March 12, 2025

Part 2 | Obsessed: The Susan Powell Case

Part 2 | Obsessed: The Susan Powell Case

In this episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings concludes the story of the 2009 disappearance of Susan Powell, examining her troubled marriage to Josh, his controlling behavior, and Susan's documented fears, setting the stage...

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Season 7

In this episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings concludes the story of the 2009 disappearance of Susan Powell, examining her troubled marriage to Josh, his controlling behavior, and Susan's documented fears, setting the stage for a deeper investigation into her case.


Timestamps
05:20 Stephen Powell's Obsession
08:38 Voyeurism and Its Consequences
13:24 Family Dynamics and Control
15:05 The Divorced Parents' History
18:50 The Search Warrant Execution
24:27 The Arrest of Stephen Powell
26:32 Custody Battle Over the Boys
29:08 Children's Perspectives
42:23 Visitation Day
51:42 A Dangerous Situation
54:54 The House Explosion
58:38 The Aftermath of Tragedy
1:04:33 The Unraveling of Josh's Actions

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Executive Producer: Jim Chapman

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ here, back for no other episode of Unspeakable. How's

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it going in your neck of the woods. I am

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having a fantastic week. I have knocked some things off

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of my my bucket list that I'm gonna be releasing

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to y'all soon, and I'm just tickled pink about everything

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that's gone down of the last few days in my life.

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I hope that you have met some goals yourself, because

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it's just the best feeling, you know, whenever you're meeting

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dreams and goals and all of that. Let me do

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some shout outs for you though right now. This one's

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pretty cool. This is gonna be from Miss Vicki Armitage.

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I know you wanted your shout out, girl, and I'm

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giving it to you. She is from EMU Planes, South Wales, Australia,

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across the world from me and listening to this podcast,

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and I'm just I'm just so tickled pink by that

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I've never been to Australia. Well, I was at the

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thunder Down Unda in Vegas one time, the Male Strip Show,

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but I don't know if that counts. I hope you're

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doing well on Miss VICKI. I hope that you're having

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a wonderful week. I know you told me also that

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I believe one of your sons had his birthday this week,

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so you tell I said, happy birthday. And I hope

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that things are going great for y'all in your neck

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of the woods. I've also got Beth Whittaker from and

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I hope it don't jack this up. Beth Whittaker from

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New braun Fules, Texas. I hope I said that right.

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How are you doing over there in Texas, Beth, I

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hope things are going great for you. I'm a fan

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of Texas. I have a whole lot of listeners there

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and so y'all are my people, and I love having you.

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Another text that I have from San Antonio, Texas, Catherine

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van Horn. That's a good name, that's a solid name.

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My name is Katherine van Horn. I hope you use that.

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Put your chest with it when you say a girl.

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I love it. I hope you're doing well. Thank you

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so much for joining my Patreon. And then, last but

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not least, today, I've got miss Leslie Kolb from Derritter,

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Louisiana right here in my neck of the woods. That's awesome.

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All right, So we're gonna start part two, and yes,

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I will finish this story today. But told it took

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me a full two episodes to get this done. So

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let's go back to Washington where we were with the

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Joshua Powell Susan Powell fiasco that's going on. I left

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off last episode with the cringe worthy song that Stephen

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Powell wrote for his missing daughter in law Susan. And

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by the way, if you're a new listener, don't start

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on this episode. Go back one before you listen to

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this one, because this is going to be a continuation

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of the last one that I did. But Stephen Powell's

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obsession with Susan was off the charts, and it was

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something that definitely was problematic. There was something very wrong

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with the situation at hand, and everyone agreed, including Stephen's

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own daughter. She was stunned by the things that her

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father told the media about he and Susan's supposed affair

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that they were supposedly having. It was absolutely insane, and

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his own daughter thought, what are you doing? What are

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you doing? Stephen Powell clearly had been fantasizing about Susan

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for a long time. And the thing is, while he

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was saying all of this in the media and Susan,

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we don't know where she is, and she's not here

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to defend whether that's true or not. The thing is,

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in her past, she had been crystal clear. Susan was

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very clear with everyone that she felt completely creeped out

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by her father in law. At one point, early on

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in her marriage to Josh, they had moved in briefly

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with Stephen, and that would prove a very tense situation,

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very uncomfortable situation for Susan. So Susan was constantly dealing

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with unwanted advances and these these off color comments from Stephen,

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and at first she attempted to remain kind and cordial

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in that it was extremely uncomfortable, but Steven wasn't really

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taking the hint that she was not She was not interested.

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It got so bad at one point that she even

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confronted Stephen in a vehicle about his behavior. It's just

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kind of like Susan was on an island by herself,

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trying to mitigate a number of issues in her life,

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and she felt so alone, a distant husband who she

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wanted to leave because he was a total weirdo, as

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well as a father in law who was sexually forward

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with her. It's just the level of stress that this

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had to bring to this poor woman. I can't comprehend,

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and just as an outsider looking in, it stresses me

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out to Helen back. I mean, this is a lot

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to be dealing with. There was something else happening that

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Susan was unaware of, and something that was veiled in

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innocence but extremely devious in nature. Let me explain. Stephen

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Powell was always filming with his camera Christmas holidays, get

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togethers at the house, other outings when they would go,

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when they would do things together as a group. But

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what seemed like something that we all do to capture

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memories and to remember events. Was something far more perverse

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than Susan or anyone would realize. While one would assume

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that the filming he was doing was average because he

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was out in the open, he was in front of everyone,

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from behind the camera, it was anything, but it was

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what he was filming in secrecy that makes your stomach turn.

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He would be chatting and carrying on like normal when

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he's holding the camera In some of the videos, Susan's

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showing off her new leather jack jacket at Christmas, or

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she's on the phone, sitting on a stool talking to somebody,

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or you know, just normative things. But while he was

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sitting there talking normally and like this was just an

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everyday video that he was doing, his camera would zoom

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in on Susan's butt and on her thighs and in

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between her legs, and all of this was unbeknownst to

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Susan while it was happening. But y'all, it wasn't just

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that he would slink around the house and film her

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through cracked doors. She would think that she had this

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reasonable expectation of privacy in her room, but he would

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be filming her zooming in through the crack in the

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door on things like her feet while she's laying on

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the bed. It has such a creep factor that it's

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it just makes you feel sick. So what Stephen is

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doing as far as filming, that's gonna be called voyeurism.

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Statutes will vary state to state in specifics, but all

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filming is gonna have to be within some sort of reason.

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But when you're filming someone for lud or lascivious purposes,

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that's a no go across the board, every state agrees

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with that. So basically, if you're filming for perverted reasons,

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it's unacceptable filming being on film. Just so you understand this,

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being on Filming in public is okay because there's no

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expectation of absolute privacy in public places. You know, if

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you're at Disney World with your family, or you're at

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the park, or you know, even if you're shopping at Walmart,

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there's a there's a chance you'll be on someone's film.

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But we don't need your consent to do that filming.

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But if someone is filming up your skirt or down

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your shirt, or through the cracks in a in a

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restroom stall, something of that nature that that is an

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absolute no go. And I think we all understand that

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why that would be. So you add Steve's voyeuristic tendencies

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towards Susan with the songs that he would write her

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that were creepy as hell, and you have yourself a

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really big brewing problem. Steve would post these songs online

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on this self made website under his I guess entertainment

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pseudonym that he created. You're gonna love this Steve Chantrey. Hm, wow,

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doesn't that just grab your attention? Whatever? But he had

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that fake name of Steve Chantrey, and he had this website, which,

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by the way, is totally self indulgent. It's maroon and

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white with the title the Music of Steve Chantrey, and

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uh yeah, I can't his photo on the top of

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him of it is him sitting like on a large

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rock and it's got the Seattle skyline at night behind him,

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and it's like his attempt at looking sexy. It just

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misses the mark. And his vocals have so much to

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be desired. So in my searching of him and my research,

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I did find some online posts of his music, and

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this song I found interesting. The opening lyrics are odd.

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Give it a listen and let's see what you think.

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I said I love Is that a cry?

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And look if I said to you one long time.

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I love, so put me into jail. I said I love.

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I couldn't health lift and we're mistaking.

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If you thought I shelf did?

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I said, I love you, so put me in jail?

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What the hell is that about? Remember, Susan is missing, gone,

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and all this weird shit just keeps getting weirder and weirder.

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That music, y'all. Oh well, maybe it was unintentionally prophetic

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in some way, because when the police decided to look

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further into Steven via a search warrant of course, of

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the home, they were shook with the by the inappropriate

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filming of Susan that they found tons of videos of her.

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He would slide mirrors underdoors to try and see Susan

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in the bathroom, y'all. He would steal her clothing and

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then make videos of him with it, narrating his feelings

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on these voyeuristic videos. Listen to this portion of one

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such video. As he's filming Susan's clothing, He's got it

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laid out on a bed. Listen to this, I love.

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Putting her underwear against my face, just smelling her scent.

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This makes my skin crawl. It's gotta be making yours.

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And I didn't even have to live it, y'all. We're

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just learning about it. We didn't have to live it.

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It's just disgusting in every way. Another video, which I'll

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tell you, was mainly audio, but this was whenever Steven

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had gotten in the car with his cell phone. He

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recorded it. He hit record, and he hid the cell

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phone in the car and he recorded one of his

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own unwanted advancements he made towards Susan. Listen to the

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audio of Susan's response, because I'm gonna play it for you.

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You get to hear it in her own words. She

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is so uncomfortable, but she speaks up. It's not her.

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I feel we fall in love with you, you know.

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I'm sure the last year and a half year, I think,

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let's think you can take it then. Just for example,

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when we were sitting on the couch and just felt

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like you were very you know, I mean I was

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extremely aroused, and I think you were somewhat aroused.

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At least. I thought, I don't.

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Know where we're going in this kind of meaning to

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talk to you about this.

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As I realized the last time I.

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Came over and that my own father doesn't kiss me,

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and you you kissed me.

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And I didn't like that.

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Whoa y'all.

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I felt her when she said, my own dad doesn't

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kiss me like that, like straight up saying you are

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out of line, sir. Something from since I was in

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my twenties, maybe my late teens, is if somebody got

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stupid with me or a guy did, I would say,

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my daddy doesn't talk to me like that, and you

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sure as hell aren't either. So I wow. When she

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said that I was a girl, you and me both,

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I mean, she said it, and I feel like she

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was pretty direct with him that she wasn't interested. But

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he had continued this this this behavior. So when Susan

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went to her husband, Josh with her concern and her

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distress over his dad, Josh brushed it off and he

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basically told her that, oh, my dad's just like that,

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and he didn't mean anything by it, and and just

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dismissed what she had to say. The man was saying

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he was aroused on the couch next to her. He

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claimed on national television that she would press her breasts

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against him on a cold day, and he enjoyed it.

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I'm so sorry, but that is not That's just how

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my dad is. All that does is just validate that

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Steve's been a per of his whole life. That's all that.

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If Josh is saying that's just how my dad is, okay,

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then your dad is a pervert, that's all You're all.

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You're telling me the man you married won't even listen

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to you when his own dad is making sexual advances

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on you. That is not a man. That is a coward. Josh, unbelievable.

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And look, I'm gonna tell you all this. I'm gonna

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back up for a second. I want to tell y'all

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a little bit more about Steven and Josh that I

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found while I was I was writing this. Josh's parents, okay,

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Stephen and Tarika, that was Josh's mom. Stephen and Tarka

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had gotten married, but they were divorced and the divorce

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that they went through was ugly. When Josh was a teenager.

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I believe he was about sixteen whenever this took place,

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and according to the divorce filings by Josh's mom, this

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was in nineteen ninety two. Her husband, Stephen, was openly

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sharing pornography with their teenage sons, and her other complaint

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was that he was teaching Josh and his other brothers

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that a woman is basically not to be respected. They

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do what the man tells them to do. Stephen, according

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to Tarika, she was She described him as very anti church,

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anti c anti authority, anti morality, and very radical. That's

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a direct quote. So it kind of gives you some

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insight to how this man thinks, and that he almost

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has this egotistical view that my way is the way

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and if you don't like it, you can step off.

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So Josh had taken on. It seemed this worldview that

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Steven held, even being condescending to his own mother, telling

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her at one point, you have to earn my respect. Mom,

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this is a teenage boy. Let me tell you where

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I come from. You're gonna get smacked across your mouth.

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You talk to your mama like that. That wouldn't fly

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a day where I'm from. But that boy had the

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audacity to tell his mama, you got to earn my respect.

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After that woman carried him for nine months, fed him,

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clothed him, and raised him up, and you're gonna turn

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around talk to that woman like that. M No way now.

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During that same divorce, Josh's sister, Jennifer, who is eighteen,

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you know, the one who who the wire for police,

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And because she was just very like, I don't know

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what's going on here, Josh, she even wrote the courts

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during this divorce, and she was writing them saying how

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disturbed she was after a conversation she had had with

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her dad. So what happened then was that they were

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reading this newspaper article or discussing it over the table,

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and it was about men who stalk and kill their

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former lovers. And Jennifer asked her dad if he would

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ever do that to her mom if she left him,

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And all her dad said to her was, I'd like

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to think I wouldn't take it that far. Who says

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that to their daughter about the idea of killing her mom.

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I mean, it's arrogance at its finest. Any good parent

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would say, oh my god, no, even if your mother

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and I can't get along, and even if we have

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to get divorced, your mom is a good mama. Anyone,

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even if they didn't like the mom, anyone that's a

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good parent would dismiss that thought, but all he could

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say was, I'd like to think I wouldn't take it

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that far. That has a hint of fear factor in it.

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To me, I just I don't like that at all.

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And there was an incident too where Josh, who was

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still a teenager, remember sixteen seventeen years old, she asked

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him to do the dishes, and he grabbed a butcher

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knife in that kitchen and jumped up on her and said,

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don't push it. Can you imagine the gall to do

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that to your mother as a teenage boy. So clearly

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respect for women was out the window, even for his

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own mother and his father, Steven had been a poor

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and loving weirdo for years. Based on everything that I read,

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so now that Josh was married with kids of his own,

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Josh was very controlling, and he also would do things

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to try to like, undo whatever his wife had asked

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of their sons. For example, Susan would try to put

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the boys to bed, or would go put the boys

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to bed, tuck them in, kiss some good night, turn

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off the lights and shut the door. And then after

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she had done that, which any mama listening to this

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knows that that is the hardest thing to do is

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to get all those kids down for bed, and once

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they're finally down, you're like, oh, thank goodness. But then

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Josh would turn around and go in their rooms, wake

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them up, get them up out of the bed, and

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then tell them things like, mommy's so mean making you

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go to bed, just completely trying to overthrow any authority

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as a mom that she was, you know, putting over

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her children that you need to go to bed, you

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need to get some rest. So Steven's husband and father

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behaviors seemed to have really been impressed upon Josh, and

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then Josh was repeating them. It just seems like a

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cycle here that I'm seeing. So back to the current

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situation at hand. Police executed that search warrant on Stephen

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and Josh's home, and even more would come to light

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that would make the most seasoned investigators, It would make

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their stomachs turn. Computers and other digital items were removed

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from the home, and those would eventually expose a lot

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about Steven's perverse daily habits that he had. But it

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was a filing cabinet and some journals that caught the

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immediate attention of the police. So these journals were written

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by Susan and Josh had brought them from the original

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marital home of Josh and Susan, and when he moved

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in with his dad, he brought these journals with him.

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There were seven of them. Susan was an avid journaler

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day to day, and her thoughts and feelings were right

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there in her own words, in her own handwriting the

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filing cabinets, and those writings, y'all, they obviously expressed her

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fear for her children, her fear for herself, how much

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she didn't care for her father in law, how Josh

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was being controlling and not making sense and just being

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very abusive to her. But those filing cabinets, and y'all

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clutch your pearls. I'm serious. Those filing cabinets were in

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the walking closet of Stephen's bedroom and they would hold

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a trove of evidence about his behaviors. Are you ready

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for this? Stephen would take used items of Susan's out

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of the trash and bag them in ziplocks. He would

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label them like some sort of disgusted, perverted museum and

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store it for him to go back through. Things like

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cotton balls with removed makeup on them, used wax strips.

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Y'all her used tampon applicators, extremely personal and let's be honest,

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unhygienic items to be keeping. I mean this is this

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is a man out of control. There was also those

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videos of Susan clearly being filmed without her knowledge and

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per the warrant. I actually have it quoted for you

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right here, the warrant and it says in some images

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Susan Powell was fully clothed, while other images she was

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only in her underwear. There was a detective there. Detective

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Maxwell described one image of Susan Powell in a bathroom

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doing her hair while dressed only in her underwear. Based

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off of the photographs, it appeared the photographer was taking

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this picture secretly through the slightly opened door without Susan

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Powell's knowledge. Another image was of Susan Powell while she

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was sitting at a table wearing a dress. Based on

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the image, the photographer photographed Susan Powell secretly while she

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was looking away from the camera, and the image shows

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Susan Powell's legs slightly open, exposing her underwear. They found

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several vhs and eight millimeter cassettes that were blank or

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had Susan Powell's name written on them. Just the you

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can't even sit down at this house. You can't get dressed,

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you can't close a door and put your hair up,

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take a bath, use the restroom without some man filming you.

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It's just Oh, if this isn't enough to get your

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blood boiling, the absolute invasion of someone's personal space, then

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while you're fuming for Susan, you might want to save

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some of that for Steven's juvenile next door neighbors. Yeah,

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two little girls, age seven and twelve, were unknowingly being

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victimized by Stephen Powell. The police seized a computer, one

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specific disc from Steven's bedroom, and when they were searching

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through its contents, they found that it contained tons of

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photos of the neighbor's little girls in their own bathroom.

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In some of those photographs they were bathing and other

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ones they were sitting on the toilet, using the restroom.

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So what did this predator film exactly? And this is uncomfortable,

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I know it is, but you need to know what

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these people are like. He was zooming in on these

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little girls genitalia and it says breasts, but their little

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girls where their breast areas would be covered and uncovered.

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So while this was happening, it makes you wonder, Okay,

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well where was he and how was he filming this? Well,

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that part's upsetting too. He was set up in his

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own bedroom and he had these specialized lenses that he

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would video and photograph them through his window into theirs,

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so he never even left the comfort of his home.

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And I saw snippets of some of these videos. Now

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I want to be clear, nothing of perversion. I wouldn't

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even watch that. Just a glance of them standing in

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the bathroom. They are fully clothed. It's just a snippet

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of one of the films, but it's unnerving at minimum

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to invade a child like that. In total, he had

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over two thousand images. And I'd also like to add

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that Steven couldn't leave himself out of all the fun either.

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So they also found that he had stored images of

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himself that are grotesquely sexual in nature, and they included

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pictures of himself naked, images of his genitals, and then

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he even took pictures of himself while masturbating, un just

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unspeakable behavior. So when all of this was uncovered, police

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immediately took action right then and there, and they arrested

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Stephen Powell. He was charged with fourteen counts of voyeurism

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and he got one count of second degree possession of

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depictions of a minor engaged in a sexually explicit conduct

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ie child pornography. So on September twenty second, now this

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is twenty eleven, when Stephen was arrested, Josh now became

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the remaining focus of the investigation, and as such, Susan's

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parents blessed their Heartshaw not only had lost their daughter

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to date because we don't know where she is, but

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they were now limited on the access to her children,

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and so, realizing the gravity of the situation that was unfolding,

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they wanted Charlie and Braden out of that household. This

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is too much. My daughter is missing, the man she

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married is acting a damn fool. His dad is a

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pervert that sexualizes children and adults. You know something is

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wrong here. Their safety was of absolute issue, and this

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led the Coxes to take the huge step of filing

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for custody of the boys. They felt that they had

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to to protect them. So Stephen was tried. Of course,

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he went to he went to court. He was tried,

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pled not guilty. You know, he didn't do it, not

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not mister Sean Trey. Oh my god. But Stephen was tried,

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he pled, not guilty, and he ultimately was convicted and

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he was sentenced to five years in prison. Doesn't seem

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long enough to me, just so you know. And in

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the meantime, Child the Family Services of Washington also felt

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that there was a bona fide imminent danger in leaving

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the boys with Josh, so they took custody of the children,

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but agreed with family placement of the boys and awarded

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foster custody to the Coxes. So they got the children,

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which hell Loujah. Now, Josh wasn't willing to let them

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go without a fight, though, and the line at this

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point was clearly drawn in the sand between he and

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the Coxes. There was no love lost. And this starts

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really ramping up because of the children. And I don't

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feel like Josh wanted the boys for genuine reasons. I

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don't feel like this was a dad who wanted his

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sons in his life so he could raise up strong boys.

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I didn't get that feeling at all about this. I

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think that he wanted them in his control at all

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times so that they couldn't have the opportunity to talk

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or possibly reveal anything that they may know or remember

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about when their mother went missing. This was a self

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preservation situation for Josh. I don't think it was spawn

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out of love. Case in point, one of the boys

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drew a picture of the family in their minivan, little

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stick people and all of that, and when talking about

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the picture, he told his grandpa that his mom was

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in the trunk. Now, what little kid's gonna make that up?

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That their mother was in the trunk. That's just not natural.

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Additional question of the children was done too, and this

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time there was a big difference as far as Charlie's

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willingness to talk. And this is one of those forensic

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interviews I told you about. During these interviews, he referred

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to his mama as Susan, which he never did before.

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And it sounds a whole lot like what an adult

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would refer to her as, right, the father in law

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would have said Susan, or maybe their dad called her susan,

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but they called her mommy. But now they're referring to

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her as Susan. And Charlie was very reserved in what

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he was willing to say. And when you listen, it's

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obvious Charlie had clearly been coached by someone he had

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already And I think about this, little fella. He had

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already lost one parent. His mom was gone, and I'm

463
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:04.359
sure that was unnerving that your mom just would up

464
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:10.200
and disappear. And now presumably his one remaining parent was

465
00:28:10.319 --> 00:28:13.160
confusing him on what he could or could not say,

466
00:28:13.559 --> 00:28:17.480
and that loyalty to that remaining parent. As a little fella,

467
00:28:17.559 --> 00:28:19.039
it would make sense to me that, oh, if my

468
00:28:19.119 --> 00:28:20.960
dad says not to say this, then maybe I shouldn't

469
00:28:20.960 --> 00:28:22.599
say it. Or if my dad says this or that,

470
00:28:22.640 --> 00:28:26.160
maybe I should copy that. But I got a portion

471
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:28.759
of that interview of Charlie, one of Charlie's interviews, and

472
00:28:28.759 --> 00:28:30.680
I'm gonna play it for you. I want to set

473
00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:33.119
you up real quick, though. Charlie is eating French fries

474
00:28:33.119 --> 00:28:35.680
and he's crunching on the little paper bag from the restaurant,

475
00:28:35.839 --> 00:28:38.559
So you're gonna hear this crunching noise while he's talking.

476
00:28:38.599 --> 00:28:39.440
But that's what it is.

477
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:42.519
Do you remember you went you went camping?

478
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:48.279
Yeah, as we capt it got over again?

479
00:28:48.799 --> 00:28:50.000
No, how come?

480
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:53.519
Okay, safe, do not call it, Florence.

481
00:28:54.079 --> 00:28:58.480
Why why isn't camping good for you?

482
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:00.519
Thing?

483
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:01.440
It's good for me?

484
00:29:02.000 --> 00:29:02.319
Best?

485
00:29:03.160 --> 00:29:03.440
Wait?

486
00:29:03.599 --> 00:29:09.039
Yeah, I have to sign my camping stuff to go camping.

487
00:29:09.319 --> 00:29:18.039
You have to find your camping stuff to go camping again. Yeah, yeah, Charlie,

488
00:29:18.039 --> 00:29:23.279
has anybody talked to you about your mom? Mmmmmm No,

489
00:29:24.519 --> 00:29:26.279
I'm not know where she is.

490
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:28.640
She's got lost.

491
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:33.920
Somewhere, she got lost somewhere. Tell me about your mom

492
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:35.240
getting lost.

493
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.839
I'm not know where she got lost. I didn't get

494
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:43.640
start where she lost.

495
00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:46.279
You didn't see where she got lost? Where was the

496
00:29:46.359 --> 00:29:48.960
last place you did see her?

497
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:51.400
John knows?

498
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:53.119
John does?

499
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.759
Yeah, that's let's see. That's he going up.

500
00:29:58.400 --> 00:30:06.440
Clos he's he lives with your family, and he knows

501
00:30:06.480 --> 00:30:17.400
what and he went where sun he did? And where

502
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:19.079
do you know where Susan went?

503
00:30:20.559 --> 00:30:20.599
No?

504
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:26.839
Like John, guys, we we can't talk of oustujaik campaign.

505
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:32.200
I I always keep things as secret.

506
00:30:32.640 --> 00:30:35.000
Look, talking to children, we all know this, if you've

507
00:30:35.000 --> 00:30:38.640
been around them, they can get things, you know, mixed

508
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.160
up because they're little, and they they take reality and

509
00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:46.000
they take what they remember, and sometimes they'll intertwine those things.

510
00:30:46.000 --> 00:30:50.000
But obviously, little Charlie here is combining his own thoughts

511
00:30:50.440 --> 00:30:53.720
with information someone else has provided him, and hearing his

512
00:30:53.759 --> 00:30:57.440
little voice talk about his mommy and then referring to

513
00:30:57.519 --> 00:31:02.200
her as Susan at some point that was painful for

514
00:31:02.319 --> 00:31:09.240
me as a mama, because you know, when you're somebody's

515
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:12.799
mommy and you love them with your entire heart and soul,

516
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.039
and then you're reduced to your first name. And I

517
00:31:16.039 --> 00:31:18.319
say reduced because mommy is a title that is so

518
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:22.559
special to a mom and then to be called Susan,

519
00:31:23.519 --> 00:31:27.000
that really hurt my heart for Susan and the way

520
00:31:27.039 --> 00:31:29.000
I interpreted this, And look, it's a free world. You

521
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:30.640
can interpret it how you want, and I'm going to

522
00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:33.359
just give you my opinion. But hearing his little voice

523
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:37.160
talk about his mommy and then switching and then referring

524
00:31:37.160 --> 00:31:40.400
to her as Susan, I think when he's saying mommy,

525
00:31:40.480 --> 00:31:42.839
that's his own thoughts, and I think when he's saying Susan,

526
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:46.759
it's from the coaching that he got from an adult.

527
00:31:47.880 --> 00:31:49.680
I could be wrong, that's just how I feel it is.

528
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.000
But he mentioned an uncle. John knows where Susan is

529
00:31:54.000 --> 00:31:56.720
in that audio, and the only John I wanted to

530
00:31:56.759 --> 00:31:58.759
address because I knew someone would probably ask me. The

531
00:31:58.799 --> 00:32:02.440
only John that I'm aware of is Josh's younger brother, John,

532
00:32:02.920 --> 00:32:07.440
and he was never considered a suspect in Susan's disappearance whatsoever.

533
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:10.119
So I'm going to address that again later towards the

534
00:32:10.240 --> 00:32:12.440
end of this episode, but just keep that in mind

535
00:32:12.480 --> 00:32:14.720
if you were wondering who John was. That was Josh's brother.

536
00:32:15.640 --> 00:32:18.839
So it was September twenty eighth, twenty eleven, and the

537
00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:20.920
Powell boys were moved into the home of Chuck and

538
00:32:21.000 --> 00:32:24.839
Judy Cox, but Josh wasn't completely removed from the boys' lives.

539
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.960
Josh would be allowed supervised visits, much to his irritation

540
00:32:30.440 --> 00:32:33.799
because he didn't want people watching him interact with his children.

541
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.359
So when they all returned before the court in February

542
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.519
of twenty twelve, the presiding judge ruled that the boys

543
00:32:41.519 --> 00:32:45.160
would remain in the custody of Susan's parents, but Josh

544
00:32:45.160 --> 00:32:48.839
would be given the opportunity to get them back. The

545
00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:53.039
requirement though for him to do this, would be that

546
00:32:53.119 --> 00:32:57.319
he would have to undergo a psycho sexual evaluation, and

547
00:32:57.359 --> 00:33:00.680
these evaluations are done to determine if the person being

548
00:33:00.720 --> 00:33:04.920
tested is at risk for a offending in a sexual way,

549
00:33:05.599 --> 00:33:08.440
and b if that is thought that it could be

550
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:12.240
an issue, then what therapies might that person require in

551
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:15.720
order to correct these behaviors. So I want to give

552
00:33:15.720 --> 00:33:17.640
you a little more insight to this so you'll understand

553
00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:21.519
exactly what would have happened there. A psychologist, first of all,

554
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.920
would take down information on the person that they were testing,

555
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:26.079
and this is gonna be thing like things like personal

556
00:33:26.119 --> 00:33:31.039
and family background, education and employment history, substance abuse history,

557
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:36.000
sexual history and interests, and things like that, if they've

558
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:39.039
ever been treated for any type of sexual issue whatever.

559
00:33:39.799 --> 00:33:43.759
Then it moves into the psychological testing, which includes not

560
00:33:43.799 --> 00:33:47.799
only evaluating their mental status, but they're also going to

561
00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:52.319
look at things like their personality traits, their propensity towards

562
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:59.480
criminal behavior. But one unsettling test that is also completed

563
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:05.480
is a specialized test to identify deviant sexual interests in

564
00:34:05.599 --> 00:34:08.679
conjunction with patterns of arousal. Now, I'm gonna warn you

565
00:34:08.719 --> 00:34:12.599
real quick this is very uncomfortable for the average person.

566
00:34:13.119 --> 00:34:15.719
But if you're curious about what they do, I've got

567
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:17.480
the information for you and I'm going to share it.

568
00:34:17.639 --> 00:34:19.760
If this isn't for you, you can fast forward for

569
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:21.679
the next thirty seconds or so, and you don't have

570
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.239
to hear this part. So what's done here to determine

571
00:34:25.280 --> 00:34:29.239
the sexual deviant interest and the pattern of arousal is

572
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:33.400
the person is seated in a room and they play

573
00:34:33.440 --> 00:34:39.280
a combination of audio along with visual images. Now, the audio,

574
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:42.360
I want to tell you, is very provocative and it's

575
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:49.119
very sexually deviant. Just the audio portion. The images that

576
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.920
are shown are not and I want to be clear

577
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:55.960
on this, they are not child pornography. There are normal

578
00:34:56.119 --> 00:35:03.719
child photos that a sexually deviant person might be aroused by. So,

579
00:35:03.840 --> 00:35:06.639
for example, there may be a child, a toddler, laying

580
00:35:06.639 --> 00:35:09.559
on their back on the ground drinking a bottle of milk,

581
00:35:09.639 --> 00:35:13.119
a very normative photograph. Anyone else who looked at it

582
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.599
would say, oh, look a baby drinking milk. But the

583
00:35:15.800 --> 00:35:20.880
audio while they're viewing that picture will say things like,

584
00:35:21.079 --> 00:35:23.440
oh wow, she really knows how to suck on her bottle,

585
00:35:24.119 --> 00:35:28.199
keep going, keep going. Just very uncomfortable for the average Joe.

586
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:30.199
I'm uncomfortable telling it to you, but that's what it is.

587
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:34.039
There's a third component component to this test as well,

588
00:35:34.239 --> 00:35:37.519
and that's going to be that arousal measurement portion. And

589
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:39.440
this is done via something that's done as a penal

590
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:44.199
put the ismograph, and it's a ring shaped gauge that

591
00:35:44.360 --> 00:35:47.360
is placed over the shaft of the man's penis, and

592
00:35:47.559 --> 00:35:50.360
if he becomes aroused, even if he tries to fight it,

593
00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:55.800
even if it's the most minimal arousal response possible, the

594
00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.000
gauge is so sensitive that it will detect the growth

595
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:02.920
or the the blood input into that part of the body.

596
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.239
And it works a whole lot like a light detector test,

597
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:09.320
because the subject would have these monitors around their chest

598
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:12.199
and they would also have these little monitors on their fingers,

599
00:36:12.199 --> 00:36:15.159
and that's gonna measure things like their breathing rates and

600
00:36:15.199 --> 00:36:17.559
their sweat because obviously, if there was a rousal, this

601
00:36:17.599 --> 00:36:20.119
would cause blood flow to increase as that heart is

602
00:36:20.159 --> 00:36:23.559
beating faster, and then the body produces more sweat. The

603
00:36:23.639 --> 00:36:27.440
thing is this, if Josh was a pervert, this test

604
00:36:27.559 --> 00:36:30.599
was gonna prove it. And Josh was not jumping to

605
00:36:30.639 --> 00:36:33.519
take that test. His response to the court was that

606
00:36:33.639 --> 00:36:35.639
he felt that he had proved himself a fit and

607
00:36:35.760 --> 00:36:38.920
loving father. He was providing a stable home for the boys,

608
00:36:39.239 --> 00:36:40.920
even in the face and this is a quote of

609
00:36:41.000 --> 00:36:44.079
great adversity and that he needed his young sons to

610
00:36:44.079 --> 00:36:49.119
come home. The reality is, though some stuff had been

611
00:36:49.159 --> 00:36:52.719
found in the home that not many people mention. But

612
00:36:52.760 --> 00:36:55.079
I'm your girl here and I'm gonna give it all

613
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:59.280
to you, because everything matters in this case. Josh's dad

614
00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.840
wasn't the only one that had perverse material in the home.

615
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:05.039
I know you're probably not shocked, but I'm here to

616
00:37:05.159 --> 00:37:10.199
verify it for you. Josh did too, and his fetish

617
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:17.360
was incestuous sex between parents and their children. The courts

618
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:21.159
were spot on in this testing that they wanted done

619
00:37:21.199 --> 00:37:24.840
on him. The images that were found were sexual images

620
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.440
of popular kids cartoons, things like the Rugrats, SpongeBob, SquarePants,

621
00:37:30.519 --> 00:37:35.920
Dennis the Menace, and it's just unconscionable what that material

622
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:42.360
showed on his computer. There was another fifteen images, y'all

623
00:37:42.559 --> 00:37:45.840
that showed three D depictions of sex involving parents and

624
00:37:45.880 --> 00:37:52.360
their own children. It's unbelievable the perversion that these children

625
00:37:52.400 --> 00:37:55.159
were in a home with. So Josh had hired an

626
00:37:55.199 --> 00:37:57.800
attorney and he was in communication with him over the

627
00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:01.760
unfolding custody situation. Her His name was Jeffrey Bassett and

628
00:38:01.840 --> 00:38:03.880
they both they would they would go back and forth

629
00:38:04.159 --> 00:38:07.559
not only by phone but by email correspondence, and Josh

630
00:38:07.760 --> 00:38:10.360
just was not getting his way in the courtroom as

631
00:38:10.360 --> 00:38:13.760
he shouldn't have. But he thought with this representation he

632
00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:15.840
had that he was just going to get his kids back.

633
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.239
So the defense opted in court in regards to all

634
00:38:20.239 --> 00:38:23.840
these images that were found to say, oh, those weren't Josh's.

635
00:38:24.159 --> 00:38:25.800
But this is the part that kind of irks me.

636
00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:30.320
But even if they were Josh's, his defense was that

637
00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:36.119
there's nothing illegal about cartoons having sex and drawings. It's

638
00:38:36.320 --> 00:38:38.920
just a drawing. And I'm not going to go off

639
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:40.760
on a tangent here, but I want to point something

640
00:38:40.800 --> 00:38:43.079
out to everybody, and what I'm gonna point out to

641
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.239
you is the world of AI that we are living

642
00:38:45.280 --> 00:38:47.239
in right now, because this is going to get scary.

643
00:38:47.280 --> 00:38:50.079
Y'all can mark my words on this. If you don't

644
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.360
think evil, it's this will never cross your mind. But

645
00:38:54.599 --> 00:38:56.920
we are going to be in a new age of deviance.

646
00:38:57.239 --> 00:39:02.440
Hear me out. People can create AI images and they're fake, y'all.

647
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:06.800
They're totally fake, but they look very real and they're

648
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:12.239
making child porn images. Think about it. Think about that

649
00:39:12.679 --> 00:39:16.119
someone can take your face, your child's face, and make

650
00:39:16.159 --> 00:39:18.800
an AI simulation with them on it. It looks real

651
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:21.639
as all get out. How are you gonna feel about that?

652
00:39:22.199 --> 00:39:24.360
So don't come at me with this shit about it's

653
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.880
not real. So it doesn't matter. I don't care, not

654
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:31.039
when it comes to children, it's off limits. But y'all

655
00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:34.360
better consider that. You better consider it because it's gonna happen.

656
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:38.320
This defense, to me was sick. I don't care who

657
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:42.320
it is in the drawing, but incestuous material depicting in

658
00:39:42.400 --> 00:39:45.880
any manner with a child or anyone for that matter,

659
00:39:46.280 --> 00:39:48.760
it's not art. That would be your only other thing

660
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:51.719
to say, Oh it's art. No, absolutely not. It's sick

661
00:39:51.880 --> 00:39:55.840
and it's perverse, and it's unacceptable in our society. So

662
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:58.719
Josh wanted to have the kids visit with him at

663
00:39:58.760 --> 00:40:01.280
his own house, but again there was that great deal

664
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.000
of pushback from the Coxes. They were adamant, this is

665
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:06.039
not a good idea, and I know we all agree

666
00:40:06.079 --> 00:40:09.559
with them. They were very vocal. Susan's parents were very

667
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:12.760
vocal with anyone and everyone involved in this case that

668
00:40:12.840 --> 00:40:15.079
they felt like Josh was more than capable at this

669
00:40:15.199 --> 00:40:18.639
point of hurting or even possibly killing the children. And

670
00:40:18.679 --> 00:40:21.519
I mean, shit, we haven't even found Susan, y'all. We

671
00:40:21.599 --> 00:40:26.199
got Grandpa in prison, we got Dad looking at incestuous

672
00:40:26.199 --> 00:40:31.159
material porn, and we don't even know where Susan is.

673
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:35.719
This is huge. I think the Coxes were on point here.

674
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:38.639
Their main concern was this, and they expressed it very clearly.

675
00:40:38.960 --> 00:40:43.320
If Josh feels cornered and it's starting to feel like

676
00:40:43.440 --> 00:40:45.559
he may lose these children or that y'all might arrest

677
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:49.639
him at some point, he might hurt our grandchildren, He's

678
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:54.239
like a caged animal. So originally the plan was that

679
00:40:54.280 --> 00:40:57.559
they were going to do supervised visitations at a secure facility,

680
00:40:57.599 --> 00:41:00.639
like a third party secure facility, not the home of

681
00:41:00.760 --> 00:41:05.159
Josh and Stephen Powell. So Josh took that to be okay, Well,

682
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.400
if I go get a different house away from my dad,

683
00:41:07.679 --> 00:41:10.079
then that should change things. So he went and rented

684
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:12.079
his own home and then made a plea before the

685
00:41:12.079 --> 00:41:15.280
courts that this wasn't his father's home so he shouldn't

686
00:41:15.280 --> 00:41:19.039
be held under the same restrictions. The Coxes at this

687
00:41:19.159 --> 00:41:22.400
point are like whoa no no, no, no, no no.

688
00:41:23.119 --> 00:41:26.719
And while all of their concerns were noted. The decision

689
00:41:26.800 --> 00:41:30.119
was eventually made that the children would get to go

690
00:41:30.199 --> 00:41:34.360
visit Josh at his new home, but a Child Protective

691
00:41:34.400 --> 00:41:38.280
Services worker would remain with the children and supervise every

692
00:41:38.719 --> 00:41:43.360
visit while it happened. That social worker that was assigned

693
00:41:43.360 --> 00:41:47.519
to the supervision was named Elizabeth Griffin Hall. So on

694
00:41:47.559 --> 00:41:51.039
the morning of February fifth, twenty twelve, the Coxes had

695
00:41:51.039 --> 00:41:54.000
the boys, as was the custody agreement, but it was

696
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:57.480
a visitation day with their dad, Josh. So they got

697
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:00.199
the boys ready. They were getting them all packed up up,

698
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.079
and the boys were telling the Coxes, we don't want

699
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:07.480
to go. We just want to stay here. And normally, okay,

700
00:42:07.480 --> 00:42:09.320
if kids didn't want to go visit, you would just

701
00:42:09.320 --> 00:42:11.920
say okay, but this was a court order. They didn't

702
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.440
have an option. The boys had to go. The Coxes

703
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:19.440
had to turn the boys over to Elizabeth. So the grandparents,

704
00:42:19.480 --> 00:42:22.079
while getting them dressed, promised them, you're gonna come back

705
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:24.639
home to us. It's gonna be okay. The visit's just

706
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.599
gonna be a little while, and then when you get

707
00:42:26.639 --> 00:42:29.599
back home, everything's gonna be good and dandy. Don't worry

708
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:33.079
about a thing, because they're good people, y'all. And I

709
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:36.360
imagine the Coxes probably said something like, your daddy loves

710
00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:38.960
you and he wants to see you, knowing full well

711
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:43.119
that he probably killed their daughter. But they're good people

712
00:42:43.400 --> 00:42:45.480
and they're not going to traumatize those children like that.

713
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:48.960
So they hugged the boys and they handed them off

714
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:53.039
to Elizabeth. So they got in the car and Elizabeth

715
00:42:53.119 --> 00:42:56.320
drove them to the new home of Josh Powell. The

716
00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:59.159
boys popped open the doors and they unloaded from the car,

717
00:42:59.199 --> 00:43:01.320
and she was right there with them, one step behind them.

718
00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.719
As they were approaching the front door, the boys are

719
00:43:03.719 --> 00:43:07.119
giggling and playing about and just being little boys. So

720
00:43:07.199 --> 00:43:09.440
Josh came to the door after they knocked. He opened

721
00:43:09.440 --> 00:43:11.599
the door smiling, and he told Charlie, Charlie, I have

722
00:43:11.639 --> 00:43:14.679
a surprise for you. And so the boys both darted

723
00:43:14.719 --> 00:43:18.800
into the house, excited for their surprise, and right as

724
00:43:18.800 --> 00:43:23.400
Elizabeth went to step inside following them, Josh slammed the

725
00:43:23.400 --> 00:43:26.719
door in her face and put the dead bolt on.

726
00:43:28.079 --> 00:43:32.400
So stunned, she knocked on the door and she yelled Josh.

727
00:43:32.719 --> 00:43:37.800
Josh opened the door. Boys, boys opened the door. She knocked,

728
00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:42.079
and she knocked, but the door was never opened, and

729
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:44.920
at that point she could hear the boys crying, but

730
00:43:45.039 --> 00:43:49.159
she couldn't get inside. As all of this was going on,

731
00:43:49.320 --> 00:43:53.320
she realized that she was smelling a very strong smell

732
00:43:53.719 --> 00:43:56.880
of gasoline coming from the door. And you know, it

733
00:43:56.880 --> 00:43:59.679
takes time for her brain to comprehend everything that's going on.

734
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:01.960
So she stepped back a few steps from the door,

735
00:44:02.039 --> 00:44:05.559
trying to understand what is going on, what could be happening,

736
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:07.880
And then she says, oh my god, this is bad.

737
00:44:08.119 --> 00:44:10.400
This is really bad, and she runs and she grabs

738
00:44:10.440 --> 00:44:12.639
her cell phone and she dials nine to one one.

739
00:44:13.400 --> 00:44:16.519
I'm gonna play you the full nine to one one call,

740
00:44:16.519 --> 00:44:18.599
and I'm playing it for a reason. I could have

741
00:44:18.679 --> 00:44:22.159
cut out the parts where the listener might feel like,

742
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:25.039
you know, there's non essential information going back and forth,

743
00:44:25.079 --> 00:44:28.440
but I want you to hear it in its entirety. Okay,

744
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.480
there's a reason. There's gonna be a beep too inside

745
00:44:31.480 --> 00:44:34.440
this audio. Just be prepared when the worker gives her

746
00:44:35.159 --> 00:44:37.679
when Elizabeth gives her phone number, so that long beep

747
00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:40.000
is in here on purpose, it's blocking out the number.

748
00:44:40.159 --> 00:44:43.639
Keep in mind the entire time that this call is happening.

749
00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:47.000
She is locked out of the house and Josh has

750
00:44:47.039 --> 00:44:48.760
the kids with no supervision.

751
00:44:49.199 --> 00:44:51.719
Okay, hey, I'm on a hip.

752
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:57.440
To get it and something really happened to keep going

753
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.360
into the house and the parent good bye luck okay,

754
00:45:00.360 --> 00:45:02.719
And the same as Josh Powell will not let me

755
00:45:02.760 --> 00:45:03.760
in the door.

756
00:45:05.280 --> 00:45:06.000
What should I do?

757
00:45:06.239 --> 00:45:06.320
What?

758
00:45:07.920 --> 00:45:11.880
It's eight one one nine and I think it's eighty nine.

759
00:45:13.119 --> 00:45:14.519
I don't know what the address is.

760
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.880
It's important for me to know, so I can't just

761
00:45:19.360 --> 00:45:20.639
let me get in my car and see if I

762
00:45:20.639 --> 00:45:24.320
can if I can find it. I'm this and nothing

763
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.559
like this has ever happened before, uh these.

764
00:45:29.480 --> 00:45:33.079
Visitations, So I'm really shocked.

765
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:34.400
And I could hear.

766
00:45:34.199 --> 00:45:37.039
One of the kids crying that he still wouldn't let

767
00:45:37.039 --> 00:45:37.280
me in.

768
00:45:37.760 --> 00:45:46.800
Okay, it is uh one, oh.

769
00:45:45.480 --> 00:45:49.800
To Seneta, I have it here, it can't find me

770
00:45:49.840 --> 00:45:51.239
by GPS.

771
00:45:51.360 --> 00:46:02.639
Nope, okay, okay it is.

772
00:46:05.119 --> 00:46:14.559
I still can't find it, but I think I need

773
00:46:14.679 --> 00:46:15.400
help right away.

774
00:46:15.480 --> 00:46:19.360
He's on a very short lease CFAES and.

775
00:46:19.440 --> 00:46:22.679
PSS then involved. And this is the craziest thing. He

776
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:24.440
looked dry up me and closed the door.

777
00:46:26.079 --> 00:46:28.039
Are you there, yes, ma'am. I'm just waiting to know

778
00:46:28.039 --> 00:46:28.519
where you are.

779
00:46:28.639 --> 00:46:33.039
Okay, it's eight one one nine street or eat pure

780
00:46:33.039 --> 00:46:37.239
hour nine eight three seven five. And I'd like to

781
00:46:37.280 --> 00:46:40.519
pull out of the driveway because they smell gasoline.

782
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:40.800
And he won't let me in.

783
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:43.960
Do you want to pull out of the driveway because

784
00:46:43.960 --> 00:46:45.360
you smell gasoline? But he won't.

785
00:46:46.599 --> 00:46:47.400
He won't let me in.

786
00:46:48.239 --> 00:46:50.039
He won't let you out of the driveway.

787
00:46:50.239 --> 00:46:53.599
You won't let me in the house. It's in the house,

788
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:56.039
and he won't let me in. It's a supervised is it?

789
00:46:56.320 --> 00:46:58.280
I understand house? Is it?

790
00:46:59.119 --> 00:46:59.920
Josh Howe?

791
00:47:00.320 --> 00:47:03.599
Okay, so you don't live there, right? No, I don't know.

792
00:47:03.760 --> 00:47:07.679
I'm contracted to the state to provide supervised visitation.

793
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:08.599
I say, okay.

794
00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.480
And and who is there to exercise their visitor?

795
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:16.639
I am uh And the visiting with Josh Powell and

796
00:47:17.159 --> 00:47:19.559
against the husband that I supervised.

797
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.360
So you supervised and you're doing the business?

798
00:47:23.280 --> 00:47:26.960
Yeah, I supervised s I supervised myself.

799
00:47:26.960 --> 00:47:31.119
I'm the supervisor. Here. Wait a minute, the supervise visit.

800
00:47:31.360 --> 00:47:35.280
You can't supervise yourself if you supervise myself. I'm the

801
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.320
supervisor to the supervised visit.

802
00:47:38.599 --> 00:47:40.440
Okay, Well, aren't you the one making aren't you the

803
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.519
one making the visit, your supervisor.

804
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.679
Yes, I'm the one that supervises. I picked up the kids.

805
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:49.519
That's their grandparents.

806
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:56.360
And then who visits with the children, Josh Powell. Okay,

807
00:47:56.360 --> 00:47:58.760
so you're supposed to be there to supervise Josh Powell's

808
00:47:58.840 --> 00:47:59.760
visit with the children.

809
00:48:00.079 --> 00:48:01.039
Ye, that's crap.

810
00:48:02.840 --> 00:48:06.239
And and here's the husband of missing Susan Powell.

811
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:09.599
How did you know this is the high profile case?

812
00:48:09.719 --> 00:48:12.199
How did he how did he get that to the

813
00:48:12.320 --> 00:48:13.960
children before you talking?

814
00:48:15.039 --> 00:48:17.920
I was one step and back of them.

815
00:48:17.920 --> 00:48:20.039
Okay, I walked you out.

816
00:48:20.920 --> 00:48:24.440
Yeah, he keeck the door right in my tape. Your

817
00:48:24.519 --> 00:48:28.119
last name, my name is Elizabeth Cripple Hall.

818
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:34.800
Rit Hall is hypenated.

819
00:48:35.760 --> 00:48:35.960
Yeah.

820
00:48:38.599 --> 00:48:49.880
And what's your phone number, Elizabeth? And what do you

821
00:48:49.880 --> 00:48:51.880
can hear you with bust?

822
00:48:51.920 --> 00:48:58.280
You carry's first network?

823
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:03.320
And the kids has been in there approx By now approximately?

824
00:49:08.119 --> 00:49:11.679
And he knows that it's a supervised visit to Brandon

825
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:14.639
is five and Charlie is seven.

826
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.480
Is the dead last na Powell?

827
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:30.960
P O W E L.

828
00:49:31.199 --> 00:49:35.719
L who well two ELSA Powel.

829
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:44.599
Yes, his first name is Josh black white.

830
00:49:42.639 --> 00:49:49.639
And he's white. I don't know. He's about thirty nine

831
00:49:50.039 --> 00:49:50.679
for pall.

832
00:49:52.320 --> 00:49:55.199
Five ten, one hundred and fifty pounds.

833
00:49:56.599 --> 00:50:01.679
Their color brown? Did you notice when he was wearing?

834
00:50:02.639 --> 00:50:04.719
No, I didn't notice when he was wearing.

835
00:50:06.039 --> 00:50:07.960
Did you loan or anybody?

836
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:09.639
I don't know. If I couldn't get in the.

837
00:50:09.559 --> 00:50:15.360
House, why.

838
00:50:24.159 --> 00:50:25.639
Are you in a vehicle? Now we're on point.

839
00:50:26.239 --> 00:50:30.079
I'm in a vehicle. I'm gonna pres and I'm kickousand

840
00:50:30.079 --> 00:50:30.559
and ten three.

841
00:50:31.400 --> 00:50:33.639
Will tell the doors? What did he want?

842
00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:36.280
He was and opened the door. I rang the doorbell

843
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:39.079
and everything which I take him to. Let me end.

844
00:50:39.880 --> 00:50:42.480
Please listen to my questions. What color is the twitter

845
00:50:42.559 --> 00:50:44.000
prius pray?

846
00:50:44.199 --> 00:50:44.960
That pray?

847
00:50:45.159 --> 00:50:46.119
And the license number?

848
00:50:47.760 --> 00:50:48.159
I don't know.

849
00:50:48.239 --> 00:50:49.079
I can watch.

850
00:50:57.880 --> 00:50:59.800
Seven five zero of the m h.

851
00:51:00.280 --> 00:51:05.199
Vibra Marry Henry. Yeah, all right, we'll have company of.

852
00:51:05.159 --> 00:51:08.159
A p there. Okay, how long will it be?

853
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:10.000
I don't know. Man. They have to respond to emergant

854
00:51:10.039 --> 00:51:13.880
fy like Brittany situation by the first available deputy.

855
00:51:15.119 --> 00:51:19.760
Threatening her on Wednesday and he kicked.

856
00:51:19.639 --> 00:51:24.079
Back and they're alive.

857
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:26.639
Okay, i'd be written the lie to the children previously.

858
00:51:27.760 --> 00:51:28.760
I have no idea.

859
00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:31.320
All right, we'll have the first available deputy contact you.

860
00:51:32.880 --> 00:51:33.719
Thank you, hie.

861
00:51:39.280 --> 00:51:43.199
Now that call was almost ten minutes long. And what

862
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:45.960
I'm about to tell you, we'll explain while I wanted

863
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.960
why I wanted you to hear the full call. When

864
00:51:48.960 --> 00:51:52.440
the boys went inside, Josh slammed the door and he

865
00:51:52.559 --> 00:51:54.760
locked it, and he had told those boys I have

866
00:51:54.760 --> 00:51:58.000
a surprise for you, and got them all excited. But

867
00:51:58.079 --> 00:52:04.320
remember that's when Elizabeth started hearing that crying through the door. Well,

868
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.840
now I know why she heard crying. It's because the

869
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:12.320
surprise was for Josh Powell to pull out a hatchet

870
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:16.239
that he was hiding, and he began to do something

871
00:52:16.559 --> 00:52:22.280
unimaginable to those little boys. He began chopping them alive

872
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:27.519
with the hatchet. He swung it, chopping at their heads

873
00:52:28.079 --> 00:52:31.719
and at their little necks, and he chopped on them

874
00:52:32.320 --> 00:52:36.119
until the kids were both unconscious and unable to do anything,

875
00:52:37.239 --> 00:52:41.280
and then he carried them into the living room. The

876
00:52:41.400 --> 00:52:44.599
whole time that that was going on, the social worker

877
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:47.639
Elizabeth was on the phone making that phone call with

878
00:52:47.760 --> 00:52:51.280
that condescending nine to one one operator who's acting as

879
00:52:51.320 --> 00:52:56.079
if she's overreacting, and as she's smelling the gasoline and

880
00:52:56.119 --> 00:52:58.960
looking for the address in her car. By the way, y'all,

881
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.400
units should have been en route already Code three lights

882
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:05.920
and sirens at this point, but they're not because he's

883
00:53:05.960 --> 00:53:10.639
condescending and he thinks that she's overreacting. And while that's

884
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:13.519
going on, he has the time. He lays the boys

885
00:53:13.719 --> 00:53:16.199
wounded bodies on the carpet next to a bucket that

886
00:53:16.239 --> 00:53:19.440
he has seated there, and those little boys weren't dead.

887
00:53:20.199 --> 00:53:23.400
They were gravely injured, but they were both still alive.

888
00:53:25.320 --> 00:53:29.039
Josh then poured five gallons of gasoline all over the

889
00:53:29.199 --> 00:53:32.119
entry of the home and saturated the room that he

890
00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:36.239
and those boys were in, and near the bucket there

891
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:39.679
was a gas can full of an additional ten gallons

892
00:53:39.719 --> 00:53:43.679
of gasoline. The phone call to nine one one ended

893
00:53:44.199 --> 00:53:48.559
about this time, and then the social worker decided to

894
00:53:48.559 --> 00:53:50.559
move her car to the road because she was unsure

895
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.880
of what was going on, but having called the very

896
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:58.639
people you're trained to call in an emergency, she expected

897
00:53:58.679 --> 00:54:01.519
the police to pull up any minute, and she watched

898
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:04.159
the house, and desperately she would look down the street

899
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:06.440
looking for a police car, but she wouldn't see one,

900
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:08.719
and she'd look back at the house, and she was waiting,

901
00:54:08.800 --> 00:54:11.719
listening for sirens, listening for somebody that was coming to

902
00:54:11.719 --> 00:54:14.360
help these little boys. She has no clue what's happening

903
00:54:14.360 --> 00:54:17.519
behind that door. I want to tell y'all, she looks

904
00:54:17.519 --> 00:54:19.840
to be in her late fifties and early sixties. She

905
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:22.119
wasn't in a position to kick down a door, nor

906
00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:24.639
was she authorized to, by the way, So I do

907
00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:27.199
not want to villainize this woman. Please do not let

908
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:29.639
that happen. She did all that she knew to do

909
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:33.159
in the moment, but she stood there waiting in desperation

910
00:54:33.519 --> 00:54:37.519
for help that wasn't coming. And it was at this

911
00:54:37.719 --> 00:54:41.880
point that Joshua Powell sat down on top of that bucket,

912
00:54:43.320 --> 00:54:50.400
lit a match and dropped it. Boom. That whole house

913
00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:53.239
exploded into flames.

914
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:56.599
Oh, maam, were you calling?

915
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:01.880
Ma'am?

916
00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:01.000
You know?

917
00:55:01.880 --> 00:55:02.199
Okay?

918
00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:04.000
Do you know the exact address of the house?

919
00:55:04.079 --> 00:55:09.280
Are you is there? One one one eight nine Courtney

920
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:10.119
two hour?

921
00:55:10.159 --> 00:55:10.960
Okay? Camline?

922
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:12.199
Do you know if anyone's in the house.

923
00:55:13.400 --> 00:55:16.679
Yes, there was a man, Eric's children. I just dropped

924
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:18.840
off the children and he wouldn't let me in the door.

925
00:55:19.199 --> 00:55:20.400
Candline for the party department.

926
00:55:20.400 --> 00:55:21.719
Okay, I'm gonna get them on the line.

927
00:55:21.760 --> 00:55:23.079
Do not hang up full.

928
00:55:22.960 --> 00:55:31.880
Time on the phone.

929
00:55:31.920 --> 00:55:32.719
There was now.

930
00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.159
That's quirement, right, fire, the supposed that mes a chanceling

931
00:55:44.239 --> 00:55:44.800
the lady who.

932
00:55:44.719 --> 00:55:46.679
Has an exact address of the house that is on

933
00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:50.079
fire there in the one eight equity's neighborhood.

934
00:55:51.440 --> 00:55:55.760
Yes, okay, I wouldn't gave amatic back to dress. I

935
00:55:55.880 --> 00:56:06.559
dropped it a sorry just a minute. I can't hear

936
00:56:06.599 --> 00:56:07.000
the fire.

937
00:56:07.400 --> 00:56:09.719
But they're not there yet. It's eight one out and.

938
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:15.920
Nine there what we have an engine there and the

939
00:56:16.119 --> 00:56:18.320
people are saying, there's not somebody here. But I was

940
00:56:18.480 --> 00:56:20.199
just there and there is somebody here.

941
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.239
There's two little boys in the house and there were

942
00:56:22.840 --> 00:56:25.119
there are five and seven, and there's an adult man

943
00:56:25.199 --> 00:56:27.599
and he has to provide visitation. And he bought the

944
00:56:27.679 --> 00:56:28.559
house and the kids.

945
00:56:29.360 --> 00:56:31.679
The kids and the husband and the father were in

946
00:56:31.800 --> 00:56:32.239
the house.

947
00:56:32.880 --> 00:56:33.119
Yeah.

948
00:56:33.599 --> 00:56:36.119
Yeah, he slammed the door, and I say it, so

949
00:56:36.280 --> 00:56:38.360
I kept knocking. I thought it was a mistake. I

950
00:56:38.480 --> 00:56:40.480
kept knocking and then I called nine one one.

951
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.760
You saw him go back into the house from the plane.

952
00:56:44.920 --> 00:56:48.400
Right before the plane. He didn't ever leave the house.

953
00:56:48.440 --> 00:56:49.400
He just opened the door.

954
00:56:49.480 --> 00:56:51.639
The kids were kids were one stat.

955
00:56:51.719 --> 00:56:54.079
They had a meet, five and seven they were one step.

956
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:55.599
They had a meet, and he slammed the door in

957
00:56:55.679 --> 00:57:03.440
my face, and you think he might have done as intentionally. Yeah, okay, Donny,

958
00:57:03.480 --> 00:57:05.880
go ahead, Thank you very much.

959
00:57:05.960 --> 00:57:06.400
Fire man.

960
00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:07.400
What is your name? Please?

961
00:57:08.239 --> 00:57:14.079
I'm Alizabeth Griffin Hall and I'm the supervised Okay, just a.

962
00:57:14.119 --> 00:57:17.159
Moment, ma'am. Okay, So you're lasting Driff and.

963
00:57:17.199 --> 00:57:20.400
What Griff and Hall? The R I F F I

964
00:57:20.639 --> 00:57:23.800
M hyphen hall A K L I and you're.

965
00:57:30.639 --> 00:57:31.599
Okay, where are you?

966
00:57:31.840 --> 00:57:32.519
Where are you at?

967
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:33.960
Where are you at right now?

968
00:57:34.480 --> 00:57:37.719
I'm I'm the eight one, one twelve on the same court.

969
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:38.480
Okay.

970
00:57:38.599 --> 00:57:40.480
So you're waiting down the street to eat one one

971
00:57:40.599 --> 00:57:43.159
two Nat?

972
00:57:45.199 --> 00:57:48.199
Yeah, okay, and in your car?

973
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:52.119
I wasn't my god, I'm standing outside it right now.

974
00:57:52.360 --> 00:57:52.639
Okay.

975
00:57:53.039 --> 00:57:57.840
That's your your No, that's not my way. I was

976
00:57:57.920 --> 00:57:59.880
the supervis Codinato.

977
00:58:01.800 --> 00:58:03.320
Yeah what.

978
00:58:06.400 --> 00:58:07.360
Josh Howell.

979
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:27.239
Josh Powell had blown up the house himself and his

980
00:58:27.440 --> 00:58:33.079
two little boys, killing all three of them. I don't

981
00:58:33.079 --> 00:58:36.320
even have the words for the way that these calls

982
00:58:36.360 --> 00:58:40.840
went down. And I'm sure you're sitting here going what

983
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:47.400
in the world. But Josh executed his evil plan because

984
00:58:47.400 --> 00:58:50.960
he had time to do so, and the condescension in

985
00:58:51.079 --> 00:58:53.599
that dispatcher's voice on that first nine one one call.

986
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.360
That was frustrating enough, but the number of times that

987
00:58:56.440 --> 00:58:59.800
she had to repeat herself over and over between the

988
00:58:59.840 --> 00:59:05.000
two the two calls is maddening. Fire and police would

989
00:59:05.079 --> 00:59:06.960
finally arrive at the scene, y'all, but it was just

990
00:59:07.039 --> 00:59:10.800
beyond too late. The children were dead. Exactly what the

991
00:59:10.960 --> 00:59:14.599
Coxes had voiced their concern about over and over and

992
00:59:14.840 --> 00:59:21.800
over again, it happened. They weren't exaggerating. There's poor people.

993
00:59:23.039 --> 00:59:26.039
This case has lived rent free in my head since

994
00:59:26.079 --> 00:59:29.199
it happened, and it's been a lot of years to

995
00:59:29.360 --> 00:59:33.079
lose your daughter tragically, believe to be at the hands

996
00:59:33.119 --> 00:59:35.679
of your own son in law, do everything you can

997
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:40.320
to protect your grandbabies, the last living piece of your daughter,

998
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:43.960
only to have to turn them over to the very

999
00:59:44.039 --> 00:59:47.519
man that you despise, where he then mortally wounds them

1000
00:59:47.639 --> 00:59:54.480
both and then blows them up. The Coxes are victims

1001
00:59:54.519 --> 00:59:56.480
in the biggest sense of the word at this point.

1002
00:59:56.760 --> 01:00:00.360
How could this have happened? They had promised those baby

1003
01:00:00.400 --> 01:00:03.639
boys that everything would be okay, and y'all, it wouldn't.

1004
01:00:04.280 --> 01:00:09.599
It wouldn't be okay. And while left to process what

1005
01:00:09.760 --> 01:00:15.559
had happened and why. Some further truths were unveiled. It

1006
01:00:15.679 --> 01:00:18.599
turns out that within five minutes of the home exploding,

1007
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.960
Josh's sister with no knowledge of the explosion. She didn't

1008
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:25.920
have any clue about that, but within five minutes of

1009
01:00:25.960 --> 01:00:28.800
when that explosion took place, she had called nine to

1010
01:00:28.800 --> 01:00:31.280
one one, But it had nothing to do with that explosion.

1011
01:00:31.639 --> 01:00:34.239
She called because her brother had sent her an email

1012
01:00:34.760 --> 01:00:38.320
that she described as disturbing and she feared what he

1013
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:43.480
might have done. Josh's attorney had also received an email,

1014
01:00:43.679 --> 01:00:47.880
and it basically said this, I'm sorry, goodbye, and it

1015
01:00:48.000 --> 01:00:52.920
was timestamped just minutes before that house blew up the

1016
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:58.039
weekend before the murders of his children. This was all

1017
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.840
planned out, and it had been planned out. He had

1018
01:01:01.920 --> 01:01:04.920
taken all of his boy's toys to goodwill. He had

1019
01:01:04.960 --> 01:01:09.159
gotten rid of all of his children's stuff. Now, why

1020
01:01:10.400 --> 01:01:13.800
let's talk about it. The reason is simple. The boys

1021
01:01:14.159 --> 01:01:18.320
knew too much and they were talking. They were drawing

1022
01:01:18.440 --> 01:01:21.800
pictures and saying things in the way of complete innocence

1023
01:01:22.079 --> 01:01:24.599
that only a child would But that was too risky

1024
01:01:24.679 --> 01:01:28.679
for Josh. He knew that they would be his undoing.

1025
01:01:29.039 --> 01:01:32.559
And he also in that same instance, wanted to deprive

1026
01:01:32.639 --> 01:01:35.320
the Coxes of having the boys. It was a power move.

1027
01:01:36.400 --> 01:01:40.599
If he couldn't have them, then no one would. It's

1028
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:44.400
that simple. And to this day, to this very day,

1029
01:01:44.639 --> 01:01:47.559
the day that I'm recording this right now, Susan Cox

1030
01:01:47.679 --> 01:01:54.559
Powell's body has never been found. We never found Susan's body.

1031
01:01:56.159 --> 01:01:59.159
The belief is that Josh, so I'm a sum it

1032
01:01:59.320 --> 01:02:02.960
up for you, he puts something in those pancakes that

1033
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.880
he served Susan and her friend while they were crocheting

1034
01:02:07.599 --> 01:02:11.039
back in episode one. Remember I told you he made

1035
01:02:11.079 --> 01:02:15.719
everyone's plate separate, and he cooked every pancake separate. She

1036
01:02:15.920 --> 01:02:19.519
began feeling really sick shortly thereafter, and that's when her

1037
01:02:19.599 --> 01:02:23.119
friend left and Josh supposedly went sledding with the boys,

1038
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:29.159
but he returned home where he murdered Susan. Whatever he

1039
01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:32.440
burned to smithereens that again I mentioned in the first episode.

1040
01:02:32.719 --> 01:02:35.159
I believe that was the murder weapon that he struck

1041
01:02:35.239 --> 01:02:37.760
her with. It's something metal, that's all that's known, and

1042
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.039
they were never able to identify what it was. But

1043
01:02:40.199 --> 01:02:45.599
per a search warrant, they did find blood in Susan's

1044
01:02:45.880 --> 01:02:50.320
house and guess where it was. It was right next

1045
01:02:50.360 --> 01:02:53.800
to the sofa where I believe that she was laying

1046
01:02:53.880 --> 01:02:56.920
down to have a rest after she started feeling bad.

1047
01:02:58.760 --> 01:03:01.679
So it just it makes too much much sense. After

1048
01:03:01.800 --> 01:03:04.599
he killed her, he loaded her body into the trunk

1049
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:06.519
of the van, and then he put the boys in

1050
01:03:07.360 --> 01:03:10.360
And in my mind I see her laying in the

1051
01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:14.480
back of the van and the boys seeing it, cause

1052
01:03:14.480 --> 01:03:15.960
you know, kids will jump up and look and all that.

1053
01:03:16.000 --> 01:03:17.960
Try hiding Christmas presents and you'll know exactly what I'm

1054
01:03:17.960 --> 01:03:20.400
talking about in the back of your car. But they

1055
01:03:20.519 --> 01:03:23.119
saw her back there, and so Josh told him that

1056
01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:25.599
she was napping or something to that effect. Don't bother mama,

1057
01:03:25.679 --> 01:03:27.719
let her sleep. And then when he got out into

1058
01:03:27.719 --> 01:03:30.760
the wilderness, he set up camp. He let the boys

1059
01:03:30.840 --> 01:03:33.840
be busy with some ores, and he carried Susan's body

1060
01:03:33.920 --> 01:03:36.599
out and he dumped her down a mind shaft. He

1061
01:03:36.719 --> 01:03:40.880
then returned home, feigning knowing nothing about the fact that

1062
01:03:40.960 --> 01:03:44.920
Susan was missing. And then he was willing to let

1063
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:47.880
his father run his mouth about his infatuation with his

1064
01:03:47.960 --> 01:03:51.079
wife because it took the heat off of him while

1065
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:56.280
also satisfying some perverse need in Stephen Powell's mind my

1066
01:03:56.639 --> 01:04:00.599
personal opinion, allegedly and for entertainment purposes only of however,

1067
01:04:00.840 --> 01:04:04.800
this is not about entertainment. My personal opinion is I

1068
01:04:04.880 --> 01:04:07.679
think that Josh was abusing those boys, or he was

1069
01:04:07.840 --> 01:04:10.400
ramping up to do so. And I based this off

1070
01:04:10.440 --> 01:04:12.880
of those images of incest that he was so intrigued with.

1071
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:19.440
That's incest implies your own. No one fantasizes. I mean,

1072
01:04:19.519 --> 01:04:21.840
I just don't see him fantasizing about someone else's incest.

1073
01:04:23.119 --> 01:04:25.280
So I really do think that those children were in

1074
01:04:25.320 --> 01:04:30.440
absolute danger with him. Susan Powell loved her boys and

1075
01:04:30.559 --> 01:04:33.440
she was scared of Josh. I think she knew something.

1076
01:04:33.960 --> 01:04:36.440
Maybe she couldn't put her finger on it exactly, but

1077
01:04:36.599 --> 01:04:39.639
she knew something was very, very wrong with Josh. She

1078
01:04:39.800 --> 01:04:42.599
wanted out, and she wanted her babies to go with her.

1079
01:04:42.920 --> 01:04:45.280
She was scared enough to make a video and write

1080
01:04:45.320 --> 01:04:47.559
a letter that if something happens to me, it wasn't

1081
01:04:47.599 --> 01:04:53.679
an accident. Susan knew that something was way wrong. Josh

1082
01:04:53.800 --> 01:04:57.079
realized that the evidence was mounting and that he would

1083
01:04:57.119 --> 01:05:01.039
not only be exposed as a murderer, so a pedophile,

1084
01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:04.880
and so he did what he had to do somehow

1085
01:05:05.039 --> 01:05:08.800
to preserve his own image while simultaneously trying to play

1086
01:05:09.079 --> 01:05:12.119
the victim in all of this. My wife is missing. No,

1087
01:05:12.280 --> 01:05:15.840
josh you killed her. The Coxes are harassing me, and

1088
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:19.400
my kids know. They know you killed their daughter. They

1089
01:05:19.440 --> 01:05:21.760
can't prove it, but they know it. And now they

1090
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:25.440
are justifiably worried about her children in your care. My

1091
01:05:25.599 --> 01:05:28.000
children have been taken away from me. No, you're a

1092
01:05:28.119 --> 01:05:33.079
pervert and they're trying to be protected. And I'm he

1093
01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:36.880
sends a thing an email, I'm sorry for everyone I hurt. No,

1094
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:40.679
you're not. No, you are not. You're sorry. You've been exposed.

1095
01:05:41.480 --> 01:05:43.119
A matter of fact, to put this stoft with, You're sorry.

1096
01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:47.840
You never mentioned Susan in your emails, your missing wife,

1097
01:05:48.079 --> 01:05:50.559
You never mentioned your children that you just hacked up

1098
01:05:50.599 --> 01:05:56.079
and blew up and killed. You're not sorry at all.

1099
01:05:57.599 --> 01:06:03.119
You're not a victim. You're an e selfish, perverted snake.

1100
01:06:03.519 --> 01:06:08.599
Joshua Powell, that is what you are. And I figured

1101
01:06:08.639 --> 01:06:10.760
you'd want a little bit more info on some of

1102
01:06:10.800 --> 01:06:12.519
the people who played a role in this case and

1103
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.039
what happened to them after the children were murdered. So

1104
01:06:15.079 --> 01:06:16.639
I'm gonna tie it up for you in a pretty

1105
01:06:16.639 --> 01:06:18.159
bowt real quick. What happened to all these people? I

1106
01:06:18.280 --> 01:06:21.320
want to start with Stephen Powell. He was eventually released

1107
01:06:21.320 --> 01:06:24.039
from prison after serving his time, and he died about

1108
01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:27.360
a year later after release at a Tacoma hospital as

1109
01:06:27.360 --> 01:06:34.760
a result of heart problems. Go figure, that's ironic. Josh's

1110
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:39.440
brother Michael Powell, whom I have not even mentioned in

1111
01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:44.320
the episode, he was part of this case because the

1112
01:06:44.440 --> 01:06:49.360
police would later reveal that they believed that Michael Powell

1113
01:06:49.679 --> 01:06:55.840
helped his brother Josh dispose of Susan's body. Now, in

1114
01:06:55.920 --> 01:06:59.719
the child interviews, Charlie said, John knows, but I'm thinking

1115
01:06:59.719 --> 01:07:03.639
it was actually his uncle Michael that did, and maybe

1116
01:07:03.719 --> 01:07:08.079
he just construed the two. I say this also with

1117
01:07:08.239 --> 01:07:12.559
my chest, because what if I told you Michael committed

1118
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:17.199
suicide about a year after Josh killed himself and the boys.

1119
01:07:19.679 --> 01:07:22.880
I don't think it's coincidence either that after Michael committed suicide,

1120
01:07:23.280 --> 01:07:26.599
the police officially closed the case in twenty thirteen because

1121
01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:28.480
they didn't have any more leads and they didn't have

1122
01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:33.440
any more suspects that were alive. The social worker Elizabeth

1123
01:07:33.800 --> 01:07:36.920
she was cleared of any wrongdoing and I agree with

1124
01:07:37.039 --> 01:07:40.480
this finding rules and regulations obviously would have to be

1125
01:07:40.599 --> 01:07:43.559
visited and updated, and we will learn from this as

1126
01:07:43.639 --> 01:07:47.880
far as everything how it played out. But in terms

1127
01:07:47.920 --> 01:07:50.800
of her being inept or negligent, they didn't find that

1128
01:07:50.880 --> 01:07:53.320
she was, and I don't either. I think it's unfortunate

1129
01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:56.320
that she wasn't able to do more, but I don't

1130
01:07:56.360 --> 01:08:01.519
find neglect was the issue here. That dispatcher the condescending

1131
01:08:01.719 --> 01:08:05.559
first call. That dispatcher's name was David Lovrak, and he

1132
01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:08.599
was reprimanded for the way he handled the call. The

1133
01:08:08.719 --> 01:08:11.639
main issues it took eight minutes for him to send

1134
01:08:11.679 --> 01:08:14.599
a police car, and it took an additional thirteen minutes

1135
01:08:14.840 --> 01:08:17.800
for that police car to even get to the Powell's home,

1136
01:08:18.000 --> 01:08:21.399
which if you look at the timeline, basically gave Josh

1137
01:08:21.560 --> 01:08:27.600
the time to commit the vile acts. That dispatcher was confused,

1138
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:31.079
and at first he was thinking that Elizabeth was the

1139
01:08:31.439 --> 01:08:34.319
mother of the children, and so his assumption that she

1140
01:08:34.520 --> 01:08:39.319
was their mom just upset about a custodial dispute also

1141
01:08:39.520 --> 01:08:43.600
contributed with him missing those obvious red flags. He was

1142
01:08:43.640 --> 01:08:48.399
also told it was completely inappropriate to be contentious and

1143
01:08:48.520 --> 01:08:51.039
say you can't supervise yourself, which is one thing he

1144
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:54.600
told Elizabeth in that call. And he was also professionally

1145
01:08:54.640 --> 01:08:57.840
criticized for responding to Elizabeth's question of how long will

1146
01:08:57.880 --> 01:08:59.920
it be with that answer of I don't know, ma'am.

1147
01:09:00.000 --> 01:09:03.760
And they have to respond to emergencies, life threatening situations first.

1148
01:09:04.960 --> 01:09:09.720
That didn't age well. So overall his performance was lacking,

1149
01:09:10.199 --> 01:09:13.159
but did not meet the muster of criminal and so

1150
01:09:13.359 --> 01:09:17.800
the discipline that he received was corrective, not punitive, but

1151
01:09:17.920 --> 01:09:21.560
he was checked on it. The Coxes also would file

1152
01:09:21.640 --> 01:09:24.359
a lawsuit against the State of Washington and Social Services

1153
01:09:24.600 --> 01:09:26.960
for the wrongful death of their grandchildren, and when it

1154
01:09:27.039 --> 01:09:29.520
was all said and done, they ultimately won a verdict

1155
01:09:29.560 --> 01:09:32.680
of ninety eight and a half million dollars. And I

1156
01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:35.960
was happy for them to finally be acknowledged that they

1157
01:09:36.000 --> 01:09:39.840
have been so wronged by I guess i'll say, quote

1158
01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:46.359
unquote the system in this case. But incredibly, in twenty twenty,

1159
01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:50.800
a Pierce County Superior Court judge named Stanley Rumball, he

1160
01:09:50.960 --> 01:09:54.720
reduced the wrongful death award by two thirds, dropping it

1161
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:59.159
down to thirty two point eight million dollars. The reason

1162
01:10:00.000 --> 01:10:01.439
I know that's a lot of money, either way. But

1163
01:10:01.720 --> 01:10:04.720
the Coxes had plans to use these funds to help

1164
01:10:04.800 --> 01:10:10.199
other prevent other tragedies, and this was a blow to

1165
01:10:10.359 --> 01:10:14.039
that when in their minds that they could some good

1166
01:10:14.079 --> 01:10:15.960
could come out of this in some weird way for them.

1167
01:10:16.760 --> 01:10:18.600
But I am happy to report to you that the

1168
01:10:18.800 --> 01:10:22.479
Washington Court of Appeals recently agreed with the Coxes that

1169
01:10:22.920 --> 01:10:26.920
the original verdict was supported. The evidence did show exactly

1170
01:10:27.680 --> 01:10:32.439
what they said, and they reinstated the original award value

1171
01:10:32.760 --> 01:10:35.560
that they were supposed to get. Hopefully, with this they're

1172
01:10:35.600 --> 01:10:38.760
able to help others for a long time, and that

1173
01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:42.479
the loss of their beautiful daughter and their precious grandsons

1174
01:10:42.680 --> 01:10:46.680
wasn't in vain. Something good could come from this. Our

1175
01:10:46.760 --> 01:10:49.079
system is flawed, and y'all we all know this, but

1176
01:10:49.800 --> 01:10:55.359
the actions of Joshua Powell are all his fault. Our

1177
01:10:55.479 --> 01:10:58.600
reactions and our failure to respond effectively in this case

1178
01:10:59.119 --> 01:11:02.479
isn't lost on me. But ultimately Joshua Powell is to

1179
01:11:02.560 --> 01:11:06.439
blame for one hundred percent of what happened. So the

1180
01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:09.680
moral of the story here is anyone is capable of

1181
01:11:09.920 --> 01:11:15.800
anything on any day. Failing to believe the red flags

1182
01:11:16.159 --> 01:11:19.239
is never a good idea. And when we don't act swiftly,

1183
01:11:19.800 --> 01:11:26.199
innocent people will always pay the price. My prayers are

1184
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.159
that Susan was there waiting on her knees with her

1185
01:11:29.319 --> 01:11:33.039
arms wide open as her two baby boys ran into

1186
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her arms at the gates of Heaven. I know that

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that had to be a reunification that only God himself saw,

1188
01:11:40.199 --> 01:11:43.199
but I just feel it in my soul that that's

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what she got her ultimate reward. She got to be

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back with her babies again. And as for Josh and

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01:11:49.600 --> 01:11:52.880
his dad, I can only assume that Satan welcomed them

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01:11:53.079 --> 01:11:56.560
right in as well. And I'll just be frank Their

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absence from this world doesn't bother me in the slightest

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at all. And I'm not one to dance on graves,

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but I'm not above tapping my feet a little