Jan. 15, 2025

The Manipulation of Vicki White

The Manipulation of Vicki White

In this episode of 'Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings”,  Kelly delves into the tragic story of Vicki White, a law enforcement veteran who was manipulated by a killer to assist in a dramatic escape. 

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14:20 Casey White's...

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Season 7

In this episode of 'Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings”, Kelly delves into the tragic story of Vicki White, a law enforcement veteran who was manipulated by a killer to assist in a dramatic escape.

Timestamps
14:20 Casey White's Criminal History
21:25 The Murder of Connie Ridgeway
28:12 Vicki's Last Day on Duty
37:22 The Transport Incident
42:21 The Search for Vicki
46:15 Questions of Betrayal
51:50 Vicki's Mother's Shock
52:08 The Routine
55:00 The Peculiar Findings
56:59 The Shocking Retirement
1:01:49 The Inmate's Calls
1:04:35 The Chase Begins
1:27:09 The Car Wash Discovery
1:30:30 The Hotel Standoff
1:35:43 The Aftermath of Betrayal

Sources
https://greenhillfuneralhome.net/tribute/details/1861/Vicky-White/obituary.html https://www.lauderdaleso.org/detention-facility
https://www.cnn.com/2022/05/06/cnn-info/vicky-white-what-we-know-alabama-inmate-disappear/index.html
https://nypost.com/2022/05/14/alabama-funeral-service-held-for-ex-jail-boss-vicky-white/ https://guardianrfid.com/blog/preventing-another-vicky-casey
white#:~:text=Vicky%20White%20was%20the%20Assistant,fifth%20year%20as%20the%20recipient. https://www.britannica.com/animal/black-bear
https://www.oxygen.com/crime-news/who-is-connie-ridgeway-alleged-casey-white-murder-victim https://quadcitiesdaily.com/connie-jane-patterson-w-ridgeway-obituary/ https://www.wsfa.com/2022/07/12/casey-white-charged-with-felony-murder-death-vicky-white/ https://www.al.com/news/2022/05/hunt-for-alabama-escapee-casey-white-missing-corrections-officer-vicky-white-what-we-know-today.html https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/crime/vicky-white-case-family-alabama-b2078549.html

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ here for another episode. What do you do when?

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How is your week going? I hope it's going well.

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I have worked really, really hard on this episode, and

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I'm pretty stoked to tell it. Sometimes, you know, you

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write your notes and you're like, damn, I can't wait

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to tell this one, and I'm ready. I'm ready for

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this one, okay, because I have a lot of insight

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into this case. So first I'll start with the fact

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that working in prison at a lot of people ask

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me about what was it like whenever you worked in prison. So,

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if you're new to the show, I worked at Angola.

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It's Louisiana's largest maximum Security penitentiary. It's all male maximum facility,

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and to be honest, I'm I'm a shoot straight. I

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loved it. I absolutely loved working in the prison. I

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liked the I liked everything about it. I liked being

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able to be walking around and be out and about.

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I liked working with the inmates, really liked. You're not

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supposed to really know. I guess what they do. But

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part of my job was that I saw their jackets

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or their their files or records, and neat, you know,

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it's neat to get to read through what people do.

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And sometimes I was, Okay, this is gonna sound weird.

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It's not you know how people get like celebrity struck

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or whatever. It wasn't that. But sometimes, you know, these

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fools come up talking to and you're like, damn, I said,

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dude to us all in the news, didn't you cut

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your wife in half? Like it's you wouldn't say that, obviously,

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but it's just like sometimes you're like, man, these people

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are real, Like these stories are real. It's insane, and

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certainly it's not for everybody. It's a it's a job

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that has its ups, but it also has its downs.

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And it just was something that worked for me personally,

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and I kind of like to liken it to working

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for the circus, okay, because there's lots of scary animals there,

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and they all have the potential at any point in

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time to do unimaginable damage. But in the confinement of

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the ring, you know, and with a well established set

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of rules and regulations, those animals can be tamed within reason.

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And it's kind of that's kind of like what prison

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was like. You know, when when people try to domesticate

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wild animals, it's often not recommended and when you get

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down too, and it's because they can turn on you

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in a second. And that's what prison was like. You know,

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they can be nice to you one minute and then

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the next minute things can go really really bad. But

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something that's always impressed into your mind whenever you first

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start training, you know, to work beyond the prison walls

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and inside the beast, if you will, is that you

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cannot let these people get close to you. And this

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goes for not only physical proximity, but also emotional proximity

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as well. But the thing is, you know, we're all human,

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and if you are human, that's something that you really

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do have to work at it is a skill set

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to be able to not be impacted emotionally by other people.

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I think if you're normal, at least that happens. And

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I came across inmates in my time in prison that

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I really liked as people that I got along great with,

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but I knew that there had to be aligne I

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very very clearly drawn in the sand so that there

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wouldn't be the opportunity for there to be an emotional

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connection with these people. And by emotional understand I don't

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mean sexually, I mean just totality of some people you

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just get along with. Some people, you like their personalities.

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Some people are funny and you just you like them.

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But the reality is they're behind bars for a reason,

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and you have to do your job. You have to

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remain professional, and you have to be aware of that boundary.

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Even though it seems clear, you know, it's nothing that

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you can't see through. It's nothing that's going to actually

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stop you sometimes and your decision making can be effected

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on small levels which build to greater issues when an

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officer and an inmate cross that line. So something as

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simple as giving extra food on a tray could be

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indicative of special privilege that's being given to an inmate,

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and that can cause just a mintse amount I guess

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of problems on a whole bunch of fronts, and I'll

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get to that later. But you have to stay vigilant.

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You have to be aware of what you're doing. And

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you also need to realize that if you are not

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a criminal and you don't think like a criminal, then

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it's not always obvious whenever a criminal has underlying motives.

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And so in that regard, it's tough. The job is tough.

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So today's episode is one that made national news and

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you may be familiar with it. But I wanted to

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tell the story because I have some personal insight and

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I have experience behind bars, and I wanted to be

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able to I guess impart that on you in this story.

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So I want to start with the fact that a

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detention center and a prison are not necessarily the same thing.

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So people seem to intertwine jail in prison all the time, like, oh, buddy,

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you going to jail, you go in to prison. Well,

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you know, if you get a you know, in a

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car wreck and you mess up somebody's property I don't know,

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or something. I mean, if you go to jail, You're

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not going to be their long term. It's pre trial.

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It's not a long term facility. Prison is a long

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term facility. That's overall. I know we have some jails

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or detention centers that they might hold people long term,

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but I want to just make sure you have that

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distinction for the most part in your mind. Jail is

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pre trial, short or short term sentencing, like you know,

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five years or something, and then prison is certainly going

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to be a longer term sentence. That's your murder, rape, robbery,

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sexual assault, stuff like that. Well, Vicky White was fifty

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six years old and she worked as the director for

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the Lauderdale County Detention Center. And like I told you,

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detention centers are usually pre trial or that short term

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incarceration in prison is going to be a long term sentence.

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But the Lauderdale County Sheriff's Office does consider itself a

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long term detention facility. I looked it up because I

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was kind of interested in some things that went on

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in this case and why these inmates would have been there.

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So they do house roughly two hundred and ninety inmates,

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and the agency operates. They do three shifts per day.

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They've got fifteen officers on a shift and they cover

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a total of twelve pods. They have one hundred and

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forty four holding cells. Real quick, a pod is kind

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of like a I'm gonna say dorm, but prisons are

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really bigger in dorms. But a pod is just like

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a you know, a room with a whole bunch of

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bunk beds or beds or whatever in it. Holding cells

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are actually cells where people are put into them and

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there's bars in front of them, and then they have

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these special need cells. They have a medical cell and

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a suicide prevention cell. Those are kind of like there's

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no furniture or anything in there, no bonk, nothing they

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can hurt themselves in. There's like a hole in the ground,

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there's no toilet, there's nothing, and they put a what

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they call like a turtle suit on them, which is

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a tear away or a velcrow away type output, so

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they can't hang themseelves from it if they're feeling suicidal.

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All that kind of jazz. The fact of the matter

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is that jails and prisons, as far as I'm concerned,

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they maintain control because the inmates allow it. And I

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know some people might screw their face up at that

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and say, wait what, But I want to explain this

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to you. Inmates usually dramatically outweigh or outnumber how many

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officers are actually on staff. So you just got to

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ask yourself, you've got a whole bunch of people who

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do bad things that are being controlled by just a

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few officers in an area. Do you do you really

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think that if you know fifty inmates bucked up, you

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really think that the officers are gonna win against that,

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because I'm gonna tell you they're not. Overall, we're gonna win,

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but we're not gonna win in the moment. So you know,

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order and all of that really is because if inmates behave,

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then we've got order. And there's a whole lot more

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to that, but I'm gonna give I'm gonna give that

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there and say that they behave because they want to behave.

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But if they want to buck up and tear down

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the whole facility, they could It could happen. So rules, regulations,

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combined with policy and procedure and protocols, they're made and

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they have to be followed to a t. And it

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matters to a t that you follow the rules and

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enforcement of the rules is the difference between chaos and order.

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So lucky for the Lauderdale Sheriff's Office, they had an

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excellent supervisor of their detention center, and this was that

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Vicky White. A little bit about Vicky. She was fifty six.

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She was a long time employee of the Lauderdale County

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Detention Center. By long time, I mean she had been

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there seventeen years. And the entire seventeen years that she

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was there, she was continually promoted. All the time. She

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was the job, she did the job, and over those

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years of those promotions, she eventually would achieve the rank

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of assistant director of the facility. I mean she was

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a top dog. So all accounts of people that knew

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VICKI say that when I'd say she was the job,

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it literally meant that if you thought of this facility,

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Vicky was at the forefront of your mind. She ran

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that joint. She was voted Employee of the Year five times,

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and she was even set to receive that award again

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for the sixth time at the time that this case

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starts taking place. She was good to her co workers,

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She was kind, and she was friendly to everybody that

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included the inmates. The inmates would tell you that Vicky

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was kind to them, she was good to them. She

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did her job, but she was good to them, and

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there's a lot of respect that comes with that. But

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most of all, the thing people liked the most about

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Vicky was that she was a rule follower. And you

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knew that if it said to jump, you were going

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to jump. And if it said how high, she was

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going to tell you how high. And that's how we

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were going to do it, because that's how it was done.

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That is the rules. If the term model employee had

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a photo in the dictionary, Vicky's picture would have been there.

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She stood just at five foot five, She was an

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inch taller than me, and she weighed about one hundred

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and fifty pounds so. And when you're looking at her pictures,

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she had bright, bright white teeth, bored straight bleach blonde

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hair that went just past her shoulders, and then she

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did have bangs and they were almost like blunt cut.

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They went straight across her forehead, across her eyebrows. She

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wasn't one that wore a ton of makeup. She wasn't

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that type of lady. And she spoke with a twang

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and what I mean by And I know I speak

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with a twang too, especially when I get to telling

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the story. But she said things instead of the word like,

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she'd say light lack like that lack. And instead of saying,

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you know, I want something, she'd say I want something.

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And if someone did something, she'd say they did. She

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had this twang about her and it was a little

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bit of a whine to her voice tea when she talked.

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So she wasn't married, and although she did, she did

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have an ex. Okay, his name was Tommy, and they

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had gotten married in two thousand and two before they

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would divorce in two thousand and six. They weren't married long,

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but Tommy just became a whole lot for her to

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handle because he started suffering from alcohol and drug abuse,

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and Vicky was like, yeah, I'm not doing this. So

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they did divorce, but they were made really, really good

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friends all the way until he died. When he died

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in twenty twenty two, she it hurt for her. He died.

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He was fighting Parkinson's disease, and it was I would

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say it was tough for her, you know, she adored him,

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but she just could not be his wife. They didn't

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have any children together, and so Vicky didn't have any kids.

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But she was loved by her parents. She was very

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close with her parents. She had two brothers, and she

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had this young nephew that she just absolutely adored. Now,

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Vicky had actually gotten engaged to a second guy after

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she divorced her husband. The second guy's name was Brian Garner,

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but that didn't go well, only because they got engaged

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after dating for a while and then he wasn't wearing

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his seatbelt and got ejected from his truck in a

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single car accident and he just died there. And it

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just didn't seem like no matter what Vicky did, man,

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she couldn't get a guy that would either act right

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or she'd find a guy that she loved and then

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he got killed and so it just didn't go as planned.

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I guess she'd say she never really spoke about it though,

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with her coworkers or anybody else. It just wasn't something

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that she wanted to talk about, and obviously people are

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going to bring it up, so it not much really

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was said about it, and people didn't know a whole

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lot about you know, how she felt about that. But

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ever since she divorced her husband, and then her fiance

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had died. She was just a single woman. She was

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devoted to her job, and she was devoted to her dog,

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and she was a relatively happy woman. She was used

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to dealing with the inmates too, and she was well

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aware that you have to keep your head on a

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swivel at all times. This was not her first rodeo,

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and even that tiniest misstep or rule break, like I

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told you, can lead to disastrous consequences. And considering the

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seriousness of the crimes that a lot of these incarcerated

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people had been accused of and or convicted of, following

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all procedures is a matter of everyone's safety. It's not

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just because you're you know, a stick in the mud

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or that you're uptight. Everyone's safety is on the line

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if everybody is not following the rules. So case in

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point is this frequent flyer of a criminal that was

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always in and out of the justice system named Casey White.

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That he was not related to Vicky White. They just

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happened to have the same last name. And Casey White

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has been a menace to society probably since he started walking.

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He was a menace to society a total fuck up

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and an absolute dangerous individual, if you want me to

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put it nicely, So back at the age of around

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thirty nine years old, I want you to know this

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man stood a ginormous six foot nine inches and he

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weighed about three hundred pounds. This guy was the size

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of the average bear. And by the way, I did

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actually look that statement up, because then I got curious,

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because I'm adhd. I went to britannica dot com and

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the black bear adults range from four point three feet

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to six point two feet high and they weigh up

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to three hundred pounds. So I am telling you the truth,

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and I tell you this fucker stood bigger than the

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average bear. He's huge, enormous, and even as big as

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he was, I still want to also tell you that

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his most prominent feature when I'm looking at him are

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his ears. This dude could give Dumbo a run for

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his money. This dude's got some friaking ears on him.

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So obviously his looks are going to change through time.

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But for the most part, his look usually consisted of

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dark brown hair and it was either cut short or

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it was shaved, and he usually had a beard or

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a goatee. Going on. He did usually keep some facial hair.

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People who came in contact with him said that they

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would describe him as charming and looking at his pictures,

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I don't get it, but then again, you know how

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that is. Some people aren't that attractive, and then they

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open their mouth and you're like, oh, I get it.

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I get why people really like them. I really like him.

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And people said he was charming. He was tatted up.

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He has tats on his arms, he has tats on

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his chest. He was a tatted up dude. He certainly

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isn't Prince charming or anything to call home about. But

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the thing here was that he had a mouthpiece on him.

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He could talk, He could talk to anybody, and he

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was just a charming guy. Even the officers said that

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usually not always, but usually he was pleasant and respectful,

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that was the norm. But he could be an asshole

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when he wanted to be, and a big one at that.

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And that's why when you're working behind bars, or you're

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behind bars and you're dealing with incarcerated people, it matters

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the way you talk to people. There's always somebody out

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there that will humble you. I don't care how big

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of a bad ass you are. There's always someone out

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there that will humble you. And to get respect from

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these types of people, you have to give it. This

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doesn't mean be a pushover. It just means you treat

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people the way you would want to be treated. So

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Casey was being transferred to Vicky's facility because he was

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going to be facing charges for a murder for hire

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that he claimed that he had committed. So this case

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involved a woman named Connie Ridgeway and this took place

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back on October twenty third of twenty fifteen. Now, Miss

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Connie lived in Rogersville, Alabama, which was described as a

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small town. And because it was a small town at

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the time, I don't know the growth since then, but

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Miss Connie was known around town and her essence was

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that she was a woman of integrity. That's how people

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saw her. She was a good lady and a happy lady,

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a smiling one, just happy to be around and love

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to help people. She was a helper in any way

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that she could. She was described as your typical, sweet,

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mild bannered Christian Southern lady, that southern bell that we

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have heard people referred to as. She was in her

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late fifties, and had short, dirty blonde hair. She was

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a widow her husband. His name was Tommy, just like

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Vicky White's. But her husband's name was Tommy, and he

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had passed away. And she had even lost her beloved pet, Rambo,

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her dog that she loved so much, so she did

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have some loss there. But she had two sons. Their

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names were Austin and Cameron. Austin and Cameron were all

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about their mama. They were always checking on their mama.

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They loved her and they were tight knit with her.

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And that's why it was odd whenever she stopped answering

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phone calls one day and they're like, you know, what's

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up with mama? So I'll tell you this. My details

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on this case are sparse because it's never been completely adjudicated,

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which I'll get to in a little bit, But basically,

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there was a case that Miss Connie was expected to

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be testifying as a witness inn and it evolved around

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a credit card fraud case. I don't know if she

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was the victim or if she just knew somebody or

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what was going on, but she was supposed to be

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testifying as a witness in this credit card fraud case

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and at the same time of this upcoming testimony she

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was supposed to give, she was also allowing a man

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to live with her temporarily until he got back on

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his feet. She was known as the type of woman

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that would open her doors to people that were in need.

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So she's supposed to be testifying and she's got this

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guy living in her house. Well, the situation with the

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man that was staying there seemed to sour pretty quickly,

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and she eventually had to tell him to go. She

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kicked him out. It's not working, you gotta go. And

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then just a few days later, she stopped answering her phone,

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so police were asked to show up and come do

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a welfare check. She lived at the metaland Apartments, and

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this was after her neighbor was really concerned too. She's

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just not answering the door. So the police came. They

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made entry into the apartment because there was no answer

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at the door, and so they walked in calling her name,

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Miss Connie, Miss Connie, and as they rounded the corner

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to the living room, they found Miss Connie's body laying

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there on her living room floor. And she had obviously

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been in a tremendous fight that she had lost the

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investigators when they were looking at the scene and looking

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her over, believed that there were two weapons used to

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kill her. One of them they identified would have been

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a hammer, and they found the hammer at the scene.

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The other one they believed to be some type of

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knife because she had stab wounds all over her, So

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she went and they sent her for an autopsy. And

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this autopsy really showed the brutality of what this lady

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suffered because she had a barrage of injuries. She had

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stab wounds to her face, her neck, her hands. The

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doctor identified that she had multiple fractures to her head

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and her injuries also extended down onto her hands and

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her fingers, and looking it over, there were smashing wounds

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on her hands and all over the place too, And

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so that was as a result of that hammer, according

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to the medical examiner. And whoever did this to her, y'all,

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it was vicious. She's fifty six years old. This was vicious, vicious,

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and it was brutal, and it seems personal, very very personal.

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And there were no leads on this case, like none

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until Casey White wrote a letter to a detective in

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June of twenty twenty saying he had information about the murder.

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So obviously they want to know what's up and when

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they go and they question him about his letter and

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what all he may have known. Casey then full on

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admitted and gave a confession to killing miss Connie, And

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when asked, well, why did you kill her, he said, well,

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it was a hit. You know, I was hired to

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be a hit man. It was a hit for hire.

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So Casey, based on this confession, he was charged and

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he was set to be prosecuted for the murder of

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Miss Connie Ridgeway. Now he's certainly capable and believed to be,

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you know, in the realm of possibility for him to

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do this type of atrocity, And you might be wondering, well,

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wait a minute, you know, why did he write a

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letter to the detective rather than just driving up to

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the sheriff's office or making a phone call. Why did

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he write him a letter? Well, I'm here to tell

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you he couldn't do any of those things. He couldn't

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drive up there, and he couldn't make a phone call

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because he was already in jail. He was in jail

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already when he confessed to the murder of Miss Connie Ridgeway.

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So why was he there? Great question? I want to

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answer that for you. Well, it turns out that he

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had a very long history, like I mentioned, of being

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a dangerous piece of shit. He was already convicted of

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another crime spree, and this crime spree was so serious

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he was set to spend seventy five years in prison

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for what he did. So Casey had been out of

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jail since his teens, and the sheriff in Limestone County

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was very familiar with Casey, like knew him on a

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first name basis. He was that much of a frequent

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flyer to the jail system, and he was known to

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have girlfriends. But all of these relationships seemed volatile, and

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Casey was always in some type of trouble. Well, in

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this case, he had broken into his girlfriend's home and

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I don't know if they were fighting beforehand or what.

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Didn't really dig that far into it. I just know

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they were in a fight. It turned into a serious

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altercation with her, and he pulls out a gun and

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starts shooting at his girlfriend, you know, the girl he loves. Okay,

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so he starts shooting at her, and then he also

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goes up to her dog kills her dog, and then

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after he's shooting at her, and this fight goes buck

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wild and he goes and he murders the dog. He

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then storms over to the next door neighbor's house of

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his girlfriend, and when the next door neighbor answers the door,

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he shoves a gun in the neighbor's face and demands

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that he gives him the keys to his car, which

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he obviously went ahead and turned those over to him.

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So he stole the car and he took off in it. Eventually,

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he decided to stop at a rest stop because he

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decided he needed to change cars so that no one

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would know what car he was driving. So when he

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was at the rest stop, he then tried to hijack

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a car that had a family in it, but instead

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of stopping and giving him the car, the dad sped

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off and drove away to get away from him. Well,

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rather than just letting that go and go for another car, no,

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Casey then decides to pull his weapon out and starts

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firing into the back of the window of the family

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that's trying to escape, and sure enough, he shot the

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mom and hurt her extensively in the moment because she

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was bleeding everywhere, and she shot just because they didn't

454
00:24:47.039 --> 00:24:51.880
want to be carjack So at that point he took

455
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:55.279
off and he went to a nearby gas station where

456
00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.519
he again he's a guy of habit here, he puts

457
00:24:58.519 --> 00:25:01.279
his gun in another man's face and he demanded, I

458
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.200
want your car, and I want it now. The man

459
00:25:03.279 --> 00:25:05.319
gave up the car, so he tore off in that

460
00:25:05.440 --> 00:25:08.039
car and he goes flying onto the Interstate to make

461
00:25:08.079 --> 00:25:10.720
his give his getaway, but the reality was that a

462
00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.160
BOLO had already been issued for that car. This happened

463
00:25:14.160 --> 00:25:17.319
pretty quickly, and a deputy that was on the interstate

464
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:21.160
found him right there and a high speed chase ensued.

465
00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:25.519
Casey's driving along. I don't quite understand how he's driving

466
00:25:25.559 --> 00:25:28.799
straight and loses control, but if anybody could do it,

467
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:31.519
it's this guy. I watched parts of the dash cam video.

468
00:25:31.559 --> 00:25:33.079
So he's driving along and then all of a sudden

469
00:25:33.079 --> 00:25:36.119
he loses control of the vehicle. It ends up veering

470
00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:39.000
off to the right, crashes out, and he's on the

471
00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:41.960
side of the road, you know where. He's unable to

472
00:25:42.000 --> 00:25:44.640
move anymore. So the deputies jump out and they've got

473
00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:47.039
him at gunpoint because they know these armed and dangerous,

474
00:25:47.039 --> 00:25:49.200
and they couldn't just go swarm the car. So this

475
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:52.400
turns into negotiation efforts because they're trying to get him

476
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:54.160
to put down the gun so that they could take

477
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:57.319
him into custody. Well, he's hooting and holler and he's

478
00:25:57.359 --> 00:25:59.119
not going to give up, and he wants the sheriff.

479
00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:01.240
He wants to talk to the show, get me the sheriff.

480
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:03.240
Like I told you, the sheriff knows him on a

481
00:26:03.240 --> 00:26:05.279
first name basis, not because he grew up with him

482
00:26:05.319 --> 00:26:07.359
and went to church with him, but because the dude's

483
00:26:07.359 --> 00:26:10.599
always up in his jail. So the sheriff did, in

484
00:26:10.640 --> 00:26:12.799
fact get in his car and drive down to where

485
00:26:12.880 --> 00:26:16.240
Casey was on the side of the road crashed out.

486
00:26:16.559 --> 00:26:19.440
When the sheriff gets there, he can see Casey and

487
00:26:19.480 --> 00:26:22.640
Casey's got not one, but two guns and he's got

488
00:26:22.680 --> 00:26:26.240
him both pointed at either side of his temple. And

489
00:26:26.720 --> 00:26:29.359
the Sheriff's like, Casey, put the gun down, and I

490
00:26:29.400 --> 00:26:31.400
love it because he's kind of a countryman. Casey put

491
00:26:31.440 --> 00:26:35.279
the gun down. And Casey's like, no, Sheriff, I can't

492
00:26:35.319 --> 00:26:38.119
do it. Call my mama. Call my mama and tell

493
00:26:38.160 --> 00:26:40.599
her I love her and he's doing this whole dramatic thing,

494
00:26:40.880 --> 00:26:43.519
and the Sheriff's like, casey, ain't nobody calling you down, mama,

495
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:45.599
put the gun down and come on, let's take you

496
00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:48.079
back to the jail. And then he starts hooting and

497
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:50.079
hollering and all the drama, saying, y'all gonna have to

498
00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.759
shoot me. You're just gonna have to shoot me, and

499
00:26:52.799 --> 00:26:56.119
he's doing all this nonsense before he agrees to finally

500
00:26:56.200 --> 00:27:00.640
give up only if they will give him a sun

501
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:06.079
drop soft drink. Yes, what I just said, a sun

502
00:27:06.200 --> 00:27:09.279
drop soft drink. You know that green can with the

503
00:27:09.359 --> 00:27:12.279
yellow circle on it. He wanted a soft drink. He

504
00:27:12.319 --> 00:27:17.079
went from willing to crash out and kill himself to

505
00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:19.880
call my mama till we're gonna have a shootout, to well,

506
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:21.559
if you'll just give me a cold drink, everything will

507
00:27:21.599 --> 00:27:23.920
be good. And the Sheriff's like, you want a sun drop? Yeah,

508
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.119
if you give me a sun drop, I'll I'll give up.

509
00:27:26.279 --> 00:27:29.480
So sure shooting. Sheriff sent somebody they got him a

510
00:27:29.519 --> 00:27:32.319
sun drop, brought it to him. He put the guns down,

511
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.799
and sheriff took him into custody, put him in the

512
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:37.799
back of his car, and drove him back to jail.

513
00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:41.559
So for these shootings and this home invasion and these

514
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:44.440
attempted murders and all that jazz, he had been sentenced

515
00:27:44.480 --> 00:27:47.039
to seventy five years in prison. So, as you can tell,

516
00:27:47.200 --> 00:27:51.839
case is a really lovable guy, okay, and he's just misunderstood,

517
00:27:53.319 --> 00:27:55.519
all right. So after all of that violence that I

518
00:27:55.640 --> 00:27:57.359
just listed you through, and I'm not even to the

519
00:27:57.359 --> 00:28:01.319
main story yet, Casey was gonna be behind bars for

520
00:28:01.359 --> 00:28:04.359
a really long time. And so that's whenever he then

521
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:08.079
confessed to Miss Connie Ridgeway's murder, which moved him from

522
00:28:08.119 --> 00:28:11.480
the state prison that he was already at for that

523
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:14.359
first charge of seventy five years, and they moved him

524
00:28:14.359 --> 00:28:19.880
from the state prison to the detention facility in Lauderdale.

525
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:22.599
This was because he was going to be indicted on

526
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:25.440
Miss Connie's murder charges charges and he would have to

527
00:28:25.480 --> 00:28:29.000
go to court in the jurisdiction where he was going

528
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.279
to be tried, And so that's when he was moved

529
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:35.400
to the facility where Vicky White was the supervisor. So

530
00:28:35.440 --> 00:28:37.880
he was at the facility for a few years. And

531
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:42.160
because nothing goes quickly, we know that, and he quickly

532
00:28:42.200 --> 00:28:44.759
got acquainted with the rules and the procedures there as

533
00:28:44.799 --> 00:28:47.559
well as the officers that work there, so a little

534
00:28:47.559 --> 00:28:53.240
insight here. Inmates study the workers constantly at the facilities

535
00:28:53.240 --> 00:28:55.559
they're at, and they decide and they're going to try

536
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:57.880
to figure out who do they think is strong and

537
00:28:57.920 --> 00:29:00.200
who do they think is weak? And I promise you,

538
00:29:00.519 --> 00:29:02.640
I don't care how nice they are to you. They

539
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.079
are trying to set out to prey on those weak officers.

540
00:29:06.319 --> 00:29:08.480
It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of

541
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.640
when that these things happen. And so much training goes

542
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:14.400
into this. I mean, the public would not believe how

543
00:29:14.480 --> 00:29:17.079
much training goes into this to make sure you understand

544
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.640
you do not want to be manipulated by these people.

545
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:24.480
And the whole overall conception of what you need to

546
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:27.359
be doing is a thing called being firm but fair

547
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:32.079
with incarcerated people, if you are firm but always fair

548
00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.400
in your decisions, you will maintain control through professionalism. It's

549
00:29:36.519 --> 00:29:39.200
just how it works. You can be firm, but you

550
00:29:39.240 --> 00:29:41.920
can also be fair. So if the inmate thinks that

551
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.160
you are weak, or they hone in on something that

552
00:29:44.319 --> 00:29:46.440
think they think is weak about you, they're gonna start

553
00:29:46.480 --> 00:29:48.839
doing what we would call trying you. They're gonna try you.

554
00:29:48.880 --> 00:29:51.640
They're gonna tell you things like they like your perfume,

555
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:55.079
or hey, have you lost Wait, so off the top,

556
00:29:55.279 --> 00:29:57.839
these questions seem like they're just trying to make pleasant

557
00:29:57.920 --> 00:30:01.519
small talk and there's nothing much to it. You know,

558
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:03.240
you just y'll see each other every day and they're talking.

559
00:30:03.480 --> 00:30:07.799
But under the surface of this veiled comment, there is

560
00:30:07.839 --> 00:30:11.119
a test. They want to know when they give you

561
00:30:11.160 --> 00:30:15.240
that comment, will you smile and say thank you? Or

562
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:18.000
will you snap back and say my weight is none

563
00:30:18.000 --> 00:30:21.440
of your concern. You don't have to be rude. I

564
00:30:21.440 --> 00:30:23.279
don't get it twisted. I'm not saying snap back and

565
00:30:23.279 --> 00:30:25.519
be rude. You don't have to be rude. You just

566
00:30:25.559 --> 00:30:28.160
have to be firm and professional. My weight is none

567
00:30:28.200 --> 00:30:32.680
of your concern. And when you say that back to them,

568
00:30:32.880 --> 00:30:35.720
that's a checkmate. They know that you're on to what

569
00:30:35.759 --> 00:30:37.839
they're trying to do. And they're also going to do

570
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:41.519
things like maybe give you an unsolicited gift, think like

571
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:43.640
a rose made out of paper. Oh look, I learned

572
00:30:43.680 --> 00:30:45.799
how to make this. I made it for you, or

573
00:30:46.319 --> 00:30:49.839
a name plate made at the hobby shop if they

574
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:52.079
have one of those wherever they are at the facility

575
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:54.799
for your desk maybe or something like that. It's not

576
00:30:55.000 --> 00:31:00.319
always obvious when things like this are happening, or if

577
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.279
you are being manipulated by an inmate. It's not always

578
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:08.279
in your face. It's very like I'm just gonna say,

579
00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.759
it's very veiled in what happens. Matter of fact, Hey,

580
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:14.160
I'll give you a true story. So when I was

581
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.480
at the prison, you know, we have clerks and all

582
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:18.839
of that. I'm not going to say this inmate's name

583
00:31:18.839 --> 00:31:22.200
because it doesn't matter, but I had a clerk that

584
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.880
was working for me, and he came in one day.

585
00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:26.680
I was a very new officer. He came in one

586
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:29.119
day and he said, look in the hobby shop, I

587
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:31.160
made you this nameplate for your desk because you didn't

588
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:33.839
have a name plate. And I was like, oh, okay, cool,

589
00:31:35.599 --> 00:31:38.319
that's cool, right, No worries appreciate it. And so I'll

590
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:40.720
post pictures of the nameplate online for you too. If

591
00:31:40.759 --> 00:31:42.680
you are curious to see it, I'll show it to you.

592
00:31:43.200 --> 00:31:46.720
But I can't recall what happened afterwards, but I do

593
00:31:46.839 --> 00:31:49.960
know that it was a problem because no one spends

594
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.599
their time behind bars when they could be making hobbygraph,

595
00:31:52.599 --> 00:31:54.559
for example, at the prison at Angola, they could be

596
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:57.079
making hobby graph to sell at the rodeos. Why would

597
00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:59.880
you waste your time making me something and giving it

598
00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:02.960
to me for no reason unless you were trying to

599
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:04.880
get something in return. And that was the first time

600
00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:08.480
it ever happened to me that someone gave me a gift.

601
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:10.440
So I'm pretty sure I wrote him up. I don't

602
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.079
quite remember, but however it went, he should have been

603
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.240
written up. That's been a long time ago, and I

604
00:32:16.359 --> 00:32:19.240
learned the lesson the hard way because he was super

605
00:32:19.319 --> 00:32:20.960
nice to me. Blah blah blah blah blah. Oh look,

606
00:32:21.160 --> 00:32:23.680
that was very nice to give me a NA nameplate.

607
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:26.039
But then I don't know how much time had passed. Again,

608
00:32:26.079 --> 00:32:27.960
it's been a long time. But he ended up getting

609
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:31.680
locked up behind something else and he turned on me

610
00:32:31.839 --> 00:32:34.440
like a snake, and he said things to me that

611
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:38.160
were just like, oh my god, the fake fell off.

612
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:40.759
The mask fell off when you realized that I was

613
00:32:40.799 --> 00:32:42.880
of no use to him, and he said some horrible

614
00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:45.839
things to me, and I will never forget that ever.

615
00:32:46.680 --> 00:32:49.720
So when inmates understand that you're not going to play

616
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:51.880
the games with them, and that you're gonna follow the rules,

617
00:32:51.920 --> 00:32:53.400
one of the rules being you're not going to accept

618
00:32:53.400 --> 00:32:55.079
a gift from them. And I know you're about to say, well, wait,

619
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:57.119
it sounds like you accepted it. You have it ill

620
00:32:57.079 --> 00:32:59.359
I di him throw it away, But I certainly didn't

621
00:32:59.440 --> 00:33:01.920
keep it as a gift. It had to be handled.

622
00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:04.920
So they're going to pick up on that, and then

623
00:33:04.960 --> 00:33:07.000
they're less likely to try you as time goes on,

624
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:08.839
when they realize they're not going to get anywhere with you.

625
00:33:08.920 --> 00:33:12.000
But make no mistake, if you smile or you accept

626
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.839
any compliment from them, you have already messed up. And

627
00:33:15.880 --> 00:33:18.200
this is hard for people, especially people in the South,

628
00:33:18.400 --> 00:33:20.480
because you know, we are raised yes ma'am, no ma'am,

629
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:24.079
and manners, and it's difficult when someone hands you something

630
00:33:24.440 --> 00:33:26.920
and is smiling at you and saying, wow, I thought

631
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:29.039
of you. It really is. It's difficult to be like,

632
00:33:29.119 --> 00:33:31.599
I don't want it, because that's just not a personality

633
00:33:31.640 --> 00:33:34.920
trait I have. It's not. But if you understand the game,

634
00:33:35.240 --> 00:33:37.200
then you should be insulted by them trying to give

635
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.640
it to you. So this is why there are specific

636
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.440
protocols and procedures in place for nearly every action in

637
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:48.319
a correctional institution, from handcuffing procedures to strip searches to

638
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.799
traveling with inmates. There are procedures and policies in place

639
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:54.640
that have got to be followed and they are non negotiable.

640
00:33:55.759 --> 00:33:58.440
Oftentimes I found myself knowing that they're are finding there

641
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.200
are rules in place, and I had no no idea

642
00:34:01.279 --> 00:34:03.240
why it was a rule, but trust there was a

643
00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:05.359
reason behind it, and so I had to follow that rule.

644
00:34:05.880 --> 00:34:09.480
So Vicky working as that supervisor there, she was more

645
00:34:09.519 --> 00:34:13.440
on the quiet side, but she knew those rules and

646
00:34:13.519 --> 00:34:16.679
if you had questions, she could answer it. If you

647
00:34:16.760 --> 00:34:19.199
didn't know what was happening, Vicky was your go to

648
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.079
lady to get it handled make and you could trust

649
00:34:22.199 --> 00:34:24.119
that what she told you was the way it was

650
00:34:24.119 --> 00:34:28.280
supposed to go. So day to day activities in jails

651
00:34:28.400 --> 00:34:32.639
and in prisons are pretty regimented or routine and or routine.

652
00:34:32.679 --> 00:34:34.480
So like there's counts in the morning to make sure

653
00:34:34.480 --> 00:34:37.400
that all of the inmates are accounted for, Breakfast is

654
00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.199
going to be served early. Then they have call outs

655
00:34:40.239 --> 00:34:42.679
throughout the day for inmates that may need to go

656
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:45.480
to court, or they may have medical appointments or maybe

657
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:47.599
they have jobs within the facility that they have to

658
00:34:47.639 --> 00:34:50.400
go help out with. Then launch or chow is going

659
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.239
to be served. The inmates have jobs that you know,

660
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:57.239
they have to do food preparation or cleaning up after

661
00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:59.880
everybody taking the trash out. The inmates are used to

662
00:35:00.199 --> 00:35:02.639
those jobs so that the officers can focus on doing

663
00:35:02.719 --> 00:35:05.920
officer activities and not cleaning up after these people. And

664
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:08.519
then they may have some downtime where they can call home,

665
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:11.719
or they could go to some education classes or things

666
00:35:11.760 --> 00:35:14.320
like that nature, and then dinner is served and then

667
00:35:14.400 --> 00:35:16.719
lights are out, and that's pretty much a routine at

668
00:35:16.760 --> 00:35:19.400
any facility that you go to in some way. So

669
00:35:19.559 --> 00:35:22.519
Vicky was the supervisor and she would oversee all of

670
00:35:22.559 --> 00:35:25.800
these day to day activities as well as a plethora

671
00:35:25.880 --> 00:35:29.920
of other responsibilities that she had. So on April twenty ninth,

672
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:33.280
two thousand and two, things were no different except for

673
00:35:33.320 --> 00:35:37.360
the fact that Vicky had met a milestone, a pretty

674
00:35:37.360 --> 00:35:41.159
big one too. Vicki had announced her retirement to everybody,

675
00:35:41.400 --> 00:35:43.639
and she kind of dropped a bomb on them because

676
00:35:43.639 --> 00:35:47.360
it was a quick, abrupt like hey, I'm retiring, and

677
00:35:47.440 --> 00:35:50.159
nobody saw it coming. There wasn't much preparation for this,

678
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:52.760
and that's somebody you've got to replace, and you would

679
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.039
expect to give you more notice, because not everybody is

680
00:35:56.079 --> 00:35:59.159
easily replaced, even though jobs will tell you everyone's replaceable.

681
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:03.239
But in that short notice, they decided they, being the coworkers,

682
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:05.079
decided that they were going to hold a little retirement

683
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:06.599
party for her. It was nothing big, It was a

684
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.960
low key event, and everyone was pretty much like kind

685
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:12.440
of amaze slash shock that the day was actually here.

686
00:36:12.800 --> 00:36:15.800
Vicky wasn't coming to work anymore. She was really done.

687
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:18.639
She would no longer report to the jail. She was

688
00:36:18.679 --> 00:36:20.679
that much of a fixture that it was just really

689
00:36:20.960 --> 00:36:23.920
like a moment for everyone. This would be her last

690
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.159
day on the job, and everyone at the facility was happy,

691
00:36:28.559 --> 00:36:31.000
but it was bittersweet that she was going to be leaving.

692
00:36:31.320 --> 00:36:34.360
And they gave her hugs and they talked about her

693
00:36:34.400 --> 00:36:37.639
career and things that had happened. They laughed, they cried,

694
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.039
they ate cake, and really just shared in on a

695
00:36:41.159 --> 00:36:45.920
very long and accomplished career that she had had. The

696
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.760
party ended, though they didn't have all day to do this.

697
00:36:48.039 --> 00:36:50.119
Everyone had jobs and so everyone had to go back

698
00:36:50.159 --> 00:36:53.280
out and do their assignments, and that included Vicky, who

699
00:36:53.320 --> 00:36:57.800
had one final task to complete at her job, and

700
00:36:57.920 --> 00:37:02.440
that task was taking the extremely dangerous Casey White to

701
00:37:02.519 --> 00:37:07.840
the courthouse for a mental health evaluation. So, because of

702
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:12.719
the dangers of inmate transport, usually most facilities have a

703
00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:19.199
policy of people not transporting alone with inmates for obvious reasons.

704
00:37:19.199 --> 00:37:20.960
You don't want to be alone with somebody. Remember this,

705
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:25.440
This dude's huge, Okay, So the this jail was no different.

706
00:37:25.440 --> 00:37:27.440
They had a policy in place, and their policy that

707
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.800
was that all transporting of inmates requires two deputies at

708
00:37:31.840 --> 00:37:34.360
minimum two people need to go together at all times.

709
00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:37.760
That was the policy. So why are transports so dangerous?

710
00:37:38.719 --> 00:37:43.440
While most transports usually go down without incident, The problem

711
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.440
is that if there is an incident, it's usually a

712
00:37:45.440 --> 00:37:50.239
big deal. It's a prisoner escape and officer injuries as

713
00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.079
well as the public you know, death, injuries, All of

714
00:37:53.119 --> 00:37:57.079
that happens they have happened during transport. So the public

715
00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:59.199
has really put at risk every time an offender is

716
00:37:59.239 --> 00:38:01.880
brought outside of the secure facility. And I did even

717
00:38:01.920 --> 00:38:03.599
look up a study. This was a study of New

718
00:38:03.719 --> 00:38:06.679
York's Police department, and in their study they found that

719
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:11.719
forty percent of prisoner escapes happened during a prisoner transport.

720
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:14.480
So I know that's not an overall majority, but that's

721
00:38:14.519 --> 00:38:17.800
a pretty good percentage of times that they would escape

722
00:38:17.840 --> 00:38:24.400
from custody. And multiple officers have been killed. Lots of

723
00:38:24.400 --> 00:38:26.400
officers have been killed in the line of duty, and

724
00:38:26.480 --> 00:38:31.159
transports are a focal point of that. So two vans

725
00:38:31.199 --> 00:38:34.480
had already left the jail that morning, holding some pretty

726
00:38:34.519 --> 00:38:40.599
dangerous people, including one that had a domestic violence inbate

727
00:38:41.320 --> 00:38:44.960
a domestic violence conviction, and that domestic violence conviction also

728
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:47.960
added strangulation, and so this was a pretty dangerous guy

729
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:52.039
that was being transported. But everybody's got the capability of

730
00:38:52.079 --> 00:38:54.880
being dangerous. So those vans left out just a few

731
00:38:54.920 --> 00:38:58.800
minutes before VICKI did, and that's when Vicky instructed another officer,

732
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.519
go get case I want you to prepare him for transport.

733
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:05.480
So this included handcuffing him as well as applying his

734
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.800
leg shackles and really locking him down. So the officer

735
00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:11.320
did exactly as he was told. He went and got

736
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:13.719
Casey from his cell. He took him to the booking

737
00:39:13.719 --> 00:39:17.000
area where he shackled him and handcuffed him. And then

738
00:39:17.119 --> 00:39:20.039
he cuffed him to the bench that he was seated

739
00:39:20.079 --> 00:39:21.559
on until it was time for him to lead for

740
00:39:21.599 --> 00:39:24.320
his evaluation. And that was about nine p thirty in

741
00:39:24.360 --> 00:39:27.400
the morning. So then Vicki comes in a little bit later.

742
00:39:27.679 --> 00:39:30.400
She disconnects him from the bench and then she leads

743
00:39:30.480 --> 00:39:34.679
him through the jail to the exterior door that leads

744
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:38.599
into the sally port to take him to the courthouse. Now,

745
00:39:38.639 --> 00:39:40.360
if you're not familiar, you know, I want you to

746
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:42.519
know what I'm talking about. But a sally port is

747
00:39:42.559 --> 00:39:47.119
basically a secure cage outside of the jail where inmates

748
00:39:47.119 --> 00:39:50.800
can be loaded into vehicles or they can be brought

749
00:39:50.840 --> 00:39:52.679
into the jail and taking out of the vehicles to

750
00:39:52.679 --> 00:39:55.400
be brought inside. But either way, it's an en caged

751
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.360
area that cars can drive in and out of that's

752
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.599
secure in case they get a while, hair up their ass,

753
00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:02.400
or they decide to run or buck up. They're not

754
00:40:02.519 --> 00:40:04.519
just immediately free as soon as they make it out

755
00:40:04.519 --> 00:40:06.320
of the door. It's kind of like the zoo. The

756
00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:09.440
animals are let out of their cages to go in

757
00:40:09.519 --> 00:40:11.800
their habitats, but there's always going to be an inner

758
00:40:11.800 --> 00:40:15.880
fence and an outer fence for that extra escape protection.

759
00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:20.199
So you see Vicky and you see Casey go into

760
00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:24.199
the sally Port and they get into a regular police cruiser.

761
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:26.559
It's a dark vehicle. It's got sheriff down the side

762
00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.280
like normal and large white letters, and it's equipped with

763
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:33.000
lights and everything that the regular cruiser has, and they

764
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.559
load him up. He gets to the she loads him up,

765
00:40:35.800 --> 00:40:37.360
he's in the back, she gets to the front, and

766
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:41.079
then they drive off to head to the courthouse. So

767
00:40:41.119 --> 00:40:43.920
the type of evaluation that Casey was going for was

768
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:46.159
a pretty big one and it was expected to take

769
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:49.199
a couple hours to complete. It would not be a

770
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:54.599
quick trip. So to make things easy for the officers

771
00:40:54.599 --> 00:40:57.360
in the jail whenever they're checking cells and trying to

772
00:40:57.440 --> 00:41:01.599
verify where everybody is, if an inn at that facility,

773
00:41:01.599 --> 00:41:04.599
specifically if an inmate was on call out like Casey was,

774
00:41:05.159 --> 00:41:07.920
then they would take their name tags that were on

775
00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.280
the outside of the cell doors and they would turn

776
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:12.840
them sideways so that it would just be a quick

777
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:16.199
visual to the officers that were making count that that

778
00:41:16.280 --> 00:41:19.039
inmate would not be there, and it was in fact

779
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:21.760
an official reason that they were not there. And I'm

780
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.199
assuming that meant that you wouldn't mark them on the

781
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.280
count you were doing, but that extra number would be

782
00:41:27.320 --> 00:41:30.960
picked up on the other count whereever that inmate was,

783
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.840
which would have been Vicki's count that she would have

784
00:41:32.840 --> 00:41:36.760
had to call in. But after what seemed like a

785
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:40.159
longer time than maybe should have been necessary for that trip,

786
00:41:40.519 --> 00:41:43.519
officers began to worry, you know, what's taken so long?

787
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:46.920
They noticed that Casey Casey's tag had been turned a while,

788
00:41:47.159 --> 00:41:48.960
and they also hadn't seen Vicki in a while, and

789
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:50.920
it kind of just raised a few eyebrows of what's

790
00:41:50.960 --> 00:41:53.599
taking so long? So an officer at the jail called

791
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:56.320
to check in with her and to see what was

792
00:41:56.360 --> 00:41:59.639
going on, but there was no answer. Whenever she called.

793
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.840
They fit that she was still on the trip and

794
00:42:02.880 --> 00:42:05.599
that you know, she was still handling her business, and

795
00:42:05.599 --> 00:42:07.519
so everybody else was like, well, she'll call back. When

796
00:42:07.559 --> 00:42:09.280
she calls back, i'll let you know what their eta

797
00:42:09.400 --> 00:42:13.800
is going to be. Well, by three o'clock that afternoon,

798
00:42:14.360 --> 00:42:17.599
Casey's tag was still sideways and Vicky wasn't back, and

799
00:42:17.679 --> 00:42:20.800
I don't care what happened. Vicky definitely should have been

800
00:42:20.880 --> 00:42:24.599
back by then. So this was pretty alarming to everybody

801
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.559
Once they realized that they never returned from the trip

802
00:42:27.800 --> 00:42:32.320
to the courthouse. Everyone that knew who would have been

803
00:42:32.400 --> 00:42:34.159
lying too if they didn't have it in the back

804
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:36.920
of their minds how dangerous Casey White was and that

805
00:42:37.039 --> 00:42:40.440
this really made people kind of feel sick about the situation.

806
00:42:41.119 --> 00:42:44.599
So they called the sheriff, who was at another event

807
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:47.599
at that time and was not nearby, and they alerted

808
00:42:47.639 --> 00:42:49.920
him of the situation that they hadn't returned and Vicky

809
00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:53.599
wasn't answering the phone. They also alerted the courthouse to say, look,

810
00:42:53.719 --> 00:42:56.239
are they there, and maybe Vicki's radio is not working

811
00:42:56.400 --> 00:43:00.480
or something. What is happening? And the courthouse immediately into

812
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.559
an all out search for Vicky, and everybody was praying

813
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.559
as they opened doors that they were going to find her,

814
00:43:05.599 --> 00:43:08.400
not only find her, but find her safe. But they

815
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:11.239
ended up clearing the entire courthouse and they didn't find

816
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:13.679
either one of them. They definitely weren't at the jail.

817
00:43:14.119 --> 00:43:17.360
Now they had an official problem on their hands. Nobody

818
00:43:17.440 --> 00:43:20.280
knew where they were, and so the Sheriff's office immediately

819
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:22.440
issued a bolo for them and be on the lookout

820
00:43:22.480 --> 00:43:26.119
for So everybody was on pins and needles, waiting to

821
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:29.880
hear if Vicky was okay and where was this monster

822
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.559
that she had left with. Had he hurt her, you know,

823
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:36.800
what had happened. So as the search for her continued,

824
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:40.480
somebody called in and said, Hey, I think there's a

825
00:43:40.519 --> 00:43:44.119
sheriff's unit parked outside of this academy, you know, like

826
00:43:44.159 --> 00:43:47.840
the Academy sports store that was local just a little

827
00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.119
while down the road. And so officers raced over there

828
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.880
to see if this was Vicky's police unit. And when

829
00:43:53.880 --> 00:43:57.320
they got there, they did confirm this was Vicky's police unit.

830
00:43:57.679 --> 00:44:01.400
So they open it up to look for evidence, and

831
00:44:01.960 --> 00:44:05.800
you know, Vicky wasn't there. So they are sick, I

832
00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:08.320
know they are, and they decide to pop the trunk.

833
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.039
So when they popped the trunk and they open it up,

834
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:17.480
they all thanked God because Vicky was not inside of it.

835
00:44:18.280 --> 00:44:21.199
That was a bittersweet victory because if she's not there,

836
00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:24.159
that's good, but if she, where is she? So they

837
00:44:24.199 --> 00:44:26.360
start searching through the car to see if they can

838
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.320
find any evidence or any clues, and in the back

839
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:33.039
seat of that police cruiser they found a handcuff key.

840
00:44:34.199 --> 00:44:37.320
They also noticed that Casey's jail shoes were still on

841
00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:40.079
the floorboard in the back of the police unit. Now,

842
00:44:40.119 --> 00:44:43.039
remember Casey was big. He was bigger than big. He

843
00:44:43.159 --> 00:44:47.400
was huge, So there was no way that he could

844
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:51.079
have crawled out of a window. It just physically wasn't possible.

845
00:44:51.440 --> 00:44:54.800
He could not have bent himself in half. They just

846
00:44:54.800 --> 00:44:57.000
were not believing that he could have crawled out of

847
00:44:57.000 --> 00:45:01.280
a window. So the question became, how did he get

848
00:45:01.280 --> 00:45:03.880
out of the car? Did he somehow hide a key

849
00:45:04.400 --> 00:45:07.679
and then uncuff himself. But even if that was the case,

850
00:45:07.760 --> 00:45:09.320
even if he had a hidden key and he was

851
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:13.199
able to uncuff himself, how did he persuade Vicky to

852
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.519
unlock the back doors and let him out? Because this

853
00:45:16.559 --> 00:45:19.920
is where information matters. The units. Police units have cages

854
00:45:19.960 --> 00:45:22.039
between the front seat and the back seat, and so

855
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:25.280
he didn't crawl over into the front seat and open

856
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:28.320
the door. That didn't happen because there's a cage in

857
00:45:28.360 --> 00:45:32.320
between them, and Vicky had to have opened the back door.

858
00:45:32.360 --> 00:45:34.000
And if you're like, well, why why couldn't he he

859
00:45:34.039 --> 00:45:39.239
have opened it? Well, first of all, police units are locked.

860
00:45:40.639 --> 00:45:42.880
They can't be opened from the inside. It's a safety

861
00:45:42.880 --> 00:45:45.639
mechanism of a police car. But the question then became

862
00:45:45.679 --> 00:45:49.159
did Vicky or excuse me, did Casey have a weapon

863
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.800
that they didn't know about? And maybe he was threatened

864
00:45:52.800 --> 00:45:56.000
into kill her. I mean, you don't know what's going on. Really,

865
00:45:56.000 --> 00:46:00.159
They had lots of questions and no answers whatsoever. And

866
00:46:00.239 --> 00:46:03.519
Vicky was much smaller than Casey. If you look at

867
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.079
a visual of them on camera in the jail, when

868
00:46:06.079 --> 00:46:09.039
she is standing next to him, the very top of

869
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:13.440
Vicky's head butts up to the height of where his

870
00:46:13.760 --> 00:46:18.840
lower chest would have been, not his chest, his lower chest.

871
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.920
He was much bigger than her. And so the question was,

872
00:46:24.480 --> 00:46:28.480
you know who was with her whenever she was taking

873
00:46:28.559 --> 00:46:32.039
Casey to court, you know the whole two person travel rule.

874
00:46:32.360 --> 00:46:36.199
Who was her coworker that went with her? Well, it

875
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:40.159
turned out that morning that they were running low on manpower.

876
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.000
Everybody was busy, All the deputies were tied up in

877
00:46:43.039 --> 00:46:45.880
that moment, so she just decided, look, I'll just take

878
00:46:45.960 --> 00:46:48.639
him by myself since there's nobody that can go with me. Now,

879
00:46:48.679 --> 00:46:50.880
I know what you're thinking, why the hell would she

880
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:54.840
do that knowing what was at risk, especially breaking a

881
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:58.079
rule like that. Well, I'm gonna let you in on

882
00:46:58.079 --> 00:47:00.599
a little something that's not usually spoken about out and

883
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:04.440
that's the fact that one of those vans that left

884
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:07.440
before VICKI remember the guy I mentioned that was the

885
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:10.199
domestic violence guy that had the strangulation. So he's a

886
00:47:10.199 --> 00:47:15.480
pretty pretty dangerous fella. He too, was taken with a

887
00:47:15.599 --> 00:47:21.239
single female transporting him, single female officer transporting him. So

888
00:47:21.760 --> 00:47:23.159
I'm just gonna go out on a limb and tell

889
00:47:23.199 --> 00:47:26.199
you this from what I understand here, to say that

890
00:47:26.199 --> 00:47:31.039
that transport rule was never broken just isn't ringing true.

891
00:47:31.119 --> 00:47:34.440
And this is a pretty big red flag for any facility,

892
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.599
just so you know, I mean, why is this rule

893
00:47:36.639 --> 00:47:42.400
being broken kind of flagrantly. So a deputy that's at

894
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:45.400
the jail logs into the cameras to see was there

895
00:47:45.440 --> 00:47:47.679
anything that they might could pick up one that was

896
00:47:47.679 --> 00:47:50.519
a miss that morning, or maybe Casey was hiding a

897
00:47:50.599 --> 00:47:53.400
weapon and maybe they would notice it now you know

898
00:47:53.440 --> 00:47:56.599
what could have gone on. And so she searches through

899
00:47:56.599 --> 00:48:01.280
the tape and everything is by the book. Everything one

900
00:48:01.360 --> 00:48:05.119
hundred percent of it is done by the book until

901
00:48:05.920 --> 00:48:10.280
they get to the sally port. When they're exiting the building,

902
00:48:11.679 --> 00:48:14.559
Vicky was in front of Casey as they walked out

903
00:48:14.920 --> 00:48:17.199
of the of the door into the sally port. And

904
00:48:17.280 --> 00:48:20.559
to the average Joe, I know what you're saying, okay,

905
00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:24.320
But to me and anyone else who knows what I'm

906
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:30.480
getting at, that is a huge problem. You never ever

907
00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:36.320
would lead an inmate, especially when you're taking outdoors outside

908
00:48:36.320 --> 00:48:39.480
of the facility. You would never lead an inmate from

909
00:48:39.519 --> 00:48:42.039
the front. When I tell you never, I mean you

910
00:48:42.079 --> 00:48:45.360
are a you are messing around with the with the

911
00:48:45.400 --> 00:48:48.800
wrong decision making at that point. You would never ever

912
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.800
escort somebody that way. You would escort somebody from behind

913
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.079
and in the trained escort position. And that trained escort

914
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.639
position is gonna tell you number one, you would never

915
00:48:59.760 --> 00:49:02.880
be directly in front of an inmate. And it's definitely

916
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.199
not good procedure and it's certainly not tactically sound to

917
00:49:07.320 --> 00:49:12.559
be directly behind an inmate whenever you're escorting them. This position,

918
00:49:12.639 --> 00:49:15.719
if you do that gives you no visual of this

919
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:20.159
six foot nine monster that is behind you. All he

920
00:49:20.280 --> 00:49:23.159
has to do, even if he is handcuffed, all he

921
00:49:23.199 --> 00:49:26.119
has to do is walk up on Vicki and put

922
00:49:26.119 --> 00:49:29.239
his arms out over her head, remember how much bigger

923
00:49:29.280 --> 00:49:31.920
he is, and then just chokerr pull in and just

924
00:49:32.039 --> 00:49:34.840
choke the ever living life out of her, not to

925
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:37.559
mention a billion other things that he could do. Why

926
00:49:37.599 --> 00:49:39.440
would you be in front of him, Vicky, You ought

927
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.079
to know better. You've been on the job for seventeen

928
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:45.039
years and you're just gonna walk in front of him.

929
00:49:45.079 --> 00:49:47.159
He could have cracked you in the head with the cuffs,

930
00:49:47.280 --> 00:49:48.960
he could have attacked you, He could have done a

931
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:52.719
billion things to you, and it just wasn't the right

932
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.360
thing to do. So it was like, has she become

933
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:59.719
overly complacent? And why now? Why on the last day

934
00:49:59.719 --> 00:50:01.320
of the day job. I mean, it was like the

935
00:50:01.360 --> 00:50:04.400
worst time to ever make a screw up of this

936
00:50:06.199 --> 00:50:09.840
potential on your last day at work. And it sure

937
00:50:09.920 --> 00:50:14.199
really seemed that way that she was not making good decisions.

938
00:50:14.239 --> 00:50:18.039
She traveled alone with him, and she really seemed nonchalant

939
00:50:18.400 --> 00:50:20.440
in his presence. When you were watching the end of

940
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:23.679
that video, it just raised some eyebrows of her lack

941
00:50:23.760 --> 00:50:27.440
of concern. So as tough as it was, as they're

942
00:50:27.599 --> 00:50:32.760
reviewing this, her work family was realizing something that before

943
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:37.760
now really seemed impossible, and that was the fact that

944
00:50:38.079 --> 00:50:40.079
a lot of these officers were starting to feel a

945
00:50:40.119 --> 00:50:43.199
pain that felt a whole lot like this may have

946
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:48.440
some betrayal to it, but there was no certainty to that.

947
00:50:49.079 --> 00:50:51.280
But it just seemed so out of character for her

948
00:50:51.320 --> 00:50:55.119
to let him walk behind her. So the police then

949
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.440
descended upon Vicki's home to go look for answers and

950
00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:01.079
maybe see if she was there, and so they approached

951
00:51:01.079 --> 00:51:04.000
the house weapons drawn, and as they're going up to

952
00:51:04.039 --> 00:51:07.239
the house looking for her, Vicky's mom came walking up

953
00:51:07.599 --> 00:51:10.760
from the yard and she seems really shocked. She's seeing

954
00:51:10.800 --> 00:51:14.239
people she knows with their guns drawn on the house,

955
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:16.679
and so she's like, guys, what's going on, what's going on?

956
00:51:16.800 --> 00:51:19.559
And they explain, all right, this is bad, but Vicky's

957
00:51:19.599 --> 00:51:23.880
missing and she's with an extremely dangerous felon and we're

958
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:28.039
not sure why. We don't know what's happened, and we're

959
00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:29.679
not even one hundred percent sure that she might not

960
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.000
be involved in it. We just can't figure out what's

961
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:34.079
going on at all. And so her mother is just

962
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:37.280
wide eyed, literally horrified at what she's being told by

963
00:51:37.280 --> 00:51:41.079
these officers. And when Casey's name was mentioned to her,

964
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:46.880
the name Casey White, her mom was legitimately flabbergasted. Vicky

965
00:51:46.960 --> 00:51:50.639
had never mentioned an inmate to her named Casey White.

966
00:51:50.760 --> 00:51:53.119
She'd never heard that name before. This was like at

967
00:51:53.119 --> 00:51:56.760
a left field and so it scared her. Vicky didn't

968
00:51:56.800 --> 00:52:00.880
mention this guy. She didn't. This is horrible. Dangerous guys

969
00:52:01.559 --> 00:52:04.360
got her and if she if you're trying to say

970
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:07.559
she was willing, this is completely out of character for

971
00:52:07.599 --> 00:52:10.559
what's been going on. Her mom explained, Look, we have

972
00:52:10.599 --> 00:52:13.400
a routine. You know, every day Vicky goes to work,

973
00:52:13.440 --> 00:52:15.400
she works at the jail, and then she comes home

974
00:52:15.639 --> 00:52:19.159
and we eat dinner together, and we do that every day.

975
00:52:19.360 --> 00:52:21.679
And you know, they're like, well, did you speak to

976
00:52:21.719 --> 00:52:23.360
her today? You have you spoken to her since she

977
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.360
went to work, and she had said absolutely and everything

978
00:52:26.559 --> 00:52:29.559
was absolutely normal, nothing was amiss. They said, okay, well

979
00:52:29.599 --> 00:52:31.519
what happened? She said, well, we spoke on the phone

980
00:52:31.519 --> 00:52:33.199
that morning. I had to talk to her because her

981
00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:35.119
dog is sick and I wanted to kind of check

982
00:52:35.159 --> 00:52:37.639
in and make sure everything was okay with the dog.

983
00:52:37.920 --> 00:52:40.480
And then she said I did text her later on

984
00:52:40.559 --> 00:52:43.280
that afternoon about the fact that don't worry, I'm going

985
00:52:43.320 --> 00:52:45.840
to be the one that's cooking supper. But VICKI never

986
00:52:45.920 --> 00:52:48.360
answered that text. But of course she didn't answer that text.

987
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:51.840
You're telling me that she's been taken. So police say,

988
00:52:51.880 --> 00:52:54.519
all right, look, can we go search the home? Can

989
00:52:54.559 --> 00:52:56.840
we go in the house and search? And her mom's like, absolutely,

990
00:52:56.880 --> 00:52:59.039
you can go in. So if you're wondering how the

991
00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:01.920
mom would be a to give Vicky a permission to

992
00:53:01.920 --> 00:53:04.760
go search Vicky's house, well, guess what. It turns out

993
00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:08.400
the address where Vicky lived was actually her mother's house.

994
00:53:09.199 --> 00:53:12.599
That wasn't Vicky's house, It was her mother's house. So

995
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:16.559
this comes into play. Vicky had recently sold her home

996
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:19.199
and because she sold her house, she moved back in

997
00:53:19.280 --> 00:53:21.840
and was living with her mom temporarily, and so she

998
00:53:21.920 --> 00:53:24.480
had her room and so the police go in there

999
00:53:24.480 --> 00:53:26.199
and they start looking through her room to see is

1000
00:53:26.239 --> 00:53:29.039
there anything that might could help us figure out where

1001
00:53:29.079 --> 00:53:32.480
she is. Well, in her room, some of the things

1002
00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.519
they found kind of came across as kind of peculiar.

1003
00:53:34.840 --> 00:53:40.840
They found Vicky's purse and all of her identification. A

1004
00:53:40.960 --> 00:53:43.000
lady is not going to leave her purse. And if

1005
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:45.679
she does leave her purse, Lady Jack and Vouchermi on

1006
00:53:45.679 --> 00:53:47.840
this one. If she does leave her purse, there's only

1007
00:53:47.880 --> 00:53:50.519
two reasons. The first reason is because we have a

1008
00:53:50.559 --> 00:53:54.360
smaller little clutch or little strap thing that we just

1009
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.360
need our ID and our credit card in or number two,

1010
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:00.159
we're going out with someone like our husband or our

1011
00:54:00.159 --> 00:54:02.760
boyfriend and they're carrying our ID. That's the only two

1012
00:54:02.800 --> 00:54:05.840
reasons we would leave our purse behind. But the problem

1013
00:54:05.920 --> 00:54:09.960
with this is that her ID was there, so it

1014
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:12.960
wasn't like she switched purses one like she and she

1015
00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:15.920
had gone to work. She didn't bring her purse to work.

1016
00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:19.719
Maybe she forgot it. Okay, maybe she forgot it. And

1017
00:54:19.800 --> 00:54:21.760
you have to remember all of this could be because

1018
00:54:21.760 --> 00:54:24.880
they don't know what's happening. But one thing they did

1019
00:54:24.960 --> 00:54:28.320
know is that she was a very meticulous record keeper.

1020
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:31.679
And while they're searching through all of her items to

1021
00:54:31.719 --> 00:54:34.559
see if they can figure anything out, one investigator looked

1022
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:37.920
in her check book and he noticed that she had

1023
00:54:37.960 --> 00:54:41.639
recently made a withdrawal from her bank account. But what

1024
00:54:41.800 --> 00:54:45.480
caught his attention wasn't that there was a withdrawal. It

1025
00:54:45.599 --> 00:54:49.119
was that it was a massive amount of money that

1026
00:54:49.159 --> 00:54:52.079
she withdrew, and so the obvious question was where did

1027
00:54:52.119 --> 00:54:54.639
she get all of this money? Because y'a, she worked

1028
00:54:54.639 --> 00:54:57.239
as a correctional officer, And I'm not down in anybody.

1029
00:54:57.280 --> 00:55:01.599
I did it myself, but we ain't rich. You certainly

1030
00:55:01.639 --> 00:55:04.840
will never be rich. And this was a lot of money.

1031
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:07.280
So where could she have gotten all of this money? Well,

1032
00:55:07.320 --> 00:55:13.400
it actually was legit. Five weeks before this issue, this escape,

1033
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.519
it seemed Vicky did a quick sale or a short

1034
00:55:17.559 --> 00:55:20.199
sale on her home and she sold it for ninety

1035
00:55:20.199 --> 00:55:23.960
five thousand, five hundred and fifty dollars. What was weird

1036
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:27.639
about that is that police knew Vicky, they knew about

1037
00:55:27.639 --> 00:55:31.360
her house and all that her house was worth way

1038
00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:34.119
more than that. Her house was worth two hundred and

1039
00:55:34.159 --> 00:55:39.639
thirty five, six hundred dollars. So you short sold your home,

1040
00:55:39.679 --> 00:55:42.960
and you short saled yourself, short sold whatever. However, I

1041
00:55:42.960 --> 00:55:45.599
would say that she shortened herself on how much money

1042
00:55:45.679 --> 00:55:48.360
she could make, and it was a lot, you know,

1043
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:51.840
why would you do that? And that massive withdrawal that

1044
00:55:51.880 --> 00:55:56.760
she had done was to the tune of ninety thousand dollars,

1045
00:55:56.800 --> 00:56:00.559
nearly everything that she had in the account. So her

1046
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:04.000
parents are poor parents. They're sitting back horrified because they're like,

1047
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:07.039
oh my god, you know, Vicky might be hurt right

1048
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:08.800
now when you're here digging through all of her stuff.

1049
00:56:08.840 --> 00:56:11.840
But it kind of was really looking too convenient for

1050
00:56:11.880 --> 00:56:14.960
this to be a spur of the moment thing, because

1051
00:56:15.400 --> 00:56:17.840
whenever they go, well, listen, what were her plans? She

1052
00:56:17.920 --> 00:56:20.199
was retiring today? You know, what were her plans? Where

1053
00:56:20.239 --> 00:56:22.599
was she going to go? When they asked her mom

1054
00:56:22.639 --> 00:56:25.079
that question, you know, where would she be heading, her

1055
00:56:25.119 --> 00:56:28.639
mom again is like, what what do you mean she's

1056
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:35.639
retiring today? Her mother had no clue that her daughter

1057
00:56:35.719 --> 00:56:39.039
was retiring none. The mom that she lived with, that

1058
00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:42.039
she ate dinner with every day, had no idea that

1059
00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:44.800
she was going to be retiring. Her mom knew nothing

1060
00:56:44.880 --> 00:56:47.639
about it. And the police told her, well, yeah, she

1061
00:56:47.760 --> 00:56:51.679
submitted her retirement papers. We threw her a party. She

1062
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.519
was definitely retiring. And I can't imagine now what mom

1063
00:56:55.559 --> 00:56:58.760
and dad were feeling. Your daughter is kidnapped by a

1064
00:56:58.840 --> 00:57:03.039
dangerous felon, and she seems to have been lying to

1065
00:57:03.079 --> 00:57:06.639
you about like everything, and you don't know what's going on,

1066
00:57:06.679 --> 00:57:09.000
and you just want your daughter back, and you're just

1067
00:57:09.559 --> 00:57:12.239
all over the place, you don't know what's happening. Lord

1068
00:57:12.320 --> 00:57:14.599
Daddy decided to be damned of whatever's going on here.

1069
00:57:14.639 --> 00:57:16.400
I want my daughter back and so he decided to

1070
00:57:16.400 --> 00:57:19.000
help the police. So he handed over some documents that

1071
00:57:19.039 --> 00:57:22.519
he had about a storage facility or a storage rental

1072
00:57:22.880 --> 00:57:25.920
that Vicky had, And so they're looking at this facility

1073
00:57:25.960 --> 00:57:27.960
trying to figure out, okay, was she storing stuff here?

1074
00:57:28.320 --> 00:57:30.960
You know, what was going on. And one of the investigators,

1075
00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.440
again remember they all know her, they've worked with her

1076
00:57:33.440 --> 00:57:36.800
for DOWMN near twenty years, he realized that the phone

1077
00:57:36.880 --> 00:57:40.679
number that was tied to that rental agreement wasn't Vicky's number.

1078
00:57:41.000 --> 00:57:43.639
He knew it wasn't Vicky's number because he knew Vicky's number.

1079
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:49.280
So police decide to run that phone number and they

1080
00:57:49.320 --> 00:57:53.880
don't get anything back from it. But what they also

1081
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:58.440
did was they cross referenced that unknown phone number with

1082
00:57:58.679 --> 00:58:03.639
Casey White's prison calls prison phone calls, and what they

1083
00:58:03.719 --> 00:58:07.360
found was that unknown phone number had been calling the

1084
00:58:07.519 --> 00:58:13.679
jail and talking to Casey White and a lot from

1085
00:58:13.719 --> 00:58:18.119
November of twenty twenty through February of twenty twenty two.

1086
00:58:19.079 --> 00:58:22.840
That phone number had made over one thousand phone calls

1087
00:58:23.440 --> 00:58:26.280
between the owner of that phone, whoever it was, and

1088
00:58:26.360 --> 00:58:30.599
Casey White at the jail. So, of course we all

1089
00:58:30.639 --> 00:58:34.239
know this probably all phone calls are recorded at the jail,

1090
00:58:34.480 --> 00:58:36.239
so they were able to go run to the jail

1091
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:38.719
and pull up those recordings to see who he was

1092
00:58:38.760 --> 00:58:43.320
talking to, and lo and behold, if it wasn't Vicky

1093
00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:46.960
White on the phone talking to this guy that she

1094
00:58:47.039 --> 00:58:51.639
is supposed to be keeping in the custody and care

1095
00:58:52.679 --> 00:58:58.320
of the Sheriff's office. So what they realize is that

1096
00:58:58.440 --> 00:59:03.400
Casey has been called her own place of work to

1097
00:59:03.519 --> 00:59:09.800
talk to a dangerous felon for over two years and

1098
00:59:09.960 --> 00:59:14.360
right under the nose of her own employees. How could

1099
00:59:14.400 --> 00:59:18.599
that happen? I know, Someone's like, wait, what, how no

1100
00:59:18.679 --> 00:59:21.920
one noticed? I mean there's not somebody that's listening in

1101
00:59:21.960 --> 00:59:24.159
on the calls. I mean people listen in on calls.

1102
00:59:24.480 --> 00:59:26.559
How did no one pick up on it? Well, I

1103
00:59:26.599 --> 00:59:28.679
want you to think about it. And I actually did

1104
00:59:28.719 --> 00:59:32.280
confer with some people that are one hundred percent in

1105
00:59:32.320 --> 00:59:35.599
the know about these types of things, okay, to make

1106
00:59:35.599 --> 00:59:37.000
sure I was on the right track and I was

1107
00:59:38.039 --> 00:59:42.719
think about it. There wasn't any reason for Casey White's

1108
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:46.599
phone calls to be actually monitored. They recorded them like

1109
00:59:46.639 --> 00:59:49.840
everybody else's, but there was no reason to monitor them.

1110
00:59:50.199 --> 00:59:54.000
So whenever we have these phone call systems in jails,

1111
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.159
majority of systems that are used are going to Again,

1112
00:59:57.199 --> 00:59:59.239
there's a billion systems that could be used, so I'm

1113
00:59:59.239 --> 01:00:02.360
not speaking for on any system, but in general, most

1114
01:00:02.400 --> 01:00:05.039
of these systems are going to have flag words that

1115
01:00:05.159 --> 01:00:08.800
will alert in the system if certain words are said,

1116
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:13.159
things like escape or murder or something like, you know,

1117
01:00:13.280 --> 01:00:16.840
kill or let's lie, I don't know whatever words. They

1118
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:20.639
can be set by the agency or whatever, but those

1119
01:00:20.719 --> 01:00:22.800
flag words might pop up, and of course they're going

1120
01:00:22.880 --> 01:00:25.519
to go review those to make sure there's no serious

1121
01:00:25.519 --> 01:00:28.000
problem that's going to go on here. But as far

1122
01:00:28.039 --> 01:00:31.280
as someone's sitting and listening to thousands of phone calls

1123
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:36.159
daily just in case something might be weird, that's just

1124
01:00:36.199 --> 01:00:39.280
not going to happen. There's not enough manpower to listen

1125
01:00:39.320 --> 01:00:41.800
to all of those thousands of calls times every inmate

1126
01:00:41.840 --> 01:00:46.239
that's incarcerated. The people that can listen to those calls though,

1127
01:00:46.280 --> 01:00:50.000
there's a certain number of authorized users to the system,

1128
01:00:50.320 --> 01:00:53.000
so people like maybe a district attorney or someone that

1129
01:00:53.039 --> 01:00:55.599
would have a vested interest and authority to go in

1130
01:00:55.639 --> 01:00:58.760
and listen to these jail calls, and so they can

1131
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:03.440
log in for investigation purposes. But I want you to

1132
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:07.239
understand that whoever logs into these systems, it's it's maintained

1133
01:01:07.280 --> 01:01:12.239
by keystroke, meaning every person that logs into this system,

1134
01:01:12.639 --> 01:01:15.599
it's documented. They're going to know who logs in. And

1135
01:01:16.559 --> 01:01:18.239
the same thing applies for police too, And I just

1136
01:01:18.280 --> 01:01:20.440
want everybody and understand this. You know, police, we have

1137
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:23.480
our units in our vehicles, and so you can't just

1138
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:26.360
jump in your vehicle, go to your cat in your

1139
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:28.360
car and just look up people for the fun of it.

1140
01:01:29.159 --> 01:01:32.119
That's not acceptable use and you will be in trouble

1141
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.159
for that. You can only look at people in official capacity.

1142
01:01:35.400 --> 01:01:37.599
So if you pull somebody over for a traffic violation,

1143
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:39.760
of course you're going to run their name. If you're

1144
01:01:40.440 --> 01:01:42.840
you know, think there's been burglaries going on and you

1145
01:01:42.880 --> 01:01:44.920
find somebody in the middle of the night kind of

1146
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.760
you know, lurking around, you could run their ID to

1147
01:01:47.800 --> 01:01:50.239
see who they are and whatever. But it's got to

1148
01:01:50.280 --> 01:01:53.800
be in official capacity. I'll tell you this too. Make

1149
01:01:53.840 --> 01:01:56.880
the mistake of looking up somebody like the president or

1150
01:01:56.920 --> 01:02:00.599
a celebrity in your system just out of curio, and

1151
01:02:00.719 --> 01:02:03.679
your ass is going to be grass. Do you hear me?

1152
01:02:04.440 --> 01:02:09.320
With much power comes much responsibility and you cannot misuse

1153
01:02:09.320 --> 01:02:12.480
your systems in that way. So just a little background

1154
01:02:12.519 --> 01:02:18.480
information on this. She was using that burner phone, the

1155
01:02:18.559 --> 01:02:22.000
unknown phone number to call Casey White on the regular

1156
01:02:22.599 --> 01:02:26.679
and we call it a burner phone because that's kind

1157
01:02:26.719 --> 01:02:28.440
of the idea is like you can burn the phone

1158
01:02:28.440 --> 01:02:29.800
like you can you can get rid of it when

1159
01:02:29.840 --> 01:02:33.000
you want to, so real quick, a burner phone. All

1160
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:37.199
burner phones are prepaid phones, but not all prepaid phones

1161
01:02:37.360 --> 01:02:41.039
are burner phones, if that makes sense. So basically, if

1162
01:02:41.039 --> 01:02:42.719
someone gets a burner phone, it's going to be a

1163
01:02:42.800 --> 01:02:45.440
cheap phone and it comes with a set number of

1164
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:50.039
prepaid minutes or text messages or whatever, and there's no

1165
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:53.360
contract to get these phones. It cannot be traced back

1166
01:02:53.400 --> 01:02:55.519
to you because you don't have to give any identifiable

1167
01:02:55.519 --> 01:02:58.840
information to buy it. It's basically on the counter. You

1168
01:02:58.840 --> 01:03:00.599
can go to Walmart and you can buy and it's

1169
01:03:00.639 --> 01:03:03.000
got sixty minutes on it and you just check out

1170
01:03:03.199 --> 01:03:06.360
and you activate your minutes and it's not tied to

1171
01:03:06.400 --> 01:03:11.159
you by name. That's why criminals love them. It's hard

1172
01:03:11.199 --> 01:03:13.840
to track them and figure out who bought them. So

1173
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:19.880
this whole realization made this way more devious than was

1174
01:03:20.320 --> 01:03:23.880
originally thought, and friends were now kind of sitting back

1175
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:26.360
in their seats and just shaking their heads in disbelief

1176
01:03:26.519 --> 01:03:32.199
at the utter betrayal that they felt, and they felt used,

1177
01:03:32.639 --> 01:03:35.280
and it was right in their faces, basically like thrown

1178
01:03:35.320 --> 01:03:38.360
in their faces, and it was just a sick feeling.

1179
01:03:38.599 --> 01:03:42.039
And I know this because I've been in their shoes.

1180
01:03:42.239 --> 01:03:45.639
And trust me when I tell you that betrayal by

1181
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:49.679
a brother or sister in blue is a dish served

1182
01:03:49.920 --> 01:03:53.360
ice fucking cold, and it hurts. And I don't care

1183
01:03:53.360 --> 01:03:58.800
how tough you are, it hurts. I've experienced it more

1184
01:03:58.840 --> 01:04:02.559
times than I ever expected in my lifetime to experience it,

1185
01:04:02.599 --> 01:04:04.639
and it's been just here. In the last few years.

1186
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:06.400
I will be doing episodes on it. Like I keep

1187
01:04:06.400 --> 01:04:08.599
telling you, I'm just not there yet. And I have

1188
01:04:08.719 --> 01:04:12.000
personally sat on my back porch with my own head

1189
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:15.039
in my hands and cried over someone who I personally

1190
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:18.079
thought hung the moon and it turns out they're an

1191
01:04:18.159 --> 01:04:22.880
absolute piece of shit. And then in the meantime, you're

1192
01:04:22.920 --> 01:04:25.320
trying to mitigate those feelings, and then the public is

1193
01:04:25.360 --> 01:04:28.840
looking at you as if you somehow were complicit in

1194
01:04:28.920 --> 01:04:34.039
this because you worked with them, and you've been tricked.

1195
01:04:34.079 --> 01:04:36.719
You've been duped, just like everybody else. And it just

1196
01:04:36.800 --> 01:04:40.400
hurts from more angles than I could possibly express to you.

1197
01:04:42.079 --> 01:04:44.800
Now that they all realized Vicki wasn't who they thought

1198
01:04:44.840 --> 01:04:48.280
she was, the chase was on and it was investigators

1199
01:04:48.360 --> 01:04:51.800
versus a woman who knew the game and knew how

1200
01:04:51.840 --> 01:04:54.840
it was played. This was not your average chase that

1201
01:04:54.840 --> 01:04:57.320
they're trying to figure out where she where they were.

1202
01:04:57.559 --> 01:04:59.760
And this wasn't a game of cat and mouse either

1203
01:04:59.760 --> 01:05:03.599
when you're thinking criminal and police. This was barncat and

1204
01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:07.880
house cat versus the police, the leos, the kings of

1205
01:05:07.920 --> 01:05:09.760
the jungle. And when I tell you they were on

1206
01:05:09.800 --> 01:05:11.840
the hunt to protect the public, they were gonna hold

1207
01:05:11.880 --> 01:05:16.000
nothing back because now they're pissed too for the betrayal.

1208
01:05:16.719 --> 01:05:18.320
And I'm just gonna say this, and I think I

1209
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:20.360
don't care if you don't like it. I'm just gonna

1210
01:05:20.360 --> 01:05:23.400
say it. Fuck anybody who takes an oath to service

1211
01:05:23.880 --> 01:05:27.199
and to protect and serve people and to be good

1212
01:05:27.199 --> 01:05:29.960
to your community and to follow the law, and then

1213
01:05:30.199 --> 01:05:33.480
you cross that thin blue line for a criminal, Fuck you.

1214
01:05:33.480 --> 01:05:34.840
You can go ahead and record this and you can

1215
01:05:34.920 --> 01:05:37.280
send it to somebody I stand on business when I

1216
01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:41.480
say it. So press conferences were being held and everything

1217
01:05:41.519 --> 01:05:44.159
was blasted to the public about the situation that they could,

1218
01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.840
because they wanted everyone to know. And so the chase

1219
01:05:47.079 --> 01:05:51.480
portion of this whole thing became was assigned and left

1220
01:05:51.519 --> 01:05:55.880
to the Marshall's Office, and there were other tasks that

1221
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:57.679
there was just a multitude of tasks that had to

1222
01:05:57.679 --> 01:05:59.840
be done, and so other agencies were there, like the FBI,

1223
01:06:00.079 --> 01:06:03.159
the local police, but the Marshall's Office took control of

1224
01:06:03.239 --> 01:06:05.239
the chase. And if you don't, if you aren't familiar

1225
01:06:05.280 --> 01:06:07.519
with the Marshall's Office, they have a crap ton of

1226
01:06:07.599 --> 01:06:10.000
duties that they do. But a quick summary would be

1227
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:15.679
that they basically assist every law enforcement agency in the

1228
01:06:15.800 --> 01:06:22.360
enforcement of federal laws and apprehension of people. But that's

1229
01:06:22.400 --> 01:06:24.000
not the all inclusive list, but I just want you

1230
01:06:24.000 --> 01:06:25.599
to understand that's what they do, is they come in

1231
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:29.000
and they assist. This was necessary. They needed all of

1232
01:06:29.039 --> 01:06:32.400
this because again Vicky was familiar with the investigative process,

1233
01:06:32.440 --> 01:06:34.880
and she was also very familiar with how they track people.

1234
01:06:35.159 --> 01:06:38.599
And they know she was because she was talking about

1235
01:06:38.599 --> 01:06:41.679
it in her phone calls to Casey White. She was

1236
01:06:41.719 --> 01:06:45.239
explaining to him, No towers are used in tracking phones,

1237
01:06:45.360 --> 01:06:47.679
and they're gonna check my search history on my computer.

1238
01:06:48.000 --> 01:06:50.920
If I google certain things, all of it's tracked, Casey.

1239
01:06:51.960 --> 01:06:55.000
So of course hindsight is twenty twenty, and now it

1240
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:59.639
made sense why Vicky left the jail with Casey. But

1241
01:07:00.519 --> 01:07:05.159
they also realized they never went to the courthouse. When

1242
01:07:05.159 --> 01:07:08.760
they're piecing this together and all of the movements that morning,

1243
01:07:09.159 --> 01:07:13.039
a few pretty big realizations were made. There actually was

1244
01:07:13.199 --> 01:07:18.559
never even a court appointment, y'all. No one questioned Vicki

1245
01:07:18.639 --> 01:07:20.920
whenever she said get Casey ready for court, because she

1246
01:07:21.000 --> 01:07:26.400
was the supervisor. There was never a court appearance. It

1247
01:07:26.519 --> 01:07:30.960
was made up, all made up. When it was realized

1248
01:07:31.239 --> 01:07:34.320
that they were later than normal coming back, an officer

1249
01:07:34.480 --> 01:07:38.400
did call Vicki, not the call I talked about earlier.

1250
01:07:38.480 --> 01:07:42.440
A officer did call Vicki and she said Vicky answered,

1251
01:07:43.039 --> 01:07:45.840
but she told that officer that she was feeling sick

1252
01:07:46.239 --> 01:07:48.679
and that she was having to seek medical treatment. So

1253
01:07:48.679 --> 01:07:51.119
she was just gonna be a little bit later getting back.

1254
01:07:51.800 --> 01:07:56.119
So this wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This

1255
01:07:56.320 --> 01:07:59.360
was more like a very detailed, long well thought out

1256
01:08:00.239 --> 01:08:03.840
plan and when they left that jail, they never went

1257
01:08:03.880 --> 01:08:07.960
to the courthouse. They went directly to that Florence Square

1258
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:11.079
shopping center where the police, remember they found that unit

1259
01:08:11.360 --> 01:08:15.320
and they searched it. Well, they had gone and decided,

1260
01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.000
we've got to get surveillance footage for that area of

1261
01:08:18.039 --> 01:08:20.319
where the police car was left. So they go pull

1262
01:08:20.920 --> 01:08:25.199
foot the police footage and based on what they saw,

1263
01:08:25.319 --> 01:08:27.600
they believed that Casey, because he was so big, he

1264
01:08:27.680 --> 01:08:29.560
must have been laying down in the back seat of

1265
01:08:29.560 --> 01:08:32.560
that patrol car so it wouldn't draw any attention to him.

1266
01:08:33.399 --> 01:08:37.159
And then as they're going back through days of that tape,

1267
01:08:37.720 --> 01:08:40.479
they realized that Vicky had been at that shopping center

1268
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:44.560
prior to this escape, and so they started watching her

1269
01:08:45.279 --> 01:08:50.479
and they saw her. She's in a baseball cap, all

1270
01:08:50.479 --> 01:08:51.880
of her hair is pulled up in it so you

1271
01:08:51.880 --> 01:08:55.279
can't see that bright white blonde hair. She's got on sunglasses,

1272
01:08:55.920 --> 01:08:59.119
and they noticed that she goes and she parks a

1273
01:08:59.239 --> 01:09:02.399
vehicle in the back of the parking lot, which is

1274
01:09:02.439 --> 01:09:05.039
where right next to where the police car would have

1275
01:09:05.039 --> 01:09:08.960
been parked days later. So on that camera, what they

1276
01:09:09.039 --> 01:09:14.119
realized is that she had set this up that car

1277
01:09:14.239 --> 01:09:17.319
was placed there as the getaway car, and so it

1278
01:09:17.399 --> 01:09:19.560
was put their own purpose that they would drive the

1279
01:09:19.600 --> 01:09:23.000
police unit straight to it whenever they left the jail

1280
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:26.319
and they would switch into that other car. And now

1281
01:09:26.359 --> 01:09:28.560
what they believed happened is once they took off from

1282
01:09:28.600 --> 01:09:31.800
the jail, she passed a handcuff key to him and

1283
01:09:31.880 --> 01:09:36.079
he unshackled himself, and then whenever they got there, she

1284
01:09:36.239 --> 01:09:38.520
got out, she opened the car door and he just

1285
01:09:38.560 --> 01:09:41.359
got out of the car. That's what had to have happened,

1286
01:09:41.399 --> 01:09:44.439
because remember police cars can't be opened from the inside.

1287
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.640
That cage was there. She had to have let him out,

1288
01:09:48.039 --> 01:09:50.399
and then they got into that personal vehicle and they

1289
01:09:50.479 --> 01:09:53.600
drove away. They also found out that Vicki spent the

1290
01:09:53.680 --> 01:09:58.439
night at a nearby hotel the night before, and I'm

1291
01:09:58.439 --> 01:10:00.680
not sure why, other than to keep it eye on

1292
01:10:00.680 --> 01:10:03.760
her own vehicle maybe, But also I'm not sure if

1293
01:10:03.800 --> 01:10:05.920
she walked to work that morning or not, because it

1294
01:10:05.960 --> 01:10:08.960
was pretty close. I'm actually not certain on that. But

1295
01:10:09.279 --> 01:10:11.119
they found that she spent the night at a hotel.

1296
01:10:11.960 --> 01:10:15.039
So looking through all of Vicky's purchase histories, police noticed

1297
01:10:15.079 --> 01:10:17.239
that she was shopping in what really seemed like a

1298
01:10:17.279 --> 01:10:21.039
normal fashion. At first, she was going to the grocery

1299
01:10:21.039 --> 01:10:23.680
store like all of us do. But when they started

1300
01:10:24.279 --> 01:10:27.119
looking over what she was buying, because they went to

1301
01:10:27.159 --> 01:10:30.079
that extent to compare the purchases and then pull tape

1302
01:10:30.119 --> 01:10:32.760
at Walmart and all that, when they started looking at

1303
01:10:32.800 --> 01:10:35.680
what she was buying, they started noticing a trend. She

1304
01:10:35.880 --> 01:10:39.479
was buying all groceries, but she would always slip in

1305
01:10:39.640 --> 01:10:44.079
one piece of camping equipment per trip, and this was

1306
01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:47.840
done over months, so there'd be a sleeping bag here,

1307
01:10:48.239 --> 01:10:52.479
a travel grille hit there, and basically they realized she

1308
01:10:52.520 --> 01:10:54.960
was slowly piling up a bug out bag or a

1309
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:59.199
getaway bag. So she also had made some purchases at Cohl's,

1310
01:10:59.239 --> 01:11:02.520
and when they checked on those purchases, the single Vicky

1311
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:07.039
with no kids was purchasing men's clothing. So it's pretty

1312
01:11:07.119 --> 01:11:09.760
damn obvious now that that was clothing she purchased for

1313
01:11:09.880 --> 01:11:13.159
Casey to be able to change into after the escape.

1314
01:11:13.199 --> 01:11:15.720
And interesting too, if you want to know, is she

1315
01:11:15.880 --> 01:11:20.720
also stopped at a sex shop. That's right, and bought

1316
01:11:20.760 --> 01:11:24.560
whatever tools I guess she needed. I wouldn't actually able

1317
01:11:24.600 --> 01:11:26.279
to find out what tools she bought there. I'll leave

1318
01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:29.720
that to your imagination. But she did manage to get

1319
01:11:29.760 --> 01:11:32.680
some wigs as well, So maybe she got those wigs there.

1320
01:11:32.760 --> 01:11:35.720
I don't know, but she had some well rounded shopping

1321
01:11:35.760 --> 01:11:39.479
that she did somewhere during all of this timeframe. Two,

1322
01:11:40.039 --> 01:11:44.359
Vicky's coworkers invited her to a fun party. And if

1323
01:11:44.359 --> 01:11:46.600
you're not familiar with what I'm talking about, a fun

1324
01:11:46.640 --> 01:11:50.680
party is like a sex party where you go buy

1325
01:11:51.840 --> 01:11:54.520
stuff to have sex with. Like not like a diddy party,

1326
01:11:54.560 --> 01:11:57.520
whoa no, but like a people go and they show

1327
01:11:57.560 --> 01:12:00.760
products and you can buy those products there. Okay, Now,

1328
01:12:01.159 --> 01:12:04.119
the fact that Vicky went really surprised everyone. Number One,

1329
01:12:04.119 --> 01:12:05.520
they all kind of looked around like, I can't believe

1330
01:12:05.560 --> 01:12:08.600
Vicky is here. Secondly, she seemed to be balls to

1331
01:12:08.640 --> 01:12:11.800
the wall, like wild about making purchases. It just was

1332
01:12:11.840 --> 01:12:14.880
so bizarre because they knew she was single. What do

1333
01:12:14.960 --> 01:12:17.239
you need a this shit for? She bought some risk

1334
01:12:17.279 --> 01:12:23.359
ay stuff like leather and ballgags and shit. So I mean,

1335
01:12:23.359 --> 01:12:24.960
that's risky for me. I don't know if that's risky

1336
01:12:25.000 --> 01:12:28.479
for you. I ain't judge it. We listen, we don't judge, okay,

1337
01:12:28.800 --> 01:12:32.319
but I don't have a ballgag. Sorry, but anyway, So

1338
01:12:32.720 --> 01:12:35.159
she bought some risk Aye stuff, and then whenever the

1339
01:12:35.199 --> 01:12:37.600
police are listening in on a lot of those previous

1340
01:12:37.640 --> 01:12:41.279
phone calls together, Casey requests that she buys him a

1341
01:12:41.319 --> 01:12:45.399
penis pump. I tell you what, It's one thing to

1342
01:12:45.439 --> 01:12:47.039
be an ugly sam of a bitch, but you can't

1343
01:12:47.039 --> 01:12:49.800
even keep it up either. I don't get it. I

1344
01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:52.119
don't get the attraction, but either way, he wanted a

1345
01:12:52.119 --> 01:12:57.000
penis pump. Also, during all of those phone communications, there

1346
01:12:57.159 --> 01:13:01.640
was a ton of phone sex going on, and I

1347
01:13:01.720 --> 01:13:03.479
listen to some of it, and I want y'all to

1348
01:13:03.520 --> 01:13:05.600
know this was the most crim shit I've ever heard

1349
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:07.800
in my entire life. And I'm not a prude. I

1350
01:13:07.880 --> 01:13:10.159
need y'all to know that, Mama and a prude. I'm

1351
01:13:10.159 --> 01:13:12.039
all about, like, wave your flag, do what you got

1352
01:13:12.039 --> 01:13:14.920
to do. But listening to Grandma moaning on the phone

1353
01:13:14.960 --> 01:13:17.680
with Dumbbo moaning back, maybe want a freaking puke in

1354
01:13:17.720 --> 01:13:19.560
my mouth a little bit. I mean, it was horrible,

1355
01:13:20.119 --> 01:13:22.840
and it was pretty obvious during the phone calls that

1356
01:13:23.039 --> 01:13:26.600
the emotional manipulation that I believe Casey was doing at

1357
01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.039
that point was going pretty thick, pretty thick, And I

1358
01:13:30.039 --> 01:13:31.960
want to explain this to you. Just like a child

1359
01:13:32.279 --> 01:13:36.319
being groomed by a sex predator, the inmates are going

1360
01:13:36.399 --> 01:13:38.880
to spend a whole lot of time honing their craft

1361
01:13:39.239 --> 01:13:44.520
on officers. And they have everything to gain by manipulation, sex, money,

1362
01:13:45.159 --> 01:13:51.159
and escape. I mean, they have nothing to gain, or

1363
01:13:51.199 --> 01:13:53.039
they have everything to gain and nothing to lose by

1364
01:13:53.079 --> 01:13:57.960
trying to woo an officer. And the process is pretty textbook,

1365
01:13:58.439 --> 01:14:01.520
So I'm gonna explain it to you real quick. It

1366
01:14:01.600 --> 01:14:04.600
usually starts with small talk. It starts with small talk

1367
01:14:04.640 --> 01:14:07.079
with these officers. Remember, day in and day out, they're

1368
01:14:07.119 --> 01:14:10.640
with each other, and so they'll do small talk with

1369
01:14:10.680 --> 01:14:14.239
these officers. But they're also going to easedrop on conversations

1370
01:14:14.479 --> 01:14:16.920
while pretending that they're not listening. They do it every

1371
01:14:16.960 --> 01:14:20.800
single day. And while they're listening and just doing small talk,

1372
01:14:21.560 --> 01:14:26.840
they're learning about you. They're learning about your dislikes, your interests,

1373
01:14:27.079 --> 01:14:31.079
your vulnerabilities, things like if you have family problems or

1374
01:14:31.119 --> 01:14:34.720
if you have addictions. But another thing that is considered

1375
01:14:34.800 --> 01:14:38.560
a vulnerability is someone who is aging. If you did

1376
01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.680
not know that. So the steps then become pretty like

1377
01:14:42.720 --> 01:14:48.680
I said, textbook. It's conning, grooming, and then manipulation. So

1378
01:14:48.840 --> 01:14:51.600
I'm not minimizing Vicky's role in this at all, and

1379
01:14:51.640 --> 01:14:53.079
I don't want it to come across that way. She

1380
01:14:53.159 --> 01:14:56.079
was a grown ass adult. I'm just explaining how could

1381
01:14:56.079 --> 01:14:58.479
this have happened when everyone is saying this wasn't VICKI,

1382
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:00.680
this was not her. How could that this have happened?

1383
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:03.880
This is what happens. They they do the small talk,

1384
01:15:03.880 --> 01:15:06.439
and they learn about you, they pick out the vulnerabilities,

1385
01:15:06.640 --> 01:15:09.279
and then what they're gonna do, which is very calculated,

1386
01:15:09.359 --> 01:15:12.319
is they're gonna give you a gift. And the reason

1387
01:15:12.359 --> 01:15:15.520
they give you the gift is that gift implies some

1388
01:15:15.640 --> 01:15:20.119
type of obligation to be kind to them. And again

1389
01:15:20.319 --> 01:15:23.520
it goes back to like I like to say, Southern manners,

1390
01:15:23.880 --> 01:15:26.840
or just being a decent human being. When someone is

1391
01:15:26.960 --> 01:15:29.760
nice to you and gives you a gift, you want

1392
01:15:29.800 --> 01:15:34.720
to be kind to them for doing so. So then

1393
01:15:36.159 --> 01:15:39.760
it makes the officer feel like, well, maybe this inmate

1394
01:15:39.840 --> 01:15:43.119
isn't that bad. Maybe they really, you know, do care

1395
01:15:43.199 --> 01:15:45.960
about me. And I don't mean in a sexual way either.

1396
01:15:46.000 --> 01:15:48.279
It's just like in a human way, because you might

1397
01:15:48.279 --> 01:15:50.840
look for the good in people, and that good could

1398
01:15:50.880 --> 01:15:53.039
be like if they say, I would protect you if

1399
01:15:53.039 --> 01:15:55.439
anybody ever tried to hurt you. No one's touching you

1400
01:15:55.479 --> 01:15:57.439
in here. Or you know, you're a good officer. You're

1401
01:15:57.439 --> 01:15:59.399
one of the good ones, man, So we're gonna don't

1402
01:15:59.439 --> 01:16:02.800
ever worry about you. I got you, or praising that officer.

1403
01:16:02.880 --> 01:16:05.119
You know, you're the good guys. There's so many bad

1404
01:16:05.119 --> 01:16:06.600
ones here, but you know how to do your job.

1405
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:09.720
They kind of stroke that ego a little bit. They

1406
01:16:09.800 --> 01:16:13.000
might say, hey, your hair looks nice today, or you know,

1407
01:16:13.039 --> 01:16:15.920
you lost some weight like I mentioned. And what happened is,

1408
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:19.439
and this was verified by other inmates, is that Casey

1409
01:16:20.279 --> 01:16:23.960
loved to tell Vicky that she had a fine ass.

1410
01:16:25.399 --> 01:16:27.680
And the problem was that the very first time he

1411
01:16:27.760 --> 01:16:29.359
said that to her and say, girl, you got a

1412
01:16:29.399 --> 01:16:32.640
fine ass on you. The problem was that Vicky felt

1413
01:16:32.720 --> 01:16:36.880
flattered by it, and rather than writing him up what

1414
01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:39.159
she should have done immediately, that should have been a

1415
01:16:39.199 --> 01:16:44.359
sex offense immediately, she let the comment slide. And when

1416
01:16:44.359 --> 01:16:47.399
she let that slide, Casey knew he was in. He

1417
01:16:47.520 --> 01:16:50.119
was in like flint because if someone told me you

1418
01:16:50.199 --> 01:16:51.880
a fine ass, I would say, and you're about to

1419
01:16:51.920 --> 01:16:53.960
be fucked over, bro, You're going in a jail cell.

1420
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:56.119
You're going to be locked up, You're going down. Sorry,

1421
01:16:56.680 --> 01:16:58.600
don't talk about me like that again. You know what

1422
01:16:58.640 --> 01:16:59.920
I'm saying Like that would have been shut down in

1423
01:16:59.920 --> 01:17:01.800
a heartbeat, just because don't talk to me like that.

1424
01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:05.520
In the meantime, But during one of their recorded conversations,

1425
01:17:05.840 --> 01:17:09.880
Vicky said something that I immediately knew was his inn

1426
01:17:10.199 --> 01:17:11.840
when I found out about the fact that he was

1427
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:14.439
talking about her ass And it was something that she

1428
01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:17.119
said to him when he asked her one time, what

1429
01:17:17.159 --> 01:17:19.520
it would be your dream job? And it just seemed

1430
01:17:19.520 --> 01:17:21.279
like a typical conversation, like what could you do if

1431
01:17:21.279 --> 01:17:22.720
you didn't have to work here? What would be your

1432
01:17:22.800 --> 01:17:27.560
dream job? Again? Gathering information on her, and what she

1433
01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:29.960
said was, and this is a quote, if I would

1434
01:17:30.000 --> 01:17:32.560
have been pretty enough, I would have wanted to be

1435
01:17:32.600 --> 01:17:37.920
a stripper and dance on a pole. That said a

1436
01:17:38.000 --> 01:17:40.279
lot to me. And it's not about being a stripper.

1437
01:17:40.319 --> 01:17:42.079
It's not that she was being edgy or anything. It's

1438
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:46.239
that she said, if I would have been pretty enough, Boom.

1439
01:17:46.479 --> 01:17:49.319
You can tell right there with that that she has

1440
01:17:49.399 --> 01:17:52.760
low self esteem. She does not find herself to be pretty.

1441
01:17:52.800 --> 01:17:56.000
And so now what does he need to do nail

1442
01:17:56.119 --> 01:17:59.279
that one in, nail that one over and over again.

1443
01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:01.680
Convince her that you think that she is the finest

1444
01:18:01.680 --> 01:18:04.279
thing that ever walked the planet. And it says a

1445
01:18:04.319 --> 01:18:06.840
lot that they prey on people with low self esteem,

1446
01:18:08.119 --> 01:18:09.800
you know what I'm saying, Like, how sick are you

1447
01:18:10.399 --> 01:18:13.079
to turn that against somebody? He tells Vicky that she

1448
01:18:13.199 --> 01:18:16.800
is smoking hot and that she's not ugly, and that

1449
01:18:16.840 --> 01:18:19.000
she is the finest thing that he's ever seen. Y'all,

1450
01:18:19.119 --> 01:18:21.680
Vicky was older than him, and I'm telling you she

1451
01:18:21.840 --> 01:18:28.760
is almost grandmotherly older than him. Not a lover. And

1452
01:18:28.800 --> 01:18:30.760
this goes back to that age factor I mentioned when

1453
01:18:30.760 --> 01:18:33.039
I said aging is actually a vulnerability. If you look

1454
01:18:33.079 --> 01:18:36.159
at the two, he is like twenty years older than

1455
01:18:36.439 --> 01:18:40.119
she is twenty years older than him almost. So then

1456
01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:42.359
what they're gonna do is after they kind of get

1457
01:18:42.359 --> 01:18:44.159
that flattery in and they see that they're not getting

1458
01:18:44.239 --> 01:18:46.159
checked on it, then what they're gonna do is they're

1459
01:18:46.159 --> 01:18:49.439
gonna ask that officer to break a small rule. Now

1460
01:18:49.439 --> 01:18:50.800
they're not gonna go, hey, man, will you break a

1461
01:18:50.800 --> 01:18:53.159
small rule for me? No, I'm gonna go like that.

1462
01:18:53.840 --> 01:18:58.079
It's gonna say, hey, can I catch a cigarette, or hey,

1463
01:18:58.119 --> 01:19:00.920
can I get an extra roll on my plate? They're

1464
01:19:00.920 --> 01:19:03.439
gonna ask you to break a very small and in

1465
01:19:03.600 --> 01:19:08.479
con something that seems just just not consequential. But what

1466
01:19:08.560 --> 01:19:13.039
if I told you that whenever you're looking through the

1467
01:19:13.119 --> 01:19:18.560
videotape of the jail. Over time, detectives realized that they

1468
01:19:18.600 --> 01:19:21.039
needed to bring in inmates from that jail to question

1469
01:19:21.119 --> 01:19:23.319
them because they are still trying to find where Vicky.

1470
01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:25.399
They still don't know where they are Vicky and Casey are.

1471
01:19:25.560 --> 01:19:29.000
So they go to question these inmates about the relationship

1472
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:31.279
and did they know anything about the relationship between the two,

1473
01:19:31.560 --> 01:19:34.279
and the inmates said, well, yeah, I mean Casey would

1474
01:19:34.319 --> 01:19:36.760
always order his commissary or is they call it their

1475
01:19:36.840 --> 01:19:39.680
store or their Zuzu's, and she would always show up

1476
01:19:39.720 --> 01:19:42.319
and we always got extra, We always got more than

1477
01:19:42.319 --> 01:19:45.920
what he ordered. And they're like, well, I mean, you know,

1478
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:48.840
why didn't you say something if you knew something was wrong?

1479
01:19:48.920 --> 01:19:50.399
Or they didn't say that. But I'm saying you might

1480
01:19:50.399 --> 01:19:54.199
be wondering, why wouldn't they say something if they knew Well, duh,

1481
01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:56.439
the inmates knew what was going on, But no one's

1482
01:19:56.479 --> 01:19:59.039
gonna talk because then they would lose their benefits of

1483
01:19:59.079 --> 01:20:02.159
getting that extra food and the stuff that he would

1484
01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:04.720
give them a cut of, they'd be stupid to talk.

1485
01:20:05.319 --> 01:20:08.760
They realize that they've got they've got someone that's helping

1486
01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:12.159
them out. But after that small rule is broken, an

1487
01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:14.560
extra bag of chips or an extra roll or given

1488
01:20:14.600 --> 01:20:18.359
them a cigarette, that's when the manipulation kicks in and

1489
01:20:18.399 --> 01:20:21.319
he goes full speed ahead, and the ball is already

1490
01:20:21.439 --> 01:20:25.560
rolling downhill because what's now happened is that inmates social

1491
01:20:25.600 --> 01:20:28.960
status and the jail is now raised. It's raised high

1492
01:20:29.000 --> 01:20:32.279
amongst other inmates, and they have nothing to lose, and

1493
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:34.960
the other inmates are holding them in that esteem because

1494
01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:39.079
they're benefiting from it. It's a total power move. And

1495
01:20:39.119 --> 01:20:43.039
I want you to understand that staff's seduction is an

1496
01:20:43.119 --> 01:20:45.680
absolute game of control. It has nothing to do with

1497
01:20:45.800 --> 01:20:49.520
actual care of the person that they're seducing, and it works.

1498
01:20:49.720 --> 01:20:51.760
Look where it got Casey to this point. If you

1499
01:20:51.800 --> 01:20:57.159
don't believe me the phone calls, then get really pie

1500
01:20:57.319 --> 01:21:00.880
in the sky in this manipulation. And what he starts

1501
01:21:00.960 --> 01:21:03.800
doing is this pie in the sky romanticism. And he's

1502
01:21:03.840 --> 01:21:06.239
talking about you gotta promise me you're gonna marry me

1503
01:21:06.279 --> 01:21:07.960
when I get out of here, and it better be

1504
01:21:08.000 --> 01:21:10.800
within the first year. You gotta promise me, baby, And

1505
01:21:10.840 --> 01:21:13.239
then we're gonna go get us a little a little

1506
01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:16.199
cabin out in the wilderness, and we're gonna live there together,

1507
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:18.319
and we're not gonna we're just gonna be together all

1508
01:21:18.359 --> 01:21:20.159
the time in the bed with my head laying on

1509
01:21:20.199 --> 01:21:22.840
your chess and blah blah blah, blah, fuck and blah.

1510
01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:25.840
And if you if you're not caught up in it,

1511
01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:28.800
you're like, gag me, this is disgusting. But it's just

1512
01:21:28.880 --> 01:21:31.319
too thick. But when she got caught up in it,

1513
01:21:32.119 --> 01:21:35.840
and all of this conning and grooming and then ultimate

1514
01:21:35.880 --> 01:21:43.199
manipulation over those two years snowballed. It's a train with

1515
01:21:43.359 --> 01:21:47.800
no breaks. So they're on the run. Still, this investigation

1516
01:21:47.920 --> 01:21:50.840
is in full force. More info is starting to be

1517
01:21:50.960 --> 01:21:55.960
uncovered on how extensive her planning and preparation had been.

1518
01:21:56.680 --> 01:22:02.279
They realized that just three days before the actual escape,

1519
01:22:02.439 --> 01:22:05.560
they ran a test run together and no one knew.

1520
01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:09.760
She made Casey them go get Casey told him she

1521
01:22:09.840 --> 01:22:12.239
was taking him to the courthouse again. Nobody questioned it

1522
01:22:12.279 --> 01:22:14.720
because she was the boss. They weren't gone long. They

1523
01:22:14.760 --> 01:22:17.239
were gone for a short while. She pulls right back

1524
01:22:17.239 --> 01:22:19.439
in the sallyport and she's going to bring him right

1525
01:22:19.479 --> 01:22:22.079
back inside, and they find that their test run went great,

1526
01:22:22.840 --> 01:22:25.439
But then there was a problem. It was great until

1527
01:22:25.479 --> 01:22:29.119
it wasn't. When she pulled into that sally port, there

1528
01:22:29.119 --> 01:22:32.159
happened to be another deputy who was there, and that

1529
01:22:32.319 --> 01:22:36.520
deputy was booking somebody into the jail. There was no

1530
01:22:36.640 --> 01:22:39.800
way Vicky was going to be able to bring Casey

1531
01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:42.399
White through that door number one without being noticed, but

1532
01:22:42.479 --> 01:22:45.760
number two. Them wondering why she was with him alone

1533
01:22:45.960 --> 01:22:50.359
on that trip. She could not have done it, and

1534
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:53.840
so she was. She was pretty slick on this one.

1535
01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:57.359
She just nonchalantly goes and unlocks the side door. Casey

1536
01:22:57.399 --> 01:23:00.560
walks in, She walks in. They avoid booking all together.

1537
01:23:01.079 --> 01:23:04.000
She goes ahead and unshackles them, and then an officer

1538
01:23:04.039 --> 01:23:05.600
grabs him and just takes him down the hall to

1539
01:23:05.640 --> 01:23:09.840
his cell and no one's the wiser. No one really

1540
01:23:09.840 --> 01:23:13.279
thinks about it. She was the supervisor, So they went in.

1541
01:23:13.359 --> 01:23:17.399
They audited Vicky's computer, and she was also in charge

1542
01:23:17.479 --> 01:23:20.760
of something called unclaimed and mate property, and they found

1543
01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:24.039
that she had been searching unclaimed inmate property for white

1544
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:27.159
males over six foot five, and she had been stealing

1545
01:23:27.199 --> 01:23:32.359
that property out of the jail. Obviously for Casey and

1546
01:23:33.119 --> 01:23:35.439
the colleagues. Then, now that all this is going on

1547
01:23:35.479 --> 01:23:38.399
and they're all starting to talk, they all started saying, well,

1548
01:23:38.479 --> 01:23:40.399
she had been given away a lot of items, and

1549
01:23:40.439 --> 01:23:42.960
she had recently started selling a whole bunch of stuff,

1550
01:23:42.960 --> 01:23:45.479
like she sold a tanning bed to a coworker, just

1551
01:23:45.520 --> 01:23:48.680
giving stuff away, and the friends that work there and

1552
01:23:48.720 --> 01:23:51.479
the colleagues could tell something had been way off. For

1553
01:23:51.560 --> 01:23:54.760
the last two weeks before the escape. She was snapping

1554
01:23:54.760 --> 01:23:57.840
at people. She was overly stressed. She was giving all

1555
01:23:57.840 --> 01:24:00.800
of her stuff away, and people asked her, are you okay,

1556
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.880
and she just chalked it up to stress. So it

1557
01:24:04.960 --> 01:24:07.560
was kind of all making sense. Now. Vicky and Casey

1558
01:24:07.800 --> 01:24:10.600
would remain on the run for days. They were gone

1559
01:24:10.640 --> 01:24:12.840
for days while all this is going on, and they

1560
01:24:13.000 --> 01:24:16.399
there wasn't as much as a sighting of them. Both

1561
01:24:16.399 --> 01:24:19.079
of them were now considered armed and dangerous, and this

1562
01:24:19.279 --> 01:24:22.479
was because they also realized that Vicky had purchased multiple

1563
01:24:22.479 --> 01:24:26.600
firearms and ammunition in the prior months. She even discussed

1564
01:24:26.840 --> 01:24:30.960
what guns to buy with Casey over the recorded conversations, which,

1565
01:24:30.960 --> 01:24:34.319
for the life of me is crazy, gun get guns.

1566
01:24:34.479 --> 01:24:36.439
You know, maybe that should have been flagged. I don't know.

1567
01:24:37.479 --> 01:24:40.920
So investigators really wanted to hone in on that car

1568
01:24:41.439 --> 01:24:45.600
that they saw Vicky park in that parking lot, and

1569
01:24:45.640 --> 01:24:50.840
it happened to be an orange suv, which y'all as

1570
01:24:50.960 --> 01:24:52.800
ugly as a box of rocks, and it stood out

1571
01:24:52.840 --> 01:24:54.960
like a sore thumb. Why you think we put inmates

1572
01:24:54.960 --> 01:24:57.239
in Orange? I don't know. Maybe that's some kind of

1573
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:02.600
a what's it called insight to you know, what's to happen,

1574
01:25:02.640 --> 01:25:04.920
some foreshadowing that she got the orange car for her

1575
01:25:05.159 --> 01:25:09.439
man in Orange. So no one had really seen the vehicle,

1576
01:25:09.479 --> 01:25:11.800
which they really thought someone would have seen. This thing,

1577
01:25:11.800 --> 01:25:13.840
I me is but ugly and if you drive it,

1578
01:25:13.920 --> 01:25:15.920
I take that back. It is so cute and I

1579
01:25:16.039 --> 01:25:18.000
love it and I just think it's precious and I'll

1580
01:25:18.000 --> 01:25:22.560
love it for you. But anyway, disclaimer either way, they

1581
01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:25.199
look around and no one's really able to find this car.

1582
01:25:25.520 --> 01:25:30.960
So they look around and they happen to find locally

1583
01:25:31.159 --> 01:25:34.079
a car dealer who in fact had soldier this orange

1584
01:25:34.119 --> 01:25:38.359
Ford Edge and it was very recently and so they

1585
01:25:38.359 --> 01:25:40.960
were able to identify the car, but looking for it

1586
01:25:41.039 --> 01:25:43.399
was so vital to find them. But there was no GPS,

1587
01:25:43.399 --> 01:25:45.319
there was no phone to track, there was nothing. They

1588
01:25:45.319 --> 01:25:48.800
could literally be anywhere. So more days past and they

1589
01:25:48.800 --> 01:25:52.239
can't locate the vehicle. So by day five, they're now

1590
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:55.680
offering rewards, hoping that this will generate tips. And there

1591
01:25:55.720 --> 01:25:59.159
was a ten thousand dollars reward for, you know, leading

1592
01:25:59.199 --> 01:26:01.159
to the capture of them. There's a five thousand dollars

1593
01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:03.319
reward if they if you had information that would lead

1594
01:26:03.359 --> 01:26:08.800
to getting Vicky. Nothing happened. Seven days go by, no tips,

1595
01:26:09.039 --> 01:26:12.079
even with the money. They didn't even get like like

1596
01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:14.720
fake tips, people just trying to get the money. It

1597
01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:18.000
was like nothing happened. This ugly ass orange car should

1598
01:26:18.000 --> 01:26:21.199
have been an easy to spot sore thumb driving down

1599
01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:23.920
the road, and nobody was calling in on it. But

1600
01:26:24.039 --> 01:26:27.479
eventually someone who was watching the evening news called in

1601
01:26:28.319 --> 01:26:30.680
and said, you know, I may have towed that vehicle,

1602
01:26:30.920 --> 01:26:33.800
but it was in Tennessee that I towed it. So

1603
01:26:33.880 --> 01:26:37.520
investigators immediately jumped on their horses, got over there, and

1604
01:26:37.640 --> 01:26:41.720
sure enough, that was the car. And what was ridiculous

1605
01:26:41.760 --> 01:26:45.760
about it was on the back rear panel of the car.

1606
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:50.039
You could see where they had tried to green spray

1607
01:26:50.039 --> 01:26:54.319
paint the car. Like I guess they really thought they

1608
01:26:54.359 --> 01:26:57.239
were going to spray paint a car green and people

1609
01:26:57.239 --> 01:27:02.079
wouldn't notice that either. Ridiculous. So it was cool, Okay, great,

1610
01:27:02.119 --> 01:27:03.920
now we found the orange car. But guess what, there's

1611
01:27:03.920 --> 01:27:07.279
still a week behind the guy the escapee here and VICKI.

1612
01:27:07.319 --> 01:27:10.560
They're still a week behind him. It's not getting them anywhere. Well,

1613
01:27:11.119 --> 01:27:13.720
it turns out that another man called in and said

1614
01:27:13.720 --> 01:27:15.560
he had been selling his truck just out of his

1615
01:27:15.680 --> 01:27:18.680
yard and he when he saw Casey realized, you know,

1616
01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:21.119
on the news or whatever, that he sold him this

1617
01:27:21.199 --> 01:27:23.680
blue f one fifty and he could give the ven

1618
01:27:23.760 --> 01:27:26.079
number if it would help them of the vehicle that

1619
01:27:26.119 --> 01:27:28.319
he sold. So now they at least had a new

1620
01:27:28.680 --> 01:27:32.439
vehicle to be on the lookout for. Well, another man

1621
01:27:32.479 --> 01:27:34.600
then calls in and he says, I own a car

1622
01:27:34.800 --> 01:27:39.000
wash and there's been a blue truck parked in this

1623
01:27:39.119 --> 01:27:42.119
car wash bay for days. The keys are still in

1624
01:27:42.159 --> 01:27:46.359
it and it's got a Tennessee license plate. But that

1625
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:50.640
car wash was in Indiana. So police are like, hell, yeah,

1626
01:27:50.760 --> 01:27:54.039
here we come. So they come rolling up. The problem

1627
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:56.920
was that the owner of the car wash also called

1628
01:27:56.920 --> 01:28:00.199
the media right after the police, and so when they

1629
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:02.880
get there, the media is set up. He's talking to

1630
01:28:02.920 --> 01:28:06.039
the media and they're like, oh, great, buddy, Now anything

1631
01:28:06.039 --> 01:28:07.680
we might have had that we could use in our

1632
01:28:07.680 --> 01:28:10.359
investigation that we don't want anyone to know, you're now

1633
01:28:10.399 --> 01:28:16.399
blasting it all over the TV. Awesome. If they're watching now,

1634
01:28:16.439 --> 01:28:19.760
they know where we're at and what we've caught up

1635
01:28:19.760 --> 01:28:22.560
to at this point. So they pull the video anyway

1636
01:28:22.680 --> 01:28:25.920
that they had the surveillance video, and they see Casey

1637
01:28:26.000 --> 01:28:29.199
pull up, park the car there the truck, and then

1638
01:28:29.239 --> 01:28:32.000
he gets out and then as he's getting out, you

1639
01:28:32.039 --> 01:28:34.680
see him clearly grab a gun and stick it in

1640
01:28:34.720 --> 01:28:37.279
his waistband, in the back of his waistband. Then he

1641
01:28:37.359 --> 01:28:39.800
walks to the road and there you see a gray

1642
01:28:39.920 --> 01:28:43.800
Cadillac pull up, and you can see that Vicky is

1643
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:48.000
driving that Cadillac in some of the surveillance video. So

1644
01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:50.239
they now realized, okay, now we have a fourth vehicle

1645
01:28:50.720 --> 01:28:54.239
used in this escape. So time now really was of

1646
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:56.199
the essence because they realized, well, shit, they hadn't really

1647
01:28:56.239 --> 01:28:59.479
gone that far. They could have presumptively gone clear across

1648
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.760
the country, and now there are only two states away.

1649
01:29:02.039 --> 01:29:04.399
So what they decided to do here tactically is to

1650
01:29:04.600 --> 01:29:07.039
just really infiltrate and put way more boots on the

1651
01:29:07.079 --> 01:29:09.600
ground to see if they can look for them. And

1652
01:29:09.640 --> 01:29:14.119
wouldn't you know, a deputy or a police officer that

1653
01:29:14.279 --> 01:29:18.119
was driving around happened to spot a great Cadillac backed

1654
01:29:18.159 --> 01:29:22.159
into a hotel forty one and it just met the

1655
01:29:22.199 --> 01:29:24.079
description to a t of the one that they were

1656
01:29:24.119 --> 01:29:29.199
looking for. So detectives go inside and they asked to

1657
01:29:29.239 --> 01:29:31.279
see who was checked in, and based on where it

1658
01:29:31.359 --> 01:29:33.319
was parked, they knew that it was one of three

1659
01:29:33.560 --> 01:29:36.239
or they believed it was one of three hotel rooms

1660
01:29:36.279 --> 01:29:38.159
right there. So they go in. They asked to see

1661
01:29:38.159 --> 01:29:40.680
the names of the lists of everybody that was checked in,

1662
01:29:41.000 --> 01:29:44.239
but their names weren't on there. But what they did

1663
01:29:44.279 --> 01:29:48.079
find was that a pizza had been delivered there, and

1664
01:29:48.119 --> 01:29:52.760
so they reverse engineered the pizza place called them and

1665
01:29:52.840 --> 01:29:55.560
they found the driver who delivered the pizza, asked him

1666
01:29:55.600 --> 01:29:58.720
to id who he delivered the pizza to, and sure enough,

1667
01:29:58.760 --> 01:30:02.039
he picked out Casey and Vicki, So they had the

1668
01:30:02.039 --> 01:30:04.239
positive ID for the two, and they knew that they

1669
01:30:04.279 --> 01:30:06.880
were in room one fifty, So how did they get

1670
01:30:06.880 --> 01:30:09.680
in there with with fake names? If you have to

1671
01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:12.520
you know, if more is required of that. Well, it

1672
01:30:12.520 --> 01:30:15.920
turns out they had paid a homeless man. You can't

1673
01:30:15.960 --> 01:30:18.760
make this up. They had paid a homeless man to

1674
01:30:18.880 --> 01:30:22.720
check them in for a fourteen night's stay back on

1675
01:30:22.840 --> 01:30:29.840
May third. So they're known to be armed, seriously dangerous

1676
01:30:29.840 --> 01:30:32.960
to the community, and the police are now trying to

1677
01:30:33.000 --> 01:30:35.439
set up a tactical approach of how can they minimize

1678
01:30:35.439 --> 01:30:38.399
any type of damage, how can we keep the community safe,

1679
01:30:38.479 --> 01:30:40.960
and how are we gonna get in to that hotel

1680
01:30:41.039 --> 01:30:44.640
room with no casualties. Well, while they're getting their SRT

1681
01:30:44.720 --> 01:30:47.079
team en route and they're trying to set up and

1682
01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:49.880
figure out what to do, the door opens to the

1683
01:30:49.880 --> 01:30:54.720
hotel and Vicki walks out, walks right out. She's got

1684
01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:57.119
on what looks to be like a brown a dark

1685
01:30:57.199 --> 01:31:02.640
brown long wig, and they'd get in the car. Her

1686
01:31:02.640 --> 01:31:04.199
and Casey get in the car, Casey gets in the

1687
01:31:04.279 --> 01:31:07.199
driver's seat, She gets in the passenger seat, and the

1688
01:31:07.239 --> 01:31:09.560
car takes off. So obviously the police are gonna put

1689
01:31:09.560 --> 01:31:11.760
a tail on the car, so they start following it.

1690
01:31:12.479 --> 01:31:16.680
Very quickly, Casey and Vicky realize that they're being followed,

1691
01:31:16.720 --> 01:31:18.600
and from as soon as they figured out that they

1692
01:31:18.640 --> 01:31:22.279
were being followed, it turned into an all out high

1693
01:31:22.439 --> 01:31:28.079
speed chase, flying down roads, they're flying through parking lots,

1694
01:31:28.199 --> 01:31:30.640
they're jumping through grass. But it was like they were

1695
01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.159
kind of going in like a square pattern. It was weird.

1696
01:31:33.199 --> 01:31:34.840
It wasn't like they were actually trying to get anywhere.

1697
01:31:34.880 --> 01:31:38.000
Almost like when you sometimes in chases, you can tell

1698
01:31:38.039 --> 01:31:40.239
whenever a suspect is wanting to dump the car and

1699
01:31:40.840 --> 01:31:43.199
maybe jumping run because like they slow down and then

1700
01:31:43.199 --> 01:31:45.680
they'll like bail out, or if they slow down then

1701
01:31:45.720 --> 01:31:47.600
they speed back up. There they're kind of second guess

1702
01:31:47.600 --> 01:31:50.239
and what's going on. Well, while the high speed chase

1703
01:31:50.319 --> 01:31:52.640
is going on and there's cars everywhere and they're chasing

1704
01:31:52.720 --> 01:31:56.960
back and forth, Vicky accidentally calls nine to one one

1705
01:31:57.479 --> 01:31:59.880
on her phone. She does not have any clue that

1706
01:31:59.880 --> 01:32:02.079
she's on the phone with nine one one, and you

1707
01:32:02.119 --> 01:32:07.039
can hear her screaming, Casey, stop, Casey, stop the car, Casey.

1708
01:32:07.640 --> 01:32:10.319
And so the reason she's screaming stopped the car is

1709
01:32:10.399 --> 01:32:13.680
cause the police are now ramming that Cadillac trying to

1710
01:32:13.720 --> 01:32:16.640
stop it like a pit maneuver. They're ramming the car now,

1711
01:32:16.920 --> 01:32:19.000
trying to get that vehicle to stop going forward so

1712
01:32:19.079 --> 01:32:22.760
they cannot pose any risk further to the community. So

1713
01:32:24.039 --> 01:32:26.760
Vicky then starts going the airbags are gonna go off,

1714
01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:29.119
They're gonna kill us. We're gonna We're gonna die. They're

1715
01:32:29.119 --> 01:32:32.319
gonna kill us. Stop, Casey Stop. And then she says,

1716
01:32:32.479 --> 01:32:35.680
we should have just stayed at the fucking hotel. She

1717
01:32:35.880 --> 01:32:40.479
was mad. So then a little bit more screaming and

1718
01:32:40.520 --> 01:32:42.359
stuff goes on, and then she says, let's just get

1719
01:32:42.359 --> 01:32:45.079
out and run. Let's just get out and run. Well,

1720
01:32:45.119 --> 01:32:47.680
as she's screaming let's just get out and run, boom,

1721
01:32:47.800 --> 01:32:51.239
they get pitted on the side. It's a good clean hit.

1722
01:32:51.640 --> 01:32:54.359
It's a black police truck that smokes them, and the

1723
01:32:54.439 --> 01:32:57.840
Cadillac goes sideways. It hits a ditch that's right there,

1724
01:32:57.920 --> 01:33:00.560
and it just flips over sideways, and it's a pretty

1725
01:33:00.600 --> 01:33:02.439
narly wreck. I mean, it's not like it just rolled

1726
01:33:02.479 --> 01:33:05.680
him over or anything like that. And so they get pitted.

1727
01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:08.359
The car rolls and on that nine one one call,

1728
01:33:08.399 --> 01:33:11.239
the operator are still listening in and you hear go

1729
01:33:11.399 --> 01:33:17.840
Casey like that and then bow a single gunshot goes off.

1730
01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:23.560
So police are now out of their vehicles. They've got

1731
01:33:23.560 --> 01:33:26.520
this car surrounded at gunpoint. They're telling them get out

1732
01:33:26.520 --> 01:33:27.720
of the car, get out of the car, get out

1733
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:29.279
of the car. They're not getting out of the car.

1734
01:33:29.880 --> 01:33:34.399
And so they approach and I think it takes balls

1735
01:33:34.399 --> 01:33:36.520
of steel for this, but they just approach the vehicle

1736
01:33:37.039 --> 01:33:39.159
and they're able to get their hands on Casey and

1737
01:33:39.199 --> 01:33:42.039
they drag his big ass out of the car. He's

1738
01:33:42.079 --> 01:33:45.039
bloody and stuff, but they get him in handcuffs. And

1739
01:33:45.079 --> 01:33:46.960
as soon as they get him in handcuffs, it's on

1740
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:51.359
body cam. He starts going, where's my wife? Where's my wife?

1741
01:33:51.720 --> 01:33:54.920
And the police are like, you know, trying to still

1742
01:33:54.920 --> 01:33:56.720
get Vicky out of the car. She's not able to

1743
01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:58.359
get out of the car, and he's just screaming how

1744
01:33:58.479 --> 01:34:00.399
is she? How is she? There was a lot of

1745
01:34:00.439 --> 01:34:03.720
blood there. She did have a head wound. She was

1746
01:34:03.800 --> 01:34:06.560
lying motionless and unresponsive when they finally were able to

1747
01:34:06.600 --> 01:34:10.359
pull her out of the car, and the firefighters and

1748
01:34:10.399 --> 01:34:13.000
the officers worked together for a while to try to

1749
01:34:13.039 --> 01:34:15.439
get her to respond, but she doesn't. So the ambulance

1750
01:34:15.439 --> 01:34:18.039
pulls up. They put her in there, and they haul

1751
01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:21.680
her off to the hospital. Status unknown. She may have

1752
01:34:21.880 --> 01:34:24.880
royally messed up, but no one wanted her to die.

1753
01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:27.079
I mean, that was not the plan here at all.

1754
01:34:27.600 --> 01:34:30.680
So he keeps asking, you know, how's my wife? How's

1755
01:34:30.720 --> 01:34:32.479
my wife? They're like, well, let you know, when we

1756
01:34:32.560 --> 01:34:35.760
find out, sit down and chill. So they end up

1757
01:34:35.760 --> 01:34:37.359
getting him in a car and they take him to

1758
01:34:37.399 --> 01:34:41.039
the hospital too. While they're searching the Cadillac, they found

1759
01:34:41.119 --> 01:34:43.920
everything that they believed would be in there. A nine

1760
01:34:44.000 --> 01:34:47.199
millimeter service weapon which happened to be Vicki's service weapon.

1761
01:34:47.720 --> 01:34:51.880
There was a forty five caliber pistol. There was a shotgun,

1762
01:34:52.279 --> 01:34:56.319
and there was even a loaded AR fifteen like style rifle.

1763
01:34:57.279 --> 01:35:00.399
There was extra ammunition. They found those wigs I told

1764
01:35:00.439 --> 01:35:06.840
you about. They found Vicky's duty belt from work and

1765
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:12.079
her handcuffs, and they also found twenty nine thousand dollars

1766
01:35:12.119 --> 01:35:16.239
in cash, a stun gun, and all of that camping

1767
01:35:16.800 --> 01:35:20.079
gear that she had been buying over the months when

1768
01:35:20.079 --> 01:35:24.479
she was grocery shopping. So Casey was hurt. It was

1769
01:35:24.520 --> 01:35:26.239
his left ear was hurt and he had some blood

1770
01:35:26.279 --> 01:35:27.560
on his head or whatever. So they get into the

1771
01:35:27.600 --> 01:35:29.680
hospital again. I'm watching body Camel on this one, and

1772
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.479
he keeps saying, how's my wife? How's my wife? Is

1773
01:35:32.520 --> 01:35:35.840
she dead? Is she okay? Well, the reality was Vicky

1774
01:35:36.000 --> 01:35:38.720
was alive at the hospital. Whenever she got there, she

1775
01:35:38.800 --> 01:35:40.800
was breathing. They go in the id. Yep, this is

1776
01:35:40.840 --> 01:35:46.640
actually Vicky. But shortly thereafter, Vicki dies. She dies as

1777
01:35:46.680 --> 01:35:51.279
a result of her injuries, and so her family gets

1778
01:35:51.279 --> 01:35:53.680
the news broken to them and their heart broken. They

1779
01:35:53.720 --> 01:35:58.199
loved their family member, obviously, and whenever the news spread

1780
01:35:58.399 --> 01:36:02.720
to the officers at the jail, obviously, the inmates found

1781
01:36:02.720 --> 01:36:06.119
out what had happened. Do you know, officers and inmates alike.

1782
01:36:06.399 --> 01:36:11.359
It was like everybody at the jail was sad. They

1783
01:36:11.399 --> 01:36:14.319
cried like together almost. I'm not saying that a kumbaya,

1784
01:36:14.479 --> 01:36:18.880
but like everybody on both sides of the job mourned,

1785
01:36:19.159 --> 01:36:22.279
mourned her death because even though she had just messed

1786
01:36:22.359 --> 01:36:25.079
up so bad, she did such good in seventeen years

1787
01:36:25.159 --> 01:36:28.840
up to that point of being a good employee up

1788
01:36:28.880 --> 01:36:31.159
into that point. She was a good friend up until

1789
01:36:31.159 --> 01:36:33.439
that point. She was good to inmates, and I don't

1790
01:36:33.479 --> 01:36:37.159
mean in an illegal way, just being kind and compassionate

1791
01:36:37.720 --> 01:36:40.319
up until the point that she crossed the line. It

1792
01:36:40.359 --> 01:36:44.359
was just simply stunning what had unfolded over the last

1793
01:36:44.399 --> 01:36:48.119
eleven days that they had been on the run. So

1794
01:36:48.159 --> 01:36:51.520
her body was sent for autopsy, and she did have

1795
01:36:51.560 --> 01:36:53.960
a gunshot. It was almost to the back of her head,

1796
01:36:54.199 --> 01:36:56.319
which was thought to be a really strange placement for

1797
01:36:56.359 --> 01:36:58.079
a suicide. You would expect it to go in the

1798
01:36:58.119 --> 01:36:59.920
mouth or at the temple, and it was almost kind

1799
01:36:59.920 --> 01:37:02.279
of towards the back of the head. And so there

1800
01:37:02.359 --> 01:37:04.680
was this short lived glimmer of hope that maybe it

1801
01:37:04.720 --> 01:37:07.159
was an accident and it went off. But when they

1802
01:37:07.199 --> 01:37:10.159
reviewed tape and audio and the nine will one call

1803
01:37:10.159 --> 01:37:11.800
on all of that, it was very clear that the

1804
01:37:11.840 --> 01:37:15.079
gun went off after the crash. It did not go

1805
01:37:15.119 --> 01:37:17.920
off during the crash, which would have been the accident.

1806
01:37:18.039 --> 01:37:22.800
It was indeed a suicide. Now I'm going to tell

1807
01:37:22.800 --> 01:37:24.039
you this, and I know there's a lot of people

1808
01:37:24.079 --> 01:37:27.920
that disagree with me, but it's my podcast. It's always

1809
01:37:27.960 --> 01:37:31.479
been my belief that Casey never loved Vicky. There's a

1810
01:37:31.560 --> 01:37:34.880
lot of people that say, oh, they really were in love,

1811
01:37:35.000 --> 01:37:37.199
and it was just, you know, they fell in love

1812
01:37:37.199 --> 01:37:40.159
blah blah blah. I think that he used Vicky to

1813
01:37:40.279 --> 01:37:43.520
his advantage. I think he conned her into believing him

1814
01:37:43.640 --> 01:37:46.640
that he loved her, and I think the sexual aspect

1815
01:37:46.720 --> 01:37:49.159
of it all was just a bonus. And I know

1816
01:37:49.199 --> 01:37:50.880
there's a lot of people that will disagree with me

1817
01:37:51.279 --> 01:37:53.880
on that statement. But I have some information that I

1818
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:55.760
don't think a lot of people know that I'm going

1819
01:37:55.800 --> 01:37:58.279
to share with you, because this is why I think

1820
01:37:58.319 --> 01:38:00.600
he didn't give a shit about her. What if I

1821
01:38:00.680 --> 01:38:06.279
told you that Casey even being at Vicky's facility to

1822
01:38:06.399 --> 01:38:12.560
begin with was part of the KHN, that his confession

1823
01:38:12.920 --> 01:38:18.079
that he made to killing Connie Ridgeway was just a

1824
01:38:18.199 --> 01:38:22.840
chess move of his in a much larger self centered

1825
01:38:22.880 --> 01:38:30.800
game and plan. Investigators from the jump did not believe

1826
01:38:32.000 --> 01:38:36.920
Casey White's confession to killing Connie Ridgeway, and the reason

1827
01:38:37.319 --> 01:38:41.159
that they didn't believe him was because his confession didn't

1828
01:38:41.199 --> 01:38:45.960
seem to match what happened. For instance, he told investigators

1829
01:38:46.159 --> 01:38:49.279
that he killed Connie he beat her with his fists,

1830
01:38:49.960 --> 01:38:54.079
when the autopsy shows that she was clearly hit with

1831
01:38:54.119 --> 01:38:57.960
a hammer multiple times and stabbed over and over and

1832
01:38:58.000 --> 01:39:01.479
over again. He never mentioned any of that. Okay, Well,

1833
01:39:01.600 --> 01:39:05.640
sure there could have been a second There could have

1834
01:39:05.680 --> 01:39:09.840
been a second accomplice there, but punches weren't what killed

1835
01:39:09.840 --> 01:39:14.800
this woman. So it just that that didn't quite add up. Okay.

1836
01:39:15.520 --> 01:39:22.720
So secondly, none of the DNA as in zero, of

1837
01:39:22.800 --> 01:39:26.319
any of the DNA at Connie Ridgeway's murder matched Casey White.

1838
01:39:27.039 --> 01:39:28.840
So you go in and do this brutal murder and

1839
01:39:28.880 --> 01:39:31.359
don't leave any DNA or the DNA that's there doesn't

1840
01:39:31.359 --> 01:39:35.520
match you. I'm not buying that either. What if I

1841
01:39:35.680 --> 01:39:44.199
also told you that that original sentence that Casey was

1842
01:39:44.239 --> 01:39:48.520
spending seventy five years in prison for before he had

1843
01:39:48.520 --> 01:39:52.079
confessed to the Connie Ridgeway murder. What if I told

1844
01:39:52.119 --> 01:39:57.359
you that Casey had gotten into an argument with an inmate,

1845
01:39:58.399 --> 01:40:03.479
and the inmate and Casey were fighting over a phone

1846
01:40:03.880 --> 01:40:07.079
that had been smuggled in to the prison. Well, Casey

1847
01:40:07.159 --> 01:40:09.239
wanted the phone, the other guy didn't want him to

1848
01:40:09.319 --> 01:40:11.880
have it, and it turns into an argument, and Casey

1849
01:40:11.960 --> 01:40:14.079
picked a fight with him and said, well, I'm gonna

1850
01:40:14.079 --> 01:40:16.880
take my six foot nine ass and I'm gonna mess

1851
01:40:16.920 --> 01:40:19.800
you up, and I'm taking the phone. And what if

1852
01:40:19.840 --> 01:40:23.560
I told you he picked the fight with the wrong inmate.

1853
01:40:24.319 --> 01:40:26.640
He thought that being the biggest guy in the room

1854
01:40:27.199 --> 01:40:29.319
was gonna make all the difference. He didn't know the

1855
01:40:29.359 --> 01:40:31.720
guy he picked on was gonna put a hit out

1856
01:40:31.760 --> 01:40:34.760
on him, which they did follow through with. Because Casey

1857
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:38.119
White had been stabbed, he'd been shanked recently, and even

1858
01:40:38.159 --> 01:40:41.960
though the shanking didn't kill him, he knew he's not stupid.

1859
01:40:42.239 --> 01:40:44.760
He knew that he was gonna die at that facility

1860
01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:49.039
if he stayed at it. So considering all of that,

1861
01:40:49.920 --> 01:40:53.079
it sure seems really convenient that he then confesses to

1862
01:40:53.159 --> 01:40:58.439
a murder that nothing adds up, knowing that it will

1863
01:40:58.439 --> 01:41:03.960
get him transferred to that another facility for his own

1864
01:41:04.039 --> 01:41:07.239
safety in his own mind, but because of legal reasons,

1865
01:41:07.279 --> 01:41:09.960
he's gonna have to go to the jurisdiction where he

1866
01:41:09.960 --> 01:41:13.399
committed them supposedly committed the Connie Ridgeway murder. He knew

1867
01:41:13.479 --> 01:41:16.279
he would get moved. And because he's a pussy and

1868
01:41:16.359 --> 01:41:19.520
he couldn't back up what he was doing threatening in

1869
01:41:19.520 --> 01:41:21.640
the jail and he found out you don't mess with

1870
01:41:21.640 --> 01:41:24.439
the top gang leader, he wanted to be moved. That

1871
01:41:24.600 --> 01:41:26.720
was not by chance that he confessed to that murder.

1872
01:41:26.800 --> 01:41:29.600
I don't believe it for a second. I think that

1873
01:41:29.600 --> 01:41:32.880
that was a tactical move on his behalf. So then

1874
01:41:33.119 --> 01:41:36.279
he was transferred to Vicky's facility, and what do you know,

1875
01:41:36.800 --> 01:41:39.720
once he got to Vicky's facility, he escaped with a

1876
01:41:39.760 --> 01:41:43.880
so called lover, a woman twenty years his senior with

1877
01:41:44.079 --> 01:41:47.880
low self esteem who was lonely, and well, it just

1878
01:41:47.920 --> 01:41:51.840
so happens. What a kowinky deck that she's a supervisor

1879
01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:55.000
who has the ability to move him in and out

1880
01:41:55.000 --> 01:41:58.920
of a facility because of her rank, and nobody's gonna

1881
01:41:59.000 --> 01:42:03.680
question her. Sure if you believe that, good also want

1882
01:42:03.680 --> 01:42:05.279
you to trust me when I tell you that the

1883
01:42:05.279 --> 01:42:07.000
Saints are going to win the Super Bowl this year.

1884
01:42:07.279 --> 01:42:09.239
Bet the farm put all your money on him. If

1885
01:42:09.279 --> 01:42:12.319
you believe for a second that that's all coincidence, Sorry,

1886
01:42:12.359 --> 01:42:16.520
I cannot help you. This was a huge game, huge

1887
01:42:16.880 --> 01:42:20.640
and he played it perfectly. So once Casey was back

1888
01:42:20.640 --> 01:42:24.640
in custody and Vicky was dead, the police asked Casey

1889
01:42:24.680 --> 01:42:27.680
what was your plan if and when you were to

1890
01:42:27.680 --> 01:42:29.920
be caught? And he says that they were planning to

1891
01:42:29.920 --> 01:42:32.000
get in a big old shootout like Bonnie and Clyde.

1892
01:42:32.000 --> 01:42:33.800
They were going to be in this big shootout, But

1893
01:42:33.840 --> 01:42:35.920
it doesn't sound that way. On the nine one one call,

1894
01:42:36.560 --> 01:42:39.520
Vicky sounds to me like she is in over her head.

1895
01:42:39.760 --> 01:42:42.159
She's frantic, and she's scared out of her mind because

1896
01:42:42.199 --> 01:42:45.920
she has messed up royally. But a shootout, I don't know.

1897
01:42:46.680 --> 01:42:49.880
It just doesn't sound like what's going on in the car.

1898
01:42:50.960 --> 01:42:54.039
Casey also said that he considered Vicky his wife. He

1899
01:42:54.119 --> 01:42:55.960
kept asking about it, and so they're like, well, Vicky,

1900
01:42:55.960 --> 01:42:58.079
what in your wife? Why do you call your wife?

1901
01:42:58.079 --> 01:43:01.520
And he says, well, you were married by my faith

1902
01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:04.920
and by my personal laws. And my answer to that

1903
01:43:05.039 --> 01:43:09.399
is exactly You're exactly right. You have done what you

1904
01:43:09.439 --> 01:43:13.199
have wanted to do your entire life, with total disregard

1905
01:43:13.239 --> 01:43:16.800
for the actual laws and safety and care of other people.

1906
01:43:17.199 --> 01:43:20.159
It's under your laws, your personal laws, which are the

1907
01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:23.920
only ones that apparently you have any loyalty to or

1908
01:43:23.960 --> 01:43:27.399
belief in. You're governed by your own set of rules

1909
01:43:27.399 --> 01:43:31.880
in your own mind, Casey White, of course, and this

1910
01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:36.079
faith that you speak of, she was your wife through

1911
01:43:36.159 --> 01:43:40.439
your faith. Where was your almighty faith and your righteousness

1912
01:43:40.520 --> 01:43:44.159
when you damn near killed your ex girlfriend and then

1913
01:43:44.199 --> 01:43:46.640
when you put a gun in a man's face when

1914
01:43:46.680 --> 01:43:49.199
you stole his car, or when you shot that mother

1915
01:43:49.359 --> 01:43:51.239
in front of her family in the vehicle that was

1916
01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:54.239
trying to get away from you. Where was your faith? Then?

1917
01:43:56.159 --> 01:43:59.600
Don't you dare use faith? Don't you dare? Don't you

1918
01:43:59.640 --> 01:44:05.199
dare to that? To us, it's sick. And then you

1919
01:44:05.279 --> 01:44:09.479
maybe murdered Connie Ridgeway. Where was your faith whenever you

1920
01:44:09.479 --> 01:44:12.000
were making that bullshit up? Because let me tell you something,

1921
01:44:12.279 --> 01:44:15.800
you have, Casey White, no legitimate faith, you have no

1922
01:44:16.119 --> 01:44:20.199
moral compass, and you're gonna do anything to anyone to

1923
01:44:20.279 --> 01:44:24.760
benefit yourself. He never loved Vicki. He manipulated her and

1924
01:44:24.760 --> 01:44:26.920
he used her for all that she was worth, and

1925
01:44:27.000 --> 01:44:29.680
unfortunately she fell for it, and she paid for it

1926
01:44:29.680 --> 01:44:33.560
with her life, and she also betrayed everyone who genuinely

1927
01:44:33.560 --> 01:44:37.439
did love her in the process. So Casey White was

1928
01:44:37.520 --> 01:44:40.600
returned behind bars in Alabama. They charged him with fell

1929
01:44:40.640 --> 01:44:43.640
any murder because of his role in Vicky White's death,

1930
01:44:43.880 --> 01:44:46.920
as well as he got an escape in the first degree,

1931
01:44:47.039 --> 01:44:51.680
and he was convicted and given an additional life sentence,

1932
01:44:51.960 --> 01:44:54.000
which they added to the seventy five years that he

1933
01:44:54.079 --> 01:44:59.880
was already being, you know, incarcerated for he's not only

1934
01:45:00.279 --> 01:45:03.920
now away from the danger of that first prison gang member,

1935
01:45:04.039 --> 01:45:06.439
you know, whenever they wanted to hurt him, but he

1936
01:45:06.479 --> 01:45:09.479
then moved and he got special privileges as a result

1937
01:45:09.520 --> 01:45:11.880
of manipulation of Vicky for years at the jail, so

1938
01:45:11.920 --> 01:45:13.800
he got away from the bad guy he's scared of.

1939
01:45:14.039 --> 01:45:17.760
He then manipulates and gets special privileges for years from Vicky.

1940
01:45:18.520 --> 01:45:21.000
And then he got out and he enjoyed his freedom

1941
01:45:21.079 --> 01:45:24.079
and his travel for eleven days. And then the cherry

1942
01:45:24.119 --> 01:45:29.520
on top was that when he was set to stand

1943
01:45:29.560 --> 01:45:32.640
trial for the Connie Ridgeway murder, you know, the one

1944
01:45:32.680 --> 01:45:36.840
he confessed to doing, he won on that. Let me

1945
01:45:36.880 --> 01:45:39.760
tell you how he won because as usual, he came

1946
01:45:39.800 --> 01:45:43.000
out on top in this instance too, because he decided

1947
01:45:43.439 --> 01:45:47.880
after he was recaptured that he was gonna recant his confession.

1948
01:45:49.239 --> 01:45:52.800
That's right now, he says he didn't kill Connie Ridgeway

1949
01:45:53.760 --> 01:45:56.800
after he failed to escape and get away from the jail,

1950
01:45:57.039 --> 01:46:01.800
and the prosecutors dropped the case against him just two

1951
01:46:01.840 --> 01:46:06.760
weeks before he was supposed to go to trial. So

1952
01:46:06.920 --> 01:46:12.000
Vicki's dead and her reputation is destroyed. Connie Ridgeway is

1953
01:46:12.039 --> 01:46:14.840
dead and her family was drug through the ringer with

1954
01:46:14.960 --> 01:46:17.319
now no closure because you lied and said you killed

1955
01:46:17.319 --> 01:46:20.399
somebody you didn't kill. You shot a mother in front

1956
01:46:20.439 --> 01:46:26.119
of her family, and you damn near killed your ex girlfriend. Wow.

1957
01:46:27.640 --> 01:46:31.840
And Casey White is still sitting in prison playing his games.

1958
01:46:32.399 --> 01:46:36.000
And I don't understand how men like Casey always seem

1959
01:46:36.079 --> 01:46:40.560
to pull women, but they do. I've always been told

1960
01:46:40.760 --> 01:46:43.880
the key to being attractive is believing in yourself, which

1961
01:46:43.880 --> 01:46:45.920
I guess makes sense because all I can tell you

1962
01:46:46.079 --> 01:46:49.399
is Casey White definitely succeeds in putting the con in

1963
01:46:49.479 --> 01:46:50.079
confidence