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Sept. 15, 2026

The Prosecutor: Interview with Brad Casio

The Prosecutor: Interview with Brad Casio
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Season 12

In this episode of Unspeakable, KJ sits down with Assistant District Attorney Brad Casio as he recounts the prosecution of Charles Smith.

Charles A. Smith, 28, of Denham Springs, was already wanted for SA in neighboring Tangipahoa Parish when he took the woman and her toddler at gunpoint from the parking lot. He forced them into a stolen white Chrysler PT Cruiser and drove them north across parish lines—through Livingston, into St. Helena, and on toward Tangipahoa. Along that stretch of Highway 16, the kidnapping became something far worse.

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering, how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement, corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil,

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many feel they are unspeakable.

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Warning.

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Unspeakable is intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,

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KJ here back with another episode of Unspeakable. And I

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told you last week that I was super excited. I

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was going to have somebody in house today that I

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just think the world of, and I'm super, super proud

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to know that you would take the time out to

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come and talk to me today and to all of

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my listeners. But if you, I got a lot of

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feedback last week on the episode that I did about

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Amy and Layla and the kidnapping and rape and then

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ultimate conviction in that case and that The prosecutor who

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went in hard on that case was Brad Cascio. Well,

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I am just beyond excited to let you know that

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I have Mr. Cascio in a studio with me today.

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If you want to tell everybody hello.

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Hey, guys, I'm happy to be here. Thank you so

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much for having me.

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Absolutely. Absolutely. And thank you for I know you're busy

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and I know that you're you're working hard. So to

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take the time out to come and just talk to

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little old me means a lot. And I won't I

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won't forget that. But I want to start by saying that,

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first of all, on behalf of my listeners, I want

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to tell you thank you. Because I think that the

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job of a prosecutor in a case is this, you know,

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we don't know these victims personally.

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I don't.

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My listeners don't. But we're very invested in them. And

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we want the best. And we wanted them to get

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the win. And you got that. And On behalf of

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me and everyone that listens, I do want to tell

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you thank you so much because they messaged me and said, oh,

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my God, it's amazing. I did not think that was

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going to end this way. What a great story. And

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we need a win sometimes.

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Yeah, you know, it's nice to be in a position

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to be able to help people like this. You know,

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I feel very blessed that I have the opportunity to

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do these good things for people. And when you're working

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with these victims, you know, you don't know them when

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you first meet them. But by the time you go

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to trial, you're like best friends with them. You know,

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you feel connected and you start to get invested in

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it personally.

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And to have somebody share their most or some of

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their most intimate situations that obviously they wouldn't want to.

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You're a stranger to them just as much as the,

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you know, a rapist would have been at the in

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the beginning. But to have the ability for them to

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open up to you and to share these things with

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you so you can really understand what they went through.

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What is that like?

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So that's definitely a slow process. You know, when I

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first meet with victims, especially children or victims of sexual assault,

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you got to kind of slow play it because you

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don't want to go in day one. Here's this man

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I've never met. Hey, tell me all these horrible things

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that happened to you. I just introduce myself. I explain

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more of the process. And I ask them if they

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have any questions for me. And I just kind of

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tell them how it's going to work for the next

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several months going forward. As we get closer to the

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trial date, we start going into more of the details,

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just a little at a time, never all at once

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at one meeting.

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Because you don't want to overwhelm them, I'm guessing.

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Right. And then especially with children, I'll take them into

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the courtroom and show them where everybody sits and have

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them go sit up in the chair. you know, in

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the witness stand and, you know, just make them comfortable

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with the room. So it's not their first time walking

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in the day of trial.

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Yeah, that's cool. This isn't about me, but I'll just

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say I was a child once. And I remember during

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my parents' divorce, which is nowhere near as serious as this, though,

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that all these adults were talking to me like, you

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might have to talk to the judge. You might have

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to do this. And I mean, I remember just being

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so panicked, like, well, what does that mean? What's going

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to happen to me? So I'm sure it's a very

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delicate process, especially in something like this, like you said,

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to just slowly just let them see it and make

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it not be something jarring and new and take it

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at their own speed.

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Yeah, because for a child, if we go back to

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when we pick a jury, picking a jury is really

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an art form. And when you're doing these cases involving

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sexual assault cases, I always pick one member of the

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jury when I'm talking to them and ask them questions

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about their life and how they feel about certain issues. Mm-hmm.

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I'll say, all right, Ms. Jennings, tell me about your

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last sexual encounter. And they look at me like, I

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don't want to tell you about that. And I go, look,

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I really don't want to know. But imagine how that

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made you feel. Think about the way you felt when

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I asked you that. Now imagine if you were nine

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years old or imagine that your last sexual experience was

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a rape and you were in a room full of strangers,

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full of adults you've never seen. And you had to

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talk about that.

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Yeah. And to realize that, Even if you're a kid

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and you don't understand the full-length implications of it, you

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know that the sex act was improper. It was incorrect.

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As a child, you would know that. You would pick

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up on that. And then to have all these adults

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staring at you and everyone's hanging on your every word,

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I'm sure that would be just completely overwhelming. And yeah,

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what a great example, I would say.

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It is, yeah. I'll often let the victim, especially children,

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if they have a favorite stuffed animal, I'll let them

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bring it into court with them and hold it in

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the witness stand. The Children's Advocacy Center also has a

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therapy dog. And we've brought the dog into court before

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during trials, and the dog sits up there with the kid,

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and the kid just kind of pets the dog while

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she's telling her story.

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Yeah, that's awesome. And I'm glad that we pay attention

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like that to our victims, because it wasn't always like that.

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I'm sure we've learned a lot over the history of

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the courtroom and how we interact with our victims. So

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let me start here. Briefly, if you could just tell me,

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how did you become a prosecutor? Because when I first

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heard this, I was tickled by it, because you said

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that was not the plan.

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No, never. In my wildest dreams did I ever think

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I'd be doing this. I don't come from a family

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of lawyers or a family involved in politics. My mother

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was a school teacher. My father worked for a car dealership,

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and then he became a mailman. At the age of 19,

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I was in trade school to be a mechanic. That's

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the kind of work I wanted to do. And then

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for whatever reason, I ended up back at Southeastern, changed

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majors a couple times, decided to become a criminal justice major.

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I said, man, I want to be a federal agent.

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I want to travel and do that whole scene. And

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I met my wife at Southeastern.

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What was she studying? Do you know?

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So when I met her, she was studying speech pathology.

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Okay.

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But being raised by a teacher, I told her, I said,

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you know, this is before we were even dating. I said,

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you really seem like a teacher to me. You've got

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that quality. And she actually changed her major to education

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and is a phenomenal elementary school teacher now.

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You go, girl. Yeah. Then you decided you were going

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to swap. Well, didn't you say once, you didn't say

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this on the podcast, radio with me. But didn't you

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once say that you were going to just pick whatever

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your friend had picked?

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Yeah, I asked him. I was like, man, what are

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you majoring in? And I think accounting or finance. I

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was like, yeah, I'll try that. I did it for

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a semester. I said, no, this is not for me.

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But I realized traveling wasn't going to work out. But

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I was so far along in school, I didn't want

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to change my major again. So I got a little

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job in outside sales, and I just didn't like it.

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It wasn't fulfilling. It was boring. And my wife is

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the one that told me, you should really go to

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law school. I said, you are out of your mind.

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That's for rich people's kids. Like my family, we don't

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do that kind of thing. You know, how am I

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going to do that? And she kept pushing and pushing.

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And so I took the LSAT just kind of on

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a whim. And I remember I was at a red

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light at the corner of Highway 51 and Highway 190

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in Hammond. And I got my LSAT score emailed to me.

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And I checked it on my phone and I saw

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it and I had to read it twice.

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Excuse me? I did what? This guy?

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And so I called my boss and I was like, look, man,

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I love you. I'm giving you my four weeks notice.

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I'm going to law school. He had no idea. He

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was like, are you kidding me? I was like, no,

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I'm not. I'm dead serious. And so I went back

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to construction while I was applying to law school and

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I went to LSU for law school. I interned a

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couple of different places trying to figure out what I

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liked and I just showed up to A-Meet one day.

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I didn't know who Scott Perilou was.

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And for our listeners that are not local.

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Oh, yeah. So Scott Perilou is the current district attorney.

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Gotcha.

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This year is his 30th year in office.

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Yeah, he's been around a while.

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A long time. So this is 13 years ago, right? No,

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longer than that. It's probably 15 years ago because I

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was still in school. And I said, I want a

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part-time job while I'm in school. And he said, well,

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we don't have it in the budget. We can't pay you.

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I said, that's okay. Don't pay me. I just want

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to see if I would enjoy what y'all do here.

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And so I worked for free for quite a while,

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but I just fell in love with the work. And

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I said, okay, I found something that I love. I

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found something that I know I'm going to be good at,

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and I'm going to enjoy every minute of it. And

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I've been there ever since.

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And you did well in law school, obviously. I'm guessing

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you knocked it out of the park.

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I did well in law school. Graduated in May of

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2013 from LSU Law School. Took the bar that summer.

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And then he hired me. The bar exam, so you

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take it in July. But you don't get the results

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till October. So that's like every day you're just thinking

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about it. You're laying in bed awake like, oh, my God,

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I hope I passed. And we got it back in October.

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At the end of October, I passed. And November 1st,

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I was a felony assistant DA.

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That is so awesome. I'm so excited for you because

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I have a dream. I'm too old probably, but I

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have a dream that I'll go to law school one day.

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And I just want to go slamming these people in

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the courtroom that do these things to these innocent victims.

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And I want them to pay. And, and whatever that means,

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you know, people like you're mean. No, I'm not.

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No.

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I want justice for these people in whatever that means.

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Yeah. Look, there's a difference, you know, you got to

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know how to use that prosecutorial discretion. Right. Right. There's

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some cases you don't go all in and you don't

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go for the jugular. Right. You know, but, but on

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these particular type that we're talking about today, absolutely.

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Let's jump in on that. So last week I dropped

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an episode on Charles Smith and that is the case

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that you prosecuted and I got so angry telling this story.

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I think people could tell. I was just getting so

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mad for just a woman I've never met. Because how

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dare you do that to somebody? How dare you think

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that you can do that? So I wanted to start

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by asking you this. How often do you find yourself today,

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current times, prosecuting sex crimes?

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More often than I'd like. I would say... You know,

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I'm one of six assistant DAs. There's six felony divisions

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in every parish.

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Okay.

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And we each keep somewhere between 250 and 350 open

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felony files at a time.

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Okay.

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The vast majority, probably 75%, is drugs or drug-related. You know,

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that's our number one crime around here. That's our biggest problem.

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But second to that is domestic abuse and sexual assault. Okay.

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It's almost mind-blowing, but I like it coming from the

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horse's mouth here that it's not being blown out of

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proportion when we say that these crimes are everywhere and

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they're happening all the time just because they're not in

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your face or you're not seeing the outcomes. Oftentimes, we don't,

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as the public, get to see the outcomes of them.

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This happened right in our backyard, and I had no

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idea about it until I really started reading on this case.

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I was like, golly, that was just right down the road,

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places I go, places I drive every day.

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Whenever you decide to take a case, you look at

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the reports from the officers and you say, okay, great,

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we've got a solid case here. You do what you've

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got to do. Whenever you decided to press charges or

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to take the case and prosecute, when you first met

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the victims, that was very soon on in the process

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or was that after you had more kind of built

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the case? Like at what point do you meet the victims?

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So in this particular case, because the charges were so serious,

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I meet them pretty early on. Okay. Because I know

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this is a case that's likely to go all the

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way to trial. Okay. You know, because the guy was

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looking at three life sentences, you know, as a maximum penalty.

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And when you're looking at a life sentence, if you're

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going to plea it out, you know, you've got to

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have some problems with your case, right? Or you've got

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to have some witness problems, things like that. But ultimately,

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most of these will go to trial because no one's

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going to plead a life. Right. Like, why would they

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do that? I'll, you know, I'll roll the dice.

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You know?

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Well, I actually talked to the officer in this case

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and I'm glad you said that because I was talking

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to him about it and he said, yeah, I remember

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when I spoke with the prosecutor in this one, I

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kind of walked in, just kind of talking and was like, okay, so,

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you know, what kind of deal is he going to get?

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And he said, that man looked at me and said, deal.

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There's going to be no deal on this one. There's

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going to be nothing. He said, we're going to take

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this one all the way home.

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And he was like, all right. Like, you know, he

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liked it, you know.

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Well, it was a solid case. And I always talk

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to the victim first because sometimes these victims don't want

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to testify. They don't want to face their accuser. They

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don't want to go through all that, you know, because

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it re-traumatizes them a lot of times. Yeah. But the

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victim in this case, her courage and bravery was something

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that we don't see all that often.

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Tell me about her as much as you can without,

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tell me what you, I don't know if you were

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able to listen to the episode or not, but I

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kind of gave how I felt about her. What was

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your feeling about her as a person?

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Well, if I remember correctly, she was about 27. You know,

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she was raising her two-year-old daughter. And you could just

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kind of get this sense that she was very independent.

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You know, she took care of herself. She took care

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of her kid. And, you know, she was making it

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on her own kind of thing.

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And she was well put together, would you say?

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Oh, yeah. No, very presentable, very well put together. She

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didn't have any criminal history. You know, she really didn't

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have any issues other than this one particular case. serious issue.

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And what a woman. What a woman, man. She stuck

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that one out and she won. You know, I don't

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know how to say it other than that, but she won.

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And whoever you are, ma'am, I hope that you're listening

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to this, but whoever you are, you're my hero. And

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your little one, your little one is my hero, too,

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because I went through something together that I think is

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a lot of people wouldn't be tough enough to go

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into a courtroom and stand up to their attacker and

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face them and say what happened. And she did.

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Yeah. You know, some people aren't. But I think you know,

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not even in the courtroom, but during the actual progress

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of that crime, like while it was being committed, what

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she went through, you know, just in the back of

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her mind of, I have to do this to keep

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my daughter safe. I don't want him to take off

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with my child. I don't want him to hurt my child.

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I have to be able to stay in the car

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with my child to go through what she went through

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to protect your child says a lot about how she

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is as a mother. Yeah.

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And as a human being, you know, that you're not

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willing to self-sacrifice for that baby. And that's, I just,

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it means the world to me that we have people

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out there, because I'm telling you, I'd fight a bear

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for my babies. I'm telling you. So you got those

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life sentences in this case. He's gone forever. And something

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that I like to mention is that we can never

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count how many lives have been saved or victims have

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been saved by this because it'll never happen. So you

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can't necessarily put into numbers of how much it means

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to have someone put away like this. But what was

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it that, my listeners don't know this, but you took

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it to the next level after that conviction, because we

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had two big cases that came about in the next

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few years. There was the William Porter case and the

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Glenn Sullivan case. Can you tell us a little bit

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about each of these guys and what you decided to

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do when I mean take it to the next level?

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Yeah, so Glenn Sullivan was the next case out of

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this list in order. And he had impregnated a 14-year-old

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girl And how old was he? 54, if I remember correctly.

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54 years old, impregnating a 14-year-old girl.

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Yeah. And he forced the girl to lie to her

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family about who the father was. He made her say

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that it was a random guy at a high school party.

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She didn't even know his name. She has this baby.

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She's raising this baby. After two or three years, she

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just can't take it anymore. And she comes out and

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she says what actually happened. And so because we have

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an actual child, right, we can do a DNA test. Right.

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And it matches. He is the father. As Maury would say, right?

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You are the father, yeah.

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And so he couldn't deny it. We also had him

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on jail calls talking to his mom. She's like, Glenn,

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did you do it? And he's just like, yeah, mama,

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I did it. Oh, my God. So there was no

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doubt he did it. But he was a very strange fellow.

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I think there were a lot of talk about him. And, man,

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everybody felt uneasy about him for a number of years

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from what I can tell. But nobody could ever really

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pin him for something.

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I got you. Thank you. There was talk about as

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far as him with children?

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Just being a dirtbag, just a general dirtbag. This guy's

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never going to get right.

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Did he have any priors?

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I don't remember him having any serious priors sticking out

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in my memories.

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This has been— I understand.

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It's been a while. That conviction was two and a

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half years ago, a little more, a little more than

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two and a half years. But one day I was

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going through Title 14, and I come across this law

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about physical castration. Hmm. Now, up until this point, I

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knew about chemical castration, and I had done a few

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of those. And what that is is it's a series

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of injections of essentially estrogen female hormone therapy. Now, they

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still go to prison. Don't get me wrong. Everybody's still

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going to prison for this. But this estrogen, there's been

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a study. They did it to like 400 inmates, and

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it showed a reduction in sex drive, and they don't

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even want to have sex anymore. And so– I was

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doing those. But then I found physical castration. And I

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looked at it and I kind of read it again.

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I said, Mom, make sure I'm reading this right. And

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I went into Mr. Paraloo's office. I said, hey, boss,

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did you know about this? And he didn't know. It

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had been on the books since 2008.

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So the option was there to physically, surgically castrate these

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men versus the temporary reversible injections that they get. Correct.

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Right. And so I said, do you mind if I

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start doing this? And he didn't tell me no. So

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that's all I needed to hear. I said, all right,

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I have the perfect candidate because there's no doubt about

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his guilt. There's no doubt that he is a dirtbag.

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And he's, at this point in his life, if you're

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54 years old and you're behaving like this, you've probably

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been doing it for a very long time. Correct.

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I would agree.

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And you're probably never going to stop. Because once somebody's

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wired like that, you know, I had a defense lawyer

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one time. It was on a child pornography case. And

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he was actually one of my professors at LSU Law School.

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And he came to me. He said, Brad, I'm going

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to send my client to a rehab in Philadelphia. He's

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going for eight weeks. It's going to cost him like $ 6, 000

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a week. We're going to cure him of his addiction. Okay.

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I said, sir, I need to stop you right there.

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I said, I respect you as an intellectual and as

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an attorney. I think you're a very bright man. I said,

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but you can't fix this. There's no rehab or reform

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in these people. I said, you know, I like adult women.

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You can send me to rehab for eight years. Guess what?

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I'm still going to like adult women when I get out.

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You know, it's just how I'm wired. And unfortunately for

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your client, that's how he's wired. So knowing that this

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guy's never going to change, Glenn Sullivan, I decided that's

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the one we need to do. Now, that was under

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the old law where he actually had to agree to it.

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And so, you know.

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So how did that go? Well, let me, I want

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to say this real quick. It also infuriates me to

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a different level that it's bad enough he got this

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little girl pregnant, but then he made her bite the

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bullet and make it look like she was sleeping around

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at a party and that she got pregnant by some

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random kid. You know what I mean? That's another level

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of victimization, I feel like, just by making her have

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to lie and do all those things. But now he's

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admitting he's done it to his mama. He really didn't

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put up much of an argument, it seems like, at

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all that he had done it, other than he said,

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I didn't do it, and then he was The DNA

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was put in his face. He's like, okay, fine, I did.

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Basically.

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Pretty much.

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That's pretty much what happened. All right.

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And so he's found guilty. And then when you come

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forward with the, oh, by the way, we're also going

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to cut your nuts off for lack of a better term. Okay.

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You know, how'd that go?

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He was surprised. Let's put it to you that way.

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He was very shocked. He did not want to do

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that at first. You know, so this is all part

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of the, we haven't gone to trial yet or anything.

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I'm just saying, look, if you want to plead guilty,

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I'll give you 50 years, but we're also going to

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physically castrate you. But hey, having a number behind your

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name sounds pretty good because you have a chance of

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potentially getting out. Yep. Now, he's 54. He's not getting out, right?

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And his lawyer said, well, how are you going to

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do that? And I said, well, and I opened it

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up and I showed it to him. I said, look,

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we can definitely do this. Well, no one's ever done that.

475
00:20:32.250 --> 00:20:34.369
I said, it doesn't mean we can't. It's the first

476
00:20:34.410 --> 00:20:36.890
time for everything. And so there was some back and

477
00:20:36.930 --> 00:20:39.970
forth and he wasn't real thrilled about it. But ultimately,

478
00:20:40.869 --> 00:20:44.720
I had to draft a motion in order that he signed,

479
00:20:44.759 --> 00:20:47.099
his lawyer signed, I signed, and then the judge signed it.

480
00:20:48.140 --> 00:20:52.019
And that was part of his sentence. And then I'd

481
00:20:52.039 --> 00:20:54.259
say about a month later, I got a phone call

482
00:20:54.299 --> 00:20:57.990
from somebody within Department of Corrections. And he said, Brad,

483
00:20:58.170 --> 00:21:01.130
I just received a motion in order you drafted to

484
00:21:01.190 --> 00:21:05.069
have somebody castrated. I said, yes, sir, you did. And

485
00:21:05.109 --> 00:21:07.069
he said, well, what do you expect us to do?

486
00:21:08.089 --> 00:21:10.009
And I joked about my friends in La Ronja that

487
00:21:10.049 --> 00:21:11.670
have bulls. And I said, man, you could just put

488
00:21:11.690 --> 00:21:13.109
some bands on them and call it a day.

489
00:21:13.130 --> 00:21:14.769
They'll be fine. No problem.

490
00:21:14.910 --> 00:21:18.289
And I said, look, realistically, this is no different than

491
00:21:18.490 --> 00:21:21.589
if you have an inmate that has appendicitis and they

492
00:21:21.609 --> 00:21:24.210
have to have their appendix removed. You know, DOC has

493
00:21:24.470 --> 00:21:26.130
doctors and surgeons and dentists.

494
00:21:26.509 --> 00:21:27.250
Yeah, they have everything.

495
00:21:27.269 --> 00:21:30.240
Yeah, on contract. And if our tax dollars can be

496
00:21:30.380 --> 00:21:33.119
used to pay for a child molester to have open

497
00:21:33.140 --> 00:21:35.470
heart surgery if he needs it, it ought to be

498
00:21:35.509 --> 00:21:37.529
able to use it to pay for a castration.

499
00:21:37.569 --> 00:21:39.410
I mean, hell, Derek Todd Lee, serial killer, he got

500
00:21:39.450 --> 00:21:40.029
a pacemaker.

501
00:21:40.289 --> 00:21:40.450
Right.

502
00:21:40.650 --> 00:21:41.869
We got to keep you alive so we can kill

503
00:21:41.890 --> 00:21:43.509
you later. I mean, it's kind of wild.

504
00:21:43.829 --> 00:21:45.210
It doesn't make any sense to me. No.

505
00:21:45.609 --> 00:21:46.930
And this is the thing, too, I want to bring

506
00:21:46.970 --> 00:21:50.049
up to my listeners. All right. So there's an argument against...

507
00:21:52.450 --> 00:21:55.450
chemical castration. Let's start there, right? Because they're getting Depo-Provera

508
00:21:55.490 --> 00:21:57.839
or whatever it is that they're being injected with. And okay, y'all,

509
00:21:57.859 --> 00:21:59.920
the symptoms the men get are going to be very

510
00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:02.339
similar to the ones we women go through. Their breasts

511
00:22:02.420 --> 00:22:05.819
might enlarge. They might get heat flashes. Okay, well, we've

512
00:22:05.839 --> 00:22:08.140
been doing that for years. Okay, so wah, cry me

513
00:22:08.180 --> 00:22:10.839
a river. But the problem I find with just doing

514
00:22:10.859 --> 00:22:13.509
that is if they are to get out and then

515
00:22:14.009 --> 00:22:16.190
they're done, right? They stop getting the shot. They go

516
00:22:16.230 --> 00:22:16.910
right back to.

517
00:22:17.390 --> 00:22:19.589
Well, so that's the thing. If they get out, they

518
00:22:19.609 --> 00:22:20.990
have to stay on it the rest of their life.

519
00:22:21.599 --> 00:22:23.859
If it's in the sentence.

520
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.319
Yeah, they have to come in on a schedule and

521
00:22:26.339 --> 00:22:29.049
have it done for the rest of their life. And

522
00:22:29.109 --> 00:22:31.369
they have to get drug tested because if they ever

523
00:22:31.430 --> 00:22:34.849
miss an injection or they test positive for testosterone, if

524
00:22:34.869 --> 00:22:38.970
they're taking steroids to combat it and overcome it, that's

525
00:22:39.029 --> 00:22:41.049
a new charge and they go back to prison.

526
00:22:41.309 --> 00:22:43.990
Nice. Because you're never going to be able to take

527
00:22:44.049 --> 00:22:48.190
away the mind of the individual. And the other thing, too,

528
00:22:48.769 --> 00:22:51.769
just because I want to open listeners' eyes maybe to

529
00:22:51.809 --> 00:22:53.539
think about this, too, that some people are like, oh,

530
00:22:53.569 --> 00:22:55.049
it's brutal. I know you said one time you had

531
00:22:55.190 --> 00:22:56.869
a guy call in from like another— Oh, a guy.

532
00:22:56.829 --> 00:23:00.430
From Canada called me repeatedly for like a week. I

533
00:23:00.450 --> 00:23:03.069
can't believe you would do this. This is inhumane. It's brutal.

534
00:23:03.109 --> 00:23:05.390
You bunch of rednecks down there in Louisiana.

535
00:23:05.690 --> 00:23:07.289
You should have said, yee-haw, and hung up.

536
00:23:07.660 --> 00:23:09.400
Well, finally I had enough of it. And I said, sir,

537
00:23:09.420 --> 00:23:12.109
where are you from? And he said, Canada. Canada. I said, well,

538
00:23:12.130 --> 00:23:14.390
the way you're defending this man, it sounds like you

539
00:23:14.450 --> 00:23:16.170
might be the same kind of person he is. So

540
00:23:16.190 --> 00:23:17.569
if I was you, I'd stay out of Louisiana.

541
00:23:17.589 --> 00:23:18.210
Stay right over there.

542
00:23:18.269 --> 00:23:18.529
Yeah.

543
00:23:19.089 --> 00:23:21.750
Well, since you can't rewire the brain of these people,

544
00:23:21.809 --> 00:23:23.950
the problem, too, would be that let's say that they

545
00:23:24.009 --> 00:23:27.869
did somehow cheat the system because we know criminals are

546
00:23:27.890 --> 00:23:31.150
going to do that. You know, they can then continue

547
00:23:31.170 --> 00:23:33.170
to offend people or children or whatever when they get out.

548
00:23:33.190 --> 00:23:36.819
But they also just because they can't perform justice. Standard

549
00:23:37.130 --> 00:23:40.240
sexual means doesn't mean that their fingers aren't there, that

550
00:23:40.279 --> 00:23:43.319
there's not tools there. These people are very perverse in

551
00:23:43.339 --> 00:23:46.019
what they're willing to do. And so when you are

552
00:23:46.039 --> 00:23:50.019
doing this physical castration, it's not reversible.

553
00:23:50.440 --> 00:23:51.099
Right. Right.

554
00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:52.390
And so they're kind of stuck with it.

555
00:23:52.779 --> 00:23:55.299
Yeah. And I've read a lot of the comments online, right? Like, oh,

556
00:23:55.339 --> 00:23:58.900
he still has hands. It doesn't affect his mind. But

557
00:23:58.940 --> 00:24:00.700
it kind of does affect their mind. I mean, you're

558
00:24:00.720 --> 00:24:02.480
taking out all their testosterone.

559
00:24:03.109 --> 00:24:05.109
So the drive reduces.

560
00:24:05.150 --> 00:24:08.470
The mental drive is not there anymore. And there's medical

561
00:24:08.769 --> 00:24:09.750
studies that show that.

562
00:24:09.910 --> 00:24:13.970
And I followed a study in the same regard on

563
00:24:13.990 --> 00:24:17.410
this because I looked deeply into it before this. And

564
00:24:17.589 --> 00:24:20.299
they did some interviews of these offenders that had been

565
00:24:20.950 --> 00:24:23.789
physically castrated. And they said that while sex would come up,

566
00:24:24.619 --> 00:24:26.519
every blue moon in their mind, it's not like it

567
00:24:26.539 --> 00:24:29.180
would go away. It was just like a mild passing thought.

568
00:24:29.319 --> 00:24:30.400
It didn't stimulate.

569
00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:30.839
It didn't.

570
00:24:31.019 --> 00:24:34.369
The drive to like, seek it just was not there.

571
00:24:34.750 --> 00:24:38.789
And so long-term you're saving victims. If you take the

572
00:24:38.829 --> 00:24:40.549
drive away, it's like, take, I guess when a, when

573
00:24:40.589 --> 00:24:43.470
a drug addict no longer is searching for the drug,

574
00:24:43.549 --> 00:24:44.279
I guess, in a way.

575
00:24:44.380 --> 00:24:46.440
Kind of what it is a good analogy, you know,

576
00:24:46.460 --> 00:24:49.059
but the other part of that is in my mind

577
00:24:49.140 --> 00:24:52.019
is that it sends a message to, to all the

578
00:24:52.099 --> 00:24:55.920
other offenders out there, right? If you, if they know, Hey,

579
00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.319
in the 21st judicial district in Louisiana, you get caught

580
00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:03.210
doing this, you're getting castrated, you know, It may make

581
00:25:03.230 --> 00:25:06.059
them think twice, or if nothing else, you know, maybe

582
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:08.539
they'll go somewhere else. Yeah. You know, because as the

583
00:25:08.579 --> 00:25:11.559
DA here, assistant DA here, my job is to protect

584
00:25:11.579 --> 00:25:14.480
this community. You know, I can't do much for the

585
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:17.279
people outside of this community, but my job is here.

586
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:19.299
I got you. And I'm with you. And I really

587
00:25:19.339 --> 00:25:21.680
support it. I just, I feel like in a world,

588
00:25:21.779 --> 00:25:22.960
we live in a world now where everyone's supposed to

589
00:25:22.980 --> 00:25:25.009
be just so nice. And I tell everybody, no, you're

590
00:25:25.029 --> 00:25:27.029
required to be a good person, not a nice person.

591
00:25:27.349 --> 00:25:30.230
And once you've been offended by somebody like this, I'm

592
00:25:30.269 --> 00:25:32.170
with you. Do what we got to do to protect

593
00:25:32.190 --> 00:25:35.829
the children, protect women and anybody really that they would

594
00:25:35.849 --> 00:25:38.210
become victims of theirs. So let me ask you this.

595
00:25:38.309 --> 00:25:43.599
What specific problem do you think physical castration is going

596
00:25:43.619 --> 00:25:46.500
to solve that the existing sentences do not? I know

597
00:25:46.519 --> 00:25:47.680
we kind of covered that probably, but.

598
00:25:48.359 --> 00:25:51.819
Yeah. Well, again, it really removes that sex drive from them.

599
00:25:51.960 --> 00:25:53.859
You know, it takes it basically out of their mind

600
00:25:54.140 --> 00:25:57.359
almost entirely. That's what the studies show. But again, it

601
00:25:57.420 --> 00:25:59.839
sends a message. It sends a message that we're not

602
00:25:59.859 --> 00:26:02.440
going to tolerate you hurting our children here. And we're

603
00:26:02.470 --> 00:26:04.769
going to use everything we can. Look, if the legislature

604
00:26:04.809 --> 00:26:07.490
is willing to give me a tool to use to

605
00:26:07.529 --> 00:26:11.289
combat crime, I'm going to use it. That's why it

606
00:26:11.309 --> 00:26:14.140
wasn't there to fill space in the book. Yeah. It

607
00:26:14.160 --> 00:26:16.220
was there for us to use it. Yeah. So why not?

608
00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:19.119
I agree. It's there. Let's hand it out. You get

609
00:26:19.160 --> 00:26:21.960
like Oprah. You're the Oprah of Livingston Parish. You get

610
00:26:21.980 --> 00:26:24.450
a castration and you get a castration. Now, let me

611
00:26:24.490 --> 00:26:29.089
ask you this. Which sex offenders are eligible for this penalty?

612
00:26:29.210 --> 00:26:31.470
So it's very limited. You know, they really limited it

613
00:26:31.509 --> 00:26:34.710
in scope. You know, it used to be called aggravated rape.

614
00:26:34.750 --> 00:26:37.509
Now it's referred to as first degree rape, you know,

615
00:26:37.589 --> 00:26:41.809
sexual battery under 13. It's, you know, it's very finite,

616
00:26:41.849 --> 00:26:43.759
very finite ones that you can use it for. It's

617
00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:47.440
not your it's not your everyday, you know, sex crime.

618
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:50.079
I say that and it sounds like I'm numb to it. Right.

619
00:26:50.119 --> 00:26:51.140
I get around it all the time.

620
00:26:51.819 --> 00:26:53.980
Just everything doesn't apply, though. So it's not like you're

621
00:26:54.000 --> 00:26:56.039
just running around literally doing this to everybody.

622
00:26:56.059 --> 00:26:56.420
Oh, no.

623
00:26:56.559 --> 00:26:58.680
This is the worst of the worst. It's saved for

624
00:26:59.079 --> 00:27:05.200
very horrendous and atrocious situations beyond your wildest imagination, not

625
00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:08.740
to diminish any other situations that have occurred.

626
00:27:09.069 --> 00:27:09.200
Right.

627
00:27:09.569 --> 00:27:12.710
All right. And so would you ever support physical castration

628
00:27:12.869 --> 00:27:18.900
as a mandatory in any type of situation? Specific type

629
00:27:18.980 --> 00:27:20.059
of offense, do you think?

630
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:22.319
So for these worst of the worst cases that we

631
00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:25.740
use it for now, I think it should be mandatory.

632
00:27:26.559 --> 00:27:28.700
That's one of the platforms I'm using in my campaign

633
00:27:28.720 --> 00:27:31.789
that I'm standing on. That's going to become office policy.

634
00:27:32.420 --> 00:27:35.630
If there is a case where physical castration is allowed

635
00:27:35.690 --> 00:27:37.440
by law, we are going to do it.

636
00:27:38.269 --> 00:27:38.769
I love that.

637
00:27:38.990 --> 00:27:39.250
Every time.

638
00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:43.859
To that point, you are running for district attorney out here.

639
00:27:43.920 --> 00:27:45.859
And so I know I have listeners that are all over,

640
00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:47.920
but to my local folks, pay attention to that because

641
00:27:47.940 --> 00:27:50.880
you're listening to the man right here answer these questions.

642
00:27:50.900 --> 00:27:53.160
And I know that you're open. You're on Facebook, aren't you?

643
00:27:53.180 --> 00:27:55.579
We are. And you can go follow him on Facebook

644
00:27:55.619 --> 00:27:57.980
and you can ask questions and interact and see kind

645
00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.799
of what he's doing out here. And I love that.

646
00:27:59.819 --> 00:28:02.119
So that will become the policy of your office if

647
00:28:02.140 --> 00:28:02.680
you're elected.

648
00:28:02.680 --> 00:28:03.029
100%.

649
00:28:03.029 --> 00:28:05.809
Is that we go for it in any situation that's available.

650
00:28:05.930 --> 00:28:06.089
Yes.

651
00:28:06.230 --> 00:28:09.490
I love that. So you said before or you had

652
00:28:09.529 --> 00:28:12.089
mentioned that the old law was that they had to

653
00:28:12.329 --> 00:28:14.410
agree to it. That's since changed?

654
00:28:14.470 --> 00:28:18.099
That's since changed. Last year it changed for the same offenses.

655
00:28:19.359 --> 00:28:22.859
The court can do it on the state's motion that

656
00:28:22.880 --> 00:28:25.349
the court wants, even if the defendant doesn't want it.

657
00:28:25.740 --> 00:28:26.119
Got you.

658
00:28:28.049 --> 00:28:30.569
So it's not mandatory. You know, the judge can say no.

659
00:28:31.269 --> 00:28:31.670
I got you.

660
00:28:31.930 --> 00:28:34.900
But. We don't need the defendant's consent anymore. Good.

661
00:28:34.980 --> 00:28:36.990
Because the victims didn't give their consent either.

662
00:28:37.009 --> 00:28:37.380
Thank you.

663
00:28:37.890 --> 00:28:38.650
Thank you.

664
00:28:38.869 --> 00:28:41.089
But it only applies to crimes that occurred after the

665
00:28:41.130 --> 00:28:43.170
change in the law. So even if you committed the

666
00:28:43.210 --> 00:28:46.319
crime before and it's still pending, we can't utilize that.

667
00:28:46.359 --> 00:28:48.980
Understand. But moving forward, it's good to know that that

668
00:28:49.019 --> 00:28:52.200
would be a great policy. I think you're moving in

669
00:28:52.220 --> 00:28:54.680
the right direction. And so tell me this. You said

670
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.079
he was surprised. That was Glenn, right?

671
00:28:57.259 --> 00:28:57.759
Right.

672
00:28:58.200 --> 00:29:00.859
Whenever that was brought up, it came out of left field.

673
00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:02.599
Did you feel some type of way when you threw

674
00:29:02.640 --> 00:29:03.039
it out there?

675
00:29:03.059 --> 00:29:04.900
Yeah, I knew he was going to be surprised because

676
00:29:04.980 --> 00:29:08.869
no one's ever talked about it. And I'm sure that

677
00:29:08.950 --> 00:29:12.309
physical castration was not on Glenn Sullivan's bingo card when

678
00:29:12.329 --> 00:29:13.569
he came to court that day. Right.

679
00:29:14.150 --> 00:29:16.509
But it's also not let's make a deal. That's not

680
00:29:16.569 --> 00:29:19.390
what this is. This is more like, hey— This is

681
00:29:19.410 --> 00:29:20.710
what you should do. This is what we'd like you

682
00:29:20.750 --> 00:29:23.990
to do, and it'll benefit everybody, including yourself, help you

683
00:29:24.019 --> 00:29:26.859
calm down and not do. So what about William Porter?

684
00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.720
So talk to me about his case.

685
00:29:30.059 --> 00:29:32.900
William Porter is a guy that really sunk his own ship.

686
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:33.819
Okay.

687
00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:37.619
He was being investigated by a lot of different agencies

688
00:29:37.819 --> 00:29:39.380
for possession of child pornography.

689
00:29:39.680 --> 00:29:39.880
Okay.

690
00:29:40.509 --> 00:29:43.190
And, you know, they have, the way that works is

691
00:29:43.250 --> 00:29:47.369
for people that don't understand, it's pretty interesting. Every file

692
00:29:47.430 --> 00:29:50.710
that's ever been saved on a computer has what's called

693
00:29:50.779 --> 00:29:53.200
a hash number or a hash value. And it's like a,

694
00:29:53.859 --> 00:29:57.880
like a social security number or a fingerprint. They're all different. Okay.

695
00:29:58.250 --> 00:30:03.190
And the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, NCMEC,

696
00:30:03.589 --> 00:30:07.210
has a database of known child pornography, and they store

697
00:30:07.250 --> 00:30:08.819
it by their hash numbers.

698
00:30:09.940 --> 00:30:12.160
So certain files.

699
00:30:12.420 --> 00:30:13.000
Certain files.

700
00:30:13.220 --> 00:30:14.839
So if they're shared, you can follow the hash.

701
00:30:15.019 --> 00:30:17.839
Correct. So it alerts the system, hey, somebody's sharing this

702
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:20.609
file that we know is child pornography. So that hits

703
00:30:20.660 --> 00:30:23.450
at NCMEC. Somebody pulls it up, looks at it, verifies

704
00:30:23.490 --> 00:30:25.509
it is what it is, and they reach out to

705
00:30:25.529 --> 00:30:28.089
whatever agencies in that area. They get a warrant for

706
00:30:28.109 --> 00:30:30.410
the IP address. They get the IP address, and they

707
00:30:30.430 --> 00:30:33.730
go to the service provider, whether it's Cox or Charter

708
00:30:33.750 --> 00:30:36.309
or AT & T, whoever, with a warrant to them.

709
00:30:36.390 --> 00:30:39.299
And then we get the subscriber information, their name, their address.

710
00:30:40.220 --> 00:30:42.759
And so we know exactly where they're at, and we

711
00:30:42.779 --> 00:30:45.259
can find out when it was downloaded. Look, you know

712
00:30:45.279 --> 00:30:48.420
the exact address where it was downloaded or uploaded. You

713
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:50.920
know the time and date, like down to the minute

714
00:30:51.380 --> 00:30:52.640
of when that file was accessed.

715
00:30:53.299 --> 00:30:55.059
And even if they delete it, it doesn't matter because

716
00:30:55.099 --> 00:30:55.519
it's already.

717
00:30:55.539 --> 00:30:56.099
We already got it.

718
00:30:56.099 --> 00:30:56.759
Yeah, you already got it.

719
00:30:56.839 --> 00:30:57.400
We already got it.

720
00:30:57.440 --> 00:30:57.720
Love it.

721
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:02.289
I had a guy actually admit the other day, there's

722
00:31:02.329 --> 00:31:04.430
no way they got that child porn from my computer

723
00:31:04.450 --> 00:31:07.289
because I deleted it before they showed up. And he

724
00:31:07.329 --> 00:31:09.410
said it in court on the record. And I looked

725
00:31:09.430 --> 00:31:10.960
at my court reporter and I was like, hey, can

726
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:11.980
I get that please?

727
00:31:12.900 --> 00:31:14.220
Ding, ding, ding. There it is.

728
00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.900
Wow. So they execute a search warrant at William Porter's

729
00:31:17.920 --> 00:31:20.109
house to take his computers and his phones and that

730
00:31:20.119 --> 00:31:22.730
kind of thing. And the agents are talking to him

731
00:31:22.769 --> 00:31:25.869
about the child porn. And not only does he admit

732
00:31:25.910 --> 00:31:28.710
to the child porn, he then admits to a sex

733
00:31:28.829 --> 00:31:29.569
act on a juvenile.

734
00:31:31.069 --> 00:31:31.569
Just right there.

735
00:31:31.769 --> 00:31:33.410
Right there. Just out of the blue. And the agents

736
00:31:33.450 --> 00:31:35.309
were kind of, they were shocked, right? They looked at

737
00:31:35.329 --> 00:31:37.170
each other like, wait a minute, what did you just say?

738
00:31:38.130 --> 00:31:40.109
And he just confessed to it again.

739
00:31:40.309 --> 00:31:42.069
And I had pulled some of that because I was

740
00:31:42.109 --> 00:31:44.250
reading through it. And from what I understand, it was

741
00:31:44.269 --> 00:31:46.799
a nine-year-old victim, correct? That's a second grader.

742
00:31:47.150 --> 00:31:47.339
Right.

743
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:52.180
And he was abusing this child just, you know. So

744
00:31:52.200 --> 00:31:54.500
for people who say, oh, child porn, that's something I

745
00:31:54.519 --> 00:31:57.579
wanted to ask you about. The ruling by these federal

746
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.859
judges that this AI child porn, oh, that should be protected,

747
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.660
you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. This is a

748
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:07.869
testament to why I can't understand that. Anybody that is

749
00:32:07.970 --> 00:32:10.930
fueled by child pornography, you think that they're not going

750
00:32:10.950 --> 00:32:11.910
to want a real victim?

751
00:32:12.890 --> 00:32:15.970
It always, inevitably, if we don't stop it, it will

752
00:32:16.069 --> 00:32:18.509
escalate to that. Yes. You know, like it used to

753
00:32:18.549 --> 00:32:21.400
be the men that would flash people in public. You know,

754
00:32:21.460 --> 00:32:22.279
you had your flashers.

755
00:32:22.319 --> 00:32:22.579
Yeah.

756
00:32:22.839 --> 00:32:25.079
They would start doing that until that didn't, you know,

757
00:32:25.180 --> 00:32:26.900
do anything for them anymore. Yeah. And then they would

758
00:32:26.920 --> 00:32:29.099
start groping and touching and grabbing, and then it leads

759
00:32:29.119 --> 00:32:29.589
to raping.

760
00:32:29.769 --> 00:32:29.940
Yeah.

761
00:32:30.140 --> 00:32:31.670
It's the same thing with child porn. Yeah.

762
00:32:31.730 --> 00:32:33.690
No one's going to look at something and then not–

763
00:32:33.829 --> 00:32:36.109
I mean, hell, we look at a menu before we order. Why?

764
00:32:36.190 --> 00:32:37.990
Because we want to get prepared for what we're about

765
00:32:38.029 --> 00:32:41.049
to eat. And so this is one of those exact things. Like,

766
00:32:41.089 --> 00:32:42.809
you just thought you were going in– not just for, but,

767
00:32:42.829 --> 00:32:45.490
you know, for child pornography, not with a live victim.

768
00:32:45.509 --> 00:32:47.930
Then you roll out of there with a living, breathing

769
00:32:47.970 --> 00:32:51.569
victim right there, you know– not even expecting that.

770
00:32:51.670 --> 00:32:53.170
No, I don't think anybody expected that.

771
00:32:53.970 --> 00:32:55.190
And so what ended up happening with him?

772
00:32:56.109 --> 00:32:59.710
Um, same situation as Glenn, you know, um, he agreed

773
00:32:59.750 --> 00:33:01.819
to it. He did. And he did not at first,

774
00:33:01.980 --> 00:33:03.640
it took him a few months of coming back and

775
00:33:03.680 --> 00:33:06.480
forth to court. And I kept telling this lawyer, I'm

776
00:33:06.579 --> 00:33:09.279
not budging on this. Yeah. He can either do this

777
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:11.160
or we're going to go to trial and I'm still

778
00:33:11.180 --> 00:33:12.650
going to ask for it. Yeah.

779
00:33:13.309 --> 00:33:13.509
Good.

780
00:33:13.650 --> 00:33:14.930
Um, Good.

781
00:33:14.990 --> 00:33:17.990
I mean, this is just, you know, there's some things

782
00:33:18.009 --> 00:33:19.849
that like I heard you say before, like you can

783
00:33:19.869 --> 00:33:22.279
at least understand why someone got where they were. Like

784
00:33:22.359 --> 00:33:23.759
if you got mad and you pulled a trigger.

785
00:33:24.000 --> 00:33:24.180
Right.

786
00:33:24.299 --> 00:33:26.079
It wasn't right. You know, but.

787
00:33:26.559 --> 00:33:27.680
You can still follow the logic.

788
00:33:27.700 --> 00:33:28.210
You can follow it.

789
00:33:28.240 --> 00:33:30.079
You know, a drug addict who breaks into a car

790
00:33:30.099 --> 00:33:32.609
to steal, to get money, to go buy dope. I

791
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:34.549
don't agree with it, but I follow the logic. I

792
00:33:34.589 --> 00:33:35.430
see how you got there.

793
00:33:35.609 --> 00:33:35.829
Yeah.

794
00:33:36.230 --> 00:33:37.210
None of this makes sense.

795
00:33:37.529 --> 00:33:39.349
No. And it's not something we can predict either. It's

796
00:33:39.369 --> 00:33:42.920
very hard to, I think. Without seeing red flags, which

797
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:44.799
are– then that means things are happening, right?

798
00:33:44.980 --> 00:33:45.220
Right.

799
00:33:45.819 --> 00:33:51.380
So let me ask you this. What about juvenile sex offenders?

800
00:33:52.779 --> 00:33:56.099
How do you– where is the line drawn in the

801
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:59.500
law insofar as castration of juvenile offenders?

802
00:34:00.779 --> 00:34:02.059
I don't think we're allowed to do that.

803
00:34:02.279 --> 00:34:02.920
I wouldn't think so.

804
00:34:03.220 --> 00:34:09.960
Yeah. But– I wouldn't– I don't think we're allowed to

805
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:13.539
do that to juveniles. I would say that on juvenile

806
00:34:13.559 --> 00:34:16.179
sex offenses, those are really, you got to take them

807
00:34:16.199 --> 00:34:19.949
case by case. You got to treat those totally differently.

808
00:34:20.739 --> 00:34:21.019
I agree.

809
00:34:21.239 --> 00:34:22.519
We don't have to go in more depth. I just

810
00:34:22.539 --> 00:34:23.780
was curious if you were going to be– I didn't

811
00:34:23.800 --> 00:34:25.210
know if you were going to be like, oh, well, actually.

812
00:34:25.230 --> 00:34:26.269
No, no, no, no, no.

813
00:34:26.329 --> 00:34:27.309
I was like, oh, God.

814
00:34:27.690 --> 00:34:27.969
Wow.

815
00:34:28.289 --> 00:34:31.030
All right. And so the medical professionals that carry this out,

816
00:34:31.110 --> 00:34:32.590
like I think you touched on that too, that that's

817
00:34:32.610 --> 00:34:34.230
just going to be like going for a procedure, get

818
00:34:34.269 --> 00:34:35.869
it done, and then go back.

819
00:34:35.989 --> 00:34:37.610
I mean, I can't see why it would be any different.

820
00:34:37.780 --> 00:34:37.960
Yeah.

821
00:34:38.059 --> 00:34:39.800
You know, we use our tax dollars all the time

822
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:42.280
to perform, you know, so inmates can have surgeries and

823
00:34:42.320 --> 00:34:46.139
doctor visits and dental visits. I got you. This is

824
00:34:47.139 --> 00:34:48.119
just a procedure form.

825
00:34:48.539 --> 00:34:51.539
And so as far as motive of going for this,

826
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:57.019
would you say it's a combination of incapacitation and deterrence

827
00:34:58.019 --> 00:35:01.139
and retribution and public safety? Or would you say it's

828
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:04.530
more one or the other? What is your ultimate viewpoint

829
00:35:04.570 --> 00:35:04.840
on that?

830
00:35:05.139 --> 00:35:08.449
I think it's a combination of, you know, stopping them

831
00:35:08.510 --> 00:35:11.909
from ever being able to do this again or doing

832
00:35:11.929 --> 00:35:13.869
as much as we can, right, to stop them from

833
00:35:13.909 --> 00:35:16.630
ever doing this again to somebody. Mm-hmm. and sending a

834
00:35:16.659 --> 00:35:19.159
message to every other offender out there. This is not

835
00:35:19.219 --> 00:35:21.460
the place to play around. I love it.

836
00:35:22.199 --> 00:35:24.539
Tell me this, considering everything we have discussed today, I

837
00:35:24.619 --> 00:35:26.760
want to tell you this, though. I do appreciate your

838
00:35:27.219 --> 00:35:29.619
viewpoint and that you're going after this on these offenders.

839
00:35:29.659 --> 00:35:31.920
And again, not because I'm mean, but because we got

840
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:34.460
to do something. This is getting out of control with

841
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:35.260
technology today.

842
00:35:35.380 --> 00:35:40.570
It's... Technology, look, social media and technology, you know, it's

843
00:35:40.590 --> 00:35:41.429
great for stuff like this.

844
00:35:41.650 --> 00:35:42.170
Yeah. Right?

845
00:35:43.389 --> 00:35:47.489
But... Just like anything else in this world, when advancement

846
00:35:47.570 --> 00:35:49.650
gets in the hands of evil people, they use it

847
00:35:49.670 --> 00:35:52.969
for evil things. The amount of cases that start with

848
00:35:53.010 --> 00:35:58.559
a juvenile and a phone, it's always a phone. For years,

849
00:35:58.739 --> 00:36:01.260
since I've been an assistant DA, 13 years, I've been

850
00:36:01.300 --> 00:36:03.480
going to schools and talking to kids about their phones,

851
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:05.719
saying you really need to be careful what you're doing

852
00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:07.699
on that phone. When you're on Snapchat, when you're on

853
00:36:07.739 --> 00:36:10.400
these apps and you're talking to people and you're sending pictures,

854
00:36:10.460 --> 00:36:12.519
you don't know who you're sending that to. You don't

855
00:36:12.599 --> 00:36:13.699
really know who you're talking to.

856
00:36:13.969 --> 00:36:15.389
And it's like they don't get it. And that's actually

857
00:36:15.409 --> 00:36:18.460
what I was rolling into. What would your advice be

858
00:36:18.559 --> 00:36:20.519
in these situations of the things that you've seen over

859
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:23.440
and over and over again, just over and over again?

860
00:36:23.460 --> 00:36:27.039
The answer seems to be don't give your kid a phone.

861
00:36:27.340 --> 00:36:29.719
Yeah. You know, my daughter is going to be 12

862
00:36:29.719 --> 00:36:32.099
in a couple weeks. And she's like, Daddy, I really

863
00:36:32.139 --> 00:36:34.110
want a cell phone for my birthday. And I said,

864
00:36:34.179 --> 00:36:36.670
I love you, but you're not getting one. Yeah. You know,

865
00:36:36.710 --> 00:36:38.510
there's no need for her to have one yet. Now,

866
00:36:38.530 --> 00:36:40.349
when she starts going out on her own, you know,

867
00:36:41.090 --> 00:36:41.869
in her teenage years.

868
00:36:41.909 --> 00:36:42.530
And driving.

869
00:36:42.730 --> 00:36:45.420
Yeah, she's going to have a phone. Right. And I'm

870
00:36:45.440 --> 00:36:47.539
not joking when I say this. She thinks I'm joking.

871
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.219
It's probably going to be a flip phone. All she

872
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:51.840
needs to do is to be able to call people.

873
00:36:52.000 --> 00:36:53.760
Hey, we had pagers, okay? We had to go get

874
00:36:53.780 --> 00:36:54.400
a pay phone.

875
00:36:54.539 --> 00:36:55.360
That's right. Okay?

876
00:36:55.599 --> 00:36:57.539
My little boyfriend in high school, I'd put in 143.

877
00:36:57.539 --> 00:36:59.000
So it'd say, I love you. And I'd page him

878
00:36:59.039 --> 00:36:59.780
just so he would know.

879
00:37:00.199 --> 00:37:00.380
Okay.

880
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:02.000
We had to live in the hard times back then.

881
00:37:02.019 --> 00:37:03.079
That's right. The struggle.

882
00:37:03.239 --> 00:37:04.739
They'll be okay. They'll be all right.

883
00:37:04.989 --> 00:37:06.570
There's just, you know, there's no need for a kid

884
00:37:06.610 --> 00:37:12.489
to have unfettered, unsupervised access to everything on the internet.

885
00:37:13.070 --> 00:37:15.510
Because there's so much bad stuff out there and there's

886
00:37:15.530 --> 00:37:18.309
so many bad people on the other end of that phone.

887
00:37:18.829 --> 00:37:20.849
You know, here in Livingston, I've been working with our

888
00:37:20.989 --> 00:37:24.800
ICAC team for years. And when Chris Hansen comes to town,

889
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:27.500
I've been on five or six of those undercover operations.

890
00:37:28.679 --> 00:37:32.880
And it is frightening when you, you know, the LPSO

891
00:37:32.900 --> 00:37:35.280
will make a profile of a 15-year-old girl, set it up,

892
00:37:36.090 --> 00:37:38.809
send something out there. Within a matter of 20 or

893
00:37:38.809 --> 00:37:43.030
30 minutes, you've just got messages coming in. inappropriate photographs,

894
00:37:43.269 --> 00:37:47.289
inappropriate questions. One night at an apartment in Denham Springs,

895
00:37:47.690 --> 00:37:51.349
we had 11 men show up in one night thinking

896
00:37:51.369 --> 00:37:54.449
they were meeting a 15-year-old kid. I mean, they were

897
00:37:54.469 --> 00:37:55.469
rolling in one after the other.

898
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:57.550
Just like clockwork.

899
00:37:58.139 --> 00:38:01.000
One guy drove all the way from Arkansas. And I

900
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:02.920
can remember thinking like, man, you had like six and

901
00:38:02.940 --> 00:38:04.840
a half hours to think about what you were doing

902
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:06.500
and change your mind and turn around.

903
00:38:06.800 --> 00:38:08.460
And all he did was press that gas harder.

904
00:38:08.559 --> 00:38:13.280
We had a doctor from HOMA. one man came in

905
00:38:13.320 --> 00:38:15.280
with a book sack, and when they looked into it,

906
00:38:15.400 --> 00:38:19.940
he had bungee cords and a pistol. Yeah.

907
00:38:20.340 --> 00:38:23.969
And I think about all these kids, you know, I

908
00:38:24.010 --> 00:38:26.050
think about a lot of kids that, you know, I'm

909
00:38:26.429 --> 00:38:30.349
a helicopter mom, and I don't care. You're going to

910
00:38:30.369 --> 00:38:31.909
go through me. That's all I can tell you. You're

911
00:38:31.929 --> 00:38:33.469
going to go through me. But I think about all

912
00:38:33.510 --> 00:38:35.880
these kids that don't have that. But for some reason,

913
00:38:35.889 --> 00:38:37.539
they always seem to have a phone. They won't even

914
00:38:37.579 --> 00:38:40.389
be fed, but they'll have a phone. And I think

915
00:38:40.449 --> 00:38:43.969
about the thing my daddy, my stepdaddy's a Marine, okay?

916
00:38:44.010 --> 00:38:46.159
And something he told me when I was in like

917
00:38:46.300 --> 00:38:48.380
fifth grade, I've never forgotten it. He said, baby, don't

918
00:38:48.420 --> 00:38:51.699
ever forget that if the enemy is in close range,

919
00:38:51.739 --> 00:38:55.179
so are you. And so when I think about the

920
00:38:55.219 --> 00:38:58.539
cell phone, we're telling our kids, be careful about what

921
00:38:58.599 --> 00:39:00.760
you put out there. Be careful about, but what's happening

922
00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:02.659
is they're not realizing is that what's on the other

923
00:39:02.699 --> 00:39:05.139
side of the phone is coming after them. And it's like,

924
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:08.320
I don't think they understand that. It's not even you really.

925
00:39:08.340 --> 00:39:12.139
You could be innocent. doing just putting normal pictures. They're

926
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:13.559
going to be coming after you.

927
00:39:13.880 --> 00:39:15.840
They're looking for you. I mean, these guys are on there.

928
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:19.159
They're looking for people. And every single guy that shows

929
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:21.920
up at these sting operations, they all say the same thing.

930
00:39:22.909 --> 00:39:26.610
I've never done this before. There is no way somebody

931
00:39:26.670 --> 00:39:29.949
is so unlucky the first time they have an inappropriate chat.

932
00:39:30.139 --> 00:39:32.320
with a child online, it's actually the police on the

933
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:33.699
other side. There's just no way.

934
00:39:33.739 --> 00:39:35.039
And they say it like 15 times.

935
00:39:35.119 --> 00:39:37.300
Yeah. I'm 13. We make it very clear. They make

936
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.239
it very clear that they are underage. Are you okay

937
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:43.460
with that? You know, my parents aren't home. I don't

938
00:39:43.510 --> 00:39:44.820
want to get in trouble. I don't want to get

939
00:39:44.889 --> 00:39:47.630
you in trouble. And they just don't, they don't care.

940
00:39:48.320 --> 00:39:50.539
You know, and when you talk about parents giving their

941
00:39:50.559 --> 00:39:53.860
kids phones and not really paying attention, you know, my

942
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:55.820
wife and I remind each other of this all the time.

943
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:01.349
Being a parent is hard if you're a good parent. Yeah.

944
00:40:01.590 --> 00:40:03.289
You know, it's very easy to be a parent if

945
00:40:03.309 --> 00:40:05.050
you're just going to throw a phone at them and

946
00:40:05.110 --> 00:40:08.489
just walk away and have them entertain themselves. Right. But

947
00:40:08.530 --> 00:40:11.190
what you're doing is setting your kid up for a disaster.

948
00:40:12.949 --> 00:40:16.469
It's frightening. I know it's becoming almost a necessary thing

949
00:40:16.510 --> 00:40:19.119
nowadays to have some type of communication with your child.

950
00:40:20.420 --> 00:40:22.599
But just be aware. I tell parents, be aware of

951
00:40:22.659 --> 00:40:26.739
what apps are on your kids' phones. At nighttime, for instance,

952
00:40:26.780 --> 00:40:29.059
when your kid's at home and they're going to bed,

953
00:40:29.900 --> 00:40:32.500
take the phone. Put it on the charger in your

954
00:40:32.559 --> 00:40:34.199
room because why else would they need it? Right.

955
00:40:34.599 --> 00:40:36.800
And I'll tell you something in my household, too. The

956
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.559
second you turn that phone over or you swipe out

957
00:40:39.599 --> 00:40:42.360
of something when I walk up, you've lost it. Give

958
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:45.219
it to me. Let me see it because there's no reason.

959
00:40:45.280 --> 00:40:46.519
And I'm not talking about a little cuss word here

960
00:40:46.539 --> 00:40:48.139
and there, which I do not condone. My kids better

961
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:50.550
not be cussing. But what I'm saying is, you know,

962
00:40:50.570 --> 00:40:54.170
I understand kids are going to do silly things like that.

963
00:40:54.210 --> 00:40:56.429
But it's the one time you don't check that it

964
00:40:56.469 --> 00:41:00.309
could be a communication with somebody that'll take your kid

965
00:41:01.010 --> 00:41:01.670
and never see him again.

966
00:41:02.090 --> 00:41:02.210
Yeah.

967
00:41:02.230 --> 00:41:03.489
You know, come pick him up and you never see

968
00:41:03.530 --> 00:41:03.809
him again.

969
00:41:03.829 --> 00:41:06.769
I had a case here in Livingston of a started

970
00:41:06.829 --> 00:41:09.139
out on the phone, on the Internet, talking. And it

971
00:41:09.179 --> 00:41:11.400
was an underage girl. I believe she was in the

972
00:41:11.420 --> 00:41:13.539
city of Walker, if I'm not mistaken. It's been several years.

973
00:41:14.579 --> 00:41:18.969
And the defendant was in his late 20s. He drove

974
00:41:19.030 --> 00:41:23.590
from Texas to her house. And he walked up to

975
00:41:23.610 --> 00:41:25.550
the door and knocked on the door. Well, he was

976
00:41:25.590 --> 00:41:28.869
at the neighbor's house on accident. And, you know, a

977
00:41:28.929 --> 00:41:30.510
man answered the door and he was like, oh, I'm

978
00:41:30.530 --> 00:41:33.320
here to see, you know, so-and-so. And the man said, well,

979
00:41:33.340 --> 00:41:35.579
she lives next door. And he closed the door and

980
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:38.269
he said, well, that was weird. So he called that

981
00:41:38.309 --> 00:41:41.789
girl's dad or stepdad, I can't remember now, and told

982
00:41:41.849 --> 00:41:45.170
him he came home. He was packing her suitcase. He

983
00:41:45.190 --> 00:41:48.289
had a hotel reservation on the other side of town.

984
00:41:48.849 --> 00:41:50.610
He was going to leave the house with that child.

985
00:41:53.329 --> 00:41:56.030
It's a real deal. And look, I'm still figuring out

986
00:41:56.050 --> 00:41:58.380
this parent thing, right? My oldest is about to be 12.

987
00:41:58.360 --> 00:42:00.800
My two boys are eight and six. It's a hard

988
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:04.010
thing to figure out because you know, you get scared off.

989
00:42:04.050 --> 00:42:06.250
I'm too overbearing. They're going to, they're going to lash

990
00:42:06.389 --> 00:42:07.630
out and they're going to, you know, they're going to

991
00:42:07.650 --> 00:42:10.010
get wild whenever they get a second of freedom. Yeah.

992
00:42:10.289 --> 00:42:12.110
But if you just cut them loose and don't watch them,

993
00:42:12.130 --> 00:42:13.469
they're going to get in trouble. So where do you

994
00:42:13.510 --> 00:42:14.349
find that balance?

995
00:42:14.369 --> 00:42:16.760
That's hard. You'll just have to hate me today and

996
00:42:16.800 --> 00:42:18.659
love me tomorrow. That's where I'm at. Hate me today

997
00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:20.159
and love me tomorrow. Cause I want you to live

998
00:42:20.199 --> 00:42:23.059
to enjoy your life and not have something traumatic happen

999
00:42:23.079 --> 00:42:25.559
to you that I can't undo. Well, listen, thank you

1000
00:42:25.579 --> 00:42:28.219
so much for your insight because I love having the

1001
00:42:28.260 --> 00:42:30.809
person who actually deals with it and does it sitting

1002
00:42:30.849 --> 00:42:32.769
across from me and, I hope that in the future,

1003
00:42:32.849 --> 00:42:34.840
maybe we could do some other cases I could cover

1004
00:42:34.949 --> 00:42:37.360
of yours. And, you know, we could get back together

1005
00:42:37.380 --> 00:42:38.980
and we can talk about it. Will you be at

1006
00:42:39.780 --> 00:42:40.300
Fall Fest?

1007
00:42:40.840 --> 00:42:41.099
I will.

1008
00:42:41.219 --> 00:42:41.820
In Denham Springs?

1009
00:42:41.860 --> 00:42:42.019
Yes.

1010
00:42:42.340 --> 00:42:44.739
Cool. I'll be at Fall Fest, too, for my local listeners.

1011
00:42:44.800 --> 00:42:46.449
If you are going to be out there, look for me.

1012
00:42:46.469 --> 00:42:49.949
I'll have a booth, my unspeakable booth. And then, Cassio,

1013
00:42:49.989 --> 00:42:51.889
you'll be out there. We'll be out there. You know,

1014
00:42:51.909 --> 00:42:53.889
you can shake his hand, tell him hello, and say, hey,

1015
00:42:53.909 --> 00:42:54.510
I heard about you.

1016
00:42:54.530 --> 00:42:56.929
Yeah, we'll probably have a booth out there as well.

1017
00:42:57.130 --> 00:42:57.659
Okay, perfect.

1018
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:57.909
So, yeah.

1019
00:42:58.170 --> 00:42:59.860
Well, thank you so much. I really enjoyed this.

1020
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:01.030
Yeah, thanks for having me. I enjoyed it.

1021
00:43:01.150 --> 00:43:02.630
No problem. And until next time, we will catch you

1022
00:43:02.800 --> 00:43:03.139
on the flip.