White Hat Black Hat | Victims of The Boston Marathon Bombings

0:06 Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are so shocking that many are left wondering how is this even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator, dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

0:51 Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, kJ here, what is up? I'm back for a new episode of Unspeakable. What y'all been up to? Have y'all been checking out my Facebook? I hope you've been checking out my Facebook because if you know, you know that I have a pet squirrel and his name is Putty Joe Burrows shout out to the goat Joe, and I took him for a walk, y'all, And if you go look at Facebook, I put him in one of them little rollie balls where he can run and be free, but not really and nobody can get him. So go check it out. It's kind of funny. But what are y'all up to? I'm recording here. It's actually a Sunday. The LSU Tigers are playing. I'm excited because we're ranked number one, and you should be Atographan if you're not. Okay Alnia. Now, speaking of fans, I have some new people in my crime family. I want to say hello too and give him a shout out. Deloy Duhan, how are you doing? Thank you so much for joining the crime family. I'm excited for you to be along on this trip with me. And then I've got Robin Izard. I like the name Izard. That's cool. I've never known an izard, so welcome, miss Izard. You're the first Izard for me.

2:00 I'm so glad that you joined. So guess what else I am living like. I'm on cloud nine right now. Do y'all know what I will be speaking next week? I was invited to speak at the Louisiana Forensic Scientist Association conference that they're having. So all the freaking amazing people that are up in the crime lab doing all the forensic science that's busting the ass of people who are trying to commit crimes and get away with it. I get to go talk to those people. So if you work there, if you're at the Louisiana Crime Lab. I'll see y'all. I'll be there. I'm speaking on the eleventh, I believe. Yeah, the eleventh, I'll be one of the speakers. And I've got some cool stuff for you, some cool pictures of some stuff I've dealt with, and I can't wait to do it.

2:40 So y'all, if you're if you're local, y'all look for me, and I'd love to meet you and tell you. Hey. Now, I don't know about you, but I love me some Netflix. Do y'all watch Netflix? Because I do, And they have a new release of the Boston Bombing, And so I watched that docentary and totally recommend it to everyone because it's it's banging, it's good. They they did a really good job of breaking it down and how hard the police worked to find these guys in such a short amount of time. And while that's not like a normal, you know, true crime episode that I would normally to do normally do, there were just so many twists and turns that the average public didn't know that I wanted to kind of go over the bombing. I know a lot of us, you know, if you're in the age group of twenty plus. You're familiar with it, but I want to go over it and talk about some of the badassery that went on in there that the general public doesn't know.

3:36 But I also want to go into detail, like I always do, about the victims, because those victims matter, and they were mentioned in the you know, in the documentary, but there was so much left out that I wanted to let you guys know so that we could give you know, some some credence to those people, and that they were real and that they mattered and that and what they went through during that bombing. So we know that that happened in twenty thirteen, right, So when it happened, this is kind of funny. I was in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I will never forget that I was there because some funny things happened. And I don't like flying alone, so I'm always afraid that a plane's gonna blow up with me on it. Okay, I'm just gonna shoot you straighty like that freaks me out. So I'm like looking around hyperventilating before before I fly.

4:21 I may or may not have three to twenty five bloody Marys before the wheels go up. But I got on the plane to fly there for a conference I had to go to, and this lady sat down next to me, y'all, and she was so nice, and we talked the entire flight from New Orleans all the way to Salt Lake City, and right before we landed, she said, yeah, well I have ten kids. And my head shot up and I said, what ten kids? She said, yeah, okay, this is how you know country done come to town. Because my dumbass looks at this lady as we land in Salt Lake City, Utah, and I said, and I quote, I know a Catholic one, I see one. And she turned her head and looked at me and said, maybe you're in Mormon country. What are you talking about? And I was like, oh, I'm so sorry. I've never been anywhere in my life, and I kind of laughed. She kind of looked away, and it was kind of awkward for a minute. Well then, because I only have like one wardrobe that I wear, I walked off the plane and it was snowing and I was in flip flops. So you can see that you can like take the girl at the trailer park, but you can't take the trailer park out of the girl. You know that's saying if you don't know, you do anyway. So it was snowing in Salt Lake City, Utah.

5:41 I was in leggings and flip flops, and as I'm walking to my hotel, they had these big screens. I don't know if it was a maybe like a media place, or if it was like a TV station or what. They had these big screens up and as I was walking by, they were showing the Boston Marathon and I was just stopped and was watching. And that's when that first boom went off, and nobody knew what was going on, and it made me nervous the whole time I was there. I thought, oh my god, what could you know what's going on? So the reality is that if people want to hurt you, they're gonna find a way to do it, and in this case, they found a way to do it. Now, to add insult to my injury, I was cold before we start the bombing. I was cold, and I went to a restaurant and I sat down and they had potato soup, and so I ordered some and the waitress came up to me and said, I mean I was I got my potato stoop and took a bite, and the waitress was right there, said me, I'm come seeing. She came over and I said, my soup is cold, and y'all you would have thought I just killed her firstborn child, because she looked at me and like kind of cocked her head back, and she said, yeah, no hot soup. And looked at her like, why can't I have hot? I just want some hot so I'm cold. I'm in flip flops. And she said, we don't have hot soup. This is Mormon country. Okay, I'm shoot you straight.

7:13 I still don't understand that, but just no, no soup for you, kind of like from Seinfeld. You don't get hot soup in Salt Lake City, Utah. You drink cold soup. It's weird. Go look it up. I'm not lying to you. So Boston bombing reminds me of flip flops, Mormon Country and only cold soup. Let that be your inspiration for the day, all right, So let's jump into the bombing, all right. So, like I just told you, if people want to hurt you, they're gonna find a way to hurt you. And the Boston bombing is exhibit A on how people will find a way. So you know, the marathon is usually held on Patriots Day in Massachusetts and it commemorates the American Revolutionary War battles of Lexington and Conquered. It's a huge marathon. I remember my high school science teacher ran that marathon and it was a big ordeal. You know, they always announced whenever you know where she was and all that. Currently at the school, I teach out our chemistry teacher runs it, so huge ordeal, like a festive atmosphere. Thousands of spectators show up. It's twenty six miles and they run from Hopkington, Massachusetts to Boston's Bay Back Bay neighborhood.

8:20 And there's twenty six thousand people that were participating in that twenty thirteen race. So do you think that these guys didn't take that into consideration. Of course they did. They knew that they could get possibly mass casualties in a place that would hurt somebody in their soul, right, because this is like America. You know, we're running this race for Boston and it's a very patriotic time. So this started about five hours into the race when that first bomb exploded, and it was about less than half a block from that finish line, so it was right there whenever. Everyone was all excited, you know, because it was the big, the big finish. So about twelve seconds later after that first bomb exploded, the second bomb explode, and it was about six hundred feet away from the first one. So if the first you know, some people had said, well, we thought maybe it was a construction collapse or something happening construction wise, so people didn't really understand.

9:11 But when that second bomb went off, everyone was like, Okay, something's going on, and all out chaos ensues. Right, so there's people everywhere, people running everywhere, people injured, blood, smoke, all the stuff that you could imagine would be going on. Now. First responders reacted immediately, and I was very impressed by this because if you know anything about me, I teach no I'm on one dispatch. But also you know, we do a lot with fire, police and medical, and these guys really did their job. They there was a medical tent that was set up right there at the end to help the runners that had completed the race, and so they jumped right on it. Now local and federal investigators had to conduct their investigation and survey this crime scene, which was fifteen square blocks. It was huge. I don't know if you can, you know, think about if you ever lost something in your house and you can't find it, how frustrating that is. It could be anywhere. Okay, well, now we have fifteen square blocks of crime scene. So you know a lot of people mentioned that it was basically absolute carnage. That's all that they could describe it as.

10:22 And I don't want to minimize the deaths because there were three deaths. Three people died, and I'm going to talk about those people specifically in a moment, but I really am shocked that more people weren't killed, based on the photos and all the evidence of that is out there that you can see. I mean, they you know, they had their opportunity to do mass casualty, you know, death, and they didn't do it. So, hau, let me just say that you couldn't even kill a whole bunch of people. You suck at whatever you were trying to do. Not to minimize the three that were killed, I absolutely am not, absolutely am not minimizing that, and I'm not minimizing all the people that were injured. But I'm saying you weren't even good at doing your job, So we win in that respect. Now you know, it was a beautiful day went from beautiful to horrible in just seconds. And the radio chatter they mentioned how it just went wild, right, and then one of the things we always discussed in nine and one dispatch, for example, is how worried you are about additional devices going off? We already had two. Where could the recipe if there were some? And I mean literally, nowhere was safe if you think about it, No matter where you ran, you didn't know if you were in a safe zone or not. Nobody knew in that moment, were there are more bombs along the race? If I run, you know three blocks over?

11:41 Am I out of the danger zone? Where does the danger zone begin? And where does it end? I mean we know that now if we armed your quarterback. But in that moment, imagine you have your children with you, you have your family with you. Where do you go? Which way is safe? Is it indoors, is it outdoors? Where do you go? So when I say people were wounded, y'all body parts were severed, People were dying. You know, if you look at these photos, it's almost shocking. It is shocking. It's shocking at the gruesomeness of what people were dealing with right here in the heart of America. You know, it looked like a battlefield. Things that people may be in after, you know, warsaw and here we are in the middle of a race, you know, the most common, you know, wholesome event that you could be at.

12:28 So when mass casualty events are large events like this happened. Another problem that law enforcement faces is that people will drop their shit and run and you can't blame them. You don't need it right. You grab your babies, you grab your friends, and you roll out. Well guess what that left bags behind everywhere, book sacks everywhere. So how do you rule out which ones are dangerous and which ones aren't. I just really wanted to commend law enforcement and their teams that went out there, because this is so tedious. They brought in the bomb squads, they brought in the bomb sniffing dogs, and they had to go through and go step by step, bag by bag to make sure that this area was actually secure before they could even start processing that crime scene. And not to mention, at the exact same time, there was a fire at the JFK Library that just was coincidental, but they didn't know is this part of it or is it not? So something I really loved about this event, if there's something to love, is that people went from strangers to making heroic efforts to help one another. And it just shows the beauty of humanity in that moment, absolute strangers doing whatever they could to help other people. Now, authorities immediately recognized that this was deliberate and that this was an explosive device situation. So that's like I said. They brought in those bomb squads and the bomb sniffing dogs, and then they set up their headquarters at what was known as Black Falcon Terminal to not only secure

14:00 but to also start processing evidence. And there were thousands of pieces of evidence and included in that evidence collection. They started asking the public, Hey, can you share video with us? If you have video, or if you have pictures or anything that could kind of help us to solve this case. We would really like to have it. Now. You know, this might aggravate some people what I'm about to say, but I'm going to say it because it's the truth, and sometimes the truth hurts. Okay, But one of the people that was injured in the blast was actually a sawty national and when he was brought to the hospital, they had a cell phone that this person was in control of, and they quickly thought, oh, no, is he going to use that as a remote detonation device. And before anybody starts screaming at me about profiling and how horrible profiling is, I'd like to learn you something real quick. Okay, profiling is necessary. I just said it. It's on record. You can go after me if you want to.

15:01 But profiling is something that we do every day in our everyday lives. You do it and I do it. Just because you have a bade one doesn't change that. For example, at home at night, somebody's walking around your neighborhood, does your road go up? Does your red flag go up? Why is that? It's because you're profiling them? Do they belong here? What's out of place? Do I know them? Do I not know them? What is their motive? Well, kind of like when we do what's called a bolo and law enforcement be on the lookout. We always go from most obvious to least obvious. So when you hear it go out over the radio, white male, you know, thirty to thirty five years old, we always start with the most obvious thing, which is race. Okay, now some people are gonna jump and say, well, why why are you why did you go after the Saudi? Why didn't you go off anybody else? Okay, it's because we're living in a post nine to eleven world and anybody who can't understand that, I don't know what to tell you.

15:56 It's probably gonna make people upset, but that's the reality of what we were. We were living in it that time, and we still are to this day. Not eleven had gone away, people still remember that who else was trying to hurt us? So they honed in on this guy. They sent SWAT to his house, and at his house they did say they came across what they determined to be curious is how they described it, curious documents in literature. But when it was all said and done, they acknowledged, Look, you're just a victim. He was a victim. He had nothing to do with it. But you need to realize there's a difference everyone between prejudice and investigation. Specifically in the post nine eleven world. Not everything is a prejudice. It's more of a rule it out because we see some commonalities here, you know some things that kind of are red flags to us. So they held a press conference shortly thereafter when they asked people, hey, do submit your videos and your photos. We need those. The reason they do this is because people often realize after the fact, and I'm going to really point out after the fact, that they know things about a situation or people that were involved in a crime, and so crowdsourcing becomes a very effective tool.

17:06 For example, someone that was extremely close to me turns out that he's an absolute horrific human being who was a child rapist doing horrible things. And it wasn't until after the fact when it was brought to light and you really start recounting things in your mind that the red flags jump out at you. Because a lot of people are master manipulators. You know they're good at it. But after the fact, when you really sit back and you have a moment to look at it, things really start jumping out at you. Now, something tragic that happened during that time frame, because we remember we're only roughly six hours in at this point, was that people started looking for their loved ones and something that really bothered me, and we need to do better as a society, is that before anyone had time to be notified that their family members were hurt or killed or maimed, people started posting this online.

17:59 They started posting pictures of the tragedy of people's legs blown off and dead people, and we hadn't No one even had time to be properly notified. We cannot as a society come to a point where we want to get the attention so bad that we're willing to foreghost people's privacy and their most horrific moments. You know, it's just not decent to do so. And I you know, I'll I'll rethink things or I have rethought things that I wanted to post, because my god, people are in their worst moment and it's their people. It's not just like, oh my god, look at this like a picture slideshow. I mean, you're literally seeing people's demise in front of you.

18:41 You don't have the right to post that before a family gets to find out. I don't feel like you have the right to do or shouldn't. Maybe you don't have the you have the right to do it. Maybe you shouldn't do it because morality, you know. Now, I lovingly call my it friends that I have the NERD heard like in my friend group. Okay, and they know who they are. They always help me out whenever I need it, So shout out to doctor Wheat at LSU. He always responds whenever I'm asking questions about stuff on my computer, and he always responds with this, y'all might like it. He responds with the letters peb kac every time peb kac, and I never knew what he was talking about. And then finally one day I'm like, what are those stupid letters you keep sending to me? And he said, oh, it stands for the problem exists between the keyboard and the chair. So it was me, I'm the problem, but that nerd got joke, y'all. But anyway, the big dog nerd heard crew right. The FBI computer forensics teams, they jumped in on this because the digital input was on fire. They got thousands of pieces of video evidence and picture evidence in a short amount of time, and so it was important that they had people that knew how to look at this evidence process, that determined what mattered in what didn't, and then you know, move on up the ladder of importance. The pieces they felt they needed and so they reached out to local businesses asked them if they had any possible surveillance video

20:11 that they could get from their businesses. And something that I have mad respect for is that you have to remember it is a slow process when you pull this type of evidence to look at. Basically, it's second for second review that I mean like if a video is seven hours long, it takes seven hours to review it. The manpower behind this was incredible. So they even had to go to the rooftops of buildings in that fifteen mile area because when it blew there, there was stuff that ended up on the roofs of the buildings. And eventually they were able to identify two shredded booksacks that they knew contained the bombs, and they knew that they were pressure cooker bombs, and they even found one of the lids of one of those pressure cooker bombs on a rooftop. So they started going, Okay, we kind of get what's going on here, and they determined the locations of the bomb to be number one at the finish line and then number two in front of a restaurant.

21:07 So terrorism was immediately considered the cause of the explosion because there really was no other reason to want to hurt Americans. According to the FBI, the FBI was doing their doing their due diligence, and they were able to sync up video submissions from multiple sources as well as some photos. And what emerged in that scene, you know they were able to synchronize it was that there was a taller guy in these frames that had on that had on the black book sack with him, and he went in front of the restaurant where the second explosion occurred. And there was a white male as they called him. He was slightly taller than the rest of the crowd, and he was wearing a white hat. And when the videos were aligned and they watched back, you saw him stop, set down the black bag by a tree, and then he starts taking pictures of people, and then he starts texting, and about that time, boom, the first bomb explodes. And you see everybody in the videos look left. Everybody looks left. Right, Oh my god, what is that except the guy in the white hat who looks right and starts walking away. That's what we in the business call a clue. Right, Why would you go the opposite way when all the attentions the other way.

22:17 Okay. So shortly thereafter, when he walks out of the frame of the camera that they were focused on, boom. That second blast goes off right in front of the restaurant, right by the tree, right where that booksack was set. So bingo, first bomber has been found. Yet he's not identified. They just call him white hat at that point. So about thirty nine hours after the bombing, a press conference was called. Media showed up. They were ready to get some new information right because it's the hottest story that there is, and then without warning, they canceled the press conference. Well the media does what the media does best, and they just sided.

23:00 Well hell, if they're going to cancel it, they must be withholding information from us. And this is where I get beef with the media. Okay, I get total beef with the media. They would rather be first to ring the incorrect bell of information than wait for the rest to come out. I mean, police have been dealing with this forever, but the media's motto, in my opinion, should be why wait when we can speculate? Because they don't really care in this day and age about getting it right. They just want to be first. And what happened was the media began fanning the flame of law enforcement the thought that they were withholding information, and then basically began accusing innocent people who they saw in photos and videos based on their looks or based on where they were walking or what it looked like they were doing.

23:45 And this turned into just everybody was a suspect with no probable cause, with nothing to even point it in that direction. Then, to really show the craptastic level of people there are, people started photoshopping pictures of supposed events that were going on and then submitting those to the FBI, and all it does is waste resources and time and it's fake, you know. So what we know overall is that three people were killed and more than two hundred and sixty others were wounded when those bombed. When those bombs exploded, what I wanted to do was give you a little bit more information about those people that were killed and what they went through specifically. So on April eighteenth, this is whenever these unknown assailants at this time, these unknown bombers were on MIT's campus and they decided that they were gonna go after this police officer, and his name is Sean Collier. Now, Collier was only twenty seven years old.

25:00 It hurts my heart. He was a young guy. And basically what they did was they walked up to the car. He acknowledged them because they walked up to the car, and they just shot him in the head, point blank right there. Now, they're not sure, the FBI does not know exactly which brother shot him, but it doesn't matter. They were together, they had the plan in the preparation, and they decided to go after this guy. It's irrelevant who pulled the trigger. They both did it. It doesn't matter who actually pulled the trigger. And this happened as a result of when they had published those images of the brothers. Okay, so once they had White Hat and then the other brother they called black Hat. Once they published those, that up the ante and that's when these terrorists decided, all right, now we're gonna now we're gonna really have to make a move.

25:42 So the investigators believe that the reason they killed him is that they were trying to steal his gun. Obviously, he's a police officer, he's going to have a gun on him. And even though they killed him, they were unsuccessful at getting his gun. That made me happy in a strange way. I'm horrified that they murdered this guy. But they were just two dumbasses who couldn't get a gun out of a holster. They're just dumbasses. After Collier was dead, they tried to take the gun from his holster, but they couldn't do it because Collier was wearing what's called a three point holster, meaning that you have to do three things to be able to basically get the gun out of the holster. A matter of fact, basically when you have a when you have a three point retention holster, it's like you can't just walk up and pull the gun from the police officer. So for example, if you were behind the officer and you went and you grab the handle and you pulled out, sucker, ain't moving. We're not stupid, right.

26:37 We don't want to make it easy for you to get the weapon, and weapon retention is a huge part of the job. The problem is when you get shot in the head in two seconds of someone walking up to you, then you don't you're not able to protect your weapon. That's where these three points comes in because there's like a shield that goes over the top of the weapon. You have to push down and again, I'll make a video so you can see this. But you have to push down, you have to rock it forward, and then you have to do another push to release with your thumb. You have to do another release when you rock the weapon out. It's made that way. That's the point. So these jackasses are smart enough to make a bomb, but they're not smart enough to figure out how to get a gun out of a holster. Congratulations, Wow, you must have been the top of your terrorist class there. Okay, not only did they shoot him in the head with no warning whatsoever at point blank range.

27:33 They shot him twice, they shot him in the side of the head, and then they shot him right between his eyes. I mean, it wasn't enough to kill him. They just annihilated this young guy. And they shot him with a Ruger P ninety five nine millimeter. And what was interesting about that gun was that Zokar star Knave that's the younger brother's white hat. He was the nineteen that gun. A few months a few months before the bombing, told a friend, Sarnave told a friend that he quote needed a gun, and that gone came from his high school classmate Stephen Silva, who was twenty one years old, who coincidentally pled guilty in December of that year to heroin dealing and charges connected directly to that gun that was used to kill that police officer. So there was this whole argument that, you know, the younger brother was coerced by the older brother, Tamerlin to do all of this.

28:37 But you know, whatever, the he goes to the extent to get a gun from a friend way in advance. This had been planned. This was not some quick coercion of oh little brother, let's go hurt people. Give me a break. Now, a little bit about officer Callier. He had been with the Massachusetts Institute of Technology Police Apartment since January of twenty twelve, and he had worked before that as a civilian employee at the Somerville Police Department. Now, something I thought was pretty nice too, was that in August of twenty thirteen, he was posthumously sworn in as a Somerville police officer. But he had a family, y'all. He had his parents, and he had five siblings that had to suffer through his death being played out on national television. You can google it right now and you'll see his police car and you'll see his big pool of blood on the ground. I can't imagine what that family must feel when they see that. But people on campus, students on campus, I went, y'all dug deep on this one, and I tried to find out more about him, and students liked him. On campus. He was involved in this club where he learned the basics of mountaineering, and he had mastered the ins and outs of winter hiking. And everyone said, man, he did it so quick. And he even joined the club the students, and they went and they climbed New Hampshire's Mount Washington, which is the highest peak in the Northeast, and they just said he was

30:10 just contagious. He was so much fun and he could keep people entertained. They said he was so funny during the car rides. He would always just keep people laughing the whole time. And he loved to share his favorite hiking snack, which was pepperoni, but he called it the roni if he want if you were hungry, he'd give you the roni. And he could find the bright side to any situation, is what his friends said. It didn't matter if it was, you know, a fender bender, if it was you know, you're failing your classes whatever. His grin was just irreplaceable, and they just went on and on about how he was just a nice guy. This was his riding. I found a riding he wrote. He actually wrote this and it was on their their website of the hikers, and he said he was funny. He said, a few of us are doing a trip to the Franconia Ridge on Sunday. Coincident on LEAs Sunday will be the twenty third anniversary of the first winter ascent of Mount Everest by the Polish mountaineer curses staffick click click whatever the guy's name is, and then in parentheses he put, yeah, I wikipedia it, so what you know, Like he was funny, what of it? We might not be climbing Mount Everest, but it's pretty awesome to feel free to bring any Polish dishes, were Polish clothes, red and white? Bring a Polish flag because I know you have one just laying around your apartment, or actually be from poland that'd be cool.

31:30 Like he was just funny and he wanted to bring the joy to all of these events. So something else I thought was funny about him. Some kids wrote this that he was a student in this Glacier travel class and that he started going to their weekly aerobic exercise sessions. And something that they all said was funny was sometimes if he was in uniform, he would do it. He would exercise with his uniform one and you know, he just this was a good dude and he didn't deserve it. But I wanted to just let y'all know a little bit about Officer Collier and what he was like. Another victim. Now this guy does survive, but his name is Danny Ming.

32:15 He was a carjacking victim during all of this. So right after they killed Collier, they stole a car. Now, I really liked this Danny guy. Okay, he's from China and he has his accent, you know, and he was talking about his black Mercedes that he drove. And one of the things I love that he said is he said, I drive my car, I feel like badass. And now I say that I feel like badass, you know. And he was just precious. He was so excited. And they walk up and basically he being kind kind of acknowledged him and they drew a gun and they car jacked him. But they took him along with them, and while they're riding along, they're bragging to him, Yeah, we're the Boston bombers. We killed those people. So never under ustimate somebody, never, because old Danny he was not going to be murdered by these guys. He talked to them while they were driving, and then when they made a stop, they said, well, they said, do we have enough gas to get to New York? And he was like, oh, no, we don't have enough gas. It won't make it. Let's stop and get some gas. And when they stop, that's when Danny said, see yu through the door open and he kicked bricks. He rolls out, he's running for his life, and something you have to see. And I am going to post this video. I'll get a snippet of it.

33:28 And when I say post, I mean on Facebook, but I'll throw it over on the website too, on my blog. But there's a video of him begging for his life when he runs into another gas station. And I watched it a couple of times because I really wanted to see what he was doing, not just the snippet of it. And he comes in, y'all, and he ducks down and he's got the door shut and he's not this fierce guy. You know, he's a he's just a young like looks like a mathematics student. You know, he's he's not. He's not You're what you would expect to be, like a hero. And whenever he turns to that guy working at the gas station and he's begging him, please help me, he drops to his knees and he closes his eyes and he puts his hands together in the praying position, and and just like he begs him, please please help me, Please help me. And if it doesn't do something to your heart to see someone begging and he's just so just giving over his power, I guess to the man that's working at the gas station, please help me. It's heart wrenching. And you know, the guy went through a lot. But let me tell you what. He was smarter than the freaking carjackers and the bombers because he loved his trucks so I mean, his car so much that he felt badass in that he had memorized the transmitter number to track his vehicle and was able to give that to the police. So shout out to you, Danny. You're freaking you are badass. That's cool, right, so all I'm saying is, Danny, may you brow you

34:59 have a fan in me. I freaking dug you man, You're so cool, all right. Another one of the victims that actually was not mentioned in anything that I ever saw on TV before, but I found this was um there was an officer named Dennis Simmons, and he was of the Boston Police Department. Now, during an exchange of fire, exchange which I'm gonna talk about in a minute with the terrorists, he actually sustained a head injury during that shootout, and he was struck in the head by a large piece of shrapnel from the bomb, from a bomb that had detonated, and he actually ended up dying of a brain aneurism shortly, let's see, in twenty fourteen.

35:42 And you know, he didn't really get much notice, I guess, but there's a you know, there's a there's an argument there that they say that the aneurism could have been as a result of the damage he sustained during trying to take these guys down. So I wanted to just mention him, Officer Dennis Simmons, that uh, you know, paid the ultimate price and he died as a result of it. So now there's another student. Now, this little fellow broke my heart. This one hurt as a mama. This one really hurt. And he's eight years old. And his name was Martin Richard, now in South Louisiana. The way this is spelled, that'd be re shard all day long. But Martin Richard, he was eight years old. And during the trial a lot was released about what this little fellow went through. And there's lots of pictures of him. He's standing in right behind the books, right in front of the book sack before it explodes, the second one, and he's just a little guy, right, his little teeth are growing in in the front, and he's just an eight year old little boy out there excited to be watching this race that I think they had just had ice cream and gone to a Bruins game. And something that really hurt my heart was that during the trial there was a video someone had shot and they weren't directly on them, but you could see them, and it was his mother crouched down over him while he was dying on the sidewalk, and you can hear in that audio, please, oh please, Martin, please Martin, please, And it's his mama Denise Richard, and she's just

37:15 laying on the pavement next to Martin and she's just pleading with him to breathe. And what ended up happening to him. It's not as simple as the bomb just went off and killed somebody, y'all. And that's what frustrates me about these types of situations. That's not what happened. The reality is a little boy bled to death on the side of the road, and it wasn't a quick death like we all try to make it seem in our mind. The guy that was taking this video, from what I understand, his name was, his last name was Wolfenden, and when the bomb exploded, his left leg was completely blown off below the knee, and he testified that he was frantically trying to get to his three year old son. His name was Leo, and he was in the stroller and whenever he heard that when the bomb went off, all he could hear was his baby screaming, and he saw bleeding from the side of the of the baby's head. And while he was laying on the pavement because he couldn't get to his son, that's when he rolled over and he saw Martin with his Mama, Denise, and he said, I saw Martin's face, and I could see a boy that was, you know, that was fatally injured. And he talked about the terror he felt as he tried to help his own son while also at the same time trying to stop the blood pouring from his own leg that was missing.

38:32 He actually took off his belt and tied it around his thigh as tight as he could, and the whole time his baby is crying and screaming uncontrollably. And he says, his little little man was going, mommy, daddy, mommy, daddy, daddy, daddy, mommy. That's all the little baby could scream. Now, if this is tough to listen to, sorry, but this is the reality of it. This is why it's unspeakable, because it's not just that people died, they suffered, you know, and the fact that there's people out there who think that we should be given some type of process to these terrorists. I understand the constitution, trust me, I do, but this is one of those situations where, quite frankly, I don't give it down, you know, like, what in the hell.

39:15 So a bystander comes over and he's trying to help Wolfenden, who looks like he's mortally wounded. Obviously he wasn't. And do you know, in that moment, for the love of his son, he handed his baby to a complete stranger and said, please get my son to safety, and that stranger tied another tourniquet around his leg and then ran off with his baby in the middle of all that chaos, and he says, I was terrified, completely terrifed because I didn't know if I was going to see my son again. I gave him to a stranger so that he would be saved, and he was. And that's something we can all be so thankful for. That baby suffered a skull fracture, lacerations, small earns, and a perforated ear drum, and his dad laid there with his leg blown off and handed him to a stranger. What must that feel like? I cannot imagine. So, according to further testimony, they believed that the bomb exploded about three and a half feet away from where Martin Richard was standing, and so they brought in a trauma surgeon. His name was doctor David King, and he testified that Martin did not die instantly. It's not this beautiful wrap up picture of Oh, he died, and it's terrible. At least he didn't suffer. He suffered. He absolutely suffered. He had his liver eviscerated, his spleen and his intestines were painfully twisted and stretched by the blast like it blew him open.

40:52 And he did not die immediately a matter of fact. In one of the video snippets, you can see Martin's little hands go up towards his mom and then they fall to the ground. It's awful. It is unspeakable what these kids, this kid went through, and what all these other people went through. I was I was pretty impressed, I guess, or I don't know what the word is, but I was pretty like wow. Because during the trial, Martin's parents actually asked the Department of Justice to take the death penalty off the table in exchange for a death sentence, excuse me, for a life sentence, and if Zarnev would agree to give up his rights to appeal. They did that though, because there's this picture of little Martin before his death where he's holding up a sign that says, you know, stop hurting people, basically peace. And I think they did that, you know, as an ode to Martin. They are nicer than I am, like hell, But I'm not blaming them, y'all. They're the parents, and I don't know their pain. But even the jurors in the courtroom openly cried during the Martin seeing Martin's autopsy photos where he had a gaping wound in his abdomen, and another doctor, doctor Henry Nields, who was the chief medical Examiner from Massachusetts, said that Martin received injuries to almost every part of his body, including his like I said, his liver lacerations, his kidney, his spleen, his whole stomach ruptured, He had third degree burns all over his little body, and he ended up bleeding to death. And so pain

42:23 was a very frequent topic during the testimony during the trial, and in all of its manifestations, y'all, like amputations, flesh wounds, post traumatic stress, death, all of it was brought up during this trial. And they wanted someone to be a witness for what is a textbook definition for pain, right that is felt So doctor King, who was a trauma and acute care surgeon from mass General, he took the stand to do that, and he has been a fourteen year combat surgeon for the US Army. He treated more than a thousand cases of injuries caused by improvised explosive devices or IEDs, and in the afternoon of that marathon bombing, he treated three of them. And this was a direct quote from him. I knew without anyone having to tell me exactly what the wounding mechanism was as I looked across the injured patients in just a few moments. The patterns of injuries was fairly predictable and stereotypical of injuries caused by explosive devices. These were the sort of injuries he saw in Iraq and in Afghanistan during operations Iraqi Freedom and Enduring Freedom. This little boy was experiencing war on the home front, basically, and the doctor was watching it. The doctor painted Martin's finish line death not as a swift, instantaneous one, but a slow, excruciating bleedout. He said, based on the

43:55 atomic anatomic injuries, I can say with an extra narrowly high degree of medical certainty, he did not die instantaneously. He died from blood loss, yes, and rapid blood loss, yes, but that's not instantaneous. The twisting, stretching and distension of his internal organs caused visceral pain, precisely what Martin experienced. I mean, can't you see it? I mean, little man did not die instantaneously. This matters to me, This pisces me the hell off. This is why that little fucker sitting behind the defense table and people putting their hands on his shoulders like he's some sort of you know victim here ought to had a bullet in his head. In my humble opinion, like what in the hell? Something even more, you know, just heartwrenching.

44:49 Is that the Wolfenden man that I was talking about with his little boy Leo. When he looked over and he saw Denise Richard over Martin's body with his leg blown off, he placed his hand on Denise's back to comfort her. She even asked him if he was okay, and he said he was fine, and obviously he wasn't. They you know, had to amputate the rest of his leg, and he had burns all over his body, his neck, It even burned his scrotum. You know. She turned her attention back to her sweet Martin and just kept begging please, And the father of Martin also spoke about what had happened, and he said he looked down and saw his son's pale, torn body and realized instantly he was not gonna make it.

45:38 I saw my little boy who had his body severely damaged by the explosion, and I just knew that there was no chance. The color of his skin, all of it. So even sadder too. They had a second child that was injured, and she ends up losing her leg. Now she does survive, thank God, But you know, when they're dad was testifying, he you know, he spoke in a slow, halting voice, but he did remain composed as he was describing what he saw. So let me just tell you about little little Martin if you don't know, he was four foot five inches tall and he weighed just under seventy pounds. At his autopsy, the entire length of his small body was blasted with small nails, tiny pieces of black plastic, round metal pellets, small fragments of wood, segments of black plastic, and metal pieces of the bomb that were that blew up.

46:37 The jurors got to see his clothing that was all burnt and basically, you know, ripped off of him. He had on a Boston Celtics jersey, and there was a large shred of metal under the shirt that lodged there as it came through his body. His black hooded jacket was stained and ripped, and even the medical examiner said I wasn't sure if he was wearing pants or shorts because it literally melted to his body along with his clothing. During the trial, they also held up a belt that someone had used as a tourniquet to put around his left arm, and they showed his little sneakers that he was wearing. They said that he had shredding on his left adrenal gland and third degree burns on his body, which was ruined with debris packed from the you know, the bomb. Six small nails were also pulled from his body, including pieces of cloth and styre foam. I know I'm talking about victims here, but I also want to talk about people that I'd like to freaking you know, be part Indian and be part of the slap of Hooe tribe, because this bitch I'd like to slap, all right, and this is going to be the wife of Tamerlin Sarnave. Okay, the oldest brother.

47:55 Her name was Catherine Russell, and so I started looking into her because I'm like, how is she not charged with anything? I mean, how did she not know? I mean, I know if my husband farts, how does she not know if he's gonna go kill people? Well, good question, Kelly Joe, because guess what was on her Internet searches right before the bombing. She was searching for what was wife of Mujanine and what are the rewards for wives of Mujaneine, which basically is, you know, if my husband is a martyr, what is my reward for this? This is some little white girl from the United States of America who gets tied up with this guy, get to radicalize, and all of a sudden thinks she's somebody like girl, take a seat, you ain't nobody, okay, and she's trying to see what her rewards are going to be for this ass hat that's gonna go kill Americans the day of the bombing. The day of the bombing, one of her friends was texting her and she acted like it was nothing and even said, yeah, but although a lot more people are killed every day in Syria and other places, and innocent people like who says that, who compares a tragedy to another tragedy to see which tragedy is worse. She also searched in January twenty twelve quote if your husband becomes a shahid, what are your rewards? Again the wife of Mujadine. There was also Skype messages between Tamerlin and his wife Katherine, which included these YouTube videos of Syrian conflict

49:28 and Tamerlin's laptop like the desktop is a picture of two mutilated children. They found a sticky note in Arabic and the quote says fighting may be imposed on you, even if you don't like it. Tamerland's history contained a folder with images of Osama bin Laden. One photo shows Tamerlin in a long white robe with a gun, and another one he's got a child and a gun. Just it goes on and on a on, like they were just. You can't tell me that this this bitch was not involved. You can't tell me that I don't believe it. Bring her down to South Louisiana, let me talk to her, you know what I mean. I just I'm not buying that she was not a part of it. And you need to go look up pictures of her too, because she was like normal, little little white girl USA and then turned into this completely covered, you know, like bitter, angry looking thing. I don't believe she wasn't involved. Another victim.

50:31 Lynzy Lou Now she was born August seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine. Y'all, my birthday is August fifteenth. We were both Leo's and this girl here, I'm gonna post a link. Also I found a place of her funeral and her dad who got up and spoke about her, and it is beautiful. If you want to know how wonderful of a human being was lost, you should. You should go check out this link and I'll post it so you can go check it out. But just this was an all out winner. This was a winner who was slaughtered senselessly. She was a master's degree student at the Department of Mathematics and Statistics, and she was with her best friend, Dane Ling Zao. I believe is how you would pronounce it. Please don't come after me if I said it wrong. But they were both Chinese transfer students and they met in math class and her friend dan Ling testified about the day that her friend died, and it was the friend's idea to go to the race, and Lou didn't want to go. At first, she was actually hesitant because she wanted to study for a test that she had, but she agreed to go. So they ran an errand to the Apple Store and then they ran to Boylston Street. When the first explosion went off, Lou was panicked. Okay, what happened? What do I do? She was, she was saying, and her friend said, they really thought it was a construction site noise, and she said, it's okay, calm down, We're okay. And then boom that second, that second bomb exploded, and that's when her friend said. She found herself by a fence, like

52:02 laying on a fence, and her limbs were all intertwined with Lou's, I mean they had been blown together. And she took a long pause while she was in court and really had to like collect herself when she was going through this, and she said that and this is the friend zoo or zoo, And I apologize again for how you would pronounce this, But she says her own organs were spilling out of a gash in her stomach, so she pushed, you'll talk about a beast of a woman. She pushed her own organs back inside of her body while she tried to calm Lou down. She was afraid, she said that her screaming might waste energy, and so they laid there in silence, waiting for the ambulance to try to conserve their energy.

52:46 But by the time that a Boston police officer, her name was Lauren Woods, by the time she found Lou, she was by herself, and this is what was described. Her whole body was shaking quick ring, She had vomit in her hair, her eyes were rolling in and out, so she stuck her fingers down and lose throat trying to clear the vomit, and then others came and they tried to give her chest compressions. That's whenever the police officer found a university ID and she started calling her name, ling z stay with us. She screamed. It wasn't enough to save her life. But Woods, the officer, said, I was so happy to be able to tell her parents she did not die alone. I was with her when she died, and she was not alone. That's not someone just got killed by a blast. That's suffering. That is unspeakable suffering that she went through.

53:43 The last victim. It's going to be crystal Campbell and she was a twenty nine year old Medford, Massachusetts native, and she was near the finish line. She was a graduate of met for high school and she attended the University of Massachusetts. She worked as a manager at a Jasper White's Summershack restaurant, and so she had then moved to another restaurant. And everyone that was just talking about her said she was so kind. They knew her kindness, and she was enthusiastic and just a fun person to be around. You know, she worked in a restaurant business. You know that is people and restaurants are fun. Okay, behind the scenes of restaurants are crazy, but it's fun.

54:27 And she was survived by her parents, Patricia and William Campbell, and her brother Billy. And you know this one nurse was interviewed. He actually tended to her and her injuries and what she went through. And the question was asked, and of course at that point you didn't know it was Crystal Campbell. You just knew she was a victim with extreme injuries. The nurse said, extreme injuries, yes, And even seeing her come in, were you thinking this is a case that doesn't look good. And the nurse said her injuries were extensive. She didn't have a pull when we got her to the tent and myself and another medical volunteer were both doing CPR. She had a pulse when we were doing CPR, but then it would stop and she wouldn't have a pulse. The paramedics put a heart monitor on her to look for a heart rhythm, and she had a heart rhythm but no pulse.

55:15 At that point, our medical director for Boston E. M. S, who was there, how to stop resuscitation. He decided that she wasn't going to survive, and he was asked, do you remember your reaction at that point? His response was anger, sadness, and frustration. None of us ever want to lose a patient, even when you've met for three minutes. We always hope we can save someone, and we couldn't. That's my frustration from last year. We couldn't save her. The emotion was visceral until this day thinking about her. She's somebody who will stay with me forever. I only treated her for minutes at the end of her life, and I've never forgotten, and I don't think I ever will. He was asked, were you trying to provide emotional support to her as well as physical You said she came in unconscious, Yeah, she was unconscious. She never remained consciousness for us. But we always assumed that people can hear us, so we were telling her comforting things. We told her that she was in a tent.

56:07 We told her that we were going to try to help her. And when we stopped resuscitating her, I held her arm as she took her last breath, like good people are out there, you know what I mean. It's a it's a theme here where people didn't want to die alone, and people didn't want them to die alone. When asked about her injuries, she had singing on the back of her hair, in the back of her head. There was a beebe embedded in the back of her ear. Her tongue was bruised. The back of her right upper arm was burned. She had third degree burns on her back. Most of her injuries were on the back of her right arm and her lower legs. Some of the wounds were gaping up to ten inches long. Her left foot was fractured and her left thigh bone was broken. So is that painful? And he said, very painful.

56:52 She had bebes and shrapnel all in her skin and in her clothes, and some of them were so deep. There's a close up picture of some of the wounds on the back of her leg. The smaller roun has a piece of flat metal embedded in it, so you know they eventually they do say that she bled out because you know, all the blood vessels basically were blown open and so she was bleeding out. They asked how long did it take for her to bleed out? This was being asked in court, and immediately whenever he asked how long does it take for her to bleed out? They jumped to a sidebar because old terrorist attorneys didn't like that question. Right, it's he yeah, he killed her, but we don't want to talk about her suffering. Oh that's too much, right, We don't need a jury to hear that. Please, So when they come back, the question was again posed, what's your best estimate on how long she lived? And he says she would have been able to survive from seconds to approximately a minute or so, but when asked to be more specific, he said, yes, people with injuries to the smaller blood vessels of their body live longer. The injuries to Campbell's legs put her in that category. At the end of the fourteenth day of testimony in that trial, the jurors, you know, we're looking at all of this and one another thing that was said about her about how great she wasn't how much she was loved. She was only twenty nine years old, and she was a bridesmaid seventeen times. Tell me she wasn't a woman's woman, a good friend, seventeen time bridesmaid. But she laid

58:22 on the sidewalk of Boylston Street outside of Marathon Sports with her body ripped apart, and that's where she died. I know that was tough to listen to. I know that's a lot of carnage and stuff, but I mean that's the reality of it. That's the unspeakable part. And that's my job. You know, when I come to tell true crime of what people went through, it's not about the killers, it's about the victims. And the thing is, you know, in court, Zokar tried so hard to make people feel like he didn't care or he was so unaffected he felt nothing. But all I can say is checkmate, Because whenever the police were shooting you and your brother, all they felt was recoil. The