Jan. 29, 2025

8 Passengers: The Horrific Story of Ruby Franke

8 Passengers: The Horrific Story of Ruby Franke

In this episode, KJ covers the crimes of Ruby Frankie and Jodi Hildebrandt, influencers of the popular “YouTube channel 8 Passengers” revealing child abuse disguised as discipline. 

#8passengers #rubyfranke #jodihildebrandt #unspeakable #podcast...

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Season 7

In this episode, KJ covers the crimes of Ruby Frankie and Jodi Hildebrandt, influencers of the popular “YouTube channel 8 Passengers” revealing child abuse disguised as discipline.

#8passengers #rubyfranke #jodihildebrandt #unspeakable #podcast #crime #criminal #truecrime

Timestamps
03:10 Introducing Ruby Franke
04:46 The Rise of Vlogging
07:46 Ruby and Kevin: A Family Portrait
16:32 The Shift in Ruby's Approach
20:05 Jodi Hildebrandt Enters the Scene
26:41 The Separation Agreement
34:47 The Cult-Like Influence
43:55 Kevin's Alarming Discovery
1:05:59 Disturbing Discoveries
1:11:19 The Journal's Confession
1:26:45 The Aftermath of Arrest

Video, Sound and Editing for this podcast by the podcast experts at Envision Podcast Studios in Denham Springs, LA.
Executive Producer: Jim Chapman

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ here and I'm back and I am not frozen.

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Can you believe it? It's South Louisiana and when we measured,

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we had eight inches of snow in our front yard.

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I cannot believe it. I know a lot of y'all

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are used to that. We're in your neck of the woods.

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Mama's not. We didn't know what to do, We didn't

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know what to wear. The only thing we need to

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do we knew to do was to put a damn

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gumbo on the stove. And that we slayed. But other

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than that, we had the time of our lives. And man,

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that was just crazy. It was a once in a

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lifetime I think event, and I'm just so thrilled to

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be able to talk to you, talk to you about it,

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and if you go on my Patreon, I put some

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photos up so se y'all can see. It's just absolute insanity.

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But I'm excited to be here. I'm excited to be

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in the studio, been writing all week while we were

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all we called it snowed in, but y'all would laugh

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at us up north, But we were snowed in and

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they canceled school and we had a fireplace and it

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was wonderful. So before I get in this episode, though,

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I gotta give some shout outs. Y'all know that's going

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to happen, and so I'm going to start in. I

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think it's Kancho, Kancho Arizona, and it's Kathy Thompson, and Kathy,

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how are you doing over there in Arizona? I bet

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did you have any snow like we did? It was

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just absolute insanity. Thank you so much for joining the Patreon.

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And then in Stockbridge, Georgia, Miranda man Hey, Miranda, I'm

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so thankful to have you as part of my crime

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family as well as Cheyenne. Fetch It Now, I'm not

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sure if this is on Lee Virginia or on Lee Virginia.

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You're gonna have to correct me if I have it wrong.

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But in Virginia, Cheyenne, how are you? How are you

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doing that way? So thankful to have you just like

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you know. It just blows my mind how much people

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support this show, not because I don't think I do

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a good job, but because people just are. They're liking

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the content, and it just it makes my heart just

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swell with pride. I feel like I'm just doing a

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good job. With all of the support that I'm that

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I'm getting, I'm also getting support from someone named Poppy.

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I don't have an address, and I don't have any

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more of a name, but Poppy, wherever you are out there,

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thank you so much. I'm thankful to have you in

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my crime family. And then, but not least for today,

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right here in my home state of Louisiana and slaughter Louisiana,

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I've got miss Cindy Schwartz. Hey, Cindy, how is it going?

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And I know you got some snow? How was it? Girl?

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You gotta write me, you gotta tell me, send some

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pictures because I know that you're just as tickled as

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I am. Now, the episode today is one that's been

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big in the news, and I've had requests for this one,

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so I decided I'd go ahead and knock it out.

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It's kind of gonna go all over the place, but

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I think I've got some really good insight to what

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was going on in this Ruby Frank case. Now, before

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TikTok okay, and before Instagram and all these other major

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platforms that people use today, YouTube was the place to

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go for content. That was the go to check in,

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find the channels that you like, and follow those people

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and subscribe to those channels. It was super easy to

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create your own your own channel at first, and then

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to document everything on your channel, everything from your life

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to science, experience experiments to gaming, whatever you wanted to

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put out there, just like on TikTok but she did

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it on the tube. Now, YouTube was and continues to

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be a multi billion dollar business with reach. If you

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didn't know this, it has reached that surpasses a lot

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of the popular TV stations that are on TV today.

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That's how widespread and we all know what YouTube is,

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but I just you know, it's impressive how many people

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it's able to reach, and this was also going to

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be the place that Ruby Frankie chose to document her

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family life. It was it was awesome for her vlogging

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right video blogging. Vlogging rose to popularity in the early

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two thousands, and she had the personality for it. But

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what was her purpose whenever she created this channel, Well,

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it was raising her family and sharing her tips on parenting,

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amongst many other you know, smaller topics that she would cover. Now.

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Ruby Frankie she was born on January eighteenth, in nineteen

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eighty two, born and raised in Utah, and she was

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raised as a conservative Mormon. In her household, she was

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one of five siblings, so you know, that's a big

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family where I come from. And obviously this upbringing of

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this stricter, you know, household influenced her parenting styles as well.

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And the content that she uploaded for the world to

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see was really a reflection of how she was raised.

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And she decided on the name eight Passengers for her show.

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So she and her husband his name was Kevin, and

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their six children were the stars of the show and

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so the name reflected that perfectly because there was eight

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of them. Everyone was a passenger in the family they

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were hanging on for the fun filled ride in the

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lakeside suburb of Springville, Utah. And that show debuted in

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twenty fifteen. So the show quickly gained popularity and it

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got a massive following because people really seemed to appreciate

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her take on life and on family. Strict parenting, built

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on love and a desire to raise responsible children into

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successful and structured, structured adults. What could be bad about that?

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Homeschooling They talked about that and all of the joys

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that that can bring by keeping your family close, minimizing

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the negative influences that are oftentimes unfortunately experienced in public schooling.

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So many influences that are different maybe from the household

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you're raised in when you go out to a public

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school setting, but you're able to be more controlled in

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a home environment, and those influences can be somewhat limited.

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Her family routines with chores and responsibilities, which also came

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with consequences when the kids didn't obey or didn't follow instructions.

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It really was a structure that a lot of people

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looked up to. Maybe they didn't grow up with that

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type of upbringing, and so to see how it's done

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to learn and to get new ideas from a family

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that seems to be doing it and doing it well.

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It was a good thing, and religion was also involved.

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Usually their stories had some type of moral lesson and

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incorporated into it, and it was all introduced to the

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kids in this fun family type of way, and all

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in all, the content was wholesome and it made people

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feel like they knew they knew the family, and it

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also modeled for others what maybe they were lacking in

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their own homes, giving them ideas of how to improve

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their own family structures if they were needing some help.

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The kids on camera were joyful and energetic, They were

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fun to watch, and their daily shenanigans were documented right

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there for all of the world to see. So what

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was Ruby about. Well, Ruby was a stay at home

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mom and the show really gave her something to dive

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into in a way. She was not only needing something

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to focus on and something to be hers other than

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washing dishes and doing laundry, but not only not only

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did she get that focus, but then there was a

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really really upside to this, and that was that she

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was able to add to their family's income doing what

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she loved. She was a pretty woman, too, very pretty.

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She's in her forties, she has blonde hair, a very

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thin build, she's got narrow facial features, a thousand watt smile,

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well put together, and she just has this I guess,

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elegance about her or this, I don't know what it is,

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something about her that just is lovely, A modest dresser,

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a woman of God, as she would always put out there.

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And so many people looked up to her influence as

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the mother of her household. And that's a lot of

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kids to be in charge of and to take care

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of daily, so she must be doing something right. He

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was also from Utah and a very involved husband in

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their household and in their life. His children were his world.

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He adored his wife and he was a very good daddy.

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He was also educated and you know, a real catch. Honestly,

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if you look at him, he's got it going on.

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He was a geotechnical engineer by trade. He worked as

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an associate professor at Brigham Young University and his focus

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was civil engineering. And he seemed to be from all

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the videos and pictures and things I was able to

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find of him online, he seemed to be a very

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engaging instructor as well. He would go outdoors and do

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things with his students, like flying drones, and he would

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document it. He just seemed very engaged in what these

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kids are. These kids, these older students were learning in

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his classroom. And he's a handsome guy too. He matched

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Ruby on that level. He's also in his forties, often

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sporting a clean cut look. He was bald shaving his

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head in what I would say is that typical thing

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that men eventually go through when their hair starts thinning

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and they don't want to have the receiving or the

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balding look, so they just shave their head. But he

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looked nice in it. He sported that short beard that

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was well manicured. He had brown hair with the peakings

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of some gray showing through. A mature dad but not

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scared at all to flip that hat around backwards, throw

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on some aviator sunglasses and enjoy the great outdoors. So

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he was a fun guy and very mild mannered though.

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Everything I saw and heard of him very mild mannered

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and calm. He doesn't get easily riled up. He's a thinker,

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you know, and more on the subdued side. But Ruby

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and Kevin's children. I am telling you what a beautiful,

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beautiful bunch of kids. Their names were Sherry, Chad, Abby,

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Julie Russell, and Eve. And by the way, I want

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to put this out there, their names and this story

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have been shared publicly on a plethora of platforms and

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in the news and everywhere. So there's nothing that I'm

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telling you right now or exposing about them that has

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not already been made public. So I'm not over here,

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you know, doxing children, as some people might would claim

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in a weird way, you know, against me. So all

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of the pictures that you see of these of this

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family smiling big huge grins and a perfect mix of

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their parents were all of these children when you look

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at them. Anyone who saw this family just knew they

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were living the American dream and they were killing it.

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They were the people with the khaki pants and the

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white shirts and pictures on the beach type family. Everything

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coordinated and thought out and well planned. And the pictures

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that you see often reflected their strong bond and their

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love for one another. As they headed out to church

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events or other occasions that they would go out for,

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and the girls would be in these modest age appropriate

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dresses with braids and bows, and the boys in sport

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coats and belts, nice ties. Their hair would be gelled,

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very very well taken care of. Kids literally the image

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of what you would find I think on magazine covers,

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like parenting magazine covers. They're just beautiful and with their

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parents leading the way and setting the examples for their lives,

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these kids were destined to be the best of the best.

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So while Kevin wasn't usually in the forefront of the

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eight Passenger videos, he was in there, but the kids

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really became the central content of the show over time.

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And as with anyone who's gonna gain any sort of following,

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there's always gonna be people who disagree with you. It

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just comes with the territory. You're never gonna be everyone's

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cup of tea, but the same people that disagree with you,

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I guess I'll say this, As much as people might

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agree with you, it's the people that disagree with you

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that are gonna be the loudest. Your haters are gonna

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be the ones that want to scream the loudest in

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your face and make sure that you know that you

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suck and you're terrible. And they don't like the way

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that you do things, and they're gonna do all of

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this behind the safety of that little clickity click keyboard,

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aren't they. It just always seems to go that way,

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and it just comes with the territory, guys. I mean,

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to be even doing a podcast like this, you have

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to have thick skin. And it's like a requirement. If

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you're gonna put yourself out there, you've got to learn

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to have thick skin because there's everyone's a buttthole every

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now and then, and they're gonna come after you. So

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Ruby wasn't immune to this either. Even though she was

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doing her best to put the best of her life

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out there and the best of her family out there,

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people still sometimes weren't happy with what they saw. People

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did begin to comment on how some of her tactics

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in discipline seemed a bit much, and I didn't want

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to glaze over this. I wanted to kind of give

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you some examples. So, for example, her son Chad, Chad's

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one of the older kids of the six. At one

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point in the show, it was noticeable that he no

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longer was sleeping in a bedroom in a bed, he

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was actually sleeping on a bean bag. And this was

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for months, and whenever this was brought up, you know,

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why is they sleeping on a bean bag? Ruby was

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upfront and notice, look, it's punishment for behavior. He was

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pranking his siblings. But that pranking was she deemed it

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to be mean, not funny, ranking and it was so

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bad that she said, all right, well you're going to

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sleep on the bean bag. You're not going to go

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in the room with your with your sibling. You're going

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to continue to harass them over and over and over again.

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One time she also took away what she called the

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quote unquote privilege of eating dinner from her son two

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of her sons, Chad and Russell, whenever they were wrestling

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in the house. And in another instance, the youngest child,

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her name is Eve, she was sleeping on the bathroom

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floor after she wet the bed. And I don't agree

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with that type of thing. I mean, I can understand

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the kids sleeping on a big old bean bag. I mean,

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if they won't quit me in a butthole to their sibling,

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But I'm never going to take food away from my kids.

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That's not to me a punishment tool that sounds more

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torturous than punishment and case in point. There is another

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time in an episode, Ruby was refusing to bring lunch

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to her six year old Eve, six year old Eve

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because she forgot it at home. And I mean I

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kind of was like, wait, what, she's six, like she's little,

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but she openly vlogged about it, and she would saying, look,

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the teacher even messaged me saying that she's uncomfortable with

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my child being hungry, but my daughter has to learn

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a lesson and I'm sorry if that makes the teacher uncomfortable.

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But if you're not gonna remember your lunch, then you're

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not gonna eat. But then she said something along the

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lines of I hope no one gives her anything to

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eat while she's there. And you know, I don't like that.

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I'm just gonna say it. I don't like that at all.

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You need food. You can't learn if you're hungry. I

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don't think food again, I don't think food should ever

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be a punishment tool. Do you know on that note,

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do you know how many times I have shared my

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own lunch at school with teenagers, not six year olds.

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Teenagers they didn't bring food on purpose, they didn't feel

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like making a lunch that day, okay, But you know,

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food to me is a love language, it's not a

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punishment language. And so like every time I ever went

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to my grandmother's house, she's always trying to feed me,

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even if I wasn't hungry. You eat something, eat something,

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so I just don't. I could see why people would

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be upset about this, that you don't deny food. That's

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something you just don't do. And certainly these smaller instances

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don't equate to like beating a child or stabbing them

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or something, but it is absolutely something that was turning

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some heads because this is not how most of us

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would dole out punishment to our own children. And the

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show had been going strong for about five years, but

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the cracks and the veneers really began to show, and

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even devoted followers started to question some of the show's antics.

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And let me tell you how successful the channel had

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nearly two million subscribers at one point two million, so

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she had to have been doing something right. But I'm

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telling you, with time and the more she posted, people

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really began to question how unfair these punishments had become.

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And the pushback wasn't something that Ruby wanted. Obviously, nobody

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wants pushback if they think what they're doing is right.

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And initially she defended her family aggressively on why they

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did what they did and gave explanations and this, that

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and the other. But by twenty twenty, Ruby just wasn't

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interested in fighting the fight anymore. She deleted her eight

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passengers channel and decided that she wanted to go a

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completely different route. Maybe call it like a rebrand of sorts,

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but her plan was to join up with a new

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and trusted friend named Jody Hildebrandt. Jody was about the

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same age as Ruby at this point. They're both in

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their late forties, and she is an educated woman. She definitely, though,

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gives off a Melissa Etheridge vibe, if you know who

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that is. And while I don't know this for sure,

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I'm being completely transparent with you. I don't know this

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for sure. I just got the feeling that Jody probably

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wears a lot of plaid shorts down to her knee

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and probably drove a Subaru. You know, That's kind of

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the vibe I got from Jody. If you're slipping in

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what I'm dripping here, But again, that's just kind of

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how I took her whenever I was looking at her.

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So she was a licensed clinical mental health counselor in Utah.

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She got her associate's clinical mental health counselor license in

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May of two thousand and three, and then she became

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a clinical mental health counselor in July two thousand and five.

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So she had the education and she had the time in,

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and her credentials alone lend themselves to her ability to

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understand not only human thoughts and behaviors, but also their

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response to certain stimuli or certain triggers. And so she

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was doing well professionally, very well professionally, and she had

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founded a life coaching and counseling organization that she called

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Connections Classroom. But it wasn't connections like the typical spelling.

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It was like co n n e x ions Connections Classroom.

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And the program really aligned with what Ruby felt was

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the appropriate teachings for her kids. So they really bonded

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in a sense over that type of content. And the

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premise of all of the Connections Classroom was that people

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should have a strict moral principle about them and it

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promoted extreme accountability for what you do. So Jody was

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working with couples and families as part of her practice,

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and so her focus was on helping these families with issues,

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and these issues were usually things like addiction, self improvement,

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and relationships and any struggles between them and their relationships.

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So Ruby and Jody began working together to promote that

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Connections podcast as well as another social media show that

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they were doing called Moms of Truth and the Connections Program.

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I went and I looked it up because I wanted

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to get more insight to this and the Connections program

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as detailed on our website, it aims to core or

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to assert core teachings. Those core teachings of impeccable honesty,

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rigorous personal responsibility, and then humility. And to me, that's great.

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That sounds wonderful. To be as honest as possible, to

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be absolutely taking responsibility for your actions or your inactions,

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and then to be able to express humility and to

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show humility in times that you may not do right.

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That sounds great. I'm right on board with that. Now, obviously,

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people are going to put their best foot forward online.

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It's it's we all know this, we should know this

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by now. Okay, people are only going to show their

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life highlight and people are only going to talk about

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the things that they are doing the best. Something that

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I read before that I made total sense is that

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when you're looking at social media, quit comparing your backstage

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to their front stage production, because you're not seeing all

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of everybody's struggles and problems and all of that. And

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it just makes so much sense. Most of us don't

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run to social media to put our behind the scenes

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out there, your dirty laundry, a messy kitchen and fighting

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all of that. It doesn't make for a good image

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and a home where being in control and parenting or

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you're claim to fame such as Ruby's work. I mean, hell, y'all, really,

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come on, now, we all friends here, We all got

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bs in our lives. Half of us have people in

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our families who are just absolutely dysfunctional. We know this,

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but we all pretend it's not. And it's really absurd

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if you think about it. All of us are dysfunctional

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on some level. And I don't know about you, but

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in the world we live in today, authenticity is something

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that I crave in people like, let's just be so real,

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you know, with one another. But we're not getting that.

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Young people are not getting that, and sadly, if we

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don't teach this to them, that the Kardashians is fake,

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it's scripted, and that all of these quote unquote reality

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shows and all of these influencers. Come on, y'all, look around,

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walk outside, look at the life that you're living, and

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that's the reality you're in. Quit comparing yourself to these

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other people's, you know, lives and then the fakeness that's

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out there. Well why did I find this important to

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the story to explain all that to you? Well? What

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if I told you that there was more than just

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a little struggle that was going on behind closed doors

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in the Frankie household. What I mean is that Ruby

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and Kevin's marriage had begun having problems about the time

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that the two women started working together consistently on their

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Connections and Moms of Truth projects. Kevin he felt like

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the problems really began when Jody came into the picture.

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But Ruby felt like, maybe that's not the case. It's

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that maybe we could actually really benefit from counseling. Maybe

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you and I need to work some stuff out together,

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and we could use her counseling to work these problems out.

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And so Jody did do some counseling with the Frankies,

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but things only seemed to just deteriorate more and more

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and more. Eventually it got so I guess bad You

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would say that Kevin left the home when Jody suggested

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it and said, hey, maybe it would help if there

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was some separation between you two, maybe you should leave.

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And then Ruby did also herself say hey, I think

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you should go. I think we do need this break

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between us. We need some space. And you know, maybe

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a separation was what they needed. Who knows, you know,

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I wasn't there in the house. They were just going

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off of what they knew from there behind the scenes.

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So July twenty fourth of twenty twenty two is the

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day that he moved out of their marital home, which

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was just about their twenty second year of being married.

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And they had been happily married up until recently, twenty

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two years of getting along, twenty two years of devotion

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to one another, twenty two years of raising children together

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and figuring it out, but it just had there needed

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to be a break, and they didn't know, y'all. They

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had so much respect for one another at this time

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that they didn't go to the court route either. They

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didn't jump in like a lot of us do, and

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everyone gets an attorney and we're gonna fight over this,

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that and the other. No, they didn't do that. They

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wanted this to be more of a spiritual journey of

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healing during a separation than it was, like I don't

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like you, you don't like me. Let's not be around

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one another. So Ruby asked him, you know, will you

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work on yourself. And while you're working on yourself and

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I'm working on myself, let's have no contact. In the meantime.

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This wasn't legal. I don't want you. I don't want

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to make you think that there was a legal order

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of no contact. No, it was just their agreement let's

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not talk or have contact. It was just a personal

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request that she had and he honored it. They called

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it their no contact boundary, is what Ruby called it,

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and he honored that. He said, sure, I'm willing to

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do that. I want to work this out. I want

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to repair our family and our problems that we're having.

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Kevin Frankie, though even though he agreed to that, he

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did continue to play a very important role in the

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family dynamic. At this point, he was the sole financial

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provider for his family and they had six kids. Don't

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forget that part. Whenever they stopped their really successful eight

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passenger show that resulted in them losing ninety percent of

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their income that they had been accustomed to for the

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past few years. And so, understanding this huge reduction in money,

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Kevin took his job now of providing financially very serious.

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He went to work and he was making the money,

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but he backed off as far as the physical caretaking

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of the children. And it wasn't as if it he's

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a deadbeat dad. I don't want to look like that.

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It's just that this was their agreement and their marriage.

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She would physically take care of the children. He would

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financially take care of the children and the family, and

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they kind of worked together in that way, even though

464
00:26:17.039 --> 00:26:19.920
they didn't talk at all. He paid all of the

465
00:26:19.920 --> 00:26:22.240
bills because all of his money went into a shared

466
00:26:22.279 --> 00:26:25.880
bank account that Ruby had access to, and she would

467
00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:27.680
pay the bills and use the money and take care

468
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:30.519
of the kids. But she didn't want him not only

469
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.440
having no contact with her, Ruby also said, I don't

470
00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:37.119
want you having contact with the children. Now. This would

471
00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:42.279
go on for a whole year no contact, and I

472
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.279
got to address this. While I know this sounds strange

473
00:26:45.559 --> 00:26:47.480
that he complied with that, because there's no way my

474
00:26:47.559 --> 00:26:49.440
husband's going to go a year without seeing his kids.

475
00:26:49.759 --> 00:26:51.519
No way, I'm telling you, I know the man, there's

476
00:26:51.559 --> 00:26:55.480
no way. Even though he complied giving away his money

477
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.400
to his wife who wants him gone, and not seeing

478
00:26:58.480 --> 00:27:03.039
his kids for a year, I think it wasn't that

479
00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.240
he didn't want to see them. I think Kevin was

480
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.839
a religious man. I think he did have a good

481
00:27:09.039 --> 00:27:12.720
moral compass, but I feel like he may have been

482
00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:17.440
gravely manipulated in this situation. He's wanting to fight for

483
00:27:17.480 --> 00:27:19.359
his family and he's willing to do anything he can

484
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.519
to fix what's going on in the family. But the

485
00:27:22.559 --> 00:27:28.599
manipulation to this point was big, and by this I

486
00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:33.759
mean like cult level big. Hear me out, Okay, let

487
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:37.279
me explain some classic cult behavior to you if you're

488
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.079
not familiar with it, so you'll get what where I'm

489
00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:44.200
coming from. So, at its core, a cult always uses

490
00:27:44.640 --> 00:27:49.680
coercive techniques to manipulate and then ultimately control its people.

491
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:54.000
And it's commonplace too that that technique is going to

492
00:27:54.039 --> 00:27:57.680
be disguised with some type of either religiousness or a

493
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:02.759
spiritual enlightenment. Pathway that this person has to go through

494
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.240
for them to achieve personal growth. So how is this

495
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:10.720
growth going to be achieved? You would ask, Well, if

496
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.440
they can take away a person's sense of individuality and

497
00:28:14.519 --> 00:28:19.480
steer them towards unwavering devotion to the leader of the

498
00:28:20.119 --> 00:28:24.839
cult for their guidance and all of that. If it's

499
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.759
just unwavering devotion to the leader who has the answers,

500
00:28:28.200 --> 00:28:30.680
then they will achieve their growth by following what the

501
00:28:30.759 --> 00:28:34.400
leader tells them. And y'all, nobody joins a cult and says, hey,

502
00:28:34.440 --> 00:28:36.839
I'm off to join the cult. Nobody does that. That's

503
00:28:36.880 --> 00:28:41.200
not how it works. It's these tools of manipulation get

504
00:28:41.240 --> 00:28:43.640
people to buy in. I mean, think about all the

505
00:28:43.680 --> 00:28:47.640
people that drink the kool aid. Okay, this is not crazy.

506
00:28:47.960 --> 00:28:50.799
It is crazy, but it's not so crazy that it

507
00:28:50.799 --> 00:28:52.960
doesn't happen I guess, is what I'm trying to say.

508
00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:55.680
So to understand what happened here and why I think

509
00:28:55.720 --> 00:28:58.480
this about what happened with Kevin, you have to care

510
00:28:58.880 --> 00:29:02.599
about power and manipulation in cult tactics because the number

511
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:04.279
one thing that they do is the same thing that

512
00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:08.960
abusers and relationships do. It's love. Bombing. So this person

513
00:29:09.839 --> 00:29:13.839
or this leader is going to shower the person that

514
00:29:13.839 --> 00:29:16.559
they want to bring in with attention. They're going to

515
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.720
praise them, you know, and tell them how great they're doing,

516
00:29:18.759 --> 00:29:20.759
how wonderful they are, and they're going to have this

517
00:29:20.880 --> 00:29:25.799
warm and welcoming response to the person that they're interested

518
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:28.519
in having come into their cult. So once a person

519
00:29:28.880 --> 00:29:31.759
is drawn in, okay, because they've been love bombed, and

520
00:29:31.759 --> 00:29:34.640
they feel so accepted and understood, that's when the cult

521
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:39.559
will begin to isolate them from any external influences. Those

522
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:44.000
external influences would be family and friends and even news okay,

523
00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:48.279
even news sources or any any way that they could

524
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:51.519
gradually cut you off from the outside world of where

525
00:29:51.559 --> 00:29:56.240
normalcy or generalize normalcy is going on, and what happens

526
00:29:56.240 --> 00:29:59.119
there when they when they can separate you and isolate you,

527
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:04.440
is then that person feels entirely dependent on that group

528
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:08.519
for not only information, but for emotional support because think

529
00:30:08.559 --> 00:30:11.160
about it, they've been isolated from everybody else. They've made

530
00:30:11.200 --> 00:30:13.160
everybody else tired of dealing with them, or they won't

531
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.240
talk to them, or they've cut them off, and so

532
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:20.240
this isolation serves a dual purpose. It prevents critical voices

533
00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.160
or anyone who might look at what's going on and go,

534
00:30:23.240 --> 00:30:24.880
you know, I don't know if that's how that should go.

535
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:30.079
It takes those people and it prevents them from being

536
00:30:30.119 --> 00:30:32.160
able to question what's going on number one, and then

537
00:30:32.200 --> 00:30:36.920
number two, it then reinforces the cults worldview as the

538
00:30:36.960 --> 00:30:41.440
only valid perspective that that individual would have, and so

539
00:30:41.599 --> 00:30:45.200
cults are often going to restrict access to outside information

540
00:30:45.759 --> 00:30:50.720
by labeling it as dangerous or impure. I know you've

541
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:53.160
seen this before on television, or you've watched some type

542
00:30:53.160 --> 00:30:56.359
of documentary that explains this you have to have. If not, hey,

543
00:30:56.480 --> 00:30:59.079
let me be your guide. Okay, So now that we've

544
00:30:59.119 --> 00:31:01.160
got the isolation, and then we're trying to say that

545
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.599
it's dangerous or impure for you to even be entertaining

546
00:31:03.599 --> 00:31:06.720
these other people's thoughts are questioning. That's when they start

547
00:31:06.759 --> 00:31:10.720
the behavior modification techniques, and through a system of basically

548
00:31:10.920 --> 00:31:14.119
reward and punishment, the cults are then going to be

549
00:31:14.160 --> 00:31:18.720
able to shape and manipulate their members' behaviors to align

550
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:21.920
with what the group's expectations are. Remember that group that's

551
00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:24.799
off to the side, that has no external influences on it,

552
00:31:25.279 --> 00:31:27.799
and some are really subtle. Some of the tactics are

553
00:31:27.839 --> 00:31:29.920
super subtle, while other ones are going to be right

554
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:33.119
in your face, super in your face forms of control.

555
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:35.759
And so those common examples I can give you of

556
00:31:35.799 --> 00:31:40.240
that is they'll do public shaming and deprivation of things

557
00:31:40.279 --> 00:31:45.799
that people need. So the public shaming, though, is done

558
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:49.160
so that it instills a level of guilt or fear

559
00:31:49.319 --> 00:31:51.119
into its members. And I know you're like, Kelly, why

560
00:31:51.119 --> 00:31:52.640
are you going off on cults right now? Well, listen

561
00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:54.400
to me, because it's going to pay play a huge

562
00:31:54.480 --> 00:31:58.480
role in what's to come. Huge. Okay. If a person

563
00:31:59.640 --> 00:32:03.319
can be shamed and feel guilt and then they'll start

564
00:32:03.319 --> 00:32:07.079
feeling really inadequate, then they won't want to leave. Why

565
00:32:07.119 --> 00:32:10.119
wouldn't they want to leave? Because they need the group

566
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.039
and the leader that they're devoted to to quote show

567
00:32:13.079 --> 00:32:16.400
them the way. It's the only way that they will

568
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:18.640
be able to reach that enlightenment that they were trying

569
00:32:18.640 --> 00:32:21.039
to gain in the first place. And so they're often

570
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.000
left with these people that are in a constant state

571
00:32:24.039 --> 00:32:27.160
of self doubt. They stop trusting their own judgment. Doesn't

572
00:32:27.160 --> 00:32:30.400
that sound also like abused spouses where they're like I

573
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.079
don't know if I can make these decisions. I don't

574
00:32:32.119 --> 00:32:34.880
know if I can do this, And over time, the

575
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:41.319
techniques can fundamentally alter and individual's personality and decision making

576
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:45.519
where you don't even recognize who they are. Okay, So

577
00:32:45.559 --> 00:32:47.440
now that I've explained that to you on a really

578
00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:49.599
micro level, I mean, it's so much bigger than that.

579
00:32:49.720 --> 00:32:53.279
But let's look at what Jodie's teachings and her therapy

580
00:32:53.599 --> 00:32:55.400
consisted of. Because remember I did tell you some of

581
00:32:55.400 --> 00:32:58.839
it which sounded good, just the humility and impeccable honesty

582
00:32:58.839 --> 00:33:02.759
and all of that. But Jody's teachings focused on the

583
00:33:02.799 --> 00:33:07.559
fact that a person cannot achieve a true quote unquote

584
00:33:07.599 --> 00:33:12.359
connection with another human being if they are in what

585
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:17.240
she called distortion, and so distortion meant a ton of

586
00:33:17.279 --> 00:33:20.599
things in her teachings. It could be addiction, like to

587
00:33:20.720 --> 00:33:27.279
social media or hobbies or entertainment. It could be feeling

588
00:33:27.319 --> 00:33:31.039
like you're not enough, being codependent in your own relationships.

589
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:35.960
She even said that living in lust was distortion. Now

590
00:33:36.000 --> 00:33:37.880
to this point, I could say, yeah, you shouldn't lust,

591
00:33:37.920 --> 00:33:39.319
that's not a good thing. You don't want to lust

592
00:33:39.319 --> 00:33:41.599
after people. But what was weird about it to me

593
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:45.640
was that Jody said being sexually attracted to your spouse

594
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:51.240
was distortion. Well, baby, I'm gonna be distorted to the

595
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:54.519
end of time because Blake Jennings is freaking my hunka

596
00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:57.200
burn and love. Call me distorted. Get me a T

597
00:33:57.319 --> 00:34:01.000
shirt with that on it, okay, because mama likes what

598
00:34:01.039 --> 00:34:04.279
she married. So I found that to be bizarre that

599
00:34:04.279 --> 00:34:07.200
that was the route she took. I understand strangers, but

600
00:34:07.279 --> 00:34:11.119
your spouse, sorry, don't marry a hunka burn in love

601
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.400
if you don't want to be attracted to them. And

602
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:18.639
then the other thing was that you're in distortion if

603
00:34:18.679 --> 00:34:22.360
you're trying to manipulate other people. So the thing though

604
00:34:22.719 --> 00:34:24.599
about these teachings, and there was more than that. I

605
00:34:24.679 --> 00:34:27.119
just pulled some of it out of her website. But

606
00:34:27.159 --> 00:34:29.559
the thing about that was that Jody then asserts that

607
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:35.400
everyone is in distortion. So basically, we're all messed up

608
00:34:35.559 --> 00:34:41.199
if we don't go through her program. So she encouraged

609
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:44.920
clients to invite their own family members to join the

610
00:34:45.039 --> 00:34:48.960
sessions whenever she was coaching them. And part of these

611
00:34:48.960 --> 00:34:53.079
sessions is that she would have weekly meetings and the

612
00:34:53.119 --> 00:34:57.679
program would require that clients would be required to call

613
00:34:57.920 --> 00:35:02.239
other clients, like all them out for being in distortion.

614
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:04.039
So like we're in a circle group and we have

615
00:35:04.119 --> 00:35:06.679
to call each other out and say, you're doing this wrong. Well,

616
00:35:06.719 --> 00:35:08.800
I think you're doing this wrong. Well I feel like

617
00:35:08.840 --> 00:35:12.480
you did this wrong. And you know, damn, I've seen

618
00:35:12.519 --> 00:35:14.440
doctor Phil and that doesn't sound like a good idea.

619
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:18.280
IM I'm no expert, but damn, especially whenever it's not

620
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:21.639
like your close friends and family, it's other people just

621
00:35:21.679 --> 00:35:25.119
trying to get counseling like shit. So but you would

622
00:35:25.119 --> 00:35:28.159
have to call everybody out, and to me, that would

623
00:35:28.159 --> 00:35:31.280
be public shaming. But to Jody, she didn't see it

624
00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:35.519
that way. Jody taught that her her teachings were absolute.

625
00:35:36.159 --> 00:35:39.519
The issue that becomes this though, when an untrained person

626
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:42.639
who is not a mental health specialist or anything like that,

627
00:35:42.960 --> 00:35:48.000
when they call out someone else about their problems, and

628
00:35:48.239 --> 00:35:50.800
then these people aren't trained on how to mitigate issues.

629
00:35:50.880 --> 00:35:53.639
And we've got i'm gonna say broken people, but you

630
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:55.639
know what I mean, No one's broken, but people with

631
00:35:55.679 --> 00:35:57.400
troubles calling each other out. I'm sure you can see

632
00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.960
how that could turn into a shit show really fast. Okay,

633
00:36:00.039 --> 00:36:04.880
it could turn sour. And when people outside of the sessions,

634
00:36:04.960 --> 00:36:08.119
like family members or people who weren't part of these

635
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.159
these therapy sessions, when they would call into question her

636
00:36:12.239 --> 00:36:14.920
teachings and why were you calling other people out and

637
00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:17.760
why are they doing this? Jody would then turn to

638
00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:20.880
her clients and say, see, it's because those other people

639
00:36:20.880 --> 00:36:26.039
are in distortion. They're in distortion, and so the followers

640
00:36:26.719 --> 00:36:28.840
of the teachings are now going to be told that

641
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:32.480
they're loved. Ones who are questioning the teachings are the

642
00:36:32.559 --> 00:36:36.719
ones that are emotionally abusive, verbally abusive. They're not humble,

643
00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.679
they're not honest. Do you see the cycle of how

644
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.159
it's just manipulating people who are looking for help, and

645
00:36:43.199 --> 00:36:46.840
it's just manipulating what's going on here. So this implies

646
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:51.159
that your spouse or your close friends or people who

647
00:36:51.320 --> 00:36:58.039
love you that they're calling into questioning the therapy that

648
00:36:58.119 --> 00:37:03.320
you are receiving makes them the problem in the relationship,

649
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:06.679
not you them, And then Jody would impress upon you

650
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:10.239
the need to set strict boundaries to keep that person

651
00:37:10.360 --> 00:37:13.760
at a distance because they are in distortion. Doesn't that

652
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.920
sound really familiar with regard to the cult info that

653
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:21.320
I shared earlier because understanding this really opened my eyes

654
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:23.159
to how what I'm about to tell you goes on

655
00:37:23.519 --> 00:37:26.960
came to be. Now, let me add in some more

656
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:31.360
information about why Kevin left the house. After Jody's counseling

657
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:34.880
of Ruby and Kevin, he was led to believe that

658
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:38.840
he had mistreated his wife Ruby. Now this was not physical,

659
00:37:38.880 --> 00:37:40.760
I don't want to go that way. This was like

660
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:46.679
they were led to believe that he was emotionally mistreating Ruby.

661
00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:50.320
And he also was led to believe that he likely

662
00:37:50.360 --> 00:37:53.800
had a pornography addiction and that he needed to fix

663
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:57.119
this before his family could be put back together. I e.

664
00:37:57.599 --> 00:38:00.320
He was the main problem. Do you see how it's

665
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.840
all lining up here? And it sure sounds to me,

666
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.079
just an outsider looking in. It sure sounds to me

667
00:38:08.480 --> 00:38:10.920
like Kevin was convinced that he was in so called

668
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:14.159
distortion although they had been happily married for twenty years

669
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:18.760
before meeting Jody, and that he should feel ashamed. Ruby's

670
00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.440
exact wording to him was that they needed to have

671
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:24.480
a no contact boundary. If you recall, I was very

672
00:38:24.480 --> 00:38:28.000
clear in her wording. So it sure fits the model

673
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.320
of cult like teachings, and to question it would make

674
00:38:31.440 --> 00:38:34.199
Kevin go against the very teachings they were trying to

675
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:38.400
gain enlightenment through together. So it was also interesting to

676
00:38:38.440 --> 00:38:42.360
me that Ruby would stop their eight passengers channel and

677
00:38:42.400 --> 00:38:45.960
team up with Jody, which rapidly reduced their income by

678
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:50.719
ninety percent. This massive financial reduction. Do you think that

679
00:38:50.800 --> 00:38:53.039
maybe that was some type of control tactic on behalf

680
00:38:53.039 --> 00:38:56.119
of Jody. It's sure food for thought, because you know,

681
00:38:56.159 --> 00:38:58.039
in cults, the first thing they do is strip you

682
00:38:58.079 --> 00:39:01.480
of all your quote unquote material need your money. Yeah,

683
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.039
h but Jody was an expert in her field, and

684
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:09.159
her teachings aligned with the spiritual desires of the Frankies

685
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:12.719
to be enlightened. And knowing this, there's something else about

686
00:39:12.719 --> 00:39:15.599
cults that come to mind, and it's a charismatic leader.

687
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.800
You have to have a charismatic leader because if not,

688
00:39:19.239 --> 00:39:22.239
people don't want to follow them. If you're charismatic, people

689
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:26.920
want to follow you. So here's another case in point

690
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:32.079
for that. Even after Kevin left the marital home and

691
00:39:32.239 --> 00:39:36.159
gave over all of his income to Ruby, it still

692
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.960
wasn't enough. Ruby decided she would be leaving the marital

693
00:39:41.000 --> 00:39:44.800
home too, So she's got four of her six kids

694
00:39:44.800 --> 00:39:46.400
that live with her. The two older ones had already

695
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:51.360
moved out, so where would she be going? Well, what

696
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.519
do you know? Jody had plenty of room at her

697
00:39:55.719 --> 00:40:01.719
ten thousand square foot, multi million dollar house, and she

698
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.880
welcomed Ruby and her children with open arms to live

699
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:08.320
with her. So my gut tells me at this point

700
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.639
we have cult like influences and I'm gonna go here.

701
00:40:11.920 --> 00:40:15.199
But I also think that Jody may have looked at

702
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:19.760
Ruby as a possible love interest. I'm just telling you

703
00:40:19.760 --> 00:40:24.039
what I'm seeing. Remember I told you Jody gives off

704
00:40:24.039 --> 00:40:27.280
a certain vibe. She had never been married before, and

705
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:30.360
it seems a lot to take on just out of

706
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:33.880
the goodness of your heart. What therapist do you know

707
00:40:34.239 --> 00:40:38.719
that wants their clients moving in with them. I understand

708
00:40:38.760 --> 00:40:42.079
being devoted to your job, but damn, I wouldn't want

709
00:40:42.159 --> 00:40:44.440
people I'm therapies and coming and living with me. I

710
00:40:44.440 --> 00:40:46.639
think most of us would probably agree with that. It

711
00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:48.840
just seems super convenient to me that the man of

712
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:52.320
the house is wedged out and then to have the

713
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:56.039
whole family move in with you, even though they have

714
00:40:56.119 --> 00:41:00.199
a perfectly good house where he is supporting them. I mean,

715
00:41:00.199 --> 00:41:03.920
come on, y'all seriously, come on, Come on. Either way,

716
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.400
a year would pass with no reconciliation between the strained couple,

717
00:41:09.639 --> 00:41:12.400
and part of the agreement between the two was that

718
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.639
if they had to communicate, which there shouldn't have been

719
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:17.239
any communication, but if they had to, they would only

720
00:41:17.239 --> 00:41:20.599
communicate via text unless it was an emergency, and in

721
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:23.840
an emergency then they would speak on the phone. So

722
00:41:24.039 --> 00:41:27.880
on the morning of August thirtieth, Kevin got up and

723
00:41:27.920 --> 00:41:30.239
he went to work like a normal day when he

724
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:32.280
received a call that he needed to head to the

725
00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:37.320
police station to pick up his kids. Clearly, this alarmed him.

726
00:41:37.519 --> 00:41:40.760
This must be an emergency, so he left work immediately

727
00:41:40.800 --> 00:41:43.119
when he was notified to go get the kids, and

728
00:41:43.159 --> 00:41:45.039
he figured, let me go get him. I'll be bringing

729
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:49.280
them home with me. And although he wasn't given much

730
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:51.880
information when he got the phone call as to what

731
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:54.039
the circumstances were, he still was going to rush and

732
00:41:54.039 --> 00:41:55.639
go pick up the kids, even though he hadn't seen

733
00:41:55.679 --> 00:41:59.159
him in a year. Once he got there and started

734
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.920
talking to the police, they verified, look, who has custody

735
00:42:02.960 --> 00:42:05.000
of your kids? You or your wife, and they were

736
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:08.480
able to verify that there was no custodial paperwork in place,

737
00:42:08.599 --> 00:42:11.679
and that this was just an agreement between two people

738
00:42:11.679 --> 00:42:14.800
who were separated on their own and so they were like, okay, cool,

739
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:17.679
so the children can be released to you, and he's like, yes,

740
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:22.920
I'd like to take my kids. Well, after he says that,

741
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:25.960
and he says I'd like my kids, that's whenever he said,

742
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:27.840
can I just get a little bit more information though,

743
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:31.760
about what's going on? And the police read him his rights.

744
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:35.920
Now they didn't arrest him, but they read him his rights,

745
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:40.480
and as anyone would be, Kevin was feeling super alarmed

746
00:42:40.480 --> 00:42:43.800
about this, and so he became kind of cautious and

747
00:42:43.840 --> 00:42:45.679
hesitant to speak because he didn't know why he had

748
00:42:45.719 --> 00:42:47.480
just been read his rights, like I'm just here to

749
00:42:47.519 --> 00:42:51.159
get my kids. But the police started asking him basic

750
00:42:51.239 --> 00:42:54.599
questions and he would answer them. He wasn't not answering them,

751
00:42:54.760 --> 00:42:57.599
but you could tell he was super unsure about what

752
00:42:57.840 --> 00:43:00.000
was going on. The questions were like, when's the last

753
00:43:00.119 --> 00:43:02.320
time you saw your kids, and he explained it had

754
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.440
been a year. When was the last time you talked

755
00:43:04.880 --> 00:43:07.559
or saw Ruby And he said, well, we've only spoken

756
00:43:07.639 --> 00:43:11.760
four times in twenty twenty three. We rarely speak he said,

757
00:43:11.800 --> 00:43:15.280
I did see her recently, but that's because all of

758
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:17.599
the cars are in my name, and she wanted me

759
00:43:17.679 --> 00:43:20.039
to sign over the title to her vehicle, so I

760
00:43:20.119 --> 00:43:21.719
was willing to meet her to sign over the car

761
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.119
to her. Important to note he never tried to take

762
00:43:25.159 --> 00:43:27.840
anything away from her, If anything, he was willing to give.

763
00:43:28.360 --> 00:43:32.639
He wanted to fix his family. So you kind of

764
00:43:32.679 --> 00:43:35.280
get the feeling to this point, or I did that

765
00:43:35.840 --> 00:43:38.639
Kevin really didn't have a good grasp about what was

766
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:42.039
going on in his family in this moment. So when

767
00:43:42.159 --> 00:43:45.000
asked why they separated, he says it's because of the

768
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:47.039
ways he treated his wife and because he had an

769
00:43:47.039 --> 00:43:51.119
addiction to pornography. And the cops are very like, oh,

770
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.079
thank you so much for being upfront and honest with us.

771
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.400
It's making our job a lot easier. And he said that,

772
00:43:57.599 --> 00:44:01.280
you know, Jody saw for me to saw the need

773
00:44:01.280 --> 00:44:03.880
for me to go get help, and so I'm trying

774
00:44:03.920 --> 00:44:07.440
to face down my own demons and get support and

775
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.880
she's trying to better herself too, and so we're just

776
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:13.239
that's kind of what our plan is. But when asked

777
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:17.039
about disciplining the kids and his thoughts on that, you

778
00:44:17.079 --> 00:44:20.760
can see his wheels start turning. It's total confusion though

779
00:44:20.800 --> 00:44:24.880
it's not calculated, but his wheels are just turning. And

780
00:44:24.920 --> 00:44:27.480
they mentioned to him, you know, we're kind of curious

781
00:44:27.480 --> 00:44:30.480
about the eight Passengers discipline methods and the pushback that

782
00:44:30.559 --> 00:44:33.480
you got on that channel that was very popular, and

783
00:44:33.559 --> 00:44:36.239
he kind of goes, oh, yeah, okay. He said, my

784
00:44:36.320 --> 00:44:39.360
son was being really cruel to his younger sibling. They

785
00:44:39.400 --> 00:44:42.159
shared a room, and so we basically told him, either

786
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:46.039
you will apologize and you will stop doing this, or

787
00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:47.440
you're not going to share the room and you're not

788
00:44:47.440 --> 00:44:49.960
going to sleep in there. And so he chose that,

789
00:44:50.960 --> 00:44:52.639
or he was taken out of the room and we

790
00:44:52.679 --> 00:44:54.519
told him, you can sleep on the couch, you can

791
00:44:54.559 --> 00:44:56.159
sleep on the pull out bed, or you can sleep

792
00:44:56.239 --> 00:44:57.719
on the floor for all we care, but you're not

793
00:44:57.760 --> 00:44:59.599
going back in that room because you're mistreating your brother.

794
00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:03.400
He chose a beanbag, he said. Now people got all

795
00:45:03.480 --> 00:45:05.159
upset about that, like we were forcing him to sleep

796
00:45:05.159 --> 00:45:07.039
on a bean bag. But that wasn't it, he said.

797
00:45:07.079 --> 00:45:08.760
Matter of fact, when we moved into the new house,

798
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.079
he got you know, he had rectified his behavior and

799
00:45:11.159 --> 00:45:13.800
was behaving. There was no physical punishment or anything, and

800
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:15.559
he got to move back into his own room as

801
00:45:15.599 --> 00:45:18.719
soon as he built the house. That made more sense,

802
00:45:18.760 --> 00:45:24.360
okay than what people thought it was online. So when

803
00:45:24.400 --> 00:45:28.000
asked about who Jody was to him, his answers were

804
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:31.400
surprising to me as I watched the interrogation. He calls

805
00:45:31.480 --> 00:45:36.440
Jody a therapist and a life coach, and his feeling

806
00:45:36.440 --> 00:45:38.480
about her. He says that he respects her as an

807
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:42.559
honest and a truthful person. He had nothing but good

808
00:45:42.639 --> 00:45:46.280
things to say about this woman, and it makes sense

809
00:45:46.320 --> 00:45:47.719
to me in that moment, I'm like, oh, well, no

810
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:51.400
wonder he followed her suggestions. He respects her as the professional.

811
00:45:52.199 --> 00:45:54.719
What he didn't know, though, and when it was said

812
00:45:54.760 --> 00:45:57.480
to him his eyes kind of opened up wide, was

813
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.880
that his kids were living at Jody's. He's very surprised

814
00:46:00.880 --> 00:46:03.960
by this. Wait, what they're living there? I didn't know that.

815
00:46:04.480 --> 00:46:07.800
I had no clue. So by now Kevin's like, look,

816
00:46:07.840 --> 00:46:09.320
I want to know what's going on, and I want

817
00:46:09.360 --> 00:46:12.440
my kids. And that's when police break the news to him, Look,

818
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:14.360
you're not going to be getting your kids, not only

819
00:46:14.400 --> 00:46:18.039
that they're in state custody right now. And Kevin's jaw

820
00:46:18.320 --> 00:46:22.960
drops and He's like, I'm sorry, what this has to

821
00:46:22.960 --> 00:46:26.000
be a mistake. No, no, no, no, no, something's wrong here.

822
00:46:26.679 --> 00:46:31.039
And he was right, something was very wrong here. On

823
00:46:31.119 --> 00:46:34.840
August twentieth of twenty twenty three, a man heard his

824
00:46:34.920 --> 00:46:37.519
doorbell ring. It was about ten forty five in the morning,

825
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:40.639
and this gentleman suffered from mobility issues, so it took

826
00:46:40.679 --> 00:46:43.840
him a minute to get to the door after it rang,

827
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:46.719
and when he opened his front door, he was startled

828
00:46:47.079 --> 00:46:50.079
to see that there was a young blondhaired boy kind

829
00:46:50.079 --> 00:46:52.519
of walking away from his door. So when he got

830
00:46:52.559 --> 00:46:54.960
to his door, he was startled to see a young

831
00:46:55.280 --> 00:46:58.920
blond haired boy kind of walking away from his door.

832
00:46:59.440 --> 00:47:01.320
And he was because there weren't a lot of children

833
00:47:01.360 --> 00:47:03.119
in the community where he lived, and so it was

834
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:06.400
really surprising to see this child at his doorstep. I mean,

835
00:47:06.440 --> 00:47:09.400
the closest house to his was one hundred yards away.

836
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:12.719
They weren't right next to each other, and he knew

837
00:47:12.719 --> 00:47:15.199
that a single woman lived there. So where did this

838
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:18.159
kid come from? And the man, his name was Danny.

839
00:47:18.239 --> 00:47:21.280
He comforted the child who was clearly in some sort

840
00:47:21.320 --> 00:47:24.559
of distress. And I say this because he was barefoot.

841
00:47:24.599 --> 00:47:27.000
I mean, he did have like black socks one, but

842
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:29.840
he had duct taped tightly around his ankles and he

843
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:33.440
had been walking on the asphalt and the long rock

844
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:38.119
driveway that was scalding hot with no shoes on. And

845
00:47:38.199 --> 00:47:43.159
looking at this kid, he is very malnourished, extremely dehydrated,

846
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:47.239
and he's emaciated, very bony looking, and very unhealthy looking.

847
00:47:47.719 --> 00:47:50.559
So Danny says, come here, come here, and asks him

848
00:47:50.559 --> 00:47:52.679
to sit down, and he says, okay, man, what's your name?

849
00:47:53.079 --> 00:47:55.159
You know, what's your age? How old are you? And

850
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.920
the boy says, I'm Russell and I'm twelve years old.

851
00:47:59.000 --> 00:48:02.760
So when they're talking, he was like, what's the duct

852
00:48:02.760 --> 00:48:05.159
tape on your ankles about? And the little boy looks

853
00:48:05.159 --> 00:48:07.559
at him and says, look, it's a personal matter, but

854
00:48:07.639 --> 00:48:12.119
it's my fault. Can you just call or can you

855
00:48:12.239 --> 00:48:14.719
just get me actually to a police station. I'd like

856
00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:17.119
you to take me to a police station. Well, Danny

857
00:48:17.360 --> 00:48:19.920
chooses the latter and says, no, I'm gonna call nine

858
00:48:19.960 --> 00:48:22.480
one one, So he places the call. Now, while he's

859
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:24.800
talking to nine one one, his wife, Debbie, she was home,

860
00:48:24.800 --> 00:48:26.920
but she had been in the bathroom at first. She

861
00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:29.519
comes outside and she tries to start helping the boy

862
00:48:29.559 --> 00:48:32.880
as well. She's very upset by the condition of this child,

863
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:35.719
so she went and got him some water, and she

864
00:48:35.800 --> 00:48:38.840
got him like a stalk of pineapple, and she got

865
00:48:38.960 --> 00:48:41.400
him a banana, and the little boy gladly accepted it

866
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:43.639
and he's eating it just as fast as he can.

867
00:48:44.360 --> 00:48:47.119
And the nine one operator is kind of guiding mister

868
00:48:47.199 --> 00:48:50.239
Danny through some questions while they were getting the ambulance

869
00:48:50.320 --> 00:48:55.280
en route, and that included, you know, kind of explain

870
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.559
what's going on. And so as Danny and Debbie are

871
00:48:58.599 --> 00:49:02.280
looking over the child, they realize that there's not only

872
00:49:02.360 --> 00:49:05.679
duct tape on his ankles, but it's also on his wrists.

873
00:49:05.960 --> 00:49:08.239
And when they kind of pull it back and look,

874
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:13.639
there's like bloody saran wrap underneath the duct tape, and

875
00:49:13.719 --> 00:49:19.559
the wounds are open and oozing and very tender and

876
00:49:19.679 --> 00:49:23.280
painful all the way around his ankles and his wrists.

877
00:49:23.320 --> 00:49:25.840
He's wearing Russell was wearing shorts, and he had this

878
00:49:25.920 --> 00:49:29.119
light blue, long sleeve collared, you know, button up shirt

879
00:49:29.159 --> 00:49:32.880
on and when those long sleeves were pulled back, that's

880
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:35.199
when they were shocked and they found the wounds around

881
00:49:35.199 --> 00:49:40.000
his wrists as well. And the more Danny talked to

882
00:49:40.079 --> 00:49:43.039
young Russell, the more he realized, you know, this child

883
00:49:43.719 --> 00:49:46.559
has been through a lot. But then he kind of

884
00:49:46.599 --> 00:49:48.199
looks at him and goes, wait a minute, I've seen

885
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.599
you before, and he kind of in his mind was thinking,

886
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:55.320
wait a minute, the previous Christmas, just some months before,

887
00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:57.880
this boy had come to the door with a woman,

888
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.599
and Danny and his wife they didn't run recognized the

889
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:02.920
child or the woman, but they had brought cookies, and

890
00:50:02.960 --> 00:50:05.440
he realized, wait a minute, y'all are friends with my

891
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:10.519
neighbor Jody, aren't you. And Debbie realized in the moment

892
00:50:10.519 --> 00:50:12.599
that Danny's trying to figure out what's going on in

893
00:50:12.639 --> 00:50:15.480
his head, that Russell had eaten all of the snacks

894
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.679
and drank all the water she had given him, So

895
00:50:17.719 --> 00:50:19.800
she went back inside to mak him another bag of

896
00:50:19.840 --> 00:50:22.480
snacks to eat because he was just starving. And as

897
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:25.599
she gave him the bag, the ambulance arrived, and during

898
00:50:25.639 --> 00:50:28.480
that call, mister Danny's voice cracks. You can hear him

899
00:50:28.519 --> 00:50:31.519
get very emotional about the condition of this child. It's

900
00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:34.639
just breaking his heart to see what's going on. So

901
00:50:35.079 --> 00:50:37.440
the EMTs come up and they start to look him

902
00:50:37.440 --> 00:50:39.519
over and they start to cut the duct tape off

903
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:42.199
of the wounds, but then they realize, oh my god,

904
00:50:42.239 --> 00:50:45.079
these are like deep wounds. So they stop and they say,

905
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:46.920
we got to get him into the ambulance before we

906
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.840
go any further. And like I told you, Russell was bony,

907
00:50:50.159 --> 00:50:53.079
he was emaciated, and it was clear he had been

908
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:57.119
through a lot, although he wasn't saying very much. Those ankles,

909
00:50:57.440 --> 00:50:59.559
like I told you, they were sticky. They were oozing

910
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:02.679
blood from the wounds, and that saran wrap was kind

911
00:51:02.679 --> 00:51:04.320
of down into the wounds and they were having to

912
00:51:04.360 --> 00:51:08.199
pull that out. And although he was in clear medical

913
00:51:08.239 --> 00:51:12.280
distress and physical distress, the child just seemed to keep

914
00:51:12.280 --> 00:51:15.559
his wits about him and was very calm, almost stoic

915
00:51:16.000 --> 00:51:19.440
in a way. And something that an officer said on

916
00:51:19.480 --> 00:51:22.880
the body cam really struck with It stuck with me.

917
00:51:22.960 --> 00:51:25.199
It struck me, and it stuck with me. But he

918
00:51:25.320 --> 00:51:27.519
was talking to another officer and he goes, man, whenever

919
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:29.840
they took the tape off of the kid, you can

920
00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:34.639
smell the flesh. That'll tell you how bad these wounds were.

921
00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:38.320
They could smell it when they were unwrapping him. And

922
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:40.760
so one officer at one point it even offered to

923
00:51:40.800 --> 00:51:42.480
carry him. He was like, man, this looks so painful.

924
00:51:42.559 --> 00:51:44.519
Let me carry you, buddy, but the child said no.

925
00:51:44.599 --> 00:51:46.320
Russell said no, I'm going to walk on my own.

926
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:49.440
It was so painful to look at him that Miss

927
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:53.039
Debbie even gave Russell her own shoes and said, here, baby,

928
00:51:53.079 --> 00:51:55.599
wear these so that his feet wouldn't hurt and be

929
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:58.960
cut up anymore on the hot pavement or in the rocks.

930
00:51:59.400 --> 00:52:01.239
So when they got in that ambulance, they asked him

931
00:52:01.280 --> 00:52:06.000
what caused these wounds, and he shockingly replied, the rope.

932
00:52:06.559 --> 00:52:09.400
And they look at the rope, and that's when he

933
00:52:09.440 --> 00:52:13.159
explains he had been tied up like a dog for

934
00:52:13.199 --> 00:52:19.039
so long that rope had burned wounds into his tiny

935
00:52:19.079 --> 00:52:23.679
little bony ankles and his wrists. And they said, what

936
00:52:23.880 --> 00:52:26.000
was going on while were you tied up? And he

937
00:52:26.079 --> 00:52:28.239
explained he had been tied up with rope before that,

938
00:52:28.280 --> 00:52:31.880
he had been hog tied his ankles and his wrists,

939
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:35.440
hogtied with handcuffs on his stomach, forced to just lay

940
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:38.480
their hog tie behind his back before he eventually had

941
00:52:38.480 --> 00:52:40.199
that removed and the ropes were put on and he

942
00:52:40.280 --> 00:52:43.159
was tied to weights so that he couldn't move around

943
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:47.239
other than wherever the rope would move him. And they said, well,

944
00:52:47.280 --> 00:52:49.000
who was anyone taking care of you? Why were you

945
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:51.920
tied down? What's going on? And Russell said, yeah, the

946
00:52:52.039 --> 00:52:58.519
wounds my bobos have been treated with cayenne, pepper and honey,

947
00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:03.719
so clearly there's something very very wrong here. He was

948
00:53:03.760 --> 00:53:07.400
loaded in the ambulance. The ambulance and the officer then

949
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:10.440
is very gently talking to him, trying not to upset

950
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:12.639
the child, and says, hey, man, where are your parents?

951
00:53:12.679 --> 00:53:14.880
We need to talk to them. Who is your mom?

952
00:53:15.800 --> 00:53:19.039
And that's when Russell said, Ruby Frank is my mom,

953
00:53:19.480 --> 00:53:22.760
but I don't know where she is. And the cops like, wait,

954
00:53:23.320 --> 00:53:27.159
Ruby Frank. Ruby Frank is in the mom influencer and

955
00:53:27.239 --> 00:53:33.880
life coach personality, Yeah, that's her. The child's condition was

956
00:53:34.079 --> 00:53:37.000
I can't express you how heartbreaking, and the police wanted

957
00:53:37.039 --> 00:53:40.639
to find Ruby stat and that's when the child said

958
00:53:40.679 --> 00:53:44.239
something to them that was even more alarming. Russell said, look,

959
00:53:44.320 --> 00:53:47.880
my siblings, they're still in the house next door, and

960
00:53:47.920 --> 00:53:51.920
there said whose house is that? Jody Hildebrandt. He said,

961
00:53:51.960 --> 00:53:54.360
I have two sisters over there at ten and a

962
00:53:54.400 --> 00:53:57.320
fourteen year old sister. They're back over at Jody's house,

963
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:00.400
and I don't know how they are. I couldn't even

964
00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.400
say what their condition was because he hadn't been with them,

965
00:54:02.400 --> 00:54:05.719
he hadn't seen them. So the police immediately jumped into action,

966
00:54:06.000 --> 00:54:08.039
and they made their way next door to the Hildebrandt

967
00:54:08.079 --> 00:54:10.639
residents to look for more children and try to figure

968
00:54:10.639 --> 00:54:13.320
out what the hell is going on. So multiple officers

969
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:15.400
arrive at the home and they're in the back of

970
00:54:15.400 --> 00:54:17.320
the truck when they pull up. They're not even like

971
00:54:17.639 --> 00:54:19.840
formally in a car. They're in the back of a truck.

972
00:54:19.880 --> 00:54:22.519
They have on their police vests and they have guns drawn.

973
00:54:22.719 --> 00:54:24.639
That'll tell you how bad it was whenever they looked

974
00:54:24.639 --> 00:54:27.320
at this kid. And it was supposed to be a

975
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:29.559
bit of a surprise approach, and they just kind of

976
00:54:29.599 --> 00:54:31.159
jumped from the back of the truck as soon as

977
00:54:31.159 --> 00:54:34.000
it stopped up at the house. So they cautiously approached

978
00:54:34.000 --> 00:54:36.400
with their weapons and they go up to the home

979
00:54:36.639 --> 00:54:38.840
and they knock on this front door, and it's a

980
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:41.199
large wooden door. It's about one and a half times

981
00:54:41.199 --> 00:54:43.199
the width of what a regular door looks like. It's

982
00:54:43.239 --> 00:54:47.000
got this horizontal glass kind of inlaid in it, and

983
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.239
the home is mostly like a stucco exterior. It's a

984
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.920
dark brown, very modern looking, but very clean, very orderly.

985
00:54:54.199 --> 00:54:56.920
It doesn't really match what the child is saying. You know,

986
00:54:56.960 --> 00:54:59.400
you would expect for him to have come from a

987
00:54:59.519 --> 00:55:02.599
multi million dollar home in a nicer community. That is

988
00:55:02.679 --> 00:55:06.079
not common for child abuse calls to come from that

989
00:55:06.119 --> 00:55:09.559
type of home, if you didn't know that. Almost immediately

990
00:55:10.239 --> 00:55:13.639
when the police knock on the door, a woman answers it,

991
00:55:13.679 --> 00:55:17.239
and she does identify herself as Jody Hildebrandt, and she

992
00:55:17.679 --> 00:55:22.880
is like this mix of surprise yet really really guarded,

993
00:55:23.039 --> 00:55:25.039
and she already has her phone in her hand whenever

994
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:28.320
she opens the door, and she looks at them says,

995
00:55:28.360 --> 00:55:32.639
I have my lawyer on the phone. Okay, well, what

996
00:55:32.719 --> 00:55:35.400
the hell, let's just be for real right now. Have

997
00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:38.119
you ever answered the door and not been expecting anybody?

998
00:55:38.159 --> 00:55:39.960
And first of all it's the police, And second of all,

999
00:55:39.960 --> 00:55:41.440
you say, I have my lawyer on the phone, who

1000
00:55:41.440 --> 00:55:44.360
answers the door like that? That right there made me go,

1001
00:55:44.440 --> 00:55:47.800
wait what you have your lawyer on the phone. Damn.

1002
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:51.199
So she was hesitant and didn't want to exit the

1003
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.719
house until they were like, no step out of the house,

1004
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:56.760
and she was a bit defiant until she realized she

1005
00:55:56.840 --> 00:55:58.079
had to step out of the house or they were

1006
00:55:58.119 --> 00:56:00.320
going to pull her out of the house. And so

1007
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:03.239
as she comes out of it, she's demanding, I want

1008
00:56:03.239 --> 00:56:05.960
a warrant. Where is your warrant? But that's just not

1009
00:56:06.039 --> 00:56:09.400
gonna happen and real quick. That's what's frustrating about people

1010
00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.320
sometimes to me, is that people always claim to know

1011
00:56:12.360 --> 00:56:14.679
their rights until it's time to know your rights and

1012
00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:16.880
to know procedural law, okay, or to know how it's

1013
00:56:16.880 --> 00:56:20.320
gonna work procedurally. There's a thing called exigent circumstances, and

1014
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:23.519
exigent circumstances are basically whenever we don't have to have

1015
00:56:23.559 --> 00:56:27.639
a warrant to come in immediately, it's immediately necessary that

1016
00:56:27.639 --> 00:56:30.360
we come in because there's a certain situation that's taking

1017
00:56:30.400 --> 00:56:34.960
place that requires immediate remedy. And because of those exigent circumstances,

1018
00:56:35.119 --> 00:56:37.880
we don't need a warrant, okay. And a child that's

1019
00:56:37.960 --> 00:56:40.480
just been found bloodied and said, hey, I've been tied

1020
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:42.400
up and I have wounds and I haven't it looked

1021
00:56:42.440 --> 00:56:44.480
like I haven't been fed in three years. That's going

1022
00:56:44.559 --> 00:56:47.400
to be considered an exigent circumstance. So she's sitting here,

1023
00:56:48.320 --> 00:56:51.719
you know, saying, demanding a warrant, and baby, we don't

1024
00:56:51.760 --> 00:56:55.039
need one. How about this doesn't happen and we don't

1025
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.480
have a kid telling us that. Okay. So another example

1026
00:56:58.480 --> 00:56:59.840
for you real quick, if if we hear a woman

1027
00:57:00.039 --> 00:57:02.840
screaming in her backyard, help help, help, it wouldn't make

1028
00:57:02.920 --> 00:57:04.480
sense for police to have to go get a warrant

1029
00:57:04.639 --> 00:57:07.119
to go in the backyard and help the woman. We

1030
00:57:07.199 --> 00:57:10.559
need to help now, help that person now, and failure

1031
00:57:10.599 --> 00:57:13.039
to act might result in possible further harm. And so

1032
00:57:13.119 --> 00:57:15.599
that's the point of exigent circumstances. And that was the

1033
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:18.840
case here. The kid is severely injured, and it's telling

1034
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:21.079
us there's more kids in the home. We ain't waiting

1035
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:24.159
for a warrant. We're going to look for the other kids, okay.

1036
00:57:24.320 --> 00:57:27.199
So no, we don't need a warrant for the kids

1037
00:57:27.320 --> 00:57:31.039
that are we're being told her in this home. So

1038
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:35.599
Jody amazingly also doesn't say what kids or whose kids

1039
00:57:35.639 --> 00:57:38.719
or what are you talking about? She just starts talking

1040
00:57:38.719 --> 00:57:42.480
to the attorney on the phone, and Jody's attorney, who's

1041
00:57:42.519 --> 00:57:45.440
now on speakerphone obviously understands the law, and he just

1042
00:57:45.440 --> 00:57:49.320
says over speakerphone, Hey, can I have the circumstances for

1043
00:57:49.719 --> 00:57:51.360
why y'all are in the home, And that's when the

1044
00:57:51.400 --> 00:57:54.000
cop explained to him, Yeah, we got a kid over

1045
00:57:54.039 --> 00:57:56.079
here who says he's come from this house. He's in

1046
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.840
horrible condition. And you could tell the attorney was like,

1047
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.800
oh god, you could just hear it in his voice,

1048
00:58:00.840 --> 00:58:02.559
and then he says, I need to speak to my

1049
00:58:02.639 --> 00:58:05.760
client off of speakerphone. Now, obviously I don't know what

1050
00:58:05.800 --> 00:58:07.519
was said, but I'm sure it went a bit like this,

1051
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.519
shut the fuck up and don't say anything, Jody, don't

1052
00:58:10.519 --> 00:58:13.559
say a word. Assuming that's the case, I guess it

1053
00:58:13.599 --> 00:58:17.519
makes sense then that for the next thirty five minutes

1054
00:58:17.559 --> 00:58:21.519
of body cam, which I personally watched for thirty five minutes,

1055
00:58:21.800 --> 00:58:25.760
she stands outside of her front door staring at the police.

1056
00:58:26.000 --> 00:58:28.440
But this was not just staring like what is going on?

1057
00:58:28.880 --> 00:58:32.159
This isn't staring out of confusion. Her stare was weird.

1058
00:58:32.280 --> 00:58:34.360
It was like she was trying to almost agitate the

1059
00:58:34.400 --> 00:58:38.320
officers with her stare, so much so that an officer

1060
00:58:38.320 --> 00:58:40.119
at one point goes, do you have a question for me?

1061
00:58:40.239 --> 00:58:43.800
Or something because the way she was just like mugging him,

1062
00:58:44.360 --> 00:58:49.159
and she just continues to stare. She doesn't say anything else. Really,

1063
00:58:49.199 --> 00:58:51.599
her only concern in the moment was the fact that

1064
00:58:51.840 --> 00:58:54.400
she says, I'm running an Airbnb out of this house,

1065
00:58:54.719 --> 00:58:57.039
and I think y'all are going to be scaring my guests.

1066
00:58:57.119 --> 00:58:59.000
The way that y'all are running up here. It was

1067
00:58:59.039 --> 00:59:03.880
really inconvenient or her just mind blowing, mind blowing to

1068
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:06.239
me that that was her concern. So as the officers

1069
00:59:06.239 --> 00:59:08.800
are searching the home, they're walking through this looks like

1070
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.199
a maze of a house. It's huge, and they're opening

1071
00:59:11.239 --> 00:59:14.480
doors and rooms and cabinets and trying to search anywhere

1072
00:59:14.519 --> 00:59:17.599
for kids, and they're not really finding anything. It's huge,

1073
00:59:17.800 --> 00:59:20.440
and there's lots of places to check. Well. The neighbors

1074
00:59:20.559 --> 00:59:23.280
who had found young Russell mentioned to the officer's look,

1075
00:59:23.480 --> 00:59:26.599
there's a basement and a safe room in the house.

1076
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.480
So the cops were like, dang, we need to go

1077
00:59:28.559 --> 00:59:30.559
check that too, to make sure that we don't miss

1078
00:59:30.559 --> 00:59:32.679
a child maybe being tied up in this safe room

1079
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:36.480
or something. So eventually, while they're making their way through

1080
00:59:36.480 --> 00:59:41.000
the house, they open a closet door to a bathroom

1081
00:59:41.719 --> 00:59:44.840
and there they find a young boy sitting Indian style

1082
00:59:44.960 --> 00:59:51.679
on the floor, completely silent. It's surprising. The closet lights

1083
00:59:51.719 --> 00:59:55.079
are off and it's completely empty in this closet other

1084
00:59:55.119 --> 00:59:57.199
than like this little floor light, like a night light

1085
00:59:57.280 --> 00:59:59.840
type thing, and there's a mirror hanging on the back

1086
01:00:00.320 --> 01:00:04.360
of the closet. But the child doesn't move. He just

1087
01:00:04.400 --> 01:00:08.880
stays there like a statue. And he's wearing blue jeans

1088
01:00:09.239 --> 01:00:12.960
and a shirt, but he's barefoot. And the officers they

1089
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:15.639
say hello to him, and they kneel down to speak

1090
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:18.280
to him, but the child won't respond even after they

1091
01:00:18.280 --> 01:00:22.280
introduce themselves. They're very gentle and very kind when they're

1092
01:00:22.280 --> 01:00:25.280
talking to the kid. There's a male officer and even

1093
01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:27.400
kneels down and he gets real low to the like

1094
01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:29.760
really low, and you know, puts his gun away and

1095
01:00:29.800 --> 01:00:32.800
he just says, look, you're okay, I'm not gonna hurt you. Look,

1096
01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:35.119
here's my badge, and he shows the child my badge.

1097
01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:38.519
Very gentle, very slow in his actions, and the child

1098
01:00:38.639 --> 01:00:41.920
just doesn't respond. He eventually sits down next to him

1099
01:00:41.960 --> 01:00:44.159
and says, look, I'm just gonna sit. You don't have

1100
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:47.159
to talk if you don't want to. Let's just sit now.

1101
01:00:47.239 --> 01:00:49.360
I want you to know. The face is blurred in

1102
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:52.239
the in the camera, so all you can really gather

1103
01:00:52.719 --> 01:00:54.840
is the clothing that I told you, and that there's

1104
01:00:55.199 --> 01:00:58.760
eventually a little prepubescent voice that kind of speaks up

1105
01:00:58.840 --> 01:01:02.519
very low at one point. The shirt's a short sleeve,

1106
01:01:02.599 --> 01:01:06.559
collared polo, and the hair of the little boy is buzzed.

1107
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:11.239
And so the officers were just really confused because Russell said, look,

1108
01:01:11.440 --> 01:01:13.079
you know, I have sisters back at the house, So

1109
01:01:13.320 --> 01:01:15.039
they didn't know who this young boy was that they

1110
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.480
had just found in the closet. But they would eventually realize,

1111
01:01:18.519 --> 01:01:21.440
as did I when I first watched it, that this

1112
01:01:21.599 --> 01:01:24.519
was actually a female that they were talking to. It

1113
01:01:24.639 --> 01:01:29.039
was nine year old Eve, but her head had been buzzed.

1114
01:01:30.000 --> 01:01:32.119
She did not have that hair, that long hair that

1115
01:01:32.159 --> 01:01:35.360
you would expect her to have from those eight passenger videos.

1116
01:01:35.679 --> 01:01:39.199
She looked like a little boy, and the voice you

1117
01:01:39.199 --> 01:01:44.679
wouldn't be able to tell. Okay, So she remained absolutely silent.

1118
01:01:44.719 --> 01:01:47.960
But I watched closely the body cam video and her

1119
01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:51.199
little chest is just beating hard. You can see her shirt.

1120
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:54.360
Her breathing is really heavy too, But she doesn't move.

1121
01:01:54.400 --> 01:01:57.159
You can tell she is absolutely terrified about what's going on,

1122
01:01:57.480 --> 01:02:00.679
but rather than pull her from the closet, the officers

1123
01:02:00.679 --> 01:02:03.079
decide to remain in there, and they even bring her

1124
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:06.119
some pizza to try to comfort her. There's music that's

1125
01:02:06.119 --> 01:02:07.760
playing in the background. You could tell a cop had

1126
01:02:07.760 --> 01:02:09.679
put on his phone kind of low with just some

1127
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:11.960
upbeat music. It was Maroon five that was playing in

1128
01:02:12.039 --> 01:02:16.320
the video. But the child just remained quiet. It's very sad.

1129
01:02:16.440 --> 01:02:20.840
It's like watching a pound worker try to coax and

1130
01:02:20.920 --> 01:02:25.079
befriend a terrified dog. It's just not normal in any way,

1131
01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:28.639
shape or form. The child remains quiet. At one point,

1132
01:02:28.679 --> 01:02:31.480
she even slides back to the back wall as far

1133
01:02:31.519 --> 01:02:33.960
as she can away from the officer, up against the wall,

1134
01:02:34.679 --> 01:02:37.920
and you know, they realize this isn't working, and so

1135
01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:40.039
they decide to change tactics and they go get a

1136
01:02:40.079 --> 01:02:43.079
female I believe it's a firefighter, it could be empt

1137
01:02:43.480 --> 01:02:45.599
and she's just wearing a T shirt, a ponytail. She's

1138
01:02:45.599 --> 01:02:48.800
got blonde hair, very unassuming, it's less formal looking, and

1139
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:50.599
they bring her in to see if the child will

1140
01:02:50.599 --> 01:02:55.360
talk to her, and the tactic works because eventually, whenever

1141
01:02:55.440 --> 01:02:58.119
the woman says Hey, are you scared? Are you okay?

1142
01:02:58.679 --> 01:03:02.199
She eventually looks up and says, I'm just nervous, And then,

1143
01:03:02.239 --> 01:03:06.159
after some talking and coaxing, the child finally follows the

1144
01:03:06.199 --> 01:03:09.519
woman from the closet. How conditioned must that child be

1145
01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:12.800
to refuse to speak to adults and even be afraid

1146
01:03:12.840 --> 01:03:16.119
to eat the food that they brought her. Because I

1147
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:18.679
want to be very clear about something, I don't want

1148
01:03:18.679 --> 01:03:21.039
to leave it at that When I say after some

1149
01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.679
time and after she ate the pizza she came out

1150
01:03:23.679 --> 01:03:25.280
of the closet, I want you to know I mean

1151
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:30.920
four hours, four hours she sat in that closet before

1152
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:35.119
she was willing to move, four hours before. And I

1153
01:03:35.159 --> 01:03:37.199
want to commend the officers for not just picking her

1154
01:03:37.239 --> 01:03:39.599
up and pulling her out, and not trying to traumatize

1155
01:03:39.599 --> 01:03:43.639
her anymore than she already was. So a closer look

1156
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:45.440
at her once she comes into the light shows that

1157
01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.440
she too had been through a whole lot, just like

1158
01:03:47.519 --> 01:03:50.559
her brother. There were healing wounds on her arms, she

1159
01:03:50.639 --> 01:03:56.280
was extremely malnourished, the emotional abuse so severe that even

1160
01:03:56.280 --> 01:04:00.599
communicating with her was almost near nonexistent. She was brought

1161
01:04:00.599 --> 01:04:03.280
to the hospital for her condition. As the officers continued

1162
01:04:03.320 --> 01:04:07.679
searching the compound, and just like the neighbors had said,

1163
01:04:08.239 --> 01:04:11.320
the police came upon the basement and they did find

1164
01:04:11.360 --> 01:04:14.440
that safe room. Now down in this basement, it's huge,

1165
01:04:14.639 --> 01:04:18.639
but it's completely white, very sterile looking. The only difference

1166
01:04:18.639 --> 01:04:21.719
you see is there's a dark black Liberty safe door

1167
01:04:22.239 --> 01:04:25.559
with a large gold wheel on it that sticks out

1168
01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.239
from the wall and you turn the wheel to open

1169
01:04:27.239 --> 01:04:30.599
the safe. So unsure about what they're about to encounter,

1170
01:04:31.639 --> 01:04:34.800
there's two officers. They unholster their pistols and as they

1171
01:04:34.840 --> 01:04:38.239
open the safe, the two officers make entry and sweep

1172
01:04:38.239 --> 01:04:40.719
in opposite directions as they enter. But it turns out

1173
01:04:40.760 --> 01:04:44.880
it's completely empty. Other than a refrigerator and some cabinets.

1174
01:04:45.079 --> 01:04:47.280
There was also a drop down bed that came out

1175
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:50.599
of the wall and a toilet. So the officers, i mean,

1176
01:04:50.639 --> 01:04:53.159
it looks completely empty, but they're very thorough and they're

1177
01:04:53.159 --> 01:04:55.559
looking through all these cabinets and drawers. There's nothing really

1178
01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:59.800
in there until they come upon some pretty damning evidence

1179
01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:03.519
in just the very bottom drawer under the sink, and

1180
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:08.440
it's it's chilling when you see it. But they open

1181
01:05:08.559 --> 01:05:11.199
up the drawer and you see the officer on his body.

1182
01:05:11.199 --> 01:05:16.320
Camp pull out chains with handcuffs and a rope attached,

1183
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:19.039
and you can just see. I'm like, oh my god.

1184
01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:21.360
So they have these evidence bags and they're logging it

1185
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:23.840
into the evidence bags, and when you see the length

1186
01:05:23.920 --> 01:05:27.440
of the rope, you almost can't help but imagine seeing

1187
01:05:27.440 --> 01:05:29.119
one of these children on the other end of it.

1188
01:05:29.119 --> 01:05:32.079
It just hurts your sickening to think a child was

1189
01:05:32.519 --> 01:05:34.960
I wouldn't do that to an animal, and yet these

1190
01:05:34.960 --> 01:05:38.960
were kids. They also found in the house and in

1191
01:05:39.000 --> 01:05:41.960
the room, like I told you, they found some multiple handcuffs,

1192
01:05:42.119 --> 01:05:44.559
there was a bowl with some red liquid in it

1193
01:05:45.000 --> 01:05:46.960
with a metal spoon inside of it. They found the

1194
01:05:46.960 --> 01:05:52.639
saran wrap, multiple ropes, absorbent bandages, and gauze, and all

1195
01:05:52.719 --> 01:05:55.599
of this had obviously been used in the months leading

1196
01:05:55.679 --> 01:05:58.320
up to the children being found in their abuse and

1197
01:05:58.360 --> 01:06:01.639
what they had endured. So the police at this point

1198
01:06:01.679 --> 01:06:06.039
swept the entire home and the only children they found

1199
01:06:06.159 --> 01:06:10.039
were those two. They didn't see the other two Frankie

1200
01:06:10.119 --> 01:06:12.199
children that were there, and they knew that they were miners.

1201
01:06:12.519 --> 01:06:15.519
So immediately a search broke out. Where are these other kids? Are?

1202
01:06:15.559 --> 01:06:17.480
My god? Have they been killed or they buried? Out?

1203
01:06:17.480 --> 01:06:20.719
In the desert. Nobody knew where they were, so police

1204
01:06:20.719 --> 01:06:23.360
immediately went to the original marital home of the Frankies,

1205
01:06:23.679 --> 01:06:26.079
but when they got there, nobody would open the door.

1206
01:06:26.119 --> 01:06:28.800
When they knocked, the blinds were down, the curtains were pulled,

1207
01:06:29.199 --> 01:06:31.679
and so they knocked and knocked and knocked, and nobody

1208
01:06:31.719 --> 01:06:34.440
would come to the door. So eventually they were able

1209
01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:37.239
to get an actual warrant signed by judge which allowed

1210
01:06:37.280 --> 01:06:39.519
them to break in the front door. But once they

1211
01:06:39.519 --> 01:06:43.119
got in, nobody was there. It was empty. But the

1212
01:06:43.199 --> 01:06:47.400
oldest daughter, Sherry, the oldest Frankie daughter, she showed up

1213
01:06:47.800 --> 01:06:50.559
at the house and she told the police, look, I

1214
01:06:50.599 --> 01:06:53.440
think I know where my siblings might be. There's a

1215
01:06:53.480 --> 01:06:57.679
recreational center near the house over there and they might

1216
01:06:57.719 --> 01:07:00.239
be there. So the police called. But when they called

1217
01:07:00.280 --> 01:07:02.599
to say, hey, are the Frankie kids there, they get

1218
01:07:02.639 --> 01:07:05.920
told by the recreational center, no, they've just been picked

1219
01:07:05.960 --> 01:07:11.639
up due to a family emergency. But no one knew

1220
01:07:11.639 --> 01:07:14.639
who had picked them up. It wasn't Mom, it wasn't Jody,

1221
01:07:15.559 --> 01:07:18.440
So who picked them up. It's not making sense. Their

1222
01:07:18.559 --> 01:07:20.800
dad was at the station. He was already being questioned

1223
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:23.280
at this point and had no idea what was going on,

1224
01:07:23.719 --> 01:07:26.039
and so they called the other oldest Frankie child. His

1225
01:07:26.119 --> 01:07:30.559
name was Chad, but Chad didn't have them. So eventually

1226
01:07:30.639 --> 01:07:33.679
police figure out that Ruby frank She had shown up

1227
01:07:33.719 --> 01:07:38.960
at the house while they were doing the search. She

1228
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:43.159
called a woman named Pam Boucher, who was the president

1229
01:07:43.320 --> 01:07:46.360
of the Connections Academy, and she called her and said, hey,

1230
01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:49.000
go pick up the other two kids, and so Pam

1231
01:07:49.079 --> 01:07:51.480
did that. She brought the other two girls to her house,

1232
01:07:51.519 --> 01:07:53.840
which was by the way, nearly four hours away from

1233
01:07:53.880 --> 01:07:58.760
where their mom was. These miners, and she was completely

1234
01:07:58.840 --> 01:08:01.199
unaware of the situation what was going on, but it

1235
01:08:01.239 --> 01:08:03.159
wasn't abnormal for her to pick up the girls. That

1236
01:08:03.199 --> 01:08:05.599
had happened before, and the girls did chores for her,

1237
01:08:05.880 --> 01:08:07.519
so she took them out to lunch and got them

1238
01:08:07.559 --> 01:08:10.400
some ice cream and had no idea that police were

1239
01:08:10.440 --> 01:08:13.800
searching for them. So thank god they were found safe

1240
01:08:14.000 --> 01:08:17.079
and unharmed. But the children were taken from Pam, who

1241
01:08:17.119 --> 01:08:19.960
by the way, was not a suspectant anyway, and DCFS

1242
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:25.680
took control of the kids. But oddly, whenever they said look,

1243
01:08:25.720 --> 01:08:28.800
we're gonna let you go, and your older sister Sherry

1244
01:08:28.800 --> 01:08:33.000
can take you. Those two younger ones said no, and

1245
01:08:33.079 --> 01:08:35.119
so wait what, you don't want to go with your sister?

1246
01:08:35.159 --> 01:08:37.239
And they said no, we'd rather go to foster care,

1247
01:08:38.399 --> 01:08:44.960
which is bizarre if you ask me. So an officer

1248
01:08:45.000 --> 01:08:48.840
who was there says, okay, we'll thank you to foster

1249
01:08:48.920 --> 01:08:51.159
care if that's what you want to do. But he said,

1250
01:08:51.199 --> 01:08:53.880
I got to check your bags for safety first, and

1251
01:08:53.920 --> 01:08:56.119
the child, one of the children who had a bag,

1252
01:08:56.359 --> 01:09:00.560
became extremely defiant and started screaming, where's your warrant? Where's

1253
01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:03.079
your warrant? And that's when it makes sense. Were they

1254
01:09:03.159 --> 01:09:07.760
coached much? You know what I'm saying Sherry? Just so

1255
01:09:07.840 --> 01:09:10.920
you know, Sherry was kind of estranged from the family,

1256
01:09:11.720 --> 01:09:14.399
and I think where I know Sherry didn't really like

1257
01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:16.000
some of the teachings that were going on the house,

1258
01:09:16.039 --> 01:09:17.600
and she was older and she was able to leave.

1259
01:09:18.159 --> 01:09:21.119
I think that they were coached and told Sherry was

1260
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:23.640
like a bad, you know, person in distortion, so they

1261
01:09:23.680 --> 01:09:26.479
didn't want to go with her. And then to be

1262
01:09:26.600 --> 01:09:29.840
a young child under the age of fifteen to be

1263
01:09:29.920 --> 01:09:33.640
demanding a warrant isn't normative child behavior That had to

1264
01:09:33.680 --> 01:09:37.079
have been coached into them. In another really odd chain

1265
01:09:37.119 --> 01:09:41.000
of events, Kevin Frankie the dad, when he found out

1266
01:09:41.079 --> 01:09:44.279
Sherry was at the house with the police looking for

1267
01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:48.560
his two middle set of kids, he starts demanding that

1268
01:09:48.640 --> 01:09:52.039
she be arrested for burglary because she wasn't allowed to

1269
01:09:52.039 --> 01:09:54.840
be in the house. Again, I think that Kevin was

1270
01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:57.039
of the mindset that she was in distortion, because I remember,

1271
01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:00.279
I think he was manipulated too. But he's amand that

1272
01:10:00.319 --> 01:10:02.039
his daughter be arrested, and the police are like, what

1273
01:10:02.079 --> 01:10:04.359
the fuck, what are you talking about, dude, Like, what

1274
01:10:04.520 --> 01:10:07.000
is going on here? Well, he's like, she took stuff

1275
01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:09.039
from the house. Well, when they asked her, she said, yeah,

1276
01:10:09.039 --> 01:10:11.720
I mean I took the family's passports and I took

1277
01:10:11.760 --> 01:10:14.199
some journals, but I didn't that's what all I took.

1278
01:10:15.239 --> 01:10:17.560
When this was explained to him, he was adamant that no,

1279
01:10:17.760 --> 01:10:19.279
she wasn't supposed to be at the house and she's

1280
01:10:19.319 --> 01:10:23.640
got to be arrested. Well, I mean, I see why

1281
01:10:23.680 --> 01:10:25.399
this was all turning into a complete shit show in

1282
01:10:25.439 --> 01:10:28.439
the moment, But really, the kids' welfare is all that mattered,

1283
01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.319
and I think she took the passports because she didn't

1284
01:10:31.319 --> 01:10:33.560
want her parents to somehow get the littles back, the

1285
01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.239
little kids, and then skip the country with their siblings.

1286
01:10:36.359 --> 01:10:38.760
That's just my opinion. I don't know if that's true,

1287
01:10:38.800 --> 01:10:41.840
but I have a sneaking suspicion that's what it was.

1288
01:10:42.000 --> 01:10:43.399
And the police were like, no, we're not going to

1289
01:10:43.479 --> 01:10:45.479
arrest her, and she's like, look, I'll return the shit.

1290
01:10:45.560 --> 01:10:47.279
I don't care, and so she gave it back to him,

1291
01:10:47.479 --> 01:10:50.760
and so obviously she wasn't arrested for anything, but considering

1292
01:10:50.800 --> 01:10:54.199
what was found back at Jodie's house, and well, I

1293
01:10:54.199 --> 01:10:56.960
guess it would Ruby and Jody in the family where

1294
01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.399
they were staying at Jodie's house. Considering what was found

1295
01:10:59.439 --> 01:11:02.880
back at Jody's house, already police were able to obtain

1296
01:11:02.920 --> 01:11:06.079
a warrant so that they could get further search rights.

1297
01:11:06.119 --> 01:11:08.399
I guess, if you want to call it that, for

1298
01:11:08.520 --> 01:11:11.239
the of that home for more evidence. And this would

1299
01:11:11.239 --> 01:11:16.960
prove so eye opening once this happening happened, because what

1300
01:11:17.000 --> 01:11:19.399
was happening in the moment to the children was terrible

1301
01:11:19.439 --> 01:11:23.039
what was being found. But a journal that was found

1302
01:11:23.119 --> 01:11:27.000
that was Ruby's. She kept this journal and it really

1303
01:11:27.159 --> 01:11:30.840
exposed the reality of what her children had been experiencing.

1304
01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:34.479
For almost a year, and she logged it all in

1305
01:11:34.520 --> 01:11:38.760
her own handwriting. And something to me that's scary, really scary,

1306
01:11:39.079 --> 01:11:42.279
is when people take religion and they manipulate it and

1307
01:11:42.279 --> 01:11:44.119
then they turn it into something that it was never

1308
01:11:44.159 --> 01:11:48.000
intended to be. Because what started out as a strict

1309
01:11:48.039 --> 01:11:53.000
parenting plan I guess to grow moral and responsible children

1310
01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:57.159
had taken a dark turn, a turn into extremism where

1311
01:11:57.159 --> 01:12:01.800
the children would be tortured as victim or tortured into

1312
01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:06.920
victims rather than enlightened youth, which is what I guess

1313
01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:09.159
the goal was here. And it is nice to know

1314
01:12:09.560 --> 01:12:12.000
that there is a higher power that we can turn

1315
01:12:12.079 --> 01:12:15.000
to for guidance in life, but when that belief is

1316
01:12:15.039 --> 01:12:19.880
then weaponized, it becomes a whole different animal. And in

1317
01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:23.159
this case, once the move was made to Jody's home,

1318
01:12:23.560 --> 01:12:27.199
the youngest two children of the Frankies were subjected to

1319
01:12:27.439 --> 01:12:31.159
a life nothing like what they knew before. It turned

1320
01:12:31.159 --> 01:12:37.199
into a work camp style slavery situation for these kids,

1321
01:12:37.399 --> 01:12:41.880
and they had nowhere to go and nowhere to turn to.

1322
01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.520
So while Jody had the luxury of calling her lawyer

1323
01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:47.960
to defend her, in the moment, she opened the door

1324
01:12:48.239 --> 01:12:51.119
and while Ruby was nowhere to be found to face

1325
01:12:51.159 --> 01:12:53.359
what was happening in the exact moment when it happened.

1326
01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.479
These children, these babies weren't so lucky. There was no

1327
01:12:56.520 --> 01:12:59.399
one to defend them. Over the last year. There was

1328
01:12:59.439 --> 01:13:01.920
no way that they could escape what they were being

1329
01:13:01.960 --> 01:13:07.079
forced to endure. And interestingly to me is that Ruby

1330
01:13:07.199 --> 01:13:09.359
arrived at the home, like I told you, during the

1331
01:13:09.399 --> 01:13:11.920
search warrant that was being executed, and she was told

1332
01:13:11.960 --> 01:13:16.960
to wait outside with Jody. Neither woman asked about the children.

1333
01:13:17.319 --> 01:13:20.079
Neither one of them said a word, not where are they?

1334
01:13:20.239 --> 01:13:23.600
What's going on? Are my babies hurt? Where are my babies?

1335
01:13:23.920 --> 01:13:28.520
What's going on? Nothing? They didn't ask one question. What

1336
01:13:28.600 --> 01:13:31.680
they hid behind was silence. But it was going to

1337
01:13:31.720 --> 01:13:33.920
be really, really hard for either of the women to deny,

1338
01:13:34.279 --> 01:13:39.000
considering Ruby had documented everything in her journal. And so look,

1339
01:13:39.039 --> 01:13:41.760
while a majority of the fifty pages of writings that

1340
01:13:41.760 --> 01:13:43.079
I've had, and I've read all of them, I've got

1341
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:44.479
them right here. I'm gonna put them on Patreon and

1342
01:13:44.520 --> 01:13:46.319
you can look at them. Or her handwriting is hard

1343
01:13:46.319 --> 01:13:48.520
to read, and she kind of babbles on and on

1344
01:13:48.600 --> 01:13:52.520
in this incoherent just nonsense, but a lot of it.

1345
01:13:53.000 --> 01:13:55.600
It's been redactive. I've read every single page of it,

1346
01:13:55.640 --> 01:13:59.199
and the writing's detail just how mean and hateful this

1347
01:13:59.279 --> 01:14:01.840
woman is towards her own kids. First of all, they

1348
01:14:01.880 --> 01:14:06.159
weren't allowed any electronics, nothing, zero, type of entertainment. And

1349
01:14:06.439 --> 01:14:09.399
they were there so long with no sense of any

1350
01:14:09.439 --> 01:14:13.319
information or outside source or gaming or any fun or

1351
01:14:13.399 --> 01:14:16.159
entertainment that they didn't even know what month or day

1352
01:14:16.199 --> 01:14:18.880
it was. Matter of fact, when it was Russell's birthday,

1353
01:14:19.119 --> 01:14:20.920
she wrote in here, and I'm not again, I'm not

1354
01:14:20.920 --> 01:14:22.920
gonna read it. I'm just gonna shorthand it for you

1355
01:14:22.960 --> 01:14:25.199
and you'll get the gist. But she wrote in there

1356
01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:28.279
that how he was. Basically she mocked him and said,

1357
01:14:28.279 --> 01:14:29.760
he doesn't even know what day it is. He doesn't

1358
01:14:29.760 --> 01:14:31.319
even know it's about to be his birthday. I didn't

1359
01:14:31.319 --> 01:14:33.439
expect he'd still be pooping his pee and his pants

1360
01:14:33.439 --> 01:14:35.800
at this age, you know, blah blah blah blah blah.

1361
01:14:35.840 --> 01:14:37.640
But the reason he's pooping and pe in his pantschall

1362
01:14:37.800 --> 01:14:41.720
is because he's in such gastro intestinal distress from lack

1363
01:14:41.760 --> 01:14:43.880
of eating that when he does eat, it's giving him

1364
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:47.039
just massive troubles in his bowels. And then she mocks

1365
01:14:47.079 --> 01:14:49.279
this child for it and what he's going through with

1366
01:14:49.319 --> 01:14:54.159
these terrible stomach aches. It's it's terrible. They would regularly

1367
01:14:54.720 --> 01:14:56.960
deny them the food and water, and then they would

1368
01:14:56.960 --> 01:14:59.640
put them outside, and in other sections, she makes the

1369
01:14:59.680 --> 01:15:03.000
baby stand outside in the sun for hours on end

1370
01:15:03.000 --> 01:15:05.520
to the point of just heat exhaustion, and if he

1371
01:15:05.560 --> 01:15:07.800
would try to step back into the shade, she went

1372
01:15:07.840 --> 01:15:10.479
out there with a cactus poker and she would poke him,

1373
01:15:10.520 --> 01:15:12.920
poke him in the back, she poked him in the neck.

1374
01:15:13.119 --> 01:15:15.560
He became so despondent at one point that Jody goes

1375
01:15:15.600 --> 01:15:17.880
out there and starts slapping the baby on the cheeks

1376
01:15:17.880 --> 01:15:20.840
to try to wake him up from the from the

1377
01:15:20.920 --> 01:15:23.760
trance that he was in, just just dying from the

1378
01:15:23.800 --> 01:15:27.560
heat exhaustion. She called it inviting them to fast. Whenever

1379
01:15:27.560 --> 01:15:32.319
she wouldn't give them food, they would eve. She documents

1380
01:15:32.359 --> 01:15:34.279
multiple times about how the baby would lay in the

1381
01:15:34.319 --> 01:15:37.399
closet and just scream and say, my mom thinks she's

1382
01:15:37.399 --> 01:15:39.279
a good mom, but she won't feed me. All she

1383
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:41.479
does is lay there and eat brownies, which means she

1384
01:15:41.560 --> 01:15:44.079
was eating in front of the kids and terrorizing them

1385
01:15:44.079 --> 01:15:47.800
that way. They took joy in some of the writings

1386
01:15:47.920 --> 01:15:51.000
about cleansing the children dumping old mop water on top

1387
01:15:51.039 --> 01:15:54.800
of Russell outside in the heat cooking. She dumped old

1388
01:15:54.880 --> 01:15:58.239
dog water. I guess they bathed the dog. I don't know,

1389
01:15:58.399 --> 01:16:01.680
but dump that on Eve. They didn't get a bed.

1390
01:16:01.840 --> 01:16:04.159
They slept on the floor. They were forced to do

1391
01:16:04.239 --> 01:16:08.159
physical labor. They would fill boxes full of heavy stuff

1392
01:16:08.199 --> 01:16:10.079
and then make the kids go up and down, carrying

1393
01:16:10.119 --> 01:16:13.000
the boxes up and down. Because she wanted them to

1394
01:16:13.000 --> 01:16:15.920
get what she called natural outcomes, which means exhaustion to

1395
01:16:15.960 --> 01:16:20.720
the point of collapsing and pain and hurt. They would

1396
01:16:20.760 --> 01:16:22.880
get forced to do wall sits. I don't know if

1397
01:16:22.880 --> 01:16:24.319
you've ever done those before, but I used to do

1398
01:16:24.399 --> 01:16:27.119
them whenever I played sports as a kid. And basically

1399
01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:30.000
you're sitting up against the wall, but there's no chair

1400
01:16:30.119 --> 01:16:32.199
or stool underneath you. And they would make them do

1401
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:34.680
it for hours at a time, and then if they complained,

1402
01:16:34.760 --> 01:16:36.960
or if they fell or their legs gave out, then

1403
01:16:37.000 --> 01:16:40.079
they got punishments for that. They would trick them and

1404
01:16:40.159 --> 01:16:41.880
make them think that they were gonna feed them and

1405
01:16:41.920 --> 01:16:44.279
then take the food away from them. But they were

1406
01:16:44.279 --> 01:16:48.279
supposed to be learning from this. They would take their

1407
01:16:48.279 --> 01:16:51.399
shoes and socks and then have them go and perform

1408
01:16:51.479 --> 01:16:56.319
outdoor labor in the sweltering heat with no shoes one

1409
01:16:56.319 --> 01:16:59.600
the scalding terrain which would cook their feet and cut

1410
01:16:59.640 --> 01:17:01.560
up their feet. And there's a video of this too.

1411
01:17:01.600 --> 01:17:03.840
I'll put it on Patreon too. There's a short snippet

1412
01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:07.359
of a video of of of Eve and she's got

1413
01:17:07.359 --> 01:17:09.319
a trash bag out in the middle of the freaking

1414
01:17:09.439 --> 01:17:13.039
desert in a cemetery and they're forcing her to to

1415
01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:15.880
weed and pick up broken glass yards and all of

1416
01:17:15.880 --> 01:17:18.600
that out of the cemetery with no shoes or any

1417
01:17:18.640 --> 01:17:21.600
sun protection or anything, while whoever's filming it is sitting

1418
01:17:21.640 --> 01:17:24.279
in a car listening to rock music in the shade,

1419
01:17:24.760 --> 01:17:28.159
while these kids are just being tortured day in and

1420
01:17:28.319 --> 01:17:34.279
day out, beaten and bound. Russell wants, this is so pitiful, y'all.

1421
01:17:34.279 --> 01:17:36.279
It hurts my heart to even tell it. Russell once

1422
01:17:36.319 --> 01:17:42.079
tried to run away, and when he did so, he

1423
01:17:42.159 --> 01:17:46.159
had written he was outside for so long that he

1424
01:17:46.199 --> 01:17:49.279
had written. He took pebbles and he wrote in in

1425
01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:52.479
on the ground, in the pedal, in the pebbles jail.

1426
01:17:53.279 --> 01:17:55.439
I'll call you something to the effect of I'll call

1427
01:17:55.479 --> 01:17:58.239
you whenever I get there. And there's so much more

1428
01:17:58.279 --> 01:18:02.920
to this in what it sounds like. Okay, they did

1429
01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.479
end up going and finding him. They went out driving

1430
01:18:05.520 --> 01:18:07.199
and they found him. When they brought him back, they

1431
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:10.119
hog tied him and made him lay hog tied with

1432
01:18:10.600 --> 01:18:12.800
ropes and chains and all this kind of shit for

1433
01:18:13.439 --> 01:18:17.199
running away. But little Russell was asked at the hospital,

1434
01:18:17.439 --> 01:18:19.159
why did you want to go to jail? And his

1435
01:18:19.239 --> 01:18:21.720
answer is a gut punch from a little twelve year

1436
01:18:21.760 --> 01:18:25.880
old boy. He was convinced, through the abuse and the

1437
01:18:25.880 --> 01:18:28.880
mental anguish that he had endured, that he was in

1438
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:32.199
fact evil, And the reason he had asked the neighbors

1439
01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:35.399
to bring him to a police station for help instead

1440
01:18:35.399 --> 01:18:38.319
of calling to literally get help. The reason he said

1441
01:18:38.439 --> 01:18:40.680
please bring me to a police station was because he

1442
01:18:40.760 --> 01:18:44.359
was ready, in his own words, to pay for his sins,

1443
01:18:44.640 --> 01:18:47.640
because the women had drilled into his head that after

1444
01:18:47.680 --> 01:18:50.079
you're done repenting, you're gonna have to go to jail

1445
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:52.319
for your sins. And he just wanted to go to

1446
01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:54.640
jail because he thought if he went there it would

1447
01:18:54.680 --> 01:18:58.159
absolve him of his sins and he could stop, hopefully,

1448
01:18:58.199 --> 01:19:02.119
the torture that he was going through. They held him underwater,

1449
01:19:02.520 --> 01:19:05.800
smothered him underwater in the pool, held his mouth and

1450
01:19:05.800 --> 01:19:10.319
his nose closed. In some of the writings, whenever she

1451
01:19:10.399 --> 01:19:14.479
would bound up Russell and handcuff him, she kicked him,

1452
01:19:14.520 --> 01:19:16.399
and she didn't like the results she got, so she

1453
01:19:16.439 --> 01:19:18.520
went and she put them boots and then went back

1454
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:23.079
to kick him some more to make sure that really hurt.

1455
01:19:22.000 --> 01:19:25.560
She convinced them that they were evil and that they

1456
01:19:25.600 --> 01:19:27.960
were possessed, and the only way that they could ever

1457
01:19:28.000 --> 01:19:31.159
avoid any punishment for their possessions was by obeying her

1458
01:19:31.520 --> 01:19:35.840
and Hildebrant Jody Hildebrant forced that nine year old little

1459
01:19:35.880 --> 01:19:41.199
Eve to run and jump into a cactus. I mean,

1460
01:19:41.279 --> 01:19:45.119
it's just this is just so horrible. And the emotional

1461
01:19:45.119 --> 01:19:47.560
abuse that they suffered was beyond anything that you could

1462
01:19:47.600 --> 01:19:50.560
comprehend someone doing to their own children. And they told

1463
01:19:50.600 --> 01:19:52.880
the kids that they were doing it as acts of love,

1464
01:19:53.640 --> 01:19:58.159
so brainwashed by these women, just like a cult would

1465
01:19:58.199 --> 01:20:02.199
do to convince them they deserved the abuse. And this

1466
01:20:02.359 --> 01:20:05.399
was evidenced whenever Russell talked to the neighbor and when

1467
01:20:05.399 --> 01:20:07.159
he asked him, what's up with the duct tape, and

1468
01:20:07.159 --> 01:20:09.039
he said, it's my own fault. Do you remember that

1469
01:20:09.039 --> 01:20:13.239
from the beginning, all of this done over a year,

1470
01:20:13.520 --> 01:20:16.720
and their dad the whole time, Kevin was thinking that

1471
01:20:16.840 --> 01:20:19.159
he had done something to cause his family to separate

1472
01:20:19.199 --> 01:20:22.239
from him and trying to better himself so that he

1473
01:20:22.319 --> 01:20:25.439
deserved his family, with no clue as to what was

1474
01:20:25.439 --> 01:20:28.399
going on behind closed doors to his kids this entire time,

1475
01:20:28.720 --> 01:20:31.960
and during the questioning going back to Kevin, he was adamant,

1476
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:33.359
if you want to know how much he didn't know.

1477
01:20:33.600 --> 01:20:35.760
He was adamant that his wife was a good mother

1478
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:38.359
and that he trusted her and that she would do

1479
01:20:38.399 --> 01:20:42.199
best for their kids. You know, while ever, while he

1480
01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:44.399
was absent and he had no clue that those kids

1481
01:20:44.399 --> 01:20:48.159
were suffering. So basically, what the investigation found was that

1482
01:20:48.279 --> 01:20:51.640
Jody and Ruby believed that the abuse that they were

1483
01:20:51.680 --> 01:20:56.319
inflicting was necessary for repentance for the children's sins, and

1484
01:20:56.399 --> 01:20:58.520
that they were going to cast out evil spirits from

1485
01:20:58.560 --> 01:21:01.279
their bodies. And this is where the importance of a

1486
01:21:01.279 --> 01:21:03.720
police report comes in, because the riding had been on

1487
01:21:03.760 --> 01:21:05.840
the wall the whole time. You know, what they found

1488
01:21:05.880 --> 01:21:09.760
in their investigation about this, so much slipped through the cracks.

1489
01:21:09.840 --> 01:21:12.079
It should have never gotten to this point, and this

1490
01:21:12.119 --> 01:21:14.840
is why I always encourage people please file police reports,

1491
01:21:14.880 --> 01:21:17.159
even if you think something as small. Filed the damn

1492
01:21:17.199 --> 01:21:20.239
police reports. Because it turns out the police had been

1493
01:21:20.319 --> 01:21:23.680
to the original Frankie home numerous times over the three

1494
01:21:23.760 --> 01:21:27.239
years after the couple had been separated. During that time,

1495
01:21:27.520 --> 01:21:29.439
two of those times it was regarding the children of

1496
01:21:29.479 --> 01:21:32.279
the welfare and on April sixteenth of twenty twenty two,

1497
01:21:32.600 --> 01:21:35.640
a case worker from DCFS called the police to report

1498
01:21:35.680 --> 01:21:39.560
that there were two unsupervised children running in the street,

1499
01:21:39.800 --> 01:21:42.319
and an officer did go to check on them, but

1500
01:21:42.359 --> 01:21:44.319
he didn't see any kids in the street whenever he

1501
01:21:44.359 --> 01:21:48.079
got there. Then, on September eighteenth of twenty twenty two,

1502
01:21:48.199 --> 01:21:51.760
the oldest Frankie child, Sherry, she had called and requested

1503
01:21:51.800 --> 01:21:54.159
a welfare check because she said her younger siblings were

1504
01:21:54.199 --> 01:21:56.880
left at home alone for five days. Their mother wasn't

1505
01:21:56.880 --> 01:21:59.079
there and she was afraid that they didn't have any food.

1506
01:21:59.279 --> 01:22:01.760
But when the cops got there, the kids wouldn't answer

1507
01:22:01.800 --> 01:22:04.319
the door, so the police left after about an hour

1508
01:22:04.439 --> 01:22:06.880
or two of trying to get them to answer the door.

1509
01:22:07.199 --> 01:22:10.399
But the police did talk to neighbors who confirmed their suspicions.

1510
01:22:10.640 --> 01:22:14.079
They wrote a report, but there was no outcome that

1511
01:22:14.199 --> 01:22:18.279
came from it because they never saw the children. And

1512
01:22:18.319 --> 01:22:20.079
I want to tell you something. This is why the

1513
01:22:20.199 --> 01:22:23.760
laws matter and why I preached this over and over again. Amazingly,

1514
01:22:24.319 --> 01:22:28.800
the neighbor, a neighbor that called to report herself that

1515
01:22:28.840 --> 01:22:31.479
she saw these kids and they were unsupervised. Do you

1516
01:22:31.479 --> 01:22:33.800
know what she was told by DCFS when she called

1517
01:22:33.840 --> 01:22:36.159
to tell them about these children who were not had

1518
01:22:36.239 --> 01:22:40.760
no parents at home. She was told that Utah's free

1519
01:22:40.880 --> 01:22:45.000
arrange parenting law was an effect and that basically, if

1520
01:22:45.079 --> 01:22:47.399
if kids basic needs were being met, if they had

1521
01:22:47.439 --> 01:22:50.840
food on had food, and they were clothed, and they

1522
01:22:50.880 --> 01:22:54.119
looked they looked mature enough to be playing independently, then

1523
01:22:54.159 --> 01:22:57.000
it's not considered neglect and there's nothing that anyone could

1524
01:22:57.000 --> 01:23:02.159
do about it. Free Arrange Parenting law, Get it together, Utah. Basically,

1525
01:23:02.359 --> 01:23:05.680
if the kids weren't injured, then DCFS wasn't an authority

1526
01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:08.800
to do anything. There was also a report against Jody

1527
01:23:08.880 --> 01:23:12.079
Hildebrandt Okay, and this was in twenty ten. Check this out.

1528
01:23:12.399 --> 01:23:14.760
Her own niece, her name was Jesse by the way,

1529
01:23:15.159 --> 01:23:17.520
lived with her and said she was forced to sleep

1530
01:23:17.560 --> 01:23:20.279
outside in a sleeping bag. She had her mouth duct

1531
01:23:20.279 --> 01:23:24.399
taped shut, and similarly to the Frankie children, she wasn't

1532
01:23:24.520 --> 01:23:26.600
enrolled in school when she was with her aunt, and

1533
01:23:26.680 --> 01:23:29.600
she was forced through humiliation tactics like wearing the same

1534
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:32.079
dirty clothes for weeks at a time. A report was

1535
01:23:32.119 --> 01:23:36.520
made on this, and her niece even said that there

1536
01:23:36.560 --> 01:23:40.159
was such severe emotional and spiritual and psychological abuse going

1537
01:23:40.199 --> 01:23:44.239
on that Jody convinced her that she was a porn

1538
01:23:44.279 --> 01:23:47.800
addict and that she was addicted to masturbation. Like this

1539
01:23:47.960 --> 01:23:52.520
is so perverted, that distortion that Jody talks about. It

1540
01:23:52.560 --> 01:23:54.720
sounds a whole lot about what was going on with Kevin,

1541
01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:57.760
if not identical to what it's like paint by numbers

1542
01:23:57.760 --> 01:24:01.159
with this woman, Jesse said or her niece. Jesse said

1543
01:24:01.359 --> 01:24:04.479
that Jody's goal was to make life so uncomfortable that

1544
01:24:04.520 --> 01:24:08.800
it would force sin out of her. If someone spoke

1545
01:24:08.880 --> 01:24:11.279
to her, she was told that she was not to

1546
01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:14.119
respond and she was just to stare. And doesn't that

1547
01:24:14.159 --> 01:24:16.880
sound just like what Ruby did? By the way, if

1548
01:24:16.880 --> 01:24:20.039
you didn't know this. When Ruby was finally arrested, she

1549
01:24:20.079 --> 01:24:22.119
wouldn't talk to the cops. She just stared at them

1550
01:24:22.119 --> 01:24:27.600
that defiant mean mug stare that Jody gave whenever her

1551
01:24:27.600 --> 01:24:32.600
house was being searched. So everyone's being told not to speak,

1552
01:24:32.640 --> 01:24:35.520
they're not speaking, they're afraid to speak, and they're just staring.

1553
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:38.399
That's what Eve did when she was found and sat

1554
01:24:38.399 --> 01:24:41.079
in the closet for four hours, and a further look

1555
01:24:41.119 --> 01:24:44.680
into it would show that Jody had been chastised professionally

1556
01:24:45.119 --> 01:24:48.199
because she was placed on probation in twenty twelve. Whenever

1557
01:24:48.319 --> 01:24:52.520
the so called Counselor of Morality and Righteousness violated a

1558
01:24:52.520 --> 01:24:55.880
patient privacy law and discussed a patient she was seeing's

1559
01:24:55.960 --> 01:24:58.760
record with an elder at the Church of Jesus Christ

1560
01:24:58.800 --> 01:25:03.479
in Latter day Saints. Well, according to Utah law, though

1561
01:25:03.680 --> 01:25:06.119
this might be interesting to you, like how is this

1562
01:25:06.239 --> 01:25:09.640
not being seen or over any oversight? Well, according to

1563
01:25:09.720 --> 01:25:13.479
Utah law, the state websites that have public access to

1564
01:25:13.640 --> 01:25:17.479
disciplinary records of professionals, they have to remove anything after

1565
01:25:17.560 --> 01:25:21.079
ten years. But on top of that, if Jody petitioned

1566
01:25:21.079 --> 01:25:23.279
to have it removed, it could have been removed after

1567
01:25:23.359 --> 01:25:27.880
five years. Is how are these laws helping people? If anything,

1568
01:25:27.880 --> 01:25:30.439
it looks like it's aiding Whenever there's someone that could

1569
01:25:30.479 --> 01:25:33.920
easily be victimized, people who need counseling and children. I

1570
01:25:33.920 --> 01:25:36.079
don't understand this. I don't understand how any of this

1571
01:25:36.159 --> 01:25:39.800
could have been done. Where was the moral superiority, Jody?

1572
01:25:40.319 --> 01:25:43.239
Whenever you were talking of outside of hippo laws about

1573
01:25:43.279 --> 01:25:46.760
your clients with the church. It sure seems like what

1574
01:25:47.000 --> 01:25:50.560
doesn't that things don't apply to you. That's what a

1575
01:25:50.640 --> 01:25:53.039
cult leader would say too. Think about it. It sure

1576
01:25:53.079 --> 01:25:56.680
seems that way. After uncovering all of this evidence and

1577
01:25:56.760 --> 01:25:59.359
the additional information that I've just exposed to you from

1578
01:25:59.439 --> 01:26:03.439
the investigation, the police arrested both Ruby Frankie and Jody

1579
01:26:03.520 --> 01:26:07.039
Hildebrant for child abuse and Jodie, like I told you,

1580
01:26:07.079 --> 01:26:09.760
she doesn't say much. Ruby won't say anything. She just

1581
01:26:09.800 --> 01:26:12.640
stares at them. She stares so much an officer even

1582
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:14.960
asks if something's wrong with her, does she need medical attention?

1583
01:26:16.079 --> 01:26:20.439
And when her estranged husband, Kevin was eventually all of

1584
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:23.399
this information was revealed to him about the horrific details

1585
01:26:23.560 --> 01:26:26.119
of his child's treatment or his children's treatment over the

1586
01:26:26.199 --> 01:26:28.720
last year, he flat out threat like he throws his head,

1587
01:26:28.840 --> 01:26:31.199
his hands in his head, and he's like, I don't

1588
01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:33.680
know what to do. And then he starts crying and

1589
01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:35.560
he says, you know, I look at my wall every day,

1590
01:26:35.600 --> 01:26:37.560
the picture of my family that I've been doing everything

1591
01:26:37.560 --> 01:26:39.800
to try to get back, and this just sounds like

1592
01:26:39.840 --> 01:26:41.680
a horror movie. I'm having just a really hard time

1593
01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:46.319
accepting what's going on. I just want my kids. Ruby's

1594
01:26:46.359 --> 01:26:49.680
own sisters, who by the way, were also parenting influencers,

1595
01:26:49.840 --> 01:26:52.039
they released a joint statement saying they were relieve their

1596
01:26:52.039 --> 01:26:57.880
own sister had been arrested. So Kevin frank Frankie from

1597
01:26:57.880 --> 01:27:00.760
that point, once he realized every that was going on,

1598
01:27:01.000 --> 01:27:03.279
he moved back into the marital home and his focus

1599
01:27:03.279 --> 01:27:06.640
became to get his children back, who were all now

1600
01:27:06.720 --> 01:27:09.840
in state custody except for the oldest two. He did

1601
01:27:09.840 --> 01:27:11.960
go ahead and he filed for divorce from Ruby. I

1602
01:27:11.960 --> 01:27:13.760
guess once he saw the light, he realized what was

1603
01:27:13.800 --> 01:27:16.960
going on. So on September nineteenth of twenty twenty three,

1604
01:27:17.319 --> 01:27:23.560
Jody Hildebrandt surrendered a counseling license thanks Jody. A month later,

1605
01:27:23.920 --> 01:27:27.439
they both pled guilty to four counts of aggravated child abuse,

1606
01:27:27.720 --> 01:27:30.840
and on February twentieth of twenty twenty four, Judge John

1607
01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:33.920
Walton sentenced both of them to serve four to thirty

1608
01:27:34.000 --> 01:27:36.960
years in Utah State Prison, which I didn't write this

1609
01:27:37.039 --> 01:27:40.239
in here, but by the way, Utah law also says

1610
01:27:40.279 --> 01:27:45.880
that if you sentence someone to consecutive sentences, it can't

1611
01:27:45.880 --> 01:27:50.199
exceed thirty years. So like, what's the point in consecutively,

1612
01:27:50.439 --> 01:27:52.359
you know, sentencing somebody because they're only going to max

1613
01:27:52.399 --> 01:27:56.079
out at thirty years for what they do to people? Ridiculous.

1614
01:27:56.840 --> 01:27:58.560
But if you want to know how the oldest children

1615
01:27:58.600 --> 01:28:00.880
are doing, the oldest two Frankie kids, they're doing well.

1616
01:28:01.279 --> 01:28:04.720
Sherry is reportedly a student at BYU and she's become

1617
01:28:04.800 --> 01:28:07.840
a front runner fighting for law changes for vlogging and

1618
01:28:07.960 --> 01:28:10.960
child influencers who she feels are just hurt in the

1619
01:28:11.000 --> 01:28:13.319
process of their parents trying to gain fame or money.

1620
01:28:14.239 --> 01:28:17.960
Chad he started a real estate school and he's really

1621
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:20.720
moving on trying to accomplish all of his goals. The

1622
01:28:20.840 --> 01:28:25.199
four youngest Frankie children, including Russell and Eve, they continue

1623
01:28:25.359 --> 01:28:27.880
to be cared for both medically and in terms of

1624
01:28:27.880 --> 01:28:32.640
their mental health since their mother's arrest and their current

1625
01:28:32.960 --> 01:28:34.960
custody status. I'm just going to tell you is kind

1626
01:28:34.960 --> 01:28:38.479
of unknown because it's sealed from the public, but Kevin,

1627
01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:41.840
their father's attorney, did release a statement that says that

1628
01:28:41.880 --> 01:28:43.840
he is doing everything he can to ensure that he

1629
01:28:43.880 --> 01:28:47.159
gets his children back in his care. And something interesting

1630
01:28:47.159 --> 01:28:49.159
too it I want to tell you. Sherry, the oldest daughter,

1631
01:28:49.239 --> 01:28:51.399
also wrote a book about her ordeal. It's called The

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01:28:51.399 --> 01:28:52.960
House of My Mother and I went and I found

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it on Amazon. It's like twenty bucks, so you might

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want to check that out. But hurting children in the

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01:28:57.479 --> 01:28:59.479
name of God, I can tell you that's something that

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01:28:59.640 --> 01:29:04.640
we can never accept nor can we ever rationalize, because

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01:29:04.640 --> 01:29:07.399
what these kids did, or what these women did to

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01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:10.760
these kids like they're helpless children, And to me, it's

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01:29:10.800 --> 01:29:14.000
just unconscionable. And to make kids think that abuse is

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somehow synonymous with love and action is corrupt and it's

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01:29:17.840 --> 01:29:22.079
evil what these women did. To anyone listening who's ever

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01:29:22.119 --> 01:29:25.279
been hurt by so called religion in the name of love,

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and I know there's a lot of people out there

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01:29:26.920 --> 01:29:30.279
that have experienced things like this. There's only one truth

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01:29:30.680 --> 01:29:33.439
about love that you need to know, and it's the

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01:29:33.479 --> 01:29:36.479
fact that love is patient and that love is kind.

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01:29:37.439 --> 01:29:42.359
Love doesn't envy, it doesn't boast, it's not proud, it

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01:29:42.399 --> 01:29:47.399
doesn't dishonor others. It's not self seeking, it's not easily angered,

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01:29:47.680 --> 01:29:51.880
and love keeps no record of wrongs. Love doesn't delight

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01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:56.079
in evil. It only rejoices in the truth. Love always protects,

1651
01:29:56.279 --> 01:30:01.359
it always trusts, it always hopes, and it also all perseveres.

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01:30:01.479 --> 01:30:04.800
And I want you to know that real love never fails.

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01:30:05.960 --> 01:30:08.840
I guess Jody and Ruby missed that part when they

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01:30:08.840 --> 01:30:12.239
were picking and choosing their so called truths. And this

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01:30:12.359 --> 01:30:16.039
is why being an influencer means nothing to me in

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01:30:16.039 --> 01:30:19.399
this world. I don't want to influence people. I want

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01:30:19.439 --> 01:30:23.239
to lead by example. And to me, the hero of

1658
01:30:23.239 --> 01:30:26.520
this story, it's a malnourished and beaten twelve year old

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01:30:26.600 --> 01:30:29.119
child who was brave enough to break free from an

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01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:32.239
abusive and sick household in the name of looking for

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01:30:32.359 --> 01:30:35.840
better for himself and to achieve healing. He is the

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01:30:35.880 --> 01:30:40.239
hero of the story to me, because true influencing it's

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01:30:40.279 --> 01:30:46.239
not a camera and makeup and words. True influencing is

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01:30:46.279 --> 01:30:49.720
a dedication to being the best you and treating people

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01:30:50.000 --> 01:30:54.079
with respect at all times. And the facade put on

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01:30:54.520 --> 01:30:58.239
for likes and follows and the sales of workbooks is

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01:30:58.279 --> 01:31:01.079
a joke. And those women men should be out just

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01:31:01.239 --> 01:31:05.640
they should just be ashamed of their behavior. The children

1669
01:31:05.840 --> 01:31:08.720
in this story have more integrity and strength in their

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01:31:08.800 --> 01:31:11.479
wounds than you two women will ever have. And as

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01:31:11.520 --> 01:31:14.880
far as spiritual depth goes, y'all are sorely lacking ladies.

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And I've stepped in puddles deeper than you