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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell
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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are
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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this
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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,
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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,
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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so
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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable is intended
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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm
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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's
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kJ He're back for another episode. What's going on? I
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have to tell y'all, if you go look at my Facebook,
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you're gonna be I don't know. You may like it,
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you may not. But there's a photo of me that
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I posted because I went to the Renaissance Festival for
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the first time ever in my life, which probably makes
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me a nerd. But whatever had a blast and found
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like some little funny stuff that was that they were
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selling there, and one of the things was a pen
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that said I'm not mean, You're just a sissy. And
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I was just so tickled by it. But I posted
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a picture on my Facebook. If you go look it
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up you can. You can see me there. But I
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had the best weekend rolling into a great week that
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I'm now recording this. I do have some shout outs though,
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I want to do before I get into this story,
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and I'm gonna start in Marshall, Texas with Miss Patty Mays.
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I've spoken to you, Miss Patty online, and it's been
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a joy, and I appreciate you joining my Patreon and
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supporting me, as well as Ashland Carney right here in Walker, Louisiana. Hey, Ashland,
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me and you probably running around each other and don't
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even know it. I might see at Walmart, you never know.
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And then I've got Kathy Elm from Harper's Ferry West, Virginia. Hi, Kathy.
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Things over there? I've never been there. That's one of
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the things on my to do list though. I want
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to travel more, and that's coming up because y'all know
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I'm going to retire from teaching and I can't wait.
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I'm gonna go travel. And then one place I might
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need to go is Cannon Falls, Minnesota. I've never even
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heard of that before. Miss Gina Johnson, Hey Gina, what's
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going on? How are things over there? Tell everybody, I
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said hello and that I'm so thankful to have you
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as a listener, and I would love to have them
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as a listener. Share the word, let everybody know. And
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my followers are going up and up and up, which
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is a good sign. So I still have more shout
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outs I'm gonna do next next episode, but I want
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to thank everyone who continues to support me, continues to join.
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Know that if you join Patreon, I put more follow
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up information, photos, little personal things, discussions, whatever, and I'm
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going to be doing more and more as the months
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go by because I'm getting really ramped up for this
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to be my full time job. Another thing I wanted
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to tell you about is I know you've heard me
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talk about delete me. Y'all have to go try this out.
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Go to the website, go to delete me, fill out
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your information. They're given amazing deals right now, especially if
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you use my discount code. And I got my last report.
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I'm not kidding you, twenty four pages in that report
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and it was just item after item after item of
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my personal information. Like me personally, I'm not reading you
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something right now. I'm telling you my personal information that
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was online that they were able to show me and
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that they were able to take care of and in
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the world we're in today, you've got to protect yourself online.
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It was worth it, it will be worth it, it continues
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to be worth it. Go check it out. Delete me,
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delete me, and you'll be glad that you did. Okay,
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this case, this is one that I'm very familiar with,
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and it's one that's always kind of like giving me
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the hebgbi's and I wasn't expecting to do it this week,
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but I thought, you know what, I want to tell
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that one because I've just that story really always stuck
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with me as one that was bizarre, and I think
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you may enjoy it. And if you've heard it before, great,
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you're not going to hear it the way I tell it.
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But we're going to go to Collegeville, Pennsylvania. Do I
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have any Collegeville people? Listen, please stand up if I'm
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talking to you, look around, because you're the star of
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the show right now. I did not know there was
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a Collegeville and it sounds kind of neat to me.
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And on their website they boast we are one of
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the safest communities in Montgomery County and the state, and
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I find that to be just a great attribute for
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an area to claim, you know that they are the safest.
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What a great thing. And even people more and more
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as I see what like realtors that are friends of
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mine put online as their start you know, they give
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that score of safety score, and so that would be great, right.
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Not a lot happens here, but that also tells you
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when something does happen there, it's almost like mind blowing.
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And I'm sure that's one of the very reasons that
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James and Lisa Mandrac decided to stay and settle their
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little family in that area. Lisa had known her husband,
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James basically her entire life, specifically too, I looked it
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up secifically from the age of ten. They met when
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they were kids, and people who knew her would arguably
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say that she was in love with him ever since
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she met him, even when they were younger. Now, she
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was not his first wife. He had gotten married really young,
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but they divorced, and shortly after that divorce concluded, Lisa
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and him reconnected and they started dating. And before that, though,
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how did they know one another. It's because Lisa was
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just the little sister of James's friends, his guy friends.
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She was a little sister always around the house. But
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she grew up and their relationship blossomed as they got older,
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and eventually he would ask for her hand in marriage
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and she would accept. She had loved him since she
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was a kid and thought so much of him, and
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they would marry in nineteen ninety three at Saint Patrick's
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Church in Norristown. I want to tell you about Lisa Stunning,
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an absolute stunner. She was five foot eight, so she
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was on the taller side. Well, I'm five four. I
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think five eight's kind of tall, but maybe not. But
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she was five foot eight, very thin and very fit.
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Looking at her, she was blokidy cow. I don't know
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if you're watching me, you saw my hands the way
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I'm doing this, But she was a very good looking woman.
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She had fair, fair skin, but contrasted against that fair
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skin long black hair, and people would say like snow white,
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if you want to think of that, because tall, thin, beautiful,
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pale with that long black hair. And when you're looking
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at Lisa's face, she has very dainty but symmetrical features
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and she was just a beautiful woman by all standards.
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I think that anyone that looks at this woman would
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say that she was pretty, and she had a huge
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smile that she just lit up. And I know you
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never want to say that about somebody on a podcast,
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specifically a true crime one, but it's the truth. When
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this woman smiled, you could just see the joy in
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her eyes and so pretty. In fact, have you ever
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looked at a woman maybe far away, and you're like, wow,
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she looks really pretty, But you keep looking as she
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gets closer because you're kind of curious, is she really
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pretty or like, is she going to be, you know,
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fugly when she gets closer. But the thing about Lisa
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was that she would just get pretti or the closer
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that she got. But just two years after they got married,
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Lisa would have been twenty nine years old, and now
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she was the beaming mother, full of pride and joy
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for her baby girl. And she and her husband James
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named her Devin, And I think that's a beautiful name
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for a baby girl. And she looked just like her
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mama too, just like her at nineteen months old when
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this case kind of you know, peaks. Lisa was just
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obsessed with her daughter. And that's not a bad thing,
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that's a great thing. She was obsessed with her as
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all first time mothers would be doated on her hand
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and foot thought that she hung the moon, which I'm
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sure she actually did in her mother's eyes. And their
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marriage was going so well. Both Lisa and James, though
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they worked really hard to make ends meet, they were
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not wealthy. James was working as a worker at a
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genitorial supply company and Lisa worked on an assembly line,
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like a factory assembly line at Fleming Companies. And something
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that I found really neat about Lisa was that not
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only was Lisa beautiful, but she was unafraid to work.
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And I would just call her a tough cookie. She
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was tough. She was not afraid to learn new things
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and to try new things. Case in point, Lisa learned
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to drive a forklift because she realized, if I can,
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if I can, if I can skirt around town in
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that forklift, and I can do more jobs, I can
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make more money on the floor at the factory. And
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that's just what she did. What a woman, you know
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what I'm saying. A go getter, unafraid to get outside
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of her comfort zone. And beautiful. What a ten you know,
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she just sounds like a woman that I would have
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looked up to and thought a whole lot of And
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something else about this couple that was just extraordinarily endearing
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about the both of them is that they did everything
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they could to be successful, and they did it together.
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For example, on the weekends, to make sure that they
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could make ends meet, they actually would go clean offices together,
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husband and wife. As a team, they would go out
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on the weekends and clean businesses to make that extra cash.
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They were devoted to one another. This was a true
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team work strategy, and it worked for this couple. It
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was a beautiful marriage. One thing they came up with, though,
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was they agreed Sundays were quote unquote their days together.
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So like in my own marriage, I'll bring this up.
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We have the saying or I do, and my husband
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follows along. But there are mommy things and there are
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daddy things. Okay, And sure I could probably do some
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of the daddy things. He of course could do some
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of the mama things. But we just early on in
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our marriage that's just the way it was. Daddy takes
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the trash out, that's a daddy thing. Now I do
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it sometimes, okay, but I want the daddy to do it.
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Cutting limbs in the trees, those are daddy things. I
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can help him out, but I want the daddy to
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do it, going up in the attic. If I'm mad,
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I will go up in that. But for the most part,
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my Blake does it for me. I do the mommy
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things right when the kids are sick, I'll clean it up.
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If laundry needs to be done, I'm the main laundry doer,
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but he does it too. But we decided that that
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was one of the things that we were doing in
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our marriage, and it works great for us well. In
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their marriage, Sundays were their days spending time together, catching
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up on errands, running and doing the chores, the house chores,
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but they would do spend their time together. I would say, busy,
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but blessed. That's how I saw this marriage. And another
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blessing was that at this eighteen month mark, Devin was
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beginning to speak, and she would lovingly call out to
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her mommy and her daddy and they would just grin.
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She would grin ear, ear to ear with her mommy
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and her daddy, and she was so proud to be
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able to call them and we if you have children,
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you know the joy of that when they Mama, right Daddy.
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And she was calling out to them. So those Sundays
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I spoke of, and those afternoons now that Devin was born,
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was happily focused on Devin, raising her, playing with her,
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just having all the fun that they could. And there
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were things that mattered and things that didn't. On Sunday
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and spending time together was what mattered, and Lisa and
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James they both loved being outside with their baby girl,
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playing in the yard, having fun, just doing the simple
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things of just spending time together. And the neighborhood that
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they had moved into was perfect for their small family,
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tons of kids, lots of families out and about, a
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great atmosphere and just somewhere you really would want to
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grow up and to have your kids grow up. So
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on Sunday, September tenth and nineteen ninety five, Lisa was
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worrying about just trying to get all of her house
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duties done. James was kicked back watching some TV football
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was on, and so they were going about their little
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Sunday like they liked to do. And that's when Lisa
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decided that she needed to go run a few errands,
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including stopping at a children's store which was called Your
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Kids and Mine and She wanted to get a couple
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of things for Devin, so before she left the house,
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she gave her James a kiss, told him her exact
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plans of where she would be going, and even said, look,
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I won't be gone long. I'll be gone a very
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short amount of time. She didn't even bring a diaper bag,
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that's how quickly she planned on being gone. And she said,
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you know, let me get her a little cup of juice,
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maybe a cookie for the road. Every mama knows that
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when your kids are little, you gotta have a snack