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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast. Or I tell stories of real

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crimes with real victims whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning,

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey, y'all, it's kJ

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and I'm back. Heck, I
have a new episode for you now.

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I also have really frizzy hair,
but thank god I have a voice and

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a face for radio. But that's
okay, Jim, Is it okay?

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Can you work in these conditions?
All right? So this case is going

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to take place in Orange, California
in twenty thirteen, and it caught my

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attention because of the people that are
involved in this one. So before I

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start the case, I want to
tell you a little story. I remember

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being at Angola and this was years
ago, obviously a long time ago,

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and I was with an old warden
who's no longer there and we were walking

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through Death Row and I was kind
of being shown around. I was being

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shown the law library and all of
that that they have on death Row.

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And as we were walking through,
I was looking and they had the IDs

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of all of the inmates slid on
this little wall inside of death Row,

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and so we were kind of looking
at those, and I was looking at

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the faces and trying to see.
I don't know if you're like me,

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but I always want to see does
the person look like they did the crime?

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You know, And you know,
when you're walking down on a tear

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in death Row, it always has
like a distinct, distinct smell to me

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whenever, or any tear for that
matter, at angle at least, it

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always smells like pure x. So
if you ever wondered what it smells like

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when you go to Walmart, take
a smell of purex and then add in

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some nasty, humid air, and
that's always what it smelled like. And

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so I just remember the smell and
the and the you know, it was

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kind of it's not dark, but
it's kind of like the colors were gray

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and dark back then, and it
was just kind of a depressing sight.

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But she pulled up an id right
there on the wall, and she showed

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it to me and the fella.
When I was looking at him, I

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was super unimpressed with what he looked
like. I'll never forget that, because

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he just didn't look scary. He
didn't look like what we always imagined in

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our minds when she had told me
the story. And then I compared his

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picture to what he looked like,
and he was kind of like a tiny

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I believe he was an Asian man, but he was a tiny, little

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Asian man. And based on what
I remember from the story she told me,

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I didn't look this one up,
but he had killed his wife or

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his wife to be, and her
family and all of the people that were

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at the house with a shotgun.
And from what I remember, it was

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over an arranged marriage and she didn't
like him, she wanted to be with

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someone else, and long story short, he blew them all away. And

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so why was that interesting to me? And it's because Asians are very very

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low on the crime charts. You
do not see a lot of crime coming

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from Asian people as the perpetrators.
And so matter of fact, I even

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looked it up to prove to you
what I'm saying. Is true. And

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this is based on the violent crime
offender versus victim demographics from twenty twenty two

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on the Uniform Crime Report, and
it sorts it by category. Whites led

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at the top, then blacks,
then unknown, so I guess mixed heritage,

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then American Indians, and last but
not least Asians. And so you

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know, out of the eight hundred
and seventy five thousand cases that are on

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here, only eighty six hundred had
Asians included in them. So to see

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that is always kind of interesting to
me. I mean, think of all

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the true crime things that you watch
on television, there's not a lot of

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Asian people that are on there.
How many times I'm gonna say Asian in

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the next thirty seconds. But this
is why this case really caught my attention

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and I was interested in it.
So I'm gonna start differently on this one.

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Okay, I was surprised to find
this out, But did you know

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that there is an entire website and
support group that is dedicated to roommate dysfunction

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Because I was very surprised when I
found it. So we're going to start

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up this time. I want you
to listen to this nine one one call

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and you may see why I was
bringing that up. Hi, it's not

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an emergency, but I just is
it recording? Is there? What is

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this conversation recording? Yes? Have
the conversation is recorded? Why crying?

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Because I was graide what you're romant? Well, he is like a three

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time belt. He's Korean, so
he's an older gentleman. But we had

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a like discussion tonight and I honestly
felt like and I'm not telling him that

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I'm not comfortable with him anymore.
And apparently he's supposed to be living at

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the end of the month. But
I had PTSD and I was in the

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military, and I did to tour
the rack and I had to tell him

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that I had a gun in the
house, which I do not, and

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I do not have a gun in
the house, but I told him that

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I did. So he was just
because he sounded like he would hurt me,

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like it was weird, and I
was scared for my life. But

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honestly, I have I do have
a Machetti and next to my I always

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have had a Matchetti. And I'm
afraid that I'm like, like honestly hurt

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him and I'm no he he has. That's the problem. He has gained

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doings for me, and that's the
reason why I hate moving because he has

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gotten like feelings for me and I
don't have any feelings for him. And

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he's an older gentleman like he used
to three. You know, I'm thirty

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five. And I told him,
like I would never have like like his

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full name is, I'm just like
colleagues, but that you guys know that

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if something happens and that I like
have some type of self defense or that

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I did it because I was trying
to defend myself. I don't have any

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like automatic weapons or anything like that. But I told him that what you

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can do is like not even think
about because I swear I will kill him.

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I swear I'm scared of him.
Okay, So who was this woman

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calling nine one one and why was
she in so much fear? Well,

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her name was Marabelle Marabell Manriquez Ramos. How do you like that? Rolling

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our ramos to be exact. And
she was born in Mexico, but she

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moved to the US as a baby
and now thirty six years old, and

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she seemed to be a woman of
strength and determination, and she had this

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quest of right to win. And
so I'm telling you I totally identify with

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the personality of miss marabel Now.
She stood just five foot three, one

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hundred and twenty five pounds, so
definitely not a large woman by any stretch

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of the imagination, but a force
to be reckoned with, nonetheless, And

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I find that to be very common
in a lot of great women. It's

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not about how big you are,
right, you can walk softly, but

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you carry a big stick. So
Marabelle was very close with her family,

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specifically her little sister, and her
name was Lucero Gonzalez, and she also

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had a niece named Giselle, and
Lusera and Giselle, they had a tight

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bond with Marabelle, and she really, you know, was dedicated to fostering

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that relationship all throughout her life and
then as an adult. You know,

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family is a bond that she held
close, and her friends were also.

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She looked at them as extended family
in her eyes. So people, and

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you know, I always post pictures
and all of that, so you can

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look at my pictures, but you
know, people were attracted to her not

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only physically because she is a beautiful
woman, absolutely beautiful, but also because

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of her friendliness and the fact that
you know, she was known to be

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so compassionate. She had compassion for
people and when they were in a tough

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spot, she wanted to help them. She was kind, she was thoughtful,

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and she was a woman of determination. From a young age, she

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had her eyes set on becoming none
other than a police officer. And I

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just I'm telling you, me and
this chick would have been the best of

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friends. I just feel it in
my soul. We would have gotten along

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so well. So she was also
a tomboy though, and very competitive.

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She wanted to win. Whenever there
was a competition or anything like that,

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the old girl wanted to win.
But she also had a really girly girl's

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side to her as well, and
she would dress up and she wore makeup

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and she did her hair. Her
favorite colors were pink and white. If

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that tells you anything about her.
She had an elegance and a grace that

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she carried herself in and I just
think so much of her. And she

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was also someone that they described as
someone who would think outside of the box

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to make things happen, and if
anything got in her way, she would

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find a way to improvise, adapt, and to ultimately overcome that obstacle.

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Even as a young woman right out
of high school, she immediately got a

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job and she worked security at a
kmart that was local. But her duty

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to security would extend even further because
she decided to enlist in the United States

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Army in two thousand and one,
and this was right around those events of

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nine to eleven. They happened shortly
thereafter, and she was not shooketh she

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was not bothered. She signed up
and she was on a mission to serve

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her country. And she was a
hero in my eyes in that she didn't

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do just one, but two tours
in Iraq and Afghanistan. So if this

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hasn't built a picture of what this
woman was about, then I don't know

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what will. She was an absolute
asset to our society, an absolute asset.

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So while she was overseas and serving
her country, she and her niece

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would exchange your letters, and she
was trying to help to keep her niece

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grounded and give her good advice.
And these were just good people doing the

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right thing. She was not married, so she didn't have children or a

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husband, so she absolutely invested in
her family. Now by two thousand and

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nine, her stint in the Army
would come to an end and she was

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honorably discharged from the Army, but
she looked forward to continuing her career in

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law enforcement. It just called to
her, and anyone who's listening to this

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podcast that works in law enforcement or
corrections or any type of service job,

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you know what I'm talking about.
It just calls you. You don't even

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think about the pay. It's what
you want to do with your life is

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to serve others, and so she
would continue that. One of the perks

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of joining the army, though,
was that her education would be paid for,

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and she took full advantage of this. She's a smart girl. So

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by the spring of twenty thirteen,
Marabelle had moved to California. She was

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living with her mother, who was
sick, so she was helping to take

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care of her mama, but she
also was maintaining her grades and her schoolwork.

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So she was scheduled to graduate from
cal State Fullerton with a degree in

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criminal justice. And I'm just like
ah, a woman after my own heart,

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right you go, girl. Initially
she wanted her sister to move in

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with her, but that wasn't happening
because her sister lucea Now she did call

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Lucero Lucy, which her friends did
too, so I'll probably refer to her

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as Lucy from here on out.
But her friend, her sister Lucy was

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settled in and had a life of
her own. Her daughter was settled into

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school and had her friends, and
so she didn't want to just uproot her

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daughter, Giselle. So this left
her looking for a roommate. So Marrabel

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did what she knew to do at
the time, and so she put out

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an ad on Craigslist looking for someone
to help share the rent with her.

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And this would be answered by a
man named KC like the letters K and

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C. So he was fifty five
years old, so he was roughly,

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you know, nineteen years Marrabel senior. He was an educated man. He

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did have a small dog, a
little Yorkie that he loved and took care

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of. He was a very normal, low key man who was unmarried and

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had no family or anyone at least
that he was tight with to speak of.

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So when he responded to the ad, he wrote, I'm a Korean

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single professional male and I have a
ten pound dog, a Yorkie. I

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like to keep things clean. I'm
easy going and I get along with most

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people. So sounded pretty promising as
far as someone to having your home.

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They're clean and orderly, and so
he told Marabell, look, I'm going

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to be going on a job interview
soon, so I'm gonna be in town.

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I'd like to swing by the apartment
and take a look at it while

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I'm coming in on this job interview. And she said, no problem.

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They met, it seemed like a
really good fit. He was quiet,

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he was kind of mild, and
he wouldn't interfere with her studies. It

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wouldn't be this young person coming in
partying or someone trying to bring in kids

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and all of that. It was
just a quiet man. So he moved

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in and soon Marabell really took to
that compassionate side I mentioned. And she

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noticed how Casey was lonely. He
didn't have friends that came by and visited.

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He just always seemed to be by
himself with his dog. No visitors

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came, and so Marabel decided to
open up her life a little bit to

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him and said, hey, would
you like to come hang out with me?

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So they would go grocery shopping together. And eventually and rather quickly,

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that would be turned into a really
good friendship, very platonic. He would

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go to you know, like I
said, the store with her. They

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would shop, they would go to
family functions together, and she would always

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invite Casey over if they were going
to a birthday party or going to dinner.

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And the family really loved him too. They took him in under you

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know, under their wing, and
they this friendship blossomed, and the roommate

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blossomed, and so, you know, eighteen months would go by of them

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having this pretty decent friendship and roommate
status until that nine to one one call

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that you heard at the beginning of
this episode came in. That call came

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in on April twenty first of twenty
thirteen. So who was Kse? Okay,

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going a little bit deeper into him, his name was Kwang Chol Joy,

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but he was called Kse for short. And knowing what we know now

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about marybel to this point, it
was kind of shocking that she would say

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that she feared him. He's not
this big, strapping guy, and he's

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very mild and quiet, and he's
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I get that that's relative I'm not
saying that, you know, in your

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fifties is old, but comparatively speaking, okay, he was older than you

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know, some young you know,
punk frat boy or something. And she

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was tough. She knew how to
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So why had her roommate of just
eighteen months put such fear in her?

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And how did he do this to
her? So? Who was this

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KC that shared Marabel's home with her
for the past year and a half?

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Great, I'm glad you asked me
because I have the answers. Aside from

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the general information that I've already covered, there's a little bit more to him

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than what meets the eye. Because
it turns out, and you probably could

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guess this before you even say it, but he was into Marabelle all right.

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The more he got to know her, he started wanting to court her.

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He really wanted to date her.
I mean he was already living with

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her. He wanted to date her, and so much so, oh that

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he even called Marabel's sister and they
had a phone call a few months before

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this nine on one call came in
and he was saying, how look,

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I know Marabel wants to get married, and I know that she wants to

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have kids, and I really want
to be the guy to do that with

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her. I really think we're a
good match, and I would love to

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be the father of her children and
to be her husband. And it was

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strange, it was not well received
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it was first of all, out
of nowhere, and it was absolutely not

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on the radar for Marabelle and totally
unexpected by her sister. So Lucy's kind

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of in a weird spot because she
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is not going to be a well
received you know sentiment, I guess,

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And so she gently explains to Casey, look, you know you're older than

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her. You're almost twenty years older
than her. Y'all are in different phases

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of life life, and you're not
what she's looking for in a partner.

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You know, you're a friend and
you're a good roommate, but you're definitely

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not what she's looking for to settle
down with. And so while you have

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this crush and you're interested in her, I don't really think it's going to

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be a good fit. And I
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speaking, Marabelle had potential suitors,
and she absolutely was not desperate to date

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anybody, nor was she interested in
KC. So Lucy did what all of

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us sisters do is we call our
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right, And so she makes the
phone called to her sister and says,

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look, marabel I don't know if
this is a good idea that you're

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living with this guy and that he's
like fantasizing basically about fathering your children with

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you. He's just a roommate.
I know you're not interested in him.

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Maybe y'all shouldn't live together, you
know, maybe it's going to be too

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weird. And so Marabelle being the
strong and you know, since the sensical

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a word I don't even know,
sensible, sensical things that make you go,

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hm, sensical, guys, is
that real? If it's not,

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I'm making it up sensical. But
she had a head on her shoulders,

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all right, So she decided to
just be direct with Casey, and so

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she had a talk with him and
he admitted, yes, I have a

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crush on you, and you know, I want to be with you.

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But Marabell kind of told him no, that we're not going to do that.

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But then Marabelle called Lucy back and
said, we talked about it.

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It's all going to work out.
There's no worries. He understands that we're

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not going to be like that.
It's it's in no way going to be

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romantic. It is a word.
Be beep, breaking news. Jimithy has

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just come back to me and has
let me know that sensical is a word,

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and I did not, in fact
invent it, So now you know.

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All right, So Casey started,
even though they had the talk,

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Casey started trying to painfully and I
think cringe might be the right word here,

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but cringe fully acts younger. He
tried to like look like he was

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hip and that he was young.
Now, okay, midlife crisis. Sure

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wants to catch her attention. Maybe, but this is where shit starts to

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kind of slide south. He even
went and got plastic surgery to look younger.

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He tightened up his face, okay, to try to get Marabel's attention.

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He tried to look younger. He
also after having this random conversation one

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day and Marabell was mentioning that she
thought tattoos were cool. He actually then

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went and got a Bengal tiger tattooed
on his arm, like this huge Bengal

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tiger to try to impress her.
And I don't know, it's given me,

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you know, vibes, because poor
fella apparently was not picking up that

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it doesn't matter if you get a
face lift or a Bengal tattoo, you're

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not I'm not interested in you.
And so this is kind of funny in

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the middle of this story. But
I used to go get my nails done

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at a certain nail salon and I
absolutely love the guy that would do my

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nails. He told me his name
was Danny, but that was not his

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name. But me and Danny were
friends and every time I would come in,

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even if he was working on someone's
nails, he would stop and say,

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no, I'm taking care of Kelly. And so he had a tattoo

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on his arm, a big one, and it was a woman and I

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said, Danny, who is that
on your arm? He said that's my

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ex wife and I said, dang, that sucks, she's your ex wife.

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And he goes, you married,
Kelly. I said, yes,

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I'm married, and he said do
you want to be married? And I

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said, yes, I want to
be married. He said, well,

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if he's ever mean to you,
don't worry. Danny'll take care of you

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and I'll put your face on my
other arm. I said, well,

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that is dually noted Danny. So
Danny was cool, though there's no hate

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on Danny. Danny was my boy
and he did good nails. So this

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one's for you, Danny, all
right. So but poor KC. He

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was going the wrong way. He
was getting stuff done that just wasn't helping

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out, and so on the outside
it does sound a bit pitiful when you,

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you know, just look at it
from a far, you're like to

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hang this poor guy was ate up
with it. He wanted to be with

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her. But the more you know, and the more you hear that phone

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call, it rings just a little
bit more sinister that a woman of that

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caliber would be afraid of him.
Right, So, for example, he

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all of a sudden stopped paying rent
to her. And I was dumbfounded that

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someone would think that this would even
fly, right, that, oh,

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you're just not going to pay rent
because you're mad, because I don't want

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to date you. And so this
sparked an argument about the whole living situation.

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And so my mind also went to, Okay, you can't afford to

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pay rent, but you can afford
a facelift, Like what is that about?

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How did you manage that one?
And then you know, Marrabelle was

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just wanting his portion of the rent
or he had to leave. That's all

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it was. She wasn't trying to
fight with him. She just wanted to

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pay his rent. And so you
know, like for it's to change weren't

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working, and so now he was
just stamping his feet and he was angry,

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you know that that she wouldn't date
him. Now, remember how I

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mentioned a minute ago that there was
actually a website about roommate abuse. There

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is, and so I was wondering
about the situation. I'm like, how

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I wonder how often that really does
happen? And so it's called roommate abuse

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dot org. It's a real thing, and you know, it's so common

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that the common things that center around
roommates not getting along is when one tries

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to you know, be abusive,
and it usually centers on power control and

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consent and so there's they break it
down into you know, physical abuse,

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which this wasn't at that at point, but you know, trying to control

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access to the space, locking people
out, throwing things, getting mad.

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The other one was emotional, like
refusing to talk to your roommate because you're

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angry, or you know, gaslighting
them, saying that you know, you're

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being overly sensitive, or you're trivializing
this and you're just being an idiot.

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But the other one was economic and
financial abuse. And this really seemed to

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fit the bill for what KC was
doing because their bullet points are that you're

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refusing to pay rent unless you do
something or behave in a certain way.

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That's absolutely abuse of somebody. And
you know, the other aspect was like

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making them pay more rent than they're
supposed to pay, but in this instance,

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he's wanting to live there and not
pay his portion of the rent.

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And then it turns into threats or
insulting and name calling and all of that.

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Well, it did get to that
level. Matter of fact, before

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that nine to one one call was
made, they had gotten into these arguments,

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and after the nine one one call
was made, an officer had been

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dispatched out to the apartment, and
that officer even spoke face to face with

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KC. And Casey said, look, I'm moving out at the end of

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April, Okay, I'll be gone. He seemed to calm down for the

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moment at least about this whole squabble. But about ten days after that nine

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to one one call was made,
it was on May second, marabel texted

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a friend of hers. His name
was Paul Lopez, and she texted him

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because she was in a very tense
argument with KC over not paying the rent.

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She had bills to pay and he
needed to pay his half, and

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things got so heated that Paul called
Marabelle and he's like, you know,

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she was overly frightened about this and
it was just escalating and escalating, and

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so she did answer the phone,
and he said, put me on speakerphone,

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and so she did, and he
was kind of listening to the argument

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go back and forth. He was
trying to kind of monitor the argument.

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But Paul wasn't playing games with KC. And he finally yelled out over the

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speakerphone, Look, you either leave
or I'm gonna show up and I'm gonna

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put your ass out. You decide, man, demand you need me to

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come do it for you, or
you can do it on your own.

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And I'm kind of like her like
beating my chest. I'm like, yeah,

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boy, get it, Paul,
right, don't let this fool treat

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your friend this way. Now,
Casey never said anything back directly to him.

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He just mumbled something kind of under
his breath in the background, And

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so Marrabelle told Paul, all right, thank you. You know, I

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think he got the point. He's
going to get out of here and I'll

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see you tomorrow at the softball game. That was a date that they had

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already set up and they were going
to meet and have fun at this at

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this softball game. So they ended
the call, and then later that evening,

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Paul texted her a few times,
but Marabell never got back to him.

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She must have fallen asleep or whatever. She was caught up doing things.

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So Casey ended up calling Marabel's sister
Lucy the next Friday, that following

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day that Friday, and says,
look, we had a fight and now

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I'm worried though, because Marabell never
came home. She left, but she

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never came back. Well, knowing
what Lucy knew, she was like,

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whatever, dude, you know stop, you know you're just being aggravating.

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You're obsessive and you're annoyed because she's
not there and you just want to know

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where she is. But she ends
up getting another phone call from another family

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member. It was a cousin,
I believe that said, look, marabel

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never showed up to the softball game, and we all expected her to be

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here. So even Paul the friend, was like, no, she told

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me she was coming to this softball
game, and she wouldn't have just blown

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us off like that. She wouldn't
that type of woman. So they all

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rush over to Marrabelle's apartment, including
Paul, for a welfare check. So

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Casey may have been a smaller man, but something that he always bragged about

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was the fact that he had a
black belt in martial arts, and no

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one really knew what he was capable
of. We never really do, y'all.

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We never know what someone's actually capable
of until you see it. I

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mean, hell, you see women
lift cars off of their kids with these

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extreme bouts of adrenaline whenever they think
their kids are going to die. People

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are capable of things, even if
they don't come across as looking like they

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are. So they spent hours trying
to locate a working key to gain entry

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to the apartment, but that never
happened. I mean, they even called

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k C to be like, dude, come let us in, but he

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wasn't answering the phone. So finally
they just breached the door. They kicked

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some bitch open to try to come
figure out what was going on. And

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the lights were on and they go
into Marrabelle's room. Her bed is not

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made and it's actually a mess,
which is not typical of her. And

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you know, if you have any
military about you, she was making the

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bed. There was order in her
bedroom, and her bed was kind of

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in disarray, and inside those rooms
of the apartment, police officers went through

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it. They went into her bedroom
where the bed was even messed up,

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but they found no obvious signs of
a struggle or that a fight had taken

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place other than the disrupted sheets on
the bed. There wasn't blood or you

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know, broken items or anything like
that. So they did a thorough search

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of her room and what they would
find were some gray and white polka dot

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pajamas. But it wasn't like they
were dirty on the floor. They were

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actually folded nicely folded, and they
were placed in her closet. The reason

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that these poked dott pajamas were important
to detectives was because they discovered bloodstains on

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the pajamas, not huge ones,
but some droplets on the pajamas. Also

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concerning was the fact that her car
was parked at the complex. Her keys,

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her license, and her purse,
along with her cell phone. Those

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were all missing, but the car
was still there. Why would the keys

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be gone and the car still be
there, right, That just doesn't make

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sense. And nobody had claimed that
they had picked her up or come and

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got her, so that was strange. Also, you don't bleed on your

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pajamas and then fold them and put
them in the closet. I just don't

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believe she would have done that either, based on the way that this woman

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lived her life. So police and
family were trying to call Casey, wondering

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00:28:56.440 --> 00:28:59.759
where he was, but there was
no answer, so trying to figure things

409
00:28:59.759 --> 00:29:03.839
out. O. Police are and
family are kind of going through the apartment

410
00:29:03.200 --> 00:29:08.720
and they're looking around when case randomly
shows up and Lucy, the sister,

411
00:29:08.799 --> 00:29:14.799
sees him standing in a crowd outside
of the apartment and police were like,

412
00:29:15.039 --> 00:29:17.759
you know, where have you been? Why why are you just now?

413
00:29:17.759 --> 00:29:19.559
Why are you standing outside of the
apartment. Why haven't you gotten in contact

414
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:22.319
with us since you showed up and
saw it all taped off for whatever and

415
00:29:22.359 --> 00:29:27.759
we're looking for Mara Belt And he
says, oh, well, I've just

416
00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.400
been in my car. I have
some binoculars in the car, and so

417
00:29:30.599 --> 00:29:36.279
I've just been sitting there and I
was just watching the whole time, and

418
00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:41.319
I just decided to get out and
come check things out. Because that's normal,

419
00:29:41.839 --> 00:29:45.480
right, That's normal police and family
show up to your house. You

420
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:48.599
just happen to be parked outside looking
through binoculars and watching them struggle to get

421
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:52.000
in the house for a long time
when you have keys to the apartment,

422
00:29:52.200 --> 00:29:56.680
but you just sit and you watch. Okay. Well, police were irritated

423
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.880
right that he had watched them the
whole time and did not nothing. Instead,

424
00:30:02.759 --> 00:30:06.319
he actually had done something. What
he had done was he had called

425
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:08.680
the police, like called nine one
one, called the police dispatcher to say

426
00:30:08.839 --> 00:30:12.640
he didn't want to go up to
the apartment because police were there and he

427
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:17.720
was just really freaked out. So
he was waiting outside with his binoculars to

428
00:30:17.839 --> 00:30:22.039
see, you know, what they
were doing. So you didn't get out,

429
00:30:22.079 --> 00:30:25.119
You didn't have any questions. You
weren't like, oh my god,

430
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.200
what's going on really, because that's
like how to get away with murder?

431
00:30:27.240 --> 00:30:30.119
One oh one? At least at
least it sounds like that, right,

432
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.799
Oh I was just was scared.
Whatever, dude, that's weird. It

433
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:37.000
sounds like you're trying to distance yourself
from from the crime scene. So,

434
00:30:37.440 --> 00:30:41.880
while Casey's standing there, he then
randomly mentions to one of Marabella's cousins,

435
00:30:41.960 --> 00:30:45.720
Oh, yeah, I saw her
leave with a male, this guy.

436
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.200
So then they're like, well,
who was it? You know, when

437
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:49.160
was it? When did you see
all this? But he kind of just

438
00:30:49.279 --> 00:30:53.960
ignored the further questions and didn't really
address them whenever people were asking him,

439
00:30:55.200 --> 00:30:57.240
we'll tell us about it. So
an officer finally approached him and was like,

440
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:03.640
look, why did you fail to
provide any assistance whatsoever? And all

441
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:06.480
he said was that, oh,
well, I just thought that something might

442
00:31:06.519 --> 00:31:10.599
be seriously wrong. Well, no, shit, Sherlock, something seriously wrong

443
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:14.240
with you too, dude, Like
what are you doing? What are you

444
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:18.519
talking about? So he admitted that
he had been sitting there watching her apartment

445
00:31:18.559 --> 00:31:22.000
with or their apartment with the binoculars, and that he had ducked into the

446
00:31:22.039 --> 00:31:25.359
back seat his exact words, whenever
the police had arrived, so they wouldn't

447
00:31:25.400 --> 00:31:27.359
see him. So police brought him
down to the station, and they wanted

448
00:31:27.400 --> 00:31:30.240
to ask him some questions about where
have you been, what have you been

449
00:31:30.240 --> 00:31:34.079
doing? La ti da. So
when he gets to the station and they

450
00:31:34.119 --> 00:31:37.559
start questioning him, all of a
sudden, he's acting like, you're super

451
00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:42.319
confused, almost like he didn't understand
very well what they were saying. And

452
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:47.960
you know, by his name,
I'm sure you've picked up on the fact

453
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:52.200
that he's Korean and his English was
very broken, and he had this very

454
00:31:52.240 --> 00:31:56.160
thick, broken English accent. And
I want you to know right now,

455
00:31:56.200 --> 00:31:59.000
I'm not hating Okay, so slow
your role if you think I am.

456
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.480
I'm not hating it all. What
I'm hating on is the fact that people

457
00:32:01.519 --> 00:32:07.039
who knew him, who heard him
speaking like that, were weirded the hell

458
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.440
out because, y'all, he had
lived in the US since he was a

459
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:17.160
child. He did not have that
thick broken English accent, and he spoke

460
00:32:17.279 --> 00:32:21.559
good English, but now all of
a sudden, he was super foreign sounding,

461
00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:24.640
and it was like, Okay,
what is that about? Why does

462
00:32:24.640 --> 00:32:28.440
he sound like this, that's not
the case we're used to speaking with.

463
00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.799
So during the interview, you know, and they're asking all these questions,

464
00:32:31.799 --> 00:32:37.359
a detective looks and notices that he's
got a scratch on his face. So

465
00:32:37.480 --> 00:32:40.039
he's obviously got some questions. And
as they start looking at him, there

466
00:32:40.039 --> 00:32:45.519
are scratches all over his body and
they're fresh scratches. So the one that

467
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:50.839
was of special interest was this large, obviously recently inflicted scratch, and it

468
00:32:50.920 --> 00:32:54.839
was from his hairline down to his
eyebrow, so it was up here.

469
00:32:55.400 --> 00:33:04.000
And according to KC that wasn't actually
a scratch, that was a resulted injury

470
00:33:04.039 --> 00:33:09.079
from the twelve thousand dollars cosmetic facelift
that he had undergone to appear younger because

471
00:33:09.200 --> 00:33:15.200
Marabel wanted him to look younger.
Right, you're that into your roommate that

472
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.279
you want him to look younger.
Okay, sure, I wouldn't care what

473
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:21.440
my roommate looked like. You pay
the rent as long as the benjamin's right

474
00:33:21.519 --> 00:33:23.319
or on the bills. That's the
face I'm worried about, not your face.

475
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:28.640
But he said he was doing it
for Marabel. Now, further looking,

476
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:31.880
they found that his left arm had
a bunch of scratches on it and

477
00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:39.599
puncture wounds. There were scratches on
the inside of his right wrist, there

478
00:33:39.640 --> 00:33:44.039
was a scratch on the left side
of his neck, and there were four

479
00:33:44.200 --> 00:33:52.000
parallel scratches on his right trisap.
So when specifically asked about the cause of

480
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.319
those four on his trisap, he
said, oh, yeah, I got

481
00:33:55.319 --> 00:33:59.920
those scratches while I was pulling fishing
lines from these bushes in the park.

482
00:34:00.920 --> 00:34:04.480
So the police are like, okay, whatever, But so they go out

483
00:34:04.480 --> 00:34:07.360
there obviously to check on it,
and sure shooting, did they not find

484
00:34:07.400 --> 00:34:13.800
these huge thorns in these bushes when
they went and checked And it actually was

485
00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:19.360
plausible. Now I know me and
you talking right now that this stinks of

486
00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.320
lies, but the thorn's excuse was
plausible. And you have to remember always

487
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:27.559
when you're thinking about cases like this, plausible deniability is what people use.

488
00:34:28.119 --> 00:34:30.599
And it could be argued in court
that he did that, so they had

489
00:34:30.639 --> 00:34:35.880
to keep digging. Now, I
want you to do something for me real

490
00:34:35.960 --> 00:34:38.320
quick. You've got your hands right, hopefully they're on the steering wheel if

491
00:34:38.320 --> 00:34:42.480
you're driving, but if you're at
home, grab your hand real quick or

492
00:34:42.480 --> 00:34:45.400
look to flip your hand over,
palm up, and then binge your four

493
00:34:45.480 --> 00:34:50.000
fingers in, not your thumb,
just your other four fingers. And wouldn't

494
00:34:50.039 --> 00:34:54.159
you know that that is exactly the
positioning of these four scratches that are down

495
00:34:54.239 --> 00:34:59.119
the bicep. When you look at
them, it is perfect for four fingers.

496
00:34:59.480 --> 00:35:01.360
And I am. And if you
were grabbing someone trying to protect yourself,

497
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:04.800
and you put your hands out and
you grabbed their arms, right,

498
00:35:05.159 --> 00:35:07.920
that is how your hands would scratch
down the bicep, straight down into the

499
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:13.280
bicep. So sure the thorns could
have done it, but they sure do

500
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.440
also look exactly like I would imagine
if you were trying to defend yourself against

501
00:35:16.480 --> 00:35:21.840
someone attacking you. So Casey then
also adds this information in that look,

502
00:35:21.920 --> 00:35:24.800
I buy our groceries together, and
I pay some of her expenses. And

503
00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.920
so the police are like, oh, okay, so you kind of take

504
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.199
care of her, he says,
yeah, But then he admitted that his

505
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:37.920
only source of income was an unemployment
check. It just doesn't ring true if

506
00:35:37.920 --> 00:35:43.519
you only gather unemployment and you're getting
facelifts and doing all this other stuff.

507
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:46.880
I don't think you're taking care of
this woman who has a job and takes

508
00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:52.559
care of herself right. So they
say, when was the last time that

509
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:53.599
you saw her? And he says, well, I saw her in the

510
00:35:53.599 --> 00:35:59.400
evening of May second, because he
had He says, I overstayed as long

511
00:35:59.440 --> 00:36:02.159
as I was suppose and I was
supposed to move out, but I hadn't

512
00:36:02.199 --> 00:36:06.559
quite gotten out yet. He said
he wanted to stay two more weeks,

513
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:10.960
but he was refusing to pay that
amount in advance, so he did say.

514
00:36:12.039 --> 00:36:14.480
Yes, we got an argument about
it, and she put her friend

515
00:36:14.519 --> 00:36:17.559
Paul on speakerphone, and then whenever
he started getting mad, I just went

516
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:22.400
to my bedroom. I just went
away and went to my bedroom, which

517
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.800
aligned with what Paul kind of had
said too. So what was she wearing

518
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.000
the last time you saw her,
casey? And he said, well,

519
00:36:28.039 --> 00:36:30.440
the last time I saw her,
she was wearing her gray polka dot pajamas.

520
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:35.400
Okay, well then what so he
says, well, then I left

521
00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.960
for an hour to go, you
know, do something, and then when

522
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.840
I came back, she was gone. And then I left again, and

523
00:36:42.880 --> 00:36:44.719
they said, well, why did
you leave again? And he says,

524
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:47.480
well, I went for a drive
because I was frustrated the whole situation frustrated

525
00:36:47.519 --> 00:36:51.400
me. I wanted to get out
and go clear my head and go drive

526
00:36:51.440 --> 00:36:54.480
around. And he said when he
returned that her bedroom light was on and

527
00:36:54.559 --> 00:36:59.679
one of her larger purses was there, but not her smaller purse, not

528
00:36:59.800 --> 00:37:02.920
her keys, or her cell phone. So he knows that all of that

529
00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:07.880
stuff is missing, even though he
was too afraid to go up and acknowledge

530
00:37:07.880 --> 00:37:10.480
that there might be a problem at
the apartment when the police got there.

531
00:37:12.480 --> 00:37:14.519
So what do you think, you
know, what do you think could have

532
00:37:14.519 --> 00:37:16.199
happened to her case? If she's
not here and you don't know where she

533
00:37:16.239 --> 00:37:20.960
is, what do you think could
have happened? And I'll tell you this

534
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.079
real quick. If I had no
idea, if Jimithy went missing, okay,

535
00:37:23.119 --> 00:37:24.960
and then all of a sudden I
got brought to a police station I

536
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:28.239
was being questioned about it. If
I had no clue, I'd be like,

537
00:37:28.239 --> 00:37:30.760
I don't know where the hell he
is. Check his phone, call

538
00:37:30.840 --> 00:37:32.920
his wife, go check his business. I don't know where he is.

539
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:37.679
Why would I know where he is? But that's because I would be innocent.

540
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:38.360
Jim, I'm not going to kill
you, Just so you know.

541
00:37:38.519 --> 00:37:40.440
For the record, I'm putting it
on tape. You have it right here.

542
00:37:40.519 --> 00:37:45.280
I'm not going to kill you.
But that's not what Case said.

543
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:51.039
Case's response was that while she dates
frequently and she's always got dates lined up.

544
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:57.679
Okay, so what about that,
he says, Well, I don't

545
00:37:57.719 --> 00:37:59.800
know, maybe she was out with
another guy or something. He says,

546
00:37:59.840 --> 00:38:01.719
I called the police the next morning
when she didn't return home because I care

547
00:38:01.719 --> 00:38:05.519
about her. But I mean,
I don't know what happened to her.

548
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.599
And so obviously this story is sketchy
as hell. And Casey remained a suspect

549
00:38:08.599 --> 00:38:13.840
in her disappearance, but the police
had to release him. I mean,

550
00:38:14.760 --> 00:38:16.360
just because she's missing doesn't mean that
she's gone. And we've talked about this

551
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:21.559
a million times. You're allowed to
disappear as an adult, You're allowed to

552
00:38:21.599 --> 00:38:24.800
do that. So unless she returned
or a body was found, I mean,

553
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:31.000
they were pretty much had nothing to
do but watch and wait. So

554
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:35.880
friends weren't gonna wait. They wanted
people to know, Look, she's missing.

555
00:38:35.960 --> 00:38:37.599
This is not someone who would obsconde
like this. Help us find her,

556
00:38:37.639 --> 00:38:40.519
and so they decided to hold a
vigil for her, and wouldn't you

557
00:38:40.519 --> 00:38:44.760
know, Casey did show up.
He attended but he was kind of weird

558
00:38:44.760 --> 00:38:46.360
and when family would ask him questions, he'd say, look, I'm just

559
00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:50.679
so sad I miss my friend,
you know, and he kind of sat

560
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.039
off by himself and was just very
sad about it. So, yeah,

561
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:59.119
you know, he was acting kind
of strange about the same time these online

562
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:05.079
posts were being and Casey was actively
speaking in these posts, right, They're

563
00:39:05.079 --> 00:39:07.199
like where could she be? What
could have happened to her? And people

564
00:39:07.199 --> 00:39:08.719
are saying, oh, well,
I saw we're here or there or maybe

565
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:14.039
this, maybe that. And the
thing was he was still doing that broke

566
00:39:14.239 --> 00:39:15.880
you know, that broken English thing
when he was talking to the police,

567
00:39:15.880 --> 00:39:22.000
But strangely, whenever he was you
know, writing and speaking online, his

568
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:27.920
English was much improved, and he
even correctly spoke about Marabelle, except for

569
00:39:27.960 --> 00:39:31.280
the fact that he always was speaking
to her in past tense. Even people

570
00:39:31.360 --> 00:39:35.400
in the threads that were commenting were
like, why are you talking about her

571
00:39:35.440 --> 00:39:37.840
in the past. She's not gone. We just we need to find her.

572
00:39:38.519 --> 00:39:40.960
And people really started pointing it out, going, this is weird,

573
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:45.079
bro, Like you're saying like she's
gone forever. You're talking about her like

574
00:39:45.119 --> 00:39:49.039
she's no more. Well, the
thing is the police may not be have

575
00:39:49.039 --> 00:39:52.519
been in his face, but they
were always watching. And when something like

576
00:39:52.559 --> 00:39:57.800
this happens, if you're gonna go
acting weird and your roommate's gonna go missing,

577
00:39:58.480 --> 00:40:00.760
keep brouh, keep your head on
a swibbles, I can tell you

578
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:05.320
because the police are watching. And
so they interviewed everyone in Marabelle's circle,

579
00:40:05.800 --> 00:40:10.360
and every single person that they interviewed
had a rock solid alibi. I mean

580
00:40:10.360 --> 00:40:14.519
not even a question about where these
people would have been. It was rock

581
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.719
solid. Casey was the only one
that didn't have something that they could see

582
00:40:17.760 --> 00:40:22.639
him on camera or a phone call
or something like that to verify it.

583
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:24.440
So police wanted to look a little
bit more into him and see, Okay,

584
00:40:24.480 --> 00:40:28.199
what is this guy really about?
What do we not know? What

585
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:30.440
are we missing? And they found
out that he was originally from Tennessee,

586
00:40:31.039 --> 00:40:34.440
that he had lost his job,
that's why he had come and done the

587
00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:39.000
interview. His parents had died,
And when his parents died, he got

588
00:40:39.039 --> 00:40:45.079
into a huge argument with his sister
over what he wanted out of the inheritance.

589
00:40:45.400 --> 00:40:49.719
Now it wasn't just to squabble either. It got so bad that his

590
00:40:49.800 --> 00:40:53.360
own sister had to take out a
restraining order against him. She was so

591
00:40:53.559 --> 00:41:00.920
afraid of him because she said he
had a monster temper. That's the first

592
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:05.519
time anyone had heard this other than
that mild mannered, quiet, kind,

593
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:10.039
jovial, you know, simple guy. But the sister was like, you

594
00:41:10.199 --> 00:41:14.519
don't know him, like I know
him. I had to protect myself with

595
00:41:14.559 --> 00:41:20.559
a restraining order. I am so
afraid of him. That became a red

596
00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:23.880
flag. And previously, whenever police
were going through the apartment, they had

597
00:41:23.920 --> 00:41:30.599
found an external hard drive that they
had seized. Now, what was interesting

598
00:41:30.599 --> 00:41:34.199
about that external hard drive was that
Casey contacted them and said he wanted it

599
00:41:34.280 --> 00:41:37.079
back. So the police are like, bro, you know you don't have

600
00:41:37.119 --> 00:41:40.639
a computer, So why do you
need this hard drive? Why would you

601
00:41:40.639 --> 00:41:43.880
need one if you don't have a
computer. And that's when he was like,

602
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:47.199
oh, well, I just go
to the public library and I use

603
00:41:47.280 --> 00:41:57.239
their computers. Oh bingo. Police
said to themselvesselves, we need to be

604
00:41:57.320 --> 00:42:01.199
at that library. I think there's
something there shown uf they put a twenty

605
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:06.800
four hour surveillance team on ol KC
to see what he was doing. He

606
00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:10.159
goes to the library, shocker,
right, he walks in, he checks

607
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:17.679
out a laptop but little did he
know that the warrant had already been signed

608
00:42:17.719 --> 00:42:22.960
by a judge to monitor his online
activities, so the police were one step

609
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:27.039
ahead of him. So this is
so cool, Like to me, this

610
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:30.000
was like something out of a movie. So cool. So they had a

611
00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:36.760
surveillance team that was surveilling literally what
he was doing live time, and so

612
00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.760
they would radio back to the other
team and say, Okay, he's now

613
00:42:42.239 --> 00:42:45.199
you know, doing this, He's
gone on this search engine. He's doing

614
00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:45.920
this, And I was like,
bro, that is sick. I loved

615
00:42:45.960 --> 00:42:50.079
it. I thought that was really
cool. So they had remote intel that

616
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:53.440
was gathered from inside the library and
they monitored every move that he made,

617
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:55.719
and then, like I said,
they would radio it back in so the

618
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:59.320
search is right like they'd say,
like right now, Okay, he's looking

619
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:02.719
at a Facebook dedicated to finding Marabel
because the family had made one find Marabel

620
00:43:02.760 --> 00:43:07.800
and so he went to it.
Then, because people are so fucking stupid,

621
00:43:08.519 --> 00:43:12.559
Not that I want you to get
away with anything, but the next

622
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:15.559
search, I mean, like,
don't be a dummy one to oh one.

623
00:43:15.599 --> 00:43:21.960
He then searched how long for a
body to decay? That was his

624
00:43:22.000 --> 00:43:25.400
next search. I swear to you, I cannot even understand people, but

625
00:43:25.679 --> 00:43:30.039
how long for a body to decay? But that actually wasn't even the worst

626
00:43:30.039 --> 00:43:30.880
part, right, because I mean
he could have been doing that to say,

627
00:43:30.920 --> 00:43:34.679
Okay, she's been gone this many
days, like what's the chances of

628
00:43:34.679 --> 00:43:37.400
finding her? But the next thing
he did was he cleared his browser history.

629
00:43:38.199 --> 00:43:43.599
Why would you clear your browser history? Right? So that's kind of

630
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.480
stupid anyway, because he doesn't even
have administrator rights to fully delete it anyway.

631
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.559
I mean, he's borrowing a computer. So but again, she's been

632
00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:57.079
missing twelve days, no calls,
no pictures, no text, no posts,

633
00:43:57.440 --> 00:44:02.119
no nothing. So what had happened
was the family had planned what they

634
00:44:02.119 --> 00:44:08.199
called an awareness walk, and so
a forensic examination that continued on what Casey

635
00:44:08.320 --> 00:44:15.079
was doing on the computer then showed
that he directed his browser to a mapping

636
00:44:15.119 --> 00:44:22.159
website where he searched, specifically for
Peters Canyon in Orange County. Once he

637
00:44:22.320 --> 00:44:27.320
searched that, he then switched to
the map where the map was he switched

638
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:30.320
it from the map to a satellite
view, and they're like, what is

639
00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:34.000
he doing? Is what's going on
here? And guess what he did?

640
00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:38.719
He zoomed in closer and closer and
closer, and he zoomed in on a

641
00:44:38.760 --> 00:44:49.079
particular area and then even closer to
a very particular tree Santiago Canyon Road and

642
00:44:49.239 --> 00:44:54.000
Jackson Ranch Road. It was approximately
seven and a half miles away from where

643
00:44:54.000 --> 00:45:00.920
the upcoming awareness walk was. So
after he zoomed in on the map and

644
00:45:00.960 --> 00:45:04.920
he looked at the tree, he
then went back and forth between the walk

645
00:45:04.960 --> 00:45:08.719
location like where they would be walking, and that tree area, and then

646
00:45:09.079 --> 00:45:14.880
he promptly cleared his search from his
internet browsing history again. And that's what

647
00:45:14.920 --> 00:45:19.159
we call a freaking clue, a
red flag at that. So police didn't

648
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:22.079
stop, they didn't pass go,
they didn't collect two hundred dollars. They

649
00:45:22.079 --> 00:45:23.800
immediately got in their car and they
said, we're going to that tree.

650
00:45:24.760 --> 00:45:29.039
So they headed straight out there,
and wouldn't you know, they walked it

651
00:45:29.079 --> 00:45:34.840
off and in less than forty five
minutes they found a body. I know,

652
00:45:36.079 --> 00:45:38.880
shocking, aren't you shocked? That
he would zoom in on a tree

653
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:43.920
and then look at the walk and
the police would go to the tree and

654
00:45:43.960 --> 00:45:46.559
there's the body, like, what
are you doing, bro? What are

655
00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:51.519
you doing? What are the chances? Well, the chances are one hundred

656
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:58.639
percent. Marabelle's upper body was still
covered and she was partially buried by rocks

657
00:45:58.679 --> 00:46:04.639
and debris. But when they found
her, her leg bones were protruding from

658
00:46:04.679 --> 00:46:09.280
the ground and her feet were missing. So this was odd, Right where

659
00:46:09.320 --> 00:46:14.920
did her feet go? But a
pathologist determined that her feet were there when

660
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:19.320
she was buried, but animals had
eaten her feet and part of her body,

661
00:46:19.639 --> 00:46:22.920
but they could not ascertain her cause
of death. She was dead before

662
00:46:24.039 --> 00:46:29.760
you know, she was put in
the ground and they ate her too long,

663
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:31.519
had gone by too much decaying.
She was an active decay at that

664
00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:36.199
point. And so I did a
little research about the wildlife area, the

665
00:46:36.239 --> 00:46:38.320
wildlife in that area at least,
and it says that they have bobcats and

666
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:44.119
coyotes and possums and raccoons and mountain
lions and all of that. So I

667
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.800
think you get the picture of what
happened to her as far as after she

668
00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:54.559
was buried and once she was uncovered, this was important. Investigators found that

669
00:46:54.719 --> 00:47:04.400
clumps of her hair were pulled out
from the scalp. So something police officers

670
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:07.440
know and my female you know,
people in the military and female specifically,

671
00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.079
is that our hair should be pulled
back at all times. The reason we

672
00:47:12.079 --> 00:47:15.599
pull our hair back is because if
someone controls your hair, they control your

673
00:47:15.639 --> 00:47:16.800
head at least in policing, right, you don't want to have this big,

674
00:47:17.559 --> 00:47:21.360
you know, down hair that someone
can grab a hold of and then

675
00:47:21.360 --> 00:47:25.480
they control your head. So with
this finding, police wanted to go talk

676
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.079
to Casey about it. So they
go straight to the house. Well what

677
00:47:30.159 --> 00:47:35.880
happened. What happened was they figured
that he was watching the coverage on television

678
00:47:35.960 --> 00:47:38.000
and kind of realized that things were
happening. Because when the police got there

679
00:47:38.039 --> 00:47:42.000
and they knocked on the door,
he jumped out of the window and he

680
00:47:42.079 --> 00:47:45.960
took off running. You know what
innocent people do. But the joke was

681
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:50.239
on him because they had drones overhead. They could see everything that he was

682
00:47:50.239 --> 00:47:53.320
doing. And they caught him and
they put him in handcuffs. And what

683
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.679
did he say when they put him
in cuffs? What do you think he

684
00:47:55.760 --> 00:48:00.000
said? Did he say, I
am innocent, I didn't do it.

685
00:48:00.679 --> 00:48:02.280
No, fam, that's not what
he said. He said, you better

686
00:48:02.320 --> 00:48:07.039
have some good evidence. That sounds
innocent too, right, you better have

687
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:12.159
some good evidence. Well maybe they
just did, because not only had they

688
00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:15.880
found Marabel's body, exactly by the
tree that the dumb ass zoomed in on.

689
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:22.320
But they found Marabel's military dog tags, you know, her personal dog

690
00:48:22.400 --> 00:48:28.360
tags in his clothing. That didn't
help him much. You literally, you

691
00:48:28.360 --> 00:48:31.079
you literally have what evidence do you
have to find me guilty of murder on

692
00:48:31.199 --> 00:48:37.440
literally her id on you? You
know what I'm saying. Ridiculous. So

693
00:48:37.519 --> 00:48:40.320
he was arrested and he was charged
with the murder of Marabell. So what

694
00:48:40.360 --> 00:48:45.639
de detectives feel like happened? They
feel like she was smothered because there was

695
00:48:45.760 --> 00:48:49.400
no evidence of a fight back at
the crime scene. And she was fit,

696
00:48:49.480 --> 00:48:52.719
y'all. She was a badass.
Marabelle was a badass. She would

697
00:48:52.719 --> 00:48:57.199
have fought unless he got to jump
on her, like I don't know.

698
00:48:57.440 --> 00:49:00.960
Maybe she was sleeping and she was
smothered with a pillow in that messy bed

699
00:49:01.000 --> 00:49:05.960
where she was, you know,
fighting back, trying to breathe. She

700
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:07.880
would have never left that bed that
way. Why was the bed messed up?

701
00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:12.519
Because she was smothered. And you
remember those folded pjs in her closet.

702
00:49:13.360 --> 00:49:15.960
You don't fold dirty pjs and put
them in your closet, not if

703
00:49:15.960 --> 00:49:17.679
you're Marabelle and I'm standing on that
never met her a day of my life.

704
00:49:17.719 --> 00:49:21.960
I'm standing on that she would not
have done that, and you also

705
00:49:22.000 --> 00:49:23.679
wouldn't, like I say, I
wouldn't have left your bed messy. Oh

706
00:49:23.719 --> 00:49:27.159
and what about the drops of blood
on them? Well, guess what.

707
00:49:27.800 --> 00:49:31.079
You can research this on your own. But I even called a detective homicide

708
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.280
detective friend of mine as well as
a doctor that's in my family, and

709
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:44.119
I consulted with them and they told
me that absolutely that a nosebleed scenario would

710
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:47.800
make physiological and anatomical sense because of
the pressure in her upper airway as being

711
00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:52.719
smothered. You wouldn't necessarily have found
the petikia in the eyes because of all

712
00:49:52.760 --> 00:49:55.440
the decomp right in the extreme heat. But that blood that was on her

713
00:49:55.480 --> 00:50:01.880
pajamas makes sense that it could drip
when after being sm And something else I'd

714
00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:06.800
like to point out or add is
that I researched Peters Canyon and on the

715
00:50:06.880 --> 00:50:08.159
sign, you know what it says, and this is not mentioned anywhere,

716
00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.480
but I, you know, I
want to go find out. The Peters

717
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:16.880
Canyon Regional Park closes at sunset and
then it says the trails may be closed

718
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:22.679
for up to three days following rain. So I don't know what the weather

719
00:50:22.679 --> 00:50:24.760
conditions were, but that would have
been pretty convenient, right if they won't

720
00:50:24.800 --> 00:50:28.679
let people walk the trails for three
days? You know how he made two

721
00:50:28.760 --> 00:50:30.360
trips. He said, he left, he came back, she was gone,

722
00:50:30.400 --> 00:50:34.400
Then he left because he was frustrated, and he drove again for a

723
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.400
little while. What if he went
and scouted out the area, he saw

724
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:40.360
the sign they closed at sunset,
That's the perfect time to come back and

725
00:50:40.400 --> 00:50:45.199
bring the body, and then nobody's
going to be on the trail because he

726
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:47.239
knows what time nobody's going to be
there. That's when he went back and

727
00:50:47.239 --> 00:50:51.000
got her body. And that's whenever
he brought her and he buried or under

728
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:53.320
the tree. It just makes sense
that he that he could do that and

729
00:50:53.360 --> 00:50:57.079
not be seen. But why did
he do it? Well? In the

730
00:50:57.119 --> 00:51:00.400
words of District Attorney Scott Simmons,
this is a quote, Marabell was his

731
00:51:00.519 --> 00:51:05.559
life and the opportunity for him to
be with the love of his life was

732
00:51:05.639 --> 00:51:08.719
coming to an end. And I
agree, and so did the jury.

733
00:51:09.719 --> 00:51:15.400
Casey Joy was convicted of second degree
murder and the trial court sentenced him to

734
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:19.800
fifteen years to life in prison.
Now today, Casey Joy is in his

735
00:51:19.960 --> 00:51:23.840
late sixties and he's jailed at the
Correctional Training Facility in Solidad, California.

736
00:51:24.559 --> 00:51:27.760
And for those of you that are
interested, this seems to be a trend

737
00:51:27.840 --> 00:51:35.079
lately. Casey is writing a book
called Suspect Guilty Until Proven Innocent, but

738
00:51:35.360 --> 00:51:40.840
it's yet to be published. If
you're wondering, so Casey did it.

739
00:51:42.400 --> 00:51:45.559
He did it because he was obsessed. And I guess maybe he thought that

740
00:51:45.599 --> 00:51:50.039
Marabell was playing hard to get,
but in reality, he was just kind

741
00:51:50.039 --> 00:51:51.079
of playing hard to want.