Well, what they do is they have the antivirals.

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That's right, that's right. There are any viral medications that

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can help manage outbreaks. But you can still give it

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to other people. The criminal case remains penning, and Hendricks

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faces a serious felony charge of poisoning with intent to injure.

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No additional infections among family members who shared the food

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have been publicly reported.

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Yeah, but you know that does she said mother in law,

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So she must have a husband or a spouse, and

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so think about how this could be very problematic for

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him or her.

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Yeah, I mean it's it's a big deal. I mean,

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this is there is no cure for it. So now

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you know everybody's gonna get the herbs. Yeah it, well

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the kisses you or you spin on them.

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What a pr nightmare for RB's first of all. But

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second of all, I started thinking about this too, like

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what if there's little babies and she's been kissing all

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over these little babies? You know, you know, like this

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could this is much bigger then I think. It Initially

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would sound like someone spitting in your food is disgusting,

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and then you start the transmission of an incurable disease.

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You crossed too many lines here, way too many lines here,

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and I think they should throw the absolute book at her.

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Well it's a felony, Yeah, it should be.

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It's a good start.

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It should be because you know, one of the main ways,

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like in prison, for example, food is very serious because

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that's how you can control a population. If if they

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could contaminate your food, then you know, you can mess

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a lot of people up. So like when I was

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in the prison, we would have to do medical screening

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before inmates were allowed to work in the prison because

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we didn't want them to have any communicable diseases that

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they could potentially pass on to the you know, to

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the population through the food. I mean, we take that

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much care, you know, behind bars to make sure people

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don't spread disease, and then this bitch is out here

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spitting in food and spreading disease. You're gross, You're wrong,

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and I hope they throw the book at you. A right,

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let's go to Utah. We got a thirty four year

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old Utah woman who has been charged with a tempted

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murder after allegedly shooting her ex husband in an indoor

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playground in front of their young children, amongst the other

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people that were there as well. Sarah Elias was arrested

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following the shooting of her ex husband, Matthew Daniel Elias

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at Kids Empire, which is an indoor playground. She's been

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charged with one count of attempted murder and four counts

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of committing domestic violence in the presence of a child.

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Sarah and Matthew were married in twenty twenty and they

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divorced in twenty twenty four, which is mind blowing. Four

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years is all they were married and it has already

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gone to attempted murder like damn so. Court records show

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that They cited irreconcilable differences, say that fifteen times a

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Sarah was awarded primary custody of their two children. They're

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really young, they're three and five. So, according to investigators,

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Matthew had been attempting to exercise visitation rights for several

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months but had been denied access to the children. On

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May twenty second, Matthew Elias arrived at the playground to

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pick up his daughters, and, according to witnesses and statements

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from employees too, Sarah Elias appeared agitated. She took a

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phone call, and she paced back and forth while she

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was looking out of the windows, and provided staff with

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the children's information and address, stating it was quote in

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case something happens end quote. Employees reported that she smiled

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and said showtime before going outside to meet her ex husband.

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The two then began arguing. Matthew Elias then entered the

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business and told the police that Sarah had threatened to

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shoot him and asked them to call police. Sarah Elias

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followed him inside and allegedly shot him twice at point

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blank range, striking him in the chest and the pelvis.

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An employee quickly took the children outside to safety. Matthew

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Olias was transported to a hospital in critical condition. Witnesses

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said Sarah Elias exited the building a few minutes later,

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appeared calm and approached the children, telling them, quote, daddy

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has issues end quote. Sarah was arrested at the scene.

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She had reportedly purchased the firearm using the shooting just

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one week earlier, and she was formally charged in district

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court on June third, and she is being held with outbond.

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I mean, that's that is a crazy story. Not only

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you know, we cover a lot of stories where a

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woman shoots her ex husband and all that, and that's

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unfortunately not out of the ordinary in these days and times.

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But you do it not only pretty much in front

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of your kids, but you do it in front of everybody.

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Like this occurs in broad daylight at a indoor playground.

465
00:25:25.119 --> 00:25:27.359
It's like there's no limits anymore with what these people

466
00:25:27.400 --> 00:25:27.759
will do.

467
00:25:28.599 --> 00:25:31.920
She clearly was setting up.

468
00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:34.200
And then you're gonna walk in and say, daddy got

469
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:35.519
an issue.

470
00:25:35.400 --> 00:25:38.799
Yeah, you are the issue. You are the issue, daddy. Yes,

471
00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:41.680
Well then, but when she first goes in there and

472
00:25:41.720 --> 00:25:45.279
tells them the children's address and information, that is that

473
00:25:45.359 --> 00:25:48.440
was very odd to me, But it just really plays

474
00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:49.960
into the fact that I think she knew she would

475
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.599
be arrested. She plans on putting up a self defense

476
00:25:52.640 --> 00:25:58.039
claim and which obviously it's not. But she's gonna claim

477
00:25:58.079 --> 00:26:00.119
abuse for some bullshit. We can wait till that play.

478
00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:03.039
But she wanted her kids to be taken. You know,

479
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:07.519
I guess safely somewhere. But you were willing to pull

480
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:10.440
a gun and just shoot into a building full of assuming,

481
00:26:10.559 --> 00:26:14.000
full of other children, without any care of where those

482
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:16.599
bullets went, if you missed, if you would have hit

483
00:26:16.640 --> 00:26:20.559
somebody else. Your nuts? Yeah, your nuts. And hey, I'm

484
00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:25.240
glad he divorced you because clearly you're not good material

485
00:26:25.240 --> 00:26:25.920
here for a wife.

486
00:26:26.119 --> 00:26:29.599
Uh, I would say not, there's probably that's probably the

487
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:30.640
reason they divorced her.

488
00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:33.559
She's crazy, she's batshit crazy. Your honor respectfully.

489
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.920
All right, let's go to South Carolina, and I've got

490
00:26:37.960 --> 00:26:42.519
an update on the South Carolina fitness trainer Elena Moore.

491
00:26:42.720 --> 00:26:47.000
Her body has now been found. In our last episode,

492
00:26:47.079 --> 00:26:50.440
we told you about her vanishing after leaving a Planet

493
00:26:50.440 --> 00:26:55.079
Fitness Jim in Lexington, South Carolina. This was on June

494
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:59.880
eleventh of twenty twenty six. Her body has been identified

495
00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.559
and found, but the cause of death remains undetermined. Following

496
00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:08.400
a preliminary autopsy that found no signs of traumatic injury,

497
00:27:08.559 --> 00:27:13.640
Moore's remains were discovered June seventeenth in a heavily wooded area.

498
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.720
This was roughly about a mile to two miles from

499
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:20.839
the gym she had been reported missing from the day

500
00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:25.920
she was last seen her husband. I'll get to that

501
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:27.880
in a minute. First, let me tell you more. A

502
00:27:27.920 --> 00:27:32.759
personal trainer at Wolf's Fitness regularly visited the Planet Fitness

503
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:36.079
signed in at that gym at six point forty on Thursday,

504
00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.440
June eleventh, and then it showed her walking away from

505
00:27:39.440 --> 00:27:42.880
the facility, which I found very strange, toward a wooded

506
00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:47.920
area behind a nearby Low's Improvement store. Additional footage captured

507
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:51.240
her walking through the parking lot of the Publix about

508
00:27:51.359 --> 00:27:56.200
three hours later. Now her husband, Brandon Slice, reported her

509
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.240
missing on June twelfth. The next day, an extent of

510
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:05.319
ground search involved Lexington Bleaze fire personnel and volunteers followed,

511
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:08.839
and authorities focused on a wooded area. They kind of

512
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:12.240
did a perimeter, if you will, and on June seventeenth,

513
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.880
approximately two forty eight pm, searchers did locate a body

514
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:21.039
wearing clothing that match More's description. The Lexington County Corner's

515
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:25.200
Office positively identified the body as More, and the remains

516
00:28:25.200 --> 00:28:30.000
were transferred to a medical university for an autopsy. The

517
00:28:30.119 --> 00:28:34.519
coroner released preliminary findings on June twenty second, stating the

518
00:28:34.599 --> 00:28:38.599
autopsy did not identify an immediate cause of death. The

519
00:28:38.680 --> 00:28:44.599
examination revealed no bruising, no lacerations, no gunshot wounds, no

520
00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:49.839
stab wounds, no blunt force trauma, no strangulation, no external

521
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:56.759
injuries whatsoever. Further testing, including toxicology screening and a review

522
00:28:56.759 --> 00:28:59.599
of her medical records, is ongoing. In a full cause

523
00:28:59.640 --> 00:29:02.559
of death, the determination is pending, but of course that

524
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:07.359
takes additional time. The Lexington Police Department requested that SLED,

525
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:10.240
which if you've listened to the Murderall series that I

526
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:15.000
put out, that's South Carolina's Law Enforcement Division. They assisted

527
00:29:15.119 --> 00:29:19.440
with that death investigation. As of this update, there are

528
00:29:19.480 --> 00:29:21.559
no arrests that have been made and no one has

529
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:26.359
been charged. Moore's husband has not been made a person

530
00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.119
of interest or named one, but friends told media outlets

531
00:29:30.160 --> 00:29:33.839
that Moore had previously expressed a desire to leave her marriage.

532
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.480
One close friend named Sondra Campbell stated that during a

533
00:29:37.680 --> 00:29:41.119
meeting on May thirty first of twenty twenty six, Moore

534
00:29:41.200 --> 00:29:45.160
said she was scared for her life. Other friends described

535
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:48.559
cycles in the relationship where Moore would talk about leaving

536
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:52.119
but often stayed, saying she loved her husband when things

537
00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:56.079
were going well. Police have not converned any connection between

538
00:29:56.119 --> 00:29:59.200
these statements and the cause of death. More was described

539
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.599
by those who knew as a dedicated fitness professional community

540
00:30:02.640 --> 00:30:06.880
member and she was just beautiful girl. That this is

541
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:08.960
a really strange case, and I think there's a lot

542
00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:10.799
more to this that we're gonna find now.

543
00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:13.839
I think that toxicology is gonna tell us everything that

544
00:30:13.880 --> 00:30:16.559
we need to know. I think that fingers are being

545
00:30:16.640 --> 00:30:23.240
pointed with absolutely nothing to base that on. And I

546
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:27.119
still am stuck on the fact that in the initial

547
00:30:27.359 --> 00:30:29.799
release when they were looking for her, the police said

548
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:34.279
no foul play is suspected, and I'm I'm gonna go

549
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:36.759
out on a limb here, but I really feel this

550
00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.240
right now, based on everything that I've heard, that there

551
00:30:39.359 --> 00:30:42.359
might have been possibly and again I have nothing. This

552
00:30:42.480 --> 00:30:44.400
is just an assumption. This is what people do, okay,

553
00:30:44.440 --> 00:30:46.640
and so don't take my word for this, but I

554
00:30:46.640 --> 00:30:48.799
think they know that something was going on with her.

555
00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:51.000
I think that there might have been like a mental

556
00:30:51.039 --> 00:30:53.839
health issue or something going on, because for there to

557
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.200
be no trauma to the body and she's found deceased

558
00:30:56.200 --> 00:30:59.599
in the woods. She walked there by herself into those woods.

559
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.720
Feel like maybe she took something and she might have

560
00:31:03.880 --> 00:31:09.079
ended this her life out there. I'm hard pressed right

561
00:31:09.119 --> 00:31:12.359
now with anything that's been said. Plenty of people want

562
00:31:12.359 --> 00:31:13.880
to leave their marriage and it doesn't mean that their

563
00:31:13.920 --> 00:31:16.359
spouse was bad. I mean, we just read a story

564
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:20.599
where they divorced with irreconcilable differences and then she goes

565
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:23.720
and she shot him. You know, there's plenty of times

566
00:31:23.759 --> 00:31:27.119
where there's people that get divorces and there's nothing that

567
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.079
it's just not compatible. It doesn't always mean something nefarious,

568
00:31:30.559 --> 00:31:33.920
and so, you know, I think it's kind of quick

569
00:31:34.000 --> 00:31:36.599
to point the finger at this husband, who police are

570
00:31:36.640 --> 00:31:39.480
continually saying, not a person of interest, not a person

571
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:40.400
of interest.

572
00:31:40.599 --> 00:31:43.640
Yeah, and lucky, you could be one hundred percent correct.

573
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:48.119
Her friends are saying, you know, she was having conversations

574
00:31:48.160 --> 00:31:53.920
with them about fearing for her life, assumingly from her husband.

575
00:31:54.319 --> 00:31:57.680
That's not good. The only issue I have with this

576
00:31:57.759 --> 00:32:01.519
case in the beginning is right the police said there's

577
00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:04.359
no foul play suspected. I don't know how you can

578
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:09.400
determine that without finding a body. Someone disappears. In all honesty,

579
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:12.839
none of us have a crystal ball. You're not going

580
00:32:12.920 --> 00:32:14.799
to know if there's foul play until you know if

581
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:17.480
there's foul play. Yeah, but if it make that connection

582
00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.240
and you don't have a body yet, I found the body.

583
00:32:20.279 --> 00:32:21.599
It's got nineteen stabling.

584
00:32:21.759 --> 00:32:24.319
Yeah, but check this out. So I think the reason

585
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:25.759
they say that, and that's why I keep going back

586
00:32:25.799 --> 00:32:27.839
to this. I think that there's going to be text messages,

587
00:32:28.279 --> 00:32:33.240
a recording, there's something that they have where something has

588
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:35.200
led them to believe that she may have gone into

589
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:37.759
I don't know this, but I feel in my gut

590
00:32:37.839 --> 00:32:40.720
that they said no foul play is suspected because maybe

591
00:32:40.759 --> 00:32:42.720
the husband when he called in, said, you know, my

592
00:32:43.119 --> 00:32:45.519
wife is missing. She told me yesterday that she might

593
00:32:45.599 --> 00:32:48.599
kill herself. Blah blah blah blah. And that's why they're

594
00:32:48.640 --> 00:32:51.519
saying no foul play is suspected. And then you find

595
00:32:51.559 --> 00:32:54.680
the body and guess what, there's no bruising there's no

596
00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.720
nothing to even indicate that someone hurt her, So it

597
00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:01.319
does seem to be following a path for me. I

598
00:33:01.359 --> 00:33:04.799
do think that it's making sense, but again there's a

599
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.680
lot of what ifs, would it could have should us.

600
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:09.319
I think the toxicology and I think that there will

601
00:33:09.319 --> 00:33:13.160
be an electronic record of some sort that's gonna clear

602
00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:14.759
this up, and it's gonna just be it is what

603
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:15.079
it is.

604
00:33:15.359 --> 00:33:16.839
That's certainly going to tell the tale.

605
00:33:16.920 --> 00:33:18.920
Yeah, I think we'll just have to wait. Time will tell,

606
00:33:19.039 --> 00:33:21.920
and toxicology can take weeks because when you don't know

607
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:24.799
what you're testing for. Also, you know, you got to

608
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:27.240
test for everything, and so that that can run a

609
00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:30.880
whole entire gammut. That's right, all right, but hey, either way,

610
00:33:31.160 --> 00:33:33.559
I do want to send out condolences to the family

611
00:33:33.640 --> 00:33:36.440
and to the husband and to her, her parents and everybody,

612
00:33:36.480 --> 00:33:39.000
because whatever the outcome is here, a lot of lives

613
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:42.000
are affected, and you know, it's a tragedy. Whatever the

614
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.839
outcome is, it's a tragedy. All right, We're going to

615
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:51.200
do some international indiscretion. Oh is that? I oh, Jimmy

616
00:33:51.599 --> 00:33:54.079
with a sound effect. I love it. We're gonna go

617
00:33:54.200 --> 00:33:57.079
to the anointed Kingdom all the way across the pond.

618
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.240
A thirty year old man from Norfolk has it's been

619
00:34:00.319 --> 00:34:04.400
arrested on suspicion of attempted murder after allegedly throwing a

620
00:34:04.799 --> 00:34:07.119
y'all you want to talk about a worst nightmare for

621
00:34:07.119 --> 00:34:09.840
a parent, here are my words right now. He is

622
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:14.000
going to be charged because he allegedly threw a three

623
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:18.199
year old boy into a crocodile enclosure at a zoo

624
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.559
in Cambridgeshire, England.

625
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:21.639
Wow.

626
00:34:22.320 --> 00:34:24.920
Like, of all the things you never want to hear,

627
00:34:26.079 --> 00:34:27.480
and we don't want to hear a lot, but to

628
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:31.039
throw a baby in a crocodile enclosure. So the incident

629
00:34:31.119 --> 00:34:34.480
happened last week at Johnson's of old Hurst, which is

630
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:38.360
a family run zoo near Huntington Done. They've got long

631
00:34:38.440 --> 00:34:43.679
compound names there all right in Huntington Done. According to police,

632
00:34:43.719 --> 00:34:46.079
the man, who had no connection to the child, which

633
00:34:46.079 --> 00:34:49.400
is even stranger, threw the toddler into the crocodile enclosure

634
00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:53.360
inside the zoo's tropical house. The boy suffered serious injuries

635
00:34:53.360 --> 00:34:56.639
from the fall, including a broken arm and pelvis, but

636
00:34:56.880 --> 00:35:00.280
he was not attacked by any of the animals. Child

637
00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:04.400
was rushed to Addenbrook's Hospital in Cambridge, where he remains

638
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.840
in critical but stable condition and a dramatic rescue. Tracy Johnson,

639
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.360
the wife of the zoo's owner, immediately jumped into the

640
00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:16.199
crocodile enclosure to save the boy. You want like that

641
00:35:16.360 --> 00:35:18.760
is stunning to me. You know she didn't think twice,

642
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:22.000
jumped right in there to get that baby. Other members

643
00:35:22.039 --> 00:35:24.559
of the zoo family also helped pull the child to safety.

644
00:35:24.800 --> 00:35:28.000
Emergency crews, including an air ambulance team, treated the toddler

645
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.079
at the scene before transporting him to the hospital. Cambridge

646
00:35:31.119 --> 00:35:33.400
Shire Police save the suspect and the boy did not

647
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:35.960
know each other. The man was arrested at the zoo

648
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:39.320
and later released on bail. Poor kids still in the

649
00:35:39.320 --> 00:35:43.320
hospital and he's released after being deemed unfit for immediate

650
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:50.199
interview due to learning disabilities. Detectives are continuing bro learning disability.

651
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:54.119
Be damned you threw my child into a crocodile enclosure.

652
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.119
Detectives are continuing to review the footage, the closed circuit

653
00:35:58.119 --> 00:36:01.039
television footage and speak with witnesses. Is the zoo's tropical

654
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:03.679
house remains closed and the rest of their attraction is

655
00:36:03.760 --> 00:36:05.039
open as normal.

656
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:08.639
I mean one of the most bizarre cases I've read.

657
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.119
And you know, as horrible as it would be if

658
00:36:12.119 --> 00:36:16.159
you knew the person and threw them and a child

659
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:20.760
or adult and threw them in a crocodile enclosure, the

660
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.039
fact that you didn't know the child is even more bizarre.

661
00:36:25.239 --> 00:36:27.480
This you know, you weren't trying to get back at

662
00:36:27.519 --> 00:36:30.719
the wife or something like that. This is a really

663
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.599
strange situation. And you know, the learning disability thing really

664
00:36:34.719 --> 00:36:38.000
raised an eyebrow with me. Of course that's if you

665
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:41.960
live in the United States. That's crazy. But it makes

666
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:47.199
me wonder what type I mean, is this person very

667
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:53.199
challenged to the point that it can't be their fault?

668
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:56.480
I know, you know what I'm saying, Like, it doesn't

669
00:36:56.559 --> 00:36:59.480
specify what the issue was with this person, so that

670
00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:00.800
may be where digging into.

671
00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:02.719
But yeah, I'd be curious, like if maybe they had

672
00:37:02.719 --> 00:37:03.280
some type of.

673
00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.079
You just let them go just because they have a

674
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:07.480
learning disability. It seems like it's a lot more serious

675
00:37:07.480 --> 00:37:07.800
than that.

676
00:37:08.039 --> 00:37:10.719
Yeah, like maybe was the baby. I'm not blaming anything,

677
00:37:10.760 --> 00:37:13.800
but like was the did the person become agitated because

678
00:37:13.800 --> 00:37:15.960
of like crying or screaming or something, and just like

679
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:18.440
chunk the kid. But either way, you had to know

680
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:21.280
that chunking the kid was for a reason. Like you

681
00:37:21.320 --> 00:37:23.039
don't try to say you don't just randomly throw the kid.

682
00:37:23.079 --> 00:37:25.599
You were lashing out out of frustration or something, right,

683
00:37:25.639 --> 00:37:28.199
I mean, I'm assuming, but I'm.

684
00:37:28.079 --> 00:37:29.840
Looking serious disability.

685
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.400
Right, So look, I'm not I'm not hateful, and I

686
00:37:32.400 --> 00:37:34.119
don't want to come across that way as a mother,

687
00:37:34.239 --> 00:37:36.000
though I don't care who you are. You throw my

688
00:37:36.079 --> 00:37:37.960
child in a crocodile enclosure.

689
00:37:37.599 --> 00:37:39.559
I am sure, yeah you know anybody.

690
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:41.400
But I'm looking at the picture too, which I'm sure

691
00:37:41.400 --> 00:37:43.440
you're putting up on the screen for them. But if

692
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.920
this is the actual place where it happened in the photo,

693
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:50.679
it's it's like a little wooden bridge and it does

694
00:37:50.760 --> 00:37:53.960
have it does have wiring and stuff on the bridge

695
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:59.239
as you walk over the waterway. So the kid. But

696
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.119
but if I don't how the kid broke his arm

697
00:38:01.159 --> 00:38:03.119
in his pelvis, if you only fell that's not that

698
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:06.039
far into water. Yeah, maybe there was a maybe he

699
00:38:06.159 --> 00:38:08.159
hit the rock or something underneath. I don't know, but

700
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:12.199
either way that is terrifying and they're gonna have to

701
00:38:12.239 --> 00:38:15.719
rethink this enclosure. Maybe put a cage over the walkway

702
00:38:15.760 --> 00:38:19.880
so people don't throw others into the water. That's that's wild.

703
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:23.719
Yeah, all right, we're gonna go to the true Crime

704
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:28.639
time machine made you do Boopa dopoop thirty three years ago. Okay,

705
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.239
June twenty third of nineteen ninety three, this occurred. It

706
00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:36.239
is one of the most infamous and bizarre domestic violence

707
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:40.079
cases in modern American history. As I said at the

708
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:42.360
beginning of this one, if you're forty year older, you

709
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.920
cringed when I say the name Lorraina Bobbitt, Because in

710
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.199
a quiet suburb of Manassas, Virginia, twenty four year old

711
00:38:50.320 --> 00:38:53.760
Loraina Bobbitt did something that made headlines around the world

712
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:56.800
and scared the hell out of every mail in America

713
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:00.880
when she cut off the penis of her husband, John

714
00:39:00.920 --> 00:39:03.800
Wayne Bobbitt. You can't beat that name for someone that

715
00:39:03.840 --> 00:39:05.000
gets their penis cut.

716
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:06.840
Off, John Wayne Bain Bobby.

717
00:39:07.119 --> 00:39:10.159
Now, thirty three years later, we're looking at what really

718
00:39:10.199 --> 00:39:13.440
happened that night, the explosive trial that followed, and where

719
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:18.400
Lorena Gallo as she's known today is so. Lorena was

720
00:39:18.400 --> 00:39:22.719
an Ecuadorian immigrant. She moved to the United States years earlier,

721
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.039
and she claimed in later testimony that her husband, John

722
00:39:26.079 --> 00:39:29.239
Wayne Bobbit, who was a former US Marine, had raped her.

723
00:39:29.639 --> 00:39:32.519
She said in the early morning hours, while John slept,

724
00:39:32.559 --> 00:39:36.079
Loraine went in the kitchen, grabbed a knife and cut

725
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:41.119
off his penis. She then fled in the couple's car,

726
00:39:41.320 --> 00:39:46.519
eventually tossing the severed penis out of the window into

727
00:39:46.599 --> 00:39:50.079
a field. She then turned herself into police shortly after.

728
00:39:50.199 --> 00:39:53.000
Now John was rushed to the hospital. He was in

729
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:58.239
critical condition. In a now legendary medical procedure, they were

730
00:39:58.320 --> 00:40:05.039
actually able to reattach said penis using microsurgery techniques that

731
00:40:05.079 --> 00:40:07.639
were still relatively new as of this time.

732
00:40:08.079 --> 00:40:09.960
I would like to believe it was duct tape.

733
00:40:10.199 --> 00:40:11.760
I don't think so. I think it was a little

734
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:12.320
better than that.

735
00:40:12.280 --> 00:40:14.480
It would be such a man story in duct tape.

736
00:40:14.519 --> 00:40:17.480
But you know, it took nine hours for this surgery

737
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:20.719
and they were able to reattach it. And the amazing

738
00:40:20.719 --> 00:40:22.800
thing was they were even able to find it, like

739
00:40:22.880 --> 00:40:24.840
she just drove down the road and tossed it out

740
00:40:24.840 --> 00:40:25.320
a window.

741
00:40:25.480 --> 00:40:26.840
It was just flying through the air.

742
00:40:27.360 --> 00:40:30.880
Yeah, So it was everything that you would expect that

743
00:40:30.960 --> 00:40:35.639
Shirley followed this an absolute media circus. Loraine was charged

744
00:40:35.679 --> 00:40:40.119
with malicious wounding. Her defense team argued temporary insanity, and

745
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.159
they cited years of physical, emotional, and sexual abuse at

746
00:40:44.199 --> 00:40:46.960
the ends of her husband, and it introduced to the

747
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:49.760
world what would later be discussed in the context of

748
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.320
battered woman's syndrome. Now, in January of nineteen ninety four,

749
00:40:54.400 --> 00:40:57.760
a jury found her not guilty by reason of insanity

750
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.400
and she was committed to a mental health as facility

751
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:04.199
for forty five days. In a separate trial, John Bobbitt

752
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:07.519
was charged with marital sexual assault, and he was actually

753
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:11.800
acquitted of that charge. So, as you may expect, Loraina

754
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.360
divorces John this is in nineteen ninety five and legally

755
00:41:15.440 --> 00:41:19.599
returned to her maiden name of Loraina Gallows. She largely

756
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:22.760
stayed out of the spotlight for years. She worked as

757
00:41:22.760 --> 00:41:26.920
a cosmetologist and administrative assistant and later in real estate

758
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.800
and today she still lives in Manassas, Virginia with her

759
00:41:30.880 --> 00:41:34.199
longtime partner of more than twenty years and her daughter. Now,

760
00:41:34.239 --> 00:41:38.119
if I was her longtime partner, I mean I'm sleep

761
00:41:38.159 --> 00:41:41.639
in one hour, and there's no doubt about that. Now.

762
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:44.079
As far as John, after his trial, he went on

763
00:41:44.199 --> 00:41:47.480
to have a short lived porn career. He was actually

764
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:50.280
a recurring guest on The Howard Stern Show, and he

765
00:41:50.360 --> 00:41:53.559
now lives in Saraset of Florida. In the years since,

766
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.079
John has been arrested several times. He served jail time

767
00:41:57.119 --> 00:42:01.440
for violence against two different women, and his health as

768
00:42:01.440 --> 00:42:05.800
of today is in a major decline. But there you

769
00:42:05.840 --> 00:42:08.599
go thirty three years ago, and it doesn't seem like

770
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:10.920
that long ago, because I remember that making the headline.

771
00:42:10.920 --> 00:42:13.280
Oh yeah, and so get cut off his ding ding.

772
00:42:13.639 --> 00:42:15.920
So I've said this before, but I'm going to do

773
00:42:15.960 --> 00:42:18.199
it for any new listeners that we have. But when

774
00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:22.599
I taught criminal justice, I had to teach this case

775
00:42:22.800 --> 00:42:24.599
was part of it, and so she actually used a

776
00:42:24.599 --> 00:42:28.320
defense called the irresistible impulse defense, which if you're curious,

777
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:30.920
you can do that. But I would always start this

778
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:35.960
teaching with a little song. And so I'm going to

779
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:36.840
sing it for the listeners.

780
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:40.000
Oh God, don't do that, Please don't sing us a song.

781
00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:41.199
Go ahead, in.

782
00:42:41.360 --> 00:42:45.159
The bedroom, the Mighty Bedroom, John Bob, it sleeps to

783
00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:50.800
night in the kitchen, the Mighty Kitchen. Lorraina gets the night.

784
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.119
Oweni whack oweenie wackoe.

785
00:42:53.159 --> 00:42:58.280
Anyway, Okay, do we have any listeners left after that.

786
00:42:58.280 --> 00:43:00.159
That's golden anyway.

787
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.280
Everybody just turning the whole show.

788
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.440
No, the kids love it when I teach that, and

789
00:43:03.480 --> 00:43:06.920
they never forget it. I know, but I sing to

790
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.280
the kid. They liked it anyway. But this case really

791
00:43:09.360 --> 00:43:11.480
was kind of an interesting one too because in the

792
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.000
opening statements or not in the closing, actually don't remember,

793
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.840
but her attorney gets up and she says, so I

794
00:43:16.920 --> 00:43:22.000
submit to you, is a life worth a penis? And

795
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:23.840
I like fell out my chair when I was listening

796
00:43:23.880 --> 00:43:26.679
to the court trial on that one. So John would

797
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:29.360
probably argue it was, but you know, it's whatever.

798
00:43:29.559 --> 00:43:32.199
Yeah, I mean, this was obviously a huge case and

799
00:43:32.239 --> 00:43:34.960
we don't want to labor the point, but you know,

800
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:39.760
it was interesting during the case. His defense to the

801
00:43:39.880 --> 00:43:43.199
rape stuff was he said he would often fall asleep

802
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.880
and while he was sleeping, he wouldn't know what he

803
00:43:46.920 --> 00:43:51.400
was doing and he would have sex. Whether bullshit. But

804
00:43:51.519 --> 00:43:54.119
they had some like doctors. That's why he was acquitted.

805
00:43:54.159 --> 00:43:56.679
They actually had some doctors that said he suffered from

806
00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:59.679
that it was some sort of deep sleep syndrome where

807
00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:03.480
he would do things in a deep sleep and not

808
00:44:03.519 --> 00:44:04.559
even know what he was doing.

809
00:44:04.920 --> 00:44:06.599
I don't know, I don't sounds.

810
00:44:06.320 --> 00:44:08.840
Like bullshit to me. Yeah, but I mean there were

811
00:44:08.880 --> 00:44:11.079
several doctors that came to his defense and said he

812
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:14.880
absolutely had that, and she was also I mean, if

813
00:44:14.960 --> 00:44:17.599
if I have that and I could kill somebody, I

814
00:44:17.639 --> 00:44:20.199
can't say, well, I was asleep, it's not my fault.

815
00:44:20.239 --> 00:44:21.920
You know. A guy did try to use that defense

816
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:24.440
when he killed his wife before. But something I was

817
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:27.599
going to say, though, is that his character was not

818
00:44:28.119 --> 00:44:31.480
it was not what you know, you would you would

819
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.000
want of a spouse. I mean, he cheated, he did

820
00:44:34.039 --> 00:44:36.000
all sorts of things, and that it came to light

821
00:44:36.039 --> 00:44:38.719
in that trial. And I think that the jury really

822
00:44:38.800 --> 00:44:42.039
felt for Lorena, like literally felt for her because she

823
00:44:42.199 --> 00:44:44.239
was dealing with a lot. Should she have done what

824
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.079
she Didna? But I don't think that she's a violent,

825
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:49.679
you know, horrible woman. I mean, hell, she's been with

826
00:44:49.719 --> 00:44:52.360
this other partner twenty years and he still has his attachments,

827
00:44:52.840 --> 00:44:55.159
so we know that we know of he's still got

828
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:57.760
the meet and two ve edge, so you know, yeah, whatever,

829
00:44:58.119 --> 00:44:59.599
and he abused more women and.

830
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:01.599
It was a tr right, and that's the thing. Later

831
00:45:01.679 --> 00:45:04.639
on in life the pattern continue.

832
00:45:04.679 --> 00:45:09.360
Bro So all right, let's go to New York and look,

833
00:45:09.559 --> 00:45:12.760
this might need to be one of our elderly What

834
00:45:12.800 --> 00:45:13.760
did we call that segment?

835
00:45:14.559 --> 00:45:17.840
Well, we already have a name for that segment. No,

836
00:45:18.960 --> 00:45:19.760
I can't remember.

837
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.239
That's fine, all right, Well we'll roll with this one

838
00:45:22.239 --> 00:45:23.960
in New York. So eighty eight years old? What do

839
00:45:23.960 --> 00:45:25.559
you think you're going to be doing when you're eighty eight? Jim,

840
00:45:25.800 --> 00:45:29.199
tell me, I have no idea. Hopefully drinking coffee and

841
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:30.360
sitting on the couch.

842
00:45:30.639 --> 00:45:34.079
I'll be lucky to be here. Okay. I know, we'll

843
00:45:34.079 --> 00:45:35.920
say if I am probably chilling.

844
00:45:36.039 --> 00:45:38.440
Okay, I know you probably don't think that eighty eight,

845
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.880
you'll already have been paroled twice. And you certainly don't

846
00:45:40.880 --> 00:45:43.400
think that you will have already been paroled twice after

847
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.239
killing previous girlfriends. Right, okay, but this guy was so

848
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:49.880
An eighty eight year old Brooklyn man who was paroled

849
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:53.519
twice after killing previous girlfriends has been sentenced to life

850
00:45:53.519 --> 00:45:56.840
in prison for the murder and dismemberment of a third woman.

851
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:01.000
Harvey Marcelin was convicted in May of twenty twenty six

852
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:04.199
a first degree murder, evidence tampering and concealment of a

853
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:07.119
human corpse in the twenty twenty two death of sixty

854
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.119
eight year old Susan Leyden. On June tenth, the Brooklyn

855
00:46:10.199 --> 00:46:13.599
Supreme Court Justice Danny Chun sentenced him to life. So

856
00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.920
according to prosecutors, surveillance video showed Leyden entering Marcelln's apartment.

857
00:46:18.199 --> 00:46:20.880
This was on February twenty seventh of twenty twenty two,

858
00:46:21.159 --> 00:46:24.440
and later that day Marcelyn was seen wheeling a shopping

859
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:29.400
cart containing a large bag. Leyden's dismembered remains were discovered

860
00:46:29.400 --> 00:46:33.079
the following day. Investigators determined that Marcelyn had purchased an

861
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.400
electric saw from a home depot in the days leading

862
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:38.320
up to the discovery of the body. At trial, Marcelyn

863
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.519
maintained his innocence. A witness testified that she went to

864
00:46:41.559 --> 00:46:45.239
the apartment to use drugs and saw Leyden's body inside.

865
00:46:45.519 --> 00:46:49.760
Marcelyn's criminal history dates back decades, so in nineteen sixty three,

866
00:46:49.920 --> 00:46:53.440
he fatally shot a girlfriend. He was parolled in nineteen

867
00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:55.599
eighty four after telling the parole board he had no

868
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:58.679
interest in pursuing relationships and planned to care for his

869
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:02.800
elderly mother. After his release, Marcelyn killed another woman that

870
00:47:02.880 --> 00:47:05.880
he was living with her. Dismembered remains were found in

871
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:09.159
Central Park. So he was convicted and returned to prison,

872
00:47:09.519 --> 00:47:12.119
and then in twenty nineteen, the parole board thought it

873
00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:16.559
fit to parole him a second time. During his parole hearing,

874
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:18.280
he told the board that he and the victim had

875
00:47:18.360 --> 00:47:21.239
argued over rent and that he just went berserk. He

876
00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:23.880
expressed remorse, and he stated, I give you my word,

877
00:47:24.320 --> 00:47:29.159
I will never reoffend. And Sentencing Justice Danny Chunn addressed

878
00:47:29.159 --> 00:47:32.320
Marcelen's repeated pattern of violence. The judge stated that every

879
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:35.199
time he had been released from prison, he killed somebody else.

880
00:47:35.320 --> 00:47:38.760
Chun expressed serious doubt that Marcelyn would not reoffend if

881
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:41.639
released again, regardless of his age, and so he will

882
00:47:41.679 --> 00:47:44.920
serve a life sentence for the murder of Susan Leyden.

883
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:47.800
Yeah, I would express serious data as well. You can't

884
00:47:47.800 --> 00:47:54.000
make that shut up. Three different romanning interests than he killed,

885
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:56.360
and he was released twice. What do you think is

886
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:58.920
going to happen? Eighty eight years old? He never going

887
00:47:58.960 --> 00:47:59.880
to stop New York.

888
00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:02.079
And I know we have listeners in New York, and

889
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:05.480
I love people and stuff like that, but things happen

890
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.440
in New York that I just cannot understand. I cannot

891
00:48:08.480 --> 00:48:12.360
possibly understand. You dismembered people and you were paroled.

892
00:48:13.119 --> 00:48:15.599
And here's the crazy thing about this story that really

893
00:48:15.639 --> 00:48:20.079
got me twenty twenty two was when he got released

894
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:22.840
the last time. So it was four years ago, so

895
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:26.280
he was eighty four. You've been in jail twice at

896
00:48:26.320 --> 00:48:31.239
that point for killing spouses or romantic interest or whatever.

897
00:48:32.639 --> 00:48:35.719
He managed to get another girlfriend at eighty four years

898
00:48:35.719 --> 00:48:40.079
old with that kind of record. She don't know, But

899
00:48:40.159 --> 00:48:42.920
I mean, you're eighty four and you've been in prison

900
00:48:43.039 --> 00:48:46.400
your whole life. How can she not know something?

901
00:48:46.559 --> 00:48:46.760
Well?

902
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.559
And I mean this is in New York. It's to say,

903
00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:51.559
all you got to do is google his damn name.

904
00:48:51.800 --> 00:48:53.599
Yeah, well here's what's going to show up. I mean,

905
00:48:53.639 --> 00:48:55.920
we've got it. We've also got it. Crazy a victim,

906
00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:58.000
I mean a witness here saying that they went to

907
00:48:58.000 --> 00:49:00.320
the apartment to use drugs. So I think, I think

908
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:04.920
we have a lifestyle here that's probably lacking.

909
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:05.760
At eighty four.

910
00:49:05.880 --> 00:49:07.199
Judgment calls is what it is.

911
00:49:07.559 --> 00:49:08.119
That's wild.

912
00:49:08.960 --> 00:49:10.760
But either way, you don't deserve to be murdered.

913
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:14.000
And I mean, eighty four ors old, three.

914
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:17.159
Women, three women are dead today because of this one

915
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:20.480
man and a parole board decided not once, but twice

916
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:21.599
to let him out.

917
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:23.280
Shamed that it again.

918
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.760
Yeah, he's got care for his elderly mother. Okay, well

919
00:49:25.840 --> 00:49:28.679
what about those other women. Shame on that parole board. Sorry,

920
00:49:28.840 --> 00:49:29.519
don't agree.

921
00:49:29.679 --> 00:49:50.079
All right, let's go into lustful lawbreakers. We're going to

922
00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:53.719
get a Lake Royal And this is in North Carolina.

923
00:49:53.800 --> 00:49:57.320
A Lake Royal police officer has been fired and arrested

924
00:49:57.360 --> 00:50:02.519
after allegedly engaging in sexual act activity inside his patrol

925
00:50:02.599 --> 00:50:06.519
car while on duty, and then discarding his body camera

926
00:50:06.639 --> 00:50:10.280
in a nearby lake to cover it up. Samuel Markham,

927
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:13.480
who is an officer with the Lake Royal Police Department

928
00:50:13.559 --> 00:50:18.000
in Franklin County, He was arrested on multiple charges stemming

929
00:50:18.039 --> 00:50:22.079
from the incident. According to arrest warrants and investigators, Markham

930
00:50:22.119 --> 00:50:26.079
had sex with his girlfriend inside his patrol car while

931
00:50:26.079 --> 00:50:29.119
he was supposed to be on diddey. To hide the encounter,

932
00:50:29.280 --> 00:50:33.840
he allegedly threw his department issued body camera into Lake Royal.

933
00:50:34.199 --> 00:50:38.039
He initially told supervisors the camera had been lost during

934
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:42.719
an ice storm. However, upon questioning, he admitted to investigators

935
00:50:42.719 --> 00:50:45.639
he had discarded the device out of fear of disciplinary

936
00:50:45.679 --> 00:50:49.920
action after allowing his girlfriend into the patrol carp Yeah,

937
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:53.159
you're probably gonna get in trouble. He faces the following charges,

938
00:50:53.199 --> 00:50:58.639
obstruction of justice, making false statements, injuring, injury to police property,

939
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:03.320
and unbecoming of an officer. He has since been terminated

940
00:51:03.760 --> 00:51:07.960
from the police department. The investigation remains active and authorities

941
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:11.159
haven't released any details about how the misconduct came to light,

942
00:51:11.320 --> 00:51:14.639
which is what I'm curious about, or whether the girlfriend

943
00:51:14.639 --> 00:51:17.119
faces any charge. I don't think the girlfriend would face

944
00:51:17.159 --> 00:51:21.920
any charges. She's not held to that same standard obviously,

945
00:51:22.079 --> 00:51:27.360
but uh, yeah, I guess she could get public indecency charge.

946
00:51:26.480 --> 00:51:30.199
So yeah, he was on duty, he was on booty duty.

947
00:51:30.360 --> 00:51:33.079
But this is probably what happened. If I had to

948
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:36.480
guess how they figured this out. So patrol car. And

949
00:51:36.519 --> 00:51:38.800
I know every agency is different. I'm just giving you know,

950
00:51:38.880 --> 00:51:42.079
suggestion here, but every agency I would assume has got

951
00:51:42.119 --> 00:51:44.599
some has a tracker in their vehicle so they can

952
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:46.800
track movement. So like nine one one, for example, can

953
00:51:46.840 --> 00:51:49.719
look up at a screen and they can see the approximate,

954
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:51.719
you know, location of their units whenever they're trying to

955
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.480
dispatch out his closest and stuff like that. Also, if

956
00:51:54.519 --> 00:51:59.400
he was being radioed and he was not answering, that

957
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:02.119
would also indicate that he was busy. And if he

958
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:04.199
hadn't radioed in and said, hey, I'm gonna be busy

959
00:52:04.199 --> 00:52:07.079
for a minute, then that was an issue. So I

960
00:52:07.320 --> 00:52:10.840
would assume that that might have played a role in

961
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:13.800
that that they could tell by lack of uh, you know,

962
00:52:14.000 --> 00:52:18.679
location or patrol movement and then maybe not answering radio

963
00:52:18.760 --> 00:52:22.760
or something, and that might have sparked the investigation. I mean,

964
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:25.199
I've seen that before, I say.

965
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.679
Or someone saw him one of the two they could have.

966
00:52:27.920 --> 00:52:29.880
They could have. But the other issue too that people

967
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:31.719
don't think about is that if if he tossed the

968
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:36.880
body cam, anything that happened on that cam prior to

969
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.119
that sex encounter when he threw it in the lake,

970
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:44.000
that was evidence of you know, that could have been

971
00:52:44.679 --> 00:52:47.679
used in other cases and so that that proses another problem.

972
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.239
Yeah, assuming it wasn't downloaded. I mean, I don't know

973
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:54.079
what the process is there if if you your body

974
00:52:54.079 --> 00:52:57.079
camera gets turned in every night and it's automatically downloads

975
00:52:57.159 --> 00:52:59.440
or what, but you would think in these days and

976
00:52:59.519 --> 00:53:02.079
times and look someone out there with some money, may

977
00:53:02.119 --> 00:53:04.400
want to invent this if it's not already invented. But

978
00:53:04.920 --> 00:53:09.880
it should be like a bluetooth or like a cloud

979
00:53:09.960 --> 00:53:13.000
type thing that they have with security cameras at a building.

980
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:16.440
You know a lot of that stuff. There's not tapes anymore.

981
00:53:16.519 --> 00:53:19.320
When it records, it goes to a cloud. Should be

982
00:53:19.400 --> 00:53:21.360
the same with body cameras, so that way you can't

983
00:53:21.400 --> 00:53:23.719
destroy the evidence. You throw the body camera away, the

984
00:53:23.840 --> 00:53:25.400
recordings still in space.

985
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:28.360
Or here's an idea, take the body cam off while

986
00:53:28.360 --> 00:53:30.280
you're busy. I mean, you shouldn't be doing that anyway,

987
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:31.599
but would you leave it on?

988
00:53:33.000 --> 00:53:36.239
Yeah? I don't know, but all that could be avoided

989
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.760
if you just uploated to a cloud.

990
00:53:39.239 --> 00:53:40.760
Yeah, or if you yeah, you.

991
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:43.039
Know, when it's turned on, it automatically uplates just like

992
00:53:43.079 --> 00:53:45.079
a security camera. Same way.

993
00:53:45.159 --> 00:53:48.880
I mean, hey, someone do that. Yeah, elon quick, going

994
00:53:48.880 --> 00:53:54.639
to the moon fixed body cams. Okay, let's go to California. So,

995
00:53:54.920 --> 00:53:57.679
a California man who had previously been charged with stalking

996
00:53:57.719 --> 00:54:00.760
his estranged wife, including applying for a job at her

997
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:05.000
workplace and installing multiple tracking devices on her car, is

998
00:54:05.039 --> 00:54:08.599
now facing murder charges after allegedly stabbing her to death.

999
00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:13.159
Maria Parre. I almost rolled at Parra. I think it's Spanish, Para,

1000
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.360
How would you say that? However, you get all right,

1001
00:54:16.679 --> 00:54:19.880
Maria Para. She was forty five years old. Okay, she

1002
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.440
was forty five years old. She was found with multiple

1003
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.440
stab wounds inside a San Jose home on June eleventh.

1004
00:54:25.639 --> 00:54:30.760
Her estranged husband, Pablo Aguileramora, forty six, was also at

1005
00:54:30.760 --> 00:54:34.599
the scene, suffering from self inflicted stab wounds. Para died

1006
00:54:34.639 --> 00:54:37.760
from her injuries at a hospital. In her final moments,

1007
00:54:38.000 --> 00:54:41.679
she was able, though, to identify Aguileamora as her attacker.

1008
00:54:42.159 --> 00:54:45.519
The murder came after months of alleged harassment, and in

1009
00:54:45.559 --> 00:54:49.039
March twenty twenty six, Aguileramora was charged with stalking after

1010
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:53.440
Para reported a pattern of disturbing behavior, including slashing the

1011
00:54:53.480 --> 00:54:56.679
tires on her vehicle, applying for a job at her workplace,

1012
00:54:57.039 --> 00:55:00.559
attaching three tracking devices to her car, ending her more

1013
00:55:00.559 --> 00:55:04.239
than one hundred texts and voicemails showing up at her job.

1014
00:55:04.639 --> 00:55:06.760
I mean this guy was out of control. Para had

1015
00:55:07.079 --> 00:55:10.480
obtained an emergency protective order against him. Despite the charges,

1016
00:55:10.559 --> 00:55:16.239
Aguilera Moro was released pending further proceedings. So June eleventh,

1017
00:55:16.519 --> 00:55:18.760
officers responded to a report of attack inside of a

1018
00:55:18.840 --> 00:55:22.280
residence in San Jose. They found Para suffering from multiple

1019
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:26.400
stab wounds and Aguileramorro with self inflicted injuries. A witness

1020
00:55:26.400 --> 00:55:29.239
who called nine to one one reported that Aguileramora threatened

1021
00:55:29.280 --> 00:55:32.320
them during the incident as well. Para was rushed to

1022
00:55:32.360 --> 00:55:35.360
a hospital where she did succumb to her injuries, and

1023
00:55:35.400 --> 00:55:39.039
Aguileramura survived and was taken into custody. He is now

1024
00:55:39.079 --> 00:55:41.880
being charged with the murder in addition to the prior

1025
00:55:41.960 --> 00:55:42.800
stalking case.

1026
00:55:43.159 --> 00:55:48.000
Yeah, and Yama's look at that record and you could

1027
00:55:48.039 --> 00:55:49.840
see how that was going to end up.

1028
00:55:49.960 --> 00:55:50.719
What more could she do?

1029
00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:54.039
Man? This guy even applied to the same job as her.

1030
00:55:54.480 --> 00:55:57.039
Tell me how scary that would be. You have an

1031
00:55:57.079 --> 00:56:00.920
ax that is going so far. And I don't know

1032
00:56:00.920 --> 00:56:04.119
where she worked, but go fill out a job. And

1033
00:56:04.159 --> 00:56:06.679
I'm sure she was like telling them people, man, don't.

1034
00:56:06.559 --> 00:56:08.840
Hire him, Yeah, keep him away from it.

1035
00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:11.679
But how crazy do you have to be to do

1036
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.920
things like that? This guy was not going to stop

1037
00:56:14.000 --> 00:56:15.679
until she was killed. Sadly.

1038
00:56:16.400 --> 00:56:20.000
Yeah, and she knew horrible she knew in her gut

1039
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:21.480
how scary this was. I can tell you in my

1040
00:56:21.519 --> 00:56:23.960
own life. I had a ex boyfriend one time that

1041
00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.320
I went to bed because I was tired, and when

1042
00:56:26.320 --> 00:56:30.119
I woke up, my voicemail was full because he had

1043
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:32.719
left so many just horrible messages and things. I'm like,

1044
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:37.840
sleeping so crazy. Crazy is something that you cannot combat.

1045
00:56:38.880 --> 00:56:42.519
I would equate this to these fanatical terrorists you know

1046
00:56:42.599 --> 00:56:45.280
that blow up buildings and stuff like that. You cannot

1047
00:56:45.599 --> 00:56:48.480
you know that it's dangerous, but you can't predict what's

1048
00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:51.679
going to happen, and there's no way to defend yourself

1049
00:56:51.679 --> 00:56:53.719
from it. Twenty four to seven. There's nothing you can do.

1050
00:56:53.800 --> 00:56:55.559
I mean, if someone wants to hurt you, they're going

1051
00:56:55.599 --> 00:56:57.039
to hurt you. If they want to find you, they're

1052
00:56:57.039 --> 00:56:59.079
going to find you. Yeah, and so this was a

1053
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:05.360
murder suicide, I would assume. But dangerous, so dangerous, that's scary,

1054
00:57:05.400 --> 00:57:06.719
and I'm so sad for her.

1055
00:57:07.039 --> 00:57:10.960
Yeah, all right, Well, any final thoughts because we're about

1056
00:57:11.000 --> 00:57:12.079
to go into overtime.

1057
00:57:12.239 --> 00:57:14.920
Yeah, Hey, please check out our different our shows too.

1058
00:57:14.960 --> 00:57:17.840
If you don't know, Jim has exposed scannless files of

1059
00:57:17.880 --> 00:57:19.639
the elite, you can go find that anywhere you listen

1060
00:57:19.639 --> 00:57:22.519
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1061
00:57:22.559 --> 00:57:24.920
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1062
00:57:24.920 --> 00:57:27.719
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1063
00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:30.360
You can go listen to cases and do deep dives

1064
00:57:30.440 --> 00:57:32.880
or short stories, whatever you're you're wanting to check.

1065
00:57:32.760 --> 00:57:37.239
Out, right, and so as I've been doing up until

1066
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:39.599
and I don't know why, it just seemed like a

1067
00:57:39.639 --> 00:57:41.679
cool idea to do. I wanted to give everybody a

1068
00:57:41.679 --> 00:57:45.199
little extra until fourth of July. So until fourth of July,

1069
00:57:45.400 --> 00:57:48.760
these episodes of Crime Wire Weekly, we're going to play

1070
00:57:48.800 --> 00:57:51.000
the overtimes on the regular feed so you can see

1071
00:57:51.000 --> 00:57:55.239
what these people who get the overtime segments get and

1072
00:57:55.719 --> 00:57:57.840
if you want to consider checking those out, you can.

1073
00:57:58.039 --> 00:58:02.239
The individual patreo on pages for each of us are

1074
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:07.159
linked in the description of this podcast. So until next time,

1075
00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:07.800
I'm Jim.

1076
00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:09.239
Chapman and I'm Kelly Jennings.

1077
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:14.719
Where your host of Crime Weekly, And we're going into overtime.

1078
00:58:50.559 --> 00:58:53.800
All right, we are in overtime, and look I got

1079
00:58:53.800 --> 00:58:56.480
a treat for you all today, and you Kelly Jennings,

1080
00:58:56.519 --> 00:59:00.320
because you know, the most favorite segment on this shows,

1081
00:59:00.360 --> 00:59:02.840
True Crime Time Machine, is it? I don't know. I

1082
00:59:02.880 --> 00:59:06.920
mean I'm going to say, I'm gonna say it is.

1083
00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.480
And so we're giving you two true crime time because

1084
00:59:10.480 --> 00:59:13.000
there was two pretty crazy things that occurred this week

1085
00:59:13.400 --> 00:59:16.559
in history, in the world of crime, and I just

1086
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:18.400
couldn't pick. So I said, you know what, I'm going

1087
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:20.880
to tell you about Lorraine and Bobbit, and I'm going

1088
00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:23.559
to tell you about this one. So on this day

1089
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:27.480
in not eighteen eighteen ninety seven, So we're going back

1090
00:59:27.480 --> 00:59:29.760
one hundred and fifty years or so one hundred and

1091
00:59:29.760 --> 00:59:33.760
thirty years. New Yorkers opened up their newspapers to one

1092
00:59:33.800 --> 00:59:37.440
of the most shocking discoveries in the city's history. What

1093
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:40.440
began as a routine morning on the East River quickly

1094
00:59:40.519 --> 00:59:45.000
became a national sensation even back then, when a dismemberment

1095
00:59:45.199 --> 00:59:49.840
murder that exposed a deadly love triangle came to surface.

1096
00:59:49.920 --> 00:59:53.480
Y's right. Dismemberments back then were not as common, y'all.

1097
00:59:53.760 --> 00:59:56.199
Nowadays it's every week we could cover one.

1098
00:59:56.280 --> 00:59:58.480
But back then, about transporting the body.

1099
00:59:58.280 --> 01:00:02.960
Back then, yeah, So, on the afternoon of June twenty sixth,

1100
01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:05.719
eighteen ninety seven, a group of boys playing near a

1101
01:00:05.800 --> 01:00:09.400
pier off East Eleventh Street in Manhattan, New York, spotted

1102
01:00:09.440 --> 01:00:12.599
something flooding in the East River. It was wrapped in

1103
01:00:12.800 --> 01:00:17.000
red oilcloth, and it was the upper half of a

1104
01:00:17.039 --> 01:00:22.880
man's torso, headless, armless, blood the elbows, and cleanly severed

1105
01:00:23.039 --> 01:00:26.800
at the waist. The discovery sent chills throughout the city,

1106
01:00:26.840 --> 01:00:29.960
and over the next several days, more body parts would

1107
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:32.519
turn up, the lower half of the torso in a

1108
01:00:32.519 --> 01:00:36.719
wooded area, and eventually other pieces in the river. Police

1109
01:00:36.719 --> 01:00:41.840
and corners quickly determined this was no accident, no medical dissection.

1110
01:00:42.599 --> 01:00:46.480
Someone had deliberately and brtally dismembered a man and tried

1111
01:00:46.519 --> 01:00:49.800
to scatter the evidence across New York. The victim was

1112
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.920
soon identified as William Gooden's suppe, a forty five year

1113
01:00:54.960 --> 01:00:58.079
old German immigrant who worked as a rubber.

1114
01:00:58.679 --> 01:01:00.840
A rubber, A rubber, How do you work?

1115
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:02.039
Which is a massur?

1116
01:01:03.239 --> 01:01:03.639
Oh?

1117
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:11.800
Oh, I'm telling you, I know what you're thinking. At

1118
01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:14.639
an upscale bath place.

1119
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:18.840
Like a bathhouse, he was, He was, okay, the.

1120
01:01:18.880 --> 01:01:21.320
Masseuse at the bathhouse, but they called him a rubber rubber.

1121
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:26.320
No quit thinking, you're thinking condom, rubber like your arm

1122
01:01:26.519 --> 01:01:28.840
got it, rub your shoulders he was a rubber.

1123
01:01:28.880 --> 01:01:29.519
I'm a rubber.

1124
01:01:29.960 --> 01:01:33.360
That's what they called him back then. House So anyway,

1125
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:36.039
this was in an upscale bathhouse in the area, and

1126
01:01:36.079 --> 01:01:39.159
he was a physically powerful man known for his strength

1127
01:01:39.239 --> 01:01:43.320
and jim generally quiet demeanor. But behind that unassuming wife

1128
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:47.760
was a tangled and dangerous romanic entanglement. He had been

1129
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:52.719
living with Augustine Knack, a German born midwife in her

1130
01:01:52.719 --> 01:01:56.719
early forties who also owned the building where he runted

1131
01:01:56.719 --> 01:01:59.960
a room, so he got free rent. The relationship was past.

1132
01:02:00.440 --> 01:02:04.679
The voltile Nac was also involved with Martin Thorn, a barber,

1133
01:02:04.920 --> 01:02:08.400
and her other lover. So she had two lovers.

1134
01:02:08.440 --> 01:02:09.679
She had a rubber and a barber.

1135
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:13.280
Damn, I wonder what she looked like. She probably pretty attractive,

1136
01:02:13.280 --> 01:02:16.800
had two men, one of them being a rubber. I mean,

1137
01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:19.000
you can't You can't beat having a rubber as a

1138
01:02:19.039 --> 01:02:22.599
husband or as a boyfriend. Right, The three were locked

1139
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:25.440
in a bitter love triangle that would end in murder.

1140
01:02:25.599 --> 01:02:28.280
Why you keep doing that, y'all? If you're looking on

1141
01:02:28.280 --> 01:02:31.280
the video, she's about to rub her neck. You're rubbing.

1142
01:02:32.239 --> 01:02:36.400
I'm talking about a rubber and you're rubbing. Anyway, we'll

1143
01:02:36.440 --> 01:02:38.760
get back to the story. On June twenty fifth of

1144
01:02:38.800 --> 01:02:42.000
eighteen ninety seven, the day before the torso was found,

1145
01:02:42.519 --> 01:02:47.280
Golden Seppe was lured to a small renting cottage in Queens.

1146
01:02:47.320 --> 01:02:51.880
According to Thorn's later confession, Nac helped set up the trap.

1147
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:55.920
When he arrived and went upstairs, Thorn was waiting behind

1148
01:02:55.920 --> 01:02:59.199
the door. He shot him Golden Seppe in the back

1149
01:02:59.239 --> 01:03:02.679
of the head. As the wounded man lay dying, Thorn

1150
01:03:02.719 --> 01:03:06.199
and Knack dragged him. Dragged him into the bathroom, where

1151
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:09.800
Thorn used a straight razor to finish the job and

1152
01:03:09.920 --> 01:03:12.880
methodically dismember the body in the bathtub with.

1153
01:03:12.880 --> 01:03:17.039
A straight razor. Yepol, that's a lot of work.

1154
01:03:17.159 --> 01:03:20.280
Oh yeah. They wrapped the body parts in red oilcloth

1155
01:03:20.400 --> 01:03:24.480
and paper, waited some with plaster or paris, and dumped

1156
01:03:24.480 --> 01:03:27.280
them in the East River and nearby woods. The couple

1157
01:03:27.360 --> 01:03:30.840
then calmly took the ferry back to Manhattan, and one followed.

1158
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.960
Was one of the most sensational criminal investigations of the

1159
01:03:34.960 --> 01:03:40.719
Gilded Age. New York's fiercely competitive newspapers, particularly the Yellow

1160
01:03:40.760 --> 01:03:46.000
Press outlets owned by William Randolph Hearst and Joseph Pulitzer

1161
01:03:46.360 --> 01:03:50.320
turned the case into front page Gold Reporters swam swarmed

1162
01:03:50.360 --> 01:03:53.760
the crime scenes, interviewed anyone related to the victim, and

1163
01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:56.960
the case became known as the case of the Scattered Dutchman.

1164
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.400
Dang. That's a legit name for yeah.

1165
01:04:00.280 --> 01:04:03.239
That's when back in those days they name things legit,

1166
01:04:03.559 --> 01:04:07.199
you know. By early July, police arrested both Augusta and

1167
01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.920
Martin Thorn. Thorn eventually confessed to the shooting and dismemberment,

1168
01:04:12.039 --> 01:04:15.039
though he tried to shift the blame onto Knack at

1169
01:04:15.039 --> 01:04:20.880
different points. The trial was immediate media circus, and eventually

1170
01:04:20.920 --> 01:04:23.960
Martin Thorne was convicted of first degree murder and was

1171
01:04:24.119 --> 01:04:28.159
executed in the electric chair at sing Sing Prison. Augustin Knack,

1172
01:04:28.199 --> 01:04:32.440
who cooperated and testified against Thorn, was allowed to plead

1173
01:04:32.480 --> 01:04:36.840
guilty demandslaughter in January of eighteen ninety eight. She was

1174
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.960
sentenced to fifteen years in prison, but she only served

1175
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.679
roughly ninety ten years before being released. In more than

1176
01:04:43.719 --> 01:04:46.679
one hundred and twenty five years, this case still resonates.

1177
01:04:46.960 --> 01:04:50.920
It offers a window into the immigrant life of nineteenth

1178
01:04:50.920 --> 01:04:54.039
century New York And there you have it.

1179
01:04:54.239 --> 01:04:56.079
Well, look, I looked at oil cloth because.

1180
01:04:55.880 --> 01:04:57.119
I'm ekranty wild story.

1181
01:04:57.199 --> 01:04:57.840
You know what that is?

1182
01:04:58.280 --> 01:04:59.960
I didn't know it was cloth with oil on it.

1183
01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:03.920
No, it's basically a heavy duty tablecloth. Like it's like

1184
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:07.440
rubbery like looking just like you know, like you go

1185
01:05:07.480 --> 01:05:11.079
on a picnic, like with a thick plastic thing or whatever.

1186
01:05:11.480 --> 01:05:13.679
But like I'm I know you've just said a bunch

1187
01:05:13.679 --> 01:05:15.360
of horrible stuff, but I was stuck on how like

1188
01:05:15.440 --> 01:05:19.719
eloquent the scattered Dutchman sounded. But I guess it sounds

1189
01:05:19.719 --> 01:05:23.079
better than the cut up rubber. But like scattered Dutchman

1190
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:26.119
is so eloquent for a murder. But this is cool?

1191
01:05:26.159 --> 01:05:27.360
Are you putting those on the screen for people?

1192
01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:28.679
Yeah, they've seen all that.

1193
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:31.119
You see the paper I'm showing her.

1194
01:05:31.119 --> 01:05:34.480
Patreon members, the actual newspaper clipping that is her.

1195
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:39.039
She's not that pretty, I mean, bride, how dare you?

1196
01:05:39.119 --> 01:05:41.079
Well, I'm saying, because you said she must have been

1197
01:05:41.119 --> 01:05:44.400
good looking to get two men, Well, I mean she

1198
01:05:44.480 --> 01:05:45.519
might have had other talents.

1199
01:05:45.639 --> 01:05:48.760
Look back then, it's eighteen ninety seven, Kelly Jennings.

1200
01:05:49.239 --> 01:05:50.760
All right, fine, she's gorgeous. I love it.

1201
01:05:50.840 --> 01:05:53.880
She might be for them times. It's right after the

1202
01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.119
Civil War. Okay, she didn't she brust her hair every

1203
01:05:57.199 --> 01:06:00.039
day anyway, y'all can see what she's talking about on

1204
01:05:59.880 --> 01:06:00.440
the page.

1205
01:06:00.440 --> 01:06:03.519
Shean't worth getting cut up over all, right, Let's go

1206
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:08.280
to Florida dealing Florida rubber. Okay, the cut up rubber.

1207
01:06:08.400 --> 01:06:11.519
That's what I would have been my title, all right.

1208
01:06:12.039 --> 01:06:14.840
A forty year old Walmart cashier has been arrested in

1209
01:06:14.920 --> 01:06:17.840
charge with felony grand theft after deputies say she hit

1210
01:06:17.880 --> 01:06:20.920
a critical receipt needed for an elderly man to claim

1211
01:06:20.960 --> 01:06:24.679
his two thousand, seven hundred dollars Florida lottery winnings. That

1212
01:06:24.760 --> 01:06:27.239
chap's my ass. You don't do anything to the old people,

1213
01:06:27.760 --> 01:06:31.239
all right, to Mika Hall was taken into custody following

1214
01:06:31.239 --> 01:06:34.400
an investigation into the incident that occurred at a Walmart.

1215
01:06:34.719 --> 01:06:37.519
Investigator say the elderly victim, who was a regular customer,

1216
01:06:37.559 --> 01:06:39.760
went to the store to redeem a winning Florida lottery

1217
01:06:39.760 --> 01:06:43.039
ticket worth twenty seven hundred dollars because the prize exceeded

1218
01:06:43.039 --> 01:06:46.159
the store's redemption limit. Hall scanned the ticket and provided

1219
01:06:46.159 --> 01:06:48.840
instructions on how to claim the winnings at a lottery office.

1220
01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.639
She was supposed to give him the official validation receipt

1221
01:06:51.679 --> 01:06:55.639
required to collect the prize. Instead, Surveillance video allegedly shows

1222
01:06:55.679 --> 01:06:58.239
Hall folding the receipt and slipping it into the left

1223
01:06:58.239 --> 01:07:01.159
pocket of her uniform vest before leaving work for the day.

1224
01:07:01.519 --> 01:07:04.239
Hours later, the man returned to the store after realizing

1225
01:07:04.480 --> 01:07:06.320
he did not have the receipt and could not claim

1226
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:09.920
the prize. Store management reviewed the security footage, which appeared

1227
01:07:09.960 --> 01:07:13.079
to confirm Hall had pocketed the document. The manager then

1228
01:07:13.119 --> 01:07:16.280
contacted the Sheriff's office. Deputies met with Hall this past

1229
01:07:16.320 --> 01:07:19.559
Monday morning in the store security office, and she told

1230
01:07:19.599 --> 01:07:22.760
investigators she became distracted by another customer after helping the

1231
01:07:22.760 --> 01:07:25.800
lottery winner place the receipt in her pocket, intending to

1232
01:07:25.840 --> 01:07:28.840
hand it to the manager later, but never did. Jelm

1233
01:07:28.920 --> 01:07:33.159
she forgot. She forgot. Deputies accompanied Haul to her vehicle,

1234
01:07:33.360 --> 01:07:36.320
where they recovered the winning lottery receipt. She was arrested

1235
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:38.440
on a felony grand theft charge and has since been

1236
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:41.960
fired from Walmart. The company confirmed authorities returned the receipt

1237
01:07:41.960 --> 01:07:44.199
to the victim, who can now proceed with claiming his

1238
01:07:44.280 --> 01:07:46.719
twenty seven hundred dollars in winnings.

1239
01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:48.960
All right, you're going to think I'm crazy here, but

1240
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:50.320
I actually believe her store.

1241
01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:50.719
I do not.

1242
01:07:52.360 --> 01:07:54.719
You could do nothing with just the receipt. He had

1243
01:07:54.719 --> 01:07:55.280
the tickets.

1244
01:07:55.320 --> 01:07:58.559
She didn't know that, Yes she did. She had to

1245
01:07:58.599 --> 01:07:58.800
know that.

1246
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:01.320
Anybody would know. You can't just bring the receipt. You

1247
01:08:01.400 --> 01:08:02.320
have to have the ticket.

1248
01:08:02.719 --> 01:08:03.599
I wouldn't have known that.

1249
01:08:04.159 --> 01:08:07.159
I could actually see someone getting busy and just putting

1250
01:08:07.159 --> 01:08:10.760
it in their pocket with the intention of putting it

1251
01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:12.079
wherever it goes later on.

1252
01:08:12.320 --> 01:08:14.360
Okay, and then you get in your car and you realize,

1253
01:08:14.360 --> 01:08:16.199
oh shit, I have this, You turn around, you walk back.

1254
01:08:17.279 --> 01:08:19.439
Maybe she didn't realize she put it in her car

1255
01:08:20.199 --> 01:08:21.319
she had in her pocket.

1256
01:08:21.640 --> 01:08:24.039
No, they said they then went with her out to

1257
01:08:24.079 --> 01:08:25.840
the car and they found it in her car, which

1258
01:08:25.840 --> 01:08:27.600
means she took it out and put it in her car.

1259
01:08:28.159 --> 01:08:30.359
Okay, but we don't know when that occurred. That could

1260
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:33.680
have been. She could have found it hours later. I

1261
01:08:33.680 --> 01:08:36.279
don't know. I mean, I just what can you do

1262
01:08:36.319 --> 01:08:39.279
with it? She can't do nothing with just a receipt.

1263
01:08:39.039 --> 01:08:41.399
Yeah, because they scan it, don't they keep the They

1264
01:08:41.479 --> 01:08:44.079
keep the actual thing. And then you take that receipt

1265
01:08:44.079 --> 01:08:46.439
and you go turn that in because that's the validation yeah, but.

1266
01:08:46.399 --> 01:08:48.800
You have turned it in with the ticket. You can't

1267
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:50.920
just turn it into half yet, says it in the thing,

1268
01:08:52.079 --> 01:08:55.359
he still had the ticket. All she had was the

1269
01:08:55.399 --> 01:09:00.680
receipt for the ticket. So I mean you have to

1270
01:09:00.720 --> 01:09:01.239
have both.

1271
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:03.319
Well, So it says he went to the store to

1272
01:09:03.399 --> 01:09:07.319
redeem the winning ticket. She scanned the ticket and provided

1273
01:09:07.319 --> 01:09:09.079
instructions on how to claim the winnings of the lotter.

1274
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:12.079
She was supposed to give him the official validation receipt,

1275
01:09:12.159 --> 01:09:14.319
which is required to collect the prize. So I don't

1276
01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:16.359
think you need the ticket, You just need the receipt.

1277
01:09:16.640 --> 01:09:17.399
I don't know.

1278
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:18.680
I don't mean I don't play it too.

1279
01:09:18.720 --> 01:09:21.159
I don't either. We might be wrong, but either way,

1280
01:09:21.359 --> 01:09:24.560
I'm not buying this. I think that you put it

1281
01:09:24.560 --> 01:09:27.159
in your pocket because you knew, and then you brought

1282
01:09:27.159 --> 01:09:29.439
it out to your car. You took it out, you

1283
01:09:29.479 --> 01:09:31.239
knew that you took it, and you didn't bring it

1284
01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:34.000
back in. I got a problem with it. Maybe, I'm mean,

1285
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:35.239
maybe you're right.

1286
01:09:35.479 --> 01:09:38.439
I don't know. If somebody out there knows, let us know.

1287
01:09:38.600 --> 01:09:40.079
She is a message and let us know if you

1288
01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:42.039
got to have both or one. I would think you

1289
01:09:42.119 --> 01:09:44.199
have to have both, Okay, maybe that's just me.

1290
01:09:44.359 --> 01:09:45.479
I just don't know what I'm talking about.

1291
01:09:45.600 --> 01:09:51.680
All Right, Let's go to the Dominican Republic via Kansas City, Okay,

1292
01:09:51.800 --> 01:09:53.680
all right, and I'm going to tell you about a

1293
01:09:53.720 --> 01:09:58.399
football player, football star actually for the Kansas City Chiefs

1294
01:09:59.079 --> 01:10:00.560
that has a problem.

1295
01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:01.000
Okay.

1296
01:10:01.199 --> 01:10:04.439
He's an NFL veteran, and he's named a person of

1297
01:10:04.479 --> 01:10:08.159
interest in a homicide probe. And it all stems via

1298
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:11.279
this story. The skeletal remains of a twenty two year

1299
01:10:11.319 --> 01:10:15.520
old woman missing since twenty twenty one were discovered buried

1300
01:10:15.680 --> 01:10:18.640
in the backyard of a gated community property in the

1301
01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:23.119
Northwest or Northern Resort Town that was previously owned by

1302
01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:28.880
Kansas City Chiefs defensive tackle Michael Pennell Junior. Carly Roach

1303
01:10:29.159 --> 01:10:32.800
was missing on went missing on September eleventh of twenty

1304
01:10:32.840 --> 01:10:36.840
twenty one. Kind of a strange, yeah, date.

1305
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:38.800
Right, September eleventh, just gives you.

1306
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:42.399
Yeah. Her family last heard from her on September fifth

1307
01:10:42.399 --> 01:10:45.119
of twenty twenty one, when she told her grandmother that

1308
01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:49.680
she was visiting an athlete friend quote unquote in Portica

1309
01:10:50.039 --> 01:10:52.479
Plata area. How you like that Spanish?

1310
01:10:52.560 --> 01:10:54.199
For you? You're so Spanish.

1311
01:10:53.880 --> 01:10:56.840
And planned to return to the home return home the

1312
01:10:56.880 --> 01:10:59.920
following Monday. In January of twenty twenty sixth, the new

1313
01:11:00.000 --> 01:11:03.960
owner of the property, which Panell sold in twenty twenty five,

1314
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:08.760
discovered the remains during excavation work. The body was identified

1315
01:11:08.800 --> 01:11:13.680
as Guzman Roaches Guzman Roach in March of twenty twenty

1316
01:11:13.720 --> 01:11:17.399
six leading Dominican authorities to reup in the case and

1317
01:11:17.479 --> 01:11:20.880
treated as a homicide. Panell has been named a person

1318
01:11:20.880 --> 01:11:23.920
of interest and no charges as have now been filed

1319
01:11:23.920 --> 01:11:26.920
against him because of death has not been released. An

1320
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:33.359
ESPN investigation published this week found that witnesses, including Roach's grandmother,

1321
01:11:33.520 --> 01:11:36.800
told Dominican police in twenty twenty one that Banell had

1322
01:11:36.840 --> 01:11:41.159
an ongoing romantic relationship with the victim. She said that

1323
01:11:41.199 --> 01:11:44.359
Panell would send taxis to pick up her granddaughter when

1324
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:47.039
he visited the island, and the two spent time together.

1325
01:11:47.039 --> 01:11:51.039
It seemed like they were dating right. She positively identified

1326
01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:54.560
Panel and photographs provided by investigators, saying there was zero

1327
01:11:54.680 --> 01:11:59.680
doubt that was him. Police visited the property with family

1328
01:11:59.680 --> 01:12:03.000
members days after the disappearance on reports of a strong

1329
01:12:03.079 --> 01:12:08.159
odor emaciating from the backyard. Officers conducted a limited search,

1330
01:12:08.279 --> 01:12:11.920
but attributed the smell to a dead animal or pest spring,

1331
01:12:12.119 --> 01:12:16.239
reportedly done by Assasiates at the villa. The backyard was

1332
01:12:16.279 --> 01:12:21.119
not fully excavated at that time. Witnesses told police that

1333
01:12:21.159 --> 01:12:26.279
they were seen together departing Santo Domingo Airport in attaxing

1334
01:12:26.319 --> 01:12:29.680
in January of twenty twenty one, and other statements placed

1335
01:12:29.760 --> 01:12:34.279
the two together on multiple occasions. Panel He has strongly

1336
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:39.600
denied having any relationship with this person. In statements to reporters,

1337
01:12:40.039 --> 01:12:43.600
he called the allegations fake news. So I think he's

1338
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:45.800
got some problems because not only does he have the

1339
01:12:45.840 --> 01:12:49.039
grandmother saying, oh, yeah, that's him, but they find the

1340
01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:53.760
body in the backyard of your house. Yeah at that.

1341
01:12:53.800 --> 01:12:54.960
Time, Yeah, yep.

1342
01:12:55.000 --> 01:12:57.000
And I bet you a million bucks. Well, don't bet

1343
01:12:57.039 --> 01:12:58.960
you any money. And this is just the thoughts here.

1344
01:12:59.079 --> 01:13:01.880
But if she's from a different country and then she

1345
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:05.079
comes in to visit and then goes back and forth,

1346
01:13:05.319 --> 01:13:07.319
he assumed that she would just be a missing person

1347
01:13:07.359 --> 01:13:09.199
because she's not. You know, I'm trying to say, I

1348
01:13:09.199 --> 01:13:11.800
don't think that he thought they would go any further. Yeah,

1349
01:13:12.000 --> 01:13:15.880
you can bury her in your backyard because no one's

1350
01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:16.359
looking for her.

1351
01:13:16.399 --> 01:13:19.800
Yeah, they don't know we're affiliated. Maybe he thought, yeah,

1352
01:13:19.840 --> 01:13:21.760
I mean he's sent in taxi. We're just guessing.

1353
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:23.800
Think about it. Though you're sending taxis to get her,

1354
01:13:23.840 --> 01:13:26.520
you're not picking her up yourself, so you're distancing yourself

1355
01:13:26.560 --> 01:13:30.600
from her. So you know that that's horrible. He's got problems.

1356
01:13:30.720 --> 01:13:33.039
And you can't just say fake news to a body

1357
01:13:33.039 --> 01:13:34.720
in your backyard. Fake news.

1358
01:13:35.159 --> 01:13:37.600
No, brother, I never had I never knew her, but

1359
01:13:37.680 --> 01:13:40.880
her body's in my backyard and people are saying we

1360
01:13:40.960 --> 01:13:42.439
knew each other, right.

1361
01:13:42.479 --> 01:13:45.800
Sure, sure, we all believe you, buddy. Okay, we're gonna

1362
01:13:45.800 --> 01:13:49.199
stay right here in Denham Springs and do a little

1363
01:13:49.640 --> 01:13:51.920
swamp Shenanigans. How do you feel about that?

1364
01:13:52.159 --> 01:13:53.399
I like it all right.

1365
01:13:53.439 --> 01:13:56.800
So, a fifty year old man wanted on eighteen counts

1366
01:13:56.800 --> 01:14:00.000
a vehicle burglary in Saint Tammany Parish was captured Monday

1367
01:14:00.159 --> 01:14:03.520
evening in Denham Springs after fleeing from Livingston Paris deputies

1368
01:14:03.760 --> 01:14:06.399
and leading them on a footchase near a local subdivision.

1369
01:14:06.800 --> 01:14:10.640
Terence Washington was arrested on Rushing Road after deputies responded

1370
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:13.039
to reports of him being in the area near the

1371
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:16.600
Day's Inn along the days In Hotel Right here along

1372
01:14:17.159 --> 01:14:20.640
Range Avenue. According to the Livingston Pair Sheriff's Office, Washington

1373
01:14:20.640 --> 01:14:23.560
took off running across the interstate, which, if you know

1374
01:14:23.600 --> 01:14:26.000
where we're at right here, that's that's a lot of

1375
01:14:26.079 --> 01:14:33.439
lanes of high flying, high volume traffic. Wow in the middle.

1376
01:14:33.560 --> 01:14:37.039
Yeah, and with a garter. Yeah, you got to jump

1377
01:14:37.119 --> 01:14:37.479
the garter.

1378
01:14:38.359 --> 01:14:41.199
Okay, So he's running across the interstate. When deputies attempted

1379
01:14:41.239 --> 01:14:43.800
to make contact with him, the pursuit ended near a

1380
01:14:43.840 --> 01:14:46.760
subdivision off Rushing Road, where he was taken into custody.

1381
01:14:47.359 --> 01:14:50.560
Livingston Paris Sheriff Jason Ard said Washington was wanted by

1382
01:14:50.560 --> 01:14:53.119
the Sint Tamney Pearis Sheriff's office on eighteen counts of

1383
01:14:53.199 --> 01:14:55.800
vehicle burglary, and he was also wanted locally by the

1384
01:14:55.840 --> 01:14:59.560
sheriff's office on charges of felony, illegal possession of stolen property,

1385
01:14:59.760 --> 01:15:03.079
and resisting an officer. So this guy doesn't sound like

1386
01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:05.960
someone you want around your things, all right. So some

1387
01:15:06.000 --> 01:15:08.920
reports indicated Washington was considered armed and dangerous due to

1388
01:15:08.960 --> 01:15:12.279
allegations that firearms had been taken from some of the burglaries,

1389
01:15:12.560 --> 01:15:16.119
and deputies took Washington into custody without further incident. And

1390
01:15:16.159 --> 01:15:18.680
he was booked into the Livingston Parish Detention Center. So

1391
01:15:18.720 --> 01:15:21.600
the arrest comes after Washington had been actively sought by

1392
01:15:21.680 --> 01:15:25.079
multiple agencies in connection with a string of vehicle burglaries

1393
01:15:25.119 --> 01:15:28.279
in Saint Tammany, and Livingston Parish authorities had been assisting

1394
01:15:28.319 --> 01:15:31.039
in the search after receiving information that he was in

1395
01:15:31.039 --> 01:15:34.039
the Denim Springs area. No injuries were reported during the

1396
01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:36.479
chase or the arrest, but we have a cool picture

1397
01:15:36.479 --> 01:15:38.880
of him face down, yeah in the grass.

1398
01:15:38.800 --> 01:15:42.720
Look and running across that interstate. If any of y'all

1399
01:15:42.760 --> 01:15:47.239
out there around my age, you played Froger Yeah, yeah,

1400
01:15:47.279 --> 01:15:52.239
and that's like playing Froger Man. Seventy miles an hour,

1401
01:15:52.319 --> 01:15:55.119
both directions, and you got six lanes of traffic. He

1402
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:57.439
didn't want to get a jail. Now, it tells me

1403
01:15:57.560 --> 01:16:00.159
that because I'm stopping before I got a run all

1404
01:16:00.199 --> 01:16:02.640
the interstate and saying that is going to wrap up

1405
01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.119
over time. But you know, I'm not done with surprises.

1406
01:16:06.000 --> 01:16:09.359
We're gonna We're gonna release an extra episode in celebration

1407
01:16:09.560 --> 01:16:12.319
of my favorite holiday of the year, which is Independence Day.

1408
01:16:12.439 --> 01:16:14.960
You love the fourth of July, you always have it,

1409
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:18.640
love it. You even got me a t shirt I did.

1410
01:16:19.239 --> 01:16:22.399
I did, And actually now would be a good time

1411
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.680
to join those patreons because we're going to dress up

1412
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special for fourth of July episode. So July third, we're

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dropping an episode. That's our normal drop day, So we're

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going to drop an episode July third in our uh

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I guess July fourth.

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Best, yeah, in our in our America.

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America's right, it's.

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Going to be an all American episode. But we're also

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dropping one this upcoming Monday. That's just like an extra

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drop just because we love y'all so much, that's.

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Right, and we appreciate y'all for real. We love doing this.

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It's fun. It's good to, you know, to learn about

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crime that's happening all over the place. And some of

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the stories have, you know, kind of a funny twist

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and some some don't. But I like the intermingling of

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it all. And we like your feedback. We like the

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stores you send too.

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Unless your feedback is negative, then Kelly don't like it.

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She won't read it. I don't I don't read if

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you talk shit, she ain't seen it. All right, until

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next time, I'm Jim Chapman.

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And I'm Kelly Jenny, and this is cro overtime overtime

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One day you're going to get that right, Sorry guys,