Aug. 4, 2026

Left Behind: The Murder of Kiaya Campbell

Left Behind: The Murder of Kiaya Campbell
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Season 11

On a rainy June night in 2017, 10-year-old Kiaya Campbell left her home in Thornton, Colorado with 15-year-old Aidan Zellmer — the son of her father’s girlfriend. The two were supposedly headed out on a quick errand. Hours later, an Amber Alert went out. The next day, Kiaya’s body was found in a drainage ditch. She had been beaten to death with a metal pipe. In this episode, KJ breaks down this shocking case from start to finish, and you will not believe the end result.

Timestamps
05:39 A Blended Family
09:15 Kiaya’s Sweet World
14:50 Searching the Night
26:26 Amber Alert Issued
32:50 Questions Turn Suspicious
42:04 Mom Enters the Room
57:41 Evidence Points to Aiden
01:01:50 Brutal Autopsy Findings
01:08:50 Motive and Trial

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, kJ

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you're back another episode of Unspeakable. How's your day going?

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What are you doing right now? Because I got a

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freaking episode for y'all today. This is a case that

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I followed whenever it first happened, but I don't know,

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I never covered it, and so I'm gonna do that

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for you today. But before I start, I've got a

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couple of shout outs that I want to make sure

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that I get out there to you. And we're gonna

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start in cook Minnesota, where missus Janelle Driscoll is. Hey Janelle,

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what is going on? And you're part of the world.

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I hope that you're having a fantastic day. Thank you

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this van Cleeve Mississippi? Where Evett Humphrey is? Hey, Vett,

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what's going on in Mississippi? I know what's going on

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in Mississippi in that where the Nolan Wells saga is

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just blowing up. I don't know exactly where Vankleeve is,

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but y'all got a lot going on as far as

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the state goes. Huh so. But I'm just thrilled to

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for y'all very very very shortly. But let's start today.

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In this case, we're going to go to Thornton, Colorado,

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and we're going to go back a couple years. We're

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going to go to twenty seventeen for this one. And

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I wanted to know a little bit about Thornton, so

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I looked it up and I found that it is

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the easternmost city in the North Denver area, So if

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you've ever flown into the Denver National Airport, it would

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have been the closest city to you for reference about

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where we are in this case. Now, this is a

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place where and recreation centers are highly appreciated. With two

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hundred and thirty acres of open space, it's a nature

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and trail lover's dream come true to be located here.

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And the beauty of the mountains and the gentleness of

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the folks is truly it really is something to behold

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because it's just not that way everywhere you go. And

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something cool, I think it's cool, but I'm kind of

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a nerd. But something cool I learned was that Thornton

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is a relatively new city. So get this. This is

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why I'm telling you. Usually, when you hear of a

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place and they talk about, oh, it was settled and

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then when they start saying it was settled in, don't

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you expect the next words to be like eighteen hundred,

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nineteen hundred. It's like they're gonna give you this this

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really really old number. But when I looked at this one,

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it says that it was settled in nineteen fifty four. Yeah,

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so I mean my mama was born in fifty five.

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So this is like a generation that we can even

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like touch and see, you know, nineteen fifty four. Now,

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the folks that settled there were mainly World War Two

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veterans and their families who had made it home. But

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as is everywhere, it's continued to grow and be a

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spot that people want to live. So in that area,

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families can look forward to festivals, They have other community events,

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including in December, residents look forward to ice skating rinks

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that are provided by the city. They have firework shows,

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and so, I don't know, it kind of gives me

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like thinking about a Hallmark movie vibe whenever I start

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trying to imagine what this place is like. But this

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story is going to take place in the middle of summer,

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so there would be no ice rinks, there would be

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no fireworks as far as this is concerned. Now, it

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was the beginning of June, and so the kids were

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going to be out of school. The days were long,

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and the time was spent basically just entertaining yourself outdoors

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or playing video games, maybe a pick up football game

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in the neighborhood, just whatever really tickled their fancy. We

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know what happens in summertime, you know, kids chill and

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they try to make their own entertainment. But nothing really

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was going on in Thornton, nothing worth screaming from the mountaintops,

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especially in terms of national news coverage or anything like that.

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The overall crime rate there, for reference, is lower than

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the national average. And when I say that, I don't

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mean by like a percent or something. They this area

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performs better than seventy eight percent of major US cities.

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It's a good place to be, it's a great place

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to call home. So when Katie Zelmer met her boyfriend,

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his name was Jacoby, they were happy to spend their

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time together and to be around each other, so much

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so that they introduced their respective kids from previous relationships

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rather quickly. Once the relationship started. It was only like

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eight or nine months from what I understand that they

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had been dating. But the couple decided that they were

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going to move in together and they were going to

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cohabitate as a blended family. Now, they weren't married, and

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I'm not even sure, honestly if that talk was even

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on the table, but the situation worked out for them

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and they felt it was the best course of action

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for all of them and their kids included. So, as

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I said, Katie and Jacoby had their own respective children,

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but they did not have any kids together, so they

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were a blended family with a mix of both boys

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and girls. However, the children did not all live their

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full time with them, so they would go see their

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own other parent from time to time. So, for instance,

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Jacoby's daughter Kaya, she would alternate between her mom, Chantelle,

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and her dad's house. As you know, we're all familiar

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with this as shared custody situations become much more common

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in everyday life. So Kaya, let's talk about real quick.

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She was ten years old and she had just graduated

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from the fifth grade. That is right, y'all. Miss Thang

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was on her way to junior high. Do you remember

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being in fifth grade? Because I do, and I remember

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thinking I was so grown. You know, they would let

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us help the kindergarteners on the playground, and I thought

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I was just something. So you're moving on, You're going

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into junior high, and you know, Kaya is looking forward

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to everything that kids this age look forward to. But

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her graduation from fifth grade had made her family so proud,

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not only that she had done so well in school,

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but she even had given a speech at graduation, and

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that is huge for a young kid to get up

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and do, especially in front of others. I mean, if

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you poll people, they say the number one fear that

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people have is public speaking. But little Kaya, that girl

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had some spunk. She had taken her time, and she

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had written out her thoughts and giving listening to it,

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it just gave a peek into the young lady that

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was Blossom. I mean, before her family's very eyes. She

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wasn't a woman by any shot of the imagination, but

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she wasn't a little baby girl anymore. And with confidence

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and with poise, she gave her speech to the graduates

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and their families and her ending words of advice. I

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want to quote her for you. She said, quote, I

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want to say to all of the families, if you

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have younger kids, let them know that anything is possible

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and they can accomplish anything as long as they try.

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Trying is the best thing anyone can do. And while

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those words are obviously said in an age appropriate way,

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you know it sounds like something the way a ten

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year old would verbalize it. My god, that child was

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brilliant beyond her years. Because it takes courage just to try,

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it really does. It takes grit to do something new

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that you flat out may fail at. But when you

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try and when you don't whittrying, that is what makes

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somebody courageous. It's not the winning that is amazing, it's

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the perseverance and the process. I could not agree more

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with what little Kya wrote. Excellent speech, my girl, I

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am cheering you on for those words. So now it

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was summer and Kya was spending some time with her

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dad and at his house with Miss Katie and her kids.

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So they're all there and they're just enjoying their time together. Now,

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one thing about Kya was that she loved everything that

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the typical ten year old little girl did, things like squishies.

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My god, if you have kids, are y'all on the

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squishy train right now? Are y'all being told that you

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need to drive to certain stores because they have those

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special squishies, And oh my god, And then you get

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there and you pay fifteen frickin dollars for one squishy.

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I'm not complaining. I'm just saying I may or may

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not have a ten year old girl myself, but she

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loved these squishies. Kya loved Pokemon cards. Her favorite colors, y'all,

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teal and pink. If she could just plaster that everywhere,

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that would have been the color of choice. And she

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also was a goober and she loved funny kid shows

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and I love the word goober. My grandpa called me

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a goober, and that's good. That's a good thing to be.

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But she also really loved the concept of YouTube, and

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she had even started her own channel where she would

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debut her new Pokemon cards with excitement, and she would

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talk about her new squishies and it was just, you know,

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age appropriate content where she was showing off the things

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that she got. Matter of fact, listen, how cute she is.

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Listen here to the excitement in her voice in one

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of those very little videos.

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Okay, guys, what did I tell you? M Oh No,

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I didn't. I told you guys.

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Yeah, yeah, I told you guys.

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I was ordering or getting a Squishe package on the

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thirtieth and it's the thirtieth and I ordered my squish package.

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It'll be here in seven to nine days. I know

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that's a lot, but thirty squishies is worth it, so.

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I ordered them.

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I got a thirty piece and a random and warm

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just like Okay, I will open it. Oh my gosh,

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I just can't wait. I just oh, I just want

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it so bad. Okay, that's all I wanted to tell you, guys,

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and I hope you joined a short video. Oh see

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you in my next video, bye bye.

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Didn't she sweet?

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Y'all?

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Wasn't that just the cutest And she's got her little

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hand over her mouth when she went, oh, I'm so excited,

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just pure happiness, simple joy and low key. I gotta

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tell y'all, she looked like a younger version of her mama.

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You could tell that she definitely took after her mom

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in terms of the looks department. So I know you're

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also dying to know, but that squishy delivery she was

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waiting on was delayed, but when the shipment came in,

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she got the one that she was wanting, so it

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was worth the weight, and you deserve to know that.

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Which one did she get? She got the Lovecake squishy

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and my god, it literally smelled like cake. She made

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a video update about it and it had the perfect

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squish to hand size ratio and she was just like

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over the moon, super excited if you know, you know

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my friends. But on June the seventh, Kaya found herself

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in a bit of a predicament. Some of her prized

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Pokemon cards had gotten messed up. Not cool. While rough

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housing and arguing and doing all of the things that

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young kids do. Miss Katie's son Aiden had thrown one

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of her packs of cards and bent them, messed them up,

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and you all know this. It's like it's like a

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baseball card or something like that. You don't want your

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cards bent up. You don't mess up your cards. And

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so Kya was aggravated because why you have to mess

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up my things was kind of her thing. Here go back,

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what's up your own stuff? That wasn't very nice. Why

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are you throwing my cards? So after they squabbled a

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little bit, and she showed him exactly what had happened

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to her cards. Aidan was sorry about it, okay, all right, look,

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I'm sorry.

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He was.

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He was only fifteen years old himself, y'all. So he

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didn't have money to replace the cards that he had

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messed up. But he was like, all right, look, I

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didn't mean to mess him up whatever. He did, however,

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have a plan that he came up with that could

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solve both of their problems. They could go down to

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the Walgreens and they could get her some more brilliant

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let me replace what I have messed up. But the

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thought here was kind of like, I thought, you don't

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have any money, Aidan, how are you gonna buy me

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more cards? And to this, he said, well, you're right,

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I don't have any money, but I have hands and

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I have a sweatshirt, and so I'll just steal you some.

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It's not a big deal and you'll be happy and

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I won't get in trouble. So let's just do that.

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So when he explained his plan to her, she was like, fine,

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what else, okay, And so the kids set off from

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the house and they were walking to the nearby Walgreens

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to affect this plan. Now, before they left, Aidan did

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tell his twin brother where they were going, the location

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at least, you know, we're going to Walgreens before they

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set out on foot on their journey. Now, it was

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about seven pm, and so they should have been back

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in about forty five minutes or so, maybe an hour,

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just depending on how fast they were walking. So as

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they got past dusk and dark actually began to fell,

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Miss Katie became very alarmed that both of them were

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not back home yet, and so she spoke to Aiden's

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twin brother and realized what their location was supposed to

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be or where they were heading to. And so she

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jumped in her car and she went out to look

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for them, maybe to find them. Now, before she left

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the actual house, she did walk around, She went nearby,

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she looked, you know, in the locations. They might have

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been in the backyard or whatever, but she didn't find them.

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She even went out further into the neighborhood. Maybe they're,

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you know, between two other houses or something like that,

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other places they may frequent, but again no sightings of them.

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They were not there. And so the stress level in

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her was raised considerably and that's when she jumped in

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her car and she headed towards the store. Now, they left,

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like I told you, around seven pm, but it was

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now well past eight o'clock. So when she arrived, she

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got out, she went in the store. She's looking up

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and down the aisles, moving faster and faster as she's

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you know, not seeing them as she's clearing each and

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every aisle. But when she went through all of them,

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they weren't there. They weren't in the bathroom either, they

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weren't in the parking lot, they weren't anywhere. And so

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panic really began to set in as she frantically checked

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other nearby stores that the kids may have gone to.

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Maybe they changed their mind, maybe they went to this

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other location for whatever they were going to get. But

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no matter how many times she ran in and came

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out of these nearby stores, she came out alone and

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the realization hit that the kids were gone. They were

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not in the local area. They just weren't there. And

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making it worse was that neither one of the kids

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had a cell phone either, so it wasn't like you

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could just ring them up and see where they were

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or do a like three sixty year check locations. And

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you know, when I was little. I know the story

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isn't about me, but I just have to interject this here.

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When I was little, I used to do that thing

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to my mom where I would hide in the racks

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of clothing or whatever at Walmart. And one time when

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she was calling for me, I just wasn't answering. I

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was being a little turd and it took a minute

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for her to find me. But when she got a

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hold of me, the look in her eyes, I know

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I was getting fussed at and I started to cry,

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but the look in her eye was sheer terror. Whenever

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she thought she could not find me. They even called

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me over the loud speaker at the Walmart. And if

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you're local, it was the one that used to be

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on Oneal Lane, but not where it is now. It's

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where the Highbby lobby or the old hobby lobby. Was

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the look in her eyes I'll never forget because she said,

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you scared me. I'm not mad at you, because you

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know you hid I'm scared, and I'm scared. So it

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scared me so bad. I thought someone took you and

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I would never see you again. And so when I'm

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thinking about this. It's just terrifying. They're gone out into

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the world. It's not like they were in a store.

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They're gone out into the world and she can't find

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So Miss Katie returned back to the house and now

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that everyone basically had been looking for them and everyone

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was on board, we can't find them. They're not here.

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That's when she dialed nine to one one and was

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asking for help. We can't find the kids. It's dark.

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This is not normal. So officers were dispatched to the

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home and they arrived very very quickly and took down

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the information to make the initial report, as other units

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that were in the area were told, we need you

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patrolling over here, looking up and down and see if

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you can locate these kids. Even with police help, multiple

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officers looking the kids weren't found and time continued to tick,

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so police began knocking on doors. They were talking to neighbors,

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and Miss Katie was still in the midst of talking

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to police when her cell phone rang. It was Jacoby

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on the other line. He had gone out to assist

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with searching for the kids, when, as luck would have it,

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thank you God, he came upon Aiden walking towards the

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house and so just ultimate relief. Oh my god, thank

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god you found him, he said, yeah, he told Aiden

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get in the truck. Aidan jumped in the truck. He said,

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where's Kaya and she said he said, she was lagging

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behind me. So I'm not quite sure where she is,

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but she was taking longer than I was to get

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back home. So Miss Katie says, oh, thank god, keep going,

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let's find Kaya. But I'll update the officers that we

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at least have Aiden. This was a huge relief. Okay,

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one child was found, but it was late, and we

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can all agree that a young girl specifically out on

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her own at night and it's now like the midnight hour.

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That ain't good. That's not good for anybody. So a

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few minutes later, Jacoby pulled up and dropped Aiden back

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off at the house and then he goes back out

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to go look for Kaya and where she may be.

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So Aiden starts talking to the police and they're asking

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him questions. He really didn't have much information to give

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them though. He said they had gone to get Pokemon cards.

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They were walking back home from the Walgreens whenever she

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started to really lag behind and wasn't keeping up, and

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so he wasn't gonna lolligag. You know, she's a girl,

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and she couldn't keep up whatever. He was going to

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make it back to the house. And obviously that's not bright.

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The kids should have stayed together, but kids are kids,

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and they don't always make the best decisions. Another issue

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complicating things was that it had been raining pretty hard

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that evening and they had tried to stop getting soaked. Okay,

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so the area where they were walking back from had

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trees and there was overgrowth, and so at one point

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he said, we stopped together underneath this, you know, these

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limbs and like this brush and stuff, because we didn't

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want to get soaked in the rain. But eventually it

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was kind of like they decided that they were just

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going to make a run for it and come back

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towards the house. So the search continued, and Aiden fully

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expected her to be back home, you know, soon they

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found him, so they're going to get her. But time

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continued to pass, I mean hours continued to pass, and

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the reality was that she was not coming home. She

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wasn't No one was pulling up with her, she wasn't there.

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So police decided to bring the family down to the

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station to get them out of the home environment and

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the stress and the chaos of that and to really

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focus on questions and answers about the last few hours

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and what had gone on. And the family was very open,

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very willing to help, and they agreed to answer any questions.

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They gave permission for the kids, any of the kids,

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to be questioned anything that they could do to find

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kaya no problem, we need we need help. So Aidan

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obviously was the last one to physically see her, so

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his account of their last moments would be very crucial

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because even the small details that kids don't latch onto

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needed to be discussed because it could it could open

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up to something that as a kid he's not realizing

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could mean a lot and every you know, Aidan was

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everything you would expect from a fifteen year old boy,

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a thin, squeaky voiced teen with no concept whatsoever of

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how serious this issue was. It's like he didn't get

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get it, you know, Like I know they weren't actual

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brother and sister, but for the case of storytelling, I'll

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call him brother and sister. But to him, it was

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more like my little sister was dumb for getting lost,

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and you know, I don't she should have just kept

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up with me, and he was having to repeat everything

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from the past few hours over and over. But y'all, seriously,

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it was critical anything anything he saw or heard or

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that that was said. Police needed all of it down

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to the minutia. But there was really nothing more that

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he added that would do give any big breaks in

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the case. He told them she loved Pokemon. I threw

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her cards. I had messed up the cards. She got

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upset with me. Now he would eventually be honest and say, okay, look,

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we were going to go steal the cards. Okay, that's

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scary for a kid to be number one of the

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police department, but then to also have to admit, all right,

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I was going to steal something. He didn't really want

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to come off of that at first, but his mother

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was very clear to just tell the whole truth, be honest.

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It doesn't matter. Okay, that is irrelevant in retrospect. We

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don't care. We just need to find kaya. So just

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be truthful, tell the whole truth, beyond honest. So everyone

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at this point, everyone else at least, is out looking

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for her on foot. Big police presence canines were even

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brought in to try to track her down. Volunteers. Everyone

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was searching for Kaiya and time was continuing to pass.

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By this point, the sun was now back up, it

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was morning again, and there was still no word from

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the little girl. So detectives weren't sure necessarily if this

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was an abduction. But for sure, we know that people

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don't just disappear. Something happens to them. And so Aiden

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even was asked, okay, draw a map for us, so

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that we can at least track where you were walking

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and where she was last seen. He grabbed the pencil

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and he starts drawing the map for detectives, which outlined

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exactly the route and the trails, if you will, that

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they had taken. And so they would take that map

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and they would try to go drum up some camera

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footage from the location that Aidan had described them walking.

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Police had even asked neighbors if they had any security

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cameras that could possibly be reviewed, but again those neighbors

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said they didn't. They didn't have anything that would have

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picked that up. So pulling the security footage from Walgreens

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would however, prove extremely useful because, just as Aidan had said,

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the two were seen walking up to the store and

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then they walked in. You know, there's automatic doors opening up,

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and there were two customers that were checking out right

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there to their right, and Aidan is dressed in his

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jeans and that gray hoodie Kaya was right behind him.

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The video footage was very good and so they could

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tell that she was in her her Bronco shirt sporting

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manning of course number eighteen. And so when they got

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to where the Pokemon cards were, they ran into a

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bit of an issue. So due to increaseed theft, which

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if you've been out and about anytime yourself, even Walmart,

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I'll bring that up again. They've started to put things

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behind those plastic locking cages or whatever because of theft. Well,

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the Pokemon cards were now being put behind that any

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theft glass, and so he couldn't just grab them like

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they would have been able to in time past. So

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this made their heist just impossible. He couldn't do it.

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There was no way they would have to get somebody

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involved that worked there, and he wasn't going to do that.

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But not to give up completely. On coming back empty handed,

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Aiden and Kya went over to the candy aisle, where

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he loaded his sweatshirt with candy before they left out

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without paying. Of course, just about ten minutes later now

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when they walk out the doors, you can still see them.

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Kya looked like she threw something away in the trash

466
00:25:57.920 --> 00:25:59.920
can that was right outside of the doors before. They

467
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:02.640
then went to the right and out of the frame

468
00:26:03.039 --> 00:26:07.039
of the camera, and they had gone that direction specifically

469
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:10.000
because Aiden told police the two had decided to go

470
00:26:10.039 --> 00:26:13.440
try another store location that was nearby to see if

471
00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.119
they could get cards there. So at least with this footage,

472
00:26:16.160 --> 00:26:20.119
police were able to solidify her last known clothing for

473
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:24.200
sure what she was wearing and her look could be

474
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:28.240
accurate and up to date. With that information, police went

475
00:26:28.319 --> 00:26:31.359
ahead and they issued an Amber alert for Kaya, be

476
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:34.279
on the lookout. Her name is Kaya Campbell, five foot four,

477
00:26:34.480 --> 00:26:37.359
blue eyes, one hundred and fifty pounds, ten years old,

478
00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:42.119
last seen wearing a Bronco shirt and blue pants. But

479
00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:46.720
as they were walking, Aiden said that Kaya got thirsty

480
00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:50.920
and the house obviously was still in walking proximity, so

481
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.759
they changed course. Before they went to the other store,

482
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.079
they went back to the house for a few minutes,

483
00:26:56.359 --> 00:26:59.279
where they grabbed a backpack that they filled with some

484
00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.319
bottled water and they'd put some cups in there. Plus,

485
00:27:03.000 --> 00:27:05.200
the bag could kind of be useful for whatever they

486
00:27:05.200 --> 00:27:07.039
were about to go boost from the other store. Right,

487
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.319
I'm not saying Aiden said that, but just as an

488
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:14.160
outsider looking in booksack could be very useful. Now this

489
00:27:14.480 --> 00:27:17.480
was confirmed that this happened because while they were at

490
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:19.839
the house, they had spoken to Aiden's twin. They had

491
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:22.920
even given him some of the stolen candy before they

492
00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:25.839
left back out to go back to the other store,

493
00:27:26.119 --> 00:27:29.599
So the timeline was better secured by this knowledge, combined

494
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:34.519
with the security footage. Now everybody was on foot and

495
00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.119
out searching for her, while the police were continuing to

496
00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:41.960
run down any potential leads. But something that they just

497
00:27:42.000 --> 00:27:45.799
couldn't get past was the fact that Kaya was young. Okay,

498
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:49.599
she was only ten, but she wasn't dumb. Okay, she

499
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:54.039
wasn't too young or not able in the sense to

500
00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:58.079
know her parents' phone numbers. She knew her parents' numbers,

501
00:27:58.559 --> 00:28:02.160
and she was definitely that if she had gotten lost

502
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.000
and it got dark and overnight, that she could have

503
00:28:05.039 --> 00:28:07.400
gone into a nearby store to ask for help. If

504
00:28:07.440 --> 00:28:09.119
she had gotten lost or something. I mean, hell, she

505
00:28:09.160 --> 00:28:11.400
could have gone and knocked on someone's door. If she

506
00:28:11.519 --> 00:28:16.279
had to so the morning was now rolling by. It's,

507
00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:18.920
like I said, the next day, no sighting of her

508
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:22.519
at all, And it wasn't making sense because there was

509
00:28:22.559 --> 00:28:26.519
no direct evidence at least that the kids were followed

510
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:30.440
or that there was a kidnapping that may have occurred.

511
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.119
But on the same token, Kaya didn't have any friends

512
00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:36.960
in the area. She was visiting her dad. It wasn't

513
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.480
where she predominantly would have been, so it wasn't like

514
00:28:39.519 --> 00:28:42.519
she'd run off to a house of a friend and

515
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:46.400
was just not communicating with her family or something like that. Now,

516
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:49.920
in this area, it's important to note that, you know,

517
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:55.119
calls and communication for the entire area are still going

518
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:59.240
to be made to nine one one or to police officers,

519
00:28:59.559 --> 00:29:01.440
even if it's not in this specific area that I'm

520
00:29:01.440 --> 00:29:04.319
talking about. You know, there's other areas that there's still

521
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:06.880
going to be police presence and information given. And so

522
00:29:07.319 --> 00:29:10.839
there were multiple homes that had told police they heard

523
00:29:10.839 --> 00:29:14.759
a child scream out about eight forty five pm. This

524
00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:20.160
would have been the night before. But this information was

525
00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:24.400
more than a mile away from where Aiden and Kaya

526
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:27.839
had last been walking. So you're not going to discount

527
00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:30.799
the information, but it is way out of the way

528
00:29:31.319 --> 00:29:34.799
for a walking set of kids to have heard her,

529
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:37.799
you know, from these from these homes. So the question

530
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:39.839
was like, could this have been a scream from Kaya

531
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:43.960
being taken against her will? Or if that's the case,

532
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.079
she could be anywhere by now, no wonder we're not

533
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:48.559
finding her. And you know, if she had been forced

534
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.640
into a car or something, that raises more issues or

535
00:29:53.440 --> 00:29:55.799
was it even possible Maybe the kid's gotten a fight

536
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:58.400
while they were walking. They were already upset because of

537
00:29:58.440 --> 00:30:00.240
the Pokemon card she was, So did the get in

538
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:03.880
a fight? And maybe she ran away? Did she go

539
00:30:04.039 --> 00:30:08.000
a mile out of her way? The screaming wasn't clear

540
00:30:08.119 --> 00:30:11.440
enough to know what exactly was going on, but you

541
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:14.960
can't you can't deny that the location just wasn't correct.

542
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:19.599
So Aiden was still being questioned at this point, and

543
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:23.359
a lot was brought up about their relationship. Aidan and Kaya,

544
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.200
What was what was this about? They knew that the

545
00:30:26.279 --> 00:30:29.119
kids had known each other probably eight or nine months,

546
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:31.640
basically when their parents had first started dating, and so

547
00:30:31.680 --> 00:30:34.160
they asked him about their relationship. They said, was it

548
00:30:34.200 --> 00:30:37.440
good or was it bad? Was there any strain between y'all?

549
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:40.559
And Aidan said, I mean it was normal as far

550
00:30:40.599 --> 00:30:46.279
as I know it. I did get upset with her recently.

551
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:50.759
We did get in a fight because he was high, Okay,

552
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:54.640
he had been smoking some weed and she had told

553
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:57.920
basically on him or brought it up, and so he

554
00:30:57.960 --> 00:30:59.880
was getting in trouble. So he called her a p

555
00:31:00.720 --> 00:31:03.519
and he hurt her feelings and you know, that kind

556
00:31:03.559 --> 00:31:06.720
of thing had happened, but they had been on good

557
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.559
terms up since then. That was just like everyday fighting,

558
00:31:10.599 --> 00:31:13.160
I guess. They straight up asked him, have you ever

559
00:31:13.240 --> 00:31:16.640
hit kaya before or hurt her? And he looked at

560
00:31:16.640 --> 00:31:18.839
the cop kind of dumbfound He said, I've never hit

561
00:31:18.880 --> 00:31:22.079
a girl, any girl before. I've never hit a girl.

562
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:26.359
And so asking him about this wasn't just out of

563
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.480
the blue, okay, when like they were just randomly throwing

564
00:31:28.559 --> 00:31:31.559
questions at him, because there was a record of at

565
00:31:31.640 --> 00:31:34.400
least one nine to one one call at the home

566
00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:38.960
in the past, and it was surrounding Aiden because he

567
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:43.880
had been in trouble for some truancy issues. Truancy meaning

568
00:31:43.920 --> 00:31:45.680
like he wasn't going to school and he wasn't doing

569
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:47.559
exactly what he was supposed to do, and so his

570
00:31:47.720 --> 00:31:51.519
mother had called police in the past on Aiden specifically

571
00:31:51.839 --> 00:31:54.119
because he was acting up and there was talk about

572
00:31:54.160 --> 00:31:56.559
he had kicked over some trash cans and he was

573
00:31:56.640 --> 00:32:00.440
just being a belligerent little asshole basically, and so she

574
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.799
had called police. It wasn't something involving adults fighting or

575
00:32:05.880 --> 00:32:08.240
children being abused or anything like that. So, I mean

576
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:11.720
standard practice if if something happens at a home or

577
00:32:12.079 --> 00:32:13.880
where a kid goes missing or something, they're gonna look

578
00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:16.160
and see if there's a history at the house. So

579
00:32:16.240 --> 00:32:18.599
that was why they had asked that question to try

580
00:32:18.599 --> 00:32:24.000
to see if something had happened. But the rain in

581
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:28.119
the late hour of the previous night, that was of

582
00:32:28.240 --> 00:32:32.720
concern to both the police and Aiden as they talked

583
00:32:32.720 --> 00:32:38.200
through the prior knight's events. The rain could have brought

584
00:32:38.240 --> 00:32:41.359
about a lot of issues, you know, as far as

585
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:44.559
seeing her or if she had slipped or something along

586
00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:49.119
that line. But also the backpack was something that police

587
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:51.559
kind of brought into question two. And there was a

588
00:32:51.599 --> 00:32:55.160
reason for this as well, because Aiden and Kaya had

589
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:59.160
gotten in trouble before for what they called car popping,

590
00:32:59.759 --> 00:33:03.559
and basically that's they would walk around and they were

591
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.319
checking doors at night to see if they were locked

592
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.480
or not. And if it was open, they would steal

593
00:33:08.519 --> 00:33:11.960
stuff out of the cars. So they did have that

594
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.400
backpack with them, and considering they had done it before

595
00:33:15.440 --> 00:33:18.880
in the past, it wasn't out of the question. But

596
00:33:18.920 --> 00:33:22.400
when they raised this question to Aiden, his attention then

597
00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:24.519
turned to the fact that he was now being accused

598
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.920
of stealing. You know, there's a lot going on here

599
00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:29.720
in this room in a short period of time, and

600
00:33:29.720 --> 00:33:32.279
he was freaked out that he was being accused of

601
00:33:32.319 --> 00:33:36.519
stealing while his sister so to speak, Kaya was still missing.

602
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.200
And he was adamant, I already told you the truth.

603
00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:44.000
I told you we were going to steal Pokemon cards,

604
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:46.640
but we were not car popping. I was not stealing

605
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.480
from cars. I don't if I'm telling you the truth. Yes,

606
00:33:50.519 --> 00:33:52.440
we were going to steal Pokemon cards, but we didn't

607
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.240
get any because they were locked up. And the detectives

608
00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.200
are like, look, man, you were just the last person

609
00:33:57.200 --> 00:33:59.480
to see with her, so clearly we have to ask

610
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.079
you all of the questions, and even if you don't

611
00:34:02.119 --> 00:34:04.279
like what we're asking you, we have to to rule

612
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:08.239
you out. And so the conversation continued and they asked

613
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:11.199
him questions like, have you ever had homicidal thoughts, and

614
00:34:11.239 --> 00:34:17.800
he's like, no, never. So whenever he answers this question,

615
00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:22.280
he's like, are you accusing me of stealing and of

616
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:26.960
doing something to my to Kaya? Is that what's happening here?

617
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:30.079
And so the detective says, well, I mean, are you

618
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:31.119
worried about Kaya?

619
00:34:31.239 --> 00:34:31.480
Are you?

620
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.960
And he said, well, quite frankly, at this moment, I'm

621
00:34:33.960 --> 00:34:37.800
worried about myself. I'm worried about myself and Kaya. This

622
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:40.440
feels like I'm being attacked. I'm being accused of things

623
00:34:40.679 --> 00:34:45.480
that I haven't done, and like, this is weird. You know,

624
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:48.840
this is weird the direction that this has gone so

625
00:34:50.719 --> 00:34:53.840
as far as his family, and they were talking about, look,

626
00:34:53.840 --> 00:34:57.320
your family's really worried. Their their nerves are just wrecked.

627
00:34:57.360 --> 00:35:01.320
He says, me too, me too, you know, he said,

628
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:05.880
I'm not so nervous about Kaya not being found. I'm

629
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.840
more nervous about the fact that she's missing. And I

630
00:35:08.880 --> 00:35:11.599
would assume she's alone out there somewhere. She's got to

631
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:15.239
be scared, like we need to be finding her, not

632
00:35:15.400 --> 00:35:21.000
accusing me in this room. So they pressed him more

633
00:35:21.119 --> 00:35:23.679
about the walk, and they were talking about when they

634
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.880
went on to the second store and so Aiden said

635
00:35:26.960 --> 00:35:30.840
that they were walking fast because it was getting dark

636
00:35:31.280 --> 00:35:33.639
and he did not want to get in trouble because

637
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.039
he had already been in trouble based on those truancy

638
00:35:36.119 --> 00:35:39.960
problems that he had had in the past. So as

639
00:35:40.480 --> 00:35:42.880
night had started to fall when they were walking back

640
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.519
to not easily be seen because they were out too late,

641
00:35:47.039 --> 00:35:50.159
he said, we stayed on the darker side of the road.

642
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.280
So I'm assuming I don't know what the street lights

643
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.280
were or the moon or anything like that, but there

644
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.599
was obviously a more shaded or darkened side when they

645
00:35:57.599 --> 00:35:59.320
were walking, and so they kind of clung to that

646
00:36:00.079 --> 00:36:02.280
body would see them and they wouldn't get in trouble

647
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:05.119
if they were seen out so late. And that's whenever

648
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.639
it had started to get really cloudy, and now they

649
00:36:08.639 --> 00:36:11.800
were worried about this, you know, upcoming storm that was

650
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:15.960
going to hit them, so they took cover under some branches,

651
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.639
like some overgrowth and some branches from some trees. But

652
00:36:19.719 --> 00:36:22.400
it didn't start pouring right at that exact moment that

653
00:36:22.440 --> 00:36:25.519
they expected it would happen. So Kaya said, look, I

654
00:36:25.639 --> 00:36:27.400
just want to go back. I want to go back home.

655
00:36:27.719 --> 00:36:30.199
We can probably make it back before it starts to pour.

656
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:33.679
Aiden wanted to stay there for a minute to see

657
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:37.800
if because if it just busted wide open and started pouring,

658
00:36:38.079 --> 00:36:40.719
maybe they wouldn't get completely soaked. It would slack off,

659
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:43.400
and then they could get back to the house. Well,

660
00:36:43.440 --> 00:36:47.559
it did start raining, but they weren't getting saved by

661
00:36:47.559 --> 00:36:49.599
these branches obviously, I mean, they were getting wet, and

662
00:36:49.639 --> 00:36:51.760
so they all they both just started to head off

663
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.559
back towards the house. After all, he was in front,

664
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:57.639
she was behind him. They're making their way through the

665
00:36:57.719 --> 00:37:00.440
rain back to the house, and he said she was

666
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:03.920
just lagging behind me a little bit. And then at

667
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.039
one point when he looked back to see where she was,

668
00:37:07.920 --> 00:37:13.119
she wasn't there. Now, Kaya was not in you know,

669
00:37:13.199 --> 00:37:16.679
this big athletic child or anything like that. So the

670
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.639
thought that she may have been slower did make sense

671
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:23.079
that she might have been lagging behind. And so, like

672
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:26.719
I told you, Aiden carefully drew a matt for them

673
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:30.559
of where and he marked where he last saw her. Foresure,

674
00:37:31.199 --> 00:37:34.119
this is the spot that we were. He told them

675
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:36.920
that he had turned back at the point that he

676
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.760
realized that she wasn't right behind him, he turned back

677
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:42.000
and he went on, I'm going to say the word trail.

678
00:37:42.079 --> 00:37:45.159
I don't know that that's necessarily necessarily correct, like an

679
00:37:45.199 --> 00:37:49.719
official trail, but the trail he took when he went

680
00:37:49.760 --> 00:37:51.840
back to go look for her, he was calling out

681
00:37:51.880 --> 00:37:53.840
for her. He said, I wasn't like yelling at the

682
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:55.679
top of my lungs. He didn't want to alert people

683
00:37:55.960 --> 00:37:57.519
to where he was. But he's like, I'm going, you know,

684
00:37:57.639 --> 00:38:00.639
kaya kaya. And then at one point he came out

685
00:38:00.679 --> 00:38:02.519
and he saw l like some houses right there, and

686
00:38:02.519 --> 00:38:04.519
he's like, shit, you know, where did she go? But

687
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:07.360
she never would answer him. So it's raining, it's dark,

688
00:38:07.559 --> 00:38:11.480
and she's not answering him. So he said, I looked

689
00:38:11.480 --> 00:38:14.360
for like thirty minutes, you know, and I kept looking

690
00:38:14.400 --> 00:38:16.800
and I kept calling out for her, but she wouldn't

691
00:38:16.840 --> 00:38:19.400
answer me. And so he's like, well, I decided at

692
00:38:19.400 --> 00:38:20.519
that point, I mean, I got to go back to

693
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:22.880
the house. It's just getting later. And he was getting

694
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.519
very nervous about everything combined, so he, I mean, he

695
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:29.199
couldn't just stand there. What was I gonna do? I

696
00:38:29.239 --> 00:38:31.559
can't just stand there and she won't answer me. So

697
00:38:31.960 --> 00:38:33.840
he started walking back towards the house, and it was

698
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:37.719
about that time that mister Jacoby pulled up and said

699
00:38:37.719 --> 00:38:40.320
get in the car, and he took him to the house.

700
00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.320
And that's that's it. Like, there's nothing else that he

701
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.039
could give them now as far as being upset, he

702
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:49.400
was asked, you know, were y'all fighting in that moment?

703
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:51.800
He said, I don't think I made her mad or anything,

704
00:38:51.880 --> 00:38:54.480
but you know, she did get upset about stupid things.

705
00:38:55.039 --> 00:38:59.800
We argued about stupid things, but not then. We weren't fighting. Then,

706
00:38:59.840 --> 00:39:02.519
she wasn't mad. She didn't say anything about she wanted

707
00:39:02.559 --> 00:39:04.920
to run away. There was nothing like that going on.

708
00:39:05.719 --> 00:39:09.360
She had a great relationship with their parents. They had

709
00:39:09.400 --> 00:39:13.400
the typical dynamic of kids in a family. They would

710
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:17.519
joke and they would they would play. So this disappearance

711
00:39:17.960 --> 00:39:22.320
did not fit. And he didn't know what else to

712
00:39:22.360 --> 00:39:25.320
say or do. Y'all, he was fifteen years old. I

713
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:26.880
want to tell you too, that it had been a

714
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.480
long time now that he was being pressed and questioned.

715
00:39:29.599 --> 00:39:31.800
A long time. I mean overnight. You know, it's the

716
00:39:31.800 --> 00:39:34.719
next day and they're still questioning him. He was getting cranky,

717
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:38.480
he was tired, he was very visibly stressed. I mean, hell,

718
00:39:38.800 --> 00:39:40.840
he was still in the same clothing that he had

719
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:43.719
been wearing the night before when all of this started.

720
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.880
So they decided to give him a break and he

721
00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:49.679
laid his head down on the table in the room

722
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.239
to rest for a minute, to close his eyes, and

723
00:39:52.280 --> 00:39:55.880
to just relax for a second. So back out at

724
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:59.000
the search that's still going on. Canines were out there,

725
00:39:59.159 --> 00:40:03.559
not one, multiple k nines were out there, and oddly enough,

726
00:40:04.920 --> 00:40:07.800
none of them were able to pick up her scent.

727
00:40:08.760 --> 00:40:13.320
And that's weird. Multiple dogs unable to pick up a

728
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:17.880
scent that they're looking for just doesn't make sense. Maybe

729
00:40:18.480 --> 00:40:21.079
one dog, you know, could be having a problem that day,

730
00:40:21.119 --> 00:40:22.960
or didn't want to work, or wasn't doing whatever he

731
00:40:23.039 --> 00:40:25.559
was supposed to be doing. But when multiple dogs are

732
00:40:25.559 --> 00:40:29.199
not picking up a scent, that tells the handlers that

733
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.400
there's no scent there. It doesn't work like that. Okay,

734
00:40:33.480 --> 00:40:35.159
if they give the dog a cent, one of them's

735
00:40:35.159 --> 00:40:37.400
gonna pick it up if the scent was there to

736
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:41.679
be found. So looking further into the route that was

737
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.760
drawn of the kids and where they walked, the police

738
00:40:45.800 --> 00:40:51.280
realized something. Going back into the room where Aidan was,

739
00:40:52.039 --> 00:40:56.360
they told Aiden, look, man, we don't see you on

740
00:40:56.400 --> 00:41:02.000
the Walgreens store video like we needn't see we're on

741
00:41:02.039 --> 00:41:03.960
the video. Maybe you need to go check and the

742
00:41:04.039 --> 00:41:07.519
time is offer or something. Maybe we were at the Walgreens,

743
00:41:08.960 --> 00:41:14.119
but they say, no, man, not the first Walgreens that

744
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.440
you went to. You said that y'all went to a

745
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:23.400
second Walgreens or a second store, and they were seen

746
00:41:23.559 --> 00:41:30.119
heading that way on some security footage from other locations,

747
00:41:30.159 --> 00:41:34.679
but they were never seen on tape inside the actual

748
00:41:35.280 --> 00:41:40.719
second store. So, as this is being discussed and what happened,

749
00:41:41.360 --> 00:41:44.679
detectives that were talking to Ing made note that aiden

750
00:41:44.800 --> 00:41:48.960
shoes didn't have any mud on them. They didn't seemed

751
00:41:50.199 --> 00:41:55.079
dirty or messed up. And after a major storm that

752
00:41:55.159 --> 00:41:59.039
he described and walking through these paths and looking for her,

753
00:41:59.440 --> 00:42:02.199
it just didn't seem that his shoes would have been

754
00:42:02.400 --> 00:42:08.280
that clean. And so they noticed this and they're like, hm,

755
00:42:08.400 --> 00:42:12.599
that's kind of odd. But Aidan asks at that point

756
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:16.519
to end the questioning. He's like, I've answered you. I've

757
00:42:16.559 --> 00:42:20.360
told you everything I know, like seven million times. And

758
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:24.679
wherever Kaye is, she must be scared shitless and it's obvious.

759
00:42:25.679 --> 00:42:28.119
So she's somewhere she doesn't want to be because she

760
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:32.079
would have called. But I don't know where that is

761
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:34.880
I don't know what to tell you, and it seems

762
00:42:34.880 --> 00:42:37.920
like you're wasting time and you're focusing all your energy

763
00:42:37.960 --> 00:42:40.760
on me when we need to be looking for her.

764
00:42:41.239 --> 00:42:44.800
And that's when police decide that they're gonna they're gonna

765
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:48.840
pull out a bomb here, Okay, And I kind of

766
00:42:48.920 --> 00:42:51.199
chuckle when I say a bomb, because you're gonna know

767
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.440
what I mean when I say they decided that they

768
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.000
were going to bring Aiden's mom in and see if

769
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.639
maybe she could get him to think and say more.

770
00:42:59.719 --> 00:43:02.400
Because it's one thing to be a fifteen year old

771
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:04.960
talking to people you don't know, but when mama comes in,

772
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:10.880
that's different. So when mom enters the room, his demeanor

773
00:43:10.880 --> 00:43:16.920
completely changes. He becomes very very whiney, just whiny, whiny, whiny.

774
00:43:17.280 --> 00:43:19.880
He puts his head down on the table, he's mumbling

775
00:43:19.920 --> 00:43:23.719
a lot, and she looks at him and she's like, look, buddy,

776
00:43:24.119 --> 00:43:26.840
you know, let's be real here. You don't always make

777
00:43:26.880 --> 00:43:29.559
things easy for people. You're not always easy to get

778
00:43:29.599 --> 00:43:32.920
along with. You make the wrong decisions sometimes, and so

779
00:43:33.800 --> 00:43:36.440
we really need you to tell us everything, Bud. You've

780
00:43:36.440 --> 00:43:38.679
got to tell us. Did y'all do anything you weren't

781
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.880
supposed to do. Is it possible that maybe she's scared,

782
00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:44.280
and she's scared she's going to be in trouble. Maybe

783
00:43:44.280 --> 00:43:47.599
she's hiding somewhere. Come on, man, like, talk to us.

784
00:43:47.639 --> 00:43:51.519
There's got to be something that you're not saying. And

785
00:43:51.679 --> 00:43:55.440
that's what he tells his mom. Y'all know that we

786
00:43:55.440 --> 00:43:58.960
were out doing something wrong. We were stealing the Pokemon cards.

787
00:43:59.519 --> 00:44:02.440
Y'all know, Oh this I told you. And the emotional

788
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:06.000
toll really starts to get to Aiden at this point,

789
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.599
and his mom could tell. She could tell that he

790
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:10.400
was starting to lose it. It had been a long time,

791
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.360
and so she asked him, do you need a hug, buddy?

792
00:44:12.519 --> 00:44:15.159
Do you need a hug? He said yes, and he's fifteen,

793
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.960
but he still gets out of his chair. He gets

794
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:21.800
into her lap and she just hugs on him like

795
00:44:21.920 --> 00:44:25.800
any loving mother would do. He's still her baby, and

796
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.320
you know, this is just a tragedy and it's scary.

797
00:44:28.400 --> 00:44:33.400
Still nobody knows what's going on. So with nothing moving

798
00:44:33.440 --> 00:44:37.760
the investigation forward, the police are like, look, you know,

799
00:44:38.519 --> 00:44:40.800
we don't have anything else to go off of. We're

800
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.039
gonna go ahead and take his clothes and we want

801
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:48.079
to swab him for DNA and kind of see where

802
00:44:48.079 --> 00:44:50.480
we can go from here. And Aiden's bomb. Of course,

803
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:52.760
she gave consent and all of that. So while they're

804
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:55.079
waiting for that to happen, he asks his mom, why

805
00:44:55.119 --> 00:44:57.360
do they need my clothes? Mama, I don't have to

806
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.360
give up my clothes, and she tells him to look

807
00:44:59.360 --> 00:45:03.440
for blood or anything like that, and he's like, okay,

808
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:06.679
but I mean I've told them everything. I've told them everything,

809
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:10.599
I've drawn their maps, I've done everything, and now they're

810
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:13.039
gonna take my clothes. You know, it's kind of immature,

811
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:16.039
but he's fifteen, and that's it. Just it is what

812
00:45:16.039 --> 00:45:19.840
it is. So as they continue talking, he's like, look,

813
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:22.559
can I just talk to different officers, ones who aren't

814
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:25.079
going to come in here and accuse me and continue

815
00:45:25.079 --> 00:45:26.920
to make me feel like I've done something wrong? Can

816
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:29.480
I get an officer that will actually listen to me?

817
00:45:30.599 --> 00:45:32.880
You know, I'll do anything. I just don't like these guys.

818
00:45:32.920 --> 00:45:36.559
Basically they keep accusing me. So they make a change

819
00:45:36.840 --> 00:45:41.440
and they bring in a female officer and she said

820
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:43.760
something that kind of tickled me. She says, look, I'm

821
00:45:43.840 --> 00:45:45.880
you know, I'm here to I'm gonna come do a

822
00:45:45.880 --> 00:45:48.280
polygraph man. You know, let's do a lot of detector tests,

823
00:45:48.320 --> 00:45:50.079
you know, if you don't want to be accused, and

824
00:45:50.199 --> 00:45:52.360
I'm your girl, and those are her exact words, and

825
00:45:52.360 --> 00:45:55.199
that kind of tickled me obviously, because if you're easily offended,

826
00:45:55.199 --> 00:45:57.800
then I'm not your girl. But she said, I'm your girl. Okay,

827
00:45:57.800 --> 00:45:59.880
I'm gonna do a polygraph test. I'm not here to you.

828
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:03.199
And if you don't want to take this test, you

829
00:46:03.239 --> 00:46:05.079
don't have to. I want to be very clear about that.

830
00:46:05.480 --> 00:46:08.360
And Aiden was like, I'll do the test, I'll do anything,

831
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:12.360
but I'm just tired. I want to leave. I'm over this,

832
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.719
you know, I don't. This is not helping me, and

833
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:18.920
I'm tired, and she says, no problem. Well, before they

834
00:46:18.960 --> 00:46:21.679
get started with the polygraph test, she's got to kind

835
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:24.159
of get some baseline understanding of how he operates, and

836
00:46:24.199 --> 00:46:26.719
so she asks him, all right, tell me how you're doing.

837
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.320
And he's honest. He says, look, I'm pissed. I'm pissed now.

838
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:32.119
I mean I keep being accused and I'm not getting

839
00:46:32.159 --> 00:46:37.639
to leave. And he says that he does have he's

840
00:46:37.679 --> 00:46:41.400
been in a mental health hospital before, and she goes,

841
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:44.039
you have and he said, yeah, and why were you there?

842
00:46:44.079 --> 00:46:46.559
And he lists it off. You know, I have ADHD,

843
00:46:46.639 --> 00:46:50.559
they say, I have an emotional disorder depression, anger, and

844
00:46:51.079 --> 00:46:54.880
life's been pretty bad for me the last couple of years.

845
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.920
I've had to deal with too much. And he said,

846
00:46:57.960 --> 00:47:00.320
you know, there's been at least four years of me

847
00:47:00.400 --> 00:47:04.320
going to constant therapy and meetings and stress at our house.

848
00:47:04.679 --> 00:47:07.039
I never get a break. I never get a break.

849
00:47:07.599 --> 00:47:11.719
But now in recent time, he said, I'm doing I'm

850
00:47:11.760 --> 00:47:14.599
just doing. I've been doing better, you know, and now

851
00:47:14.639 --> 00:47:16.800
here i am getting accused of something again and I'm

852
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.559
doing better well. As they're talking about this and they're

853
00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:22.400
getting ready to start the test. Outside of the room,

854
00:47:23.079 --> 00:47:26.840
CPS reports were being reviewed. This is Child Protective Services

855
00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:31.920
Social Services, because there were reports there and social services

856
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.760
those reports were backing up again what Aiden was saying,

857
00:47:36.119 --> 00:47:41.199
including his history of anger and outbursts, and the fact

858
00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:42.639
that you know that the mom had called nine one

859
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:48.159
one because of his behavior. But what was somewhat wild

860
00:47:48.199 --> 00:47:54.320
to them in this specific case. This social worker specifically

861
00:47:54.320 --> 00:47:59.119
who worked on this case was personally shocked that Aiden

862
00:47:59.400 --> 00:48:02.559
was allowed to be alone with a ten year old

863
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:06.840
without any supervision, and so police are like, wait, you're

864
00:48:06.840 --> 00:48:10.480
that You're that worried about it, and she, I say, she,

865
00:48:10.639 --> 00:48:11.639
that was just I don't know if it was a

866
00:48:11.639 --> 00:48:14.519
he or she, but the social worker felt like the

867
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:19.920
representation of things being better in social worker's opinion was

868
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:23.800
just not accurate and that you know, she would not

869
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.199
have allowed that if if she were in charge of

870
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:31.159
the family. So back in the room, while Aidan's maintaining

871
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:35.039
that he was doing better and he was controlling, you know,

872
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.039
his outbursts and all of that, he also said that

873
00:48:37.119 --> 00:48:40.519
he uh never wanted to take the medication that he

874
00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.039
was being prescribed, and so he had been off of

875
00:48:43.079 --> 00:48:46.159
it for four or five months, and he did admit

876
00:48:46.239 --> 00:48:48.719
to this woman, I have been drinking, I have been

877
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:52.599
smoking weed, and he admitted. And my mom even called

878
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:54.800
the police on me because I kicked over a trash

879
00:48:54.800 --> 00:48:57.519
bag and I was being disrespectful to the family. What

880
00:48:57.679 --> 00:48:59.719
I'm trying to point out here is that everything Aiden

881
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:04.159
said ed was being aligned by or confirmed by the

882
00:49:04.199 --> 00:49:09.039
reports and everything. So outside of all of this, there's

883
00:49:09.079 --> 00:49:12.840
a school called Skyview Elementary and that's where the command

884
00:49:12.920 --> 00:49:16.639
post or incident command was set up to really coordinate

885
00:49:16.639 --> 00:49:20.119
the efforts that were still going on out there. Droves

886
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:22.760
of people showed up to assist in these search efforts.

887
00:49:22.840 --> 00:49:25.440
Media was out there. This was pretty big, even though

888
00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:30.360
it was just the next day. And so Aiden is

889
00:49:30.400 --> 00:49:33.239
asked by this new female officer once again to recount

890
00:49:33.280 --> 00:49:36.079
the story of what happened the last time that he

891
00:49:36.159 --> 00:49:39.679
saw Kaya, which he did, and then right before the

892
00:49:39.760 --> 00:49:42.360
test was to start, he asked to use the bathroom.

893
00:49:42.880 --> 00:49:44.400
She's like, sure, go do what you gotta do, man.

894
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:46.559
So he goes to the bathroom and when he gets

895
00:49:46.639 --> 00:49:50.760
back in the room, he says, all right, I want

896
00:49:50.760 --> 00:49:53.159
to tell the full truth because I've left something out

897
00:49:54.679 --> 00:49:57.239
you did, Okay, please do because we really would like

898
00:49:57.280 --> 00:50:00.480
to find her. And he admitted that he didn't actually

899
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:04.800
like lose her. While they were walking, he said I

900
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:09.920
left her on purpose, okay, And he said she had

901
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:14.880
started getting really annoying while they were walking. She was whiny.

902
00:50:15.280 --> 00:50:16.920
She was kept going on and on and on and

903
00:50:16.920 --> 00:50:18.639
by the fact that she didn't get her Pokemon cards

904
00:50:18.639 --> 00:50:19.960
and that he was supposed to get her the cards

905
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:21.880
and blah blah blah blah blah. And so he's like,

906
00:50:21.920 --> 00:50:23.599
I just wanted to get away from her because she

907
00:50:23.639 --> 00:50:26.159
was getting on my nerves. She was annoying me. And

908
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:28.400
so he's like, I just broke off from her and

909
00:50:28.480 --> 00:50:31.840
I went my own way because I figured that she

910
00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:33.559
was smart enough to find her way back home and

911
00:50:33.599 --> 00:50:35.639
I didn't think I needed to escort her the whole way.

912
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.440
She's like, okay, well, okay, that's different then, so she

913
00:50:39.440 --> 00:50:44.239
didn't just disappear y'all separated. So Aiden really starts losing

914
00:50:44.280 --> 00:50:48.679
it emotionally by this point, and so the female detective

915
00:50:48.760 --> 00:50:50.760
leaves the room and he's in there for fifteen or

916
00:50:50.760 --> 00:50:55.119
twenty more minutes by himself, and watching him on the tape,

917
00:50:55.360 --> 00:50:57.559
you can see him just going through the throes of

918
00:50:57.760 --> 00:51:01.800
what looks like an all out emotional breakdown. He go

919
00:51:02.119 --> 00:51:04.559
just his head's in his hands, he's kind of rocking

920
00:51:04.599 --> 00:51:08.519
at points, and he's just really falling apart. So the

921
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:10.880
female detective comes back in and she says, look, buddy,

922
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:13.519
look at me, Look at my face. We aren't gonna

923
00:51:13.559 --> 00:51:16.920
do the polygraph test. Okay, We're just not gonna do it.

924
00:51:17.199 --> 00:51:20.039
You're falling apart here, And so he does seem to

925
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:23.719
feel or show just a hair of relief when she

926
00:51:23.719 --> 00:51:25.320
says we're gonna we're gonna back off, and we're not

927
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:30.480
gonna do the polygraph test, she says. It turns out

928
00:51:30.639 --> 00:51:33.400
that there was a family that was taking a walk

929
00:51:33.639 --> 00:51:38.920
and they called nine one one and they found Kaya.

930
00:51:39.119 --> 00:51:43.000
Oh good, right, oh yay, finally we found her. And

931
00:51:43.119 --> 00:51:49.760
that's when the detective is like, no, she's dead. They

932
00:51:49.800 --> 00:51:54.599
found her body. So when this family had called into

933
00:51:54.639 --> 00:51:56.320
nine one one and said we think that we found

934
00:51:56.360 --> 00:51:59.000
the girl, it was for a second like, oh, great, great,

935
00:51:59.039 --> 00:52:03.159
where is she? But the gentleman that called was kind

936
00:52:03.159 --> 00:52:05.960
of stuttering a little bit, stammering slightly, and he's like, no,

937
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:09.760
she's face down and she's in she's in a ditch

938
00:52:10.440 --> 00:52:13.480
and her her and he's like he can't quite he

939
00:52:13.480 --> 00:52:14.840
doesn't know how to verbalize it, and he's like in

940
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:20.920
her panties are gone, her clothing is removed. So police

941
00:52:20.920 --> 00:52:23.679
and medics rush over to where she is. But when

942
00:52:23.679 --> 00:52:26.119
they get there, they do find, in fact that she

943
00:52:26.400 --> 00:52:30.480
is dead. Ten year old Kaya would not be coming

944
00:52:30.559 --> 00:52:35.920
back home. Not only that, but the body, her body

945
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:39.360
was more than a mile away from where Aidan had

946
00:52:39.480 --> 00:52:43.079
last seen her. So when the news is broken to

947
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:49.199
him that she was found, but she's dead. Aiden's emotional

948
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:54.519
reaction to those words was that he fell apart, like collapsed,

949
00:52:54.760 --> 00:52:59.679
fell apart. She's dead, she's dead. What happened? What happened?

950
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:02.719
Tell me what happened. But he doesn't get the answers

951
00:53:02.760 --> 00:53:05.679
that he wants at that moment, because it is pretty

952
00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:09.960
clear right then that the police now believe that he

953
00:53:10.079 --> 00:53:13.960
was the one who did it. And so he's like,

954
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.440
you think I did something to her? You think I

955
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:20.480
hurt her. I left her. I told you, I told

956
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:23.039
you I left her. And he's like, I don't want

957
00:53:23.039 --> 00:53:25.119
to talk anymore. I just I want to be myself.

958
00:53:25.159 --> 00:53:29.280
I want my mom. Please give me my mom. Well,

959
00:53:29.320 --> 00:53:33.639
the audio of this was recorded, and so what I'm

960
00:53:33.679 --> 00:53:35.320
gonna do is I'm gonna go ahead and let you

961
00:53:35.400 --> 00:53:38.440
listen to a portion of this audio for yourself.

962
00:53:38.800 --> 00:53:40.960
I want to not talk.

963
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:45.440
I wanna I want to be by myself. I want

964
00:53:45.599 --> 00:53:49.360
you guys leave me alonver a little bit.

965
00:53:50.679 --> 00:53:51.920
Do you want to talk to your mom?

966
00:53:52.800 --> 00:54:05.599
Yes, yes, I'm willing to, like say everything that I

967
00:54:05.880 --> 00:54:11.559
like about But I didn't her. I don't. I don't

968
00:54:11.599 --> 00:54:15.599
know why I would want her, Why would I do that?

969
00:54:17.840 --> 00:54:24.840
I just I don't people but murderers.

970
00:54:25.280 --> 00:54:30.519
That's that's crazy to kill someone. Maybe that makes you

971
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:32.239
a terrible person.

972
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:40.079
Why like killing someone that's just so bad. I don't

973
00:54:40.159 --> 00:54:41.519
want my wont.

974
00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:50.800
Now listening to this, I can't help but feel like

975
00:54:50.960 --> 00:54:54.920
either the news had already been broken to his mom

976
00:54:55.039 --> 00:55:00.039
about Kaya being found before she entered, or she he

977
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:06.079
did not realize yet that what Aiden was saying was accurate,

978
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.320
and maybe she was just listening to him thinking he

979
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.559
was upset, you know, about being accused of doing something

980
00:55:11.559 --> 00:55:15.000
to her. And I say this because Miss Katie was

981
00:55:15.079 --> 00:55:19.400
calmer than I would have expected. But again, people react differently.

982
00:55:19.719 --> 00:55:22.000
But I just wanted to interject that here to let

983
00:55:22.039 --> 00:55:25.280
you know my thoughts at this point.

984
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:26.239
What's going on?

985
00:55:26.519 --> 00:55:28.599
They SAYAM killed her?

986
00:55:29.039 --> 00:55:34.599
What they think I killed her? They found a body

987
00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:44.880
and they said I killed her? But I just loved

988
00:55:44.920 --> 00:55:45.960
her on purpose.

989
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:47.960
You left her on purpose?

990
00:55:50.440 --> 00:55:58.199
She was being annoying. She wouldn't saying what she wanted

991
00:55:58.519 --> 00:55:59.519
from the stories.

992
00:55:59.559 --> 00:56:02.079
You wouldn't stop being annoying.

993
00:56:02.639 --> 00:56:04.519
They think I killed her?

994
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:13.159
Whom Mom? I think I killed her? What's gonna happen

995
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:22.960
to me? What's gonna happen? So just listening to this y'all,

996
00:56:22.960 --> 00:56:28.039
it's just simply heartbreaking to hear this, considering all of

997
00:56:28.079 --> 00:56:32.119
the unknowns in that moment, but also the reality that

998
00:56:32.400 --> 00:56:37.360
Kaya was really dead. You know, that's difficult to listen to.

999
00:56:37.519 --> 00:56:41.079
And so miss Katie is now on the floor at

1000
00:56:41.079 --> 00:56:44.199
this point, and Aiden just kind of crawls and falls

1001
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:48.199
into her arms on the floor, and he cries out,

1002
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.679
you know, asking how is she killed? And and he

1003
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.000
figured that she would have contacted how to get home

1004
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:56.800
by now. I left her, but I thought that she

1005
00:56:56.840 --> 00:56:59.760
would she would make her way back home. But I

1006
00:56:59.760 --> 00:57:03.960
could I couldn't help but feel in watching and listening

1007
00:57:03.960 --> 00:57:07.400
to everything that was going on as this took place,

1008
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:13.599
that his mom didn't seem to believe him. Maybe that

1009
00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:17.400
now at this point was the reason for why she

1010
00:57:17.480 --> 00:57:21.840
was being so calm in that moment. She didn't say

1011
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:23.920
I don't believe you. I want to be clear, but

1012
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:26.760
I don't know, man. It just didn't seem like she

1013
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:30.559
believed completely what he was saying. And then he tells her,

1014
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:32.320
I don't want to talk to anyone anymore. I think

1015
00:57:32.519 --> 00:57:35.800
we need a lawyer or something. But his mom continues

1016
00:57:35.840 --> 00:57:39.519
to talk to talk to him very calmly and she's

1017
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:43.280
She's saying, you know, this is terrible. Kaya's life was

1018
00:57:44.440 --> 00:57:47.199
just so short and this, you know, she didn't get

1019
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:50.840
to live long, and this is just, you know, a tragedy.

1020
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:54.239
And the nightmare that they thought that they were in

1021
00:57:54.239 --> 00:57:57.559
the middle of already was really just beginning for all

1022
00:57:57.599 --> 00:58:02.599
of the parents involved in this case. So why were

1023
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:05.559
police so focused on Aiden though? Because let's be real,

1024
00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:09.840
nothing I have said so far has been like a

1025
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:13.079
smoking gun or something, So we're the police being unfairer

1026
00:58:13.119 --> 00:58:16.280
and just really targeting him just because he was the

1027
00:58:16.400 --> 00:58:19.360
last person to be seen with her. Well, I gotta

1028
00:58:19.440 --> 00:58:22.519
jump in here and tell you that detectives aren't dumb, Okay.

1029
00:58:22.880 --> 00:58:26.599
They also don't ignore leads, no matter if they seem

1030
00:58:26.639 --> 00:58:29.480
to fit or not. And so the police had gone

1031
00:58:30.039 --> 00:58:34.519
and they had checked some Walmart surveillance video and they

1032
00:58:34.559 --> 00:58:38.360
did this in the area near where those screams of

1033
00:58:38.400 --> 00:58:43.440
a child had been heard by the multiple homeowners. And

1034
00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:49.360
guess what they saw Aiden and Kaya on those cameras.

1035
00:58:49.440 --> 00:58:55.719
Walking by the video that they just had seen confirmed

1036
00:58:55.719 --> 00:59:00.480
to them with certainty that the map Aiden had drawn

1037
00:59:00.840 --> 00:59:04.119
of where he last saw Kaya could not be correct,

1038
00:59:04.960 --> 00:59:09.159
and it wasn't an accident because they were more than

1039
00:59:09.199 --> 00:59:14.599
a mile in another direction than where Aiden said that

1040
00:59:14.679 --> 00:59:18.320
they were, and this meant that the crying boy with

1041
00:59:18.400 --> 00:59:21.800
a squeaky voice on the floor in his mom's arms

1042
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:28.920
had intentionally directed police to the wrong area. Kia's body

1043
00:59:29.039 --> 00:59:33.079
was found near that very location, a mile away from

1044
00:59:33.079 --> 00:59:36.840
where he said they were, more near that walmart, in

1045
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:42.519
a ditch under some brush, not anywhere close to where

1046
00:59:42.559 --> 00:59:47.000
Aidan had said that they were. No wonder his shoes

1047
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:52.760
weren't muddy. Concrete in a rainstorm wouldn't be muddy like

1048
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:55.119
the trails that he says that he was walking on.

1049
00:59:56.360 --> 00:59:59.519
So Aidan at this point would be taken away and

1050
00:59:59.519 --> 01:00:02.079
sent to the hospital where he would be given a

1051
01:00:02.199 --> 01:00:04.840
sexual assault exam. And I know someone right now is going, wait,

1052
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.079
what why is he getting a sexual assault exam? Hear

1053
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.920
me out. The police thought that he might be a

1054
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:14.159
perpetrator against Kaya, and so they wanted to go do

1055
01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:17.599
the sexual assault exam on him, but as the perpetrator.

1056
01:00:17.840 --> 01:00:19.719
So what they're gonna do is they're going to ask

1057
01:00:19.800 --> 01:00:23.719
him to disrobe over like a clean mat and it'll

1058
01:00:23.719 --> 01:00:26.920
catch any hair, fiber, debris, take all of his garments,

1059
01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:31.880
They do also swab for DNA. Now we know about

1060
01:00:32.079 --> 01:00:34.400
swabbing in the cheeks and all that kind of stuff,

1061
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:37.719
but on a male who is thought that they could

1062
01:00:37.719 --> 01:00:40.280
possibly be a suspect, They're not only going to swab

1063
01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:44.159
the mount, They'll swab the skin, any bite marks or

1064
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.599
areas where there might have been force full contact, and

1065
01:00:47.639 --> 01:00:52.360
this includes the shaft, the glands, and the scrotum of

1066
01:00:52.400 --> 01:00:54.639
the penis. Okay, so they're going to try to see

1067
01:00:55.519 --> 01:00:58.280
if there's any of her DNA there. They do fingernail scrapings,

1068
01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:02.239
they're gonna get head and pubic care from this person,

1069
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.480
and then obviously they may get urine samples or whatever,

1070
01:01:06.559 --> 01:01:10.320
depending on what the circumstance is. So any injuries on

1071
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:13.400
Aidan would have been documented at this point in the process.

1072
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:18.199
Well after the collection was done. Aiden was formally arrested

1073
01:01:18.920 --> 01:01:23.920
and days later charged with the murder. DNA tests came

1074
01:01:24.039 --> 01:01:31.480
back from Kaya's body and his DNA was recovered from

1075
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:34.559
her body. And what I can tell you is based

1076
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:39.239
on what I know about sexual assault testing and everything

1077
01:01:39.280 --> 01:01:42.440
I've just told you about where all they are swabbing,

1078
01:01:42.760 --> 01:01:48.199
you can likely deduce where that DNA was found as

1079
01:01:48.280 --> 01:01:51.320
far as Kaya's body is concerned. She was found on

1080
01:01:51.360 --> 01:01:55.159
the eighth of August. Her autopsy was performed on the ninth. Now,

1081
01:01:55.440 --> 01:01:59.480
they documented abrasions and bruises on her body. She had

1082
01:01:59.480 --> 01:02:02.119
a torn fingernail which was believed to be part of

1083
01:02:02.119 --> 01:02:06.639
a defensive wound. There were multiple abrasions. She had skull fractures,

1084
01:02:07.239 --> 01:02:10.960
bruises and contusions that on her skull were thought to

1085
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:17.079
be or documented to be circular in in in shape.

1086
01:02:17.400 --> 01:02:21.280
And the doctor put that she died as a result

1087
01:02:21.320 --> 01:02:25.199
of blunt force trauma. And they put with such an

1088
01:02:25.199 --> 01:02:30.360
object such as like a hammer being sighted, that means

1089
01:02:30.400 --> 01:02:37.639
that this child the night before had been brutally beaten,

1090
01:02:37.880 --> 01:02:42.519
brutally beaten to have skull fractures, multiple strikes on her head,

1091
01:02:45.360 --> 01:02:49.159
I'll say, raped, and then left thrown in a ditch

1092
01:02:49.239 --> 01:02:53.400
face down. I mean it's it's it's a ten year

1093
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:59.280
old little girl. So looking back at Aiden's bruises and

1094
01:02:59.280 --> 01:03:02.400
and and or his body, he did have bruises, he

1095
01:03:02.440 --> 01:03:04.800
had someone his arms and his legs. But I want

1096
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:09.000
to tell you this. We always assume that injuries on

1097
01:03:09.280 --> 01:03:13.519
a perpetrator will be captain obvious. If someone's been in

1098
01:03:13.559 --> 01:03:15.199
a fight for their life, But I gotta tell you

1099
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:22.079
they always aren't on the suspect. Okay, the bruises that

1100
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.199
I saw on Aiden looked like an everyday work day

1101
01:03:25.559 --> 01:03:27.960
when my husband comes home from work, you know, small

1102
01:03:28.079 --> 01:03:32.000
little scratches here and there, like bruises the size of

1103
01:03:32.039 --> 01:03:36.199
a quarter or so on his body. But what I

1104
01:03:36.280 --> 01:03:38.519
can tell you in this case is that the DNA

1105
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:44.039
don't lie, and Kaia's blood had also been found on

1106
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:49.239
the shoelaces of Aiden's shoes after forensic testing was done.

1107
01:03:49.360 --> 01:03:53.320
Not only that, but when they had swabbed Aiden, they

1108
01:03:53.440 --> 01:03:59.960
found Kaia's DNA on him. Do the math. It's horrific

1109
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.239
to think about, but we know what happened to that

1110
01:04:03.280 --> 01:04:08.440
little girl. But a month would pass and the families

1111
01:04:08.880 --> 01:04:13.360
were trying to understand what the hell happened here and why?

1112
01:04:14.119 --> 01:04:17.639
Why did this happen? What is going on? Because Aiden

1113
01:04:17.880 --> 01:04:22.159
gave no explanation, nor did he take responsibility for what

1114
01:04:22.360 --> 01:04:26.400
he was being accused of. Well, this is the point

1115
01:04:26.639 --> 01:04:30.840
where we're going to insert another teenager, one who was

1116
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:35.719
listening as Aiden was held at the juvenile detention center

1117
01:04:36.079 --> 01:04:40.039
where this teenager was also being held. The two had

1118
01:04:40.039 --> 01:04:43.159
become somewhat friendly, and Aiden had told him some things

1119
01:04:43.199 --> 01:04:46.039
that this kid felt that the police may want to know.

1120
01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:49.960
So the team was brought in and the conversation, of course,

1121
01:04:50.039 --> 01:04:54.079
was recorded, and he told detectives that Aiden had told

1122
01:04:54.159 --> 01:04:58.880
him that he had killed his stepsister. So this part

1123
01:04:58.880 --> 01:05:01.519
about a question real quick in my mind, all right,

1124
01:05:02.039 --> 01:05:07.679
can miners act as confidential informants, which this is basically

1125
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:11.159
what's happening here. The answer is going to be this

1126
01:05:11.599 --> 01:05:15.320
yes and no, okay, because it's not that simple. There

1127
01:05:15.320 --> 01:05:19.440
are restrictions and state laws that direct this. It changes

1128
01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:24.800
by state. The agency policies come into play here. There's

1129
01:05:24.920 --> 01:05:28.360
questions about possible coercion because if you're promising a young kid, hey,

1130
01:05:28.400 --> 01:05:31.559
you can get out of JUVI if you get information

1131
01:05:31.599 --> 01:05:33.639
for us kids will lae. I mean, a whole lot

1132
01:05:33.679 --> 01:05:37.840
of things can happen, and different states have different understandings

1133
01:05:37.880 --> 01:05:42.039
of if, when, and how it can be done. But

1134
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:46.559
in this case, what the informant said, and by the way,

1135
01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:49.960
this was an unsolicited informant, so they didn't set him

1136
01:05:50.000 --> 01:05:53.360
up and ask him to ask questions. What he said,

1137
01:05:53.760 --> 01:05:56.440
in addition to this claim that it was admitted to

1138
01:05:56.480 --> 01:06:01.400
him would really solidify his believability because he gave examples

1139
01:06:01.880 --> 01:06:04.880
and details that could not be ignored in this case.

1140
01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:08.800
For starters, he said that he told that aident told

1141
01:06:08.880 --> 01:06:12.199
him he had drug Kaya off to the side of

1142
01:06:12.239 --> 01:06:16.639
the road near a waterway or a canal, and back

1143
01:06:16.679 --> 01:06:19.280
at the scene where Kaya's body had been recovered, there

1144
01:06:19.280 --> 01:06:22.559
were drag marks that were documented in the grass very

1145
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:27.280
clearly near the body, and it aligned very much with

1146
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:30.880
how it was described by this kid. He said that

1147
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:35.119
Aidan admitted that he had beaten Kaya with a pipe

1148
01:06:35.920 --> 01:06:39.719
over and over and over in the head and that

1149
01:06:39.800 --> 01:06:42.400
he had done so much damage to her that he

1150
01:06:42.480 --> 01:06:48.719
even saw her brain. He specifically said that he did

1151
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.239
it with what was described as a fence pole from

1152
01:06:52.280 --> 01:06:57.239
like a chain link fence, that's what he meant by pipe.

1153
01:06:57.320 --> 01:07:00.559
And then Aiden's claimed that after the attack that he

1154
01:07:00.760 --> 01:07:04.119
took off running, and he told this kid that he

1155
01:07:04.159 --> 01:07:07.199
had even stopped and taken the time to clean all

1156
01:07:07.239 --> 01:07:10.280
the blood off of his shoes. But he was worried

1157
01:07:10.320 --> 01:07:12.559
because the police had claimed that they found blood on

1158
01:07:12.599 --> 01:07:14.719
the laces of his shoes. But Aidan wasn't sure if

1159
01:07:14.760 --> 01:07:16.639
they were telling the truth or not. He would have

1160
01:07:16.679 --> 01:07:19.800
to wait it out. He would have to see Aiden

1161
01:07:19.840 --> 01:07:22.800
then tells the kid, but I blacked out. I don't

1162
01:07:22.800 --> 01:07:26.320
remember anything. But yet he was then able to brag

1163
01:07:26.400 --> 01:07:32.480
basically about everything that had happened. So he even followed

1164
01:07:32.519 --> 01:07:34.920
up with the fact that he had planned to run away.

1165
01:07:35.320 --> 01:07:38.800
That was his plan, but it got messed up because

1166
01:07:38.920 --> 01:07:42.239
Kaia's body was found before he could hit the road.

1167
01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:45.119
Maybe that's why he was pointing out of that interrogation

1168
01:07:45.239 --> 01:07:48.519
room so bad and said he just wanted to go home.

1169
01:07:49.360 --> 01:07:52.280
But the thing here is that no pipe or pole

1170
01:07:52.719 --> 01:07:55.599
had been recovered from the crime scene. But police also

1171
01:07:55.639 --> 01:07:58.440
weren't aware that that might have been a possible weapon.

1172
01:07:58.519 --> 01:08:01.519
Remember the all time, he said that it was probably

1173
01:08:01.800 --> 01:08:07.000
something like a hammer. So the police had executed a

1174
01:08:07.039 --> 01:08:10.920
search warrant at the home and they did find multiple hammers,

1175
01:08:11.000 --> 01:08:13.320
and they took all of them, but none of them

1176
01:08:13.639 --> 01:08:16.720
after testing, had anything that was found to have been

1177
01:08:16.760 --> 01:08:21.680
in relation to the crime. So Kaya's mother and grandfather

1178
01:08:22.479 --> 01:08:24.680
decided that they were going to just take things into

1179
01:08:24.720 --> 01:08:28.279
their own hands, I guess, and they went out to

1180
01:08:28.359 --> 01:08:33.920
look at the area where Kaya's body was found, and incredibly,

1181
01:08:35.119 --> 01:08:39.800
while they were down searching and looking, they uncovered a

1182
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:44.319
black pipe in the grass, which they called police, and

1183
01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:47.800
they immediately came and took custody of that pipe that

1184
01:08:47.880 --> 01:08:55.039
they found. As of that point, that was pretty much

1185
01:08:55.079 --> 01:08:58.680
what they had for this case. So as the trial

1186
01:08:58.760 --> 01:09:04.600
date came closer, there was still no motive that became

1187
01:09:05.159 --> 01:09:08.399
really prominent. Why would a fifteen year old do this?

1188
01:09:09.159 --> 01:09:13.199
What could have sparked it? Well, Aiden would say that

1189
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:15.920
he was stressed out and that the stress had gotten

1190
01:09:15.960 --> 01:09:18.840
to him. He would also say, look, I didn't like

1191
01:09:19.079 --> 01:09:23.279
Kaya's dad, Okay, I don't like mister Jacoby, And quite frankly,

1192
01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:25.640
he would say Kaya and I weren't like best friends

1193
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:27.960
or anything. We didn't get along all the time. We

1194
01:09:28.199 --> 01:09:30.520
just more or less put up with each other like

1195
01:09:30.600 --> 01:09:35.960
siblings do. The only reason it seemed that she was

1196
01:09:36.039 --> 01:09:39.479
with him that night was because he had destroyed her

1197
01:09:39.520 --> 01:09:43.199
Pokemon cards, and if he replaced them then she wasn't

1198
01:09:43.239 --> 01:09:45.000
going to make a big deal of it, So it

1199
01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.239
wasn't like they were just pals hanging out. She spent

1200
01:09:48.319 --> 01:09:50.359
the time with him because she was trying to get

1201
01:09:50.359 --> 01:09:55.960
her Pokemon cards replaced. But one big issue that would

1202
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:58.760
come up as far as court was concerned, was that

1203
01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:03.039
Aiden was so young to try him as an adult

1204
01:10:03.159 --> 01:10:06.159
or not really was like a big thing. It was

1205
01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:10.640
a very big concern or something that was contemplated and

1206
01:10:10.760 --> 01:10:13.319
laws and states, again they're going to differ on what

1207
01:10:13.479 --> 01:10:16.439
age a kid can be tried as a juvenile or

1208
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:20.039
an adult. But in this case, the prosecutor chose to

1209
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:24.479
in fact try Aiden as an adult. So his lawyer

1210
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:28.119
blamed that there was no father figure in his life

1211
01:10:28.159 --> 01:10:33.119
and mental health and all of these other claims of

1212
01:10:33.119 --> 01:10:37.079
why Aiden did what he did. But the prosecutor was

1213
01:10:37.239 --> 01:10:40.319
pretty clear on why he was going to go after

1214
01:10:40.439 --> 01:10:44.000
Aiden and charge him as an adult, citing the fact

1215
01:10:44.199 --> 01:10:47.279
that he may have only been fifteen years old. But

1216
01:10:47.359 --> 01:10:52.239
he sure was able to confidently mislead and misdirect detectives

1217
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:56.680
in the search after he had sexually assaulted and murdered Kaya.

1218
01:10:56.880 --> 01:11:01.520
He did it with no problem. He clearly was developed

1219
01:11:01.640 --> 01:11:04.840
enough to try and cover his tracks while remaining cool

1220
01:11:04.920 --> 01:11:09.920
and collected for hours, y'all, for many, many many hours,

1221
01:11:10.000 --> 01:11:16.279
well into the next day, before ever even breaking. I mean,

1222
01:11:16.479 --> 01:11:19.920
hardened criminals don't make it as long as this kid did.

1223
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:23.600
The ability for him to do that is more along

1224
01:11:23.760 --> 01:11:28.560
psychopathic behavior, not immature behavior, and a guy who doesn't

1225
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:33.760
have a daddy. He may be young, but to raise

1226
01:11:34.199 --> 01:11:37.239
to this level of violence and then add in a

1227
01:11:37.399 --> 01:11:42.199
sexual component to it a rape, I'm sorry, guys, I

1228
01:11:42.239 --> 01:11:46.880
myself don't find that that is just misguided youth. Had

1229
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:48.840
he been tried as a juvenile, I also want to

1230
01:11:48.840 --> 01:11:50.840
tell you this, Had he been tried as a juvenile,

1231
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:53.600
it would have been a possibility that he would have

1232
01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:59.920
only served two years before being considered for release. That's crazy.

1233
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:03.920
So with all of the evidence stacked against him and

1234
01:12:03.960 --> 01:12:07.600
facing a trial as an adult, Aiden Zelmer would be

1235
01:12:07.680 --> 01:12:11.119
seventeen years old when on December the sixteenth of twenty

1236
01:12:11.119 --> 01:12:14.760
twenty one, he pled guilty to the murder of Kaya

1237
01:12:14.840 --> 01:12:17.600
as part of a plea deal where the sex offense

1238
01:12:17.680 --> 01:12:22.159
component would be dropped in exchange, and as such, he

1239
01:12:22.239 --> 01:12:27.520
was sentenced to forty years to life in prison. So

1240
01:12:27.560 --> 01:12:30.960
when it comes to young offenders and young people that

1241
01:12:31.479 --> 01:12:35.720
do these things, it's always a tough road. We as

1242
01:12:35.720 --> 01:12:37.800
a people, I would say, want to believe that it's

1243
01:12:37.960 --> 01:12:41.960
just immaturity or it's a lack of development that would

1244
01:12:42.000 --> 01:12:45.239
allow such a thing. But when does lack of a

1245
01:12:45.359 --> 01:12:49.920
father figure justify beating someone until their brain is exposed.

1246
01:12:50.119 --> 01:12:54.600
But also, when does that justify raping someone? You got

1247
01:12:54.640 --> 01:12:57.520
to ask yourself when do claims of mental health issues

1248
01:12:58.039 --> 01:13:04.560
explain explosive, unpredictable violence that results in death with the

1249
01:13:04.720 --> 01:13:08.479
added pleasure of sex in the process. You have to

1250
01:13:08.560 --> 01:13:11.479
really think about that. I've never met someone who was

1251
01:13:11.560 --> 01:13:15.960
a good person, just emotionally broken on the inside that

1252
01:13:16.079 --> 01:13:20.920
went and mixed sex with violence against another person and

1253
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:25.399
then hid that as a coping mechanism. And in that

1254
01:13:25.439 --> 01:13:28.800
same spirit, if that's what's helping this fifteen year old

1255
01:13:29.000 --> 01:13:32.199
at such a young age cope, then what the hell

1256
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:34.560
is he going to do to cope when he's an adult.

1257
01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:37.439
You have to think about that. I don't see him

1258
01:13:37.479 --> 01:13:40.680
outgrowing it. He fooled a lot of people. He cried

1259
01:13:40.760 --> 01:13:43.239
like a baby, and he wrapped himself in his mom's

1260
01:13:43.399 --> 01:13:47.279
arms while continuing to lie with purpose. And the entire

1261
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:50.920
time his family was out there looking for Kaya, he

1262
01:13:50.960 --> 01:13:54.479
knew exactly where she was because he was the one

1263
01:13:54.520 --> 01:13:55.439
who put her there.

1264
01:13:56.239 --> 01:14:01.000
He misled investigators, he played the devastated brother role, and

1265
01:14:01.079 --> 01:14:04.960
he weaponized everyone's compassion while they searched for answers that

1266
01:14:05.039 --> 01:14:06.239
he already had.

1267
01:14:07.479 --> 01:14:14.199
That's not immaturity, y'all. That's calculation. Kaya paid the ultimate price.

1268
01:14:14.399 --> 01:14:17.800
She had already paid it. But it's funny how concern

1269
01:14:18.159 --> 01:14:21.600
only showed up in the moment when the consequences now

1270
01:14:21.720 --> 01:14:26.479
belonged to him. He had to pay some sort of price,

1271
01:14:27.279 --> 01:14:30.760
and when it became his turn to suffer, that's whenever

1272
01:14:30.800 --> 01:14:35.279
the tears began to flow and then became the excuses.

1273
01:14:35.880 --> 01:14:39.439
He blacked out. He couldn't remember what happened, but he

1274
01:14:39.479 --> 01:14:42.600
had no problem talking about what he did in detail.

1275
01:14:42.840 --> 01:14:46.640
When he thought that the audience didn't matter, Now that

1276
01:14:47.319 --> 01:14:53.079
was immaturity. Your audience always matters, and you never underestimate

1277
01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:58.279
what they're willing to do or share. Memory was never

1278
01:14:58.720 --> 01:15:03.840
the problem, his lack of conscience was. But foresight, man,

1279
01:15:04.840 --> 01:15:07.359
man does he probably wish he would have had a

1280
01:15:07.399 --> 01:15:11.439
little bit more of that because in my research I

1281
01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:16.159
found a Pria report with Aiden listed by name on it,

1282
01:15:17.039 --> 01:15:18.960
and I'm gonna post this on Patreon for you if

1283
01:15:19.199 --> 01:15:21.399
you're interested in seeing it. But if you don't know

1284
01:15:21.439 --> 01:15:26.119
what Priya is. That concerns prison rape, which young people

1285
01:15:26.359 --> 01:15:31.479
unfortunately may fall victim to while incarcerated, and it's terrible, guys,

1286
01:15:32.479 --> 01:15:36.840
Thank god, Aiden's arrest stopped him from hurting anyone else.

1287
01:15:37.199 --> 01:15:40.079
But I can't help but wonder what went through his

1288
01:15:40.079 --> 01:15:42.880
mind when he realized that prison criminals were a lot

1289
01:15:43.039 --> 01:15:48.439
like him. Not young, of course, uh, but mean nonetheless,

1290
01:15:49.039 --> 01:15:53.119
And when they may lie and deny just like he did,

1291
01:15:53.880 --> 01:15:56.359
I have a feeling they gonna educate oh Aiden on

1292
01:15:56.399 --> 01:15:59.560
how it's done behind bars, laying pipe that is,