White Hat Black Hat | Victims of The Boston Marathon Bombings

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
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with real victims, whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey, y'all, kJ here,

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what is up? I'm back for
a new episode of Unspeakable. What

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y'all been up to? Have y'all
been checking out my Facebook? I hope

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you've been checking out my Facebook because
if you know, you know that I

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have a pet squirrel and his name
is Putty Joe Burrows shout out to the

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goat Joe, and I took him
for a walk, y'all, And if

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you go look at Facebook, I
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balls where he can run and be
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get him. So go check it
out. It's kind of funny. But

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what are y'all up to? I'm
recording here. It's actually a Sunday.

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The LSU Tigers are playing. I'm
excited because we're ranked number one, and

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you should be Atographan if you're not. Okay Alnia. Now, speaking of

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fans, I have some new people
in my crime family. I want to

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say hello too and give him a
shout out. Deloy Duhan, how are

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you doing? Thank you so much
for joining the crime family. I'm excited

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for you to be along on this
trip with me. And then I've got

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Robin Izard. I like the name
Izard. That's cool. I've never known

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an izard, so welcome, miss
Izard. You're the first Izard for me.

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I'm so glad that you joined.
So guess what else I am living

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like. I'm on cloud nine right
now. Do y'all know what I will

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be speaking next week? I was
invited to speak at the Louisiana Forensic Scientist

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Association conference that they're having. So
all the freaking amazing people that are up

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in the crime lab doing all the
forensic science that's busting the ass of people

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who are trying to commit crimes and
get away with it. I get to

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go talk to those people. So
if you work there, if you're at

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the Louisiana Crime Lab. I'll see
y'all. I'll be there. I'm speaking

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on the eleventh, I believe.
Yeah, the eleventh, I'll be one

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of the speakers. And I've got
some cool stuff for you, some cool

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pictures of some stuff I've dealt with, and I can't wait to do it.

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So y'all, if you're if you're
local, y'all look for me,

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and I'd love to meet you and
tell you. Hey. Now, I

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don't know about you, but I
love me some Netflix. Do y'all watch

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Netflix? Because I do, And
they have a new release of the Boston

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Bombing, And so I watched that
docentary and totally recommend it to everyone because

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it's it's banging, it's good.
They they did a really good job of

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breaking it down and how hard the
police worked to find these guys in such

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a short amount of time. And
while that's not like a normal, you

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know, true crime episode that I
would normally to do normally do, there

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were just so many twists and turns
that the average public didn't know that I

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wanted to kind of go over the
bombing. I know a lot of us,

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you know, if you're in the
age group of twenty plus. You're

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familiar with it, but I want
to go over it and talk about some

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of the badassery that went on in
there that the general public doesn't know.

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But I also want to go into
detail, like I always do, about

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the victims, because those victims matter, and they were mentioned in the you

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know, in the documentary, but
there was so much left out that I

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wanted to let you guys know so
that we could give you know, some

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some credence to those people, and
that they were real and that they mattered

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and that and what they went through
during that bombing. So we know that

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that happened in twenty thirteen, right, So when it happened, this is

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kind of funny. I was in
Salt Lake City, Utah, and I

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will never forget that I was there
because some funny things happened. And I

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don't like flying alone, so I'm
always afraid that a plane's gonna blow up

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with me on it. Okay,
I'm just gonna shoot you straighty like that

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freaks me out. So I'm like
looking around hyperventilating before before I fly.

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I may or may not have three
to twenty five bloody Marys before the wheels

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go up. But I got on
the plane to fly there for a conference

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I had to go to, and
this lady sat down next to me,

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y'all, and she was so nice, and we talked the entire flight from

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New Orleans all the way to Salt
Lake City, and right before we landed,

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she said, yeah, well I
have ten kids. And my head

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shot up and I said, what
ten kids? She said, yeah,

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okay, this is how you know
country done come to town. Because my

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dumbass looks at this lady as we
land in Salt Lake City, Utah,

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and I said, and I quote, I know a Catholic one, I

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see one. And she turned her
head and looked at me and said,

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maybe you're in Mormon country. What
are you talking about? And I was

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like, oh, I'm so sorry. I've never been anywhere in my life,

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and I kind of laughed. She
kind of looked away, and it

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was kind of awkward for a minute. Well then, because I only have

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like one wardrobe that I wear,
I walked off the plane and it was

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snowing and I was in flip flops. So you can see that you can

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like take the girl at the trailer
park, but you can't take the trailer

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park out of the girl. You
know that's saying if you don't know,

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you do anyway. So it was
snowing in Salt Lake City, Utah.

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I was in leggings and flip flops, and as I'm walking to my hotel,

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they had these big screens. I
don't know if it was a maybe

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like a media place, or if
it was like a TV station or what.

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They had these big screens up and
as I was walking by, they

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were showing the Boston Marathon and I
was just stopped and was watching. And

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that's when that first boom went off, and nobody knew what was going on,

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and it made me nervous the whole
time I was there. I thought,

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oh my god, what could you
know what's going on? So the

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reality is that if people want to
hurt you, they're gonna find a way

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to do it, and in this
case, they found a way to do

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it. Now, to add insult
to my injury, I was cold before

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we start the bombing. I was
cold, and I went to a restaurant

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and I sat down and they had
potato soup, and so I ordered some

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and the waitress came up to me
and said, I mean I was I

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got my potato stoop and took a
bite, and the waitress was right there,

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said me, I'm come seeing.
She came over and I said,

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my soup is cold, and y'all
you would have thought I just killed her

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firstborn child, because she looked at
me and like kind of cocked her head

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back, and she said, yeah, no hot soup. And looked at

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her like, why can't I have
hot? I just want some hot so

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I'm cold. I'm in flip flops. And she said, we don't have

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hot soup. This is Mormon country. Okay, I'm shoot you straight.

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I still don't understand that, but
just no, no soup for you,

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kind of like from Seinfeld. You
don't get hot soup in Salt Lake City,

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Utah. You drink cold soup.
It's weird. Go look it up.

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I'm not lying to you. So
Boston bombing reminds me of flip flops,

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Mormon Country and only cold soup.
Let that be your inspiration for the

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day, all right, So let's
jump into the bombing, all right.

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So, like I just told you, if people want to hurt you,

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they're gonna find a way to hurt
you. And the Boston bombing is exhibit

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A on how people will find a
way. So you know, the marathon

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is usually held on Patriots Day in
Massachusetts and it commemorates the American Revolutionary War

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battles of Lexington and Conquered. It's
a huge marathon. I remember my high

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school science teacher ran that marathon and
it was a big ordeal. You know,

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they always announced whenever you know where
she was and all that. Currently

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at the school, I teach out
our chemistry teacher runs it, so huge

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ordeal, like a festive atmosphere.
Thousands of spectators show up. It's twenty

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six miles and they run from Hopkington, Massachusetts to Boston's Bay Back Bay neighborhood.

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And there's twenty six thousand people that
were participating in that twenty thirteen race.

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So do you think that these guys
didn't take that into consideration. Of

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course they did. They knew that
they could get possibly mass casualties in a

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place that would hurt somebody in their
soul, right, because this is like

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America. You know, we're running
this race for Boston and it's a very

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patriotic time. So this started about
five hours into the race when that first

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bomb exploded, and it was about
less than half a block from that finish

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line, so it was right there
whenever. Everyone was all excited, you

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know, because it was the big, the big finish. So about twelve

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seconds later after that first bomb exploded, the second bomb explode, and it

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was about six hundred feet away from
the first one. So if the first

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you know, some people had said, well, we thought maybe it was

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a construction collapse or something happening construction
wise, so people didn't really understand.

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But when that second bomb went off, everyone was like, Okay, something's

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going on, and all out chaos
ensues. Right, so there's people everywhere,

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people running everywhere, people injured,
blood, smoke, all the stuff

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that you could imagine would be going
on. Now. First responders reacted immediately,

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and I was very impressed by this
because if you know anything about me,

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I teach no I'm on one dispatch. But also you know, we

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do a lot with fire, police
and medical, and these guys really did

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their job. They there was a
medical tent that was set up right there

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at the end to help the runners
that had completed the race, and so

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they jumped right on it. Now
local and federal investigators had to conduct their

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investigation and survey this crime scene,
which was fifteen square blocks. It was

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huge. I don't know if you
can, you know, think about if

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you ever lost something in your house
and you can't find it, how frustrating

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that is. It could be anywhere. Okay, well, now we have

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fifteen square blocks of crime scene.
So you know a lot of people mentioned

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that it was basically absolute carnage.
That's all that they could describe it as.

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And I don't want to minimize the
deaths because there were three deaths.

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Three people died, and I'm going
to talk about those people specifically in a

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moment, but I really am shocked
that more people weren't killed, based on

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the photos and all the evidence of
that is out there that you can see.

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I mean, they you know,
they had their opportunity to do mass

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casualty, you know, death,
and they didn't do it. So,

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hau, let me just say that
you couldn't even kill a whole bunch of

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people. You suck at whatever you
were trying to do. Not to minimize

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the three that were killed, I
absolutely am not, absolutely am not minimizing

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that, and I'm not minimizing all
the people that were injured. But I'm

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saying you weren't even good at doing
your job, So we win in that

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respect. Now you know, it
was a beautiful day went from beautiful to

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horrible in just seconds. And the
radio chatter they mentioned how it just went

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wild, right, and then one
of the things we always discussed in nine

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and one dispatch, for example,
is how worried you are about additional devices

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going off? We already had two. Where could the recipe if there were

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some? And I mean literally,
nowhere was safe if you think about it,

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No matter where you ran, you
didn't know if you were in a

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safe zone or not. Nobody knew
in that moment, were there are more

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bombs along the race? If I
run, you know three blocks over?

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Am I out of the danger zone? Where does the danger zone begin?

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And where does it end? I
mean we know that now if we armed

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your quarterback. But in that moment, imagine you have your children with you,

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you have your family with you.
Where do you go? Which way

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is safe? Is it indoors,
is it outdoors? Where do you go?

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So when I say people were wounded, y'all body parts were severed,

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People were dying. You know,
if you look at these photos, it's

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almost shocking. It is shocking.
It's shocking at the gruesomeness of what people

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were dealing with right here in the
heart of America. You know, it

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looked like a battlefield. Things that
people may be in after, you know,

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warsaw and here we are in the
middle of a race, you know,

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the most common, you know,
wholesome event that you could be at.

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So when mass casualty events are large
events like this happened. Another problem

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that law enforcement faces is that people
will drop their shit and run and you

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can't blame them. You don't need
it right. You grab your babies,

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you grab your friends, and you
roll out. Well guess what that left

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bags behind everywhere, book sacks everywhere. So how do you rule out which

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ones are dangerous and which ones aren't. I just really wanted to commend law

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enforcement and their teams that went out
there, because this is so tedious.

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They brought in the bomb squads,
they brought in the bomb sniffing dogs,

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and they had to go through and
go step by step, bag by bag

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to make sure that this area was
actually secure before they could even start processing

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that crime scene. And not to
mention, at the exact same time,

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there was a fire at the JFK
Library that just was coincidental, but they

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didn't know is this part of it
or is it not? So something I

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really loved about this event, if
there's something to love, is that people

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went from strangers to making heroic efforts
to help one another. And it just

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shows the beauty of humanity in that
moment, absolute strangers doing whatever they could

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to help other people. Now,
authorities immediately recognized that this was deliberate and

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that this was an explosive device situation. So that's like I said. They

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brought in those bomb squads and the
bomb sniffing dogs, and then they set

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up their headquarters at what was known
as Black Falcon Terminal to not only secure

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but to also start processing evidence.
And there were thousands of pieces of evidence

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and included in that evidence collection.
They started asking the public, Hey,

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can you share video with us?
If you have video, or if you

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have pictures or anything that could kind
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We would really like to have it. Now. You know, this might

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aggravate some people what I'm about to
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because it's the truth, and sometimes
the truth hurts. Okay, But one

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of the people that was injured in
the blast was actually a sawty national and

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when he was brought to the hospital, they had a cell phone that this

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person was in control of, and
they quickly thought, oh, no,

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is he going to use that as
a remote detonation device. And before anybody

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starts screaming at me about profiling and
how horrible profiling is, I'd like to

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learn you something real quick. Okay, profiling is necessary. I just said

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it. It's on record. You
can go after me if you want to.

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But profiling is something that we do
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You do it and I do it. Just because you have a bade one

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doesn't change that. For example,
at home at night, somebody's walking around

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your neighborhood, does your road go
up? Does your red flag go up?

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Why is that? It's because you're
profiling them? Do they belong here?

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What's out of place? Do I
know them? Do I not know

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them? What is their motive?
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what's called a bolo and law enforcement
be on the lookout. We always go

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from most obvious to least obvious.
So when you hear it go out over

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the radio, white male, you
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we always start with the most obvious
thing, which is race. Okay,

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now some people are gonna jump and
say, well, why why are

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you why did you go after the
Saudi? Why didn't you go off anybody

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else? Okay, it's because we're
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and anybody who can't understand that,
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It's probably gonna make people upset,
but that's the reality of what we were.

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day. Not eleven had gone away, people still remember that who else was

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trying to hurt us? So they
honed in on this guy. They sent

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SWAT to his house, and at
his house they did say they came across

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what they determined to be curious is
how they described it, curious documents in

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literature. But when it was all
said and done, they acknowledged, Look,

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you're just a victim. He was
a victim. He had nothing to

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do with it. But you need
to realize there's a difference everyone between prejudice

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and investigation. Specifically in the post
nine eleven world. Not everything is a

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prejudice. It's more of a rule
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you know some things that kind of
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they held a press conference shortly thereafter
when they asked people, hey, do

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submit your videos and your photos.
We need those. The reason they do

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this is because people often realize after
the fact, and I'm going to really

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point out after the fact, that
they know things about a situation or people

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that were involved in a crime,
and so crowdsourcing becomes a very effective tool.

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For example, someone that was extremely
close to me turns out that he's

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an absolute horrific human being who was
a child rapist doing horrible things. And

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it wasn't until after the fact when
it was brought to light and you really

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start recounting things in your mind that
the red flags jump out at you.

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Because a lot of people are master
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But after the fact, when you
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moment to look at it, things
really start jumping out at you. Now,

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something tragic that happened during that time
frame, because we remember we're only

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roughly six hours in at this point, was that people started looking for their

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loved ones and something that really bothered
me, and we need to do better

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as a society, is that before
anyone had time to be notified that their

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family members were hurt or killed or
maimed, people started posting this online.

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They started posting pictures of the tragedy
of people's legs blown off and dead people,

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and we hadn't No one even had
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cannot as a society come to a
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so bad that we're willing to foreghost
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You know, it's just not decent
to do so. And I you know,

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I'll I'll rethink things or I have
rethought things that I wanted to post,

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because my god, people are in
their worst moment and it's their people.

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It's not just like, oh my
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picture slideshow. I mean, you're
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You don't have the right to post
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out. I don't feel like you
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Maybe you don't have the you have
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shouldn't do it because morality, you
know. Now, I lovingly call my

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it friends that I have the NERD
heard like in my friend group. Okay,

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and they know who they are.
They always help me out whenever I

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need it, So shout out to
doctor Wheat at LSU. He always responds

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whenever I'm asking questions about stuff on
my computer, and he always responds with

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this, y'all might like it.
He responds with the letters peb kac every

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time peb kac, and I never
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then finally one day I'm like,
what are those stupid letters you keep sending

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to me? And he said,
oh, it stands for the problem exists

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between the keyboard and the chair.
So it was me, I'm the problem,

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but that nerd got joke, y'all. But anyway, the big dog

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nerd heard crew right. The FBI
computer forensics teams, they jumped in on

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this because the digital input was on
fire. They got thousands of pieces of

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video evidence and picture evidence in a
short amount of time, and so it

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was important that they had people that
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that determined what mattered in what didn't, and then you know, move

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on up the ladder of importance.
The pieces they felt they needed and so

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they reached out to local businesses asked
them if they had any possible surveillance video

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that they could get from their businesses. And something that I have mad respect

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for is that you have to remember
it is a slow process when you pull

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this type of evidence to look at. Basically, it's second for second review

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that I mean like if a video
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hours to review it. The manpower
behind this was incredible. So they even

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had to go to the rooftops of
buildings in that fifteen mile area because when

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it blew there, there was stuff
that ended up on the roofs of the

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buildings. And eventually they were able
to identify two shredded booksacks that they knew

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contained the bombs, and they knew
that they were pressure cooker bombs, and

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they even found one of the lids
of one of those pressure cooker bombs on

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a rooftop. So they started going, Okay, we kind of get what's

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going on here, and they determined
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one at the finish line and then
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So terrorism was immediately considered the cause
of the explosion because there really was no

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other reason to want to hurt Americans. According to the FBI, the FBI

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was doing their doing their due diligence, and they were able to sync up

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video submissions from multiple sources as well
as some photos. And what emerged in

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that scene, you know they were
able to synchronize it was that there was

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a taller guy in these frames that
had on that had on the black book

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sack with him, and he went
in front of the restaurant where the second

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explosion occurred. And there was a
white male as they called him. He

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was slightly taller than the rest of
the crowd, and he was wearing a

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white hat. And when the videos
were aligned and they watched back, you

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saw him stop, set down the
black bag by a tree, and then

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he starts taking pictures of people,
and then he starts texting, and about

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that time, boom, the first
bomb explodes. And you see everybody in

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the videos look left. Everybody looks
left. Right, Oh my god,

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what is that except the guy in
the white hat who looks right and starts

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walking away. That's what we in
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Why would you go the opposite way
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Okay. So shortly thereafter, when
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camera that they were focused on,
boom. That second blast goes off right

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in front of the restaurant, right
by the tree, right where that booksack

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was set. So bingo, first
bomber has been found. Yet he's not

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identified. They just call him white
hat at that point. So about thirty

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nine hours after the bombing, a
press conference was called. Media showed up.

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They were ready to get some new
information right because it's the hottest story

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that there is, and then without
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Well the media does what the media
does best, and they just sided.

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Well hell, if they're going to
cancel it, they must be withholding information

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from us. And this is where
I get beef with the media. Okay,

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I get total beef with the media. They would rather be first to

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ring the incorrect bell of information than
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I mean, police have been dealing
with this forever, but the media's motto,

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in my opinion, should be why
wait when we can speculate? Because

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they don't really care in this day
and age about getting it right. They

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just want to be first. And
what happened was the media began fanning the

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flame of law enforcement the thought that
they were withholding information, and then basically

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began accusing innocent people who they saw
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or based on where they were walking
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And this turned into just everybody was
a suspect with no probable cause,

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with nothing to even point it in
that direction. Then, to really show

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the craptastic level of people there are, people started photoshopping pictures of supposed events

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that were going on and then submitting
those to the FBI, and all it

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does is waste resources and time and
it's fake, you know. So what

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we know overall is that three people
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sixty others were wounded when those bombed. When those bombs exploded, what I

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wanted to do was give you a
little bit more information about those people that

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were killed and what they went through
specifically. So on April eighteenth, this

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is whenever these unknown assailants at this
time, these unknown bombers were on MIT's

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campus and they decided that they were
gonna go after this police officer, and

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his name is Sean Collier. Now, Collier was only twenty seven years old.

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It hurts my heart. He was
a young guy. And basically what

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they did was they walked up to
the car. He acknowledged them because they

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walked up to the car, and
they just shot him in the head,

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point blank right there. Now,
they're not sure, the FBI does not

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know exactly which brother shot him,
but it doesn't matter. They were together,

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they had the plan in the preparation, and they decided to go after

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this guy. It's irrelevant who pulled
the trigger. They both did it.

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It doesn't matter who actually pulled the
trigger. And this happened as a result

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of when they had published those images
of the brothers. Okay, so once

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they had White Hat and then the
other brother they called black Hat. Once

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they published those, that up the
ante and that's when these terrorists decided,

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all right, now we're gonna now
we're gonna really have to make a move.

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So the investigators believe that the reason
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trying to steal his gun. Obviously, he's a police officer, he's going

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to have a gun on him.
And even though they killed him, they

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were unsuccessful at getting his gun.
That made me happy in a strange way.

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I'm horrified that they murdered this guy. But they were just two dumbasses

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who couldn't get a gun out of
a holster. They're just dumbasses. After

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Collier was dead, they tried to
take the gun from his holster, but

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they couldn't do it because Collier was
wearing what's called a three point holster,

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meaning that you have to do three
things to be able to basically get the

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gun out of the holster. A
matter of fact, basically when you have

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a when you have a three point
retention holster, it's like you can't just

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walk up and pull the gun from
the police officer. So for example,

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if you were behind the officer and
you went and you grab the handle and

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you pulled out, sucker, ain't
moving. We're not stupid, right.

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We don't want to make it easy
for you to get the weapon, and

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weapon retention is a huge part of
the job. The problem is when you

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get shot in the head in two
seconds of someone walking up to you,

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then you don't you're not able to
protect your weapon. That's where these three

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points comes in because there's like a
shield that goes over the top of the

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weapon. You have to push down
and again, I'll make a video so

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you can see this. But you
have to push down, you have to

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rock it forward, and then you
have to do another push to release with

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your thumb. You have to do
another release when you rock the weapon out.

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It's made that way. That's the
point. So these jackasses are smart

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enough to make a bomb, but
they're not smart enough to figure out how

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to get a gun out of a
holster. Congratulations, Wow, you must

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have been the top of your terrorist
class there. Okay, not only did

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they shoot him in the head with
no warning whatsoever at point blank range.

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They shot him twice, they shot
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and then they shot him right between
his eyes. I mean, it wasn't

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enough to kill him. They just
annihilated this young guy. And they shot

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him with a Ruger P ninety five
nine millimeter. And what was interesting about

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that gun was that Zokar star Knave
that's the younger brother's white hat. He

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was the nineteen that gun. A
few months a few months before the bombing,

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told a friend, Sarnave told a
friend that he quote needed a gun,

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and that gone came from his high
school classmate Stephen Silva, who was

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twenty one years old, who coincidentally
pled guilty in December of that year to

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heroin dealing and charges connected directly to
that gun that was used to kill that

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police officer. So there was this
whole argument that, you know, the

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younger brother was coerced by the older
brother, Tamerlin to do all of this.

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But you know, whatever, the
he goes to the extent to get

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a gun from a friend way in
advance. This had been planned. This

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was not some quick coercion of oh
little brother, let's go hurt people.

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Give me a break. Now,
a little bit about officer Callier. He

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had been with the Massachusetts Institute of
Technology Police Apartment since January of twenty twelve,

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00:29:02.359 --> 00:29:06.200
and he had worked before that as
a civilian employee at the Somerville Police

409
00:29:06.240 --> 00:29:10.440
Department. Now, something I thought
was pretty nice too, was that in

410
00:29:10.519 --> 00:29:15.319
August of twenty thirteen, he was
posthumously sworn in as a Somerville police officer.

411
00:29:15.599 --> 00:29:18.279
But he had a family, y'all. He had his parents, and

412
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:23.880
he had five siblings that had to
suffer through his death being played out on

413
00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:27.960
national television. You can google it
right now and you'll see his police car

414
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.839
and you'll see his big pool of
blood on the ground. I can't imagine

415
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:38.359
what that family must feel when they
see that. But people on campus,

416
00:29:38.359 --> 00:29:41.599
students on campus, I went,
y'all dug deep on this one, and

417
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:45.400
I tried to find out more about
him, and students liked him. On

418
00:29:45.440 --> 00:29:52.079
campus. He was involved in this
club where he learned the basics of mountaineering,

419
00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.240
and he had mastered the ins and
outs of winter hiking. And everyone

420
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.480
said, man, he did it
so quick. And he even joined the

421
00:29:59.519 --> 00:30:04.119
club the students, and they went
and they climbed New Hampshire's Mount Washington,

422
00:30:04.200 --> 00:30:10.119
which is the highest peak in the
Northeast, and they just said he was

423
00:30:10.359 --> 00:30:15.279
just contagious. He was so much
fun and he could keep people entertained.

424
00:30:15.279 --> 00:30:18.519
They said he was so funny during
the car rides. He would always just

425
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:22.480
keep people laughing the whole time.
And he loved to share his favorite hiking

426
00:30:22.519 --> 00:30:26.000
snack, which was pepperoni, but
he called it the roni if he want

427
00:30:26.039 --> 00:30:27.839
if you were hungry, he'd give
you the roni. And he could find

428
00:30:27.839 --> 00:30:30.880
the bright side to any situation,
is what his friends said. It didn't

429
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:33.759
matter if it was, you know, a fender bender, if it was

430
00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:40.359
you know, you're failing your classes
whatever. His grin was just irreplaceable,

431
00:30:40.799 --> 00:30:44.640
and they just went on and on
about how he was just a nice guy.

432
00:30:45.640 --> 00:30:48.599
This was his riding. I found
a riding he wrote. He actually

433
00:30:48.599 --> 00:30:53.359
wrote this and it was on their
their website of the hikers, and he

434
00:30:53.440 --> 00:30:56.680
said he was funny. He said, a few of us are doing a

435
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.920
trip to the Franconia Ridge on Sunday. Coincident on LEAs Sunday will be the

436
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:04.880
twenty third anniversary of the first winter
ascent of Mount Everest by the Polish mountaineer

437
00:31:06.480 --> 00:31:11.720
curses staffick click click whatever the guy's
name is, and then in parentheses he

438
00:31:11.759 --> 00:31:15.359
put, yeah, I wikipedia it, so what you know, Like he

439
00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:18.960
was funny, what of it?
We might not be climbing Mount Everest,

440
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:23.000
but it's pretty awesome to feel free
to bring any Polish dishes, were Polish

441
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:26.720
clothes, red and white? Bring
a Polish flag because I know you have

442
00:31:26.759 --> 00:31:30.160
one just laying around your apartment,
or actually be from poland that'd be cool.

443
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.960
Like he was just funny and he
wanted to bring the joy to all

444
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:38.960
of these events. So something else
I thought was funny about him. Some

445
00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:45.200
kids wrote this that he was a
student in this Glacier travel class and that

446
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:51.359
he started going to their weekly aerobic
exercise sessions. And something that they all

447
00:31:51.400 --> 00:31:53.920
said was funny was sometimes if he
was in uniform, he would do it.

448
00:31:55.079 --> 00:32:00.960
He would exercise with his uniform one
and you know, he just this

449
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:04.480
was a good dude and he didn't
deserve it. But I wanted to just

450
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:07.680
let y'all know a little bit about
Officer Collier and what he was like.

451
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:15.079
Another victim. Now this guy does
survive, but his name is Danny Ming.

452
00:32:15.480 --> 00:32:17.759
He was a carjacking victim during all
of this. So right after they

453
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.039
killed Collier, they stole a car. Now, I really liked this Danny

454
00:32:22.039 --> 00:32:25.920
guy. Okay, he's from China
and he has his accent, you know,

455
00:32:27.400 --> 00:32:30.359
and he was talking about his black
Mercedes that he drove. And one

456
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.880
of the things I love that he
said is he said, I drive my

457
00:32:32.920 --> 00:32:37.119
car, I feel like badass.
And now I say that I feel like

458
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:39.640
badass, you know. And he
was just precious. He was so excited.

459
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:45.000
And they walk up and basically he
being kind kind of acknowledged him and

460
00:32:45.079 --> 00:32:50.279
they drew a gun and they car
jacked him. But they took him along

461
00:32:50.400 --> 00:32:52.799
with them, and while they're riding
along, they're bragging to him, Yeah,

462
00:32:52.799 --> 00:32:59.680
we're the Boston bombers. We killed
those people. So never under ustimate

463
00:32:59.720 --> 00:33:02.960
somebody, never, because old Danny
he was not going to be murdered by

464
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.039
these guys. He talked to them
while they were driving, and then when

465
00:33:07.039 --> 00:33:07.960
they made a stop, they said, well, they said, do we

466
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:12.720
have enough gas to get to New
York? And he was like, oh,

467
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:14.640
no, we don't have enough gas. It won't make it. Let's

468
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.640
stop and get some gas. And
when they stop, that's when Danny said,

469
00:33:16.839 --> 00:33:21.599
see yu through the door open and
he kicked bricks. He rolls out,

470
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.519
he's running for his life, and
something you have to see. And

471
00:33:24.599 --> 00:33:28.599
I am going to post this video. I'll get a snippet of it.

472
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:31.039
And when I say post, I
mean on Facebook, but I'll throw it

473
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:35.640
over on the website too, on
my blog. But there's a video of

474
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:43.799
him begging for his life when he
runs into another gas station. And I

475
00:33:43.920 --> 00:33:46.599
watched it a couple of times because
I really wanted to see what he was

476
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:50.599
doing, not just the snippet of
it. And he comes in, y'all,

477
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:52.960
and he ducks down and he's got
the door shut and he's not this

478
00:33:52.079 --> 00:33:55.160
fierce guy. You know, he's
a he's just a young like looks like

479
00:33:55.240 --> 00:34:00.319
a mathematics student. You know,
he's he's not. He's not You're what

480
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:02.240
you would expect to be, like
a hero. And whenever he turns to

481
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:07.199
that guy working at the gas station
and he's begging him, please help me,

482
00:34:07.880 --> 00:34:12.639
he drops to his knees and he
closes his eyes and he puts his

483
00:34:12.639 --> 00:34:16.320
hands together in the praying position,
and and just like he begs him,

484
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.679
please please help me, Please help
me. And if it doesn't do something

485
00:34:20.719 --> 00:34:27.480
to your heart to see someone begging
and he's just so just giving over his

486
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:30.039
power, I guess to the man
that's working at the gas station, please

487
00:34:30.079 --> 00:34:34.840
help me. It's heart wrenching.
And you know, the guy went through

488
00:34:34.880 --> 00:34:37.079
a lot. But let me tell
you what. He was smarter than the

489
00:34:37.079 --> 00:34:42.599
freaking carjackers and the bombers because he
loved his trucks so I mean, his

490
00:34:42.679 --> 00:34:47.440
car so much that he felt badass
in that he had memorized the transmitter number

491
00:34:49.400 --> 00:34:52.159
to track his vehicle and was able
to give that to the police. So

492
00:34:52.199 --> 00:34:54.320
shout out to you, Danny.
You're freaking you are badass. That's cool,

493
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:59.679
right, so all I'm saying is, Danny, may you brow you

494
00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:01.480
have a fan in me. I
freaking dug you man, You're so cool,

495
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:07.880
all right. Another one of the
victims that actually was not mentioned in

496
00:35:07.920 --> 00:35:12.280
anything that I ever saw on TV
before, but I found this was um

497
00:35:13.679 --> 00:35:17.400
there was an officer named Dennis Simmons, and he was of the Boston Police

498
00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:22.679
Department. Now, during an exchange
of fire, exchange which I'm gonna talk

499
00:35:22.679 --> 00:35:29.000
about in a minute with the terrorists, he actually sustained a head injury during

500
00:35:29.039 --> 00:35:32.360
that shootout, and he was struck
in the head by a large piece of

501
00:35:32.400 --> 00:35:37.239
shrapnel from the bomb, from a
bomb that had detonated, and he actually

502
00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:40.519
ended up dying of a brain aneurism
shortly, let's see, in twenty fourteen.

503
00:35:42.000 --> 00:35:45.000
And you know, he didn't really
get much notice, I guess,

504
00:35:45.280 --> 00:35:47.480
but there's a you know, there's
a there's an argument there that they say

505
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:52.960
that the aneurism could have been as
a result of the damage he sustained during

506
00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.760
trying to take these guys down.
So I wanted to just mention him,

507
00:35:54.800 --> 00:36:00.480
Officer Dennis Simmons, that uh,
you know, paid the ultimate price and

508
00:36:00.519 --> 00:36:05.960
he died as a result of it. So now there's another student. Now,

509
00:36:06.000 --> 00:36:08.599
this little fellow broke my heart.
This one hurt as a mama.

510
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:12.679
This one really hurt. And he's
eight years old. And his name was

511
00:36:12.840 --> 00:36:15.880
Martin Richard, now in South Louisiana. The way this is spelled, that'd

512
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:20.519
be re shard all day long.
But Martin Richard, he was eight years

513
00:36:20.559 --> 00:36:28.760
old. And during the trial a
lot was released about what this little fellow

514
00:36:28.800 --> 00:36:30.199
went through. And there's lots of
pictures of him. He's standing in right

515
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:32.920
behind the books, right in front
of the book sack before it explodes,

516
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.800
the second one, and he's just
a little guy, right, his little

517
00:36:36.800 --> 00:36:38.840
teeth are growing in in the front, and he's just an eight year old

518
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.159
little boy out there excited to be
watching this race that I think they had

519
00:36:43.159 --> 00:36:46.440
just had ice cream and gone to
a Bruins game. And something that really

520
00:36:46.519 --> 00:36:52.480
hurt my heart was that during the
trial there was a video someone had shot

521
00:36:52.559 --> 00:36:57.000
and they weren't directly on them,
but you could see them, and it

522
00:36:57.079 --> 00:37:00.719
was his mother crouched down over him
while he was dying on the sidewalk,

523
00:37:01.239 --> 00:37:07.679
and you can hear in that audio, please, oh please, Martin,

524
00:37:07.800 --> 00:37:15.079
please Martin, please, And it's
his mama Denise Richard, and she's just

525
00:37:15.199 --> 00:37:19.719
laying on the pavement next to Martin
and she's just pleading with him to breathe.

526
00:37:20.280 --> 00:37:22.000
And what ended up happening to him. It's not as simple as the

527
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:24.880
bomb just went off and killed somebody, y'all. And that's what frustrates me

528
00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:29.119
about these types of situations. That's
not what happened. The reality is a

529
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:34.559
little boy bled to death on the
side of the road, and it wasn't

530
00:37:34.599 --> 00:37:37.239
a quick death like we all try
to make it seem in our mind.

531
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:42.559
The guy that was taking this video, from what I understand, his name

532
00:37:42.639 --> 00:37:46.559
was, his last name was Wolfenden, and when the bomb exploded, his

533
00:37:46.679 --> 00:37:52.480
left leg was completely blown off below
the knee, and he testified that he

534
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:55.559
was frantically trying to get to his
three year old son. His name was

535
00:37:55.639 --> 00:38:01.199
Leo, and he was in the
stroller and whenever he heard that when the

536
00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:05.320
bomb went off, all he could
hear was his baby screaming, and he

537
00:38:05.320 --> 00:38:07.639
saw bleeding from the side of the
of the baby's head. And while he

538
00:38:07.679 --> 00:38:12.039
was laying on the pavement because he
couldn't get to his son, that's when

539
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:15.639
he rolled over and he saw Martin
with his Mama, Denise, and he

540
00:38:15.719 --> 00:38:20.280
said, I saw Martin's face,
and I could see a boy that was,

541
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.320
you know, that was fatally injured. And he talked about the terror

542
00:38:23.320 --> 00:38:27.920
he felt as he tried to help
his own son while also at the same

543
00:38:27.920 --> 00:38:31.880
time trying to stop the blood pouring
from his own leg that was missing.

544
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:37.199
He actually took off his belt and
tied it around his thigh as tight as

545
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:40.239
he could, and the whole time
his baby is crying and screaming uncontrollably.

546
00:38:40.599 --> 00:38:44.360
And he says, his little little
man was going, mommy, daddy,

547
00:38:44.440 --> 00:38:46.199
mommy, daddy, daddy, daddy, mommy. That's all the little baby

548
00:38:46.239 --> 00:38:50.880
could scream. Now, if this
is tough to listen to, sorry,

549
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:54.679
but this is the reality of it. This is why it's unspeakable, because

550
00:38:54.679 --> 00:39:00.719
it's not just that people died,
they suffered, you know, and the

551
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.840
fact that there's people out there who
think that we should be given some type

552
00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:07.199
of process to these terrorists. I
understand the constitution, trust me, I

553
00:39:07.239 --> 00:39:12.360
do, but this is one of
those situations where, quite frankly, I

554
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:14.880
don't give it down, you know, like, what in the hell.

555
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:20.519
So a bystander comes over and he's
trying to help Wolfenden, who looks like

556
00:39:20.559 --> 00:39:22.840
he's mortally wounded. Obviously he wasn't. And do you know, in that

557
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:28.039
moment, for the love of his
son, he handed his baby to a

558
00:39:28.079 --> 00:39:32.519
complete stranger and said, please get
my son to safety, and that stranger

559
00:39:32.599 --> 00:39:38.440
tied another tourniquet around his leg and
then ran off with his baby in the

560
00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:43.519
middle of all that chaos, and
he says, I was terrified, completely

561
00:39:43.599 --> 00:39:45.599
terrifed because I didn't know if I
was going to see my son again.

562
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:51.920
I gave him to a stranger so
that he would be saved, and he

563
00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:55.039
was. And that's something we can
all be so thankful for. That baby

564
00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:00.920
suffered a skull fracture, lacerations,
small earns, and a perforated ear drum,

565
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:06.440
and his dad laid there with his
leg blown off and handed him to

566
00:40:06.480 --> 00:40:10.800
a stranger. What must that feel
like? I cannot imagine. So,

567
00:40:12.360 --> 00:40:15.840
according to further testimony, they believed
that the bomb exploded about three and a

568
00:40:15.840 --> 00:40:21.760
half feet away from where Martin Richard
was standing, and so they brought in

569
00:40:21.800 --> 00:40:25.760
a trauma surgeon. His name was
doctor David King, and he testified that

570
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:31.480
Martin did not die instantly. It's
not this beautiful wrap up picture of Oh,

571
00:40:31.519 --> 00:40:34.960
he died, and it's terrible.
At least he didn't suffer. He

572
00:40:35.119 --> 00:40:43.400
suffered. He absolutely suffered. He
had his liver eviscerated, his spleen and

573
00:40:43.519 --> 00:40:52.039
his intestines were painfully twisted and stretched
by the blast like it blew him open.

574
00:40:52.159 --> 00:40:55.400
And he did not die immediately a
matter of fact. In one of

575
00:40:55.400 --> 00:40:59.840
the video snippets, you can see
Martin's little hands go up towards his mom

576
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.960
and then they fall to the ground. It's awful. It is unspeakable what

577
00:41:04.079 --> 00:41:07.000
these kids, this kid went through, and what all these other people went

578
00:41:07.039 --> 00:41:09.719
through. I was I was pretty
impressed, I guess, or I don't

579
00:41:09.760 --> 00:41:13.159
know what the word is, but
I was pretty like wow. Because during

580
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.159
the trial, Martin's parents actually asked
the Department of Justice to take the death

581
00:41:17.159 --> 00:41:21.599
penalty off the table in exchange for
a death sentence, excuse me, for

582
00:41:21.639 --> 00:41:27.440
a life sentence, and if Zarnev
would agree to give up his rights to

583
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:31.280
appeal. They did that though,
because there's this picture of little Martin before

584
00:41:31.280 --> 00:41:34.679
his death where he's holding up a
sign that says, you know, stop

585
00:41:34.760 --> 00:41:37.000
hurting people, basically peace. And
I think they did that, you know,

586
00:41:37.079 --> 00:41:44.239
as an ode to Martin. They
are nicer than I am, like

587
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:46.360
hell, But I'm not blaming them, y'all. They're the parents, and

588
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:52.519
I don't know their pain. But
even the jurors in the courtroom openly cried

589
00:41:53.119 --> 00:41:59.800
during the Martin seeing Martin's autopsy photos
where he had a gaping wound in his

590
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.000
abdomen, and another doctor, doctor
Henry Nields, who was the chief medical

591
00:42:04.039 --> 00:42:08.719
Examiner from Massachusetts, said that Martin
received injuries to almost every part of his

592
00:42:08.880 --> 00:42:13.679
body, including his like I said, his liver lacerations, his kidney,

593
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:19.440
his spleen, his whole stomach ruptured, He had third degree burns all over

594
00:42:19.559 --> 00:42:23.119
his little body, and he ended
up bleeding to death. And so pain

595
00:42:23.400 --> 00:42:30.800
was a very frequent topic during the
testimony during the trial, and in all

596
00:42:30.840 --> 00:42:34.519
of its manifestations, y'all, like
amputations, flesh wounds, post traumatic stress,

597
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:37.360
death, all of it was brought
up during this trial. And they

598
00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:44.039
wanted someone to be a witness for
what is a textbook definition for pain,

599
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:51.360
right that is felt So doctor King, who was a trauma and acute care

600
00:42:51.400 --> 00:42:55.880
surgeon from mass General, he took
the stand to do that, and he

601
00:42:55.960 --> 00:43:02.280
has been a fourteen year combat surgeon
for the US Army. He treated more

602
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:08.239
than a thousand cases of injuries caused
by improvised explosive devices or IEDs, and

603
00:43:08.320 --> 00:43:13.159
in the afternoon of that marathon bombing, he treated three of them. And

604
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:15.719
this was a direct quote from him. I knew without anyone having to tell

605
00:43:15.760 --> 00:43:21.599
me exactly what the wounding mechanism was
as I looked across the injured patients in

606
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:25.159
just a few moments. The patterns
of injuries was fairly predictable and stereotypical of

607
00:43:25.199 --> 00:43:30.559
injuries caused by explosive devices. These
were the sort of injuries he saw in

608
00:43:30.639 --> 00:43:37.199
Iraq and in Afghanistan during operations Iraqi
Freedom and Enduring Freedom. This little boy

609
00:43:37.199 --> 00:43:42.400
was experiencing war on the home front, basically, and the doctor was watching

610
00:43:42.440 --> 00:43:50.920
it. The doctor painted Martin's finish
line death not as a swift, instantaneous

611
00:43:50.920 --> 00:43:55.320
one, but a slow, excruciating
bleedout. He said, based on the

612
00:43:55.360 --> 00:44:00.519
atomic anatomic injuries, I can say
with an extra narrowly high degree of medical

613
00:44:00.599 --> 00:44:06.519
certainty, he did not die instantaneously. He died from blood loss, yes,

614
00:44:06.639 --> 00:44:10.559
and rapid blood loss, yes,
but that's not instantaneous. The twisting,

615
00:44:10.760 --> 00:44:19.599
stretching and distension of his internal organs
caused visceral pain, precisely what Martin

616
00:44:19.679 --> 00:44:23.960
experienced. I mean, can't you
see it? I mean, little man

617
00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:30.000
did not die instantaneously. This matters
to me, This pisces me the hell

618
00:44:30.039 --> 00:44:34.559
off. This is why that little
fucker sitting behind the defense table and people

619
00:44:34.559 --> 00:44:37.159
putting their hands on his shoulders like
he's some sort of you know victim here

620
00:44:37.559 --> 00:44:44.159
ought to had a bullet in his
head. In my humble opinion, like

621
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:49.159
what in the hell? Something even
more, you know, just heartwrenching.

622
00:44:49.800 --> 00:44:53.280
Is that the Wolfenden man that I
was talking about with his little boy Leo.

623
00:44:54.000 --> 00:45:01.159
When he looked over and he saw
Denise Richard over Martin's body with his

624
00:45:01.239 --> 00:45:07.559
leg blown off, he placed his
hand on Denise's back to comfort her.

625
00:45:09.039 --> 00:45:12.679
She even asked him if he was
okay, and he said he was fine,

626
00:45:12.679 --> 00:45:15.679
and obviously he wasn't. They you
know, had to amputate the rest

627
00:45:15.719 --> 00:45:19.400
of his leg, and he had
burns all over his body, his neck,

628
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:23.519
It even burned his scrotum. You
know. She turned her attention back

629
00:45:23.519 --> 00:45:30.519
to her sweet Martin and just kept
begging please, And the father of Martin

630
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:35.039
also spoke about what had happened,
and he said he looked down and saw

631
00:45:35.039 --> 00:45:38.039
his son's pale, torn body and
realized instantly he was not gonna make it.

632
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:43.679
I saw my little boy who had
his body severely damaged by the explosion,

633
00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:45.119
and I just knew that there was
no chance. The color of his

634
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:52.119
skin, all of it. So
even sadder too. They had a second

635
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.960
child that was injured, and she
ends up losing her leg. Now she

636
00:45:55.039 --> 00:46:00.199
does survive, thank God, But
you know, when they're dad was testifying,

637
00:46:00.800 --> 00:46:05.119
he you know, he spoke in
a slow, halting voice, but

638
00:46:05.199 --> 00:46:09.400
he did remain composed as he was
describing what he saw. So let me

639
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:14.480
just tell you about little little Martin
if you don't know, he was four

640
00:46:14.559 --> 00:46:22.599
foot five inches tall and he weighed
just under seventy pounds. At his autopsy,

641
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:27.000
the entire length of his small body
was blasted with small nails, tiny

642
00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:31.679
pieces of black plastic, round metal
pellets, small fragments of wood, segments

643
00:46:31.679 --> 00:46:37.639
of black plastic, and metal pieces
of the bomb that were that blew up.

644
00:46:37.599 --> 00:46:43.000
The jurors got to see his clothing
that was all burnt and basically,

645
00:46:43.119 --> 00:46:46.599
you know, ripped off of him. He had on a Boston Celtics jersey,

646
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:57.199
and there was a large shred of
metal under the shirt that lodged there

647
00:46:57.679 --> 00:47:00.440
as it came through his body.
His black hooded jacket was stained and ripped,

648
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:05.400
and even the medical examiner said I
wasn't sure if he was wearing pants

649
00:47:05.480 --> 00:47:10.559
or shorts because it literally melted to
his body along with his clothing. During

650
00:47:10.599 --> 00:47:16.039
the trial, they also held up
a belt that someone had used as a

651
00:47:16.119 --> 00:47:22.039
tourniquet to put around his left arm, and they showed his little sneakers that

652
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:27.280
he was wearing. They said that
he had shredding on his left adrenal gland

653
00:47:27.719 --> 00:47:31.519
and third degree burns on his body, which was ruined with debris packed from

654
00:47:31.519 --> 00:47:37.840
the you know, the bomb.
Six small nails were also pulled from his

655
00:47:37.960 --> 00:47:42.679
body, including pieces of cloth and
styre foam. I know I'm talking about

656
00:47:42.719 --> 00:47:45.000
victims here, but I also want
to talk about people that I'd like to

657
00:47:45.039 --> 00:47:49.480
freaking you know, be part Indian
and be part of the slap of Hooe

658
00:47:49.519 --> 00:47:52.039
tribe, because this bitch I'd like
to slap, all right, and this

659
00:47:52.119 --> 00:47:55.400
is going to be the wife of
Tamerlin Sarnave. Okay, the oldest brother.

660
00:47:55.440 --> 00:48:00.800
Her name was Catherine Russell, and
so I started looking into her because

661
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:02.480
I'm like, how is she not
charged with anything? I mean, how

662
00:48:02.480 --> 00:48:06.639
did she not know? I mean, I know if my husband farts,

663
00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:09.480
how does she not know if he's
gonna go kill people? Well, good

664
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:15.960
question, Kelly Joe, because guess
what was on her Internet searches right before

665
00:48:15.960 --> 00:48:22.639
the bombing. She was searching for
what was wife of Mujanine and what are

666
00:48:22.639 --> 00:48:29.280
the rewards for wives of Mujaneine,
which basically is, you know, if

667
00:48:29.320 --> 00:48:31.920
my husband is a martyr, what
is my reward for this? This is

668
00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.639
some little white girl from the United
States of America who gets tied up with

669
00:48:36.679 --> 00:48:38.679
this guy, get to radicalize,
and all of a sudden thinks she's somebody

670
00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.480
like girl, take a seat,
you ain't nobody, okay, and she's

671
00:48:44.480 --> 00:48:46.280
trying to see what her rewards are
going to be for this ass hat that's

672
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:51.599
gonna go kill Americans the day of
the bombing. The day of the bombing,

673
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:54.920
one of her friends was texting her
and she acted like it was nothing

674
00:48:55.079 --> 00:48:59.000
and even said, yeah, but
although a lot more people are killed every

675
00:48:59.039 --> 00:49:01.679
day in Syria and other places,
and innocent people like who says that,

676
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:07.960
who compares a tragedy to another tragedy
to see which tragedy is worse. She

677
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:14.599
also searched in January twenty twelve quote
if your husband becomes a shahid, what

678
00:49:14.679 --> 00:49:20.960
are your rewards? Again the wife
of Mujadine. There was also Skype messages

679
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:28.159
between Tamerlin and his wife Katherine,
which included these YouTube videos of Syrian conflict

680
00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:35.360
and Tamerlin's laptop like the desktop is
a picture of two mutilated children. They

681
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:42.880
found a sticky note in Arabic and
the quote says fighting may be imposed on

682
00:49:42.920 --> 00:49:47.920
you, even if you don't like
it. Tamerland's history contained a folder with

683
00:49:49.000 --> 00:49:54.119
images of Osama bin Laden. One
photo shows Tamerlin in a long white robe

684
00:49:54.119 --> 00:49:58.320
with a gun, and another one
he's got a child and a gun.

685
00:49:58.840 --> 00:50:00.400
Just it goes on and on a
on, like they were just. You

686
00:50:00.440 --> 00:50:04.559
can't tell me that this this bitch
was not involved. You can't tell me

687
00:50:04.639 --> 00:50:07.159
that I don't believe it. Bring
her down to South Louisiana, let me

688
00:50:07.159 --> 00:50:12.599
talk to her, you know what
I mean. I just I'm not buying

689
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.840
that she was not a part of
it. And you need to go look

690
00:50:15.880 --> 00:50:19.239
up pictures of her too, because
she was like normal, little little white

691
00:50:19.239 --> 00:50:23.559
girl USA and then turned into this
completely covered, you know, like bitter,

692
00:50:23.679 --> 00:50:31.320
angry looking thing. I don't believe
she wasn't involved. Another victim.

693
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:37.360
Lynzy Lou Now she was born August
seventeenth, nineteen eighty nine. Y'all,

694
00:50:37.360 --> 00:50:40.280
my birthday is August fifteenth. We
were both Leo's and this girl here,

695
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:46.679
I'm gonna post a link. Also
I found a place of her funeral and

696
00:50:46.760 --> 00:50:50.719
her dad who got up and spoke
about her, and it is beautiful.

697
00:50:51.039 --> 00:50:52.920
If you want to know how wonderful
of a human being was lost, you

698
00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:57.039
should. You should go check out
this link and I'll post it so you

699
00:50:57.079 --> 00:51:00.719
can go check it out. But
just this was an all out winner.

700
00:51:01.280 --> 00:51:06.440
This was a winner who was slaughtered
senselessly. She was a master's degree student

701
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.480
at the Department of Mathematics and Statistics, and she was with her best friend,

702
00:51:09.559 --> 00:51:13.760
Dane Ling Zao. I believe is
how you would pronounce it. Please

703
00:51:13.760 --> 00:51:16.199
don't come after me if I said
it wrong. But they were both Chinese

704
00:51:16.199 --> 00:51:23.000
transfer students and they met in math
class and her friend dan Ling testified about

705
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:28.280
the day that her friend died,
and it was the friend's idea to go

706
00:51:28.320 --> 00:51:30.360
to the race, and Lou didn't
want to go. At first, she

707
00:51:30.400 --> 00:51:34.719
was actually hesitant because she wanted to
study for a test that she had,

708
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:37.639
but she agreed to go. So
they ran an errand to the Apple Store

709
00:51:37.719 --> 00:51:42.559
and then they ran to Boylston Street. When the first explosion went off,

710
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.239
Lou was panicked. Okay, what
happened? What do I do? She

711
00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:51.079
was, she was saying, and
her friend said, they really thought it

712
00:51:51.079 --> 00:51:53.039
was a construction site noise, and
she said, it's okay, calm down,

713
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:59.079
We're okay. And then boom that
second, that second bomb exploded,

714
00:51:59.639 --> 00:52:02.760
and that's when her friend said.
She found herself by a fence, like

715
00:52:02.840 --> 00:52:07.400
laying on a fence, and her
limbs were all intertwined with Lou's, I

716
00:52:07.400 --> 00:52:12.679
mean they had been blown together.
And she took a long pause while she

717
00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.519
was in court and really had to
like collect herself when she was going through

718
00:52:15.559 --> 00:52:20.159
this, and she said that and
this is the friend zoo or zoo,

719
00:52:20.159 --> 00:52:22.400
And I apologize again for how you
would pronounce this, But she says her

720
00:52:22.400 --> 00:52:27.880
own organs were spilling out of a
gash in her stomach, so she pushed,

721
00:52:27.960 --> 00:52:30.880
you'll talk about a beast of a
woman. She pushed her own organs

722
00:52:31.400 --> 00:52:37.760
back inside of her body while she
tried to calm Lou down. She was

723
00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:43.039
afraid, she said that her screaming
might waste energy, and so they laid

724
00:52:43.119 --> 00:52:46.119
there in silence, waiting for the
ambulance to try to conserve their energy.

725
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.320
But by the time that a Boston
police officer, her name was Lauren Woods,

726
00:52:52.320 --> 00:52:55.719
by the time she found Lou,
she was by herself, and this

727
00:52:55.800 --> 00:53:00.840
is what was described. Her whole
body was shaking quick ring, She had

728
00:53:00.920 --> 00:53:05.320
vomit in her hair, her eyes
were rolling in and out, so she

729
00:53:05.400 --> 00:53:08.199
stuck her fingers down and lose throat
trying to clear the vomit, and then

730
00:53:08.360 --> 00:53:14.360
others came and they tried to give
her chest compressions. That's whenever the police

731
00:53:14.400 --> 00:53:17.519
officer found a university ID and she
started calling her name, ling z stay

732
00:53:17.559 --> 00:53:22.039
with us. She screamed. It
wasn't enough to save her life. But

733
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:25.239
Woods, the officer, said,
I was so happy to be able to

734
00:53:25.239 --> 00:53:29.719
tell her parents she did not die
alone. I was with her when she

735
00:53:29.800 --> 00:53:35.440
died, and she was not alone. That's not someone just got killed by

736
00:53:35.440 --> 00:53:39.840
a blast. That's suffering. That
is unspeakable suffering that she went through.

737
00:53:43.440 --> 00:53:49.519
The last victim. It's going to
be crystal Campbell and she was a twenty

738
00:53:49.599 --> 00:53:54.800
nine year old Medford, Massachusetts native, and she was near the finish line.

739
00:53:54.840 --> 00:53:59.000
She was a graduate of met for
high school and she attended the University

740
00:53:59.000 --> 00:54:04.800
of Massachusetts. She worked as a
manager at a Jasper White's Summershack restaurant,

741
00:54:04.840 --> 00:54:09.760
and so she had then moved to
another restaurant. And everyone that was just

742
00:54:09.920 --> 00:54:15.360
talking about her said she was so
kind. They knew her kindness, and

743
00:54:15.480 --> 00:54:19.960
she was enthusiastic and just a fun
person to be around. You know,

744
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.800
she worked in a restaurant business.
You know that is people and restaurants are

745
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.599
fun. Okay, behind the scenes
of restaurants are crazy, but it's fun.

746
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:30.039
And she was survived by her parents, Patricia and William Campbell, and

747
00:54:30.159 --> 00:54:37.760
her brother Billy. And you know
this one nurse was interviewed. He actually

748
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:44.000
tended to her and her injuries and
what she went through. And the question

749
00:54:44.159 --> 00:54:45.760
was asked, and of course at
that point you didn't know it was Crystal

750
00:54:45.760 --> 00:54:49.320
Campbell. You just knew she was
a victim with extreme injuries. The nurse

751
00:54:49.320 --> 00:54:53.519
said, extreme injuries, yes,
And even seeing her come in, were

752
00:54:53.519 --> 00:54:57.280
you thinking this is a case that
doesn't look good. And the nurse said

753
00:54:57.320 --> 00:55:00.679
her injuries were extensive. She didn't
have a pull when we got her to

754
00:55:00.719 --> 00:55:06.119
the tent and myself and another medical
volunteer were both doing CPR. She had

755
00:55:06.159 --> 00:55:08.000
a pulse when we were doing CPR, but then it would stop and she

756
00:55:08.000 --> 00:55:12.480
wouldn't have a pulse. The paramedics
put a heart monitor on her to look

757
00:55:12.519 --> 00:55:15.320
for a heart rhythm, and she
had a heart rhythm but no pulse.

758
00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:17.199
At that point, our medical director
for Boston E. M. S,

759
00:55:17.239 --> 00:55:22.360
who was there, how to stop
resuscitation. He decided that she wasn't going

760
00:55:22.400 --> 00:55:24.880
to survive, and he was asked, do you remember your reaction at that

761
00:55:24.960 --> 00:55:30.119
point? His response was anger,
sadness, and frustration. None of us

762
00:55:30.159 --> 00:55:34.000
ever want to lose a patient,
even when you've met for three minutes.

763
00:55:34.440 --> 00:55:37.840
We always hope we can save someone, and we couldn't. That's my frustration

764
00:55:37.960 --> 00:55:43.760
from last year. We couldn't save
her. The emotion was visceral until this

765
00:55:43.880 --> 00:55:45.960
day thinking about her. She's somebody
who will stay with me forever. I

766
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:50.119
only treated her for minutes at the
end of her life, and I've never

767
00:55:50.159 --> 00:55:53.360
forgotten, and I don't think I
ever will. He was asked, were

768
00:55:53.360 --> 00:55:58.039
you trying to provide emotional support to
her as well as physical You said she

769
00:55:58.079 --> 00:56:01.079
came in unconscious, Yeah, she
was unconscious. She never remained consciousness for

770
00:56:01.159 --> 00:56:05.119
us. But we always assumed that
people can hear us, so we were

771
00:56:05.119 --> 00:56:07.000
telling her comforting things. We told
her that she was in a tent.

772
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:09.480
We told her that we were going
to try to help her. And when

773
00:56:09.480 --> 00:56:14.280
we stopped resuscitating her, I held
her arm as she took her last breath,

774
00:56:15.159 --> 00:56:19.360
like good people are out there,
you know what I mean. It's

775
00:56:17.679 --> 00:56:22.760
a it's a theme here where people
didn't want to die alone, and people

776
00:56:22.800 --> 00:56:25.280
didn't want them to die alone.
When asked about her injuries, she had

777
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.519
singing on the back of her hair, in the back of her head.

778
00:56:28.880 --> 00:56:30.960
There was a beebe embedded in the
back of her ear. Her tongue was

779
00:56:31.000 --> 00:56:35.920
bruised. The back of her right
upper arm was burned. She had third

780
00:56:35.960 --> 00:56:38.000
degree burns on her back. Most
of her injuries were on the back of

781
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:42.400
her right arm and her lower legs. Some of the wounds were gaping up

782
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:45.760
to ten inches long. Her left
foot was fractured and her left thigh bone

783
00:56:45.840 --> 00:56:51.079
was broken. So is that painful? And he said, very painful.

784
00:56:52.519 --> 00:56:54.400
She had bebes and shrapnel all in
her skin and in her clothes, and

785
00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:59.760
some of them were so deep.
There's a close up picture of some of

786
00:56:59.800 --> 00:57:01.360
the wounds on the back of her
leg. The smaller roun has a piece

787
00:57:01.360 --> 00:57:10.559
of flat metal embedded in it,
so you know they eventually they do say

788
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:16.039
that she bled out because you know, all the blood vessels basically were blown

789
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:19.960
open and so she was bleeding out. They asked how long did it take

790
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:23.639
for her to bleed out? This
was being asked in court, and immediately

791
00:57:23.679 --> 00:57:25.719
whenever he asked how long does it
take for her to bleed out? They

792
00:57:25.800 --> 00:57:30.960
jumped to a sidebar because old terrorist
attorneys didn't like that question. Right,

793
00:57:30.320 --> 00:57:32.360
it's he yeah, he killed her, but we don't want to talk about

794
00:57:32.400 --> 00:57:36.480
her suffering. Oh that's too much, right, We don't need a jury

795
00:57:36.480 --> 00:57:39.440
to hear that. Please, So
when they come back, the question was

796
00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:43.679
again posed, what's your best estimate
on how long she lived? And he

797
00:57:43.760 --> 00:57:47.239
says she would have been able to
survive from seconds to approximately a minute or

798
00:57:47.239 --> 00:57:52.320
so, but when asked to be
more specific, he said, yes,

799
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.920
people with injuries to the smaller blood
vessels of their body live longer. The

800
00:57:55.960 --> 00:58:00.719
injuries to Campbell's legs put her in
that category. At the end of the

801
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.239
fourteenth day of testimony in that trial, the jurors, you know, we're

802
00:58:04.280 --> 00:58:09.119
looking at all of this and one
another thing that was said about her about

803
00:58:09.119 --> 00:58:13.159
how great she wasn't how much she
was loved. She was only twenty nine

804
00:58:13.239 --> 00:58:17.599
years old, and she was a
bridesmaid seventeen times. Tell me she wasn't

805
00:58:17.639 --> 00:58:22.559
a woman's woman, a good friend, seventeen time bridesmaid. But she laid

806
00:58:22.559 --> 00:58:28.360
on the sidewalk of Boylston Street outside
of Marathon Sports with her body ripped apart,

807
00:58:28.719 --> 00:58:30.599
and that's where she died. I
know that was tough to listen to.

808
00:58:30.679 --> 00:58:32.920
I know that's a lot of carnage
and stuff, but I mean that's

809
00:58:32.960 --> 00:58:36.719
the reality of it. That's the
unspeakable part. And that's my job.

810
00:58:37.239 --> 00:58:39.280
You know, when I come to
tell true crime of what people went through,

811
00:58:39.519 --> 00:58:43.639
it's not about the killers, it's
about the victims. And the thing

812
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.559
is, you know, in court, Zokar tried so hard to make people

813
00:58:47.559 --> 00:58:52.840
feel like he didn't care or he
was so unaffected he felt nothing. But

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all I can say is checkmate,
Because whenever the police were shooting you and

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your brother, all they felt was
recoil. The