Feb. 19, 2025

A Father's Fight: The Interview With Baron Li

A Father's Fight: The Interview With Baron Li

In this episode of Unspeakable, Kelly Jennings interviews Baron Li, who shares his harrowing life story, including his experiences in the foster care system, the challenges of parenting a medically fragile child, and the unraveling of his marriage....

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Season 7

In this episode of Unspeakable, Kelly Jennings interviews Baron Li, who shares his harrowing life story, including his experiences in the foster care system, the challenges of parenting a medically fragile child, and the unraveling of his marriage. Baron Baron also shares his harrowing experience of surviving a shooting, the emotional aftermath, and his journey towards healing and advocacy.

Timestamps
02:23 Baron's Early Life and Foster Care Experience
06:01 Meeting His Ex-Wife and Family Dynamics
09:02 Pregnancy Challenges and Birth Decisions
11:22 Eric's Health Crisis and Medical Malpractice
16:55 Struggles of Parenting a Medically Fragile Child
20:00 The Unraveling of the Marriage
44:58 Navigating the Legal System for Custody
46:21 Seeking Legal Support for Justice
47:14 Reflections on the Day of the Incident
49:36 Survival Instincts During the Attack
59:10 Advocacy for Foster Care and Youth Empowerment

Baron Li on Linktree https://linktr.ee/baronbli

More information on Route 21 can be found here: https://www.rte21.org

Keywords
Baron Li, foster care, parenting, medical malpractice, family dynamics, mental health, divorce, child health, personal story, resilience, custody battle, child support, parental rights, family court, Munchausen syndrome, protective order, legal struggles, fatherhood, child welfare, family law, Baron Li, Kelly Jennings, gun violence, foster care, youth empowerment, legal support, survival story, compassion, advocacy, community support

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable.

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Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised.

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Hey, y'all's cage.

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Kay, You're back for another episode of Unspeakable, and I

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am so excited for the one that I've got for

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you today. Now, if you're on my Patreon, you would

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know already actually who I'm going to be speaking with today,

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But if not, you are in for a treat. So

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do you remember the episode that I just recently dropped

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about a certain Baron Lee and his son Dragon and

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all that he went through during this custody issue with

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his son. Well, I have none other than mister Baron

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Lee on the on the show with me. So how

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are you doing?

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Baron?

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Doing great? Kelly? Thanks?

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I am so excited literally to have you here and

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everyone in my household knows who you are because I

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was like, I talked to him.

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I talked to the Asian fifty cent.

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He's gonna tell me the story and he's gonna talk

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to me live.

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So I know that everybody's going to be just so

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tickled to No. Number One.

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I got so much feedback saying, oh my god, thank

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god he was okay. You know what a loss that

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would have been for everybody involved, and including your precious

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dragon that his daddy, you know, might have been just

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wiped off the planet for no good reason, you know.

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So I'm so glad that you're okay.

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Second of all, thank you for answering my messages and

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being willing to speak to me because.

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I'm your biggest fan.

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And guys that are listening, guys and gals, I said

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that before I ever spoke to the man. When I

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said I'm his biggest fan, I meant every word of

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it before I ever spoke to him. So let's start

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out with this. So I want to tell you all

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how it went.

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It was kind of neat.

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So I was teaching that day at school and he

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had messaged me online and said, hey, I'd love to

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chat with you. And I happen to have an off hour,

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not an off hour if anyone's listening, it's a planning period.

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And I happen to need to use that hour to

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speak to Bearn. And so I went.

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Outside and parked my butt on a curb and we

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just had the best chat. We talked for over an hour,

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and there was so much that I don't think I

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on purpose. I know for a fact I didn't get

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it wrong on purpose. But you know, it's hard when

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you're learning just from research and from and watching videos

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and things like that. You try to put it all

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together and make it make sense. But you pointed out

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so many things that I don't think have been covered

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in depth on other episodes you've done with other maybe

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other podcasts or even with your.

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TV special that you did.

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So when we spoke, first of all, let's go back

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to when you started saying when when the baby was

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first born? Okay? Or actually, can we go back to

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where y'all met? You said y'all met in Las Vegas?

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Is that correct?

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Yeah? I actually met her online. She claimed she was eighteen,

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and I really didn't want to have anything to do

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with her, and she kept messaging me every single day.

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We played a video game online and it was just

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one day she asked me a question about the power

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ball and said, if you want the power Ball, what

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would you do? And my reply was, I do nothing.

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I'd be happy to just be able to have the

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ability to do nothing. She was like, So I asked

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her the same question, and she told me she wanted

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to change the FOSSE cure system. And so me growing

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up in foster care, that intrigued me, and I was

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just curious, and so I started talking to her wondering

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why that was her you know her response, and so

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that's how we started talking.

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Did let me ask you this too, because I'm just

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curious too. Do you talk about why you were in

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foster care at all?

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No? I hadn't mentioned anything to her at all, have you?

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But have you done it on any shows or any

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any of your writing.

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Such a little bit. I didn't really got into full detail.

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I mean, I grew I grew up in the foster

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cure system since I was three, so from greed and

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then I aged out at seventeen, So seventeen different placements,

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six group homes, in and out of Julie Detention centers.

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So, yeah, and you never knew your parents, so to space.

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I did. I knew both my parents. I actually went

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back to live with my dad twice, once when I

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was nine and once when I was thirteen. Both times

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he wasn't ready to be a dad, and I ended

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up either going back to foster and the second time

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he sent me to a group home. I gotcha.

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So, were there drugs involved in that situation or just.

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Not just abuse?

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Just abuse, just abuse.

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That's kind of saying when people.

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When people hear about my shooting, I tell them that's

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not the first time I cheated death. You know. I

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was found in a bathtub in an inch of water

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when I was three years old. My parents had burned

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me with a clothing iron on both off my arms,

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both my legs, and I was laying in that for

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about three days, and the neighbors finally called the police

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because they heard some baby crying for three days and

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then when they found me, I was barely alive and

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they rescued me, and then I was putting foster care.

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So is this one of those things where you want

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to love your parents, they made it hard to do that.

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Yeah, you know, the I think this is comic case

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for most most foster kids, even even though their abuse

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their parents are abusers, they always have that yearning to

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be with their parents. So you, I know, you think

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as a kid, you think, hey, if I be better,

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do different, they won't abuse me, They'll be my loving parent.

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You know, you have that hope, right, But it's not

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always the case.

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You know, I got you well, I guess to the

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young baron that went through that my heart is with you.

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And you know I've told you this that I'm a

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teacher and I've seen a whole lot of different circumstances

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that had I not been a teacher, I would have

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never believed, I would say, and never you know, people

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kind of squatch their face up. Really is that how

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that went? Yeah, that's how that went. It's exactly how

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that went. So to the younger you, I wish I

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could have helped you out there, but you know you

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turned out so great that this is just you're You're

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an example. I would say to young people who are struggling,

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maybe they're in the foster care system, or maybe they're

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in a situation where parents are not what we need

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them to be, or they're not capable that you can

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power through dig in and you can become an amazing individual.

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And your story, you know, just began when you were

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little and you went through so much. So kudos to you,

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I guess in that regard, but thanks for letting me know.

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I was very curious of why you were in the

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foster care system. Would you say, having experienced it, did

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you ever have any foster placements that you really loved?

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So my second placement, I stayed there from age four

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or five till I was thirteen. I left them when

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I was nine to go live with my dad for

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a couple of months, but then I ended up going

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back to them. It's a really great placement. It was

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never meant to be long term, and so eventually they

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wanted me, not that they the system wanted me to

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either get adopted or go back with my real parents.

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So I didn't leave them because there was any issues,

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but you know, the way the system set up, I

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wasn't meant to stay there.

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Do you have contact with them still?

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Yeah, actually to this day. We Actually my foster mom

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had two grown adult kids, and her daughter's husband lived

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with them as well, so all four of them raised

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me and Elouise far just passed away this Christmas Day,

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after the Christmas a couple a few months ago. And

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so she was ninety I think ninety eight or ninety seven,

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so she lived a really long life. But yeah, I've

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been in contact with them throughout my entire life because

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they've been a pivotal point in my life. Right, They've

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helped me with the values I have and still with me.

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A lot of the beliefs that I shared to this

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day I attribute to what they did when they raised me.

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Even though the.

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God I was gonna say, God, Yeah, God, bless those

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foster care parents that are willing to do that and

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able to do that.

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What a gift.

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Okay, so you met her online, and your ex wife

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you met her online, and y'all met up in Vegas

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just to kind of see.

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Yeah. Well, the story went that she wanted to come

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down and meet me, and then I guess her mom

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was going through a custody battle with her siblings, and

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she asked if she could bring her two younger brothers

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with her as well, and I'm like, I don't care, sure,

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why not? And so they drove down to Vegas to

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met me, and they ended up staying with me for

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a few months and then and then when her mom

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came to pick up her brothers, she told her mom

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that she's going to stay.

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She didn't want to leave, so she kind of showed

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up never left.

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Correct.

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Wow, Well, I guess at first that might would strike

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me as oh, she's really family oriented, and maybe that's

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a good virtue to see in somebody.

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But I like kids, So I mean at the time,

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I had no problem having kids around. I've always loved kids,

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and I've always wanted my own kids, so you.

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Know, yeah, Okay, I get it. And so y'all, how

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soon before y'all got married? How long did you date?

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So we met in October of actually, so October twenty

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eighties when we started talking. We met in January of

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two thousand and nine. We ended up getting married October tenth,

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twenty ten, so ten ten, ten.

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Okay, gotcha? So, I mean you did know where it was,

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and like, you got married within thirty.

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Years, almost almost almost a full two years.

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Married.

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Yeah, and then she gets pregnant.

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Correct, And there's no issues as far as with pregnancy

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and all of that. But she got mad about a

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comment that a doctor made.

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Yeah. Ok So a doctor told her you're putting too

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much weight on during your pregnancy and it's dangerous for

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the baby. And you know, I had done a lot

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of reading about because this is gonna be my first child,

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So I did a lot of reading and I had

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told her that several times before we went to the

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doctor's office. So to hear it from the doctor is

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like she was even more mad because I said it, right. Yeah,

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so she refused to go to have her baby, our

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baby born at that hospital and turned to a midwife's

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birthing center because of that.

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Yeah, okay, and so you feel yes, I mean, I'm

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not putting words in your mouth, but do you feel

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like that played a role in what ended up occurring

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with Eric and his health?

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Yeah, in a couple of ways. It affected it, you know,

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with Eric getting sick and the malpractice one. You know,

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we didn't have the professionals. Maybe a hospital would have

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had to handle the situation when he was sick, and

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he wouldn't have gotten as sick as he did had

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we had gotten more information. Right.

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So the so the MD doctor at the hospital is

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the one who pissed her off because of the weight

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gain comment, which is true because I started gaining a

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ton of weight with my second one, and my doctor said, Kelly,

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you're gonna get birth to an elephant if you don't

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quit with all this weight gain. And he was right.

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That was my biggest baby, was that one. But so

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she got mad. That's when she decided to go to

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the birthing center, which is where is that?

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Was that midwives or was.

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It Midwives Cascade Birthing Center and Everett.

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Yeah, and then she gives birth there, right, correct.

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So we go in. Uh, They're like, they're telling us

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that we have to come in just before she goes

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into labor, right, And so I did all the studies,

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you know, a mad to cervic see how far dilated

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they are, and I called in. I say she's ready

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to burst. We need to come in. They say you sure,

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you're sure. I'm like, yes, go in. We get in there,

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they stick her in the tub. Thirty minutes later, dragon

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pops out, full head of hair, healthy, healthy baby boy.

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And yeah, and then we go home, you.

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Know, and no problems. He was a healthy baby.

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And everything perfect delivery.

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Yeah, okay, but then you said that, uh, shortly thereafter,

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you knew something was wrong or going wrong.

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So third day he started looking yellow, which I researched

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she was jaundice, and so I called the birthing center

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and I just thought her, Hey, you know, he's a

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little jarundice. Is there anything that we can do to

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bring it down or what should we do? And they're like, oh,

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just put him in the sunlight. He'll be fine. So

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I thought that seems weird, but okay, vite him in

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d maybe okay, So we tried that. It didn't work.

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Day five, he's still getting more yellow, and so I

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call again and they're like, oh, he's Asian, He's gonna

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be a little yellow. That's that's normal.

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And I'm like, as if you don't know what Asian

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people like.

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That's weird. Yeah, I see, I thought that was weird.

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And then day seven, Uh, he starts just crying and

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won't stop, and which is weird because he was a

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very even cute baby. There was no crying up to

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that day. That was the first time he cried, and

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he kept crying crying. So I ended up brushed him

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to my family pedetrician and they say they look at

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him and say, oh, you need to get him to

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the hospital emergency room right now. And so we take

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them to Seattle Children's. The minute we arrive, they look

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at him and they're like taking them up to the

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newborn ICU and they shove us into a room and

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they're like, what's going on? You know, we had no

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clue what's going on?

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And would they tell you once you got in the

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room with him? Was it kind of like momb was dropped?

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Right then that they start they start telling me, telling

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me that he's sick. So he said, they have a

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form of hyperbilirubin and they said, that's a severe case

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of John. This typically babies between level ten or fifteen.

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They are put under a blue light to kind of

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bring that down. Anything over twenty they will have to

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do a blood transfusion to take out the bad blood

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and put in new blood. But they said, my son

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was a forty seven, the highest day anyone has ever

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seen in that hospital. So and so I'm like, what

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does that mean? And then they start painting out these

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scenarios of what could happen, like he could be a vegetable,

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he could die.

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Like this was no joke, not just a little yellow

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open in the sun.

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And then and I'm like, why why is this happening?

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And then they say, well, we discover that he has

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a rare genetic disorder called galactysmia. And I said, well's

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that and they say, well, glactose is broken down into

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two parts, glucose and galactose. Glucose gets burned in the

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body as energy. Galactos usually gets passed through your urine.

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A person with galact to see me, I can't break

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down galactos, so it stays in the bloodstream and ends

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up getting lodge in the.

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And basically poisons and poisons him.

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Yeah, and so you know, obviously I'm asking questions. I'm like, okay, well,

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then why weren't we told? Like that's all. It was like,

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we could have fed him, nourished, you know, some type

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of uh.

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Because breast milk was breast milk is.

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The same thing, right, And yeah, We're like, we could

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have gave him some type of formula, right, And they're

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like yeah, and then why weren't we notified? They said, well,

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the genetic testing just got in today. Somebody submitted it yesterday.

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And I'm like, what do you mean submitted yesterday? They said, yeah.

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The person that took the genetic testing, which was a

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nurse that came out to our house a week, you know,

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a week before she left it in the back of

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her trunk for a week.

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She left the blood sample in the back of her

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trunk for a week, for a week. And so that

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baby suffered, yeah, for a week, and he had to

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be a terrible gas stro in testinal just disturbed.

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Then the fact that he didn't cry to like day

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seven is just amazing. Yeah, tells you, you know what

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kind of resilience strength he had even as a baby. Yeah.

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And so had he been birthed in a hospital, I know,

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hindsight's twenty twenty, but had he been born in a hospital.

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That genetic tessing would have been done right there, and

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it would have been submitted right there.

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But all because of a angry over a weight gain comment.

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We got where we are.

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And that second part of that, the second part that

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would have been different if he had done in the hospital,

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because he was born in a birthing center. When we

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suit for mail practice, the maximum payout their insurance coverage

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was as a million dollars. Had he been in a hospital,

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we would be talking enough to take care of Eric

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for the rest of his life, you know, millions and mens.

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More right, because a million dollars. I hate to tell

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everybody here, A million dollars sounds like a lot of money,

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and it's not. Especially I got a medical bill in today,

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not to tell my personal business here, my daughter had

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to go to the hospital thirty nine thousand dollars. I

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got a bill two day in the mail to day

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thirty nine thousand dollars. So when people are like, oh,

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you got a million dollars, so what right the rest

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of his life? The rest of his life, and.

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Say, you didn't even get it all that because thirty

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five percent goes to the lawyer. So he's end up

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with six hundred and fifty thousand. That's nothing, nothing exactly.

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That's shame for shame for.

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All because of you know, one comment that you can't

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handle because that was the truth.

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You know, And I had to tell you every I

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don't hate to tell you, you know.

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So I'm from the South, you know that by now.

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But I'm blunt, and I tell you what, if you

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can't handle one comment about your weight, you're gonna have

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a hard time being a parent because everything everybody says

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is you know, good.

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Well you and I you and I share the same

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I shoot straight from the hip you know, I love it,

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really care whether people get offended or not, because yeah,

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I love it. Rather you hate me for who I

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am than love me for who I'm not.

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Amen, Mark that one, Jim, Mark that one.

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We got to put that on TikTok because I'm right

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there with you.

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You know, if you're easily offended, then I'm not your

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girl because I'm not here to make you happy.

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I'm here to tell the truth. And so, okay, so

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he comes home.

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Now he's got all these metal concerns and issues that

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y'all are having to really really look into. But you

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told me that, you know, you're going back to work

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and you're staying up all night, and can he kind

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of talk talk the listeners through what that was like?

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Yeah, So it was about a year. It was started

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really around where he was about a year old. I

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had been bugging her to go back to work, because

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that was our agreement, you know, that she would go

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back to work. And it wasn't so much I needed

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the money. It was more of that I needed her

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to have that mental health situation. Staying at home with

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a disabled child and handling all that isn't it wasn't

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good for her, right and and obviously wouldn't be good

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for our relationship either. But she didn't want to. She

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wanted to stay home, watch TV and just do nothing

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and just keep Eric and we're dragging home like an invalid,

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you know. They didn't want to have him have a life,

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and so.

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So she wasn't like picking him up or taking him

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on walks or anything.

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No, no, no, just he would be in like a

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little standard the infant standards have. She sits him in

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that and in front of the TV, and that's it,

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you know. And I'd come home and my son would

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be screaming, crying, soaking wet in his diaper, and I

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look at her and I'm like, what's going on. She goes, oh,

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he's been like that all day. I'm like, you're sitting

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here watching k dramas and he's like this, And I said, like,

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you know, emotionally, that's not good for him. And so

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it take me like two three hours to calm him down,

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soothe him and get him get them all ready, and

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then he finally fall asleep, like you know, one o'clock,

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two o'clock in the morning. Then I have to pass

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him off and then go try and get a few

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hours of sleep before I get up at five thirty

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six o'clock in the morning to go work and do

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this all over again.

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Yeah, and I'm sure that's draining.

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I can't see a relationship going well when that is

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the standard. I could see her taking care of him

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all day and then saying, look, I need to go

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get a pedicure, or I need to go take a walk,

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or I need to go.

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You know, the Walmart, just to get a break or something.

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So let me ask you, did you think that she

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had mental health issues before he was born.

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No, so I I would say the depression from what happened.

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And this is the part where I can I can

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understand where she struggled, right like for for a mother

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to have to go through where she did, and I

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can see that. But what I couldn't put up with

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was the way she treated him after the fact, Like

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if you're not willing to you're going through your own problems,

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to recognize your problems, but don't make your child suffer

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because you're you're you're hurting or you're struggling with whatever

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it is you're struggling with. And that's the conversations I

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was having with her, and I kept telling her, you know, like,

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I can't keep doing this because at the end of

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the day, I got to look out for him. He's

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the he's the one that's important. Your mental health comes secondary.

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I watched to get help, but I'm gonna worry about because.

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He can't help himself.

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He can't help him even as even as a regular baby.

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He can't help him. But he's got all these other things. So,

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you know, I said it before. I could deal with

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the bad wife, but I couldn't deal with the bad brother.

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And that was really the pivotl point of me deciding

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to leave is because I couldn't allow him to continue suffering.

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But there was something else going on too that you

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found out about.

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Yeah, she was being unfaithful. She was leaving my son

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with random people while she was going out and having

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an affair. And I was like, I don't care if

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you have an affair, but the fact that you're leaving

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in my medically fragile child with people that don't know

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how to minister to.

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Like where'd she find them?

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Where she finds so many friends whoever was willing to

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to you know, yeah, take him and do let her

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go do her thing, you know, So her family was

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very supportive of her being unfaithful and doing all the things.

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Yeah they knew, so, I mean they knew.

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Yeah, that's a shame too that you've got. You know,

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children have to come first. I just I get frustrated

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when it comes to divorces and people would rather fight

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each other than love their kids.

473
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And that's easy for me to say.

474
00:22:04.039 --> 00:22:06.160
I'm not divorced, but you know, when you can't put

475
00:22:06.200 --> 00:22:08.920
your kids first, something's wrong. And whenever you can't look

476
00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:10.839
somebody now and go maybe you should get a divorce,

477
00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:11.599
not be cheating.

478
00:22:11.759 --> 00:22:13.720
There's something tragically wrong there.

479
00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:17.599
So sorry, there was actually there was actually text so

480
00:22:17.920 --> 00:22:20.960
you know, I have access to all our texts, right,

481
00:22:21.000 --> 00:22:23.559
and so I was looking at the conversations she was.

482
00:22:23.880 --> 00:22:26.240
She was talking to her mom and her sister and

483
00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:29.039
telling her how she should siphon money from the account

484
00:22:29.119 --> 00:22:32.839
and put it into a different account and all this stuff.

485
00:22:32.839 --> 00:22:35.319
And then if he ever decides to leave you, then

486
00:22:35.440 --> 00:22:39.000
you need to you know, file you know, domestic charges

487
00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:42.359
against him and get the most child support. All this

488
00:22:42.559 --> 00:22:45.880
was plotted, I mean it was, It was already set up,

489
00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:48.559
and I didn't find out until after the fact. I

490
00:22:48.599 --> 00:22:51.240
was I didn't find these text messages. So I started

491
00:22:51.240 --> 00:22:52.720
doing my own investigation, like.

492
00:22:53.079 --> 00:22:55.680
Well, no, wonder her mother was going through a custody

493
00:22:55.680 --> 00:23:02.400
dispute whenever she met you, So before you decide to

494
00:23:02.480 --> 00:23:04.440
leave or was it when you decided to leave, like

495
00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:07.799
with the home health nurse that came in and found dragon.

496
00:23:08.400 --> 00:23:10.839
Oh that was that was? That was well after? So

497
00:23:10.880 --> 00:23:13.400
this is so when I decided to leave. I came home,

498
00:23:13.480 --> 00:23:15.519
I picked up Eric, and I said, hey, I'm going

499
00:23:15.599 --> 00:23:19.920
to go out, and you know, we need to figure

500
00:23:19.960 --> 00:23:22.960
things out. I can't be with you anymore. And I

501
00:23:23.039 --> 00:23:25.519
was heading out and then she starts screaming, where do

502
00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:27.640
you think you're going. You can't leave me this, you

503
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.400
can't take him. And then she starts pulling on him

504
00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:33.119
and starts screaming, and I'm like, stop, you're going to

505
00:23:33.200 --> 00:23:36.240
hurt him, like he's fragile. So I say, hey, here,

506
00:23:36.400 --> 00:23:38.559
just take him right and I gave him to her

507
00:23:38.640 --> 00:23:42.279
and she's still screaming. Cops, cops are called. They come out.

508
00:23:42.519 --> 00:23:47.799
She's saying, he hit me, hit Eric, he broke furniture. Furniture, Yeah,

509
00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.960
he's busting up things around the house, all the things.

510
00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:54.039
And then I'm like, no, this's not none of that happened.

511
00:23:54.640 --> 00:23:58.839
And so the police realized that nothing happened, but they say,

512
00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:00.759
you guys have to figure this out. So I say, hey,

513
00:24:01.079 --> 00:24:03.920
if she's willing to leave, I'll let her take Eric

514
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:07.079
and then we'll, you know, deal with this later in court.

515
00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:11.119
And so she agrees, and the cops says, okay, just

516
00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:14.799
you know, just don't get into another you know, disagreement,

517
00:24:14.839 --> 00:24:18.799
and just wait till the courts handled this. She didn't

518
00:24:18.839 --> 00:24:21.559
leave it at that. She came back two hours later,

519
00:24:21.640 --> 00:24:24.480
trying to get in the house. I already changed the locks.

520
00:24:27.319 --> 00:24:30.079
No I wasn't. I changed all the locks, and so

521
00:24:30.119 --> 00:24:32.359
she's she's pounding on the door. So I call the

522
00:24:32.400 --> 00:24:35.000
cops again because I don't want to get you know, domestic.

523
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:38.440
Second pair of cops comes and she said, oh, he's

524
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:40.559
posting new pictures of me, and I'm trying to get

525
00:24:40.599 --> 00:24:41.839
in the house to see what. You know.

526
00:24:42.640 --> 00:24:45.160
Oh, I remember that now. So she accused you of

527
00:24:45.200 --> 00:24:47.960
posting nude photographs of her on social media.

528
00:24:48.359 --> 00:24:51.799
Correct. And so then I'm like, okay, I'm not doing

529
00:24:51.839 --> 00:24:54.799
those things. So where are they? Who? You know? She oh,

530
00:24:54.839 --> 00:24:57.400
it's on my friend's posts. Okay, what friend oh, they're

531
00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:01.079
already deleted it, okay, which friend R I can't remember.

532
00:25:01.440 --> 00:25:03.680
And I'm like, I'm looking at the cops and they're like,

533
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.400
you know, you can get arrested and thrown in jail

534
00:25:06.440 --> 00:25:08.240
and serious crimes if you're doing this kind of stuff.

535
00:25:08.240 --> 00:25:10.759
I'm like, sir, I just asked you, like, where's all

536
00:25:10.759 --> 00:25:14.640
this proof. There's nothing. It's all you know, false allegations.

537
00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:17.279
And they're like, well, I don't care. She's on the least.

538
00:25:17.359 --> 00:25:19.359
You can't keep she's on the d you can't keep

539
00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:22.279
her out of her house. And like I said, sir,

540
00:25:22.519 --> 00:25:24.920
we just had a police come here. We already made

541
00:25:24.960 --> 00:25:28.200
an agreement, and so they finally get her, convinced her

542
00:25:28.200 --> 00:25:28.559
to leave.

543
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:32.240
And then yeah, and was there any follow up on

544
00:25:32.279 --> 00:25:33.599
the nude photo? Claims?

545
00:25:33.880 --> 00:25:38.599
No, No, it was right, Yeah, boy, it's just a

546
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:40.720
ploy to get the cops to get her letter in

547
00:25:40.759 --> 00:25:41.200
the house.

548
00:25:41.519 --> 00:25:43.480
Right, would you know one what you know?

549
00:25:43.559 --> 00:25:43.680
Now?

550
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:45.640
Would you have followed up on that to let the

551
00:25:45.759 --> 00:25:48.720
like the claims that she never followed a report on

552
00:25:48.759 --> 00:25:50.599
that though, right, she just said it in the moment.

553
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.680
That's a dangerous woman. That is a very obviously but

554
00:25:55.519 --> 00:25:57.720
knowing what we know, already. But that's a dangerous woman,

555
00:25:57.960 --> 00:26:00.039
and shame on any woman that would claim something and

556
00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:04.480
use the sex. You know, card, I guess just because

557
00:26:04.519 --> 00:26:08.079
you're a female that you're being victimized in this. Disgusting,

558
00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:13.240
Absolutely disgusting. So then what happened after that? So you left?

559
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:13.759
Correct?

560
00:26:14.240 --> 00:26:17.440
No, she left, So she left, okay? And then two

561
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:20.119
weeks later, I get a knock on the door. Police

562
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:23.599
show up. They serve me with a restraining order and

563
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:26.319
a protection order and tell me I have to vacate

564
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:29.920
my home. And I look at the order and it

565
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:33.240
says that I'm allowed to take my vehicle and any

566
00:26:33.720 --> 00:26:36.799
immediate personal belongings. So I got to pack a bag

567
00:26:36.880 --> 00:26:39.079
of clothes, but everything else had to stay and I

568
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:40.359
was kicked out of my house.

569
00:26:40.240 --> 00:26:42.079
That you're paying for that I'm paying with.

570
00:26:42.119 --> 00:26:46.440
The woman who's unemployed gets to stay in, Yes, make sure.

571
00:26:46.319 --> 00:26:47.799
You gets to move back in and I have to

572
00:26:47.839 --> 00:26:48.519
move out.

573
00:26:48.720 --> 00:26:51.799
But the way that she got that protective order, I

574
00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:54.559
touched on this that I think she got that protective order.

575
00:26:54.599 --> 00:26:56.279
I touched on this in a recent case that I

576
00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:58.759
did where she the woman went about it in a

577
00:26:58.799 --> 00:26:59.319
civil matter.

578
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:02.359
So to my list, there's the one about the roommates.

579
00:27:02.440 --> 00:27:06.920
Where the roommate went and you know, filed paperwork saying

580
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.880
she needed a restraining order in a civil manner so

581
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:10.400
that she could take the sun.

582
00:27:10.960 --> 00:27:12.319
Isn't that kind of how this went down?

583
00:27:12.880 --> 00:27:15.359
And this is a later on I talked about this,

584
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:18.839
but yeah, I mean it's a common tactic by the attorneys.

585
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:22.440
So yeah, okay, so that's some total BS. So then

586
00:27:22.519 --> 00:27:23.960
lead me on to the next part.

587
00:27:24.200 --> 00:27:26.599
So I ended up getting kicked out of the house

588
00:27:26.759 --> 00:27:28.519
and they tell me I have to show up the

589
00:27:28.559 --> 00:27:32.599
court in two weeks, uh to contest it if or

590
00:27:32.640 --> 00:27:35.440
else it's going to be, you know, stuck for a year.

591
00:27:35.480 --> 00:27:37.559
And I'm like, okay, I show up in two weeks.

592
00:27:38.319 --> 00:27:41.440
Then I present evidence to show them the police initial

593
00:27:41.480 --> 00:27:44.880
police report, show everything, and they're like, they threw it

594
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:49.079
out with prejudice, reshaning orders gone, the protection orders gone.

595
00:27:49.680 --> 00:27:51.799
So for the listeners, they threw it out saying that

596
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.240
they recognized this was total BS and that's why it's

597
00:27:54.279 --> 00:27:56.680
with prejudice saying this is obnoxious.

598
00:27:56.720 --> 00:28:01.400
Correct, Okay, And then I'm I'm that the parenting plan

599
00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.319
that they already have in place is that I have

600
00:28:04.440 --> 00:28:07.599
to pay nineteen hundred dollars a month in cash to her,

601
00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:12.039
plus pay the mortgage, both car payments, the insurance, and

602
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:15.480
all the utilities. So total six thousand dollars a monthire

603
00:28:15.599 --> 00:28:16.880
in Washington at that time.

604
00:28:17.440 --> 00:28:21.799
So, and the parenting plan was even was set up

605
00:28:22.240 --> 00:28:22.720
for y'all.

606
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:26.480
A co parent, no no, So, so it was set

607
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:28.200
up that I was only going to get two hours

608
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:32.119
visitations twice a week. But there was a caveat to that.

609
00:28:32.440 --> 00:28:35.839
They because she told the court that my son is

610
00:28:35.880 --> 00:28:39.559
medically fragile and his father is incompetent and doesn't know

611
00:28:39.559 --> 00:28:41.880
how to raise him. If he's left with him more

612
00:28:41.920 --> 00:28:45.839
than two hours, he's gonna die exactly. So now, oh,

613
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:48.279
I have to pay fifteen hundred dollars to a guardian

614
00:28:48.279 --> 00:28:51.359
in light them just to get supervised visits two hours

615
00:28:52.079 --> 00:28:52.759
twice a week.

616
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:55.119
And so this was so important to me because none

617
00:28:55.160 --> 00:28:56.920
of this is covered. So it makes it just almost

618
00:28:56.920 --> 00:28:59.319
seemed like you just walked not walked away, but you

619
00:28:59.440 --> 00:29:01.480
just kind of I gave you that grace that I

620
00:29:01.519 --> 00:29:02.720
was like, I think this is more of he had

621
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.119
to have distance because of the situation that was going on.

622
00:29:06.000 --> 00:29:08.039
But this goes way farther. You have to pay fifteen

623
00:29:08.119 --> 00:29:10.960
hundred dollars a month to be supervised.

624
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.480
To would you that was for the first visit, the

625
00:29:12.559 --> 00:29:15.160
first visit. That was for the first visit, just to

626
00:29:15.200 --> 00:29:18.200
get set up with a guardian ATLIGHTA And I all

627
00:29:18.319 --> 00:29:20.720
that you have to pay. Then you're supposed to pay

628
00:29:20.799 --> 00:29:23.359
you know everything? Yeah, whatever is right.

629
00:29:23.480 --> 00:29:25.599
And I'm not getting into your finances. I don't want

630
00:29:25.599 --> 00:29:29.400
to know, but six thousand dollars a month, how could

631
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.400
any court expect any father to support?

632
00:29:33.920 --> 00:29:34.279
Listen.

633
00:29:34.599 --> 00:29:36.839
Father's rights I do think are an issue in this country.

634
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.440
And that's why I'm so proud to have you on here,

635
00:29:38.480 --> 00:29:42.240
because I've known many a good dad that got defeated by.

636
00:29:42.119 --> 00:29:43.039
The court systems.

637
00:29:43.359 --> 00:29:47.000
And you have to still pay for your own place

638
00:29:47.039 --> 00:29:49.079
to live, You still have to pay your own medical bills,

639
00:29:49.079 --> 00:29:50.319
you still have to eat.

640
00:29:50.559 --> 00:29:52.960
So, Kelly, since common sense isn't coming, let me break

641
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:55.799
it down to you. Yeah. So when we were married,

642
00:29:56.559 --> 00:29:59.720
we didn't have nineteen hundred dollars in disposable cash. It

643
00:29:59.720 --> 00:30:04.160
went bills and everything, right. Yeah, So so I asked the judge,

644
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:06.640
how am I supposed to give her nineteen hundred dollars,

645
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.079
pay all the bills and then have some place to live, eat,

646
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.799
pay for gas and all that. So you're you're adding

647
00:30:13.440 --> 00:30:16.440
another EXPENSI sure for me my lifestyle on top of

648
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:19.200
what we already had. So it's nothing changes, right, Like

649
00:30:19.640 --> 00:30:22.039
I said, I didn't even have nineteen hundred dollars left over.

650
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:24.279
How am I supposed to give her cash and then

651
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:26.319
have more to take care of my stuff?

652
00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:29.480
Not to mention a down I got to thinking about that,

653
00:30:29.519 --> 00:30:31.359
like the down payment on an apartment, you have to

654
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:33.920
give like a month ahead, like you could never You

655
00:30:33.920 --> 00:30:36.640
couldn't afford a cardboard box. I mean, I don't know

656
00:30:36.920 --> 00:30:41.480
you're finding just saying, you know, my god, Okay, so whatever,

657
00:30:41.559 --> 00:30:42.680
judge thought that was a good idea.

658
00:30:42.680 --> 00:30:44.200
I hope you're listening and you're rethinking.

659
00:30:44.319 --> 00:30:45.960
I'll give you the name Commissioner Tinny.

660
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:48.640
I hate I hate her, Okay, it's your story.

661
00:30:48.759 --> 00:30:51.279
So yeah, I mean, she she did me dirty and

662
00:30:51.359 --> 00:30:53.799
she didn't care, you know, even though she threw out

663
00:30:53.799 --> 00:30:57.559
the protection order, parenting plans stuck like they thought that

664
00:30:57.720 --> 00:30:58.160
was fair.

665
00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:03.640
Wow. Wow, So then how does he end up in

666
00:31:03.720 --> 00:31:05.960
foster care? How does Eric end up in foster care?

667
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.240
Because you're clearly a loving father who cares.

668
00:31:08.519 --> 00:31:12.200
So during this time, there's a transition. So this we

669
00:31:12.319 --> 00:31:15.559
left in I left her in August and I went

670
00:31:15.599 --> 00:31:18.599
to court by September. This is all in place already,

671
00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:22.920
and I was struggling to obviously take care of this.

672
00:31:23.000 --> 00:31:24.519
I was living out of my car in the middle

673
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:29.160
of winter at a rest stop in Everett. And after

674
00:31:29.200 --> 00:31:33.559
the first visit they determined that I didn't need supervise visits.

675
00:31:33.599 --> 00:31:36.160
The guardian of item said, this is ridiculous. This father

676
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.119
knows more about this child than I would be able to,

677
00:31:39.200 --> 00:31:40.799
you know, how to administer do everything.

678
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:44.880
So I was to that person then yeah, yeah.

679
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:49.920
So I had to do exchanges with Sharon, which was insane.

680
00:31:50.160 --> 00:31:53.680
The first exchange, I took the stroller out of the

681
00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.160
car and put it in my car, and then she

682
00:31:55.200 --> 00:31:57.759
refused to give me my son. And then she tried

683
00:31:57.799 --> 00:31:59.400
to take off, and I'm like whoa, whoa, whoa, and

684
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:03.359
then she tries to run me over, actually literally floors it.

685
00:32:03.599 --> 00:32:05.400
I end up jumping up on top of the hood

686
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:08.640
because I didn't want to get runned over. Drove about

687
00:32:08.640 --> 00:32:11.960
a couple hundred yards. I rolled off the car, called the.

688
00:32:11.920 --> 00:32:14.599
Cops and what did they tell you this blue?

689
00:32:14.880 --> 00:32:18.279
The cops tell me Hey, you can't press charges. You

690
00:32:18.359 --> 00:32:20.759
have to deal with it in family court because they

691
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:21.119
told you.

692
00:32:21.079 --> 00:32:26.279
It's a civil matter. Guys, hear me, Hello, hear me.

693
00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:28.960
If you're listening to this, someone smokes you with the car,

694
00:32:29.200 --> 00:32:32.640
it is not a civil matter, that is.

695
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:35.240
But this is what I was dealing with.

696
00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:36.039
It crazy.

697
00:32:36.319 --> 00:32:38.960
And then I go to court and I'm trying to appeal.

698
00:32:39.119 --> 00:32:43.359
They won't let me appeal. The child support and the visitations,

699
00:32:43.440 --> 00:32:46.880
everything stays the same. Explain to them, I can't showing

700
00:32:47.000 --> 00:32:50.839
my past ubs everything. I come to find out my

701
00:32:51.079 --> 00:32:55.799
lawyer took her calculations and put it on my financial statements.

702
00:32:55.880 --> 00:32:58.880
I didn't know, so, you know, first time, I've never

703
00:32:58.880 --> 00:32:59.440
been divorced.

704
00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:01.599
While you hire a lawyers, you think they're gonna Yeah.

705
00:33:01.759 --> 00:33:06.119
So, but my lawyer misrepresented my earnings. My lawyer said

706
00:33:06.119 --> 00:33:09.480
that I made eleven grand take home every month, and

707
00:33:09.519 --> 00:33:12.240
I'm like, I don't even net that much. I mean,

708
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:14.440
I don't even gross that much. How do I net

709
00:33:14.480 --> 00:33:16.880
that much? Right? Like, it's insane. I mean I made

710
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.599
a good living, but not that good, right, And so yeah,

711
00:33:21.640 --> 00:33:25.960
so I end up I end up fighting with her

712
00:33:26.039 --> 00:33:27.880
about these these things, with the courts and the courts

713
00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:28.559
won't listen to me.

714
00:33:28.599 --> 00:33:30.279
Then, But she tried to hit you twice.

715
00:33:30.720 --> 00:33:33.000
Well, so that's the first time. That's the first time.

716
00:33:33.200 --> 00:33:36.240
So so in the in between all of this, my

717
00:33:36.319 --> 00:33:40.119
son is being hospitalized, so she's not taking care of him.

718
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:43.480
He's getting hospitalized several times, and every time I go

719
00:33:43.559 --> 00:33:47.000
to visit, she's telling the doctors, oh, I got a

720
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:48.920
parenting plan. He's not supposed to be here, so they

721
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:51.359
kicked me out. I'd have to call social worker and

722
00:33:51.480 --> 00:33:53.039
get the pairing plan and they look at it and.

723
00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:55.640
See because if you because if you would have been arrested,

724
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.160
then it just gave her more fuel to add to

725
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.799
the fire. So you had to bite your tongue, go outside,

726
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:03.960
call a social worker and say please come help me.

727
00:34:04.359 --> 00:34:05.160
Yeah, and she.

728
00:34:05.119 --> 00:34:07.160
Didn't even really know what to tell the hospitals about

729
00:34:07.200 --> 00:34:09.320
your son, right, you're the one that was trying to tell.

730
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.679
Him, Oh no, so they'll uncover that the end of

731
00:34:12.719 --> 00:34:16.480
the day. She was purposely not telling them. She was

732
00:34:16.639 --> 00:34:22.000
trying to make it seem like he's just really medically fragile. Yes,

733
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:24.280
he has some medical conditions, but not to a point

734
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:26.920
where he needs to be hospitalized every other week. You know,

735
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.960
so got it and I ended up so I ended

736
00:34:30.039 --> 00:34:33.079
up having I end up having to finally go back

737
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:35.760
to court because they want to put a benchmarn on

738
00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:37.440
my head because I can't pay my child.

739
00:34:37.320 --> 00:34:40.559
Support even though you keep saying you can't and I can't.

740
00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.239
I said, I can't keep up. There's no it's impossible.

741
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:45.199
So they gave me an ultimatium. I come up with

742
00:34:45.239 --> 00:34:47.239
twelve or fourteen I can't remember exactly why. I know

743
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:49.719
it was more than twelve grand. Or you're gonna throw me.

744
00:34:49.679 --> 00:34:51.719
In jail while you're living out of your car.

745
00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:53.519
Oh, I'm living out of my car.

746
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:54.159
To rest up.

747
00:34:54.440 --> 00:34:55.400
Makes perfect sense.

748
00:34:56.239 --> 00:34:58.559
So that's when I made a decision that I stay

749
00:34:58.599 --> 00:35:01.880
here and get get thrown in jail. And I spoke

750
00:35:01.920 --> 00:35:03.960
to a social worker at Seattle Trojan Sign and I

751
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.039
won't use her name, but she basically said, Baron, I

752
00:35:07.159 --> 00:35:09.280
see what you're going through, but I want to tell

753
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:15.320
you something. Until your son is taken by CPS or something,

754
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:18.039
no one's going to do anything. You're not going to

755
00:35:18.079 --> 00:35:21.320
be able to do anything. And the last thing you

756
00:35:21.360 --> 00:35:24.000
want to do is be thrown in jail, because once

757
00:35:24.000 --> 00:35:25.840
you're in jail, you're never going to be able to

758
00:35:25.840 --> 00:35:29.159
get your son back, She says, my suggestion would be

759
00:35:29.280 --> 00:35:31.840
to leave the state. That's why she told me.

760
00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:35.519
Well, sounds like the lady knew what she was telling.

761
00:35:35.239 --> 00:35:35.639
You know what.

762
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:38.440
She was giving you solid advice, even though it sucks,

763
00:35:38.559 --> 00:35:39.519
but that was solid.

764
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.360
But then during another exchange, what happened?

765
00:35:42.400 --> 00:35:46.320
You told me that Sharon put the baby put Dragon

766
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:47.000
on the floor.

767
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:51.719
Yeah. So after so after I went back to Vegas,

768
00:35:52.480 --> 00:35:55.280
I actually ended up getting a phone call from CPS

769
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:00.119
about fifteen months later or so telling me that he

770
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:01.400
almost died in her care.

771
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:05.079
And that's when that nurse found the found him.

772
00:36:05.159 --> 00:36:08.400
The nurse in home nurse had come uh in the

773
00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:12.400
morning to check on him, and Sharon decided to take

774
00:36:12.440 --> 00:36:15.679
off the school and and Dragon was barely breathing, he

775
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:19.119
was cold to touch, and uh, he was soaking wet.

776
00:36:19.199 --> 00:36:22.320
She hadn't done anything to him, and so nurse calls

777
00:36:22.400 --> 00:36:24.800
nine one one. They rushed him to the hospital. They're

778
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:28.519
able to you know, revive him and get him more stable.

779
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:32.599
But then they start talking and they realized that Sharon

780
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.800
had requested a DNR, which is a do not resuscitate

781
00:36:35.920 --> 00:36:39.760
order for Eric. And it was weird because he does.

782
00:36:40.159 --> 00:36:41.960
He's done. He's not in that kind of condition that

783
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:43.800
he shouldn't need one, right, he's the.

784
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:46.119
He's dependent on y'all to feed him and all of that,

785
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.519
but he's not like he can't take his own breaths.

786
00:36:48.559 --> 00:36:50.039
You know, he's okay.

787
00:36:50.119 --> 00:36:54.239
Yeah, So they investigated, and she has done this multiple times.

788
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:56.679
She went from one hospital to the next and trying

789
00:36:56.679 --> 00:36:59.119
to get this DNR. And then they find out that

790
00:36:59.239 --> 00:37:02.000
she was trying to requests a trait to be put

791
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.360
in his throat, and that's when the red flags go off.

792
00:37:05.480 --> 00:37:08.639
They call CPS. CPS comes in, they do the investigation,

793
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:11.239
they find out that she's not fit obviously to be

794
00:37:11.280 --> 00:37:12.920
a parent, and the hands up in foster home.

795
00:37:13.320 --> 00:37:16.679
Okay, So to make it make sense though, so whenever

796
00:37:16.719 --> 00:37:19.039
I told y'all if you were, if you're on my Patreon,

797
00:37:19.079 --> 00:37:21.079
I had message and said, this is so much darker

798
00:37:21.480 --> 00:37:26.320
than you can imagine. A mother who leaves her child

799
00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:28.239
on death's door, and it sounds to me like she

800
00:37:28.320 --> 00:37:30.280
wanted him dead when the nurse got there, like she

801
00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.159
was hoping something would happen. But and then to go

802
00:37:33.239 --> 00:37:35.480
in and request a trait when he doesn't need one.

803
00:37:35.480 --> 00:37:38.920
An unnecessary medical procedure and to request that they not

804
00:37:39.079 --> 00:37:42.719
do life saving measures for a child who doesn't who's

805
00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:46.320
just not there. You know, it's much deep more devious

806
00:37:46.400 --> 00:37:48.440
than it sounds. But he gets put in foster care

807
00:37:48.440 --> 00:37:51.519
because everyone else is like, oh shit, this woman's nuts

808
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.079
or why no, we'll get there.

809
00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:55.800
But so I get a phone call. They're they're like, hey,

810
00:37:56.239 --> 00:38:01.079
Baron Dragging is in foster care. Do you want to,

811
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:05.039
you know, have him sent to you? And I'm like, well,

812
00:38:05.039 --> 00:38:06.960
what does what do you guys mean? He goes, well,

813
00:38:07.519 --> 00:38:09.880
you need just to have an adequate place for him

814
00:38:09.920 --> 00:38:11.840
to live in medical stuff. I said, well, yeah, but

815
00:38:11.880 --> 00:38:14.440
all his doctors are in Washington. I said, you know,

816
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.760
all his care teams in Washington. I said, I'm going

817
00:38:17.800 --> 00:38:19.360
to come back up. I knew I had a bench

818
00:38:19.360 --> 00:38:20.880
warring in my head and I said, I'm going to

819
00:38:20.880 --> 00:38:22.320
come back up and I'm going to fight for him.

820
00:38:22.760 --> 00:38:23.760
And what a big move.

821
00:38:23.840 --> 00:38:25.719
I know you know this, but I have to say it.

822
00:38:26.599 --> 00:38:29.760
You put your son first, You move to your son.

823
00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:32.559
That's where his doctors and his specialists are. If that

824
00:38:32.599 --> 00:38:35.559
doesn't speak volumes to anyone who was invested in this case,

825
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.199
I don't understand you'll up end your life and come well,

826
00:38:39.199 --> 00:38:41.280
your life's already up in it. But to come back

827
00:38:41.360 --> 00:38:42.800
and to say no, I want him.

828
00:38:43.119 --> 00:38:45.960
So that was the argument. When I came back to

829
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:49.159
see the judge, I pleaded. I say, hey, you know,

830
00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.559
I could have easily stayed in Vegas and had my

831
00:38:51.599 --> 00:38:53.280
son sent to me, and I could have been done

832
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.440
with Washington. But I'm here for my son. I'm here

833
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.079
for what's best for him, regardless of what everybody's done

834
00:38:59.119 --> 00:39:01.480
to me. I said, I want to make sure my

835
00:39:01.559 --> 00:39:04.159
son has the best chance at life right, and so

836
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.280
that means me coming up here with the possibility of

837
00:39:07.320 --> 00:39:10.360
going in jail, so be it. But I said, it

838
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:12.840
won't do him any good for me being jail. The

839
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:15.599
only thing I ask is get rid of this ridiculous

840
00:39:15.639 --> 00:39:20.199
child support. I said, make it manageable. And thank god,

841
00:39:20.239 --> 00:39:22.199
I was in front of a different judge and he

842
00:39:22.280 --> 00:39:25.360
looked at it and he was like, this child support

843
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.360
is egregious. That's what his exact words. He goes. He goes,

844
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:33.320
you shouldn't be paying this much. Kills eight hundred dollars

845
00:39:33.400 --> 00:39:35.280
a month, and then we'll do three hundred dollars a

846
00:39:35.320 --> 00:39:37.360
month in back support. So I said eleven hundred, I

847
00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:41.639
can manage that and do that. But they still wouldn't

848
00:39:41.639 --> 00:39:44.199
give him to me. They tell me, oh, now you've

849
00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:46.159
been out of his life for fifteen months. You don't

850
00:39:46.199 --> 00:39:48.360
know anything about him. Things could change. I'm like, I

851
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:51.440
know everyone saw, I know. What do you want? And

852
00:39:51.840 --> 00:39:53.559
so they're like, oh, well, we're going to do a

853
00:39:53.880 --> 00:39:57.920
dependency case and we're going to give you visitations. We're

854
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.239
going to give mom visitations, and he's going to stay

855
00:40:00.280 --> 00:40:04.280
with in fosterne. This goes on for two years, and

856
00:40:04.400 --> 00:40:08.039
during that two years, we have to exchange you know, Eric,

857
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.920
back and forth, and this leads to this leads to

858
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:16.760
the second attempt of my life. Okay, so during an exchange, uh,

859
00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:19.880
she she's pissed off, saying, oh you're late, you know,

860
00:40:20.159 --> 00:40:22.400
and starts cursing. And this is in front of my

861
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.679
entire family. So I have my step kids and me

862
00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:25.280
and Eric.

863
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:27.920
Oh yeah, because you're remarried. Are you remarried by this time?

864
00:40:28.239 --> 00:40:31.360
Yeah? Yeah, So we had relocated the whole family up

865
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.639
here right yeah, with Eric and stuff, and she's she, uh,

866
00:40:36.079 --> 00:40:39.119
forgot to leave one of his either it was a

867
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:41.679
medical device or something. So I'm trying to wave her

868
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:43.400
down like she's in her car. I'm not trying to

869
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:44.000
waive her down here.

870
00:40:44.039 --> 00:40:46.800
But this was vital equipment, correct this.

871
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:50.800
You needed it? Right? Yeah? And I'm standing. I'm standing

872
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:53.159
like there's the police station, there's a parking lot, and

873
00:40:53.159 --> 00:40:55.800
in this car. So I'm walking towards my car. She

874
00:40:56.480 --> 00:40:58.360
comes running at me and I'm trying to stop her,

875
00:40:58.360 --> 00:41:00.679
and she just floors it. I ended up jumping out

876
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.119
of the way push off the side of her car, thankfully,

877
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:05.480
or else she would hit me. Caught on video in

878
00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:08.239
front of a police department, right, because that's why we're

879
00:41:08.239 --> 00:41:11.280
doing it, because I'm yeah, for the safety, my safety,

880
00:41:11.320 --> 00:41:14.920
my son's safety, my family safety. Guess what I got told?

881
00:41:15.360 --> 00:41:16.000
Civil matter?

882
00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:20.719
Civil matter, civil matter, deal with it in family court

883
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.960
and family court say the same thing, exact same words.

884
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.679
You guys got to learn to cole parent better.

885
00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:28.519
How do you co parent with crazy? That should be

886
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:31.559
a shirt. That should be a shirt. Give everybody one

887
00:41:31.599 --> 00:41:33.920
when they leave family court. How do you go parent

888
00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:34.360
with crazy?

889
00:41:34.360 --> 00:41:38.079
You know, as much as much as I detested her,

890
00:41:38.119 --> 00:41:41.159
I could have co parented if she was willing, but

891
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:41.719
she right.

892
00:41:41.960 --> 00:41:43.920
But not when you're running somebody over, attempting to run

893
00:41:43.920 --> 00:41:44.440
somebody over.

894
00:41:44.920 --> 00:41:47.800
And what did she do though? Whenever she laid him

895
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:48.960
on the ground, didn't.

896
00:41:48.719 --> 00:41:52.239
She So after two after two years of going back

897
00:41:52.280 --> 00:41:56.800
and forth and all this going on, uh, one of

898
00:41:56.880 --> 00:41:59.679
the finest shawl was when I went to do this

899
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:02.440
extra change. Instead of her handing me to me or

900
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.039
putting him in the wheelchair, she throws him on the

901
00:42:05.039 --> 00:42:09.960
ground on the lobby floor, right and starts writing out screaming.

902
00:42:10.000 --> 00:42:12.679
This is all caught on video. That was what the

903
00:42:12.960 --> 00:42:15.880
finally the judge said, oh, okay, she's not all there

904
00:42:16.599 --> 00:42:20.239
supervised visits. We're going to give physical custody to that

905
00:42:20.519 --> 00:42:22.119
and we're going to transition him.

906
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:25.639
So years but two years of his life that you

907
00:42:25.639 --> 00:42:29.360
could have been bonding, you could have been u Yeah,

908
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:31.320
you could have been working with him and trying like

909
00:42:31.320 --> 00:42:33.719
we had spoken about to about the pathways and the

910
00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:37.400
brain and maybe stimulating him and getting him into and.

911
00:42:37.360 --> 00:42:40.079
All that's lost. Yeah, right, lost time.

912
00:42:40.880 --> 00:42:41.840
So then.

913
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.760
You're looking more than two years, right, two years independency

914
00:42:45.840 --> 00:42:48.159
and almost the two years prior to that too, So

915
00:42:48.280 --> 00:42:52.079
four years total of development loss because he wasn't getting

916
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:54.280
the adequate support.

917
00:42:53.880 --> 00:42:55.960
In right, Yeah, what a shame.

918
00:42:56.039 --> 00:42:59.840
So he man from birth? From birth?

919
00:42:59.880 --> 00:43:02.880
He was, he was. Yeah, I thought I thought. I

920
00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:04.920
thought I had it bad. He That's why I tell

921
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.880
people like, I don't even swept my life compared to

922
00:43:07.920 --> 00:43:11.199
my son. Yeah, he's more an inspiration to me than

923
00:43:11.239 --> 00:43:15.159
any anything else because and so loved. Yeah, he smiles,

924
00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:19.719
he laughs. I mean, guess his blessing, you know. Yeah,

925
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.840
No matter how much adversity he's gone through, you know.

926
00:43:23.719 --> 00:43:26.559
He keeps going. So what about this though?

927
00:43:26.639 --> 00:43:30.480
So she was diagnosed with munchaus incorrect or not so.

928
00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:32.800
So a couple of times we've we've gone through this

929
00:43:32.880 --> 00:43:36.320
where she ordered psyche valves for me. So I'm like, okay,

930
00:43:36.880 --> 00:43:38.960
we can do that. That means I get to get

931
00:43:38.960 --> 00:43:40.199
a psyche vowl on you.

932
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:40.960
Yeah.

933
00:43:41.000 --> 00:43:48.119
And yeah, uh proxy by Munchausen and uh, delusions of grandeur. Yeah,

934
00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.559
they're all all the diagnosis that they did of her.

935
00:43:53.079 --> 00:43:56.960
Yeah. And so this is where I want to get

936
00:43:56.960 --> 00:43:59.239
down to how dark it really was. So what is

937
00:43:59.280 --> 00:44:04.360
the overall a consensus here that you told me about?

938
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:04.760
Okay?

939
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.559
So obviously the money okay, but you told me these

940
00:44:07.559 --> 00:44:10.480
exact words. She was too stupid to realize something. What

941
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:10.880
was it.

942
00:44:11.480 --> 00:44:14.679
Yeah, she was doing this for the money. She thought

943
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:16.440
that she's gonna have access to the trust. So the

944
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.199
way the trust is set up, I put six hundred

945
00:44:19.199 --> 00:44:22.440
and fifty thousand dollars into a special needs trust. We

946
00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:24.920
are not allowed to touch that even if I had

947
00:44:24.960 --> 00:44:29.079
custody or she had custody. That's strictly for medical needs only.

948
00:44:29.440 --> 00:44:32.480
That money would grow tax free and whatnot. When he's eighteen,

949
00:44:33.199 --> 00:44:37.360
then that money would be used to care for him. However,

950
00:44:37.599 --> 00:44:40.960
there is a clause if he dies before he's thirty,

951
00:44:41.199 --> 00:44:44.360
there's a minimum payout that we would get for the

952
00:44:44.400 --> 00:44:48.280
beneficiaries that be me and sharing. But she didn't realize.

953
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:50.719
In the state of Washington, which also is the same

954
00:44:50.760 --> 00:44:54.000
way I think in the state of California, all proceeds

955
00:44:54.039 --> 00:44:58.480
go to pay back Social Security, Medicaid, Medicare, whatever before

956
00:44:58.519 --> 00:45:02.280
the beneficiaries get anything. There was not enough money in

957
00:45:02.360 --> 00:45:05.599
there to pay us anything in the event of him.

958
00:45:06.039 --> 00:45:09.440
But so she was trying to kill him, yes, because

959
00:45:09.480 --> 00:45:11.760
she thought she would get the payout.

960
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:15.199
Correct. See in mind she denies it, but the reality,

961
00:45:15.639 --> 00:45:18.000
all the things that she was doing was.

962
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:20.199
Trying finding him cold, finding him wet.

963
00:45:20.559 --> 00:45:23.480
No, he did die, die based off medical reasons.

964
00:45:23.800 --> 00:45:27.719
Yeah, and do not resuscitate. It all makes so much sense.

965
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:30.199
You know, in my mind, I'm thinking, oh, well, she

966
00:45:30.280 --> 00:45:33.360
just wants the money. I didn't realize she couldn't get

967
00:45:33.360 --> 00:45:36.159
it unless he died. And that's so much darker.

968
00:45:36.760 --> 00:45:39.960
That is so much darker, Like I wasn't the target

969
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.920
my son was. Yes, I was the only I was

970
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:45.760
only in the way. Had I stayed away, my son

971
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:46.480
would have been dead.

972
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:47.559
Absolutely.

973
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:49.119
I agree with you one hundred.

974
00:45:49.480 --> 00:45:51.480
Because what would end up happened is after he went

975
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:54.000
to foster care, eventually they would have given him back

976
00:45:54.039 --> 00:45:56.599
to her and she would have another TEX.

977
00:45:56.599 --> 00:45:58.840
And then she would have all these hospitalizations behind her

978
00:45:58.880 --> 00:46:00.639
to say, see, I told you, I told you he

979
00:46:00.679 --> 00:46:05.199
was medically fragile. Wow. So and even today this blew

980
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:11.360
my mind. Even today, you are not his guardian.

981
00:46:12.480 --> 00:46:13.800
I don't have legal custody.

982
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.920
You do not have legal custody of your son, even

983
00:46:16.960 --> 00:46:20.400
to this day, right now, February seventeenth is the day

984
00:46:20.400 --> 00:46:21.039
we're recording this.

985
00:46:21.679 --> 00:46:24.280
You do not have custody of your son. No, what

986
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:25.039
will change that?

987
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:29.920
So I have to go to family court and get

988
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:35.960
the parenting pen rechanged. And in order to do that

989
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.880
I have to go through a trial, and where is she.

990
00:46:40.880 --> 00:46:42.320
She's incarcerated for.

991
00:46:42.360 --> 00:46:46.880
Trying to have you murdered, And because she's incarcerated, you

992
00:46:46.920 --> 00:46:48.000
can't have the trial.

993
00:46:48.480 --> 00:46:51.599
So when she was in county, they wouldn't allow us

994
00:46:51.639 --> 00:46:54.920
to go and do it in family court. So once

995
00:46:54.960 --> 00:46:57.800
she got sentenced, I had to go and petition to

996
00:46:57.880 --> 00:47:00.519
reopen the family court case, so that it took almost

997
00:47:00.559 --> 00:47:04.559
a year. I just recently got that reopen. Now it's

998
00:47:04.559 --> 00:47:06.880
a matter of me getting an attorney and the funds

999
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:10.280
and everything together. Eactly, just the hard part, right because

1000
00:47:11.440 --> 00:47:15.079
I've already spent upwards with sixty thousand dollars in lawyer

1001
00:47:15.119 --> 00:47:18.320
fees and everything over the years fighting fighting this.

1002
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:21.320
So I can't believe there's not an attorney out there.

1003
00:47:21.480 --> 00:47:24.480
I've got listeners in Washington. I cannot believe there's not

1004
00:47:24.559 --> 00:47:27.440
one that couldn't do this pro bono for you and

1005
00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:29.400
slide it through the system so that baby can be

1006
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.239
on paper exactly where he needs to be with his daddy.

1007
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:36.519
Hey, I'm challenge.

1008
00:47:36.920 --> 00:47:39.320
We're gonna start the year off with the challenge. Come on, y'all,

1009
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:41.880
somebody's got to be able to help this man, you know,

1010
00:47:41.960 --> 00:47:42.599
I wish I could.

1011
00:47:42.679 --> 00:47:44.280
I wish I had, you know, but I'm not.

1012
00:47:44.320 --> 00:47:46.159
You know more about anything than I do as far

1013
00:47:46.199 --> 00:47:48.199
as the court systems, you know, having lived it.

1014
00:47:48.239 --> 00:47:51.360
But I wanted to ask you this too. I'm gonna flop.

1015
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.559
Sideways real quick though, because I do want to talk

1016
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:54.519
about the court system with you. But talk to me

1017
00:47:54.559 --> 00:47:56.840
about that morning now, since I have you right here.

1018
00:47:56.920 --> 00:47:59.320
You walked out. It was a normal day. And I

1019
00:47:59.320 --> 00:48:02.199
know you've told this story, but did you like looking

1020
00:48:02.239 --> 00:48:06.039
back on it? Do you realize more things than maybe you?

1021
00:48:06.039 --> 00:48:09.400
You know how the longer you you, as time goes on,

1022
00:48:09.480 --> 00:48:11.679
you kind of can remember more things about what was

1023
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:12.119
going on.

1024
00:48:12.480 --> 00:48:15.400
What was that like? Seriously talk to me like someone

1025
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:16.800
put nine bullets in you.

1026
00:48:17.519 --> 00:48:20.960
Well, first of all, a normal Friday, I wouldn't be

1027
00:48:20.960 --> 00:48:24.880
going out to work Friday at five o'clock. We normally

1028
00:48:24.920 --> 00:48:28.480
are taking Eric to go and spend a weekend with

1029
00:48:28.559 --> 00:48:32.119
his mom. So Friday morning, says a family, typically we

1030
00:48:32.239 --> 00:48:34.679
get have breakfast, get ready to get dressed, and we're

1031
00:48:34.679 --> 00:48:37.480
gonna go out and spend the day together. So typically

1032
00:48:37.800 --> 00:48:41.119
at ninth nine thirty, we're coming out of the house

1033
00:48:41.159 --> 00:48:44.599
as a family. But that day was different. Because one

1034
00:48:44.639 --> 00:48:46.800
of my co managers at Beer and Toyota was on

1035
00:48:46.880 --> 00:48:51.480
vacation and as another manager or salary we asked to

1036
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:53.000
come in. We got to go in, so I was

1037
00:48:53.039 --> 00:48:56.119
going into work. So it was eight twenty I you know,

1038
00:48:56.199 --> 00:49:00.639
I said goodbye to Dragon and Didi and and my

1039
00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:02.440
step kids were in Florida at the time.

1040
00:49:02.639 --> 00:49:03.440
They were with their grandma.

1041
00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:06.559
All right, grandparents, right, grandparents? Yeah, yeah. So I was

1042
00:49:06.599 --> 00:49:10.559
walking out and I just hit my fob to unlock

1043
00:49:10.559 --> 00:49:12.960
my car door and I pop, and I thought was

1044
00:49:13.159 --> 00:49:15.039
I thought it was fireworks, So I looked over to

1045
00:49:15.079 --> 00:49:18.400
my left. I didn't see anything, so immediately I looked

1046
00:49:18.400 --> 00:49:20.760
to right because I want to see my surroundings. I

1047
00:49:20.800 --> 00:49:23.559
see a guy running at me firing. First shot hits

1048
00:49:23.559 --> 00:49:27.039
my arm, shatters my arm. I end up dropping the

1049
00:49:27.079 --> 00:49:30.760
fob and I'm like, oh crap. And then I think,

1050
00:49:30.760 --> 00:49:32.559
tell myself, I'm going to run to my car and

1051
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:35.960
try and use that as shelter. As I'm running the car,

1052
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:37.039
he's still firing at me.

1053
00:49:37.199 --> 00:49:39.000
And then I finally and he doesn't say a word.

1054
00:49:39.480 --> 00:49:43.039
No, He's got a mask and some weird green kitchen gloves,

1055
00:49:43.280 --> 00:49:47.199
and so he's about I would say fifty yards out

1056
00:49:47.639 --> 00:49:51.280
when he started shooting at me, and so I take

1057
00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:52.960
a shot to the back of my right leg. I

1058
00:49:53.000 --> 00:49:55.480
end up falling to the ground and he's still shooting

1059
00:49:55.480 --> 00:49:57.599
at me. So I'm trying to get behind the car

1060
00:49:57.719 --> 00:49:58.800
door and hiding.

1061
00:49:59.360 --> 00:50:03.400
And can you even can you even process why? Like

1062
00:50:03.440 --> 00:50:05.280
are you wondering why in that moment? Or was it

1063
00:50:05.280 --> 00:50:06.320
strictly survival?

1064
00:50:06.599 --> 00:50:09.559
Oh? No, it was more like I'm at first it's

1065
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:11.480
where I'm going to go. So I'm looking at like

1066
00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:14.039
what what I can do to best protect myself in

1067
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:17.199
this situation? Right like, and so that's all I'm thinking, like,

1068
00:50:18.280 --> 00:50:20.760
and then am I going to die? Right? At one

1069
00:50:20.760 --> 00:50:23.039
point I tell you where I felt that. But he

1070
00:50:23.079 --> 00:50:25.119
comes around the corner. I look up, he shoots me.

1071
00:50:25.159 --> 00:50:27.239
He goes right in my chest, and I'm like, oh shit,

1072
00:50:27.800 --> 00:50:30.280
I'm going to die. I'm like literally gonna die. So

1073
00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.960
I'm like, where do I go? My arm is shattered,

1074
00:50:33.119 --> 00:50:36.199
so I just dive into my car put my head

1075
00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:39.760
under the wheelwell so he can't shoot my head. Yeah,

1076
00:50:39.800 --> 00:50:42.360
and he just starts firing the rest of up and

1077
00:50:42.400 --> 00:50:45.320
down the left side of my body. Then I see

1078
00:50:45.360 --> 00:50:47.840
him and I'm like looking back, like that I see

1079
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:50.519
him picking up casings and he runs off. So then

1080
00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:54.639
I fall out of my car, laying on the ground bleeding.

1081
00:50:55.159 --> 00:50:58.760
I hear my neighbors saying, hey, are you okay?

1082
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:03.480
No Swiss cheese, bro be shot.

1083
00:51:04.760 --> 00:51:08.480
They're like, where are you shot? I'm like everywhere, Yeah, everywhere,

1084
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:09.559
like literally everywhere.

1085
00:51:09.599 --> 00:51:11.239
And so and I want you to know I listened

1086
00:51:11.239 --> 00:51:16.760
to that no One One call and your voice, Oh yeah,

1087
00:51:16.840 --> 00:51:18.840
and you can tell, you can tell.

1088
00:51:18.840 --> 00:51:21.360
And you said, I can't film my arms he was.

1089
00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:24.400
It was numb. I couldn't. I couldn't move my arm.

1090
00:51:24.480 --> 00:51:26.920
That was that was the hardest part. It was just

1091
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.159
I didn't know how to tell you. You can feel like,

1092
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:33.079
imagine your your army is so heavy. Yeah, you can't

1093
00:51:33.119 --> 00:51:35.840
lift it up. That's how you know. Yeah, I couldn't

1094
00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:36.400
move it at all.

1095
00:51:36.440 --> 00:51:39.280
And I was like, and you were screaming for Eric too.

1096
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:41.599
Yeah I was. I was saying, telling my wife, you know,

1097
00:51:41.960 --> 00:51:45.280
watch out, you know, watch you know, watch Eric, because.

1098
00:51:45.079 --> 00:51:47.599
You thought they were after him. You really in your

1099
00:51:47.599 --> 00:51:49.039
mind right then, you thought it was her.

1100
00:51:49.760 --> 00:51:50.000
Yeah.

1101
00:51:51.039 --> 00:51:53.800
Yeah, but I love the freaking slick broke. I'm sorry.

1102
00:51:53.840 --> 00:51:55.400
I know we're talking about you getting shot, but when

1103
00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.280
you came out, bro, pretend me and you were having

1104
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.719
a beer right now. You said the shooter was too

1105
00:52:02.800 --> 00:52:05.599
thin to be by ex fell out my chair.

1106
00:52:05.639 --> 00:52:10.079
I said, what a freaking slick cut down. I'm sorry.

1107
00:52:10.119 --> 00:52:11.280
I know, I know you were shot.

1108
00:52:11.280 --> 00:52:12.639
I'm sorry, but I thought I don't know if you

1109
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:13.360
meant it like that.

1110
00:52:13.880 --> 00:52:16.760
I did. I knew it was her, I just didn't

1111
00:52:16.800 --> 00:52:20.639
know who she said sent. Yeah, And at first my

1112
00:52:20.760 --> 00:52:22.639
first thought I thought it was actually one of her

1113
00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:27.360
sisters that she sent. I didn't tell others. Girl, but

1114
00:52:27.440 --> 00:52:30.800
the body stature I thought was her sister Priscilla or

1115
00:52:30.920 --> 00:52:32.519
sister Sheila that had come.

1116
00:52:32.679 --> 00:52:33.800
But but wasn't.

1117
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:34.599
It wasn't.

1118
00:52:35.079 --> 00:52:35.960
So when did you?

1119
00:52:37.360 --> 00:52:37.480
So?

1120
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:39.480
When did you? So you get to the hot do

1121
00:52:39.519 --> 00:52:41.199
you do? You lose consciousness at all?

1122
00:52:41.880 --> 00:52:46.840
So one of my funny stories. So once once they

1123
00:52:46.880 --> 00:52:49.480
get there, police turn to kick me up. Then the

1124
00:52:49.559 --> 00:52:52.280
paramedics show up. I say goodbye to my wife. She's

1125
00:52:52.280 --> 00:52:54.960
telling me, don't worry, I got this. You'll be okay.

1126
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:59.039
You're gonna make it. They put me into the ambulance

1127
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:05.079
and at that point I'm just at peace. I feel

1128
00:53:05.119 --> 00:53:08.239
at peace. They're literally ripping clothes off and trying to

1129
00:53:08.280 --> 00:53:10.639
find all the bullet wounds, and I just feel myself

1130
00:53:11.039 --> 00:53:13.880
falling asleep. I don't know, and it's not like you

1131
00:53:14.119 --> 00:53:17.119
kind of you're tired, but you're just like at peace.

1132
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:19.840
You're warm and cozy and laying.

1133
00:53:19.599 --> 00:53:22.320
In the metal. I feel like, you know, I could

1134
00:53:22.360 --> 00:53:24.960
lay here all day, right, And so he shakes me.

1135
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:28.440
He goes, hey, darent, you gotta stay awake. I'm okay, okay, okay,

1136
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.280
and then it happens again. I'm ready to pass and

1137
00:53:31.320 --> 00:53:34.880
then I feel this searing pain in my left arm.

1138
00:53:35.280 --> 00:53:39.239
He sticks his finger in my wound, and I'm like, fuck, fuck,

1139
00:53:39.320 --> 00:53:41.639
don't do that. I'm awake. I'm awake. And from that

1140
00:53:41.719 --> 00:53:43.320
point I stayed up the whole time.

1141
00:53:43.639 --> 00:53:46.199
Hey, well he kept you awake, didn't he kept me awake?

1142
00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:46.880
Wow?

1143
00:53:47.119 --> 00:53:48.159
And I saw the photo too.

1144
00:53:48.199 --> 00:53:50.800
I posted it on my Patreon of you with some

1145
00:53:50.840 --> 00:53:55.079
of the first responders that that helped you, that showed up.

1146
00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:56.599
And by the way, that is what I teach.

1147
00:53:56.599 --> 00:53:57.599
I don't know if I told you the or not,

1148
00:53:57.639 --> 00:53:59.920
but it's not a one dispatch and I teach fire,

1149
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.719
police and medical, and so that was that was really

1150
00:54:03.760 --> 00:54:04.440
cool to me today.

1151
00:54:04.440 --> 00:54:06.079
They were it was nice to be able to do

1152
00:54:06.159 --> 00:54:09.599
that episode with them. We got to meet them, and uh,

1153
00:54:09.719 --> 00:54:12.239
I had never I hadn't been able to speak to

1154
00:54:12.239 --> 00:54:15.199
any of the first responders until that day when we

1155
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:17.119
actually shot. So it was nice to be able to

1156
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:18.440
finally meet them.

1157
00:54:17.880 --> 00:54:21.320
And then I thought, what a badass that you stood

1158
00:54:21.400 --> 00:54:24.159
up for that picture, for your for your kids.

1159
00:54:24.360 --> 00:54:27.119
You still That was the day after surgery, and like

1160
00:54:27.159 --> 00:54:29.639
I said, I didn't want my step kids to see

1161
00:54:29.719 --> 00:54:32.519
me laying in the hospital dying, and I didn't want

1162
00:54:32.559 --> 00:54:34.639
them to think, you know, the worst. I wanted to

1163
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.719
give them that hope that there's you know, I'm okay,

1164
00:54:37.760 --> 00:54:38.519
I'm gonna make it.

1165
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:38.920
Yeah.

1166
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.760
I didn't know if I was gonna make it, I know,

1167
00:54:40.920 --> 00:54:43.679
but I wanted them to believe it at least, right.

1168
00:54:44.239 --> 00:54:45.840
Wow, And that says a lot, I'm telling you, just

1169
00:54:45.840 --> 00:54:47.760
says so much as a dad that you care enough

1170
00:54:47.840 --> 00:54:50.159
to the small things, you know, the small things that

1171
00:54:50.199 --> 00:54:52.960
those all the babies knew that you were you were

1172
00:54:53.000 --> 00:54:54.719
going to be okay, and at least felt like you

1173
00:54:54.760 --> 00:54:56.480
were going to be okay. So let me let's talk

1174
00:54:56.519 --> 00:54:59.199
about this. When they told you who had shot you,

1175
00:54:59.239 --> 00:55:02.760
when you found out, what did you think, Well, I

1176
00:55:02.840 --> 00:55:05.679
knew no, but I mean that it was teenagers.

1177
00:55:06.039 --> 00:55:09.519
Oh when I found it was teenagers, Yeah, it was shocked.

1178
00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:12.360
I was shocked the fact that that teenagers would do

1179
00:55:12.360 --> 00:55:14.559
it in the first place, and second that she would

1180
00:55:14.559 --> 00:55:19.760
involve like teenagers like that. Really it It took me

1181
00:55:19.880 --> 00:55:22.639
months to like talk think about what I wanted to

1182
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.320
do with the situation. And yeah, like I totally in

1183
00:55:27.360 --> 00:55:29.760
the court, like she didn't only victimize me, but she

1184
00:55:29.880 --> 00:55:33.119
victimized those two boys in their families as well.

1185
00:55:33.280 --> 00:55:36.039
You know that they're young, and they're impressionable, and I

1186
00:55:36.079 --> 00:55:38.159
know people are like, damn, they shot somebody, and I

1187
00:55:38.199 --> 00:55:44.239
agree stupidity at its finest, but again, yeah, kids that

1188
00:55:44.320 --> 00:55:47.480
they are, they are. They still try to kill you though,

1189
00:55:47.519 --> 00:55:48.920
And if you weren't speaking to me right now, it

1190
00:55:48.920 --> 00:55:50.760
wouldn't be so kind, like for real.

1191
00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:54.000
But you know, like I said, I say it in

1192
00:55:54.039 --> 00:55:56.840
court too, like you know, I grew up with hate

1193
00:55:57.039 --> 00:56:01.360
and anger and resentment and all that, and I understand.

1194
00:56:01.760 --> 00:56:04.599
I don't know the upbringing of the case. I know

1195
00:56:04.960 --> 00:56:07.039
after talk to Quincy's found me he came from a.

1196
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:09.880
Good absolutely and you can tell the social media that

1197
00:56:09.920 --> 00:56:10.360
he came back.

1198
00:56:10.440 --> 00:56:13.400
I don't know about Joseph. You know, like Joseph, what

1199
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:16.159
kind of place he had to have been to make

1200
00:56:16.199 --> 00:56:19.360
that choice? Right? I like to decide that that's the thing,

1201
00:56:19.480 --> 00:56:21.840
that's the part that makes me want to have compassion

1202
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:26.440
because I remember a kid. People wrote me off without

1203
00:56:26.440 --> 00:56:29.079
getting to know me. Yeah, I did some horrible stuff,

1204
00:56:29.400 --> 00:56:32.039
but they didn't know why and why I did the

1205
00:56:32.079 --> 00:56:34.360
things I did. You know the life I grew up.

1206
00:56:34.519 --> 00:56:36.559
So let me ask you this question, And you may

1207
00:56:36.599 --> 00:56:38.079
not like it, but I want to know if you

1208
00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:41.199
wouldn't have survived, would you feel the.

1209
00:56:41.159 --> 00:56:44.000
Same way if I didn't survive.

1210
00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:46.880
If you didn't survive and Dragon was left without his

1211
00:56:46.960 --> 00:56:50.400
daddy and your step kids were left without you, indeed,

1212
00:56:50.400 --> 00:56:52.679
he was left without you, would you feel the same way?

1213
00:56:53.119 --> 00:56:57.559
Yeah? I would. I'd still be I'd be disappointed and sad. Right.

1214
00:56:59.119 --> 00:57:03.480
I don't think the outcome changed the way their intentions

1215
00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:06.960
either way, right, Like my intentions shouldn't change it either way, too.

1216
00:57:06.960 --> 00:57:07.559
I understand.

1217
00:57:07.599 --> 00:57:09.920
I mean, in the beginning, it was, like I said,

1218
00:57:09.960 --> 00:57:12.639
it took me months to think about it and what

1219
00:57:12.719 --> 00:57:15.119
I wanted to do. And so when I actually had

1220
00:57:15.280 --> 00:57:18.320
talked to the prosecutors about reducing their sentence and stuff.

1221
00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.719
It wasn't something I made a decision over like overnight,

1222
00:57:22.360 --> 00:57:25.000
but I had to weigh in my own experiences, my

1223
00:57:25.039 --> 00:57:27.599
own life, my own up and also what I wanted

1224
00:57:27.599 --> 00:57:29.679
to see for these boys. I want to be able

1225
00:57:29.679 --> 00:57:34.239
to see that they can move past a horrible mistake

1226
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:37.400
that they made. It really is and you know, who knows,

1227
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:41.239
maybe they can be a soldier one day and advocate

1228
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:42.119
for others well.

1229
00:57:42.119 --> 00:57:44.719
And Quincy wanted to go into the military. I mean

1230
00:57:45.039 --> 00:57:47.320
from what I gathered from his social media and some

1231
00:57:47.360 --> 00:57:49.199
other stuff. I mean I really dove in and looked,

1232
00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:52.000
and it seemed like he wanted to go military.

1233
00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:53.280
But he was treading that line.

1234
00:57:53.320 --> 00:57:55.039
He seemed like one of those kids that I'm not

1235
00:57:55.039 --> 00:57:56.800
saying he was a bad kid, but he seemed like

1236
00:57:56.840 --> 00:57:58.880
one that was kind of tread in the line. I

1237
00:57:58.880 --> 00:58:00.800
see him at school all the time where they have

1238
00:58:00.880 --> 00:58:04.880
the potential to be absolutely fantastic or to go completely south.

1239
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:07.840
The influenced influenced it.

1240
00:58:07.920 --> 00:58:10.639
Yeah, and so have you spoken to either of them.

1241
00:58:11.960 --> 00:58:12.239
Either?

1242
00:58:12.639 --> 00:58:15.639
No? So there there. They have a lifetime no contact

1243
00:58:16.559 --> 00:58:20.280
order with me. The prison does allow them if they

1244
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:23.239
want to like write a letter and stuff. It goes

1245
00:58:23.280 --> 00:58:23.840
into it.

1246
00:58:24.039 --> 00:58:26.480
But you have to initiate the victim of dialogue.

1247
00:58:26.559 --> 00:58:29.480
Right. If I want to read it or it's something,

1248
00:58:29.519 --> 00:58:32.199
it's up to me. But they'll notify me, but they won't.

1249
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:34.519
Do you want to read it if they write something?

1250
00:58:34.719 --> 00:58:37.719
If they do, yeah, I would I you know, I

1251
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:40.639
don't want to close out that if they're looking for

1252
00:58:40.639 --> 00:58:43.519
forgiveness or their so I mean, I know Quincy already

1253
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.360
has asked. I already told them. You don't even have

1254
00:58:45.440 --> 00:58:48.400
to ask. I've already forgiven you, guys. But if it

1255
00:58:48.519 --> 00:58:50.679
makes peace for them, then yeah, I would love to

1256
00:58:50.679 --> 00:58:52.360
be facilitate that for them.

1257
00:58:52.800 --> 00:58:55.920
And again, all kudos to you.

1258
00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:58.519
But the som bitch who actually shot you, if he

1259
00:58:58.679 --> 00:59:03.000
does not write a letter and apologize, then I'm and

1260
00:59:03.039 --> 00:59:05.119
I listen. I know you're the victim. That's your story,

1261
00:59:05.159 --> 00:59:06.599
but something to me wants to go. Let me tell

1262
00:59:06.639 --> 00:59:09.719
you something, Padna. You've got a gift here of a man.

1263
00:59:10.559 --> 00:59:13.559
You're a gift, you know, and a gift to be

1264
00:59:13.679 --> 00:59:15.639
willing to go for and say reduce it. And you

1265
00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.280
don't even bother to write a letter.

1266
00:59:18.440 --> 00:59:20.480
Well, that was my message to him in the court

1267
00:59:20.800 --> 00:59:23.039
when he was getting sentencing. So I did get to

1268
00:59:23.079 --> 00:59:25.280
address him and get to address the court.

1269
00:59:25.039 --> 00:59:25.960
And did they look at you?

1270
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:30.199
Yeah? Yeah, I told him, I said, you know, you

1271
00:59:30.239 --> 00:59:34.519
come in here. You're not as remorseful as as Quincy was.

1272
00:59:35.400 --> 00:59:39.199
And you maybe I have second, you know thoughts about

1273
00:59:39.239 --> 00:59:41.480
you know, doing what I did. But you know, I

1274
00:59:41.480 --> 00:59:44.199
hope you understand that there's you know, you have this

1275
00:59:44.239 --> 00:59:48.840
opportunity to make something of yourself. You know it's up

1276
00:59:48.840 --> 00:59:49.159
to you.

1277
00:59:49.199 --> 00:59:52.000
Now, God, what a gift you gave him, the gift

1278
00:59:52.039 --> 00:59:53.400
of a lifetime if they waste it.

1279
00:59:53.920 --> 00:59:56.440
Yeah, but that's all I can do. Yeah.

1280
00:59:56.639 --> 01:00:01.320
Yeah. Well the other thing too, before we wrap it up,

1281
01:00:01.400 --> 01:00:05.440
is that you have a you're real big into the

1282
01:00:05.480 --> 01:00:07.920
foster care system and making changes correct and you have

1283
01:00:07.960 --> 01:00:09.440
a your bike number.

1284
01:00:09.880 --> 01:00:11.960
Yeah, there's a couple of things. So I'm no longer

1285
01:00:12.239 --> 01:00:15.880
on the board of directors for Route twenty one because

1286
01:00:15.920 --> 01:00:20.880
of my business. There's a conflict, so I've stepped down

1287
01:00:20.920 --> 01:00:23.599
to just be on the board of board of advisors now.

1288
01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:27.480
But Route twenty one is a nonprofit. We set up

1289
01:00:27.559 --> 01:00:30.320
to take kids that were in foster care in their

1290
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:33.159
twenties and thirties and we pay them to mentor kids

1291
01:00:33.159 --> 01:00:35.519
that are currently in care. Now, and so our goal

1292
01:00:35.599 --> 01:00:38.119
is to obviously give them the tools needed so when

1293
01:00:38.119 --> 01:00:41.239
they hit adulthood, they're not part of the system where

1294
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:46.760
they're good traffic, drugs, incarceration, homelessness. And I preach a

1295
01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:49.920
lot about how we have a lot of programs out

1296
01:00:49.920 --> 01:00:53.840
here to address a lot of these social issues that

1297
01:00:53.840 --> 01:01:00.960
we're talking about, but I call them reactive reactives. Right,

1298
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.920
they're not stopping anything, they're just treating.

1299
01:01:03.559 --> 01:01:06.920
The We need proactive, not react proactive.

1300
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.159
So what we're doing is most people don't realize all

1301
01:01:10.199 --> 01:01:13.800
these social issues. If you look back, a majority a

1302
01:01:13.840 --> 01:01:16.880
good portion of them stem from people that were in

1303
01:01:16.960 --> 01:01:21.400
false care. So we can stop the cycle by giving

1304
01:01:21.440 --> 01:01:24.079
these kids the ability to stay out of that, then

1305
01:01:24.119 --> 01:01:25.760
we don't have to deal with it down the road

1306
01:01:25.840 --> 01:01:30.920
later on when they're homeless and they're Yeah, that's the idea.

1307
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:32.119
I've always said this.

1308
01:01:32.400 --> 01:01:35.239
I think it's kind of bizarre how we force schools

1309
01:01:35.280 --> 01:01:37.920
to do bake sales to help kids that are we're

1310
01:01:37.920 --> 01:01:40.239
trying to help succeed, but prisons are given everything.

1311
01:01:40.400 --> 01:01:44.400
It's like we've got to just ask backwards, you know.

1312
01:01:45.119 --> 01:01:48.920
But we we yeah, we spend I guess you know,

1313
01:01:49.199 --> 01:01:51.280
I don't even want to get political, but yeah, there's

1314
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:54.119
so much government waste when you come to these programs. Yeah,

1315
01:01:54.159 --> 01:01:56.800
and that's why we need people to start, you know,

1316
01:01:56.960 --> 01:02:01.199
other organizations and and reach out and as much as possible.

1317
01:02:01.239 --> 01:02:04.000
You know, we can only do so much in our neighborhood.

1318
01:02:04.079 --> 01:02:07.760
But guess what, it only takes one two children to

1319
01:02:07.880 --> 01:02:10.360
survive and do well and they can go and be

1320
01:02:10.480 --> 01:02:14.280
the next Elon Musk who knows and yeah, changes they

1321
01:02:14.280 --> 01:02:14.960
can make. Right?

1322
01:02:15.880 --> 01:02:18.000
Is that is that root twenty one r o u

1323
01:02:18.039 --> 01:02:20.360
t E two one at what is this?

1324
01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:26.000
It's actually RTE twenty one dot org and that's the website.

1325
01:02:25.559 --> 01:02:27.400
Okay, and we're gonna link it. We'll link it in

1326
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:28.719
the show notes too, if anyone wants to.

1327
01:02:28.719 --> 01:02:31.320
Go to it. It's also in my link tree. My

1328
01:02:31.400 --> 01:02:34.519
link tree is a link tree slash.

1329
01:02:33.880 --> 01:02:36.800
Baron b Lee Okay, and we're gonna also put your

1330
01:02:36.880 --> 01:02:42.679
link tree in the show notes. There's also your big yeah,

1331
01:02:42.719 --> 01:02:45.159
your link tree. Y'all need to go follow him on all.

1332
01:02:45.079 --> 01:02:46.840
Of his socials because he puts great videos.

1333
01:02:46.840 --> 01:02:49.719
If you can go see Dragon too, see him just

1334
01:02:49.840 --> 01:02:52.079
his favorite sushi place that y'all go to eat. I

1335
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:54.840
saw a picture of that the family and it's just

1336
01:02:54.920 --> 01:02:58.039
good quality content. And I don't know if you wanted

1337
01:02:58.079 --> 01:02:59.679
me to say this or not, so you let me know.

1338
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.880
But the truth of the matter is that everything that

1339
01:03:03.320 --> 01:03:05.599
Baron's gone through and that Eric continues to go through,

1340
01:03:05.800 --> 01:03:09.079
and everything cost a lot of money, and so any

1341
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:13.639
views and things like that help to support the changes

1342
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.159
you need, for example, having you know, the cost to

1343
01:03:16.159 --> 01:03:21.360
have you be his custodial parent, you know all of that.

1344
01:03:21.679 --> 01:03:23.440
If you can just go follow him, you know, go

1345
01:03:23.519 --> 01:03:25.400
follow him on all of the socials. Again, we'll link

1346
01:03:25.400 --> 01:03:26.679
it for you at the bottom of the show notes.

1347
01:03:26.679 --> 01:03:28.320
That would mean a big That would mean a lot

1348
01:03:28.360 --> 01:03:30.000
to me. I know it'd mean a lot to you,

1349
01:03:30.079 --> 01:03:34.280
and y'all can follow Dragon and his daddy on their

1350
01:03:34.320 --> 01:03:35.800
adventures and the things that they're doing.

1351
01:03:36.119 --> 01:03:38.159
I wanted to share something with you. You'd be the

1352
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:41.519
first person to actually have heard what we did. So

1353
01:03:41.880 --> 01:03:45.840
last year in June. My business partner and he's actually

1354
01:03:45.880 --> 01:03:48.159
in Route twenty one. He's one of the mentors and

1355
01:03:48.159 --> 01:03:51.159
I actually met him. He's a previous foster child. He

1356
01:03:51.239 --> 01:03:56.199
and I both started a general contracting company. Between both

1357
01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.800
of us, we have more than forty placements in Foster Care.

1358
01:04:00.119 --> 01:04:03.760
Wanted to create a company where we can take age

1359
01:04:03.800 --> 01:04:05.639
out foster kids and give them a job in the

1360
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:09.239
construction field. But I'm not looking at giving kids just

1361
01:04:09.280 --> 01:04:13.280
the job. Our goal is to eventually make them become

1362
01:04:13.320 --> 01:04:18.159
business owners. Like we want to empower these kids to

1363
01:04:17.800 --> 01:04:20.840
have their own businesses, run their own businesses, and then

1364
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:23.480
be able to give back to the community. So that's

1365
01:04:23.559 --> 01:04:26.400
kind of why I step down from Route twenty one

1366
01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:30.199
because I'm actively working on this project right now and

1367
01:04:30.760 --> 01:04:33.079
we're in the process of possibly opening up a couple

1368
01:04:33.119 --> 01:04:36.480
more job. One is a drywall company and another one

1369
01:04:36.559 --> 01:04:38.679
it's a pressure washing business.

1370
01:04:39.039 --> 01:04:41.199
I love this career and tech ed man. That's where

1371
01:04:41.199 --> 01:04:41.639
it's at.

1372
01:04:41.960 --> 01:04:45.039
Yeah, we're gonna co partner with who are you know,

1373
01:04:45.280 --> 01:04:47.320
one of these kids to run their own businesses and

1374
01:04:47.320 --> 01:04:49.440
give them all the twos and teach them how to network,

1375
01:04:49.519 --> 01:04:52.719
how to do stuff. I don't even advertise for my

1376
01:04:52.800 --> 01:04:55.239
own business and we're booked every single day. So that's

1377
01:04:55.360 --> 01:04:57.079
the other part I want to teach them is like

1378
01:04:57.480 --> 01:05:00.559
there's a lot of marketing skills that's started to run

1379
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.119
a business. You don't even have to pay for advertising

1380
01:05:03.440 --> 01:05:03.920
to do that.

1381
01:05:04.039 --> 01:05:05.960
So Yes and I'll encourage you too.

1382
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:07.639
You didn't ask for this, but I'll encourage you in

1383
01:05:07.679 --> 01:05:10.320
your area to link up with your schools because like

1384
01:05:10.360 --> 01:05:13.519
our schools here, we do internship programs and where this

1385
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:16.000
would be beautiful for these kids that are in this

1386
01:05:16.280 --> 01:05:18.079
that they would leave school and then they could go

1387
01:05:18.119 --> 01:05:21.000
work and do their internship with you, you know, so

1388
01:05:21.199 --> 01:05:23.559
never never, you know, down where schools can.

1389
01:05:23.679 --> 01:05:26.280
We have a lot of organizations out here that work

1390
01:05:26.320 --> 01:05:29.440
with kids, and so I've through Route twenty one, I've

1391
01:05:29.440 --> 01:05:34.039
already had connections with those people. The nice thing is

1392
01:05:34.079 --> 01:05:37.079
that when I started my advocacy, once I realized I

1393
01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:39.000
had a platform and people wanted to hear me, I

1394
01:05:39.039 --> 01:05:42.679
started talking about my interest in helping foster kids. So

1395
01:05:42.760 --> 01:05:44.920
I've had quite a few people. It's how I met

1396
01:05:45.039 --> 01:05:47.719
Rick Nowell, who's the founder of Route twenty one. I

1397
01:05:47.880 --> 01:05:50.920
actually mentored him for a year to help him get

1398
01:05:50.920 --> 01:05:54.280
this nonprofit started. So those are the things that this

1399
01:05:54.400 --> 01:05:58.440
door is. These these uh you know talking about doors opening.

1400
01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:01.000
The shooting has opened up so many more doors for

1401
01:06:01.079 --> 01:06:03.559
me and my family. That and I'm able to do

1402
01:06:03.639 --> 01:06:06.920
more things and give back. So my career now isn't

1403
01:06:06.920 --> 01:06:09.039
about me. It's about how much more I can affect

1404
01:06:09.079 --> 01:06:11.159
and how much more people I can serve, And it's

1405
01:06:11.239 --> 01:06:14.280
it's much more fulfilling than doing what I did before.

1406
01:06:14.480 --> 01:06:16.920
And I was successful at what I did before. Yeah,

1407
01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.000
a great salesperson. I've been in sales my entire life.

1408
01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:22.800
But this is much more fulfilling and I get to

1409
01:06:22.840 --> 01:06:23.840
work with great people.

1410
01:06:24.119 --> 01:06:25.599
Well, I wanted to. I want to say this and

1411
01:06:25.639 --> 01:06:27.760
I mean it with all the genuineness in my heart.

1412
01:06:28.039 --> 01:06:29.440
I am your biggest fan.

1413
01:06:30.159 --> 01:06:33.719
I am Eric's I guess i'll say second Dragon's second

1414
01:06:33.760 --> 01:06:36.119
biggest fan, because I know you're his biggest fan. And

1415
01:06:36.440 --> 01:06:38.320
I hope that when we hang up that you'll go

1416
01:06:38.320 --> 01:06:40.599
give him a hug and tell him I'm sending him

1417
01:06:40.599 --> 01:06:44.480
a special treat that I made for him. And I'm

1418
01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:46.159
sending you a T shirt too. I told you I was,

1419
01:06:46.199 --> 01:06:48.079
so you're looking in the mail for that. I want

1420
01:06:48.119 --> 01:06:49.320
to thank you so much.

1421
01:06:49.920 --> 01:06:52.440
Well, I appreciate it, I you know, for you taking

1422
01:06:52.440 --> 01:06:54.440
the time to talk with me and giving me this

1423
01:06:54.519 --> 01:06:56.920
platform to tell a little bit more, like you know,

1424
01:06:56.960 --> 01:06:59.320
in depth, because a lot of the platforms I'm not

1425
01:06:59.360 --> 01:07:02.000
saying that they did don't want to just time constraints,

1426
01:07:01.880 --> 01:07:03.719
it's hard to tell this whole story. Yeah, I have

1427
01:07:03.760 --> 01:07:05.599
a lot more to share it too.

1428
01:07:06.039 --> 01:07:08.599
Well, I'm always here and anything that I can share,

1429
01:07:08.639 --> 01:07:11.039
I'm gonna go follow you on my socials too.

1430
01:07:11.039 --> 01:07:12.719
I think I did on some of them, but you know,

1431
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:13.639
I'm gonna go do that.

1432
01:07:13.760 --> 01:07:16.280
Tool. By the way, you're so adorable.

1433
01:07:17.679 --> 01:07:19.800
I appreciate it. I appreciate it.

1434
01:07:19.960 --> 01:07:22.440
Well, look down here in the South, we're fans of

1435
01:07:22.480 --> 01:07:25.079
Barren Lee, and we're fans of Dragon, and I hope

1436
01:07:25.079 --> 01:07:26.960
that y'all just do great things, and I hope that

1437
01:07:27.000 --> 01:07:29.719
things turn out as best as possible for you and

1438
01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:30.280
your family.

1439
01:07:30.599 --> 01:07:33.199
Well, we take a road trip down there. I'm gonna

1440
01:07:33.239 --> 01:07:33.760
definitely come in.

1441
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.760
Please do come see me and Jim, Jem and I Jim,

1442
01:07:36.880 --> 01:07:40.480
Me and Jim, Jim Jim. All right, So for me

1443
01:07:40.760 --> 01:07:44.320
and Jim and everybody in South Louisiana, thank you so much. Baron.

1444
01:07:44.400 --> 01:07:46.639
Give Dragon a hug, and we can't wait to see

1445
01:07:46.679 --> 01:07:47.599
everywhere that y'all go.

1446
01:07:48.159 --> 01:07:48.639
See you later.