Aug. 29, 2025

The Confession

The Confession
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Season 7

So many of you have asked me to play the full confession/interrogation of Israel Keyes that I wanted to give you something to listen to over the Labor Day weekend!

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ here with the Memorial Day weekend bonus audio for everyone.

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I know some of y'all might be traveling, so after

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a lot of requests, I'm dropping the full Israel Keys

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confession for the Samantha Koenig case, and I'm dropping it

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right here for you to hear. I hope you enjoyed

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this little extra, or land yap as we call it

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down South.

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All right, it's sure, how you doing today?

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Good? All right?

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That's the everybody record week recorder. Yep.

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Okay, I'm gonna I want to smash the button. Here's

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that's okay, got it right?

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Okay, Good afternoon Israel I'm going to introduce everybody again.

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I think you know everybody in the room.

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But this is a special agent pain from the FBI,

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Frank Russa from the US Attorney's Office, Officer Belfronanguage Police Department,

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Tactive Dolph and Maghage Police Department. For I'm Kathy Faldus

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from US Attorney's Office. And you're here today with mister Kardner.

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And if you can't advise with your rights several times,

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is that correct, guess, including by the judge at your

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areema yep. I wanna advise you again specifically that you

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have the right from me in silent me you say

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today and will be used against you. Do you understand that?

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Yes? Okay, if you breed away in those rights, and

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do you want to talk to us? Yes?

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Okay, Ready to go ahead and dial up a few

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other people who are working with us.

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Okay, okay, alright, okay, well poub was okay?

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Okay, can you put that on you? Done? Thanks? Thank

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you Israel.

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When we spoke on Friday, you told us that you

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killed Samantha Cones in that way, yes, and then you

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called us such over some other things that you'd like

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to tell us about that and specifically, and you're gonna

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wait to another session for that.

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That's right? Good? Do I stand that correctly? Yes? Okay?

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Uh so we're here today and we're gonna talk to

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you about that. Okay, all right, okay, is there a

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place that if you'd like to speak in or is

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there Well you're gonna get the abridged version. What does

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that mean? I'm gonna leave out some stuff? And what

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there's too many there's too many people in here? So

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too many people?

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Yeah?

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Yes, what what is that about? There being too many people?

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Some of the stuff is very h personal to me

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publish and yeah, it's hard to describe, but I don't

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feel comfortable looking at it telling it to a lot

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of people. So it's up. It's up to you. I mean,

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if you aren't me a bridgeworth and to people that,

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I mean, you'll still get all the same information.

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But well, why do we do this if we don't

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know where we're headed? I don't know where we're heading

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to drive for me? You know that, right, So let's

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start and we'll see where we the end up.

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Okay, all right, I kind of feel like I should

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say something, But if I'm coming in kind of in

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the middle of the baseball.

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Game here, so I'm not really sure where to start.

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I'm here, you heard I did, although I got to

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say that the relay I was out of state and

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so the relay was really bad.

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I got it.

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Sounded like Charlie Brown's teacher. Most of it, you know,

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I wah wah wa wah wah.

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So most of it I didn't understand, and some of

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it I did.

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H And I'm you know, I'm not really sure if

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you want me to ask you questions or if.

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You if you have questions.

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Okay, well the first question I have does it really

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have anything to do specifically with Samantha. It has more

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to do with can I start out there? Yeah, okay,

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I'm not talked with you about this specifically. So it's

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kind of an impression I got in when we spoke

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in Texas, and it might be completely wrong.

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And if I'm going completely off dazed, just tell me.

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But I got the distinct impression that.

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You really didn't want to be raised by your mom,

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and I talked to you, and then the next day,

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after your initial hearing, I got a chance to speak

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to the mom and.

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She didn't say anything again. It was just an impression

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I got. But I think I.

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Know a little bit about why you wouldn't want to

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be raised by your mom.

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Something that you heard. Is that something you're concerned about?

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Is that something anymore? Okay?

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So you're okay, okay, all right, so you taking steps.

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We don't need to talk about that, and I'm not

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gonna cut it.

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We got you know, we've talked about that. It's fine, okay, sure.

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Okay, So I won't waste any more time about it.

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Like I said, I kind of feel like I'm coming

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in in the middle of the game's I'm a substitute

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hitter up here, and I don't really know where you

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guys left off and why there were some things that

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you wanted to speak to only me about. So I

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don't know what questions to ask.

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You don't have to ask like I say, uh, I'll

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give you a detailed account of everything that happened. If

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you want a blow by blow account, then I won't

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do it. No like what I was thinking or what

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was said between her and I, that stuff stays with me.

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Unless there's just fewer people in this ring, at.

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Least your attorney has to stay.

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Just start with the a Bridge version and want to

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answer that question, what are you talking about? Well, before

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I go into anything, one thing I'm concerned about is

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some of the details, regardless of which version I tell you,

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are going to be very graphic, and I don't want

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to hear about them being on the media. I assume

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that you already talked to you about that. I don't

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imagine that you are gonna want them on the media either,

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at least I can't imagine why. So you know, I'm

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assuming that this video is just for your own review,

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and you gotta talk review.

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You gotta talk to me about that because I'm the lawyer, Okay,

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So go ahead.

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Well that's those are my concerns. I mean, I don't

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I'm not trying to salvage my own reputation at this point.

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I'm trying to spare my family and people who know

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me the depth of I guess you could say the

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double life I have. Obviously, like I say, they're going

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to know the bottom line and all the other details.

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You know, if you expect me to say anything at

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any point in the future about anything else, whether it's

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this or anything, then that's going to change directly on

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what I perceives that you're portraying to the media about

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the details. Yes, well, here's what you've done so far.

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Let me tell you what we've done so far, and

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I think it's lived up to what you requested. We

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haven't told anybody what you told us the other day,

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and it hasn't been on the new moves.

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I'm sure you know that the only covers that I

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saw was that they had to take these things from house.

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I think we're very respectful about that chi Equity who

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talked her very turned. It was all done very professionally,

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and it was done in my orders that way, So

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I understand what you're saying. I think you know that

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people are gonna hear about you. It's more being pool.

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We're not out there right now telling people what you said,

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but we all know that people will hear about We

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can't keep.

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You can't keep the facts of what happened, but you

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can keep things that I said that I say to

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you confident we can. Look.

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We're not out here to horrify anybody. We have respect

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for the public. If that's what you're saying, right, you

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know they don't need to hear all the details.

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Well, that's my concern is that the media actually likes

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that stuff, and the public does too, whether you want

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to believe it or not. There's a lot of people

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who want to hear all dihierstand and we're not here.

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We're not doing this to please the media, where fact

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finders is what we are.

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Obviously, the public will know the ultimate facts and some

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of the things you do. They don't need to know

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all those details.

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I get what you're saying. People are boyears. People want

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to know the dirty little details. And throughout the last

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eight or nine weeks, we've had people constantly banging down

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our door and this has been one of the most

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controlled releases of information, this case, more so than any

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other case it's ever been worked by the anchor's police

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depart where we've done a better job of controlling outflow.

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Of information and we will continue to do so.

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There's no reason for us to put the dirty little

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details of anything about Samantha's death in the newspaper. There

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is also no reason for us to tell her father

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or anybody else with dirty little details, nothing that can

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get back to your family. The only people that need

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to know it are the investigators. You already know it,

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the attorneys.

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And eventually the judge.

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So I have no intention of releasing any details because

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it is only.

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Going to harm people. It's not going to help anybody.

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It's going to satisfy a sick curiosity that I'm not

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interested in.

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That we see it. Well, we're getting pounded for it.

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I mean, you've seen some of the plag We're getting

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pounded for not releasing information, and we're being thick skin.

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That's why we do the job we do, and we

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don't care what people say about it.

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No one's heard anything about the lake yet. Alright, So

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is that wrapped up?

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No?

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I can't. Yeah, I can't say it's just wrapped up yet,

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but we're we're keeping it pretty located, alright.

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Alright, yeah, okay, so when don't we Well, what we

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asked you last time was what happened to Samantha once

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you've brought it back.

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To your house? Alright? So I left off, went to

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the ATM, and after I had checked the card and

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made sure it was the right kind number, I went

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back to the house and by then it was getting

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pretty late and I had already had a phone mat

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on top of a nine x twelve tarp laid out

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on the shed and she was sitting on a bucket,

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five gallon bucket in the shed, and I had.

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A piece of rope it was round her neck and

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I had it screwed to the wall some of those

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screws that were in there, there were some big fender washers,

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and I would tie a knot in the rope and

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screwed into the frames.

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On the shed. And that's how I held her there

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so she couldn't move.

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And was she cooperative with you got about this while

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you were doing this?

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Yeah, well, the whole time I told her that I

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made it sound like it was gonna be a a

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quick exchange as far as a ransom of some kind,

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and that was an impression she was under.

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So she told sh if she did what you told

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her to, it was her impression that, you know, you

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would eventually let her go.

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And yeah, that's what she was saying. I never actually

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told her that, gotcha.

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She was kind of looking to you to kind of

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confirm that. I.

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Uh, I wasn't a t s. I wasn't aggressive towards

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her at all. I tried to, you know, I I

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would ask her what she would mean, like, you know,

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I'd let her smoke curse cigarettes and prod or some water.

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Had the radio on in the shed up fairly loud,

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just in case she decided to start screaming or something.

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And the shed at the time you open the door

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and immediately to the right, for the whole length of

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the shed out two feet out and all the way

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to the ceiling were built in cabinets two levels. Did

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they have doors, Yeah, they had sliding doors. Originally was

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set up to be a girl room, and that's why

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there's holes in the floor for there was like lots

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of extra wiring and plumbing in the fans I had

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in that shed originally, but I mean I lost interest

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in just quit doing it a while ago. And yeah,

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so there were those cabinets, so there wasn't really much

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room in the shed at the time. There was the

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floor and there was only about floor space was only

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about three feet wide by the length of the shed.

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And she was sitting at the back, and there was

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a shelf above her head. It's just like a bowl

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shelf that was supported by a closet shelf support. It

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was twelve inches wide with the hook for the closet

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rod in the front. And like I said, on the floor,

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there was a tart and h foam mat and a

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sleeping or not a sleeping bag really, but like a fleece,

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a sleeping bag of sorts.

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Could you put the tart down to catch any glove.

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No, just to keep anything from her transferring to the shed?

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Gotch Well if you put the phone mat and that

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stuff was all put down the head of time, probably

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a day or two before and at the spasion of

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bringing someone, I was thinking about it. I didn't have

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a specific plan in line turn.

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And I may have missed as this on the first

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But did you have a specific person in mind?

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Did you know I had? I had that location in

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mind just because of where it was and the fact

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that they were open late, and the fact that I

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had staked it out. Maybe I don't remember how long

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before a couple of days it seemed like I walked

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by and it looked like there was only one person

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working there, and there weren't a lot of cars around,

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so so it was in the back of my mind.

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I didn't really know for sure that I was gonna

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do anything. I thought maybe I might just uh rop

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that place.

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And why did you decide it's cool?

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That's why did you aspires?

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It's a home depot parshing lot instead of in the

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neighborhood back beat my the coffee shop in.

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A darker.

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And it you know, I don't know, good question. I

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guess I didn't think the video cameras were that good.

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I remember seeing the I hoop camera h and I

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remember thinking that thing looks like it's twenty years old.

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It probably doesn't even record anymore. But I wasn't really

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worried about the video because I had my face covered

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the whole time, and I think I had the front

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license plade off my truck removed and the back license

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plate is almost always covered with snow. The truck didn't

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look anything like it normally does.

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Right well, And I can tell.

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You there's some if I or twenty five Chevy tracks

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are very similar, incredibly similar.

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To yours in the eight age fool. It's the most

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common truck and anchorage, so uh, the windshield up, their

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people told me anyway, So yeah, that's a I did

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think about parking back in the neighborhoods, but there was

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so much snow there wasn't a lot of places to park,

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and I was worried. I was more worried about having

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someone hit my truck and having it turned into a

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big thing or getting a traffic ticket or right whatever. So,

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and there were other places aroundtown that I was looking

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at too.

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Where where else around town?

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I was looking at Puffmann area because that was there's

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several coffee stands along that road and they stay openly too.

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There's not very many people around, and there were several

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public areas where I could have parked. So I was

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looking at dot a YouTube. But honestly, it was it's

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kind of like a spur of the moment thing. The

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way it happened. I when I robbed her, she was,

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you know, very cooperative, and I don't know, I just even,

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I guess you could say, against my judgment, I just

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kept going with it, even though I had already told

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myself that if whoever was there didn't have a car,

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then I wasn't gonna do anything more than rob him

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and tie them up, and that there was something about her,

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like the way she reacted that kind of made me

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want to just keep going with it. And plus, like

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I said, I had my police scan in my ear,

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and it seems like there was something going on on

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the east side, so I knew most of the police

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would be over there, and I thought I was just

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on a real adrenaline rush. I thought I could just

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walk right down the street and nobody and I had

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never done anything that brazen before, and I thought, I, yeah,

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it was just really really adrenaline Russian was determined at

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that point that it was gonna happen regardless of what

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I had to do.

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And because it it that's a good word.

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The the whole thing seemed very brazen, and that was

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one of the things that kind of has confused me

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all along, because how brazen the whole thing was, and

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how kind of.

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How overt the whole thing was, you know, like almost

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like a bank robbery, where it was just like I'm

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gonna walk up and do this. And it's not like

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Tutor is a small road. Tutor is like a pretty

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name thoroughfare and anchorage, you know.

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So my thought was that people walk down that street

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all the time, and in a way, if it's the

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fact that it was busy and there were people around,

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and I was right, I passed lots of people. Even

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when we were walking. It seems like I passed a

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person who was walking, and every time someone was close,

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I would just take the gun and like push it

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against her, so she knew that I was I knew

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what she was thinking.

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And that was.

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That was the part that became part of it. I guess.

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Did she carby away or follow the ground or she.

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Did she tried to get away on tutor. We were

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only about one hundred feet from the coffee stand, maybe

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maybe two hundred feet.

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Weren't you carrying a purse to yep?

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How were you holding the purse in agu I put?

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I picked up that camera as we were leaving, and

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I made some comment that it was my lucky day.

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And had the purse and the camera by the straps

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in one hand and had my arm around her with

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the other, had my other arm around her my right arm,

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and I had the gun in my right hand, but

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I didn't have it ready to fire. I just had it.

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I was holding it around the cylinder and the trigger card,

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but I had the barrel up so she would think

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I had it ready to fire. And yeah, I just

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told her to act like she was my girlfriend and

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just act like maybe she was a little bit drunk

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or something, and I was helping her. And after that

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first time she tried to get away and I tackled her.

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After that she know I was serious, and after that

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she could give me any problems.

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So the whole entire time after that, she was compliant,

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She was cooperative, and she kind of like knew you

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meant business.

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Yeah, I mentioned the omen we're finding the camera. What

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did you mean? It was just lucky that you could mean. Yeah,

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that did have some meaning to you. No, it's just no,

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not every day. You finally a two or three hundred

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dollars camera laying on the ground. So did you use

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the camera app you come? No, that was the one

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that we got any named one of the sheds. It

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was on my trailer, I think because it was in

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the front of the trip.

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Did you ever try to use it? Was it been

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working conditions?

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Oh? Yeah it was. I don't know. There was a

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There was a card in an SD curt When I

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first I didn't check it for weeks. I didn't obviously

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other things on my mind, but I.

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I do.

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You remember when I pulled it out and start looking

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at it, it was like a really good camera. It

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was way better than I expected, and it had a

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SD card in it, and there were a few pictures

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on it, nothing really recognizable, And as far as I

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could see I couldn't really tell who it belonged to,

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So I just took the SD card and the batteries

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out and threw him away and just I think I

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just stuck it in my trailer or something.

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I don't know, gotcha.

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So and again I apologize because they only got part

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of it. Did you go from the Home People parking

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lot to Glenary Park?

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Yep? I think we went straight there. Yep. Drove down

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to Nolley Train, left on Northern Lights right away, she

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said she DP. Plus she was just sitting in the

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front of my truck. She had a seat built on.

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But she could have, like, if she had thought about it,

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she could have got out really quick before I could

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have done much about it. So I wanted to get her.

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But yeah, so that was the closest place they could

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think of, Lanari and went down there and parked in

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a corner of the parking lot. There were a couple

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other cars. I think there were even people there just skiing.

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And after they left, I let her out so she

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could beee and then cleaned out the back seat and

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put her in the back and had her she was

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cold at her covered all up and dropped close and stuff.

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Gotcha. Was she laying down or was she sitting up?

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She was laying on the back seat, on the jump seat, and.

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With her hands still behind her. Did you move them

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in front of her at some point?

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I think they were in front after she was Yeah,

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once she was in the back, I put them in front.

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But they weren't tight tight they had. I had two

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individual cables ties on her wrists, you know, like as

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tight as you would put handcuffs, and then between those

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I would run other cable ties. Yeah, they weren't very tight,

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just enough that she can't kind of crazy. I didn't

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have her feet tied. She was mostly just tied to

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the seat belts in the truck with cable ties.

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And so even if she had opened the door.

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She could she couldn't have got out. She was she

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I had long cable ties. I think they were thirty

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six inches long, and I had him through the seat

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belts and wrapped all the way around her and then

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cinched down to hold her on the seat. And so yeah,

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she couldn't.

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When you're I mean, what what was the plan from there?

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I mean, you got this chick, you got her away,

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you know, now you're in glenary park, and you're kind

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of home free, right, I mean, you're kind of.

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You.

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I wasn't of the bright light. I wasn't in any

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hurry I was. I mean I talked to her quite

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a bit. I was asking her about her debit card,

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where it was her cell phone? She kept telling me

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your cell phone didn't work. And you know, I found

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out that all the stuff was in other places. None

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of it was in her purse, not even her keys.

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She left her keys in the coffee stand her I

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left her keys. I thought I had grabbed everything and

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thrown it in her purse, but her cell phone and

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her keys were on a different counter, and I didn't

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see him. I think I had a headlamp on.

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How did you know how to put the dowel in

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the window? Is it just sitting there and playing to you?

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I mean that was pretty. You put the dowel in

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the window of the coffee.

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Well, my whole intention was to make it look like

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it had the shop that closed somewhat normally. Okay, And

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the Dallas were I don't remember where they were. I

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think they were fairly obvious they were.

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They were there somewhere, complained to you somewhere so you

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could see. Yeah, gotcha.

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So as you were talking or you're asking her about

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the debit card, you're asking her about her cell phone.

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I mean, what was the plan with those items specifically?

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I mean you wanted her cell phone? For what.

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The plan was exactly what I did to do to

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I needed her cell phone to send. At first, I

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was gonna get a prepaid cell untraceable. All I've heard

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they're untraceable. I've never had one. I don't know if

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they are not. But at first I was thinking I

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didn't want to go back to the coffee stand because

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she kept saying the alarm was armed now that the

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door was closed, and I didn't want to break the

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window to get back in because that would have defeated

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the old purpose.

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So I.

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I am. I was going to get a prepaid cell

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to send the texts, but then I realized that wouldn't

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be very believable since it wasn't coming from her cell.

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And that's when I made up my mind to go

489
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:25.039
back to the stand. I figured, even if the alarm

490
00:30:25.119 --> 00:30:26.960
went off, I would hear it all my scanner and

491
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.480
I would be gone before.

492
00:30:29.759 --> 00:30:30.119
Anybody.

493
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:33.880
And then when I got there, she told me that

494
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:37.079
she was bluffing me about the alarm and then it

495
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:39.640
wouldn't go off, but that I didn't really believe her

496
00:30:39.680 --> 00:30:41.920
at that point. I thought I just was getting with

497
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.079
My plan was to go in and out really quick

498
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:49.920
and get her forward. Yeah, So as soon as I

499
00:30:49.920 --> 00:30:53.160
got her phone, I started sending text messages and.

500
00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:56.599
And that was another question I had. Why did you

501
00:30:56.720 --> 00:31:00.279
respond to the text messages one from her boss, one

502
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:08.119
from her boyfriend to make it seem more believable, like

503
00:31:08.279 --> 00:31:10.799
she was okay, and she was, you know she was?

504
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.680
She was, Yeah, had a bad damn was pissed off

505
00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:20.359
at everybody, right. Plus I figured from her age that

506
00:31:20.400 --> 00:31:24.920
wouldn't be that unusual or certainly wouldn't be something the

507
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.200
police would be interested in hearing about. So I figured,

508
00:31:29.240 --> 00:31:32.799
even if they were upset about it or out of character,

509
00:31:32.920 --> 00:31:34.640
there wasn't anything that was going to be done by

510
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:37.400
much of anybody, at least not for a couple of days.

511
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:42.839
You were right, Yeah, both of the texts were kind

512
00:31:42.880 --> 00:31:45.799
of fell right in line with you know it was

513
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.559
it was appropriate communication.

514
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:53.039
So how long were you at Glennairy Park?

515
00:31:53.200 --> 00:31:53.599
Do you think?

516
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:58.119
I mean half an hour? An hour? Now?

517
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.160
Only about twenty minutes fifteen twenty minutes.

518
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:03.519
And where did you go from there?

519
00:32:05.720 --> 00:32:09.480
Well, that was that That was before I had gone

520
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:12.640
back to the That was where we went first. So

521
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:14.880
I mean I went all kinds of places after that,

522
00:32:15.200 --> 00:32:17.599
but I think the first place we went after that

523
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:25.000
was to the parking lot across from Walmart there was

524
00:32:25.079 --> 00:32:29.240
Bank parking Park, because you were considering that. I was, Yeah,

525
00:32:29.279 --> 00:32:31.480
I was going to go into Walmart, but I decided

526
00:32:31.480 --> 00:32:36.519
I didn't. Yeah, I just for one thing, I was

527
00:32:36.680 --> 00:32:39.279
concerned about leaving her in the truck for too long

528
00:32:39.759 --> 00:32:46.359
because she could have started screaming or maybe even broke out.

529
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:50.279
And yeah, so I just decided it was going to

530
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:54.440
take too long and decided that it was lower risk

531
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:55.880
to just get her phone.

532
00:32:57.759 --> 00:32:59.960
And you said that you went several of the place,

533
00:33:00.359 --> 00:33:03.559
and I know at one point you went to cars

534
00:33:04.279 --> 00:33:09.200
and you bought saying, if I remember correctly, I was

535
00:33:09.279 --> 00:33:11.839
just going off the memory here a couple of candy

536
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.319
bars and a couple of cigars.

537
00:33:14.920 --> 00:33:16.440
So after you left the.

538
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:19.480
Part that after I thought I got that stuff before

539
00:33:20.279 --> 00:33:24.440
eight o'clock you did. It was seventy three. Yeah, that

540
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:27.960
was probably when I was on my way to home depo. Yeah,

541
00:33:28.039 --> 00:33:34.240
I think it was okay, want to see But yeah,

542
00:33:34.279 --> 00:33:37.839
I mean we were. I wasn't talking to her. She

543
00:33:38.039 --> 00:33:39.799
kept trying to talk to me, and I had to

544
00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:43.759
tell her to shut up a few times because she was,

545
00:33:43.839 --> 00:33:50.799
you know, trying to make friends and stuff. And but

546
00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:53.039
I mean, I was I was being mean to her either.

547
00:33:53.119 --> 00:33:56.319
I mean we were smoking her sure, we were smoking

548
00:33:56.400 --> 00:34:00.240
my cigars and just kind of driving around while I

549
00:34:00.279 --> 00:34:01.200
figured out what to do.

550
00:34:03.200 --> 00:34:06.720
What do you mean, well, just I was, I was

551
00:34:06.799 --> 00:34:10.800
still listening for I was. She had made it sound

552
00:34:10.880 --> 00:34:13.119
like the alarm was going to go off, and so

553
00:34:13.320 --> 00:34:13.599
I was.

554
00:34:13.599 --> 00:34:17.239
Still waiting for the alarm call. And I didn't want

555
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:19.239
to show up there right as the alarm call came

556
00:34:19.320 --> 00:34:21.800
in because tutors like it would only take him like

557
00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:23.719
a minute to get there once it came in. So

558
00:34:24.639 --> 00:34:26.760
so I was, I was waiting to make sure there wasn't,

559
00:34:26.800 --> 00:34:27.920
you know, be an alarm call.

560
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:29.039
It And.

561
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.480
I guess what was of like around ten or something

562
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:39.119
when I ended up going back. Okay, I don't I

563
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:40.960
don't know what we I mean, I guess I just

564
00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:52.920
and I probably got back to the truck like eight thirty.

565
00:34:55.199 --> 00:34:58.639
It was like two and a half hours. Yeah, I

566
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:03.440
don't know. I got gas in there some where she

567
00:35:03.559 --> 00:35:06.039
had to pee again. We went out to Earthquake part

568
00:35:07.400 --> 00:35:14.360
sat out there for a while. But then yeah, after

569
00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:17.639
I got the cell phone, I didn't waste any more

570
00:35:17.679 --> 00:35:21.719
time going around, and I think I pretty much sent

571
00:35:21.800 --> 00:35:25.960
all the texts and staked out at ATM to go

572
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:27.320
to later.

573
00:35:29.719 --> 00:35:33.559
When you asked her about the the ATM card, where

574
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:36.679
the ATM card was and she gave you her address, right,

575
00:35:36.760 --> 00:35:43.519
I heard that? Yeah, okay, when you were actually in

576
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:46.559
the truck and you took the ATM card, where did

577
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:47.440
you find the wallet?

578
00:35:48.480 --> 00:35:52.599
It was an advisor, Okay, she said it would be.

579
00:35:52.639 --> 00:35:54.000
There the wallet was as well.

580
00:35:54.719 --> 00:35:58.719
Yeah, okay, Well, I think she gave me several places

581
00:35:58.760 --> 00:36:01.599
where it would probably be. I think she said glove box,

582
00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:06.320
driver's side, or compartment or the visor, and I think

583
00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:07.360
it was all in the visor.

584
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:13.199
Why didn't you take her debit card? Her ATM card?

585
00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:16.840
She only told me about the one. Okay, she said

586
00:36:16.840 --> 00:36:19.960
it was a shared account, and that was when they

587
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:20.239
had it.

588
00:36:24.079 --> 00:36:27.920
And when the guy came out and kind of you know,

589
00:36:28.840 --> 00:36:31.239
confronted you or yeah, he came out.

590
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:32.159
And said, can I help you?

591
00:36:33.559 --> 00:36:34.280
What did she say?

592
00:36:34.440 --> 00:36:36.440
I just I just stood there and looked him to

593
00:36:36.480 --> 00:36:38.039
wait to see what he was gonna do. I didn't

594
00:36:38.039 --> 00:36:41.559
have my gun on me, but you I had my knife,

595
00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.280
and I was waiting for him to see if you

596
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:48.360
would like run to me or something or yeah, try

597
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:53.239
And he seemed like he was uncertain of what to do,

598
00:36:53.800 --> 00:36:55.840
and then just turned and ran into the house. And

599
00:36:56.800 --> 00:37:00.320
I figured he was gonna call the police. So I

600
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:01.960
fegured I had a couple of minutes, so I just

601
00:37:02.119 --> 00:37:05.239
ran ran to the car and got out of there

602
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:06.679
before he could come back out.

603
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:11.679
And from there you went back to your shad. Well,

604
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:12.639
you went to the ATM.

605
00:37:13.280 --> 00:37:16.800
No, I was, well, I was gonna go to the ATM,

606
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:19.519
but then I realized I hadn't written down the pin

607
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:21.400
number she gave me, and I couldn't remember what she

608
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.400
had said, so I had to go back to the

609
00:37:23.480 --> 00:37:26.360
house and get it from her again.

610
00:37:27.559 --> 00:37:29.559
And why did you check the balance on the ATM?

611
00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:32.039
Were you just making sure the pin worked, wasn't?

612
00:37:32.239 --> 00:37:35.800
Well? Yeah, to see if there's money on it. I mean,

613
00:37:36.239 --> 00:37:39.280
I mean I believed her. I just wanted to check

614
00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:43.840
make sure it had an active checking account and all that.

615
00:37:47.039 --> 00:37:52.079
So yeah, after that, I mean yeah, that's after all

616
00:37:52.159 --> 00:37:57.000
that was done. I mean I had already had my

617
00:37:57.079 --> 00:38:03.119
truck at the house for a while. Yeah, well, she

618
00:38:03.280 --> 00:38:04.679
stayed in the truck for a while. I think I

619
00:38:04.760 --> 00:38:08.800
even had it running for quite a while, from about eleven,

620
00:38:09.119 --> 00:38:12.360
I don't know now, I was late in that maybek

621
00:38:12.440 --> 00:38:18.519
we maybe got back about twelve or one, and uh,

622
00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:21.159
that's when I started putting my truck back together. And

623
00:38:21.559 --> 00:38:24.039
I think I had the truck running and Grady Wong

624
00:38:24.119 --> 00:38:28.199
and stuff in the truck so she wouldn't get cold.

625
00:38:28.280 --> 00:38:32.719
And I don't I don't know how long. It didn't

626
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:34.440
take me long to put the truck back together. But

627
00:38:35.800 --> 00:38:38.280
but then there were I don't know, there were still

628
00:38:38.360 --> 00:38:40.440
people out. There were people out walking their dogs, and

629
00:38:41.119 --> 00:38:43.440
she was still awake, and I didn't wanna take her

630
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.239
into the shed right away, so I don't, I don't know.

631
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:48.199
It seemed like I was doing other stuff to kill time.

632
00:38:48.239 --> 00:38:50.800
I was putting tools away and making sure everything was

633
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:51.320
locked up.

634
00:38:51.719 --> 00:38:51.880
Right.

635
00:38:53.079 --> 00:38:55.239
Was she still trying to tack to you or her head?

636
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:57.519
She pretty much figured out O. No, I told her, Well,

637
00:38:57.559 --> 00:38:59.599
I wasn't in the truck any that time. I just

638
00:39:00.519 --> 00:39:04.800
I had the drop cloth overhead in case anybody came

639
00:39:04.840 --> 00:39:08.000
by and you know, stopped by the house or whatever.

640
00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.960
And I just told her that I didn't want to

641
00:39:10.960 --> 00:39:13.480
see her her head come up, gotcha.

642
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:15.639
And she wasn't trying to make any noise like being

643
00:39:15.719 --> 00:39:16.880
on a sacker track, right.

644
00:39:17.760 --> 00:39:21.719
Nope, she was. She was just laying there.

645
00:39:21.760 --> 00:39:22.239
And then.

646
00:39:25.800 --> 00:39:29.960
Yeah, I don't know what time it was, maybe maybe

647
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:35.000
around one to one o'clock or one or two. I

648
00:39:35.079 --> 00:39:39.159
think that's when the neighborhood had quieted down enough, and

649
00:39:39.239 --> 00:39:41.719
I think maybe she was getting ready to go to bed,

650
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:45.199
So that's when I walked her over into the shed,

651
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:50.519
sat her down. Anyway, that's kind of out of order

652
00:39:50.599 --> 00:39:53.360
because I didn't do any of the any of the

653
00:39:53.920 --> 00:39:56.679
credit card stuff until she was alreadying the ship. But anyway,

654
00:39:56.880 --> 00:40:01.159
so yeah, does after all the credit her ATM and

655
00:40:01.199 --> 00:40:10.159
stuff was done, I got a glass of wine and

656
00:40:10.440 --> 00:40:11.400
go to some water, and.

657
00:40:14.480 --> 00:40:15.079
She was.

658
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:21.320
She was asking me if everything was working out okay,

659
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:23.400
and if I had got a hold of her dad,

660
00:40:23.519 --> 00:40:26.159
and if I if the if I had the ATM

661
00:40:26.280 --> 00:40:28.639
card and if you know. She just asked me if

662
00:40:28.639 --> 00:40:34.360
all this stuff was going as planned and and I said, yeah,

663
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:44.639
it's fine, and unscrewed grope from the wall and cut

664
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:48.880
the ties off of her hands, not the cable ties

665
00:40:48.920 --> 00:40:53.880
on her wrist, but the tie betwen him. And had

666
00:40:53.920 --> 00:40:58.480
her laid down on the floor on the map, and

667
00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:04.480
took two more pieces of rope and put 'em through

668
00:41:04.480 --> 00:41:05.519
the cable ties.

669
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.039
And on her hands her hands.

670
00:41:10.159 --> 00:41:13.199
Yeah, two separate pieces of rope on her hands. And

671
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.440
then I tied knots in the ends of the rope

672
00:41:15.559 --> 00:41:19.880
and I screwed her screwed the rope down to the

673
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:22.760
floor floor of the wall, so her arms were out.

674
00:41:25.280 --> 00:41:29.960
And did she ever struggle for any others or did

675
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:30.840
she just let you do that?

676
00:41:32.199 --> 00:41:37.360
She knew? She knew at that point she said, uh,

677
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:39.000
please don't rate me.

678
00:41:40.480 --> 00:41:40.800
And I.

679
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:51.239
But I uh put my head right up to her ear,

680
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.360
and I said, you knew this was coming. And she

681
00:41:54.480 --> 00:41:57.039
started to nod and she started to cry a little bit.

682
00:41:57.280 --> 00:42:01.039
I said, you can make any here, you can make

683
00:42:01.079 --> 00:42:08.559
it harder. And she was still cooperative, but she was

684
00:42:09.679 --> 00:42:18.159
she was really scared at that point. And so after

685
00:42:18.239 --> 00:42:25.880
I had her hands screwed down, I am, remember how

686
00:42:25.920 --> 00:42:29.440
I tire feet? I think I I don't think I

687
00:42:29.559 --> 00:42:30.840
did much to tire feet.

688
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:31.039
I think.

689
00:42:31.079 --> 00:42:33.119
I just took about a six foot piece of nylon

690
00:42:33.239 --> 00:42:36.960
rope and nodded it around her ankles.

691
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.320
She I'm sorry. Was she face up?

692
00:42:43.159 --> 00:42:44.760
No, she's face down, okay.

693
00:42:47.480 --> 00:42:49.079
And she didn't try to kick you or anything with

694
00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:53.480
her feet, her anything not fine, okay, I'm sorry.

695
00:42:54.079 --> 00:43:01.360
And and then after I have her all tied down,

696
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:09.880
I went up and was still awake. I went in

697
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:14.599
the house. There was a I didn't have her gagged

698
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:16.960
any of this time. I just told her that I

699
00:43:17.079 --> 00:43:20.800
had my scanner on and if any neighbors reported any screaming,

700
00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:22.480
I was going to be back in a second, and

701
00:43:23.079 --> 00:43:26.880
you know she'd be sorry. And she yeah, she never

702
00:43:26.960 --> 00:43:29.000
tried to scream. But I didn't have her gagged or

703
00:43:29.039 --> 00:43:35.000
anything at time choosing the shed, and but I wanted

704
00:43:35.039 --> 00:43:38.519
to put a gag in her mouth before I raped her.

705
00:43:40.880 --> 00:43:46.519
And so I went into the to the bedroom and

706
00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:51.719
I had a silk handkerchief. It was a purple.

707
00:43:53.679 --> 00:43:54.519
I wanted to pick that.

708
00:43:57.280 --> 00:44:03.360
It was something I had left over from a girlfriend

709
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:08.159
a long time ago in Seattle. We used to uh

710
00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:15.159
tie each other up with them and uh yeah, So

711
00:44:15.199 --> 00:44:19.519
I had that handkerchief and I took it, took it

712
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:26.239
back into the shed and gagged her. But it wasn't like,

713
00:44:27.519 --> 00:44:29.159
you know, she could still talk. It wasn't.

714
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.239
I don't know, did you when you gigged her? Did

715
00:44:32.280 --> 00:44:34.280
you tie it around her head or did use stuff

716
00:44:34.280 --> 00:44:34.880
it in her mouth?

717
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:35.360
No?

718
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:38.599
I tied it. I wound it up, and I didn't

719
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:40.559
stick anything else in her mouth. I just I don't know.

720
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:43.440
I it was mostly just cause I wanted to do it,

721
00:44:43.559 --> 00:44:45.960
because it didn't really keep her from making any noise.

722
00:44:47.920 --> 00:44:54.239
It was I just tied it around in your mouth, and.

723
00:45:03.599 --> 00:45:05.679
Sorry, the recorder turned out was just more a.

724
00:45:05.760 --> 00:45:14.440
Second right, it's good to you. So I knew she

725
00:45:14.639 --> 00:45:22.320
was gonna she was gonna scream eventually, So I took

726
00:45:23.199 --> 00:45:27.760
thirty six inch cable tie and I put it around

727
00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.760
her neck and I tightened it up, not tight, but

728
00:45:31.800 --> 00:45:34.840
enough that she could feel that it was there. And

729
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:40.639
I told her, you know, I told her, I said,

730
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.760
all I have to do is pull this. And once

731
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:46.719
I pulled it, there's no going back if you start

732
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:51.360
screaming or if I don't like the way things are going.

733
00:45:54.360 --> 00:46:00.599
And she just kept nodding her head, and I took

734
00:46:00.639 --> 00:46:03.880
out a knife. I don't remember which knife. I think

735
00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.199
it might have been that big black folding one that

736
00:46:06.320 --> 00:46:10.800
I had on when they arrested me, So maybe it

737
00:46:10.920 --> 00:46:13.920
wasn't that one. I had another knife that you guys

738
00:46:13.960 --> 00:46:14.639
are not gonna find.

739
00:46:14.800 --> 00:46:18.639
But why are we gonna find it?

740
00:46:20.719 --> 00:46:24.079
It's uh I burned it in the fireplace and it's

741
00:46:24.280 --> 00:46:28.920
up in Anchorage landfill somewhere, okay. But it wasn't very big.

742
00:46:29.239 --> 00:46:29.519
It was.

743
00:46:31.360 --> 00:46:33.760
Had about a two or three inch blade, and it

744
00:46:33.880 --> 00:46:37.639
was one of the freebie knives that Leatherman gives away with,

745
00:46:38.559 --> 00:46:41.360
like their big multi tools. I think it was actually

746
00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:48.400
a knife and it was really sharp. That's the knife

747
00:46:48.440 --> 00:46:50.000
I had on me most of the night. But I

748
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:52.480
think for some reason, I had that big black folding

749
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:58.320
one and I used that to start to cut off

750
00:46:58.360 --> 00:47:04.840
your clothes. I started at her shirt and cut all

751
00:47:04.840 --> 00:47:09.760
the way down. She had on a braw cut that

752
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:12.880
and then I cut the back of the arms it.

753
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:15.519
It was just a T shirt, I think grey T shirt.

754
00:47:24.119 --> 00:47:26.679
Did she have to keep her jacket, asked sept Now.

755
00:47:26.599 --> 00:47:30.400
Or was it just shed over her way? Don't think

756
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:31.480
she ever had her jacket on.

757
00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:35.599
I thought she put it on in the coffee Kiosk.

758
00:47:35.840 --> 00:47:37.199
I thought you told her to put it on.

759
00:47:38.440 --> 00:47:41.840
Maybe she did. Yeah, I guess I did tell her

760
00:47:41.880 --> 00:47:45.920
to put it on. I remember thinking. I remember thinking

761
00:47:45.960 --> 00:47:47.840
I needed to get her tied up right away before

762
00:47:47.920 --> 00:47:53.760
she got any ideas, so I didn't want to give

763
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:55.280
her time to put it on. But then I can

764
00:47:55.360 --> 00:47:58.559
remember thinking, if I put the ties on her hands,

765
00:47:58.559 --> 00:48:00.039
she won't be able to get her jacket off and

766
00:48:00.119 --> 00:48:02.440
it'll just be draped over and it's gonna attract more

767
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:05.039
attention when we're walking down the road. So yeah, I

768
00:48:05.079 --> 00:48:07.039
guess I did let her put it on. I told

769
00:48:07.039 --> 00:48:09.719
her to put it on, and then I put the

770
00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:14.159
cable ties on. But I think by the time she

771
00:48:14.280 --> 00:48:17.679
was in the shed, I had her I had heaters

772
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:21.559
going in there. It was hot, and she was you know,

773
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.119
she was colder. I mean she was nervous or whatever, scared,

774
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.480
so she was. She kept asking me to turn the

775
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.480
temperature up. So it was hot in there. I was

776
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:32.280
like eighty or ninety degrees.

777
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:35.320
Probably, so you didn't you don't remember having to cut

778
00:48:35.320 --> 00:48:36.920
straight with jacket at some point, you think.

779
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:38.639
I did cut the jacket off of her. I took

780
00:48:38.719 --> 00:48:43.400
it off of her when she was I think I

781
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.039
think when I first put her in the shed and

782
00:48:45.280 --> 00:48:49.679
changed the ties on her hands. I think I had

783
00:48:49.719 --> 00:48:52.559
her take the jacket off because I feel she gets

784
00:48:52.599 --> 00:48:55.920
too hot. It was because it was pretty warm in there,

785
00:48:56.119 --> 00:49:01.280
so so yeah, I took the jack excusey jacket off

786
00:49:01.400 --> 00:49:07.159
and had had a big black trash bag and I'm

787
00:49:07.159 --> 00:49:11.480
already a thirty, like a really big contractor's bag, and

788
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:13.519
I was throwing everything in there. And I threw everything

789
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:18.079
in that. I threw every cable tie, I cut her jacket,

790
00:49:19.760 --> 00:49:23.480
anything that touched her tape, whatever. It all went in

791
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.159
that bag, including like the wallet with the credit card.

792
00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.079
Like once I had the number scratched in the card,

793
00:49:29.119 --> 00:49:30.840
I didn't even look at it again. I threw everything

794
00:49:30.880 --> 00:49:33.239
in there. The only thing I took out of her

795
00:49:36.039 --> 00:49:39.079
purse was the cash. I didn't even take the change.

796
00:49:39.199 --> 00:49:41.800
There was a bunch of change and small stuff. I

797
00:49:41.840 --> 00:49:44.360
didn't take any of that stuff out. I just threw

798
00:49:44.400 --> 00:49:55.000
a purse in that big black bag, and the other

799
00:49:55.119 --> 00:49:57.760
cash I just I think I might have even taken

800
00:49:57.840 --> 00:50:00.559
it in the house right away. I stuck ca backpack

801
00:50:00.639 --> 00:50:04.280
that I was going to take on the trip. And yeah,

802
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.960
so anyway, she was, she was on the floor and

803
00:50:08.039 --> 00:50:10.639
after I cut off her shirt, and her bro Then

804
00:50:10.679 --> 00:50:15.519
I took the knife and cut down each of her

805
00:50:15.599 --> 00:50:20.480
pant legs. She had on like black tight black pants,

806
00:50:20.599 --> 00:50:26.679
like stink irishpan it and she had on a thomb.

807
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:48.800
And did you wait for vaginally or angeline? I?

808
00:50:50.480 --> 00:50:57.719
I had some ky out there and she felt it

809
00:50:58.119 --> 00:51:03.880
when I put it on her, and I think she

810
00:51:04.000 --> 00:51:10.360
thought I was gonna sodomize her. She started saying, oh, no,

811
00:51:10.599 --> 00:51:17.920
not that. And after that I just stood up and

812
00:51:19.000 --> 00:51:21.599
looked at her for a while. I still had my

813
00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:27.639
clothes on, and uh just watched her for a while.

814
00:51:29.840 --> 00:51:31.960
And was she still trying to talk to you?

815
00:51:33.679 --> 00:51:39.000
Yeah? No, she was not saying things. She was uh,

816
00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:52.360
she was shaped him all of that. And then I

817
00:51:52.599 --> 00:51:56.239
uh took my clothes off and put her on a

818
00:51:56.320 --> 00:52:06.280
condom and I raped her. And I don't know it

819
00:52:06.440 --> 00:52:09.960
was a while. I probably remember the radio was on,

820
00:52:10.559 --> 00:52:14.079
think a touch, I don't know, maybe two or three songs,

821
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:26.639
and then uh, right before I finished, I did sodom

822
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.880
minds there and she screamed a little bit right then,

823
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:36.000
and right when she screamed, I had uh. I think

824
00:52:36.039 --> 00:52:37.960
I pulled on the cable tie a little bit to

825
00:52:38.079 --> 00:52:44.400
wort of shut up and then after it was over,

826
00:52:46.199 --> 00:52:51.480
she was, uh, well, she was f I don't know.

827
00:52:51.679 --> 00:52:53.840
I guess you'd say she was resigned at that point

828
00:52:56.119 --> 00:53:11.920
and still had uh I didn't have any clothes on

829
00:53:12.320 --> 00:53:19.199
MM and she started asking me if I was gonna

830
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:28.920
kill her, and I didn't say anything, and then she

831
00:53:29.039 --> 00:53:32.880
started saying that she gave really good blow jobs, and

832
00:53:33.119 --> 00:53:36.840
you d I don't know, I probably said something out

833
00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.239
very nice, And.

834
00:53:41.480 --> 00:53:43.119
Why did you send me? Tell me?

835
00:53:45.400 --> 00:53:48.400
I think I said at this point that sounds like

836
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:52.360
a good way to get my dick bit off, and

837
00:53:52.719 --> 00:53:57.400
she kind of laughed a little bit, and then I am,

838
00:54:05.719 --> 00:54:06.960
I put my leather gloves on.

839
00:54:12.519 --> 00:54:14.599
Why did you put leather shorps on on your wrap?

840
00:54:14.719 --> 00:54:15.039
A fox?

841
00:54:19.519 --> 00:54:21.519
Cause it's hard work to strangle somebody who with a

842
00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:28.239
cable tie. I knew. I knew from the minute she

843
00:54:28.320 --> 00:54:32.800
walked out of that coffee stand she wasn't she was

844
00:54:32.880 --> 00:54:33.519
not gonna live.

845
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.039
Have yours decided to how you were going to kill her?

846
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:47.800
No, But after I put my gloves on a hand

847
00:54:51.639 --> 00:54:57.159
that little knife, that little leatherman, the one that was

848
00:54:57.239 --> 00:55:01.239
really sharp, had uh all out of my pocket when

849
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:05.360
I was taking off my pants, and it was laying

850
00:55:05.440 --> 00:55:12.280
on the floor this whole time. There wasn't any light

851
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:15.159
in the shed, just my head lamp.

852
00:55:17.000 --> 00:55:17.760
M and.

853
00:55:19.840 --> 00:55:27.840
I saw that knife sitting there, and then I, uh,

854
00:55:28.440 --> 00:55:31.599
after I put my clothes on, I jumped on top

855
00:55:31.679 --> 00:55:37.719
of her, and I grabbed a cable tie with my

856
00:55:37.880 --> 00:55:44.519
left hand and trying out, started pulling up as hard

857
00:55:44.519 --> 00:55:46.280
as I could, tighten it all the way down.

858
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:52.079
She never made a sound, she hadn't tie a struggle off.

859
00:55:51.960 --> 00:55:58.760
Screen, she had never struggle. She couldn't struggle much. Her

860
00:55:58.840 --> 00:56:06.239
legs were screwed down, but she her arms were screwed

861
00:56:06.320 --> 00:56:12.719
down too with the rope. So I was straddling her,

862
00:56:13.559 --> 00:56:17.199
and I had so much force on the cable tie

863
00:56:17.320 --> 00:56:21.320
that she was her whole, like half of her body

864
00:56:21.440 --> 00:56:27.679
was lifted up off the floor. And so yeah, I

865
00:56:27.719 --> 00:56:29.599
can have shoot and struggling. I wouldn't have been able

866
00:56:29.639 --> 00:56:29.960
to tell.

867
00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:31.719
How long did it take her to die.

868
00:56:34.679 --> 00:56:37.960
It was taken. I mean, it's always it's hard to tell,

869
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:48.960
but it was taken a while. And I remember thinking,

870
00:56:49.840 --> 00:56:56.000
I still have to shower, but I was still it's

871
00:56:56.079 --> 00:57:01.079
gonna sound weird, but I was still really into her.

872
00:57:04.719 --> 00:57:05.119
And so.

873
00:57:10.960 --> 00:57:14.519
Anyway, I'm not gonna tell all that part, but I am.

874
00:57:15.159 --> 00:57:18.079
I stabbed her once right below her right shoulder blade

875
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:25.000
in her back with the letther and with that little knife.

876
00:57:25.119 --> 00:57:28.559
Yeah, and it wasn't.

877
00:57:29.119 --> 00:57:35.000
Looking very deep, come to that. But anyway, she I

878
00:57:35.480 --> 00:57:38.119
didn't really stabb her to make her die faster or

879
00:57:38.159 --> 00:57:41.320
anything was anything else.

880
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:45.440
But I took Did you stabb her because you were

881
00:57:45.880 --> 00:57:46.840
still attractive to her?

882
00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:52.239
No, I'm not gonna go into that. I took a

883
00:57:52.320 --> 00:57:57.760
piece of rope that was laying there.

884
00:57:59.159 --> 00:57:59.440
M hm.

885
00:57:59.639 --> 00:58:04.880
At this point was probably a couple of minutes, and

886
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.920
I could tell she still wasn't you know, there was

887
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:15.199
still life there and tied it in the square knot

888
00:58:16.679 --> 00:58:19.199
to the cable tie. And then I took the rope

889
00:58:20.679 --> 00:58:27.159
and I hung her off that shelf support and tied

890
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:32.519
like a half hitch had it so her head was

891
00:58:33.159 --> 00:58:35.239
in front of her body was still lifted off the

892
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:37.960
ground so that there was a lot of pressure on it.

893
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:51.159
Finished my wine and put my pants on, and then

894
00:58:51.239 --> 00:58:52.920
went back into the house into a shower.

895
00:58:58.840 --> 00:59:02.599
Yep, why won't you tell me drafts to pink?

896
00:59:04.519 --> 00:59:06.880
Too many people? And you don't have to do that

897
00:59:06.960 --> 00:59:15.360
today you've lived a demokist. So after I took a shower.

898
00:59:15.519 --> 00:59:24.559
I had to. I had to wake up and make

899
00:59:24.599 --> 00:59:27.280
sure all the bags were packed and could even fed

900
00:59:27.320 --> 00:59:33.239
the dogs. And uh, well, I was getting roundy. I

901
00:59:33.360 --> 00:59:37.559
ran back up to the shed and I don't know,

902
00:59:37.679 --> 00:59:43.480
this is probably fifteen minutes later, twenty minutes later, and

903
00:59:43.719 --> 00:59:48.079
untied the rope and pulled her back a little bit,

904
00:59:48.360 --> 00:59:51.199
so she was on the tarp and on the like

905
00:59:51.440 --> 00:59:54.719
foam mattress, sleeping bag everything. And then I took the

906
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:59.400
tarp and I wrapped it all around her, and then

907
01:00:00.280 --> 01:00:03.639
opened up the lower cabinets and as far as they

908
01:00:03.639 --> 01:00:09.119
would go, and put her inside and shut the cabinet.

909
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:13.960
Made sure that even if someone opened the cabinet would

910
01:00:13.960 --> 01:00:20.960
just look like a big tarp in there. And cleaned

911
01:00:21.039 --> 01:00:26.960
up a few things laying around the shed, unplugged all

912
01:00:26.960 --> 01:00:31.719
the heaters in the radio, put the extension cord back

913
01:00:31.800 --> 01:00:43.360
by the house, double locked the door, and went back

914
01:00:43.440 --> 01:00:51.920
in and grabbed the bags and called the cabin It

915
01:00:52.079 --> 01:00:57.760
was in the cabin two. I think I had I

916
01:00:57.840 --> 01:01:01.039
think her phone was in her per and I remember well,

917
01:01:01.159 --> 01:01:03.360
I mean the whole time, anytime I was near the house,

918
01:01:03.800 --> 01:01:05.639
I had the battery out of her phone. I would

919
01:01:05.639 --> 01:01:07.239
pull the battery out, and then if I had to

920
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:10.960
send another text message, I would I would go somewhere else,

921
01:01:11.039 --> 01:01:12.880
some other part of town and put the battery back

922
01:01:12.960 --> 01:01:14.719
in and send it and then take it back out

923
01:01:14.840 --> 01:01:20.079
right away. Did you ever check her messages? Yeah? They

924
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:22.480
kept popping up. They were constantly popping up. I mean

925
01:01:22.599 --> 01:01:24.559
later on, did you dial in or something to check

926
01:01:24.559 --> 01:01:30.039
her messages? Well? Yeah, but that was weeks later. Yeah,

927
01:01:32.440 --> 01:01:35.079
it seemed like it was weeks two or three weeks.

928
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:39.039
How do you do that? How do I check her messages? Yeah?

929
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:41.800
Me from her phone or another phone? No, I was

930
01:01:41.840 --> 01:01:44.159
from her phone. Did you ever check from another phone? No?

931
01:01:50.039 --> 01:01:53.519
So you flew into Houston that time, and then you

932
01:01:53.719 --> 01:01:56.079
drove from Houston to Vegas.

933
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:00.760
No, I mean, before you talk about what you did.

934
01:02:00.840 --> 01:02:02.400
What was your plan? You were getting on a plane

935
01:02:04.000 --> 01:02:05.960
and your body was in your shed. What were you thinking?

936
01:02:06.920 --> 01:02:09.320
I was thinking it was twenty degrees outside and I

937
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:12.760
didn't have anything to worry about. But she left the

938
01:02:12.800 --> 01:02:14.800
heaters on in the shed. No, oh, okay, you did.

939
01:02:15.239 --> 01:02:17.000
I unplugged. I left him on when I went in

940
01:02:17.079 --> 01:02:18.679
to take a shower. But then I see the last

941
01:02:18.719 --> 01:02:22.880
thing I did, I unplugged the extension cord and it

942
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:26.039
had been on for a while. I remember the extension

943
01:02:26.079 --> 01:02:29.760
cord overheated and melted through the ice on the driveway,

944
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:32.960
and I left the like a line all the way

945
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:37.599
up to the shed, and uh I was I rolled

946
01:02:37.599 --> 01:02:40.400
it back up and kicked some snow over. I don't

947
01:02:40.400 --> 01:02:45.480
know why. But then the next day, after going to Houston,

948
01:02:45.559 --> 01:02:48.679
I remember I called you and told her very specifically.

949
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:50.920
I was like, there's somebody who's been hanging around the house.

950
01:02:51.000 --> 01:02:54.400
I think they're gonna try and steal my tools. I

951
01:02:54.519 --> 01:02:58.320
want you when you fly down to park your car

952
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.119
right in front of that shep and pull up so

953
01:03:01.239 --> 01:03:03.679
the bumpers almost touching the shed so that no one

954
01:03:03.760 --> 01:03:11.719
can break into it. And yeah, because I don't know,

955
01:03:12.719 --> 01:03:16.079
because I actually, yeah, it's entirely feasible that someone might

956
01:03:16.119 --> 01:03:19.039
have broken into that shed and we're gone steal my

957
01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:20.960
tools and find that instead.

958
01:03:21.800 --> 01:03:23.360
Would have gotten more than they worried for.

959
01:03:24.320 --> 01:03:27.199
Yeah, that would have been a definite a lot of

960
01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.719
explaining to do when I get back to Anchorage. Were

961
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:40.599
you worried about getting on Nope? Why not? I mean,

962
01:03:43.559 --> 01:03:51.079
there is nothing for me to worry about. Really, it

963
01:03:51.159 --> 01:03:53.840
did occur to me that when I was doing all this,

964
01:03:54.599 --> 01:03:58.239
that was that was why before I did any of this,

965
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.000
I kept saying, to myself, if there's not another car,

966
01:04:01.159 --> 01:04:03.800
you're not doing this. You're not You're not gonna do this.

967
01:04:03.960 --> 01:04:06.360
If there's not another car, you're not doing this. You're

968
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:08.639
gonna If you want to do this and there's not

969
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:10.960
another car, you have to go somewhere else and do

970
01:04:11.079 --> 01:04:16.480
it and jack a car or something. Because because I

971
01:04:16.559 --> 01:04:21.719
knew that even with the racks off my truck, all

972
01:04:21.760 --> 01:04:25.840
it would take is maybe a couple numbers on the

973
01:04:25.920 --> 01:04:30.360
license plate or somebody recognizing me in the truck. So

974
01:04:30.480 --> 01:04:32.760
I knew I was taking a risk, but I still

975
01:04:32.840 --> 01:04:37.519
wasn't worried about it after it was all done because

976
01:04:43.960 --> 01:04:46.320
because of it, partly because it's anchorage raining. I don't

977
01:04:46.360 --> 01:04:53.039
know what about anchors. I just I'd been listening to

978
01:04:53.119 --> 01:04:57.159
the police scanner a lot recently and just kind of

979
01:04:57.199 --> 01:05:02.480
felt like by the time anybody figured out what had

980
01:05:02.559 --> 01:05:08.360
actually happened, the trail would already be cold, and even

981
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.239
if they had pictures on my truck, they wouldn't know

982
01:05:11.320 --> 01:05:13.840
whose truck it was. They wouldn't have tire tracks, they

983
01:05:13.840 --> 01:05:17.440
wouldn't have forensic evidence. They wouldn't have shoe prints, they

984
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:21.679
wouldn't have certainly wouldn't have fingerprints or DNA or anything.

985
01:05:21.800 --> 01:05:24.480
So I didn't worry about it. Like I say, I

986
01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:26.320
knew there were a lot of those trucks Anchorage, so

987
01:05:28.440 --> 01:05:31.480
I was concerned about it, but I wasn't worried I was.

988
01:05:37.480 --> 01:05:44.159
I got that around Christmas. Oh, I know why I

989
01:05:44.280 --> 01:05:48.239
got that kind of on a I don't know, just

990
01:05:48.400 --> 01:05:52.199
like a impulse buy, which is unusual for me. But yeah,

991
01:05:52.239 --> 01:05:55.960
I wasn't saw it online. It was like radio shack

992
01:05:56.280 --> 01:05:59.360
advertising and of us on sale for like three hundred

993
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:11.079
bucks versus support under somethings you buy it or a

994
01:06:11.119 --> 01:06:19.199
few to go with something like this. Just no, I

995
01:06:19.400 --> 01:06:26.800
was Actually, there were a lot of things I was

996
01:06:26.880 --> 01:06:29.039
thinking of when I bought it, but I'm one of

997
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:33.119
the main things I was thinking of was that I

998
01:06:33.239 --> 01:06:35.400
wasn't gonna be living up here for much longer than

999
01:06:35.440 --> 01:06:37.360
I was planning to move back down to the States.

1000
01:06:40.000 --> 01:06:43.199
That's why I wanted it, because I was planning on

1001
01:06:43.320 --> 01:06:45.360
doing a lot of traveling once I got down to

1002
01:06:45.400 --> 01:06:48.480
the States, and I like to know what's going on.

1003
01:06:49.440 --> 01:06:52.800
Yeah, I'm gonna suggest you guys, you have everything you need.

1004
01:06:53.000 --> 01:06:56.320
I mean, you know we agreed to, you know, give

1005
01:06:56.360 --> 01:06:56.559
you the.

1006
01:06:56.599 --> 01:07:02.920
Information about kidnapping, homicide. He's gone through the whole thing. Yeah,

1007
01:07:02.960 --> 01:07:04.519
I think anything further than this, and I.

1008
01:07:04.639 --> 01:07:06.000
Think it's bill. I don't know if we agree to.

1009
01:07:06.960 --> 01:07:10.199
I think just just a question. You know, we talk

1010
01:07:10.280 --> 01:07:14.880
a little bit about that coming back and out. Okay, okay,

1011
01:07:14.960 --> 01:07:19.920
yeah we can step over the whole she Houston trip. Yeah,

1012
01:07:20.039 --> 01:07:27.199
just kind of pick up, got bad, okay? Uh yeah,

1013
01:07:27.360 --> 01:07:32.920
So I got back on eighteen seventeen, three eighteen and

1014
01:07:35.760 --> 01:07:38.159
remember what was it morning of the eighteenth three? It

1015
01:07:38.360 --> 01:07:47.360
was one in the morning. Yeah, that's right, warningful eighteenth. Yeah,

1016
01:07:53.280 --> 01:08:01.000
so I had been uh kind of watched in the

1017
01:08:01.039 --> 01:08:04.920
weather and bridge, so I know, let's expect when I

1018
01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:08.599
got back to pretty sure it was cold, right and

1019
01:08:11.239 --> 01:08:13.400
and it was actually starting to warm up a little

1020
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:19.079
bit when I got back. So I don't think I

1021
01:08:19.199 --> 01:08:24.479
did anything that first night. I mean I checked on her,

1022
01:08:30.479 --> 01:08:32.800
Yeah because the first what day was? What day of

1023
01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:36.600
the week was that eighteenth was?

1024
01:08:38.439 --> 01:08:40.399
Let me look it up here in just a second.

1025
01:08:41.159 --> 01:08:44.279
Sunday Sunday. Yeah, So I didn't do anything that day.

1026
01:08:48.880 --> 01:08:52.680
So yeah, I love that, so I don't do anything

1027
01:08:52.800 --> 01:08:53.600
for that weekend.

1028
01:08:54.439 --> 01:08:57.960
It was, Yeah, it was sury nick Is Sunday over

1029
01:08:58.039 --> 01:09:04.159
to when they were h always is and she spent

1030
01:09:04.319 --> 01:09:09.920
Sunday over there. Sunday day, she spent Sunday night.

1031
01:09:10.159 --> 01:09:13.520
Yeah, Sunday day she goes. Did she have school Monday?

1032
01:09:15.359 --> 01:09:19.239
She did go to school Monday. Yeah, So I didn't

1033
01:09:19.279 --> 01:09:21.199
do anything until the day she went to school. I

1034
01:09:21.239 --> 01:09:29.159
don't think I couldn't get the body out of the cabinet,

1035
01:09:29.199 --> 01:09:36.079
at least not easily, because it was frozen and the

1036
01:09:36.199 --> 01:09:40.000
doors only opened about three and a half four feet.

1037
01:09:41.920 --> 01:09:47.960
And so I decided, I mean I had been planning

1038
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.640
on doing it anyway, because I was planning to sell

1039
01:09:51.720 --> 01:09:59.359
that shed this spring. I started taking apart the cabinets

1040
01:09:59.800 --> 01:10:04.640
and and took out all the lights and air conditioner.

1041
01:10:04.760 --> 01:10:06.960
That air conditioner that was in the garage was in there,

1042
01:10:07.039 --> 01:10:10.880
and pretty much everything in the cabinets I threw away,

1043
01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:13.960
and like all the insulation, the lights, all that stuff

1044
01:10:14.039 --> 01:10:19.920
went in that load to the landfill. And yeah, so

1045
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:23.319
I just dismantled the whole thing around her. Basically she

1046
01:10:23.520 --> 01:10:27.880
was she was there on the lower level over the north.

1047
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:34.199
Took it all apart, cut it up into firewood, and

1048
01:10:35.000 --> 01:10:37.199
saved some of the There were some of the hardware

1049
01:10:37.479 --> 01:10:39.680
I think I saved, but everything else I cut up

1050
01:10:39.720 --> 01:10:51.880
in the firewood. And then see that would have been Monday. Yeah,

1051
01:10:52.079 --> 01:10:55.319
so I took it all apart on Monday. And then

1052
01:10:55.479 --> 01:11:07.079
Monday night I I rolled her out of there in

1053
01:11:07.199 --> 01:11:12.520
the tarp, and she had bled quite a bit from

1054
01:11:12.640 --> 01:11:20.720
that one stab wound in her back, and so the

1055
01:11:20.800 --> 01:11:25.039
tarp had actually leaked through into the insulation on the

1056
01:11:25.119 --> 01:11:29.600
floor of that grove cabinet. And so it took me

1057
01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.520
a while to get all that torn out. I took

1058
01:11:31.560 --> 01:11:35.560
out the drainage pipes and took out the insulation on

1059
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:38.880
the floor and everything else. I could see that I'm

1060
01:11:38.920 --> 01:11:42.039
blurnt on it. And uh, all that stuff went to

1061
01:11:42.119 --> 01:11:50.000
the fireplace, and uh, then I started bagging everything up.

1062
01:11:50.520 --> 01:11:53.720
I got a bunch of her. I think I did

1063
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:58.239
a big double bag, those big contractor bags. I took

1064
01:11:58.319 --> 01:12:00.800
the sleeping bag she was on, cut it up in

1065
01:12:00.880 --> 01:12:04.520
about four or five pieces. It was pretty much soaked

1066
01:12:04.880 --> 01:12:09.279
with blood, and put that in the bag. Put the

1067
01:12:09.359 --> 01:12:11.319
tarp in the bag. I cut it up in four

1068
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:18.399
or five pieces, and all of her clothes. When I

1069
01:12:18.520 --> 01:12:22.239
raped her, I had the clothes kind of like wadded

1070
01:12:22.399 --> 01:12:29.439
up underneath her, underneath their pelvis, and so they were

1071
01:12:29.479 --> 01:12:33.000
still there. And so yeah, I like everything. I cleaned

1072
01:12:33.079 --> 01:12:36.000
up everything I could put in that bag, and a

1073
01:12:36.079 --> 01:12:39.640
little bit of blood got on the floor of the shed.

1074
01:12:40.640 --> 01:12:47.560
I don't know how, but pretty paranoid about that, and.

1075
01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:53.479
So I led, I'm sorry, Did you try and clean

1076
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:55.640
that up right away?

1077
01:12:55.760 --> 01:12:58.319
I think I. I think I wiped it up with

1078
01:12:58.399 --> 01:13:01.239
paper towels and threw the papers in that garbage bag

1079
01:13:01.319 --> 01:13:08.520
just so I would track it everywhere, and and I

1080
01:13:08.680 --> 01:13:16.520
rolled her. I rolled her on to something else. I

1081
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:19.479
think it was a piece of basically like that clear plastic,

1082
01:13:21.279 --> 01:13:24.600
and to get her off the tarp and the matt

1083
01:13:24.880 --> 01:13:26.880
the phone match she was on, I cut that up

1084
01:13:27.000 --> 01:13:32.119
and put her in that bag. Started a big fire upstairs.

1085
01:13:32.159 --> 01:13:34.479
Waited till it was about I don't know, one or

1086
01:13:34.520 --> 01:13:44.199
two am, and started burning everything like plastic, tart, everything

1087
01:13:44.319 --> 01:13:49.520
that she had touched. Took her purse out, started going

1088
01:13:49.600 --> 01:13:55.760
through all that and everything. Almost everything got burned. With

1089
01:13:55.960 --> 01:14:04.720
her key. I kept her makeup, and I kept the

1090
01:14:04.840 --> 01:14:11.119
cell phone and the credit card, and there was a

1091
01:14:11.159 --> 01:14:13.399
bunch of change in the bottom of the purse, like

1092
01:14:13.600 --> 01:14:16.159
quarters and or stuff from the coffee sand. I think

1093
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:18.239
I just grabbed that threw it in with all the

1094
01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:23.000
other change next to it, so it was a plowing

1095
01:14:23.079 --> 01:14:25.960
on the top. Yeah, I don't know why I was thinking.

1096
01:14:26.199 --> 01:14:29.760
Like I say, it was probably overly paranoid, but I

1097
01:14:29.800 --> 01:14:38.560
think came up technically that some of the cannuh.

1098
01:14:39.000 --> 01:14:39.800
Just your braid hair.

1099
01:14:41.880 --> 01:14:42.560
Not right away.

1100
01:14:49.560 --> 01:15:01.479
What happened that, well, this is where you get the

1101
01:15:01.520 --> 01:15:02.279
abridge burbion.

1102
01:15:02.399 --> 01:15:11.279
Let's just say I thought her out and had a

1103
01:15:11.359 --> 01:15:15.760
table made in the shed. At that point. Before I

1104
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:20.479
built the table, I had taken a really big piece

1105
01:15:20.520 --> 01:15:27.720
of plastic probably I don't know, like fifteen by twenty,

1106
01:15:28.359 --> 01:15:30.720
and had it stapled all the way up the walls

1107
01:15:31.479 --> 01:15:33.880
and all the way across the floor. Before I did that,

1108
01:15:35.319 --> 01:15:38.079
she was out of the shed. At that time, I

1109
01:15:38.159 --> 01:15:40.520
had everything cleared out of it. I had a big

1110
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:43.279
bucket of hot water with a lot of bleach in it,

1111
01:15:43.880 --> 01:15:50.079
and I had a grouse sponge and I cleaned up,

1112
01:15:50.159 --> 01:15:54.119
like wiped everything down, like especially around where they had

1113
01:15:54.159 --> 01:15:56.159
been blood on the floor. And then after I did that,

1114
01:15:56.279 --> 01:15:59.960
I put the screen up or plastic up the ball,

1115
01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:04.479
stapled it up, and then I built the table.

1116
01:16:06.359 --> 01:16:07.039
And uh.

1117
01:16:09.760 --> 01:16:19.399
Then I uh brought her back in for where and

1118
01:16:19.840 --> 01:16:37.920
uh tied ropes to her arms that morning and did

1119
01:16:38.000 --> 01:16:42.840
the same thing pretty much had uh had some screws

1120
01:16:43.520 --> 01:16:47.279
tied knots and room screwed to the wall so her

1121
01:16:47.399 --> 01:16:50.399
arms were up above her head and liking picture.

1122
01:16:52.439 --> 01:16:55.239
How she sat her out? Was she still? Was she

1123
01:16:55.439 --> 01:16:55.960
not richid?

1124
01:16:57.199 --> 01:17:24.880
Oh, no, she was very sloppy. What'd you do? Well,

1125
01:17:26.239 --> 01:17:28.119
I wouldn't tell you. It was part experian will find

1126
01:17:28.159 --> 01:17:29.039
out anyway, So.

1127
01:17:31.840 --> 01:17:32.840
Why wouldn't you tell us?

1128
01:17:33.920 --> 01:17:36.159
I told you this stuff is private. There's too many

1129
01:17:36.199 --> 01:17:41.399
people in here. But I had sex with her her

1130
01:17:41.520 --> 01:17:49.119
corpse and yeah, she was.

1131
01:17:50.800 --> 01:17:51.159
For m.

1132
01:17:53.640 --> 01:18:03.199
And uh then it was by then it was getting

1133
01:18:03.319 --> 01:18:15.560
late in the morning, and I remember it was I

1134
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:19.600
guess I lost track of time. Came out and knocked

1135
01:18:19.640 --> 01:18:23.520
on the door of the shed and I said, yeap,

1136
01:18:24.319 --> 01:18:31.520
go back outside to YouTube. And because she was I

1137
01:18:31.600 --> 01:18:34.840
mean at that point, anytime I opened the door, she

1138
01:18:35.039 --> 01:18:39.920
was like right there. So anytime I came in and

1139
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:42.840
out of the shed and might kind of slip out

1140
01:18:43.520 --> 01:18:51.199
thut opening the door very much. And so yeah, I

1141
01:18:51.279 --> 01:18:54.920
just left her there after that after there went aside,

1142
01:18:57.560 --> 01:19:04.880
Uh boy, after that, see that would have been uh

1143
01:19:06.079 --> 01:19:08.800
what did we say? The nineteenth? Monday was the nineteenth,

1144
01:19:08.920 --> 01:19:13.600
So that would have made it twentyth next Tuesday, Yeah, Tuesday,

1145
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:16.880
that would be in the twentieth. Yeah, actually at the time,

1146
01:19:18.640 --> 01:19:21.279
oh I, so Tuesday would have been the twenty first.

1147
01:19:23.039 --> 01:19:31.239
Soda was getting back the next day. So I remember

1148
01:19:31.319 --> 01:19:34.039
thinking I had a lot to do and not really

1149
01:19:37.079 --> 01:19:39.159
hadn't really figured out how I was gonna pull it off.

1150
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:48.720
So that next night, Tuesday night, most of most of Tuesday,

1151
01:19:48.880 --> 01:19:52.279
I was out trying to get the stuff together that

1152
01:19:52.399 --> 01:19:56.119
I was gonna mean. I was looking for uh, newspapers.

1153
01:19:57.560 --> 01:20:02.159
I was looking for Lloyd camera, which is incredibly hard

1154
01:20:02.199 --> 01:20:13.119
to find nowadays, and bought some paper computer paper up

1155
01:20:13.119 --> 01:20:14.880
to a bunch of three stores. I was looking for

1156
01:20:15.000 --> 01:20:21.439
a typewriter. I don't remember exactly how much of that

1157
01:20:21.680 --> 01:20:24.159
I think maybe that first day. I think Tuesday, I

1158
01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:28.119
think I had found the typewriter. I think I had

1159
01:20:28.279 --> 01:20:39.439
found I couldn't I couldn't find cooleroid cameras anywhere. I

1160
01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:43.119
finally did a search online and found them at Target,

1161
01:20:44.079 --> 01:20:46.479
but by then I was already out of school, so

1162
01:20:46.720 --> 01:20:50.560
I ran down to Target with her and just ran

1163
01:20:50.640 --> 01:20:59.680
in the store and grabbed that, and they didn't have

1164
01:20:59.720 --> 01:21:03.239
any film for the Polaroid camera I got there, so

1165
01:21:03.479 --> 01:21:05.840
I went back to the house and went online and

1166
01:21:06.079 --> 01:21:11.479
supposedly they had it up in Moscilla. By this time,

1167
01:21:12.319 --> 01:21:14.359
I was realizing that I wasn't going to get everything

1168
01:21:14.520 --> 01:21:23.720
done by the time she got back, and so I

1169
01:21:23.880 --> 01:21:27.760
was just trying to get everything together. Did you go

1170
01:21:27.840 --> 01:21:30.720
to a sell and get the film? I went that night, yeah,

1171
01:21:30.760 --> 01:21:38.279
the twenty first, and the night before came yep. Yeah.

1172
01:21:38.319 --> 01:21:43.319
I waited till a sleep, make sure shut herself on

1173
01:21:43.399 --> 01:21:45.920
there by her pen, and I took off. Went up

1174
01:21:46.039 --> 01:21:53.920
to Watsila anymore and wants Yeah, Target and Mozilla. When

1175
01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:55.960
there parking lot, there was nobody there. I thought they

1176
01:21:55.960 --> 01:21:57.800
were closed, but they were opened, and they went in

1177
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:05.039
and got back of the film and went out and

1178
01:22:05.079 --> 01:22:09.000
got into the car and decided since I was up there,

1179
01:22:09.039 --> 01:22:12.159
I was gonna go look for the lake. But it

1180
01:22:12.319 --> 01:22:15.720
was really dark, and I drove. I don't know I'd

1181
01:22:16.520 --> 01:22:18.560
read the map wrong or something, because I ended up

1182
01:22:18.560 --> 01:22:20.680
way up on the other side of Palmer and didn't

1183
01:22:20.720 --> 01:22:23.399
realize that it was right there by the by the highway,

1184
01:22:26.039 --> 01:22:28.119
So I didn't actually find the lake that time. I

1185
01:22:28.279 --> 01:22:31.199
was just I was also just driver. Did you try

1186
01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:34.079
to find it? I wasn't trying that hard. I was

1187
01:22:34.199 --> 01:22:35.199
just looking for the sign.

1188
01:22:36.159 --> 01:22:36.479
I don't know.

1189
01:22:37.199 --> 01:22:40.720
I was thinking that if I saw the sign, I

1190
01:22:40.840 --> 01:22:42.920
was gonna stop and just walk down to it and

1191
01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:46.439
take a look around. See how many people were had

1192
01:22:46.680 --> 01:22:49.199
been using it. Did you use your phone or anything

1193
01:22:49.359 --> 01:22:51.840
to try to get on the internet to try to

1194
01:22:51.880 --> 01:22:52.439
find the lake?

1195
01:22:53.439 --> 01:22:53.840
I may have.

1196
01:22:54.119 --> 01:22:57.319
Yeah, I let you mention it. You did three times.

1197
01:22:58.199 --> 01:22:58.439
Yeah.

1198
01:23:00.600 --> 01:23:02.520
Yeah, it's really hard to read map quest on that

1199
01:23:02.560 --> 01:23:03.119
little screen.

1200
01:23:09.439 --> 01:23:09.640
Yeah.

1201
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:10.439
No, I wasn't.

1202
01:23:10.640 --> 01:23:11.479
I don't know, I was.

1203
01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:16.760
I was mostly just thinking about stuff I was. I

1204
01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:18.800
ended up way up on either side of Palmer and

1205
01:23:21.560 --> 01:23:23.520
kind of lost track of time, and then I just

1206
01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:25.319
decided it was getting too late and I needed to

1207
01:23:25.359 --> 01:23:27.760
get back, so I just the roads were really bad.

1208
01:23:27.800 --> 01:23:30.880
I remember that there was black ice that day, so

1209
01:23:33.279 --> 01:23:35.239
on the way up it wasn't too bad because of

1210
01:23:35.319 --> 01:23:38.079
all the Russia Hour traffic could take it off. But

1211
01:23:38.159 --> 01:23:39.680
on the way back, I don't think I could go

1212
01:23:39.760 --> 01:23:43.640
above like slow or forty five. It was slick. And

1213
01:23:45.439 --> 01:23:57.000
that was a nice car. And oh also on that day.

1214
01:23:57.039 --> 01:23:59.560
Earlier that day, I had been in fred Meyers I

1215
01:23:59.600 --> 01:24:04.640
think camera and that's where I got that sled, big sled,

1216
01:24:05.600 --> 01:24:10.359
I think. I Also, I don't know, I could be

1217
01:24:10.399 --> 01:24:12.920
wrong with my tapes on that stuff. Maybe I didn't

1218
01:24:12.960 --> 01:24:16.560
get some of it to left. I just seems like

1219
01:24:16.640 --> 01:24:18.279
I used her car to pick it up. I used

1220
01:24:18.279 --> 01:24:20.920
her car to pick up the sled. And there's some

1221
01:24:22.039 --> 01:24:26.399
I got two of those big totes from home depot

1222
01:24:27.960 --> 01:24:29.920
and it seems like I could use her card up

1223
01:24:30.119 --> 01:24:42.880
to another kid. Anyway, I uh had pretty much all

1224
01:24:42.920 --> 01:24:49.720
the stuff then. I can't remember when I got the typewriter.

1225
01:24:49.800 --> 01:24:51.399
It seems like that was the last thing I was

1226
01:24:51.479 --> 01:25:01.560
trying to find. She got back and picked her up

1227
01:25:02.840 --> 01:25:07.159
in the airport of thing. I don't remember what time

1228
01:25:07.199 --> 01:25:13.880
she went on something. It was late or something. And yeah,

1229
01:25:14.079 --> 01:25:16.600
after that was a business as usual for a couple

1230
01:25:16.640 --> 01:25:22.359
of days. I had some work stuff to do. I

1231
01:25:22.600 --> 01:25:26.520
was trying to work around schedule. I don't remember if

1232
01:25:26.560 --> 01:25:29.279
she went back to work right away or not. I

1233
01:25:29.479 --> 01:25:32.800
just remember that I wasn't going to do anything in

1234
01:25:32.920 --> 01:25:37.640
the shed until she was either at work or off

1235
01:25:37.760 --> 01:25:41.600
somewhere with her friends at night, because sometimes she when

1236
01:25:41.640 --> 01:25:46.039
I'm out there working, she'll come out pound them on

1237
01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:49.840
the door. Ever since she found my little grow operation,

1238
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:55.880
she you know, yeah, things weren't so good between us

1239
01:25:55.920 --> 01:26:02.159
after that. So so, yeah, I was waiting for her

1240
01:26:02.239 --> 01:26:10.159
to get back into her schedule, and I think, oh,

1241
01:26:13.600 --> 01:26:15.600
I don't remember. It seems like I did this once

1242
01:26:15.680 --> 01:26:26.720
she was she was still gone. But yeah, so anyway, irrelevant,

1243
01:26:27.720 --> 01:26:30.000
I already had. I went into Walmart at some point

1244
01:26:30.159 --> 01:26:35.640
and bought a much more makeup similar to the colors

1245
01:26:35.960 --> 01:26:44.439
that she had in her purse, and I got some

1246
01:26:44.600 --> 01:26:56.000
fishing line. I bought some needles, a newspaper. The newspaper

1247
01:26:56.720 --> 01:27:02.119
I ended up finding in the dumpster behind cars in

1248
01:27:02.239 --> 01:27:05.079
a big recycling dumpster and found out whole stack papers

1249
01:27:05.159 --> 01:27:11.560
like chronological order from about the sixth to the whenever

1250
01:27:11.680 --> 01:27:13.840
I got back nineteenth or twentieth or something.

1251
01:27:14.680 --> 01:27:16.399
Why did you pick up thirteenth.

1252
01:27:18.319 --> 01:27:29.960
Because I wasn't at Anchorage on thirteenth. And yeah, so

1253
01:27:30.039 --> 01:27:37.000
once I had all that stuff, I really can't remember.

1254
01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:39.560
It seems like it was gone. Maybe she was out

1255
01:27:39.600 --> 01:27:42.760
of town with friends or something. But I know it

1256
01:27:42.840 --> 01:27:47.920
took me all night to do it, to do that

1257
01:27:48.119 --> 01:27:55.520
all night to get the makeup done, and she was

1258
01:27:55.560 --> 01:27:59.399
still on the table, but you know, obviously she didn't

1259
01:27:59.720 --> 01:28:02.279
look as good as when I first thought her out.

1260
01:28:04.079 --> 01:28:09.840
So yeah, I have a lot of work to do,

1261
01:28:11.640 --> 01:28:25.159
and probably I don't know, two three hours I worked

1262
01:28:25.239 --> 01:28:29.920
on her during the link up and trying to figure

1263
01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:34.800
out how it's gonna position things, trying to make it

1264
01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:41.479
look like, uh she was still wise and uh the

1265
01:28:41.560 --> 01:28:45.880
biggest problem I had was with her face. I could

1266
01:28:45.920 --> 01:28:50.319
get the mankup to work, but I don't, you know,

1267
01:28:50.920 --> 01:28:55.800
her face was slack, So by then it was already

1268
01:28:55.840 --> 01:29:04.520
getting to be mourning, seems like. So that's when I

1269
01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:10.319
kind of gave up on on like the mouth and stuff.

1270
01:29:10.399 --> 01:29:13.960
I just uh decided to tape it, and I taped

1271
01:29:13.960 --> 01:29:21.840
it so that so that it looked like her face

1272
01:29:21.920 --> 01:29:28.279
had some texture too, I guess. And then I was

1273
01:29:28.359 --> 01:29:35.319
still having problems with uh her eyes m or her forehead,

1274
01:29:35.640 --> 01:29:45.960
you know, cause there was no expression. And tried super

1275
01:29:46.039 --> 01:29:51.239
glue that didn't work, and so I took the needles

1276
01:29:51.319 --> 01:29:58.359
that I had had a big uh curved needle, get

1277
01:29:58.399 --> 01:30:02.760
what they call it. But and then I had that

1278
01:30:02.920 --> 01:30:11.680
ten pound test fishing line, and I uh so uh

1279
01:30:11.880 --> 01:30:15.039
took the needle and went down through herr uh brow

1280
01:30:15.640 --> 01:30:22.800
like right between her eyebrows, down up uh along her

1281
01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:26.880
nose cartilage, under the skin, and came out and then

1282
01:30:27.319 --> 01:30:30.880
went back up and along the same path and did

1283
01:30:30.880 --> 01:30:33.720
it again, and then pulled the tight to make it

1284
01:30:33.800 --> 01:30:39.920
look like she was squeezing her eyes shut. And then

1285
01:30:41.159 --> 01:30:44.560
I took a test picture just to kind of see

1286
01:30:44.640 --> 01:30:49.479
what it was gonna look like. Kay put a little

1287
01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:54.119
more makeup on after that. I already had her hair

1288
01:30:54.159 --> 01:31:01.479
braided at that point. And where did you put make

1289
01:31:01.520 --> 01:31:05.680
a cup on it? Makeup? I used, like what was

1290
01:31:05.760 --> 01:31:10.600
left over, I mean, wear on her everywhere. I had

1291
01:31:10.640 --> 01:31:13.760
to put foundation, Like every part you see in that

1292
01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:17.600
picture has foundation on two or three different kinds. Why

1293
01:31:17.640 --> 01:31:22.960
did you do that? Well, she didn't looked good. I

1294
01:31:23.039 --> 01:31:25.720
mean her skin, you could see it start to see

1295
01:31:25.760 --> 01:31:30.279
the blood and under the skin and the uh brits

1296
01:31:30.319 --> 01:31:37.840
some bruising, and I mean she was still in good shape,

1297
01:31:37.880 --> 01:31:43.439
but you know, she definitely didn't work alive. And so yeah,

1298
01:31:43.479 --> 01:31:45.960
it took me a long time. I think I used

1299
01:31:47.800 --> 01:31:51.479
two or three tubes of foundation, and then after that

1300
01:31:51.600 --> 01:31:54.119
I had to go over it with a couple other

1301
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:57.600
colors in different areas, cause I mean, at first it

1302
01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:01.319
just looked like she was painted. I had to add

1303
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:04.840
in some red and I don't know, different stuff, different places.

1304
01:32:07.319 --> 01:32:09.279
It took. It was a it was a while. It

1305
01:32:09.359 --> 01:32:11.479
was like, I don't know, between three and five hours,

1306
01:32:12.920 --> 01:32:18.840
and then h had, you know, like the face makeup

1307
01:32:18.920 --> 01:32:26.399
that I was took a while two and and then

1308
01:32:26.600 --> 01:32:29.159
I took I don't know, it took me about It

1309
01:32:29.279 --> 01:32:34.640
was hard to take the picture because the polaroid I

1310
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:40.680
had only gives a print out of about two by

1311
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:46.439
two and a half inches or something, and so I

1312
01:32:46.520 --> 01:32:48.960
think I took about five or six pictures before I

1313
01:32:49.079 --> 01:32:51.680
finally had one that only showed what I wanted.

1314
01:32:53.520 --> 01:32:54.640
Did you cut the corner off?

1315
01:32:55.199 --> 01:32:58.479
Yeah, well I caught the edges off the whole photograph.

1316
01:32:58.640 --> 01:33:05.000
At first, I was thinking give 'em the polaroid and

1317
01:33:05.119 --> 01:33:11.760
have the note separate, and then I decided that it

1318
01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:16.960
would be less. It would be harder for you to

1319
01:33:17.039 --> 01:33:21.199
figure out if I scanned the picture with the printer,

1320
01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:25.279
not through the computer, but just with the scanner onto

1321
01:33:25.319 --> 01:33:29.560
the paper. That way, you probably wouldn't know for sure

1322
01:33:29.600 --> 01:33:35.600
that it was a polaroid, and so yeah, that's what

1323
01:33:35.720 --> 01:33:40.000
I did. And then after I remember when I decided

1324
01:33:40.000 --> 01:33:41.640
to do it that way, I was thinking, well, hell,

1325
01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:45.000
if I was gonna do this, I could have easier

1326
01:33:45.039 --> 01:33:47.159
ways I could have done it, or they're running all

1327
01:33:47.199 --> 01:33:53.159
over the town for a polaroid. But yeah, so I

1328
01:33:53.359 --> 01:33:54.800
I just decided to do it that way.

1329
01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.560
Did you cut the corner off because it showed the mark.

1330
01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:06.119
In your arm? Well, it wasn't so much the brand

1331
01:34:06.159 --> 01:34:08.600
that was showing, but I have some moles on my arm,

1332
01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:13.319
and I was you know, I looked at it pretty carefully,

1333
01:34:14.560 --> 01:34:17.800
and I, yeah, I guess I was just thinking that

1334
01:34:19.399 --> 01:34:23.960
it might show something I was. I was thinking, keep

1335
01:34:24.039 --> 01:34:28.039
the minimum amount of my arm in there and still

1336
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:35.119
get the message acrossed. Yeah.

1337
01:34:35.279 --> 01:34:35.760
So then.

1338
01:34:38.439 --> 01:34:40.640
Once I had all the pictures, I saved out the

1339
01:34:40.720 --> 01:34:47.840
best one and then everything except for her and I

1340
01:34:47.920 --> 01:34:49.840
went into another garbage bag. There was a lot of

1341
01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:56.359
other stuff out there. There was like a pillow that

1342
01:34:56.520 --> 01:35:01.920
I had under her at first. All that stuff I

1343
01:35:02.000 --> 01:35:07.000
put in the garbage bag. And remember I was home

1344
01:35:07.079 --> 01:35:10.520
for sure at that point, because I waited until it

1345
01:35:10.600 --> 01:35:13.039
was really late one night and then burned all that stuff,

1346
01:35:13.199 --> 01:35:16.079
like all the makeup. Then I didn't use some of

1347
01:35:16.119 --> 01:35:19.840
them makeup, but that's all gone, Like it was in

1348
01:35:19.960 --> 01:35:23.239
this old case she had out in the garage, and

1349
01:35:23.520 --> 01:35:28.159
I she never uses it, so I knew she would

1350
01:35:28.279 --> 01:35:29.960
miss it. So I just used it. And then once

1351
01:35:30.039 --> 01:35:32.680
I was done with it, I threw little way everything

1352
01:35:32.760 --> 01:35:37.079
that was in that shit that except for her in

1353
01:35:37.279 --> 01:35:44.119
the table, and she was still on the table. She

1354
01:35:44.239 --> 01:35:48.720
was still tied to the wall, but everything else was

1355
01:35:48.760 --> 01:35:52.520
out there. I went to that bag and got burned.

1356
01:35:53.079 --> 01:36:08.960
And then, yeah, why did you bring a mare make

1357
01:36:09.039 --> 01:36:12.600
it more believable? I guess, well, well there, I mean,

1358
01:36:12.680 --> 01:36:15.960
there is more to it, but yeah, that was don't

1359
01:36:16.000 --> 01:36:20.520
me anything. Why did you go to all the trouble

1360
01:36:20.600 --> 01:36:42.079
too to do this day the lot of park? Well

1361
01:36:42.199 --> 01:36:47.159
it w put it this way. I mean, it's obvious

1362
01:36:47.239 --> 01:36:49.800
why I did it. I did it. The bottom line

1363
01:36:50.000 --> 01:36:53.640
was to get money out of it. But at the

1364
01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:59.720
same time, not like I didn't even want to do it.

1365
01:37:04.359 --> 01:37:09.880
Why thirty thousand dollars I was.

1366
01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:14.680
I was following the story when I was in New

1367
01:37:14.800 --> 01:37:19.279
Orleans and then either my computer or the hotel computer,

1368
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:23.359
I don't remember, and I was amazed at how much

1369
01:37:23.479 --> 01:37:33.000
money suddenly became involved. But the plan had always been.

1370
01:37:34.159 --> 01:37:36.640
There was always the plan. That's why I had the

1371
01:37:36.680 --> 01:37:38.840
debit card. That's why I got the number. That's why

1372
01:37:38.920 --> 01:37:42.920
I had her phone. That's why that's the only things

1373
01:37:42.920 --> 01:37:46.319
I kept. Did you need money at this time for

1374
01:37:46.439 --> 01:37:46.840
some reason?

1375
01:37:48.000 --> 01:37:48.039
No?

1376
01:37:50.600 --> 01:37:52.560
Oh, if I was out, i'd have work right now.

1377
01:37:54.039 --> 01:37:55.800
So why did you go for the money? Why'd you

1378
01:37:55.840 --> 01:38:01.800
want them? Cause I was bored with my work?

1379
01:38:04.439 --> 01:38:06.439
You said that you you were, you were following the

1380
01:38:06.560 --> 01:38:08.039
story while you were in New Orleans?

1381
01:38:08.680 --> 01:38:10.359
What what? What did you think of it?

1382
01:38:10.560 --> 01:38:15.159
What did you think of you know? His press release?

1383
01:38:15.479 --> 01:38:17.079
The why are we guys?

1384
01:38:17.239 --> 01:38:19.960
When we get into why, I mean we went, we

1385
01:38:20.039 --> 01:38:22.520
went over to what you know? I just don't know

1386
01:38:22.640 --> 01:38:25.720
where what else you need? He's covered a ransom note.

1387
01:38:26.079 --> 01:38:27.399
I mean everything you need.

1388
01:38:27.479 --> 01:38:27.760
I don't.

1389
01:38:27.920 --> 01:38:30.760
I don't want to spit here all night talking about why,

1390
01:38:31.319 --> 01:38:32.079
and I don't think.

1391
01:38:31.960 --> 01:38:33.960
It's we're a little bit of what we agreed to.

1392
01:38:36.119 --> 01:38:37.079
Well, I mean that.

1393
01:38:38.560 --> 01:38:43.000
I was following the story. I don't. Yeah, that's you

1394
01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:44.960
asked about the money. That's why I mentioned that I

1395
01:38:45.039 --> 01:38:48.159
was following the story. That's how the thirty thousand dollars

1396
01:38:48.199 --> 01:38:50.279
idea came up. I always knew that I was gonna

1397
01:38:50.640 --> 01:38:54.960
put something about money in the ransom note, partly because

1398
01:38:54.960 --> 01:38:59.840
I was curious to see if it would happen. I

1399
01:39:00.159 --> 01:39:07.680
was curious to see if see what would happen. Wasn't

1400
01:39:07.720 --> 01:39:10.079
that risky to ask for money when on a debit card?

1401
01:39:10.159 --> 01:39:12.640
Didn't think that was kind of risky. I didn't think so.

1402
01:39:13.039 --> 01:39:15.880
I didn't. You didn't think you would get traced from

1403
01:39:15.920 --> 01:39:21.800
your ATM transactions? Now, how were you going to determine

1404
01:39:21.840 --> 01:39:23.640
if anybody put money in the account? Anyway?

1405
01:39:26.119 --> 01:39:26.439
Well, I.

1406
01:39:30.279 --> 01:39:34.520
I wrote the ansom note. It was already home. Actually,

1407
01:39:34.640 --> 01:39:37.239
they were already I think the day I wrote it,

1408
01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:44.520
I want to say, was at work or something. It

1409
01:39:44.600 --> 01:39:47.800
seems like she had friends either was coming into town

1410
01:39:47.880 --> 01:39:50.159
or he was already there somewhere or something. And I

1411
01:39:50.279 --> 01:39:52.560
remember that there was a lot going on. But there

1412
01:39:52.640 --> 01:39:55.960
was one day that there was nobody around the house,

1413
01:39:57.560 --> 01:40:00.039
and I brought the typewriter into the house and and

1414
01:40:01.359 --> 01:40:05.479
it didn't take me that long. I mean, I opened

1415
01:40:05.560 --> 01:40:08.560
that pack of computer paper I got and put it

1416
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:12.439
in the typewriter, and the thing worked fine, and typed

1417
01:40:12.520 --> 01:40:16.840
up one draft the ransom note, stuck it in the

1418
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:21.239
printer feet tray hit copy with the picture in there.

1419
01:40:21.439 --> 01:40:26.960
As soon as I had done that, I pulled the well.

1420
01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:29.279
I mean I had gloves on the whole time I

1421
01:40:29.439 --> 01:40:32.560
was doing I had latex gloves on the whole time

1422
01:40:32.640 --> 01:40:35.840
I was typing it. And you know, I never touched

1423
01:40:35.840 --> 01:40:40.479
the paper or anything. She was a purposefully misspells of

1424
01:40:40.560 --> 01:40:41.640
stuff in the ransom note.

1425
01:40:42.439 --> 01:40:43.279
I didn't know.

1426
01:40:43.920 --> 01:40:46.520
I was just typed. I you know, I wasn't really

1427
01:40:46.560 --> 01:40:49.199
that concerned about the wording of it. I was I

1428
01:40:49.239 --> 01:40:51.880
had an idea, like the message I wanted to get across.

1429
01:40:52.039 --> 01:40:55.039
But what was with the desert? You said she scaped

1430
01:40:55.079 --> 01:40:57.319
on Tutor, and that was true, almost scaped on Tutor.

1431
01:40:57.399 --> 01:40:59.720
That was true, right, And then you said him once

1432
01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:00.279
in the death.

1433
01:41:04.439 --> 01:41:04.920
That was.

1434
01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:12.439
Calculation that I had in my head from the time

1435
01:41:12.520 --> 01:41:17.239
the picture was taken to the time the ransom note

1436
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:23.159
was given was about ten days, and I guess I

1437
01:41:23.319 --> 01:41:28.399
was thinking make it sound as if she had been

1438
01:41:28.600 --> 01:41:34.960
sold as a sex slave, maybe somewhere in Mexico. It's

1439
01:41:34.960 --> 01:41:37.199
about how long it would take to drive there from

1440
01:41:37.239 --> 01:41:39.880
the thirteenth can get back to Anchorage if you were driving,

1441
01:41:40.960 --> 01:41:42.760
So you just assumed that there would be money in

1442
01:41:42.840 --> 01:41:44.640
the account or when you checked the first time on

1443
01:41:44.720 --> 01:41:50.319
the twenty eight. Yeah, no, I mean I was.

1444
01:41:53.039 --> 01:41:54.640
Because you knew there was only five dollars in it.

1445
01:41:57.119 --> 01:41:59.880
Five you checked it the night you got the car,

1446
01:42:00.000 --> 01:42:00.520
and you neither were.

1447
01:42:00.600 --> 01:42:02.159
No, there was only like ninety four cents in the

1448
01:42:02.279 --> 01:42:05.359
right and I checked it. So what made you think

1449
01:42:05.399 --> 01:42:07.039
there was gonna be money in an on the twenty eight.

1450
01:42:07.800 --> 01:42:14.840
Because you'd had the ransom note for I knew. I. Oh,

1451
01:42:15.000 --> 01:42:18.960
that was a crazy night, all right.

1452
01:42:19.039 --> 01:42:21.560
So after I wrote the ransom note and had it

1453
01:42:21.640 --> 01:42:28.039
in the bag, I had the bag dashed somewhere. I

1454
01:42:28.079 --> 01:42:31.720
had it double bagged and two ESIP block bags. The

1455
01:42:31.800 --> 01:42:40.600
one on the inside I had never touched. See how

1456
01:42:40.640 --> 01:42:45.479
did that work? All right? So the morning, the morning

1457
01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:49.920
that you got the text about the ransom note, really

1458
01:42:50.000 --> 01:42:55.119
early in the morning, I got up before, like way

1459
01:42:55.199 --> 01:42:57.800
before I normally do it, maybe six or seven o'clock,

1460
01:42:58.880 --> 01:43:05.079
and drove out to Connor's Park and put it under

1461
01:43:05.119 --> 01:43:12.680
that picture with the push pin, and then I went

1462
01:43:13.000 --> 01:43:17.880
directly back to the house and the rest of the

1463
01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:24.039
day was pretty much business as usual. I think that

1464
01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:27.560
was the day came and I know that what happened

1465
01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:37.319
was I was out with friends that night. There were

1466
01:43:37.319 --> 01:43:39.760
a bunch of people out for the fur RANDI thing,

1467
01:43:41.119 --> 01:43:42.680
I said, I told him I didn't want to go,

1468
01:43:45.279 --> 01:43:54.920
and so I was designated driver that night.

1469
01:43:55.159 --> 01:43:55.520
I was.

1470
01:43:58.520 --> 01:44:01.840
I was thinking that was kind of perfect because I

1471
01:44:01.920 --> 01:44:03.760
was going to be all over town anyway, so I

1472
01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:08.800
went they were humpies. Then I was going to wait

1473
01:44:08.840 --> 01:44:11.479
a couple of days before sending the text, just to

1474
01:44:11.560 --> 01:44:14.479
make sure all my tracks were walked over out at

1475
01:44:14.680 --> 01:44:18.560
Corner's Park. But I figured they I mean, it's a

1476
01:44:18.600 --> 01:44:21.000
busy park, So I figured by that evening it would be.

1477
01:44:21.039 --> 01:44:24.399
Fine, and we weren't afraid somebody was gonna find it.

1478
01:44:24.680 --> 01:44:26.000
Kind of incidentally, you.

1479
01:44:26.079 --> 01:44:27.680
Know, just to kind of well that I was that

1480
01:44:27.800 --> 01:44:31.159
that's I didn't want to send in the text too

1481
01:44:31.239 --> 01:44:34.920
soon because I had used this card to planet and

1482
01:44:35.680 --> 01:44:37.800
it wasn't snowing much that day, so I knew that

1483
01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:41.960
there were probably I mean, I knew they were going

1484
01:44:42.039 --> 01:44:44.239
to be her tire tracks. I wasn't worried about my

1485
01:44:44.760 --> 01:44:51.239
shoeprints because I threw those shoes away, but yeah, I

1486
01:44:52.079 --> 01:44:54.239
was worried someone might find it. I was worried it

1487
01:44:54.359 --> 01:44:57.199
might fall out or something, so I wanted to send

1488
01:44:57.239 --> 01:44:59.600
the text pretty soon. And then it just worked out

1489
01:44:59.640 --> 01:45:03.920
that that I ended up not drinking or anything with anybody,

1490
01:45:05.239 --> 01:45:12.640
and they were at humpies and so or No, they didn't,

1491
01:45:12.760 --> 01:45:14.800
I don't know. I don't remember where they started out.

1492
01:45:15.159 --> 01:45:17.159
I remember it was funny the way it worked out, though,

1493
01:45:17.199 --> 01:45:23.479
because I dropped them off somewhere and they were out

1494
01:45:23.800 --> 01:45:32.479
partying for a while, and oh, I know what happened.

1495
01:45:33.000 --> 01:45:38.279
I drew out to all the way to the east side,

1496
01:45:39.880 --> 01:45:42.880
to his friend's house or to our friend's house over there,

1497
01:45:43.039 --> 01:45:45.039
and dropped him off because he didn't have a car

1498
01:45:45.119 --> 01:45:47.760
while he was here. I dropped him off first to

1499
01:45:47.840 --> 01:45:52.520
stopped in Uh yeah, I think I think we were

1500
01:45:52.600 --> 01:45:57.560
in star We stopped at the cars right there on

1501
01:45:57.840 --> 01:46:03.039
Boniface and and he stopped. He went in and got

1502
01:46:03.079 --> 01:46:06.479
a case of beer, and I had the I had

1503
01:46:06.840 --> 01:46:12.840
the cell phone on me, and so the whole time

1504
01:46:12.920 --> 01:46:15.439
I was dropping dropping him off, I was trying to

1505
01:46:15.479 --> 01:46:17.920
think of a good place to send the text from.

1506
01:46:19.520 --> 01:46:25.399
And so I dropped him off at his friend's house

1507
01:46:25.680 --> 01:46:29.279
and went back out to the car's parking lot to

1508
01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:31.840
one of the back corners and turned her phone on

1509
01:46:33.600 --> 01:46:38.439
and sent the text, looked at a few of the messages,

1510
01:46:40.000 --> 01:46:44.720
sent the text, and then took the phone battery out

1511
01:46:45.239 --> 01:46:47.359
right away and headed home.

1512
01:46:48.439 --> 01:46:52.239
Why did she send the text to her boyfriend's number?

1513
01:46:52.319 --> 01:46:54.840
Why not her father's num versus her father was the

1514
01:46:54.920 --> 01:46:57.479
one that kind of had control of the money.

1515
01:47:00.119 --> 01:47:03.039
I didn't think that fart through really well, because after

1516
01:47:05.039 --> 01:47:08.800
the first time I checked the account, I was thinking

1517
01:47:10.720 --> 01:47:13.600
that they probably never even got the text. I was

1518
01:47:13.680 --> 01:47:16.479
thinking it was probably intercepted by the police, because the

1519
01:47:16.520 --> 01:47:23.399
police probably had that phone, and that's not what I wanted.

1520
01:47:25.159 --> 01:47:30.920
I wanted everybody when you were, to know about the

1521
01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:33.840
ransom demand. I didn't want it to be in the

1522
01:47:33.920 --> 01:47:40.039
police in's hands. So yeah, I didn't think I was

1523
01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:43.920
originally thinking I should. I was originally thinking when I

1524
01:47:44.000 --> 01:47:45.720
sent the text, I was going to send a group

1525
01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:51.119
text every one of her contacts saying message, But I

1526
01:47:51.159 --> 01:47:53.439
don't know. There were a lot of people out and

1527
01:47:53.560 --> 01:47:56.760
around the car when I was texting, and I was paranoid.

1528
01:47:56.760 --> 01:47:58.159
I didn't want to be there for too long, so

1529
01:47:58.239 --> 01:48:00.920
I just sent it to that one number. Figured i'd

1530
01:48:00.920 --> 01:48:03.920
wait and see what happened. So I turned it off

1531
01:48:04.159 --> 01:48:09.439
and headed home. And I was home for I don't

1532
01:48:09.439 --> 01:48:11.760
remember what I was doing. I was home for a

1533
01:48:11.840 --> 01:48:21.079
while and got curious and decided to go out for

1534
01:48:21.119 --> 01:48:24.079
a little drive and see what was happening. And so

1535
01:48:24.279 --> 01:48:30.720
I headed down Wisconsin Street to Spernard and drove out

1536
01:48:31.039 --> 01:48:38.079
to Spinnard and drove past Connor's Park. And I knew

1537
01:48:38.199 --> 01:48:42.239
right away that I wasn't sure at that point that

1538
01:48:42.359 --> 01:48:45.039
the police had intercepted the message, but I was an

1539
01:48:45.119 --> 01:48:49.520
idea of just because of like it looked super hush hush.

1540
01:48:49.600 --> 01:48:51.399
There was like a big crime scene van there and

1541
01:48:51.439 --> 01:48:53.119
there was a couple of patrol cars, but there were

1542
01:48:53.159 --> 01:48:56.399
no lights and there was no you know, I knew

1543
01:48:56.439 --> 01:48:59.720
what I knew right away that that message had got through.

1544
01:49:00.199 --> 01:49:02.079
I didn't slow down a stop or anything. I just

1545
01:49:02.159 --> 01:49:06.039
drove kept driving down whatever road that is, like it's

1546
01:49:06.079 --> 01:49:10.439
a chance to Jewel Lake or whatever. And uh, when

1547
01:49:10.479 --> 01:49:16.479
I got down to Raspberry Road, I called told her

1548
01:49:16.560 --> 01:49:20.199
that I was that I hadn't been drinking or anything,

1549
01:49:20.279 --> 01:49:22.199
and that it asked her if she needed to ride,

1550
01:49:25.479 --> 01:49:32.159
and yeah, and then there was a party going over

1551
01:49:32.279 --> 01:49:35.800
on going on over I was I guess they were

1552
01:49:35.840 --> 01:49:39.479
playing poker or something. So yeah, then I went and

1553
01:49:39.800 --> 01:49:44.199
picked up and her friend was with her was there,

1554
01:49:44.720 --> 01:49:47.479
and so I picked them up at Humpies and gave

1555
01:49:47.560 --> 01:49:56.760
them a ride over to this house stuck. Yeah, and

1556
01:49:56.840 --> 01:50:04.439
then the should call the cab and I called him

1557
01:50:04.640 --> 01:50:07.359
to cancel his cab because I was gonna give him

1558
01:50:07.359 --> 01:50:09.880
my way back to our police. You've spent the night there,

1559
01:50:11.319 --> 01:50:16.439
and yeah, that was pretty much it. After that, I

1560
01:50:16.640 --> 01:50:20.239
just waited. I wasn't gonna check the account right away

1561
01:50:20.319 --> 01:50:23.560
because I still you know, she was still out in

1562
01:50:23.640 --> 01:50:23.960
the shed.

1563
01:50:26.319 --> 01:50:32.960
H My thought was that I should definitely get rid

1564
01:50:33.000 --> 01:50:37.119
of some more evidence before I won't get anything else.

1565
01:50:38.560 --> 01:50:43.279
And so I don't remember.

1566
01:50:43.520 --> 01:50:43.880
Yeah, I.

1567
01:50:46.199 --> 01:50:48.279
Mean I already told you about all this part, Like

1568
01:50:48.399 --> 01:50:54.800
what happened after this, there was a she was out

1569
01:50:54.840 --> 01:51:00.840
in the shed, and you know, she starting to smell

1570
01:51:00.880 --> 01:51:07.159
a little bit, so I am I wanted to keep her.

1571
01:51:10.199 --> 01:51:13.600
I didn't want to do it right then. That's why

1572
01:51:13.640 --> 01:51:15.720
I got the two totes. I was thinking I could

1573
01:51:16.199 --> 01:51:18.199
put her out in the backyard and bury her in

1574
01:51:18.279 --> 01:51:25.439
the snow bank and finished up later. Then I just

1575
01:51:25.520 --> 01:51:29.399
decided it was better just to do it, get it done,

1576
01:51:29.479 --> 01:51:36.319
and figure out some excuse as to know what I

1577
01:51:36.479 --> 01:51:43.560
was doing for three days. And yeah, so I took

1578
01:51:43.600 --> 01:51:48.359
her off, rolled her off the table, and took the

1579
01:51:48.399 --> 01:51:51.199
table apart, cut up the plilot that it was made

1580
01:51:51.279 --> 01:51:56.159
out of, and burned that, and then had a big

1581
01:51:58.199 --> 01:52:03.600
rolling toe wasn't very deep, about five or six inches teep,

1582
01:52:05.800 --> 01:52:13.199
and and put her in that. And that's what I

1583
01:52:13.640 --> 01:52:16.560
cut her up in What did she used to cut

1584
01:52:16.600 --> 01:52:23.359
her up? Did she find the knife? The yellow? That's

1585
01:52:23.399 --> 01:52:26.960
mostly what I used. I took the wire. I already

1586
01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:32.279
had the wire. I use the wire like a tourniquet

1587
01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:37.920
to keep the blood to the minimum, and wrapped it

1588
01:52:38.000 --> 01:52:40.479
around both sides of everywhere where I planned to cut,

1589
01:52:41.560 --> 01:52:48.199
and had everything all wired up, and then uh made

1590
01:52:48.239 --> 01:52:55.760
the cuts, only took pain a few minutes, and trickle

1591
01:52:55.840 --> 01:53:00.279
bagged everything and there wasn't really a mess in the

1592
01:53:00.319 --> 01:53:04.079
shed at all. I remember thinking that I was going

1593
01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:08.039
to have to burn the toe that I cut her up,

1594
01:53:08.159 --> 01:53:10.199
and all the vis screen and everything. But then I

1595
01:53:10.359 --> 01:53:14.319
just decided that even if someone founded the landfill, it

1596
01:53:14.319 --> 01:53:18.039
didn't really look like anything but trash. So yeah, so

1597
01:53:18.199 --> 01:53:20.239
I took all that stuff and I had some big

1598
01:53:21.439 --> 01:53:25.119
clear fifty five. They were really big trash bags that

1599
01:53:25.159 --> 01:53:30.520
I got at home depot and I started triple backed

1600
01:53:30.560 --> 01:53:35.079
her and blacked blast to darted back. Two different bundles

1601
01:53:36.199 --> 01:53:40.640
put the corner of the shed, and then they started

1602
01:53:41.199 --> 01:53:43.159
tearing down and all the this screen tore down, all

1603
01:53:43.279 --> 01:53:49.840
the spring stuffed it in, stuffed in the the big

1604
01:53:50.479 --> 01:53:55.039
clear bag. And then I had a bunch of other

1605
01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:58.640
stuff that I had used to thaw out in the

1606
01:53:58.720 --> 01:54:02.239
garage that I didn't think was looked that bad, So

1607
01:54:02.359 --> 01:54:05.760
I decided just to throw that stuff away too, So

1608
01:54:05.920 --> 01:54:09.520
I bagged all that stuff up and put it all

1609
01:54:09.560 --> 01:54:20.640
out in the trailer. And then she, Yeah, she sat

1610
01:54:20.680 --> 01:54:23.800
out there for a few days, two or three days.

1611
01:54:29.239 --> 01:54:39.920
That was only stand whiles. And yeah, I think at

1612
01:54:39.960 --> 01:54:42.840
that point, I yeah, because while there I was actually

1613
01:54:42.920 --> 01:54:47.079
building the ice hut in the garage. I had it

1614
01:54:47.119 --> 01:54:49.359
all set up cut What was.

1615
01:54:49.399 --> 01:54:51.560
It because I can't hear that, like, tell me about

1616
01:54:51.680 --> 01:54:54.279
was it like a wooden structure or what was it?

1617
01:54:55.239 --> 01:54:59.319
I had bought a tarp at Walmart. It was brown

1618
01:54:59.359 --> 01:55:01.920
on one side, silver on the other, I think it was.

1619
01:55:14.079 --> 01:55:20.279
It was a nine x twelve tar and the tent

1620
01:55:20.359 --> 01:55:23.399
poles were from a tent that we had out in

1621
01:55:23.479 --> 01:55:23.880
the shed.

1622
01:55:24.039 --> 01:55:24.279
Old.

1623
01:55:24.399 --> 01:55:26.760
Uh, it was a big tent, like I said, five

1624
01:55:26.880 --> 01:55:31.319
or six person tent, and I just designed the the

1625
01:55:31.399 --> 01:55:33.439
ice had around the size of the tart.

1626
01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:34.239
And the.

1627
01:55:35.760 --> 01:55:39.279
Height of the poles, and just made the wooden pieces

1628
01:55:40.359 --> 01:55:46.760
to hold it all together. And so when I took

1629
01:55:46.840 --> 01:55:48.560
everything out to the lake, all I had to have

1630
01:55:48.840 --> 01:55:52.359
to put it together was my cordless drill had a

1631
01:55:52.399 --> 01:55:54.800
big one inch bitt in it to drill holes into

1632
01:55:54.840 --> 01:55:58.399
the ice for the legs, and then I had a

1633
01:55:58.479 --> 01:56:01.840
fill up spit to screw on a couple of cross

1634
01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:07.199
braces for the roof portion. And once I had the frame,

1635
01:56:07.279 --> 01:56:11.680
i'd only tatoka I don't know, five or ten minutes

1636
01:56:12.239 --> 01:56:15.039
or on it, and the dark was just held on

1637
01:56:15.199 --> 01:56:18.439
with like the staples up the top and then the

1638
01:56:19.159 --> 01:56:22.760
bunge cord at the bottom and a couple of the

1639
01:56:22.840 --> 01:56:29.239
bungee quirks to hold the roof burn up. And yeah,

1640
01:56:29.319 --> 01:56:32.000
once I had all the ice fishing stuff set up,

1641
01:56:32.600 --> 01:56:38.319
I had the weights cut off. I had to cut

1642
01:56:38.399 --> 01:56:40.319
them apart with the angle grinder. They had like a

1643
01:56:40.600 --> 01:56:46.000
thick stainless cable that holds them together, and cut those

1644
01:56:46.079 --> 01:56:48.720
up into the number of pieces that I thought I

1645
01:56:48.760 --> 01:56:54.239
would need, and loaded all that stuff in the toe,

1646
01:56:54.760 --> 01:57:00.520
loaded in the wooden parts, took the of the ice

1647
01:57:00.680 --> 01:57:07.279
fishing hut, and I think I went up to the

1648
01:57:07.359 --> 01:57:10.600
lake the first time the day after left. I remember

1649
01:57:12.479 --> 01:57:14.960
I was in the office and I was looking at lakes.

1650
01:57:15.000 --> 01:57:17.159
He works for a fishing games, so I was actually

1651
01:57:17.239 --> 01:57:19.920
asking him about lakes around the area because I still

1652
01:57:19.960 --> 01:57:21.960
had decided for sure. I didn't really want to do

1653
01:57:22.039 --> 01:57:24.720
the Matt news School Lake because it was so small.

1654
01:57:25.960 --> 01:57:33.199
I wanted to do a really big lake, but they

1655
01:57:33.239 --> 01:57:38.239
were all quite a ways further north, and I knew

1656
01:57:38.239 --> 01:57:40.000
I was going to have to make I didn't want

1657
01:57:40.039 --> 01:57:42.720
to take everything up in one trip because I knew

1658
01:57:42.720 --> 01:57:44.199
I couldn't get it all out on the lake in

1659
01:57:44.279 --> 01:57:45.680
one trip, and I didn't want to leave it in

1660
01:57:45.800 --> 01:57:51.840
my truck. So I just decided on matt Newschool Lake

1661
01:57:51.920 --> 01:57:54.039
because I knew I was going to have to go

1662
01:57:54.159 --> 01:57:54.479
up there.

1663
01:57:54.399 --> 01:58:01.239
Three times, three times once by the tent t first time.

1664
01:58:01.319 --> 01:58:05.880
I had the lead weights and a snowshovel with my chainsaw,

1665
01:58:07.279 --> 01:58:09.960
some of the like the wooden pieces for the for

1666
01:58:10.079 --> 01:58:19.640
the ice hut, and had that big steel bar, and

1667
01:58:22.720 --> 01:58:24.600
I think I had my fishing stuff with me that

1668
01:58:24.720 --> 01:58:28.039
day too, just for appearances, But I wasn't planning on

1669
01:58:28.159 --> 01:58:37.680
fishing the first day, and I went up pretty late.

1670
01:58:39.640 --> 01:58:41.279
It was pretty late in the day of the first day.

1671
01:58:41.279 --> 01:58:42.960
I went up cause I know I wasn't gonna take

1672
01:58:43.079 --> 01:58:48.680
very long, and yeah, chainsaws would not keep it kept

1673
01:58:48.760 --> 01:58:50.720
dying on. It took me forever to cut the hole,

1674
01:58:52.560 --> 01:58:54.960
and I finally just finished it with the with the

1675
01:58:55.079 --> 01:59:01.079
bar and both with the dimensions of the hole, he

1676
01:59:01.159 --> 01:59:12.119
could guess it's about thirteen by twenty. I made it

1677
01:59:12.399 --> 01:59:15.079
big enough that well, I knew what size it had

1678
01:59:15.159 --> 01:59:17.199
to be, but I also was making it big enough

1679
01:59:17.399 --> 01:59:20.199
because I didn't know how thick the ice was. Now

1680
01:59:20.279 --> 01:59:22.920
thick was it? It was about twenty inches thick when

1681
01:59:22.960 --> 01:59:29.159
I was there, But in the past I've gone ice

1682
01:59:29.199 --> 01:59:31.640
fishing and the ice had been four or five feet thick.

1683
01:59:31.760 --> 01:59:34.600
So I was thinking I had to make it big

1684
01:59:34.720 --> 01:59:36.880
enough that I could fit the whole chainsaw down inside

1685
01:59:36.920 --> 01:59:38.840
the hole to keep kind of because the chainsaw only

1686
01:59:38.920 --> 01:59:44.159
has a sixteen inch bar. Unfortunately it didn't. I didn't

1687
01:59:44.199 --> 01:59:50.039
have to go through that much chace. But yeah, so

1688
01:59:50.119 --> 01:59:52.439
once the hole was cut, it was actually pretty easy

1689
01:59:52.640 --> 01:59:56.760
considering how bad the chainsaw was running there was another

1690
01:59:56.840 --> 01:59:59.079
guy fishing out there. He kept looking at it kind

1691
01:59:59.079 --> 01:59:59.439
of funny.

1692
02:00:01.119 --> 02:00:03.800
And why do you say, cause it was?

1693
02:00:04.479 --> 02:00:08.800
Well, he had an ice drill right there, So I

1694
02:00:08.840 --> 02:00:11.439
don't know. It's not very common way to go ice fishing.

1695
02:00:12.319 --> 02:00:16.279
Most people just have the auger. So I think she

1696
02:00:16.520 --> 02:00:21.279
was you are in the valley though, yeah, Halloween. So

1697
02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:25.800
I don't know. You just cutting a old should you

1698
02:00:25.880 --> 02:00:28.880
have the cut it? You pished sections or fully ice

1699
02:00:29.000 --> 02:00:31.279
up or just get it all. I just cut it.

1700
02:00:32.000 --> 02:00:34.239
I just cut out the whole square and then I

1701
02:00:34.319 --> 02:00:36.920
took the Once I had the perimeter of the hole

1702
02:00:37.000 --> 02:00:39.960
cut out that big heavy bar, I just hit it

1703
02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:42.159
like once or twice in the middle and it started

1704
02:00:42.239 --> 02:00:46.880
coming out big chunks. So I I bottomed out the

1705
02:00:47.000 --> 02:00:50.239
first cuts I made around it, and then cut it

1706
02:00:50.319 --> 02:00:53.319
a few more times, stuck the chin saw down there

1707
02:00:53.359 --> 02:00:56.319
and cut a few more. So you get some chunks

1708
02:00:56.359 --> 02:01:00.520
outside rest pushed under or no, I I got them

1709
02:01:00.520 --> 02:01:05.079
all out. I don't know for sure though, because I

1710
02:01:05.399 --> 02:01:07.880
once I found out, I think the chainsaw. I went

1711
02:01:07.960 --> 02:01:09.920
to do the second cuts, and I think the chainsaw

1712
02:01:10.000 --> 02:01:14.560
went through so once I you know, once the chainsaw

1713
02:01:14.640 --> 02:01:16.680
went through the ice, the hole filled up with water.

1714
02:01:16.880 --> 02:01:20.640
So I scrapped the chainsaw and just went to the

1715
02:01:20.720 --> 02:01:24.840
bar and it only took me, I don't know, five

1716
02:01:24.920 --> 02:01:26.880
or ten minutes to finish the boat with the bar.

1717
02:01:27.439 --> 02:01:30.680
And then once I had had the ice knocked out,

1718
02:01:30.720 --> 02:01:34.039
I used that big shovel to scoop out all the

1719
02:01:34.159 --> 02:01:40.000
chunks of ice and shoveled off the whole area down

1720
02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:44.000
to the ice, and took the weights out of the

1721
02:01:46.479 --> 02:01:48.960
out of the toads and buried them under the snow

1722
02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:57.079
piles and took some twine. I had about one hundred

1723
02:01:57.119 --> 02:02:00.439
feet of twine lent me on stuff that in there,

1724
02:02:01.520 --> 02:02:05.319
and I tied two of the weights to that and

1725
02:02:05.479 --> 02:02:08.680
checked to see how deep the water was. It was

1726
02:02:08.680 --> 02:02:10.920
supposed to be like sixty to eighty feet deep, but

1727
02:02:11.000 --> 02:02:13.520
I think it ended up only again about forty feet deep.

1728
02:02:15.920 --> 02:02:19.600
But I figured that was deep enough, so I so yeah,

1729
02:02:19.640 --> 02:02:23.079
After I checked that, I just packed everything back up

1730
02:02:23.199 --> 02:02:26.640
and buried the cover the hole, buried it with snow,

1731
02:02:27.239 --> 02:02:39.680
and then loaded the sled back up and left. I

1732
02:02:39.680 --> 02:02:43.279
had a parent teacher conference that day, didn't make it,

1733
02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:47.560
just scheduled for the mixter. Did she did you call

1734
02:02:47.640 --> 02:02:50.199
the school to let him know you were going to

1735
02:02:50.199 --> 02:02:51.800
be later, could yeah, I think I called him. I

1736
02:02:52.920 --> 02:02:55.800
didn't have my phone battery for the whole time I

1737
02:02:56.000 --> 02:02:58.479
was up the lake, but I had, I think once

1738
02:02:58.520 --> 02:03:00.520
I got to Eagle River that first I put my

1739
02:03:00.560 --> 02:03:04.359
phone battery back in and call her teacher to let

1740
02:03:04.439 --> 02:03:06.079
him know that I got the message but that I

1741
02:03:06.199 --> 02:03:08.880
wasn't gonna make it in time, and said that was

1742
02:03:08.960 --> 02:03:13.000
no problem, that I could reschedule for the next day.

1743
02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:19.600
So the next day, I left earlier, took the first

1744
02:03:21.439 --> 02:03:25.840
package up, and then just kind of guesstimated the time

1745
02:03:25.920 --> 02:03:27.840
and left. I don't know what time I left, maybe

1746
02:03:27.920 --> 02:03:33.000
two o'clock. Made it back to it to Anchorage to

1747
02:03:33.079 --> 02:03:37.760
do the teacher conference soon, and.

1748
02:03:39.720 --> 02:03:41.880
He said that there might have been some blood on

1749
02:03:42.000 --> 02:03:46.640
the ice. What was that prom if you had triple bagged?

1750
02:03:48.000 --> 02:04:00.479
Well, when she was triple bagged, and I had bailing

1751
02:04:00.560 --> 02:04:06.960
wire wrapped around the bags to keep them closed. So

1752
02:04:07.119 --> 02:04:10.520
when I was getting ready to put the weights on,

1753
02:04:10.920 --> 02:04:13.359
I took my knife, I mean it was that big

1754
02:04:13.479 --> 02:04:18.000
black folding one, and I cut open the bags. They

1755
02:04:18.000 --> 02:04:21.359
were laid flat on the ice inside the ice hut.

1756
02:04:22.479 --> 02:04:24.279
I cut open the bag all the way down and

1757
02:04:24.439 --> 02:04:29.000
kind of laid it out. I was trying to keep

1758
02:04:29.039 --> 02:04:31.520
everything as much in the bag as I could, so

1759
02:04:31.680 --> 02:04:34.520
I would grab the weights and wire it to each

1760
02:04:34.640 --> 02:04:38.640
piece and then I would drop it into the hole.

1761
02:04:40.239 --> 02:04:43.760
But it wasn't so much a problem with the first

1762
02:04:43.840 --> 02:04:46.000
day because the you know, like it was all the

1763
02:04:46.079 --> 02:04:52.560
smaller pieces. But the next day when I did the torso,

1764
02:04:52.760 --> 02:04:56.279
there was quite a bit of blood in the bags

1765
02:04:56.600 --> 02:05:02.199
and it was pretty hebby once I had the weights

1766
02:05:02.279 --> 02:05:04.279
on it. So when I went to drop it in

1767
02:05:04.319 --> 02:05:07.239
the hole, I kind of fell a little bit, and

1768
02:05:07.319 --> 02:05:09.960
then a bunch of water out of the hole like

1769
02:05:10.119 --> 02:05:11.600
splashed up all around.

1770
02:05:11.840 --> 02:05:16.359
So there was you know, it looked like blood, right,

1771
02:05:16.720 --> 02:05:19.520
like wet every wet everything that was frozen kind of thing.

1772
02:05:19.680 --> 02:05:22.279
Or Yeah, it just spread out for the whole, through

1773
02:05:22.279 --> 02:05:26.880
the whole inside of the ice shack. I mean, it

1774
02:05:27.039 --> 02:05:30.199
wasn't obviously blood, but it definitely wasn't clear water either,

1775
02:05:30.479 --> 02:05:32.319
right tail that it had something in it.

1776
02:05:33.199 --> 02:05:33.479
So I.

1777
02:05:36.039 --> 02:05:37.960
I think I tried to shovel most of that up

1778
02:05:38.039 --> 02:05:47.479
and buried it in the snow bank nearby, and and

1779
02:05:47.560 --> 02:05:51.000
then I loaded, you know, each day with the backs

1780
02:05:51.079 --> 02:05:54.600
that I had used and took them back to the

1781
02:05:54.720 --> 02:05:56.920
house and burned them right away. Did you have a

1782
02:05:57.000 --> 02:06:00.279
fire out there at all with the lake? Yeah? What'd

1783
02:06:00.319 --> 02:06:05.319
you burn out there? A scraps from my business? There

1784
02:06:05.520 --> 02:06:16.159
was heat, yeah, I think, yeah, did you burn that?

1785
02:06:17.800 --> 02:06:23.039
I didn't burn it out there? I don't think. No,

1786
02:06:23.239 --> 02:06:27.920
I didn't, cause it was it was a big piece supply.

1787
02:06:28.239 --> 02:06:34.720
It was about sixteen by thirty or something like that.

1788
02:06:37.119 --> 02:06:39.439
It was big enough to cover the hole all the

1789
02:06:39.479 --> 02:06:44.079
way around. And I know on my way back the

1790
02:06:44.199 --> 02:06:47.319
last day, I put it underneath the toat on the

1791
02:06:47.359 --> 02:06:50.800
bottom of the sled. So if it wasn't there, then

1792
02:06:51.079 --> 02:06:52.920
that means I cut it up with the skill song

1793
02:06:52.920 --> 02:06:58.479
in the backyard and burned it in the fireplace. Is

1794
02:06:58.479 --> 02:07:00.079
there a reason you did this over two days as

1795
02:07:00.079 --> 02:07:03.960
a post station. Yeah. I didn't want to leave. I

1796
02:07:04.079 --> 02:07:05.880
wanted to do it in one, but I didn't want

1797
02:07:05.920 --> 02:07:09.039
to leave half of her in the truck while I

1798
02:07:09.159 --> 02:07:11.319
was down on the lake. And I didn't want to

1799
02:07:12.720 --> 02:07:15.960
be seen making trips back and forth to the ice

1800
02:07:16.560 --> 02:07:25.079
hut because there were houses there and stuff. So yeah,

1801
02:07:28.479 --> 02:07:32.239
I actually thought about leaving the ice hut things set

1802
02:07:32.319 --> 02:07:35.720
up for the first day, but I didn't want people

1803
02:07:35.760 --> 02:07:37.840
to get curious to walk out there and check it out.

1804
02:07:37.960 --> 02:07:40.199
So I just decided to take it down and set

1805
02:07:40.239 --> 02:07:41.239
it up at the next day.

1806
02:07:44.479 --> 02:07:48.680
Was there any reason, any like meth into the order

1807
02:07:48.800 --> 02:07:51.399
that you took the body parts out? You said, the

1808
02:07:51.479 --> 02:07:53.560
first day you took the smaller parts out, and the

1809
02:07:53.640 --> 02:07:59.520
second day was the tour stout, just to kind of

1810
02:08:00.439 --> 02:08:02.720
see how it went with the smaller stuff before you

1811
02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:03.840
took the torso.

1812
02:08:04.039 --> 02:08:09.199
Because the torso was quite a bit heavier and bigger,

1813
02:08:09.880 --> 02:08:17.520
and and so the first day, I I think I

1814
02:08:17.560 --> 02:08:21.159
had some extra firewood, few extra things that I was

1815
02:08:21.239 --> 02:08:22.960
thinking I'd leave out there, and then I'd have more

1816
02:08:23.039 --> 02:08:25.279
room the next day. And that's the way. That's why

1817
02:08:25.279 --> 02:08:26.039
I did it that one.

1818
02:08:27.159 --> 02:08:28.960
And you said, the first day you took the smaller

1819
02:08:29.000 --> 02:08:31.720
pieces out, just the four lombs. Did you cut the

1820
02:08:31.760 --> 02:08:35.279
four lombs into any pieces or was it four in Townland?

1821
02:08:35.600 --> 02:08:40.119
Well, it was. Her arms were bound together into one bundle,

1822
02:08:41.600 --> 02:08:44.199
and the legs were separate, and her head was separate,

1823
02:08:44.680 --> 02:08:50.159
so it was four pieces. And then you went the

1824
02:08:50.239 --> 02:08:53.119
one day you went to the parent teacher conference after

1825
02:08:53.319 --> 02:08:55.760
you had to up the power of your body. Yeah,

1826
02:08:56.000 --> 02:08:59.359
that was the first day. How did you stay calmly

1827
02:08:59.439 --> 02:09:03.560
up to go do that. I didn't really think about it.

1828
02:09:03.720 --> 02:09:07.720
I mean the first day, I like I say, dumping

1829
02:09:07.840 --> 02:09:10.920
the body took me about five or ten minutes. Once

1830
02:09:11.000 --> 02:09:19.239
the ice shack was setup, I did that first thing

1831
02:09:19.800 --> 02:09:24.359
and rolled all the bags up and kind of stuffed

1832
02:09:24.399 --> 02:09:26.479
them in the toad at the bottom in case fishing

1833
02:09:26.560 --> 02:09:30.000
game came out to check on me or whatever. And

1834
02:09:30.119 --> 02:09:32.159
then once I had done that, I set up my

1835
02:09:32.319 --> 02:09:37.199
chair and started a fire and started fishing. And I

1836
02:09:37.279 --> 02:09:42.119
fished out there for I don't know, quite a while,

1837
02:09:42.199 --> 02:09:43.640
two or three hours the first day.

1838
02:09:43.600 --> 02:09:43.680
And.

1839
02:09:45.439 --> 02:09:47.239
Then the second was the second day when you had

1840
02:09:47.279 --> 02:09:50.159
the student. No, that was that day, the first day,

1841
02:09:50.479 --> 02:09:52.399
the first day, the day I missed.

1842
02:09:52.399 --> 02:09:53.840
It was the day I went to cut the hole.

1843
02:09:53.920 --> 02:09:58.600
I think, I think, I don't know that seems what

1844
02:09:58.760 --> 02:10:02.159
it was like. What it was the conference or was

1845
02:10:02.199 --> 02:10:03.760
it just a parent teacher.

1846
02:10:04.119 --> 02:10:07.960
No, she was at taekwondo. She goes to taekwondo every

1847
02:10:08.039 --> 02:10:15.640
day after well pretty much every day after school. And

1848
02:10:15.720 --> 02:10:18.279
it was actually for her. It wasn't even really a

1849
02:10:18.399 --> 02:10:19.520
parent teacher conference.

1850
02:10:19.600 --> 02:10:19.960
It was.

1851
02:10:22.119 --> 02:10:24.319
Parent teacher conference I had done over the phone as

1852
02:10:24.359 --> 02:10:29.159
a teacher because it was scheduled for fifteenth, but I

1853
02:10:29.239 --> 02:10:31.720
didn't get back. I had to change my plane tickets,

1854
02:10:32.439 --> 02:10:35.199
so I didn't get back until the eighteenth, And so

1855
02:10:35.960 --> 02:10:37.680
our teacher and I just talked on the phone. We

1856
02:10:37.760 --> 02:10:41.279
did the conference of the phone. The meeting that I

1857
02:10:41.399 --> 02:10:45.319
had was with the ignite teacher. They were putting in

1858
02:10:46.199 --> 02:10:48.159
like a fast track program of.

1859
02:10:48.239 --> 02:10:51.039
Some sort at the school, like a gifting program.

1860
02:10:51.399 --> 02:10:54.039
Yeah, so they wanted to talk to me about that

1861
02:10:54.239 --> 02:10:58.159
and just let me know what it was about. Yeah,

1862
02:10:58.159 --> 02:11:03.600
it was fun talk to or contact to you whatever.

1863
02:11:03.720 --> 02:11:08.439
Out on the aft there partish gangy worse EXPI no, no,

1864
02:11:08.760 --> 02:11:11.279
with the exception of that first day when I cut

1865
02:11:11.319 --> 02:11:23.399
the hole, I didn't see anybody I saw. It was

1866
02:11:23.800 --> 02:11:26.319
maybe the first I don't remember first day or second

1867
02:11:26.399 --> 02:11:30.079
day when I took the body out. I remember I

1868
02:11:30.239 --> 02:11:33.199
came back up the hill after I was done fishing.

1869
02:11:33.439 --> 02:11:36.840
And on one of those days there was a car

1870
02:11:36.960 --> 02:11:39.479
there in the parking lot with my truck. But I

1871
02:11:39.520 --> 02:11:41.640
could tell by the tracks that they had just gone

1872
02:11:42.119 --> 02:11:44.960
like a cross country skiing. It would like on the

1873
02:11:45.039 --> 02:11:48.000
trail there wed a dog with them or something and

1874
02:11:48.079 --> 02:11:52.119
they so, yeah, they never even came down by the lake.

1875
02:11:52.159 --> 02:11:54.079
They probably didn't even see me on the lake. Things

1876
02:11:54.119 --> 02:11:57.520
that they went on the trail that looked like it

1877
02:11:57.640 --> 02:12:02.840
kind of ran parallel to the Glint Highway. Something to

1878
02:12:03.000 --> 02:12:06.039
be fishing, I mean, was that to catch fish that

1879
02:12:06.119 --> 02:12:08.319
you can cover your behavior or was there another reason

1880
02:12:08.359 --> 02:12:15.600
for fish? No, I just wanted to go fishing. Sounds weird,

1881
02:12:15.680 --> 02:12:19.520
but that's the first Well you sound like you were

1882
02:12:19.640 --> 02:12:22.640
very calm meet and you were able to fish and

1883
02:12:22.760 --> 02:12:29.399
then go to meet with teacher and yeah, oh I

1884
02:12:30.039 --> 02:12:35.159
want some No, I was. I was more calm than

1885
02:12:35.279 --> 02:12:40.640
than I had been the whole time, because especially on

1886
02:12:40.800 --> 02:12:44.439
the on the last day I went fishing, because at

1887
02:12:44.479 --> 02:12:49.319
that point there was virtunately nothing left. It was, you know,

1888
02:12:49.600 --> 02:12:55.159
I was pretty much done and I had to get

1889
02:12:55.199 --> 02:12:59.399
back to work anyway. So yeah, talking to some clients

1890
02:12:59.439 --> 02:13:07.920
some stuff. Would you do a fishing thought? Heaving for dinner? Guy?

1891
02:13:07.960 --> 02:13:13.319
Just done? Are you done? I mean there's a lot more.

1892
02:13:13.399 --> 02:13:15.119
I understand what you're saying that there's a lot more.

1893
02:13:15.159 --> 02:13:17.399
We'd like to know. We agree. Well, that was pretty

1894
02:13:17.439 --> 02:13:20.760
much it. I mean, after that was done, that was

1895
02:13:21.279 --> 02:13:27.239
what was that? What would I say? Oh, that was

1896
02:13:27.359 --> 02:13:32.199
after I guess the note. So by then it was

1897
02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:36.399
through twenty eight or no, twenty eight was the first

1898
02:13:36.479 --> 02:13:39.239
day it was the carve so and that was just

1899
02:13:39.279 --> 02:13:41.520
a random you just decided to eat it that day.

1900
02:13:42.760 --> 02:13:46.159
They argue there was going to be much Oh I

1901
02:13:46.279 --> 02:13:48.439
was gonna check. I figured it had been four days,

1902
02:13:50.119 --> 02:13:51.520
so if there was going to be money and it

1903
02:13:51.640 --> 02:13:52.319
would be in there.

1904
02:13:54.399 --> 02:13:57.479
And did you ever try to reach out to.

1905
02:13:59.199 --> 02:14:02.079
Any other ever trying to reach out to anybody else

1906
02:14:02.279 --> 02:14:05.720
in the search team or anything like that, you know,

1907
02:14:05.800 --> 02:14:09.680
and like I just the ransom, no door, any kind

1908
02:14:09.680 --> 02:14:12.199
of communication to the Cony family.

1909
02:14:12.079 --> 02:14:15.439
At all, with the exception of that text message.

1910
02:14:15.079 --> 02:14:15.199
You know.

1911
02:14:15.640 --> 02:14:18.560
Okay, what about the blogs and what you say? I

1912
02:14:18.600 --> 02:14:23.159
think I posted maybe one or two comments on A

1913
02:14:23.920 --> 02:14:27.760
eight and article, but I I mean I used to

1914
02:14:27.800 --> 02:14:28.840
post on there all the time.

1915
02:14:28.880 --> 02:14:30.600
But I don't were they the ones that were on

1916
02:14:30.680 --> 02:14:32.439
They would think it was like DT or DO or

1917
02:14:32.520 --> 02:14:33.640
Katy what are they?

1918
02:14:35.119 --> 02:14:36.159
KTB A blog?

1919
02:14:38.039 --> 02:14:38.159
Was it?

1920
02:14:38.640 --> 02:14:40.960
I don't remember. I thought it was on A. I

1921
02:14:41.000 --> 02:14:42.680
thought it was on AD. And do you remember what

1922
02:14:42.760 --> 02:14:46.399
you said? I think the the only comment I remember

1923
02:14:46.520 --> 02:14:51.079
making was that they didn't have any information up on

1924
02:14:51.920 --> 02:14:54.800
crime stoppers and that the FBI hadn't added.

1925
02:14:54.520 --> 02:14:54.920
Her to.

1926
02:14:56.840 --> 02:15:01.640
The missing person's no'm missing person's database.

1927
02:15:05.760 --> 02:15:05.800
You.

1928
02:15:06.479 --> 02:15:10.079
I can't see this in quota right here. I'm nothing

1929
02:15:10.159 --> 02:15:18.600
surprised for him anymore. Let me see that. Yeah, that

1930
02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:22.000
did you write that? It doesn't look familiar. Those words

1931
02:15:22.000 --> 02:15:50.640
are not nervous. The whole thing right here, h.

1932
02:15:54.079 --> 02:15:54.479
Mm hmm.

1933
02:15:54.920 --> 02:15:59.039
I don't think I said that. It doesn't even sound

1934
02:15:59.119 --> 02:16:01.439
like something I would write. I don't know the whole

1935
02:16:03.239 --> 02:16:04.319
I don't. Maybe I did.

1936
02:16:04.560 --> 02:16:04.880
I don't.

1937
02:16:06.119 --> 02:16:08.039
What time of day was a posted that might shed

1938
02:16:08.079 --> 02:16:10.279
some line on it. I think this was March third

1939
02:16:10.399 --> 02:16:16.279
to two nineteen am, two nineteen am. Yeah, that's possibly me,

1940
02:16:17.159 --> 02:16:34.600
submitted by Israel. Well, I guess good. Yeah, somebody fixed

1941
02:16:34.600 --> 02:16:35.319
it for us. Yeah.

1942
02:16:36.079 --> 02:16:38.799
And then there was a second post by Israel dated

1943
02:16:38.840 --> 02:16:40.440
March fifth, six forty five am.

1944
02:16:44.799 --> 02:16:46.799
What did I respond? What was the article that I

1945
02:16:46.879 --> 02:16:48.440
was responded? The one on March fifth?

1946
02:16:48.559 --> 02:16:51.799
It was a story caption new Reward in Corny to

1947
02:16:51.840 --> 02:16:54.959
Sipia space. And then the post reads, I really don't

1948
02:16:55.000 --> 02:16:58.040
know what to sett let's just being ridiculous, And that's

1949
02:16:58.079 --> 02:17:01.159
what happens when you have a public to him all

1950
02:17:01.360 --> 02:17:04.360
work and maybe it's more stupid or worse cause they

1951
02:17:04.399 --> 02:17:07.399
are alrighty.

1952
02:17:08.600 --> 02:17:14.879
Y, you not recall that at all? Sure it's not

1953
02:17:15.000 --> 02:17:18.200
by another Israel. What do you think?

1954
02:17:19.479 --> 02:17:20.239
That's what I think?

1955
02:17:20.360 --> 02:17:34.639
I don't doesn't sound like something over yet should Uh? Well,

1956
02:17:34.760 --> 02:17:39.040
there was there was one that was clear had the

1957
02:17:39.600 --> 02:17:43.879
three best goin in the the the plastic. Uh. The

1958
02:17:43.959 --> 02:17:49.680
rest were just the big black contractor in effects and

1959
02:17:49.840 --> 02:17:52.280
most of 'em most of them had There wasn't really

1960
02:17:52.399 --> 02:17:54.239
much in there related to this whole thing.

1961
02:17:55.719 --> 02:17:55.840
Uh.

1962
02:17:56.200 --> 02:18:02.959
Well, there's the typewriter, but the almost everything is burned.

1963
02:18:03.319 --> 02:18:05.719
The ashes are in one of the bags with some

1964
02:18:05.879 --> 02:18:08.559
other stuff that's not ratting. Ill.

1965
02:18:12.760 --> 02:18:15.040
I do have one more question, and if it doesn't

1966
02:18:15.120 --> 02:18:21.159
pertain to the codeing investigation specifically, you would just tell me,

1967
02:18:21.879 --> 02:18:26.440
you know, yes, right now, the trip to Clee Burn

1968
02:18:26.879 --> 02:18:28.040
and getting stuck.

1969
02:18:28.360 --> 02:18:30.879
In the mud, Does that have anything to do with

1970
02:18:31.200 --> 02:18:32.680
this and not the cone of investigation?

1971
02:18:35.680 --> 02:18:39.799
But well, is any little love hub did you? Did

1972
02:18:39.840 --> 02:18:47.840
you save anything from Samantha like a souvenir? No, none

1973
02:18:47.879 --> 02:18:53.280
of her belongings, well aside from the the ATM card

1974
02:18:53.360 --> 02:18:53.920
and her phone.

1975
02:18:56.760 --> 02:18:57.520
The phone I.

1976
02:19:00.120 --> 02:19:06.799
Was actually going to go away or burn until the

1977
02:19:06.840 --> 02:19:10.760
first time I checked the account saw that there was

1978
02:19:10.799 --> 02:19:12.239
only five thousand dollars in it.

1979
02:19:12.440 --> 02:19:15.760
Then I kind of had a new plan and I

1980
02:19:15.799 --> 02:19:19.879
had to take the form texas, were you gonna ask

1981
02:19:19.920 --> 02:19:20.479
for more money?

1982
02:19:21.760 --> 02:19:25.239
I was gonna send a group text and to everyone

1983
02:19:25.280 --> 02:19:30.040
into contact with to say it was like a last

1984
02:19:30.120 --> 02:19:32.440
warning and that the price had gone up by Tim

1985
02:19:32.559 --> 02:19:37.120
Grantant and it was the last ever n And then

1986
02:19:37.120 --> 02:19:40.040
I was gonna burn the phone. What were you using

1987
02:19:40.079 --> 02:19:44.479
the money for? I didn't really get out that much money.

1988
02:19:45.079 --> 02:19:46.920
I don't remember how much, but.

1989
02:19:50.319 --> 02:19:51.479
About twenty five hundred.

1990
02:19:53.120 --> 02:20:00.159
Yeah, I honestly like the whole I I I did

1991
02:20:00.280 --> 02:20:05.760
use it a couple of times. Anchorage pulled out money

1992
02:20:05.959 --> 02:20:10.159
at see the first time I checked it. I was

1993
02:20:10.239 --> 02:20:11.879
gonna use it. I was gonna pull out money at

1994
02:20:11.920 --> 02:20:15.159
that bank with somebody pulled up behind me, and they

1995
02:20:15.239 --> 02:20:18.600
were I assumed they were waiting to Uesday atm. They

1996
02:20:18.639 --> 02:20:20.399
had their headlights right on me. So I kind of

1997
02:20:20.479 --> 02:20:24.280
got annoyed. And I had only checked the balance. I

1998
02:20:24.360 --> 02:20:27.479
think I had tried. I was also annoyed that it

1999
02:20:27.600 --> 02:20:34.520
would only let me take out five hundred because I

2000
02:20:34.559 --> 02:20:38.879
don't know, So I just walked away after I had

2001
02:20:38.920 --> 02:20:40.920
checked the balance of that bank. I just walked away

2002
02:20:40.959 --> 02:20:43.239
because they were dark people sent there.

2003
02:20:45.200 --> 02:20:45.639
And then.

2004
02:20:47.360 --> 02:20:49.200
Was it two transactions that night.

2005
02:20:50.520 --> 02:20:54.360
One just before midnight and one just after movement born it?

2006
02:21:00.000 --> 02:21:02.799
Well anyway, it's I mean, that was my thinking was

2007
02:21:03.200 --> 02:21:05.920
it was gonna get out the morning four and after.

2008
02:21:07.000 --> 02:21:08.719
I know the first time I got it out was

2009
02:21:10.680 --> 02:21:15.959
uh Dnalely I think there on Northern Leyan's or Minnesota.

2010
02:21:16.159 --> 02:21:20.879
And you know, second time I actually got money out

2011
02:21:20.920 --> 02:21:23.639
with it was at alask Usa, but I don't remember

2012
02:21:24.079 --> 02:21:26.040
if it was the same date or all or the

2013
02:21:26.079 --> 02:21:26.600
same time.

2014
02:21:29.719 --> 02:21:32.200
Any specific reason why you chose those ATMs?

2015
02:21:34.079 --> 02:21:36.600
No, No, I was gonna.

2016
02:21:38.440 --> 02:21:41.120
I mean eventually I was planning to use pretty much

2017
02:21:41.159 --> 02:21:45.680
all the ATMs in town. I was just spreading in

2018
02:21:45.840 --> 02:21:46.799
the round. I guess.

2019
02:21:52.159 --> 02:21:53.120
How to start.

2020
02:21:54.639 --> 02:22:06.559
Learned it? Do you reckon else you wanna tell us? Oh,

2021
02:22:06.639 --> 02:22:11.120
that's that's pretty much the way of saying you made

2022
02:22:11.159 --> 02:22:14.719
reference to some other things that you weren't go work for. Yeah,

2023
02:22:14.760 --> 02:22:19.040
I'm not going to all of that stuff. Is that

2024
02:22:19.120 --> 02:22:23.600
something you wanna talk about a different I don't know that.

2025
02:22:24.040 --> 02:22:27.360
I mean I will, but it's not like I say,

2026
02:22:27.399 --> 02:22:30.879
it's on my terms and it's not really. It's just

2027
02:22:31.000 --> 02:22:35.079
more detailed what you already have. Everything I've told you

2028
02:22:35.200 --> 02:22:39.000
are things that you would've found out or the Emmy

2029
02:22:39.040 --> 02:22:43.200
would have found out her whatever she hasn't been down there,

2030
02:22:43.280 --> 02:22:47.600
not loans without telling any details about there, other things

2031
02:22:47.639 --> 02:22:49.719
that you'd like to throw schoh Kevin, we s we

2032
02:22:49.799 --> 02:22:50.280
went over this.

2033
02:22:50.520 --> 02:22:50.600
Ye.

2034
02:22:52.719 --> 02:22:55.559
No, that's I mean, that's it. That's the whole story.