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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are
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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this
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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,
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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,
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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so
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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended
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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm
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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, it's
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kJ here, back for a not other episode of Unspeakable.
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But are you shook us? Because this is two in
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one week? What is going on here? This just must
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be an accident the hell it is? No, I decided,
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I said, no, I'm not gonna make them wait another week.
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I'm wrapping this up in the same week, So Tuda,
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you're getting two in one week. So this is going
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to be part four and the finale of the Israel
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Keys series. So if you haven't listened to one through three,
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make sure you stop right now, go back and listen
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so that you're not completely confuzzled on what is going
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to be going on today? Also, are y'all listening to
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Crime War Weekly. That's our new show that Jem and
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I are doing, and it's going to be true crime
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headlines that are happening all over the US as well
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as sometimes abroad. So go look down in the description.
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It's linked in the description. You can go follow that
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show and then you can get another episode each week
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and you can listen to stuff that's happening currently as well.
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So don't forget that. Now, let's jump in and let's
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get this thing finished. So far, we have identified three
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victims that Israel keys had for certain murdered, Samantha Koenig,
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Bill Currier, and Lorraine Courier. But as I mentioned, these victims,
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all three of them were all from the previous year
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that he was doing this confessing. But Israel had specifically
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stated he had been a different man for fourteen years.
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So the interviews continued, and what made this case now
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extraordinarily difficult to work with was the sheer number of
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people listed as missing or found murdered, combined with Israel's
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extensive travel habits. While there were three confirmed victims, Israel
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would eventually confess to a total of eleven murders, which meant, Look,
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I'm not good at math, but I can subtract three
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from eleven and that's going to give me eight people
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that are unaccounted for. Eight families without any information on
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their loved one's disappearance or possible murder. Eight families out there,
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probably frustrated, heartbroken, and just left in the dark of unknowns. Police,
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as well as most of us, want answers who were they?
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I mean, this is the least this guy could do,
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considering everything that he was now admitting to. And something
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rather frustrating while listening to his confessions was that he
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continued to hold information as a bargaining chip. There was
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no doubt if you listen to these there is no
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doubt he wanted the credit for these people's deaths, but
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he wanted to control the narrative before sharing any further information.
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And what do I mean by this, I'm gonna summarize.
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I'm gonna summarize it all up for you because the
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FBI tapes, I'm gonna tell you now, the FBI portions,
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the ones that they released were excruciatingly boring. Okay, I mean,
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I'm not even gonna play the audio because it was
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excruciatingly boring, but basically, before he confessed, he wanted insurance
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from the FEDS that the details of his crimes weren't
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made public. And this was so incredible. It's like, what
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do you mean You're gonna tell us but you don't
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want this to become public. All these victims are known
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to be victims. People know their loved ones are missing,
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people know that horrible things happen to them. What do
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you mean you want us to keep it from the public.
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So oftentimes, when horrible people plead guilty at the last
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minute to cases they know will make headlines, it's not
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for the victims. And I hope that you will recognize that.
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If you didn't before, maybe from this point forward recognize it.
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When they wait until the very last minute, it's not
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for the victims. It's for their own ego. That is
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why they do it. They don't want the people that
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they care about to know who they really are and
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really were when they committed these crimes. Israel was willing
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to talk, but only if the information wasn't released to
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the public, and so they continue to play this cat
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and mouse game for months, trying to pry the name
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of eight more people out of his mouth, and Israel
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knew he held the power of information, but the police
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continued to interview him and share bits of information with
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him in hopes that he would spill more as well. So,
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for example, during one session, an investigator advised him that
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some testing had been done on one of his kill kits,
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and it came back that they actually did have his print,
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specifically a perfect right thumb print, and he says, yeah, right,
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and he like laughs condescendingly, okay, sure whenever they told
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him this, but when investigators were like, no, man, really really,
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he kind of cocks back in a seat and he goes, wow,
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I'm impressed. Well, disappointed in myself, but still impressed. That's
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how he looked at this. So he knew that he
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was quote unquote good because he had gotten away with
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so many, But now the pressure was on. Could police
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identify him in the other killings before he gave up
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more information or confessed, because that would certainly strip him
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of his power or of his bargaining chip. So eventually
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he did give some information for the FBI to work
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with and some timeframes, but not everything. So here's what
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all was extracted overall, in location and date order according
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to Israel. But it's going to take us back to Oregon.
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And in the years nineteen ninety seven or nineteen ninety eight,
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it wasn't one hundred percent clear, but he admitted that
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he really started all of this massive crime spree with
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a rape. He admitted to sexually assaulting a teenage girl
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on the Dushutz River near Bend, Organ, And he did
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speak in some detail about his own feelings of that incident,
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which started with this abduction of that young girl. In
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his teenage years, I want to tell you a little
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bit about Israel. He renounced the Christian faith and he
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began to dabble in Satanism, and part of that satanism
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included planning a Satanic ritual that would be a killing
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that would involve a young woman. So at that time,
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he was working near a popular tubing site, you know
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where people jump in their inner tubes and they float
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down the river and drink a beer or whatever and
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enjoy the warm sun and the water. Well, this happened
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to be prime hunting grounds, and one day he stood
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on that very beach along the river and was watching
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as people floated by, and eventually he waded out into
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the water and he grabbed a girl who happened to
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be the last girl in her group of tubers. He
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said that she was between the ages of fourteen and eighteen,
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if he had to guess, and that she had sandy
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blonde hair. So he grabs her and he pulled her ashore,
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and at that point he grabbed hold of her and
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he drug her into a remote campground bathroom. Now, he
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mentioned that he was really struck by this kidnapping, specifically
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because he said he could tell that she was scared,
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but she kept talking to him and about random things.
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She kept saying things like, look, I'm not gonna tell anybody,
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I won't tell anybody, amongst all the other like random
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things that she was saying. So he was just kind
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of struck she was talking to me, Well, yeah, Israel,
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maybe she was so scared that she was trying to
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keep him calm, or maybe to keep herself calm, or
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something to make her humanized, to make her just a girl,
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that maybe he wouldn't want to hurt her. But once
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he got her in that bathroom, he tied her up
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with ropes and he viciously raped the young lady. And
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once he was satisfied. He planned originally to strangle her
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to death, and then he was gonna dump her in
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what he called a toy will pit because he figured
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no one would be looking there for a long while.
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Hopefully she would decompose and any DNA evidence would be
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gone by that point. And he was also prepared with
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knives that he was going to use in his satanic
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killing ritual. But for some reason, even he didn't know why,
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he decided to let her go. He didn't commit the ritual,
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he didn't kill her, and afterwards, when he was reviewing
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what he had done, he decided she would be the
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only person that he would ever let go again. So
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who is she? Israel? We're all wondering. I know you're wondering.
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I was wanting to tell us who is it? Well,
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he kept the name again a bargaining chip. Someone's daughter
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was either holding the rape unmentioned or he didn't really
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let her go. That's really what we're left to decide.
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The truth was yet to be revealed. I can tell
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you this per the FBI database, which you know. I
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went there and I looked at it because that's who
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I am as a person. I want to go look
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myself I pulled up rapes in Oregon between nineteen eight,
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ninety eight and nineteen ninety nine, and the rapes mentioned
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to police in that data set was absolutely zero. Now,
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in true transparency, the stats on the site were also
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zero up until twenty thirteen, so I doubt that that's accurate.
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But this could have been data on reported rapes. We
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should know, or if you don't know, I'll teach you this.
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A lot of rapes do not go mentioned to police.
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They don't even know about it, and that's scary when
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you look at the numbers of that are reported in
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current times, most of them go unreported. So after this
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Israel joined the army, which was confirmed, and it made
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sense too, because according to his timeline, he didn't attack
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anyone for three more years after this girl was savagely raped.
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And if he was in the military, which was confirmed, obviously,
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we know why it made sense. He had taken a
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high school equivalency test and joined the army, and the
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reasoning behind that was because he was intrigued by the
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idea of learning survival skills to live off the land,
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to go undetected. Hmm. I wonder why now, while I
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was in the army, he was able to make friends
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with other soldiers, and drinking became a common pastime. I
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wouldn't say that that's uncommon. You know, you're trying to
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make friends with people that you may go to battle with,
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and drinking helps to relax the situation and take off
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the edge. But at one point during his army time,
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he was stationed in Egypt for about six months, and
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per his own admissions, he would often go to Tel
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Aviv to service the prostitutes. But as far as killing,
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he never said he did. He would just go to
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mess around with these prostitutes. But then in two thousand
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and one, after he was discharged from the army, from
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what I understand, it was a medical issue that he
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was discharged for. Originally, when I first recorded, I wasn't
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sure why, but I continued to research and I did
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read somewhere that they said that it was a medical issue.
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But he was back on the prow once he was
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discharged from the army. So now this takes us to
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Washington in two thousand and one, and this is where
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he says he committed his first murder. Now, this was
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done after moving to the Macaw Reservation near Nia Bay.
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So why was he there. I was curious about this because,
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I mean, it seems kind of odd that you would
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move to a tribal land out of anywhere you could be.
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And I found that it was because of a woman,
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but not one he wanted to kill. This was one
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he actually fell in love with. He met her online
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and she was an actual tribe member of the local
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legendary whale hunters, which also again li It had me interested,
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so I did do a little more looking at that.
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And it is a beautiful tribal land area where this is,
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and I've never been there, but I looked at the
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pictures and the area and the people and it really
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was just really really cool. And the history of whaling
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is also detailed online on their site, and it's very
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rooted in the appreciation of nature, prayer, and using every
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portion of the whale for the good of the people.
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And it's really neat how precious this is to them
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as a means of culture and taking care of their tribe.
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They use every ounce of that whale and nothing is
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going to ever go to waste. Now, I'll tell you
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this about me. I'm not big on killing animals, except
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by the way of them being used for food. I
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personally I like to deer hunt, I like to fish.
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But you can be damn sure. I don't just go
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kill for the fun of killing. We eat, and we
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consume and we use every thing that we kill. And
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these people seem to be of that same mindset in
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that regard. But clearly Israel was the antithesis of respecting
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what he killed. But he moved on the land with
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his woman where they rented a home and they started
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a family, and he soon thereafter became the father to
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a baby girl. So he worked the parks and Recreations department.
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He was very well liked by the people there, and
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he was considered I think already mentioned this an excellent
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carpenter and a family man. But blending in that was
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his best game, hanging out and doing normal things all
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the while hunting people. So, as I said, he killed
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someone at this time, but he withheld the name when