Aug. 7, 2024

Sudden Attack: The Jason Johnson Case

Sudden Attack: The Jason Johnson Case

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In this episode of “Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings” , KJ discusses a haunting 1999 case from Joplin, Missouri, where we meet Jason Johnson, a beloved young man with promising prospects. His tragic encounter at a gas station highlights the devastating consequences of a sudden, violent attack that leaves Jason fatally wounded. As emergency responders battle to save him, the gravity of his injuries becomes starkly apparent, sending shockwaves through his loved ones.

Timestamps
03:04 The Case of Jason Johnson Begins
05:44 Jason's Family and Background
09:32 Race and Relationships
11:16 Fateful Night at a Club
23:58 The Lifestyle of a Pimp
27:18 Warrant Issued for Arrest
37:48 Shocking Revelation
39:45 Profound Impact
50:04 Verdict Delivered
53:14 Insight into Behavior
56:41 Unapologetic Admission

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ You're back for another episode of Unspeakable. How's it going?

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What are you doing? You know? I got to tell

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you something that happened to me in my own life

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this past week. And we went to a wedding, okay

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in Florida, and so we're sitting there. It was kind

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of like on the beach at this little bar thing. AnyWho,

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We're just standing there. My husband was in the wedding

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hanging out, and the preacher walks over and says, well, hey,

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during the wedding, you want to come stand next to me,

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and my husband, being the sweetheart that he is, said sure,

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I'll be there, and she said, I bet you will.

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And I'm like, what is going on here? And so

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she said, all right, so when the vows start, you're

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gonna do this, You're gonna do that, you can do this,

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You're gonna do that. And my husband's like, okay, okay, okay,

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and I said hold on a second, stop and they

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both looked at me, and I said, do you think

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he's the groom and she said, well yeah, I said,

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he is not the groom. That's the groom. And I

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pointed over to his cousin, who, by the way, they

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look just alike because their dads are identical twins. And

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she looked back at my husband and looked back at him.

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She's like, oh my god. I said, honey, you are

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not You may be a preacher, but you are not

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gonna take my husband and marry him off to somebody else.

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You better watch your back. And she laughed and I laughed,

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and I was serious. So then after the wedding, I'm

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standing in the aisle and we're, you know, all talking

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or whatever, and she comes walking down and she bumps

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into me and I'm like, I know this preacher. Later, lady,

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don't want beef with me. We are at a wedding,

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and so she turned around and I said, first of all,

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you tried to marry off my husband. Now you want

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to bump into me, you better watch your back. And

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then she busted out laughing because she now I was

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just playing, and I hugged her and she said, you

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have just been such a joy. I said, I'd like

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to say the same about you, and then we laughed

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again and she walked off. Anyway, y'all better watch a'all's

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husbands if y'all go to weddings, because someone will straight

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up try to try to marry them off. Hey, I'll

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tell you what. I'll put pictures on my Patreon of

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my husband and his cousin, so y'all can see how

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much I'll like they do look and you know it

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was an honest mistake, but you better watch it all

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right now. I spoke about this case in the past

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during another podcast about how much I hated this man

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in this in this particular case, and then I realized

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I never actually did the whole case. So I'm gonna

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do it for you today. It gets my blood freaking boiling, Okay,

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And you know when we listen to cases about children

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getting hurt and how you're like, that's just a whole

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different level. You just don't go there. To me, this

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is this falls along those same lines, and so it

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caught my attention for a multitude of reasons. And this

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one isn't one that made huge waves necessarily in the media.

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It's certainly one that's not in the news today. But

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the motive and the continued behavior after the fact really

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lends itself to why I am the way that I am,

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Why the why I think the way that I think?

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Whenever I'm presenting cases to you in the podcast. This

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is just a prime example of it. But this one's

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going to go back to nineteen ninety nine and it's

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going to take place in Joplin, Missouri. This was the

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home of twenty eight year old Jason Johnson. His friends

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called him JJ. When I tell you, Jason was a

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kind Christian athletic better than the average joe. It's sports.

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I mean, just looking at him, you can tell that

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he was somebody and that he definitely was going to

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make a mark on the world is looking at him.

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He's a leaner, He's like an athletic black man that

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he kind of gives you the feel of like boys

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to men. Do you remember when they were at their

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their peak, that clean cut, fresh haircut. He just had

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that thing, that that it factor about him that just

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made him. You just knew he was somebody. He was educated.

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He was a psychology student at Missouri Southern, and he

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came from a very close family. He had two brothers,

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Brian and Darren, and his parents. I cannot tell you

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enough about his parents. Just listening to these guys talk,

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these are the best people saw of the earth, godly people,

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well dressed, articulate, Their home was manicured. Their essence about

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them just screams success. And Mom was very involved with

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her boys. She worked short hours when they were younger,

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so she could spend a majority of her time with

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her boys. She wanted to be a homemaker and be

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very involved in her children's lives, and something about her

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She always had hot breakfast on the table for her boys,

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and she always had dinner for them at night. They

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knew that they were loved and that they were taken

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care of, and they were wanted, and they were needed

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in her life. And Daddy, by the way, he was

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there too. Daddy was there to support and take care

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of his boys. All the boys played sports, he was

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in church. He was just a good kid overall, and

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when mom was talking about him, she would say things

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like he was always smiling, and he he was loud

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when he laughed. He had that boisterous laugh that when

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you heard it, it made you laugh because it just was overwhelming.

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He was always with his mama when he was younger.

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He was a mama's boy. And she said that something

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that was always was precious to her about her son

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was that if one of his friends was having problems,

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he would call his mama and ask her to pray

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with him for their friends. And something I've learned, you know,

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in my lifetime, is that a friend who's willing to

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pray for you is a really good friend. Now, when

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he was little, they did learn that he had some

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learning disabilities. He was struggling. He was not doing well

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in school, so they got him tutoring. They actually pulled

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him out of public school and put him into private

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school for three years to kind of assist in his

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growth and make sure that he got a more one

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on one opportunity in the classroom. And once he got

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back on track, they figured out what some of his

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disabilities were in the learning in a learning environment. Afterwards,

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he excelled. He excelled in everything he played soccer, baseball, basketball, football,

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and football was his main love. And I'll tell you this,

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I know this about kids. We all know this. If

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they are in sports as a pretty good indicator that

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they will do better in life. Now, did I just

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say if your kid doesn't play sports, I'm not going

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to do all life. I did not say that. What

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I'm saying was sports teach our kids a lot about

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trusting in others, team building, working, hard, work, ethic, sacrificing, right,

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putting in time. Sports are just an absolute wonderful pathway

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to adulthood to teach you about a lot about life.

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He was a Parkway North High graduate and he then

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went on to the University of Cincinnati. But he wasn't

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there very long before he called his aunt, not his mama.

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He had called his aunt. Was talking to his aunt,

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and at eighteen years old, he was crying to his

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aunt because he wanted to be home with his family.

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He did not want to be stuck in the dorm.

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And a lot of his friends would go home during

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the holidays because a lot of them were local, and

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he couldn't he was home, and so he really wanted

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to come home. When his mama and his daddy found

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that out, they drove straight up there to get him

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right then and said, ain't no way, my child is

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not going to feel like this. And so right then

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he came home. And then he transferred to Missouri Southern,

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and while he was there, he worked at some different places,

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including the Gateway Youth Center because he loved kids. He

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loved interacting with them. They loved him. He was fun

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and they liked to be around him. He was a

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great role model for these kids. And he also worked

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at a place called the Finish Line where he was

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selling shoes and he just loved helping kids pick out

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their shoes. And he would like joke with the parents

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when they would come in and say, don't let this

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kid just come get shoes from anybody. They to come

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see JJ, right, He's going to get him the fast shoes.

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So I think his character screams from what his life

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was like and the things that he did, and the

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fact he wanted to come home during the holidays. So typically,

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and I think you know me, if you've been listening

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to my show, if this is your first time. You

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may not know this about me, but normally I will

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give you such a great description about the characters in

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these stories which I had to use even use the

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word character. They're real people, the players in these stories.

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But race is not typically something that's of any consequence.

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It's not something I don't even think that I normally

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would bring it up. But in this case, it's gonna matter.

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Jason was a black man and he was in a

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predominantly white area. But don't get it twisted. It's not

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what you think that. This is not going where you

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think it's going. This wasn't an issue because Jason was

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raised with people. Jason was raised to look at a

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person and determine if they were worthy of his time

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or not, ba on their heart and how they treated him,

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Like all of us, I would think and hope was

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how we were raised, right. I mean, obviously Jason could

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see color in people, but it made no difference. Matter

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of fact, majority of Jason's friends were white. So I

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know you're like, well, why are you even bringing this up? It?

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Trust me, it's gonna matter. But even to bring it,

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bring it up. Jason's best friend, his name was Jerry Coble.

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Jerry was white, okay, so he interacted well with other people.

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The friendship group that he had, white people loved him.

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They're good people. Good people love good people. So Jason's

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birthday was September the twenty ninth, so on October the second,

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he and a few of his friends, Andrew Martin and

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Mark Wolfe. They met at a Joplin restaurant to celebrate

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his birthday, just a little bit late. So, you know,

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dinner was typical guy talk, sport, girls, whatever that whatever

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it does guys talk about. I don't know, I haven't

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gone to a I've never been a guy, but I

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assume that it was, you know, talking about work and

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plans and you know what guys talk about sports. They

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had a beer or two, you know, just a good

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time sitting at a restaurant, and afterwards they decided, you

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know what, let's go downtown. Let's go to a club,

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a nightclub, let's go, let's go have some fun. But

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Jason wasn't driving, and so when they left the restaurant,

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he went and got into Andrews nineteen ninety six Ford

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F one P fifty pick up, and Mark Wolfe followed

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them in his Camaro. Now, they decided on the way

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to the bar or to the club, that they were

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going to swing into a gas station, but only Jason

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was going to go inside. The other two guys waited

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out in the car, and so he goes inside and

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he picks up a forty ounce beer and a can

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of chewing tobacco. While Jason is waiting in line, there's

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approximately seven or eight other patrons in the store, and

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this includes a woman that's standing directly in front of him,

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and her name is Tammy Lawson. In the timeframe, it's

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just before ten pm, and all the people are just

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standing there patiently waiting, you know, they're waiting for their

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turn to check out or whatever. And there is closed

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circuit television of this instance, and it looks like an

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average exchange and a gas station. Between all of the people,

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there's nothing of any noticeability happening. I've watched the video.

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People are standing in line, then they pay, then they leave.

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So Jason paid for his items and then he returned

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back to the vehicle. So he and Andrew drove off,

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and Mark continued to follow behind them in his car,

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and eventually they came to a stop at the corner

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of Fifth Street and Joplin. So when they come to

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the red light and they stop, another vehicle pulls up

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alongside their vehicle, and then a man starts yelling at

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Jason through his open window. So the car that pulled

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up pulled up on the passenger side of the vehicle

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that Jason was in, so somewhat surprised by what was

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going on, Jason is hearing this man yell whatever at him,

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and so he responds back. So they kind of start

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exchanging words for a few seconds, and it was almost like,

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you know, there's no video of this, obviously, but it's

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almost like you get the gist that Jason was kind

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of somewhat taken by surprise, and then like, who the

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hell are you? Like, what are you talking about? Kind

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of was the exchange. And in a matter of those

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seconds of the words being exchanged, the driver of the

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vehicle that had pulled up beside Jason jumped out of

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his vehicle, lunged in the window, and stabbed Jason through

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the neck. Blood began spurting out with every heartbeat that

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Jason had, and Jason and didn't realize it, but his

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jugular had been completely severed as well as his carotid

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being nearly completely severed, so not realizing that he was

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mortally wounded, Jason opened up the door and came out

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of the car, and he staggered toward his assailant, and

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he had a beer bottle, that forty ounce beer bottle

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in his hand, and he attempted to throw it at

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the guy who had just stabbed him in the neck.

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But just as quickly as that stabbing had happened, and

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Jason opened his door and staggered out, the assailant jumped

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back in his vehicle and it sped away. So completely

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stunned by what had just happened, the men all scrambled

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to assist Jason, who had then just collapsed right there

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in the roadway. He didn't make it five steps. So

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some good Samaritans from a cafe that was nearby, some

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good Samaritans kind of heard the ruckus and they came

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and ran outside and they all tried to help Jason.

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They even got some towels and clothing and they were

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trying to stop the blood that was just gushing out

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of his body. And one worker ended up calling nine

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to one one to try to save him and get

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somebody there. We need help. Now there's blood pouring out

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of this victim, So an ambulance was dispatched and they

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responded within minutes, just minutes of the stabbing. But as

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we all know, a completely severed jugular vein and a

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damaged carotid artery is likely not something many people will survive.

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So if you're not familiar real quick with the body,

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I thought it would be important to explain to you

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that the jugular vein is a very important vein that

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you have running through your neck because it's going to

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ensure that the blood is going to flow smoothly to

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and from the brain right and throughout the head, and

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that requires a lot of oxygen. If the jugular vein

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is cut, not only can the victim bleed to death,

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or if it's severed, not only can they bleed to death,

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but they very quickly can start suffering brain damage because

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of the lack of the oxygen flow. And another issue

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that Jason was facing in that moment was that, due

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to the severity of the wound in his neck, his

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blood was draining back into his airway, so he's starting

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to aspirate and suffocate. But in a short time, those

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paramedics got there, they were able to get to him.

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He was already unresponsive, but they did their best to

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keep him alive and get him to the hospital. Now,

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when Jason arrived at the hospital, he was in very

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serious condition. His stab wound was bleeding profusely, and as

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it was noted that stab wound was about five to

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six inches deep, and he had now been without oxygen

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for a while. So, just for just your own sake,

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whatever you're doing right now, think about the depth of

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your neck. Look like, feel your neck, put a pin

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up to your neck. Imagine a knife going through your

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neck to give you the perspective of how badness was.

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So Jason's friend started to make some phone calls because

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they were like, we got to alert his face of

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what is going on. They need to get here, and

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they need to get here now. So one person ended

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up calling Jason's girlfriend, who in turn called his mother

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to break the news to her that her baby boy

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was seriously injured. His parents had settled in for the night.

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They were just relaxing and watching TV when their phone rang.

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Miss Charlie, that's Jason's mama's name. Miss Charlie said that

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she answered the phone and she just recalls how slowly

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and deliberately Jason's girlfriend was speaking to her. It wasn't

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the normal conversation. And she said, Miss Charlie, Jason got cut.

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And she said cut. What do you mean he got cut?

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How is he? And she said, I really think you

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guys need to come. You need to come up to

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this hospital and see him. And Miss Charlie said that

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she just froze in place. She didn't know what to do.

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It was like she was numb. She couldn't move. Her

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child was hours away and she couldn't get to him quickly.

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So to verify what was going on and to understand

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Jason's daddy jumped on the phone and called the hospital

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where he was to kind of figure out what was

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going on, and they confirmed this was not just bad,

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this was very serious. And my heart hurts for Jason's friends,

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even in this instance because my own husband. By the way,

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if you've been a follower, you might know that he

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had a traumatic brain injury due to a motorcycle accident

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so bad they actually lined him in chalk on the

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ground because they thought he was dead. And his best

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friend at the time, Eric had to make that phone

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call to his mother, who by the way, had already

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lost her other son in a traumatic boating accident, and

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say something's wrong, and she was like, oh, oh my god.

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And he had to break the news to her that

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I'm pretty sure Blake's dead. Thank god he wasn't. But

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can you imagine even that in and of itself has

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to be just so sickening, so rough. Not to mention

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that this was senseless, It didn't make sense. So, realizing

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that they were not equipped, Daddy called a friend and said,

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Jason's hurt. We need help. We're about to go drive

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and see him. And the friend said, no, you're not,

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y'all do not need to be driving. I'm coming to

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get you. Loaded up the both of Jason's parents and

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took them to the hospital. Now it was a drive

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to get there, and that night, Miss Charlie said that

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it was lightning and that it was storming and it

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was really bad weather. And she said she turned and

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she looked out the window of the vehicle and all

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she could see was like this image of Bill Cosby.

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Now I want to stop real quick. I know, in

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twenty twenty four, this sounds weird Bill Cosby because of

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what we know now and you know the whole history

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with Bill Cosby, but I want you to remember that

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this was the nineties. It was the peak of Bill

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Cosby's career, and he was very loved and you know,

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he was the dad right on TV. Well, what a

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lot of people may not know about Bill Cosby, or

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maybe you do, but he had a son who had

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just recently been murdered, his only son. Matter of fact,

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Ennis Cosby was the only son of Bill Cosby, and

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he was murdered in January of ninety seven. He was

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on the Interstate four h five in Los Angeles and

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he was shot in the head by an eighteen year

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old during a failed robbery attempt. Innis was only twenty

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seven years old. So what Miss Charlie was saying here,

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I understand what she's saying. Now. All she could think

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of was Bill Cosby and he had just gone through

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this with his son, and now here she is with

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her son basically the same age. And her whole thing was, Oh,

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my god, I don't want to go through what Bill

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Cosby just went through. I don't want to feel that.

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I don't want I don't want that to happen to

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my baby boy. So as Jason's mama was coming to

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grips with the horrors she was likely to face when

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she arrived at that hospital. The detectives were on the

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scene trying to determine what had happened to Jason, and

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as most of you are probably wondering, why why did

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this happen? They were at a red light? What could

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have possibly gone down? Now, to be completely transparent, there's

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not a lot I have on exactly how the investigative process,

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you know, went step by step. Because this is an

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older case. I think that's probably why. But due to

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I guess my experiences, I'm going to pretty much put

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together how I think this went down. I may be

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off a little bit, but we're just going to go

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with filling in the gaps. But I'm not making anything up,

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if that makes sense. So at the gas station, there

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was closed circuit television that cc titer that I told

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you about, and so remember the men stopped there right

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before Jason was stabbed. So the friends on scene were

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easily able to describe the suspect. They were able to

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describe what vehicle he was driving, and they also were

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able to tell police, Hey, we stopped at a gas

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station right before we came here, so it would make

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sense that police would go back to pull that closed

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circuit television, which is exactly what they did. So when

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you go look at the closed circuit television, you can

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see all the people that were inside, and then you

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can probably see the vehicles that were outside in the

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parking lot. It was pretty easy to see a connection

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here that the vehicle that pulled up next to Jason

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when he was stabbed was the same vehicle that that woman, Tammy,

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that was in front of Jason got into that Ah, okay,

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you see how that kind of went down. So it

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was at this point police are like, all right, well

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we want to go talk to Tammy. We want to

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figure out, well, what's going on here, So let's talk

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a little bit about Tammy. Tammy is a white woman

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in the CCTV. She looks to be in her late thirties,

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maybe her early forties. You only kind of get the

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back of her head a lot of it, and she's

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got that curly brown hair. It kind of looks like

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every woman in a bar in the late eighties that

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she looked hard, like she was rode hard and put

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up wet. How you want me to say it people,

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I'm trying, all right. So police wanted to dig deeper

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into kind of what she was about, and so they

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found that she had a living boyfriend who was forty

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three year old Gary Black. Now Gary was no church

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boy by any stretch of the imagination. Matter of fact,

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digging deeper into Gary's lifestyle, it would become quite apparent

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that he was a quite unlikable fella. And his job,

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if you were curious, was he was a pimp. Pimp pimp.

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I wonder if you put that on his tax returns. So,

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to be honest, I'm gonna tell you something real quick,

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I'm not sure that they were actually boyfriend and girlfriend.

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I felt I feel like this was more of like

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a pimp prostitute situation because guess what, Tammy was a prostitute.

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She was out there tooting around town and they just

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happened to live together. I don't think so. So I

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felt like this was more of, like I said, a

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pimp prostitute relationship. They lived together and they were both

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known to be methadicts, So you're kind of seeing what

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I'm what I'm going at here. So this this whole

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pimp prostitute thing could honestly be like an entire episode

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in and of itself. But I'm gonna give you a

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brief look real quick into the lifestyle of the pimp,

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because something that I've learned is that a lot of

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people don't actually understand what pimp and prostitute role is.

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We almost people dress up as it for Halloween. We

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kind of laugh about it almost in a way, and

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it is funny to see people dressed up as a

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pimp because it's so ludicrous. But the reality is some

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people are actually living this lifestyle. So I'm going to

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take the time to explain this because it's going to

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play an indirect role in the outcome of the case.

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All Right, pimps are always going to refer to the

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prostitutes that they control as their girlfriends or as their women.

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They'll say, and the pimps are going to say, my boyfriend.

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Why because they're not going to admit to the police

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or to other people that they're being controlled by this

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other male. So they're going to make it like it's

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a relationship. And the reality is that a lot of

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people get it in their head that prostitutes are kind

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of like the movie Pretty Women, that they have Hearts

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of Gold and that they're just on hard times. But

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that's not always the case, and very rarely is prostitution

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anything like the movie Pretty Women are Pretty Women. These

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are typically drug addicted women who sell their bodies in

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exchange for money and more likely dope. Okay, nobody becomes

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a prostitute for the money. These women become prostitutes because

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they are addicted and they will do anything to get

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the dope. That's why they're doing it. And the thing is,

463
00:26:08.839 --> 00:26:11.200
it's tough out there on these streets, and it's a

464
00:26:11.240 --> 00:26:15.039
really hard business to be in. Prostitutes get killed, they

465
00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:17.279
get beat up, you know, it's like being in prison.

466
00:26:17.359 --> 00:26:20.039
You have to make some sort of alliance for safety reasons.

467
00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:24.400
That's the reality of it. And so there's even a

468
00:26:24.440 --> 00:26:28.640
lot of there's a lot of studies that are literally

469
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:32.519
dedicated to prostitution and the role of the pimp and prostitution,

470
00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:36.200
But the average citizen isn't gonna go research to get

471
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:38.400
these realities of prostitutions. But I wanted to give you

472
00:26:38.440 --> 00:26:40.240
a couple of stats here to put it into perspective.

473
00:26:40.640 --> 00:26:44.839
There's an organization called the Whisper Organization, and they found

474
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:50.400
that ninety percent of prostitutes are pimp controlled ninety percent.

475
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:53.480
That's why I'm telling you what I'm telling you about

476
00:26:53.480 --> 00:26:56.359
this boyfriend girlfriend relationship. I just don't buy it. The

477
00:26:56.519 --> 00:27:00.000
US Department of Justice even contends their data is that

478
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:05.359
at fifty percent of prostitution is controlled by pimps. Obviously,

479
00:27:05.359 --> 00:27:07.720
though if you're not someone who's ever done this type

480
00:27:07.720 --> 00:27:10.839
of studying, it's a social science that's driven by data

481
00:27:10.920 --> 00:27:15.039
that we collect through interviews with prostitutes. So it makes

482
00:27:15.279 --> 00:27:18.000
data collection kind of iffy, But there's still a trend

483
00:27:18.000 --> 00:27:22.359
here that you're seeing. Okay, either way, whatever their relationship was,

484
00:27:22.880 --> 00:27:25.920
a warrant was cut for the arrest of Gary Black

485
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:29.599
because he was the boyfriend and he was the one

486
00:27:29.640 --> 00:27:32.039
in the car with her. They were able to track

487
00:27:32.160 --> 00:27:35.279
him down in Oklahoma and they did place him under

488
00:27:35.359 --> 00:27:39.880
arrest for that Missouri warrant that they had cut. Now,

489
00:27:39.880 --> 00:27:43.119
I know I've mentioned search incidental to arrest before, but

490
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:46.480
kind of in that realm of things, while they were taken,

491
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:48.720
the police were taking inventory of the things inside of

492
00:27:48.799 --> 00:27:53.920
Gary's car. Police located none other than an empty knife sheath. Now,

493
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:55.720
I don't believe in coincidences. I tell you that all

494
00:27:55.759 --> 00:27:59.720
the time, and neither should you. When police took Tammy

495
00:27:59.720 --> 00:28:02.759
aside and they were questioning her, she told them that

496
00:28:02.799 --> 00:28:06.440
she was in the car when the vehicle stopped and

497
00:28:06.440 --> 00:28:09.039
when the stabbing took place, and she said, and look,

498
00:28:09.079 --> 00:28:11.720
after we drove away, Gary had thrown the knife into

499
00:28:11.759 --> 00:28:15.799
a grassy area that was near a cemetery. Where's the cemetery, Tammy?

500
00:28:15.920 --> 00:28:18.519
She said, it's about twenty blocks from where the stabbing occurred.

501
00:28:18.559 --> 00:28:21.880
And she was able to give that information. So police

502
00:28:21.880 --> 00:28:25.640
went on their way trying to find that knife. Back

503
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.720
at the hospital, Jason's family was praying for a miracle,

504
00:28:30.519 --> 00:28:34.319
but that miracle would not come. Doctors spoke with the

505
00:28:34.359 --> 00:28:36.680
parents and they had to break the news that their

506
00:28:36.759 --> 00:28:41.880
son was going to remain in a vegetative state for

507
00:28:41.960 --> 00:28:46.119
the rest of his life because he had severe brain

508
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.519
damage from the loss of oxygen, and because of that

509
00:28:49.559 --> 00:28:51.960
loss of oxygen and because of the lack of the

510
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:56.799
blood flowing, he had suffered multiple strokes. And he was

511
00:28:56.880 --> 00:29:02.000
currently alive simply because he was on life support. So

512
00:29:02.079 --> 00:29:06.920
his parents made the heartbreaking decision that having him alive

513
00:29:07.640 --> 00:29:10.920
and in a vegetative state was just not what was

514
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:15.799
best for him. Mss Charlie said, my son was lively,

515
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.039
and he was loving, and he was playful, and this

516
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:21.279
is not the life he would want. He would not

517
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:25.319
want to do this. And I admire a mother's wherewithal

518
00:29:26.599 --> 00:29:29.440
to differentiate between wanting her son with her so bad,

519
00:29:29.839 --> 00:29:32.240
but understanding that that's not what was best for him.

520
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.519
She took self out of it. She recognized he was

521
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.599
only remaining alive because of the machinery and the life support,

522
00:29:42.480 --> 00:29:44.880
and in order to even keep him alive and sustain

523
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:48.759
his life, he would need great amounts of medical intervention

524
00:29:49.279 --> 00:29:53.519
along the way. So she made the decision and his

525
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.960
daddy made the decision that they would remove the life support,

526
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:00.799
and three days after Jason was stabbed in the neck stranger,

527
00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:05.599
he was pronounced dead at the hospital. His mama said

528
00:30:05.680 --> 00:30:10.559
later in an interview, this is a quote I remember saying,

529
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.799
Jesus is waiting on you. He's waiting on you, and

530
00:30:13.839 --> 00:30:17.920
it's gonna be okay. And that's when my son took

531
00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.799
his last breath. I was there when my baby took

532
00:30:21.839 --> 00:30:25.480
his first breath, and unfortunately, I was there when my

533
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:30.039
baby took his last breath. So on October the fifth

534
00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:35.400
of nineteen ninety eight, Jason Johnson was pronounced dead. This

535
00:30:35.559 --> 00:30:39.319
was no longer now a serious assault with a deadly

536
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.839
weapon or anything of that nature. This was a murder.

537
00:30:43.240 --> 00:30:45.920
So police did more questioning to find out what led

538
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:52.559
to this stabbing, and it turns out what Tammy had

539
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:58.000
to say is so vile. It is so vile in

540
00:30:58.079 --> 00:31:01.480
conjunction with what Gary had to say that I know

541
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:06.160
for a fact that evil is real and this case

542
00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:11.519
will serve as proof to you. Tammy claimed that while

543
00:31:11.559 --> 00:31:15.400
they were in the gas station, Jason made an unwanted

544
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:20.000
sexual advance towards her and she was hurt by this,

545
00:31:20.880 --> 00:31:25.680
and that Gary took it upon himself to address it. Now,

546
00:31:25.799 --> 00:31:29.319
the reason I find her statement so incredibly vile is because,

547
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.240
like I told you, I've watched the video, I've watched

548
00:31:32.240 --> 00:31:35.119
the supposed interaction at the gas station, and the answer

549
00:31:35.200 --> 00:31:39.079
is there was none. There was no interaction between the

550
00:31:39.079 --> 00:31:43.920
two of them. Jason did nothing to that woman, and

551
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.480
that fact that she would make this up and it

552
00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:51.599
then in turn resulted in Jason's death, I find that

553
00:31:51.680 --> 00:32:00.640
to be disgusting. Yet, when Jason exited the store, that's

554
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:04.359
when Tammy went back to the car. With Gary and

555
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:08.599
pointed him out and said, that's him. That's the guy

556
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:12.240
that made a pass at me. It did not happen.

557
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:17.759
I am telling you, it did not happen. When people lie, y'all,

558
00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:20.960
it makes me so angry. And when a woman lies

559
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:24.839
at a level like this, it pisces me off. This

560
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.200
is the same type of nonsense that got emit Till killed.

561
00:32:30.079 --> 00:32:31.960
And if you're not, if you don't know that case

562
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:33.400
and its role in history, you need to go do

563
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:38.559
a little research on that. So Gary, under question it

564
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:40.480
and real quick, let me go back to And she's

565
00:32:40.559 --> 00:32:42.839
also the type of woman that makes it really hard

566
00:32:42.880 --> 00:32:48.119
for legitimate sexual assault victims. She's doing a disservice to

567
00:32:48.240 --> 00:32:55.759
every woman. It's it's it's disgusting. So Gary, then under questioning,

568
00:32:56.559 --> 00:33:00.519
would start explaining that Tammy, you're gonna love. This's ready.

569
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:04.599
Tammy wasn't his girlfriend, Like off the top, he says,

570
00:33:04.640 --> 00:33:08.359
that ain't my girlfriend. He said she's a prostitute and

571
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:11.640
I was thinking about taking her under my wing. So

572
00:33:11.640 --> 00:33:16.119
we'll just start there, okay. His account of things is

573
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:20.480
that he was working in his pimp roll when they

574
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.440
stopped at the gas station. He said Tammy needed cigarettes,

575
00:33:24.079 --> 00:33:26.119
and then when she came out of the store, she

576
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:30.119
was clearly upset and said that a black man rubbed

577
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:33.240
up on her butt, and so she turned around to

578
00:33:33.279 --> 00:33:36.119
tell him to get away from her, and at that

579
00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:40.720
point that black man grabbed her, grabbed her by her hand,

580
00:33:41.039 --> 00:33:44.839
and pushed her up against the counter. And that's when

581
00:33:44.880 --> 00:33:48.240
Gary said, that's when I realized that that black guy

582
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:54.400
was trying to take my prostitute as his own. Are

583
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.680
you listening to what I am telling you? Jason did

584
00:33:59.759 --> 00:34:05.240
nothing of the sort. These two fucking cuckoo could choose

585
00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:13.199
are out on another planet. And that's when Gary said,

586
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:17.119
that's completely unacceptable in my world. He's not going to

587
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:21.679
do that to me on my turf, So he said,

588
00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:25.480
when the black guy exited the store, he said, boy,

589
00:34:25.519 --> 00:34:29.679
I want to talk to you, and that's when he said.

590
00:34:29.800 --> 00:34:33.039
Jason tore off, running and jumped into a brand new

591
00:34:33.159 --> 00:34:38.199
Ranger truck. He told Tammy get in and they tore

592
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:40.119
off following that truck. He said, we caught up within

593
00:34:40.159 --> 00:34:42.599
about five seconds of the time that we drove off,

594
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:46.400
and I pulled up alongside him at the light, and

595
00:34:46.440 --> 00:34:48.679
he admitted he said Tammy was screaming, oh God, please

596
00:34:48.719 --> 00:34:50.800
don't do this. Well, you know what, Tammy, you should

597
00:34:50.840 --> 00:34:52.760
have been screaming, Oh God, please don't do this, because

598
00:34:52.800 --> 00:34:58.079
you are a liar. But he looked at Tammy and

599
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.960
he said, I reassured her I was about to kill

600
00:35:00.239 --> 00:35:02.559
his black ass. That's a quote from him, not me.

601
00:35:04.960 --> 00:35:07.000
Gary then said he stepped out of the car, but

602
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.119
the quote black guy stepped out with a bottle wrapped

603
00:35:10.119 --> 00:35:13.559
in a brown paper bag. End quote. Gary said, that's

604
00:35:13.559 --> 00:35:15.320
when that black man yelled out at me, you want

605
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:17.760
some of me, old man. And he said it made

606
00:35:17.760 --> 00:35:21.480
me mad, so he said nothing but your bucking ass. Boy,

607
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:23.280
I can't help it. But the way that this guy's

608
00:35:23.280 --> 00:35:25.920
telling the story, I can't help it. I'm envisioning Yosemite

609
00:35:25.920 --> 00:35:28.119
sam Oh. I say, boy, this is what I did.

610
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:30.639
But like he's such an ignorant ass. And if you're

611
00:35:30.679 --> 00:35:36.400
looking at him while he talks, he's smug. He looks

612
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:43.519
like everyone from the backwoods racist villa of anywhere. Bald

613
00:35:43.559 --> 00:35:46.880
on top, long hair on the sides. Just gross, just

614
00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:50.280
absolutely gross. And he said, that's when the black guy

615
00:35:50.400 --> 00:35:53.079
swung the beer bottle. But I dropped down to my

616
00:35:53.159 --> 00:35:56.239
knee and raising up with my blade already out, I

617
00:35:56.360 --> 00:36:01.840
stabbed over my shoulder, Like, what, what are you a ninja?

618
00:36:02.280 --> 00:36:05.400
Is that what you're claiming happened here? He claimed he

619
00:36:05.480 --> 00:36:08.119
swung up over his shoulder, which is why the blade

620
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:12.719
landed into the side of the guy's neck. So, asking

621
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:15.199
what happened next, he said, well, that's when the arterial

622
00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:17.920
spray of blood it just shot out everywhere. It was

623
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:20.519
like four four to six feet. It was just spraying

624
00:36:20.519 --> 00:36:23.840
out like a garden hose. And he said, I stepped back,

625
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:27.000
and that's when the guy staggered back towards his truck.

626
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.480
So I got in the car, threw the knife on

627
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:31.760
the dash, I closed the door, and it was all

628
00:36:31.800 --> 00:36:34.119
in self defense. If he hadn't charged at me, I

629
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:40.159
wouldn't have stabbed him. All right, Cool, I'm gonna tell

630
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:42.480
you real quick, it's really hard to believe this because

631
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:44.599
if you look at the crime scene photos, there's a

632
00:36:44.599 --> 00:36:49.000
ton of blood in the truck where Jason was sitting. So,

633
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:51.199
I mean, you don't have to be a rocket scientist

634
00:36:51.239 --> 00:36:54.480
to figure that out. If he was stabbed running towards Gary,

635
00:36:55.199 --> 00:36:58.280
then wouldn't the blood be there if he came up

636
00:36:58.320 --> 00:37:00.559
in his amazing ninja move and stabbed him in the neck.

637
00:37:00.599 --> 00:37:03.000
Why was the blood in the car? Just gonna throw

638
00:37:03.039 --> 00:37:04.599
that out there. I do have the photos. I'll put

639
00:37:04.639 --> 00:37:11.280
on patron for you. But then he says something right

640
00:37:11.360 --> 00:37:14.119
after that last statement of self defense that made my

641
00:37:14.199 --> 00:37:17.719
head literally snap back, like almost in a visceral response,

642
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:21.440
where I said, excuse me, I could not believe he

643
00:37:21.519 --> 00:37:26.840
said it. He said at that point Tammy was panicking

644
00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:30.360
and said, oh my god, what happened. And that's when

645
00:37:30.400 --> 00:37:33.920
he openly admitted And this is a direct quote, and

646
00:37:33.960 --> 00:37:36.079
I won't use the language, but you'll get the gist

647
00:37:36.159 --> 00:37:40.719
of it. He said, quote nothing, honey, It's just another

648
00:37:41.519 --> 00:37:50.440
in word down end quote. Even if I was on

649
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:54.039
board and willing to believe parts of his story, or

650
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:57.119
if I was even willing to entertain the self defense

651
00:37:57.320 --> 00:38:00.000
claims and try to put that into a plausible thing,

652
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:05.679
that line and the use of that word against that

653
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:10.960
man that he just murdered, throughout everything in terms of

654
00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:15.119
credibility for me as a human being, I have goosebumps.

655
00:38:15.119 --> 00:38:16.840
If you're watching me on patree, if you're watching me

656
00:38:18.480 --> 00:38:21.440
podcast right now, I have literal goosebumps. I cannot believe

657
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.360
that someone would say that I can, But are you

658
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:27.920
kidding me? What would make you even think someone would

659
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:33.960
align with your thought process there? So I sat on

660
00:38:34.000 --> 00:38:35.400
that for a second trying to figure it out. And

661
00:38:35.400 --> 00:38:37.840
so I'm like, either he's a flaming racist, which doesn't

662
00:38:37.840 --> 00:38:40.039
look good for him, or he's trying to just be

663
00:38:40.119 --> 00:38:43.760
billy badass, which also doesn't look good for him. So

664
00:38:43.960 --> 00:38:46.599
I'm not sure why you would say that last line. Anyway.

665
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:48.199
The only thing it proved to me is that you

666
00:38:48.199 --> 00:38:53.159
have hate in your heart. Gary, You're hateful. That line

667
00:38:53.360 --> 00:38:59.039
and self defense cannot coincide. They just can't. And I

668
00:38:59.079 --> 00:39:03.039
did so much research on Jason. I spent so much

669
00:39:03.079 --> 00:39:05.239
time getting to know him as a human being. I

670
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:07.920
never met him in this lifetime, but I certainly got

671
00:39:07.960 --> 00:39:10.800
to know him through court records and interviews with his

672
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:14.079
mother and other, you know, media methods of research that

673
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:16.360
I did. And what I can tell you for a

674
00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.480
fact is that this man that he referred to as

675
00:39:20.519 --> 00:39:25.239
the in word is one of the most vile. It's

676
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:27.239
one of the most vile things that I have encountered.

677
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.320
And I think, considering the stories that I tell on

678
00:39:29.360 --> 00:39:33.000
this podcast, it says a lot. It's just so it's

679
00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:39.679
so ill fitting and inappropriate. To have total and complete

680
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.760
disregard for the life of another human being is something

681
00:39:43.800 --> 00:39:47.679
I just can't relate, you know. It kind of makes

682
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:49.840
me think of that. There's a y'all listen to Billie Eilish.

683
00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:51.840
I don't know, maybe you don't, but there's a song

684
00:39:51.920 --> 00:39:58.519
she does, and she she says, you know, I can't

685
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:03.039
relate to you, no, because I'd never treat me this shity,

686
00:40:03.679 --> 00:40:06.199
and that line just sticks with me. I cannot relate

687
00:40:06.239 --> 00:40:10.360
to him. I just can't understand being so hateful towards

688
00:40:10.400 --> 00:40:14.079
another human being and knowing that you've killed him, and

689
00:40:14.159 --> 00:40:18.079
yet you refer to him as a racial slur. And

690
00:40:18.119 --> 00:40:20.480
it tells me everything I need to know about you,

691
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.639
Gary Black. You are a racist and you are a

692
00:40:24.679 --> 00:40:29.760
hateful human being. But what if, if you're not already

693
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:34.239
just disgusted, what if I told you that this wasn't

694
00:40:34.280 --> 00:40:40.599
Gary's first time in deep trouble with the law. I

695
00:40:40.639 --> 00:40:42.920
will stand and die on this hill, and I don't

696
00:40:42.920 --> 00:40:45.599
give a shit who doesn't agree with me. I will

697
00:40:45.639 --> 00:40:49.559
preach harsher penalties until the cows come home. And this

698
00:40:49.639 --> 00:40:54.000
case will serve as just another great example why before

699
00:40:54.039 --> 00:40:56.360
I even get to the outcome of Jason's murder case,

700
00:40:56.559 --> 00:40:58.960
I feel compelled that I have to I have to

701
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:04.039
tell you there's more to this story. When the justice

702
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:06.840
system fails to do what it is supposed to do,

703
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:12.199
and when people are not held completely, fully responsible in full,

704
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:15.480
if they do not pay in full for the crimes

705
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:18.960
that they commit, it leaves room for people like Jason

706
00:41:19.039 --> 00:41:23.840
Johnson to be murdered. So what exactly am I talking about? Well, guys,

707
00:41:24.559 --> 00:41:28.320
the more you research, the more you know. And this

708
00:41:28.400 --> 00:41:33.400
led me to realize that Gary was already an established criminal.

709
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:38.239
Do any of my listeners see a trend here? Why

710
00:41:38.280 --> 00:41:42.840
do these people get to offend over and over again?

711
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:47.000
A simple check into Gary's past verifies that he not

712
00:41:47.039 --> 00:41:49.519
only has a long criminal behavior, but he has a

713
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:54.679
long violent behavior. In March of nineteen seventy six, on

714
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:59.719
a Friday night, Jackie Clark Webb was driving through town

715
00:42:00.119 --> 00:42:02.639
in hopes of showing his girlfriend a good night out,

716
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:06.920
and while driving, they came to a stop at kind

717
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.360
of an off the beaten path and behind them a

718
00:42:10.440 --> 00:42:14.079
vehicle pulled in and blocked them in. They didn't know

719
00:42:14.079 --> 00:42:18.119
who this was, so he turns and he looks out

720
00:42:18.119 --> 00:42:21.599
the window, and that's when another man approached them, and

721
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:24.880
before he could even say anything or react, that man

722
00:42:24.920 --> 00:42:30.159
put a sawed off shotgun in Jackie's face and then

723
00:42:31.039 --> 00:42:37.519
claimed to be a police officer. Being a good decent

724
00:42:37.639 --> 00:42:40.840
person Jackie, by the way, who grew up to be

725
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:47.480
a high ranking firefighting firefighter, he followed what this person

726
00:42:47.559 --> 00:42:49.519
was telling him to do because he respected the law

727
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:52.960
and he respected law enforcement. That man made him get

728
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:55.519
out of the car, pushed him up against it, and

729
00:42:55.559 --> 00:43:00.119
made him stand spread eagle with his hands up. And

730
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:04.199
at that point, the so called police officer, obviously a lie,

731
00:43:04.679 --> 00:43:07.760
kept that shotgun in his face while he stole Jackie's

732
00:43:07.760 --> 00:43:13.679
wallet and the keys to his car. It's sick, but

733
00:43:13.719 --> 00:43:17.440
that's not even the worst part. He then, after taking

734
00:43:17.599 --> 00:43:22.960
exactly what he wanted from Jackie, shot him with the shotgun.

735
00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:27.199
Jackie collapsed on the side of the road. The man

736
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:31.280
jumped in the car and he sped away. There in

737
00:43:31.320 --> 00:43:36.039
the dark. Jackie lay alone, dying, and he knew it.

738
00:43:37.039 --> 00:43:40.800
He couldn't get help for himself, and he felt that

739
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:46.039
slow creep of death upon him in the dark, by

740
00:43:46.159 --> 00:43:53.239
himself on an unbeaten path. Lucky for him. I guess

741
00:43:53.280 --> 00:43:58.000
God right. Someone called paramedics. They found him and they

742
00:43:58.079 --> 00:44:01.719
rushed him to the hospital, where they found over forty

743
00:44:02.079 --> 00:44:07.840
pellets in his body, including two in his heart. He

744
00:44:07.960 --> 00:44:11.039
had to have his spleen removed and they had to

745
00:44:11.079 --> 00:44:15.599
take away half of his lung. I don't know what

746
00:44:15.719 --> 00:44:19.400
he was thinking while he lay there in the dark,

747
00:44:20.559 --> 00:44:23.760
but I do know what he was feeling, because Jackie

748
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:30.840
amazingly survived, and he talked about how cold he became.

749
00:44:31.079 --> 00:44:33.239
He was laying on the ground in a pool of

750
00:44:33.280 --> 00:44:36.519
his own blood, and he said, I felt cold, just

751
00:44:36.559 --> 00:44:40.599
start creeping up my arms. Eventually my arms were numb,

752
00:44:40.679 --> 00:44:44.920
I couldn't feel them, and then my body became so cold,

753
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.239
and I just knew. I knew I was dying, but

754
00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:53.000
I couldn't move, I couldn't do anything. But he lived.

755
00:44:53.599 --> 00:44:58.920
He made it, and the police would later identify none

756
00:44:58.920 --> 00:45:02.280
other than that son of a bitch, Gary Black I've

757
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:08.559
been talking about as the assailant, and after fully expecting

758
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:13.519
to murder Jackie, he left him on the side of

759
00:45:13.559 --> 00:45:18.239
the road for dead, but Jackie lived. I want you

760
00:45:18.320 --> 00:45:22.039
to ask me what was he sentenced to for pulling

761
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:26.320
someone over, robbing them and then shooting them with a

762
00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.400
sawed off shotgun. I want you to ask me what

763
00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:37.360
the penalty was? You ready twenty five years? You ready

764
00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:41.440
for this? And it's more common than you think. He

765
00:45:41.519 --> 00:45:50.360
was released after only serving twelve years. How long do

766
00:45:50.400 --> 00:45:54.559
you think the recovery period was for Jackie? Because I'm

767
00:45:54.599 --> 00:45:58.360
gonna argue maybe the bad guy should stay behind bars

768
00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:05.800
at least until this victim is recovered. The dude lost along,

769
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:08.559
he had to have surgery. I have some pictures with

770
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.159
the scars. It's incredible. And he served twelve years. And

771
00:46:13.199 --> 00:46:16.199
this is why my podcast I feel so passionate about it.

772
00:46:16.280 --> 00:46:19.840
And it's so important to understand sentencing and parole opportunities

773
00:46:19.880 --> 00:46:22.079
and what all of that means. And if you don't

774
00:46:22.119 --> 00:46:25.760
know what good time means or double good time means, respectively,

775
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.840
let me let you in on a little something. Good time.

776
00:46:29.679 --> 00:46:33.880
This is real. Good time is a reward for prisoners

777
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:38.719
who exhibit good behavior, such as following rules, they participate

778
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:41.880
in programs, if they complete their job assignment. So it's

779
00:46:41.920 --> 00:46:48.000
basically a earn an early released credit system. For example,

780
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.159
I'm in Louisiana. Last time I checked, an inmate gets

781
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:55.679
thirteen days of credit for every seven days they are

782
00:46:55.679 --> 00:47:03.519
an actual custody served. Now, this does not count in

783
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:06.239
violent offenses in Louisiana. As matter of fact, I did

784
00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:09.199
some research on this, and I think the laws have

785
00:47:09.440 --> 00:47:12.159
just been updated in twenty twenty four legislative session. But

786
00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:14.760
still they're good for seven days behind bars, so they

787
00:47:14.800 --> 00:47:17.079
get thirteen days credit. I wish I could go to

788
00:47:17.119 --> 00:47:20.639
fucking work work seven days, get paid for thirteen. That'd

789
00:47:20.679 --> 00:47:24.360
be great. But no, I don't get that. But they

790
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:33.960
get the credit for acting normal, for acting normal, and considering,

791
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.519
I'm gonna be honest, considering when this case took place,

792
00:47:36.519 --> 00:47:38.239
I don't even know if good time was a thing then,

793
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.440
but he definitely got out early, and he only served

794
00:47:42.159 --> 00:47:46.039
just at half his sentence. Something was in play. So

795
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:52.159
Jackie nearly dies, suffers tremendously, and his attempted killer does

796
00:47:52.239 --> 00:47:55.320
only half of his sentates. Tell me what I'm missing here?

797
00:47:56.719 --> 00:48:00.840
Tell me if Gary Black hadn't been released early, then

798
00:48:00.840 --> 00:48:02.519
he wouldn't have been out on the streets to do

799
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:05.920
what he did to Jason. Period. It wouldn't have happened.

800
00:48:05.960 --> 00:48:10.000
It couldn't have happened. Do you recall my older cases

801
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:13.199
I've done Reagan toakes, maybe comes to mind that she

802
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.559
was raped and murdered and by an offender who should

803
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:22.800
have already been behind bars and been tracked like we

804
00:48:22.880 --> 00:48:27.719
need to get a grip in society. Going back to

805
00:48:27.800 --> 00:48:31.639
Jason's case, Tammy Lawson later told police during questioning that

806
00:48:31.800 --> 00:48:35.840
Gary's anger increased when Jason allegedly yelled at them, and

807
00:48:35.880 --> 00:48:38.400
she said that Jason screamed out calling her a bitch

808
00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:41.119
and a whore, and the two men exchanged words from

809
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:43.920
the vehicles. Well, seeing what I saw on the tape

810
00:48:43.920 --> 00:48:46.679
from the gas station and knowing her relationship with Gary,

811
00:48:46.960 --> 00:48:49.960
it looks like she actually is a lying bitch and

812
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:52.679
a whore. If I'm being honest, I don't think Jason

813
00:48:52.800 --> 00:48:54.480
really said it, but if he did, it also looks

814
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:57.519
like he might have been spot on. Sorry, not sorry,

815
00:48:57.960 --> 00:49:02.199
I said what I said. This case, it did end

816
00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:05.280
up going to trial, and Gary stood by his self

817
00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:10.159
defense claim, but the jury saw straight through it. Something

818
00:49:10.199 --> 00:49:14.519
I noted is that even after all of the years

819
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:18.159
of court, which I'll explain a second, was a long time.

820
00:49:19.840 --> 00:49:23.960
Even after everything that had gone down, Gary Black knew

821
00:49:24.119 --> 00:49:28.159
Jason Johnson's name, but he continues to refer to him

822
00:49:28.199 --> 00:49:32.000
as the black guy. He doesn't even have the decency

823
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:38.440
of using Jason's name. I would also like to tell

824
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:41.079
you this, It couldn't have been a self defense case.

825
00:49:41.119 --> 00:49:44.760
You know why, because Gary followed Jason for over a

826
00:49:44.960 --> 00:49:49.000
mile for nearly ten minutes before getting out of his car,

827
00:49:49.119 --> 00:49:51.840
walking over, reaching through the window, and stabbing Jason in

828
00:49:51.920 --> 00:49:55.840
the neck. They don't align whatsoever. That's not self defense.

829
00:49:55.840 --> 00:50:02.000
You don't follow someone in self defense. But this case

830
00:50:02.039 --> 00:50:05.239
would eventually be turned over to an all white jury,

831
00:50:05.880 --> 00:50:08.719
And let me tell you something. In less than two hours,

832
00:50:09.119 --> 00:50:12.599
that all white jury found Gary Black guilty of the

833
00:50:12.599 --> 00:50:17.280
first degree murder of Jason Johnson. And during the penalty phase,

834
00:50:17.760 --> 00:50:21.159
the jury cided two statutory aggravators, meaning two things that

835
00:50:21.199 --> 00:50:26.400
made it worse to them. One his previous serious assault

836
00:50:26.400 --> 00:50:31.639
of convictions and number two is just absolute depravity of mind.

837
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:35.599
In essence, what that jury said was he was just pure,

838
00:50:35.840 --> 00:50:39.960
consistent evil. That jury may have been all white, but honey,

839
00:50:40.079 --> 00:50:43.599
all they saw was red. This case was legitimate good

840
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:46.960
versus evil. Jason's mom matter of fact, didn't even ask

841
00:50:47.000 --> 00:50:49.840
for the death penalty, but the jury gave it. Anyway,

842
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:55.000
We could all applaud now right, but you always know

843
00:50:55.079 --> 00:50:59.760
there's more with me. He would eventually appeal his death

844
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:05.599
pen three times until the state decided to offer him

845
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:10.000
a plea deal. If he would admit guilt in exchange,

846
00:51:10.199 --> 00:51:12.400
they would give him life in prison and take him

847
00:51:12.440 --> 00:51:15.519
off of death row. And guess what it was, it

848
00:51:15.559 --> 00:51:21.159
was accepted. This is when I just I'm telling y'all,

849
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.840
I'm gonna die of a heart attack because this is

850
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.679
the shit that makes me just want to explode. Gary's

851
00:51:28.760 --> 00:51:33.920
own attorney spoke out against the death penalty, saying, what

852
00:51:34.039 --> 00:51:39.239
good does it do to kill somebody who's killed somebody else? Well,

853
00:51:39.880 --> 00:51:44.000
to me, the answer lies in this very story. If

854
00:51:44.000 --> 00:51:46.360
they would have killed Gary the first time he tried

855
00:51:46.400 --> 00:51:48.679
to kill someone, he wouldn't have had the chance to

856
00:51:48.719 --> 00:51:53.360
get out and actually kill a second person. That's what

857
00:51:53.480 --> 00:51:59.920
good it does. It stops violent offenders. He then went

858
00:52:00.199 --> 00:52:02.880
on to say that there's no magic wand that we

859
00:52:02.960 --> 00:52:08.320
can wave to know if someone will reoffend or not. Well, uh,

860
00:52:08.360 --> 00:52:13.519
there kinda is. It's called a custody behavior report. Are

861
00:52:13.559 --> 00:52:17.039
you curious to know how Greg acted behind bars? Are

862
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.960
you curious? Because I can share some insight I've got

863
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:22.920
my magic glittery wand and I'm ready to amaze you

864
00:52:22.960 --> 00:52:26.760
with some facts. Gary broke a broom handle over the

865
00:52:26.760 --> 00:52:29.440
head of another inmate in nineteen eighty two during a fight.

866
00:52:30.800 --> 00:52:33.599
In nineteen eighty six, he admitted to beating the shit

867
00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:38.079
out of another prisoner. He was investigated for stabbing an

868
00:52:38.119 --> 00:52:42.760
inmate in nineteen ninety three. In nineteen ninety five, he

869
00:52:42.880 --> 00:52:49.280
was placed in disciplinary segregation for fighting other prisoners and

870
00:52:49.440 --> 00:52:56.639
while awaiting trial for Jason's murder. While awaiting trial for murder,

871
00:52:57.639 --> 00:53:01.000
he attacked one of the jailers in injuring him so

872
00:53:01.239 --> 00:53:09.519
badly that it left his left eye impaired permanently. So

873
00:53:09.719 --> 00:53:12.320
I guess, bippity boppity boom, motherfuckers, I guess you know.

874
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:16.440
How's that's for some magic insight for you. I don't

875
00:53:16.480 --> 00:53:19.239
even know what to say. It blows my mind. I

876
00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.280
can add a little extra sorcery on top of it.

877
00:53:21.360 --> 00:53:24.920
How about some context clues. How about we look at

878
00:53:24.920 --> 00:53:29.199
how Gary chooses to decorate his body. Tattoos are amazing

879
00:53:29.239 --> 00:53:32.119
sources of trickery. I guess that this attorney isn't ready

880
00:53:32.159 --> 00:53:37.480
for Gary is a white supremacist. It's through and through

881
00:53:37.559 --> 00:53:40.559
you can. It's documented all over his body. He's got

882
00:53:40.719 --> 00:53:45.960
vast artwork, including the double lightning bolts the Nazi the

883
00:53:46.039 --> 00:53:48.639
Nazi lightning bolts common indicators of the AB or the

884
00:53:48.679 --> 00:53:50.840
one two. Whereas people would call it on the street,

885
00:53:50.880 --> 00:53:54.559
I guess the Aryan Brotherhood. The average Joe doesn't, I

886
00:53:54.559 --> 00:54:00.559
guess look for this. Even the prison. The prison uses

887
00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:07.119
him by name Gary Black. The prison specifically specifically uses

888
00:54:07.119 --> 00:54:12.719
his name as a case study for jailers and correctional officers.

889
00:54:13.079 --> 00:54:15.440
They use him as a case study because when they

890
00:54:15.440 --> 00:54:19.679
are talking about the master manipulation tools of inmates behind bars,

891
00:54:19.920 --> 00:54:25.880
he is literally their poster child. A quote from one

892
00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:28.880
of the captains that has overseen Gary behind bars for

893
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:32.480
years said, and this is a direct quote. She said, quote,

894
00:54:32.519 --> 00:54:36.000
you know, we have some behavior modification techniques that's basically

895
00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:39.000
like loss of privileges, so we don't let him out

896
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:42.960
of their cell for many hours. But Gary doesn't care

897
00:54:43.880 --> 00:54:47.280
if they take away anything from him. Gary doesn't care.

898
00:54:48.960 --> 00:54:53.519
Even if he gets locked in a cell by himself,

899
00:54:53.960 --> 00:54:56.639
he yells out and he gets other inmates I'm assuming

900
00:54:56.679 --> 00:54:59.639
ones that are also Arian Brotherhood because they work together.

901
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:02.159
He gets other inmates to go and do his bidding

902
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:05.119
for him. And this is a quote that she said

903
00:55:05.119 --> 00:55:08.400
that stuck with me. She said he lives on the

904
00:55:08.440 --> 00:55:13.840
torment of others. She also equipped, I don't know if

905
00:55:13.880 --> 00:55:17.360
I even have the words to describe how racist Gary

906
00:55:17.400 --> 00:55:21.840
Black is, adding that he uses mental attacks and psychological

907
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:29.920
warfare against everyone. He is aggressive, angry, evil, and a

908
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:32.920
threat no matter where he is. And y' all, this

909
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.800
is coming out of the mouth of the people who

910
00:55:34.840 --> 00:55:37.639
deal with him daily, not just the people who see

911
00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:41.679
him dressed decently in court for a hearing. And I

912
00:55:41.760 --> 00:55:43.559
know that there are soft hearted people out there, and

913
00:55:43.639 --> 00:55:47.840
I do appreciate them. They add value to this world. However,

914
00:55:48.960 --> 00:55:52.760
with all due respect, they need to step aside when

915
00:55:52.840 --> 00:55:57.119
it comes to dealing with these monsters. You are not

916
00:55:57.199 --> 00:56:01.440
equipped to understand the evil that is around us if

917
00:56:01.480 --> 00:56:06.639
you have never been around it. His attorney also said

918
00:56:06.760 --> 00:56:09.800
that everyone does bad things, but we still have to

919
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.880
see them as human. I don't think keeping Gary behind

920
00:56:13.960 --> 00:56:18.199
bars is really necessary. All of his anger and hate

921
00:56:18.239 --> 00:56:23.079
has passed. It's not benefiting anyone at this point, when

922
00:56:23.079 --> 00:56:27.880
his attorney said that Gary was seventy two years old,

923
00:56:28.760 --> 00:56:31.639
so rather than even go all rather than even address

924
00:56:31.719 --> 00:56:34.880
his statement about what he said. Remember, we still have

925
00:56:34.920 --> 00:56:38.679
to see him as human beings, and keeping him behind

926
00:56:38.719 --> 00:56:40.880
bars isn't really benefiting anyone at this point, as anger

927
00:56:40.920 --> 00:56:44.280
has passed. Rather than address the statement, I'm just going

928
00:56:44.360 --> 00:56:48.559
to read a direct quote from Gary himself at the

929
00:56:48.599 --> 00:56:56.039
age of seventy two, nearly thirty years after he murdered Jason. Quote.

930
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:00.119
I do not regret the death of Jason Johnson. He

931
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:02.239
was a fake player. He stepped into a game that

932
00:57:02.280 --> 00:57:05.760
he knew nothing about. He wanted to play a pimp,

933
00:57:06.559 --> 00:57:10.519
and when he played, he was dead. Nothing matters to me,

934
00:57:11.199 --> 00:57:16.880
nothing means anything to me. I'm just a killer. End quote.

935
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:24.280
So many people, by the way, went to Jason Johnson's funeral.

936
00:57:24.519 --> 00:57:27.320
They actually had to bring charter buses because there was

937
00:57:27.360 --> 00:57:31.679
no parking. And his mama, Charlie, said she was so

938
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:34.400
incredibly proud of this, and she said, I cling to

939
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:37.239
the fact that we did a good job and we

940
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:41.320
raised a good man. And she said she felt close

941
00:57:41.360 --> 00:57:43.599
to him because of that. And I have to say,

942
00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:45.960
ride on with you, miss Charlie. You raised the hell

943
00:57:45.960 --> 00:57:50.559
of a man. And following her son's death, this mama

944
00:57:50.559 --> 00:57:55.039
missed Charlie Johnson started her own prayer ministry, and she said,

945
00:57:55.119 --> 00:57:58.920
God is always our refuge, and he is always our strength.

946
00:57:59.840 --> 00:58:02.440
And the anger that I had has changed. She said,

947
00:58:02.480 --> 00:58:05.000
as a Christian, I have to forgive, and it took

948
00:58:05.039 --> 00:58:08.760
a long time, but I can tell you sincerely that

949
00:58:08.880 --> 00:58:13.360
I have forgiven him. She also said that she didn't

950
00:58:13.360 --> 00:58:16.679
want him executed, and real quick this will show you

951
00:58:16.719 --> 00:58:21.400
how mature this woman is and how confident she is

952
00:58:21.440 --> 00:58:24.519
in her words. She said, I didn't want him executed

953
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:29.199
because I wanted him to have enough time to feel remorseful.

954
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:32.360
And she said, I hope that for the rest of

955
00:58:32.360 --> 00:58:37.679
his life he sees the face of Jason Johnson. I

956
00:58:37.719 --> 00:58:42.480
admire that woman's strength, her resolve, and honestly her class.

957
00:58:42.800 --> 00:58:44.960
Through all of this, she had every reason to not

958
00:58:45.039 --> 00:58:50.599
be But something else Gary said continues to echo in

959
00:58:50.639 --> 00:58:54.840
my mind as well. He said, and this is a quote.

960
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:57.920
I'm definitely a racist. I grew up in the Klan

961
00:58:58.519 --> 00:59:01.280
end quote and he said it was such anger and

962
00:59:01.280 --> 00:59:07.320
with a chip on his shoulder. Well, Gary, I grew

963
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:09.840
up in Louisiana, where we take care of one another.

964
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:14.880
And to that note, one of my very good friends

965
00:59:14.920 --> 00:59:20.400
happens to be a man named Kevin, and you, sir,

966
00:59:22.360 --> 00:59:25.000
if you ever met Kevin, would probably first notice that

967
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:28.760
he happens to be a black man. But my relationship

968
00:59:28.800 --> 00:59:32.719
with Kevin is purely based not on the color of

969
00:59:32.760 --> 00:59:37.519
our skin, but on the content of our character. And

970
00:59:37.559 --> 00:59:39.840
I love my friend. I would go to war for

971
00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:43.000
my friend, and he knows it, and I feel he'd

972
00:59:43.000 --> 00:59:49.719
do the same for me. Likewise, Jason's best friend was

973
00:59:49.760 --> 00:59:53.599
a white man. Matter of fact, his best friend even

974
00:59:53.639 --> 00:59:55.960
shaved his head in honor of his late best friend

975
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.360
over a joke that they had between each other that

976
00:59:58.400 --> 01:00:02.119
white men can't rock a bald head like black men do.

977
01:00:02.119 --> 01:00:06.119
Do you know he still wears his head bald to

978
01:00:06.280 --> 01:00:10.760
this day, thirty days later, in honor of his friend.

979
01:00:12.440 --> 01:00:17.119
What a tribute to an unbreakable friendship. I mean, even

980
01:00:17.159 --> 01:00:20.239
death couldn't stop it. And I bet that just pisses

981
01:00:20.320 --> 01:00:25.800
you off. Gary. So to that point, race doesn't matter

982
01:00:26.519 --> 01:00:30.920
when you love people for who they are, when it

983
01:00:30.960 --> 01:00:34.559
comes to protecting what is good and what is right.

984
01:00:35.719 --> 01:00:38.719
I'm just gonna say, with the same tenacity that you

985
01:00:38.840 --> 01:00:42.239
taut your racism, that I came into this world kicking

986
01:00:42.639 --> 01:00:45.679
screaming and covered in somebody else's blood, and I have

987
01:00:45.760 --> 01:00:59.719
no problem going out the same way