Dec. 16, 2025

Part 2 | Hostile Divorce: The Case of Kayla Giles

Part 2 | Hostile Divorce: The Case of Kayla Giles
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Season 9

KJ completes this tragic story of a shooting in Alexandria, Louisiana during the fall of 2018 involving a wife, Kayla Giles Coutee murdering her estranged husband, Thomas Coutee,Jr., an MMA fighter and Welding Instructor at an Alexandria Wal-Mart during a custody exchange. 

Chapters
04:36 The Police Investigation Begins
09:09 Text Messages Reveal Clues
14:00 The Protective Order Dilemma
20:28 Tensions Rise Before the Shooting
33:24 The Search History Exposé
40:37 The Day of the Shooting
50:03 The Trial and Its Revelations
1:02:08 Verdict and Sentencing

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning, Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey Y'ALLKJ You're

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back with part two of this next episode. This will

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be the conclusion episode. I do want to start out

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by telling you that while I am going to conclude

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the episode this time, there is actually going to be

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a bonus one as well, because there are follow ups

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and additions to this case that I think you might

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find interesting, and I know I certainly did, so my

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Patreon members, be on the lookout for that bonus episode

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that will be dropping sooner or later for you to

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get the follow up on this. You won't want to

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miss very very interesting and current as of today, so

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you'll want to know that before I get started, though,

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I also want to tell you that I've got tons

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of shout outs that I have to give. Obviously, I

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don't want to spend thirty minutes doing that, so I

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just do a few at a time each episode, so

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I know people are excited for those shout outs. I

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promise I'm going to get to you. Just please give

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me a little bit of time because whenever you join,

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I don't record that exact day, and so it may

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be a little bit before you hear your shout out,

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but I will get to you. Also, if I miss

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one by some chance, always reach out to me, because

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I certainly wouldn't miss you on purpose, and so just

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bring it to my attention and I'll make sure I

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handle it. I'm gonna start this time though, right in

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San Antonio, Texas, where I've got Miss Ronda George. She

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is a new member of the crime family. And you

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know I love my Texas peeps. I got family there,

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and I've got a ton of listeners there that I

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have to say hello to. So Miss Ronda Hello. I'm

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gonna then move over to Arlington, Texas, and we're gonna

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say hello to Miss Mandy Ramirez. Hello, Mandy, thank you

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so much as well. And then let's see, we've got

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even Plannersville, Texas here. Jessica, Columbus girl, I missed you somehow.

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I realize the error of my ways. Please accept my

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formal apology, and I'm saying hello to you. I'm waving

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in the camera. When I make a promise, I follow through,

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and so Jessica, please accept my hello and my thank

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you so much for joining and supporting me. Then we're

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gonna jump right here into Louisiana, and right here in

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Port Barry, I've got Molly Joe. Well, hello, Molly Joe.

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What's going on with you? I hope things are well?

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And then we can jump all the way to Virginia,

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where I've got Ashley Snyder. I have never heard of

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Newport News, Virginia. That's a first for me. So I'm

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gonna have to look that up and see where you

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are and what all goes on there. But Ashley, again,

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so stoked to have you as well. Now tons more

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shout outs coming, Stay tuned. I will get to you

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and again message me if you think I may have

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missed you, No problem there, all right, So quick recap

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from part one of the Kayla and Thomas Coutis saga

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and they were as a quick backup story here, they

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were in the middle of a contentious divorce, and if

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you haven't listened to the first episode, this is your

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chance to stop go back and listen to it before

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I do a whole bunch of spoilers right now. Ready,

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three two one, Okay. So they were in the middle

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of the contentious divorce and Kayla ends up shooting him

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in the Walmart parking lot after she says that he

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jumped at her and voicing instances of past abuse which

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made her very, very afraid of him and she feared

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for her life. Now, police reports had been fun but

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only by Thomas, and he had claimed in some occasions

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that she had slapped him and that she had become

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violent in different situations. Their child was interviewed, the oldest

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one by there, I just mean Kayla's daughter biologically, Thomas

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was just the stepfather, but their oldest in that situation

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was interviewed and she stated that Thomas did jump at

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her mom before she heard that loud boom of the gunshot.

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And Kayla then explained that she was basically a battered

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woman and that she feared for her life and that's

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why she reacted and did the things that she did.

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So police arrested Kayla, but they continued to investigate exactly

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what happened and why, because they needed more than just okay,

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you shot him and this could have gone really either way.

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Once she starts bringing up the battered woman situation. Now,

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the fact they arrested her, that implies that they think

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that there was something more nefarious to this, but they

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still to do their due diligence and continue to investigate.

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So after that quick recap, let's jump back into what

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police found in those prior reports that were filed by

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Thomas against Kayla. So while the police reports, you know,

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were made, I do want to say that people do

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lie in police reports. That there's no doubt about that.

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People do lie, and so the police have to kind

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of mitigate what they're being told, and they're going to

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want to try to write the report based in some

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type of evidentiary you know, value to what they're writing.

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So people are going to often give what I'll call

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their version of events, which can be somewhat biased. Okay,

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but that said and acknowledging that that does happen, I

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can vouch for Thomas that he was likely slapped because

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he not only filed a police report on this incident

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that I'm talking about, but he also had photos of

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his face which were submitted to the officer who was

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writing the report. Now, this photo showed his face. There

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was a red mark right on his jawline, and it

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was right below his ear. So if you can kind

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of picture a hand slapping across the bottom of your jaw. Now,

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someone's probably gonna ask me, well, why was a photo

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given to the cop. Why didn't the officer just look

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at his face and write based on that great question. Well,

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the answer I found to that, because I wondered too,

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was that there was a one week delay in Thomas

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filing the report. I have a guess about why that was. Again,

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I have no proof of this, but I think I

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have an educated guess. I think that Thomas was documenting

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everything as he had been advised for court purposes. But

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I think whenever he spoke with his attorney and said, look,

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this is what happened and I took pictures, I'm thinking

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that attorney then said, look, you've got to file an

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official police report on this. This is a battery and

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it needs to be on floor normal record. So it's

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not just he said, she said, once we get into court,

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there's no law that it says that you have to

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make the police report the instant that something happens like this.

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So there's nothing wrong with that, is what I want

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to make clear. Now. It took place in May of

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twenty eighteen in a tattoo shop parking lot during a

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custody exchange, but Thomas told the cop when he arrived

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to write that report, look, I don't want to press charges.

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I just want to make sure that this is documented whatever. Okay,

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I need it for court, but I'm not interested in

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her going to jail. And the decent side of me

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thinks that Thomas did this out of love for those children,

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and that if she went to jail, then these three

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children don't have the other half, you know, that would

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be taking care of them. So again those are my guesses,

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but I think that a prudent person would probably agree

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with that information. Now, Kayla would also have her own

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plaints against Thomas. During a following court proceeding that they

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went to, she told the courts, look, he jumped at

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me in prior incidences, and this is before the shooting

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ever took place. By the way this is something else

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that he jumped at me and that he scares me,

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and whether this jump was intended to intimidate her, or

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whether she's saying he jumped at her like to pusher

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or something that isn't one hundred percent clear to me,

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but it sounds at minimum like she's trying to describe

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that he was what I would call peacocking, so basically

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fluffing up, making himself big when he got mad, and

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something along those lines. Needless to say, based on this alone,

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things are not going very well between the couple and

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it was just becoming increasingly problematic. However, this is where

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text messages become super insightful. Because after that slapping incident

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that Thomas claimed happened, and he even filed a police report,

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Kayla had texted her friend not the week after, whenever

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Thomas made the report. I'm talking about when it happened,

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and that's when she texted her friend that she quote

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knocked the shit out of Thomas and it felt good

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end quote. And that's what we call a clue, y'all.

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That's why I stand on business when I say that

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I do believe that she hit him. Why there was

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photo evidence, he fought a report and then she says

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it with her own mouth, and then it felt good.

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And this is also one of those times where I

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want to take a second here, and I think it's

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so important that we reflect on male domestic violence. And

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what I mean is specifically domestic violence against a male. Okay,

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true talk, real story, just getting down to the nutcutting.

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If a woman slaps a man in the face, and

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I need you to hang with me here for a

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second with what I'm about to say. But if a

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woman slaps a man in the face, he's supposed to

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take that on the chin. He is. And what I

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mean is, I know right now you're going wow, whoa, whoa. Wait,

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Mike Kelly, No, no man should should be slapped in

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the face. You're right, No man should ever be slapped

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in the face or hit or punched or anything for

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that matter. But what I'm talking about is socially okay,

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because when she hauls off and slaps him across the face,

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what is he supposed to do? What is he supposed

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to do? Because the second that a man slaps a woman,

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he's cooked, he's done. He's going to jail, do you

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He is going to jail. But when this small woman

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slaps a man, society does. And I know you might

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be arguing with me right now, but you better really

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do some soul searching because society expects him to basically

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just turn the other cheek. I'm not saying it's right,

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but I'm telling you it's true. Men don't hit women.

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They don't. They shouldn't, but women shouldn't hit men either,

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but they do. And social standards alone, until recent years,

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have almost laughed at men whenever they say that a

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woman abuses them. Think about that, Oh, a woman abused you,

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because what happens here is that it starts involving the

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man card. Okay, because I want to point this out.

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Studies show that there are higher victimization rates for males

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than females starting in high school. And my guess here

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is that guys are convinced that if they say something, oh,

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the girl pushed me, Oh the girl slap me, then

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in some way they're not manly if they're gonna complain

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a girl, Oh you were hit by a girl, You

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were beat up by a girl. Think about that. We

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grow up with that. And so I have seen personally,

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I have seen female students slap male students in high school,

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and those girls do it because they know deep down

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in their soul that men that are boys that are

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raised right, they're not gonna slap those girls back. They're

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not gonna push those girls back. They can't or they

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lose their man card. Okay, so I'm all about protecting women,

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but I'm also going to say this that mama's of

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high school boys, you'll better have that talk. Trust me

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when I'm telling you this, because if a girl hits you,

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you must handle it by telling an adult, because she

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won't stop when she realizes she can get away with it,

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and she's going to continue and continue until you explode,

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until the guy explodes, and then the guy gets labeled

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the abusive guy. It happens over and over again. I've

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seen it way too many times. And this is part

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of the issue I see right now in this case,

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because then these boys grow up to become men still

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raised on those values of we don't hit women, which

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is right and it's just and it's good. However, these

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men marry women who if those women continue to slap

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them or push them when they get mad, will the

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daughters that are born guess what they see the young

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girls see that their mom is slapping or throwing things

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or whatever, and then those young girls are bound to

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repeat that same behavior, and the guy who responds in

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a physical way is going to be deemed an abuser.

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Women are more likely to perpetrate violence and then claim

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self defense than men ever will be. You can research

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that yourself. Men are not going to say self defense

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because it makes them look like a sissy and men

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want to be men, and the reason, y'all, it's just

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so clear masculine men would have to admit or imply

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that they were vulnerable if they were to claim self defense.

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And simply put, no man wants to say that girl

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almost beat me up or that girl tried to beat

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me up. Really think about that in way that it

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matters in this society. It matters. So while this isn't

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one hundred percent accurate in all cases, I'm telling you

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Thomas was a masculine guy, and he was larger than Kayla,

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he trained in mma. What kind of sissy would he

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have looked like if he were to claim that he

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was being abused by a tiny little woman. How do

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you think people that didn't know them would view that,

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or people they did know him, but didn't know what

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went on behind closed doors. Possibly, Okay, a thought to ponder,

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And this obviously was a distressing situation for her because

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she's saying I fear him, and you know, this is

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now at an all time high level and all this

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kind of stuff. So the next question, or the next

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thing I'd like to bring up, is that Kayla in

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August went to a hearing and told the court that

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she was now even more afraid of Thomas because he

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brought a gun to one of the exchanges of their daughter.

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This was escalating that stress again for her. I mean,

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it's sky high according to her and what she said

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in the in the courts. So why would Thomas need

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to bring a gun to exchange their child in a

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custody turnover? Sure they fought, okay, but a gun seemed

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over the top and scary considering why they were meeting

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up in the first place, which is a child. So

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safety concerns were now paramount if that was even true. Again,

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I wasn't there. I'm just recounting the accusations that were

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made in court at those hearings. I can say this,

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Thomas's mom is Kathy. She did acknowledge that she knew

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Thomas to carry a weapon, and Kayla's sister also said

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that she saw Thomas with a gun when he picked

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up their daughter on a prior occasion. So I'm just

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telling you what I found in my research. So for this,

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I'm inclined to think that Thomas probably was the type

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of guy who always carried her weapon or was common

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to carry a weapon. I don't seem to get the

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gist of that he just brought a gun to intimidate

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Kayla at custody exchanges. But again, that's a personal opinion

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met Thomas, so I can't I can't say that for sure.

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But based on the accusations that were flying and the

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factoring in of this history between the two of them

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getting physical, the Ninth Judicial District did issue a mutual

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protective order against them both. That means both of them

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were seen to be problematic in the eyes of the court,

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and the accusations that were flying back and forth, so

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many people reach out to me. I can't tell you

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how many people have reached out to me with questions

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about protective orders. And while I'm not a lawyer, people

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sometimes miss that I'm not a lawyer. And I'm not

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giving legal advice. I can tell you a few things

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real quick about protective orders. Protective order, restraining order, injunction

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against abuse, peace bond, criminal order of protection. All of

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those are terms used in general to refer to these

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court orders that require one person to stay away from

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the other person. And the intention of these orders is

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to prevent abuse and to enhance the safety of the

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person who is seeking the court's protection. Well, when they

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are both ordered to stay away from each other, obviously

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the courts feel like they are both contributors to the

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abusive or inappropriate behavior in some fashion. Now, right now,

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I am not standing here and saying Thomas abused Kayla,

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and I'm not saying Kayla abuse Thomas. I'm saying the

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courts felt that there was the potential for something to escalate.

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That's why they issued it in both directions. Now, these

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orders are not just the blanket piece of paper that

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are filled out. They can come with additional factors outside

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of just be nice and stay away from each other.

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But those situations are specific to that case and they're

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not blanket factors. They have to be specifically stated by

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the judge or ordered by the judge Another fun fact

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about protective orders. A protected person cannot violate their issued

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order of protection. Not meaning like the rules. I'm saying,

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it's not possible and they can't get in trouble. What

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do I mean? This is so important? Okay? If I

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say that Jim is harassing me and he's abusing me

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and blah blah blah blah blah, the courts may issue

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a protective order telling Jim to stay away from me. Okay,

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and he gets served and everything the cops tell him

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about it. However, Jim and I decide to let bygones

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be bygones, and we're gonna We're just gonna make up

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with all of our problems. And then the following week,

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I invite Jim to come over and hey, let's do

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a podcast together. If he comes over, even though I've

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invited him over, if he comes over and then we

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start arguing for some reason, I can call the police

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and Jim is going to jail. He is going to

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jail for violating that protective ordered issued by that judge,

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even if I invited him over. People for some reason

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don't seem to understand this. You've got to know this information.

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If a protective order is ever placed against you, you

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have to follow it until it's dropped, even if you

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and the person kiss and make up. So here we

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are with orders for the two to stay away from

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each other obviously minus this custody exchange, and the bickering

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is just insane between the two. The order likely said

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something of the nature of allowing brief and peaceful contact

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during child custody exchanges or something like that. So other

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than that, leave each other alone. Well. On September seventh

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of twenty eighteen, Kayla was served papers letting her know

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that there was going to be another hearing about custody

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and that she would need to be in attendance of

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that court hearing. It just seemed like nothing was ever over.

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There was always another court hearing, always more money to

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dole out to pay a lawyer. And matter of fact,

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in that hearing that new one that was coming up,

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Thomas was now going to be asking Kayla for a

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reimbursement of money from something that Kayla he said owed him,

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as well as claims that Kyla should be held in

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contempt of court for her behavior and her actions since

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the last court order. So as you can tell, this

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was just an extremely exhausting situation on both ends. Regardless,

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the very next day after she was served those papers,

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that's when that custody exchange took place. Thomas was shot

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and now he's dead. And there's a reason that I

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took the time to explain protective orders to you, because

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if you paid attention, or if you are familiar with

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protective orders, right now, there is a very very glaring

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issue at hand, and if you haven't picked up on

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it yet, it's because you aren't familiar with protective orders.

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And that's a good thing. Okay, It's not a small thing, y'all.

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This is huge when you are served with a protective order.

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Part of that order, which is state law, specifically revised

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Statute forty six Colon two Pet. Three six point three

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in Louisiana, it explicitly states that you cannot and shall

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not own or possess a firearm if you have been

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considered by the courts to be a valid and viable

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threat to the other person's safety. That's that's like common,

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that's the way it is. Now. This in and of itself,

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starts begging the question, why did Kayla even have a

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gun at the custody exchange? Because guess what, when she's

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served these orders of protection, it's explicitly stated. When you

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are served, it is signed off one, it's initialed. You

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know that you're not supposed to have a gun. Now,

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I'm also not a hypocrite, and I know you've heard

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me say a million times that a protective order is

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just a piece of paper and it won't protect you.

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So if Thomas had been abusing Kayla, this still stands true.

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But understand this, she was the person served in this instance,

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as was Thomas, so that means they both cannot have firearms. So,

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during the initial investigation prior to Kayla being arrested, she

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was directly asked by the investigator if or when she

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purchased the gun that was used to shoot Thomas, and

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her answer was that she didn't know offhand when she

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bought it. All right, cool, y'all. I have the memory

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of a goldfish. As soon as I bump into the glass,

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I forget something. Everyone who knows me knows that. Okay,

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for some reason I can remember. I can remember true

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crime facts meant little ones. I can remember true crime forever.

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But for some reason, just basic things like when I

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bought something, I probably couldn't nail it down either, So

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I'm not holding that against her, But in this exact moment,

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you do have to wonder what was Kayla's memory like,

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because when it was researched and documented, Kayla had bought

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the gun just twelve days before the shooting. Twelve day

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you can't remember twelve days before the shooting. Okay, well,

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not quite buying that. But she also went and bought

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the gun in Dallas, Texas. She did not buy the

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gun in Louisiana. So around August twenty eighth, that's when

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she buys the gun. Mind you, the order of protection

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had already been signed by the courts, so she knew better.

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She would have known better, So she did this in

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direct violation of that protective order. On September seventh, she

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was served paperwork, but that was of the upcoming court hearing.

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She already had the protective order. The very next day

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after she was served that court hearing paperwork is when

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she shot and killed him. So why was it bought

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in Texas? That became the next question, why not Louisiana.

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You live in Louisiana, So detectives were curious too. Well,

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it wasn't quite necessarily as nefarious as it seems, because

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Kayla had retained her residency in Texas, so to purchase

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a handgun she had to do so there, which she

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did during a visit back home, she said again, just

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twelve days before she actually shot it. She also purchased

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in that timeframe a self defense insurance policy through USCCA,

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which this will come into play here shortly, but not

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quite yet. I just want you to hold onto that

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information because she bought both of the gun and the

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policy at the same time. So we all know this,

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or we should. By now, all jail records or jail

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calls are recorded. Okay, I would think everyone knows that

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by now, but alas here we are. So Cayla has

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been arrested, she's in jail, and during one of her

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jail calls, she she was being housed at the Rapids

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Parish Detention Center. She made a call to her sister

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and they began discussing things like where her kids were

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going to be staying, and did she have an attorney yet,

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things along those lines, And as the call continued, cayleb

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started referring to something as the flowered thing. The flowered thing,

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So what was this? Flowered thing that they were discussing

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because detectives certainly wanted to know, because she seemed very

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adamant about this flowered thing being located. Specifically in those conversations,

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her sister wanted to give the quote unquote flowered thing

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to somebody else, and Kayla replied, no, hear me out.

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Kayla goes, look, nobody's looking for it. And since nobody's

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looking for it right now, that means it doesn't exist exist.

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So upon that statement of Kayla going, look, it doesn't exist,

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don't do anything with it, her sister became worrisome in tone,

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and she's kind of like, well, wait a minute, I

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don't want to get myself in trouble or anything of

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that nature. So Kayla goes, okay, okay, okay, fine, give

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it to Jennifer. Give it to Jennifer. So who is Jennifer?

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What is this flowered thing? The whole conversation was kind

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of odd. Well, Jennifer would be determined to be a

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friend that Kayla had had since childhood and the two

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were close even now into adulthood. Now, Jennifer lived in

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Washital Parish, which is North Louisiana, the Monroe area, which

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by the way, shout out to my grandfather because he

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held the longest rushing yard record in Washittal Parish for

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a very long time. All right now, Kayla's sister then

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later advised her that Jennifer was going to meet her

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in Natchet and that's where they were going to do

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this exchange. So obviously detectives now wanted to have a

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word with these two women, and they followed up immediately after.

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They listened to these jail calls, so detectives would question Jennifer,

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who at first would kind of play the role of

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not really knowing much, but after she was able to

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secure an attorney, she eventually opened up about like the

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whole truth in detail. I do want to say this,

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I don't blame Jennifer for this at all. I'm sure

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she was nervous. I'm sure she didn't want to get

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caught up in something and she was starting to feel

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like something wasn't right here, so she got an attorney

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and bringing one in that does not make her guilty

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of anything by any means. I think it was just

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self preservation in that moment. Jennifer was a trusting person.

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She specifically was trusting in her friend and she was

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believing everything that she was being told. But now at

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this point she seemed to understand that something was possibly

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00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:57.960
a miss and that she needed to be completely forthcoming,

470
00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:00.559
and she knew she did, but she's still wanted to

471
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.480
have an attorney present in case things kind of went sideways. Well,

472
00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:09.079
following both interviews of Jennifer and Kayla's sisters, detectives were

473
00:28:09.119 --> 00:28:12.839
able to identify what the quote unquote flowered thing was.

474
00:28:13.640 --> 00:28:16.599
And y'all, it actually had a very very common name,

475
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.839
something that I would have expected it to be called

476
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:24.039
by other than the flowered thing, unless you're trying to

477
00:28:24.079 --> 00:28:27.559
keep a secret, of course, because the flowered thing was

478
00:28:27.599 --> 00:28:32.519
identified as a bag with flowers on it that held

479
00:28:32.680 --> 00:28:38.599
her laptop. So why wouldn't you just say laptop or

480
00:28:38.759 --> 00:28:40.720
the bag with my laptop in it instead of just

481
00:28:40.759 --> 00:28:45.480
saying the flowered thing. Well, Kayla obviously owned that laptop, However,

482
00:28:45.920 --> 00:28:48.440
she was not in direct possession of it because she

483
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.880
had given it to her sister roughly two weeks before

484
00:28:52.559 --> 00:28:55.599
the shooting ever took place. So why was she being

485
00:28:55.640 --> 00:28:58.799
so covert about it? Really? Why did she give it

486
00:28:58.839 --> 00:29:01.880
to her sister? And was it possible that it may

487
00:29:02.279 --> 00:29:05.559
hold something very damning inside. Of course, these are the

488
00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:09.039
questions we have. Well, the way that things had unfolded,

489
00:29:09.519 --> 00:29:14.119
Kayla's sister, Jessica met up with Kayla's friend Jennifer in

490
00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:19.400
Georgetown the day after Kayla was arrested for shooting Thomas. Now,

491
00:29:19.440 --> 00:29:22.400
the reason that they were meeting up was because she

492
00:29:22.559 --> 00:29:25.519
was going to take care of Kayla's dogs since Kayla

493
00:29:25.640 --> 00:29:29.599
was now in jail. Well, during that meeting, Jessica gave

494
00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:37.000
the flowered laptop bag to Jennifer, but she was adamant

495
00:29:37.039 --> 00:29:39.440
that she did not know she was going to be

496
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.079
picking up the laptop. She only thought that she was

497
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:44.240
picking up the dogs. But when they got there, she

498
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:45.799
got the dogs and she got the bag with the

499
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:50.559
laptop in it. Only after speaking later with Kayla was

500
00:29:50.599 --> 00:29:53.680
she given these instructions to use the laptop to check

501
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:58.119
on things like her emails and other like personal business.

502
00:29:58.160 --> 00:30:02.680
But I will state this, they were never directed to

503
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.680
destroy or delete anything on that laptop. The women, neither

504
00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:10.359
Kayla's sister nor Kayla's friend Jennifer ever did anything like

505
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.559
deleting or throwing away or whatever. None of that happened.

506
00:30:13.559 --> 00:30:19.559
They just checked general things for her, so she was

507
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:23.759
then contacted. Jennifer was contacted by the Washitaw Sheriff's office

508
00:30:23.759 --> 00:30:28.200
and she voluntarily gave over the laptop upon request. She

509
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.319
didn't hold out or try to hide it or anything.

510
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:32.880
So investigators were able to secure a warrant and they

511
00:30:32.960 --> 00:30:36.880
began searching all of Kayla's electronics and this would include

512
00:30:37.039 --> 00:30:41.880
her search history obviously, because they wanted to see what

513
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.160
could they find in there. They also wanted to say, hey,

514
00:30:44.200 --> 00:30:46.559
is there something interesting in there that might lend itself

515
00:30:46.599 --> 00:30:50.599
to back up Kayla on what she was saying from

516
00:30:51.119 --> 00:30:52.880
kind of a behind the scenes look that things that

517
00:30:52.920 --> 00:30:56.319
weren't put in front and on display for everybody to

518
00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.839
see it might justify the shooting. Well, Kayla was obviously

519
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:04.200
attempting to hide the laptop in some fashion and so

520
00:31:04.440 --> 00:31:07.920
because of that, they slapped an additional charge on her

521
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.759
of obstruction of justice for that attempted concealment of the laptop.

522
00:31:12.440 --> 00:31:15.200
So it would have to do their thing in seeing

523
00:31:15.319 --> 00:31:18.039
what if anything was on the laptop that Kayla may

524
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:22.880
not want anybody to know. In the meantime, an autopsy

525
00:31:23.079 --> 00:31:26.119
was completed on Thomas and this was done by doctor

526
00:31:26.200 --> 00:31:29.079
Christopher Tape. He was the forensic pathologist who did this,

527
00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:32.640
and he did recover as you can imagine, one single

528
00:31:32.680 --> 00:31:37.440
bullet from Thomas's chest. The bullet was center mass, that

529
00:31:37.559 --> 00:31:41.200
means bullseye, you know, right in the center of his chest,

530
00:31:41.640 --> 00:31:45.079
and it was definitely a kill shot. There was not

531
00:31:45.400 --> 00:31:48.559
much chance of survival with where this bullet was located.

532
00:31:48.880 --> 00:31:52.640
So either Kayla had incredible luck in her rushed removal

533
00:31:53.039 --> 00:31:57.119
of the gun from her door pocket, or she had

534
00:31:57.160 --> 00:32:00.680
it much sooner with more time to aim to be

535
00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:04.680
able to make such a good shot. Another finding was

536
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:08.119
that there was stippling around the wound, and stippling is

537
00:32:08.160 --> 00:32:12.440
going to be basically burned gunpowder from the gunshot, because

538
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:15.279
the gun was close enough to his skin that it

539
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:18.000
hit his skin as the powder was still burning off

540
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:23.319
of the shot. Now, typically if a shooting happens more

541
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:28.359
than two to three feet away from the subject that's struck,

542
00:32:28.839 --> 00:32:30.920
stippling won't be found. So that tells you this was

543
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:35.720
a very very close shot, very close. He also had

544
00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.440
abrasions Thomas did. He had abrasions on his face, but

545
00:32:39.640 --> 00:32:43.200
how he got those abrasions wasn't clear. Maybe it was

546
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:49.039
from the fall, or maybe something happened you know, whenever

547
00:32:49.079 --> 00:32:52.599
he was closer to Kayla's car, but flat out there

548
00:32:52.680 --> 00:32:55.160
was no way to determine how he got these abrasions,

549
00:32:55.200 --> 00:32:56.559
but I do want you to know that they were

550
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:00.799
there well. As the data from Kayla's electronic was recovered,

551
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:04.680
this is where things became even more interesting and timelines

552
00:33:04.759 --> 00:33:07.079
will matter, at least they do to me. So I'm

553
00:33:07.079 --> 00:33:09.119
going to try to organize this for you so it's

554
00:33:09.160 --> 00:33:14.799
not all over the place. Search history in relation to

555
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:18.680
a shooting may be completely irrelevant, Okay, it's just something

556
00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:21.680
that they're going to look at, But in some instances

557
00:33:21.759 --> 00:33:26.279
like this one, it was definitely worth considering. Why was

558
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:29.960
Kayla being so covert and not just saying give my

559
00:33:30.039 --> 00:33:34.200
laptop to Jenner, to Jennifer. Why was she moving to

560
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:37.759
moving it to someone else in the first place. Why

561
00:33:37.799 --> 00:33:40.279
did she think that was so important? Why couldn't she

562
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:44.160
have just left her laptop at home? Kayla lived, she

563
00:33:44.240 --> 00:33:46.279
had a home. Why did she have to give it

564
00:33:46.279 --> 00:33:48.119
to her sister? And then why did her sister need

565
00:33:48.160 --> 00:33:53.200
to transfer to someone else? It just it just was weird, Okay,

566
00:33:53.920 --> 00:33:57.160
No one needed to borrow it for any reason that

567
00:33:57.400 --> 00:33:59.640
I know of. Her sister didn't ask to borrow it,

568
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:03.359
and she gave it two weeks before the shooting. Well,

569
00:34:03.440 --> 00:34:06.799
let's look at multiple things that were recovered with some

570
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:10.000
insight that I'm able to give because of some research

571
00:34:10.039 --> 00:34:14.679
that I did. All Right, all three children at the

572
00:34:14.719 --> 00:34:17.760
center of this case, all three of them were enrolled

573
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:23.599
at the Monassory Educational Center in twenty eighteen. That year

574
00:34:24.199 --> 00:34:26.880
was the first year of attendance for the child that

575
00:34:26.920 --> 00:34:32.599
they shared biologically though. Okay, now, the tuition agreement was

576
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:35.880
on record for all three children, and I look this up.

577
00:34:36.199 --> 00:34:40.239
Tuition per child is about five thousand dollars a year.

578
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:44.239
This means, according to my Stellar College calculations, it was

579
00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:47.320
going to cost about fifteen thousand dollars for the year

580
00:34:47.480 --> 00:34:50.199
for all three kids to go to school there. And

581
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:53.039
Kayla was the one who set all of this up.

582
00:34:53.400 --> 00:34:55.400
She's the mom. It makes sense to me that she

583
00:34:55.440 --> 00:34:58.559
would set all this up. Well, the school management system,

584
00:34:58.679 --> 00:35:01.119
and I got a break in here real quick from Louisiana.

585
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.280
You know this case, but this never seemed to be

586
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:07.760
big in the news. And so this is why research

587
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:10.320
to me is worth so much. All Right, The tuition

588
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:14.440
management system that the school used to collect the payments

589
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:18.679
for tuition. It required a bank account be on file.

590
00:35:18.800 --> 00:35:21.360
You weren't just gonna bring a check up there whenever

591
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:24.440
it was due. You had to have an account on file. Well,

592
00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:29.039
on August nineteenth of twenty eighteen, all three children's tuition

593
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:34.199
payments were charged to Thomas's bank account. There was an

594
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:39.039
issue though. Thomas called the school and he told the school,

595
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:41.320
why did y'all take all of this money out? I

596
00:35:41.440 --> 00:35:46.239
never approved paying tuition for all three kids. I mean,

597
00:35:46.599 --> 00:35:49.320
you know, I'll pay for my child, but you know,

598
00:35:50.119 --> 00:35:52.360
I don't understand why all three were taken out of

599
00:35:52.360 --> 00:35:55.519
my account. Well, after the principal and Thomas had an

600
00:35:55.519 --> 00:36:00.320
in depth conversation, even the school agreed that they needed

601
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.320
to refund him the charges because that tells me something.

602
00:36:05.719 --> 00:36:08.039
The school is willing to give up money when they

603
00:36:08.039 --> 00:36:11.079
have three kids enrolled there. That's a red flag. Well,

604
00:36:11.199 --> 00:36:16.440
upon further look, Thomas never paid the older two girls

605
00:36:16.519 --> 00:36:20.239
tuition in the past. So why all of a sudden,

606
00:36:20.639 --> 00:36:23.280
now that he's already filed for divorce, in the middle

607
00:36:23.320 --> 00:36:27.559
of a bitter divorce you know situation, why would he

608
00:36:27.639 --> 00:36:30.880
now agree to pay for the kid's tuition He's divorcing

609
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:35.280
their mother, he never paid in the past. Hmm. Interesting,

610
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:38.960
right for your knowledge too. This is one hundred percent

611
00:36:39.039 --> 00:36:41.559
true what I'm telling you, because Thomas even went to

612
00:36:41.599 --> 00:36:44.119
the extent after he spoke with the principal, He went

613
00:36:44.119 --> 00:36:47.079
to the extent of filing a complaint in early September

614
00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.800
of twenty eighteen. This was confirmed by the financial crimes

615
00:36:50.800 --> 00:36:56.760
detective Caleb Watson with the Alexandria PD who originally was

616
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.880
the person who spoke to Thomas. The thing was he

617
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:02.519
he was never able to follow up on that complaint

618
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:07.960
because Thomas was killed the very Saturday after they initially spoke,

619
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:10.960
so it was like it had just been filed and

620
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.159
they didn't get to follow up on that. Well. What

621
00:37:13.400 --> 00:37:17.280
was found on the laptop though, were some messages between

622
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.239
Kayla and a friend, and there were a series of

623
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:24.559
messages on August the second, and Kayla said this direct

624
00:37:24.639 --> 00:37:28.400
quote in that message quote, I found his new bank

625
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:33.559
info end quote that says something else. She didn't say,

626
00:37:33.880 --> 00:37:37.000
Thomas gave me his new bank info. She didn't say

627
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.639
Thomas agreed all of a sudden to pay tuition for

628
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.320
the other two girls. She said, I found it as

629
00:37:43.400 --> 00:37:47.719
in Lucky me when she followed up with how she

630
00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:50.800
was going to use it to process the kid's tuition payments,

631
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.639
and her friend's response to that was, quote, ha ha ha,

632
00:37:54.360 --> 00:37:56.880
it will be the best money you have ever spent.

633
00:37:57.400 --> 00:38:02.440
End quote. This sounds to me like some shady ass bullshit,

634
00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:06.400
And she knew she was dead wrong. She was using

635
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:10.519
his money knowing that they were still legally married, just

636
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:12.800
to see if she could get away with it and

637
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:14.519
to put him on the hook with it and give

638
00:38:14.599 --> 00:38:20.400
him problems. Those messages don't lie. And another thing about

639
00:38:20.400 --> 00:38:23.159
those messages that are very important to me is that

640
00:38:23.239 --> 00:38:27.000
if I was scared for my life, if I was

641
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:30.679
scared for my life, I can promise you I'm not

642
00:38:30.719 --> 00:38:34.639
gonna borrow trouble from the one person who I'm saying

643
00:38:34.760 --> 00:38:38.039
I'm afraid is gonna kill me. What do you think

644
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:41.519
in this situation, like you ponder that she's terrified, she

645
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:43.440
keeps going to court, she's scared of him, she's scared

646
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.280
of him, she's scared of him. A protective order was

647
00:38:46.280 --> 00:38:51.480
approved against him, Yet you're willing to go jack his

648
00:38:51.639 --> 00:38:54.320
money from him. If ever, there was a reason not

649
00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:56.760
to fuck with somebody, it's don't take their money, especially

650
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.039
if you're afraid they're gonna kill you. That goes against

651
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:04.480
everything I would think anyone would do. Kayla's search history

652
00:39:04.559 --> 00:39:09.519
was analyzed and that is where that concealed Carrie insurance

653
00:39:09.599 --> 00:39:12.719
I mentioned previously will come into play. I'm talking about

654
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:16.960
the gun insurance that she bought. So for starters, Kayla

655
00:39:17.039 --> 00:39:20.519
had been searching self defense laws and stand your ground

656
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.599
laws in the weeks prior to the shooting and killing

657
00:39:23.679 --> 00:39:27.199
of Thomas. And while people right now can argue, look,

658
00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:29.400
she was terrified of him and that's why she was

659
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.639
doing all of this. I possibly could have gotten on

660
00:39:32.719 --> 00:39:36.480
board with that argument until I learned something else in

661
00:39:36.559 --> 00:39:39.280
my own research, and it all is going to go

662
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:42.719
back to that damn laptop. That's where she was doing

663
00:39:42.719 --> 00:39:46.440
her searches for self defense. But you have to ask yourself,

664
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:50.960
if you looked up something innocently on the Internet because

665
00:39:51.079 --> 00:39:54.360
you were afraid for your life, would you then go

666
00:39:54.480 --> 00:40:00.679
in and delete that search history, like specifically just that

667
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:03.800
search history. I kind of sat on that for a

668
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:05.960
second because I thought, have I ever gone in and

669
00:40:06.000 --> 00:40:08.480
deleted my search history? And the answer is like, no,

670
00:40:09.480 --> 00:40:12.079
I've never done that. I mean, I've cleared the cachet

671
00:40:12.159 --> 00:40:15.320
or whatever. But I don't go in and delete my

672
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:19.880
search history. Who bothers with that? But Kayla did, and

673
00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:25.119
I can't understand why it was her laptop. She's arguing

674
00:40:25.440 --> 00:40:28.599
that this was allegedly a legitimate a concern of hers,

675
00:40:28.840 --> 00:40:32.960
so why delete it? And then just so happened to

676
00:40:32.960 --> 00:40:36.039
give that laptop to your sister, while also telling her

677
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.519
it doesn't exist over a jail phone call. The totality

678
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.079
of circumstances here, it matters to me. And then there

679
00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:47.679
was trusty old Snapchat. Okay, everyone thinks Snapchat messages disappear

680
00:40:47.719 --> 00:40:50.719
after thirty seconds. Bullshit. Go read the fine print, every

681
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.920
picture you've ever taken, everything you've ever written. It's in

682
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:55.960
the cloud. They have it, cops can get it. Just

683
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:58.679
know that. Okay. But there were messages between Kayla and

684
00:40:58.760 --> 00:41:02.719
Jennifer that were recover her friend, and in early twenty eighteen,

685
00:41:03.199 --> 00:41:06.800
Jennifer and Kayla were chatting it up when Kayla said

686
00:41:06.840 --> 00:41:12.920
to her friend she wanted to kill Thomas. Uh, that's

687
00:41:13.039 --> 00:41:18.119
convenient considering this investigation. So now what's gonna happen is

688
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:20.039
people can argue that, oh, it was just an off

689
00:41:20.039 --> 00:41:24.880
color joke. But you know, saying like, h I could

690
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.280
kill him for this. But after she said she wanted

691
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.320
to kill Thomas, she then directly asked to borrow Jennifer's gun,

692
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:36.960
which Jennifer politely refused. Okay. Then in August, after she

693
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.320
refused to give her the gun, she sent a picture

694
00:41:39.679 --> 00:41:41.559
of the gun that she went and bought in Texas

695
00:41:41.679 --> 00:41:46.000
to Jennifer. And then she went on and asked Jennifer

696
00:41:46.039 --> 00:41:50.800
if she knew anything about self defense insurance. And this

697
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:55.280
is why that USCCA insurance becomes interesting. Now it's common

698
00:41:55.440 --> 00:41:58.639
ish that people purchase this type of insurance. Basically, it's

699
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.440
for people who want to be responsible gun owners and

700
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:03.239
if they ever get in a situation where they have

701
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:07.239
to use deadly force, this company will provide coverage and

702
00:42:07.320 --> 00:42:10.000
monetary support should you have to go to court and

703
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:14.639
defend yourself or your property or whatever financially. Now, USCCA

704
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:17.800
stands for United States Concealed Carey Association, and I will

705
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:20.760
tell you that as of the date of this recording,

706
00:42:21.079 --> 00:42:25.199
they do have over eight hundred and sixty thousand active members.

707
00:42:25.400 --> 00:42:28.559
All Right, They hold workshops, they give advice as well

708
00:42:28.599 --> 00:42:32.119
as training modules and things like that. Well, Kayla had

709
00:42:32.159 --> 00:42:35.679
purchased the platinum membership when she purchased that little Ruger

710
00:42:35.760 --> 00:42:39.960
three eighty in Texas. Specifically, she got that contract for

711
00:42:40.000 --> 00:42:43.800
the insurance on September the first. Follow this real quick.

712
00:42:44.239 --> 00:42:48.079
She got that insurance on September the first. On September

713
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:52.800
the fourth is when she researched self defense laws okay,

714
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:57.559
and again reminder, she shot and killed Thomas four days

715
00:42:57.559 --> 00:43:03.480
after that. Now continuing with those snapchats in August, Kayla

716
00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.480
also told her friend that she had deleted all of

717
00:43:06.519 --> 00:43:09.960
her social media accounts and that she might direct quote

718
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:14.400
make the news and might need a fundraiser for bail money.

719
00:43:16.079 --> 00:43:18.760
There was also another interesting find on the laptop which

720
00:43:18.760 --> 00:43:22.199
was dated September fourth, again the same date as the

721
00:43:22.239 --> 00:43:25.480
self defense law research she did, and the name of

722
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:31.440
this document was a notice of intent to relocate with child.

723
00:43:32.480 --> 00:43:35.960
So obviously she was wanting to take their child elsewhere.

724
00:43:36.239 --> 00:43:37.800
I mean, I shouldn't need to really explain what that

725
00:43:37.840 --> 00:43:40.440
means any further, but let's talk about that for a second.

726
00:43:41.320 --> 00:43:45.079
That kind of would become probably an issue between her

727
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:49.000
and Thomas. And that's when a light bulb went off

728
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:52.239
on something that I had read and didn't initially have

729
00:43:52.320 --> 00:43:57.039
in this podcast, see when that whole slapping incident happened.

730
00:43:57.480 --> 00:44:01.519
Thomas told the reporting officer that the reason Kayla slapped

731
00:44:01.599 --> 00:44:04.800
him was because she got upset with him because she

732
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:07.840
was wanting to move to live with her new boyfriend,

733
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:11.760
and Thomas was pissed about it because the new boyfriend,

734
00:44:11.880 --> 00:44:16.280
he said, was a drug addict. Kayla claimed that that

735
00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:20.079
slap was in retaliation to Thomas slamming her leg in

736
00:44:20.159 --> 00:44:25.360
the door, but she never mentioned the boyfriend argument. However,

737
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:29.320
the letter to relocate was found in the laptop, so

738
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:32.800
that to me, screams, Thomas was telling the truth. Thomas

739
00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:36.079
was telling the truth. And then another officer, his name

740
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:40.800
was Lynn Hall. He had investigated another alleged incident of

741
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:44.599
violence between Kayla and Thomas, and this again was during

742
00:44:44.639 --> 00:44:47.280
a custody exchange, this time at a Kroger parking lot.

743
00:44:47.840 --> 00:44:52.239
And this is that incident where the door accidentally bumped

744
00:44:52.280 --> 00:44:56.400
Kayla's butt okay or her thigh or whatever. Officer Hall

745
00:44:56.920 --> 00:45:01.159
personally saw quote red markings on top Thomas's face and

746
00:45:01.320 --> 00:45:05.719
noted that he had a knot above his eyebrow end

747
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:10.559
quote a knot. So while writing up the report again

748
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:13.400
Thomas didn't want to have her arrested, He just wanted

749
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:16.760
it documented. And when asked, what did you do whenever

750
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:20.719
she was hitting on you, Thomas told the officer he

751
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:24.360
didn't retaliate and that he basically quote held himself back

752
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.800
end quote until Kayla quit hitting him. Even More text

753
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:34.360
messages exchanged between Kayla and that friend. This friend's name

754
00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:37.400
was Natasha. This was on August thirteenth. This was a

755
00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:42.039
few days after Thomas reported that he had again been

756
00:45:42.119 --> 00:45:46.639
hit by Kayla. Natasha said, quote, hopefully his eye is

757
00:45:46.719 --> 00:45:50.440
still black end quote, to which Kayla replied, quote we

758
00:45:50.559 --> 00:45:53.280
have to meet our daughter's teacher in the morning. His

759
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:58.000
pride is dead. Then she used a racial slur right there,

760
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:03.639
says racial slur has a black eye. Okay, so she's

761
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:10.159
proving basically or these instances have physical proof witnessed by others.

762
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:13.679
And then messages that now coincide. I can't ignore that

763
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:19.400
she was hitting Thomas. She was hurting Thomas. Additional messages

764
00:46:19.679 --> 00:46:23.119
from Kayla's phone would also show that the morning of

765
00:46:23.199 --> 00:46:26.679
the shooting, Thomas wanted to meet at a police station,

766
00:46:27.719 --> 00:46:31.760
but Kayla said, no, let's just meet at the walmart

767
00:46:31.800 --> 00:46:36.280
close to my house. He wanted to go to a walmart.

768
00:46:36.599 --> 00:46:41.159
If you were terrified, absolutely terrified of your soon to

769
00:46:41.159 --> 00:46:44.239
be ex husband, and you're soon to be ex husband, said,

770
00:46:44.440 --> 00:46:47.320
let's meet at a police station the very day of

771
00:46:47.400 --> 00:46:51.119
the shooting. Wouldn't you agree to go to the police station.

772
00:46:51.719 --> 00:46:54.880
Wouldn't you agree? YEA, let's do that. I would unless

773
00:46:54.920 --> 00:46:57.639
you possibly had other plans and you didn't want to

774
00:46:57.639 --> 00:46:59.719
be at a police station. And I'm only looking at

775
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.360
these individual circumstances as I would expect any other prudent

776
00:47:03.400 --> 00:47:08.800
person to consider. And you know, I'm not just convinced

777
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.440
of her fear at this point of needing to use

778
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.280
deadly force at this juncture. As I'm podcasting to you

779
00:47:15.360 --> 00:47:18.239
right now, how do you feel? Think this through? Now?

780
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:22.800
Here's the other kicker to this whole debacle. Uscca was

781
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:27.079
immediately contacted by Kayla after the shooting. And I know

782
00:47:27.119 --> 00:47:29.599
what you're thinking, Oh, within a week or so, or

783
00:47:29.639 --> 00:47:31.960
a day or a week or so, But no, as

784
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:35.599
in the moment she shot him, she called nine one one.

785
00:47:36.280 --> 00:47:39.159
She did then hang up on nine one one early

786
00:47:39.719 --> 00:47:43.159
and would not repeat answer repeated attempts by dispatchers to

787
00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:46.840
call her back. She ignored them because she then called

788
00:47:46.960 --> 00:47:50.239
us CCA, Like, think that through for a second. You

789
00:47:50.440 --> 00:47:53.519
just had to shoot for your life. You had to

790
00:47:54.039 --> 00:47:56.639
kill somebody that was jumping on you, and you thought

791
00:47:56.639 --> 00:47:59.199
that they were going to end your life. You pulled

792
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:02.400
a gun and you were willing to shoot and kill somebody.

793
00:48:02.440 --> 00:48:05.239
You were so afraid. Yet you still have the presence

794
00:48:05.239 --> 00:48:07.960
of mind to not answer the nine one one calls

795
00:48:07.960 --> 00:48:10.599
that are trying to come in repeatedly, and then you

796
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:15.360
call an insurance company on scene. Does that even Does

797
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:17.880
that even sit well with you? Because it doesn't with

798
00:48:18.079 --> 00:48:24.079
me either way. This USCCA paid out fifty thousand dollars

799
00:48:24.639 --> 00:48:27.440
at first. Okay, this was probably the retainer fee for

800
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.320
the initial attorney. I'm assuming I don't know that, but

801
00:48:30.360 --> 00:48:33.199
they did give her fifty grand, but then damn near

802
00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:39.360
immediately afterward, they dropped their coverage of her, and people

803
00:48:39.360 --> 00:48:42.119
who were gun owners and people who are like, wait

804
00:48:42.119 --> 00:48:44.519
a minute, that's what the policy was for. How can

805
00:48:44.559 --> 00:48:47.320
they drop her? That's what they were promising was to

806
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.000
cover her and to ensure her if she ever had

807
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:53.039
to use deadly force. How could they possibly do this? Well?

808
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:57.519
The answer is that the case was reviewed by USCCA attorneys,

809
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:01.599
and when they saw everything, including like I guess, the

810
00:49:01.719 --> 00:49:05.480
video and all of that, they kind of went, whoa, whoa, whoa,

811
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:10.119
this looks like murder. This does not look like self defense.

812
00:49:11.039 --> 00:49:13.079
And to me, that's pretty huge. I mean, after all,

813
00:49:13.119 --> 00:49:17.639
the policy was intended to defend people, that's what it's for,

814
00:49:18.079 --> 00:49:23.639
and they were like whoa. So when people then got

815
00:49:24.079 --> 00:49:26.079
in arms about this locally, they can't do that. They're

816
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:28.519
an insurance company. Well, I guess what I can tell

817
00:49:28.519 --> 00:49:32.440
you is that there is a clause in the contract

818
00:49:32.480 --> 00:49:35.079
if you look it up, and it excludes coverage for

819
00:49:35.159 --> 00:49:39.480
what they call quote unquote criminal acts. The coverage is

820
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:42.119
more intended to protect you from losing everything you own

821
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:46.239
for having to shoot somebody, but that doesn't include if

822
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.840
you do so with criminal intent. And the cops obviously

823
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:52.119
felt like she had criminal intent because they arrested her,

824
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:56.320
But now so did USCCA, who prides themselves on defending

825
00:49:56.360 --> 00:50:01.000
gun owners. So they dropped her immediately because they felt

826
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:05.199
that her actions were basically indefensible. This did not look

827
00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:08.119
like a self defense case to them. So Kyla's now

828
00:50:08.119 --> 00:50:11.840
in jail and she's tasked with mounting her defense without

829
00:50:11.920 --> 00:50:16.239
the financial assistance of USCCA. So she sits in jail

830
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:22.119
until the following year when she contacts Red River Bank.

831
00:50:22.599 --> 00:50:25.159
Now why do I bring this up? Well, she was

832
00:50:25.199 --> 00:50:28.360
wanting to withdraw some funds from the bank. But here's

833
00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:33.599
the thing. Thomas banked with Red River Bank, not her.

834
00:50:35.039 --> 00:50:38.159
So the bank manager and Kayla are basically emailing back

835
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.199
and forth because the bank manager is kind of like

836
00:50:41.400 --> 00:50:44.880
unclear on whether Kayla is in charge of his estate

837
00:50:45.199 --> 00:50:48.639
or whether his parents are in charge of his estate. Well,

838
00:50:48.719 --> 00:50:52.719
Kayla became very upset during this communication, and she said, okay,

839
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:55.440
So basically the bank, y'all are unwilling to cooperate with me,

840
00:50:56.000 --> 00:50:58.840
even though Louisiana law says that his parents only have

841
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:02.000
to be notified that I am, you know, the widow here.

842
00:51:02.360 --> 00:51:05.480
You know, I'm the one that's that's left for the estate.

843
00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:09.400
But Kayla conveniently never mentioned to the bank that she

844
00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:14.800
had already already been denied succession of Thomas's estate that

845
00:51:14.880 --> 00:51:18.280
had already been established. She also never mentioned that she

846
00:51:18.519 --> 00:51:21.719
was the one in the pending criminal case for his murder.

847
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:24.960
She never brought any of that up. Yet She's mad

848
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:26.920
at the bank because they won't hand over the cash.

849
00:51:27.079 --> 00:51:30.199
Matter of fact, she also never mentioned that back in

850
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.199
June of twenty eighteen, the ex couple now they had

851
00:51:34.320 --> 00:51:38.480
already signed their separation of property agreement. She had no

852
00:51:38.679 --> 00:51:41.480
right to his money, and she knew it, and she

853
00:51:41.599 --> 00:51:43.880
still was fighting with the bank. That's what I would

854
00:51:43.920 --> 00:51:47.840
call fraud, not to mention the anguish that she was

855
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:53.079
now putting on Thomas's already grieving family. Always it seems

856
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.440
like they were fighting a battle with this chick. Imagine

857
00:51:55.480 --> 00:51:59.400
someone charged with killing your son, killing your brother, you

858
00:51:59.440 --> 00:52:02.079
know what I mean. She took his life, and now

859
00:52:02.119 --> 00:52:05.280
she's trying to wipe out his bank account a year later.

860
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.840
I cannot imagine how that would feel, but I can

861
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.239
tell you I would be pissed. I would be so enraged.

862
00:52:12.960 --> 00:52:15.159
And by the way, just in case you're someone who's

863
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:17.400
friends with Kayla and you are going to try to

864
00:52:17.440 --> 00:52:19.960
call bullshit on what I'm telling you, an attorney for

865
00:52:20.079 --> 00:52:23.760
Red River Bank also verified that there are laws in

866
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:27.760
place that the spouse of a decedent can have access

867
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:31.960
to their bank account, but there are also laws in

868
00:52:31.960 --> 00:52:35.719
place that prohibit that if you are the spouse that

869
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:40.280
caused the death of the other spouse, Okay, so she

870
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:43.920
was breaking the law by what she was attempting to do. Well,

871
00:52:43.960 --> 00:52:46.679
this had me curious, and I did some more digging

872
00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:52.400
on Kayla. Okay, and you're going to see, if you

873
00:52:52.440 --> 00:52:53.880
look at this up on your own at all, that

874
00:52:53.920 --> 00:52:56.159
they're going to say that she had no criminal record,

875
00:52:56.480 --> 00:52:59.159
that she was a law abiding citizen. Even her own

876
00:52:59.159 --> 00:53:02.159
attorneys stated that at one point in something that I read.

877
00:53:02.639 --> 00:53:08.920
But I found something that is documented where Kayla had

878
00:53:08.960 --> 00:53:13.239
a burglary charge on her record, but this had been

879
00:53:13.239 --> 00:53:16.920
some years prior and she was able to get that expunged.

880
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.880
So while this means nothing by itself, it does seem

881
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:25.599
to show me a history of problematic behavior and taking

882
00:53:25.639 --> 00:53:30.320
what's not yours. So eventually the murder trial made its

883
00:53:30.320 --> 00:53:33.400
way to court, and Kayla's defense would basically be based

884
00:53:33.440 --> 00:53:35.960
on the stand your ground doctrine that I know a

885
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.280
lot of us have heard a lot about in recent years. Basically,

886
00:53:39.360 --> 00:53:41.599
it was a self defense claim and she's saying that

887
00:53:41.639 --> 00:53:43.960
she stood her ground. But I want to just learn

888
00:53:44.000 --> 00:53:48.079
you something real fast, that there's basic criteria on stand

889
00:53:48.079 --> 00:53:51.519
your ground laws, with some adjustments here and there. Okay,

890
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:55.199
but I want you to listen and weigh what I'm

891
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:59.000
explaining to you with what you know to be a

892
00:53:59.039 --> 00:54:03.840
core truth. Number one, you have to have reasonable fear.

893
00:54:04.320 --> 00:54:06.840
You have to reasonably believe that you are imminent danger

894
00:54:06.920 --> 00:54:12.119
of death or great bodily harm. Number two, the danger

895
00:54:12.159 --> 00:54:16.760
has to be immediate, and it states explicitly a verbal

896
00:54:16.880 --> 00:54:21.920
threat alone is usually not enough unless accompanied by actions

897
00:54:22.079 --> 00:54:26.199
showing immediate harm. The next one, you have to have

898
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.360
a legal right to be in the location where the

899
00:54:29.400 --> 00:54:31.639
force is used, so you're home, your car, or whatever.

900
00:54:32.400 --> 00:54:35.480
It says you have no duty to retreat, which means

901
00:54:35.480 --> 00:54:39.280
you're not required to try to escape before using force,

902
00:54:39.360 --> 00:54:43.519
which is different from traditional self defense laws. It says

903
00:54:43.519 --> 00:54:47.840
you cannot have started the confrontation or be engaged in

904
00:54:47.920 --> 00:54:52.800
criminal activity. And then the main thing here is the

905
00:54:52.920 --> 00:54:58.639
force has to be reasonable and proportionate to the threat faced,

906
00:54:58.760 --> 00:55:02.760
meaning you can't use deadly against a minor threat. Well,

907
00:55:02.800 --> 00:55:07.199
based on her own statements after the shooting and continuing

908
00:55:07.280 --> 00:55:11.719
in through the investigative process, she continued to reiterate the

909
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:15.239
lesser standard is what occurred. She said, he called me

910
00:55:15.280 --> 00:55:19.039
a bitch, and he jumped at me. Those are her

911
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:23.159
own words, Even those two claims that I've told you

912
00:55:23.679 --> 00:55:27.320
don't meet the muster of needing to kill someone. Not

913
00:55:27.480 --> 00:55:31.039
to mention the video evidence does not support her claim.

914
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:35.519
There's a presumption of reasonableness in stand your ground laws, okay,

915
00:55:35.880 --> 00:55:39.480
And it's not a license to kill because you were

916
00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.079
just scared. It's not how this works, and people seem

917
00:55:42.119 --> 00:55:45.639
to mis understand that. So while Kayla was well within

918
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:49.000
her rights to stand her ground and protect herself if necessary,

919
00:55:49.360 --> 00:55:53.599
she was not entitled to orchestrate a situation wherein she

920
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:58.960
then falsely exercised those rights. And the prosecution agreed with

921
00:55:59.000 --> 00:56:01.360
what I'm saying to you right now now because they

922
00:56:01.440 --> 00:56:05.159
then put on a masterclass of laying out everything in

923
00:56:05.480 --> 00:56:07.840
order for the jury, which I'm going to do for

924
00:56:07.880 --> 00:56:10.440
you right now. And it's all going to make sense

925
00:56:10.840 --> 00:56:13.280
when I put it in order and I outline everything

926
00:56:13.320 --> 00:56:18.199
that happened in just twenty eighteen, You're ready. Thomas filed

927
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:22.840
for divorce, and that custody battle ensued. On August nineteenth.

928
00:56:23.440 --> 00:56:27.719
Kayla found Thomas's bank information and then fraudulently made payments

929
00:56:28.400 --> 00:56:31.320
for all of the children's tuition. She then confirmed this

930
00:56:31.480 --> 00:56:34.000
by bragging to her friend about using the account she

931
00:56:34.079 --> 00:56:37.840
found The next day, a judge ordered that the couple

932
00:56:37.840 --> 00:56:42.480
would share custody of their biological child during the month

933
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:48.000
of August. That entire month, Kayla was researching specifically shooting

934
00:56:48.159 --> 00:56:52.639
related scenarios on both her laptop and her cell phone,

935
00:56:52.800 --> 00:56:55.199
and I want to give you the exact searches. These

936
00:56:55.239 --> 00:57:01.599
are quotes self defense inside a car. She also looked

937
00:57:01.639 --> 00:57:06.400
up arrested after self defense, and she also searched details

938
00:57:06.480 --> 00:57:11.239
about another Louisiana case where a person had escaped criminal

939
00:57:11.280 --> 00:57:16.760
liability in Louisiana for shooting somebody. She then deleted all

940
00:57:16.840 --> 00:57:21.079
of that history on her devices. In the meantime, the

941
00:57:21.159 --> 00:57:25.559
custody exchanges were continuing, Kayla was assaulting Thomas, who then

942
00:57:25.599 --> 00:57:28.880
would report these incidences to police, and they were documented.

943
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:31.960
One at the Kroger's, one at the Tattoo Shop parking lot,

944
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:35.039
which I covered. One instant she slapped Thomas in the

945
00:57:35.079 --> 00:57:38.400
face and another she punched him. The wounds were obvious,

946
00:57:38.559 --> 00:57:41.239
and then she bragged and she laughed about it to

947
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:45.960
her friends. Kayla and Thomas continued to argue. The tension escalated.

948
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:48.599
That's when Kayla asked to bar the gun. Her friend

949
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:52.360
said no. Kayla deleted all of her social media accounts,

950
00:57:53.079 --> 00:57:56.159
and I'm assuming this was because they were unbecoming and

951
00:57:56.320 --> 00:57:59.639
likely contradictory to her whole battered and scared woman claims

952
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.199
she would later make, and then she told her friends

953
00:58:02.239 --> 00:58:04.440
about it, followed up with the fact that she was

954
00:58:04.480 --> 00:58:07.400
going to make the news and need bail money. Protective

955
00:58:07.480 --> 00:58:11.000
orders were then signed against both of them. Kayla gave

956
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.760
her laptop to her sister after she deleted that search

957
00:58:13.840 --> 00:58:17.800
history just two weeks before the shooting. Twelve days before

958
00:58:17.840 --> 00:58:20.039
the shooting, she purchased the gun in Texas, as well

959
00:58:20.079 --> 00:58:23.119
as the self defense insurance. Then she sent pictures of

960
00:58:23.119 --> 00:58:26.360
the gun to her friend. She got that gun, by

961
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:29.159
the way, just a reminder in direct non compliance of

962
00:58:29.199 --> 00:58:32.719
the protective order rules and laws. She was also asked

963
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.480
in Texas when purchasing that gun if she was currently

964
00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:40.199
under any type of criminal case, including protective orders, to

965
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:44.519
which she answered no on the application, and because she

966
00:58:44.559 --> 00:58:47.360
owned a concealed carry permit in Texas, she was able

967
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:51.320
to get the weapon without a formal background check. That's

968
00:58:51.400 --> 00:58:55.760
devius now that you look at it in perspective. September fourth,

969
00:58:56.079 --> 00:58:58.880
she created that document of intent to relocate her child

970
00:58:59.199 --> 00:59:02.000
September seventh, she was served with that paperwork for the

971
00:59:02.039 --> 00:59:05.360
possible custody agreement adjustments and that she would owe Thomas money.

972
00:59:05.679 --> 00:59:08.360
And then September eighth, Thomas says, let's meet at the

973
00:59:08.360 --> 00:59:11.760
police station. She says no, They go to Walmart and

974
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:16.440
she shoots and kills him. She then attempted to withdraw

975
00:59:16.519 --> 00:59:20.039
his bank funds the following year, not to mention, I

976
00:59:20.079 --> 00:59:22.280
did some more digging where I found reports that she

977
00:59:22.440 --> 00:59:27.920
also stole Thomas's sister's identification and fraudulently took out credit

978
00:59:27.960 --> 00:59:34.760
cards or something of that nature, and was violating his

979
00:59:34.880 --> 00:59:39.000
sister basically. And as the result of that arrest, warrants

980
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:43.719
in multiple states were issued for Thomas's sister. It wasn't

981
00:59:43.800 --> 00:59:47.599
until the Attorney General for Louisiana had to get involved

982
00:59:47.760 --> 00:59:50.519
and called these other states to advise them of the

983
00:59:50.599 --> 00:59:55.000
situation and that Thomas's sister was not a criminal. The

984
00:59:55.079 --> 00:59:59.320
jury listened intently during the trial and even more came

985
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:04.199
to light for Starters. Her own child's testimony changed when

986
01:00:04.239 --> 01:00:09.119
she went the oldest daughter when she went and testified

987
01:00:09.159 --> 01:00:13.559
in court, she said she never saw Thomas jump at

988
01:00:13.559 --> 01:00:17.239
her mother. The day of the shooting. Kayla's friend also

989
01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:22.880
testified she never saw Thomas abuse Kayla. Some forensics in

990
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.480
terms of the casing for the bullet that struck and

991
01:00:25.599 --> 01:00:28.599
killed Thomas were very interesting to me as well during

992
01:00:28.599 --> 01:00:32.320
this trial, because she told police over and over that

993
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:34.599
he was on top of her. Remember, he jerked the

994
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:36.800
car door open, he jumped on top of her, and

995
01:00:36.880 --> 01:00:39.760
she had to shoot out of fear. Well, when a

996
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.920
gun is shot, that casing ejects up out of the

997
01:00:42.960 --> 01:00:46.360
gun and to the left, up and to the left. Okay,

998
01:00:46.760 --> 01:00:49.000
that would mean that if he was on top of

999
01:00:49.039 --> 01:00:51.039
her in the car and she took the gun and

1000
01:00:51.079 --> 01:00:53.639
she had to shoot, where would that bullet casing land

1001
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:57.119
Let me guess, up and to the left, which means

1002
01:00:57.159 --> 01:01:03.079
it would have fallen inside the car. Well, let's add

1003
01:01:03.119 --> 01:01:06.639
to that also, not to mention the whole calamity of

1004
01:01:06.760 --> 01:01:10.239
if he jerked the door open and her gun was

1005
01:01:10.239 --> 01:01:13.360
in the holster in the door, how did you even

1006
01:01:13.440 --> 01:01:14.840
get it out of the hole sster? How did you

1007
01:01:14.880 --> 01:01:17.199
reach it that fast? How could you do any of

1008
01:01:17.239 --> 01:01:19.039
this if you're trying to pull the door back shut

1009
01:01:19.079 --> 01:01:21.119
and it happened in less than three seconds, how could

1010
01:01:21.159 --> 01:01:23.719
any of that happen either way. You know where the

1011
01:01:23.719 --> 01:01:28.840
bullet casing was found on the ground outside of her vehicle,

1012
01:01:29.760 --> 01:01:34.239
not on the inside. That's interesting to me. Kayla Giles

1013
01:01:34.400 --> 01:01:38.679
went out of her way to make Thomas Kouti Junior miserable,

1014
01:01:38.920 --> 01:01:41.760
and she was physically abusive to him in the process.

1015
01:01:42.239 --> 01:01:45.760
Thomas did everything he should have or that he could

1016
01:01:45.760 --> 01:01:48.920
have to document the situation and let the courts do

1017
01:01:49.039 --> 01:01:53.360
their job, but Kayla would never let that happen. She

1018
01:01:53.599 --> 01:01:56.840
planned his murder ahead of time and took steps to

1019
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:00.559
hide her planning before she enacted her plan to mention

1020
01:02:00.960 --> 01:02:04.119
the very thing she researched became the very events that

1021
01:02:04.199 --> 01:02:08.039
took place. And we all know I don't believe in coincidences.

1022
01:02:09.480 --> 01:02:12.519
The jury agreed with that opinion too, and Kayla Giles

1023
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:15.679
was found guilty of the second degree murder of Thomas

1024
01:02:15.800 --> 01:02:18.599
Cootie Junior. She was sentenced to life in prison for

1025
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:23.320
his murder, plus thirty years for obstruction of justice. Now,

1026
01:02:24.400 --> 01:02:27.320
I wouldn't be a good podcaster if I didn't let

1027
01:02:27.320 --> 01:02:30.599
you know that there is a fundraiser online. It's on

1028
01:02:30.800 --> 01:02:35.239
spot fund for Kayla, with a goal of raising twenty

1029
01:02:35.320 --> 01:02:39.480
five thousand dollars to help her continue to defend herself

1030
01:02:39.519 --> 01:02:42.519
in court. Okay, I need you to know that so

1031
01:02:42.679 --> 01:02:45.440
far in the past few years, they have raised a

1032
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:50.400
total of thirty five dollars towards that goal. Oh. Also,

1033
01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:53.320
by the way, they means her, because I looked into

1034
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:55.760
who the creator of that fundraiser was and it was Kayla.

1035
01:02:56.400 --> 01:03:00.199
She did it. Also, if you want to speak to

1036
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:03.880
Kayla yourself, if you feel so led, you can do

1037
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.440
so on what's called Wire of Hope. It's a website

1038
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.599
and there she has made a profile and she states

1039
01:03:10.639 --> 01:03:14.639
that prison is lonely, and she declares herself a Christian

1040
01:03:14.760 --> 01:03:18.000
as well as an Aquarius. And to that note, I

1041
01:03:18.039 --> 01:03:19.800
would let you like to let you know that if

1042
01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:22.079
you want to speak to Thomas, it's gonna be a

1043
01:03:22.079 --> 01:03:24.719
little bit more difficult. I'm sure it's lonely in the

1044
01:03:24.760 --> 01:03:27.840
cemetery as well. Also, you can't email there, so you'll

1045
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.679
have to actually drive like his parents and his sister

1046
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.400
and his friends and his cousins do if they want

1047
01:03:33.440 --> 01:03:35.679
to visit him. You have to get in your car

1048
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:39.079
and you're gonna have to travel to Alexandria Memorial Gardens.

1049
01:03:39.519 --> 01:03:42.480
If you want to do that also, he was not

1050
01:03:42.679 --> 01:03:47.079
able to interact obviously or give any details about anything.

1051
01:03:47.159 --> 01:03:51.239
So there's just his name on a cold stone, and

1052
01:03:51.280 --> 01:03:53.199
that's what you have to look at if you want

1053
01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:58.639
to do that. Now. I noticed this too. Kayla described

1054
01:03:58.679 --> 01:04:02.599
herself pretty well hell on her pinpal website. Getting down

1055
01:04:02.639 --> 01:04:07.159
to the details, she describes her brown eyes and her

1056
01:04:07.199 --> 01:04:11.239
brown hair. But where she lost me was when she

1057
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:16.000
described herself as a widow, because that implies you lost

1058
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:21.840
your husband. But she didn't lose him, y'all. She murdered him.

1059
01:04:22.280 --> 01:04:26.079
So if color matters in terms of her eyes and

1060
01:04:26.159 --> 01:04:29.360
her hair, I think it important that we color her

1061
01:04:29.400 --> 01:04:31.719
marital status as well, because maybe I can tell you

1062
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:48.800
one thing. I know a black widow when I see one.