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In this episode of Unspeakable, KJ unravels the mysterious murder of Jonathan Cheryl in South Carolina. The investigation follows 911 calls, shell casings, and perplexing surveillance footage. Suspicions arise around a troubled business deal and an intricate personal relationship. The focus shifts to Collette Collins and her husband Sam, revealing a web of lies and deceit culminating in a gripping pursuit of justice.

Timestamps
04:32 The Life and Business Ventures of Jonathan Cheryl
08:59 The Mysterious Murder of Jonathan Cheryl Begins
13:23 Potential Suspects in Jonathan's Murder
14:36 Heartbreaking Notification to Jonathan's Parents
24:21 Investigating Business Troubles and Weed Disputes
34:29 Heartbreak for Jonathan's Parents
37:57 Surveillance Footage Reveals Suspicious Vehicle
41:18 Jonathan's Dog and Mysterious Woman Interactions
01:09:10 Drug Usage Revelations
01:12:58 Unexplained Gunshots
01:17:44 Suspicious Text Messages
01:20:30 Taillights and Turn
01:24:03 The Bus-Throwing Begins
01:26:09 Facing the Truth
01:27:32 Arrests and Confessions

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering, how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey Y'ALLKJ you're

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back for another Instead of Unspeakable, what is going on?

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I have got a fire episode for you today. I

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think you're gonna really enjoy it. I worked really hard.

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Matter of fact, I took eighteen pages of notes for you.

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That's right. I did my work because while you're driving,

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or you're doing dishes, or you're cleaning somebody's house, you

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need the info and I'm here to provide it to you.

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But before I start, I've got some I got some

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shout out to some people that I need to recognize

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for joining my crime family and for just being all

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around awesome people. And I'm gonna start yall this one

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straight out of Louisiana. So first I'm gonna go with

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Tony McClung from right here in Louisiana. Hi, Tony, thank

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you so very much for supporting me as well as Stephanie.

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Now I would say Cole, but it could be cohole.

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I don't know how much I'm supposed to put in it,

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but I'm saying it for you. Stephanie right there in Lincoln, Nebraska. Hey, Steph's,

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thank you so much for joining. Thank you for being

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a part of my podcast, for supporting me and for

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believing in what I'm doing. It means everything to me.

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And I've got Taylor annbnvenue. How are you girl? You're

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from right here in Denham's.

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No shatnay shit, the invenue, theenvenue, And I've.

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Got Taylor n venvenue. How are you doing? She's right here,

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right here in Denham Springs. Girl, we gotta get coffee

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or something. And then Susan Edwards another Denim Springs. In Susan,

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do you know how important it is to have people

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in your community support you. I don't know if you do.

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Ronda Rayburn, now she's a little bit further down, but

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she's in Hammon Louisiana. I got a lot of family

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in Hammond, so thank you, miss Ronda. And I've got

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Raven Adams from Denham Spring. Y'all. My people, my hometown

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people are bringing it in. Hey, Raven. And then Rachel

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Brunner or is it Brunner y'all? This makes me I

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want to do it right for you, Rachel Brunner or Brunner, Hey, Rachel,

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thank you so much. She's from Kentucky, y'all. Hinkle, Kentucky. Hey, girl,

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I'm so thankful, and I know you know you should

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have more words to say than thankful, but that's what

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it is from the bottom of my heart. I mean,

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if people believe in me and they support me, that

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makes all the difference. And so I'm so thankful to

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have you along the way. But before I start this story, y'all,

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I have to tell y'all, I have to tell y'all

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something that happened. If you have a kid listening for

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some reason, just like, make them your muffs real quick

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and cover their ears. This is the funniest shit I

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think I've ever heard of my life. So my nephew

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and my niece and someone else were driving down the

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road and something happened to where they almost got run

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off the road, I think is what it was, something

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along those lines. And so my niece was trying to

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be funny and like we need to get out of

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the car, and so she starts screaming, oh, I remember

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it was her boyfriend and my nephew. That's what makes

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us even better. Her boyfriend, my nephew, and my niece.

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She starts screaming, ejaculate, ejaculate. Sorry, I thorted. Both of

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the boys turn around look at each other while I'd

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like you, what are you screaming? And that's when she says, oh, wait,

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I think I meant evacuate, evacuate. So let that be

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your inspiration today that hopefully, if you're trying to evacuate,

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you don't scream ejaculate to your brother and your boyfriend.

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I'm partickled by that, like I was because my nephew

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almost died. All right to the story, which is not

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nearly as funny. This is gonna be in Bluffed in

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South Carolina, and it takes place in twenty fifteen, and

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that is going to be the home of Jonathan Cheryl.

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Now he's thirty three years old. He is handsome, and

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I mean for real, I kind of got to thinking

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about it while I was writing my notes, and I thought,

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I need to like give them a good description to him.

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So to give you a good visual, I want you

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to think of eric On the Little Mermaid, all right.

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He looks like eric On the Little Mermaid. He's got,

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you know, this dark tan skin, he's got black hair,

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it's gelled back. He's very well kept. He looks put together.

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He looks like a great mix of a manly man,

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a businessman. And he loves sports. He especially liked playing soccer.

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And he was really a multifaceted guy because he had

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a range of skills. He was an artist as well

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as he played the guitar, so he he really was

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into a lot of things. He was expressive. He had

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a big personality. He literally would be the guy and

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you know what happens if they say you're gonna lie

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up a room. You know, spoiler alert here, But he

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literally lit up a room when people were there. He

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was the life of the party. And he also had

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a passion for collecting comic books, so he also had

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that little handsome nerd mystique to him as well. He

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had something else about him that I really was attracted

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to as well, and that was the fact that he

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loved his dog. He was very much a pet person

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and even his Facebook page is littered with photos of

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Hilm and his puppy. So if that kind of gives

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you a little bit about what he was like, super

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super charismatic fella, and he liked a party. He liked

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to go out with his friends. But as he had

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gotten older, he really started focusing on being a businessman,

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making money and being successful. So if you're about my age,

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I'll be forty in two weeks. Don't tell anybody, but

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all of our photos, when we look back at our photos,

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like when we were clubbing and doing all that, he

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looks just like what you would expect of us back

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in the club with our collared shirts and the gelled

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hair and that fresh face, cool boy kind of attitude

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about him, and he looked like he was someone who

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kind of ran his crew. Well, something that really helped

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him to be successful was the fact that he was

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a people person, one hundred percent of people person. And

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he was educated as well. He had graduated from Allegheny

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College in Meadville, Pennsylvania, and right after that he really

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started out as a bartender, which again you got to

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have a good personality to be I think you should

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have a good personality be a bartender. I mean that's

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how you get the tips, right. And he bartended at

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places like Catch twenty two, which is a popular place.

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And he just had a gift and it was quickly

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realized by people. He had a gift for starting successful

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bars and restaurants. It was just in his wheelhouse. So

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he opened other businesses like Trinity Restaurant at Greenwood Place

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and this was on Hiltonhead Island as well as Rumors

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Restaurant in Bluffton. And he was a co developer of

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the Charbar restaurant of hilton Head Island as well. And

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he really grew to be a respected business developer and

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eventually would become the owner of Pepper's Old Town Restaurant.

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And I wanted to give you all that detail because

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it just shows you how talented this young guy was

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at thirty three years old. I mean, he's owning his

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own restaurant, and that's hard anyway. I have friends in

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the restaurant business, and you know, some of them tell

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me that just to turn a ten to twenty percent

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profit is like the goal. And to run a business

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with only that much margin of profit, I think that

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you have to be a really skilled individual. And he

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lived in a very nice area of town. It was

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he had a small home, but it was nestled into

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a place called Pine Crest Way, and that street is

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lined with homes at all really looks similar. The area

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is kept very nice. It's a golf course community, and

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his home backs up to the golf course, so his

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backyard he has like a patio, and then there's like

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a little thin line of woods, and then there's the

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golf course right behind him. And his home looks like

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a standard I would say, middle class home. It was

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probably a little more expensive because of where it's located.

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He's got a single car garage. His house is this

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creamy yellow color on the front, very well kept and manicured,

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and then off to the left of the home is

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the single you know, front door under a small stoop.

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The neighbors are very close to him. When I'm looking

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at the photograph, if you're watching me podcast, by the way,

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I even printed out a picture of it, so I'm

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giving you a very accurate description of the house. If

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you see right there, but really just enough room to

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probably ride a lawnmower between the homes, so they're pretty

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close to each other. Now Jonathan's living situation, I wanna

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tell you little bit about that he had a roommate,

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which when I saw the roommate, no lie, not judging,

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but I was a little bit surprised by it because

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his name was Robert's Vox, which if I was pronouncing

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this and I hadn't looked up the pronunciation, I would

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have said voe down here in the South, that would

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be voue all day long. But they say vox, and

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so I'm going off of the pronunciation as I heard

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it in some news articles. Heard it news articles that

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is so ignorant. I heard it on television called vox,

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but it's vaux. So his roommate was Robert Vox. And

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he's an older gentleman. He's not some young guy that

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I would have expected him to be rooming with, but

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he's an older gentleman. In comparison, he looks to be

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in his sixties. I would guess he's got, you know,

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kind of a receding hair pattern. He's got that bright

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white hair that men get with age. Squinty almond eyes.

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He looks like a decent man. He looks like a

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you know, good man, and I guess maybe that's why

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they got along so well. Another reason I think they

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got along so well was that, from what I gathered,

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he was also in the restaurant business with Jonathan, but

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at what full capacity, I'm not sure. There wasn't a

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lot that I was able to find, except for one tidbit,

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which I'm going to share with you in a minute.

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I do know that they had at least one one

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business business venture together, but like I said, I'm gonna

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tell you about that. So the roommates lived a very

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low key lifestyle and their home life was a good one.

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There weren't any you know, records of fighting or discrepancies

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or anything of that nature. And real quick, just to

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be clear, when I say roommates, that's really all they were.

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They were roommates. Jonathan loved the ladies, and the ladies

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like Jonathan, so they were just strictly roommates. And that's

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why on the evening of Wednesday, October twenty eighth, twenty fifteen,

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it was strange when not one, but two nine to

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one one calls would come in from the home and

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does that make so?

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Hello?

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Our felt some rooms was shot.

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Okay, I do have someone in the rowd. Okay, are

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the suspects there?

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Now?

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I don't know about you, but when I first heard

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that call, I legit thought that that was like an

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older black lady making that call, But it turns out

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that was actually the voice of Roberts, the room mate.

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And then as you can tell, he abruptly hangs up.

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So just a few seconds later another call comes in.

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Literally seconds later, another call comes in from the home,

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but now it's somebody else.

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That one one may time.

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I day my friends, then sewing killed. Hello, Hi my friends,

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then showing killed.

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How can hear you say? Could you cut it again?

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My friend's been shy and killed.

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Okay, what's the address? It's Pine Crash, thirty nine, thirty

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nine Pine Crash, and it's just happened, yes, okay, and

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he's there now, I mean he's your mate. Okay, and

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you said he was shot.

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Yeah, we're seeing how saying got shot in from of me?

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Okay, that was thirty nine Pine Crests correct.

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Yes, and he bleeding, he got shot in the head,

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he gat.

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Okay, you're getting them out to you okay, yeah, say

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this aspects so bad.

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I don't know. We were outside and someone shot. Ween's

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cheer him Henry.

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Okay, where your friend at now? He sing out, I

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ran okay, okay. Sorry, So you said you was outside.

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You didn't see any suspects or anything?

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Sing out back?

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Okay? Did you see any vehicles or anything? They come around?

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No, they came from long time the driving arrangement. Okay.

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Law enforcement isn't route to you. Okay, And it was

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just you out you there at the resident.

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No, he's roommates homing bag.

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Well, how much total are they at the resident?

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Got three?

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Okay? And no one saw anyone.

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No, we're singing out there and we nark got back

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to you're driving range and out back. Okay, we heard

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a gun talk and then you shot for fire. John,

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all right, he's making town.

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Okay, so you say he's making towns now and.

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Hello?

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Sorry, hello, you have the cock here?

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Okay, you can go ahead to speak with them, okay,

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say all right, okay, bye boy.

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The second caller doesn't identify himself as by name or anything.

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He just says, I'm a friend of Jonathan and I

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know you just listen to it. He does come across

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as a little flat for somebody that just witnessed their

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friends supposedly get killed right in front of them. But

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if there's anything I'd like to caution my listeners about,

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it's that you never can predict how people are going

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to respond to a traumatic experience. So I don't want

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you to necessarily hang on that slat affect and don't

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jump to a conclusion just yet. So police arrived within minutes,

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and they do find a man clearly deceased and beyond

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saving on the back patio, and they're quickly able to

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identify him as thirty three year old Jonathan Cheryl. So

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when you're looking at the crime scene, which by the way,

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I will put photos on Patreon from a listener so

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that you can go look at this and kind of

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take in the crime scene, Jonathan clearly is seated comfortably.

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He looks like he was relaxed. He's on this outdoor couch.

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It looks like he's just hanging out like he would

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have been talking to friends, and his body just seems

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like when he was struck, he just fell straight over.

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Matter of fact, his cell phone was still literally like

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in his hand or kind of under his hand where

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it looked as if he was using it because the

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screen was face up and the light was still literally shining.

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You know when you tap your cell phone and the

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light comes up. The light was still shining when investigators

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went back there. So as police investigated his body, it

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became very clear that there was a large entrance wound

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on the right side of his head and that a

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bullet had passed straight through his skull and then it

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blew out blood and brain matter with such force that

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it was spattered on the wall of the house a

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couple feet away. They kind of were like, Okay, well,

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this guy's clearly been shot. And what was of concern

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to police too, was that someone claimed to have been

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there and witnessed it as the bullet passed through, which

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was that second caller that called in and he said, yeah,

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I saw it happen. I was sitting right there when

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it happened, And police would identify him as Joe Ruby.

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Joe was a good friend of Jonathan's and said, look,

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I came to hang out and this happened. I called police.

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So as they were gathering more statements from Joe, they

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were assessing the crime scene and really trying to take

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in what was happening had happened on the back patio.

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Based on the entrance wound and Jonathan's head and how

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he lay, they believed that the shooter must have been

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in his backyard, and so police walked out in the

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direction that they believed that shooter would have been standing.

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In general, so they walked out and then positioned themselves

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in the vicinity right where they believed the shot must

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have been taken. And wouldn't you know, they were right.

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They believed that this was going to be a twelve

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gage shotgun or something similar, and when they looked down,

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they found two shell casings within about a foot of

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each other, right there on the ground. They also found

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a shoeprint in the dirt near the area where the

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shooter was believed to be standing when he took the shots. Now,

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other than these minimal pieces of physical evidence, there really

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wasn't much else to go on. There wasn't like the

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house hadn't been ransacked, there hadn't been you know, trashing

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of anything. Nobody really had much more to give than

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what they saw. So detectives immediately took Joe back to

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the station because they had to get some more in

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depth questioning of this guy, and when they asked him

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what exactly happened, his summary of events was pretty simple.

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He said they were sitting on the back patio, they

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were just talking to each other, and during the conversation,

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at one point they heard what, clearly he sounded like

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a gun being racked. And if there's anything I know,

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you know the sound of a shotgun when it's racked.

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My daddy told me this. I've probably said it before,

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but he always said, baby, make sure you have a

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twelve gage in your house at all times, because the

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racking of a twelve gauge is the universal sound fro.

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I'm about to fuck you up. Remember that. Maybe we

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should make that a sound bite, you know. And it's

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good advice, right. So when they heard the racking of

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the gun, it caught them both by surprise so quick

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that he said that we looked at each other and

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then we looked in the direction that we thought we

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heard it racked from, and he didn't see anything, and

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he looked back. Now this was a matter of seconds.

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They looked at each other, he looked towards the sound,

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and then he looked back at Jonathan with a little

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bit of confusion, and right as he looked back at Jonathan, boom,

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that first of two shots was fired, and Joe said

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it happened so fast that he just looked at Jonathan.

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The shot went off, and then he said, Jonathan's head

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snapped backwards, and he knew instantly, Oh my god, my

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friend has just been mortally wounded. He said, there was

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no question in my mind. He said, within seconds that

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second shot went off, and that's whenever he jumped up.

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He said, I was ducking to get out of the way.

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I shot into the house. I ran to Jonathan's room,

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I dove into his closet. I got as far back

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as I could, and I dialed nine to one one.

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So why did you go into the back of the closet,

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He's like, I just wanted to get as far back

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as I could and hide myself because I didn't know

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what was going on. And you know, when he said that,

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I almost could identify with it in a really weird way,

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because I lived in my own home before I got

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married and all that had my own home, and I

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remember someone came and knock the way my house was

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laid out. There's I had a porch right a covered porch,

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but my bedroom window was on the end of the porch.

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And I remember being asleep one night and someone started

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knocking on my bedroom window, but they wouldn't say anything,

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and it creaked me out so bad. And then they

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started knocking hard on my bedroom window, and I got

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up and I dove straight into my closet to the

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very back of it, and I started blowing up my boyfriend,

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which is my husband now, I sort of blowing him up.

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He wuldn't answer in the phone, and so I texted

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him code Rainbow, because we had a joke between us

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if something was going bad, we would text each other

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code blue. And I put fucking code rainbow, like every

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color on the planet helped me help me. He didn't answer.

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He was asleep. Come to find out, y'all, I made it.

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I mean, I'm podcasting. And it was a painter that

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had come. He didn't speak English, and he forgot which

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day he was supposed to come, and he showed up

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to try to ask me. And anyway we lived. Life

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was good, but scared shit out of me. So I

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could dive in the back of a closet, so could Joe.

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And you know, it's a very delicate situation here for police,

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because you know, this person was, you know, in feet

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of seeing his friend murdered, supposedly, and there's a fine

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line between trying to get answers from people without making

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them feel like they're a suspect, which but if you're

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right there, I'm gonna tell you right now your suspect

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until you're proven not. Joe also verified that there was

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no one else at the house except for him, Jonathan,

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and the roommate Roberts, who he said was asleep in

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his bedroom when everything went down. So whenever we're trying

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to rule somebody out, we all know that we're going

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to start with the closest circle, which is either family

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or friends or spouse, and then we're going to work

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our way out. Not only are we going to go

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closest in relationship, but we're also going to go closest

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in physical proximity to the person who has now deceased.

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So police took Joe's clothes, they took his shoes, and

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they took gunshot residue tests of the hands of both

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Roberts and Joe, because if they have residue on their hands,

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that's what we would call a clue, and we need

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to investigate these guys a little bit further. Now. As

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these steps are being taken, another person comes forward, which

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was a neighbor that lived very close to Jonathan's home.

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Remember the houses are really close together. And he said,

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I heard the gunshots go off, and he said, I

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just happened to get up and look out my backyard

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in the direction of where the sound came from, and

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he said, I saw a man walking through my backyard

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towards the wooded area. And they said, okay, can you

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describe this man to me? And he said, I mean,

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I don't have much of a description, but I can

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tell you for sure that this guy was not in

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a hurry, he wasn't running, his shoulders were held high.

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He seemed to be walking towards the direction of what

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looked like a glowing light, which the neighbor thought was

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break lights. And that was pretty much the best of

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what this neighbor could tell them. The names of the

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streets are going to come into play here, so I'm

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going to try to kind of lay out the neighborhood

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for you a little bit so you can make sense

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of this. But if you're looking down from an aerial

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point of view. All right, bird's eye point of view,

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there's Jonathan's house with a bunch of other houses in

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a row. And then in the backyard of all of

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these houses, small backyards. There's not a fence or anything,

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but there's a thin layer of woods, and then there's

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a golf course, like I told you, just on the

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other side of those thin woods. Now, in that layer

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of thin woods, which is not super wide, there is

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a beaten path, I guess you would call it. And

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you can tell that people walk this path quite often.

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And I have photos of this that again I'll post

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for you so you can look at it and kind

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of get a visual of what was going on. So

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the street that the beaten path opened up one if

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you walk down that path, there's a street I don't know,

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I'm gonna guess one hundred yards away. That street was

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called Master's Way. And it was completely reasonable to believe

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that someone could have stopped there in a car and

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picked up whoever this guy that was walking was and

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made it within the timeframe of the gunshots going off,

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the neighbor seeing him seeing break lights, and then after

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that the neighbor said, oh, and by the way, Shortly

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after after I saw the person walking towards what I

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thought was break lights. I then heard kind of like

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a peeling out sound and a car clearly taking off.

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So this was a really good start to try to

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understand what may have happened. So police did what they

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do best and they set out to see if there

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were any surveillance cameras. Surveillance cameras are excellent, and I

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love when they're in places that nobody expects. So, after all,

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this was a golf course community, right, so it's going

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to be well kept, it's going to have a low

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crime rate, and there's gotta be cameras because where people

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invest money, they want to protect it. That's one of

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the draws to living in a golf course community. Well,

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sure enough, about two houses down police would find a

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security camera, and as luck would have it, it was

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pointing directly at Jonathan's house. Like, what are the chances?

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Pretty good? So they headed straight in that direction to

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collect the footage and to see what could they get.

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But at this point what was taking place was Joe

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Ruby is still answering questions. This was not a very short,

463
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you know, interrogation, and the basic question of why he

464
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:10.839
was there was kind of a point you on why

465
00:25:10.880 --> 00:25:14.160
were you there at the house to begin with, and

466
00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:16.960
so he said, well, Jonathan invited me over. I was

467
00:25:17.000 --> 00:25:19.799
at work. My shift ended about eleven pm. When I

468
00:25:19.799 --> 00:25:21.880
got off of work, I went straight to Jonathan's house.

469
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:25.519
And he said that at some point Jonathan had mentioned

470
00:25:25.519 --> 00:25:28.680
that he went outside because a car had shown up,

471
00:25:29.519 --> 00:25:32.839
and he explained a little bit more about that situation.

472
00:25:33.279 --> 00:25:35.319
But rather than me tell you in my own terms,

473
00:25:35.359 --> 00:25:37.039
I'm going to let you hear Joe tell it in

474
00:25:37.079 --> 00:25:40.079
his own voice about this car that Jonathan said had

475
00:25:40.119 --> 00:25:42.599
shown up and how it was kind of a sketchy situation.

476
00:25:43.039 --> 00:25:46.119
He told me a story because he said some really

477
00:25:46.119 --> 00:25:50.920
weird asking someone that he said, and doorbell rang. He

478
00:25:51.279 --> 00:25:54.440
looked here the evil when saw a girl there so

479
00:25:54.839 --> 00:26:01.359
open tower. She said she had hard over someone. Trybody know,

480
00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.440
thenked sash. He closed the door, put the clothson and

481
00:26:05.440 --> 00:26:08.079
went ill. Looking at her car. He is everything fine,

482
00:26:08.720 --> 00:26:11.519
and he said, tried to make alban or something. She

483
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:12.799
hears to come and tie.

484
00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:17.559
So he's totally car And I don't know about you,

485
00:26:17.599 --> 00:26:22.079
but it sounds like Joe's being pretty uh forthcoming. He

486
00:26:22.160 --> 00:26:26.240
sounds relaxed, and he's being very open and honest about

487
00:26:26.880 --> 00:26:28.960
you know, what he says was going on. But when

488
00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.319
he was asked, can you describe the girl to me

489
00:26:32.039 --> 00:26:35.519
that Jonathan said shown up showed up? He said, well,

490
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:37.880
she was a decent looking girl, but he really didn't

491
00:26:37.880 --> 00:26:40.839
have much else to add other than she probably was

492
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:44.519
about the same age as Jonathan as well. But Jonathan

493
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:48.480
said something weird to him about her stopping by. He

494
00:26:48.519 --> 00:26:50.599
said it was kind of weird though, because he felt

495
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:53.000
like it was almost like maybe someone was casing his

496
00:26:53.119 --> 00:26:55.680
house and they kind of were like really, and he's

497
00:26:55.720 --> 00:26:57.400
you know, they kind of talked just for a brief second,

498
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:59.319
and then they didn't think much else of it and

499
00:26:59.359 --> 00:27:03.039
they moved on to different conversation. So to fully lay

500
00:27:03.079 --> 00:27:07.000
out the grasp of kind of what happened when the

501
00:27:07.039 --> 00:27:08.799
shots were fired again, you can look at the pictures

502
00:27:08.839 --> 00:27:12.240
up posted on Patreon, but you'll notice that there's a

503
00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:16.839
chair by the back door, and then when the door

504
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.200
is opened, you'll see that Robert's the roommate. His room

505
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:24.640
is literally right inside that back door to the left.

506
00:27:24.799 --> 00:27:26.480
I mean it's right there. You open the back door,

507
00:27:26.519 --> 00:27:28.519
you can stand in the same spot and over open

508
00:27:29.000 --> 00:27:34.559
Roberts's door. So Joe even claimed that when he opened

509
00:27:34.599 --> 00:27:37.759
the back door and he ran in, he immediately started

510
00:27:37.759 --> 00:27:41.599
banging on Robert's door, screaming, oh my god, Jonathan's been shot.

511
00:27:41.680 --> 00:27:44.039
Oh my god, and he's banging on the door and

512
00:27:44.079 --> 00:27:47.880
that you know, he's He says that he screamed, holy

513
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.799
shit at one point, Jonathan's been shot. He's dead. And

514
00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:55.119
then he said Roberts immediately opened the door and said, yeah,

515
00:27:55.119 --> 00:27:56.720
I'm on the phone with nine to one one because

516
00:27:56.720 --> 00:27:59.759
he had heard the shots. It scared him awake. Joe

517
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:01.640
then and was like, I was really afraid that the

518
00:28:01.680 --> 00:28:04.240
intruder might be coming towards me or coming through the

519
00:28:04.319 --> 00:28:07.200
front door, and that's why he said he then ran

520
00:28:07.359 --> 00:28:10.240
into Jonathan's room and had gotten into the closet, and

521
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:13.119
once he got in Jonathan's room, he made that nine

522
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:16.920
one one call, and he was completely shaken by the

523
00:28:16.920 --> 00:28:19.799
fact that he saw Jonathan's head blowback, he saw brains

524
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.160
come out, and he just wanted to hide as quickly

525
00:28:22.200 --> 00:28:25.720
as possible. Once he had nine one one on the phone, though,

526
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:30.200
and nobody came barging into the house, he kind of

527
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.960
felt a little bit more comfortable. So he got up

528
00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:37.240
and he walked back towards the window where he could

529
00:28:37.279 --> 00:28:40.039
look out on the patio, and he said, oh my god,

530
00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:43.279
he's kind of twitching. He's making these heavy breathing sounds.

531
00:28:43.519 --> 00:28:46.200
But based on the way his head looked, he said,

532
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:49.640
I just couldn't believe that this was purposeful movement and

533
00:28:49.799 --> 00:28:52.599
sound coming out of him. It was almost just like

534
00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:57.799
a death rattle. Everything Joe was saying not only was plausible,

535
00:28:58.119 --> 00:29:04.279
but it made sense. And detectives saw something that you

536
00:29:04.359 --> 00:29:06.720
can also see in the photos, which made them have

537
00:29:06.839 --> 00:29:12.119
a little bit more questioning. So on the table on

538
00:29:12.160 --> 00:29:15.640
the back patio, they you can clearly see a pipe

539
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:19.319
which would be traditionally used to smoke weed. So they

540
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:20.920
tell him, you're not in trouble or anything, we just

541
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:24.400
want to understand what's happening in totality. So questions came

542
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:28.039
up about who typically supplied the weed, and Joe said,

543
00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:32.079
Jonathan supplied it. But he said, but look, we didn't

544
00:29:32.079 --> 00:29:35.039
smoke weed that night, and they said not at all.

545
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.359
He said, not at all. He just he had the

546
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.720
pipe out there, but we didn't smoke anything that night,

547
00:29:40.240 --> 00:29:41.799
And so basically they were kind of going on the

548
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:44.680
path of was there possibly a disagreement over the weed

549
00:29:45.519 --> 00:29:49.359
and it kind of went to murder? And I know

550
00:29:49.400 --> 00:29:51.559
you're like, my god, you know it's weed, And that

551
00:29:51.599 --> 00:29:55.119
may seem silly to some people who are who were like,

552
00:29:55.160 --> 00:29:56.920
you know, who would kill somebody over weed? But I

553
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:58.839
don't know if you're listening to my episodes in order,

554
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:00.559
but if you haven't, you ought to go back and

555
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.960
listen to the episode about the devil, you know, supposedly

556
00:30:04.000 --> 00:30:07.759
making these kids kill some other people. And in that case,

557
00:30:08.319 --> 00:30:10.839
that literally is what the bad guy brings up as

558
00:30:10.880 --> 00:30:13.039
the cause of why they went and murdered people to

559
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.400
get money to pay back the kid that was always

560
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.079
supplying the weed. So it's really not a far fetch,

561
00:30:19.079 --> 00:30:22.599
and people kill over the dumbest reasons and so it

562
00:30:22.640 --> 00:30:25.839
had to be ruled out. Joe was also asked where

563
00:30:25.920 --> 00:30:29.279
Jonathan usually got his weed from, to which he was adamant,

564
00:30:29.359 --> 00:30:31.319
I have no idea where he gets it from. The

565
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:33.279
only thing I could give you was I think that

566
00:30:33.319 --> 00:30:35.519
he had a dealer named Seth that he would go

567
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:40.160
buy weed from. And as the questions continue, they say, okay, well,

568
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.079
do you have any idea who might have done this

569
00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:45.720
to Jonathan, and immediately, without hesitation, Joe brought up the

570
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:49.160
fact that there had been a recent business venture that

571
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:51.440
Jonathan was a part of and it had soured, and

572
00:30:51.480 --> 00:30:55.359
it had soured terribly. So for some kid, or I

573
00:30:55.440 --> 00:30:57.759
say kid, for some thirty three year old who has

574
00:30:57.839 --> 00:31:01.279
had nothing but great success to have a business venture

575
00:31:01.359 --> 00:31:03.440
go south, I'm sure that hit him kind of hard.

576
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.000
So there had been this recent decision that he was

577
00:31:07.039 --> 00:31:10.519
gonna go into a joint venture and combine his business

578
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:14.000
with some other people, and they created a business called

579
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:19.880
the Sipin' Cow. So the roommate was actually in on

580
00:31:19.960 --> 00:31:24.680
this deal. So it was a woman named Christy Pinksky, Jonathan,

581
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:28.400
his roommate Roberts, and another woman named Mary Bell, which,

582
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:30.079
by the way, if you're a big True cry fan,

583
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.680
a true crime fan, it might make you kind of

584
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:37.319
like shiver because Mary Bell is a notorious child killer.

585
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:39.759
I may you do an episode on that. I need

586
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.799
to write that down. Do episode on Mary Bell. When

587
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:45.839
I say child killer, I don't mean she killed children necessarily,

588
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.839
she did, but she herself was a child and it's

589
00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:51.480
creepy af so well, we may have to do that.

590
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:55.480
I'll do that for y'all, but Mary Bell, So what

591
00:31:55.640 --> 00:31:58.839
exactly had caused this business venture to go south? And

592
00:31:58.960 --> 00:32:03.440
Joe explained that once the business was created, everyone in

593
00:32:03.519 --> 00:32:08.599
this partnership started accusing everyone else of embezzling money. So

594
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:10.720
everyone's kind of like in a circle. I kind of

595
00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:12.640
see four people in a circle with guns pointed at

596
00:32:12.680 --> 00:32:14.880
each other on bothans, you know, like everyone thinks everyone

597
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:17.839
else is doing something. And as far as the main

598
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.759
point went, Joe believed from what he understood that Christy

599
00:32:22.400 --> 00:32:25.240
was not depositing some of the catering checks into the

600
00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:28.279
proper accounts, and then she had switched one of the

601
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:32.480
credit cards for the business to her bank account, and

602
00:32:32.519 --> 00:32:35.119
then she was paying people under the table, So maybe

603
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:38.640
some tax issue going on here as well as taking

604
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:41.160
money that should have been split between everybody else. And

605
00:32:41.160 --> 00:32:44.920
if we all know anything, money can get your ass killed.

606
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:50.200
So this whole business dealing had Jonathan completely in a

607
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.279
bad spot, and Joe said he hadn't been doing well

608
00:32:53.279 --> 00:32:55.519
for a while. He was used to success and this

609
00:32:55.720 --> 00:33:00.240
was dragging him down. But recently Jonathan had been in

610
00:33:00.279 --> 00:33:02.200
a better mood. He had had a little bit of

611
00:33:02.200 --> 00:33:05.640
a change in his outlook and as a matter of fact,

612
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:08.240
he says, Look, he started buying and selling comic books.

613
00:33:08.240 --> 00:33:11.160
He was really excited about it. He loved comics and

614
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:13.720
he was making money doing it. And I know this

615
00:33:13.799 --> 00:33:16.640
rings true because if you again go look at the

616
00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:21.720
photos in his bedroom photo, you can see on his

617
00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:25.880
chest of drawers that he's got some marvel looking characters

618
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.000
on his dresser drawer, as well as in the kitchen

619
00:33:29.079 --> 00:33:32.759
photos you can see stacks of comic books in their

620
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:36.160
sleeves and in their covers on the kitchen table. So

621
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:38.680
Joe really gave everything he had to investigators, and when

622
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:41.240
they were able to rule him out, which by the way,

623
00:33:41.240 --> 00:33:44.079
they were able to do because he had negative gunshot

624
00:33:44.119 --> 00:33:46.839
residue on his hands and on his clothing, there's no

625
00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:49.079
way that he could have shot him and that happened

626
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.200
and make that phone call in the amount of time

627
00:33:51.200 --> 00:33:53.480
that he did, like and you know, change clothes or something.

628
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:57.799
So Joe was eliminated as well as roommate Roberts. There

629
00:33:57.880 --> 00:34:01.519
was nothing to indicate they had pulled the trigger. So

630
00:34:01.759 --> 00:34:03.359
they asked, Joe, can you give me a list of

631
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:08.280
people that you would consider Jonathan's closest friends, adding that

632
00:34:08.400 --> 00:34:15.480
Jonathan was single. He gave the list of friends. So

633
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.480
and there's no crazy girlfriend or something to look out

634
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:20.719
or look for. And I know a lot of us

635
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:24.000
were probably wondering about that, but there wasn't a woman. Now.

636
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:26.039
One of the saddest things to do with this case.

637
00:34:26.239 --> 00:34:28.440
And y'all know that these victims matter to me and

638
00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.039
they're the reason we tell the story. We can learn

639
00:34:31.039 --> 00:34:34.000
from them. But one of the saddest things about this case,

640
00:34:34.119 --> 00:34:38.320
other than Jonathan losing his life, was when another call

641
00:34:39.159 --> 00:34:43.519
the next day came into a recorded sheriff's office line.

642
00:34:44.079 --> 00:34:46.800
Was the next morning after Jonathan was murdered. And I

643
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:49.360
want you to take a listen to this call Spaver kind.

644
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:50.440
Of communications, Kim speaking.

645
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:57.320
Yes, good morning. My name is John Cheryl, c HDRL.

646
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:00.440
And at one o'clock this morning, I received a phone

647
00:35:00.480 --> 00:35:05.320
call that my son had to be shot in. Can

648
00:35:05.360 --> 00:35:08.119
anybody confirm that we've heard nothing from anyone?

649
00:35:08.639 --> 00:35:11.360
Okay, well, you know your son b address.

650
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:19.719
His address would be for you, thirty nine Pine Pine

651
00:35:19.800 --> 00:35:20.719
Crest Road.

652
00:35:20.559 --> 00:35:23.400
I think in And what's your son's name?

653
00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:29.000
Jonathan J O H N H T H A N

654
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.719
Okay and the design H E.

655
00:35:31.880 --> 00:35:35.039
R O L Okay sir, I will have an officer

656
00:35:35.039 --> 00:35:36.840
to give you a phone call and they'll be.

657
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:39.159
Able to give you any sort of information that you

658
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:39.559
might need.

659
00:35:39.599 --> 00:35:43.920
Okay, keep in line available, So from a block doors

660
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:44.920
you can never you welcome.

661
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:51.360
While there was no screaming or hollering or like direct

662
00:35:51.599 --> 00:35:54.760
trauma happening in that call, I find that to be

663
00:35:54.800 --> 00:35:58.599
one of the most gut wrenching calls to receive. You've

664
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:03.159
got a daddy because he's heard something may have happened

665
00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:05.480
to his son, and he's not able to get in

666
00:36:05.519 --> 00:36:08.719
touch with him, and the police now have one of

667
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:14.679
the worst situations because dispatch relays to them, Hey, this

668
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:18.400
dead guy's dad just called, and the detectives have to

669
00:36:18.440 --> 00:36:21.559
turn around and make that horrendous notification to his parents

670
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:24.599
that not only a yes was their son shot, but

671
00:36:24.679 --> 00:36:29.039
he was in fact dead and one of Jonathan's friends

672
00:36:29.039 --> 00:36:32.199
and a former roommate of his before Roberts. His name

673
00:36:32.239 --> 00:36:35.199
was Drew Franklin. By the way, I did reach out

674
00:36:35.239 --> 00:36:37.920
to Drew. If he does get back with me, I'm

675
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.960
gonna share that with you. But he was noted as

676
00:36:41.960 --> 00:36:47.039
saying that Jonathan's parents were usually the happiest people. They

677
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:49.320
were so nice to be around. They were those parents

678
00:36:49.320 --> 00:36:52.440
that you wanted to be around. But after they received

679
00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.800
that devastating news that Jonathan had been murdered, he said,

680
00:36:55.880 --> 00:37:00.320
you saw that fade, and they became heartbroken, beyond pair.

681
00:37:01.280 --> 00:37:03.920
And this is just another point to the fact that

682
00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:08.000
victimology is not necessarily just the person who is victimized.

683
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.920
It's that ripple effect that goes way far out and

684
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:14.559
you can't blame them. And I feel like they deserve

685
00:37:14.679 --> 00:37:18.199
grace and they deserve room. Their baby boy was murdered,

686
00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:20.320
and I'm not sure if I would have room for

687
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:23.320
joy in my own life if I was ever given

688
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:28.679
that phone call. And this is so under discussed as

689
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:33.159
part of the job for law enforcement. It should never

690
00:37:33.280 --> 00:37:36.400
become robotic or routine to just have to go say, hey,

691
00:37:36.440 --> 00:37:40.599
your kid was murdered. And anyone I know that's had

692
00:37:40.599 --> 00:37:43.159
to go do a death notification tells me that it

693
00:37:43.239 --> 00:37:47.159
sticks with you. It doesn't go away, both the victims

694
00:37:48.000 --> 00:37:50.320
and they're you know, the victims' families, and then the

695
00:37:50.440 --> 00:37:52.599
law enforcement who are now tied to these people for

696
00:37:52.639 --> 00:37:55.239
the rest of their lives. It sticks with all of

697
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:59.519
them and it doesn't go away. So within a day

698
00:38:00.320 --> 00:38:03.280
detectives that had gone to look for that surveillance footage

699
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:05.440
were able to get a hold of it, and it

700
00:38:05.480 --> 00:38:08.960
turns out that the cameras actually covered a lot more

701
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.880
than they thought. They had all of the entrances to

702
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.280
the neighborhood as well as all of the exits to

703
00:38:14.320 --> 00:38:16.159
the neighborhood, and then they had the camera that pointed

704
00:38:16.199 --> 00:38:20.400
at Jonathan's house. This included an additional camera that was

705
00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:24.159
set up in the community pool area. So, as luck

706
00:38:24.199 --> 00:38:28.199
would have it, it was angled perfectly at the roadway

707
00:38:28.320 --> 00:38:32.360
in front of Jonathan's house, but you could barely see,

708
00:38:32.960 --> 00:38:35.639
Like the angle was perfect, but you could barely see

709
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.800
the edge of his yard. So you know how they

710
00:38:38.840 --> 00:38:41.960
say football is a game of inches, Well, in this case,

711
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:44.800
so is detective work, because they only had a couple

712
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:48.800
inches to work with. Now, while you're unable to see

713
00:38:48.880 --> 00:38:52.400
Jonathan's full front yard, you are able to see just

714
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.639
enough to make out his mailbox and like I said,

715
00:38:55.639 --> 00:39:00.000
a few inches of his yard. About fifteen minutes before

716
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:03.320
where Jonathan was murdered. You can watch a video of

717
00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:09.119
a dark colored sedan driving past Jonathan's house. And then

718
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:12.280
I'm gonna say make the loop, But what I'm saying

719
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.400
is there's like a square if you'll think of that,

720
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.719
with Jonathan's house in the center of it. If you

721
00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:19.519
go past Jonathan's house, you're gonna come to a stop.

722
00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:23.159
You'll take a left. It's Master's Way, then you take

723
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:25.800
another left and then another and then you're back at

724
00:39:25.880 --> 00:39:29.719
Jonathan's house. So you can watch the dark colored sedan

725
00:39:29.880 --> 00:39:33.880
drive past Jonathan's house make that loop, including turning onto

726
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:39.800
that Master's Way and then exit. So comparing views from

727
00:39:39.920 --> 00:39:43.039
all of the surveillance cameras, detectives are able to put

728
00:39:43.079 --> 00:39:46.599
together the exact timing and route that this vehicle took,

729
00:39:46.880 --> 00:39:49.519
and it shows that it literally made a full circle

730
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:52.480
or a full square and ended back at Jonathan's house.

731
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:57.199
So detectives thought it was kind of strange too, because

732
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.360
the vehicle had stopped at the intersection of Pine and

733
00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:06.960
Master's Way for roughly twenty three seconds before it completed

734
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:11.519
the loop. Now, I've stopped at stop signs for a

735
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:15.039
couple of seconds, you know, with traffic or whatever. So

736
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:19.280
while that may seem insignificant to the layman, what it's

737
00:40:19.280 --> 00:40:21.840
a totality of circumstance here that made it so strange.

738
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.920
The time of night number one. Right, it's late mixed

739
00:40:25.960 --> 00:40:28.480
with the fact there is zero traffic, not a little,

740
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:32.960
not some, there is zero traffic. So it's just kind

741
00:40:33.000 --> 00:40:37.199
of curious that the car would stop for nearly half

742
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:41.000
a minute at that intersection in conjunction with the fact

743
00:40:41.039 --> 00:40:45.079
that a murder was taking place. So after the pause,

744
00:40:45.559 --> 00:40:48.239
the vehicle makes the turn, and once the vehicle makes

745
00:40:48.280 --> 00:40:52.280
the turn, boom. That is when the first nine to

746
00:40:52.280 --> 00:40:56.440
one one phone call was made. Jonathan's story of the

747
00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.400
mystery woman with the car trouble was also kind of

748
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:03.599
proven to be true here because on that video at

749
00:41:03.599 --> 00:41:08.239
ten point fifty two PM before the shooting, you can

750
00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:13.400
see that vehicle pull into Jonathan's driveway. While you can't

751
00:41:13.400 --> 00:41:16.559
see what's happening, okay, but again this is before the shooting.

752
00:41:16.880 --> 00:41:18.880
You can't see what's happening when that car turns in,

753
00:41:18.960 --> 00:41:21.519
but what you do see and I have some still

754
00:41:21.559 --> 00:41:23.320
shots for you so you can kind of see it.

755
00:41:23.719 --> 00:41:27.559
But you can see Jonathan's beloved dog, the one that's

756
00:41:27.599 --> 00:41:31.000
on his Facebook come shooting out of the house into

757
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:35.559
the street and then its it finishes crossing the street

758
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:37.639
stops at like a stop sign or a poll I

759
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:39.960
can't quite remember what it is for a brief second,

760
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:42.480
and then the dog looks back at the house. And

761
00:41:42.519 --> 00:41:45.280
then a few seconds later you see Jonathan in his

762
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:49.679
bathrobe coming after the dog, but the dog kind of

763
00:41:49.719 --> 00:41:53.000
retreats as he's running towards the dog. And then a

764
00:41:53.000 --> 00:41:56.519
few seconds later, Jonathan steps out of the frame, but

765
00:41:56.599 --> 00:42:00.639
then you see the glimpse of a slender woman step

766
00:42:00.679 --> 00:42:05.360
into frame, call the dog, and the dog runs straight

767
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:08.519
back to her. So, I mean, this is Jonathan's dog.

768
00:42:09.039 --> 00:42:10.960
It doesn't run to him, but it does run back

769
00:42:11.000 --> 00:42:14.320
to the woman. And then you can see the dog,

770
00:42:14.679 --> 00:42:17.760
the woman, and Jonathan all together just for a brief

771
00:42:17.800 --> 00:42:22.159
second before they go back off camera. Considering how they

772
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:25.159
were interacting with each other, even just in those few seconds,

773
00:42:25.760 --> 00:42:29.760
it wasn't very convincing that this would be some random stranger,

774
00:42:29.840 --> 00:42:34.360
that just the body language was different, and so police

775
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:37.280
felt like they knew one another and that it wasn't

776
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:43.159
a random woman with car trouble. So not only that

777
00:42:44.960 --> 00:42:49.039
she wasn't there for just a few minutes either, because

778
00:42:49.039 --> 00:42:51.119
from the time that she shows up and the time

779
00:42:51.159 --> 00:42:54.159
that she backs out of the driveway, it's a total

780
00:42:54.400 --> 00:42:59.840
of about an hour, all right, so timeline here has

781
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.679
got to kind of be fixed a little bit. So

782
00:43:01.760 --> 00:43:04.000
detectives were able to make out the license plate of

783
00:43:04.039 --> 00:43:10.519
the vehicle, which was KSW nine three one, and they

784
00:43:10.599 --> 00:43:14.000
immediately ran those plates to see who the owner was

785
00:43:14.039 --> 00:43:16.440
and see if maybe they could identify this mystery woman,

786
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:20.159
and the plates came back to a Toyota Camry which

787
00:43:20.199 --> 00:43:24.639
belonged to Collette Collins, who lived on Buck Point Road.

788
00:43:26.039 --> 00:43:28.039
Detectives said, well, I guess it's time to go have

789
00:43:28.039 --> 00:43:30.320
this a little chat with Collette. Let's go see if

790
00:43:30.320 --> 00:43:33.320
maybe she knows something. And wouldn't you know it that

791
00:43:33.400 --> 00:43:35.639
her car was very similar when they pull up to

792
00:43:35.679 --> 00:43:39.159
the house to the car that was circling that neighborhood

793
00:43:39.920 --> 00:43:44.960
right before Jonathan was murdered. In the meantime, detectives took

794
00:43:44.960 --> 00:43:47.880
a close look at Jonathan's cell phone, which, if you remember,

795
00:43:47.960 --> 00:43:50.079
was still in his lap at the moment he was murdered,

796
00:43:50.599 --> 00:43:52.480
and it seemed and I have a photo of that too,

797
00:43:52.559 --> 00:43:55.119
so you can see it kind of in time I say,

798
00:43:55.159 --> 00:43:57.760
live time of the investigation, and it seemed that he

799
00:43:57.880 --> 00:44:00.719
was texting a friend and when they ran the number,

800
00:44:00.760 --> 00:44:04.039
they found that this was a guy named Josh. Jonathan

801
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.400
had received a text that said, and this is a

802
00:44:06.400 --> 00:44:10.199
direct quote, shoot his ass. I don't give a fuck anymore.

803
00:44:11.639 --> 00:44:15.159
And Jonathan was in the middle of responding to that

804
00:44:15.360 --> 00:44:21.280
message and had typed out the sentence why what happened?

805
00:44:22.079 --> 00:44:25.199
But he never got the chance to send that message.

806
00:44:25.800 --> 00:44:27.559
You can go see it. It's not sent, but it's

807
00:44:27.559 --> 00:44:31.800
typed out. Go look on Patreon. So obviously this is

808
00:44:32.199 --> 00:44:35.320
this is concerning because a shooting had happened. So Josh

809
00:44:35.679 --> 00:44:38.280
was brought into the police department and they wanted to

810
00:44:38.280 --> 00:44:40.079
ask him some questions. Now, I want to tell you

811
00:44:40.320 --> 00:44:43.639
about Josh real quick. Josh is a big old boy,

812
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.480
and I'm talking big think like Jelly roll. Okay. He

813
00:44:46.559 --> 00:44:48.639
a big fella, and I want you to know he

814
00:44:49.639 --> 00:44:52.920
wears his hat backwards, he's got a beard. This is

815
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:56.599
not a geeky fella. Okay. He's a big, burly type guy.

816
00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.719
And not being judgmental, just being observant. I want to

817
00:45:01.760 --> 00:45:08.480
tell you that Josh has an air of maybe not

818
00:45:08.719 --> 00:45:14.000
being so clean cut. Is it possible that this guy

819
00:45:14.079 --> 00:45:17.320
may have been up to no good? So they asked him,

820
00:45:17.760 --> 00:45:20.840
how do you know, Jonathan? And he explains, look, you

821
00:45:20.840 --> 00:45:23.400
know I met him drinking in the bar which the bars. Remember,

822
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:26.239
he Jonathan opened bars and they both found that they

823
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:29.079
shared a love for comic books. So he added, look,

824
00:45:29.159 --> 00:45:32.119
Jonathan was a collector of comics, and he said, dude,

825
00:45:32.159 --> 00:45:35.000
he probably has like twenty grand worth of comic books.

826
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.119
I mean, he's very invested in this, you know, comic

827
00:45:38.119 --> 00:45:42.920
book world. And he also echoed the same sentiment as

828
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.800
Joe Ruby and that Jonathan had been in a very

829
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.039
bad place because of the failure of the Sipping Cow,

830
00:45:48.559 --> 00:45:51.079
and that he was just trying to encourage Jonathan brought,

831
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:53.079
you know, you can do better. Life is going to

832
00:45:53.159 --> 00:45:55.360
go on. Why don't you just start a comic book store.

833
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:57.239
You could probably sell these on eBay. You can make

834
00:45:57.280 --> 00:46:00.159
some money, and it's something that you really like. And

835
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:02.559
so they say, okay, well, you know what were you

836
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.760
with him the day that he was killed, And he said, yeah, absolutely,

837
00:46:04.800 --> 00:46:08.119
he said, matter of fact, we went to the store,

838
00:46:08.239 --> 00:46:10.840
I got some cigarettes, we went by the bank, and

839
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.800
then he was very specific when we got back to

840
00:46:13.840 --> 00:46:16.880
his house. He said that we looked at some comic books,

841
00:46:17.199 --> 00:46:20.280
we watched Guardian of the Galaxy, and then we played

842
00:46:20.280 --> 00:46:23.480
some Halo five. So he had some very specific things

843
00:46:23.519 --> 00:46:27.239
that he says that they did, and sure enough, that

844
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:30.760
seems to check out. When asked, well, then why did

845
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:32.800
you leave? What was the reason that you got up

846
00:46:32.840 --> 00:46:34.079
and you left the house, and he said, well, my

847
00:46:34.119 --> 00:46:35.960
girl and I share a car and she needed it

848
00:46:36.000 --> 00:46:38.519
to go get groceries for our kid, and so I

849
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:42.480
left between I guess five and seven o'clock. Now for

850
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:44.800
your notes too, because you are a detective with me,

851
00:46:45.679 --> 00:46:47.920
I'll tell you that he drove a Dodge Durango and

852
00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.079
his vehicle was never seen in camera or anything like

853
00:46:51.119 --> 00:46:55.760
that during this murder. They asked about Jonathan's temperament when

854
00:46:55.760 --> 00:46:57.280
he was there, and he said, look, he had been

855
00:46:57.320 --> 00:46:59.639
in really good spirits. The last time I spoke to

856
00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.480
him was I had left, but I talked to him

857
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:05.519
on the phone. We were chit chatting for a minute,

858
00:47:05.519 --> 00:47:08.840
and then he said, hey, I gotta go. Joe Ruby

859
00:47:08.920 --> 00:47:10.639
is here, and then they hung up the phone, and

860
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:12.239
then the rest. You already know what happened for the

861
00:47:12.239 --> 00:47:17.000
rest of the evening. He also added that Jonathan had

862
00:47:17.039 --> 00:47:19.559
also been a little bit upset with his roommate Roberts

863
00:47:20.039 --> 00:47:23.159
because again back to the whole sipping cow thing, it

864
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.719
turns out Roberts was a lawyer, and Jonathan felt like

865
00:47:26.760 --> 00:47:29.039
they shouldn't have been duped by this Christy girl. This

866
00:47:29.039 --> 00:47:32.239
should have been better vetted, and this whole situation, you know,

867
00:47:32.480 --> 00:47:34.400
you should have been a better attorney and looked at

868
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:36.000
all the ins and outs of this. So there was

869
00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:38.800
a little bit of a of a disagreement there. This

870
00:47:38.960 --> 00:47:42.920
was new to detectives, and this was when something else

871
00:47:43.000 --> 00:47:46.400
came on the radar that was completely new to police,

872
00:47:46.920 --> 00:47:50.719
and that was going to be real drug abuse. And

873
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.400
when I say real drug abuse, I know we already

874
00:47:52.400 --> 00:47:54.519
talked about the fact that there was a pipe, you know,

875
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:57.079
a weed pipe or whatever on the table. I'm talking

876
00:47:57.119 --> 00:48:02.880
about heavier drug use. Sure they were smoking weed, but

877
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:06.519
you know, now it was being brought to the table

878
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:11.639
that Jonathan was really actually abusing prescription drugs and that

879
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:13.079
a lot of friends kind of felt like it had

880
00:48:13.079 --> 00:48:16.440
gotten out of control for him. And you know, he

881
00:48:16.559 --> 00:48:19.159
goes on to say, look, he had a prescription for Xenex,

882
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:22.639
and everybody knew that he already had one, but after

883
00:48:22.679 --> 00:48:25.920
the failing of the sipping cow, he got in way

884
00:48:25.960 --> 00:48:30.719
over his head and Josh believed that this had something

885
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:34.000
to do with Jonathan possibly owing a lot of money

886
00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:39.039
to someone in relation to the drug usage. So Josh

887
00:48:39.039 --> 00:48:42.800
has opened a ton of stuff here up. And while

888
00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:46.800
this may seem just like an opinion, it kind of

889
00:48:46.840 --> 00:48:50.079
became clear that Josh seemed to know even more about

890
00:48:50.079 --> 00:48:55.519
something else, but it wasn't He wasn't quite sharing it specifically.

891
00:48:55.920 --> 00:48:58.559
He said that he mentioned at one point in the

892
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.519
interrogation something about a term, and what do you think

893
00:49:01.559 --> 00:49:03.519
about whenever you think about a turf war? I know

894
00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:05.760
what I think of. It's drug turf you know what

895
00:49:05.800 --> 00:49:08.280
I'm saying, Like, we don't have turf war over the

896
00:49:08.440 --> 00:49:11.239
LSU versus the Saints or something. You know, it's turf

897
00:49:11.280 --> 00:49:15.320
war means that you're encroaching on my territory. I mean, hell,

898
00:49:15.440 --> 00:49:17.079
we all know. That's why everybody shooting each other up

899
00:49:17.119 --> 00:49:19.760
in the frickin hood. They're fighting over territory to sell

900
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:22.039
their dope. They're not shooting each other over you know,

901
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:26.480
a church pew. So, asking more specifics about what he

902
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:30.400
meant by this turf war, Josh said that a new

903
00:49:30.440 --> 00:49:34.000
dealer had come into town and that the regular dealers

904
00:49:34.119 --> 00:49:37.400
weren't able to compete with the lower pricing, and that

905
00:49:37.800 --> 00:49:40.719
somehow he felt like Jonathan may have been involved in

906
00:49:40.800 --> 00:49:46.280
this whole dope uproar and pricing structure issue. Curious about

907
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.800
more of because obviously Josh knew something. The police are like, look, man,

908
00:49:49.960 --> 00:49:52.639
can you explain like a little bit more, maybe give

909
00:49:52.719 --> 00:49:55.199
us a little bit more detail, And Josh says, look,

910
00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.079
it doesn't really matter. It's just word on the street.

911
00:49:57.079 --> 00:49:58.599
I don't have proof of anything I'm saying, and I

912
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:00.920
don't want to say something that's not true. But police

913
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:04.599
encouraged him, Broh, talk talk to us, even if it's hearsay,

914
00:50:04.840 --> 00:50:07.440
even if what you're saying isn't completely true, we can

915
00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:11.719
still investigate that and possibly solve the murder of your friend.

916
00:50:12.880 --> 00:50:16.239
And Josh looks at him and he asks his own question.

917
00:50:17.039 --> 00:50:22.480
He says, was Jonathan killed with a shotgun? And the

918
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:27.119
detective says it's really possible, And then Josh says, did

919
00:50:27.119 --> 00:50:29.960
it happen in the front yard or the backyard? And

920
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.360
the detective answers openly the backyard. So Josh kind of

921
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:36.440
sits there for a second and you can tell that

922
00:50:36.519 --> 00:50:42.599
he's thinking, and he says to the detective, I mean,

923
00:50:42.639 --> 00:50:45.440
you've really never heard anything about what went down on

924
00:50:45.480 --> 00:50:48.440
buck Point Road, Like, really, you're the police and you

925
00:50:48.480 --> 00:50:51.559
don't know what's going down on buck Point Road. And

926
00:50:51.719 --> 00:50:55.519
that's when the detectives realized there's a lot missing here,

927
00:50:56.039 --> 00:51:00.400
and they genuinely were lost. They had no They seriously

928
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:02.679
did not know anything about buck Point Road. They weren't

929
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:05.719
faking that they didn't know. They did not know. And

930
00:51:05.760 --> 00:51:08.480
so Josh, in his own words, I'm gonna let you

931
00:51:08.559 --> 00:51:12.920
hear him explain what supposedly happened on buck Point Road,

932
00:51:13.519 --> 00:51:15.039
and I'm gonna let you hear that portion of the

933
00:51:15.079 --> 00:51:16.440
interview in his own words.

934
00:51:16.760 --> 00:51:22.320
Supposedly the story was that John gaves some guys an

935
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:26.199
information about somebody who lived down there. Some of those

936
00:51:26.239 --> 00:51:34.599
guys tried to hit Manhattan and I heard shots were fired.

937
00:51:34.639 --> 00:51:38.000
I heard shots were fired or they tried to break

938
00:51:38.079 --> 00:51:39.079
into his house.

939
00:51:39.840 --> 00:51:44.079
And then.

940
00:51:44.199 --> 00:51:46.719
And if those guys tried to take out this guy,

941
00:51:47.039 --> 00:51:50.159
John was indeed blue money, he goes. I heard those

942
00:51:50.199 --> 00:51:53.480
guys a shotguns when they went after and that's why

943
00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:56.440
I asked, will you hit with a shotgun? Wasn't in

944
00:51:56.519 --> 00:52:01.239
the back, and they basically shrove the guy. What I

945
00:52:01.480 --> 00:52:04.320
was told in saying by running around, you know, way

946
00:52:04.639 --> 00:52:10.239
sneaking onto this drop. Yeah, I'm friends with Yes, I

947
00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:15.039
know him our kids. You point, yeah, what's his name?

948
00:52:16.599 --> 00:52:22.039
I well, I heard that he's body saw some assuming

949
00:52:22.119 --> 00:52:24.119
fire songs and he's fired back.

950
00:52:25.079 --> 00:52:27.800
So, based on what Josh is saying, it's kind of

951
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.480
starting a new theory here that maybe the same guys

952
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:36.199
that had something going on down on buck Point Road

953
00:52:37.679 --> 00:52:42.559
maybe put out a hit on Jonathan as well, if

954
00:52:42.559 --> 00:52:47.760
it's all related. So when Josh is asked if he

955
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:50.079
knew the guy, he said, yeah, I know who the

956
00:52:50.079 --> 00:52:52.639
guy is. His name is Seth well Ding ding Ding.

957
00:52:52.719 --> 00:52:55.440
Didn't we hear Joe Ruby talk about a Seth being

958
00:52:55.440 --> 00:53:00.119
a dealer? So hearsay or not, the information does does

959
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.679
seem to align with the information received from other people.

960
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.079
Not to mention that Buck Point Road is the same

961
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:09.400
road if you remember that was listed as Collette's residents

962
00:53:09.920 --> 00:53:13.519
when they pulled records on her car. And I always

963
00:53:13.519 --> 00:53:16.960
say this, I don't believe in coincidences. Maybe you're feeling

964
00:53:16.960 --> 00:53:21.320
that way as well, because guess what, it turns out

965
00:53:21.679 --> 00:53:28.679
that Seth is married to Collette. Won't boom boom, right,

966
00:53:28.920 --> 00:53:34.039
we got some shit going on here now, supposedly, Seth

967
00:53:34.119 --> 00:53:37.559
says that he got shot at and then he fired

968
00:53:37.679 --> 00:53:42.760
back at these guys, and basically there was this whole shootout.

969
00:53:43.599 --> 00:53:47.079
But Josh, you know, Seth had said that to Josh,

970
00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:50.400
But Josh was skeptical about it, because how in the

971
00:53:50.480 --> 00:53:52.800
hell would all of these gunshots be going off and

972
00:53:52.880 --> 00:53:54.559
all this stuff be going down on this road and

973
00:53:54.599 --> 00:53:56.960
the police not know about it. That's why Josh didn't

974
00:53:56.960 --> 00:53:58.400
really want to put a lot of credence to what

975
00:53:58.440 --> 00:54:03.280
Seth was telling him. But don't get it twisted. Josh

976
00:54:03.320 --> 00:54:06.800
said that Seth was really afraid that someone was really

977
00:54:06.840 --> 00:54:09.280
trying to kill him, and Josh had known Seth for

978
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:11.800
a little over a year, so Seth had asked Josh, hey,

979
00:54:11.840 --> 00:54:14.239
will you come walk my property for me and just

980
00:54:14.280 --> 00:54:17.559
help me make sure that nobody was on it. So Josh,

981
00:54:17.559 --> 00:54:19.960
by the way, he was closer to Jonathan than Seth,

982
00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:24.480
but that didn't stop Seth from vocalizing the fact that

983
00:54:24.559 --> 00:54:29.039
he thought Jonathan was behind the shooting at his home either.

984
00:54:29.119 --> 00:54:30.599
So I hope you're following all of this. There's a

985
00:54:30.639 --> 00:54:35.679
lot of players involved. He then came to the conclusion

986
00:54:36.960 --> 00:54:40.159
because he said Jonathan had been in his house right

987
00:54:40.199 --> 00:54:43.639
before the shooting, and that Jonathan was acting really strange

988
00:54:43.639 --> 00:54:46.840
and really sweaty, almost as if he was nervous, and

989
00:54:46.880 --> 00:54:50.159
that Jonathan had gotten up right before the shooting took

990
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:55.000
place and had left. You know, Seth really felt like

991
00:54:55.039 --> 00:54:59.519
maybe Jonathan was behind that setup at the home. But

992
00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:03.679
Josh mentioned that Seth walked with a cane because he

993
00:55:03.840 --> 00:55:07.800
was all busted up from being shot. So as most

994
00:55:07.840 --> 00:55:12.480
people would think, okay, I thought, you know, he's been

995
00:55:12.480 --> 00:55:15.079
shot during that home invasion. We've been discussing this whole time,

996
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:18.400
and that's whenever Josh says no, no, no, no, no.

997
00:55:18.599 --> 00:55:23.239
Seth was shot in another incident, another shooting incident that

998
00:55:23.320 --> 00:55:27.480
went down. He said, you know, after that shooting and

999
00:55:27.519 --> 00:55:30.079
when Seth got hurt, he became a shell of his

1000
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:32.480
former self. He was always in a lot of pain

1001
00:55:32.559 --> 00:55:34.639
and he was always taking a lot of pain medication.

1002
00:55:35.280 --> 00:55:38.559
I eat pills. So as far as employment went, if

1003
00:55:38.559 --> 00:55:40.239
you're curious about this Seth guy, he had been a

1004
00:55:40.440 --> 00:55:43.800
landscaper before he got shot. His wife, Collette, worked as

1005
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:47.599
a waitress. So this was just a lot of information

1006
00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:49.960
that police were not aware of. First of all Buck

1007
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:52.000
Point Row drama and all the shootings that went down,

1008
00:55:52.559 --> 00:55:54.880
and so they say, all right, we're gonna go pay

1009
00:55:54.880 --> 00:55:57.840
a visit to Seth and Collette. And when they got

1010
00:55:57.880 --> 00:56:03.719
there again, remember that Toyota camera was in the driveway.

1011
00:56:04.599 --> 00:56:06.679
You may say, well, hey, there's a lot of Toyota camera's.

1012
00:56:06.719 --> 00:56:08.639
I mean, a defense attorney would tear that up. But

1013
00:56:08.800 --> 00:56:12.239
unfortunate for Collett was the fact that one of the

1014
00:56:12.280 --> 00:56:15.840
detectives was a car guy, and he had a very

1015
00:56:15.960 --> 00:56:19.239
keen eye, and he noticed something about that vehicle on

1016
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.280
the suspect video that I'm telling you now, I would

1017
00:56:23.360 --> 00:56:26.079
not have noticed, and I bet majority of people would

1018
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:28.000
not notice. And I've got photos for you to go

1019
00:56:28.039 --> 00:56:30.719
look at it in the grainy black and white video.

1020
00:56:30.800 --> 00:56:35.360
But one of the detective detectives noticed that one realm

1021
00:56:35.840 --> 00:56:38.599
did not match all of the others on the car. Now,

1022
00:56:38.639 --> 00:56:40.719
hold up, I know what you're saying, Kelly. We would

1023
00:56:40.760 --> 00:56:44.360
know if a rim didn't match. Uh ah. All of

1024
00:56:44.400 --> 00:56:48.400
the rems look exactly the same, but one of the realms,

1025
00:56:48.519 --> 00:56:52.320
only one had seven spokes while all of the others

1026
00:56:52.639 --> 00:56:56.440
had six. It's not this, captain obvious difference. You almost

1027
00:56:56.440 --> 00:56:58.679
would have to be paying attention to that exact thing

1028
00:56:58.719 --> 00:57:02.320
to pick it out. So kudos to the car guys

1029
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:04.800
out there. When they looked at that vehicle that was

1030
00:57:04.800 --> 00:57:09.159
similar outside of Collette's home, wouldn't you know one realm

1031
00:57:09.639 --> 00:57:13.679
didn't match? All right, So we're getting somewhere here. Police

1032
00:57:13.760 --> 00:57:16.159
knocked on the door and Collette answered, and they said, look,

1033
00:57:16.159 --> 00:57:17.880
we need you to come down to the station. We

1034
00:57:17.960 --> 00:57:23.320
have some questions for you. She readily agreed, never asking why.

1035
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:25.880
That to me is important. If someone doesn't ask you

1036
00:57:26.000 --> 00:57:28.320
why you're being brought down to the police station, I'm

1037
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:31.000
going to consider that a red flag. So when they

1038
00:57:31.039 --> 00:57:33.599
got there, they say, you know you're not curious as

1039
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:35.400
to why you're here, and she said, well, no, of

1040
00:57:35.440 --> 00:57:36.960
course I know why i'm here. And one of my

1041
00:57:37.000 --> 00:57:39.360
good friends was shot and killed, so I was just

1042
00:57:39.400 --> 00:57:44.480
assuming it was about that. Okay, maybe so all right,

1043
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.280
So I'm going to play you in audio here of her,

1044
00:57:47.960 --> 00:57:51.800
in her own words, being questioned, Listen to this.

1045
00:57:52.800 --> 00:57:53.480
I was there.

1046
00:57:54.199 --> 00:57:55.880
I know they're going to come talk to me, and

1047
00:57:56.280 --> 00:57:57.519
I've watched a lot of versions.

1048
00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.920
And whoever's the last person you go talk to? We

1049
00:58:02.079 --> 00:58:03.079
had gone.

1050
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:09.400
Really and we oh, Josh, I think he was there,

1051
00:58:09.920 --> 00:58:14.280
but I don't know who else from there or today

1052
00:58:14.440 --> 00:58:15.480
or dead.

1053
00:58:15.480 --> 00:58:20.199
Or really talk to Okay, did anyone else choke whenever

1054
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.280
they heard her say I watch a lot of First

1055
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.960
forty eight, Like what a weird ass thing to say

1056
00:58:24.960 --> 00:58:27.320
when you're being interrogated about a murder that went down.

1057
00:58:27.679 --> 00:58:30.440
But hey, I'm weird. Everybody's weird. We all have our

1058
00:58:30.480 --> 00:58:33.199
things right. But her basic statement was that she just

1059
00:58:33.239 --> 00:58:35.679
went to go check on Jonathan because she knew he

1060
00:58:35.719 --> 00:58:37.679
was going through a hard time and that he had

1061
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:40.119
been having some depression about the restaurant failing, and so

1062
00:58:41.039 --> 00:58:43.280
her thing was, look, I've been suicidal in the past

1063
00:58:43.280 --> 00:58:47.159
before I recognized that, she said, I even had suicidal attempts,

1064
00:58:47.480 --> 00:58:49.440
and so she just wanted to make sure that he

1065
00:58:49.559 --> 00:58:52.119
was okay, and she even laughs at one point, she

1066
00:58:52.199 --> 00:58:54.840
kind of chuckles, and she says that it was funny

1067
00:58:54.840 --> 00:58:57.280
because when she got there, he had on a robe

1068
00:58:57.920 --> 00:59:00.400
and he had on a peel mask like on his face,

1069
00:59:00.639 --> 00:59:05.239
you know, appeel mask, And obviously Jonathan wasn't expecting her

1070
00:59:05.239 --> 00:59:06.599
to come by. I don't think you would have answered

1071
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.119
the door like that. So she just wanted to stop

1072
00:59:09.119 --> 00:59:10.480
buy and check on him because he had been so

1073
00:59:10.599 --> 00:59:13.760
down lately, and she did not call first, and that's

1074
00:59:13.760 --> 00:59:16.639
probably why he was surprised. So what exactly was their

1075
00:59:16.800 --> 00:59:21.719
relationship then and how close were they? And so she explained, Hey,

1076
00:59:21.840 --> 00:59:24.559
I met him at Pepper's. That was the remember the

1077
00:59:24.559 --> 00:59:27.400
restaurant bar, because me and my husband used to go

1078
00:59:27.400 --> 00:59:31.400
there a lot, and he backed the bar and we

1079
00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:34.559
clicked as friends. We really got along, she says, you know,

1080
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:37.840
matter of fact. I mean, his birthday is two months

1081
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:40.679
and nine days away from mine. I mean, we just

1082
00:59:41.039 --> 00:59:43.920
know a lot about each other and we're friends. But

1083
00:59:43.960 --> 00:59:48.880
then the line of questioning starts about her husband and Jonathan.

1084
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:53.800
How was their friendship friendship? And the answer here to

1085
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.039
me is a little eyebrow.

1086
00:59:55.760 --> 01:00:03.760
Raising the relationship. Yeah, I mean at first they were

1087
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:06.960
better friends than he and I were. And then I

1088
01:00:06.960 --> 01:00:11.039
don't know if my husband started to get jealous him

1089
01:00:11.320 --> 01:00:14.800
and I like, you know, needed to jealous, but I

1090
01:00:14.880 --> 01:00:17.280
was like okay, and he didn't know, I want to

1091
01:00:17.280 --> 01:00:21.280
over there that night. How I don't want him to

1092
01:00:21.280 --> 01:00:24.960
get up that with me. You're going over there, you know,

1093
01:00:25.239 --> 01:00:29.840
And nothing into happened, Nothing injouent happened.

1094
01:00:29.960 --> 01:00:31.800
We hugged a thing twice.

1095
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:35.719
We never really talked about having we blurted, but it

1096
01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:40.599
never when you are Majel throwing me out.

1097
01:00:40.719 --> 01:00:42.119
It was a very decade.

1098
01:00:42.719 --> 01:00:46.760
She was going by another man's house that her husband

1099
01:00:46.960 --> 01:00:52.199
wasn't aware of that and he was jealous of and

1100
01:00:52.760 --> 01:00:55.679
your husband didn't like that relationship, but you continued to

1101
01:00:55.719 --> 01:01:00.440
do it anyway, right, doesn't sound too loyal to your husband.

1102
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:04.320
But either way, what she was saying was lining up

1103
01:01:04.400 --> 01:01:06.639
with what was seen on surveillance camera. Call it said

1104
01:01:06.639 --> 01:01:09.320
she pulled in. They never went inside. They just talked

1105
01:01:09.360 --> 01:01:11.440
about kind of like the direction of his life, the

1106
01:01:11.519 --> 01:01:14.719
failing restaurant, and she was pumping him up, saying, look,

1107
01:01:14.760 --> 01:01:17.280
you're a strong guy. You've got a lot of support

1108
01:01:17.280 --> 01:01:20.079
from your parents, and you can do anything you want

1109
01:01:20.079 --> 01:01:21.880
to if you set your mind to it. And she

1110
01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:24.719
said they also kind of touched on his drug usage

1111
01:01:24.760 --> 01:01:27.320
and she was concerned for him that he kept saying

1112
01:01:28.840 --> 01:01:32.559
that he had money problems or like he owed money

1113
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:35.840
to people and it was the people that he was

1114
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:41.239
getting pills from. Even more, she said that after she

1115
01:01:41.360 --> 01:01:43.440
left his house that she went and bought two bottles

1116
01:01:43.440 --> 01:01:45.679
of Pinot noir and that she didn't want to go

1117
01:01:45.719 --> 01:01:47.760
home and drink it because her husband had just made

1118
01:01:47.760 --> 01:01:50.159
a year sober. I think it was like September first,

1119
01:01:50.719 --> 01:01:54.599
and so she drove around drinking the wine so that

1120
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:57.239
she wouldn't have to put her husband around it. And

1121
01:01:57.320 --> 01:01:59.400
when asked, okay, well where all did you drive to

1122
01:01:59.760 --> 01:02:02.320
when whenever you were drinking the wine it seemed to

1123
01:02:02.360 --> 01:02:05.639
coincide with what the video surveillance was showing. So take

1124
01:02:05.679 --> 01:02:06.400
a listen here.

1125
01:02:07.119 --> 01:02:09.800
So I kind of rode around and drink on that

1126
01:02:09.840 --> 01:02:12.239
bottle of wine, and where did you write?

1127
01:02:12.239 --> 01:02:12.480
Around?

1128
01:02:12.559 --> 01:02:12.639
You?

1129
01:02:13.239 --> 01:02:15.559
A little bit of you know, just kind of stay

1130
01:02:15.599 --> 01:02:16.480
it closed to the.

1131
01:02:16.400 --> 01:02:24.199
Home, but forty eggs and the farm area and back

1132
01:02:24.559 --> 01:02:26.719
his neighbor, like I think it went back through there

1133
01:02:26.760 --> 01:02:27.960
maybe one time.

1134
01:02:28.480 --> 01:02:29.079
And then.

1135
01:02:31.639 --> 01:02:33.679
So detectives then just jumped straight to the chase and

1136
01:02:33.679 --> 01:02:36.559
they say, look, we know what happened at your house.

1137
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:39.199
She never had brought that up. Someone came in and

1138
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:41.880
they shot at your house, and she confirms it. Yep,

1139
01:02:41.920 --> 01:02:44.719
that happened. There were two shots and they didn't know

1140
01:02:45.199 --> 01:02:47.280
who did it. But word on the street was that

1141
01:02:47.360 --> 01:02:49.760
they had been set up somehow because someone said they

1142
01:02:49.760 --> 01:02:53.280
had money in their house but they didn't. So they say, well,

1143
01:02:53.360 --> 01:02:58.000
do you think you know that Jonathan or you may

1144
01:02:58.039 --> 01:02:59.559
have been the one that sets all up. And she

1145
01:03:00.239 --> 01:03:02.840
at it and she goes, that's ridiculous. He knows we

1146
01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:04.920
don't have any money. I mean, I'm a waitress, you know.

1147
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:09.000
And the detectives say, well, if he was really deep

1148
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:11.719
in this drug addiction and he owed money to people

1149
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:15.199
like you just said, what if he told people y'all

1150
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:18.280
had money and he could collect it the bad people

1151
01:03:18.280 --> 01:03:20.679
could collect it from your house, wouldn't that make sense?

1152
01:03:21.639 --> 01:03:23.440
And she kind of listens for a second and said, well,

1153
01:03:23.480 --> 01:03:24.960
you know, I never really thought of that because we

1154
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.400
always thought Jonathan had money. We didn't know he didn't

1155
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:33.079
have money. Even though she just said that she was

1156
01:03:33.119 --> 01:03:35.679
worried about him because of all of his debt, possibly

1157
01:03:35.760 --> 01:03:40.320
due to drugs. So the detective says, look, girl, you

1158
01:03:40.320 --> 01:03:43.039
know this is captain obvious. He was at your house.

1159
01:03:43.320 --> 01:03:45.960
We know he was acting squirrely. He left, and then

1160
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.719
all that shit went down at your house. Not to mention,

1161
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:52.119
we have Jonathan's phone records where he straight up says

1162
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.400
in a text message to your husband, Hey, my bad,

1163
01:03:55.960 --> 01:03:58.679
I messed up. I'm sorry. I should have you know,

1164
01:03:59.280 --> 01:04:02.679
not said that and sent people to your house. I'm

1165
01:04:02.760 --> 01:04:04.840
just in a really bad spot. I'm sorry, but don't

1166
01:04:04.840 --> 01:04:06.880
get mad at me. Please be mad at the people

1167
01:04:06.920 --> 01:04:10.199
that showed about your house. So Colleen then is like

1168
01:04:10.880 --> 01:04:14.800
flabbergasted by this, and she says, excuse me, I didn't

1169
01:04:14.800 --> 01:04:17.239
know Jonathan was behind anything that happened at my house.

1170
01:04:17.960 --> 01:04:21.559
They never we never discussed that. My husband never told

1171
01:04:21.559 --> 01:04:23.760
me that. And she says, we didn't. I didn't even

1172
01:04:23.800 --> 01:04:27.800
know my husband had like a gun. I didn't even

1173
01:04:27.840 --> 01:04:31.760
know that he was selling pills to people. Like all

1174
01:04:31.800 --> 01:04:34.519
these things were coming to light that detectives were cluing

1175
01:04:34.519 --> 01:04:37.119
her in on. But look, I wanna tell you something.

1176
01:04:38.039 --> 01:04:41.199
If someone busts up in my house and starts shooting

1177
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.559
at me and my husband, we anna talk about that, baby.

1178
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:46.800
We all talk about that shit till the day we die,

1179
01:04:47.000 --> 01:04:49.360
because we're gonna be shocked. We're gonna be curious as

1180
01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:51.639
to hell what happened, and we're gonna like be like,

1181
01:04:51.679 --> 01:04:55.639
holy hell till the day we die. So you're telling

1182
01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:58.280
me you care enough about your husband's well being that

1183
01:04:58.559 --> 01:05:00.719
you go and drink and drive to bottles of wine

1184
01:05:00.760 --> 01:05:03.000
or a bottle of wine, and that people in the

1185
01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.960
past shot up your house and started shooting, and you

1186
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:10.440
never discussed it. That dog don't hunt my friends. I

1187
01:05:10.440 --> 01:05:15.880
got a problem with that explanation. So detectives go further,

1188
01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.159
when was the last time you drove through the neighborhood?

1189
01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:22.039
And she gives a time that clearly is not accurate,

1190
01:05:23.159 --> 01:05:25.400
and they tell her, booboo, you're lying. We know you're

1191
01:05:25.440 --> 01:05:27.800
lying because we have security cameras that show your car

1192
01:05:27.920 --> 01:05:31.199
going in and coming out, and magically it's during the

1193
01:05:31.239 --> 01:05:35.280
time that Jonathan is murdered. And so there's obviously something

1194
01:05:35.360 --> 01:05:37.800
you're not telling us, and we want to know why,

1195
01:05:38.239 --> 01:05:42.360
like now, explain it to us. And that's when Collette

1196
01:05:42.360 --> 01:05:45.559
gets really nervous. She starts getting very worrisome and says

1197
01:05:45.719 --> 01:05:47.679
the dreaded words, do you think I need a lawyer?

1198
01:05:48.519 --> 01:05:51.039
And they say, well, you're not in trouble, do you

1199
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:52.960
think you need a lawyer? And so they take a

1200
01:05:52.960 --> 01:05:56.079
twenty minute break from the interrogation, and then they resume

1201
01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:00.519
back and it's a different detective this time that comes

1202
01:06:00.519 --> 01:06:02.559
in the room, but he's been observing from outside of

1203
01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:05.159
the room the whole time, and when he starts talking,

1204
01:06:05.760 --> 01:06:10.119
he tells her, do you understand that we have got

1205
01:06:10.480 --> 01:06:18.000
some shotgun shells, and whoever loaded those shotgun shells into

1206
01:06:18.039 --> 01:06:21.679
that gun and shot it, it's gonna have their DNA

1207
01:06:21.800 --> 01:06:24.679
on it. You do recognize that, right. Is there any

1208
01:06:24.719 --> 01:06:27.000
reason why your husband's DNA would be found on those

1209
01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:30.159
shotgun shells? And she says, I have no idea. And

1210
01:06:30.199 --> 01:06:32.000
they say, okay, was anyone else in the car with

1211
01:06:32.079 --> 01:06:36.000
you when you were driving through? And she says absolutely not.

1212
01:06:36.360 --> 01:06:39.960
She is adamant no one was with me. Nobody was

1213
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:42.039
in the car with me. And they say, well, it

1214
01:06:42.039 --> 01:06:43.800
sure does look like someone's in the car with you,

1215
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:46.800
and she says, no, I had my uniform from work hanging.

1216
01:06:47.159 --> 01:06:50.000
And the detective like scoffs and laughs at that. He's like, no, baby,

1217
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.159
there's definitely another person in the car with you. We

1218
01:06:52.239 --> 01:06:56.519
can see their face. So that's when she says, look,

1219
01:06:56.559 --> 01:06:58.480
if you're gonna act like I'm a suspect, then I

1220
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.519
want a lawyer. She lawyers up, and that's a rap.

1221
01:07:02.320 --> 01:07:05.440
Now her husband, remember the SETH guy. Turns out that's

1222
01:07:05.440 --> 01:07:08.599
not even his name. His real name, his government name,

1223
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:14.800
if you want to was sam Samuel Collins. So obviously

1224
01:07:15.880 --> 01:07:18.559
they wanted to question him, but he wouldn't show up.

1225
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:20.760
He didn't show up until the next morning, and police

1226
01:07:20.800 --> 01:07:22.599
were like, man, this has got to be tactical or

1227
01:07:22.599 --> 01:07:26.440
strategic or something. Obviously he stayed with Colette. They talked

1228
01:07:26.440 --> 01:07:28.400
about it to get their story straight, and now he

1229
01:07:28.440 --> 01:07:31.440
showed up for questioning. But either way, they asked him

1230
01:07:31.440 --> 01:07:33.519
some questions. How do you know him? We know him

1231
01:07:33.519 --> 01:07:36.239
from the bar, we became friends. They were like, well,

1232
01:07:36.280 --> 01:07:37.880
how good are friends? He's like good friends. A matter

1233
01:07:37.880 --> 01:07:39.840
of fact, I even loaned money to him in the past.

1234
01:07:39.920 --> 01:07:42.480
He said, there was this whole sip and cow incident

1235
01:07:42.519 --> 01:07:44.800
that went bad with a business, and he said, I

1236
01:07:44.840 --> 01:07:47.400
loaned him money. Now he hadn't paid me back yet,

1237
01:07:47.760 --> 01:07:49.760
but he said he's given me things from time to

1238
01:07:49.800 --> 01:07:51.880
time to just show good faith. And he holds up

1239
01:07:51.920 --> 01:07:53.599
his wrists. He's like, I mean, even this watch I'm

1240
01:07:53.599 --> 01:07:55.840
wearing he gave me and I've been wearing it ever

1241
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:58.000
since he was murdered in his honor. That's when it

1242
01:07:58.119 --> 01:08:03.039
kind of kind of starts coming out that both Sam

1243
01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:07.840
and Jonathan were seeking pills at the same time and

1244
01:08:07.920 --> 01:08:10.239
they shared the same plug. If you don't know the

1245
01:08:10.280 --> 01:08:12.239
word plug, plug is like who hooks you up with

1246
01:08:12.280 --> 01:08:15.760
your with whatever you want, and they shared the same plug.

1247
01:08:16.079 --> 01:08:20.199
The plug's name was Isaiah Walker, whose street name was Talk,

1248
01:08:20.640 --> 01:08:23.000
and he says, as in like TikTok because he always

1249
01:08:23.039 --> 01:08:30.720
takes forever. So eventually Sam says that instead of you

1250
01:08:30.760 --> 01:08:37.000
know them both going to talk, Talk became Sam's you know, dealer,

1251
01:08:37.560 --> 01:08:39.840
and then Sam was turning around and he was selling

1252
01:08:39.880 --> 01:08:43.119
dope himself, and he said, I was even selling to

1253
01:08:43.199 --> 01:08:47.319
Jonathan at one point. Well, the detectives kind of call bullshit.

1254
01:08:47.359 --> 01:08:49.279
They're like, well, if y'all both have the same plug,

1255
01:08:49.319 --> 01:08:51.760
why would he buy dope from you when you're gonna

1256
01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:54.439
mark it up from the price of your plug? Why

1257
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:56.079
would he do that if he already knows where to

1258
01:08:56.119 --> 01:08:58.800
get it wholesale basically, And he says it was strictly

1259
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:01.319
out of convenience. He said, I'm very close to where

1260
01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:05.600
Jonathan lives, and because Talk takes forever to get the dope. Said,

1261
01:09:05.600 --> 01:09:07.279
I didn't really mark it up, I just you know,

1262
01:09:08.159 --> 01:09:10.600
cut even I don't buy that, but that's what he said.

1263
01:09:11.520 --> 01:09:15.159
When they got into the marriage questions, Sam verified that

1264
01:09:15.319 --> 01:09:18.800
he and Collette had been married for fourteen years, and

1265
01:09:18.840 --> 01:09:21.640
so they said, well, was there ever a rocky point?

1266
01:09:21.680 --> 01:09:23.640
In your marriage. Listen to this.

1267
01:09:24.680 --> 01:09:26.760
We were having issues, and I think with her it

1268
01:09:26.840 --> 01:09:29.479
might have been some addiction issues. She was having the

1269
01:09:29.520 --> 01:09:32.119
pills and I was trying to get her to stop,

1270
01:09:32.199 --> 01:09:36.399
and she didn't want to stop. So she was yeah

1271
01:09:36.640 --> 01:09:39.560
from her cancer, and I was just trying to get

1272
01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:41.720
her to stop. But when she gets in that mind

1273
01:09:41.760 --> 01:09:46.800
frame sheet, there's no stop. There's fews. You want me

1274
01:09:46.880 --> 01:09:49.800
to stop, or you're trying to stop me. That's the

1275
01:09:49.840 --> 01:09:52.399
way she was then, because whenever she went through cancer,

1276
01:09:52.439 --> 01:09:53.800
they give her so much medicine.

1277
01:09:53.800 --> 01:09:54.680
It was ridiculous.

1278
01:09:54.680 --> 01:09:56.680
And then afterwards I tried to help her to get

1279
01:09:56.720 --> 01:10:00.000
off of it, you know, And it wasn't very much

1280
01:10:00.079 --> 01:10:05.479
longer that she ended up taking off. But she ended

1281
01:10:05.520 --> 01:10:08.239
up going up to Augusta and saw on her phone

1282
01:10:08.239 --> 01:10:10.399
that she'd been talking to another man, and I figured

1283
01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:12.800
out who it was and and it turns out that

1284
01:10:12.880 --> 01:10:16.319
it was her stepmother's brother, which is.

1285
01:10:16.600 --> 01:10:17.319
Terrible to me.

1286
01:10:17.560 --> 01:10:20.159
Okay, hold up real quick, did you and you better

1287
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:22.720
tell me the truth? Did you just choke on whatever

1288
01:10:22.760 --> 01:10:25.720
you sipped out of your ice cold Stanley like I

1289
01:10:25.800 --> 01:10:28.960
did the first time you heard that she was messing

1290
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:31.840
around with her step uncle is that really what was

1291
01:10:31.920 --> 01:10:34.279
just said to me? Because what have I gotten you,

1292
01:10:34.359 --> 01:10:37.600
my listener into? But we can't stop now, keep listening.

1293
01:10:38.039 --> 01:10:38.399
Okay.

1294
01:10:38.479 --> 01:10:41.319
So we split up for about a year and some change,

1295
01:10:41.399 --> 01:10:45.159
almost two years, and got back together in the middle

1296
01:10:45.159 --> 01:10:46.960
of it for a little bit, you know.

1297
01:10:47.520 --> 01:10:48.600
But then.

1298
01:10:50.359 --> 01:10:55.560
She came back in April, not last April. I believe

1299
01:10:55.600 --> 01:10:59.720
that April before. So we've been together ever since then.

1300
01:11:00.239 --> 01:11:05.359
How how was her relationship with them? I don't know.

1301
01:11:05.880 --> 01:11:09.319
I mean, I know that he took a liking tour

1302
01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:12.439
that I could tell a little bit. They were smoking

1303
01:11:12.439 --> 01:11:14.439
a cigarette on the porch together one day and he

1304
01:11:14.479 --> 01:11:16.560
came in and he goes, oh, she's just so nice

1305
01:11:16.600 --> 01:11:20.800
and so sweet and pretty or so lucky, sad.

1306
01:11:23.560 --> 01:11:27.560
Good, okay, good, He said it made him feel good.

1307
01:11:28.000 --> 01:11:31.439
How about maybe jealous or maybe you felt like Jonathan

1308
01:11:31.520 --> 01:11:34.479
might be overstepping some territory. Maybe, I don't know, it's

1309
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:38.319
a possibility. Detectives didn't shy away either at this point,

1310
01:11:38.439 --> 01:11:40.680
and they say flat out, do you think your wife

1311
01:11:40.680 --> 01:11:42.960
was messing around with Jonathan? And he says, I don't

1312
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:45.239
believe so, and I would really hate to find that out.

1313
01:11:46.079 --> 01:11:51.720
He did say that she told him that as soon

1314
01:11:51.760 --> 01:11:55.199
as she found out Jonathan had been murdered, she admitted

1315
01:11:55.239 --> 01:11:57.399
to her husband, Look, I had stopped by and seen

1316
01:11:57.479 --> 01:12:01.680
Jonathan that night before he was killed, and you know,

1317
01:12:01.720 --> 01:12:03.840
you said it kind of took him by surprise, and said,

1318
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:06.439
is this something you always do? Are you always leaving

1319
01:12:06.439 --> 01:12:09.079
and going and stopping by his house without me knowing?

1320
01:12:10.159 --> 01:12:12.680
But he didn't believe that they had been intimate because

1321
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:16.319
she had cancer at one point, and because of the

1322
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:18.640
type of cancer she had, she had to have some

1323
01:12:18.680 --> 01:12:21.600
procedures that made it very difficult for her to have

1324
01:12:21.680 --> 01:12:25.600
sexual relations. Let your mind just figure that one out.

1325
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:28.159
So police wanted to search his home and car. That

1326
01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:30.039
would just be kind of standard to rule him out.

1327
01:12:30.079 --> 01:12:33.039
But he says, no, that will be an invasion of

1328
01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:37.319
my privacy. So police kind of go oh okay, and

1329
01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:39.840
they switch topics and start talking about the shooting at

1330
01:12:39.840 --> 01:12:44.399
their home. So Collette had already verified that two shots

1331
01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:46.960
were fired. She said one bullet had ended up in

1332
01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:51.239
the ceiling. But whenever Sam was asked about this exact

1333
01:12:51.239 --> 01:12:53.359
same incident, he said, no shots were ever fired at

1334
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:58.560
my house. What a strange discrepancy between husband and wife.

1335
01:12:59.520 --> 01:13:01.720
Police tell him, look, we're kind of under the impression

1336
01:13:01.760 --> 01:13:04.000
that there were bullet holes in your house and that

1337
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:06.119
if we go look, there's gonna be bullet holes. And

1338
01:13:06.119 --> 01:13:08.399
he goes, oh, well, there will be, but that's those

1339
01:13:08.399 --> 01:13:11.840
were already there when we moved in. So police were like,

1340
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:16.239
legit perplexed here by you know this, it was much

1341
01:13:16.279 --> 01:13:18.399
to do about nothing. Why would you lie about an

1342
01:13:18.399 --> 01:13:22.359
incident we're not even interested in right now? So Sam says,

1343
01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:25.960
two men came on their porch and they were acting

1344
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:28.159
like they were gonna come rob him, but he went

1345
01:13:28.199 --> 01:13:30.239
and he flickered the porch lights on and off, and

1346
01:13:30.279 --> 01:13:33.600
it scared the people away. But this just wasn't jiving

1347
01:13:33.640 --> 01:13:36.960
with what every other person had said, and so police

1348
01:13:37.000 --> 01:13:39.760
are kind of like, so y'all were afraid that y'all

1349
01:13:39.760 --> 01:13:42.600
were gonna be hurt because two men randomly came and

1350
01:13:42.600 --> 01:13:45.640
stood on your porch, so you scared them off. I mean,

1351
01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:50.520
that just doesn't make sense. But there's a reality that

1352
01:13:50.600 --> 01:13:53.640
detectives face and police face, and that's that not everybody's

1353
01:13:53.680 --> 01:13:56.760
police friendly. And this guy clearly has some shit going

1354
01:13:56.800 --> 01:13:59.720
on that he doesn't want to share with police. But

1355
01:13:59.760 --> 01:14:02.920
finely he gives in and says Okay, look, yeah, shots

1356
01:14:02.920 --> 01:14:05.359
were fired and I didn't call nine one. One the

1357
01:14:05.399 --> 01:14:08.119
reason I didn't is because I'm a convicted felon and

1358
01:14:08.159 --> 01:14:10.199
I shot back at them, and I don't want to

1359
01:14:10.199 --> 01:14:12.159
get in trouble for being a felon in possession of

1360
01:14:12.199 --> 01:14:15.920
a firearm. Okay. Police are like, look, do that's all

1361
01:14:15.920 --> 01:14:18.079
you had to say. We're not going after you on

1362
01:14:18.119 --> 01:14:21.159
something that's not related to this. We just want to

1363
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:24.359
know why there would be a lie there. So, true

1364
01:14:24.399 --> 01:14:26.600
to their word, police didn't go after that. They just

1365
01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:29.159
collected a DNA sample from him and let him be

1366
01:14:29.199 --> 01:14:31.279
on his way. They did feel like there was more

1367
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:33.600
to the story, but you know, you gotta have time.

1368
01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.920
Time always will tell and this is where that comes

1369
01:14:37.920 --> 01:14:39.920
true and a little bit of luck comes into play.

1370
01:14:40.439 --> 01:14:43.840
Four days later, which would have been November fourth, Sam

1371
01:14:43.960 --> 01:14:46.880
Collins gets pulled over in a traffic stop. And I

1372
01:14:46.920 --> 01:14:49.560
do have video from that traffic stop, like bodycam video,

1373
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:53.159
and I'm gonna try to upload that on Patreon for you.

1374
01:14:53.680 --> 01:14:57.119
Sam was polite, he handed over his ID. The officer

1375
01:14:57.159 --> 01:14:59.119
does the routine go back to his car to check

1376
01:14:59.119 --> 01:15:01.439
to see if he has insuran rants and to CPS warrants.

1377
01:15:01.680 --> 01:15:04.600
Will lo and behold. Guess what he was wanted on

1378
01:15:04.760 --> 01:15:09.840
three active warrants from other incidents. They included things like

1379
01:15:09.880 --> 01:15:13.880
motor vehicle theft, burglary, larceny. So this guy is not

1380
01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:17.279
really the greatest dude. Clearly he was going to be

1381
01:15:17.279 --> 01:15:20.800
placed under arrest. But something that happens if you've never

1382
01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:22.880
been arrested before, is that there's going to be search

1383
01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:26.119
incidental to arrest. That's what it's called. So they empty

1384
01:15:26.159 --> 01:15:29.199
his pockets and things like that. Well they pull a

1385
01:15:29.359 --> 01:15:31.760
baggy a weed out of his pocket, you know, shocker,

1386
01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:37.399
But they also pull a twelve gage shotgun shell. Again,

1387
01:15:37.439 --> 01:15:39.920
I'm going to shout out good policing here because the

1388
01:15:40.000 --> 01:15:43.880
officer that did the search and found the shell vocalizes

1389
01:15:44.119 --> 01:15:47.119
on the body cam once they put Sam in the

1390
01:15:47.159 --> 01:15:49.119
car to take him to jail, Hey, I'm going to

1391
01:15:49.199 --> 01:15:52.840
go drop this stuff back in the car, which included

1392
01:15:52.840 --> 01:15:55.800
that shotgun shell. And that's when the other officer goes,

1393
01:15:55.840 --> 01:15:58.159
wait a minute, what kind of shotgun shell is that?

1394
01:15:58.840 --> 01:16:00.760
And the officer says, it's a it's a twelve gage,

1395
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:03.439
it's a Winchester, and then he drops it back on

1396
01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:06.279
the seat like the front seat of the car, and

1397
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:10.319
in a random passing conversation while they're just talking and

1398
01:16:10.359 --> 01:16:13.800
they're doing what they got to do, that second officer says,

1399
01:16:13.800 --> 01:16:16.920
didn't we just have a murder with a shotgun? And

1400
01:16:16.960 --> 01:16:20.119
then they just kind of go about their business. Sam's

1401
01:16:20.119 --> 01:16:24.159
booked into jail. Well, the arresting officer, thinking about what

1402
01:16:24.199 --> 01:16:26.479
that other officer had said about the murder, went the

1403
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:29.800
extra step of notifying detectives that he had found a

1404
01:16:29.840 --> 01:16:34.239
shotgun shell during that search incidental to arrest. So they

1405
01:16:34.239 --> 01:16:35.920
turned around and they were able to get a search

1406
01:16:35.960 --> 01:16:41.000
warrant for Sam's vehicle, where they recovered that same shotgun shell,

1407
01:16:41.279 --> 01:16:43.159
as well as a cell phone that they took in

1408
01:16:43.199 --> 01:16:46.279
as evidence. They also were able to get a search

1409
01:16:46.279 --> 01:16:50.760
warrant for Collette and Sam's home, where when they got

1410
01:16:50.760 --> 01:16:54.640
there they surprised Collette, who at this point, the little

1411
01:16:54.680 --> 01:16:57.680
Collette who was, you know, kind of quiet and slow

1412
01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:00.479
talking at the police station, she was a whole frickin

1413
01:17:00.520 --> 01:17:04.359
different animal when they showed up better house, incredibly disrespectful

1414
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:07.960
and not helpful. And as they completed the search of

1415
01:17:08.000 --> 01:17:13.079
the home, they noticed shotgun holes throughout the house and

1416
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:16.279
they also took photographs of a shooting target that had

1417
01:17:16.399 --> 01:17:20.680
numerous holes in it and it was hung on the wall.

1418
01:17:20.760 --> 01:17:24.800
So detectives were excited when they found what they thought

1419
01:17:24.880 --> 01:17:27.760
was a shotgun, but when they did a closer look,

1420
01:17:27.800 --> 01:17:29.439
it turns out it was actually a BB gun of

1421
01:17:29.479 --> 01:17:32.640
their sons. And they didn't locate any other weapons inside

1422
01:17:32.680 --> 01:17:35.680
of the home, but they did find those shotgun shells,

1423
01:17:36.520 --> 01:17:39.600
but they did not match the type of shells used

1424
01:17:39.640 --> 01:17:42.680
in the murder. It was also rather curious that as

1425
01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:46.000
they searched the home they found multiple cell phones. So

1426
01:17:46.119 --> 01:17:49.000
detectives took the cell phones and they searched through them,

1427
01:17:49.439 --> 01:17:53.239
and one of the phones was apparently SAMs that he

1428
01:17:53.319 --> 01:17:56.359
wasn't using, I guess, And there were some text messages

1429
01:17:56.399 --> 01:18:00.439
between he and a friend named William Cody Brand who

1430
01:18:00.520 --> 01:18:06.000
went by Cody. One of the messages peaked investigator's interest.

1431
01:18:06.439 --> 01:18:08.640
This was a text and it was in kind of

1432
01:18:08.680 --> 01:18:11.720
like broken English and like a lot of misspelled words

1433
01:18:11.760 --> 01:18:13.600
and things. So I'm gonna make the sentence make sense

1434
01:18:13.600 --> 01:18:16.159
for you, but basically it said, I hope I didn't

1435
01:18:16.199 --> 01:18:18.399
wake you up. I put your gun in the back

1436
01:18:18.439 --> 01:18:20.399
of your truck. I was gonna wrap it in the

1437
01:18:20.439 --> 01:18:22.960
camo gloves in there. I had a late night ride

1438
01:18:23.000 --> 01:18:26.520
last night, but just keep this conversation between us, don't

1439
01:18:26.560 --> 01:18:31.159
share it with the crew. So this message was timestamped

1440
01:18:31.239 --> 01:18:34.520
less than two hours after Jonathan's murder had taken place.

1441
01:18:35.560 --> 01:18:39.960
Then two days later, Sam messages Cody again and says,

1442
01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:44.640
you haven't seen me, and I haven't seen you. Sketchy,

1443
01:18:44.880 --> 01:18:48.520
you know what I'm saying. So during that same search warrant,

1444
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:52.039
police had also found camouflage clothing. Police were then able

1445
01:18:52.079 --> 01:18:55.479
to get a search warrant for Cody's house, and so

1446
01:18:56.239 --> 01:18:58.720
as they searched his home, they went into his garage

1447
01:18:58.760 --> 01:19:02.840
and in Cody's garage they found a spent shell casing

1448
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:06.479
as well as some that were not fired. And guess

1449
01:19:06.479 --> 01:19:10.279
where Cody lived. Cody lived in the Farm neighborhood. And

1450
01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:13.720
that's really interesting considering Colette had already admitted that while

1451
01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:16.239
she went out supposedly on her drinking and driving tour,

1452
01:19:16.640 --> 01:19:20.880
she drove through there if you remember. Obviously, Cody had

1453
01:19:20.880 --> 01:19:24.199
some explaining to do, but he seemed very upfront. He

1454
01:19:24.279 --> 01:19:26.840
said Sam asked to borrow a gun for self protection

1455
01:19:26.960 --> 01:19:29.119
because of a home invasion that had happened. Some shots

1456
01:19:29.119 --> 01:19:31.439
had been fired at their home and he said, yeah, bro,

1457
01:19:31.760 --> 01:19:33.960
you can borrow my gun. That's fine, Please take care

1458
01:19:33.960 --> 01:19:38.880
of it. This gun is my baby. So he thought

1459
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:42.119
it was kind of strange though, because he gave Sam

1460
01:19:42.159 --> 01:19:45.600
the gun. But the very next day, Cody had already

1461
01:19:45.640 --> 01:19:48.800
returned the gun. And he also thought it was weird

1462
01:19:48.800 --> 01:19:50.720
because he said it had been raining the night before

1463
01:19:50.760 --> 01:19:52.560
and it seemed really strange that he would get out

1464
01:19:52.600 --> 01:19:54.960
in the middle of the night in the rain to

1465
01:19:55.119 --> 01:19:57.720
return a weapon and all of that, he said, But

1466
01:19:57.800 --> 01:20:00.239
I took the gun, I unloaded it. I was I'm

1467
01:20:00.720 --> 01:20:02.880
surprise to find that there was a spent shell casing

1468
01:20:03.039 --> 01:20:05.880
still inside of it. He said, I didn't throw it away,

1469
01:20:06.439 --> 01:20:08.640
y'all can have it. What he didn't know is police

1470
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:14.640
had already found it during that warrant. So now police

1471
01:20:14.680 --> 01:20:16.840
had the task of trying to place Sam at the

1472
01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:21.680
crime scene. But you know, they never saw him in

1473
01:20:21.720 --> 01:20:24.279
any of the surveillance footage, to be honest, they never

1474
01:20:24.359 --> 01:20:27.239
saw him. That's when they decided to go back to

1475
01:20:27.279 --> 01:20:29.960
the drawing board and rewatch the videos to see if

1476
01:20:29.960 --> 01:20:32.760
there was anything they may have missed. And lo and behold,

1477
01:20:33.399 --> 01:20:35.960
remember when the vehicle drove past Jonathan's house and then

1478
01:20:36.000 --> 01:20:39.479
made that left hand turn onto Master's Way. Well, if

1479
01:20:39.520 --> 01:20:43.479
you keep watching very closely, as soon as that vehicle

1480
01:20:43.520 --> 01:20:46.640
is out of range of the video, you can clearly

1481
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:51.479
see lights light up and those are very obviously tail

1482
01:20:51.560 --> 01:20:54.640
lights to a vehicle. There was no other traffic on

1483
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:56.600
the road, so it begged the question why did the

1484
01:20:56.640 --> 01:20:59.520
car stop there? And it was again just a few

1485
01:20:59.560 --> 01:21:02.960
minutes for Jonathan was shot. So detectives went back to

1486
01:21:03.039 --> 01:21:07.600
Jonathan's house and they walked from Jonathan's backyard through the

1487
01:21:07.600 --> 01:21:13.000
wooded area to that McMaster's Road to see is it

1488
01:21:13.079 --> 01:21:15.640
possible that someone could have walked that path in the

1489
01:21:15.680 --> 01:21:19.479
timeframe they had to jump in a car. Police had

1490
01:21:19.520 --> 01:21:24.039
developed the theory that Jonathan was in his backyard when

1491
01:21:24.239 --> 01:21:28.399
Sam walked through the woods after being dropped off by Colette,

1492
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:32.279
shot Jonathan and then walked back to the car, but

1493
01:21:32.319 --> 01:21:34.800
they didn't have enough to prove this all the way.

1494
01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.840
What would become extremely helpful was that eight days later,

1495
01:21:39.079 --> 01:21:42.359
the DNA came back from Cody's shotgun and sure as shit,

1496
01:21:42.760 --> 01:21:46.720
Sam Collins DNA was found on the magazine cap, the trigger,

1497
01:21:46.880 --> 01:21:49.560
and the stock. They were also able to find his

1498
01:21:49.680 --> 01:21:53.079
DNA on the Camo clothing that the shotgun was wrapped in.

1499
01:21:53.760 --> 01:21:59.199
At this point, police felt incredibly confident we have our killer.

1500
01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.119
They executed arrest warrants for both Collette and Sam Collins

1501
01:22:03.199 --> 01:22:08.720
in the murder of Jonathan. Cheryl Colette then was arrested

1502
01:22:08.720 --> 01:22:11.319
on her front porch without incident. But once she got

1503
01:22:11.359 --> 01:22:13.640
in the police car, now she wanted to talk to

1504
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:18.840
detectives and without an attorney. Wouldn't you know that once

1505
01:22:18.880 --> 01:22:21.840
she was officially under arrest, all of a sudden, her

1506
01:22:21.840 --> 01:22:25.840
story started to change considerably. She now claimed she and

1507
01:22:25.880 --> 01:22:28.640
Sam got in a fight after she left Jonathan's because

1508
01:22:28.640 --> 01:22:30.920
she went home and was honest and to her told

1509
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:33.880
him where she had been. At that point, she says,

1510
01:22:33.920 --> 01:22:36.720
her husband grabbed her and told her you're not going anywhere.

1511
01:22:36.800 --> 01:22:39.600
Because she was trying to leave, she said, he chased

1512
01:22:39.600 --> 01:22:42.560
me down. He got in the car with me, and

1513
01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:46.039
since our son was at the house, I didn't want

1514
01:22:46.039 --> 01:22:48.079
the fight to escalate in front of him, so I

1515
01:22:48.239 --> 01:22:52.119
drove off and Sam said take me to Jonathan's. She said,

1516
01:22:52.159 --> 01:22:53.760
I didn't want to go to Jonathan's, but I was

1517
01:22:53.800 --> 01:22:56.159
really upset with all of the fighting, and as we

1518
01:22:56.319 --> 01:22:59.840
drove towards Jonathan's house. The fighting escalated at what point

1519
01:23:00.039 --> 01:23:02.319
which point she stopped and she said, get out of

1520
01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:04.760
my car, and she kicked him out of the car.

1521
01:23:05.319 --> 01:23:06.920
She said, a little while later he called me and

1522
01:23:06.920 --> 01:23:10.520
said come pick me up. And she admitted, look, I

1523
01:23:10.560 --> 01:23:12.680
have treated on my husband in the past, so I

1524
01:23:12.800 --> 01:23:18.760
understand why he was so upset. But you know, she said,

1525
01:23:18.800 --> 01:23:23.359
my husband does not have a gun. And you know,

1526
01:23:23.479 --> 01:23:26.479
I found out about Jonathan's murder the next day. I

1527
01:23:26.520 --> 01:23:29.600
saw it on the news at work and at that point,

1528
01:23:30.359 --> 01:23:32.760
you know, that's when I realized what must have happened.

1529
01:23:32.760 --> 01:23:34.880
And the police looked her in her face and said,

1530
01:23:35.760 --> 01:23:41.600
bull fucking shit, that is not what happened. But it

1531
01:23:41.800 --> 01:23:45.359
really hit home to her whenever she says, what's gonna

1532
01:23:45.399 --> 01:23:49.359
happen to me, What's gonna happen to me? And the

1533
01:23:49.399 --> 01:23:52.079
detective looks at her and says, maybe you're going to jail,

1534
01:23:52.239 --> 01:23:56.119
and now you're being charged with murder. She starts hyperventilating

1535
01:23:56.319 --> 01:23:58.720
and she's crying at one point, talking about how she

1536
01:23:58.800 --> 01:24:01.239
has to go through some more cant her treatments and

1537
01:24:01.279 --> 01:24:07.000
how scared she is. Then she completely seeing the detectives

1538
01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:12.359
are unmoved by this show starts throwing her husband under

1539
01:24:12.640 --> 01:24:15.000
the bus. When I say throwing him under the bus,

1540
01:24:15.119 --> 01:24:17.720
I mean she slung him. She ran him over. She

1541
01:24:17.800 --> 01:24:20.039
put that bitch in reverse. I said no and backed

1542
01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:22.520
right back over his ass. Because she throws him under

1543
01:24:22.520 --> 01:24:24.840
the bus, and she starts talking about how he's nothing

1544
01:24:24.880 --> 01:24:27.199
but trouble and he's so problematic for her. And what

1545
01:24:27.319 --> 01:24:31.279
I love is that the police are like, well, you're

1546
01:24:31.279 --> 01:24:33.359
still being charged with murder, and she says, what didn't

1547
01:24:33.399 --> 01:24:37.560
kill anybody? And that's when they go blow by blow

1548
01:24:38.279 --> 01:24:40.720
about all the turns that she made when she dropped

1549
01:24:40.760 --> 01:24:44.359
him off. They also add in that she made the

1550
01:24:44.439 --> 01:24:47.960
circle around Jonathan's house while her husband was out of

1551
01:24:48.000 --> 01:24:51.199
the car. She had her window rolled down, which seemed

1552
01:24:51.239 --> 01:24:54.439
really convenient. She's they say, hmm, I wonder why you

1553
01:24:54.560 --> 01:24:56.920
drove by the front of his house really slowly with

1554
01:24:57.000 --> 01:25:00.000
your window down. We can tell when the shotgun blasts

1555
01:25:00.119 --> 01:25:02.800
go off because the camera shakes, so there's no doubt

1556
01:25:02.800 --> 01:25:06.199
that you heard it. Then we see you pull up

1557
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:08.359
to the stop sign when you continue making the circle

1558
01:25:08.560 --> 01:25:13.000
where you sat for twenty five seconds, which makes sense

1559
01:25:13.239 --> 01:25:16.560
because that sam husband of yours has a limp. Because

1560
01:25:16.560 --> 01:25:19.479
he walks with a cane because he can't run, which

1561
01:25:19.479 --> 01:25:22.680
is exactly why the neighbors saw the man walking through

1562
01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:26.319
their backyard through those woods. And then magically you make

1563
01:25:26.359 --> 01:25:28.600
that turn when you see him pop out, we see

1564
01:25:28.640 --> 01:25:32.279
brake lights again. He gets in your car and he leaves.

1565
01:25:32.960 --> 01:25:36.319
So boo boo. Your husband got out of the car

1566
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:40.439
with a shotgun. You drove around and heard shotgun blasts.

1567
01:25:41.159 --> 01:25:43.800
Then you go back and pick him up. He gets

1568
01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:46.119
back in your car with a shotgun. What do you

1569
01:25:46.279 --> 01:25:50.720
think happened? Your husband was angry because he thought you

1570
01:25:50.760 --> 01:25:54.279
were cheating. He grabbed a shotgun. He got in your car.

1571
01:25:54.359 --> 01:25:56.359
You drive to the house that he thinks you're cheating

1572
01:25:56.399 --> 01:26:00.119
with you. Hear shotgun blasts from behind the house. He

1573
01:26:00.199 --> 01:26:02.560
doesn't knock on the front door, babe. He made you

1574
01:26:02.680 --> 01:26:07.479
drive around and he went through the back tactically. You,

1575
01:26:07.920 --> 01:26:12.000
my friend, are a mother yourself. How would you feel

1576
01:26:12.319 --> 01:26:14.760
if your baby boy his name was Chase. How would

1577
01:26:14.800 --> 01:26:18.640
you feel if baby Chase was murdered by somebody and

1578
01:26:18.680 --> 01:26:21.079
you were sitting here wanting me to solve it. Wouldn't

1579
01:26:21.119 --> 01:26:23.720
you want someone tell the truth and the whole truth.

1580
01:26:24.840 --> 01:26:29.479
And that's when the story changes yet again, she says

1581
01:26:29.960 --> 01:26:32.760
Sam did accuse me of sleeping with Jonathan. She said

1582
01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:34.920
he even went so far as to check my pennies

1583
01:26:34.960 --> 01:26:38.079
to see what they looked like. He rubbed my legs

1584
01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:39.800
to see if they were shaved, and he looked at

1585
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:43.920
my vagina to see if it was shaved. A classic Oh,

1586
01:26:44.000 --> 01:26:48.520
I'm the offended female. He was yelling at her. He

1587
01:26:48.560 --> 01:26:50.479
said that she was making him look like a fool

1588
01:26:50.520 --> 01:26:53.039
because she went to another man's house. He grabbed his gun.

1589
01:26:53.079 --> 01:26:56.279
Pissed off, they went to go confront Jonathan. While they're

1590
01:26:56.359 --> 01:26:58.800
driving there, she says that he started slamming her head

1591
01:26:58.800 --> 01:27:01.880
into the window so hard her head was hurting and

1592
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:05.720
her ears were ringing. And then she says, yeah, I

1593
01:27:05.760 --> 01:27:08.239
did hear the shotgun blast. But he got in the

1594
01:27:08.279 --> 01:27:10.760
car and I started saying, what did you do? And

1595
01:27:10.760 --> 01:27:12.920
he said, I just shot the gun to scare Jonathan.

1596
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:15.880
And again, I didn't even know Jonathan was dead. I'm serious.

1597
01:27:15.880 --> 01:27:18.399
I didn't know until the next day. And my husband

1598
01:27:18.479 --> 01:27:21.000
said yes when I confronted him about it, and I

1599
01:27:21.159 --> 01:27:25.119
better not say anything, y'all if you're not outdone with her.

1600
01:27:25.159 --> 01:27:27.199
At this point, I don't know what to say. But

1601
01:27:27.239 --> 01:27:30.960
the police were done with her ever changing story because

1602
01:27:31.079 --> 01:27:34.720
it's crystal clear what happened. They transported Collette to the

1603
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:38.760
Beaufort County Detention Center where Sam, her husband was already

1604
01:27:38.800 --> 01:27:42.239
in custody due to that drug possession charge, and police

1605
01:27:42.279 --> 01:27:45.920
served their arrest warrants for Jonathan's murder to him there.

1606
01:27:46.680 --> 01:27:50.159
Eventually their cases would go to trial. Sam was convicted

1607
01:27:50.159 --> 01:27:53.920
of murder and sentenced to fifty years in prison. Collette's

1608
01:27:54.000 --> 01:27:57.920
charges would be reduced to accessory after the fact. And

1609
01:27:57.960 --> 01:28:00.960
this is kind of funny because once the prosecution laid

1610
01:28:00.960 --> 01:28:05.239
out their case against Collette and Sam realized that Collette

1611
01:28:05.279 --> 01:28:09.640
was gonna play victim, he agreed to testify against his

1612
01:28:09.680 --> 01:28:12.359
own wife. I guess by that point he was angry,

1613
01:28:12.439 --> 01:28:13.920
so he was a matter of fact when he said

1614
01:28:13.920 --> 01:28:15.760
that he told Collette as soon as he got back

1615
01:28:15.760 --> 01:28:18.520
in the car, I killed Jonathan, and then she helped

1616
01:28:18.600 --> 01:28:20.640
him get rid of the gun by dropping it off

1617
01:28:20.680 --> 01:28:24.680
at Cody's house. Collette Collins was convicted of accessory after

1618
01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:28.119
the fact and sentenced to fifteen years. So I guess

1619
01:28:28.159 --> 01:28:30.119
this story is one of those where it's safe to

1620
01:28:30.119 --> 01:28:33.199
say keep your enemies close and your friend's closer, because

1621
01:28:33.319 --> 01:28:36.119
jealousy doesn't look good on anyone, and it's no different

1622
01:28:36.159 --> 01:28:38.960
in this case. So my advice would be, when you

1623
01:28:38.960 --> 01:28:43.520
marry someone, maybe make sure they actually like you and

1624
01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:45.920
they're committed to you. I have a feeling that Collette

1625
01:28:45.960 --> 01:28:47.800
went to Jonathan's house that night looking for a little

1626
01:28:47.840 --> 01:28:51.560
bit more, but Jonathan just wasn't interested. And I'll say this,

1627
01:28:52.239 --> 01:28:54.720
I'm not mad about her lying. I didn't really expect much,

1628
01:28:55.319 --> 01:28:58.279
but I'm thoroughly amused that she thinks were all dumb

1629
01:28:58.359 --> 01:29:06.880
enough to believe it.