Frenemies | The Murders of Johnny Clarke & Lisa Straub

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out to you. So let's get
started on this episode. This one was

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kind of a crazy one. So
this is gonna be about Johnny Clark and

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Lisa Straub. And I know that
people have may have heard of this case

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before, but I really spent a
lot of time looking up the details on

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this one because there were so much
kind of back and forth and some things

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weren't as clear cut as I thought
they should have been. But this actually

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happened in twenty eleven in Ohio.
And this is gonna be um two young

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people that are in a relationship together. So Johnny and Lisa. Johnny Clark

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is twenty one years old and Lisa
is twenty and based on the research that

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have done and looking at pictures of
him and kind of just looking at his

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family and things, you know,
Johnny was I wouldn't say your typical twenty

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one year old, but you know, he kind of looked a part of

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the young, handsome, fit kid. He was extremely muscular in a lot

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of the photos that I looked at. Maybe he hit a steroid or two,

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I don't know, but he was
really big. He had a good

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smile, he had nice white teeth. He played football in high school and

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his goal at that time, at
the time of his murder, was that

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he wanted to go to barber school
and become a hair guy. So while

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that sounds great, you know,
and he seemed to have goals in his

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life, he just seemed to be
a bit misguided. Okay. Now,

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he is a victim in this case, and I don't want to take that

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away from him, but I also
believe in telling the truth, and so

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based on everything that I saw and
read, he hung around a sketchy crowd,

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all right, and he dabbled in
the drug life. And I know

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this isn't the best way to describe
someone in a murder case, but I

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just want to tell you like a
you know, call it like I see

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it, and tell you my impression
of what was going on here. And

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I know I'm supposed to say that
he lit up a room and lati dab,

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but truthfully, he lived a bit
of a risky lifestyle, and I

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think that's going to play a part
in his ultimate demise. So don't come

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at me for being real, y'all. Okay, I'm just telling you how

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it is. But for example,
he was convicted of robbery in two thousand

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and seven and He did a year
or two a year and two months in

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prison and had just been released in
June of two thousand and nine when his

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case of this murder came about.
Now, what is robbery? You ask,

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good question. People seem to not
understand the difference between robbery and burglary,

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and explain it to people like this. You can't burgle someone, right,

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do y'all remember McDonald back in the
day of the hamburglar. Okay,

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he wasn't the ham robber or the
hamburger robber. Didn't It wouldn't sound a

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good anyway. But you know,
burglary is when you go into a place

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and you take something. For example, someone breaks into your house while you're

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at work and they steal your TV. Okay, that's a burglary because you

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don't burgle a person. You burglarize
a home or a business or something of

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that nature. Now, robbery,
which is what he was convicted of,

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is when you go into a place
and you take something from someone. Okay,

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so it's like you're having a two
person or two or more interaction.

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So for example, armed robbery is
when you're going to go into a store,

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you know, and you hold a
gun to somebody and you demand money

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from them. So robbery is a
bit more scary than a burglary. And

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the reason I wanted to explain it
to you is because you know, robbery

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is a bit more invasive, and
it denotes that you used fear or forced

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to get what you wanted. And
so again, while Johnny Clark is a

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victim, I want you to understand
that if you were living inn at risk

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lifestyle, maybe you attract more people
that are also of that at risk lifestyle.

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Now. I know his mama loved
him, and I know that he's

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an absolute victim, and I can't
say that enough in this case, But

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I want to tell you everything good
about or ugly so he can really get

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the full scope of what was going
on. And these facts, while not

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necessarily flattering to him, do tell
a story and the details of his life.

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Will you kind of help to lend
a possible motive to what happened to

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him ultimately, But even though he
did dabble in this drug lifestyle and he

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did the robbery, he had tons
of friends and everyone says that he was

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super popular, super charismatic, bigger
than life type personality, and I can

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kind of see it like he almost
strikes me as a y'all, like a

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young mafia guy in a weird way. And I know that, and I

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mean that almost in like a charming
way, if that makes sense. Not

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that he's a bad guy, but
like he almost had seemed like he had

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a little swagger to him, you
know, the old school kind of gangster

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type thing. But he was always
on the phone, and he was always

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looking for a good time, and
that phone would play a role in the

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investigation. Now, Johnny had his
girlfriend that he lived with at the time,

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and I mentioned her earlier. Her
name was Lisa, and this kind

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of made me sad. But the
more I tried to research Lisa, it

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was like the less I found,
I really did not find much about her,

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and that to me means something here. So Lisa had graduated from Springfield

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High School. She played volleyball,
and she had lots of friends, but

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she would loved her family. She
was close to her family. And someone

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that I was talking about her that
knew her said she was always smiling.

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She was a smiler and she was
a nursing student Owen's Community College in Ohio.

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And I'm just telling you she was
beautiful and I know, beautiful does

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not mean anything in this world.
I know physical beauty means nothing, but

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she just when you look at her
pictures and I have them in front of

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me, y'all, she just looked
like she was in the prime of her

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life. She just has this thousand
watt smile, brown hair, and she's

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a pretty girl, and you almost
get this vibe of good girl falls in

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love with bad boy. And I
could be wrong, y'all. I've never

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met them before. But I tried
to get more information about her, because

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I'm serious. I literally did not
find much about her. I went online,

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and I think I was I'm pretty
sure it was her mother that I

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found, and I reached out to
her mother, but as of this recording

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time, I never received any feedback
from her. But I tried because I

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wanted to get to know her.
I wanted to know who she was.

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But I know she cared about people
because she wanted to be a nurse.

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She wanted to take care of people. But like I said, she's pretty

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long, brown hair and white teeth, big smile. Why I don't keep

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saying teeth, y'all, Pias,
I am a freaking teeth person. Something

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about people's teeth. I love pretty
teeth, and I know it's weird,

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but I automatically like put you ten
points higher than the average Joe if you

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have pretty teeth. I just think. I don't know, I just like

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pretty teeth, and that's okay.
You don't have to like teeth, but

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I do. Okay. But from
her photos, I gathered that she seemed

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like she was kind of a gentle
soul. She just her smile about her,

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seemed like a pretty gentle girl.
She was a waitress at the time

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of her and Johnny dating, and
she acted like most twenty year olds do.

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This is a pure guess based on
you know, what all I read

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and her pictures. But I feel
like she had goals and aspirations and maybe

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would have outgrown the stage of life
that they were in at the time of

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this crime. They were just young, you know, and doing what young

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people do. So in January twenty
eleven, it was really cold in Ohio

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and it said that there was five
inches of snow that had dropped in the

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Toledo area, and Johnny and Lisa
had been very active on their phones that

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day, like a lot of twenty
somethings, you know, you would expect

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they're on their phones twenty four seven, so busy. A matter of fact,

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Johnny Clark's phone had fifty one phone
calls that day back and forth,

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and this was a normal call load
for him though he had tons of friends,

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and based on the history of his
phone logs, it was a pretty

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normal phone call volume. That's a
lot of calls. Though. Now,

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just because he was misguided, I
would say in his daily activities, as

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I mentioned, that doesn't mean that
he wasn't parented, Okay. He had

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a family that loved him immensely.
He was of Cuban heritage on his mom's

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side, and she had a very
very very strong bond with her son and

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a very you know, she loved
that boy. And the mom's name was

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Mate, like I'm Matie. But
she wasn't a pirate, Okay. I

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just said that other accounts of her
name people were calling her Mate. But

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I saw in a call recorded call
where she said her own name and she

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said Mate. So that's why I'm
pronouncing that pronouncing it that way, all

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right. So back to miss Mate
and the timeline of events. Around eight

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pm, she called to say hey
and check on her son, because,

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like I said, they were really
close and they spoke usually multiple times a

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day, and they spoke on the
phone and had this typical mom's son talk

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on the phone. Life was good, everything was normal and as strange as

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it may seem, whenever he picked
up the phone, he said, yes,

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Mom, I'm still alive, you
know, being you know, like

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kids are. But that would be
kind of haunting. So by the time

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they were having their conversation around eight
pm, it said, you know,

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the snow had melted and Johnny had
plans to go head to his friend's house

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to watch the Pro Bowl. So
at ten pm, he picked up his

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girlfriend Lisa from her job at TGI
Fridays where she was waitressing, and they

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had plans to go to the home
of Lisa's parents house. So Lisa's parents

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are Mary Beth and Jeff Straub.
And Jeff I was looking around for some

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information on him, and what I
found online was that he has an associate's

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degree and his current occupation was listed
as a craftsman, basically blue collar worker.

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To give you a feel of this
family, they were successful and structured

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people. Everything I saw showed that
they were These were just good people that

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were living their life, taking care
of their daughter. They had a nice

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home, but they weren't home.
They were on a cruise and were excited

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to be celebrating their twenty fifth wedding
anniversary. So a few things about them.

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They had left their daughter, Lisa
and her boyfriend to look for their

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home. Look over their home.
But they had rules about their house,

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and they kept an orderly home,
and one of those rules was particular that

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there was absolutely no smoking in their
house. This would come to be important.

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You will not smoke in my house, all right. Do not bring

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cigarettes into my house. A phone
log shows that Johnny called a friend at

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ten forty one PM, and that
friend later would say that Johnny was waiting

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for another friend that he was going
to meet up with. And this guy's

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name was Anthony Watson. So also
at ten forty one, Clark would Johnny

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Clark would click over he was on
the phone, and he would click over

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and he would talk to another friend
named Tiffany Williams. Okay, so we

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got a couple of friends in this
conversation going on right now. Johnny and

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Lisa were planning to go pick up
the girl Tiffany. He clicked over one

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and other friend named Zach Burkett,
and then they were going to return back

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to the home to play pool.
I hope you're following all of this,

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okay, So Tiffany would remember that
during their phone conversation, Johnny all of

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a sudden would go quote, who
the hell are you, bro? What

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are you doing? Which is kind
of weird, right because they were talking,

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and then he just kind of angrily
responded to someone that he seemed like

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he just saw, And she said
it seemed like Johnny knew the person that

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he was talking to, but he
also could hear she could also hear another

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man's voice in the background. Then
Johnny abruptly told Tiffany, hey, let

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me call you back and hung up
the phone. Twenty Two more calls to

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Johnny's phone after ten forty one PM
go unanswered. He was getting blown up

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again some more, and he would
not answer the phone. So Johnny's mom

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becomes pretty nervous at this point because
he always answered her calls, even if

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he might ignore somebody else. He
was answering Mama when she called. So

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when both Johnny and Lisa would not
answer, numerous techs and calls and attempts

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to get a hold of him,
that friend Tiffany that he had hung up

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on earlier, convinced Zach Burkett,
the other friend, to drive out to

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the home to see what was up. When they got there, they pulled

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on the door and started knocking.
They were looking inside windows, but they

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just didn't see anything. And the
only thing they could really even see that

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might be different was that there was
a door open at the top of the

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stairs. But after no one answered
at the home, they left. So

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Tiffany decides, well, maybe I
should call Johnny's best friend's girlfriend and see

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if she knows what's going on,
And so she wanted to get the boyfriend's

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phone number, so that's why she
called the girlfriend. That makes sense.

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I hope she called the girlfriend to
see if she could get the boyfriend's number

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and see if he would try to
call Johnny. And maybe, I don't

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know, maybe Johnny was just ignoring
Tiffany's phone calls, right, So at

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that moment, Tiffany's like thinking,
Johnny and Lisa just must be ignoring my

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phone calls. Right, So instead
of that girlfriend getting her boyfriend to call

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Johnny, that girlfriend kind of got
shook, okay, And her name was

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Sharita. She according to a nine
one call that I listened to. In

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this case, she decided, I'm
going to call Johnny's mom instead and tell

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her what's going on, because this
is really weird. Okay, if you've

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called then he hung up abruptly,
and now he hasn't answered the phone.

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You drove over there, they want
to at the door. I really think

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we need to get mom involved,
and to her point, I think she

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was right. So a little bit
of talking goes on, and then Tiffany

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agrees to go pick up Johnny's father
named John and take him to Lisa's parents'

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house, right because that's where they
were all supposed to be going back to

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play pool. At one twenty one
am, maybe called nine one one to

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report the call and to ask for
a welfare check. All right, So

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some hours have gone by at this
point and they're concerned. So what is

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a welfare check? Let me just
explain that to you real quick. So

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you know, a welfare check is
whenever someone or something doesn't they're not answer

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the phone, they're not answering the
door, and so you really feel like,

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hey, someone should go in an
official capacity and check on this person

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and make sure that they are okay, but a welfare check does not give

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you give police the right to kick
indoors or anything like that. So like

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in the movies, if they're going
to check on someone, you know,

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they might kick in a door or
break a window or something. Yeah,

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that we have to have probable cause. That's not going to happen. Okay.

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So police do respond. They show
up and they talk to the you

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know, the friend and their dad
and you know what's going on. One

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and the deputies searched the outside of
the home and they saw no tracks in

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the snow. They saw nothing outside
of the house that would indicate that anything

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had gone on and then run from
the house. They didn't see any forced

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entry, They saw nothing. The
only thing they could note was that the

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TV was one, but there was
no obvious forced entry or any other alarming

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signals. And so you know,
here's a snippet of that nine one one

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call, and I want you to
listen to mom's voice, y'all. She

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sounds scared and she's extremely anxious in
this phone call, as you would expect.

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So here's a snippet of that call. It's not the whole call,

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but I want you to listen y'all. In her voice, she sounds scared,

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and she sounds extremely anxious. Hello, hell, late nine one man.

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My heart is beating out of my
chest. I just got a call

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from one of my son's friends.
Okay, her phone number, I have

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it right here. She just picked
my husband up too. My son and

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his girlfriend live out at twenty one
sixty one long Acre Lane. I believe

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that's Hollin. This girl says she
was on the phone with my son and

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his girlfriend and he was supposed to
go pick her off. He was sooner.

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He was going out the door,
and all she heard was the phone

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drop and heard my son saying in
the bedroom, who are you? What

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do you want? What are you
doing here? And she says she just

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girl by the house and the households
ramsacked. All the lights are on.

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My son's light answer, and then
neither is the girlfriend. Oh my god,

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please, I'm praying that my son. It's okay. Oh lord,

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okay. So Mati calls nine one
one again at two twenty seven am,

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and she got in the car and
drove to the home with a family member

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to meet John, Tiffany and Zach. Okay, this mama has that sense

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that lots of people have mama's.
Have you know I've woken up in the

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middle of night, out of a
dead sleep and went, oh my god,

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I think one of the kids is
sick and gotten up, and sure

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enough I go in there and I
have a sick kid. It's just that,

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since you have as a mother,
this mama knew something was wrong.

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Okay, she made that first phone
call, and now she's making a second

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one. I'm gonna go ahead and
put that in. Now listen to her

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voice. I'm coming up to the
residence right now. Well, which residence

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Lisa's house? Okay, I needed
an address. Twenty one sixty one long

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Acre. A plane did. And
what's your name? My name is my

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pay Boscus Clark. This is the
street I think, Mama, long Acre.

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This is it, This is it. I'm one of my cousins right

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now that's in the military. What's
your phone number? My phone number.

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I want this Thills plate number before
we go anywhere, so I can give

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it to the sheriff on the phone
iron in their back pool and in the

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driveway. I want this plate number, ma'am. I'm gonna give you this

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plate number. Okay, this girl's
car is driving for me. I'm gonna

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stay calm, I am. Will
you stay on the phone with me,

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ma'am while I talk through this girl. I have a feeling you set up

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my son. My son is missing. You've nowhere to be found. Do

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you want to tell the police what
you just got done telling me on the

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phone? Okay, come here,
ma'am. I'm gonna let you talk to

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her because I have her blocked them
out lethal police drive away, So deputies

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respond again, and this time they
spend more than twenty minutes looking around the

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outside of the house. The issue, though, y'all, is you have

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to have probable cause or exigent circumstances
to force entry into a home. You

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know, real quick, you know, exigent circumstances are going to be something

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like if they heard oh no,
help or stop no, or gunfire or

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something that's exigent circumstances. But if
the police don't have that. I saw

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so much chatter online about the police
were inept, or the police didn't do

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their job, or they didn't care. No, guys, it's called protections,

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you know. They're built into the
into the law, or else police

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could just go kicking down any door, any time, anywhere without any probable

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cause. Okay, so you're like, well, wait a minute, they

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didn't answer their phones, and what
about that phone call. I mean,

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y'all, adults are allowed to not
answer their phones. Number one, thank

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god, my mom would be sending
the police every day because I'm busy and

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I don't always answer the phone.
And y'all they're also not allowed. I

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mean, they're also allowed to not
answer their doors. You don't have to

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answer the door. This is the
United States of America. Who right,

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you can do what you want.
So just because they're not answering the door

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and they're not answering the phone,
doesn't necessarily mean something bad's going on.

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I mean, they could be burns, there can brown grown, right,

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they could be busy, they could
be doing anything. They don't have to

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answer the phone or the door.
So literally, also something to take into

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account is the actual owners of the
home. We're on a cruise and the

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police cannot just go kicking down the
doors because of just a nervous mom whose

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son won't answer the phone. And
I want people to understand that, Like,

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I literally want to teach that people. It's not that the police were

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being lazy. It's not that they
weren't doing their job. They responded twice,

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but there was nothing there. And
you know what, do you want

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them to do? Break the law, because then people would come down on

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them for that as well. So
the police just literally felt like they had

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no probable cause and they left again. Now, according to Johnny's dad,

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John, an officer pulled him aside
and said this quote. As an officer,

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I can't tell you to go into
that home, but as a parent,

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I would wait for us to leave, and then I would go in.

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And I believe that I know people. I know people with good hearts,

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and I agree with that statement.
You know what I mean, if

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your child was in there and you
feel like in your heart of heart something

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is wrong, we don't have the
legalities to go in, but you got

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a foot. And by the way, John's Johnny's dad, John is a

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big old boy too, Okay,
he's a big old man. Then kick

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that damned door down and then and
Lisa's parents will just have to be mad

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at you, and you can replace
the door if they're okay, and then

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we can laugh about it in ten
years. But right now, take the

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damn door down. That goes from
my kids too. If you're hey,

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if you're friends with my kids,
just now, I'm gonna kick your door

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down. Nobody answered, all right
now. I think the police officer was

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just trying to give some heartfelt advice
there. But John, Madie, and

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the family member that they were with
drove to a nearby gas station. I

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guess they didn't really know, you
know, what to do, and they

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were trying to decide a course of
action. I'm not going to armchair quarterback

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that It was kind of like,
you know, what do we do?

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You know, we do we break
into this property. We can't get in

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touch with the with the other parents. So they then returned to the home

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and John and a family member went
around back of the house while Madie was

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real nervous and so she just waited
in the car, all right, And

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they look around the back of the
house and they were able to see through

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some blinds, like they kind of
were able to reangle their body and look

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through some blinds, and that's when
they saw a phone and Johnny's body on

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the ground. Dad. John immediately
ran to the front of the home and

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went straight beast mode and kicked in
the door. He blew it down,

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and when he got inside. To
his horror, he also found Lisa laying

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on the ground with a bag taped
around her face. Johnny was near by

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her, and he had a bag
on his head as well, so he

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ripped both bags off and was trying
to give CPR. But he said as

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he lifted him, he could immediately
tell that he was beyond resuscitation. And

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without being horrible about this, your
body, you know, there are signals

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your body can give to tell if
you're beyond resuscitation. According to Johnny's mom,

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when his dad touched his face,
it was stiff and it wouldn't move

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all right, So there was there
was, you know, some obvious signs

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there. So it seems like rigor
mortis had set in. And you know,

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forensic pathologists are essentially required to estimate
the time of death or the estimated

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time of death, to assist in
the death investigation by limiting the investigation period

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and thus narrowing down the number of
suspects and a homicide case. So this

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would actually be important to know if
his face was stiff, because rigor mortis,

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you know, sets in in a
certain timeframe, so in the immediate

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period after death, the body is
going to undergo rapid biochemical and physiological changes

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that are primarily caused by the absence
of circulation of blood and the loss of

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you know, your body's regulatory mechanisms. So kind of like if you watch

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The Walking Dead or anything like that, you know how they always have those

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clouded eyes while the cornea begins to
cloud within two hours after death. Okay,

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So these are really kind of important
things to note about the body because

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it can give you a timeframe.
So what also happens is that the skin

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will then start losing its elasticity and
it's like luster and you know, you'll

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you'll look really pale within the first
few hours after death. And the early

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you know, post mortem phase is
most frequently estimated using they call it the

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classical triad of post mortem changes.
So you've got rigor mortis, liver mortis,

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and alga mortists if you didn't know
that, and I'm not trying to

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go too deep into it, but
hey, the science of it's kind of

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to me impressive of how we kind
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so when it goes to you know, alga mortists, that's whenever the body's

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cooling, and then rigor mortis is
going to be the postmortem stiffening of the

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muscles. And so if he went
to go pick him up and could tell

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that he was stiff, then you
know that we're you know, we're within

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a few hours of their death.
So the smaller muscles over the face and

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around the eyes, around the mouth, and you know, that's where rigor

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mortis like the muscles where it it
first appears. And following rigor mortis muscles

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will be in the hands, then
your upper limbs, and then finally it'll

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be in the larger muscles of the
lower limbs. So you kind of stiffen

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from top to bottom, head to
toe, if that makes sense. And

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that's going to happen, like I
said, within two hours of death,

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and then you know, the muscles
of the face will progress over the limbs

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over the next few hours and it
completes itself. The rigamoris completes itself usually

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within six to eight hours of death, and it stays for another twelve hours,

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but then it disappears. Okay,
so it's not like you stay stiff

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until the end of time. You
know, you stiffen up and then it

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will release and then livermortis comes in
and that's whenever you get that purple ish

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discoloration of the skin and the body, you know, the blood kind of

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pools towards gravitational pulls, So if
you fall, this is kind of morbid.

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But my cousin died years ago,
and I remember it his funeral.

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His face was so grayish looking in
purple. But I later found out it's

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because he fell forward and he laid
there for a while before they found him,

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and so all the blood pooled in
his face. So you know science,

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if you fall on your back,
blood pools to the bottom in the

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back. So Dad goes running out
of the house when he sees that Johnny

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00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:19.599
is beyond resuscitation, he loses all
composure and at this point Mom makes her

410
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:26.960
third nine one one call. I
want you to listen to the horror in

411
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:33.440
Johnny's mother's voice in this nine one
one call, Like I'm getting goosebumps sitting

412
00:29:33.480 --> 00:29:38.039
here, just the absolute horror in
her voice. And you know, I

413
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:41.319
want to explain this to you.
And nine one one. We have callers

414
00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.960
organized by party. We have first
party, second party, third party,

415
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:51.880
fourth party, and their studies done
because there's there's actually techniques to control a

416
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:56.000
caller who as heightened emotions based on
the trauma that they're encountering. And we

417
00:29:56.119 --> 00:30:00.640
call this just so you know,
the ECCS Emotional Content Cooperations. But that

418
00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:03.079
said, a second party caller,
which is going to be a person who

419
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:08.480
is seeing something that happened to someone
else, right, so seeing their son

420
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.279
like that, they usually score the
highest. If you get shot, did

421
00:30:12.359 --> 00:30:15.799
you know you're likely to not be
as upset if you call nine one one

422
00:30:17.039 --> 00:30:21.480
vocally, as if your friend saw
you get shot and called nine one one,

423
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.920
they would tend to be more upset. And that kind of weird how

424
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:30.839
the I don't know how people react
in times of trauma, but this woman's

425
00:30:30.960 --> 00:30:34.599
voice is an example of that second
party caller. She is losing control of

426
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:41.440
her emotions as would be expected.
Listen to this. You need to get

427
00:30:41.480 --> 00:30:45.039
the police out to the wrong Sacer
Lane for my son. It's in the

428
00:30:45.119 --> 00:30:48.880
basement, tight up of this house. I just come through the window.

429
00:30:51.680 --> 00:30:57.880
The police now here on time the
ground and we can see the people him

430
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.640
and at scirlford are right up in
the basement. Okay, all right,

431
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:07.200
we'll get them out there, get
them call them. We need to calm

432
00:31:07.440 --> 00:31:12.480
down. We'll get them out there, but don't get me conscious, ma'am.

433
00:31:12.880 --> 00:31:17.720
Okay, he said, they're unconscious, Yes, okay, all right,

434
00:31:17.759 --> 00:31:23.839
cell phones on their cell phones on
their bodies, unclosed on. My

435
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.880
hands are tied. Okay, all
right, we'll get them out there,

436
00:31:26.880 --> 00:31:30.799
ma'am. Oh my god, I
need you to calm down. We'll get

437
00:31:30.839 --> 00:31:33.720
them out there, okay, please, sorry, all right, we will

438
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:38.839
long Acre Okay, long Acre Lane. I have the address. We'll get

439
00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:44.920
them out there. Doesn't that just
tear at your heartstrings? I mean,

440
00:31:45.599 --> 00:31:48.720
you've been there forever and your son's
been laying on that ground the whole time,

441
00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:52.559
and there's nothing they could have done, but my god, you know,

442
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:59.599
wouldn't you have I'm sure that that
terrorizes them to this day. So

443
00:31:59.799 --> 00:32:02.920
additionally, his mom would add that
there was a pile of blood on the

444
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:07.759
floor, and there was a bag
on Lisa's head, and then there was

445
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.839
dry blood on the side of her
head. I mean, I cannot even

446
00:32:12.000 --> 00:32:15.839
fathom the sick, helpless feeling that
this mother was feeling. Right then,

447
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:22.960
you know, her son was a
victim. Obviously the son's girlfriend is an

448
00:32:22.119 --> 00:32:27.960
absolute victim. But this is again
that ripple effect that crime sends out.

449
00:32:28.119 --> 00:32:31.720
It's just like a wake of epic
sadness and desperation that you hear in her

450
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:36.599
voice. You know, it's not
just the victims, it's their families.

451
00:32:37.640 --> 00:32:43.480
And to find your child in that
state. I don't ever ever want to

452
00:32:43.519 --> 00:32:47.880
feel what she felt. So let's
talk about the crime scene. So investigators

453
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:52.799
arrive on scene, and it's clear
that both of them are dead immediately and

454
00:32:52.920 --> 00:32:55.079
that this is foul play. Right, because you're not going to die,

455
00:32:55.279 --> 00:33:00.240
put a bag on your own head, Okay. It seemed obvious from the

456
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:06.880
start that the attackers were looking for
something very specific, and the investigators believed

457
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.799
this because cabinets and drawers were pulled
out and contents were dumped on the floor.

458
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.920
They did say, well, maybe
this was a robbery because Lisa's purse

459
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:22.839
was emptied. Now, if you
went upstairs in the master bedroom, the

460
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:30.200
mattress was pushed off of the box
springs like they were looking I guess under

461
00:33:30.240 --> 00:33:34.279
the mattress for something. There was
also a walk in closet and all of

462
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:37.599
the clothes were pulled out of the
closet and dumped on the floor. It

463
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:43.400
looked like they were looking for something, not just at random. Now,

464
00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:49.359
if you walked further into that closet, there was an overturned dresser with like

465
00:33:49.480 --> 00:33:53.119
an attic panel, and that had
been opened as well, so that opening

466
00:33:53.200 --> 00:34:00.400
space was opened. And something that
kind of struck the investigators that was kind

467
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.400
of strange was that there was lots
of jewelry that was left. They didn't

468
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:09.760
take the jewelry, And there was
also a few envelopes of cash currency in

469
00:34:09.840 --> 00:34:14.119
the house that was not taken.
But it was Iraqi currency, it was

470
00:34:14.239 --> 00:34:19.760
not American currency, So what the
hell were they looking for? I mean,

471
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:23.960
if this was your typical robbery,
or it couldn't have been a burglary,

472
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:28.159
right because they were home. But
if this is your average robbery,

473
00:34:29.079 --> 00:34:32.079
they would they wouldn't They have just
taken everything of value? Why would you

474
00:34:32.199 --> 00:34:37.840
leave anything behind? And I think
what I had read said that the value

475
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.960
of that Iraqi currency was like fourteen
thousand dollars or something like that, so

476
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:45.519
it wasn't like it was just one
dollar bill. It seems kind of strange.

477
00:34:45.079 --> 00:34:51.719
So the Strobs were notified to their
horror, and they were desperately trying

478
00:34:51.760 --> 00:34:58.519
to get home from their cruise ship. So while they're stunned and in shock

479
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.280
and oh my god, they're getting
questioned by the police, and they said,

480
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.599
look, there was no money in
our house. We don't leave money

481
00:35:06.599 --> 00:35:08.920
in our house. There's no safe, there's nothing. We literally have no

482
00:35:09.039 --> 00:35:13.400
money in the house. The only
money we left was forty dollars that I

483
00:35:13.440 --> 00:35:15.519
had left on the counter, and
that was so the kids could buy pizza

484
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.320
or whatever so they could eat.
But there's no money in our house.

485
00:35:19.360 --> 00:35:23.599
There's nothing of value or great value
that anyone should be looking for. Some

486
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:28.800
additional things they found in the home
the investigators was that Lisa's bedroom door was

487
00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:31.440
damaged and it's kind of seemed like
she had tried to barricade herself in the

488
00:35:31.559 --> 00:35:36.400
room before someone, you know,
the attacker, broke in the doorway and

489
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:42.239
got her. And despite the recent
snow though, there were no footprints around

490
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.519
the home, which wouldn't necessarily I
guess have to be if it had melted

491
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:51.920
by that time on the concrete.
Then if they drove up or you know,

492
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:55.679
and when stayed on the sidewalks,
I guess you wouldn't necessarily have footprints.

493
00:35:57.719 --> 00:36:01.679
But what they immediately ascertained from this
was that the attackers must have come

494
00:36:01.719 --> 00:36:06.960
in through the garage door, which
led directly to the kitchen because there was

495
00:36:07.039 --> 00:36:10.519
damage to the interior of that side
door from the garage. And y'all know

496
00:36:10.599 --> 00:36:14.320
how to do. I'm gonna be
posting photos of this on my Facebook and

497
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.760
my Instagram. Y'all know how I
am. I make yall little artwork,

498
00:36:16.159 --> 00:36:20.639
make it pretty, put edges around
it, right, so y'all be checking

499
00:36:20.719 --> 00:36:22.480
nuts. See, y'all can be
investigating with me, okay, but I'm

500
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:29.119
gonna put those pictures up there for
you. So investigators came to this conclusion.

501
00:36:29.239 --> 00:36:32.159
They thought Johnny likely saw the killers
as they came in and him and

502
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:37.679
Lisa were about when he and Lisa
were about to leave to go pick up

503
00:36:37.679 --> 00:36:40.039
Tiffany and Zach, and then they
attempted to run back into the house.

504
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:45.119
They believe he pressed his weight against
the door to try to stop these people,

505
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:49.280
because remember how I said Johnny was
strong. Again, I'm gonna put

506
00:36:49.280 --> 00:36:52.440
pictures of him up there too.
But this is a strong guy, y'all.

507
00:36:52.519 --> 00:36:58.400
He weighed two hundred pounds and it
would have taken a lot of effort,

508
00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:02.400
and police believed multiple people would have
had to help to force that door

509
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:13.000
open. And you know, you
could tell they fought and there's something in

510
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:17.079
that that as just as a human
being is. So how terrified must they

511
00:37:17.119 --> 00:37:22.280
have been, you know, and
you're trying to keep people out and they're

512
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.159
busting their way through, And I
couldn't just see her little self running and

513
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:29.760
trying to hide behind a door and
someone busting it open and taking her and

514
00:37:29.920 --> 00:37:32.800
making her, you know, kneel
down and put a bag over her head.

515
00:37:36.840 --> 00:37:42.440
So in further investigating, detectives would
learn from multiple people that they interviewed

516
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:46.639
that Johnny often talked about a safe
that was in that home that held one

517
00:37:46.719 --> 00:37:53.400
hundred thousand dollars. Now, it
is not smart to brag or lie about

518
00:37:53.440 --> 00:37:58.800
how much money you have in your
home. You know, that's like ghetto

519
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.599
one oh one lailo and say nothing. You know, I digressed there.

520
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:06.280
But he was young, and I
guess he was trying to brag for his

521
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:12.079
friends or whatever. And they believed
that probably played a role in this.

522
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.559
So Lisa's body was found facing east
and her hands were duct taped behind her

523
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:21.599
back. Johnny's head was facing west. His feet were duct taped behind his

524
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:25.320
back and his feet were also bound
with this black tape. They both had

525
00:38:25.400 --> 00:38:30.119
bags over their head and then those
bags were secured with duct tape around their

526
00:38:30.280 --> 00:38:38.599
necks, like they took the time
to duct tape them and suffocate them with

527
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:45.119
bags over their head duct taped around
their neck. The medical examiner later would

528
00:38:45.159 --> 00:38:50.199
testify to the fact that the tape
or the bags could have killed them within

529
00:38:50.360 --> 00:38:53.679
minutes. There was no oxygen in
these bags that were around their heads.

530
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:59.880
Both of their upper clothing was riding
up on their bodies like their shirts,

531
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.599
while their lower halves were pulled down
slightly, And so the medical examiner believed

532
00:39:05.639 --> 00:39:08.639
that they were dragged across the floor
and staged in the kitchen, which I

533
00:39:08.719 --> 00:39:13.119
would say makes sense, right,
because there was damage in the upstairs doors

534
00:39:13.159 --> 00:39:15.599
like they were trying to you know, she was trying to hide, and

535
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:22.199
then someone broke it down and then
drug them to the kitchen. They also

536
00:39:22.239 --> 00:39:27.039
found an empty wallet on Johnny's stomach. I don't know about you, but

537
00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:31.000
I kind of can vision this,
like like maybe it's just me, but

538
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:38.639
I see audacity. I see pompousness
in the person who would take someone's wallet

539
00:39:38.719 --> 00:39:43.400
out, rifle through it, take
what they want, and then drop it

540
00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:46.239
on their stomach. Like that's the
most that sounds like an epic fuck you

541
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:52.920
to drop it on their stomach.
Like, if this was just a hit

542
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:55.199
and run, I would take the
whole wallet and you know what I'm saying,

543
00:39:55.239 --> 00:39:59.119
take it and go. But this
took time, looked through it,

544
00:39:59.559 --> 00:40:02.719
took it you want, and then
pop it down on their stomach. There's

545
00:40:02.800 --> 00:40:07.760
more to these crime scenes to me
than just you know, the wallet was

546
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:13.119
taken. So the bags which had
been stored in the garage were ripped open,

547
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.239
right, because remember Johnny's dad came
in trying to save them, and

548
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:20.960
a piece of one of the ripped
bags was found in an upstairs bedroom.

549
00:40:22.039 --> 00:40:27.440
Jeff Strawb later testified that he did
not the dad, right, Lisa's dad

550
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.719
testified that he did not own duct
tape, meaning the killers had to have

551
00:40:31.760 --> 00:40:35.480
brought the duct tape to the home. So that piece of bag. I

552
00:40:35.559 --> 00:40:37.440
know, you might be kind of
wondering, wait a minute, what happened

553
00:40:37.480 --> 00:40:40.159
there. I think what happened was
that the bags were from the garage.

554
00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:45.440
They tore him, brought him in
with them. I think Lisa went upstairs

555
00:40:45.480 --> 00:40:49.320
to hide, and I think they
bagged her head up there. So there

556
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:52.119
was a piece of it ripped from
when they were bagging her. That's how

557
00:40:52.199 --> 00:40:57.239
I read that. I could be
wrong, all right. Other than the

558
00:40:57.400 --> 00:41:01.360
kitchen area and those upstairs bedrooms,
the home was largely undisturbed. Which if

559
00:41:01.400 --> 00:41:04.920
you were going to do this extent
and kill people, why didn't you go

560
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:07.880
through the whole house? Why wouldn't
you go through it room by room?

561
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.639
You have total control of the home, you know what I mean? Why

562
00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:15.679
didn't you check everything? The one
of the attorneys on this case said it

563
00:41:15.800 --> 00:41:20.440
was remarkable how clean the home was, or that the scene was. He

564
00:41:20.559 --> 00:41:23.920
said, normally you have like blood
and fingerprints. They didn't have any of

565
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:30.679
that. And what was super interesting
here was the absolute unusual method of killing.

566
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:35.079
Like you know, detectives are used
to seeing shootings and stabbings and maybe

567
00:41:35.079 --> 00:41:38.480
even manual strangulation like with your hands, you know, But to bag somebody

568
00:41:39.239 --> 00:41:46.639
duct tape them, y'all. They
didn't. They didn't shoot them. That

569
00:41:46.679 --> 00:41:51.719
would have been mercy, like shooting
someone in the head would have been mercy.

570
00:41:52.679 --> 00:41:58.480
No, they terrorized them, bag
them, duct tape their neck tight

571
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:04.920
until they suffered. I don't know. That sounds kind of angry to me.

572
00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:14.960
It's ruthless, and it's not an
ounce of mercy. So the brutality

573
00:42:15.119 --> 00:42:20.039
and unconventional killing method had the police
wondering. I'm wondering if this is a

574
00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:27.280
MS thirteen cartel related crime, because
it has cartel vibes, y'all, it

575
00:42:27.400 --> 00:42:30.239
really has cartel vibes. It has
drug vibes. And remember Johnny's in the

576
00:42:30.320 --> 00:42:35.639
drug scene, and I think Johnny
again, I am not victim blaming.

577
00:42:35.679 --> 00:42:37.840
I'm just talking in let's either tell
the truth, the whole truth, and

578
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:40.719
nothing but the truth, or we
can just say everything was great and he

579
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:44.679
was this poor, pitiful guy.
Okay, it is poor, pitiful how

580
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:49.360
he was killed, but I'm saying
his lifestyle was in risk lifestyle. And

581
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:55.480
if you're selling drugs and you're dabbling
in drugs, I don't think it unreasonable

582
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.559
to say, hey, maybe maybe
there were some ties here, you know,

583
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:05.079
the cartel. I I've always been
interested in the cartel. I mean,

584
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.920
if you're listening and you're in the
cartel, I'm not interested like as

585
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.800
in joining, I'm interested as in
like, wow, y'all do some while

586
00:43:09.880 --> 00:43:17.519
shit. Okay, but the killing
here, it just seemed so odd that

587
00:43:19.679 --> 00:43:22.079
you would put a bag over someone's
head, right, I mean, it's

588
00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:27.639
just not it's just you have to
be so confident when you go into a

589
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:31.800
house and your weapon of choice is
a bag, you know what I mean,

590
00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:36.519
Like you believe you have the manpower
behind you that your weapon is a

591
00:43:36.639 --> 00:43:44.800
bag and duct tape, you know. So it just screamed that this had

592
00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:50.119
drug related, you know, motive
behind it to me. And so I

593
00:43:50.239 --> 00:43:52.199
was looking up cartel stuff because I've
done a whole lot of studying of the

594
00:43:52.280 --> 00:44:00.159
cartels and you know, the Tijuana
and just tons of cartels. But you

595
00:44:00.239 --> 00:44:06.800
know, they disappear people all the
time, but they also have people who

596
00:44:06.880 --> 00:44:10.760
were their job is to kidnap people
and then to either hold him for ransom

597
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.679
or to get information or whatever.
And so there was this guy that I've

598
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.840
looked up who was, you know, talking about how his job was to

599
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:22.480
disappear people. And they were asking
him about what he did and he said,

600
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:27.440
well, each kidnapping starts with locating
the target. The best place is

601
00:44:27.639 --> 00:44:31.559
at home, that's his own words. The best place is at home.

602
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:36.599
And they like it when they think
everyone is asleep. And remember this happened

603
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.000
at night. They may have thought
that they were you know, that they

604
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:45.679
weren't up, but sometimes they're kidnapped
from public areas. If the target is

605
00:44:45.760 --> 00:44:51.039
unarmed, two men are enough to
carry out a quote unquote pickup or a

606
00:44:51.119 --> 00:44:55.519
levanton as the gang member kidnappings are
known. If he is armed, it

607
00:44:55.639 --> 00:45:00.679
requires more manpower. And then he
goes into like how they torture their victims.

608
00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:04.719
So the victim is taken to a
place where no one will hear them,

609
00:45:05.239 --> 00:45:07.199
which would have been if you think
about it, inside that house,

610
00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:13.559
nobody's around, and they're going to
get information from them by torture. So

611
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:20.199
he describes three methods, beatings,
waterboarding or simulated drownings, and kind of

612
00:45:20.239 --> 00:45:22.960
like you know, where they'll put
a cloth over your face and pour the

613
00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:27.679
water. They do electric shocks,
he says, to the testicles, the

614
00:45:27.800 --> 00:45:30.840
tongue, and the soles of the
feet. But he has no training in

615
00:45:30.920 --> 00:45:34.400
torture. He says, he just
learned it all, you know, quote

616
00:45:34.719 --> 00:45:37.519
with time, you come to learn
how to hurt people to get the information

617
00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:43.800
that you need. So if the
goal here was just to come in and

618
00:45:44.039 --> 00:45:46.519
kill them, why wouldn't you just
go in and shoot them? Death was

619
00:45:46.599 --> 00:45:52.199
not the goal here. They were
wanting something and I'm thinking it was money

620
00:45:52.840 --> 00:45:57.159
or it was dope. Because you're
going to find out in a little bit

621
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.559
some of his other associates in the
dope game. Nothing obvious jumped out on

622
00:46:00.599 --> 00:46:06.239
scene to the investigators. This is
where the forensic science would really come through.

623
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:07.719
And by the way, I know
it's been a minute, but shout

624
00:46:07.760 --> 00:46:12.360
out to the Louisiana Crime Lab in
Baton Rouge. They were so cool.

625
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.760
I think I've told y'all already.
They hosted me and I went and I

626
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:17.840
was a speaker at their conference.
Those are the real MVPs, y'all of

627
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:22.719
the court system. I just feel
like they do God's work in there.

628
00:46:22.920 --> 00:46:25.440
You know, they take nothing,
you know, a human hair, and

629
00:46:25.519 --> 00:46:30.000
they're able to figure out, you
know, everything about someone. But in

630
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:36.000
this case, forensic science really came
through because the crime lab came back with

631
00:46:36.199 --> 00:46:40.039
several sets of unknown DNA and Johnny's
ankles had that duct tape around it.

632
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:45.000
Remember that they got DNA from the
duct tape on his ankles. There was

633
00:46:45.079 --> 00:46:50.320
also DNA in his neck tape and
the bag that help excuse me, the

634
00:46:50.360 --> 00:46:58.000
bag that was over his head as
well as a pocket of his sweats,

635
00:46:58.320 --> 00:47:00.320
so like someone put their hand in
his sweat and pulled out the pocket.

636
00:47:00.480 --> 00:47:07.840
There was DNA found there too.
Another small but really important clue was found

637
00:47:07.159 --> 00:47:13.199
near that door leading from the garage. Remember how the police believe that's how

638
00:47:13.199 --> 00:47:17.639
they came in. Well guess what
they found right behind that door a cigarette

639
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.000
butt. Now they say cigarettes will
kill you. Cigarettes will also get your

640
00:47:23.039 --> 00:47:27.639
ass busted for murder. Okay,
don't forget that part. They should put

641
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.280
that on the cigarette pack, like
Surgeon general warning it'll cause cancer, but

642
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:35.840
police warning, your DNA will be
left here and we will use it against

643
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:39.079
you when a cordilaw stop smoking,
you know, just a thought. But

644
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:45.159
that cigarette was found by a deputy
named Frank Ready, and he really felt

645
00:47:45.199 --> 00:47:49.760
that it was odd considering there was
no smoking in the house. They were

646
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.119
not allowed to smoke in the house, They didn't smoke in the garage,

647
00:47:52.440 --> 00:47:55.320
and there was no ashtrays anywhere.
So like, if you were going to

648
00:47:55.320 --> 00:47:58.559
be smoking in the garage, wouldn't
you think there'd be an ashtray in there.

649
00:47:59.159 --> 00:48:01.320
People who smoke, you know,
make them a little chair and sit

650
00:48:01.400 --> 00:48:05.519
down, have a little smoking station
or whatever. Where do you put your

651
00:48:05.559 --> 00:48:08.559
cigarette butts? Usually people put them
out right and then they dump their ashtrays

652
00:48:08.639 --> 00:48:14.159
later on. No cigarette, no
ashtrays, So why would someone throw a

653
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.079
cigarette butt behind a door? And
it was the only one, so it

654
00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:22.440
really just stood out to that to
that investigator. Now they collected that little

655
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:28.039
cigarette butt and they processed it at
the crime lab and guess what. That

656
00:48:28.239 --> 00:48:32.199
cigarette had not one, but two
sets of DNA in it. And when

657
00:48:32.280 --> 00:48:37.800
they ran that in CODIS, they
got two hits. So what is codis

658
00:48:37.880 --> 00:48:44.480
real quick. It's an acronym for
Combined DNA Index System and that's a computer

659
00:48:44.599 --> 00:48:49.519
software program that operates you know,
local, state, and national databases of

660
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:57.199
DNA profiles from convicted offenders. Okay, it also run that you can run

661
00:48:57.320 --> 00:49:01.599
DNA against unsolved crime scene evidence and
miss people. It is a very important

662
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:07.400
program that we have and God bless
who ever created it because it houses everything.

663
00:49:08.159 --> 00:49:12.920
I say this over and over again, the same twenty percent of our

664
00:49:12.960 --> 00:49:15.960
populations are committing one hundred percent of
the crimes in our in our areas.

665
00:49:16.480 --> 00:49:22.960
These databases they work. And shout
out to Livingston Perish because I think it

666
00:49:22.079 --> 00:49:24.440
may be up and running now,
but we are going to be one of

667
00:49:24.519 --> 00:49:34.199
the first in the state that does
rapid DNA testing in our jails. Think

668
00:49:34.239 --> 00:49:37.079
of how cool that is that means
instead of having to send it off and

669
00:49:37.280 --> 00:49:43.079
wait a year, they can rapid
DNA test right then the blood and if

670
00:49:43.119 --> 00:49:45.280
there's a hit, we can say, oh so your DNA was at this

671
00:49:45.440 --> 00:49:51.519
robbery and at this robbery and at
you know, this abuse, and you

672
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:53.360
know how cool is that. I
think we're going to see a lot of

673
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:55.920
positive changes from that, and I
think it's amazing. So you go,

674
00:49:57.079 --> 00:50:02.840
boys, get that DNA amaz Amazingly. Criminals seem to either forget about DNA

675
00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.039
or they just don't care. And
whichever one it is, it ain't working

676
00:50:07.039 --> 00:50:08.800
out for him. So if you're
a habitual offender, you ought to know

677
00:50:08.880 --> 00:50:14.199
how the world of forensic science works. Because the DNA on that cigarette was

678
00:50:14.320 --> 00:50:21.119
matched with the DNA on file for
You're ready for it, Sam Williams and

679
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.639
his close friend cameo Petaway. You're
like, well, wait a minute,

680
00:50:24.719 --> 00:50:28.039
kill we haven't heard these names yet. Nope, you haven't. But we'll

681
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:31.400
get there. We'll get there.
It's almost pathetic how easy it was to

682
00:50:31.440 --> 00:50:37.280
get a match right off that DNA. So now investigators had some suspects.

683
00:50:37.519 --> 00:50:42.800
Your DNA does not show up on
a crime scene by chance. Sorry,

684
00:50:44.320 --> 00:50:49.000
all right, let me introduce another
player in this and I know right now,

685
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.320
you're like Jesus, there's a lot
of players. Just hang with me

686
00:50:51.400 --> 00:50:52.639
and I'll try to be thorough so
you can keep up with them. But

687
00:50:52.760 --> 00:51:00.760
there's another friend named alex or Alexandra
casino. And it's not a casino like

688
00:51:00.840 --> 00:51:02.800
you go play the slots. It's
cou s I n O. It's like

689
00:51:04.280 --> 00:51:09.599
casino, all right. A review
of Johnny Clark's phone records on the day

690
00:51:09.639 --> 00:51:13.920
of his murder shows that he received
fifty one calls. I think already told

691
00:51:13.960 --> 00:51:16.760
y'all that, and many of them
were close friends, so it didn't really

692
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:22.000
raise the interest of investigators. It
was kind of common to his behavior patterns.

693
00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.119
But there were several calls to and
from that guy, Zach Burkette.

694
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:32.400
Remember Zat Burkette showed up with the
girl Tiffany at the house looking for him.

695
00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:37.559
Remember Johnny was supposed to go pick
them up. Zach was at a

696
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.360
nearby eyehop eating lunch with a mutual
friend of me that day. And you're

697
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:44.679
like, friend of me, y'all
know what that is right a front of

698
00:51:44.760 --> 00:51:46.519
me. It's not a friend,
it's more of an enemy. But it's

699
00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:50.039
still an acquaintance person in the group. Y'all know a friend of me,

700
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:52.760
right, all right, Zach was
eating lunch with a friend of me named

701
00:51:52.880 --> 00:52:00.360
Alex Casino. According to Zach,
Johnny was repeatedly hauling him at that eye

702
00:52:00.400 --> 00:52:05.239
hoop, trying to figure out where
he could he could get pills for later

703
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:07.840
that night. And I tend to
believe that we know that Johnny was in

704
00:52:07.880 --> 00:52:13.079
the drug scene, why wouldn't he
be trying to get pills for their party

705
00:52:13.119 --> 00:52:17.599
that night. Something about that admission
just really leads me to believe also that

706
00:52:17.840 --> 00:52:22.519
Zach was in on the drug scene
as well, and he wasn't just some

707
00:52:22.719 --> 00:52:28.360
innocent player in this. But this
is something strange about it, y'all.

708
00:52:28.440 --> 00:52:36.400
Zach was only seventeen years old.
What is a seventeen year old doing as

709
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.239
a drug connect for a twenty one
year old? And I know maybe some

710
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:45.159
people don't think that's far fetched,
but I mean, damn right, I

711
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:51.639
just I think that's kind of strange. And you know, this Alex Casino

712
00:52:51.800 --> 00:52:57.239
girl is also twenty one, So
why are these twenty one year olds hanging

713
00:52:57.320 --> 00:53:01.760
out with a seventeen year old?
You know, Whenever they were looking at

714
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:07.440
these phone calls going back and forth. Casino popped up, okay, and

715
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:09.519
they're like, well, who is
this Alex girl? Why is she in

716
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:16.920
Johnny's phone calls? And why you
know, based on an interview, why

717
00:53:17.000 --> 00:53:21.159
did they have a strained relationship?
They would say, they said, hm,

718
00:53:21.239 --> 00:53:22.679
we need to go down this path, all right. Well, Casino

719
00:53:22.800 --> 00:53:27.559
was interesting to detectives because of a
falling out she had with Clark, Johnny

720
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:31.559
Clark over a dog and a car. So in October, Johnny and Lisa

721
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:36.000
agreed to buy a puppy from Casino
for one hundred dollars, but only paid

722
00:53:36.039 --> 00:53:39.320
her fifty bucks. But then around
Thanksgiving, Casino said that she was talked

723
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:45.599
into buying Johnny's Dodge Stratus for fifteen
hundred dollars. Now, Alex had a

724
00:53:45.840 --> 00:53:51.679
heated argument with Johnny before his death
about the selling of that car for fifteen

725
00:53:51.800 --> 00:53:54.920
hundred dollars. Because during her interview, which there is a video interview of

726
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.639
her and y'all, she has kind
of like, oh she's a white girl.

727
00:53:58.920 --> 00:54:00.960
She has kind of like a wolf
cut, dark hair, kind of

728
00:54:00.960 --> 00:54:07.760
give you a visual about her.
But according to her interview, Johnny was

729
00:54:07.960 --> 00:54:12.360
begging for the money and she agreed. Look, i'll give you half of

730
00:54:12.360 --> 00:54:15.119
the money. I'll give you seven
hundred and fifty dollars and then i'll give

731
00:54:15.159 --> 00:54:17.920
you the other half when I have
it. And so she never paid the

732
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:23.119
remaining amount because dun dunda, as
typical drama would go between young people who

733
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:27.039
drive a piece of shit cars.
Oh, wheel fell off of the car.

734
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.920
So he got really upset because he
was out of a car, and

735
00:54:30.079 --> 00:54:32.559
she was upset because she was out
of half of the money, and now

736
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:37.119
she had a broken car, and
it turned really ugly, and I you

737
00:54:37.199 --> 00:54:40.440
know, eventually his dad took possession
of the car back and it was just

738
00:54:40.559 --> 00:54:47.559
kind of squashed at that point.
But investigators wondered could she have something to

739
00:54:47.639 --> 00:54:51.800
do with these murders, because I
mean, this was a really heated argument

740
00:54:51.920 --> 00:54:58.800
over this car. So according to
others, Alex also had threatened Lisa Right,

741
00:54:58.920 --> 00:55:02.079
Johnny's girlfriend over the car incident,
and these were some pretty legit threats.

742
00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.559
But in her interview, Alex said
Johnny owed a lot of people money,

743
00:55:08.480 --> 00:55:13.960
and she said not hundreds of people, probably like thousands of people.

744
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:16.960
She you know, he owes money
too. But something that was interesting was

745
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:22.400
when the detectives offered her like people
to place the blame one. She never

746
00:55:22.480 --> 00:55:25.719
really took the bait, so it
was like they kind of thought that she

747
00:55:25.840 --> 00:55:28.960
go, oh yeah, yeah,
probably him, probably him, but she

748
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:30.000
never did. She was just like, I don't know, he owes a

749
00:55:30.079 --> 00:55:32.679
ton of people money. It could
have been anybody that was trying to get

750
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:37.320
money from him. So they did
a DNA swab and they gave her a

751
00:55:37.360 --> 00:55:40.639
polygraph test. Her DNA did not
match any of the DNA that was found

752
00:55:40.679 --> 00:55:45.679
at the scene, and she passed
the polygraph. But Johnny's family said that

753
00:55:45.760 --> 00:55:52.960
Casino threatened Johnny as well, and
phone records show, you know, after

754
00:55:52.039 --> 00:55:55.480
all of this kind of went down, there was no additional There were no

755
00:55:55.599 --> 00:56:04.760
additional calls between Johnny and Casino after
December, okay, but as her and

756
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:07.880
she and Johnny ever you want to
say it, as their phone interactions were

757
00:56:07.960 --> 00:56:15.000
decreasing. Phone records also showed that
Casino and Burkette, the seventeen year old,

758
00:56:15.360 --> 00:56:21.519
began talking a lot, like multiple
times a day. Well. Detectives

759
00:56:21.559 --> 00:56:27.239
ask Casino about Casino about this change
in phone habits during her interview, and

760
00:56:27.400 --> 00:56:30.480
she explained that Zach was her best
friend and that's why they talk so much.

761
00:56:30.519 --> 00:56:34.960
But again, I have questions about
this. Burkette is seventeen years old,

762
00:56:35.079 --> 00:56:39.480
Casino is twenty one years old.
What does a twenty one year old

763
00:56:39.559 --> 00:56:45.760
girl seeing a seventeen year old boy. Maybe I'm overreaching when I'm asking that,

764
00:56:45.159 --> 00:56:49.039
but I guess when I was seventeen, I would have thought it was

765
00:56:49.079 --> 00:56:52.639
cool to hang out with older people. But never when I was twenty one

766
00:56:52.039 --> 00:56:57.159
would I want to go hang out
with a high school boy. It just

767
00:56:57.239 --> 00:57:00.920
seems super sused to me. It's
kind of a weird. It's kind of

768
00:57:00.960 --> 00:57:04.119
a I don't know, I don't
like it. It just seems weird to

769
00:57:04.199 --> 00:57:07.639
me. I happened to be around
seventeen year old boys all the time in

770
00:57:07.760 --> 00:57:12.599
my classroom, and I can tell
you the maturity level difference between a seventeen

771
00:57:12.679 --> 00:57:15.760
year old boy and a twenty one
year old girl is big, or at

772
00:57:15.840 --> 00:57:20.679
least it should be. There's a
big maturity difference there. It's weird to

773
00:57:20.800 --> 00:57:25.639
me. And the phone logs show
four hundred and twenty two calls between the

774
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:32.679
two of them, Burquette and Alex
Casino in February alone. And guess when

775
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:38.679
those phone calls really blew up?
Right? After the murders, they started

776
00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:43.320
talking a lot. So I did
the math, which I'm not good at

777
00:57:43.360 --> 00:57:49.000
it, but that's an average of
speaking thirteen times a day. And maybe

778
00:57:49.000 --> 00:57:51.559
I'm hanging on this. Maybe it's
nothing, but that's a lot of calls.

779
00:57:51.639 --> 00:57:55.079
I mean, I don't talk to
my own family members thirteen times a

780
00:57:55.199 --> 00:58:00.480
day. And how long is an
average conversation, you know, fifteen minutes.

781
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:05.719
I mean, you're looking at like
three hours on the phone. I

782
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.519
don't know that just that whole.
That's kind of a strange thing. Maybe

783
00:58:07.559 --> 00:58:10.599
it's a coinkydink. Okay, maybe
it's a coincidence. I don't know,

784
00:58:12.159 --> 00:58:17.239
but there's something else interesting about this
phone pattern change. And another friend brought

785
00:58:17.320 --> 00:58:22.599
this up. His name was Anthony
Watson, and he told police that Casino

786
00:58:22.840 --> 00:58:30.239
also began started calling him repeatedly right
after the murders. It was not like

787
00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:35.480
that before, and he said her
topic of conversation was often asking him what

788
00:58:35.679 --> 00:58:39.639
did he know about the investigation?
She was wanting more information on the investigation.

789
00:58:42.159 --> 00:58:49.199
On top of that, Casino also
sent a very jealous driven text message

790
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:52.360
to a woman a few days after
the murder, and her name she's not

791
00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:57.199
listed. I don't have the woman's
name, but part of that text message

792
00:58:57.320 --> 00:59:02.320
said this and I quote do this, fam watch the news they get duct

793
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:13.400
taped and tied up and left for
dead the hill wow. In that another

794
00:59:13.440 --> 00:59:20.400
Conekie dink that she says exactly what
happened to the other two. But Casino

795
00:59:20.519 --> 00:59:23.360
denied being involved, and she claimed
that she was driving around with her boyfriend

796
00:59:23.400 --> 00:59:27.239
and smoking weed at the time of
the killing, so she couldn't have been

797
00:59:27.599 --> 00:59:30.360
involved in that. Pretty legit alli
by there, I guess now. In

798
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:36.079
the initial interview, Anthony Watson told
police that Johnny and he were planning to

799
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:38.639
meet up, but when it got
too late into the night, he told

800
00:59:38.719 --> 00:59:42.480
Johnny that he had to get up
early for school in the morning and that

801
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:47.599
he would not be able to meet. But in November, Watson was brought

802
00:59:47.880 --> 00:59:53.559
from County jail after being arrested on
a felony burglary charge, and he decided

803
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:59.199
he was going to speak to detective
some more. Okay, so he wanted

804
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.000
to tell of a com conversation that
he had weeks before with a woman,

805
01:00:02.320 --> 01:00:06.519
and he said that this woman placed
herself at the scene of the crime.

806
01:00:07.519 --> 01:00:10.320
He also named Sam Williams and if
you remember Sam Williams is one of the

807
01:00:10.400 --> 01:00:16.679
DNA hits off that cigarette butt behind
the door. So his quote was Johnny

808
01:00:16.760 --> 01:00:22.559
sees Sam or saw pushed them back
inside and that's when it all went bad.

809
01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:29.400
That's what he told the detective.
He also claimed that there was another

810
01:00:29.519 --> 01:00:35.920
man there that he called Drow and
a second woman. So he starts giving

811
01:00:36.039 --> 01:00:39.079
all these other players in this game
that detectives are like, well, who

812
01:00:39.079 --> 01:00:43.920
are all these other people who don't
you know who are they? And he

813
01:00:44.079 --> 01:00:47.920
said specifically that they were looking for
a safe that was rumored to be in

814
01:00:47.960 --> 01:00:52.159
the home. And remember Johnny had
been bragging that there was a safe with

815
01:00:52.199 --> 01:00:53.880
a bunch of money in it at
the house. Now, at the time

816
01:00:53.920 --> 01:01:00.760
of that second interview of Watson,
Sam Williams and Cameo Petaway, the one

817
01:01:00.840 --> 01:01:07.519
whose DNA was found on that cigarette
butt, they were already in jail,

818
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.519
and so it was kind of like, how much do we take off of

819
01:01:10.639 --> 01:01:15.639
what he's telling us because this was
already being speculated about in the media,

820
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:20.079
right, So was he just getting
this from the media and then was he

821
01:01:20.199 --> 01:01:22.679
trying to get a deal by just
giving up this other supposed information or is

822
01:01:22.719 --> 01:01:28.320
this legit information? But At the
end of the interview, the detective told

823
01:01:28.400 --> 01:01:31.519
Watson's attorney that he was going to
speak to the prosecutor, the one that

824
01:01:31.639 --> 01:01:40.719
was prosecuting Watson, okay, And
before he left, Watson said he feared

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01:01:40.760 --> 01:01:47.800
for his family's safety after naming these
names he had given. He was never

826
01:01:47.960 --> 01:01:54.119
called to testify against Williams or pet
Away, the two DNA guys, which

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01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:58.239
we'll get to in a minute.
He was never called to testify against them.

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01:01:59.199 --> 01:02:05.000
There was not even any paperwork on
it because of his cooperation with detectives.

829
01:02:06.039 --> 01:02:08.000
There was not even paperwork on it. But I will tell you his

830
01:02:08.119 --> 01:02:14.400
felony count that he had was lowered
to a misdemeanor. He pled guilty and

831
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:19.599
he received probation, so he did
not testify. It was not written on

832
01:02:19.679 --> 01:02:25.760
paper. But get this. On
September twenty eighteen, an unknown person gunned

833
01:02:25.800 --> 01:02:31.079
down Watson outside of his apartment,
and his murder remains unsolved to this day.

834
01:02:31.320 --> 01:02:34.559
There's so much more to the story. Y'all been going for a hot

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01:02:34.639 --> 01:02:37.000
minute, but I don't want to
skip the stuff because it's all about the

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01:02:37.119 --> 01:02:39.360
details. Okay. I think I'm
gonna wrap it up for right now,

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01:02:39.480 --> 01:02:42.840
and we'll have to do this into
a part two. But if there's anything

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01:02:42.880 --> 01:02:45.519
we've learned, we have to be
careful who you trust, because I mean,

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think about it, Salt and sugar
will look the same.