Best of "The Interviews" | 19 Day Devil Series Interview with Mom | Previously Unreleased

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey, y'all, welcome back

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to Unspeaking. What's going on,
my patron peeps? I have got a

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bonus episode for you today, and
I think that you're gonna enjoy this one

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because guess who I have in the
studio with me, The one and only

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Miss Ronda Champagne. But how do
you pronounce that? For those of us

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who are coon ass, it's Champagne
Champagne for us redneck champagne. Miss Rona

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Champagne. And she is the wonderful
mother of Summer and Tanner Ernest and the

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former wife of Billy Ernest. And
I thought, Hey, wouldn't it be

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great if I brought her in because
we've become friends, right, yes,

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we have. And I said,
let me get this woman in here because

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we just love you. My husband
says you're you're his spirit animal because all

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the funny stuff you posted on Facebook. But let's talk, you know,

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and let the people get to know
you, babies. And I think,

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do you think I did an okay
job? You did an awesome job?

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Represented them right? You? Did? You know? I love me some

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Tanner? Oh lord, oh my
god, that boy, that boy in

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our beautiful Summer. Yeah, And
so let's talk a little bit about your

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experience, because I've told the story
and all of its horribleness, and I

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kind of wanted to start with the
fact that, you know, a lot

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of people said Summer and Dakota were
dating. I argue they weren't, right.

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It had only been what a total
in nineteen days that they knew each

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other literally, Yeah, yeah,
And so what was your what was your

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understanding of that relationship? I mean
I looked at it like her and Seawn

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had just broke up. She didn't
even know Dakoda. I guarantee you I

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would hope that if she did know
him and learned the true him, that

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there would have been no Dakota.
I agree, you know, because she

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was smart. Summer wasn't. Summer
wasn't don No. And Sean was such

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a good guy, right he was
or is he still is a good guy.

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Tell me a little about Sean.
I did reach out to him,

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but he you know, he's got
a lot going on, and so I

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don't like to pressure people, right, poor little thing, he does work

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a lot. I couldn't have asked, and I'm telling him that to this

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day. I couldn't have asked for
a better man person for my daughter.

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You know. They met. Did
they meet at the Frearah No, because

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they didn't work there, right they
I think they met online actually, and

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then they started talking whatever, and
then they after a while talking Dayton,

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so be it. She moved out, moved in with him and his parents,

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and she was there for I would
say probably about a year and a

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half two years. I know she
lived with them for probably about eight months.

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She was looking for work, you
know, and then she ended up

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getting on it Ferrara, So they
ended up living together and working together.

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I think that kind of that's what
added to them maybe being together too much

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and still not having enough time to
each other for each other even after everything,

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and I think that's what kind of
led to them breaking up. But

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Sean just we wanted, I want
to be clear that Sean's a good guy

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and that you know, and then
she met this piece of crap and you

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know the rest of you know,
right, So, thoughts about Dakota when

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you first met him, because you
met him just a few days before he

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murdered your children, like literally the
week before, from Saturday to Saturday,

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like I said, we ran into
him Billy Summer and Heaven and christopheran Walmart

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and maybe in total of maybe ten
I'll even say fifteen minutes. To push

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it, you know, someone was
like, hey, this is my friend

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Dakota. Like I said, Dakota
was off, you know, to the

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side, playing with Heaven and I
was playing with the baby and the buggy

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and we were just kind of standing
around talking. He was off to the

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side and looking at him, you
know, with kids these days, you

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know, he just he just looked
grungy, you know. Okay, that's

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just the stout. Tanner had the
wild hair, Dakota had the wald hair.

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Were even joke that Tanner and the
Coda resembled each other. We laughed,

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you know, and then after,
like I said, maybe ten,

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no more than fifteen minutes, we
went about our ways. Was he ghetto

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in the walmart like he was on
this interrogation, he is straight ghetto.

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And even the second time around that
Friday evening, which was the night the

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literally the night before, Yeah,
that evening around I don't know, betweenty

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five and five thirty then came to
the house to pick up Tanner. And

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even with that, even with talking
to him, he didn't sound like he

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did on the interrogation. I was
like, what who is that, Yeah,

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doctor Juckle, mister Hyde, because
he did not I mean he literally,

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you know, introduced himself, reached
out his hand, he said,

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he said, Summer never formally introduced
us. I'm Dacode Ontario, and that's

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what it's nice to media. Summer's
mom, Yeah, Honda, you know,

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and we kind of laughed, you
know, and once again went about

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our business. And so you had
also told me too that after the fact,

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you're their son Hunter who survived because
he was not there, Hunter came

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up to you and said something right
about Dakota. So me and Tanner were

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sitting in the car and Somemer I
was fixing the back up and Summer Dakota

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were coming around the corner of the
trailer and I rode down the window.

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I said, what are y'all doing? And then we were coming to get

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Tanner and I said, well,
I was fixing a back up. And

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some were said, well, I
gotta go squeeze the limbon. I said,

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well, go ahead, I want
to go squeeze the lemon. So

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meaning she had to tea t see
exactly, you know, just tell me

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you gotta go pits. Okay.
So she went on in the house.

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The Coda was outside, and I
mean he was walking around. He was

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smoking a cigarette, you know,
and I when you see kids like mouthing

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to their cell for I thought maybe
he had a song in his hand and

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he was just singing. And Hunter
told me he had opened the door because

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he was like, you know,
okay, you know, Summer came in.

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Where's everybody else at, you know
whatever, And he said, Dakota

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was talking to himself. So I
don't I mean, it could have been

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obviously he probably was looking back and
like, okay, maybe he really was

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talking to himself, you know,
But it wasn't like in your face,

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raw scary type anything, because like
I said, me and Tanner were sitting

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in the car, and I was
actually talking to Tanner and messing with him,

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and the windows were kind of up, so I didn't actually hear him.

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I could just see him lips moving, and he was walking around and

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he was smoking. So but he
kept, you know, pasting back and

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forth, you know, like he
couldn't sit still, all right, And

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did you think he was under the
influence of anything of that time at that

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time? No, No, because
everything just whatever you would call normal,

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you know, he's normal at that
time. I got you, all right,

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So let's go to the day of
the murders. And you told me

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that you're just bebopping through your day
and then you saw it pop up on

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Facebook and you even shared it,
correct, So tell me about that.

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So I don't remember what all I
was doing, but I remember seeing it

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on TV and looking at it,
reading it, you know. Then it

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of course popped up on my phone
and just seeing it, not really paying

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attention, not paying attention to the
trailers and recognizing that, hey that was

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Billy's trailer, Hey that was Jacob's
trailer. Never clicked, never put two

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and two together, saw it,
shared it, and I was like,

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what's going on? I was like, dang, let me sit in ascension

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both at the same time. What
in the world and at the same time.

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And what's crazy is we didn't even
know each other then. And I

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remember where I was when I first
read that. I know exactly where it

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was. And I thought, my
god, two parishes, what is happening?

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That was mean right? And then
you walked outside and what happened?

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So I went outside and I was
walking to the car and truck pulls up

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and I'm like, who in the
world is this? A man and a

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woman? Get out? I mean, I see the banch on the woman

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and uh just kind of look and
I go, okay, you know,

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I want to get ready to start
walking again. And they said, are

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you brought a champagne? And I
said yes, you know what in the

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world? Well, you know you
got a minute. Can we talk to

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you? And I said show And
I'm like, oh on what you know?

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What did I do? Now?
What's going on? And uh,

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you know, can we go inside? And I said, okay, So

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we go on inside and we get
inside. Oh you know, you want

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to have a seat, And then
the boys at this time, the boys

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being hunted Darren, Truvor and Coke
and they were all home. So they

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asked, you know who all was
real quick, that's Kelvin's boys and my

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son. Okay, correct, So
you know, Kelvin's in his chair.

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I sit down in mind and then
the boys we get them to come in

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and they're all sitting and that's when
the detectives you know, oh, you

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know, there's been an incident.
And my first thought at that time was

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never my kids or Billy. It
was actually my mom because mam might had

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breast cancer, okay, and Mama
wasn't home. I saw. You know,

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you don't ever think something like that, and it's gonna be your children,

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right, So you know, there's
been an incident, and here I

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haven't been shot and killed. Yeah, And it was that quick, that

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quick. Yeah, everybody in the
house did what did? Y'all just stare

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at each other, yes, because
it was like, you know, poor

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total disbelief, you know, And
of course I holler and scream for a

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minute, and then you know,
Kelvin grabs me and then I you know,

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then it's like I stopped for a
minute, you know, and of

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course, you know, Trevor got
up and stormed off, and you know,

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Hunter just completely shut down, you
know, I mean, how do

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you process that? You know,
not just your dad, not just your

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brother, not just your sister,
but your dad, your brother, and

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your sister all at one time,
you know, and all all of our

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kids. They were close, they
clicked from the beginning, and I think

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people kind of miss and not taking
away from Darren, Trevor and Kobe's pain.

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Obviously they loved their brother and sister. Hunter got that extra blow though,

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that it was his dad too.
Yes, and that's a lot.

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I don't know how you. I
don't even know how you. I don't

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know how any of you. I
don't even you know what the words are.

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I just wow. And so you
had told me too that right before

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the police showed up, a woman
or a girl had messaged you asking you

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who Summer's what Summer's boyfriend's name was, And I was like, what,

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like, who are you? Right? So immediately I text Summer, not

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knowing and right because she's already deceased, correct, not knowing. So I

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gave it about maybe about fifteen twenty
minutes. Maybe I just assumed she was

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either at work or getting ready for
work. She may have been sleeping.

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So that's when I perceeded outside,
and that's when I was met with the

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detective's correct. So, how long
did the detective stay after they broke the

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news to you? Or were you
asking questions and they couldn't answer you?

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I did, yeah, and of
course you know, everything had just happened.

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So and there's only so much they're
gonna tell you, right, they

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are only going to tell you the
basics, you know. Of course I

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asked, you know, well,
where's this, where's that? Who's the

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you know, where were who and
who? You know? And when they

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asked, who's da coda? I
stopped and I'm like, he did it?

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I just it was like I knew. I was like, when they

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said, where's the code? I
was like, oh, he did it?

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So so he was your first thought, ish, Yes, I mean

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of the choices you had, right, you knew Billy didn't kill your kids,

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and then myself, right, and
I knew the kids hadn't done it,

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right, the babies didn't do it, and the kids didn't kill each

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other exactly. And I knew Summertainer, you know, I knew Billy Summertown.

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I knew they weren't involved, right, You know, and so they

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stayed what an hour, I don't
even think it was that long. It

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may have been literally maybe thirty minutes, enough to tell us what had happened,

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you know, enough to ask about
the code, and we kind of

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you know, went through the steps
so to speak, right, and you

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know, gave me their cards and
was it detective that broke it to you

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or no, it was I know
it was detective Lips. And there was

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the female and I cannot remember her
name. Okay, so and lipscumb I

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believe is in the interrogation with with
about aldu until you can see his head,

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he doesn't really say much. So, so that happens, and then

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do you start calling people or what? What do you do in that situation?

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It's like all of a sudden,
the word got around, you know,

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and everybody started hitting me out.
And then of course, you know,

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normal react and not normal reaction,
I guess, but you know,

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I'm like, oh my god,
you know, I get on Facebook and

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I'm like, oh my god,
it's my baby's you know. Yeah,

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so then everybody knows because of course
I think I was like the last uh

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family member that found out. Really, so once I found out, then

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they were able to post names,
and that's when everything started hitting the news

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and was it people started I'm sure
bombarding you. Was that? What's that

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feeling? Like? It's overwhelming,
you know, and to just once again,

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you're still in such a state of
shock and awe and you're trying to

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process, you know, and it's
still even four and a half years later,

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it's still it's th real, but
it's not, you know, you

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still you live one part in your
body and one part out. That's the

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only way that I can explain it. Like I'm half here, like literally

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yeah, yeah, you know,
and you just like your feet keep moving

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right because they have to almost correct, and I can, you know,

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literally, if it wouldn't be for
God, I don't think I would be

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here. Yeah, you know,
I have other children obviously, you know,

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not that I would take myself out, but you know, just with

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the process and having to deal with
everything and having to function, I guess,

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you know, And I can honestly
say that, you know, if

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it wasn't for him, I wouldn't
be here. Yeah, I would literally.

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I mean I still grieve every day. I have good days and bad

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days, good moments and bad moments, But I think I literally would have

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grieved myself to you dad by now. Yeah, So I have to say

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this real quick. So when I
chose this story because I wanted to tell

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it because I was just so shocked
by it. You know, it's very

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hard even as a storyteller because it's
your story, it's not mine, you

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know what I mean, And so
to it's so different when you have the

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victim looking at you, and then
not only are you the victim, but

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you're the mother of the victims.
That's you don't want to hurt feelings and

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you don't want to say the wrong
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understand the reality of what you dealt
with. And part of that too was

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those photos, those crime scene photos. And I hope since you're sitting here,

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you can back me up on this
that I asked. I didn't have

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to ask permission, right, it
was public record. But those are your

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children, and how do you how
do you look at someone's children in that

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state and just I'm going to put
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really changed some things in my mind
too about true crime, and when I

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see it on TV for its entertainment
purposes, it really is you know,

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people are out there, but to
me, it's not. This isn't entertainment.

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These are the facts. This is
the cold hard truth of what people

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are living. And when you're looking
at someone and you know them, it's

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such a different feeling when it comes
to photos and videos and crime scene,

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right, And you know, and
I love true crime. I watch true

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crime and ghost stuff, you know, all the time. That's my thing.

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But you know, you tend to
forget that somewhere these were real people

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and this really happened. This isn't
just a story, you know, and

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stuff like this, you know,
happens to other people. Stuff like this

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doesn't happen to me until it happened
to me, and then you're like,

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oh my god, this happens every
exactly, yes, everybody and nobody,

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if that makes sense, right,
right, Because it doesn't matter who you

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are. You can be famous,
you cannot be famous. You can be

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you know, some small town,
you know, whatever, it doesn't matter,

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and it does happen, and walking
past you just so on assuming so

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you know, there's no red flag
hanging off of you that says mother of

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two murdered children, and that that's
not lost on me. And I hope

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it's not lost on other people.
You don't know what people are dealing with,

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you know, And I try to
be kind to people for that reason

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because you just don't know. You
have no idea that people are that seem

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so happy and doing their thing or
suffering, you know, and in this

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instance because of somebody else. So
you do know, Just so everybody knows,

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you do know that I shared those
photos and I had your permission because

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I wanted them to know that.
I'm not just putting them on display.

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I want them to They should get
angry, yes, they should when you

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see that. And so my question, my next question is basically when we

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when you realized that Dakota had mental
illness, which you do agree with that

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correct that he had something going on
or no, I wouldn't agree, But

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that still doesn't excuse what he did. There we go, that's what only

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the fact that he does have mental
illness, you know. And I'm gonna

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get on my mental ill this kick
for a minute. And it's not to

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defend him. This is to defend
everybody with mental illness that aren't actually out

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there killing people. But the mental
health system sucks and it's failing people all

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over, you know, And I
truly believe that if he would have got

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the help that he needed, he
wouldn't have self medicated. Most people with

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mental illness or you know, they
can't get the mess and they need.

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They feel like nothing's working, they're
not getting the help, So what do

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they do. They self medicate,
whether it's drugs or alcohol. What did

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he do? He turned the drugs, you know, and I think that

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playing a part. Regardless, I'm
not once again excusing me, which right,

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because he still chose to do what
he did. He didn't have to

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shoot them. He could have held
billion gunpoint and said, hey, give

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me your truck, or he could
have shot himself. Well, this is

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true too, and I'm not trying
to be ugly. Take yourself out.

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You didn't have to hit hurt.
He really wanted to do that, which

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I don't think he really wanted to
do that, because when it comes down

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to it, he could let the
cops take him out. But he did

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everything he was to post to do, right, you know, right,

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And part of me always wondered,
like when they were going after him,

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you know, okay, is he
going to kill umself along the way?

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Are they gonna you know, what
is he going to do, you know,

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and it sounds crazy, but regardless
of what he did, I don't

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wish death on him. And I
literally told him that, you know,

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oh wait, talk you talked,
You spoke to him in court. I'm

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talking about in court. Yeah,
I know, I'm jumping the gun.

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That's okay, Yeah, hey go
there. I mean this is the way

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it is. So so when you
saw him in court, you had a

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chance to speak at the very end. Yes, all right, so this

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is our impact statement. So he
took a plea deal. We can jump

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forward. That's fine. So he
took a plea deal, like I mentioned

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at the end of the last episode, which I just closed it out like

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a few minutes before you got here, all right, And I told him

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that he took a plea deal.
He avoided the death penalty. And my

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my statement in my episode was that
in a way it was beneficial to you

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and as a family, because if
not, then we're looking at constant hang

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up because of his mental illness,
right, documented mental problems that he wouldn't

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have been executed anyway, which is
a bit stuck in litigation. And that's

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the hand they would a fan with
all the For the rest of my life,

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his life, our lives, whatever, and it would have never ended,

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right, right, So how was
that posed to you? So I

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want people to know as a victim, how was that? How did it

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come to be? The plea deal? Did they call y'all in? They

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did? They did, We already
you know, with each coortinate and of

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course everything got pushed back because of
COVID, and then he had to be

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evaluated. First it was by two
doctors, then it was by three,

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and they all had their agree and
blah blah blah, you know, and

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it drove us crazy, but it's
the process we had to go through to

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get to where we needed to be. So they did, you know,

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inform us that that's probably what they
were going to be doing. So they

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did, they you know, kind
of talked to us individually, gave us

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a heads up, and then they
let us all come in, me Evelyn

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Christy, which Evelyn is Billy's mom. Christy is Billy's sister. So we

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all went in and sat down with
the DA and you know, they and

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this is what we're gonna do.
When we said, well, you know

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already kind of talked about it and
we all agreed, you know, for

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this to be over as long as
he can't get out ever, we're good.

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Let him sit and rot. Okay, good, So, ma'am.

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So y'all were on board, Yes, and you understood that you kind of

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had to be on board in this
right way. But I think it was

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the best decision too. And had
it been to against one, it still

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would have been majority roles. So
if one of us were to say,

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no, we want to go to
trial. But to go to trial,

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we had to sit and listen to
all that, and to listen to them

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defend him as to why he did
what he did and victim blame right,

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and you never know right, you
know, they could have tried to blame

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your kids or try to blame whatever. And he claimed that Billy was raping

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him, and sure, sure,
yeah, And here you are the ex

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wife where you could sit here if
you wanted to and bash him. You're

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the ex wife. I mean hello, and you you've never said an ugly

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thing to me about Billy, not
one time. And I'm telling you,

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We've had many conversations and to me
that spoke, you know, But I

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mean, I know divorced people they
would look for the opportunity to bash their

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X. Yeah, no. I
mean he loved he loved his kids,

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you know. Yeah, and you
know, the whole every other weekend,

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it didn't matter for his weekend,
his weekend or not. You know,

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we always came together and agreed.
You know. If he said, hey,

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I got something going on this weekend, I know it's not my weekend.

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Can I get up? I never
said, oh no, you know,

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so if they chose to go,
And that's just like Tanner and Hunter.

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That weekend they have some kind of
conference at church, and Tanner had

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talked about going to church, and
then that Thursday, I mean I asked

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Tanner for days up until, you
know, and he was going to go

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to church, and he said,
now I'm gonna go. I'm I going

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to go to dance, you know. And I asked him again that Thursday,

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and I asked him again that Friday
before he actually left, you know,

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and he said, no, I'm
gonna go on and go to Dad

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does does Hunt in this? We're
going all over the place. But it's

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our interview. We can do what
we can do what we want. But

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Hunter, he chose not to go. How is that? Do you do

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you mind? Yeah? How was
that? Of course? You know survivors

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guilt, you know. And I've
had to tell him from the beginning.

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Had you went, you would be
dead too. He would have killed you

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too. There's nothing any of them
could have done to stop it. They

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didn't get a chance. They didn't
have a choice, you know. And

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of course you know he took out
Billy first because Billy was his biggest threat,

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correct, you know, and conveniently
when Billy was just resting looking at

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a TV, right, so convenient. Tell me that's not planning, you

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know what I mean, Honestly,
I do, sitting back and looking and

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after hearing stuff that I you know, of course, we didn't know any

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of the extra details. You know. We had heard about him, you

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know, being previously married, We
heard about him, you know, being

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in the military. We heard about
him, you know, beating the ex

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wife and stuff like that. But
I I mean the actual other details we

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never heard, you know. And
going back to Kim, the ex wife,

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you know. And I mean I
told you that, you know,

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I wanted because I know you had
talked to her. I mean, you

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had kind of mentioned about her.
Because my goal was to not have you

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feel in any bad way towards her
or you know, This is sticky.

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You know, it's hard when there's
a lot of players involved. And I

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didn't want to make anybody upset with
anybody else because I was asking questions.

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And that's why I want to make
sure she understands too, that there's nothing

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she could have done to stopped this. Had she went and picked him mop,

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he would have killed her too.
That could have been here instead of

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Summer. And I don't I don't
wish death on anybody. I wouldn't have

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wished that on her or her family
or anything. You know, it could

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have went the other way, right, you know, So you do think

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he was a ticking time bomb regardless, Yes, and your kids just paid

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the price, I think, yeah. Wow, definitely. Do you have

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any anger towards his parents? No, because I mean none of us are

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perfect. Yes, you know there
were probably some issues there with the family

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function, you know, however you
want to call it, you know,

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but I mean they didn't do it
right. I mean, I understand he

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had issues, you know, and
maybe they could have done something when he

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was younger, but who's to say
you know that that would have helped.

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And then once your children reach a
certain age, you know, you can't

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make them once they reach eighteen.
You can't make them take their medicine.

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You can't make them go to therapy, you can't make them do this,

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can't make them do So who's to
say if he wouldn't got the help,

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that he would have did what he
needed to do anyway, you know,

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has anyone in his family reached out
to your family? I don't know if

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there's anyone to reach out. I
mean, we'd heard he had a one

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brother. We didn't know about the
rest of the brothers. I just found

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that through records, so I don't
you know there were supposedly three other siblings.

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And see that's more than we knew. And we heard we heard he

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had one and something about the military. That's all we'd heard. Right.

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Would you want to speak to anyone
in his family? Is it kind of

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irrelevant at this point they did,
you know, I mean outside of talking,

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just let them know luck, you
know, I mean, if they

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feel like they're to blame, hey, you're not to blame. You can't

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control what another grown person does,
because it balls down to he made that

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decision regardless, you know, and
obviously it was something he wanted to do.

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For him to do what he did
to Billy Summer and tender and then

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drive all the way well, and
he stole the gun first, So that

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tells me you planned that, you
had something up your sleeve from the beginning,

411
00:26:33.119 --> 00:26:36.119
right, Yeah, you plan that, And to the very people that

412
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:41.240
open their home to you, I
just cannot. So I read in a

413
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:45.799
report. I did not actually speak
on this during my recordings, so only

414
00:26:45.799 --> 00:26:49.279
my patron members are going to really
hear this. But there was a reck

415
00:26:49.359 --> 00:26:55.839
a report in there that Casey,
the wife of Billy, knew that Dakota

416
00:26:55.960 --> 00:27:00.119
had the gun because she saw him
with it and then he put his fingers

417
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:06.839
up over his mouth like sh and
according to her report, she told him,

418
00:27:06.920 --> 00:27:08.920
don't get the gun back out right, What did you know? The

419
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.319
story to us that was, of
course, you know, and it's all

420
00:27:12.400 --> 00:27:15.359
he said, she said, And
you never know what's what? You know?

421
00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:19.519
You're just hearing because da is only
telling us so much because they can't

422
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:22.119
tell us anything because we're in the
middle of, you know, trial.

423
00:27:22.440 --> 00:27:26.599
They didn't want him getting away on
their technicality, they didn't want anything getting

424
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.839
out. So we had heard that
it was actually Heaven that saw it and

425
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:33.599
he told to Heaven, don't tell
anyone. That's what we were told,

426
00:27:34.440 --> 00:27:40.720
so didn't know that that was Casey. We thought it was heaven. And

427
00:27:40.759 --> 00:27:48.039
then talking to my ex sister in
law, Jonathan's wife, which Jonathan's Billy's

428
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:52.640
brother, you know, it come
to be that she was told through a

429
00:27:52.640 --> 00:27:59.160
coworker of Billings that Billy had found
out about the gun m h. And

430
00:27:59.200 --> 00:28:03.880
when he found out, he was
livid. So he I think in his

431
00:28:03.039 --> 00:28:07.759
mind he was trying to protect his
family or he knew something might happen.

432
00:28:08.559 --> 00:28:12.160
They were off that Monday because it
was Martin Luther King. He went to

433
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:15.759
work that Tuesday. That's when he
pitched a fit and was talking about Dakoda

434
00:28:15.799 --> 00:28:18.440
and the gun. He stayed home
that Wednesday and Thursday, and they were

435
00:28:18.480 --> 00:28:25.039
always off on Fridays and then on
Saturday morning they were killed. So yeah,

436
00:28:25.160 --> 00:28:26.519
I agree. I mean I never
met Billy a day in my life,

437
00:28:26.519 --> 00:28:30.160
but just knowing what I know about
him, I think he was trying

438
00:28:30.200 --> 00:28:33.319
to be diplomatic about it, but
you got to go. Yeah, right,

439
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:37.440
And we heard that he spoke to
Jonathan, his brother, and was

440
00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.400
like, I need help. He
did. He called Jonathan and he said,

441
00:28:41.559 --> 00:28:42.880
you know, I don't know what's
going on with Dakota, and he's

442
00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:48.440
winking out something's wrong with him.
You know, he's going from talking and

443
00:28:48.519 --> 00:28:51.920
laughing to crying to just sitting there. You know. He was like he's

444
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.519
all over the place, you know. And Johnthan's like, you need to

445
00:28:53.519 --> 00:29:00.079
get him out of your house now. Yeah. And Casey's cousin called me

446
00:29:00.279 --> 00:29:03.960
that Saturday when he found out about
Billy and the kids. He called me

447
00:29:03.039 --> 00:29:08.519
on Facebook and he was so he
was so upset. He loved Billy and

448
00:29:08.559 --> 00:29:14.440
the kids. He loved my kids. And he said, Billy just in

449
00:29:14.559 --> 00:29:18.240
his living room days before told him
that Dakota had till Saturday to get out,

450
00:29:18.519 --> 00:29:21.920
and so he finally was like,
you're getting out. And I think

451
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:25.240
that's which happened makes sense right of
why they were both up early on a

452
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:29.799
Saturday, and why Billy was dressed
right and like his even had his work

453
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:33.440
looked like his workds. Yeah,
he lived in those I wonder if it

454
00:29:33.559 --> 00:29:37.200
had gotten down to the nutcutting of
him saying all right, let's get your

455
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:41.039
stuff, you gotta go, and
he said nope, And won't never know

456
00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.640
what really happened and how it all
happened. If you know what was said

457
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:49.079
was said because you know we heard
that. You know, it was said

458
00:29:49.119 --> 00:29:52.640
that everything was normal that morning,
And I'm just trying to think, how

459
00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:56.519
can you go from everything was normal
so you just decide, Okay, this

460
00:29:56.559 --> 00:30:00.559
is what I'm gonna do, and
you just go shoot everybody. So I

461
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:03.599
think he might have just he might
he planned it and he just figured,

462
00:30:03.640 --> 00:30:06.799
Okay, I'm just gonna play it
cool and I'm just gonna, you know,

463
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:10.079
time it out, and this is
what I'm doing, right, And

464
00:30:10.119 --> 00:30:14.799
then drove to kill the parents,
and then to grandma's house, I supposedly

465
00:30:14.839 --> 00:30:18.000
just to go say he loved her, right, I'm sure right, And

466
00:30:18.039 --> 00:30:19.640
that makes me wonder if he was
actually gonna kill the grandmother too. I

467
00:30:19.680 --> 00:30:22.839
mean, that's always been in our
mind. I think he was here the

468
00:30:22.839 --> 00:30:25.039
gun in his hand when he pulled
up, right, I think he would

469
00:30:25.079 --> 00:30:26.759
have told her the same thing he
did his mom. Oh, I love

470
00:30:26.799 --> 00:30:30.319
you, you know right. It's
insane. Yeah, that's insane. Absolutely

471
00:30:32.079 --> 00:30:38.240
So. Do you ever wonder why
your kids didn't make it and the other

472
00:30:38.279 --> 00:30:41.319
two did or do you think it
just is what it is? That they

473
00:30:41.359 --> 00:30:45.400
were young? Yeah, I mean, and that boils down to you know,

474
00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:49.200
once again, and this is just
me and the way I feel,

475
00:30:49.240 --> 00:30:52.359
but I don't. I wouldn't have
wished death on them babies either, right,

476
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:56.640
you know. And for him to
say, oh, they were too

477
00:30:56.680 --> 00:31:00.880
young to know any different, Okay, So you're just gonna go randomly shooed

478
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:03.599
adult people just because you think they
know better. Yeah, you know,

479
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:07.480
no, and you're not that crazy
if you can figure that out, right,

480
00:31:07.519 --> 00:31:11.640
if you know the difference ontween and
once again that I'm not saying,

481
00:31:11.680 --> 00:31:15.319
oh, you should have killed the
babies too, No, but once again,

482
00:31:15.359 --> 00:31:18.000
you could have chose to do something
differently, right, And I'm still

483
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.279
going to go back to that you
could have killed yourself. I know it

484
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:25.079
sounds ugly, but if it's that, if you're that, yeah, take

485
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:26.519
yourself out, and like why you
got to go hurt other people? And

486
00:31:26.519 --> 00:31:32.200
it's some people too. So let
me talk about this too, because I

487
00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.680
had people ask me this, you
know, and I know the answer partially,

488
00:31:34.720 --> 00:31:38.440
but I want to get you to
expand on this. So you had

489
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:45.359
to plan two funerals and you also
cared about Billy, right, and so

490
00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:48.079
how did that? How does that
work? What was the plan? So

491
00:31:49.920 --> 00:31:56.480
you know you never plan to burying
one child much less, too much less

492
00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:00.519
at the same time. So I
actually had a woman, a friend of

493
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:02.920
mine that I've known for quite a
few years, and she asked me,

494
00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:07.960
could she prean to go fund me? And I was like, if that's

495
00:32:07.000 --> 00:32:12.640
what you want to do, that's
fine. And of course this was nationwide

496
00:32:13.119 --> 00:32:16.039
news, like you said, CNN, and and for me to see it,

497
00:32:16.119 --> 00:32:19.319
I'm seeing in I was like,
oh my god, you know,

498
00:32:19.920 --> 00:32:24.079
this is big harness. Once again, the one of the hardest things I've

499
00:32:24.079 --> 00:32:32.680
ever had to do. And Casey
had talked about having billis services in Gonzales,

500
00:32:34.839 --> 00:32:37.119
which is a parish that kind of
neighbors the parish we're in, right

501
00:32:37.160 --> 00:32:40.839
and that's you know, that's where
he worked and that's where most of his

502
00:32:42.079 --> 00:32:45.119
friends were. So I'm assuming that's
why she would have chose there. But

503
00:32:45.319 --> 00:32:51.039
I asked her, for the sake
of honor the son, your son,

504
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:54.079
if we could put them together,
you know, and just do one big

505
00:32:54.119 --> 00:32:58.640
one and you know, everybody could
come whatever. How old was Haunter.

506
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.039
So Hunter was sixteen at the time. So this sixteen year old boy has

507
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:05.920
to walk into a funeral home with
a brother, a sister, and a

508
00:33:05.960 --> 00:33:09.839
father. I mean not to take
away from you as the mother. I'm

509
00:33:09.920 --> 00:33:16.079
just my god, he's a kid. Literally did he how did he do?

510
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:22.559
So? He kept it together?
Oh wait real quick? So she

511
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:27.160
did not go to Gonzales and Green? Yeah, when he sat down and

512
00:33:27.720 --> 00:33:30.200
for two weeks, you know,
we went back and forth to the funeral

513
00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:37.200
home. You know, got with
Cat about the flowers and you know,

514
00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:44.119
arrangements and everything and how we were
doing everything. And you know I had

515
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.000
billion the middle summer on one signed
teneral the other, you know, and

516
00:33:47.039 --> 00:33:52.640
we had everything and we did all
one service. Well, I mean,

517
00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.359
I know you probably cannot put into
him, you can't quantify it, but

518
00:33:57.720 --> 00:34:00.279
what what is the thought when it
was too much? When you walk in

519
00:34:00.519 --> 00:34:07.000
that you just can't process it.
You you just you shut off. It's

520
00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:09.840
like everything was like almost everything just
like a robot. And I'm still once

521
00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:15.000
again like that to this day,
like part of us here, part of

522
00:34:15.119 --> 00:34:17.800
use, you know, out of
body. It's almost like it's somebody else.

523
00:34:17.840 --> 00:34:24.239
And everything was just like you're on
autopilot, you know literally, And

524
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:32.639
so so y'all had the services?
Did y'all have to Someone asked me this,

525
00:34:32.719 --> 00:34:37.119
it's probably very horrible. I'm about
to ask this, but someone had

526
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:39.800
asked me were they able to have
open They did, and I thank God

527
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:45.559
for that because I mean, just
keeping it real. Had he used any

528
00:34:45.599 --> 00:34:47.840
other gun, had he used a
bigger gun because of working something right,

529
00:34:49.280 --> 00:34:52.320
we would not have had an open
casket, got it. So y'all got

530
00:34:52.360 --> 00:34:53.719
to say, you guys, yes, I was able to look at my

531
00:34:53.800 --> 00:35:01.199
children one lifetime right. And so
you had told me too in another we

532
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:10.519
were talking and you said her jewelry
choice. Yes, you know, I

533
00:35:10.559 --> 00:35:15.920
buried my children like they lived,
and you know I wanted them to be

534
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:21.239
remembered how they lived. And so
somemmer always had. Uh. My sister

535
00:35:21.280 --> 00:35:23.400
in law, my brother's wife,
had given they had given her a ring

536
00:35:23.440 --> 00:35:28.159
I think for her birthday or for
Christmas was her birth home, so I

537
00:35:28.239 --> 00:35:31.960
made sure she had that on Sean
had given her a ring, which Saun

538
00:35:32.079 --> 00:35:35.440
was that ex boyfriend at the time
they were together. He had gotten her,

539
00:35:35.480 --> 00:35:37.840
but not an engagement ring, just
like just a just a ring.

540
00:35:38.239 --> 00:35:42.119
He had given her a ring.
And then she had a necklace that she

541
00:35:42.159 --> 00:35:45.639
always wore. And I he may
have given her the necklace too, I

542
00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.880
just know she always wore. So
when I got her stuff from her dad's

543
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.840
house. I went through her jewelry
and picked out what I knew she always

544
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:58.559
wore, and I made sure that
she had it. And then, you

545
00:35:58.599 --> 00:36:02.840
know, poor Tanner he found out
literally a month before that he had to

546
00:36:02.880 --> 00:36:07.559
have glasses. And I'm smiling in
the video if you're watching right now,

547
00:36:07.599 --> 00:36:09.719
because this little turkey, this little
boy, I'm telling you, Tanner,

548
00:36:09.920 --> 00:36:15.599
just I love that boy. He
so literally you know, it would have

549
00:36:15.599 --> 00:36:20.119
been a month Monday. He was
actually due front an I check up the

550
00:36:20.199 --> 00:36:22.679
Monday, but they were killed on
the Saturday, so I had to call

551
00:36:22.760 --> 00:36:25.639
Monday morning and tell them he wasn't
gonna make his eye appointment because he was

552
00:36:25.679 --> 00:36:31.199
deceased. But when he got them
glasses, they were only reading glasses.

553
00:36:31.239 --> 00:36:37.039
He only needed them for class to
read or to see. But when I'm

554
00:36:37.039 --> 00:36:39.360
telling you, he wore them twenty
four to seven except to take a shower

555
00:36:39.440 --> 00:36:43.079
and go to bed. That was
it. You said you couldn't tell me

556
00:36:43.599 --> 00:36:46.519
he thought he looked good day Bay
when he thought he was buddy, Holly,

557
00:36:46.679 --> 00:36:52.760
you I'm telling you. In fact, the lion's picture that I took

558
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:57.159
of him was at the dentist office. We were waiting. I think on

559
00:36:57.159 --> 00:37:00.840
on Hounter maybe r Hounter and Dan
one of them. And Tanner was wearing

560
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:05.280
his glasses. Is that the picture
of him laid back? You had sent

561
00:37:05.320 --> 00:37:07.400
me a picture he's in a chair. No. Yeah, yeah, he's

562
00:37:07.440 --> 00:37:10.440
sitting chair with the blue hoodie on
and he's got his glasses on. I'm

563
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:14.320
look, I'm gonna go find it. I'll post it in my Patriots so

564
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:17.159
people can see it. But that
was that was the actual last picture and

565
00:37:17.880 --> 00:37:22.199
that I took. But he just
thought he was hot stuff within glass and

566
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:25.320
he thought he was the coolest thing. Well he was. He was looking

567
00:37:25.360 --> 00:37:30.920
good with them glasses on, he
thought he was. And the hair too,

568
00:37:30.960 --> 00:37:35.679
he has the hair going on.
But yeah, So do you have

569
00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:40.599
you joined any type of groups or
anything. I have not. I've actually

570
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:45.480
talked to why I had talked to
you with one of the groups I think

571
00:37:45.639 --> 00:37:50.000
you had sent me. Yes.
So my so my mother in law,

572
00:37:50.079 --> 00:37:53.119
she's deceased now, but she my
he would have been my brother in law.

573
00:37:53.199 --> 00:37:59.559
So my husband's brother was killed and
one of our mutual friends his brother

574
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:04.679
was and so they had a group
they went to called Compassionate Friends, where

575
00:38:04.679 --> 00:38:08.079
it was mothers basically of children that
had been killed, and I had mentioned

576
00:38:08.119 --> 00:38:12.679
that to you, if you you
know, I haven't actually joined. It's

577
00:38:12.679 --> 00:38:17.159
something that I've thought about and you
know, and I'm gonna get on my

578
00:38:17.360 --> 00:38:20.800
You can call it by Jesus kick
if you want to. It's just the

579
00:38:20.840 --> 00:38:23.639
way I feel. It's the way
I cope, you know. And I

580
00:38:23.679 --> 00:38:27.679
once again, if I didn't believe
what I believe, I wouldn't be here.

581
00:38:29.159 --> 00:38:31.559
But God does. Yeah, you
know, God's real. The Devil's

582
00:38:31.599 --> 00:38:36.760
real. But I believe that God
turns strategy, tragedy into triumph. And

583
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.719
I think certain things happened for a
reason, and I think what has happened

584
00:38:42.760 --> 00:38:46.000
and for me, because this is
what I feel, that that it's for

585
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:50.880
me to go and help other people, other parents who have lost their children,

586
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:53.320
to say, hey, you know, we can get through this.

587
00:38:54.199 --> 00:38:58.400
You can do it. Hey,
an ounce of prevention too is worth a

588
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.599
lot. And so I know when
I go to about right now. But

589
00:39:00.639 --> 00:39:02.639
you and I have spoken on some
things that we might work on together to

590
00:39:02.719 --> 00:39:06.400
try to help other people in the
future, you know, And that's something

591
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:12.719
too. You know, you never
can you never can measure, You never

592
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:15.480
can measure if you've saved somebody's life, because it never happened, you know

593
00:39:15.519 --> 00:39:19.440
what I mean, And so you
got to believe just because you don't see

594
00:39:19.519 --> 00:39:22.480
numbers doesn't mean that what you're sharing
right now might not be helping another parent

595
00:39:22.519 --> 00:39:28.159
who you know has had to our
will and sadly one day have to deal

596
00:39:28.199 --> 00:39:32.039
with it. And even if this
leads to hopefully something with more mental health,

597
00:39:32.280 --> 00:39:37.679
you know, yeah, because obviously
I would like to think that if

598
00:39:37.719 --> 00:39:40.719
maybe things were different, my children
would still be here. So there's some

599
00:39:42.039 --> 00:39:47.079
form of you know, reform for
mental health or something you know, yeah,

600
00:39:47.159 --> 00:39:52.039
that can help future. Right,
And this happened once, This won't

601
00:39:52.079 --> 00:39:54.119
happen again, and it'll be somebody
else and somebody else's children, right,

602
00:39:54.239 --> 00:39:58.199
somebody else you know will kill their
parents, or their parents might kill the

603
00:39:58.280 --> 00:40:00.480
child or whatever, you know,
right, And so something's got to be

604
00:40:00.519 --> 00:40:04.320
done. We've got to figure something
out. And is it a mix of

605
00:40:04.320 --> 00:40:07.840
the criminal justice system and mental health
laws or how do we do it?

606
00:40:07.880 --> 00:40:10.480
But we know that we need it, and I think most people would agree,

607
00:40:10.559 --> 00:40:14.159
yeah, you know which or something
like this, Yeah, because this

608
00:40:14.280 --> 00:40:17.239
is beyond and then it doesn't just
happen in the beity. It happens in

609
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:22.280
small Towns in Country Bumpkin, Denim
Springs, USA. Right, I'm like,

610
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:24.400
what's going on in Walker? You
know? Walker? Really? But

611
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:30.079
yeah, it happens so and I
guess i'll kind of was there anything you

612
00:40:30.119 --> 00:40:32.639
wanted to add before I go on
my last question that maybe you wanted to

613
00:40:34.559 --> 00:40:37.239
all right, So my last question
is forgiveness. And let me say this

614
00:40:37.320 --> 00:40:43.159
though I am not sitting here saying
I would be able to forgive anybody,

615
00:40:43.320 --> 00:40:45.719
because I don't think I would.
I'm not big enough. I just don't.

616
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:53.119
Has forgiveness crossed your mind at all? Or is it so? And

617
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:59.800
this was all part of my victim
impact statement, you know, because going

618
00:40:59.840 --> 00:41:04.119
to court all them times before,
you know, he was just sitting there

619
00:41:04.199 --> 00:41:07.000
like a bump on a log like
he was, you know, he wouldn't

620
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:09.239
look and he just looked like,
you know whatever, like he could care

621
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:14.000
less. And I don't know maybe
if it was because of the medication or

622
00:41:14.039 --> 00:41:20.320
because of he was actually facing life
that he actually looked at us, and

623
00:41:20.360 --> 00:41:22.840
I was able to look at him, you know, and I told him

624
00:41:22.920 --> 00:41:28.079
I forgive you. I have to
forgive him, you know. If if

625
00:41:28.119 --> 00:41:30.199
I say I believe in God and
my children are in Heaven. If I

626
00:41:30.239 --> 00:41:34.840
want to get there, you know, I have to forgive him. You

627
00:41:34.880 --> 00:41:37.760
know, who wouldn't want to see
their children again, you know, So

628
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:42.719
for me, I have to forgive
me. And I know that I don't

629
00:41:42.840 --> 00:41:47.239
have to, I mean, but
that's the process. And I'm okay with

630
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:52.519
forgiving him. I forgave him,
and I'm good, you know. And

631
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:53.840
I literally looked at him, you
know, and I told him, my

632
00:41:53.840 --> 00:41:58.639
eye feel sorry for you. And
I know that sounds crazy, but I

633
00:41:58.719 --> 00:42:01.519
mean, you know, you felt
that you had to kill everybody. You

634
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:06.719
had to kill your parents because you
had nothing else. You know, you

635
00:42:06.760 --> 00:42:12.039
couldn't do anything else, you know, and I don't know. You know,

636
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.360
we all make choices. And like
I told him, you know,

637
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:17.840
Summer will never get married, Tanner
will never graduate high school. Tenner will

638
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:22.159
never get married, they'll never have
grandchildren. You know, they never got

639
00:42:22.159 --> 00:42:23.800
to buy their first car. Tanner
never got to get a driver's license.

640
00:42:24.239 --> 00:42:29.960
You know, all those Truvor just
got married last year, and my children

641
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:32.119
should have been there, right,
you know, Tanna and Trevor were close.

642
00:42:32.639 --> 00:42:36.280
You know, Tanner probably would have
even been one of his best men,

643
00:42:36.800 --> 00:42:38.639
but he didn't get that chance.
You know, and like I told

644
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:43.199
the cod and you know you've thrown
your life away too. You're gonna sit

645
00:42:43.280 --> 00:42:47.280
and rod. You won't get no
first whatever, You get nothing after this.

646
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:52.719
So you know, not only did
I lose my children lost, their

647
00:42:52.800 --> 00:42:57.559
dad lost, but you know he's
lost two. But he did it to

648
00:42:57.599 --> 00:43:00.159
hisself and he did it to everybody
else. A thousand chances to make different

649
00:43:00.159 --> 00:43:06.159
decisions of a billion, thousand different
times and didn't do it. So that's

650
00:43:06.199 --> 00:43:08.920
a lesson right there too. If
you don't change your ways, you get

651
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:14.280
what you get what you give.
Yeah, well, I wanted to tell

652
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:17.880
you thank you for coming in and
talking to me about your most prized possessions.

653
00:43:17.960 --> 00:43:22.239
You know, your children, I
think, and to open up to

654
00:43:22.400 --> 00:43:29.320
share, to allow me to say
their story. I just appreciate that,

655
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:32.679
you know, because you didn't have
to do that, and I appreciate it

656
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:37.119
as a parent. You know,
whose children are no longer here. You

657
00:43:37.159 --> 00:43:40.159
want their story told. You want
them to be remembered, And I don't

658
00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.960
want them to be remembered how they
died. I want them to be remembered

659
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:49.800
how they lived. You know,
goofy, silly funny, you know loving.

660
00:43:50.800 --> 00:43:54.039
I mean, you've seen the pictures
in the videos, and Summer was

661
00:43:54.119 --> 00:43:58.000
older, so she had moved out, so I didn't have a lot of

662
00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:02.159
the videos of her cutting and making
silly faces. You know, I have

663
00:44:02.239 --> 00:44:07.679
a few, you know, but
she was the same, she was the

664
00:44:07.719 --> 00:44:10.039
thing. Well, we love them. I love them. I'm telling you,

665
00:44:10.079 --> 00:44:13.679
I've never been of a day in
my life, but that Tanner just

666
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.280
tickles me. I just cannot even. And then, sweet sweet Summer,

667
00:44:16.559 --> 00:44:21.039
you know, well, thank you
so so much. And if you ever

668
00:44:21.079 --> 00:44:24.519
need anything, you know, we're
friends for life now and Patroon members.

669
00:44:24.559 --> 00:44:28.079
If there's any questions you have,
you're welcome to reach out. Let me,

670
00:44:28.199 --> 00:44:30.280
let me know and we'll ask him, we'll answer. Will you have

671
00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:52.519
a great weekend and until next time, take care, Bye Bye. Warning

672
00:44:52.880 --> 00:44:58.119
unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

673
00:44:58.119 --> 00:45:00.599
not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised.