Oct. 14, 2025

The Notorious Kehoe Family

The Notorious Kehoe Family
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Season 8

In this episode of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings, KJ examines the tragic case of the Mueller family, whose disappearance began with an ordinary day that turned into a horrific abduction, driven by suspects know as the Notorious Kehoe Family.

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning, Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, kJ

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You're back with another episode of Unspeakable, and I need

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you to know this. If you're a Netflix watcher, Okay,

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I'm going to put you on point for something you

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may want to go watch after you listen to this episode,

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because it actually ties in so right now, it's a

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newer episode as of the time that I'm recording this,

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but it's called Oklahoma City Bombing American Terror.

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So if you have time after you listen to this episode, go.

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Watch that because it ties in beautifully with this episode.

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It's related, but not directly, and so I was tickled

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when I saw it on TV and I said, dang man,

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the people might want to know that, So go watch

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that if you have time.

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After you listen to this episode.

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Now I have a couple of shout outs that I

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want to do, but this is a little bit different

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set of shout outs because this is not from Patreon.

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These are people that in the last couple of weeks

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have taken such good care of my mom at our

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lady of the Lake Regional Medical Center right there on

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Essen Lane, and I hope that everyone who works there,

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only Onlogy floor, who was in the ICU, all of

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these people get to hear this, and I hope that

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you'll share it if you know anyone that works there,

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because a lot of these nurses came forward to me

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after they saw my name as an emergency contact from

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a mom and just were so pleasant and said they

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listened to the show. So I specifically want to give

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first of all, the home health nurse that came today,

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Miss Melissa Jernigan. I hope that you know how much

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I appreciate everything you've done for me. And she's also

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a mother of I think she had six boys and

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all of them in different military so some of them

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were an army, Navy, she had marine. She has a

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son that's living in Guam right now, and that's just awesome.

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These are these people are the front lines of everything

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we need. We've got our military guys, and then we've

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got our medical people on the front lines, and I

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just think so much of them. So miss Melissa, I'm

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waving to you on camera right now and thank you

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so much for all that you did, as well as

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mister Paul and miss Lisa. Now Lisa's name, tax said Jennifer. Okay,

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she said her name was Lisa, so maybe she's in

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witness protection.

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I don't know.

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But mister Paul's from England and miss Lisa works. They're

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both occupational therapist and we just had the best conversations

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and he's going to start listening to my podcast. We

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had a long talk about JFK everything. So to all

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of those people, to everyone that's helped my mother, even

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if I don't say your name, thank you so much,

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and please share this episode so.

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They can hear me.

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Give you that shout out because it means a lot

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to me. So this episode, though, guys, we're going to Arkansas.

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We're gonna go to Tilly, Arkansas, and this is going

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to be in Pope County, which is at the time.

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I'm sure it's grown since, but a very small area

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and a place where everybody knows everybody. And I know

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that sounds cliche, but it's true. It's one of those places.

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And there was a woman that lived there by the

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name of Arlene Peterson, and she showed up at the

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police station because she was unable to find her daughter.

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She couldn't get her on the phone. Not only that

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it was weird, she couldn't get her daughter's family to

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make contact with her, try and call in and and

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it's just very, very odd. So her daughter's name was Nancy,

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and Nancy was married to her husband, William. He went

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by Bill, so you may hear me say William or

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Bill throughout this episode. And they had a daughter. She

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was eight years old and her name was Sarah. Now

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their daughter wasn't biologically, I guess a true statement, because

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Bill was Sarah's stepdad, but that was her dad. Nonetheless,

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because Bill and her mother, Nancy, had been together ever

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since Sarah was just an infant. Bill was working as

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an electrician when he originally met Nancy, who was the

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single mom that they worked together, and instantly he became

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smitten with Nancy. They got along really well, and then

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very quickly just became inseparable at the job and then

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off the job as well. Now there was a bit

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of an age gap between these two. Bill was fifty two,

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Nancy was only twenty eight, but it didn't bother them

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in the slightest. They would quickly get married and their

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life was one that I think we all would hope for.

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They were not rich by any means financially, but if

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you consider love and a house full of joy, even

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if you're not rich in finances, that's rich in and

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of itself a different type, and they had that. They

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were very responsible people, and so the fact that they

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weren't returning calls, the fact that Nancy hadn't spoken to

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her mother for an extended period of time, was very

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very telling that something was a miss and it hadn't

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just been a few days, one or two days. No

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police were told by this point that Miss Arlene showed

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up that it had been two weeks now that she

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had not been able to get in touch with them.

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So they immediately went to the home of the family.

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Now Nancy and Bill their last name was Mueller. Some

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people have said this as Muller. I'm gonna say Mueller

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because that's what majority of the time that I've done

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researching how it was said in some news articles and

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things of that nature. So they went by the Mueller

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home and they weren't there. They didn't answer. They were

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doing a welfare check.

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Okay, cool.

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So police then went and spoke to neighbors that lived nearby.

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Nothing they had nothing to add. But whenever they spoke

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to close family friend, this was a doctor. Her name

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was doctor Denise Marx. She had a little insight that

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may assist in a better location where they may could

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start looking for this family. Because Denise looked at Nancy

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and Nancy's daughter Sarah as.

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Kind of her own kids.

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They were that close and the last time that she

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saw Nancy was on January the fifth, and during that meeting,

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when they were talking, Nancy said that they were planning

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to go to Springdale for a gun show that was

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being held. Now this wasn't out of the norm. This

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was actually quite common because Bill was a well known

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gun dealer, so they often would go and frequent these

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gun shows where he would buy guns, he would sell guns.

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He also traded weapons, and he sold other things to

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like ammunition and things that go along with guns, you know,

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gun accessories. And he was legit too. I want to

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make sure that I'm clear about that. He was a

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licensed dealer with the Feds and everything, so this was

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a legitimate operation that he did. So police decided to

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look in that direction, but no tips came from that,

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and no leads came from it as well, and a

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month would pass and the police were still now no

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closer to solving the just poof disappearance of an entire family.

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It was really.

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Just just odd, is not the right word. Families don't disappear,

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not whole families for sure. So that was until a

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local landowner who was working on his property contacted police

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because he was out in an area that wasn't quite

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one that he frequented, and he ended up finding a

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jeep as well as a trailer, like a pull behind trailer,

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hidden on his land under some brush. Now it's kind

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of weird to say a car and a trailer were

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hidden under brush. It was kind of a poor attempt

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at hiding him, but you know, there were big branches

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and stuff that were covering it. So when the police

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got there, they first recognized Okay, well, this is about

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forty five minutes from where Tilly is and that's where

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the Mueller's home was. But whenever they ran reports on

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these vehicles, it came back that this was the Mueller's

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trailer and their vehicle. So the area of the land

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was also noted to be off road and not an

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easily accessible area for someone to pull up and just park.

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And the trailer that was attached to the jeep, well,

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that was the one that Bill used whenever he would

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transport all of his gun inventory for the shows, whenever

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they would go to them. So first things first, they

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wanted to open up the trailer and see what all

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equipment was in there and see maybe had he sold

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stuff and then on his way back parked it or

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what all was was their equipment wise, but that would

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be just fruitless because whenever they swung the door open

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to the trailer, it was completely empty. There was nothing

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in it, It was absolutely wiped out. That being the case,

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this seemed to be proof that something was very amiss here.

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Because I don't care how good of a gun dealer

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you are, I don't care how good of a business

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owner you are. No one sells all of their inventory

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in one show. That just doesn't typically happen. So the

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police then said, all right, well, let's look in the

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jeep and see what we can find in there, and

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that would bring about another huge red flag, and that

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would be because it was Nancy's purse that was located

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in the vehicle. Now, no woman alive. Myself included, We're

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not going to leave our purse behind willingly, especially when

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it still contains our wallet, our cigarettes. Not I don't smoke,

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but I know smokers, and I ain't leaving those damn

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cigarettes behind. And all of her like daily things that

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she would use were still in the purse.

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That's not good.

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But it was important to note that the police also

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did not readily find any evidence of any obvious foul play.

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So I mean, there was no blood, there was no hair,

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no notable damage or anything of the property. So it

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was possible that the trailer had been cleaned out by

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the Mullers and then they parked it on this random property.

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Everything is open for possibility when you don't know what

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the hell is going on. Something about Bill too, that

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I want to note and I want to bring up,

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is that he had a very strong belief in the

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anti government mentality. And this was not just people who

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were like, I don't like the government. Okay, now, this

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is a pretty pretty strong anti government sentiment. And that

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being said, he was one that did not readily want

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his whereabouts nor his dealings to be tracked. He stayed

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very very private. He did not promote what all he did.

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You know, I'm guilty. We're all guilty nowadays of Facebook.

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I mean, you can find people these days. I don't

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care if you're you're not even good at being a detective.

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You can find.

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People these days because we're all so self absorbed and

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we think that people care about our lives and we

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post all the time what we're doing.

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But Bill would not have been that person.

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Now, this is back in the nineties, so Facebook wasn't

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a thing, but he still was not that person.

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So was it a possibility.

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That the Mulers had hidden their vehicle in an attempt

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to go really off grid while they were doing something else.

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It really was a possibility that dot was the case here.

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It was very much considered. But if so, even if

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they were going off grid, you still wouldn't leave your purse.

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That's just crazy.

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Something that would immediately also tie you to that vehicle

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if someone were to find it, would you wouldn't do that?

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Or would you maybe to stage your own disappearance or

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something along those lines, But then again, why would you

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want to stage your own disappearance? But either way, police

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knew that they weren't being found, and so these missing

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persons investigations for this family became official, especially since, like

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I said, it's an entire family that vanished seemingly without

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a trace up until now that they found the purse

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and they found the vehicle and the trailer, so they

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decided to look more intrinsically into these these people's lives.

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And what they found was that Bill and Nancy were

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very happily married. There was nothing found to even dispute

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that fact.

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Miracle.

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Marital discord was ruled out very very quickly when looking

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into their family. Also, Sarah was a very happy child,

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very happy, no known causes for concern in that realm either.

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She was described as energetic, very happy, curious kid, obsessed

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with horses, a horse lover, and she was your typical

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eight year old little girl, small and sweet. She had

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this blonde hair that went about shoulder length. She had

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those bangs that we all had, well, I didn't, damn it.

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I have this curly hair. They couldn't cut me bangs.

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But my sister had the exact same bangs right across

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the forehead. And she cheased super big in her pictures.

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That Chris Farley, you remember Chris Farley, how you cheese

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real big, that type of grin. She had a cute

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little nose on her and just a good, good little girl. Bill,

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like I said, was in his fifties and that big

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age gap of nance's sor of course, but you know,

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they found out a lot about him. He had served

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in Vietnam. He was in the army. He had reached

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the rank of sergeant. So this guy had military experience.

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It wasn't like he was some homeless bomb or something

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living on the streets. He was a thin guy, clean cut,

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and when he smiled, y'all, he had this one tooth

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in the front that was ever.

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So slightly crooked over the other tooth.

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But Nancy did not notice that because that was her

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beloved and he was perfect in her eyes. He would

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alternate between clean shaven and then sometimes he would have

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a longer beard, and I thought his beard was kind

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of cool looking. Because it was two toned. It was

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a brown beard that matched the hair on his head.

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But on either side of that beard there were perfect,

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two perfect white patches on either side of his chin,

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so it was kind of a unique look whenever he

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would grow that beard out. Now, looking at Nancy, Okay, no, lie,

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all right. Depending on the photo that you look at,

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she looks so much like the mother on that show

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Nineteen Kids in Counting. Y'all remember that show. If you

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want a visual about people, when I tell stories, Okay,

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my mind automatically builds this picture.

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It creates a person in my mind.

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And that's why I love giving y'all descriptions of people

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as I tell the story, so you can build it

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in your mind too and just kind of have a

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picture of what is going on as I tell it. Now, Nancy,

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she was twenty eight years old. She too had brown hair.

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She carried herself in a very natural appearance. She had

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that feathered out bangs look that was really common during

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the nineties. She had a prominent brown freckle on her

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lower left jaw and a very simple, simple look about her.

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She did not make much of a fuss in terms

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of her appearance. She was so proud too that she

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was Sarah's teacher. She was homeschooling her own daughter rather

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than sending her to traditional school, and so Nancy and

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her daughter followed bills every lead. And they were a

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very simple yet tight knit family. So that should kind

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of give you the feeling about what these people were like.

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So investigators, now seeing that the family was happy, were

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curious that if maybe the family had any enemies or

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any big conflict with anyone, maybe that could explain what

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was going on here. So they went through and they

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pulled the police records to see if there was anything

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that might stick out about this family.

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But nothing stood out.

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There was only one report that was made that did

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catch their attention, and this report was made in nineteen

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ninety five because while the family was away at one

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of those gun shows, their home was burglarized. Now, when

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I say burglarized, you know back then maybe a VCR

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would get stolen or a TV or something along those lines,

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but this was a pretty substantial burglary. The things that

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were stolen from them included coins because he also sold coins,

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very valuable ones at these gun shows. Cash was taken

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stacks of cash that he had and a lot of weaponry.

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The total loss of that burglary was upwards of fifty

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thousand dollars. However, it had remained unsolved. So while this

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was important to note that someone had been in their

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home without their knowledge, it didn't really help much. It

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could have just been a stroke of luck really that

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these burglars cashed out big time on this home. But

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for now, the missing family was on the radar of police,

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but really no word on their whereabouts. So we're going

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to fast forward now four months from the time that

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this really was investigated by police, and so it's now

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summer and we're in June, June twenty eighth to be exact,

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and out on the water of Lake Dardnell, which is

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in Pope County, a man and a woman were out fishing,

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just regular pastime. And Lake Dardnell, by the way, it's

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eighty miles eighty miles south of where the mull Er

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home would be. And this lake is huge, by the way,

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it's forty thousand acres. But it's also situated on a

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state park, so it's a very active place where this

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waterway is. People like to fish and hike and camp

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all that sort of thing. In this area, but there's

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also these tributaries that feed the lake in more rural

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areas of that waterway. So the woman that's on the

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boat is stoked when she hooks a big fish. I mean,

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both of them actually were super excited when she hooked

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this one. It was heavy and they weren't sure at

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one point, you know, is this a fish or not

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because of the weight of it. But either way, this

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was a good catch, and so she reeled and she

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reeled and she reeled. But when that fish finally broke

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the top of the water, she damn near.

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Fell out of the boat.

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But it wasn't because of this massive fight of the fish. No, No,

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it was because when the water tension broke and that

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fish came through the top, she realized she was not

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looking at a fish.

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She was looking at a human's leg.

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Two tennis shoes actually tied together, with the bone flapping out.

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Of the shoes.

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Now, this kind of stuff is more likely to happen

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in a scary movie than in real life.

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But this time, y'all, it was real.

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And it was shocking to see that, especially when you're

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expecting a fish. So they immediately pulled anchor. They headed

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to shore. They ran into the nearest convenience store, again

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before cell phones, and they called police, who arrived within minutes.

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So the police launch, they go out and they are

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able to locate the leg, and they immediately recognize that

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it was hardly intact. Okay, so when the phone call

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comes in, I'm sure it was oh my god, we

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pulled up a leg in a shoe. Well, the truth

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be told, it was really just the bone. It did

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have some flesh attached to it, and there were two

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shoes there, but the leg was not in good condition

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at all. They could tell primitively there that this was

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the leg of an adult female. So the sheriff decides

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to organize a thorough search of the water to try

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and recover the remainder of this woman's body. So the

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divers go down and they start searching. I have a

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friend that does this, by the way, I should have

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him one. Y'all talk to me. You think I should

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have him on because he has recovered many bodies underwater,

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and that to me is just freaky, but it's a

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job that we have to have. Unfortunately, But the divers

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go down and they're able to locate the body, so

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they come up with the body and then are baffled

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to realize that this is a whole different body. This

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is not the remainder of the body they were looking for.

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It's a whole different person. This body was of a

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young female child, so when she was brought up from

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her watery grave, the reality of what this child had

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been through was very It was kind of a stoic

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situation that everybody's looking and realizing that this was devastating

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what this kid had gone through. She was badly decomposed

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and her last moments on earth had to have been

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just pure torture because she still had a plastic bag

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duct taped around her little head. So who could have

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done this to this little girl? Who hurts a kid, y'all?

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Who does that?

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And not to mention, now, we've got a partial adult

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female's body that was pulled out of the water, So

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they weren't expecting this, but they continued to search for

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the remainder of that woman's body. When she was finally

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located and again brought her to the surface, much to

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their shock, again it wasn't that woman. It was another body.

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This body was one of an adult male. And I

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know you're like, damn, this must be a dumping ground,

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you know, of this highly used waterway.

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But yeah, that this was not the norm.

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This wasn't someplace where you know, the cartel's running around

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dumping bodies left and right. And they thought they were

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going to pull one woman out, and now they've pulled

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up two additional people. Again, this body was badly decomposed

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as well, but it was still wearing an army style jacket.

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So that body, although wearing a jacket and badly decomposed,

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the wrist of this male body held a big clue

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because still clicked around this bone of the arm was

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a handcuff. So what in the world was going on here?

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They did eventually find the remainder of the original female's

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body that they were trying to recover, and when they

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got her, it was determined that her hands had been

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zip tied together as well as her ankles, and that's

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why the shoes were still together. And her head was

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recovered again, she too had a bag still taped around

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her head. So the question then became, well, wait a minute,

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why did these bodies all remain at the bottom of

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the water, Because typically when you throw bodies in water,

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they will sink at first, I mean, because they're naturally

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more dense than water. But as decomposition begins, the bodies

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produce gas, they bloat, they swell, and that's when that

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increased buancy causes bodies to float to the surface. And

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that's typically when we find I had to use the

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word floaters, but that's what we find. But these three

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bodies had never floated to the top. They had remained

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at the muddy bottom. So why and how did this

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all go down? Well, the answer was simple. All of

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the bodies had large rocks attached to them. I don't

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want you to think a large rock like that fits

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in your fist I'm talking about. I would use the

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word boulder, I guess, but it's not a huge boulder

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off of a mountain, you know what I'm saying. It's

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that size rock, a big one. And clearly these rocks

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had been attached to them and used like an anchor

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to make them sink and hopefully whoever did this and

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wanted them to remain out of sight forever, but time

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was taken to do this. The large rocks were on

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the chests of the bodies, and then whoever did this

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had wrapped the arms of the victims around the big

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rocks like it was giving it a hug, and then

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they used tons of duct tape to wrap around the

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arms and the rocks and the body to make sure

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that it remained in place. But too bad decomposition did

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do its job, because the bodies started to fall apart

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and that plan ultimately failed. Not to mention that the

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fishermen really did a solid on this one by pulling

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up the woman's legs, My point in telling you that

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someone took the time to do this is because this

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was three people where a lot of time was taken,

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and preparation to kill these people was obvious. There were

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tools necessary to pull this off. Bags, duct tape, handcuffs,

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and zip ties. All of that is not something Those

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aren't items that are just going to be handy in

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like a surprise attack. Okay, and no one usually takes

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out a whole family in a surprise attack without further preparation. So,

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as you've surely assumed by this point, yes, the bodies

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were confirmed to be that of the entire Muller family.

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The remaining clothing that was on the bodies that I mentioned,

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plus dental record comparison, is how they were able to

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confirm it, so the coroner then would be the one

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to make the final determination as to their causes of death.

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Suffocation in and of itself is horrible enough, Okay, to

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suffocate with a bag over your head is just horrific.

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That's why they put it in scary movies, because no

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one wants to suffocate to death. But more evidence would

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be found that would point to torture of these people,

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specifically little Sarah. The findings of the coroner showed that

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this torture was done with something to the effect of

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an electric cattle prod while they were still alive. So

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this made the murders even more confusing, because first of all,

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who is the target?

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Was it Sarah?

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Was Sarah prodded with a cattle prod or was it

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the whole family that was a target? Or was Sarah

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just a unfortunate casualty along with her parents?

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You know, this was still up in the air.

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What I can tell you is that Sarah and Nancy,

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according to the reports, were not raped, so sexual motives

474
00:27:32.720 --> 00:27:35.799
seemed to be ruled out. Now I do question how

475
00:27:35.799 --> 00:27:39.720
they found that because this these bodies were badly decomposed,

476
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:41.559
but obviously it can be done, but I'm not going

477
00:27:41.599 --> 00:27:42.680
to spend a lot of time on that.

478
00:27:43.000 --> 00:27:44.640
It does. It is a question. In my mind.

479
00:27:45.480 --> 00:27:49.839
My assumption would be that your ligaments and some tissues

480
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:52.240
still remained, and so an eight year old girl would

481
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:54.559
be expected to have a hymen intact. And I'm sure

482
00:27:54.559 --> 00:27:56.119
that they could they could tell that if that was

483
00:27:56.279 --> 00:28:00.480
or not. But if at first you would think that

484
00:28:00.519 --> 00:28:03.039
this may have been sexual in nature, well it didn't

485
00:28:03.079 --> 00:28:06.079
seem to be. And so police were really stomped. Why

486
00:28:06.119 --> 00:28:11.599
were these people targeted and murdered? Well, friends and family

487
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:13.920
when they found out, they were in disbelief as this

488
00:28:14.039 --> 00:28:17.440
news broke, because a whole family was wiped.

489
00:28:17.160 --> 00:28:19.799
Out, and so they had no answers either.

490
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:22.440
They could not point any direction, They had nothing to

491
00:28:22.480 --> 00:28:23.920
say that this was.

492
00:28:24.000 --> 00:28:26.200
I don't know, expected to happen or something like that.

493
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:29.000
So police now had to determine their course of action

494
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:34.400
by identifying what were the concrete gnomes in this case.

495
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:37.880
So that's where they started. While all of these deaths

496
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:43.160
were horrible, killing kids is uncommon. Now you're like, well, damn, Kelly,

497
00:28:43.279 --> 00:28:45.480
you've been dropping episodes left and right where kids have

498
00:28:45.519 --> 00:28:49.240
been hurt. You're right, but it's not common, I assure you,

499
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:54.559
And it takes a very special type of monster to

500
00:28:54.559 --> 00:29:01.039
torture and kill a child and then to assumingly remain unaffected.

501
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:04.000
And I say this because no one had turned themselves

502
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:06.279
in due to regret and said, oh my god, I've

503
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.960
I heard this kid. This is a special type of monster.

504
00:29:10.759 --> 00:29:14.240
That's a known. Another known is that this was planned

505
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.759
and premeditated, like I said, because the bags and tape

506
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:21.440
and all that, it was not a surprise attack. Third,

507
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:27.400
the victims were restrained, all of them, and so this

508
00:29:27.519 --> 00:29:30.240
became a known to police in terms of their belief

509
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:33.559
that there had to be more than one suspect involved here,

510
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:38.079
because clearly the family wouldn't have just sat there as

511
00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:41.680
one person was restrained having bags put over their head,

512
00:29:42.039 --> 00:29:44.920
and then you know, watch their family members have bags

513
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.400
put over their head. I have a hard time, I'm

514
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:49.720
hard pressed to believe that they would just sit there

515
00:29:50.160 --> 00:29:51.519
and watch that happen.

516
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:52.920
Police agreed.

517
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:57.440
And also to that point, someone had to take the

518
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:00.480
time to hide the Muller's vehicle, meaning so someone else

519
00:30:00.559 --> 00:30:03.440
must have driven to that point while the car was

520
00:30:03.519 --> 00:30:07.079
hidden and then picked up whoever drove the Mueller's vehicle,

521
00:30:07.119 --> 00:30:09.680
Because they didn't drive two of cars at the same time.

522
00:30:09.720 --> 00:30:13.400
One person can't do that, so multiple suspects were believed

523
00:30:13.519 --> 00:30:17.720
to be a known here now victimology would also bring

524
00:30:17.759 --> 00:30:22.839
out additional lists of nons. Number one of the victimology

525
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:26.839
was that Bill was a well known gun dealer, so

526
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:32.200
his empty trailer to police now was believed to be

527
00:30:32.359 --> 00:30:37.480
either a robbery or a burglary or something along those lines.

528
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:43.240
Bill's dead. Bill didn't take his own shit. Another known

529
00:30:43.319 --> 00:30:47.359
victimology here is that lots of people that go to

530
00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:50.720
these gun shows back in the nineties, specifically because I

531
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:52.319
don't want to hurt anybody's feelings.

532
00:30:52.359 --> 00:30:54.480
I go to gun shows today. I love to go. Look,

533
00:30:54.799 --> 00:30:56.759
but back in the nineties.

534
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.720
There were some things that were kind of commonplace about

535
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:03.680
gun shows and people who frequent the frequented those and

536
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:08.440
that's that people from all over would travel to come

537
00:31:08.480 --> 00:31:11.480
to these shows, and they were more kind of sketch

538
00:31:11.839 --> 00:31:15.079
back then. They were sketchy types of events. I'm not

539
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:17.759
saying that the people were sketchy. I'm just saying the

540
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:21.160
way that these shows were kind of handled back then,

541
00:31:21.519 --> 00:31:24.960
it wasn't quite as legitimate as it is today in

542
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:29.160
terms of business I guess. So that meant that these

543
00:31:29.279 --> 00:31:31.559
victims would have come in contact, presumptively with a lot

544
00:31:31.559 --> 00:31:34.920
of people from a lot of places, and as such,

545
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.680
this would mean that the police needed a bigger, more

546
00:31:38.799 --> 00:31:43.400
broad netting of help be brought in. And since Bill

547
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:46.400
was a gun dealer, local police said, look, we've got

548
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.119
to involve the ATF in this alcohol, tobacco and firearms.

549
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:50.640
The ATF so.

550
00:31:50.680 --> 00:31:54.000
While they worked that angle, a warrant was also being

551
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:57.839
executed for the Mueller's home. But y'all, this would become

552
00:31:57.920 --> 00:32:03.680
a huge problem, all right. Remember by this point the

553
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.759
Mueller family had been missing for months and months and months.

554
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.279
It wasn't like days. Well, it turned out that the

555
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:15.759
Mullers did not own their home. They rented where they lived.

556
00:32:16.440 --> 00:32:18.960
And so this meant that whenever they had stopped paying

557
00:32:18.960 --> 00:32:22.599
their rent because obviously now they're dead, that months would

558
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:24.559
go by where they didn't pay their rent. Well, the

559
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:28.200
landlord who owned that property, he didn't know they were dead,

560
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:32.039
so he needed to be able to still make money. So,

561
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.799
as you can understand, I hope he cleaned out their

562
00:32:35.480 --> 00:32:40.119
belongings from the house. Now he was kind enough to

563
00:32:40.160 --> 00:32:42.160
not just throw it at the road. He did go

564
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:44.880
place all of their items in storage, but in terms

565
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.559
of a potential crime scene that was shot to hell.

566
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:51.000
He had rented out the property to somebody else. Can

567
00:32:51.039 --> 00:32:55.400
you imagine how disheartening that must have been for investigators?

568
00:32:55.440 --> 00:32:57.559
But I get it. You know, you've got to make money.

569
00:32:57.559 --> 00:32:59.680
These people could have just run away. Nobody knew at

570
00:32:59.680 --> 00:33:02.039
that time that they were dead and at the bottom

571
00:33:02.079 --> 00:33:05.079
of a lake. So while this was obviously a huge

572
00:33:05.079 --> 00:33:09.480
blow to the case, it's also a very sad reminder

573
00:33:10.480 --> 00:33:15.079
that the world keeps turning. Even when people's lives are

574
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:18.759
turned upside down, or even when people's world stop, the

575
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:24.240
world keeps turning. That said, investigators couldn't just quit.

576
00:33:24.799 --> 00:33:26.119
This is huge.

577
00:33:26.279 --> 00:33:29.640
Someone murdered a whole family, So they decided to go

578
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:34.400
get the belongings and moll through boxes and boxes of

579
00:33:34.480 --> 00:33:37.400
personal belongings to see could they drum up anything that

580
00:33:37.480 --> 00:33:41.880
might be of any lead value. So I will sum

581
00:33:41.880 --> 00:33:43.640
it up for you, because it took a long time

582
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.319
and there was a lot of shit they looked through.

583
00:33:45.759 --> 00:33:49.440
But what they did come upon was an empty case,

584
00:33:49.599 --> 00:33:52.720
like a storage case for a Colt forty five. And

585
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:55.400
I can't even say Colt forty five without wanting to

586
00:33:55.400 --> 00:33:58.759
sing COLT forty five and two zig zags, baby, that's

587
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:00.200
how we need so.

588
00:34:00.119 --> 00:34:01.640
I had to sing it for you. But that has

589
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:02.680
nothing to do with this case.

590
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:06.599
But that empty case of the CULT forty five did

591
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:10.679
become super important because there was a serial number on

592
00:34:10.840 --> 00:34:15.639
that case that would have gone with the missing gun. Okay, well,

593
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:18.960
remember I told you Bill was a legitimate dealer, federally licensed,

594
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.840
so that meant that a lot of his inventory was

595
00:34:23.039 --> 00:34:27.880
likely entered into what we call in CIC. Now you

596
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.079
may not be familiar with this, so just real quickly.

597
00:34:30.400 --> 00:34:33.519
In CIC is the National Crime Information Center, and this

598
00:34:33.599 --> 00:34:36.719
is a database that's used by law enforcement for a

599
00:34:36.840 --> 00:34:40.360
multitude of things. Typically in CIC we run to see

600
00:34:40.400 --> 00:34:42.679
if someone has a warrant or something like that, but

601
00:34:42.760 --> 00:34:46.960
it also could be used to potentially track firearms if

602
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.119
they were used in a crime, or if they showed

603
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:52.679
up at a pawn shop or something like that. So

604
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.000
investigators flagged that specific gun with that serial number, and

605
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.760
so if it showed up at a pawnshop or if

606
00:34:59.800 --> 00:35:01.800
it was I was using a crime, then it would

607
00:35:02.079 --> 00:35:06.159
ding the system. I guess ding isn't probably the legal term,

608
00:35:06.199 --> 00:35:09.360
but it would flash up and maybe then they could

609
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:12.880
reverse engineer and see where was that gun. Now, there

610
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:16.119
was nothing that came up at that moment, but they

611
00:35:16.119 --> 00:35:23.480
did it. In another box, they found tons of family photographs. Okay, well, great, okay,

612
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:27.320
whoopedie do? There were pictures of family and friends and

613
00:35:27.360 --> 00:35:32.360
all sorts of whatever. But one picture, to an investigator,

614
00:35:32.719 --> 00:35:35.440
stood out. And I'm almost grinning when I'm telling you this,

615
00:35:35.559 --> 00:35:37.719
because this is such good police work.

616
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:38.840
This is so good.

617
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.400
There was nothing about the photo that stood out as

618
00:35:43.480 --> 00:35:46.440
in terms of what the picture was. Okay, it was

619
00:35:46.480 --> 00:35:49.679
a picture of Bill with Sarah and just two other men.

620
00:35:50.519 --> 00:35:53.880
But the reason that the officer or the investigator really

621
00:35:54.360 --> 00:35:57.400
took note of it was because it was a much

622
00:35:57.679 --> 00:36:01.840
newer photo as compared to all of the other photos.

623
00:36:01.840 --> 00:36:03.000
They were a lot older.

624
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:08.280
Okay, and so these men in that investigator's mind, well,

625
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.519
since the pictures really of newer times, well then those

626
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:16.400
men must know the Mullers, or at least be more

627
00:36:16.599 --> 00:36:19.840
currently involved in their lives. That was the thought process there.

628
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:21.800
I don't even know if I would have thought that way,

629
00:36:22.039 --> 00:36:25.920
but this guy did. This investigator did, so he took

630
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:30.320
that picture as part of his evidence. So while they're

631
00:36:30.360 --> 00:36:33.079
looking at this and there's not much to really be

632
00:36:33.159 --> 00:36:36.360
looking at, a report came back from the crime lab.

633
00:36:37.360 --> 00:36:41.400
So during the autopsy, duct tape that had been placed

634
00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:46.360
around the family's mouths and around their heads, it had

635
00:36:46.440 --> 00:36:50.000
been sent for testing at the crime lab, and in

636
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:54.480
that duct tape, the crime lab found tiny little flakes

637
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:58.719
of blue paint stuck in the glue of the duct tape.

638
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:02.360
Now this is a very small ye because all it

639
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:04.679
really did in that moment was say, okay, well there's

640
00:37:05.079 --> 00:37:08.360
a paint color of a potential vehicle, maybe that the

641
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:12.519
body was the bodies were transported in. Not a huge,

642
00:37:12.719 --> 00:37:15.880
I guess find, but it is at least something blue. Okay,

643
00:37:16.039 --> 00:37:19.800
there had to be something blue involved here, but it

644
00:37:19.840 --> 00:37:25.039
would become very important because all paint has its own

645
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:30.079
chemical makeup, its own chemical compounding. So what they decided

646
00:37:30.119 --> 00:37:32.960
to do was to take that paint and submit.

647
00:37:32.639 --> 00:37:35.559
It to the FBI. Because the FBI was.

648
00:37:35.559 --> 00:37:39.440
Able to put that chemical compound into their database and

649
00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:43.679
identified that that blue paint was specific to a general

650
00:37:43.760 --> 00:37:46.800
motors vehicle. Well there were a lot of those around,

651
00:37:47.199 --> 00:37:51.360
but still again it was something to consider. So an

652
00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:55.079
additional month would pass when out of the blue, no

653
00:37:55.199 --> 00:38:00.840
pun intended, a hit came back in NCIC for that

654
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:05.239
missing cult forty five from that empty case. Where did

655
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:09.320
this hit come from? Well, that gun was found during

656
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:13.679
a typical traffic stop. So this traffic stop that was

657
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:17.239
done was on a man by the name of Travis

658
00:38:17.480 --> 00:38:22.280
Break And Travis, by the way, was no stranger to

659
00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.000
law enforcement.

660
00:38:23.039 --> 00:38:24.639
He was already a convicted felon.

661
00:38:24.800 --> 00:38:28.800
Well, newsflash here, convicted felons are not supposed to be

662
00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:31.480
in possession of a firearm. That's a big no no.

663
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:34.320
That's why we have a law called felon in possession

664
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.320
of a firearm. So when they found the gun during

665
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:41.320
the stop, it was put in the database. And now

666
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:43.360
not only did we have a felon in possession of

667
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:46.280
a firearm, but we have a felon in possession of

668
00:38:46.320 --> 00:38:50.519
a dead man's firearm. So obviously this guy had some

669
00:38:50.599 --> 00:38:55.239
explaining to do. How, sir, did you a felon come

670
00:38:55.280 --> 00:38:58.920
to be in possession of a presumed stolen gun from

671
00:38:58.920 --> 00:39:02.199
a dead man. So they went to the Seattle jail

672
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:06.519
and the ATF agents interviewed him, but he gave up

673
00:39:06.559 --> 00:39:10.000
a story like butta like he just started coming out

674
00:39:10.039 --> 00:39:13.440
with it. He said, look, yes, I did get this gun.

675
00:39:14.079 --> 00:39:17.800
I bought it from a private seller at a gun show. Well,

676
00:39:17.840 --> 00:39:21.199
obviously alarm bells are going off here, so they were like,

677
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:22.760
all right, well, tell us about it. Who did you

678
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.320
buy the gun from? And he was like, I don't

679
00:39:24.320 --> 00:39:26.320
know the guy's name. It was just a dude selling

680
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:29.920
a gun. But when he was pressed about this alleged

681
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.400
private seller, he said, look, I mean I can tell

682
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.800
you what the guy looked like. He didn't just say well,

683
00:39:34.800 --> 00:39:35.880
I don't know who it is. He said, I can

684
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:37.280
tell you what he looks like. They're like, all right,

685
00:39:37.280 --> 00:39:39.239
we'll do tell Then he said, all right, well he's

686
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:39.800
a white guy.

687
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:44.280
He was middle aged. And then the specifics he gave

688
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:46.599
where that the guy looked like a backwoods hillbilly.

689
00:39:48.199 --> 00:39:51.599
So they're like, okay, that's your description of the dude,

690
00:39:51.639 --> 00:39:53.360
a hillbilly, that's what you're gonna give us. He said, well,

691
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:54.880
hang on a second. The reason I'm telling you this

692
00:39:55.599 --> 00:39:59.119
is because when I bought the gun, the guy just

693
00:39:59.199 --> 00:40:01.599
did not look like he was from the Seattle area

694
00:40:01.679 --> 00:40:04.039
to me, which is where he bought the gun, because

695
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:05.960
of the way he was dressed. He didn't fit the

696
00:40:06.320 --> 00:40:09.840
bill I guess of what Seattle person would look like.

697
00:40:10.920 --> 00:40:14.199
And this, again, is gonna be another example of beautiful

698
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:18.280
police work because on a total hunch, nothing more than

699
00:40:18.320 --> 00:40:23.360
a just gut instinct by a good investigator, he pulled

700
00:40:23.400 --> 00:40:28.159
out the picture that he found of Bill and Sarah

701
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.280
and those two men, and he turned the picture around

702
00:40:31.280 --> 00:40:33.800
in front of Travis's brake and he said, was it,

703
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:38.039
by chance one of these men? So Travis looked it over,

704
00:40:38.719 --> 00:40:41.480
shook his head yes and said, yep, that's him.

705
00:40:42.119 --> 00:40:44.599
They said, are you sure? He nodded yes.

706
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:47.840
He was adamant that the guy on the far right

707
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:50.639
of the photo was the guy he bought the gun

708
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:53.679
from at a gun show. And you're like, okay, well, okay,

709
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:55.320
he bought the gun great from Bill.

710
00:40:55.239 --> 00:40:56.000
And it's perfect.

711
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:00.960
Here's the thing, guys, Bill was on the far left

712
00:41:01.440 --> 00:41:05.480
of the picture. So investigators now felt like they had

713
00:41:05.480 --> 00:41:08.880
a suspect. It's this unknown man on the far right.

714
00:41:09.719 --> 00:41:12.239
The thing was, they had no clue who he was.

715
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.079
So they went to a more grassroots movement here. They

716
00:41:17.119 --> 00:41:20.000
started knocking on doors. They were asking people in this

717
00:41:20.079 --> 00:41:23.239
tight knit community where of the Muellers came from. Do

718
00:41:23.320 --> 00:41:27.000
you recognize this man by any chance, And sure enough

719
00:41:27.760 --> 00:41:30.760
someone recognized him and was able to give a first

720
00:41:31.039 --> 00:41:31.800
and last.

721
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:34.119
Name of this man. He said, Yeah, I know that guy.

722
00:41:34.199 --> 00:41:35.840
That's Kirby Keyho.

723
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:40.880
Jim.

724
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:43.519
Did you see what happened in Texas today? Wait before

725
00:41:43.559 --> 00:41:45.840
you tell me that, let me tell you what happened

726
00:41:45.840 --> 00:41:46.480
in New York.

727
00:41:46.599 --> 00:41:48.440
It cannot be as crazy as the case I told

728
00:41:48.440 --> 00:41:50.000
you about yesterday in Louisiana.

729
00:41:50.159 --> 00:41:52.920
You know what, we should do a podcast about it,

730
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:54.559
and with that we did.

731
00:41:54.800 --> 00:41:57.400
Crime Wire Weekly covers the crime news headlines that have

732
00:41:57.480 --> 00:42:01.320
dominated the week. We cover trending crime from all over

733
00:42:01.360 --> 00:42:05.079
the country and even sprinkle in a few globally. Crime

734
00:42:05.079 --> 00:42:08.400
War Weekly is available now wherever you listen to your podcasts,

735
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:12.199
simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link

736
00:42:12.400 --> 00:42:23.000
in the description of this podcast. So Kirby Keyhoe, tall,

737
00:42:23.119 --> 00:42:27.320
white man, thin build, He had a beard and a mustache,

738
00:42:27.639 --> 00:42:32.559
and he does fit the hillbilly vibe. Now he was married, though,

739
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:36.199
he was married to his wife named Gloria, And so

740
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:39.760
the connection between the couples at this point was actually

741
00:42:39.880 --> 00:42:44.599
really easily made because the Muellers were living in close

742
00:42:44.599 --> 00:42:49.079
proximity of their friends the key Hose and Gloria Keyhoe

743
00:42:49.480 --> 00:42:54.400
and Nancy Mueller were friends. Matter of fact, the key

744
00:42:54.440 --> 00:42:59.280
Hoose babysat Little Sarah, so the connection was easy to

745
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:02.039
make once someone gave the name. So you're thinking, okay, well, great,

746
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:05.840
that's not a huge lead. But there was another element

747
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:10.920
to Kirby that had him already on the FBI's radar,

748
00:43:11.400 --> 00:43:14.559
and he had been for a while because just a

749
00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:18.920
lot much like Bill, he was a very anti government

750
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:21.719
person and he too believed in living off of the grid.

751
00:43:22.079 --> 00:43:22.880
But here's the.

752
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:31.199
Kicker about Kirby. He was also an extreme white supremacy extremist.

753
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:33.159
I know, I use the word twice, but he was

754
00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:38.920
an extremist and believed in the white power movement. He

755
00:43:39.039 --> 00:43:42.440
also had a criminal record and he had a very

756
00:43:42.519 --> 00:43:47.760
violent side. So this guy, he was someone they wanted

757
00:43:47.760 --> 00:43:52.079
to pay attention to. The entire keyho family may have

758
00:43:52.159 --> 00:43:54.880
looked like a bunch of ignorant ass Hillbillies, okay, but

759
00:43:55.000 --> 00:44:02.400
they operated much like a crime syndicate, a plethora of violence, thefts,

760
00:44:02.880 --> 00:44:06.519
racketeering type charges amongst all of them.

761
00:44:07.239 --> 00:44:09.480
So in July of nineteen ninety.

762
00:44:09.199 --> 00:44:13.360
Six, the FBI was really focusing in on Kirby Kiho.

763
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.280
But they really had no proof of anything to do

764
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:20.039
with like the Muller's murder, but they did decide to

765
00:44:20.039 --> 00:44:26.400
put him under a continual surveillance because of his extremist ways. Now,

766
00:44:26.400 --> 00:44:29.320
in the meantime that that is going on, we're gonna

767
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:33.239
have to shoot eight hundred miles away to another state,

768
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:38.320
and that's South Dakota. So in South Dakota, a state

769
00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:42.159
trooper is again doing his regular duties during his shift,

770
00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.360
and he affects a traffic stop. I guess I really

771
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:47.880
shouldn't say traffic stop because he didn't pull the guy over.

772
00:44:47.960 --> 00:44:49.960
It turns out there was a man sleeping in his

773
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:54.400
vehicle when it caught the trooper's attention, and so he

774
00:44:54.480 --> 00:44:59.000
pulled over behind the car and he approached with extreme caution.

775
00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.199
Now why am I saying he approached with extreme caution. Well,

776
00:45:02.280 --> 00:45:05.480
I'd be lying if I didn't say that the trooper

777
00:45:06.639 --> 00:45:10.599
noticed a whole bunch of white supremacy propaganda in terms

778
00:45:10.679 --> 00:45:13.360
of like a bumper sticker and stuff like that. It

779
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:17.719
was on the vehicle as he approached. Now, I want

780
00:45:17.719 --> 00:45:19.760
to tell you something right now. I know race is hard.

781
00:45:19.800 --> 00:45:21.840
People don't like talking about race. But I'm gonna tell

782
00:45:21.880 --> 00:45:25.119
you this, I don't care if I'm a white person.

783
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:29.800
If I am approaching in a law enforcement setting, someone

784
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:34.239
who appears to be a white supremacist, I'm not comfortable.

785
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:38.440
Me being a white cop does not make me more comfortable.

786
00:45:39.119 --> 00:45:43.880
Why because these types of people are often going to

787
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:49.079
be promoting this Nazi white power crap, but they're very

788
00:45:49.360 --> 00:45:52.960
anti government, and so that means even if you're white,

789
00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:58.599
if you're a cop, they don't like you. So just

790
00:45:58.639 --> 00:46:01.159
be you know, that doesn't make any one rest easier,

791
00:46:01.320 --> 00:46:02.679
even if you're of the same race.

792
00:46:03.360 --> 00:46:04.599
And history matters here.

793
00:46:04.639 --> 00:46:07.280
Okay, And this is why I brought up that y'all

794
00:46:07.360 --> 00:46:09.760
might want to go watch that documentary. It's gonna be loosely,

795
00:46:09.920 --> 00:46:12.480
but it's gonna be tied to this episode. It's because

796
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:15.440
at this timeframe, I want you to remember that the

797
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:19.159
Siege at Waco was still a very fresh event. Now,

798
00:46:19.199 --> 00:46:21.360
if you're younger, you may not know this, but the

799
00:46:21.400 --> 00:46:24.559
Siege at Waco was huge, and if you're a history person,

800
00:46:24.599 --> 00:46:25.920
go check it out. If you don't know about it,

801
00:46:25.840 --> 00:46:29.639
it's really an interesting story. But if you're not. Briefly,

802
00:46:29.639 --> 00:46:32.440
I'm going to tell you the siege at Waco was

803
00:46:32.519 --> 00:46:35.960
a group of these It's a religious group that was

804
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.280
very anti government and they ended up having a shootout

805
00:46:39.639 --> 00:46:43.440
with the FBI and it was a huge ordeal nationally.

806
00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:45.480
But go research it if you want to know more.

807
00:46:46.199 --> 00:46:50.840
That said, these white power anti government people were known

808
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:55.599
threats to law enforcement, and this trooper was on high

809
00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.119
alert because of all of that propaganda that he saw.

810
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:03.159
Approached and he knocked on the window and he woke

811
00:47:03.280 --> 00:47:06.039
up the sleeping man that was inside of the vehicle.

812
00:47:06.360 --> 00:47:09.599
So once the guy woke up, he wanted identification. And

813
00:47:09.679 --> 00:47:14.639
this guy's name was Sean Haynes. Now Sean is this young,

814
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:18.480
punk looking dude, shaved head, but he's got that that

815
00:47:18.639 --> 00:47:22.400
beard that's under the under the chin and kind of

816
00:47:22.440 --> 00:47:24.519
has like a skinhead look about him.

817
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:26.159
Well not kind of, he does.

818
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:30.199
So while they're this trooper's talking to him, he says, hey,

819
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:31.679
do you have any guns in the car?

820
00:47:31.880 --> 00:47:33.039
And the driver says yes.

821
00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:38.280
So when we asked that question, I'm kind of expecting

822
00:47:38.320 --> 00:47:40.199
you'd be like, oh, yeah, I have my pistol.

823
00:47:40.199 --> 00:47:42.320
Or I have you know, like a three eighty ors

824
00:47:42.639 --> 00:47:43.840
whatever in my glove box.

825
00:47:44.480 --> 00:47:49.000
What they were not expecting was a Bushmaster AR fifteen.

826
00:47:50.079 --> 00:47:52.599
So whenever he said, yeah, I've got this gun, they

827
00:47:52.679 --> 00:47:55.559
ran it through that NCIC and wouldn't you know, it

828
00:47:55.639 --> 00:47:59.159
came back as stolen. Not only was it stolen, but

829
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:04.239
it was one that was in Bill Mueller's collection. So

830
00:48:04.360 --> 00:48:08.159
based on this, Sean Hans was arrested and guess what,

831
00:48:08.239 --> 00:48:13.800
he drove a blue suburban. So atf is at this

832
00:48:13.880 --> 00:48:17.719
point thinking, bingo get some paint samples, send it off

833
00:48:17.719 --> 00:48:20.559
to the crime lab, and so they did just that

834
00:48:20.679 --> 00:48:22.159
to see if it matched the paint from the Mueller

835
00:48:22.239 --> 00:48:26.039
duct tape. But a strange turn of events, there were

836
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:29.199
results were that it was not a match. It just

837
00:48:29.360 --> 00:48:33.480
was coincidence that this was in blue vehicle. But either way,

838
00:48:33.840 --> 00:48:36.639
while he was in custody, he had some explaining to do.

839
00:48:36.840 --> 00:48:40.360
Why are you in possession of this vehicle? And he

840
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:43.559
readily fessed up where he got it from. He said,

841
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:47.679
I met a man at a motel in Washington State.

842
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.840
He identified it as the Shadow Motel and he said,

843
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.360
while there, I traded rifles with this guy at the

844
00:48:54.400 --> 00:49:01.000
motel and the guy had introduced himself as Keyho. But

845
00:49:01.199 --> 00:49:06.119
through further iding, they would realize investigators would realize it

846
00:49:06.239 --> 00:49:08.599
was not Kirby Keyo that.

847
00:49:08.880 --> 00:49:09.760
He was dealing with.

848
00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:16.119
It was his twenty one year old son, Chevy Keyho. Now,

849
00:49:16.199 --> 00:49:20.679
Chevy and Kirby had a very unique relationship because he

850
00:49:20.920 --> 00:49:28.039
openly admitted that Chevy was his favorite son. What kind

851
00:49:28.079 --> 00:49:31.559
of parent would let all of his kids know, I

852
00:49:31.559 --> 00:49:34.800
don't like you that much that one's my favorite. I'll

853
00:49:34.880 --> 00:49:39.079
just say that. But Chevy acted most like his father.

854
00:49:39.599 --> 00:49:46.159
He embraced that extreme white supremacist lifestyle where aggression and

855
00:49:46.280 --> 00:49:49.840
violence and fear were taught to him as the ways

856
00:49:49.840 --> 00:49:53.480
of life, and he really embraced that teaching. And he

857
00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:57.280
too was short tempered. This guy was not a joke. Okay,

858
00:49:57.599 --> 00:50:04.079
He was committing burglary, extortion, He promoted hate crimes, all

859
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:06.119
of which his father was very proud of.

860
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:10.320
His son was following in his stead as sick as

861
00:50:10.320 --> 00:50:10.719
That is.

862
00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:15.719
So, basically, they had formed an enterprise known as the

863
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:21.239
Aryan People's Republic and Chevy was the ringleader of all

864
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:21.519
of this.

865
00:50:22.519 --> 00:50:23.880
So what was this all about?

866
00:50:23.920 --> 00:50:28.039
Well, they believed that whites were the chosen race and

867
00:50:28.079 --> 00:50:35.199
that the Bible justified violence. So the group also had

868
00:50:35.199 --> 00:50:39.199
this belief overall that if they could kill a large

869
00:50:39.320 --> 00:50:44.519
number of judges and police officers, then this mass chaos

870
00:50:44.519 --> 00:50:47.679
would ensue. And in that mass chaos, since all of

871
00:50:47.679 --> 00:50:50.760
the people that have quote unquote the power judges and cops,

872
00:50:51.199 --> 00:50:54.719
I guess during that chaos they would be able to

873
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.159
assume control of the population because there weren't those people

874
00:50:59.239 --> 00:51:03.559
in power to do anything about it. Their goal here

875
00:51:04.159 --> 00:51:08.760
was that racial purity was of the utmost importance, and

876
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.440
that's how they were going to establish it that. I'm

877
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.360
going to leave that right there for now, but it's

878
00:51:13.400 --> 00:51:16.760
going to matter here towards the end of this story. Okay,

879
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:21.280
But once police were able to identify Chevy Keyho as

880
00:51:21.320 --> 00:51:25.119
now a prime suspect, they were having a really, really

881
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:27.800
hard time finding him. Why because he lived off the

882
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:30.679
grid like his dad, He bounced around. He did not

883
00:51:30.800 --> 00:51:34.679
have any formal documentation like a driver's license or a

884
00:51:35.079 --> 00:51:37.000
or a deed to a house or anything that would

885
00:51:37.000 --> 00:51:42.000
locate him and to boot Kirby. Keyho had spent a

886
00:51:42.039 --> 00:51:45.400
lot of time teaching all of his children how to

887
00:51:45.440 --> 00:51:48.880
evade police since they were little, so this guy was

888
00:51:48.920 --> 00:51:52.800
pretty good at not getting caught. So the state, local,

889
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:55.800
and federal agencies were all now combining their efforts to

890
00:51:55.920 --> 00:51:58.119
look for Chevy. And I want to give you kind

891
00:51:58.119 --> 00:52:01.559
of a time stamp here. It's now been eighteen months

892
00:52:01.599 --> 00:52:07.400
since the Mullers were murdered. So Ohio state troopers. They

893
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:11.519
were out doing their typical duties when a trooper noticed

894
00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:15.800
a blue suburban that was slowly weaving in and out

895
00:52:15.840 --> 00:52:19.800
of traffic and it wasn't proper lane usage. And so

896
00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.119
I want to point out here that this constant theme

897
00:52:23.519 --> 00:52:26.960
of officers and state troopers just doing their regular tasks

898
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:30.119
and that turning into great findings. I hope you're seeing

899
00:52:30.159 --> 00:52:32.440
this and this is all over that this has happened

900
00:52:32.480 --> 00:52:37.039
in different states. Ohio, they were in I think the Carolinas.

901
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:40.519
They were just all about in different states. So this

902
00:52:40.599 --> 00:52:43.719
trooper pulls over that vehicle and as he's approaching it,

903
00:52:43.800 --> 00:52:47.280
he notices that there are two occupants inside the car,

904
00:52:47.679 --> 00:52:51.519
and both of those men were dressed in military style clothing.

905
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:56.119
And I want to tell you that I know people

906
00:52:56.159 --> 00:52:58.760
get butt hurt whenever I use the word profiling. I

907
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:00.920
had people leave me bad review because I talked about

908
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:05.760
profiling in a story before. Profiling is part of life, Okay,

909
00:53:06.159 --> 00:53:08.519
when you're looking at a vehicle and you're approaching it.

910
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.199
You're profiling this person by looking at their bumper stickers.

911
00:53:12.760 --> 00:53:15.840
You're profiling people when you look at their clothing. You're

912
00:53:15.880 --> 00:53:19.920
profiling people. If you notice cauliflowered ears, which tells you

913
00:53:19.960 --> 00:53:21.920
that they're a fighter. You know what I'm saying, You're

914
00:53:21.960 --> 00:53:25.000
kind of learning about people and creating a profile about

915
00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.639
what they might be about. Well, all of these things

916
00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.280
are considered during traffic stops too, because they are going

917
00:53:31.360 --> 00:53:34.480
to tell you a story that may not be told. Well,

918
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:39.960
back to this white supremacy propaganda bumper sticker stuff. Military

919
00:53:40.000 --> 00:53:44.559
clothing combined with white supremacy bumper stickers tells you this

920
00:53:44.719 --> 00:53:47.679
might be a hostile person that you're dealing with. So

921
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.519
the trooper whenever he approached he asked them, hey, do

922
00:53:51.559 --> 00:53:54.719
you have any weapons in the vehicle? And the driver's

923
00:53:54.719 --> 00:53:58.280
response was lots of them. But it wasn't like yeah

924
00:53:58.280 --> 00:54:00.199
I got a lot of guns, no, no, no, This

925
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:03.760
was in an antagonistic bravado type of.

926
00:54:03.719 --> 00:54:06.639
Way, yeah I got lots of them. Right.

927
00:54:07.079 --> 00:54:11.000
Well, for officer safety, based on this tone that he's getting,

928
00:54:11.280 --> 00:54:12.599
he says, why don't you go ahead and step out

929
00:54:12.639 --> 00:54:14.760
of the vehicle. And let's go to the rear of

930
00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:18.199
the car so that we can talk. It's smart. Let's

931
00:54:18.199 --> 00:54:20.280
get him away from these guns, because he seems.

932
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:23.199
Super proud that he's got him well.

933
00:54:23.280 --> 00:54:26.719
Immediately, the driver starts yelling at the officer, I know

934
00:54:26.840 --> 00:54:27.480
my rights.

935
00:54:27.840 --> 00:54:30.000
I don't want to be violated, blah blah blah blah

936
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:31.039
blah blah blah.

937
00:54:31.199 --> 00:54:34.239
So, while the trooper's trying to maintain control of the situation,

938
00:54:34.800 --> 00:54:39.639
calmed the guy down, the driver tears off, running now

939
00:54:39.760 --> 00:54:43.920
back to his car, and a struggle ensues. While the

940
00:54:43.920 --> 00:54:46.360
officer is now struggling with this driver, he doesn't know

941
00:54:46.400 --> 00:54:48.599
what he's got, what he's going for, what's going on.

942
00:54:49.079 --> 00:54:52.960
The passenger jumps out of the vehicle. He doesn't wait

943
00:54:53.079 --> 00:54:56.000
five seconds before he pulls out a gun and he

944
00:54:56.079 --> 00:55:00.760
starts opening fire on this officer that's already fire the driver.

945
00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:04.639
And this is all at very very close range. This

946
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:09.199
becomes an absolute firefight for life. But there's nowhere to

947
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:12.079
go because there's just the car between them, and cars

948
00:55:12.119 --> 00:55:14.480
don't stop bullets. Maybe if you can get behind the

949
00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:17.039
engine block, you might could take some cover, possibly, but

950
00:55:17.159 --> 00:55:20.320
this is just an all out, just shootout within very

951
00:55:20.320 --> 00:55:27.000
close proximity, so as that passenger is unloading on this cop, obviously,

952
00:55:27.039 --> 00:55:31.480
he tries to defend himself and create distance. That gives

953
00:55:31.519 --> 00:55:34.840
time for the driver to run and jump back in

954
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.280
the car, and he speeds off in the car, but

955
00:55:38.360 --> 00:55:40.800
he takes off before the passenger is.

956
00:55:40.800 --> 00:55:43.679
Able to jump back in, but he's shooting.

957
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:47.079
So while the car takes off, the officer even and

958
00:55:47.239 --> 00:55:49.239
because I watched the video, I'll put it on Patreon.

959
00:55:50.119 --> 00:55:53.119
But the driver's taking off the cop. He's even trying

960
00:55:53.159 --> 00:55:55.239
to stop him. As he's driving off, almost runs over

961
00:55:55.280 --> 00:55:57.880
the cop, but the car gets away. The cop is

962
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:02.480
now retreating to create distance, and shooter passenger retreats.

963
00:56:02.039 --> 00:56:03.760
Into the woodline.

964
00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:07.000
So obviously city police are now on high alert. They're

965
00:56:07.039 --> 00:56:10.119
searching for the suburban and they are quickly able to

966
00:56:10.159 --> 00:56:13.480
locate it in an industrial area nearby.

967
00:56:14.239 --> 00:56:17.920
So the cops get out. Clearly, they're very alert.

968
00:56:17.800 --> 00:56:23.159
And as they approach the vehicle unprovoked, shots start ringing

969
00:56:23.199 --> 00:56:27.480
out again and they are now in another shootout from

970
00:56:27.519 --> 00:56:32.800
that same vehicle. Thirty two rounds were exchanged in this

971
00:56:33.079 --> 00:56:36.079
very short period of time. And just to give you

972
00:56:36.119 --> 00:56:38.559
some if you're not one that's familiar, I want to

973
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:42.760
tell you this my glock, it holds seventeen total rounds.

974
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:44.880
There's sixteen in the magazine and one in the chamber,

975
00:56:45.239 --> 00:56:49.760
So thirty two rounds were exchanged by this driver. And

976
00:56:49.920 --> 00:56:52.320
how does something like a movie? And I hate to

977
00:56:52.400 --> 00:56:55.719
keep saying that, but it's true. They're shooting back and forth.

978
00:56:55.800 --> 00:56:59.840
He drops down, rolls under his vehicle and is able

979
00:56:59.880 --> 00:57:03.039
to roll out the other side, and he gets away

980
00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:08.840
on foot because they're steadily exchanging gunfire. The only person

981
00:57:09.159 --> 00:57:12.079
that I found was injured in this shootout was a

982
00:57:12.079 --> 00:57:15.239
poor bystander who just happened to be in the area,

983
00:57:15.360 --> 00:57:18.039
by the way, and he was shot in the arm

984
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:24.920
during all of this volley of gunfire exchange. So the

985
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:28.440
driver gets away. The vehicle has been abandoned though, because

986
00:57:28.440 --> 00:57:30.239
he rolled under it and he took off. So now

987
00:57:30.280 --> 00:57:33.039
that the shooting has stopped, cops go and approach the

988
00:57:33.039 --> 00:57:36.639
gun the car to go see if there's anything in it. Well,

989
00:57:36.639 --> 00:57:39.599
they find that it is full of guns and ammunition.

990
00:57:40.480 --> 00:57:44.280
But guess what else was in there? They find FBI

991
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:54.159
raid jackets, FBI baseball caps, bulletproof vests, holsters, handcuffs, you

992
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:58.760
name it. So why the hell is this car full

993
00:57:58.800 --> 00:58:03.679
of FBI gear. Who the hell is doing this? And

994
00:58:03.840 --> 00:58:07.559
they're really focused into on this vehicle that's blue. Again,

995
00:58:07.960 --> 00:58:10.760
the paint samples of this vehicle are taken to compare

996
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:14.119
to that duct tape impossibly the Muller's case, and it's

997
00:58:14.119 --> 00:58:18.159
not a match. So the video of that shootout, which

998
00:58:18.199 --> 00:58:22.039
I mentioned that portions of it were released to the media,

999
00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:27.639
does anybody recognize the shooter or the shooters? Well, that

1000
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.360
included the video being sent to a TV station in

1001
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:32.840
spoken Washington.

1002
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:34.360
So here's another state.

1003
00:58:35.280 --> 00:58:40.559
And in an absolutely crazy turn of events, one of

1004
00:58:40.599 --> 00:58:45.079
the producers of that TV station had worked on a

1005
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:51.119
documentary in the recent history and that documentary was focused

1006
00:58:51.159 --> 00:58:55.159
on the white power movement in the US. Well, guess

1007
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:58.639
what the driver that was on the news right now

1008
00:58:58.719 --> 00:59:02.920
is the shootout he racked him. He recognized that driver

1009
00:59:03.199 --> 00:59:06.159
as one of the very white supremacists that was in

1010
00:59:06.199 --> 00:59:08.719
the documentary that he worked on, and he was able

1011
00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:13.599
to id him as Chevy Keyho, the son of Kirby Keyhoe.

1012
00:59:14.559 --> 00:59:19.159
So now Arkansas police are heavily looking for Kirby Keyhoe

1013
00:59:19.760 --> 00:59:22.760
because they want to see what he might know about

1014
00:59:22.760 --> 00:59:26.400
his son. Now in this shootout, and so they want

1015
00:59:26.400 --> 00:59:28.719
to know, Hey, what's going on? Do you know anything

1016
00:59:28.760 --> 00:59:30.480
about your son? And why is he trying to kill

1017
00:59:30.679 --> 00:59:32.880
all of our cops. They also, in the back of

1018
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:35.639
their minds felt like he may know something again about

1019
00:59:35.679 --> 00:59:38.760
the Muller murders. So the police were able to find him,

1020
00:59:39.360 --> 00:59:42.400
but they were very tactical in their approach of him

1021
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:47.599
because they never brought up the Muller murders, not one time.

1022
00:59:48.440 --> 00:59:52.760
All they brought up was the traffic stop and these shootouts.

1023
00:59:54.559 --> 00:59:57.760
So when they showed him the video of the shootout,

1024
00:59:58.519 --> 01:00:04.079
Dad Kirby Keyho does id one of the shooters, but

1025
01:00:04.199 --> 01:00:12.400
guess what he id'd the passenger, the unknown passenger, and refused,

1026
01:00:13.039 --> 01:00:17.480
fled out, actually denied even knowing the driver of the vehicle,

1027
01:00:17.519 --> 01:00:20.440
but police already knew who the driver was, his favorite son,

1028
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:26.360
Chevy Keyhoe, but he instead identified the passenger. But do

1029
01:00:26.400 --> 01:00:35.000
you know who the passenger was, Shane Keyho, his other son. Basically,

1030
01:00:35.639 --> 01:00:38.559
this guy what a piece of work. This guy would

1031
01:00:38.559 --> 01:00:41.119
not give up his favorite son's name, but he was

1032
01:00:41.480 --> 01:00:44.039
willing to do a favor for the police without knowing it,

1033
01:00:44.280 --> 01:00:46.760
and he gave up his less favorite son's name. So

1034
01:00:46.880 --> 01:00:49.199
now police knew not only who the shooter was, of

1035
01:00:49.239 --> 01:00:51.559
the passenger, but also of the driver.

1036
01:00:51.960 --> 01:00:54.559
Well done, Kirby Jesus all right.

1037
01:00:54.599 --> 01:00:58.000
So the FBI and the ATF now were involved together,

1038
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:01.000
and we are now in March of nine, eighteen ninety seven.

1039
01:01:01.760 --> 01:01:05.119
They throw up a sixty thousand dollars reward for any

1040
01:01:05.159 --> 01:01:11.079
information leading to the Keyho brother's arrest. Well, money talks, baby, okay,

1041
01:01:11.360 --> 01:01:16.639
because before that could even happen, Shane Keho, that was

1042
01:01:16.679 --> 01:01:19.239
the brother in the passenger side that the dad gave up.

1043
01:01:20.159 --> 01:01:26.079
He walks in and turns himself in to Washington police.

1044
01:01:26.360 --> 01:01:29.440
He walks in and says, I want to surrender and

1045
01:01:29.559 --> 01:01:33.639
I also want to give you some information. So this

1046
01:01:33.679 --> 01:01:36.199
is eye opening. What in the hell you're willing to

1047
01:01:36.199 --> 01:01:38.239
be in a shootout five minutes ago? Not really, you know,

1048
01:01:38.239 --> 01:01:39.840
you're willing to be in a shootout and possibly kill

1049
01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:43.000
the police, and now you're willing to just walk in

1050
01:01:43.719 --> 01:01:44.960
and turn yourself into us.

1051
01:01:45.000 --> 01:01:47.719
What the hell is that about? Well, it was simple.

1052
01:01:48.800 --> 01:01:52.800
Shane Keyho was scared out of his mind, but not

1053
01:01:52.840 --> 01:01:56.159
of getting caught by the police. He was more afraid

1054
01:01:56.400 --> 01:02:00.920
of his own brother killing him. Like what, you were

1055
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:03.719
just willing to die for him. You're willing to kill

1056
01:02:03.760 --> 01:02:06.320
for him? Why are you so afraid of him? And

1057
01:02:06.440 --> 01:02:10.400
that is when Shane says, no, I'm scared of him

1058
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:15.039
now because he's been acting more and more crazy. His

1059
01:02:15.119 --> 01:02:18.440
behavior has become super erratic, and I'm afraid he's gonna

1060
01:02:18.519 --> 01:02:22.320
kill me because he admitted to me that he was

1061
01:02:22.360 --> 01:02:28.239
involved in the Muller's murders. So this now laid that

1062
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:32.760
wide open. So there he was so afraid by the way,

1063
01:02:32.760 --> 01:02:33.760
I want to I want to give this little bit

1064
01:02:33.760 --> 01:02:36.440
of information too. He was so afraid of his brother.

1065
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:38.920
The way that he got away from him was in

1066
01:02:39.000 --> 01:02:43.320
the middle of the night. Once, once Chevy fell asleep,

1067
01:02:43.800 --> 01:02:47.599
Shane stole his brother's truck and drove away in the

1068
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:50.159
middle of the night to go turn himself in.

1069
01:02:50.800 --> 01:02:51.960
That's how afraid he was.

1070
01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.719
Now, the truck that he stole from his brother was

1071
01:02:55.760 --> 01:02:59.039
a white truck, but he says, yeah, it's a white truck.

1072
01:02:59.079 --> 01:03:01.119
But that's when he had mist The police look, it's

1073
01:03:01.159 --> 01:03:04.000
recently been painted, so they look. Police are like, wait

1074
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.559
a minute, well what color was it originally? You already know,

1075
01:03:07.000 --> 01:03:10.880
you already know, guys, it was blue. So the FBI

1076
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:15.400
took the paint, they sent it to the to be matched,

1077
01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:20.039
and guess what, it absolutely matched the paint makeup of

1078
01:03:20.119 --> 01:03:22.719
the flex that were in the duct tape of the Mullers.

1079
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:27.079
So now we're really starting to get somewhere. He also

1080
01:03:27.159 --> 01:03:31.960
told police that his brother had gotten ten thousand dollars

1081
01:03:32.000 --> 01:03:37.559
in straight up cash from the Mueller's home after they

1082
01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:41.639
were murdered. He then used that cash to buy the

1083
01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:47.440
very motor home that he was living in. So Shane

1084
01:03:47.480 --> 01:03:52.079
is now turned in and admitted all of this stuff,

1085
01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:56.400
and so police do charge him with numerous felonies attempted

1086
01:03:56.480 --> 01:03:59.480
murder because of the shootouts with the Leo's, and he

1087
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:01.719
didn't care. He just wanted to be safe from his

1088
01:04:01.760 --> 01:04:04.719
own brother. He even gave up the location of his

1089
01:04:04.760 --> 01:04:07.400
brother as well as other people that were in his family.

1090
01:04:08.280 --> 01:04:11.239
He said, look, they're on a ranch, they're working as

1091
01:04:11.320 --> 01:04:14.920
ranch hands, they are very heavily armed, and I'm telling

1092
01:04:14.960 --> 01:04:17.920
you they're getting more unstable by the minute. So this

1093
01:04:18.079 --> 01:04:21.119
was some greatly needed information. But now police had to

1094
01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:24.079
get a plan together to try to I guess lure

1095
01:04:24.199 --> 01:04:27.679
Chevy away from the ranch and presumably that cachet of

1096
01:04:27.719 --> 01:04:30.880
weapons that he had at his disposal.

1097
01:04:31.719 --> 01:04:35.320
So they approached the ranch owner, who had.

1098
01:04:35.119 --> 01:04:39.440
No clue how dangerous these people were that he had

1099
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:41.440
hired to work for him, not a clue.

1100
01:04:42.159 --> 01:04:43.119
That's kind of scary too.

1101
01:04:43.159 --> 01:04:46.840
He invited these people into his livelihood, they knew his family,

1102
01:04:47.159 --> 01:04:50.480
He had no idea who they were, and so when

1103
01:04:50.519 --> 01:04:52.400
he was advised of the danger that was posed, he

1104
01:04:52.440 --> 01:04:53.840
was like, hell, yeah, I'm gonna work with you. I

1105
01:04:53.840 --> 01:04:55.760
want him out of here too, and so he decided

1106
01:04:55.800 --> 01:04:58.480
to work with law enforcement. The plan to take him

1107
01:04:58.480 --> 01:05:01.519
down was a really simple one. On June seventeenth of

1108
01:05:01.599 --> 01:05:05.079
nineteen ninety seven, the ranch owner sent Chevy to a

1109
01:05:05.119 --> 01:05:08.679
feed store in town. It was an ironically the place

1110
01:05:08.719 --> 01:05:11.440
was called Gunlock, but he sent him in town. This

1111
01:05:11.519 --> 01:05:13.599
was a very normal errand for him to go run

1112
01:05:14.000 --> 01:05:16.960
so that the law enforcement got in behind him.

1113
01:05:17.039 --> 01:05:17.880
He had no idea.

1114
01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:21.320
When he parked, he opened the door to get out,

1115
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:24.280
and before he was even able to react, he had

1116
01:05:24.280 --> 01:05:28.039
a gun shoved in his face. The police officer kicked

1117
01:05:28.039 --> 01:05:28.840
his feet out.

1118
01:05:28.719 --> 01:05:29.599
From underneath him.

1119
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:32.239
He slammed to the ground, he was put in handcuffs,

1120
01:05:32.360 --> 01:05:36.239
and he was taken without incident. So that's amazing, right,

1121
01:05:36.480 --> 01:05:40.480
no shootout would ensue. But the second he was in custody.

1122
01:05:40.880 --> 01:05:43.239
The second, and this will show how much training this

1123
01:05:43.239 --> 01:05:46.360
guy had, he immediately lawyered up.

1124
01:05:46.360 --> 01:05:48.000
I want a lawyer. I want a lawyer. I want

1125
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.599
a lawyer. I want a lawyer. Don't talk to me,

1126
01:05:49.599 --> 01:05:50.239
I want a lawyer.

1127
01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:53.920
Not only that he was going to be zero help

1128
01:05:54.000 --> 01:05:55.960
to the police, but he was also going to be

1129
01:05:56.079 --> 01:05:59.840
zero help to himself. He wasn't going to explain shit,

1130
01:06:00.480 --> 01:06:03.960
he wasn't going to try to say anything to the police.

1131
01:06:04.119 --> 01:06:05.400
He wasn't saying a damn thing.

1132
01:06:05.880 --> 01:06:10.440
But investigators knew something else that Chevy did not know,

1133
01:06:11.039 --> 01:06:14.360
and that's that his brother Shane had also alerted them

1134
01:06:14.880 --> 01:06:20.360
that Chevy was not alone in these murders of the Mullers.

1135
01:06:20.679 --> 01:06:24.039
He had an accomplice. The issue with that was that

1136
01:06:25.679 --> 01:06:28.920
Chevy did not excuse me. Shane did not know the

1137
01:06:29.079 --> 01:06:31.880
name of the accomplice, but he did verify that there

1138
01:06:31.960 --> 01:06:36.480
was an accomplice. So obviously this family is uber dangerous,

1139
01:06:36.519 --> 01:06:40.360
all of them. When a brother would rather work with

1140
01:06:40.400 --> 01:06:43.960
the police than stay free with his own brother, I

1141
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:48.519
hope that goes without question how dangerous this family was.

1142
01:06:48.760 --> 01:06:52.800
But it gets even worse because it's now again time

1143
01:06:52.880 --> 01:06:56.800
stamp been two years since the murders of Bill, Sarah

1144
01:06:56.840 --> 01:07:02.320
and Nancy, when in March of ninetheen ninety eight, someone

1145
01:07:02.519 --> 01:07:08.400
else would now betray that white supremacy family and come forward.

1146
01:07:10.400 --> 01:07:16.480
Chevy and Shane's own mother would go to police. Remember Gloria,

1147
01:07:16.559 --> 01:07:20.039
she was friends with Nancy. She would come forward and

1148
01:07:20.119 --> 01:07:23.639
go to the police. And get this, it wasn't even

1149
01:07:23.679 --> 01:07:27.880
because of her sons. She didn't come forward out of

1150
01:07:27.880 --> 01:07:31.320
a guilty conscience. She didn't come forward because this poor

1151
01:07:31.320 --> 01:07:34.239
family had been murdered, and you know her sons may.

1152
01:07:34.079 --> 01:07:34.760
Have been involved.

1153
01:07:34.880 --> 01:07:36.440
I'm not even going to play that game, and I'm

1154
01:07:36.480 --> 01:07:40.320
not even going to give her that credit. The reason

1155
01:07:40.360 --> 01:07:44.880
she came forward was to save her own ass. Get this,

1156
01:07:46.360 --> 01:07:48.239
it wasn't even from her kids either. It was from

1157
01:07:48.320 --> 01:07:52.280
her own husband, the father of her children. Because remember

1158
01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:54.760
how I said before, one of the main goals of

1159
01:07:54.800 --> 01:07:58.239
white supremacy of this type is to purify the white

1160
01:07:58.360 --> 01:08:01.880
race and to keep it superior. Well, for some reason,

1161
01:08:02.360 --> 01:08:05.880
her husband, Kirby, he now got it in his head

1162
01:08:06.239 --> 01:08:10.400
that his wife's blood had been tainted because she might

1163
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.440
have some Indian blood in her and this made her

1164
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.680
impure because of that, he now wanted to kill his

1165
01:08:17.720 --> 01:08:23.279
own wife to improve the race. She also knew too much,

1166
01:08:23.880 --> 01:08:26.000
and so now that the family was feeling the pressure

1167
01:08:26.000 --> 01:08:28.479
from police and all of these interactions, he wanted his

1168
01:08:28.520 --> 01:08:29.279
own wife dead.

1169
01:08:29.520 --> 01:08:31.520
Can you imagine?

1170
01:08:31.600 --> 01:08:34.399
This has got to be the most unsafe environment to

1171
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:37.760
grow up in that I have ever even heard of.

1172
01:08:39.399 --> 01:08:41.720
And these people, guys, they are so damn extreme.

1173
01:08:41.760 --> 01:08:46.359
It's almost comical if it weren't so dangerous and resulting

1174
01:08:46.359 --> 01:08:50.399
in the death of others because they're so ridiculous. But

1175
01:08:50.560 --> 01:08:55.399
either way, whenever, whenever she came forward, more valuable information

1176
01:08:55.520 --> 01:09:00.680
and insight was gained because she told the authorities that

1177
01:09:00.800 --> 01:09:03.399
there were two rental units that they needed to go

1178
01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:06.319
look at. There was one in Thompson Falls, Montana, which

1179
01:09:06.319 --> 01:09:09.079
her husband had rented, and the other one was in

1180
01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:14.279
Old Town, Idaho, that her son, Chevy had rented. So

1181
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:17.119
of course they run and they go check these units.

1182
01:09:17.119 --> 01:09:21.880
Inside one of the units were tons of guns, hand grenades,

1183
01:09:22.279 --> 01:09:28.720
grenade parts, machine guns, assault rifles, and over thirty thousand

1184
01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:33.119
rounds of ammunition. And this included a bunch of different

1185
01:09:33.199 --> 01:09:38.199
calibers as well as they had armor piercing ammunition like

1186
01:09:38.239 --> 01:09:44.520
they were gonna kill some people. They also recovered a

1187
01:09:44.600 --> 01:09:49.039
Maddie AK forty seven that was registered to Nancy Mueller.

1188
01:09:49.279 --> 01:09:51.680
And they also got some Black Hills ammunition that matched

1189
01:09:51.680 --> 01:09:55.159
the serial numbers of Bill Mueller's ammunition. If this ain't

1190
01:09:55.159 --> 01:09:58.279
a clue, I don't know what is. In the other

1191
01:09:58.479 --> 01:10:00.840
unit that they went and searched in the other state,

1192
01:10:01.279 --> 01:10:04.479
they found two display cases like for the gun shows,

1193
01:10:05.239 --> 01:10:09.000
and they were able to lift fingerprints from that. They

1194
01:10:09.000 --> 01:10:12.520
were able to lift Chevy's fingerprints, but they were also

1195
01:10:12.800 --> 01:10:17.560
able to lift the prince of another guy named daniel Lee.

1196
01:10:17.600 --> 01:10:19.560
This case is so interesting to me because it's all

1197
01:10:19.600 --> 01:10:21.439
over the place. We are in different states. There's a

1198
01:10:21.479 --> 01:10:27.720
ton of players, and this daniel Lee guy was also

1199
01:10:27.880 --> 01:10:32.960
a white supremacist type of dude. In that unit that

1200
01:10:33.000 --> 01:10:36.560
they searched, they found tons of white supremacy propaganda literature

1201
01:10:36.600 --> 01:10:39.520
as well as survivalist guides like tons of them to

1202
01:10:39.600 --> 01:10:44.760
hand out. So through a recorded phone call in jail,

1203
01:10:46.279 --> 01:10:49.600
Chevy would do a lot of talking, but it was

1204
01:10:49.640 --> 01:10:53.399
his mother that would reveal something that was very damning

1205
01:10:53.439 --> 01:10:57.600
against her own son. Whenever she told police that Chevy

1206
01:10:57.600 --> 01:11:00.840
told her he had put the Muellers on quote a

1207
01:11:01.000 --> 01:11:05.720
liquid diet, which was code for they were dumped in

1208
01:11:05.760 --> 01:11:11.079
the water. So what exactly happened to the Muellers and why, Well, y'all,

1209
01:11:11.119 --> 01:11:16.319
it all boils down to greed and presumed disrespect. I'm

1210
01:11:16.319 --> 01:11:20.800
gonna lay it all out for you. So basically, Kirby Keho,

1211
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.119
the dad and his son Shane had done the original

1212
01:11:25.239 --> 01:11:28.920
burglary of the Mueller home, remember that one that was

1213
01:11:28.960 --> 01:11:34.239
never solved. They did it basically, they broke into the

1214
01:11:34.359 --> 01:11:36.560
Mueller's home when they knew that they weren't there because

1215
01:11:36.560 --> 01:11:39.239
they were at a gun show, and they stole everything

1216
01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:43.239
they could of value from the home. Then they divided

1217
01:11:43.239 --> 01:11:48.520
it up amongst each other. Well, Chevy Keyhoe took some

1218
01:11:48.600 --> 01:11:52.520
of that stolen property to Washington State and he was

1219
01:11:52.560 --> 01:11:53.880
selling the property.

1220
01:11:54.800 --> 01:11:56.319
Well, this caused a rift.

1221
01:11:56.479 --> 01:12:00.520
Between father and son because Daddy Keyho got mad saying

1222
01:12:00.560 --> 01:12:03.880
that Chevy had shorted him in his share of the

1223
01:12:03.920 --> 01:12:07.439
proceeds from some of the coins that Chevy had sold

1224
01:12:07.439 --> 01:12:10.439
while he was in Washington State. So this animosity was

1225
01:12:10.479 --> 01:12:14.560
building between the two of them. In the meantime, Bill

1226
01:12:14.640 --> 01:12:18.800
Mueller was not an idiot, and he figured it out

1227
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:23.600
that his so called friends had stolen everything from him

1228
01:12:23.760 --> 01:12:27.239
while he was out of town. So Bill, who was

1229
01:12:27.279 --> 01:12:30.479
not an idiot, was also not a frickin coward, and

1230
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:35.520
Bill straight up ten toes down chest out mad about it.

1231
01:12:36.159 --> 01:12:39.600
He didn't call police, remember he didn't really believe in that.

1232
01:12:40.159 --> 01:12:45.760
He straight up confronted the Keyhos about it, man to man, Well,

1233
01:12:46.000 --> 01:12:49.279
as you can imagine, he was pretty damn disrespectful in

1234
01:12:49.359 --> 01:12:52.239
that confrontation. I would have been too, how dare you're

1235
01:12:52.239 --> 01:12:55.720
supposed to be my friends? Hell, you babysit my daughter

1236
01:12:55.920 --> 01:12:56.800
and then you're gonna.

1237
01:12:56.560 --> 01:13:01.680
Steal from me? Well, the key host took offense to that.

1238
01:13:02.600 --> 01:13:05.560
Yeah, they had stolen everything from him, but they felt

1239
01:13:05.600 --> 01:13:09.720
like he was too disrespectful in the way that he

1240
01:13:09.800 --> 01:13:10.760
approached them.

1241
01:13:10.880 --> 01:13:13.079
How fucking stupid is that?

1242
01:13:14.399 --> 01:13:18.640
And because of that disrespect that was shown, Dad Keyho

1243
01:13:18.800 --> 01:13:22.319
then gave the green light for Bill to be murdered,

1244
01:13:22.960 --> 01:13:27.159
and that family planned the murder of all of the Mullers,

1245
01:13:27.199 --> 01:13:32.520
including little Sarah, for over a year. I mean, with

1246
01:13:32.600 --> 01:13:35.279
friends like this, who the hell needs enemies, you know

1247
01:13:35.319 --> 01:13:38.399
what I mean? They knew that Bill had money and guns,

1248
01:13:38.720 --> 01:13:41.319
and they wanted to take the family out completely, so

1249
01:13:41.359 --> 01:13:44.520
that they could take every single thing that they owned.

1250
01:13:44.880 --> 01:13:46.600
But Mom, Gloria Keyho.

1251
01:13:47.720 --> 01:13:52.479
She then was able to identify that unknown accomplice that

1252
01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:57.039
had done these murders with her son, and she pointed

1253
01:13:57.079 --> 01:14:01.760
to that very print that was lifted from that display

1254
01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:05.359
cabinet of daniel Lee. I hope you're following me now.

1255
01:14:05.479 --> 01:14:07.880
I told you daniel Lee was a white supremacy associate

1256
01:14:07.920 --> 01:14:10.439
of the family. But I'm gonna tell y'all something. This

1257
01:14:10.520 --> 01:14:14.880
guy is scary as shit looking, and I mean that completely.

1258
01:14:15.239 --> 01:14:19.479
Let me expand so you'll know. Obviously he's gonna look

1259
01:14:19.520 --> 01:14:22.399
like a skinhead. He's a white dude, shaved head, real short,

1260
01:14:22.840 --> 01:14:27.039
but he has one eye that is completely grayed out.

1261
01:14:27.840 --> 01:14:31.600
It's like gray. It's cloudy, cloudy, cloudy. He lost that eye,

1262
01:14:31.720 --> 01:14:36.039
got destroyed in a fight some years prior. He has

1263
01:14:36.199 --> 01:14:39.800
Nazi tattoos on his neck that double lightning bolt that

1264
01:14:39.920 --> 01:14:43.039
is common in white supremacy, and he had been a

1265
01:14:43.199 --> 01:14:44.479
very violent.

1266
01:14:44.399 --> 01:14:46.720
Kid in this white supremacy lifestyle.

1267
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:51.159
He was sent originally to a religious boarding school, but

1268
01:14:51.319 --> 01:14:54.600
then he got shifted over to mental health hospitals. He

1269
01:14:54.680 --> 01:14:59.399
spent time in juvie and whenever he met the Keyhose together,

1270
01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:03.119
they were like an echo chamber of bad ideas, and

1271
01:15:03.159 --> 01:15:05.560
they decided they were going to all work together to

1272
01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:10.520
carry out these anti government plans. Basically, the dynamic was

1273
01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:15.039
that favorite son, Chevy Keiho was the ring leader and

1274
01:15:15.159 --> 01:15:18.079
Daniel Lee was his number one soldier doing.

1275
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:18.600
What he was told.

1276
01:15:19.600 --> 01:15:23.319
So what happened to the Muellers on the day that

1277
01:15:23.359 --> 01:15:25.000
they were killed? Because I've taken you all over the

1278
01:15:25.079 --> 01:15:27.399
US to put a puzzle together, so I'm gonna make

1279
01:15:27.399 --> 01:15:31.359
it cohesive for you. Chevy and daniel told the Keyho

1280
01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:34.520
parents that they were going to go to Oklahoma. They

1281
01:15:34.520 --> 01:15:36.840
needed to visit daniel Lee's mom because she had just

1282
01:15:36.920 --> 01:15:40.479
had emergency gallbladder surgery. This was on January tenth of

1283
01:15:40.560 --> 01:15:44.239
nineteen ninety six. So Gloria said she gave the boys

1284
01:15:44.439 --> 01:15:47.640
as she called them, forty dollars in cash because they

1285
01:15:47.640 --> 01:15:50.079
did not have any money, and then they pulled out

1286
01:15:50.079 --> 01:15:53.479
of the driveway in Chevy's blue nineteen eighty five GMC

1287
01:15:53.640 --> 01:15:57.720
diesel truck. The very next day, they broke into the

1288
01:15:57.800 --> 01:15:59.680
Mueller's home, but it was empty.

1289
01:15:59.800 --> 01:16:02.159
By was home well.

1290
01:16:02.600 --> 01:16:06.159
While they were there, they or when they originally broke in,

1291
01:16:06.640 --> 01:16:10.279
they both were dressed from head to toe in FBI gear.

1292
01:16:10.680 --> 01:16:12.800
Is this now like clicking in your head? Because of

1293
01:16:12.840 --> 01:16:15.439
all that shootout gear they found in the car. They

1294
01:16:15.479 --> 01:16:19.039
were dressed head to toe as FBI agents, where they

1295
01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:22.199
lie in wait for the family to return. When the

1296
01:16:22.199 --> 01:16:27.199
family returned, they surprised and scared, you know, the Mullers

1297
01:16:27.239 --> 01:16:30.800
whenever they walked in, and they had to subdue Bill

1298
01:16:31.039 --> 01:16:35.439
because Bill immediately fought back before he was knocked unconscious

1299
01:16:35.479 --> 01:16:39.600
with the butt of a gun. So at that point

1300
01:16:39.800 --> 01:16:42.840
they got them all subdued, and they started making demands

1301
01:16:42.840 --> 01:16:45.439
for the cash and the guns. But Bill wasn't giving

1302
01:16:45.439 --> 01:16:49.800
it up, Nancy wasn't giving it up, and so when

1303
01:16:49.840 --> 01:16:53.439
all of that went unanswered, they separated the family and

1304
01:16:53.479 --> 01:16:57.199
that's when they started torturing them with the cattle prods.

1305
01:16:57.399 --> 01:16:59.640
So this poor girl, little Sarah is in a room

1306
01:16:59.680 --> 01:17:03.319
Buyers screaming out for her Mama, want help, help, She's

1307
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:06.000
being tortured. The other parents are in the other rooms

1308
01:17:06.039 --> 01:17:09.880
being tortured, and they're separated. And that's whenever they continue

1309
01:17:09.920 --> 01:17:12.439
to not give up any information. And so they covered

1310
01:17:12.439 --> 01:17:15.479
the family's heads in plastic bags and use the duct

1311
01:17:15.520 --> 01:17:21.039
tape to secure it and watch them slowly and agonizingly suffocate.

1312
01:17:22.600 --> 01:17:23.840
Sarah was the last.

1313
01:17:23.560 --> 01:17:26.760
One to be killed, and so it is believed or

1314
01:17:26.840 --> 01:17:32.880
understood that she actually had to watch her parents slowly die.

1315
01:17:33.239 --> 01:17:35.159
The reason she was the last to be killed, though,

1316
01:17:35.840 --> 01:17:39.840
is because Chevy directed Daniel Lee he said, go kill

1317
01:17:39.880 --> 01:17:40.560
the little girl.

1318
01:17:41.279 --> 01:17:42.479
But Daniel.

1319
01:17:43.560 --> 01:17:45.600
He looked at Chevy and was like, well, I'm not

1320
01:17:45.720 --> 01:17:48.960
killing a little girl. And while this guy is completely

1321
01:17:48.960 --> 01:17:52.000
and totally reprehensible, I'm gonna give him an ounce here,

1322
01:17:52.239 --> 01:17:56.119
just an ounce in that he didn't believe in killing kids.

1323
01:17:56.359 --> 01:17:58.359
He drew the line, I'm not gonna go hr a child.

1324
01:17:59.560 --> 01:18:02.600
But then, let me just say this that if Sarah

1325
01:18:02.600 --> 01:18:04.720
wouldn't have if Sarah would have been black, he would

1326
01:18:04.720 --> 01:18:07.159
have probably had no problem doing that. So I immediately

1327
01:18:07.159 --> 01:18:10.920
take back that ounce I gave. Okay, but Chevy he

1328
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:13.159
was unbothered either way. And Chevy was like, fine, get

1329
01:18:13.159 --> 01:18:14.840
the fuck out of my way, and he went over

1330
01:18:14.880 --> 01:18:19.840
there and he killed that little girl himself. Whenever they

1331
01:18:19.840 --> 01:18:22.439
were done with that, they ransacked the house. They stole

1332
01:18:22.479 --> 01:18:26.640
the cash, the guns, everything, the ammunition. The total was

1333
01:18:26.760 --> 01:18:30.520
actually fifty grand in the cash and coins and guns.

1334
01:18:31.199 --> 01:18:32.640
I mean the cash and coins and all of that,

1335
01:18:32.680 --> 01:18:35.720
but the firearms were estimated to be an additional thirty

1336
01:18:36.039 --> 01:18:40.119
thousand dollars, so much more than police originally knew. Afterwards,

1337
01:18:40.439 --> 01:18:43.439
they loaded up their bodies into the truck and drove

1338
01:18:43.479 --> 01:18:46.159
them to the waterway where they dumped them.

1339
01:18:46.600 --> 01:18:47.800
They then drove the.

1340
01:18:47.840 --> 01:18:50.720
Mueller's vehicle and that trailer to that wooded property and

1341
01:18:50.760 --> 01:18:53.359
they hit it before they left town. Now, why did

1342
01:18:53.439 --> 01:18:56.880
Daniel Lee agree to help, other than the ideology of

1343
01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:00.800
being a white supremacist white supremacist, Well, they gave him

1344
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:05.800
four thousand dollars in a pistol. That was the value

1345
01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:10.880
of a whole family's life. Four grand and a pistol.

1346
01:19:12.000 --> 01:19:12.800
It's so sick.

1347
01:19:13.720 --> 01:19:17.239
Then they, unbothered, took all the stolen property to that

1348
01:19:17.239 --> 01:19:21.279
Shadows motel in Washington. And so when investigators went and

1349
01:19:21.319 --> 01:19:23.359
spoke to the manager of the hotel, his name was

1350
01:19:23.399 --> 01:19:27.159
Jeff Brown, he actually was able to say, Oh, yeah,

1351
01:19:27.199 --> 01:19:29.880
they had all sorts of stuff here that they were selling,

1352
01:19:29.960 --> 01:19:33.239
but they told me all the merchandise was on consignment.

1353
01:19:32.760 --> 01:19:33.439
From a dealer.

1354
01:19:34.039 --> 01:19:38.159
So they lied obviously, and Shane was able to verify

1355
01:19:38.199 --> 01:19:42.199
he was told the same thing. Gloria, the Mom identified

1356
01:19:42.279 --> 01:19:46.640
and verified the same thing, and roughly two months later

1357
01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:51.039
in June, that's whenever those bodies were found in the water.

1358
01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:56.680
So both Chevy Keiho and Daniel Lee were arrested and

1359
01:19:56.800 --> 01:20:02.399
charged with the heinous murders of Bill Nancy and Sarah Mueller.

1360
01:20:03.439 --> 01:20:08.840
Gloria Kehoe and Shane Keyho both also testified kind of

1361
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:13.720
his main witnesses against Chevy and Daniel at trial. So

1362
01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:18.640
favorite son, Chevy and daniel were both convicted of all

1363
01:20:18.640 --> 01:20:23.640
of those murders. But get this, Chevy, the guy who

1364
01:20:23.720 --> 01:20:28.199
literally killed them all, he got life in prison, while

1365
01:20:28.359 --> 01:20:31.840
Daniel Lee, who refused to kill the little girl.

1366
01:20:31.920 --> 01:20:35.159
He got the death penalty. There's a lot of argument

1367
01:20:35.199 --> 01:20:36.680
of why that is, and a lot of people.

1368
01:20:36.600 --> 01:20:38.119
Chalk it up to the way that he looks, because

1369
01:20:38.119 --> 01:20:41.079
he's so scary looking that he got the worst penalty.

1370
01:20:41.680 --> 01:20:45.960
And Daniel Lee was executed on July fourteenth in twenty

1371
01:20:46.000 --> 01:20:49.000
twenty for his role in all of those crimes, while

1372
01:20:49.119 --> 01:20:53.039
Chevy remains in federal prison to this day. I want

1373
01:20:53.039 --> 01:20:55.159
to let all my listeners know this. I'm going to

1374
01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:58.199
be releasing a bonus episode to my patron members and

1375
01:20:58.239 --> 01:21:00.520
it's going to go along with this episode, but it's

1376
01:21:00.560 --> 01:21:04.479
completely different case, but it goes along with this because

1377
01:21:04.479 --> 01:21:09.760
there is way more to this family, this horrible family,

1378
01:21:10.439 --> 01:21:13.279
than the murders of the Mullers. And I want to

1379
01:21:13.319 --> 01:21:15.800
tell it all, but you know me, and I want

1380
01:21:15.840 --> 01:21:19.439
all victims to have their moment, and today this episode,

1381
01:21:20.000 --> 01:21:22.159
well this was going to be the Mueller's moment. So

1382
01:21:22.239 --> 01:21:25.199
y'all stay tuned Patreon members for that bonus that I'll

1383
01:21:25.199 --> 01:21:29.199
be releasing very soon. So when it's all said and done,

1384
01:21:29.319 --> 01:21:36.319
a family was wiped out over greed, hate and pathetic

1385
01:21:36.479 --> 01:21:41.479
men who can't handle a little deserved respect. And that's

1386
01:21:41.520 --> 01:21:46.560
the thing about white supremacy. Their goals are rooted in

1387
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:51.600
nothing but hate. And anyone who hates someone for the

1388
01:21:51.640 --> 01:21:54.800
color of their skin, I don't care who you are,

1389
01:21:55.039 --> 01:21:58.439
you are a threat to all of us. Anyone can

1390
01:21:58.439 --> 01:22:01.560
be hateful, a badge or a trophy to wear.

1391
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:03.359
I get so disgusted by that.

1392
01:22:03.960 --> 01:22:06.319
You know you don't earn this. Anyone can be hateful.

1393
01:22:06.560 --> 01:22:08.800
It's easy to hate people. And that's why I think

1394
01:22:08.800 --> 01:22:11.399
white supremacy is a total frickin joke. It's kind of

1395
01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:14.880
like how rumors fly and are accepted with ease. While

1396
01:22:15.000 --> 01:22:21.159
actual truth is so very few proactively seek it. Anyone

1397
01:22:21.760 --> 01:22:24.439
who believes in any racial supremacy of any type, to me,

1398
01:22:24.520 --> 01:22:26.880
is an absolute idiot. We all need to raise our

1399
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:31.199
kids and foundations of love and purpose and seeing someone's heart,

1400
01:22:31.600 --> 01:22:35.560
not their color. And I'll give you this tidbit of

1401
01:22:35.600 --> 01:22:40.399
my own personal life. When I talk about race, okay,

1402
01:22:40.479 --> 01:22:43.520
in my own home and I'm talking to my own children,

1403
01:22:43.800 --> 01:22:48.560
I like to compare race to cancer ribbons. And what

1404
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:52.680
I mean is that all cancer ribbons are the same.

1405
01:22:53.279 --> 01:22:57.239
They're the same in shape, in size, and material. The

1406
01:22:57.279 --> 01:23:01.479
only difference between them is the color. And we don't

1407
01:23:01.520 --> 01:23:05.079
ignore the color differences. That's obvious when you're looking at

1408
01:23:05.119 --> 01:23:07.720
cancer ribbons. That's obvious that they're not the same. There's

1409
01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:12.640
this difference. But when we do focus on the color,

1410
01:23:12.880 --> 01:23:15.840
it's not to hate it. We do that so we

1411
01:23:15.880 --> 01:23:18.399
can learn about it and then to see if we

1412
01:23:18.479 --> 01:23:22.399
can help in some way. That's the only time color

1413
01:23:23.039 --> 01:23:25.720
makes a difference. If you want to be part of

1414
01:23:25.720 --> 01:23:30.920
something that's hard, try loving people in today's world. You know,

1415
01:23:31.159 --> 01:23:33.279
most of the time we don't want to. That's hard.

1416
01:23:33.560 --> 01:23:36.439
That's a fight worth fighting because it's hard. It's the

1417
01:23:36.520 --> 01:23:39.439
hard that makes it great. That's the hard that makes

1418
01:23:39.479 --> 01:23:44.039
it worth something. And I can't help but wonder what

1419
01:23:44.079 --> 01:23:47.039
it means. Also, whenever you think your race is superior,

1420
01:23:48.079 --> 01:23:50.840
yet you murder people of your own race.

1421
01:23:51.680 --> 01:23:52.800
That's what the key Hose did.

1422
01:23:53.239 --> 01:23:56.279
I guess that's a just completely different thought to ponder there,

1423
01:23:56.800 --> 01:24:00.920
and to the key Hose specifically, between the missing teeth

1424
01:24:01.239 --> 01:24:03.640
and the lies and the lack of loyalty, it's no

1425
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wonder y'all are all mad, okay, But y'all keep worshiping

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y'all skin tone like it's sacred. That's fine, you know

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that's your prerogative. But I just want you to be advised,

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specifically from me to you, that all the rest of

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us see when we look at y'all is wrapping paper

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on rot