The Parkland School Shooting Anthology

100:00:00,000 --> 00:00:06,000[MUSIC]200:00:06,000 --> 00:00:11,680Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims.300:00:11,680 --> 00:00:15,760Whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real?400:00:15,760 --> 00:00:21,760[MUSIC]500:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,280I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections, and600:00:25,280 --> 00:00:31,280combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.700:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,480Some so evil, many feel they are, unspeakable.800:00:34,480 --> 00:00:44,480[MUSIC]900:00:44,480 --> 00:00:54,000Warning, unspeakable is intended for mature audiences.1000:00:54,000 --> 00:00:56,560If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl.1100:00:56,560 --> 00:00:58,400Listing discretion is advised.1200:00:58,400 --> 00:01:01,120Hey y'all Kelly Jennings, here what is up?1300:01:01,120 --> 00:01:01,920Are you all ready?1400:01:01,920 --> 00:01:05,040Are you ready for what I promised you because today's episode,1500:01:05,040 --> 00:01:06,240y'all have been taking notes.1600:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,800I've been kicking ass and taking names and taking notes because this shooter,1700:01:10,800 --> 00:01:16,240this murderer of Marjorie Stoneman Douglas Kids has got me freaking pissed.1800:01:16,240 --> 00:01:17,120I'm just gonna start.1900:01:17,120 --> 00:01:18,240I'm just gonna start right here.2000:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,280Why that little bitch wearing a mask the whole time that he's up in the courtroom?2100:01:21,280 --> 00:01:22,880Can we just start there?2200:01:22,880 --> 00:01:24,320Pull your damn mask down.2300:01:24,320 --> 00:01:27,360Cova is the last of your worry son.2400:01:27,360 --> 00:01:33,040That dude wore a freaking medical mask up in the middle of that courtroom,2500:01:33,040 --> 00:01:34,960like he needed to protect himself from COVID.2600:01:34,960 --> 00:01:37,040He's scared of COVID, is that what this really is?2700:01:37,040 --> 00:01:38,880No, you're a freaking coward.2800:01:38,880 --> 00:01:40,000That's what that's about.2900:01:40,000 --> 00:01:44,000When those people stood up to talk about their children that you murdered,3000:01:44,000 --> 00:01:45,600you hid behind a mask.3100:01:45,600 --> 00:01:48,400So you're a coward from jump street.3200:01:48,400 --> 00:01:49,360Let's just start with that.3300:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,440You are a freaking coward.3400:01:52,320 --> 00:01:54,640Now, I do want to say this.3500:01:54,640 --> 00:02:01,200How about that judge that was sitting on the bench on that case?3600:02:01,200 --> 00:02:02,560Everybody has their own opinion.3700:02:02,560 --> 00:02:03,840I know opinions are like assholes.3800:02:03,840 --> 00:02:04,640Everybody's got one.3900:02:04,640 --> 00:02:08,800Well, I do too because I thought she was a freaking boss.4000:02:08,800 --> 00:02:10,000I liked her.4100:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,160I felt like people disrespected her in her own courtroom,4200:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,240which was pretty crappy, but overall,4300:02:14,240 --> 00:02:16,800I liked the way that she ran her show.4400:02:16,800 --> 00:02:18,240Let's just jump right into this.4500:02:18,240 --> 00:02:21,920How about the fact that the case to defend that piece of4600:02:21,920 --> 00:02:30,240crap cost the taxpayers of Florida over $2 million.4700:02:30,240 --> 00:02:34,560That was just his security, the security,4800:02:34,560 --> 00:02:40,800to protect a kid or a man that would walk into a school4900:02:40,800 --> 00:02:44,960and slaughter innocent children at Marjorie Stoeman-Dungless High School.5000:02:44,960 --> 00:02:50,720We, as taxpayers, spent over $2 million on his security.5100:02:51,520 --> 00:02:52,640I got a problem with that.5200:02:52,640 --> 00:02:56,560I would rather as a taxpayer, which I'm not in Florida.5300:02:56,560 --> 00:02:57,520Okay, I understand that.5400:02:57,520 --> 00:03:02,400I'm in Louisiana, but I would rather my taxes go to pay for the funerals of the victims.5500:03:02,400 --> 00:03:03,440Or how about this?5600:03:03,440 --> 00:03:04,400Let's not have victims.5700:03:04,400 --> 00:03:08,240How about we walk into a school and we reinforce them with $2 million?5800:03:08,240 --> 00:03:09,600There's a lot we could have done.5900:03:09,600 --> 00:03:12,640But we're going to pay to have that prick protected.6000:03:12,640 --> 00:03:13,840Give me a break.6100:03:13,840 --> 00:03:18,240Sorry, I'm coming in hot from the start, but that just blew my mind.6200:03:18,240 --> 00:03:21,280Millions more will be paid out6300:03:21,280 --> 00:03:23,440to his defense team, who I didn't like either.6400:03:23,440 --> 00:03:25,040And it's not by proxy.6500:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,080I didn't not like them because they were defending him.6600:03:28,080 --> 00:03:33,600You have a constitutional right to be defended in court.6700:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,040Thank God you have that right because now we know that he wasn't unjustly6800:03:37,040 --> 00:03:40,320sentenced to prison for the rest of his life.6900:03:40,320 --> 00:03:41,360He got a defense.7000:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,080It was crap, but he got one.7100:03:44,080 --> 00:03:51,120But they're going to make millions of dollars off of this little piece of crap, dude.7200:03:51,120 --> 00:03:55,520Who went in and murdered children and the taxpayers are going to eat that money.7300:03:55,520 --> 00:04:00,560If that does not piss you off, I don't know if you are paying attention.7400:04:00,560 --> 00:04:02,960That's insanity.7500:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,120And you wonder why you wonder why our country is in the state that it's in today.7600:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,760But today I do want to focus on the victims.7700:04:09,760 --> 00:04:14,160I want to talk about some of these people that stood up in that courtroom7800:04:14,160 --> 00:04:17,040and looked at pumpkin his eyes.7900:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,040And y'all they said things that I just wanted to walk up and hug them and high five on8000:04:21,040 --> 00:04:25,760them because they I thought these were some of the strongest family members.8100:04:25,760 --> 00:04:31,520And they did their kids such service when they got up to talk about them.8200:04:31,520 --> 00:04:33,200They brought pictures, right?8300:04:33,200 --> 00:04:38,000They held up pictures of their kids so you can see that this is not just a headline.8400:04:38,000 --> 00:04:39,200This is their child.8500:04:39,200 --> 00:04:40,320This is a human being.8600:04:40,320 --> 00:04:42,000And they mattered.8700:04:42,000 --> 00:04:48,320And we're going to spend two million dollars just on this guy right here is security.8800:04:49,920 --> 00:04:50,720Do we have help?8900:04:50,720 --> 00:04:51,680Is it hello?9000:04:51,680 --> 00:04:52,080Hello?9100:04:52,080 --> 00:04:53,040Is anybody listening to me?9200:04:53,040 --> 00:04:55,360If that is insane.9300:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,480So one of the dads, okay.9400:04:58,480 --> 00:05:01,840His name was Max Shactor.9500:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,400Max Shactor.9600:05:04,400 --> 00:05:06,960He was the face of this trial to me.9700:05:06,960 --> 00:05:08,400I don't know if you followed it, but I did.9800:05:08,400 --> 00:05:12,880And I was very in tune with these families.9900:05:12,880 --> 00:05:16,640Very in line with my God that, you know,10000:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,400their children's murder is being put on display.10100:05:20,400 --> 00:05:22,560And I don't think the media had good intentions.10200:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,800I think that it was a thrilling story that just got people's attention and so they got10300:05:26,800 --> 00:05:27,920ratings for it.10400:05:27,920 --> 00:05:30,480But his son, his name was Alex Shactor.10500:05:30,480 --> 00:05:36,240And Mr. Max, Mr. Max Shactor, if you happen to know somebody who listens to this podcast,10600:05:36,240 --> 00:05:42,240I want you to know that you are the man that your face and the way that you carried yourself in10700:05:42,240 --> 00:05:47,600that courtroom, I was rooting you on personally and I have never met you a day in my life.10800:05:48,000 --> 00:05:50,960But if there is ever a parent who did10900:05:50,960 --> 00:05:55,200service, a service for their child, it was you, sir.11000:05:55,200 --> 00:05:56,960I saw your facial expressions.11100:05:56,960 --> 00:06:03,440I saw the disgust in your face when that defense team acted like a bunch of animals,11200:06:03,440 --> 00:06:04,720which I'll talk about in a minute.11300:06:04,720 --> 00:06:08,320Almost like this was a game of some sort.11400:06:08,320 --> 00:06:14,240But you were the face, Mr. Shactor, of victims to me.11500:06:14,960 --> 00:06:18,480And I felt like you knocked it out of the park when you got up there.11600:06:18,480 --> 00:06:23,280So first of all, like I said, his face, he just looked disgusted the entire time.11700:06:23,280 --> 00:06:31,040And I felt that with him, that we would even as Americans, even entertain the fact that this kid,11800:06:31,040 --> 00:06:35,040this dude walks in there and murders all these people and we're going to feel sorry for him.11900:06:35,040 --> 00:06:44,640There's no reason I can ever think of that would even be plausible to explain why someone would12000:06:44,640 --> 00:06:50,960behave in such a way, right? And something that a lot of people like to bring up,12100:06:50,960 --> 00:06:56,720like God bless my brother, my brother, I love him, but my brother is the polar opposite of me,12200:06:56,720 --> 00:07:02,720politically and in any other way. But I love him. So if you're listening, I love you brother.12300:07:02,720 --> 00:07:10,240I'm not going to say your name, but I love you. But there's people out there that look at these people12400:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,560that go and do these things and they feel almost sorry for them, like they had a bad childhood.12500:07:14,560 --> 00:07:21,840Hell, we all had a bad childhood. Are you kidding me? My parents got divorced when I was a kid.12600:07:21,840 --> 00:07:25,760Oh my god, look how wounded I am. Look at me fucking cry. Oh my god.12700:07:25,760 --> 00:07:31,520Something that was brought up a lot in their victim impact statements. And if you don't know12800:07:31,520 --> 00:07:36,480about a victim impact statement, let me start there. So these are done post-conviction,12900:07:36,480 --> 00:07:42,320so after conviction, but before syncing, right? Because they're not supposed to affect the outcome of13000:07:42,320 --> 00:07:48,560whether someone is guilty or not. It's just that the victims get their time to stand up and say,13100:07:48,560 --> 00:07:55,200how dare you? You have affected my life in the following ways. And because of this, you should get,13200:07:55,200 --> 00:08:02,080you know, X, Y and Z. Well, this guy, this Nicholas Cruz, punk, should have got a bullet in his head,13300:08:02,080 --> 00:08:09,840as soon as he was found guilty because he is not worth the air it takes to fill his lungs in my humble13400:08:09,840 --> 00:08:16,400opinion. There was a whole lot brought up about mental health services in the trial. There is a13500:08:16,400 --> 00:08:21,120link there. Remember we talked about in the past episodes about Columbine and how the shooters in13600:08:21,120 --> 00:08:26,000Columbine, their mother or Dylan's mother felt like his case was really more of a mental health issue13700:08:26,000 --> 00:08:31,440than it was being evil. That's up for you to decide. I think they're actually evil. I think maybe13800:08:31,440 --> 00:08:36,160he did have some mental health problems, but none of it met the muster of why you would just go13900:08:36,160 --> 00:08:42,400shoot people and murder innocent people. The defense team tried to argue that Nicholas Cruz,14000:08:42,400 --> 00:08:50,080quote unquote, fell through the cracks. He fell through the cracks. Well, that kind of ticked me off.14100:08:50,080 --> 00:08:55,200And let me tell you why as a teacher, that ticked me off from personal experience.14200:08:56,720 --> 00:09:02,480The world today is not what it used to be, but kids come to school and there's nobody that spends more14300:09:02,480 --> 00:09:09,280time with the kid during the day than a teacher. Nobody, they spend more of their waking hours with14400:09:09,280 --> 00:09:13,760their teachers than most kids do with their parents because their parents are at work, right? God bless14500:09:13,760 --> 00:09:19,360us all going to work. Same for my kids. I'm a teacher, but my kids are with another teacher, right?14600:09:20,480 --> 00:09:28,720We know the behaviors. We look at these kids. We know when there is a problem and there's probably not14700:09:28,720 --> 00:09:33,680a lot of teachers like me with a big mouth who would stand up and say that kid right there's got a14800:09:33,680 --> 00:09:40,000problem, a huge problem. And you want to know why? Because lawsuits rule the world. God forbid, you14900:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,600tell somebody, hey, little Ray Ray's got a little mental, mental issue. You look like the bad guy.15000:09:45,600 --> 00:09:51,200You look like you're picking on a kid when there's not a teacher worth their salt in America today that15100:09:51,200 --> 00:09:54,960doesn't look at these kids and love them with every ounce of their being, but we know when there is a15200:09:54,960 --> 00:10:01,920problem. We see it. Do you see it? Would you be willing to listen to someone who says, look, I see15300:10:01,920 --> 00:10:10,320this happening because in my experience, I'd say 25% of the time that there were serious problems,15400:10:11,520 --> 00:10:18,08025% of the time parents did not really want to hear it. It was me. It was me. I was the problem.15500:10:18,080 --> 00:10:29,200And that, real quick, side note, that means 75% of my math is correct. Did exactly what good parenting15600:10:29,200 --> 00:10:34,560should be. And so kudos to those parents. But there's not a lot of issues like this, but the ones that15700:10:34,560 --> 00:10:40,240matter like this guy right here, his defense study fell through the cracks. Well, let's talk about15800:10:40,240 --> 00:10:46,080that for a minute. First of all, he started seeing a psychologist when he was eight years old,15900:10:46,080 --> 00:10:55,600eight. And guess he brought that up to their attention, a teacher. He had weekly counseling from16000:10:55,600 --> 00:11:04,240the age of eight years old. He had mental health counseling from the school. Since he was eight16100:11:04,240 --> 00:11:12,560years old in 2011, y'all, he had therapy and counseling. The school suggested that this should happen.16200:11:12,560 --> 00:11:21,120He was on multiple medications, multiple. I don't know what the hell a red flag looks like,16300:11:21,120 --> 00:11:26,960apparently, but this is what I assume it looks like. Multiple medications. And since eight16400:11:26,960 --> 00:11:34,080years old, you need to see a psychologist for wackado behavior. I don't know. All brought up by a16500:11:34,080 --> 00:11:46,640school. Y'all between 2013 and 2014, one year, there were 27 home visits because of this kid.16600:11:46,640 --> 00:11:53,28027. If there was one home visit to my house, as soon as that door shut, me and my kid are going to16700:11:53,280 --> 00:11:58,320have a discussion and it ain't going to be nice. And if I need to put you in a mental facility,16800:11:58,320 --> 00:12:03,280then pack your bag, honey, get you some clean draws and some slippers so your feet don't get dirty16900:12:03,280 --> 00:12:06,720because you rolling on into mental health services because you're not going to be the next freaking17000:12:06,720 --> 00:12:15,680school shooter. But this kid got 27 home visits. They had over 700 pages of therapy documentation17100:12:15,680 --> 00:12:24,320for this guy. 700. And then I couldn't tell you the hundreds of hours as they discussed hundreds of17200:12:24,320 --> 00:12:36,480hours of therapy. His ninth, tenth, his ninth and tenth year, great. He got more therapy from the school.17300:12:36,480 --> 00:12:44,560And look, I didn't see the receipts, but I'm going to air on the side of it probably was not his17400:12:44,560 --> 00:12:51,920pocket that was paying for it. So how dare this defense team, how dare they say that he fell through17500:12:51,920 --> 00:12:57,200the cracks, he didn't fall through the cracks, he created the damn crack. And but because nobody17600:12:57,200 --> 00:13:03,680wants to be the quote unquote bad guy, nobody wants to stand up and say this kid here has severe mental17700:13:03,680 --> 00:13:15,280problems severely unhinged since he was eight. He was able to go and murder 17 other kids.17800:13:15,280 --> 00:13:21,680That's unacceptable. I don't mean to be preaching to the choir here. If you're listening to this,17900:13:21,680 --> 00:13:28,240I'm sure you understand that, but we as a people, we as a people of a duty that when somebody or18000:13:28,240 --> 00:13:35,600multiple somebody's and 700 pages worth of therapists are saying there's something wrong with somebody,18100:13:35,600 --> 00:13:42,960we cannot act like this is just a tragedy that was unexplainable. No, it's not. It was addressed18200:13:42,960 --> 00:13:51,280for years, for years. It's ridiculous. Everybody agreed he needed help. Well, over 2018300:13:51,280 --> 00:13:59,520sessions, we're documented that said that somebody said this dude is not right. Now is not right,18400:13:59,520 --> 00:14:05,760does that mean evil? I'm going to air on the side of yes. I don't think this is a very nice person.18500:14:05,760 --> 00:14:13,120Okay. But to say that mental health services were not provided or were needed and he fell through18600:14:13,120 --> 00:14:20,800the cracks, it's just not true. And this is something that, you know, we as a people listening to my18700:14:20,800 --> 00:14:24,400podcast, maybe there's one of you out there and to the one who's listening is probably my husband,18800:14:24,400 --> 00:14:30,080hey, listen to what I'm saying. But to anyone listen to this, if we don't get together and get a18900:14:30,080 --> 00:14:36,800freaking grip in this country and say our kids who are doing the right thing, who are following the19000:14:36,800 --> 00:14:42,160rules, who are making good grades, who are in the band or cheerleaders and play in football,19100:14:42,160 --> 00:14:48,240or the little guy behind the computer building the video games or the robot crew, right? Those19200:14:48,240 --> 00:14:54,480kids that are doing the right things have every right to be protected from these animals that you cannot19300:14:54,480 --> 00:15:00,480say fell through the cracks. Shut up. That defense team can get somewhere with that BS.19400:15:00,480 --> 00:15:09,680Now that said, I got a kick out of this. I don't know if you've been listening to my first19500:15:09,680 --> 00:15:15,440couple episodes, but I brought up the killer's mother in the first episode, right? Dylan Cleebold's mom.19600:15:15,440 --> 00:15:24,000And I talked about even for briefly, Dahmer's mom, right? And we talked about the moms and how19700:15:24,000 --> 00:15:30,320society is quick to blame those mothers. Well, I may need to pat myself on the back because guess what19800:15:30,320 --> 00:15:37,760was brought up at the trial by Mr. Shactor himself, the father of victim Alex Shactor, the killer's mom.19900:15:38,800 --> 00:15:44,320Listen, what he had to say, I even took notes on it like a dork. I literally took notes in my classroom20000:15:44,320 --> 00:15:50,480while I was giving a test. I was doing my job, but while giving a test, I was listening to the victim and20100:15:50,480 --> 00:15:59,200back statement. This dad brought up the killer's mom. He looked him dead in the eye. There was20200:15:59,200 --> 00:16:03,760ugly glasses. He looked him dead in the eye. And he said, you know, let me tell you something about20300:16:03,760 --> 00:16:08,320your mother. And I was like, like, he's going to the core. He's going to the core, but you know what,20400:16:08,320 --> 00:16:14,880you killed a son. Good. And he said, I was very angry with your mother at the start of this trial. I was20500:16:14,880 --> 00:16:22,720extremely angry. And look, if body language could say anything, y'all, Nicholas Cruz's face shot up20600:16:22,720 --> 00:16:29,760and he looked at Mr. Shactor when he said it. That dad got this killer's attention when he started20700:16:29,760 --> 00:16:37,200talking about his mama. And he said, I was so angry with your mother. And he said, guess what? It's20800:16:37,200 --> 00:16:43,920kind of comical that the anniversary of her death is on the day I'm speaking right now. Your mom20900:16:43,920 --> 00:16:52,240died while I'm sitting here talking to you, punk. This is the day she was sunk underground. And I'm so21000:16:52,240 --> 00:17:00,720angry at her this whole trial. But guess what? This shows the humanity of Mr. Shactor in my opinion,21100:17:00,720 --> 00:17:06,800and that he's a good man. And then I'm certain he raised a great son, Alex Shactor. There's no doubt21200:17:06,800 --> 00:17:12,480in my mind because he said, but you know what? I am going to defend your mother right now. And my21300:17:12,480 --> 00:17:18,080jaw dropped like, and you can't see me. Well, maybe you can if you're watching it, but I got goosebumps.21400:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,920All right, because that's how real this was. He said, I am going to defend your mother.21500:17:21,920 --> 00:17:29,120And he went through the list and said, I was so angry at your mom to have raised who could have raised21600:17:29,120 --> 00:17:38,000such a psychopath, a sick psychopath. But guess what, buddy? You failed your mother, your mother21700:17:38,000 --> 00:17:44,400dearest that you like to blame, right? That you're just so traumatized by her death. You're so upset by21800:17:44,400 --> 00:17:54,720her death. Your mother dealt with a monster. You are a monster. I feel bad for your mother. My heart aches21900:17:54,720 --> 00:18:02,320for your mother because she did everything she could for you from the age of three to 18 years old.22000:18:02,320 --> 00:18:06,480That's his direct quote. She did everything for you from the age of three to 18 years old. And you22100:18:06,480 --> 00:18:15,120know what, buddy? She never gave up on you. Not one time. He said, I have sat here day after day,22200:18:15,120 --> 00:18:21,440and listened to all of the therapy that your mother sent you to. All the hours she sent trying to22300:18:21,440 --> 00:18:27,920get you help the days, the years, the months that she invested in you trying to get you to behave22400:18:27,920 --> 00:18:35,120to act right. And if your nuts get you medication, I'm adlibbing there. Your mother did everything within22500:18:35,120 --> 00:18:40,960her power before she passed away to fix you. And she did not succeed because you are evil.22600:18:40,960 --> 00:18:48,640And I loved it. I felt like he nailed it on the head. That mama were so quick to blame,22700:18:48,640 --> 00:18:55,200and God let her rest in peace. But that mama did everything she could for her psychotic monster of a22800:18:55,200 --> 00:18:59,680son and he didn't want to hear it. And then he wants to turn around and say she's the cause of his22900:18:59,680 --> 00:19:08,320evil. No, punk. You're an idiot. You're a jerk. And you're not likeable. But hey, the joke's on you23000:19:08,320 --> 00:19:12,720because guess what? When I was in prison, I went in prison. You ready? I worked in prison, right? I23100:19:12,720 --> 00:19:18,400worked at Angola. I was looking at this guy. Well, side note. I was looking at this fella while he's23200:19:18,800 --> 00:19:23,360sitting there behind his defense team of seven people. And I'm thinking, you know, if I freaking run23300:19:23,360 --> 00:19:28,880a traffic light, I'm not going to get anybody to care about me. You murder 17 people. And we've got these23400:19:28,880 --> 00:19:33,600want to be, you know, save the world vigilante. He's acting like you're worth something. But I was looking23500:19:33,600 --> 00:19:45,840at him and he fits every single notch on the rape target list. Now, I don't want to make rape23600:19:45,840 --> 00:19:53,600funny. It's not. But if ever, if ever, there were some type of vigilante justice that would go down23700:19:53,600 --> 00:19:59,760on this boy, he's about to find out. So when I was working in the prison, five foot seven or shorter,23800:19:59,760 --> 00:20:07,520under 160 pounds, white from urban areas, non, well, he doesn't fit this one nonviolent offender.23900:20:07,520 --> 00:20:15,360Obviously, he's a violent offender. But podna, you better hope they put you in solitary.24000:20:16,080 --> 00:20:19,440I'm telling you now, because, uh, Nicholas, you about to be24100:20:19,440 --> 00:20:29,760Nicholas. Okay. They're about to handle you, son. But Mr. Shactor, I thought did so wonderful.24200:20:29,760 --> 00:20:36,960Saying you failed you, podna. Nobody here failed you. The system, quote unquote, didn't fail you.24300:20:36,960 --> 00:20:42,320That's a cop out. We are the system. The system gave you years and years of therapy. The schools24400:20:42,320 --> 00:20:48,720recognized that you were nut. Your mother saw that you were crazy and not crazy in a poor fellow. He's24500:20:48,720 --> 00:20:56,720got a problem in an evil way. You were evil. You were mean. You are diabolical. And only a mother's love24600:20:56,720 --> 00:21:02,400would have stood that test. And until the day she died, she tried to help you and you wouldn't,24700:21:02,400 --> 00:21:10,240you wouldn't accept it. You didn't want it. So the jokes on you, because another fun fact, if you will,24800:21:11,440 --> 00:21:18,000the day that he was that, uh, Nicholas Cruz was sentenced was also Mr. Shactor's birthday.24900:21:18,000 --> 00:21:28,560And he said, so I'll leave you with this. This is the day that you disappear. You don't matter anymore.25000:21:28,560 --> 00:21:34,960For all intents and purposes, you're about to be wiped off the mat, buddy. No one cares about you. Your25100:21:34,960 --> 00:21:45,920mother's dead. Your piece of shit, those, my words, not his. Your life is meaningless. Your purpose25200:21:45,920 --> 00:21:53,360list. You're about to go to prison for the rest of your life. And I will celebrate every single,25300:21:53,360 --> 00:22:01,360I will celebrate this day from this day forward on my birthday knowing that you were no more.25400:22:03,600 --> 00:22:09,360I hope you enjoy it. I hope you have a good time, right? But he also said something else. I really25500:22:09,360 --> 00:22:16,960took two and he turned and talked to the jury directly and told them that they got it dead wrong.25600:22:16,960 --> 00:22:24,720And that he will now work to make absolute changes in the criminal justice system in terms of25700:22:24,720 --> 00:22:33,280jurors and needing a unanimous decision. So Florida recently, or Florida's law is that they have25800:22:33,280 --> 00:22:37,120to have a unanimous decision for him to have gotten the death penalty, which means one25900:22:37,120 --> 00:22:43,760juror thwarts an entire jury. Everyone on that jury could have said, let's, yeah, the death penalty.26000:22:43,760 --> 00:22:50,880One person thwarted that. Y'all, no matter what we do, people are going to have these,26100:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,920their beliefs, right? I have my beliefs. I try to be educated. I try to, you know, we're actually26200:22:55,920 --> 00:23:00,560election time. I actually go research what I'm going to be voting on because I think that my vote,26300:23:01,120 --> 00:23:06,240my opinion is that if you're not going to vote, then shut up. You don't get an opinion. If all you're26400:23:06,240 --> 00:23:10,560going to do is complain, get out of my way. I have things to do. Well, same thing here. If,26500:23:10,560 --> 00:23:17,360when we get a jury and it, it has to be unanimous and one person decides they're just against the26600:23:17,360 --> 00:23:22,080death penalty and no matter what, they're not going to vote for it. No, even if the law says they fit26700:23:22,080 --> 00:23:31,040the bill, even if, if Nicholas Cruz does not fit the bill of needs to be executed,26800:23:31,040 --> 00:23:36,800nobody on the planet does. The defense stood up at one point and said, the death penalty is for the26900:23:36,800 --> 00:23:43,520worst of the worst. Please tell me what's worse because what I saw was a 14 year old boy, Mr.27000:23:43,520 --> 00:23:49,600Shactor's son, right? Little Alex, 14 years old, in his little band uniform at school in his27100:23:49,600 --> 00:23:54,960English class, the picture he was in his band uniform, but he was in his English class,27200:23:54,960 --> 00:24:01,120right in essay and he gets a bullet to him and it, and kills him and he's done nothing. He probably27300:24:01,120 --> 00:24:05,920didn't even know Nicholas Cruz and then Nicholas Cruz continued and I hate saying his name. He27400:24:05,920 --> 00:24:10,960didn't deserve it. He's a friggin murderer and that's something I loved about the dad too is that27500:24:10,960 --> 00:24:15,840he did not call him by his name. He called him by his prisoner number. I didn't write it down. I27600:24:15,840 --> 00:24:19,040probably should have, but let's just say he was, you know, his number is one, two, three, four. He would27700:24:19,040 --> 00:24:25,760say and you prisoner number one, two, three, four, failed your mother and I was like, oh, it's burn,27800:24:25,760 --> 00:24:32,080right? Getting. Seems childish, but I liked it, right? It really solidified the fact that you're nothing.27900:24:32,080 --> 00:24:37,600You're nothing. You're a ward of the state, sir. You're no, but you will be told when to eat,28000:24:37,600 --> 00:24:45,200when to sleep. But on that note, one juror can thwart an entire jury and he avoided the death28100:24:45,200 --> 00:24:49,200penalty and then the defense wants to say that should be safe for the worst of the worst. There's28200:24:49,200 --> 00:24:55,680nothing worse than a coward who will plan. He put on his fatigues as ROTC fatigues or whatever you28300:24:55,680 --> 00:25:02,240want to call him. He walked on to campus. He planned. He got the weapons. He went and he murdered people.28400:25:02,240 --> 00:25:09,760He went up and down the halls. Some kids he went back and shot him again. What is worse than pre-meditated,28500:25:10,480 --> 00:25:16,560evil, murder of multiple people? He even made a video if you haven't been following this. He made a28600:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,320video. Matter of fact, we're going to find that video and we're going to pop it in here real quick,28700:25:20,320 --> 00:25:26,160the audio of it. Listen to him in his own words. Today is the day. The day that it all begins,28800:25:26,160 --> 00:25:36,000the day of my massacre shall begin. All the kids in school have been fear and hide. From the wrath28900:25:36,000 --> 00:25:43,440of my power they will know who I am. I am nothing. I am no one. My life is nothing and meaningless.29000:25:43,440 --> 00:25:51,520Everything that I hold dear I let go beyond your half. Every day I see the world ending another day.29100:25:51,520 --> 00:26:01,440I live a long life, live in seclusion and solitude. I hate everyone and everything. With the power of my29200:26:01,440 --> 00:26:10,480AR you will all know who I am. I had enough of being told what to do and when to do. I had enough of being29300:26:10,480 --> 00:26:17,680telling me that I'm an idiot and a dumbass. In real life you're all the dumbass. You're all stupid29400:26:17,680 --> 00:26:26,000and brainwashed by these fucking political government programs. You will all see you will all know who29500:26:26,000 --> 00:26:36,000my name is. I love for you Angie will never go away. I hope to see you in the afterlife. On one day29600:26:36,000 --> 00:26:46,800another you will end and will all die. Hello. My name is Nick and I'm going to be in next school sugar29700:26:46,800 --> 00:26:55,440of 2018. My goal is at least 20 people with an AR 15 and a couple of trace rounds. I think I can do a29800:26:55,440 --> 00:27:06,160good done. Location is Sturm Douglas and Parkland Florida. It's going to be a big event.29900:27:06,160 --> 00:27:14,960And when you see me on the news, you'll all know who I am. You're all going to die.30000:27:20,160 --> 00:27:29,440Can't wait. Here's a plan. I'm going to go take Uber in the afternoon before 240. I'm there. I'll go into30100:27:29,440 --> 00:27:40,560my school campus, walk up the stairs, load my bags and get my AR and shoot people down at the main30200:27:41,280 --> 00:27:51,600was it the main courtyard? Wait and people will die. So how do you like that? How do you like what he just said30300:27:51,600 --> 00:27:58,240in it from from his own mouth, right? From his own mouth, he's talking about it like as a baseball game30400:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,680and these kids are asleep or are at home on in their own business, doing their homework,30500:28:03,680 --> 00:28:09,200hanging out with their family for the last days of their lives and have no clue. It's evil.30600:28:10,560 --> 00:28:18,240You're right. It should be for the worst of the worst. And this guy, he fits the bill. If the 700 pages30700:28:18,240 --> 00:28:27,520and 15 years or however, 10 years of medical intervention can't fix you, what will?30800:28:27,520 --> 00:28:36,640And another thing, you ought to go do a little research on this. The defense30900:28:38,080 --> 00:28:44,480table acted so immature. It was an embarrassment. At one point, one of the female defense31000:28:44,480 --> 00:28:51,280team members reaches up her right hand and pretends she's scratching her cheek and flips the judge off.31100:28:51,280 --> 00:28:57,920Okay, if we were in my 11th grade class and a kid did that to another kid, okay,31200:28:57,920 --> 00:29:05,840that's bad behavior, but I get it funny, right? But if I were the parent of a dead child31300:29:06,640 --> 00:29:14,880and that behavior came out of that defense table, the bailiff would earn his paycheck that day31400:29:14,880 --> 00:29:23,440because mama would be coming across that table. I'm telling you and how dare you, the disrespect31500:29:23,440 --> 00:29:29,680and we wonder, we wonder if our kids act like they do. She laughed with the killer afterwards.31600:29:31,040 --> 00:29:42,000She laughed with him. Can you imagine being the parent? I have no words for that. So how about this,31700:29:42,000 --> 00:29:50,800another little girl, her name was Alyssa. Alyssa's mom got up and I really, I really like the mama here31800:29:50,800 --> 00:29:57,040and she said to him to the killer. She said, I would have had the courage to run in that building31900:29:57,040 --> 00:30:03,200and would have taken the eight bullets for her. Her little girl, y'all took eight bullets32000:30:03,200 --> 00:30:08,000and she said, I would have run in that building and taken the eight bullets for her.32100:30:08,000 --> 00:30:15,040And then she said, quote, I hope you are miserable the rest of your pathetic life.32200:30:15,040 --> 00:30:23,840And there was like an intense stare down. She said, may your life be painful and show no mercy.32300:30:26,080 --> 00:30:36,080He showed no mercy. Why? Why are we showing mercy to someone who refused to show mercy to others?32400:30:36,080 --> 00:30:42,960So I don't know if y'all remember this case. I know I do. And again, this has nothing to do with,32500:30:42,960 --> 00:30:47,680you know, any political thing or anything, but Matthew Shepard, do you all remember that case where he was32600:30:47,680 --> 00:30:54,960a young gay little short, small, statured white guy and he was beaten to death and tied to a32700:30:54,960 --> 00:31:06,560fence post and he ends up dying. That was in lyromy. But you know, there's a show out. It's an old movie.32800:31:06,560 --> 00:31:12,240You can probably find it maybe on Netflix or something, but I'll never forget the end of that movie,32900:31:12,240 --> 00:31:17,760spoiler alert. When the entire movie, they're struggling, right now. I told you we wanted to talk33000:31:17,760 --> 00:31:23,440about victims, but the whole movie is centered around the struggle of his parents, of what they wanted to do33100:31:23,920 --> 00:31:28,320as far as the request of what should happen to the killers of him. Again, it was unprovoked.33200:31:28,320 --> 00:31:33,840The defense at one point on this case tried to argue gay panic was why they killed him, which is the most33300:31:33,840 --> 00:31:39,200absurd thing I've ever heard in my life, but we're going to play audio. Now this is from the movie,33400:31:39,200 --> 00:31:44,080but I felt like the actor did a good job and we're going to play for you the victim impact statement33500:31:44,080 --> 00:31:52,960read to the killers. And the dad here is who reads the statement. And there's a part in here you're33600:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,600going to hear what he says. I'm going to give you a grant you the gift of life. And I'm going to show you33700:31:57,600 --> 00:32:03,600mercy because you were where you refused to show mercy to my son. And I hope you live a long, long life.33800:32:03,600 --> 00:32:09,920Go ahead and take a listen real quick. My son Matthew did not look like a winner.33900:32:09,920 --> 00:32:17,600He was rather uncoordinated and wore braces from the age of 13 until the day he died.34000:32:20,240 --> 00:32:28,720However, in his all too brief life, he proved that he was a winner. On October 6th, 1998, my son tried34100:32:28,720 --> 00:32:40,160to show the world that he could win again. On October 12th, 1998, my first born son and my hero lost.34200:32:40,160 --> 00:32:48,480On October 12th, 1998, my first born son and my hero died.34300:32:48,480 --> 00:33:00,96050 days before his 22nd birthday. I keep wondering the same thing that I did when I first saw him in the34400:33:00,960 --> 00:33:09,680hospital. What would he have become? How could he have changed his piece of the world to make it better?34500:33:12,240 --> 00:33:19,600Matt officially died in a hospital in Fort Collins, Colorado. He actually died on the outskirts of34600:33:19,600 --> 00:33:31,360Laramie. Tied to offense. You, Mr. McKinney, with your friend Mr. Henderson left him there by himself.34700:33:31,360 --> 00:33:39,920But he was not alone. There were his lifelong friends with him.34800:33:41,840 --> 00:33:48,160Friends that he had grown up with. You're probably wondering who these friends were.34900:33:48,160 --> 00:33:56,560First he had the beautiful night sky and the same stars and moon we used to see through a telescope.35000:33:56,560 --> 00:34:02,480Then he had the daylight and the sun to shine on him.35100:34:02,480 --> 00:34:10,400And through it all, he was breathing in the scent of the pine trees from the snowy range.35200:34:10,960 --> 00:34:19,600He heard the wind. He ever present my oaming wind for the last time.35300:34:19,600 --> 00:34:27,280He had one more friend with him. He had God.35400:34:27,280 --> 00:34:33,760And I feel better knowing he wasn't alone.35500:34:37,120 --> 00:34:41,600Matt's beating, hospitalization, and funeral focus worldwide attention on hate.35600:34:41,600 --> 00:34:52,640Good is coming out of evil. People have said enough is enough. I miss my son.35700:34:52,640 --> 00:34:57,120But I am proud to be able to say that he was my son.35800:35:00,400 --> 00:35:07,440Judy has been quoted as being against the death penalty. It has been stated that Matt was against the35900:35:07,440 --> 00:35:15,360death penalty. Both of these statements are wrong. I too believe in the death penalty.36000:35:15,360 --> 00:35:27,040I would like nothing better than to see you die, Mr. McKinney.36100:35:27,200 --> 00:35:35,680However, this is the time to begin the healing process36200:35:35,680 --> 00:35:41,920to show mercy to someone who refused to show any mercy.36300:35:54,320 --> 00:36:03,680Mr. McKinney, I am going to grant you life as hard as it is to do so because of Matthew.36400:36:03,680 --> 00:36:12,240Every time you celebrate Christmas, a birthday, the Fourth of July, remember that Matt isn't.36500:36:12,240 --> 00:36:21,280Every time you wake up in your prison cell, remember you had the opportunity and the ability36600:36:21,280 --> 00:36:29,040to stop your actions that night. You robbed me of something very precious and I will never forgive you.36700:36:29,040 --> 00:36:44,480Mr. McKinney, I give you life in the memory of someone who no longer lives.36800:36:47,040 --> 00:36:52,800May you have a long life and may you thank Matthew every day.36900:36:52,800 --> 00:37:09,360I feel the pain or I sympathize if you will, the pain of these parents when they're saying my god.37000:37:09,360 --> 00:37:14,160You know, if people are like, oh, we got these killers get life in prison and that's worth in the37100:37:14,160 --> 00:37:22,000death penalty. No, it's not. No, it's not. If you think that, then let's go right back to the37200:37:22,000 --> 00:37:27,440audio we just listened to and discuss that for a second. Every birthday that these killers get37300:37:27,440 --> 00:37:34,080to celebrate, their victims won't. Every holiday, every phone call from their parent or a friend,37400:37:34,080 --> 00:37:41,760every visitation, every breath that they take, their victim doesn't. I don't37500:37:42,720 --> 00:37:46,800ever want to feel what these parents have felt, but I recognize the fact that37600:37:46,800 --> 00:37:56,880you know, having to decide or wanting to, getting to make the decision where someone lives or dies37700:37:56,880 --> 00:38:03,200on a jury, I get that, that that is a heavy decision to make. However, I think in some instances,37800:38:03,200 --> 00:38:09,600it's warranted. It is what it is. I mean, even the Bible doesn't eye for an eye, right? But37900:38:12,240 --> 00:38:20,960the victim impact statements shouldn't be disregarded or thought of as vengeful because they're not38000:38:20,960 --> 00:38:25,760vengeful. They're getting to express how they feel. The dad that I was just talking about Mr. Shactor38100:38:25,760 --> 00:38:33,200said that he's going to work to try to change the law to where it's not a unanimous jury decision38200:38:33,200 --> 00:38:40,480on the death penalty. You know, in Louisiana, we have unanimous jury and I don't like that now. This case38300:38:40,480 --> 00:38:44,960changed that for me. On one side of the coin, I do see how you could say, all right, well, you know,38400:38:44,960 --> 00:38:51,760you are putting someone to death. We all should agree that it's that egregious, but this shows a failure38500:38:51,760 --> 00:38:59,360to me. This is a failure. If that does not apply in this situation, then nothing will ever meet the38600:38:59,360 --> 00:39:05,920muster. Now, again, I'm an illegal expert and just a human being, but I'm paying attention.38700:39:06,480 --> 00:39:11,280And I think that you ought to see what the law is in your state even. Check it out. What do you know about38800:39:11,280 --> 00:39:18,640your state? That's just unacceptable. And I don't want you to think I'm vengeful or that I'm38900:39:18,640 --> 00:39:27,040you know, bloodthirsty or anything like that. It's not that. It's that some people do not deserve39000:39:27,040 --> 00:39:33,040to be amongst us when they have proven that they do not have any regard39100:39:34,880 --> 00:39:41,440for our rules, our constitution, or for just general decency towards others. Mr. Shackard,39200:39:41,440 --> 00:39:48,720another thing he said, this, I'm telling you, this guy was a boss. He even laughed at the psychologist.39300:39:48,720 --> 00:39:54,320I found her stood what he said correctly, which I think I did. The psychologist or the woman that39400:39:54,320 --> 00:40:02,560was calling Cruz and befriending him was the mother of a Sandy Hook victim. Don't get it twisted.39500:40:03,200 --> 00:40:12,640I am devastated for the Sandy Hook parents. I am so devastated for them. I remember seeing the newspaper39600:40:12,640 --> 00:40:17,680release the day after Sandy Hook happened and there was a front page picture of me and my mom were39700:40:17,680 --> 00:40:22,320going in Walmart. And on that front page, you could see the little little kids with their hands out,39800:40:22,320 --> 00:40:27,200you know, like running away from the building. They were little and one little girl just stood out to39900:40:27,200 --> 00:40:33,360me because she was taller, much taller than the rest of the other students and she reminded me of my40000:40:33,360 --> 00:40:38,320daughter because my daughter who's 14 is they near a foot taller than me and she's always been the40100:40:38,320 --> 00:40:43,040tallest in her class and it just really, it pulled at my heart because I'm like, oh my god, those babies.40200:40:43,040 --> 00:40:48,800But this is where I'd like to talk to people who this is not a political thing. This is just a40300:40:49,840 --> 00:40:57,360just hear me out. The woman is calling Nicholas Cruz and this is documented and when they hang up she says,40400:40:57,360 --> 00:41:04,800I love you to him. Like she is going to somehow love the evil out of him and he says, I love you too.40500:41:04,800 --> 00:41:12,400And then on a write-up immediately after they hang up the phone and he goes back to his cell,40600:41:13,520 --> 00:41:24,720he takes his hemorrhoid blood from his butt and paints six, six, six on his cell wall. This is why people40700:41:24,720 --> 00:41:29,520who are in law enforcement or who have worked in corrections, a lot of people like, man, you're jaded40800:41:29,520 --> 00:41:34,880or you're hard, you know, hard core towards people. Everyone can change. Everyone has the ability,40900:41:34,880 --> 00:41:41,680sure, sure, everyone could. Yeah, well, I could get hit by a car today. I could solve, you know,41000:41:41,680 --> 00:41:50,160world hunger, but I'm not. Okay. And I don't mean that, you know, yeah, do I mean it, I do. I mean it from41100:41:50,160 --> 00:41:57,760my heart. Some people cannot be fixed and people look like fools when they're calling up here telling41200:41:57,760 --> 00:42:04,480these people acting like they're going to love the evil out of someone. He makes a mockery of the sister.41300:42:04,480 --> 00:42:12,560He makes a mockery of that woman. And I think maybe in her heart she's trying to show love and mercy41400:42:12,560 --> 00:42:21,200where it wasn't shown to her child. I get that and how admirable from a, just from a humanistic standpoint,41500:42:21,200 --> 00:42:27,920how admirable that someone could try to turn tragedy into love. But this is he's making a full of you.41600:42:27,920 --> 00:42:34,080You know, when I worked in the prison system, it always, I don't know how it made me feel, but I41700:42:34,080 --> 00:42:39,840don't ever want to laugh at people. And I definitely don't want to laugh or look condescendingly down on41800:42:39,840 --> 00:42:46,800anyone who would take their time to come into a prison and try to minister to the inmates. They are41900:42:46,800 --> 00:42:56,400good people, you know, I go to church, I believe in Jesus. But they would come and just minister and42000:42:56,400 --> 00:43:01,840preach to these men. And I would watch these men just accept it and oh, you're just changing their42100:43:01,840 --> 00:43:06,800life and you know, look at all the happiness and the joy in the, in the clouds part in the birds saying42200:43:06,800 --> 00:43:12,720the butterflies are flapping and not 10 minutes after those people walk out of the prison gates and go42300:43:12,720 --> 00:43:17,600back home to their church and, and to their lives, which I'm not, I'm not knocking that, but not 10 minutes42400:43:17,600 --> 00:43:21,920later. These guys are back up in the church looking for, I mean, back up in the prison, looking for dope,42500:43:21,920 --> 00:43:28,720sleeping with one another and then visiting with their wives in the weekend. So I don't know, am I42600:43:28,720 --> 00:43:33,680jaded or am I living in the real world because I know what I saw. I know what I, what I worked in. I know what,42700:43:33,680 --> 00:43:39,760I know, I just know what I'm dealing with. And this guy is a prime example of the ain't worth the42800:43:39,760 --> 00:43:44,480oxygen. One of the brothers of one of the victims and I feel bad, I don't have his name written down42900:43:44,480 --> 00:43:49,680right here, but I won't forget he, he stood up and he said, you need to look at me, but he was talking43000:43:49,680 --> 00:43:58,160to the jury too. He said, there's no reason why this monster should be spared his life while my sister43100:43:58,160 --> 00:44:04,400rots in a grave. Why is the killer getting grace that a victim didn't receive? I cannot wrap my brain43200:44:04,400 --> 00:44:09,760around it. I am a nice person, y'all. I will give you the shirt off my back. I have tried to be kind,43300:44:09,760 --> 00:44:14,160and I love people who are different than me, and I try to be kind to people, even if I don't agree43400:44:14,160 --> 00:44:20,400with you because kindness is free. But there's not going to be a day that someone's going to do something43500:44:20,400 --> 00:44:29,840to my kid of this level and me show an ounce of grace. I don't know if that makes me a bad person, maybe so,43600:44:29,840 --> 00:44:36,240but my job on this planet is to protect these babies that I brought into this world and I'll be damned43700:44:36,240 --> 00:44:41,360if it's not going to happen. And I know these parents felt the same way. I just would have slapped in the43800:44:41,360 --> 00:44:52,240face. What an absolute slap in the face. So on the note of shootings, someone sent me a video of43900:44:52,240 --> 00:45:01,280Ben Shapiro having the gun controlled debate with Pears Morgan.44000:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,760Well, I think what would make sense is laws that are calibrated to solve the problem. So if you44100:45:05,760 --> 00:45:10,640think that the problem is the only assault rifle, which guns would you remove? I think the ones that have44200:45:10,640 --> 00:45:15,280largely been removed from the market, fully automatic weapons would be a good start. I think that44300:45:15,280 --> 00:45:18,960you wouldn't remove any semi-albumics at all. And no, because semi-albumics just means that when44400:45:18,960 --> 00:45:22,880you pull the trigger, one bullet comes out. You understand how easy it is for farmers, essentially?44500:45:22,880 --> 00:45:27,120You understand how the AR-15 performance when it's been modified and has a magazine44600:45:27,120 --> 00:45:30,960on the North Hollywood shootout. You know what? It was illegal to do that, and people did it anyway.44700:45:30,960 --> 00:45:35,360We have 12 million illegal immigrants in this country. We're not able to stop people from coming44800:45:35,360 --> 00:45:39,840illegally into this country over the southern border into places like California where I live normally.44900:45:39,840 --> 00:45:44,960I think you'd be very hard pressed. You stop guns from coming across that border illegally as well.45000:45:44,960 --> 00:45:48,720I mean, California has some of the strictest laws. Would you want to be an American to have an AR-15?45100:45:48,720 --> 00:45:52,320No, not every American. Who would you stop? I would stop anyone with a criminal background.45200:45:52,320 --> 00:45:57,760I would stop anybody with a history of mental illness. And I would ask, I would require that45300:45:57,760 --> 00:46:01,200people who have somebody who has a criminal background or a history of mental illness in the45400:46:01,200 --> 00:46:08,160household keep that gun locked up and safe. What about the background checks? 40% of all gun sales in45500:46:08,160 --> 00:46:12,320America now, gun trades are not covered by background checks. I believe in background checks for45600:46:12,320 --> 00:46:16,720everybody, for everybody. So there should be a database, a national register? If it's not public. I45700:46:16,720 --> 00:46:20,640don't like what happened with the journal news, putting out gun permits, which allows criminals to45800:46:20,640 --> 00:46:25,440target particular homes. So ever the one to want to listen to both sides, I have my opinion, but I45900:46:25,440 --> 00:46:29,520want to listen to both sides. I don't want to go political here, but I just want to go logic.46000:46:29,520 --> 00:46:33,440You know, there's a lot of discussion in this country of what should we do, right? If we didn't have46100:46:33,440 --> 00:46:38,800these high capacity weapons, then these mass shootings wouldn't take place. Well, I'm just, I'm here46200:46:38,800 --> 00:46:44,960to tell you, it's just that's not true. People will find a way when they want to hurt people.46300:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,120They will find a way. There's a case that happened. I don't remember what state it was, but46400:46:49,120 --> 00:46:52,880these hairy christmas, they were having an election. I don't remember the state. I should have46500:46:52,880 --> 00:46:57,840looked it up, but again, I'm not scripted, but they were having a election and these hairy christmas46600:46:57,840 --> 00:47:04,480wanted to have control. And next thing you know, people start dropping dead in this in this county46700:47:04,480 --> 00:47:08,960in the state and they can't figure out what's going on. And then when they finally solve it,46800:47:08,960 --> 00:47:12,720they were going around Yarnham Rashonis, right? We had the buffet and you go get your food at the46900:47:12,720 --> 00:47:19,760buffet. They were going around to Shonis and they were taking bottles of like spray pump bottles47000:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,440and spray in Salmonella on the food and getting everyone sick. And it was killing people because47100:47:25,440 --> 00:47:29,440they wanted to stop people, they wanted to make everyone sick where they couldn't go out and vote47200:47:29,440 --> 00:47:34,960so that they could win an election. Evil will find a way. You should go look up how many47300:47:34,960 --> 00:47:39,440car wrecks happen in this country every day and you're going to go, damn, that's a lot of car wrecks.47400:47:39,440 --> 00:47:46,000But you'll notice that nobody says we ought to ban cars. Why do we want to take the good law47500:47:46,000 --> 00:47:55,040abiding citizens and take away their right to bear arms because of evil? I don't, there's just not,47600:47:55,040 --> 00:48:00,720that does not make sense. Dylan Clebold, Eric Harris and Columbine got their weapons illegally47700:48:00,720 --> 00:48:07,200through somebody else. They didn't even have the ability to get them themselves. They got them47800:48:07,200 --> 00:48:12,800through somebody else. Dylan Cruz, you know, we have to be smart with our weapons and that's part47900:48:12,800 --> 00:48:20,400of gun ownership. If someone has a mental issue and you recognize that, why on green,48000:48:20,400 --> 00:48:24,800this green earth would you ever give them a weapon? That's part of your duty as a weapon owner is48100:48:24,800 --> 00:48:32,240to lock it up is to ensure that it is safe, you know, and if you don't like weapons, then don't buy them.48200:48:32,240 --> 00:48:39,280That could solve that problem for you too. But to argue that we want to limit the rights of people48300:48:39,280 --> 00:48:46,400because we have this select few who don't follow the rules. It doesn't work that way. You know,48400:48:46,400 --> 00:48:53,680the sad reality is that at these school systems, we have one school resource officer, maybe two.48500:48:53,680 --> 00:48:58,480And, you know, they have a, what, a nine millimeter or 45 or something on their hip. They're going to have48600:48:58,480 --> 00:49:05,280to go get their larger weapons. It's going to take time. I think the response in the parklin shooting48700:49:05,280 --> 00:49:10,960was six and a half minutes, seven minutes, which is the average actually because I do teach 911 and48800:49:10,960 --> 00:49:15,440our stat show, the average, like the national average is a seven minute response to the schools. But48900:49:15,440 --> 00:49:20,000people say, oh, let's arm the teachers. That's a firm know and that's coming from a teacher. You have49000:49:20,000 --> 00:49:23,840to understand police tactics and this country does not understand police tactics. We can go on a49100:49:23,840 --> 00:49:28,240whole tangent there. But if you don't understand policing, we definitely don't want everybody to run49200:49:28,240 --> 00:49:33,680around with a gun. We also, you know, the first rule of a gun is there's always one introduced into49300:49:33,680 --> 00:49:39,840a altercation. And it's the one that you're carrying. So we don't want teachers who don't understand49400:49:39,840 --> 00:49:45,600weapon retention, having a weapon on their side. And then possibly, I don't know, getting jumped by49500:49:45,600 --> 00:49:49,120kid or if everyone knows they're wearing their weapon because they want to be bravado about it,49600:49:49,120 --> 00:49:53,600you know, there's a million things that could go wrong there. I would think it'd be cool to explore49700:49:53,600 --> 00:49:57,440if you had teachers that were willing to go through an academy, a legitimate academy,49800:49:57,440 --> 00:50:03,280the law enforcement trained, understand scope of response and weapon retention, all that. Okay,49900:50:03,280 --> 00:50:07,520then maybe we're getting somewhere, maybe a couple on the campus, full out, arming of everybody in50000:50:07,520 --> 00:50:12,560their mom on the campuses. I don't think that's the answer. To just say, do away with, I just don't50100:50:12,560 --> 00:50:17,440see how that is the answer to this problem because you're not doing away with evil. It's not50200:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,560going away. Diabetes is not going away. Why? Because we know how to fix diabetes, but we're not getting50300:50:22,560 --> 00:50:30,640rid of the behaviors or the genetic predisposition or, you know, it just doesn't work like that. You can't50400:50:30,640 --> 00:50:38,400take evil out of people. Baning guns will not stop people from being evil. Go look at the statistics50500:50:38,400 --> 00:50:42,640of how many people are killed by baseball bats. How many people are killed by hand strangulation?50600:50:43,200 --> 00:50:48,720You probably be shocked. Uniform crime report, if you want to know where to look, it's called the50700:50:48,720 --> 00:50:53,120uniform crime report. You can look up your county, you can look up your city, your parish, your state,50800:50:53,120 --> 00:50:58,000you can look it up by region of the United States, do some research. Don't jump on a bandwagon just50900:50:58,000 --> 00:51:01,840because someone says, hey, we should just take it all away because I don't think that's the answer.51000:51:01,840 --> 00:51:08,160I think the answer is we need to stand up, snatch and not in some of these kids' asses and start51100:51:08,160 --> 00:51:13,920parenting. Number one, and when parents recognize in their own kids like Nicholas Cruz's mother,51200:51:13,920 --> 00:51:23,200recognize that he was a nut, that's when we need to have mental health lock up situations, right?51300:51:23,200 --> 00:51:30,480And again, I'm not an expert on mental health. I don't claim to be, but I do know that we got to do51400:51:30,480 --> 00:51:37,040something in this country and everyone in their mama, including his mama knew that this dude was nuts51500:51:37,600 --> 00:51:43,760and that he had the propensity for evil and nothing was done and you need to ask yourself why.51600:51:43,760 --> 00:51:50,480With that said, I think I'm gonna go ahead and wrap up for today. I got all, all hot and bothered by,51700:51:50,480 --> 00:51:57,200by all the stress of, we got to do something and it's we as a people, all the good people. We don't51800:51:57,200 --> 00:52:03,520have to agree on everything, but we should always agree that we got to stop evil and sometimes that51900:52:03,520 --> 00:52:09,840means that we're gonna have to do things the hard way, but hell, if you're path demands that you walk52000:52:09,840 --> 00:52:19,120through hell, we need to walk through it like we own the damn place.52100:52:19,120 --> 00:52:30,400I actually have a special guest for you and if you remember, I had discussed a father that gave52200:52:31,040 --> 00:52:36,480his impact statement and his final statements in regards to the parklin shooting and that his son52300:52:36,480 --> 00:52:42,320was one of the unfortunate victims of that shooting and how much he touched my soul. Well, guess what?52400:52:42,320 --> 00:52:49,680I reached out to to that father, his name is Mr. Max Schachter and I am honored that I have him52500:52:49,680 --> 00:52:55,920on the show today. So hello, Mr. Max, how are you? I'm doing okay, Kelly, thanks for having me.52600:52:55,920 --> 00:53:00,880No problem. And I want to start out by telling our listeners that you are the founder and executive52700:53:00,880 --> 00:53:07,680director of Safe Schools for Alex and he's a huge advocate for school safety. He is a corporate52800:53:07,680 --> 00:53:14,320and governmental advisor and inspirational and entrepreneurial speaker from anguish to advocacy.52900:53:14,320 --> 00:53:21,760Is there anything you would add to that? No, no, I just got back from Wisconsin and Phoenix and I was53000:53:21,760 --> 00:53:30,000just in Ohio yesterday where I speak to law enforcement organizations, school districts,53100:53:30,000 --> 00:53:36,320basically just trying to educate everyone about the lessons that we learned from parklin so that53200:53:36,320 --> 00:53:42,960this never happened again. Absolutely. And I wanted to tell you this too and I hope you know from my53300:53:42,960 --> 00:53:49,040from my heart, it is so genuine that I'm so appreciative of you taking the time to speak with me53400:53:49,040 --> 00:53:55,280because I really feel like this is almost equivalent to you know opening someone's diary53500:53:55,280 --> 00:54:00,400and I'm not supposed to be privy to those details you know and it's like I'm reading your diary53600:54:00,400 --> 00:54:04,960and I can't imagine what that must be like to handle this on the you know in front of the world.53700:54:04,960 --> 00:54:14,320Yeah, no, it is it is hard but I appreciate you devoting a whole show to this to talk about what53800:54:14,320 --> 00:54:20,720happened in parkland and and it's important because as I travel the country there is still so much53900:54:20,720 --> 00:54:26,640complacency people don't think it's going to happen in their community and then I hope that54000:54:26,640 --> 00:54:32,960after this conversation they will take an active role in the safety and security of their schools.54100:54:32,960 --> 00:54:39,040100%. So I wanted to say a few words to you and I want to see what your thoughts are on these few words.54200:54:40,640 --> 00:54:49,120Chocolate Chip cookies Nutella Crapes, Yukon, Big Brown Eyes, Beef Pot Roast,54300:54:49,120 --> 00:55:01,120Trombone, Brother, Anime, Rec Basketball, 105 pounds, 65 inches tall, 2018.54400:55:01,120 --> 00:55:10,240Yeah, that's my little boy. You love me. Yeah, you love me. Love Nutella and Nutella Crapes versus54500:55:10,240 --> 00:55:20,320Bayer thing and yeah, he was he was he was all of that in more and yeah, we missed him a lot.54600:55:20,320 --> 00:55:27,520And a sweet heart. Not that that makes it worse or better but it would a precious soul because I've54700:55:27,520 --> 00:55:34,880been looking a lot at his photos and his pictures and you as an individual as a dad when I was54800:55:34,880 --> 00:55:43,120following this on on the TV you personally stood out to me. So a lot of my listeners know that you know54900:55:43,120 --> 00:55:50,960I'm a teacher as well as a commission deputy but also you know I do the podcast and I really focus55000:55:50,960 --> 00:55:56,160on victims because they're not a headline you know this isn't some story just read and go wow that's55100:55:56,160 --> 00:56:04,320terrible and then move on from it because it's forever right and you know tell me tell me this55200:56:04,320 --> 00:56:10,560that day in Parkland how did that day start for you can you tell me kind of how it went?55300:56:10,560 --> 00:56:16,080Yeah, it was it was Valentine's Day and I was my wife and I were at the Silicon oven and55400:56:16,080 --> 00:56:24,400how to how to great lunch and then we came home at must have been around two o'clock and55500:56:25,280 --> 00:56:35,600and then at at two two nineteen the murderer walk through an unlocked unstacked gate at Marjorie55600:56:35,600 --> 00:56:44,720Stelman Douglas High School and at two twenty one he pulled his AR-15 out of his guitar case that that he55700:56:44,720 --> 00:56:56,080had that he had bought to conceal his his AR-15 and started shooting at at kids in the hallway55800:56:56,080 --> 00:57:04,800and shooting from the hallway into every classroom down the hallway and into Alex's classroom55900:57:05,760 --> 00:57:14,960and and then going floor to floor and and shooting kids again after he shot them one shooting them at56000:57:14,960 --> 00:57:23,040point blank range with their hands up trying to protect themselves and and murdering teachers as well56100:57:23,040 --> 00:57:34,560and then after so it must have been must have been as I think about it now what time that happened it56200:57:34,560 --> 00:57:41,600must have been it like it's like two twenty five or two thirty that I actually got home now that I56300:57:41,600 --> 00:57:50,560think about it and the I'm on a band app I'm on the field crew of Alex these allisers in the Marjorie56400:57:50,560 --> 00:57:56,960Stelman Douglas Ego Regiment Marching Band and they said that there was a shooting at Alex's56500:57:56,960 --> 00:58:05,600high school and so I went over there I drove over there and as I got close it was completely bought56600:58:05,600 --> 00:58:11,200blocked off with cars everybody was double parked and there was this roundabout that I I double56700:58:11,200 --> 00:58:19,520parked in the roundabout and I walked over there you know casually you know my mind was thinking that56800:58:19,520 --> 00:58:28,000I'm sure it's nothing and and if it is something you know I'm sure Alex is okay and then as I got56900:58:28,000 --> 00:58:32,240over there I'm like this is crazy there's so much law enforcement I'm like what can I do is I57000:58:32,240 --> 00:58:37,440walk back to my car and I'm walking back to the car my wife calls me and she's screaming at me and57100:58:37,440 --> 00:58:45,040crying and she said I said what's going on what's wrong it just is Alex has been shot and I said what57200:58:45,040 --> 00:58:53,040are you talking about she said well our our our our little neighbor down the street who was in57300:58:53,040 --> 00:59:02,000Alex's class she saw Alex be shot and and so she said she's crying and she said you better get57400:59:02,000 --> 00:59:09,200over there Alex has been shot and so I went to try to go back to school and this one guy said57500:59:09,200 --> 00:59:14,800no sir so you can't go any further and then and said okay I said and then I went behind the57600:59:14,800 --> 00:59:21,680firm I'm like I'm going and I tried to go out further down the school and and then again I was blocked57700:59:21,680 --> 00:59:27,760by by the Brad Sheriff's Office deputies and and he said don't worry I said you don't understand57800:59:27,760 --> 00:59:33,280that my son's been shot he said well don't worry sir your son's been taken to the hospital and57900:59:33,280 --> 00:59:40,080that's that's where I went I went to you know the hospital and my my other family went to other58000:59:40,080 --> 00:59:48,000hospitals to try to find Alex and then at the hospital it was just chaos and crying and and then they58100:59:48,000 --> 00:59:53,280said oh don't it's a miss or exactly we found your son I said oh fantastic thank God he's in the58200:59:53,280 --> 00:59:58,800emergency room and I went over there to she said he's right there I'm gonna take you through the58300:59:58,800 --> 01:00:04,240back entrance and and as we get in there she's like oh he didn't that that bed right there I opened58401:00:04,240 --> 01:00:12,720the the the great and it's empty and come to find out that they got Alex Shactor mixed up with Alex58501:00:12,720 --> 01:00:20,960Touarete who was one of the injured little boys and then nothing able to find him and and then we found58601:00:20,960 --> 01:00:28,080out as we were driving home that that the family assistant center they were holding that at the58701:00:28,080 --> 01:00:33,600Marriott Conference Center Conference Room and we got there we're doing like a hundred on the58801:00:33,600 --> 01:00:40,160saw graph on the shoulder because it was bumper to bumper traffic um and then and then we got to58901:00:40,160 --> 01:00:47,520the family assistant center and it just packed with people um everybody screaming and crying and59001:00:47,520 --> 01:00:54,240wanting to know where their their kids and their loved ones are and I had never seen so much clergy59101:00:54,240 --> 01:01:02,080in my life and um and then you know that was at five o'clock and and then the law enforcement59201:01:02,080 --> 01:01:08,000in the FBI couldn't tell me anything we met with them I'm like where is my where is my son she couldn't59301:01:08,000 --> 01:01:13,040tell me I'm like don't you know I'm like can't you just look in the hospitals and see where he is59401:01:13,040 --> 01:01:20,160right and so you couldn't she couldn't tell me anything and then as uh then that was five o'clock59501:01:20,160 --> 01:01:25,360and then six and seven o'clock and I and be it so kept telling us we'll send us a picture of your59601:01:25,360 --> 01:01:30,800loved one and I'm like I already did that and they're like what we need it again and so we did it again59701:01:30,800 --> 01:01:37,280and emailed it to the email address they sent us and seven eight nine o'clock and gave us no59801:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,200information at all just telling us to send them pictures and it wasn't until one o'clock this morning59901:01:43,200 --> 01:01:49,040where I got called into a little room in the in outside the conference center and uh it was60001:01:49,040 --> 01:01:55,120with the FBI victim services and they told me that that Alex was was murdered in in margarie storm60101:01:55,120 --> 01:02:02,560and Douglas and I had a bad feeling in the pit of my stomach that you know as I was going to the hospital60201:02:02,560 --> 01:02:10,160I called my called my older son Ryan and I said Ryan I said we can't find Alex and because I was60301:02:10,160 --> 01:02:15,920looking at his life 360 and Alex always had his phone with him and his phone was was at that60401:02:16,880 --> 01:02:24,560that that horrible school and um and and and Ryan said dad don't worry it's gonna be okay I said60501:02:24,560 --> 01:02:30,160noona I said Ryan you don't understand I said Alex might might not come home and he's like60601:02:30,160 --> 01:02:37,600dad it's going we're gonna be okay so it's just just horrible and and my my older son Ryan was60701:02:37,600 --> 01:02:43,200really the rock of the family I was very impressed by him didn't he sit next to you during the60801:02:43,200 --> 01:02:51,920victim impact statement to read yeah yes I watched him yeah I um I just can't at you know you're in a club60901:02:51,920 --> 01:02:58,560nobody wants to be a part of you know yeah um but did you as the day kind of went on and you61001:02:58,560 --> 01:03:03,840realized like you know that the crowd started thinning at some point correct did you kind of get61101:03:03,840 --> 01:03:10,400no no it didn't start I mean we were one of we were one of the first ones uh Pam Bondy the61201:03:10,400 --> 01:03:16,240Attorney General's time you know we were one of the first uh victim families to be notified at61301:03:16,240 --> 01:03:23,520like one or two in the morning geez yeah so I mean we were there for seven seven hours and no61401:03:23,520 --> 01:03:32,080information so I read as well that the students had gone through a fire drill earlier in that day61501:03:32,080 --> 01:03:39,760did you yeah can you confirm if that's true or not I think it's properly correct yeah yeah some people61601:03:39,760 --> 01:03:46,560thought it was it was it was it real so I think that that contributed to the problem right so they61701:03:46,560 --> 01:03:50,800said that there was a fire drill earlier in the day and then when the fire alarm sounded again that61801:03:50,800 --> 01:03:57,440that afternoon I even saw one red one teacher said nope don't go out of the room I don't I wasn't61901:03:57,440 --> 01:04:02,160expecting this fire drill because you know as a teacher myself that's something that alerts me is62001:04:02,160 --> 01:04:08,160that we know when fire drills are going to be had so if that fire alarm goes off then I tell my62101:04:08,160 --> 01:04:13,760students stand by it was wait wait for an announcement or something because we were not expecting that62201:04:13,760 --> 01:04:19,520yeah well that's that's the right thing to do but unfortunately in uh it's hard to restome62301:04:19,520 --> 01:04:27,520and dug us they didn't have a passive um restraint system with the with the um with the fire alarm62401:04:27,520 --> 01:04:32,480system and typically you're supposed to do what you did and uh what you tell your students is let's62501:04:32,480 --> 01:04:38,880let's wait here 30 seconds and to make sure that administration confirms that there's a fire because62601:04:38,880 --> 01:04:45,440you don't want to be sending kids out in the harm's way um but that's not what margarita when Douglas did62701:04:45,440 --> 01:04:54,320even in light of the fact that we haven't had a kid die in a school fire in 70 years um everybody62801:04:54,320 --> 01:04:59,920and there's 13 buildings on that campus everyone from every building even though they're all concrete62901:05:01,040 --> 01:05:06,560that's what i'm gonna say hours are are sender block and sheetrock it's not gonna burn exactly and63001:05:06,560 --> 01:05:12,240especially all of them all the 13 buildings at the same time it's you know it's it's not certainly not63101:05:12,240 --> 01:05:17,520not making sense that that everybody should be evacuating everybody and so that but that's what63201:05:17,520 --> 01:05:24,320happened everybody evacuated in and um and thank god you know the murderer tried to do along Vegas63301:05:24,320 --> 01:05:31,040the after he was done shooting and killing people on the first and second and the third floor63401:05:31,040 --> 01:05:36,880he went to the third floor teachers lounge and and tried to do a lot of Vegas he set up a bipod and63501:05:36,880 --> 01:05:42,160tried to shoot out the windows that all the evacuating students that were streaming out of the other63601:05:42,160 --> 01:05:47,760buildings you're talking about 3000 kids that went to margarita storm and other tights goal63701:05:47,760 --> 01:05:53,680to thank god he was unsuccessful because that was the newest building on campus and had um63801:05:53,680 --> 01:06:00,320hercalling glass windows so the bullets fragmented as as they went out and it didn't it didn't work63901:06:00,320 --> 01:06:06,080until he got frustrated through his gun down along with you know hundreds of rounds of ammunition64001:06:06,080 --> 01:06:13,040and then fled and then he blended in with all the other students that were evacuating six minutes64101:06:13,040 --> 01:06:20,320after the shooting and he went to McDonald's correct and sat down with the victim with one of his64201:06:20,320 --> 01:06:29,520victims brother if I remember correctly yeah so so there was there there is a a subway in a Walmart64301:06:29,520 --> 01:06:36,800near the near the um the school near the high school so he went to subway first uh where he ordered64401:06:36,800 --> 01:06:46,160an icy to just kill 17 people and entered another 17 and then uh uh you know was went to go get an icy64501:06:47,200 --> 01:06:55,920and then after that he went to McDonald's which is next to subway and he sat down with this kid64601:06:55,920 --> 01:07:02,800that he had no he didn't even know um and the other kid didn't know him but uh his name was64701:07:02,800 --> 01:07:11,280Sean Wilford um Alex was on John Wilford basketball theme I know the Wilford and sat down with him64801:07:11,280 --> 01:07:20,400and asked him for a ride home and uh thank god John did not give him a ride he had like the sixth sense64901:07:20,400 --> 01:07:26,400to say no this is this is not right something wrong with this kid and he never gave him a ride but65001:07:26,400 --> 01:07:33,920John additionally did not know where his his sister was Matty Wilford and and Matty was shot by the65101:07:33,920 --> 01:07:40,000murderer of the same individual that was sitting in a booth uh which John asked him for ride home so65201:07:40,720 --> 01:07:45,680and god John did not give him a ride home and then and then the murderer after not getting a ride65301:07:45,680 --> 01:07:53,680home from John we'll start walking home and and he was arrested uh several miles down the road65401:07:53,680 --> 01:08:02,160right he didn't uh he shouldn't have made it home um yeah did the made it home alive yeah that's65501:08:02,160 --> 01:08:06,160what that's what i'm saying he should have been neutralized uh way before that but yeah yeah65601:08:06,160 --> 01:08:12,480that would have been that would have been uh a lot better than than having to make a sit through65701:08:12,480 --> 01:08:19,840that that horrible trial and fighting with us for for almost five years declaring his innocence65801:08:19,840 --> 01:08:32,000and and then uh you know having to go through that trial yeah and so I um was disgusted by um65901:08:32,000 --> 01:08:37,120well okay I know the constitution okay and I understand that we all have a right to you know a66001:08:37,120 --> 01:08:44,640defense I was disgusted by his defense team just utterly disgusted but I don't even understand66101:08:44,640 --> 01:08:50,240I don't understand why why we need to go through this you know if you're a mass murderer you know66201:08:50,240 --> 01:08:56,960you know uh you know check please you know yeah yeah you know I don't I why why do we need to pay66301:08:56,960 --> 01:09:04,400for these mass murderers to stay on death row forever or or get like in prison there if you kill66401:09:04,400 --> 01:09:10,400more than two people you're a mass murderer you should be put to death and and maybe if we were66501:09:10,400 --> 01:09:17,040harsher uh instead of coddling these mass murderers like like the defense did putting their arm66601:09:17,040 --> 01:09:22,480around him putting their hand on his leg wrapping with him maybe we wouldn't have so many mass66701:09:22,480 --> 01:09:29,680murderers it's just a greed and I don't and excuse my friends but I don't give a damn about his childhood66801:09:29,680 --> 01:09:34,480which we're gonna talk about in a minute that you discuss I don't care if you know things weren't66901:09:34,480 --> 01:09:41,040you know the best for you or if you're you know came from a bad you know situation or whatever that67001:09:41,040 --> 01:09:47,440doesn't give you the right or the excuse to go hurt other people and there's plenty of people who67101:09:47,440 --> 01:09:55,680have come from way worse worse worse and have turned out to be amazing people so it's not an excuse67201:09:55,680 --> 01:10:00,240I'm so over these mitigating factors that are supposed to mean something to me it means nothing to67301:10:00,240 --> 01:10:06,640me nothing to me that you went and prayed on innocent people that did nothing to you did nothing to67401:10:06,640 --> 01:10:15,360you exactly exactly innocent people innocent children uh you know beautiful souls that uh that you're67501:10:15,360 --> 01:10:22,960just you're just evil uh society has tried to rehabilitate you plenty of times uh your your67601:10:22,960 --> 01:10:32,320you have your irredeemable and uh for for people out there to be defending them uh you know67701:10:32,320 --> 01:10:39,840individuals you know like like like Scarlett Lewis that that that called him and called him and67801:10:39,840 --> 01:10:48,320and said I love you it's just gross and disgusting and and nobody should should ever be nice or kind67901:10:48,320 --> 01:10:56,400he doesn't deserve it he didn't give his victims any any kindness um and he should not get any in return68001:10:56,400 --> 01:11:04,960right i just cannot even you know she's being she okay that mom was the mother of a sandy hook victim68101:11:04,960 --> 01:11:11,440which I know in in a lot of people's lights you know would say it gives her a little a little latitude i68201:11:11,440 --> 01:11:17,760guess to be able to have a little more to say or to do but while she may be kindhearted and and that's68301:11:17,760 --> 01:11:23,200nice i guess you know he's taking her for an absolute fool i worked in the prison system i worked68401:11:23,200 --> 01:11:28,320at Angola which is the largest all male maximum security penitentiary in in the United States i've68501:11:28,320 --> 01:11:33,920worked amongst these guys and they they played the game they're nice in your face they say what they68601:11:33,920 --> 01:11:38,320think you want to hear or what's going to get them what they want and they're laughing at you68701:11:38,320 --> 01:11:43,440behind your back they're doing whatever i mean you even brought it up that that she says i love you68801:11:43,440 --> 01:11:48,320on the phone and then he's right and six six six on the on the cell wall with his hemorrhoid blood68901:11:48,320 --> 01:11:54,320he doesn't give a shit about who he hurt he's still he's still writing letters saying that i want69001:11:54,320 --> 01:12:01,440to kill more people and and and and telling other uh other people the next future school mass murder69101:12:01,440 --> 01:12:06,800to go to go kill more people uh this guy should it should have been put to death he should have69201:12:06,800 --> 01:12:14,640gotten the death penalty we have the death penalty in florida and uh any anyone for for who advocates69301:12:14,640 --> 01:12:20,960for anything less than the parkland murderer to receive the ultimate penalty and injustice under69401:12:20,960 --> 01:12:27,760under the law is is just disgusting to me i look you're you're preaching to the choir here i'm with you69501:12:27,760 --> 01:12:32,080so just to just to give my listeners a list real quick and this is courtesy of your information69601:12:32,080 --> 01:12:38,160during your final statement um they did try to make the argument that you know he fell through the cracks69701:12:38,160 --> 01:12:47,120and you were like he is the he is the he is the crack you know so 15 sessions over 13 months of therapy69801:12:47,120 --> 01:12:52,400that he got starting in what elementary school when he was younger direct language therapy multiple69901:12:52,400 --> 01:12:58,560times per week weekly family counseling he got academic and social therapy through the school they70001:12:58,560 --> 01:13:07,120prescribed medications 27 home visits 700 pages of therapy sessions turned in hundreds of hours70101:13:07,120 --> 01:13:12,880of additional therapy that was also documented and admissions counselors said that he was in group70201:13:12,880 --> 01:13:19,760sessions and then given individual sessions his GPA was a 3.14 his freshman year and he had good70301:13:19,760 --> 01:13:26,880attendance only missing two days 47 meetings with parent at his parent advocate his sophomore year70401:13:26,880 --> 01:13:32,800he was getting weekly counseling by school and privately he continued sessions up until the shooting70501:13:32,800 --> 01:13:40,880and he also had 77 disciplinary reports while he was in school yeah i mean when you were talking about70601:13:40,880 --> 01:13:47,600he had you know x number of sessions you know that was over short periods of time you know for like70701:13:47,600 --> 01:13:53,920for like you know 12 months or 15 months he had that those sessions he was in a a cluster or any70801:13:53,920 --> 01:13:59,920as the cluster at a very very young age he was getting constant therapy not just for a couple of years70901:13:59,920 --> 01:14:07,040for out his entire life uh you know they he had multiple psychiatrists multiple psychologists he had71001:14:07,040 --> 01:14:12,000school counselors they were at I mean I'm not talking about just for a couple of years71101:14:12,000 --> 01:14:20,16050 with three years old he was getting therapy up until 18 they were at his house for hundreds71201:14:20,160 --> 01:14:27,680of hours a you know of therapy there was at his house for hours a day giving him therapy71301:14:27,680 --> 01:14:35,680getting his mother therapy to help her um be you know know how to handle her this the murderer71401:14:35,680 --> 01:14:42,160and then or other some we were both monsters um they would destroy her house uh you know71501:14:42,160 --> 01:14:48,800ruin you know punch holes in the wall destroy her furniture and um so how to propensity for violence71601:14:48,800 --> 01:14:55,200too it wasn't like he was just crazy he was a a violent pain oh the defense defense said that he71701:14:55,200 --> 01:15:02,000was mentally at least mentally ill he was just a and he had uh anti social personality disorder he71801:15:02,000 --> 01:15:10,000was a a sociopath and uh you know we he got every service that was available and then some71901:15:10,000 --> 01:15:18,960the sheriff the M.S.D. commission uh sheriff Bob Dalteieri who was in a uh sheriff for a long time72001:15:18,960 --> 01:15:25,520and who was also an attorney said that he's never seen anybody get more services than the parkland72101:15:25,520 --> 01:15:36,240murderer so you know uh we we tried uh society tried to get him off his pathways of violence but72201:15:36,240 --> 01:15:44,800but but what happened was his his IP that he had uh his individual uh exceptional72301:15:44,800 --> 01:15:51,280you know education plan basically gave him a bubble of impregnability and so they prioritized the72401:15:51,280 --> 01:15:58,320rights of the parkland murderer over every other get in the class and the teacher that was a72501:15:58,320 --> 01:16:04,800great of him so that they never erected him you know we're all we're all in favor of getting72601:16:04,800 --> 01:16:13,680to the second chance but not 77 of them and and law enforcement is at his house over 40 times72701:16:13,680 --> 01:16:20,560you know in in some areas of the country and county there's like a a three-peat offender72801:16:20,560 --> 01:16:26,880and over a 30 30 day period time or whatever you know if you're a repeat offender you know it should72901:16:26,880 --> 01:16:32,080be flagged and then they should go out and do something you know it's bullshit that they were at73001:16:32,080 --> 01:16:39,200his house for dozens and dozens of times and never did anything um and and if he had been arrested73101:16:39,200 --> 01:16:46,960and and there were uh arrestable offenses he punched his mother's teeth out uh he he hit her over he73201:16:46,960 --> 01:16:55,600hit her uh with a vacuum cleaner uh hoes and you know in in other areas uh there's domestic violence73301:16:55,600 --> 01:17:02,560laws that no matter if the if the the victim wants to press charges or not the law enforcement has73401:17:02,560 --> 01:17:10,080an obligation to to arrest and and if he has been arrested he would not have been able to buy73501:17:10,080 --> 01:17:16,880that weapon and and I I believe Alex would still be here today there's some individuals out there73601:17:16,880 --> 01:17:23,280that that you know just needed to be introduced at the criminal justice system and and the problem is73701:17:23,280 --> 01:17:30,640that the parkland murder was not and never had any consequences and he learned that so that as he73801:17:30,640 --> 01:17:36,640got older he was violent starting at a very very young age from a little boy when he was three73901:17:36,640 --> 01:17:42,240as he got more violent as he got older he got more violent and there were never any consequences74001:17:42,240 --> 01:17:47,520and then when he and his mother was afraid of them and then when he turned 18 she bought him a gun74101:17:47,520 --> 01:17:55,360yeah I don't I don't get that um I don't get that there I you know you you even said in your74201:17:55,360 --> 01:18:02,800statement um that you almost felt felt for her in a way because she did try to do everything74301:18:02,800 --> 01:18:07,760for him I guess in terms of mental health that she could but why did she buy the gun did they ever74401:18:07,760 --> 01:18:16,400yeah what is that about yeah I don't get that it was it was obviously a fatal error on her part um74501:18:16,400 --> 01:18:23,040you know obviously I wish that she would not have done it but you know after she died it's not like74601:18:23,040 --> 01:18:28,800he wouldn't have gone and done it her and himself anyway right right and I'll tell you this too I don't74701:18:28,800 --> 01:18:32,640represent anybody when I say this I want to be crystal clear this is just me talking as an74801:18:32,640 --> 01:18:37,040individual with no representation of any agency or school system or anything like that74901:18:37,040 --> 01:18:44,080but you know I've had a student in my past years and years ago who heard voices from a young age75001:18:44,080 --> 01:18:50,240documented and and stood up in front of my classroom one time and gave this manifesto about how he75101:18:50,240 --> 01:18:55,440had a dark side and a light side and how he his dark side was starting to take over and that he wanted75201:18:55,440 --> 01:19:00,640to hurt people and it scared the kids in my class so much that I even removed him and said look bro75301:19:00,640 --> 01:19:05,120this ain't the room for that you know if you're having a meltdown we got to attack it a different75401:19:05,120 --> 01:19:10,160way but you're not going to stand up here and scare people he even came back one time and pulled me75501:19:10,160 --> 01:19:14,560out of class and I walked outside to try to get him away from the other students because I'm telling75601:19:14,560 --> 01:19:18,720you within my heart and soul I thought he was going to shoot me and the student so I was trying to75701:19:18,720 --> 01:19:22,880pull him outside of the school the school and we sat outside on a step while he told me how he75801:19:22,880 --> 01:19:30,400wanted to murder his grandmother and I made a police report I even drove to his mother I left75901:19:30,400 --> 01:19:38,960school it was that it was that painfully obvious this needed to be handled now I left school in my own76001:19:38,960 --> 01:19:45,520time drove to his mother and said we need to talk mother to mother right now not teacher to you know76101:19:45,520 --> 01:19:52,080and I laid out everything that he was saying and doing and I was basically told thanks no thanks we'll76201:19:52,080 --> 01:20:01,760handle it and that was a wrap wow our hands as teachers are tied as well because if we ride a kid76301:20:01,760 --> 01:20:07,360up a bunch of times then we're being mean and picking on the kid if we don't ride the kid up they never76401:20:07,360 --> 01:20:12,400get consequences for their actions if they have the IEPs and I'm not I'm not saying that everywhere I76501:20:12,400 --> 01:20:16,880know I know administrators are doing the best they can with what they're able to do I'm not I'm not76601:20:16,880 --> 01:20:22,480saying anything bad about any administrators but I think it's important to note here based on what76701:20:22,480 --> 01:20:32,880you've said too that we need harsher consequences for their actions would you I mean if an individual76801:20:32,880 --> 01:20:40,880obviously you know so we there's a federal law you know that you want you want to put kids in76901:20:40,880 --> 01:20:49,120a least restrictive environment and you know we're all in favor of that but obviously so what77001:20:49,120 --> 01:20:58,640happened was he did well in in in these more more smaller environments in in all these alternative77101:20:58,640 --> 01:21:04,320schools and then when he did better then they said oh okay well let's let's mainstream them well77201:21:04,320 --> 01:21:10,480obviously that shouldn't have happened so right certain kids should be in certain environments and77301:21:10,480 --> 01:21:17,680and and you know if you can't get an individual off the pathway to violence then then we've got to77401:21:17,680 --> 01:21:24,080take a severe consequence you should have never been in JROTC where they're teaching them how to77501:21:24,080 --> 01:21:30,000shoot a rifle I mean that was the last place that he needed to be was around guns with an obsession77601:21:30,000 --> 01:21:37,120with guns and violence and and wanting to you know kill and mutilate and skin animals and was open77701:21:37,120 --> 01:21:47,040about it too and he was open about it too like he didn't try to hide it like it's just beyond you know77801:21:47,040 --> 01:21:52,560Alex should be you know at Yukon graduating and moving moving on with his life and instead this is77901:21:52,560 --> 01:21:57,840where we're at because we we don't want to we don't want to be mean to a kid I just don't that doesn't78001:21:57,840 --> 01:22:02,960that dog does not hunt with me you know something has to be done so I wanted to ask you this too78101:22:02,960 --> 01:22:09,360once you got to court okay you knew the cameras were on you did that affect no I didn't I didn't78201:22:09,360 --> 01:22:16,240initially I didn't know that and you know we learn I learned it over the time but I'm in court I'm not78301:22:16,240 --> 01:22:23,440watching I'm not watching TV at home you know right so and you don't really see you know the camera's78401:22:23,440 --> 01:22:30,240on in your face there's like a camera somewhere you know and you're I'm I'm intently watching you know78501:22:30,240 --> 01:22:38,320the jury's reaction to the testimony and I'm I'm I'm death staring the the murderer of of of of78601:22:38,320 --> 01:22:45,920Alex and and the jury that is that dressed him up as howdy duty and and lowered his chair all the way78701:22:45,920 --> 01:22:52,880to the ground and put him in a sweater like in a sweater vest and put glasses on him and and78801:22:52,880 --> 01:23:01,920just created this you know facade to try to make him out to be the victim and so I was not eventually78901:23:01,920 --> 01:23:09,680you know I learned you know that that they were I mean it's horrible and you know the you know we had79001:23:09,680 --> 01:23:15,040not one medical examiner testified we had seven different medical examiners that that's fine79101:23:15,040 --> 01:23:21,280just because there's so many so many victims right and when when the medical examiner was there79201:23:21,280 --> 01:23:26,640talking about an individual victim like talking about Alex the camera pants to me and in79301:23:26,640 --> 01:23:33,040cherish this ridiculous you know it was it was really an invasion of my privacy I felt like and79401:23:33,040 --> 01:23:39,280that's what I was gonna ask you the the effect there seemed very cold that they would do that to you79501:23:39,280 --> 01:23:45,600of course you're gonna be responding emotionally and and what was even harder was that79601:23:46,560 --> 01:23:51,840you know the defense you know threatened that they were gonna call a mistrial and and that's what79701:23:51,840 --> 01:23:57,600they did like you know they told us initially you know try not to show emotion I'm like what are79801:23:57,600 --> 01:24:04,640you talking about they just told me my kid was murdered and and shot a multiple times and on a lot79901:24:04,640 --> 01:24:11,360of the the testimony a lot of families it was the first time they were hearing such excruciatingly80001:24:11,360 --> 01:24:18,560horrible details and so for they told us we couldn't we couldn't wear an Alex shirt I couldn't80101:24:18,560 --> 01:24:23,920wear a safe school for Alex shirt I couldn't wear an out a physical Alex pin I couldn't wear anything80201:24:23,920 --> 01:24:30,800like that not only are a tire but we couldn't I couldn't it's always going to make a peak you know80301:24:30,800 --> 01:24:38,240and and one time I made a gas and I was crying and I was just inconsolable hearing this news and80401:24:38,240 --> 01:24:43,920and then it's been tried to get a mistrial because of that you know shift you're creating the it's80501:24:43,920 --> 01:24:49,920like it's like it's like in favor of the the murderer you know that that you can't have a motion80601:24:49,920 --> 01:24:54,960that's unconscionable I get you know looking at it from an objective point of view I get what80701:24:54,960 --> 01:24:59,280what they're saying we don't want you to do anything that might you know affect the jury I guess if80801:24:59,280 --> 01:25:04,720you will like the autopsy photos like your shirt somehow is gonna overthrow autopsy photos of80901:25:04,720 --> 01:25:10,960murdered children yeah I mean that's just absurd but yeah I listened when they were going through81001:25:10,960 --> 01:25:16,800and and I'll be brief on this I will I promise when they were going through the autopsy and what81101:25:16,800 --> 01:25:26,240had happened to Alex and the killer didn't even really respond much he didn't have anything he81201:25:26,240 --> 01:25:32,160just was doodling kind of on his paper and like it was another day and that you know like they they81301:25:32,160 --> 01:25:39,360made it out like he was remorseful he was in remorseful he wants to kill again you know he enjoyed it81401:25:39,360 --> 01:25:48,160he said that he loves to see the family suffer he wanted to torture and kill as many people as81501:25:48,160 --> 01:25:54,480possible and he said that it go with the killed 20 people the only reason he stopped was because he81601:25:54,480 --> 01:26:03,440didn't think that there was anybody else to kill sick but let me let me tell you this that judge in the81701:26:03,440 --> 01:26:12,160trial what were your thoughts on her no she was great she was great I mean we were frustrated that it81801:26:12,160 --> 01:26:20,480took you know so long but but you know four and a half years but when we finally got going81901:26:22,160 --> 01:26:27,120she was great she didn't she didn't put up with with bullshit from the defense and all their82001:26:27,120 --> 01:26:35,520you know they're nothing motion and you know after the trial she delivered this beautiful speech82101:26:35,520 --> 01:26:41,440you know telling you know talking about about the victims families and it was very very kind of her82201:26:41,440 --> 01:26:47,360I thought she personally was a beast I loved it I thought and I played this in my classroom like82301:26:47,360 --> 01:26:53,440you were in my classroom your son was in my classroom they learned about him they saw his picture82401:26:53,440 --> 01:26:59,760you know what I mean and I told that the students I said they were like man she's tough I said yeah82501:26:59,760 --> 01:27:05,280that's what we need we don't need cut we don't you know at this point we don't need kindness at this82601:27:05,280 --> 01:27:10,160point they need to get we need we need to understand and remember who the victims are here82701:27:10,160 --> 01:27:19,440the victims are not are not the the the the parkland murder is not the victims right the victims families82801:27:19,440 --> 01:27:27,600are the 17 or the victims and and so you know even though the defense tried to paint him out as a82901:27:27,600 --> 01:27:34,160victim you know I think that that she was able to keep you know keep focus on who the victims were83001:27:34,160 --> 01:27:42,080and it's hard you know because the the defense can get up there and and twist the truth and83101:27:42,080 --> 01:27:47,520and and in the closing statement you know you can the the the prosecution can deliver all the fact83201:27:47,520 --> 01:27:54,880of the case and then for the defense in the in her closing statement to say that basically you83301:27:54,880 --> 01:28:01,520can ignore all the facts and just vote your conscience you know and and if you and if you vote83401:28:01,520 --> 01:28:07,440forget your conscience will never you'll never forgive yourself and to ignore all the facts like why83501:28:07,440 --> 01:28:11,600what are we here in the first place for that right why don't you have the trial well you know and83601:28:11,600 --> 01:28:18,560something that stood out to me too are you familiar with the jody areas case yes I do remember that83701:28:18,560 --> 01:28:24,880a mile ago right yeah and she had murdered her ex-boyfriend but in that in that in that case83801:28:24,880 --> 01:28:30,160the reason she did not get the death penalty was because there was one holdout in the jury83901:28:31,040 --> 01:28:38,320and is that not what happened in your y'all's case there was there was one heart no and then84001:28:38,320 --> 01:28:43,360and then I think she convinced two others to vote for life as well but you know we're gonna we're84101:28:43,360 --> 01:28:52,880gonna fix that yes in Florida and and fix it from majority from from unanimous to to majority84201:28:52,880 --> 01:28:58,800in that's what it should be yeah there's a bill in the photo legislature to fix that that injustice84301:28:58,800 --> 01:29:05,360also and when is that going up do you know it's already it's already been presented I think it was a84401:29:05,360 --> 01:29:11,840couple of weeks ago in committee so I I'm pretty confident that will pal I hope it does because you84501:29:11,840 --> 01:29:16,960know before I don't think I quite understood the implications just whenever you're just reading about84601:29:16,960 --> 01:29:20,960that happened because in Louisiana I think we just switched it to where it's got to be unanimous84701:29:20,960 --> 01:29:25,520and I was like well I guess I get that because you're putting somebody to death but then after84801:29:25,520 --> 01:29:30,320watching y'all's trial I'm like wait a minute wait a minute we're forgetting about who matters84901:29:30,320 --> 01:29:36,480here and that's the victims not this is this is not a case this is not a case of like you know85001:29:36,480 --> 01:29:44,640misidentifying the culprit of a crime or you know racial injustice or you know someone that was85101:29:44,640 --> 01:29:51,680economically disadvantaged and they got convicted this is nothing to do with that you know this guy85201:29:51,680 --> 01:29:58,800admitted it he's the one who did it he had he said he killed 70 people we know he did it you have85301:29:58,800 --> 01:30:04,720him on video tape it's not a question he's guilty we shouldn't even have to go through this yeah85401:30:04,720 --> 01:30:10,480and all it did was re-victimize y'all in my opinion you know that you had it and now and now we got85501:30:10,480 --> 01:30:19,040it we got the trial of the the coward from Broward the school resource officer that that went to85601:30:19,040 --> 01:30:24,640the front of the building and heard those gunshots and then went he got scared and went and hid behind85701:30:24,640 --> 01:30:33,200the concrete pillar for the next 40 minutes and and his trial is coming up in in May which is going85801:30:33,200 --> 01:30:38,800to be horrible as well well and I took I have watched that video multiple times like multiple and I85901:30:38,800 --> 01:30:44,160was dumb found it matter of fact Jim make a note we're gonna post that for our our listener so they86001:30:44,160 --> 01:30:49,040can go watch it and really see what happened and that you're right he posted up right there he didn't86101:30:49,040 --> 01:30:53,520even enter the building and in the radio traffic you know when he's going over the radio he's like86201:30:53,520 --> 01:30:59,920do not enter this building yeah that that blew me away say 500 yards away say 500 yards it would know86301:30:59,920 --> 01:31:06,320get your ass in that building and start putting some rounds down range and stop this guy slow him86401:31:06,320 --> 01:31:13,360down change the target you know just unbelievable that that that really because I know the SRO where I86501:31:13,360 --> 01:31:20,560work he's not playing that game he's coming in he's coming in and you know well I think you know86601:31:20,560 --> 01:31:27,600I think a long time ago you know prior prior to you know Parkland there was and you know it shouldn't86701:31:27,600 --> 01:31:35,280it shouldn't even have taken Parkland there was you know the SRO was the guy that was you know just86801:31:35,280 --> 01:31:42,640a couple of years from retire and and and that was the Parkland SRO he was basically just retired86901:31:42,640 --> 01:31:52,800on duty and and and now it's changed in Florida I hope it's changed around the country that you know this87001:31:52,800 --> 01:31:59,280is this is not something that's you gotta be carefully selected it got to be very good with87101:31:59,280 --> 01:32:06,960children they have to have taken deescalation training and and they have to be trained properly87201:32:07,680 --> 01:32:14,880but you know we can't have that kind of mentality you have to have a very serious individual87301:32:14,880 --> 01:32:20,480with with tactical training that knows what to do to keep the kids safe absolutely and so87401:32:20,480 --> 01:32:26,880you know I wanted to say something about another statement that you have made and then I want to87501:32:26,880 --> 01:32:30,480move on to your to the safe schools for Alex because you have so much great stuff in there but87601:32:30,480 --> 01:32:36,320when you said one hard question for you is that when people say you know how many kids do you have87701:32:36,320 --> 01:32:45,680and I I personally have a testament I guess to that because my husband's brother was killed his father87801:32:45,680 --> 01:32:50,240died when he was young and she would always say that was a hard question when people would say you87901:32:50,240 --> 01:32:54,720know how many kids do you have and she didn't know how to answer it because you know her her88001:32:54,720 --> 01:33:05,120youngest son is is 40 and her oldest son is 23 and it was really hard to answer so what do you do88101:33:05,120 --> 01:33:12,320I have I have I have four kids and and one and one is not here because he was murdered in the88201:33:12,320 --> 01:33:19,120Barcline school shooting so Alex will always be my little boy and and I love him more more than88301:33:19,120 --> 01:33:25,920like it's now and we're gonna honor him too we're gonna put his pictures up on our site and I've88401:33:25,920 --> 01:33:29,840got some wonderful ones of him playing in the band you know my oldest daughter is in the band88501:33:29,840 --> 01:33:34,160and there's a picture of him in the band room and you could kind of see the lockers behind him88601:33:34,720 --> 01:33:42,240and I have almost the exact same shot of my daughter holding her instrument it's bizarre like it's88701:33:42,240 --> 01:33:48,080bizarre and so they're the same age too and so just he's just touched my heart and you have as well88801:33:48,080 --> 01:33:55,520and just you're you're so wonderful as a father you're everything that Alex could ever hope for88901:33:55,520 --> 01:33:59,520on earth while he waits for you in heaven because you're doing him such a service89001:34:00,480 --> 01:34:06,320you're you're doing wonderful so let's let's talk about um his point can I read that for you real quick89101:34:06,320 --> 01:34:12,160is or for the listeners real quick so y'all y'all had found crumpled up in a trash can um that he had89201:34:12,160 --> 01:34:18,320written a poem and it was for his English class and it's so and he was murdered and he was murdered89301:34:18,320 --> 01:34:23,440in English class and he was murdered in that English class which there's some kind of beautiful89401:34:23,440 --> 01:34:28,880tragedy to that but it was called life is like a roller coaster life is like a roller coaster it has89501:34:28,880 --> 01:34:34,720some ups and downs sometimes you can take it slower very fast it may be hard to breathe at times89601:34:34,720 --> 01:34:40,480but you have to push yourself and keep going your bar is your safety it's like your family and friends89701:34:40,480 --> 01:34:45,600you hold on tight and you don't let go but sometimes you might throw your hands up because your friends89801:34:45,600 --> 01:34:51,200and family will always be with you just like that bar keeping you safe at all times it may be too89901:34:51,200 --> 01:34:57,200much for you at times the twists the turns the ups the downs but you get back up you keep chugging90001:34:57,200 --> 01:35:03,040along eventually it comes to a stop you won't know when or how but you will know that'll be time to90101:35:03,040 --> 01:35:12,720get off and start a new life is like a roller coaster what a old soul what a what a you know90201:35:12,720 --> 01:35:21,040what an amazing thing to leave you know for you yeah i we had no idea no it would completely blown90301:35:21,040 --> 01:35:30,480away when we found that he never talked to me about about the poem I just found it and um you know he90401:35:30,480 --> 01:35:36,960loved roller coasters obviously he didn't know what was gonna happen to his life but it's a great90501:35:36,960 --> 01:35:44,080the beautiful poem that that is that is as legacy yes and i'm also i saw the video where someone was90601:35:44,080 --> 01:35:50,320singing it as a song yeah yeah and i'm gonna put that link as well so my listeners can go90701:35:50,320 --> 01:35:56,800listen to that it's just wonderful but yeah it's beautiful the one day what they did so let's talk90801:35:56,800 --> 01:36:04,560about safe schools for Alex um what are your ultimate what are your ultimate goals with with your90901:36:04,560 --> 01:36:13,040your mission here uh the the charity that that my wife and i started is to keep Alex's memory alive91001:36:13,040 --> 01:36:20,240and to do everything we can to combat the the complacency that is around the country91101:36:20,240 --> 01:36:29,440in people's minds that it's not gonna happen here so we we deliver you know best practices lessons91201:36:29,440 --> 01:36:38,720learned to law enforcement to you know education uh you know school teachers and parents and so91301:36:38,720 --> 01:36:45,840we created after the shooting one of my main our main initiatives is our school safety dashboard91401:36:45,840 --> 01:36:53,440and so after the shooting i am on the mfd commission which is the parkland shooting commission we were91501:36:53,440 --> 01:36:59,040asked with investigating the tragedy and coming up with recommendations to make school safer91601:36:59,040 --> 01:37:05,840throughout florida and i think that in florida schools are 180 degrees safer than where they were91701:37:05,840 --> 01:37:12,800prior to the tragedy we're doing things here that no other state is doing and investing over 20091801:37:12,800 --> 01:37:19,360million dollars over the last five years in in school safety efforts and you know some states that91901:37:19,360 --> 01:37:25,520you know did things in response to parkland and and then basically never did anything after that we92001:37:25,520 --> 01:37:33,520we are not in that category we are continuing to push ahead and have our foot on the pedal um and92101:37:33,520 --> 01:37:39,920we've got another school safety bill here to make uh school safer because you're never it's never done92201:37:39,920 --> 01:37:46,480you're never complete it's never over you've got to constantly be evolving and and adapting92301:37:46,480 --> 01:37:55,680and and making school safer so during the mfd commission meeting i found out that every school92401:37:55,680 --> 01:38:03,840in florida is required to report incidents of uh violence and drugs to the state department of92501:38:03,840 --> 01:38:11,760education uh there's 26 different incident categories things like bullying uh violence fighting92601:38:11,760 --> 01:38:18,400assault weapons the number of weapons incidents that that when a kid brings a weapon to school that92701:38:18,400 --> 01:38:23,360cool safety incident is required to be reported to the state and so when i found out that the92801:38:23,360 --> 01:38:29,280statics that i have you know three other kids in school and i want to make sure that nothing happened92901:38:29,280 --> 01:38:34,240to them so when i went to go look at this data it was just a massive excel spreadsheet it was like93001:38:34,240 --> 01:38:40,080millions of cells of data i'm like what am i gonna do with this and so uh there's no way to understand it93101:38:40,080 --> 01:38:47,520and so we basically took that publicly available data and then incorporated it into a user friendly93201:38:47,520 --> 01:38:53,600dashboard so for the first time parents are now able to go online and see exactly what's happening93301:38:53,600 --> 01:39:01,440inside your school after you drop your son or daughter off i had no idea and Alex was going to school93401:39:01,440 --> 01:39:07,840with a very violent violent individual and that dashboard is on the website yeah it's on state93501:39:07,840 --> 01:39:15,840schools for Alex dot org and it's it's free and so we we've created the dashboard we've imported93601:39:15,840 --> 01:39:23,040the school safety data from five states and our goal is to do that around the country every parent93701:39:23,040 --> 01:39:28,720should know what's happening in their child classroom after they drop their kid off at school93801:39:28,720 --> 01:39:36,240and every parent should use this information to advocate uh to make their child school safer but93901:39:36,240 --> 01:39:41,440they need information first you know i never got a call from the principal of margarita94001:39:41,440 --> 01:39:47,680man Douglas saying hey great new parents we reduced our bullying numbers by by 10% this year or94101:39:47,680 --> 01:39:54,800the the numbers of violent incidents and fighting in assault on drop by by 15% i never got that call94201:39:54,800 --> 01:40:00,480because that called doesn't exist nobody's ever no parents ever gotten that call but parents should94301:40:00,480 --> 01:40:03,920you should be able to go online and see exactly what's happening inside of school every parent has94401:40:03,920 --> 01:40:11,760a right to know and the website really takes the blindfold off of off of parents so they can see94501:40:11,760 --> 01:40:17,360what's happening in their kid school and they can become involved and and advocate for safer school94601:40:17,600 --> 01:40:22,560and hey from a from a teachers standpoint i would love for people to know what we deal with94701:40:22,560 --> 01:40:27,440that would be wonderful maybe you appreciate us more for what we're dealing with but94801:40:27,440 --> 01:40:33,520yeah right something too that i'm really was uh inspired by and i'm gonna hope that i can get more94901:40:33,520 --> 01:40:38,880information from you on this um is the safe schools for Alex student chapter where y'all are95001:40:38,880 --> 01:40:47,280wanting to you know encourage i guess club a club to be made um yeah you know to to make us say a95101:40:47,280 --> 01:40:52,320school save it can't just be from the top down you know the principal can't just do it by himself95201:40:52,320 --> 01:40:59,280obviously leadership is important and and at margarita man Douglas you had no leadership95301:40:59,280 --> 01:41:07,600the former principal ty Thompson uh was was a horrible leader when we interviewed him and uh he said95401:41:07,600 --> 01:41:12,400that yeah he he he didn't really know if there were any threats to shoot up the school he said that95501:41:12,400 --> 01:41:18,320wasn't really his job um when we asked him how many threats there were he really didn't know he95601:41:18,320 --> 01:41:25,760was disinterested and uninvolved with the reticent process so obviously having leadership at your95701:41:25,760 --> 01:41:33,200school is important but the other piece to to that equation that you reference is involving the kids95801:41:33,200 --> 01:41:40,800and the student uh they know where the vulnerabilities are on campus they do you know they know the kids95901:41:40,800 --> 01:41:47,920that are thinking about hurting themselves are maybe hurting someone else and so i told my students96001:41:47,920 --> 01:41:51,440too we had a we were just talking in class one day about school safety and school shooters because96101:41:51,440 --> 01:41:56,640i do not want to dispatch as well and i said don't say any names i said but by a rate just raise your96201:41:56,640 --> 01:42:01,760hands how many of you right now if i said there was a school shooter here how many of you think you96301:42:01,760 --> 01:42:08,160could tell me who it would be and do you know about 75% of the hands went up wow and i said96401:42:08,160 --> 01:42:17,360look around you and understand that your safety is in your hands if you will not speak up about it96501:42:17,360 --> 01:42:22,880that will not stop it i said and i don't care if they're your friend i don't care if that's your cousin's96601:42:22,880 --> 01:42:28,560brother excuse me your cousin's best friend or your brothers baseball team member i said they don't96701:42:28,560 --> 01:42:34,000care where the bullets end up once they start shooting that does not give you some kind of96801:42:34,000 --> 01:42:40,320free pass they're gonna get the mass amount of kills in the most short amount of time speak96901:42:40,320 --> 01:42:48,960do you have do you have a um an anonymous tip reporting to the junior school we do we have an app97001:42:48,960 --> 01:42:54,080but i think that when i ask the students i pull them and again i don't represent anyone or anything97101:42:54,080 --> 01:42:59,120right now i'm just talking in generalities i don't represent a school or anything like that um but97201:42:59,120 --> 01:43:03,280when i pulled my students and was kind of like well why won't y'all speak up on the app97301:43:03,280 --> 01:43:08,640they are so afraid of their name even though it's anonymous they are so afraid of it somehow97401:43:08,640 --> 01:43:12,720coming back to them and then being labeled a snitch and then being pushed as an outsider97501:43:12,720 --> 01:43:19,600that they they just don't do it and i said well you need to look you need to open your eyes97601:43:19,600 --> 01:43:25,440and you need to go do some research then and see if someone would have said something well in your case97701:43:25,440 --> 01:43:32,000everyone said something but yeah um you know if students voiced that they were afraid97801:43:32,000 --> 01:43:37,360that might get someone's attention other than an adult saying hmm there's something wrong here97901:43:37,360 --> 01:43:44,240i think with this child if you were physically afraid that wouldn't motivate you98001:43:45,520 --> 01:43:51,920to do something to say something yeah yeah and so that's and so that's why it's important to have a98101:43:51,920 --> 01:43:58,480school safety club and so that's why we started our our state schools for Alex club and um you know98201:43:58,480 --> 01:44:07,040we've got we've got uh and it's important so and in this club you know the one of the first things that98301:44:07,040 --> 01:44:14,400you know the kids would do is they would do a a survey of the kids uh anonymously to see98401:44:15,200 --> 01:44:21,280do the kids on the campus feel safe are their vulnerabilities what would they like to as the98501:44:21,280 --> 01:44:28,960improved in the safety uh of that school and so that's real important and and and and based on98601:44:28,960 --> 01:44:36,720the results of that that survey it really puts them in it gives direction and action and um and98701:44:36,720 --> 01:44:41,280so and it's those two pieces you know is that the students working with administration to make98801:44:41,280 --> 01:44:48,400school safer is the key to having a good a positive culture and climate on campus because if it's98901:44:48,400 --> 01:44:56,240and if it's not um then you've got kids and and teachers uh with the attitude that oh well if I99001:44:56,240 --> 01:45:01,600even say anything that nothing's gonna happen anyway and you got that negative culture and climate99101:45:01,600 --> 01:45:06,160and that's when you have um our to restome and Douglas where you just sweep and everything99201:45:06,160 --> 01:45:12,000under the rug and and not prioritizing safety and security well i'll tell you this i'm making it a99301:45:12,000 --> 01:45:19,200personal um you know a personal goal of mine that i that i'm gonna do more with you um in my local99401:45:19,200 --> 01:45:24,080community and i know we um maybe talked about that i'm not gonna release me that right now but99501:45:24,080 --> 01:45:30,320i have full intentions of taking all that you have learned and mastered and sharing the knowledge the99601:45:30,320 --> 01:45:36,320knowledge is the the wealth it's the power of getting the information out there and um i wanted to99701:45:36,320 --> 01:45:40,960kind of close with this i know that you have the aliexshactor scholarship fund i saw that online99801:45:40,960 --> 01:45:47,120with the trombone on it um yeah can you what is can you do a little bit tell me a little bit about that um99901:45:47,120 --> 01:45:54,400yeah yeah so so during covid um my wife came up with this idea because our daughter is in the100001:45:54,400 --> 01:45:59,760band you know she wanted to follow when her brother's footsteps and uh you know is this the daughter that100101:45:59,760 --> 01:46:05,040scratched his back just to hang out with him yeah yeah i told you i listened to every word100201:46:05,040 --> 01:46:13,280yeah she was cute she always liked to do Alex's hair uh she was Alex his little sister and she100301:46:13,280 --> 01:46:20,160loved Alex and so you know during covid you know the band you know being in the band is so wonderful100401:46:20,160 --> 01:46:26,320for kids and for Alex that he really made his best friends you taught him you know what a work what a100501:46:26,320 --> 01:46:34,480good work ethic is and and um he got you got you got good grades it built up his self-esteem in the band100601:46:34,480 --> 01:46:41,200and so i think music in being in the band is really important for uh to build to build children's100701:46:41,200 --> 01:46:47,840character and so what we found out was that you know during covid all these kids weren't having band100801:46:47,840 --> 01:46:51,600and and we were afraid that they were going to put their instrument down they were pick it off again100901:46:51,600 --> 01:46:59,760and so she came up with the idea to uh offer free private online music lessons and so that's where101001:46:59,760 --> 01:47:07,280the uh let the music play on initiative came and so and so we we we love that and uh you know101101:47:07,280 --> 01:47:14,400the more and so we started it in entitled one schools in in schools where there are very economically101201:47:14,400 --> 01:47:20,240disadvantaged kids where the kids are on you know most of them are on free and reduced lunch and so101301:47:20,240 --> 01:47:26,800those kids need all the help they can get and so um it's been been wonderful watching watching those kids101401:47:26,800 --> 01:47:32,960you know become better musician well i'm a proud band mom so i'm right there with you so i think that101501:47:32,960 --> 01:47:38,480that's wonderful and you're doing a great thing so um i wanted to tell you thank you so much for sharing101601:47:39,120 --> 01:47:46,640um your most intimate and and painful moments with me and my listeners and for teaching us a little101701:47:46,640 --> 01:47:52,960bit along the way of some things some changes that need to be made well thank you for having me101801:47:52,960 --> 01:47:57,840it's been been wonderful getting to know you and and i look forward to doing more things with you101901:47:57,840 --> 01:48:03,680Kelly awesome well look thank you again and i just want to let all my listeners know that you know102001:48:04,240 --> 01:48:09,840mr. shakter here's a force to be reckoned with and i think that he is everything like i said before102101:48:09,840 --> 01:48:15,520that that little Alex needed had and continues to have in this world and if there's anything i know102201:48:15,520 --> 01:48:25,760an utterly fearless man is forever more dangerous than a coward with a gun102301:48:25,760 --> 01:48:28,340(upbeat music)102401:48:28,340 --> 01:48:30,920(upbeat music)102501:48:30,920 --> 01:48:33,660(dramatic music)