Cold and Calculated | The Murder of Mary Malone

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
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me and Patreon, then it's going
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Some people didn't even put an address, so I can't ship anything to

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you've done that so that I can
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your part. But let me give
you some shout outs too before I get

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started on this episode. And this
lady is Miss Dana Green, all the

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way from Liberty Hill, Texas.
How are you doing, Miss Dana?

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Thank you so much for being a
listener. I really appreciate having you all

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the way from Texas, and everyone
knows my sister lives there, so I

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like Texas. I think I say
it every single time someone uh someone joins

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from Texas. So hey, miss
Dana, thank you. And Mary Wheat

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if this is not the ultimate compliment
Miss Mary. I know miss Mary because

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she is the mother of a friend
of mine that I used to work with

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and she joined she's she's in Walker, Louisiana, and I am so tickled

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because, wow, you know someone
who knows you is willing to sign up

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and support you when she hears my
mouth run anyway just in everyday life.

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She could hear me talk. But
thank you so much, Miss Mary.

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Tell mister Buck and y'all, yes, her husband's real name is Buckwheat and

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I think that is precious. But
anyway, tell mister Bucke said, hey,

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thank you so much for joining.
It means the world to me.

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I've got Cameron Gillory from Denim Springs
and I think I taught Cameron I'm making

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I'm pretty sure this is the same
one, and again the ultimate compliment a

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former student wants to still listen to
their teachers speak from high school. What's

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up with that? So thank you
Cameron, Hey girl, I hope you're

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doing well. And last but not
least is Emily Salimi from Port Allen,

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Louisiana. Right across the river.
Right you go across the bridge and Port

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Allen's right there, Emily. I
hope I said you your last name,

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right, Salimi? SALIMMI Salimi?
I don't know you tell me message me

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and let me know if I just
totally destroy that. But thank y'all so

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much. Again. Your support is
what makes this podcast go round, and

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I know I literally wouldn't be able
to do it without your support. So

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thank you so much. Now this
case that I'm going to jump in today

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again, this is another Louisiana case, and it's going to take place in

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Bojier Parish, Louisiana, which just
geographically speaking, is going to be the

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northwestern part of Louisiana. And statistically, if you go look, it's an

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older population in that area, so
roughly seventy percent of the parish is going

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to be white residents, and most
people own their homes with an average cost

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of about two hundred thousand dollars.
So to kind of give you a picture

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of what it's like there, I
thought i'd give you just a little bit

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of that stat information. And ninety
percent of the population has a high school

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diploma or higher, So I was
pretty impressed by that as a teacher.

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A good job, y'all. They're
getting their high school diplomas. So I

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guess too, if you were looking
at the people and looking at the culture

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of the area, it would absolutely
reflect that Cajun culture that you often think

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of whenever you're thinking of the South. And Bosier City is the largest community

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in Louisiana, so it was a
like a cotton exporting you know, river

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landing eventually turned into an oil boom
town and now it's known for its not

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only its tourism, but it's casinos, so you can get down there and

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make you some money. Speaking of
making some money, I just have to

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say this real quick. Thank you, Jaden Daniels, LSU Heisman Trophy winner.

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Thank you so much. I'm not
going to say any more than that,

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but you, my friend, benefited
my family. So thank you for

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winning. We're proud of you.
I'm rocking the LSU sweatshirt right now if

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you're watching me podcast. But crime
isn't necessarily a huge factor in people's minds

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whenever they live in Boser Parish.
But you know, as every town does,

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it has its good, it has
its bad. Matter of fact,

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I saw a few days ago that
there was an investigation going on at the

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Bowser CVS drug store chain that the
DEA would not confirm nor deny. But

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that said, the data nerd in
me did some searching and found that their

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violent crime rate is actually one of
the highest in the nation across communities of

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all sizes, both small and large, And I thought that was kind of

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interesting because it's an older population and
it's still got one of the highest crime

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rates, and so that kind of
lends itself to what is going to go

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on in this story. For a
little perspective, Bojer City has one of

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the highest rates of motor vehicle thefts
in the nation according to the FBI,

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meaning your chances of getting your car
stolen if you visit there is one in

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two hundred and forty three. Like
what, you're gonna go to the casino,

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you better look out amongst that parking
lot, count the cars because you

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might get your car stolen while you're
there. Hopefully you'll win you some money.

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But this is exactly what was on
the mind of Bojer Parish Sheriff's Deputy

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Jimmy Crean on December eighteenth, two
thousand, so at approximately ten forty five

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pm, he was out on a
routine patrol and his vehicles headed west in

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Louisiana Highway one sixty. And it
will do your average evening shift, if

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ever there was such a thing.
I know police officers probably wouldn't be saying

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that, because as soon as you
say, man, it's quiet or ain't

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much going on, one boom,
that's when things happen. Right. Well,

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the temperature that night was actually really
cold for Louisiana, and the steam

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from the cars was readily seen as
the cars were passing one another in the

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night. To be exact, the
temperature was hovering around the mid twenties,

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and it was understandable that cars would
want to take their time on the roads

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because ice was forming on the raised
bridges and the water in the ditches along

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the roads was even freezing. So
it was pretty cool for what we're used

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to down here. Now, every
officer knows that ice and roads in the

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South is a bad mix. We
can't drive in anything but rain y'all.

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That's a fact, that is a
true story. Snow, get out of

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here. We ain't doing it.
We will cancel school for such craziness.

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Now, hurricanes are floods. We're
riding on through, no problem. We'll

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get in our jacked up trucks and
we'll get where we need to be.

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But cold weather and ice, Nope, we're going to jack that up.

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But these icy road conditions made for
what would likely be a busy night of

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crashes if people weren't careful and they
weren't paying attention to the road. No

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officer wants to get out in the
sleeping cold anyway to handle business when they

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could be nice and warm and comfy
in their patrol car. Driving around drinking

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their coffee. Right. This is
unfortunately the issue to be realized by Deputy

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Crean on that cold December evening when
he observed an eastbound vehicle veer off the

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road. And while you can never
be certain from afar, Deputy Crean definitely

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thought he knew who owned the vehicle, as he had seen it before,

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and he knew that the woman who
drove it was named Mary Malone. Now

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a little bit about Mary Malone.
She was sixty two years old and she

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was a lifelong resident of Plain Dealing, Louisiana, And from everything I found

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about her, she was a god
fearing woman and a faithful member of the

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Plain Dealing Baptist Church. She did
still work too, even though she was

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in her sixty She worked as a
clerk in the walk her drug store pharmacy,

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which was located also in Plain Dealing, and she was a very dedicated

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woman to her job. She had
been an employee for over thirty years,

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and I think that says a lot
about a person that when they sticked with

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one job for over thirty years,
that's a pretty dedicated person to what they're

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doing. And she had found love
and made a life with her husband.

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His name was Vernon Malone, and
together they had three children. She had

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a daughter named Gayla, and she
had two sons, and their names were

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Brett and Lane respectively. Sadly,
though, mister Vernon passed away in nineteen

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eighty eight. And while Mary may
have been kind and soft, she was

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also a tough woman because she powered
through that loss and she would later become

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the proud grandmother of multiple grandchildren.
And she was just described as an all

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around kind woman. This was a
good lady, and she was living now

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a relatively quiet lope life and everything
you would expect from a Southern grandma.

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So, considering it was cold and
late, when you know, her car

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had veered off the road, Deputy
Green decided to offer his assistance to her,

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and so he pulled his vehicle behind
and the door of her vehicle opened,

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and as you can imagine, Deputy
Green was a bit surprised when the

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person who emerged from the vehicle wasn't
Miss Mary. No big deal though,

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right, I mean, maybe she
had loaned the vehicle to somebody, or

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maybe it was one of her sons
and they had got into an accident.

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I mean, there's a million explanations
as to why her car would have had

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someone else stepping out of it.
So he got out and he goes to

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approach the person, and he would
identify this person as Jeremiah Manning. So,

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doing what officers you know, do, he decided that he was going

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to run a computerized check on the
car's license plate and he was quickly able

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to confirm it was in fact Miss
Mary's car. But there were no red

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flags and no one had reported it
stolen, and there was nobody like no

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Bolo be on the lookout for.
There was nothing to indicate that there was

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an issue at hand. Whenever he
found this man with the car, there

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was just one thing that seemed odd
to the deputy. And you know if

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you've ever you know, known a
deputy, or you know, lived with

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with someone who is a police officer
or been related to them, they'll tell

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you this that you get after a
while, a gut instinct to things that

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just seem off. Now, in
a court of law, it's not enough.

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You can't you can't go and say
well, I just felt it in

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my gut, because that I mean, how do you measure that right?

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How do you put that into words? For why you did what you did,

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But this deputy said, there was
just something odd about the fact that

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miss Mary wasn't in the car.
He really felt like she would have you

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know, maybe if someone would have
been with her, she would have gone

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with them and let them drive the
car or be in the car. But

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she just wasn't there. So why
would she loan her car to someone in

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the middle of the night. That
just really is what irked him. And

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so he asked Jeremiah why he was
in possession of miss Mary's car, and

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he explained that he had been walking
on Lake Road when two acquaintances of his

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drove up in that vehicle and they
had offered him a ride. So,

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upon further questioning, Jeremiah identified these
two acquaintances as RJ and Sean. Now

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he would also call RJ JR.
So I don't really have an explanation for

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that other than he would say RJ
or Jr. And this guy named Sean,

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as well as a third man that
he didn't know. And it seems

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plausible a story other than even more
people now being in possession of miss Mary's

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car and her not being there.
So as the deputy and Jeremiah were talking,

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the deputy noticed what looked to be
blood on his clothing, and in

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conversation, Deputy Crean asked him about
it, but Jeremiah was easily able to

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explain this. He said that after
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thereafter, they had wrecked, and
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men got out and a dispute had
broken out between him and RJ. Now,

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this wasn't Deputy Cream's first rodeo,
and he pretty quickly called bullshit right

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on this story. It just turned
out he was having a hard time believing

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Jeremiah and that he had an unobstructed
view of the accident as he pulled up

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to offer assistance, and it was
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that car. So while this certainly
wasn't a smoking gun or anything, it

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was enough to make the deputy again
feel uncomfortable with what was going on,

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and so just for safety reasons,
he decided to ask Jeremiah to turn around

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and put his hands behind his back, but he was not under arrest.

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He put the cuffs on Jeremiah for
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then went ahead and placed him in
the back of his police unit. Now,

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I want to explain this to you. Just because a police officer handcuffs

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someone, it does not mean they're
under arrest. Just because the cuffs go

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on to click, that does not
signify arrest. It's legal for a police

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officer to handcuff someone if the officer
reasonably believes that it's necessary to do so

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to protect the officer's safety or to
prevent the person from fleeing who they're speaking

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with. And so obviously, as
I've already established, Creane was kind of

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weirded out by this whole situation.
And so in this instance, Jeremiah was

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simply being temporarily detained while Deputy Crean
conducted his investigation of the situation. So

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Crean decided he wanted to radio for
backup, and a few minutes later,

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another deputy named Cortes Bridges he arrived
on SCEAM. So Creane then used Bridge's

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telephone to call Miss Mary's home to
double check the story and make sure that

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she did in fact allow Jeremiah to
use her car. Remember, Boecher is

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known for high crime rates, specifically
car theft, so Creane was justified in

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believing that he might want to double
check this story. So The phone rang

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multiple times, but no one ever
picked up to answer. But luckily for

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Miss Mary, the deputy knew who
her best friend was, and so he

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made another phone call to her.
And her name was Annalu Giles. If

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that is not the cutest Southern name
I've ever heard in my life, Miss

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Annalu Giles, Well, Anna answered
the phone, and she was willing to

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meet another officer at Miss Mary's home
to go and check on her. So

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that officer's name was Richard McDonald,
and so Richard McDonald accompanied Miss Giles to

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Mary's home. When they got there, they came upon something that would immediately

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make their hearts drop because they found
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remember it's cold outside, it's very
late at night, and she's an

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Look, someone's gonna come after me
when I say she's an older woman in

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her sixties. Look, I'm not
saying that she's that old. I'm just

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saying comparatively speaking. Okay, she's
not the youngest of spring chickens. Okay,

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but why would your door be left
open late at night when it's freezing

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outside. It just didn't seem right. So they went inside and called for

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her, Miss Mary, Miss Mary, are you here? But she never

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answered back. So as they walked
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single light in the house was on. Now you're like, okay, so

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what, it's America, you can
have all your lights on. Well,

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I mean, think about your house
at eleven o'clock at night. I mean,

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why would every single light be on, even the laundry room, even

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the bathrooms, every single light,
I don't know. Even more strange was

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that there was food that was obviously
in the middle of being cooked, but

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it had been left unattended on the
stove and had been sitting there cooking for

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a while unattended. Now, being
that Miss Giles frequented the home and knew

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of recent holiday preparations, she said
that she knew that Mary had set her

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table several days early before Christmas dinner, but now it was obvious that the

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dinnerware was dishoveled rather than neatly placed
china and napkin rings and polished silverware,

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you know, ready for dinner.
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ready to celebrate the birth of Jesus. And because remember she was a god

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fear and woman, several pieces of
that tablewhere were scattered on the floor,

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and that was not good, right, we could all agree. And then

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as they walked into the kitchen and
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table, they noticed that one dinner
knife was missing from the place settings as

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well. So the more that they
looked, the more evidence they found of

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something more sinister to likely have taken
place. So they continued through the home

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and they eventually found Miss Mary's purse
was in the middle of the floor and

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it clearly had been opened. It
had been dug through, and she was

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known to have several envelopes in her
purse. She did just like my grandmother

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does to this day. My grandmother
carries her cash and it's divided into envelopes

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for designated purchases and bills. So
those envelopes that she was known to do

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her finances this way, they were
there, but they were empty, and

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they were kind of scattered on top
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So the deputy and her best friend
continued to search the home, but she

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was nowhere to be found. They
looked everywhere and then, realizing their worst

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fears, this information was immediately reported
to Deputy Crean back at the scene,

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of the car wreck. In the
meantime, Deputy Crean had continued talking to

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Jeremiah and was detecting the smell of
alcohol on his breath, and considering that

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there had obviously just been a wreck
and alcohol seemed to have been involved,

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Deputy Brian Keith of the DWI Task
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his assistance. So when Deputy Keith
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the police car and he went ahead
right then and there, and he read

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Jeremiah his Miranda rights. So when
questioned further about whether he had consumed alcohol,

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Jeremiah admitted. He told the officer, look, I drank one beer

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tonight. Now, usually I want
you all to know, when someone admits

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to drinking and driving, they usually
will tell you like half of the normal

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or the actual number of drinks that
they've consumed. I've learned that over time.

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But Deputy Keith didn't really observe any
other signs or indicators that would suggest

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that Jeremiah was totally inebriated, so
it could have been true that it was

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just one beer. But at this
point Crane decided, look, I think

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I should talk to a supervisor considering
the totality of the suspicious circumstances, I

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really think we need to have another
set of eyes on this, and someone

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who's a little higher rank than me. So he made a phone call to

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Major tom Myrick, who was at
his home, and he asked him,

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Hey, will you come down to
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Something just doesn't seem right, and
I think maybe I need another set of

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eyes on what's going on. So
about then, Jeremiah then added that he

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didn't know who owned the vehicle,
and he contended that after the accident,

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the other two men had got off
into the woods and then maybe caught a

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ride. So, you know,
the deputy looks up like, wait,

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what what do you mean you don't
know who owns the vehicle? He says,

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no, I mean I don't know
who owns the vehicle. The other

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two men were the ones that knew, but then when we wrecked, they

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took off and ran into the woods. Okay, well, which one is

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it? Because he said there was
two men and now he's saying there was

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three men. And that is what
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Considering the story was having all of
these discrepancies, and the facts weren't

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really jiving. The police asked Jeremiah
to come to the police station to continue

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the interview, and Jeremiah readily agreed
to do so. So he was brought

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there shortly thereafter, and Jeremiah told
Major Myrick basically the same story. Jeremiah

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said he was walking through town on
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which was located in Ballinger, you
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the vehicle came by. So inside
the he says, there was a driver

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who he kneed to be rj or
Jr. Again, he gave both sets

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of his initials, and then two
passengers, one was named Sean and the

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third was in the back seat,
and Jeremiah didn't know his name, so

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they stopped to ask Jeremiah, Hey, you want to ride, which he

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says, yeah, I'd love a
ride. He says, he opened the

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back door, he entered the back
seat on the driver's side, and then

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the men all drove down Highway one
fifty seven to an intersection of Highway one

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sixty. So on the way,
he said, look, we were all

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just having general conversation. We were
talking whatever, and then RJ slash.

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JR. Indicated that quote, and
this is a direct quote. They had

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just gotten the car from an old
lady and they were taking it to a

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chop shop in New Orleans, and
then it was about that time that they

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drove into the curve. They veered
into the ditch, and then he says,

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the car came to a stop in
the ditch. And Jeremiah says,

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look, I was real mad at
JR. For wrecking the car because it

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almost hurt everybody in the car,
specifically me. Where I was sitting is

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where the brunt of the of you
know, the crash happened. And so

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he said, look, words were
exchange, and I'll admit tempers began to

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flare, and as the tempers flared, we eventually got into a fight.

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So they exchanged a few blows and
then JR. Got hurt and that resulted

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in some blood being left on Jeremiah's
clothing. At some point off, you

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know, when that happened, the
men got spooked, whether it was by

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a passing car or they thought they
heard somebody, or whatever the reason was.

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And just before the deputy reached the
scene of the crash, that's when

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the other three men ran off into
the wooded area behind the car. Jeremiah

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then says he was convinced that the
men had called somebody and that they had

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apparently caught a ride. Now,
to me, it makes me kind of

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wonder something there. Why didn't Jeremiah
run off with them. He obviously knew

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the car was stolen. He just
admitted to the officer's look. They told

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me they took the car and they
were taking it to a chop shop.

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He's not an idiot, Okay.
Why would you remain at the scene and

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everybody else run off? I mean, common sense would tell you that if

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everybody starts running. Traditionally speaking,
people even if they don't know what's going

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on, will take off running as
well as a survival instinct. But Jeremiah

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says, no, I just stayed
back at the car. So as the

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time was passing and they're trying to
get all this explanation of what could have

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possibly happened, Miss Mary was still
nowhere to be found, nor the other

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men. And it was cold outside, y'all. She had no purse,

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she didn't have her money, she
didn't have anything else that she would need,

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and time was pretty much of the
essence and locating where she might be.

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So once they were at that police
station, there seemed to be a

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shift in the account of what was
being told to police, and Jeremiah's statement

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seem to start kind of evolving into
a series of statements. And basically there

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were inconsistencies in these statements, and
once those inconsistencies were disproved to Jeremiah based

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on his earlier versions of the story
he gave, Jeremiah would then make various

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additional changes to the story. Now, if there's one thing I can tell

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you about crime or about life,
doesn't matter if you're talking to a ten

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year old or a fifty year old, it's that the truth never changes.

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Once your story starts evolving, that's
when you know somebody is hiding something.

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Now what they're hiding, you don't
know. But why would you lie and

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why would the story change if you're
telling the truth. It doesn't make sense,

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right. So Jeremiah then gives a
second statement, and it was really

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similar to the first one, except
this time he spoke about the argument with

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JR. But he said in this
time when he's talking that he exited the

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vehicle before the car had wrecked.
All right, So a small, a

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small, little change in details,
but there was something that investigators knew that

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made this story really unlikely. The
detective brought up to Jeremiah that he never

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was mentioning the fact that there was
a baby seat in the back of the

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car, and this would matter,
y'all. The reason the baby seat would

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matter is because it wasn't a small
car seat. Matter of fact, to

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everybody on scene, it was oddly
large. It was literally written down as

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an unusually large car seat that took
up nearly two thirds of the rear seat.

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So this is going to be a
pretty big issue for Jeremiah because it

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would have been impossible, literally impossible
for him to get in the back seat

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with another person with that car seat
in the back seat, which he never

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even mentioned was back there. It
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So faced with this physical limitation of
room in the back seat, Jeremiah

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drops his head and he admits he
lied about the presence of the third unknown

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black mail. Okay, like,
why why would you make up another person

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was there? What what would that
lie accomplish? And really, while you're

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listening to my podcast, what would
that accomplish. What would adding another person

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to the scene of an accident,
admittedly in a stolen car, it looks

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like, but why add a third
person? So the fact that he's admitting

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that he lied about the third person
isn't really giving anything. I think Jeremiah

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in his mind thought, oh well, let me give a little here,

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and you know they'll believe me.
But it just doesn't add anything to the

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story. So Deputy Myrik advised Jeremiah, look, buddy, I don't believe

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you. I don't think you're telling
the whole truth. And so he kept

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questioning him in a further attempt to
locate and hopefully find miss Mary safe and

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sound wherever she may be. But
time, again, is of the essence.

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So continuing the questioning, Jeremiah would
finalize his story by making some wildly

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different admissions that were nothing like how
he originally started the story. So the

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questioning continued, and the investigators would
revisit portions of the story from the beginning

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of the story and then kind of
like all over the place. And I

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thought this was rather genius because when
someone's trying to lie, Okay, think

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about if you had to create a
lie right now, you would have to

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put your lie in order, right, because every piece of the lie is

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dependent on something down the road literally
and metaphorically speaking, right, everything has

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to be in place to explain away
future instances. So the questioning method I

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think that they used is genius because
it doesn't give him time to a just

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for the order of the issues that
he's telling them. So police were now

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able to pull another version from Jeremiah, and he now says, Okay,

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look here's the truth. Okay,
I'm just gonna spill it. Jr.

407
00:29:14.279 --> 00:29:21.759
Sean and two unidentified men had picked
me up in a white van. So

408
00:29:21.839 --> 00:29:26.279
now we've got four suspects known to
unknown the way that he words it,

409
00:29:26.000 --> 00:29:33.079
And he says Jr and Sean were
dropped near miss Mary's house. All right,

410
00:29:33.119 --> 00:29:37.160
that's pretty big difference, right,
They had planned to steal her car.

411
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:41.279
But Jeremiah says, look, I
remain near the street while Jr.

412
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:45.480
And Seawan approached the house. And
to me, that's pretty convenient, Like

413
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:51.319
me speaking, that's pretty convenient.
He's there, but he's not directly involved.

414
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:52.720
That's what it sounds like. He's
trying to set up here. And

415
00:29:52.880 --> 00:30:00.519
Jeremiah then says, but I did
overhear miss Mary tell telling the men that

416
00:30:00.599 --> 00:30:04.359
they were welcome to take her keys, they could take her money, but

417
00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:10.000
please please do not hurt me.
You can have whatever you want, please

418
00:30:10.039 --> 00:30:17.319
don't hurt me. At this point, Jeremiah says he became so upset at

419
00:30:17.359 --> 00:30:21.039
hearing this old lady plead with them
that he left the scene. He was

420
00:30:21.079 --> 00:30:22.599
gone. He did not want a
part of it, and he started walking

421
00:30:22.680 --> 00:30:29.160
back up town. Minutes later,
JR. Drove up in miss Mary's car,

422
00:30:29.599 --> 00:30:34.640
and Sean was sitting in the passenger
seat while miss Mary sat between the

423
00:30:34.720 --> 00:30:40.519
other two men. Jeremiah then says
he entered the rear passenger seat and the

424
00:30:40.559 --> 00:30:45.759
car proceeded along Highway one fifty seven
until the men reached Highway one sixty and

425
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:49.160
then they turned left. And then
they had driven about two miles on Highway

426
00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:56.920
one sixty when JR. Slowed down
and then creeped onto a little dirt road.

427
00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:02.200
Miss Mary was with them the whole
time. I'm in this chain of

428
00:31:02.240 --> 00:31:07.799
events. Jeremiah said, though,
that at this point she became extremely upset,

429
00:31:07.920 --> 00:31:14.359
and to Jeremiah's horror, he realized, we have turned down this dirt

430
00:31:14.480 --> 00:31:18.839
road. This is not good and
Jr. And Sean are about to do

431
00:31:18.920 --> 00:31:23.559
some bodily harm to this old lady. Now I'm gonna take a pause real

432
00:31:23.640 --> 00:31:26.480
quick, and I want to tell
you I did a little further research on

433
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:30.440
Jeremiah for this part of the part
of the interview, because I'll tell you

434
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:36.079
I don't have video of the interview. So I was personally curious as to

435
00:31:36.119 --> 00:31:38.839
the size and weight of Jeremiah.
And you're like, Okay, why would

436
00:31:38.880 --> 00:31:42.359
you care. Just trust me.
I wanted to know what was Jeremiah like.

437
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:48.839
So for your information, Jeremiah is
a six foot four inch, three

438
00:31:48.960 --> 00:31:53.599
hundred and eight pound black male who
was born on December ninth, nineteen eighty,

439
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:57.599
making him twenty years old at the
time that this case took place.

440
00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:07.519
This is a six foot five,
three hundred pounds man. I also then

441
00:32:07.839 --> 00:32:12.640
looked up Miss Mary. Now I
will tell you I have limited photos about

442
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:15.559
Miss Mary because this was not very
big in the news, and so you

443
00:32:15.599 --> 00:32:20.680
know, there wasn't a lot of
posts about what she looked like. But

444
00:32:20.799 --> 00:32:23.680
she was in her sixties and based
on those limited photos that I have,

445
00:32:24.119 --> 00:32:30.400
she looks to be about five foot
seven and roughly one hundred and sixty pounds.

446
00:32:30.119 --> 00:32:34.279
So where my brain goes, and
I don't know where your brain goes,

447
00:32:34.319 --> 00:32:38.559
but where my brain goes is if
Jeremiah had an ounce of character about

448
00:32:38.599 --> 00:32:43.480
him, it would seem to me
that he would at least lie at this

449
00:32:43.599 --> 00:32:49.920
point and claim to protect this elderly
woman. But that's never mentioned. That's

450
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:53.359
never mentioned, So I guess it's
just to be assumed that he would ride

451
00:32:53.359 --> 00:32:58.480
his big ass right next to this
little old lady and he's in a car

452
00:32:58.799 --> 00:33:01.960
that's been stolen and she's been kidnapped
apparently, but he doesn't even bat an

453
00:33:02.039 --> 00:33:07.599
eye. Is that really what you're
telling me, because Wow, it's not

454
00:33:07.640 --> 00:33:09.799
really looking good for you, Jeremiah. In my opinion, I don't think

455
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:14.279
that this is getting any better.
The more blame you're placing on the other

456
00:33:14.640 --> 00:33:16.880
players in this case, to me, the worse it's kind of looking for

457
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:23.440
you. So Jeremiah then says he
opened the rear door and he immediately exited

458
00:33:23.440 --> 00:33:27.559
the vehicle once he realized they're going
to hurt this old lady. He said,

459
00:33:27.599 --> 00:33:30.680
I didn't want any part in this
plan. That's when he said JR.

460
00:33:30.759 --> 00:33:34.799
Rolled down the driver's side window and
told him. This is a direct

461
00:33:34.839 --> 00:33:37.759
quote don't you tell anyone what we're
doing tonight, or we'll get you.

462
00:33:39.200 --> 00:33:44.720
We'll get you. I mean that
sounds like that, sounds like something that

463
00:33:44.720 --> 00:33:52.839
happens in third grade will get you. So several minutes later, that vehicle

464
00:33:53.279 --> 00:33:59.359
emerged, turned eastbound on Highway one
point sixty, and then proceeded out of

465
00:33:59.440 --> 00:34:02.119
Jeremiah's sight. So he says,
look, I continued walking on the highway

466
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:07.039
for about a half a mile and
that's when he came upon the vehicle again,

467
00:34:07.360 --> 00:34:12.119
but this time it was sitting in
the ditch. So he ran up

468
00:34:12.159 --> 00:34:15.360
to it and he started checking for
occupants of the car, and that's where

469
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:20.519
he found it. It was empty, and that is when Officer Crean pulled

470
00:34:20.599 --> 00:34:24.800
up and apprehended him. So this
version of events sounds all good and gravy

471
00:34:24.800 --> 00:34:30.320
and everything right, except for the
fact that the detectives investigating and questioning him

472
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:34.880
reminded him, wait a minute,
Padna, there was blood on your clothing.

473
00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:37.840
How could the blood be on your
clothing if you were out of the

474
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:43.320
car during anything that could have occurred
to her? Now, y'all, don't

475
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.639
let it get lost on you while
this is going down. I've taken it

476
00:34:45.679 --> 00:34:47.840
and synthesized it right, and I'm
kind of giving it to you in a

477
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.320
beautiful order. The detectives don't know
what's going on, and the whole time,

478
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:59.960
this old lady is missing and it's
freezing outside. So at this point,

479
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.320
once he's kind of cornered, that's
when he decides to admit, okay,

480
00:35:02.320 --> 00:35:06.679
fine, there was foul play.
Something bad happened to her. He

481
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.239
basically told the officers, your hunch
is right. Something terrible happened to her.

482
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:15.559
But I was a witness to it
and it was awful, he says.

483
00:35:15.719 --> 00:35:21.400
Now, he was present when Jr. And Sean abducted her from the

484
00:35:21.440 --> 00:35:27.559
home, and he's just shocked that
these men were capable of such an atrocity.

485
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:30.119
Jr. And Sean had gone into
the home and they had taken miss

486
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:34.960
Mary by force. But he was
so stunned that they would do such a

487
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.360
thing that he was frozen and he
was in fear. He was fearful that

488
00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:43.239
they were going to do something to
him because he was there, and so

489
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.199
he accompanied them in their crime to
avoid being hurt. Basically, he's trying

490
00:35:47.199 --> 00:35:51.480
to say he was under duress,
which means you comply and you go along

491
00:35:51.480 --> 00:35:54.639
with something you otherwise shouldn't because you
fear for your own safety. The six

492
00:35:54.840 --> 00:36:01.159
foot five, three hundred pound man
fears for him is safety, Okay,

493
00:36:02.639 --> 00:36:07.280
mind you, I haven't heard any
instance of a gun or anything at this

494
00:36:07.360 --> 00:36:12.400
point. So that's when he says
he was seated in the rear seat of

495
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:15.920
the vehicle when she was taken,
and she was sandwiched between the two men,

496
00:36:16.280 --> 00:36:21.159
the other two men, and then
he somehow is in the car as

497
00:36:21.199 --> 00:36:22.559
well. And hopefully you're picking up
on the fact this is rather confusing.

498
00:36:22.880 --> 00:36:25.280
I mean, it's not like it's
this huge car that she has, y'all.

499
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:30.280
It's a regular you know, like
a regular sedan. So they drove

500
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:34.800
away from the home, and they
eventually turned off the highway. They turned

501
00:36:34.840 --> 00:36:37.760
on the dirt road and they slowed
down. That's when Jeremiah said he wanted

502
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:42.639
out of the car. He was
gonna start walking, and that's when he

503
00:36:42.679 --> 00:36:45.599
did just that. And then he
says this time that he eventually found his

504
00:36:45.639 --> 00:36:54.079
way down a trail on foot.
And now, y'all, he stumbled upon

505
00:36:54.159 --> 00:37:04.320
a horrific scene. I I am
sure he must have been shaking, because

506
00:37:04.360 --> 00:37:09.920
amazingly that trail he happened to walk
down was the very trail where he came

507
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:17.400
upon someone who was injured and dying. All he could think was that Jr.

508
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.320
And Sean had decided to murder Miss
Mary, and he was very unsure

509
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:25.639
of what to do next. So
he did what anyone would do and he

510
00:37:25.760 --> 00:37:30.639
just kept walking right, just leave
the old lady there, and he kept

511
00:37:30.639 --> 00:37:36.119
walking on foot back to the highway
again. That's where he found the car

512
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:40.960
in the ditch, and that's when
Debudy Crean came upon him. He was

513
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.440
so relieved to be able to actually
tell the truth. He says, this

514
00:37:44.480 --> 00:37:46.719
is a huge weight to get off
of his shoulders and he wants to help

515
00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:50.880
the police. So when they ask
him, Jeremiah, can you tell us

516
00:37:50.920 --> 00:37:53.760
the location of where she was laying? He says absolutely, I will do

517
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:58.400
whatever you need of me to go
help and find this injured and dying woman.

518
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:02.960
So together they all set off to
find her. Jeremiah led Deputy Myrik

519
00:38:04.079 --> 00:38:07.519
and some other detectives to a remote
wooded area off of Highway one sixty and

520
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:14.639
after a little bit of walking and
searching, officers would find outside in the

521
00:38:14.639 --> 00:38:23.239
freezing frigid temps, miss Mary.
But y'all, she wasn't dying, and

522
00:38:23.920 --> 00:38:30.840
that's because she was dead. Interesting
to the placement of her body was the

523
00:38:30.880 --> 00:38:39.320
additional fact that her blouse was bunched
up up around her neck. This sixty

524
00:38:39.360 --> 00:38:45.679
something year old woman had been cooking
in her kitchen kitchen, preparing for the

525
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:52.159
holidays, minding her own business.
How in the hell could she have gone

526
00:38:52.159 --> 00:38:58.079
from cooking a meal to dead in
the woods. So upon finding her body,

527
00:38:58.480 --> 00:39:01.079
the police cordoned off the scene and
the coroner's office was called to collect

528
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:07.000
her remains. Once the coroner's office
arrived, it was then that they rolled

529
00:39:07.039 --> 00:39:14.519
Miss Mary's body over, and to
everyone's shock, the absolute brutality of what

530
00:39:14.599 --> 00:39:21.880
this woman had endured was even worse
than what anyone wanted to imagine. When

531
00:39:21.920 --> 00:39:27.559
they rolled her face up, it
was immediately apparent that her throat had been

532
00:39:27.639 --> 00:39:34.079
slashed from ear to ear. And
in addition to the shocking condition of her

533
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:39.159
throat was the condition of her head. She had suffered a massive blow to

534
00:39:39.280 --> 00:39:46.039
her head, so strong that it
fractured her skull. I mean, the

535
00:39:46.079 --> 00:39:52.159
sheer brutality of someone cutting a person's
throat is why most people veer away at

536
00:39:52.159 --> 00:39:55.679
this point of storytelling. And if
you know if you have been following my

537
00:39:55.760 --> 00:40:00.519
Facebook, you know that the haters
are gonna hate, and and I get

538
00:40:00.599 --> 00:40:04.800
so many ugly messages from people that
say that I am that I am just

539
00:40:04.840 --> 00:40:07.360
trying to be salacious, and that
I want shock factor. And those people

540
00:40:07.599 --> 00:40:14.519
couldn't be more wrong. They are
dead wrong about me. To me,

541
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:22.639
it's personal. Cutting someone's throat is
extremely personal. What these people went through

542
00:40:22.280 --> 00:40:28.880
is the story. We don't gloss
over it because it's hard to listen to

543
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:31.800
the facts are the facts, and
that's what makes the victim the victim.

544
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:38.400
So if you're easily offended, right
now's the time to turn off the podcast.

545
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:42.920
If you want to know the truth, I'll give it to you.

546
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:52.880
Homicidal throat cuts can be produced,
usually in two different ways, depending on

547
00:40:52.960 --> 00:40:57.920
whether they are produced from the back, from like behind the victim, or

548
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:04.199
from in front of the victim.
Of the two methods of when someone's throat

549
00:41:04.239 --> 00:41:09.159
is cut, statistically, people are
going to be cut from behind. More

550
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:17.480
often the head is pulled back and
then the knife is drawn across the throat

551
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:29.039
the homicidal Cutthroat injuries inflicted from behind
are also usually longer. They usually start

552
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:36.880
below the ear and then they run
obliquely downward and then medially and then straight

553
00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:40.840
across the midline of the neck,
and that ends on the opposite side of

554
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:46.039
the neck, lower than its point
of origin, so it starts from one

555
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:51.400
side, cuts around, and then
cuts off a little bit lower. Contrary

556
00:41:51.519 --> 00:41:57.760
to that, homicidal cutthroats inflicted from
the front tend to be short and angular

557
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:01.280
like angled, so further you know, instead of the neck being cut with

558
00:42:01.480 --> 00:42:07.599
one long, continuous motion, these
wounds are inflicted usually by several swipes or

559
00:42:07.639 --> 00:42:10.559
slashes, And y'all, it makes
sense if you think about it. So

560
00:42:10.679 --> 00:42:13.960
someone breaks into your house, will
make this up, right, Someone breaks

561
00:42:13.960 --> 00:42:15.800
into your house and they're armed with
a knife. They come at you from

562
00:42:15.840 --> 00:42:19.199
the front. You're wanting to defend
yourself, and so what do they do.

563
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:22.039
And they're slashing and they're swiping,
and they're trying to get it you

564
00:42:22.079 --> 00:42:25.320
while they attack you. But in
the instance where maybe you were abducted from

565
00:42:25.360 --> 00:42:30.519
your home and you're being walked into
the woods, you will lead your offender.

566
00:42:30.920 --> 00:42:32.760
You will not be behind them.
That doesn't even make sense. You

567
00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:37.840
would run away, right, So
the offender would lead you and you or

568
00:42:37.920 --> 00:42:39.239
excuse me, you would leave the
offender, and they would be behind you

569
00:42:39.280 --> 00:42:44.639
directing your traffic, and then once
they get you where they want you to

570
00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:49.119
be, they attack from behind.
So based on the descriptions of her wound

571
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.320
and the way that her body was
found, it would seem this was a

572
00:42:52.360 --> 00:42:57.880
cut throat from behind. Assessing the
scene the way that Jeremiah walked to her

573
00:42:57.920 --> 00:43:04.400
body, I get the feeling that
this was a forced walk, and she

574
00:43:04.519 --> 00:43:09.320
was made to take those steps in
that cold air to her final resting spot.

575
00:43:09.559 --> 00:43:13.000
And it brings up an old case. If you haven't, if you

576
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:15.519
just started listening, you might want
to go back and listen to this one.

577
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.960
But the Reagan Took's case because that
little girl dealt with the same thing.

578
00:43:19.199 --> 00:43:22.639
She was forced to walk to her
final resting place before she was executed.

579
00:43:24.079 --> 00:43:28.519
Mary didn't have on a jacket,
y'all. She was older, and

580
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.440
she had done everything asked of her
since she was abducted from her home.

581
00:43:31.679 --> 00:43:37.440
And you can almost sense the stillness
of the cold and the dark night and

582
00:43:37.480 --> 00:43:40.079
the fear that she must have felt. And I'm going to take the liberty

583
00:43:40.199 --> 00:43:45.360
here of telling you what I think
it must have been like. And I

584
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:50.280
don't know, and Mary can't tell
me, So taking that liberty, I'm

585
00:43:50.280 --> 00:43:52.800
going to tell you. I think
that she was walked by force at the

586
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:58.599
hands of her captor or captors.
And I bet the whole time that sixty

587
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.679
year old lady was praying to the
god that she faithfully served, And I

588
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:07.800
bet she was thinking about her children
and how much she didn't want to leave

589
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:12.719
them. It doesn't matter that they're
grown, They's still her babies. And

590
00:44:12.760 --> 00:44:15.920
how in the world does she find
herself in this position. I wonder,

591
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:20.320
y'all if she was being promised anything, or if she just had continued to

592
00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:23.679
comply to try to save her own
life. And the reality is that we

593
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:29.880
won't ever know that information because it's
never been stated. All we know is

594
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:36.519
what was left. So sorry if
it offends people that I want to mention

595
00:44:36.599 --> 00:44:40.000
the fact that that woman suffered,
and she was scared, and nobody protected

596
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:45.119
her, including the six foot five, three hundred pounds man that, based

597
00:44:45.159 --> 00:44:50.800
on all of these stories, was
in arm's length and could have protected her

598
00:44:51.639 --> 00:44:54.400
at minimum. You're a coward.
Even if you went along with it under

599
00:44:54.480 --> 00:45:00.960
duress, you're a coward. But
what we do know is that she did

600
00:45:01.119 --> 00:45:05.920
everything that she was asked to do. She was scared and alone, but

601
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:09.280
she kept herself collected and she moved
at the mercy of her captors. She

602
00:45:09.400 --> 00:45:14.440
walked into that dark with a person
or persons that she did not know.

603
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:19.920
She was struck with a tremendous amount
of force before she fell, and she

604
00:45:20.079 --> 00:45:28.760
was cut neck across like a lamb
at slaughter. Slitting someone's throat accomplishes three

605
00:45:28.800 --> 00:45:32.079
things that will behoove the criminal.
Number one, it will sever the trachea

606
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:37.679
the windpipe right and generally it's done
below the larynx, and this prevents someone

607
00:45:37.719 --> 00:45:45.760
from screaming or yelling. Silence,
Miss Mary, it was done. Number

608
00:45:45.760 --> 00:45:51.079
two, it severs the carotid artery
if it's deep enough, which it was

609
00:45:51.119 --> 00:45:58.440
in this case, preventing new oxygenated
blood from reaching her brain she collapses.

610
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:04.199
And then number three, it severs
that jugular vein, which allows the blood

611
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:09.599
to freely pour from her brain.
She drains out and sure, someone right

612
00:46:09.639 --> 00:46:13.239
now is going, well, this
would have brought her unconscious really quickly,

613
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:16.519
and you know she probably died shortly
thereafter. Okay, great, wonderful,

614
00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:20.480
I'm glad that that's your assessment of
things. But it's not like This is

615
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:23.480
the movies, y'all. It is
gruesome and it is animalistic. It takes

616
00:46:23.599 --> 00:46:30.360
roughly thirty seconds to a minute for
total you know, blood loss and lack

617
00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:36.239
of oxygen before it completely kills the
person. Unconsciousness would have happened much sooner,

618
00:46:36.559 --> 00:46:39.480
right But the heart, y'all,
it continues to pump. It continues

619
00:46:39.519 --> 00:46:44.639
to squirt the blood from that carotid
until there's not enough left to pump.

620
00:46:45.239 --> 00:46:49.000
And here's the hardest part, y'all, And be warned, it's rough.

621
00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:54.639
But the whole time that Miss Mary's
life was fading from her, she would

622
00:46:54.679 --> 00:47:01.239
be taking giant gasps of breath through
that severed wind and gargling her blood and

623
00:47:01.320 --> 00:47:07.360
coughing. That is what that lady
went through. She didn't just end up

624
00:47:07.400 --> 00:47:13.960
dead. People don't just end up
dead. They suffer. Not to mention,

625
00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:15.679
part of the experience was the fact
that she was struck in the head,

626
00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:20.199
a blow so hard that it fractured
her skull. And while I wasn't

627
00:47:20.239 --> 00:47:22.360
there, I have a theory about
those last moments. There would be no

628
00:47:22.480 --> 00:47:27.239
reason to cut her throat if she
were already incapacitated from the head blow.

629
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:30.599
It would also be easier to pick
her up by her hair and slit her

630
00:47:30.599 --> 00:47:34.960
throat if she weren't able to fight
back. The throat cutting, in my

631
00:47:35.039 --> 00:47:38.760
opinion, was the coup de gras
right, the action taken to ensure death,

632
00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:47.440
and that that date would be etched
on her tombstone. Fully aware of

633
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:54.119
the tragedy and the suffering that this
old lady endured is what would leave investigators

634
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:59.880
angry but also emboldened to figure out
what in the hell happened and why.

635
00:48:00.400 --> 00:48:06.360
So, considering the numerous inconsistencies in
Jeremiah's story, the detectives wanted to interrogate

636
00:48:06.400 --> 00:48:14.559
Jeremiah more and so, while Jeremiah
had participated in the car ride with two

637
00:48:14.599 --> 00:48:20.199
people who had potentially killed her,
shockingly found her dead body and was considered

638
00:48:20.280 --> 00:48:23.679
pretty suss in the whole situation.
Amazingly, while they wanted to continue to

639
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:29.119
question him, he advises them that
he just wasn't up to talking much more.

640
00:48:30.079 --> 00:48:32.360
He had more pressing matters at hand, y'all. When he got settled

641
00:48:32.360 --> 00:48:37.599
into that police station, and he
told the investigators that he was tired and

642
00:48:37.639 --> 00:48:45.920
that he was cold, and he
would prefer to continue this interview later already,

643
00:48:45.960 --> 00:48:51.639
then, so officers decided to know
what we're going to go ahead and

644
00:48:51.639 --> 00:48:57.519
oblige you on that request. So
they took Jeremiah from the interrogation room.

645
00:48:57.840 --> 00:49:00.760
They took him to the booking area, and they booked him with first degree

646
00:49:00.840 --> 00:49:08.400
murder, aggravated kidnapping, and aggravated
burglary and then sent him to a cell.

647
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:14.719
Now, lucky though, for you
and me and everyone else, never

648
00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:22.880
underestimate the good old eyewitness and what
criminals don't account for ever is someone else

649
00:49:22.960 --> 00:49:27.639
knows something. And it turns out
a woman by the name of Monicle Lyles

650
00:49:27.679 --> 00:49:30.880
came forward and she told police that
she had been out and about the night

651
00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:35.400
that this murder had taken place.
I'm kind of fast forward a little bit,

652
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:42.440
and around approximately ten pm on the
night that you know miss Mary had

653
00:49:42.480 --> 00:49:45.679
been abducted and ultimately murdered, Miss
Lyles and her fiance happened to be out

654
00:49:45.719 --> 00:49:50.440
and about themselves, driving on Highway
one fifty seven, And it turns out

655
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:59.280
she had very clearly seen Mary's vehicle
and she noticed very clearly that miss Mary

656
00:49:59.800 --> 00:50:05.519
was driving the vehicle. We haven't
heard that yet, have we. No

657
00:50:05.519 --> 00:50:08.039
matter what story we've heard from Jeremiah, miss Mary was never driving, huh.

658
00:50:08.679 --> 00:50:14.519
It was always these other guys.
And not only did she notice her,

659
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:20.280
but it had drawn her attention because
she was driving extremely slowly and it

660
00:50:20.360 --> 00:50:23.159
kind of was weird, right,
So miss Lyles could tell that there was

661
00:50:23.159 --> 00:50:29.440
only one other person in the car
when she drove by. It was miss

662
00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:32.880
Mary driving, and it was another
person in that front seat. The other

663
00:50:32.960 --> 00:50:38.119
person was beside her in the front
seat, and considering how slow the car

664
00:50:38.159 --> 00:50:43.800
was being driven, miss Lyles thought
that the pair must have been lost because

665
00:50:43.800 --> 00:50:47.320
the driver appeared to be confused about
where she was and like where she was

666
00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:52.000
heading. So as miss Lyles and
her fiance drove past them, that's when

667
00:50:52.039 --> 00:50:54.440
she kind of looked over at the
car and she noticed that there was another

668
00:50:54.480 --> 00:50:59.000
person with her, and so she
let her guard down. She said,

669
00:50:59.039 --> 00:51:01.800
I actually became less concerned, and
I figured that the old lady was okay

670
00:51:02.079 --> 00:51:05.840
because there was someone else with her. They must have just not been familiar

671
00:51:05.840 --> 00:51:08.480
with the roads. Now, in
all honesty, miss Lyles did say,

672
00:51:08.480 --> 00:51:12.360
look, I did not get a
good look at the passenger, But she

673
00:51:12.480 --> 00:51:15.679
says, I was one hundred percent
that there were only two occupants in that

674
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:22.480
vehicle, and I'm one hundred percent
sure that miss Mary was driving the car,

675
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:29.679
so even strangely further down down the
night, she says, I wasn't

676
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:32.280
quite sure, you know, how
this all came to be, But she

677
00:51:32.360 --> 00:51:38.079
said I actually was behind her,
and then I passed her. But then

678
00:51:38.199 --> 00:51:44.400
forty five minutes later, she said, I saw her again. I passed

679
00:51:44.400 --> 00:51:49.039
her not once, but two more
times on Highway one fifty seven that night

680
00:51:49.159 --> 00:51:51.760
while we were out doing, you
know, run our errands and do what

681
00:51:51.760 --> 00:51:54.239
we were doing. And every time
she saw them, she said, they

682
00:51:54.320 --> 00:51:58.280
just stood out to me, how
freak and slow they were driving. It

683
00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:04.559
was weird. At about eleven PM
is when Miss Lyles saw the vehicle for

684
00:52:04.599 --> 00:52:07.000
the last time, but she passed
it when it was stuck in the ditch,

685
00:52:07.719 --> 00:52:12.119
and she said that there was a
police car that had pulled up,

686
00:52:12.280 --> 00:52:15.000
and she saw a man in handcuffs
standing next to the car at that point,

687
00:52:15.159 --> 00:52:19.280
And obviously this was a bit concerning
to her, considering she had seen

688
00:52:19.320 --> 00:52:22.599
the woman multiple times and she looked
confused, but she said, I was

689
00:52:22.639 --> 00:52:27.960
pretty sure it was the same car, but as I got closer, there

690
00:52:28.039 --> 00:52:31.880
was no little quote gray haired lady
inside or with the officer that had that

691
00:52:31.920 --> 00:52:36.079
other man that looked like he was
arrested, So she dismissed the idea and

692
00:52:36.159 --> 00:52:38.239
figured, oh, I must be
mistaken because that little gray haired lady was

693
00:52:38.320 --> 00:52:44.280
driving the other vehicle. This obviously
is not the same car, but it

694
00:52:44.519 --> 00:52:47.960
was. It was only after the
news broke that Miss Mary was abducted and

695
00:52:49.039 --> 00:52:52.960
murdered that the puzzle pieces started coming
together for that witness and thanked God for

696
00:52:53.039 --> 00:52:59.960
miss Lyles. So back to the
questioning of Jeremiah. Now that her boy

697
00:53:00.159 --> 00:53:06.239
he had been found, Jeremiah was
wanting to explain how there was blood on

698
00:53:06.320 --> 00:53:08.719
his clothing because he said, after
the vehicle I had passed him on the

699
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:14.480
highway, he walked back up the
dirt road to try and find Miss Mary.

700
00:53:15.079 --> 00:53:19.079
And this struck me as odd,
y'all, because you know, I

701
00:53:19.199 --> 00:53:23.079
was I was doing more research and
I'm kind of reading back and through all

702
00:53:23.079 --> 00:53:27.159
these confusing stories that he's giving,
and you know, apologies, but this

703
00:53:27.199 --> 00:53:31.480
is how he told the story.
But why would you assume that they had

704
00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:35.960
dumped her out on the road if
any of these stories are true and we're

705
00:53:35.960 --> 00:53:39.519
going to buy into anything. Basically, he says he stumbled upon her body,

706
00:53:39.760 --> 00:53:44.599
But why would he think that they
dumped her out on the road.

707
00:53:45.239 --> 00:53:46.519
That doesn't even make sense to me. What would make you assume that?

708
00:53:49.199 --> 00:53:52.960
So, Jeremiah said, his main
intention when he was walking down that road

709
00:53:53.239 --> 00:53:58.320
was to go check on miss Mary's
welfare and ensure that she would tell the

710
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:01.039
police that he had not been involved
and beating her or in her abduction.

711
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.880
So, considering that it was dark
and the dirt trail was poorly lit,

712
00:54:09.280 --> 00:54:13.280
he said it scared him half to
death. He said, I was just

713
00:54:13.360 --> 00:54:20.199
walking down the trail when someone grabbed
my leg in the dark. Now,

714
00:54:20.280 --> 00:54:23.519
Jeremiah says, he immediately knelt down, and that's when he came to the

715
00:54:23.559 --> 00:54:29.039
shocking reality that it was miss Mary
that had grabbed his leg and she was

716
00:54:29.079 --> 00:54:34.639
in dire need of help. So
doing his best to comfort her, he

717
00:54:34.679 --> 00:54:37.760
says, I did the best I
knew. How, he tells police,

718
00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:43.119
he cradled her in his arms,
telling her how sorry he was and asking

719
00:54:43.159 --> 00:54:45.400
what do I need to do to
help you? How can I help you?

720
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:50.719
But unfortunately she had lost too much
blood and it was now as he

721
00:54:50.760 --> 00:54:54.599
cradled her in his arms, that
she was unable to respond, and he

722
00:54:54.679 --> 00:55:01.280
says, she just was making gurgling
noises. He decided to leave her there

723
00:55:02.199 --> 00:55:06.519
and return up that dirt road to
the highway, where he came back to

724
00:55:06.559 --> 00:55:12.679
the wrecked vehicle, and again Deputy
Crean was there. Now police couldn't just

725
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:15.840
ignore the claim. Remember that there
were two other men involved in this murder.

726
00:55:15.920 --> 00:55:19.280
And while it does sound stupid,
at this point, there weren't these

727
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:22.840
other men right, Well, he
was naming them by name, and this

728
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:28.159
would be something that would matter because
it will come up in court later and

729
00:55:28.199 --> 00:55:30.639
it will have to be addressed because
it's just going to put in that little

730
00:55:30.639 --> 00:55:32.360
bit of reasonable doubt. Maybe there
were more people that did this. Maybe

731
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:37.079
parts of jeremiah story are true.
So Major Myrik and other detectives conducted an

732
00:55:37.119 --> 00:55:44.239
exhaustive search of the spring Hill area
in an attempt to corroborate Jeremia's story concerning

733
00:55:44.280 --> 00:55:50.599
these alleged other assailants, Sean and
Jr. And much to my surprise and

734
00:55:50.719 --> 00:55:57.599
probably yours, believe it or not, the investigating officers did actually locate these

735
00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.639
men. Y'all. They were real. Oh, Jeremiah was telling the truth

736
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:07.639
about them. They were real.
And I'll be honest, I thought Jeremiah

737
00:56:07.639 --> 00:56:13.280
was making this up completely. Their
names were actually Sean Minifield and Andrew Lee

738
00:56:13.480 --> 00:56:20.880
aka Jr. Brantley. And something
even more convincing that would say, hey,

739
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:24.800
they've got the right men in question
is that they were literally the only

740
00:56:24.920 --> 00:56:30.239
men in the area that even vaguely
fit the description that Jeremiah had provided.

741
00:56:30.920 --> 00:56:37.000
Jeremiah gave the descriptions and the names, so police knew that they had the

742
00:56:37.039 --> 00:56:38.960
men that he was describing. I
mean, they fit the bill to a

743
00:56:39.000 --> 00:56:44.440
t. And when Shaw and Jr. Were questioned, they both were stunned

744
00:56:44.639 --> 00:56:51.239
to even be involved in this case. Both men willingly provided alibis, and

745
00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.360
these alibis were solid about the whereabouts
of their night in question. Even more

746
00:56:54.400 --> 00:57:00.800
impressive is that they were both willingly
consenting to submitting their DNA samples for testing

747
00:57:00.880 --> 00:57:05.719
against any DNA evidence found at the
scene. At the scene, these guys

748
00:57:05.719 --> 00:57:07.400
were like, no, we were
not there, you can have my DNA,

749
00:57:07.440 --> 00:57:12.320
do whatever you have to do.
Both men did acknowledge though that they

750
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:16.719
knew Jeremiah, but the connection between
the men was very little, and they

751
00:57:16.760 --> 00:57:23.519
both only vaguely could recall who he
was. And to boot as the investigation,

752
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:28.679
you know, they were questioning the
men both Jr. And Sean only

753
00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:34.679
vaguely knew each other, So the
more investigators questioned the men, the more

754
00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:37.920
obvious became that they didn't know each
other well enough to even hang out,

755
00:57:37.239 --> 00:57:42.000
let alone commit a robbery, abduction, and a heinous murder together. So

756
00:57:42.079 --> 00:57:45.840
on the morning of December twentieth,
two thousand, Major Myrik of the Sheriff's

757
00:57:45.840 --> 00:57:52.320
Office conducted a final videotaped two hour
interview with Jeremiah, and Jeremiah would tell

758
00:57:52.440 --> 00:57:55.800
essentially the same story again that he
did before, you know, leading the

759
00:57:55.800 --> 00:58:00.199
officers to the body, and he
maintained that he was simply riding in the

760
00:58:00.239 --> 00:58:05.760
back seat and although he had been
a passenger in the vehicle during the abduction,

761
00:58:06.320 --> 00:58:09.599
Jr. And Sean were responsible for
her death. Here is the full

762
00:58:09.800 --> 00:58:15.480
final account of what Jeremiah says happened. So in the videotape statement, Jeremiah

763
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:21.280
claimed that he was at a store
called Carrington's on Highway Too when he encountered

764
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.639
Jr. Who he had seen a
quote unquote gang of times in both plane

765
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:30.400
dealing and spring Hill. Jr.
Was driving a van with three African American

766
00:58:30.440 --> 00:58:36.679
men, including Sean, riding as
passengers. Jr. Who Jeremiah had seen

767
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:39.519
at a nightclub in spring Hill the
previous Saturday, told him that they were

768
00:58:39.559 --> 00:58:43.719
going to steal cars and bring them
to a chop shop in New Orleans.

769
00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:49.840
Jeremiah informed the men he quote unquote
needed to go gamble downtown and that the

770
00:58:49.920 --> 00:58:53.880
men should haula at him when they
got down there. After stopping at the

771
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:59.559
dollar Store to purchase a jacket,
Jeremiah went to Kenney's Bar, where he

772
00:58:59.599 --> 00:59:05.679
shot. Jeremiah consumed a single beer
at the establishment, and he won approximately

773
00:59:05.760 --> 00:59:08.880
sixty dollars rolling dice, doubling the
money he had with him when he had

774
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:15.599
first entered the saloon. Jeremiah left
Kenny's and went to another establishment called Jerry's,

775
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:20.239
where he encountered his sister and her
girlfriend. One of the men he

776
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:23.880
had gambled with earlier in the evening
approached Jeremiah and agreed to buy him a

777
00:59:23.880 --> 00:59:29.519
beer or two if he returned to
Kenny's bar. Jeremiah exited the bar shortly

778
00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:32.599
thereafter, and he walked towards the
nearby gambling shack. On the way,

779
00:59:34.079 --> 00:59:37.760
Jeremiah encountered the white van again with
the same four occupants. He entered the

780
00:59:37.880 --> 00:59:43.199
vehicle and the men proceeded to miss
Mary's house, where Jeremiah, Jr.

781
00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:47.599
And Sean exited and the two remaining
men drove off in the van. Jeremiah

782
00:59:47.719 --> 00:59:52.360
ran up to the carport and watched
as Jr. And Sean approached the house,

783
00:59:52.840 --> 00:59:58.800
encountered Miss Mary and demanded her car
keys. Jeremiah maintained he was not

784
00:59:58.920 --> 01:00:05.559
familiar with the house and he had
never seen Miss Mary beforehand. Then Miss

785
01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:09.239
Mary told Jr. And Sean to
take everything you want, and Jeremiah urged

786
01:00:09.280 --> 01:00:14.760
Sean to leave the scene. Jeremiah
grabbed Sean, who was standing over Miss

787
01:00:14.840 --> 01:00:17.840
Mary, who had either been pushed
or had fallen to the floor near the

788
01:00:17.960 --> 01:00:22.760
kitchen. Frustrated that his attempts to
prevent harm to Miss Mary had proven futile,

789
01:00:23.239 --> 01:00:30.159
Jeremiah exited the house alone. Jeremiah
was walking towards Highway two when Jr.

790
01:00:30.199 --> 01:00:34.039
And Sean pulled up, with Miss
Mary sandwiched between the two men in

791
01:00:34.159 --> 01:00:38.519
the front of her vehicle. Jeremiah
then entered the vehicle as Jr. Drove.

792
01:00:38.920 --> 01:00:43.159
Miss Mary asked the men to let
her go, but they proceeded to

793
01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:46.199
the dirt road off of Highway one
sixty. As the car eased down the

794
01:00:46.239 --> 01:00:52.639
dirt road. Miss Mary began to
struggle and Sean struck her twice. Alarmed,

795
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:57.480
Jeremiah jumped out of the vehicle and
Jr. Rolled down the window and

796
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.559
said, quote, bitch, you
tell anybody I swear I'll kill you.

797
01:01:00.920 --> 01:01:05.880
I'll kill somebody in your family.
Jeremiah then ran back to the highway and

798
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:10.039
tried in vain to flag down a
passing vehicle. Jeremiah had walked about twenty

799
01:01:10.079 --> 01:01:15.159
five feet down the highway when Jr. And Sean emerged from the dirt road

800
01:01:15.239 --> 01:01:19.480
in miss Mary's car and drove off. Jeremiah then returned down the trail on

801
01:01:19.559 --> 01:01:22.880
foot to see if the men had
left miss Mary there. He actually tripped

802
01:01:22.880 --> 01:01:28.400
over Miss Mary in the poorly lit
area, and she grabbed at his feet,

803
01:01:28.679 --> 01:01:32.559
and then Miss Mary was gagging and
unable to talk, and Jeremiah held

804
01:01:32.559 --> 01:01:37.679
her in his arms until she stopped
moving. He then laid Miss Mary back

805
01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:40.960
on the ground and returned to the
highway. After a truck had passed him.

806
01:01:42.199 --> 01:01:45.599
He noticed that Miss Mary's vehicle was
in the ditch and it had its

807
01:01:45.599 --> 01:01:50.159
emergency lights flashing. Two cars stopped
at the scene, and Jeremiah told their

808
01:01:50.199 --> 01:01:53.239
occupants that he was okay, but
asked that they called the police. A

809
01:01:53.280 --> 01:01:59.320
truck then stopped at the scene of
the accident, and Officer Crane drove up

810
01:01:59.360 --> 01:02:04.719
in his police unit shortly thereafter.
Jeremiah described Jr. As about six foot

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tall with a medium build and a
mini afro. He normally wore Dicky's brand

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clothing and was associated with the Cripps
the gang. Jeremiah described Sean as approximately

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01:02:15.559 --> 01:02:20.480
six foot two inches tall with a
slightly smaller build than Jeremiah. He thought

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01:02:20.519 --> 01:02:22.360
both men were in their mid twenties, and he had met them at a

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01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:30.719
nightclub located in the back of a
store in Springfield. Jeremiah further claimed he

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01:02:30.760 --> 01:02:35.159
was under the impression Jr. And
Sean would release miss Mary until the men

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turned on the dirt road. He
also maintained he never sat in the front

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01:02:37.960 --> 01:02:43.440
of the vehicle and that accordingly,
his fingerprints would not be found there.

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Major Myrick then stated while he believed
Jeremiah had told nine ninety five percent of

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01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:54.400
the story, several portions of his
statement still appeared to be implausible, and

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01:02:54.519 --> 01:03:00.239
while this story may have sounded reasonable
in his own head, there were too

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01:03:00.280 --> 01:03:04.679
many aspects of the case that just
didn't make sense or were completely unbelievable.

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01:03:05.320 --> 01:03:09.599
So Major Myrik directly confronted Jeremiah with
the facts that they knew to be untrue

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01:03:09.639 --> 01:03:15.039
based on the witnesses and proving that
his story made for some big contradictions.

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Rather than address the inconsistencies and try
to explain, Jeremiah simply said, I

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want an attorney, so specifically for
your knowledge, the officer informed Jeremiah one

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Deputy Crean had personally observed the vehicle
wreck and that no other individuals had exited

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the vehicle. Number two, there
existed no footprints on the dirt trail from

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the highway leading to miss Mary's body. Number three. If the perpetrator's intent

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was to steal a car and to
chop it up and sell it for parts,

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01:03:49.719 --> 01:03:52.000
then they wouldn't go to an unknown
residence to get a five or six

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01:03:52.119 --> 01:03:55.360
year old, four door oldsmobile.
It'd be more likely that they would go

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01:03:55.440 --> 01:04:00.840
jack somebody at a red light in
a nice car and then number. The

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blood patterns on Jeremiah's clothing appeared to
be spatter or spray, which did not

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01:04:06.320 --> 01:04:11.480
coincide with his story of holding miss
Mary in her arms while she died.

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It was high impact blood spatter,
meaning that she had to have been being

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01:04:15.000 --> 01:04:19.360
struck. So when Jeremiah maintained,
look, no, I told the truth

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01:04:20.000 --> 01:04:23.199
and nothing but the truth, that's
when he said, all right, I

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want an attorney. And so they
concluded the interview, and due to the

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01:04:26.440 --> 01:04:30.239
law, the officers had no choice
but to stop the interrogation because, after

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01:04:30.320 --> 01:04:32.599
all, you have the right to
remain silent and anything you say can and

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01:04:32.639 --> 01:04:36.119
will be used against you in a
court of law. In the meantime,

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01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:43.280
the police investigation uncovered various items of
physical evidence that helped build the practical case

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01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:47.039
against Jeremiah. While you know,
they had the circumstantial evidence so far,

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01:04:47.079 --> 01:04:49.920
and that's great, science was going
to have to really pick up the slack

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01:04:50.000 --> 01:04:54.880
here and make that connection that Jeremiah
was actually the one that had killed Miss

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01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:57.639
Mary. So the crime lab had, you know, they did their thing.

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01:04:57.920 --> 01:05:02.639
They completed DNA analysis of submitted samples, including those of both Sean and

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01:05:02.760 --> 01:05:08.199
Jr. And, as you probably
guessed to this point, the testing effectively

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01:05:08.400 --> 01:05:13.719
excluded both men as perpetrators involved in
the murder of Miss Mary. It had

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01:05:13.800 --> 01:05:18.199
all been an elaborate lie with Jeremiah
basically pulling random names from a make believe

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01:05:18.239 --> 01:05:24.400
hat to throw underneath the bus.
So subsequent DNA analysis did, however,

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01:05:24.519 --> 01:05:29.920
show that there was blood found on
Jeremiah's pants, and that blood did definitively

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01:05:29.960 --> 01:05:33.360
belong to Miss Mary. So again, it seems odd that there would be

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01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:39.880
blood transferred from a dead woman on
the ground outside by simply stumbling upon her

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01:05:39.960 --> 01:05:41.840
and then you just keep walking back. I mean, the whole thing is

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01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:46.320
just ludicrous. There was also another
pretty big piece of evidence that had been

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01:05:46.320 --> 01:05:53.519
recovered from the car. Unbeknownst to
Jeremiah, Detective Danny Lemoyne was looking through

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01:05:53.559 --> 01:05:58.239
Miss Mary's vehicle after the wreck,
and he happened to lift the floor mats

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01:05:58.639 --> 01:06:02.039
and you'll never guess what he discovered
underneath them. A knife, and that

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01:06:02.119 --> 01:06:08.840
knife would be matched to the missing
dinner knife from the homes set, and

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01:06:08.960 --> 01:06:13.800
later during her autopsy, the coroner
would compare the blade to the serrated marks

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01:06:13.840 --> 01:06:17.440
found on her throat, as well
as another laceration across her forehead, and

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01:06:17.639 --> 01:06:21.599
he would conclude that this knife was
likely the one that caused all of her

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01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:27.400
wounds. So the totality of circumstances
was just too much for Jeremiah manning to

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01:06:27.440 --> 01:06:30.480
explain or to excuse away, and
on January sixteenth, in two thousand and

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01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:34.920
one, a Bosier Parish grand jury
indicted him for the first degree murder of

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01:06:35.039 --> 01:06:42.000
Mary Ann Malone. Even worse for
Jeremiah was that only two days after his

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01:06:42.079 --> 01:06:46.559
indictment, the state then filed its
notice to intend to seek the death penalty,

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01:06:47.480 --> 01:06:50.559
so it would be roughly a year
before this case would actually go to

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01:06:50.639 --> 01:06:54.719
trial. But on May sixth,
two thousand and two, which by the

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01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:57.880
way, was literally when I was
walking across the stage at my high school

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01:06:57.920 --> 01:07:03.360
graduation, unanimous jury found Jeremiah guilty
as charged. And one of my favorite

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01:07:03.360 --> 01:07:08.159
parts of the conclusion of this story
is that as Jeremiah tried to weasel his

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01:07:08.199 --> 01:07:12.400
way out of his own conflicting stories, he didn't know one thing. If

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01:07:12.400 --> 01:07:17.800
you paid attention earlier when I was
talking about their questioning of him, Jeremiah

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01:07:17.880 --> 01:07:21.800
kept doubling down on all of his
explanations of events that horrible day, right.

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01:07:23.239 --> 01:07:27.719
But what Jeremiah wasn't aware of is
that that final interview had been videotaped,

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01:07:28.480 --> 01:07:32.000
so all of his lies that he
kept doubling down on were proven in

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01:07:32.079 --> 01:07:36.599
his own words and the video doesn't
lie. When it came time for the

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01:07:36.599 --> 01:07:42.360
death penalty phase of the trial,
the jury unanimously returned a verdict of death

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01:07:42.840 --> 01:07:46.639
and they explained why they had come
to this finding, and they cited multiple

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01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:53.639
aggravating circumstances, which are actions and
circumstances that make already horrible crime even worse.

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01:07:54.039 --> 01:07:58.840
Number one, Jeremiah was engaged in
the perpetration of an aggravated kidnapping,

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01:07:59.480 --> 01:08:05.920
and number two two his offense they
felt was especially heinous, atrocious, or

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01:08:05.920 --> 01:08:13.199
cruel in manner. So Jeremiah would
eventually make several appeals to his conviction and

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01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:16.359
sentencing, and he would raise claims
that there were over forty seven issues with

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01:08:16.439 --> 01:08:20.800
his case, but the appellate courts
would ultimately affirm his conviction and his sentence.

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01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:26.880
Today, Jeremiah is on death row
and he waits to be executed at

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01:08:26.920 --> 01:08:31.760
Louisiana State Penitentiary at Angola. He
does, however, hope that someone will

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01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:36.359
be his penpal. I was looking
him up, and among other things,

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01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:42.359
he touts his ability to not judge
and that he is very open minded and

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01:08:42.479 --> 01:08:46.520
willing to share his life's story with
you. His only wish y'all, he

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01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:51.439
wants to find true friendship. I
don't know. Maybe miss Mary would have

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01:08:51.479 --> 01:08:57.560
been happy to befriend him before he
robbed, kidnapped, and heinously murdered her.

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01:08:58.960 --> 01:09:03.359
So, Jeremiah, you had to
bring a weapon to scare an old

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01:09:03.439 --> 01:09:08.600
lady, and I think it was
your ultimate goal to kill her. I

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01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:13.039
don't think she ever stood a chance. And so while you may be open

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01:09:13.119 --> 01:09:18.199
minded and wanting real friendship, that
ship has sailed, my friend, You,

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01:09:18.279 --> 01:09:21.880
sir, have shown your true colors. And while you may have been

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01:09:23.000 --> 01:09:29.079
dangerous on the streets, society can
rest easy knowing you're behind bars when it

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01:09:29.079 --> 01:09:32.039
comes to being a criminal. You
made your decisions, you chose your weapon,

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01:09:32.279 --> 01:09:35.720
and you executed your plan. And
then once you were in the hot

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01:09:35.760 --> 01:09:41.279
seat and you had to be questioned, you thought that you were going to

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01:09:41.359 --> 01:09:45.000
win the battle of wits against officers. But it seems painfully obvious that when

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01:09:45.039 --> 01:09:48.880
it comes to fighting with your intelligence, you continue to remain unarmed.