The Manipulation of Vicki White

0:06 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's kJ here for another episode. What do you do when?

1:02 How is your week going? I hope it's going well. I have worked really, really hard on this episode, and I'm pretty stoked to tell it. Sometimes, you know, you write your notes and you're like, damn, I can't wait to tell this one, and I'm ready. I'm ready for this one, okay, because I have a lot of insight into this case. So first I'll start with the fact that working in prison at a lot of people ask me about what was it like whenever you worked in prison. So, if you're new to the show, I worked at Angola. It's Louisiana's largest maximum Security penitentiary. It's all male maximum facility, and to be honest, I'm I'm a shoot straight. I loved it. I absolutely loved working in the prison. I liked the I liked everything about it. I liked being able to be walking around and be out and about.

1:47 I liked working with the inmates, really liked. You're not supposed to really know. I guess what they do. But part of my job was that I saw their jackets or their their files or records, and neat, you know, it's neat to get to read through what people do. And sometimes I was, Okay, this is gonna sound weird. It's not you know how people get like celebrity struck or whatever. It wasn't that. But sometimes, you know, these fools come up talking to and you're like, damn, I said, dude to us all in the news, didn't you cut your wife in half? Like it's you wouldn't say that, obviously, but it's just like sometimes you're like, man, these people are real, Like these stories are real. It's insane, and certainly it's not for everybody. It's a it's a job that has its ups, but it also has its downs.

2:28 And it just was something that worked for me personally, and I kind of like to liken it to working for the circus, okay, because there's lots of scary animals there, and they all have the potential at any point in time to do unimaginable damage. But in the confinement of the ring, you know, and with a well established set of rules and regulations, those animals can be tamed within reason. And it's kind of that's kind of like what prison was like. You know, when when people try to domesticate wild animals, it's often not recommended and when you get down too, and it's because they can turn on you in a second. And that's what prison was like. You know, they can be nice to you one minute and then the next minute things can go really really bad. But something that's always impressed into your mind whenever you first start training, you know, to work beyond the prison walls and inside the beast, if you will, is that you cannot let these people get close to you. And this goes for not only physical proximity, but also emotional proximity as well. But the thing is, you know, we're all human, and if you are human, that's something that you really do have to work at it is a skill set to be able to not be impacted emotionally by other people.

3:47 I think if you're normal, at least that happens. And I came across inmates in my time in prison that I really liked as people that I got along great with, but I knew that there had to be aligne I very very clearly drawn in the sand so that there wouldn't be the opportunity for there to be an emotional connection with these people. And by emotional understand I don't mean sexually, I mean just totality of some people you just get along with. Some people, you like their personalities. Some people are funny and you just you like them. But the reality is they're behind bars for a reason, and you have to do your job. You have to remain professional, and you have to be aware of that boundary.

4:28 Even though it seems clear, you know, it's nothing that you can't see through. It's nothing that's going to actually stop you sometimes and your decision making can be effected on small levels which build to greater issues when an officer and an inmate cross that line. So something as simple as giving extra food on a tray could be indicative of special privilege that's being given to an inmate, and that can cause just a mintse amount I guess of problems on a whole bunch of fronts, and I'll get to that later. But you have to stay vigilant. You have to be aware of what you're doing. And you also need to realize that if you are not a criminal and you don't think like a criminal, then it's not always obvious whenever a criminal has underlying motives.

5:19 And so in that regard, it's tough. The job is tough. So today's episode is one that made national news and you may be familiar with it. But I wanted to tell the story because I have some personal insight and I have experience behind bars, and I wanted to be able to I guess impart that on you in this story. So I want to start with the fact that a detention center and a prison are not necessarily the same thing. So people seem to intertwine jail in prison all the time, like, oh, buddy, you going to jail, you go in to prison. Well, you know, if you get a you know, in a car wreck and you mess up somebody's property I don't know, or something. I mean, if you go to jail, You're not going to be their long term. It's pre trial.

6:05 It's not a long term facility. Prison is a long term facility. That's overall. I know we have some jails or detention centers that they might hold people long term, but I want to just make sure you have that distinction for the most part in your mind. Jail is pre trial, short or short term sentencing, like you know, five years or something, and then prison is certainly going to be a longer term sentence. That's your murder, rape, robbery, sexual assault, stuff like that. Well, Vicky White was fifty six years old and she worked as the director for the Lauderdale County Detention Center. And like I told you, detention centers are usually pre trial or that short term incarceration in prison is going to be a long term sentence. But the Lauderdale County Sheriff's Office does consider itself a long term detention facility. I looked it up because I was kind of interested in some things that went on in this case and why these inmates would have been there.

6:56 So they do house roughly two hundred and ninety inmates, and the agency operates. They do three shifts per day. They've got fifteen officers on a shift and they cover a total of twelve pods. They have one hundred and forty four holding cells. Real quick, a pod is kind of like a I'm gonna say dorm, but prisons are really bigger in dorms. But a pod is just like a you know, a room with a whole bunch of bunk beds or beds or whatever in it. Holding cells are actually cells where people are put into them and there's bars in front of them, and then they have these special need cells. They have a medical cell and a suicide prevention cell. Those are kind of like there's no furniture or anything in there, no bonk, nothing they can hurt themselves in. There's like a hole in the ground, there's no toilet, there's nothing, and they put a what they call like a turtle suit on them, which is a tear away or a velcrow away type output, so they can't hang themseelves from it if they're feeling suicidal.

7:51 All that kind of jazz. The fact of the matter is that jails and prisons, as far as I'm concerned, they maintain control because the inmates allow it. And I know some people might screw their face up at that and say, wait what, But I want to explain this to you. Inmates usually dramatically outweigh or outnumber how many officers are actually on staff. So you just got to ask yourself, you've got a whole bunch of people who do bad things that are being controlled by just a few officers in an area. Do you do you really think that if you know fifty inmates bucked up, you really think that the officers are gonna win against that, because I'm gonna tell you they're not. Overall, we're gonna win, but we're not gonna win in the moment. So you know, order and all of that really is because if inmates behave, then we've got order. And there's a whole lot more to that, but I'm gonna give I'm gonna give that there and say that they behave because they want to behave.

8:53 But if they want to buck up and tear down the whole facility, they could It could happen. So rules, regulations, combined with policy and procedure and protocols, they're made and they have to be followed to a t. And it matters to a t that you follow the rules and enforcement of the rules is the difference between chaos and order. So lucky for the Lauderdale Sheriff's Office, they had an excellent supervisor of their detention center, and this was that Vicky White. A little bit about Vicky. She was fifty six. She was a long time employee of the Lauderdale County Detention Center. By long time, I mean she had been there seventeen years. And the entire seventeen years that she was there, she was continually promoted. All the time. She was the job, she did the job, and over those years of those promotions, she eventually would achieve the rank of assistant director of the facility. I mean she was a top dog. So all accounts of people that knew VICKI say that when I'd say she was the job, it literally meant that if you thought of this facility, Vicky was at the forefront of your mind. She ran that joint. She was voted Employee of the Year five times, and she was even set to receive that award again for the sixth time at the time that this case starts taking place. She was good to her co workers,

10:23 She was kind, and she was friendly to everybody that included the inmates. The inmates would tell you that Vicky was kind to them, she was good to them. She did her job, but she was good to them, and there's a lot of respect that comes with that. But most of all, the thing people liked the most about Vicky was that she was a rule follower. And you knew that if it said to jump, you were going to jump. And if it said how high, she was going to tell you how high. And that's how we were going to do it, because that's how it was done. That is the rules. If the term model employee had a photo in the dictionary, Vicky's picture would have been there. She stood just at five foot five, She was an inch taller than me, and she weighed about one hundred and fifty pounds so. And when you're looking at her pictures, she had bright, bright white teeth, bored straight bleach blonde hair that went just past her shoulders, and then she did have bangs and they were almost like blunt cut.

11:19 They went straight across her forehead, across her eyebrows. She wasn't one that wore a ton of makeup. She wasn't that type of lady. And she spoke with a twang and what I mean by And I know I speak with a twang too, especially when I get to telling the story. But she said things instead of the word like, she'd say light lack like that lack. And instead of saying, you know, I want something, she'd say I want something. And if someone did something, she'd say they did. She had this twang about her and it was a little bit of a whine to her voice tea when she talked. So she wasn't married, and although she did, she did have an ex. Okay, his name was Tommy, and they had gotten married in two thousand and two before they would divorce in two thousand and six. They weren't married long, but Tommy just became a whole lot for her to handle because he started suffering from alcohol and drug abuse, and Vicky was like, yeah, I'm not doing this. So they did divorce, but they were made really, really good friends all the way until he died. When he died in twenty twenty two, she it hurt for her. He died.

12:26 He was fighting Parkinson's disease, and it was I would say it was tough for her, you know, she adored him, but she just could not be his wife. They didn't have any children together, and so Vicky didn't have any kids. But she was loved by her parents. She was very close with her parents. She had two brothers, and she had this young nephew that she just absolutely adored. Now, Vicky had actually gotten engaged to a second guy after she divorced her husband. The second guy's name was Brian Garner, but that didn't go well, only because they got engaged after dating for a while and then he wasn't wearing his seatbelt and got ejected from his truck in a single car accident and he just died there. And it just didn't seem like no matter what Vicky did, man, she couldn't get a guy that would either act right or she'd find a guy that she loved and then he got killed and so it just didn't go as planned.

13:19 I guess she'd say she never really spoke about it though, with her coworkers or anybody else. It just wasn't something that she wanted to talk about, and obviously people are going to bring it up, so it not much really was said about it, and people didn't know a whole lot about you know, how she felt about that. But ever since she divorced her husband, and then her fiance had died. She was just a single woman. She was devoted to her job, and she was devoted to her dog, and she was a relatively happy woman. She was used to dealing with the inmates too, and she was well aware that you have to keep your head on a swivel at all times. This was not her first rodeo, and even that tiniest misstep or rule break, like I told you, can lead to disastrous consequences. And considering the seriousness of the crimes that a lot of these incarcerated people had been accused of and or convicted of, following all procedures is a matter of everyone's safety. It's not just because you're you know, a stick in the mud or that you're uptight. Everyone's safety is on the line if everybody is not following the rules. So case in point is this frequent flyer of a criminal that was always in and out of the justice system named Casey White.

14:29 That he was not related to Vicky White. They just happened to have the same last name. And Casey White has been a menace to society probably since he started walking. He was a menace to society a total fuck up and an absolute dangerous individual, if you want me to put it nicely, So back at the age of around thirty nine years old, I want you to know this man stood a ginormous six foot nine inches and he weighed about three hundred pounds. This guy was the size of the average bear. And by the way, I did actually look that statement up, because then I got curious, because I'm adhd. I went to britannica dot com and the black bear adults range from four point three feet to six point two feet high and they weigh up to three hundred pounds. So I am telling you the truth, and I tell you this fucker stood bigger than the average bear. He's huge, enormous, and even as big as he was, I still want to also tell you that his most prominent feature when I'm looking at him are his ears. This dude could give Dumbo a run for his money. This dude's got some friaking ears on him.

15:42 So obviously his looks are going to change through time. But for the most part, his look usually consisted of dark brown hair and it was either cut short or it was shaved, and he usually had a beard or a goatee. Going on. He did usually keep some facial hair. People who came in contact with him said that they would describe him as charming and looking at his pictures, I don't get it, but then again, you know how that is. Some people aren't that attractive, and then they open their mouth and you're like, oh, I get it. I get why people really like them. I really like him. And people said he was charming. He was tatted up. He has tats on his arms, he has tats on his chest. He was a tatted up dude. He certainly isn't Prince charming or anything to call home about. But the thing here was that he had a mouthpiece on him.

16:26 He could talk, He could talk to anybody, and he was just a charming guy. Even the officers said that usually not always, but usually he was pleasant and respectful, that was the norm. But he could be an asshole when he wanted to be, and a big one at that. And that's why when you're working behind bars, or you're behind bars and you're dealing with incarcerated people, it matters the way you talk to people. There's always somebody out there that will humble you. I don't care how big of a bad ass you are. There's always someone out there that will humble you. And to get respect from these types of people, you have to give it. This doesn't mean be a pushover. It just means you treat people the way you would want to be treated. So Casey was being transferred to Vicky's facility because he was going to be facing charges for a murder for hire that he claimed that he had committed. So this case involved a woman named Connie Ridgeway and this took place back on October twenty third of twenty fifteen. Now, Miss Connie lived in Rogersville, Alabama, which was described as a small town. And because it was a small town at the time, I don't know the growth since then, but Miss Connie was known around town and her essence was that she was a woman of integrity. That's how people saw her. She was a good lady and a happy lady, a smiling one, just happy to be around and love to help people. She was a helper in any way that she could. She was described as your typical, sweet,

18:00 mild bannered Christian Southern lady, that southern bell that we have heard people referred to as. She was in her late fifties, and had short, dirty blonde hair. She was a widow her husband. His name was Tommy, just like Vicky White's. But her husband's name was Tommy, and he had passed away. And she had even lost her beloved pet, Rambo, her dog that she loved so much, so she did have some loss there. But she had two sons. Their names were Austin and Cameron. Austin and Cameron were all about their mama. They were always checking on their mama. They loved her and they were tight knit with her. And that's why it was odd whenever she stopped answering phone calls one day and they're like, you know, what's up with mama? So I'll tell you this. My details on this case are sparse because it's never been completely adjudicated, which I'll get to in a little bit, But basically, there was a case that Miss Connie was expected to be testifying as a witness inn and it evolved around a credit card fraud case. I don't know if she was the victim or if she just knew somebody or what was going on, but she was supposed to be testifying as a witness in this credit card fraud case and at the same time of this upcoming testimony she was supposed to give, she was also allowing a man to live with her temporarily until he got back on his feet. She was known as the type of woman that would open her doors to people that were in need.

19:30 So she's supposed to be testifying and she's got this guy living in her house. Well, the situation with the man that was staying there seemed to sour pretty quickly, and she eventually had to tell him to go. She kicked him out. It's not working, you gotta go. And then just a few days later, she stopped answering her phone, so police were asked to show up and come do a welfare check. She lived at the metaland Apartments, and this was after her neighbor was really concerned too. She's just not answering the door. So the police came. They made entry into the apartment because there was no answer at the door, and so they walked in calling her name, Miss Connie, Miss Connie, and as they rounded the corner to the living room, they found Miss Connie's body laying there on her living room floor. And she had obviously been in a tremendous fight that she had lost the investigators when they were looking at the scene and looking her over, believed that there were two weapons used to kill her. One of them they identified would have been a hammer, and they found the hammer at the scene.

20:32 The other one they believed to be some type of knife because she had stab wounds all over her, So she went and they sent her for an autopsy. And this autopsy really showed the brutality of what this lady suffered because she had a barrage of injuries. She had stab wounds to her face, her neck, her hands. The doctor identified that she had multiple fractures to her head and her injuries also extended down onto her hands and her fingers, and looking it over, there were smashing wounds on her hands and all over the place too, And so that was as a result of that hammer, according to the medical examiner. And whoever did this to her, y'all, it was vicious. She's fifty six years old. This was vicious, vicious, and it was brutal, and it seems personal, very very personal.

21:26 And there were no leads on this case, like none until Casey White wrote a letter to a detective in June of twenty twenty saying he had information about the murder. So obviously they want to know what's up and when they go and they question him about his letter and what all he may have known. Casey then full on admitted and gave a confession to killing miss Connie, And when asked, well, why did you kill her, he said, well, it was a hit. You know, I was hired to be a hit man. It was a hit for hire. So Casey, based on this confession, he was charged and he was set to be prosecuted for the murder of Miss Connie Ridgeway. Now he's certainly capable and believed to be, you know, in the realm of possibility for him to do this type of atrocity, And you might be wondering, well, wait a minute, you know, why did he write a letter to the detective rather than just driving up to the sheriff's office or making a phone call. Why did he write him a letter? Well, I'm here to tell you he couldn't do any of those things. He couldn't drive up there, and he couldn't make a phone call because he was already in jail. He was in jail already when he confessed to the murder of Miss Connie Ridgeway.

22:38 So why was he there? Great question? I want to answer that for you. Well, it turns out that he had a very long history, like I mentioned, of being a dangerous piece of shit. He was already convicted of another crime spree, and this crime spree was so serious he was set to spend seventy five years in prison for what he did. So Casey had been out of jail since his teens, and the sheriff in Limestone County was very familiar with Casey, like knew him on a first name basis. He was that much of a frequent flyer to the jail system, and he was known to have girlfriends. But all of these relationships seemed volatile, and Casey was always in some type of trouble. Well, in this case, he had broken into his girlfriend's home and I don't know if they were fighting beforehand or what.

23:28 Didn't really dig that far into it. I just know they were in a fight. It turned into a serious altercation with her, and he pulls out a gun and starts shooting at his girlfriend, you know, the girl he loves. Okay, so he starts shooting at her, and then he also goes up to her dog kills her dog, and then after he's shooting at her, and this fight goes buck wild and he goes and he murders the dog. He then storms over to the next door neighbor's house of his girlfriend, and when the next door neighbor answers the door, he shoves a gun in the neighbor's face and demands that he gives him the keys to his car, which he obviously went ahead and turned those over to him. So he stole the car and he took off in it. Eventually, he decided to stop at a rest stop because he decided he needed to change cars so that no one would know what car he was driving. So when he was at the rest stop, he then tried to hijack a car that had a family in it, but instead of stopping and giving him the car, the dad sped off and drove away to get away from him. Well, rather than just letting that go and go for another car, no, Casey then decides to pull his weapon out and starts firing into the back of the window of the family that's trying to escape, and sure enough, he shot the mom and hurt her extensively in the moment because she was bleeding everywhere, and she shot just because they didn't want to be carjack So at that point he took off and he went to a nearby gas station where he again he's a guy of habit here, he puts his gun in another man's face and he demanded, I

25:01 want your car, and I want it now. The man gave up the car, so he tore off in that car and he goes flying onto the Interstate to make his give his getaway, but the reality was that a BOLO had already been issued for that car. This happened pretty quickly, and a deputy that was on the interstate found him right there and a high speed chase ensued. Casey's driving along. I don't quite understand how he's driving straight and loses control, but if anybody could do it, it's this guy. I watched parts of the dash cam video. So he's driving along and then all of a sudden he loses control of the vehicle. It ends up veering off to the right, crashes out, and he's on the side of the road, you know where. He's unable to move anymore. So the deputies jump out and they've got him at gunpoint because they know these armed and dangerous, and they couldn't just go swarm the car. So this turns into negotiation efforts because they're trying to get him to put down the gun so that they could take him into custody. Well, he's hooting and holler and he's not going to give up, and he wants the sheriff.

25:59 He wants to talk to the show, get me the sheriff. Like I told you, the sheriff knows him on a first name basis, not because he grew up with him and went to church with him, but because the dude's always up in his jail. So the sheriff did, in fact get in his car and drive down to where Casey was on the side of the road crashed out. When the sheriff gets there, he can see Casey and Casey's got not one, but two guns and he's got him both pointed at either side of his temple. And the Sheriff's like, Casey, put the gun down, and I love it because he's kind of a countryman. Casey put the gun down. And Casey's like, no, Sheriff, I can't do it. Call my mama. Call my mama and tell her I love her and he's doing this whole dramatic thing, and the Sheriff's like, casey, ain't nobody calling you down, mama, put the gun down and come on, let's take you back to the jail. And then he starts hooting and hollering and all the drama, saying, y'all gonna have to shoot me. You're just gonna have to shoot me, and he's doing all this nonsense before he agrees to finally give up only if they will give him a sun drop soft drink. Yes, what I just said, a sun drop soft drink. You know that green can with the yellow circle on it. He wanted a soft drink. He went from willing to crash out and kill himself to call my mama till we're gonna have a shootout, to well, if you'll just give me a cold drink, everything will be good. And the Sheriff's like, you want a sun drop? Yeah, if you give me a sun drop, I'll I'll give up.

27:26 So sure shooting. Sheriff sent somebody they got him a sun drop, brought it to him. He put the guns down, and sheriff took him into custody, put him in the back of his car, and drove him back to jail. So for these shootings and this home invasion and these attempted murders and all that jazz, he had been sentenced to seventy five years in prison. So, as you can tell, case is a really lovable guy, okay, and he's just misunderstood, all right. So after all of that violence that I just listed you through, and I'm not even to the main story yet, Casey was gonna be behind bars for a really long time. And so that's whenever he then confessed to Miss Connie Ridgeway's murder, which moved him from the state prison that he was already at for that first charge of seventy five years, and they moved him from the state prison to the detention facility in Lauderdale.

28:20 This was because he was going to be indicted on Miss Connie's murder charges charges and he would have to go to court in the jurisdiction where he was going to be tried, And so that's when he was moved to the facility where Vicky White was the supervisor. So he was at the facility for a few years. And because nothing goes quickly, we know that, and he quickly got acquainted with the rules and the procedures there as well as the officers that work there, so a little insight here. Inmates study the workers constantly at the facilities they're at, and they decide and they're going to try to figure out who do they think is strong and who do they think is weak? And I promise you, I don't care how nice they are to you. They are trying to set out to prey on those weak officers.

29:06 It's not a matter of if, it's a matter of when that these things happen. And so much training goes into this. I mean, the public would not believe how much training goes into this to make sure you understand you do not want to be manipulated by these people. And the whole overall conception of what you need to be doing is a thing called being firm but fair with incarcerated people, if you are firm but always fair in your decisions, you will maintain control through professionalism. It's just how it works. You can be firm, but you can also be fair. So if the inmate thinks that you are weak, or they hone in on something that think they think is weak about you, they're gonna start doing what we would call trying you. They're gonna try you.

29:48 They're gonna tell you things like they like your perfume, or hey, have you lost Wait, so off the top, these questions seem like they're just trying to make pleasant small talk and there's nothing much to it. You know, you just y'll see each other every day and they're talking. But under the surface of this veiled comment, there is a test. They want to know when they give you that comment, will you smile and say thank you? Or will you snap back and say my weight is none of your concern. You don't have to be rude. I don't get it twisted. I'm not saying snap back and be rude. You don't have to be rude. You just have to be firm and professional. My weight is none of your concern. And when you say that back to them, that's a checkmate. They know that you're on to what they're trying to do. And they're also going to do things like maybe give you an unsolicited gift, think like a rose made out of paper. Oh look, I learned how to make this. I made it for you, or a name plate made at the hobby shop if they have one of those wherever they are at the facility for your desk maybe or something like that. It's not always obvious when things like this are happening, or if you are being manipulated by an inmate. It's not always in your face. It's very like I'm just gonna say, it's very veiled in what happens. Matter of fact, Hey, I'll give you a true story. So when I was at the prison, you know, we have clerks and all of that. I'm not going to say this inmate's name because it doesn't matter, but I had a clerk that

31:22 was working for me, and he came in one day. I was a very new officer. He came in one day and he said, look in the hobby shop, I made you this nameplate for your desk because you didn't have a name plate. And I was like, oh, okay, cool, that's cool, right, No worries appreciate it. And so I'll post pictures of the nameplate online for you too. If you are curious to see it, I'll show it to you. But I can't recall what happened afterwards, but I do know that it was a problem because no one spends their time behind bars when they could be making hobbygraph, for example, at the prison at Angola, they could be making hobby graph to sell at the rodeos. Why would you waste your time making me something and giving it to me for no reason unless you were trying to get something in return. And that was the first time it ever happened to me that someone gave me a gift.

32:08 So I'm pretty sure I wrote him up. I don't quite remember, but however it went, he should have been written up. That's been a long time ago, and I learned the lesson the hard way because he was super nice to me. Blah blah blah blah blah. Oh look, that was very nice to give me a NA nameplate. But then I don't know how much time had passed. Again, it's been a long time. But he ended up getting locked up behind something else and he turned on me like a snake, and he said things to me that were just like, oh my god, the fake fell off. The mask fell off when you realized that I was of no use to him, and he said some horrible things to me, and I will never forget that ever. So when inmates understand that you're not going to play the games with them, and that you're gonna follow the rules, one of the rules being you're not going to accept a gift from them. And I know you're about to say, well, wait, it sounds like you accepted it. You have it ill I di him throw it away, But I certainly didn't keep it as a gift. It had to be handled.

33:02 So they're going to pick up on that, and then they're less likely to try you as time goes on, when they realize they're not going to get anywhere with you. But make no mistake, if you smile or you accept any compliment from them, you have already messed up. And this is hard for people, especially people in the South, because you know, we are raised yes ma'am, no ma'am, and manners, and it's difficult when someone hands you something and is smiling at you and saying, wow, I thought of you. It really is. It's difficult to be like, I don't want it, because that's just not a personality trait I have. It's not. But if you understand the game, then you should be insulted by them trying to give it to you. So this is why there are specific protocols and procedures in place for nearly every action in a correctional institution, from handcuffing procedures to strip searches to traveling with inmates. There are procedures and policies in place that have got to be followed and they are non negotiable.

33:55 Oftentimes I found myself knowing that they're are finding there are rules in place, and I had no no idea why it was a rule, but trust there was a reason behind it, and so I had to follow that rule. So Vicky working as that supervisor there, she was more on the quiet side, but she knew those rules and if you had questions, she could answer it. If you didn't know what was happening, Vicky was your go to lady to get it handled make and you could trust that what she told you was the way it was supposed to go. So day to day activities in jails and in prisons are pretty regimented or routine and or routine. So like there's counts in the morning to make sure that all of the inmates are accounted for, Breakfast is going to be served early. Then they have call outs throughout the day for inmates that may need to go to court, or they may have medical appointments or maybe they have jobs within the facility that they have to go help out with. Then launch or chow is going to be served. The inmates have jobs that you know, they have to do food preparation or cleaning up after everybody taking the trash out. The inmates are used to those jobs so that the officers can focus on doing officer activities and not cleaning up after these people. And then they may have some downtime where they can call home, or they could go to some education classes or things like that nature, and then dinner is served and then lights are out, and that's pretty much a routine at any facility that you go to in some way. So Vicky was the supervisor and she would oversee all of these day to day activities as well as a plethora

35:25 of other responsibilities that she had. So on April twenty ninth, two thousand and two, things were no different except for the fact that Vicky had met a milestone, a pretty big one too. Vicki had announced her retirement to everybody, and she kind of dropped a bomb on them because it was a quick, abrupt like hey, I'm retiring, and nobody saw it coming. There wasn't much preparation for this, and that's somebody you've got to replace, and you would expect to give you more notice, because not everybody is easily replaced, even though jobs will tell you everyone's replaceable. But in that short notice, they decided they, being the coworkers, decided that they were going to hold a little retirement party for her. It was nothing big, It was a low key event, and everyone was pretty much like kind of amaze slash shock that the day was actually here.

36:12 Vicky wasn't coming to work anymore. She was really done. She would no longer report to the jail. She was that much of a fixture that it was just really like a moment for everyone. This would be her last day on the job, and everyone at the facility was happy, but it was bittersweet that she was going to be leaving. And they gave her hugs and they talked about her career and things that had happened. They laughed, they cried, they ate cake, and really just shared in on a very long and accomplished career that she had had. The party ended, though they didn't have all day to do this. Everyone had jobs and so everyone had to go back out and do their assignments, and that included Vicky, who had one final task to complete at her job, and that task was taking the extremely dangerous Casey White to the courthouse for a mental health evaluation. So, because of the dangers of inmate transport, usually most facilities have a policy of people not transporting alone with inmates for obvious reasons.

37:19 You don't want to be alone with somebody. Remember this, This dude's huge, Okay, So the this jail was no different. They had a policy in place, and their policy that was that all transporting of inmates requires two deputies at minimum two people need to go together at all times. That was the policy. So why are transports so dangerous? While most transports usually go down without incident, The problem is that if there is an incident, it's usually a big deal. It's a prisoner escape and officer injuries as well as the public you know, death, injuries, All of that happens they have happened during transport. So the public has really put at risk every time an offender is brought outside of the secure facility. And I did even look up a study. This was a study of New York's Police department, and in their study they found that forty percent of prisoner escapes happened during a prisoner transport.

38:11 So I know that's not an overall majority, but that's a pretty good percentage of times that they would escape from custody. And multiple officers have been killed. Lots of officers have been killed in the line of duty, and transports are a focal point of that. So two vans had already left the jail that morning, holding some pretty dangerous people, including one that had a domestic violence inbate a domestic violence conviction, and that domestic violence conviction also added strangulation, and so this was a pretty dangerous guy that was being transported. But everybody's got the capability of being dangerous. So those vans left out just a few minutes before VICKI did, and that's when Vicky instructed another officer, go get case I want you to prepare him for transport.

39:02 So this included handcuffing him as well as applying his leg shackles and really locking him down. So the officer did exactly as he was told. He went and got Casey from his cell. He took him to the booking area where he shackled him and handcuffed him. And then he cuffed him to the bench that he was seated on until it was time for him to lead for his evaluation. And that was about nine p thirty in the morning. So then Vicki comes in a little bit later. She disconnects him from the bench and then she leads him through the jail to the exterior door that leads into the sally port to take him to the courthouse. Now, if you're not familiar, you know, I want you to know what I'm talking about. But a sally port is basically a secure cage outside of the jail where inmates can be loaded into vehicles or they can be brought into the jail and taking out of the vehicles to be brought inside. But either way, it's an en caged area that cars can drive in and out of that's secure in case they get a while, hair up their ass, or they decide to run or buck up. They're not just immediately free as soon as they make it out of the door. It's kind of like the zoo. The animals are let out of their cages to go in their habitats, but there's always going to be an inner fence and an outer fence for that extra escape protection.

40:17 So you see Vicky and you see Casey go into the sally Port and they get into a regular police cruiser. It's a dark vehicle. It's got sheriff down the side like normal and large white letters, and it's equipped with lights and everything that the regular cruiser has, and they load him up. He gets to the she loads him up, he's in the back, she gets to the front, and then they drive off to head to the courthouse. So the type of evaluation that Casey was going for was a pretty big one and it was expected to take a couple hours to complete. It would not be a quick trip. So to make things easy for the officers in the jail whenever they're checking cells and trying to verify where everybody is, if an inn at that facility, specifically if an inmate was on call out like Casey was, then they would take their name tags that were on the outside of the cell doors and they would turn them sideways so that it would just be a quick visual to the officers that were making count that that inmate would not be there, and it was in fact an official reason that they were not there. And I'm assuming that meant that you wouldn't mark them on the count you were doing, but that extra number would be picked up on the other count whereever that inmate was, which would have been Vicki's count that she would have had to call in. But after what seemed like a longer time than maybe should have been necessary for that trip, officers began to worry, you know, what's taken so long?

41:43 They noticed that Casey Casey's tag had been turned a while, and they also hadn't seen Vicki in a while, and it kind of just raised a few eyebrows of what's taking so long? So an officer at the jail called to check in with her and to see what was going on, but there was no answer. Whenever she called. They fit that she was still on the trip and that you know, she was still handling her business, and so everybody else was like, well, she'll call back. When she calls back, i'll let you know what their eta is going to be. Well, by three o'clock that afternoon, Casey's tag was still sideways and Vicky wasn't back, and I don't care what happened. Vicky definitely should have been back by then. So this was pretty alarming to everybody Once they realized that they never returned from the trip to the courthouse. Everyone that knew who would have been lying too if they didn't have it in the back of their minds how dangerous Casey White was and that this really made people kind of feel sick about the situation.

42:41 So they called the sheriff, who was at another event at that time and was not nearby, and they alerted him of the situation that they hadn't returned and Vicky wasn't answering the phone. They also alerted the courthouse to say, look, are they there, and maybe Vicki's radio is not working or something. What is happening? And the courthouse immediately into an all out search for Vicky, and everybody was praying as they opened doors that they were going to find her, not only find her, but find her safe. But they ended up clearing the entire courthouse and they didn't find either one of them. They definitely weren't at the jail. Now they had an official problem on their hands. Nobody knew where they were, and so the Sheriff's office immediately issued a bolo for them and be on the lookout for So everybody was on pins and needles, waiting to hear if Vicky was okay and where was this monster that she had left with. Had he hurt her, you know, what had happened. So as the search for her continued, somebody called in and said, Hey, I think there's a sheriff's unit parked outside of this academy, you know, like the Academy sports store that was local just a little while down the road. And so officers raced over there to see if this was Vicky's police unit. And when they got there, they did confirm this was Vicky's police unit.

43:57 So they open it up to look for evidence, and you know, Vicky wasn't there. So they are sick, I know they are, and they decide to pop the trunk. So when they popped the trunk and they open it up, they all thanked God because Vicky was not inside of it. That was a bittersweet victory because if she's not there, that's good, but if she, where is she? So they start searching through the car to see if they can find any evidence or any clues, and in the back seat of that police cruiser they found a handcuff key. They also noticed that Casey's jail shoes were still on the floorboard in the back of the police unit. Now, remember Casey was big. He was bigger than big. He was huge, So there was no way that he could have crawled out of a window. It just physically wasn't possible.

44:51 He could not have bent himself in half. They just were not believing that he could have crawled out of a window. So the question became, how did he get out of the car? Did he somehow hide a key and then uncuff himself. But even if that was the case, even if he had a hidden key and he was able to uncuff himself, how did he persuade Vicky to unlock the back doors and let him out? Because this is where information matters. The units. Police units have cages between the front seat and the back seat, and so he didn't crawl over into the front seat and open the door. That didn't happen because there's a cage in between them, and Vicky had to have opened the back door.

45:32 And if you're like, well, why why couldn't he he have opened it? Well, first of all, police units are locked. They can't be opened from the inside. It's a safety mechanism of a police car. But the question then became did Vicky or excuse me, did Casey have a weapon that they didn't know about? And maybe he was threatened into kill her. I mean, you don't know what's going on. Really, They had lots of questions and no answers whatsoever. And Vicky was much smaller than Casey. If you look at a visual of them on camera in the jail, when she is standing next to him, the very top of Vicky's head butts up to the height of where his lower chest would have been, not his chest, his lower chest.

46:19 He was much bigger than her. And so the question was, you know who was with her whenever she was taking Casey to court, you know the whole two person travel rule. Who was her coworker that went with her? Well, it turned out that morning that they were running low on manpower. Everybody was busy, All the deputies were tied up in that moment, so she just decided, look, I'll just take him by myself since there's nobody that can go with me. Now, I know what you're thinking, why the hell would she do that knowing what was at risk, especially breaking a rule like that. Well, I'm gonna let you in on a little something that's not usually spoken about out and that's the fact that one of those vans that left before VICKI remember the guy I mentioned that was the domestic violence guy that had the strangulation. So he's a pretty pretty dangerous fella. He too, was taken with a single female transporting him, single female officer transporting him. So I'm just gonna go out on a limb and tell you this from what I understand here, to say that that transport rule was never broken just isn't ringing true.

47:31 And this is a pretty big red flag for any facility, just so you know, I mean, why is this rule being broken kind of flagrantly. So a deputy that's at the jail logs into the cameras to see was there anything that they might could pick up one that was a miss that morning, or maybe Casey was hiding a weapon and maybe they would notice it now you know what could have gone on. And so she searches through the tape and everything is by the book. Everything one hundred percent of it is done by the book until they get to the sally port. When they're exiting the building, Vicky was in front of Casey as they walked out of the of the door into the sally port. And to the average Joe, I know what you're saying, okay, But to me and anyone else who knows what I'm getting at, that is a huge problem. You never ever would lead an inmate, especially when you're taking outdoors outside of the facility. You would never lead an inmate from the front. When I tell you never, I mean you are a you are messing around with the with the wrong decision making at that point. You would never ever escort somebody that way. You would escort somebody from behind and in the trained escort position. And that trained escort position is gonna tell you number one, you would never be directly in front of an inmate. And it's definitely

49:02 not good procedure and it's certainly not tactically sound to be directly behind an inmate whenever you're escorting them. This position, if you do that gives you no visual of this six foot nine monster that is behind you. All he has to do, even if he is handcuffed, all he has to do is walk up on Vicki and put his arms out over her head, remember how much bigger he is, and then just chokerr pull in and just choke the ever living life out of her, not to mention a billion other things that he could do. Why would you be in front of him, Vicky, You ought to know better. You've been on the job for seventeen years and you're just gonna walk in front of him.

49:45 He could have cracked you in the head with the cuffs, he could have attacked you, He could have done a billion things to you, and it just wasn't the right thing to do. So it was like, has she become overly complacent? And why now? Why on the last day of the day job. I mean, it was like the worst time to ever make a screw up of this potential on your last day at work. And it sure really seemed that way that she was not making good decisions. She traveled alone with him, and she really seemed nonchalant in his presence. When you were watching the end of that video, it just raised some eyebrows of her lack of concern. So as tough as it was, as they're reviewing this, her work family was realizing something that before now really seemed impossible, and that was the fact that a lot of these officers were starting to feel a pain that felt a whole lot like this may have some betrayal to it, but there was no certainty to that.

50:49 But it just seemed so out of character for her to let him walk behind her. So the police then descended upon Vicki's home to go look for answers and maybe see if she was there, and so they approached the house weapons drawn, and as they're going up to the house looking for her, Vicky's mom came walking up from the yard and she seems really shocked. She's seeing people she knows with their guns drawn on the house, and so she's like, guys, what's going on, what's going on? And they explain, all right, this is bad, but Vicky's missing and she's with an extremely dangerous felon and we're not sure why. We don't know what's happened, and we're not even one hundred percent sure that she might not be involved in it. We just can't figure out what's going on at all. And so her mother is just wide eyed, literally horrified at what she's being told by these officers. And when Casey's name was mentioned to her, the name Casey White, her mom was legitimately flabbergasted. Vicky had never mentioned an inmate to her named Casey White.

51:50 She'd never heard that name before. This was like at a left field and so it scared her. Vicky didn't mention this guy. She didn't. This is horrible. Dangerous guys got her and if she if you're trying to say she was willing, this is completely out of character for what's been going on. Her mom explained, Look, we have a routine. You know, every day Vicky goes to work, she works at the jail, and then she comes home and we eat dinner together, and we do that every day. And you know, they're like, well, did you speak to her today? You have you spoken to her since she went to work, and she had said absolutely and everything was absolutely normal, nothing was amiss. They said, okay, well what happened? She said, well, we spoke on the phone that morning. I had to talk to her because her dog is sick and I wanted to kind of check in and make sure everything was okay with the dog.

52:37 And then she said I did text her later on that afternoon about the fact that don't worry, I'm going to be the one that's cooking supper. But VICKI never answered that text. But of course she didn't answer that text. You're telling me that she's been taken. So police say, all right, look, can we go search the home? Can we go in the house and search? And her mom's like, absolutely, you can go in. So if you're wondering how the mom would be a to give Vicky a permission to go search Vicky's house, well, guess what. It turns out the address where Vicky lived was actually her mother's house. That wasn't Vicky's house, It was her mother's house. So this comes into play. Vicky had recently sold her home and because she sold her house, she moved back in and was living with her mom temporarily, and so she had her room and so the police go in there and they start looking through her room to see is there anything that might could help us figure out where she is. Well, in her room, some of the things they found kind of came across as kind of peculiar.

53:34 They found Vicky's purse and all of her identification. A lady is not going to leave her purse. And if she does leave her purse, Lady Jack and Vouchermi on this one. If she does leave her purse, there's only two reasons. The first reason is because we have a smaller little clutch or little strap thing that we just need our ID and our credit card in or number two, we're going out with someone like our husband or our boyfriend and they're carrying our ID. That's the only two reasons we would leave our purse behind. But the problem with this is that her ID was there, so it wasn't like she switched purses one like she and she had gone to work. She didn't bring her purse to work.

54:16 Maybe she forgot it. Okay, maybe she forgot it. And you have to remember all of this could be because they don't know what's happening. But one thing they did know is that she was a very meticulous record keeper. And while they're searching through all of her items to see if they can figure anything out, one investigator looked in her check book and he noticed that she had recently made a withdrawal from her bank account. But what caught his attention wasn't that there was a withdrawal. It was that it was a massive amount of money that she withdrew, and so the obvious question was where did she get all of this money? Because y'a, she worked as a correctional officer, And I'm not down in anybody.

54:57 I did it myself, but we ain't rich. You certainly will never be rich. And this was a lot of money. So where could she have gotten all of this money? Well, it actually was legit. Five weeks before this issue, this escape, it seemed Vicky did a quick sale or a short sale on her home and she sold it for ninety five thousand, five hundred and fifty dollars. What was weird about that is that police knew Vicky, they knew about her house and all that her house was worth way more than that. Her house was worth two hundred and thirty five, six hundred dollars. So you short sold your home, and you short saled yourself, short sold whatever. However, I would say that she shortened herself on how much money she could make, and it was a lot, you know, why would you do that? And that massive withdrawal that she had done was to the tune of ninety thousand dollars, nearly everything that she had in the account. So her parents are poor parents. They're sitting back horrified because they're like, oh my god, you know, Vicky might be hurt right now when you're here digging through all of her stuff.

56:08 But it kind of was really looking too convenient for this to be a spur of the moment thing, because whenever they go, well, listen, what were her plans? She was retiring today? You know, what were her plans? Where was she going to go? When they asked her mom that question, you know, where would she be heading, her mom again is like, what what do you mean she's retiring today? Her mother had no clue that her daughter was retiring none. The mom that she lived with, that she ate dinner with every day, had no idea that she was going to be retiring. Her mom knew nothing about it. And the police told her, well, yeah, she submitted her retirement papers. We threw her a party. She was definitely retiring. And I can't imagine now what mom and dad were feeling. Your daughter is kidnapped by a dangerous felon, and she seems to have been lying to you about like everything, and you don't know what's going on, and you just want your daughter back, and you're just all over the place, you don't know what's happening. Lord Daddy decided to be damned of whatever's going on here.

57:14 I want my daughter back and so he decided to help the police. So he handed over some documents that he had about a storage facility or a storage rental that Vicky had, And so they're looking at this facility trying to figure out, okay, was she storing stuff here? You know, what was going on. And one of the investigators, again remember they all know her, they've worked with her for DOWMN near twenty years, he realized that the phone number that was tied to that rental agreement wasn't Vicky's number. He knew it wasn't Vicky's number because he knew Vicky's number. So police decide to run that phone number and they don't get anything back from it. But what they also did was they cross referenced that unknown phone number with Casey White's prison calls prison phone calls, and what they found was that unknown phone number had been calling the jail and talking to Casey White and a lot from November of twenty twenty through February of twenty twenty two.

58:19 That phone number had made over one thousand phone calls between the owner of that phone, whoever it was, and Casey White at the jail. So, of course we all know this probably all phone calls are recorded at the jail, so they were able to go run to the jail and pull up those recordings to see who he was talking to, and lo and behold, if it wasn't Vicky White on the phone talking to this guy that she is supposed to be keeping in the custody and care of the Sheriff's office. So what they realize is that Casey has been called her own place of work to talk to a dangerous felon for over two years and right under the nose of her own employees. How could that happen? I know, Someone's like, wait, what, how no one noticed? I mean there's not somebody that's listening in on the calls. I mean people listen in on calls.

59:24 How did no one pick up on it? Well, I want you to think about it. And I actually did confer with some people that are one hundred percent in the know about these types of things, okay, to make sure I was on the right track and I was think about it. There wasn't any reason for Casey White's phone calls to be actually monitored. They recorded them like everybody else's, but there was no reason to monitor them. So whenever we have these phone call systems in jails, majority of systems that are used are going to Again, there's a billion systems that could be used, so I'm not speaking for on any system, but in general, most of these systems are going to have flag words that will alert in the system if certain words are said, things like escape or murder or something like, you know, kill or let's lie, I don't know whatever words. They can be set by the agency or whatever, but those flag words might pop up, and of course they're going to go review those to make sure there's no serious problem that's going to go on here. But as far as someone's sitting and listening to thousands of phone calls daily just in case something might be weird, that's just not going to happen. There's not enough manpower to listen to all of those thousands of calls times every inmate that's incarcerated. The people that can listen to those calls though, there's a certain number of authorized users to the system, so people like maybe a district attorney or someone that would have a vested interest and authority to go in

1:00:55 and listen to these jail calls, and so they can log in for investigation purposes. But I want you to understand that whoever logs into these systems, it's it's maintained by keystroke, meaning every person that logs into this system, it's documented. They're going to know who logs in. And the same thing applies for police too, And I just want everybody and understand this. You know, police, we have our units in our vehicles, and so you can't just jump in your vehicle, go to your cat in your car and just look up people for the fun of it. That's not acceptable use and you will be in trouble for that. You can only look at people in official capacity. So if you pull somebody over for a traffic violation, of course you're going to run their name. If you're you know, think there's been burglaries going on and you find somebody in the middle of the night kind of you know, lurking around, you could run their ID to see who they are and whatever. But it's got to be in official capacity. I'll tell you this too. Make the mistake of looking up somebody like the president or a celebrity in your system just out of curio, and your ass is going to be grass. Do you hear me?

1:02:04 With much power comes much responsibility and you cannot misuse your systems in that way. So just a little background information on this. She was using that burner phone, the unknown phone number to call Casey White on the regular and we call it a burner phone because that's kind of the idea is like you can burn the phone like you can you can get rid of it when you want to, so real quick, a burner phone. All burner phones are prepaid phones, but not all prepaid phones are burner phones, if that makes sense. So basically, if someone gets a burner phone, it's going to be a cheap phone and it comes with a set number of prepaid minutes or text messages or whatever, and there's no contract to get these phones. It cannot be traced back to you because you don't have to give any identifiable information to buy it. It's basically on the counter. You can go to Walmart and you can buy and it's got sixty minutes on it and you just check out and you activate your minutes and it's not tied to you by name. That's why criminals love them. It's hard to track them and figure out who bought them. So this whole realization made this way more devious than was originally thought, and friends were now kind of sitting back in their seats and just shaking their heads in disbelief at the utter betrayal that they felt, and they felt used, and it was right in their faces, basically like thrown

1:03:35 in their faces, and it was just a sick feeling. And I know this because I've been in their shoes. And trust me when I tell you that betrayal by a brother or sister in blue is a dish served ice fucking cold, and it hurts. And I don't care how tough you are, it hurts. I've experienced it more times than I ever expected in my lifetime to experience it, and it's been just here. In the last few years. I will be doing episodes on it. Like I keep telling you, I'm just not there yet. And I have personally sat on my back porch with my own head in my hands and cried over someone who I personally thought hung the moon and it turns out they're an absolute piece of shit. And then in the meantime, you're trying to mitigate those feelings, and then the public is looking at you as if you somehow were complicit in this because you worked with them, and you've been tricked.

1:04:34 You've been duped, just like everybody else. And it just hurts from more angles than I could possibly express to you. Now that they all realized Vicki wasn't who they thought she was, the chase was on and it was investigators versus a woman who knew the game and knew how it was played. This was not your average chase that they're trying to figure out where she where they were. And this wasn't a game of cat and mouse either when you're thinking criminal and police. This was barncat and house cat versus the police, the leos, the kings of the jungle. And when I tell you they were on the hunt to protect the public, they were gonna hold nothing back because now they're pissed too for the betrayal.

1:05:16 And I'm just gonna say this, and I think I don't care if you don't like it. I'm just gonna say it. Fuck anybody who takes an oath to service and to protect and serve people and to be good to your community and to follow the law, and then you cross that thin blue line for a criminal, Fuck you. You can go ahead and record this and you can send it to somebody I stand on business when I say it. So press conferences were being held and everything was blasted to the public about the situation that they could, because they wanted everyone to know. And so the chase portion of this whole thing became was assigned and left to the Marshall's Office, and there were other tasks that there was just a multitude of tasks that had to be done, and so other agencies were there, like the FBI, the local police, but the Marshall's Office took control of the chase. And if you don't, if you aren't familiar with the Marshall's Office, they have a crap ton of duties that they do. But a quick summary would be that they basically assist every law enforcement agency in the enforcement of federal laws and apprehension of people. But that's not the all inclusive list, but I just want you to understand that's what they do, is they come in and they assist. This was necessary. They needed all of this because again Vicky was familiar with the investigative process, and she was also very familiar with how they track people.

1:06:35 And they know she was because she was talking about it in her phone calls to Casey White. She was explaining to him, No towers are used in tracking phones, and they're gonna check my search history on my computer. If I google certain things, all of it's tracked, Casey. So of course hindsight is twenty twenty, and now it made sense why Vicky left the jail with Casey. But they also realized they never went to the courthouse. When they're piecing this together and all of the movements that morning, a few pretty big realizations were made. There actually was never even a court appointment, y'all. No one questioned Vicki whenever she said get Casey ready for court, because she was the supervisor. There was never a court appearance. It was made up, all made up. When it was realized that they were later than normal coming back, an officer did call Vicki, not the call I talked about earlier.

1:07:38 A officer did call Vicki and she said Vicky answered, but she told that officer that she was feeling sick and that she was having to seek medical treatment. So she was just gonna be a little bit later getting back. So this wasn't a spur of the moment thing. This was more like a very detailed, long well thought out plan and when they left that jail, they never went to the courthouse. They went directly to that Florence Square shopping center where the police, remember they found that unit and they searched it. Well, they had gone and decided, we've got to get surveillance footage for that area of where the police car was left. So they go pull foot the police footage and based on what they saw, they believed that Casey, because he was so big, he must have been laying down in the back seat of that patrol car so it wouldn't draw any attention to him.

1:08:33 And then as they're going back through days of that tape, they realized that Vicky had been at that shopping center prior to this escape, and so they started watching her and they saw her. She's in a baseball cap, all of her hair is pulled up in it so you can't see that bright white blonde hair. She's got on sunglasses, and they noticed that she goes and she parks a vehicle in the back of the parking lot, which is where right next to where the police car would have been parked days later. So on that camera, what they realized is that she had set this up that car was placed there as the getaway car, and so it was put their own purpose that they would drive the police unit straight to it whenever they left the jail and they would switch into that other car. And now what they believed happened is once they took off from the jail, she passed a handcuff key to him and he unshackled himself, and then whenever they got there, she got out, she opened the car door and he just got out of the car. That's what had to have happened, because remember police cars can't be opened from the inside.

1:09:44 That cage was there. She had to have let him out, and then they got into that personal vehicle and they drove away. They also found out that Vicki spent the night at a nearby hotel the night before, and I'm not sure why, other than to keep it eye on her own vehicle maybe, But also I'm not sure if she walked to work that morning or not, because it was pretty close. I'm actually not certain on that. But they found that she spent the night at a hotel. So looking through all of Vicky's purchase histories, police noticed that she was shopping in what really seemed like a normal fashion. At first, she was going to the grocery store like all of us do. But when they started looking over what she was buying, because they went to that extent to compare the purchases and then pull tape at Walmart and all that, when they started looking at what she was buying, they started noticing a trend. She was buying all groceries, but she would always slip in one piece of camping equipment per trip, and this was done over months, so there'd be a sleeping bag here, a travel grille hit there, and basically they realized she was slowly piling up a bug out bag or a getaway bag. So she also had made some purchases at Cohl's, and when they checked on those purchases, the single Vicky with no kids was purchasing men's clothing. So it's pretty damn obvious now that that was clothing she purchased for Casey to be able to change into after the escape.

1:11:13 And interesting too, if you want to know, is she also stopped at a sex shop. That's right, and bought whatever tools I guess she needed. I wouldn't actually able to find out what tools she bought there. I'll leave that to your imagination. But she did manage to get some wigs as well, So maybe she got those wigs there. I don't know, but she had some well rounded shopping that she did somewhere during all of this timeframe. Two, Vicky's coworkers invited her to a fun party. And if you're not familiar with what I'm talking about, a fun party is like a sex party where you go buy stuff to have sex with. Like not like a diddy party, whoa no, but like a people go and they show products and you can buy those products there. Okay, Now, the fact that Vicky went really surprised everyone. Number One, they all kind of looked around like, I can't believe Vicky is here. Secondly, she seemed to be balls to the wall, like wild about making purchases. It just was so bizarre because they knew she was single. What do you need a this shit for? She bought some risk ay stuff like leather and ballgags and shit. So I mean, that's risky for me. I don't know if that's risky for you. I ain't judge it. We listen, we don't judge, okay, but I don't have a ballgag. Sorry, but anyway, So she bought some risk Aye stuff, and then whenever the police are listening in on a lot of those previous phone calls together, Casey requests that she buys him a penis pump. I tell you what, It's one thing to

1:12:45 be an ugly sam of a bitch, but you can't even keep it up either. I don't get it. I don't get the attraction, but either way, he wanted a penis pump. Also, during all of those phone communications, there was a ton of phone sex going on, and I listen to some of it, and I want y'all to know this was the most crim shit I've ever heard in my entire life. And I'm not a prude. I need y'all to know that, Mama and a prude. I'm all about, like, wave your flag, do what you got to do. But listening to Grandma moaning on the phone with Dumbbo moaning back, maybe want a freaking puke in my mouth a little bit. I mean, it was horrible, and it was pretty obvious during the phone calls that the emotional manipulation that I believe Casey was doing at that point was going pretty thick, pretty thick, And I want to explain this to you. Just like a child being groomed by a sex predator, the inmates are going to spend a whole lot of time honing their craft on officers. And they have everything to gain by manipulation, sex, money, and escape. I mean, they have nothing to gain, or they have everything to gain and nothing to lose by trying to woo an officer. And the process is pretty textbook, So I'm gonna explain it to you real quick. It usually starts with small talk. It starts with small talk with these officers. Remember, day in and day out, they're with each other, and so they'll do small talk with these officers. But they're also going to easedrop on conversations while pretending that they're not listening. They do it every

1:14:16 single day. And while they're listening and just doing small talk, they're learning about you. They're learning about your dislikes, your interests, your vulnerabilities, things like if you have family problems or if you have addictions. But another thing that is considered a vulnerability is someone who is aging. If you did not know that. So the steps then become pretty like I said, textbook. It's conning, grooming, and then manipulation. So I'm not minimizing Vicky's role in this at all, and I don't want it to come across that way. She was a grown ass adult. I'm just explaining how could this have happened when everyone is saying this wasn't VICKI, this was not her. How could that this have happened?

1:15:01 This is what happens. They they do the small talk, and they learn about you, they pick out the vulnerabilities, and then what they're gonna do, which is very calculated, is they're gonna give you a gift. And the reason they give you the gift is that gift implies some type of obligation to be kind to them. And again it goes back to like I like to say, Southern manners, or just being a decent human being. When someone is nice to you and gives you a gift, you want to be kind to them for doing so. So then it makes the officer feel like, well, maybe this inmate isn't that bad. Maybe they really, you know, do care about me. And I don't mean in a sexual way either.

1:15:46 It's just like in a human way, because you might look for the good in people, and that good could be like if they say, I would protect you if anybody ever tried to hurt you. No one's touching you in here. Or you know, you're a good officer. You're one of the good ones, man, So we're gonna don't ever worry about you. I got you, or praising that officer. You know, you're the good guys. There's so many bad ones here, but you know how to do your job. They kind of stroke that ego a little bit. They might say, hey, your hair looks nice today, or you know, you lost some weight like I mentioned. And what happened is, and this was verified by other inmates, is that Casey loved to tell Vicky that she had a fine ass. And the problem was that the very first time he said that to her and say, girl, you got a fine ass on you. The problem was that Vicky felt flattered by it, and rather than writing him up what she should have done immediately, that should have been a sex offense immediately, she let the comment slide. And when she let that slide, Casey knew he was in. He was in like flint because if someone told me you a fine ass, I would say, and you're about to be fucked over, bro, You're going in a jail cell.

1:16:54 You're going to be locked up, You're going down. Sorry, don't talk about me like that again. You know what I'm saying Like that would have been shut down in a heartbeat, just because don't talk to me like that. In the meantime, But during one of their recorded conversations, Vicky said something that I immediately knew was his inn when I found out about the fact that he was talking about her ass And it was something that she said to him when he asked her one time, what it would be your dream job? And it just seemed like a typical conversation, like what could you do if you didn't have to work here? What would be your dream job? Again? Gathering information on her, and what she said was, and this is a quote, if I would have been pretty enough, I would have wanted to be a stripper and dance on a pole. That said a lot to me. And it's not about being a stripper.

1:17:40 It's not that she was being edgy or anything. It's that she said, if I would have been pretty enough, Boom. You can tell right there with that that she has low self esteem. She does not find herself to be pretty. And so now what does he need to do nail that one in, nail that one over and over again. Convince her that you think that she is the finest thing that ever walked the planet. And it says a lot that they prey on people with low self esteem, you know what I'm saying, Like, how sick are you to turn that against somebody? He tells Vicky that she is smoking hot and that she's not ugly, and that she is the finest thing that he's ever seen. Y'all, Vicky was older than him, and I'm telling you she is almost grandmotherly older than him. Not a lover. And this goes back to that age factor I mentioned when I said aging is actually a vulnerability. If you look at the two, he is like twenty years older than she is twenty years older than him almost. So then what they're gonna do is after they kind of get that flattery in and they see that they're not getting checked on it, then what they're gonna do is they're gonna ask that officer to break a small rule. Now they're not gonna go, hey, man, will you break a small rule for me? No, I'm gonna go like that.

1:18:53 It's gonna say, hey, can I catch a cigarette, or hey, can I get an extra roll on my plate? They're gonna ask you to break a very small and in con something that seems just just not consequential. But what if I told you that whenever you're looking through the videotape of the jail. Over time, detectives realized that they needed to bring in inmates from that jail to question them because they are still trying to find where Vicky. They still don't know where they are Vicky and Casey are. So they go to question these inmates about the relationship and did they know anything about the relationship between the two, and the inmates said, well, yeah, I mean Casey would always order his commissary or is they call it their store or their Zuzu's, and she would always show up and we always got extra, We always got more than what he ordered. And they're like, well, I mean, you know, why didn't you say something if you knew something was wrong?

1:19:48 Or they didn't say that. But I'm saying you might be wondering, why wouldn't they say something if they knew Well, duh, the inmates knew what was going on, But no one's gonna talk because then they would lose their benefits of getting that extra food and the stuff that he would give them a cut of, they'd be stupid to talk. They realize that they've got they've got someone that's helping them out. But after that small rule is broken, an extra bag of chips or an extra roll or given them a cigarette, that's when the manipulation kicks in and he goes full speed ahead, and the ball is already rolling downhill because what's now happened is that inmates social status and the jail is now raised. It's raised high amongst other inmates, and they have nothing to lose, and the other inmates are holding them in that esteem because they're benefiting from it. It's a total power move. And I want you to understand that staff's seduction is an absolute game of control. It has nothing to do with actual care of the person that they're seducing, and it works.

1:20:49 Look where it got Casey to this point. If you don't believe me the phone calls, then get really pie in the sky in this manipulation. And what he starts doing is this pie in the sky romanticism. And he's talking about you gotta promise me you're gonna marry me when I get out of here, and it better be within the first year. You gotta promise me, baby, And then we're gonna go get us a little a little cabin out in the wilderness, and we're gonna live there together, and we're not gonna we're just gonna be together all the time in the bed with my head laying on your chess and blah blah blah, blah, fuck and blah. And if you if you're not caught up in it, you're like, gag me, this is disgusting. But it's just too thick. But when she got caught up in it, and all of this conning and grooming and then ultimate manipulation over those two years snowballed. It's a train with no breaks. So they're on the run. Still, this investigation is in full force. More info is starting to be uncovered on how extensive her planning and preparation had been.

1:21:56 They realized that just three days before the actual escape, they ran a test run together and no one knew. She made Casey them go get Casey told him she was taking him to the courthouse again. Nobody questioned it because she was the boss. They weren't gone long. They were gone for a short while. She pulls right back in the sallyport and she's going to bring him right back inside, and they find that their test run went great, But then there was a problem. It was great until it wasn't. When she pulled into that sally port, there happened to be another deputy who was there, and that deputy was booking somebody into the jail. There was no way Vicky was going to be able to bring Casey White through that door number one without being noticed, but number two. Them wondering why she was with him alone on that trip. She could not have done it, and so she was. She was pretty slick on this one.

1:22:54 She just nonchalantly goes and unlocks the side door. Casey walks in, She walks in. They avoid booking all together. She goes ahead and unshackles them, and then an officer grabs him and just takes him down the hall to his cell and no one's the wiser. No one really thinks about it. She was the supervisor, So they went in. They audited Vicky's computer, and she was also in charge of something called unclaimed and mate property, and they found that she had been searching unclaimed inmate property for white males over six foot five, and she had been stealing that property out of the jail. Obviously for Casey and the colleagues. Then, now that all this is going on and they're all starting to talk, they all started saying, well, she had been given away a lot of items, and she had recently started selling a whole bunch of stuff, like she sold a tanning bed to a coworker, just giving stuff away, and the friends that work there and the colleagues could tell something had been way off. For the last two weeks before the escape. She was snapping at people. She was overly stressed. She was giving all of her stuff away, and people asked her, are you okay, and she just chalked it up to stress. So it was kind of all making sense. Now. Vicky and Casey would remain on the run for days. They were gone for days while all this is going on, and they there wasn't as much as a sighting of them. Both of them were now considered armed and dangerous, and this was because they also realized that Vicky had purchased multiple firearms and ammunition in the prior months. She even discussed

1:24:26 what guns to buy with Casey over the recorded conversations, which, for the life of me is crazy, gun get guns. You know, maybe that should have been flagged. I don't know. So investigators really wanted to hone in on that car that they saw Vicky park in that parking lot, and it happened to be an orange suv, which y'all as ugly as a box of rocks, and it stood out like a sore thumb. Why you think we put inmates in Orange? I don't know. Maybe that's some kind of a what's it called insight to you know, what's to happen, some foreshadowing that she got the orange car for her man in Orange. So no one had really seen the vehicle, which they really thought someone would have seen. This thing, I me is but ugly and if you drive it, I take that back. It is so cute and I love it and I just think it's precious and I'll love it for you. But anyway, disclaimer either way, they look around and no one's really able to find this car.

1:25:25 So they look around and they happen to find locally a car dealer who in fact had soldier this orange Ford Edge and it was very recently and so they were able to identify the car, but looking for it was so vital to find them. But there was no GPS, there was no phone to track, there was nothing. They could literally be anywhere. So more days past and they can't locate the vehicle. So by day five, they're now offering rewards, hoping that this will generate tips. And there was a ten thousand dollars reward for, you know, leading to the capture of them. There's a five thousand dollars reward if they if you had information that would lead to getting Vicky. Nothing happened. Seven days go by, no tips, even with the money. They didn't even get like like fake tips, people just trying to get the money. It was like nothing happened. This ugly ass orange car should have been an easy to spot sore thumb driving down the road, and nobody was calling in on it. But eventually someone who was watching the evening news called in and said, you know, I may have towed that vehicle, but it was in Tennessee that I towed it. So investigators immediately jumped on their horses, got over there, and sure enough, that was the car. And what was ridiculous about it was on the back rear panel of the car.

1:26:46 You could see where they had tried to green spray paint the car. Like I guess they really thought they were going to spray paint a car green and people wouldn't notice that either. Ridiculous. So it was cool, Okay, great, now we found the orange car. But guess what, there's still a week behind the guy the escapee here and VICKI. They're still a week behind him. It's not getting them anywhere. Well, it turns out that another man called in and said he had been selling his truck just out of his yard and he when he saw Casey realized, you know, on the news or whatever, that he sold him this blue f one fifty and he could give the ven number if it would help them of the vehicle that he sold. So now they at least had a new vehicle to be on the lookout for. Well, another man then calls in and he says, I own a car wash and there's been a blue truck parked in this car wash bay for days. The keys are still in it and it's got a Tennessee license plate. But that car wash was in Indiana. So police are like, hell, yeah, here we come. So they come rolling up. The problem was that the owner of the car wash also called the media right after the police, and so when they get there, the media is set up. He's talking to the media and they're like, oh, great, buddy, Now anything we might have had that we could use in our investigation that we don't want anyone to know, you're now blasting it all over the TV. Awesome. If they're watching now,

1:28:16 they know where we're at and what we've caught up to at this point. So they pull the video anyway that they had the surveillance video, and they see Casey pull up, park the car there the truck, and then he gets out and then as he's getting out, you see him clearly grab a gun and stick it in his waistband, in the back of his waistband. Then he walks to the road and there you see a gray Cadillac pull up, and you can see that Vicky is driving that Cadillac in some of the surveillance video. So they now realized, okay, now we have a fourth vehicle used in this escape. So time now really was of the essence because they realized, well, shit, they hadn't really gone that far. They could have presumptively gone clear across the country, and now there are only two states away.

1:29:02 So what they decided to do here tactically is to just really infiltrate and put way more boots on the ground to see if they can look for them. And wouldn't you know, a deputy or a police officer that was driving around happened to spot a great Cadillac backed into a hotel forty one and it just met the description to a t of the one that they were looking for. So detectives go inside and they asked to see who was checked in, and based on where it was parked, they knew that it was one of three or they believed it was one of three hotel rooms right there. So they go in. They asked to see the names of the lists of everybody that was checked in, but their names weren't on there. But what they did find was that a pizza had been delivered there, and so they reverse engineered the pizza place called them and they found the driver who delivered the pizza, asked him to id who he delivered the pizza to, and sure enough, he picked out Casey and Vicki, So they had the positive ID for the two, and they knew that they were in room one fifty, So how did they get in there with with fake names? If you have to you know, if more is required of that. Well, it turns out they had paid a homeless man. You can't make this up. They had paid a homeless man to check them in for a fourteen night's stay back on May third. So they're known to be armed, seriously dangerous to the community, and the police are now trying to

1:30:33 set up a tactical approach of how can they minimize any type of damage, how can we keep the community safe, and how are we gonna get in to that hotel room with no casualties. Well, while they're getting their SRT team en route and they're trying to set up and figure out what to do, the door opens to the hotel and Vicki walks out, walks right out. She's got on what looks to be like a brown a dark brown long wig, and they'd get in the car. Her and Casey get in the car, Casey gets in the driver's seat, She gets in the passenger seat, and the car takes off. So obviously the police are gonna put a tail on the car, so they start following it. Very quickly, Casey and Vicky realize that they're being followed, and from as soon as they figured out that they were being followed, it turned into an all out high speed chase, flying down roads, they're flying through parking lots, they're jumping through grass. But it was like they were kind of going in like a square pattern. It was weird.

1:31:33 It wasn't like they were actually trying to get anywhere. Almost like when you sometimes in chases, you can tell whenever a suspect is wanting to dump the car and maybe jumping run because like they slow down and then they'll like bail out, or if they slow down then they speed back up. There they're kind of second guess and what's going on. Well, while the high speed chase is going on and there's cars everywhere and they're chasing back and forth, Vicky accidentally calls nine to one one on her phone. She does not have any clue that she's on the phone with nine one one, and you can hear her screaming, Casey, stop, Casey, stop the car, Casey. And so the reason she's screaming stopped the car is cause the police are now ramming that Cadillac trying to stop it like a pit maneuver. They're ramming the car now, trying to get that vehicle to stop going forward so they cannot pose any risk further to the community. So Vicky then starts going the airbags are gonna go off, They're gonna kill us. We're gonna We're gonna die. They're gonna kill us. Stop, Casey Stop. And then she says, we should have just stayed at the fucking hotel. She was mad. So then a little bit more screaming and stuff goes on, and then she says, let's just get out and run. Let's just get out and run. Well, as she's screaming let's just get out and run, boom, they get pitted on the side. It's a good clean hit.

1:32:51 It's a black police truck that smokes them, and the Cadillac goes sideways. It hits a ditch that's right there, and it just flips over sideways, and it's a pretty narly wreck. I mean, it's not like it just rolled him over or anything like that. And so they get pitted. The car rolls and on that nine one one call, the operator are still listening in and you hear go Casey like that and then bow a single gunshot goes off. So police are now out of their vehicles. They've got this car surrounded at gunpoint. They're telling them get out of the car, get out of the car, get out of the car. They're not getting out of the car. And so they approach and I think it takes balls of steel for this, but they just approach the vehicle and they're able to get their hands on Casey and they drag his big ass out of the car. He's bloody and stuff, but they get him in handcuffs. And as soon as they get him in handcuffs, it's on body cam. He starts going, where's my wife? Where's my wife?

1:33:51 And the police are like, you know, trying to still get Vicky out of the car. She's not able to get out of the car, and he's just screaming how is she? How is she? There was a lot of blood there. She did have a head wound. She was lying motionless and unresponsive when they finally were able to pull her out of the car, and the firefighters and the officers worked together for a while to try to get her to respond, but she doesn't. So the ambulance pulls up. They put her in there, and they haul her off to the hospital. Status unknown. She may have royally messed up, but no one wanted her to die. I mean, that was not the plan here at all. So he keeps asking, you know, how's my wife? How's my wife? They're like, well, let you know, when we find out, sit down and chill. So they end up getting him in a car and they take him to the hospital too. While they're searching the Cadillac, they found everything that they believed would be in there. A nine millimeter service weapon which happened to be Vicki's service weapon.

1:34:47 There was a forty five caliber pistol. There was a shotgun, and there was even a loaded AR fifteen like style rifle. There was extra ammunition. They found those wigs I told you about. They found Vicky's duty belt from work and her handcuffs, and they also found twenty nine thousand dollars in cash, a stun gun, and all of that camping gear that she had been buying over the months when she was grocery shopping. So Casey was hurt. It was his left ear was hurt and he had some blood on his head or whatever. So they get into the hospital again. I'm watching body Camel on this one, and he keeps saying, how's my wife? How's my wife? Is she dead? Is she okay? Well, the reality was Vicky was alive at the hospital. Whenever she got there, she was breathing. They go in the id. Yep, this is actually Vicky. But shortly thereafter, Vicki dies. She dies as a result of her injuries, and so her family gets the news broken to them and their heart broken. They loved their family member, obviously, and whenever the news spread to the officers at the jail, obviously, the inmates found out what had happened. Do you know, officers and inmates alike.

1:36:06 It was like everybody at the jail was sad. They cried like together almost. I'm not saying that a kumbaya, but like everybody on both sides of the job mourned, mourned her death because even though she had just messed up so bad, she did such good in seventeen years up to that point of being a good employee up into that point. She was a good friend up until that point. She was good to inmates, and I don't mean in an illegal way, just being kind and compassionate up until the point that she crossed the line. It was just simply stunning what had unfolded over the last eleven days that they had been on the run. So her body was sent for autopsy, and she did have a gunshot. It was almost to the back of her head, which was thought to be a really strange placement for a suicide. You would expect it to go in the mouth or at the temple, and it was almost kind of towards the back of the head. And so there was this short lived glimmer of hope that maybe it was an accident and it went off. But when they reviewed tape and audio and the nine will one call on all of that, it was very clear that the gun went off after the crash. It did not go off during the crash, which would have been the accident.

1:37:18 It was indeed a suicide. Now I'm going to tell you this, and I know there's a lot of people that disagree with me, but it's my podcast. It's always been my belief that Casey never loved Vicky. There's a lot of people that say, oh, they really were in love, and it was just, you know, they fell in love blah blah blah. I think that he used Vicky to his advantage. I think he conned her into believing him that he loved her, and I think the sexual aspect of it all was just a bonus. And I know there's a lot of people that will disagree with me on that statement. But I have some information that I don't think a lot of people know that I'm going to share with you, because this is why I think he didn't give a shit about her. What if I told you that Casey even being at Vicky's facility to begin with was part of the KHN, that his confession that he made to killing Connie Ridgeway was just a chess move of his in a much larger self centered game and plan. Investigators from the jump did not believe Casey White's confession to killing Connie Ridgeway, and the reason that they didn't believe him was because his confession didn't seem to match what happened. For instance, he told investigators that he killed Connie he beat her with his fists,

1:38:49 when the autopsy shows that she was clearly hit with a hammer multiple times and stabbed over and over and over again. He never mentioned any of that. Okay, Well, sure there could have been a second There could have been a second accomplice there, but punches weren't what killed this woman. So it just that that didn't quite add up. Okay. So secondly, none of the DNA as in zero, of any of the DNA at Connie Ridgeway's murder matched Casey White. So you go in and do this brutal murder and don't leave any DNA or the DNA that's there doesn't match you. I'm not buying that either. What if I also told you that that original sentence that Casey was spending seventy five years in prison for before he had confessed to the Connie Ridgeway murder. What if I told you that Casey had gotten into an argument with an inmate, and the inmate and Casey were fighting over a phone that had been smuggled in to the prison. Well, Casey wanted the phone, the other guy didn't want him to have it, and it turns into an argument, and Casey picked a fight with him and said, well, I'm gonna take my six foot nine ass and I'm gonna mess you up, and I'm taking the phone. And what if I told you he picked the fight with the wrong inmate.

1:40:24 He thought that being the biggest guy in the room was gonna make all the difference. He didn't know the guy he picked on was gonna put a hit out on him, which they did follow through with. Because Casey White had been stabbed, he'd been shanked recently, and even though the shanking didn't kill him, he knew he's not stupid. He knew that he was gonna die at that facility if he stayed at it. So considering all of that, it sure seems really convenient that he then confesses to a murder that nothing adds up, knowing that it will get him transferred to that another facility for his own safety in his own mind, but because of legal reasons, he's gonna have to go to the jurisdiction where he committed them supposedly committed the Connie Ridgeway murder. He knew he would get moved. And because he's a pussy and he couldn't back up what he was doing threatening in the jail and he found out you don't mess with the top gang leader, he wanted to be moved. That was not by chance that he confessed to that murder.

1:41:26 I don't believe it for a second. I think that that was a tactical move on his behalf. So then he was transferred to Vicky's facility, and what do you know, once he got to Vicky's facility, he escaped with a so called lover, a woman twenty years his senior with low self esteem who was lonely, and well, it just so happens. What a kowinky deck that she's a supervisor who has the ability to move him in and out of a facility because of her rank, and nobody's gonna question her. Sure if you believe that, good also want you to trust me when I tell you that the Saints are going to win the Super Bowl this year.

1:42:07 Bet the farm put all your money on him. If you believe for a second that that's all coincidence, Sorry, I cannot help you. This was a huge game, huge and he played it perfectly. So once Casey was back in custody and Vicky was dead, the police asked Casey what was your plan if and when you were to be caught? And he says that they were planning to get in a big old shootout like Bonnie and Clyde. They were going to be in this big shootout, But it doesn't sound that way. On the nine one one call, Vicky sounds to me like she is in over her head. She's frantic, and she's scared out of her mind because she has messed up royally. But a shootout, I don't know. It just doesn't sound like what's going on in the car.

1:42:50 Casey also said that he considered Vicky his wife. He kept asking about it, and so they're like, well, Vicky, what in your wife? Why do you call your wife? And he says, well, you were married by my faith and by my personal laws. And my answer to that is exactly You're exactly right. You have done what you have wanted to do your entire life, with total disregard for the actual laws and safety and care of other people. It's under your laws, your personal laws, which are the only ones that apparently you have any loyalty to or belief in. You're governed by your own set of rules in your own mind, Casey White, of course, and this faith that you speak of, she was your wife through your faith. Where was your almighty faith and your righteousness when you damn near killed your ex girlfriend and then when you put a gun in a man's face when you stole his car, or when you shot that mother in front of her family in the vehicle that was trying to get away from you. Where was your faith? Then?

1:43:56 Don't you dare use faith? Don't you dare? Don't you dare to that? To us, it's sick. And then you maybe murdered Connie Ridgeway. Where was your faith whenever you were making that bullshit up? Because let me tell you something, you have, Casey White, no legitimate faith, you have no moral compass, and you're gonna do anything to anyone to benefit yourself. He never loved Vicki. He manipulated her and he used her for all that she was worth, and unfortunately she fell for it, and she paid for it with her life, and she also betrayed everyone who genuinely did love her in the process. So Casey White was returned behind bars in Alabama. They charged him with fell any murder because of his role in Vicky White's death, as well as he got an escape in the first degree, and he was convicted and given an additional life sentence, which they added to the seventy five years that he was already being, you know, incarcerated for he's not only now away from the danger of that first prison gang member, you know, whenever they wanted to hurt him, but he then moved and he got special privileges as a result of manipulation of Vicky for years at the jail, so he got away from the bad guy he's scared of.

1:45:14 He then manipulates and gets special privileges for years from Vicky. And then he got out and he enjoyed his freedom and his travel for eleven days. And then the cherry on top was that when he was set to stand trial for the Connie Ridgeway murder, you know, the one he confessed to doing, he won on that. Let me tell you how he won because as usual, he came out on top in this instance too, because he decided after he was recaptured that he was gonna recant his confession. That's right now, he says he didn't kill Connie Ridgeway after he failed to escape and get away from the jail, and the prosecutors dropped the case against him just two weeks before he was supposed to go to trial. So Vicki's dead and her reputation is destroyed. Connie Ridgeway is dead and her family was drug through the ringer with now no closure because you lied and said you killed somebody you didn't kill. You shot a mother in front of her family, and you damn near killed your ex girlfriend. Wow.

1:46:27 And Casey White is still sitting in prison playing his games. And I don't understand how men like Casey always seem to pull women, but they do. I've always been told the key to being attractive is believing in yourself, which I guess makes sense because all I can tell you is Casey White definitely succeeds in putting the con in confidence