Oct. 9, 2024

Consequences of Deception: Casey Anthony

Consequences of Deception: Casey Anthony

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In this episode, KJ breaks down the the tragic case of Kaylee Anthony and her mother, Casey Anthony. Kelly details Casey’s inconsistent narrative when reporting Kaylee missing, explore her lifestyle filled with partying, and the emotional turmoil faced by Kaylee's grandparents.

Kelly also reveals the forensic findings that led to Kaylee’s remains being discovered, alongside evidence suggesting Casey's guilt. The episode also delves into the trial’s media frenzy, the defense's controversial tactics, and the haunting 911 calls from Cindy, raising questions about justice and the consequences of deception.

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Timestamps
03:33 The Anthony Family Background
06:39 Casey's Unconventional Motherhood
13:34 Kaylee Marie Anthony
16:05 The Anthony Family Dynamic
17:04 Casey's Return to Work
23:17 The Boyfriend and Night Out
24:18 Father's Day Activities
27:02 Casey's Deceptive Parenting
29:28 A Shift in Focus
38:58 The Search for Kaylee
43:10 The Growing Concern
48:13 The Search Intensifies
1:01:32 Call for Help
1:28:45 Lies Unraveled
1:34:01 Casey's Arrest
1:42:34 Discovery of Remains

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,

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kJ He're back for another episode of Unspeakable. How is

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it going? I got to tell you we finished Fallfest

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this weekend. I had such a good time. Thank you

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to every single person that came by and told me

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hello and bought merch from me and all of that.

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to me. If you're a new listener, maybe you met

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me or heard me speak at that Live Oak Junior

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High event for kids where I kind of churched up

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an episode and talked to them about the dangers of

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online social media. I could tell you five to six kids,

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and maybe that doesn't mean a lot to you.

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It meant the world to me.

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Five to six kids came up to me at Springfest

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excuse me, fall Fest and said, are you that lady

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that came and spoke to us? I said, yeah, that

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was me, and they said thank you for coming. I

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actually went in and turned off all my Snapchat locations

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so that nobody can find me. And to me, you

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can't quantify what that means because a child never kidnapped

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as a win, but how do you quantify that?

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So meant a lot to me.

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If you are local and you have outreached that you

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want done at your elementary school, or your middle school,

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middle school or mental school, hell, just reach out to me.

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can fit into my schedule. Also, it's breast cancer Awareness month, Heller.

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If you've got boobies, go get them things checked. We

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need you around, We need you to be here for

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your family and your friends, and so to everyone who's

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done so already, great job this year. If not, go

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get it done. And if you're fighting the good fight

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right now, I'm there with.

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You and you can do this. Trust me, you can

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do this.

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And all the power to you, all my prayers and

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all blessings from above if you're fighting that battle now.

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The episode today is one that I.

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Y'all, I hate this girl. Hate is such a strong word.

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You shouldn't say that, but I'm saying it because if

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you know who Casey Anthony is, you gotta be there

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with me already.

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The Jesus loves her and I'm trying. That's all I

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can tell you.

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But when I found out that allegedly on TikTok, that

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she is supposedly dating a married father of two, it

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just brought her back up in my mind. I had

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put her aside because she just is so irrelevant to

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my world. But she's back, and I thought, you know what,

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we need to talk about that ho.

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So that's why I'm here today.

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I'm gonna talk about this episode in this case. And look,

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by now, I know we all probably know Casey Anthony.

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I remember watching the trial. I was so invested in

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it whenever it came up, and it's been a frequent

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also request of people that keep sending me my listeners saying, hey,

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will you please do the Casey Anthony case.

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And so I'm gonna oblige you. I'm gonna do it today.

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And my perspective though, is going to be more of

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you know, so many people say how could thirty one

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days go by?

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How and not necessarily just with.

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Casey Anthony, but with her parents not seeing the child

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for thirty one days.

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So my perspective is more of.

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From the viewpoint of what the parents of Casey Anthony

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would have gone through, if that makes sense. So we're

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going to go back to Orlando in two thousand and eight.

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I know exactly where I was when this case really

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jumped to the forefront because I had just given birth

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to my first born and just three days prior. Matter

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of fact, she was three days old when this entire

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case started, but I wouldn't know it obviously until years

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later whenever it went to trial. So when my then

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three day old baby girl was born when this went

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to trial, she was then the exact same age that

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Kaylee Anthony was whenever the case took place. So it

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just she looked like my little girl too, and something

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about it just pulled at my heart strings because I

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couldn't imagine what these people went through. And it all

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started with that infamous nine to one one call that

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spiraled out of control from a mother who was upset

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with her daughter because the daughter had stolen money, and

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then it ended unexpectedly with an admission that her then

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granddaughter was kidnapped. George and Cindy Anthony, right, these were

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the grandparents. They met at a hospital back in nineteen

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like the nineteen eighties, and that's whenever George's sister was

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in the hospital and Cindy was actually a nurse that

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was there, and so they met in the hospital and

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would then date and marry in nineteen eighty one and

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they got married in Ohio and he was working as

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a police officer. He was an undercover drug agent with

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the local Sheriff's office, and Cindy was working as a nurse.

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Cindy looks like the proverbial you know mom, I don't know.

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She's got that short, short haircut, and she's a pretty lady.

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She cares about her kids, and she is trying to

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be the best mama that she can be. George Anthony,

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he's a nice looking man. He's now going to be

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older whenever this case really comes to the forefront. He's

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got that white hair and he's real tan he's got

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dark eyebrows, well spoken. Both of them are articulate people

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and just seemed to be good people when their life

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pretty much blew up in front of the world. So

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they got married. They eventually became the loving parents to

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two children. It was going to be older brother. His

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name was Lee Anthony. He was born in nineteen eighty two,

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and then four years later came Casey Anthony in nineteen

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eighty six. So when this is really going to start

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taking place, though, is when Casey was nineteen and Lee

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was now in his mid to late twenties. So Casey's

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nineteen and she's still living at home. Lee had moved out,

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and the Anthony's are unexpectedly blessed with a granddaughter named Kaylee.

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And I say unexpectedly because Casey wasn't married or anything.

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She was nineteen.

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She became pregnant and she was not self sufficient, she

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was not out on her own. So they took the

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you know, took over, I guess, and said, look, we'll

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support you through this pregnancy. We are going to help

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you with this child, and we're going to do everything

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we can for the both of you no matter what happens.

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And something about the pregnancy too.

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I don't think a lot of people know this is

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that they didn't find out about Casey's pregnancy right on.

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They didn't find out until she was like six to

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seven months pregnant. She wouldn't tell them. She kind of

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kept it a secret until it came to the point

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that it was like she had to say something because

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she was getting round, you know, and they were going

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to figure it out. So she told her mom first,

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and then they all sat down together on the couch

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in the house and Cindy and Casey were like, look,

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we need to tell you something to mister George, and

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that's when they let him know you're going to be

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a grandpa. Casey is pregnant, and being quite honest, you know, George.

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Wasn't that thrilled at first.

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He's like, my god, you're nineteen, you're not married, you

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don't have anything established, you know what about your education.

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But quickly, very quickly, he came around and was soon

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very elated to know that he was going to have

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a grand baby, a little girl, and he could not.

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Wait to love on her.

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So both Cindy and George were in the delivery room

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whenever Kaylee was born and you know. They described it

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as just overwhelming, They just overwhelming joy something so incredibly special,

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not only to see a child born, but to see

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your own child fight to go through labor and then

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bring their grandchild into the world. They both found it

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to be incredibly special, incredibly moving, and were touched to

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be a part of that journey. So after Kaylee was born,

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it kind of became apparent pretty quickly that they were

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going to be more than just helping Casey. They were

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really going to be raising her, doing a majority of

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the work. This wasn't officially on paper or anything like that,

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but everybody who knew them knew that Casey wasn't really

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the mom. You know, she gave birth, but she wasn't

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the caretaker. The grandparents really were the ones that really

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doted on her. Casey may have given birth to her,

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but Casey Casey's parents were the only true constance in

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her life that provided stability and love that only a caring, mature.

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Person would be able to provide for a child.

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Casey was never a person who struck me as anything

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but selfish, So she seemed to someone who would just

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say whatever came to mind, whatever you know, would appease

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the moment and make it easier for Casey. It wasn't

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necessarily what was best for or the truth of what

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was going on. For example, no one even knows who

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Kaylee's father is. Like to this day, no one has

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been able to identify who the father of Kayleie is.

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Kaylee was born on August ninth of two thousand and five,

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and whenever she was born, Casey supposedly said that her

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fiance at the time his name was Jesse Grund, supposedly

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he was the father of Kaylee. But then later on

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she switched and said that, oh no, it's this other guy.

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He died in a car crash and he's the actual

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true father of Kaylee. So when she did say that

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she was pregnant, George wanted to know who the father was, and,

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as any man who wanted to protect his daughter would,

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he was like, look, who is this guy. I'd like

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to get to know him, and I want to honestly

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know what are his plans to take care of you

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and the responsibility of this baby that's coming into the world.

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But that kind of turned into a crapshoot, I guess

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because Casey wasn't really forthcoming with that, and George decided

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just to let it go. It wasn't worth a fight

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at that moment. The baby's coming either way. They all

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believed though, when she was born, that Jesse was the father,

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and they opened their home to him. Although George's first

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impression of him was not very good. He was not

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impressed with him when he first met him, but he

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was gonna do what he thought was best to keep things,

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you know, happy, in the home so that they could

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raise this baby together kind of as a family. But

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eventually Jesse went and got a paternity test and then

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guess what happened from there in Maury Povich style, Jesse,

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you are not the father. But Casey didn't get up

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and run off camera and scream and holler. She just

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remembers switched the story and was like, oh, well, it

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must be the guy that died. How convenient never really

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knew for a fact who it was. So how do

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you not know your baby daddy? Like for real, though,

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how do you not know? Or is it the fact

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that you lied to give men a reason to stay

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with you even though you didn't know, because you're kind

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of like, uh, you know, that's allegedly I don't know

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who all she was banging, but she surely didn't know

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her baby's daddy.

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We'll just leave it at that.

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Whatever the reason, Casey's parents did what decent people do

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and they just decided to keep helping her.

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So, like I said, George was a police officer.

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He had worked his way up to detective, which you're

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not going to make detective if you're not a good

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police officer. And Cindy was a nurse who had now

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by this point, worked her way up into a management

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position overseeing.

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All in all, they were.

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A successful, middle class family and they had a nice

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home on a quiet street in Orlando. After Kaylee was born,

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there was a time that Cindy and George kind of

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went through a marital rut and they were struggling financially.

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Seemed to be what the issue was.

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And then it was exacerbated by the fact that George

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started doing some online gambling and it just kind of,

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you know, tipped them over the edge. Cindy got mad

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and it was just bad timing and it really tested

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the waters in their marriage, so much so that for

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a few months George even moved out, but eventually he

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did come back home.

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He didn't do anything devious. It wasn't evil.

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I just think from my observations, it was an overwhelming

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stress that had been building it just like I said,

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tipped him over the edge and they took a break

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from one another. But they did love one another. They

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did work things out, and George moved back into the home.

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They all loved their granddaughter. When I say loved, I

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mean doted on her for all three years of her

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life up until this case kind of took off. Kayleie y'all,

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by the way, is absolutely precious. If you don't know

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this case, I'm gonna put pictures up on my Patreon

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and on Facebook and all that.

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You can google her and you can look her up.

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My favorite picture of her, by far is the one

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where her chin is kind of resting on her little

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hands and she's gazing off into the distance and she's

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just angelic. She's, you know, just just a precious baby girl.

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And that's not someone just said that because she's the

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center of this case. She literally is absolutely precious. The

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other one that grabbed my attention about, you know, of

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her is she's itty bitty. I think she's sitting in

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a car seat if I remember properly, and she's got

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on a baseball cap and she's just staring into the camera.

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And it's selfishly one that I think about and am

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drawn too, because I have almost an exact same photo

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of my own daughter, like I told you, who was

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the same age at the time this came about, and

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she has the same hat on, and it's just so

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relatable to look at. It's like I'm looking at my

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own kid. You can't help but just want to just

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ough hug her, grab this baby up and love on her.

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So Kaylee.

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Marie Anthony was just I have three years old when

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this took off. She had shoulder lengked brown hair. She

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had her little bangs and her little teeth, y'all. They

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were so sweet. She still had the little toddler teeth.

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They had the kind of little gaps behind, you know,

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between them, and they're rounded and cute, you know, before

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your teeth fall out and then we all go through

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the wacky face of struggling with those teeth when we're

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growing into them.

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She was almost three feet tall. She was a little

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tiny thing.

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She has big, hazey kind of brownish hazely eyes and

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fair skinned, itty bitty thing. A little birthmark on her

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left shoulder was like a little line on her shoulder,

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and she oozes innocence. And her pictures she's often seen

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carrying a little baby doll or she's wearing her little

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plastic jewelry and feeling fancy about herself.

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Fake.

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Sure, cheap, little crap jewelry from Walmart, Yes, but that

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little baby felt fancy in it. She loved it, and

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she also loved her mommy. She didn't know how much

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her mommy would be a liar. She didn't know how

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much her mom honestly kind of dumped her off with

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the grandparents. She didn't realize all of that. She didn't

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think about the fact that her mom acted more like

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an immature sister than she did a mother. Casey was

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the only person that she knew to call mama, and

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she loved her mommy instinctually, that natural love from a kid.

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And Cindy and George Anthony gave Kaylee everything, everything that

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that child could want. So they were known as Jojo

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and Ceci to her, and they were obsessed with her.

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They loved her two pieces. They even gave her her

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own bedroom, decorated it to the hill top to bottom,

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it was a Winnie.

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The Pooh theme.

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They put a pool in the backyard and even a playhouse,

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and that playhouse was so.

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Decorated and so cutesy.

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It even had its own mailbox on it so she

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could play male in her little house. Hugs and kisses

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and homed cooked meals they were the norm in this household.

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And they constantly took pictures of this little granddaughter that

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they loved fiercely.

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God did they love her now.

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Casey had been employed at Universal Studios prior to her pregnancy,

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and after completing her maternity leave, she had returned to

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work and things were kind of looking up for the

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single mom. She was adjusting and she was going to work,

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and her parents decided, you know, like I said, they're

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going to help her, but you've got to work hard,

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and you've got to have determination, and you've got to

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go do the right things, Casey. And eventually, if you

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do this, you're you may be on your own and

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feel like you're on your own right now, but we

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are here. Eventually you'll succeed. But right now, we are

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committed and we will be your safety net. But you've

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got to work at this.

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You're a mom now.

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So Casey would get up every day. Every morning, she

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would get dressed, she would put on her Universal Studios uniform,

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even attaching her ID from so she could scan in,

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tell her parents by, and then she would head off

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to work. She returned late in the evening, tired from

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the event planning that was her job at Universal, so

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she was consistent. She maintained this employment for you know,

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two years and then beyond. And she also had told

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her parents that she had gotten a part time job

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or an additional job at the local sporting store of

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the sports authority. But eventually, and you know, I don't

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think that the Anthony's get enough credit for this. The parents.

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You know your kids, good, bad, are and different. You

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know your kids.

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And George kind.

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Of started having a feeling that Casey was lying about

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having a job at that sports authority.

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He was like thinking to himself, I don't know if

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she really works here.

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I remember he's a detective, or he was a detective.

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He had moved on to another job at this point.

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And I don't know why he felt this. I don't

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have answers. I just know that his gut was telling him,

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I don't know if she's going to work, and he

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was curious enough that one day he actually drove up

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to the sports Authority when she was working and he

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was going to take Casey to lunch.

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He was going to be kind to her and take

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her to lunch.

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And when he arrived, he walked in and he asked

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the greet there, Hey, I'm George Anthony. I'm Casey Anthony's dad.

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Can you tell me where she is? And the worker

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kind of screwed up his face and looked at him

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and said who, And he said Casey Anthony and he

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was like, I don't know anybody that works here by

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that name. So George then said, well, can I speak

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to your manager? Then a manager came out. He introduced

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himself again said my daughter works here, and the manager

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said I'm sorry, sir, but there's nobody that works here

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by the name of Casey Anthony. So his thoughts were

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really confirmed. I'm sure he was very disappointed in this,

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like why would you lie about that? Why would you

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lie about a second job?

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Like damn?

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So when he got home, he brought what he had

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found out to Sindy's attention. But this was also kind

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of during that time of their marital troubles that they

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were having, and it just began a fight, which seemed

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to kind of just you know, they had a lot

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going on right now and they were kind of in

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a rough spot. It just started a fight. Casey's claiming

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that Dad's lying. Mom's already irritated with Dad, and so

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it just seemed best if they dropped it rather than

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just continuing to open that can of worms and start,

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you know, attacking Casey and fuscinate Casey.

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So they did. They dropped it. Well.

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George had moved by this point to a security based

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job and he was working now shifts from three pm

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to eleven pm, while Cindy had more traditional hours of

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like eight to five pm. So although life can look

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like really good, you know from the outside, behind closed doors,

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and y'all, this is the same for all of us,

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and we have to get over the fact that we

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struggle behind door. Everybody's got struggles behind closed doors. I do,

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Jim does, We all do. We all have our own

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personal problems. And I'm not judging the Anthonys for letting

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that argument go. I think sometimes you just have to

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let things go for the peace and sanity of the home.

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So they had these traditional hours, or Cindy did, and

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George is working at night, and all though it looked

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good on the outside, behind closed doors, they had struggles

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and they had frustrations, just like all of us. So

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it was on June fifteenth of two thousand and eight.

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It was Father's Day and the Anthony household had average

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plans for that day.

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George had to work.

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And Cindy decided that she was going to take little

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Kaylee to see her great grandfather. So this would have

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been Cindy's dad, and her dad was living in a

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nursing home. Kaylee loved visiting him. She called him Papa,

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or her papa as she would say. And so they

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hung out for a while at the nursing home. They colored,

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they sang songs, and she just snuggled up on the

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old man in such a simple but organically natural show

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of love.

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From a child, and it was beautiful.

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After they had that little lovely visit, they went back

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home and Cindy put her in her little swimsuit. Cindy

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put on hers, and they went outside and they swam

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together in the backyard, just enjoying each other's company and

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absorbing these precious moments, laughing splashing and just enjoying the

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ease of a Sunday. Her favorite movies, by the way,

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when they got out of the pool and watched some TV.

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Her favorite movies were one hundred and one Dalmatians, which

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Kaylee called Daldao, and she loved Lady.

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In the Tramp.

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And I'm gonna have to applaud her because I think

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those are two great choices.

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I love Lady in the Tramp.

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Now, Casey wasn't with them during this day, So where

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was Casey. Casey was with her new boyfriend. His name

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was Tonya Lazarro, and she was with him all day.

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She actually didn't return to the house until around seven

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thirty that evening. Now his name was Anthony, but he

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went by Tony Tony Lazarro. How did she meet this guy? Well,

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I'm gonna tell you because I kind of think it

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lends itself to what kind of person Casey was. Tony

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was kind of like a promoter, and he liked to

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throw parties and do all the stuff like young twenty

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somethings are really into. And so he had made a

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Facebook post, like an event on Facebook, and he invited

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everyone that they were all friends with him and his

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friend groups.

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A friends group, he.

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Invited everyone that they could in a mass invite to

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his buddy's birthday party that they were throwing for him. Well,

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it turns out Casey was one of the people in

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the hundreds of invites that they sent out, and she

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actually responded and said yes, I'm coming. So when she

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got there, the two of them kind of hit it off.

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They started hanging out together. He thought she was hot,

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and so they started spending more time together. Even after

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the party. She would go by his apartment and they

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would go do stuff. She occasionally brought Kaylee with her.

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One time I know that she went over there with Kaylee.

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They went down to the pool and they swam, and

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he would see Kaylee on other occasions whenever, like, for instance,

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one time he was going to the mall to hand

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out these flyers to promote a club like a club

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appearance that would be our party that was going on,

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and so Casey and Kaylee went with him. They split

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off into their own thing when he was done. Then

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they met back up and they went NATed the cheesecake factory.

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But he didn't.

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He didn't like father Kaylee or spend an enormous amount

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of time with Kaylee.

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It was more like, oh, this is a girl and

468
00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:09.799
Dayton and she has a daughter.

469
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:14.480
So Casey's family had a regular evening and by that

470
00:24:14.720 --> 00:24:17.240
night everyone was settled in and they were ready, you know,

471
00:24:17.279 --> 00:24:19.720
to start the work week to come. The following day,

472
00:24:19.759 --> 00:24:23.240
which would have been Monday, June sixteenth, Cindy left out

473
00:24:23.240 --> 00:24:25.839
for work around seven thirty in the morning, and George

474
00:24:25.839 --> 00:24:28.680
Anthony got up really early that morning and he decided

475
00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:30.920
that he was gonna have breakfast with Kaylee, and that

476
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:31.519
was normal.

477
00:24:31.559 --> 00:24:32.599
He would get up with their.

478
00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:37.160
Feeder, they would color watch TV, all that jazz. Casey

479
00:24:37.279 --> 00:24:41.279
didn't get up until around eleven, and when she did

480
00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:44.559
get up, she did, you know, some stuff. Before she

481
00:24:44.599 --> 00:24:47.680
got dressed. She logged into her social media. She was

482
00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:50.880
texting her boyfriend. Then she got ready for work, and

483
00:24:51.119 --> 00:24:53.200
I just I'm gonna let you know that Casey was

484
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:56.599
very into her social media. That was like her persona.

485
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.680
She was always logged into it, always uploading photos, you

486
00:24:59.680 --> 00:25:04.319
know whatever for young people that might be listening. She

487
00:25:04.559 --> 00:25:07.680
was getting on things like MySpace, and MySpace was the

488
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:10.519
original Facebook. I guess if you want to think of

489
00:25:10.559 --> 00:25:13.400
it that way, it's now you know out nobody uses

490
00:25:13.400 --> 00:25:15.759
it anymore, but there was MySpace, and Facebook was kind

491
00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:17.759
of like the Instagram of the time, if you need

492
00:25:17.759 --> 00:25:21.839
something to kind of compare it to. After this, when

493
00:25:21.880 --> 00:25:25.920
she got ready and had messaged her boyfriend and uploaded

494
00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:28.640
some stuff, there was a break in her social media

495
00:25:28.720 --> 00:25:30.160
usage for just a little bit.

496
00:25:30.480 --> 00:25:32.279
And then shortly before noon.

497
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.279
Casey was back on the computer and she was uploading

498
00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:39.319
a picture from the Fusion Nightclub to her photo bucket

499
00:25:39.359 --> 00:25:43.799
account online. Then her boyfriend Tony called her. This is

500
00:25:43.799 --> 00:25:46.240
about eleven forty seven am and they had about a

501
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:49.559
twenty minute conversation before Casey left the house.

502
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.000
When she left, Casey took Kaylee with her.

503
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:56.720
Kaylee was dressed in a pink shirt, blue shorts, a backpack,

504
00:25:56.759 --> 00:25:58.920
and I think she did have sunglasses on, if I'm

505
00:25:58.920 --> 00:26:02.720
not mistaken. So George walked out to the car with them.

506
00:26:03.200 --> 00:26:06.359
He kissed and hugged on his little grand baby. He

507
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:09.359
told her goodbye. Casey strapped her into the car seat

508
00:26:09.759 --> 00:26:12.960
and backed out of the driveway. They were out and

509
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:17.079
about and on their way. Casey though, I've got to

510
00:26:17.160 --> 00:26:18.599
jump back in here real quick and tell you that

511
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:20.319
Casey was a difficult person.

512
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:20.799
To love.

513
00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:22.680
And what do I mean by that?

514
00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:29.400
Casey is so incredibly self indulgent, very self.

515
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:35.920
Centered. It's all about Casey her life. Everyone else is

516
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:36.519
just like.

517
00:26:36.480 --> 00:26:39.079
You know, She's main character energy, I guess, and everybody

518
00:26:39.119 --> 00:26:41.440
else is just kind of in it. She thought a

519
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:43.480
lot of herself, and I'm not saying this to be

520
00:26:43.559 --> 00:26:44.200
me and her judge.

521
00:26:44.880 --> 00:26:45.359
She did.

522
00:26:45.839 --> 00:26:49.480
And she is traditionally pretty, if I'm being honest. She's

523
00:26:49.519 --> 00:26:53.359
about five foot one, she's skinny, she's got big boobs. Okay,

524
00:26:53.880 --> 00:26:58.240
guys liked her. She had short, brown, sassy like Bob

525
00:26:58.279 --> 00:27:01.440
little haircut. She's got big blue eyes. She does have

526
00:27:01.519 --> 00:27:05.480
elf ears though, and yes I said it. Her ears

527
00:27:05.480 --> 00:27:09.480
look like the Keebler elf but her hair kind of

528
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:11.799
hid them. And by the way, shout out to the

529
00:27:11.880 --> 00:27:13.640
Keebler elves if you think are be and me into them.

530
00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:15.680
I do love their cookies. You guys, keep cooking and

531
00:27:15.720 --> 00:27:17.799
doing what you do, all right, But she's got these

532
00:27:17.799 --> 00:27:22.200
elf ears that are pointed. She loved to go out

533
00:27:22.240 --> 00:27:26.480
and party, she loved to dress up, she loved tight clothing,

534
00:27:26.599 --> 00:27:30.079
she liked to show off, and she really loved being

535
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:35.440
the center of attention, thriving off of male attention. But

536
00:27:35.640 --> 00:27:37.960
when I'm telling you this, I do keep this in mind.

537
00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.920
She was in her early twenties, and some of her

538
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.519
social behaviors, I guess, do align.

539
00:27:43.319 --> 00:27:46.039
With that age group, Okay, young twenties.

540
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:50.240
Regardless, though, she left the parenting of Kaylee mainly to

541
00:27:50.319 --> 00:27:53.680
her parents, and I got the feeling that she really

542
00:27:53.759 --> 00:27:57.200
only quote unquote parented Kaylee when there was a photo

543
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.200
opportunity or she was being praised being a mom. If

544
00:28:01.240 --> 00:28:03.720
you know the type of person I'm talking about, she

545
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:08.119
was that. But before she drove away with Kaylee on

546
00:28:08.200 --> 00:28:12.119
Father's Day, she told her parents that she was gonna

547
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:14.799
have Kaylee spending the night with a nanny and that

548
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:18.559
nanny's name was Zenaida Gonzalez and she called her Zanny

549
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:23.039
for short, and Kaylee that morning even came out and

550
00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:26.160
when her papa asked her, Hey, what what you doing today?

551
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:27.359
Or what you know? What do y'all doing?

552
00:28:27.519 --> 00:28:31.240
Just in small talk and conversation, Kaylee even told him

553
00:28:31.640 --> 00:28:32.640
going to Zannie's.

554
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:36.599
So as they backed out of that driveway.

555
00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:39.799
George Blue Kaylee a kiss, said Jojo loves you. She responded,

556
00:28:39.839 --> 00:28:43.039
I love you, Jojo, And then Casey, as we know,

557
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:45.880
drove away. As she drove away, she also exchanged a

558
00:28:45.880 --> 00:28:50.519
few more text messages with Tony, her boyfriend. That night,

559
00:28:50.920 --> 00:28:54.200
once Kaylee was safe with Zanny, Casey decided to step

560
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.480
out and go to Blockbuster with the boyfriend to rent

561
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:58.000
a movie.

562
00:28:58.240 --> 00:29:00.839
And here's where I stopped, like the the little old

563
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:02.920
lady that I am, and I explain what a.

564
00:29:02.839 --> 00:29:06.319
Blockbuster is to the youngins who may not know what

565
00:29:06.400 --> 00:29:07.119
that means in.

566
00:29:07.079 --> 00:29:08.960
Your world of Netflix and YouTube.

567
00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:11.759
But Blockbuster used to be a store where you would

568
00:29:11.799 --> 00:29:14.079
go in and all the new releases of movies would

569
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:15.880
be there on VHS.

570
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.559
Which is the old school type of movies.

571
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:19.279
And you would browse that and then you would pick

572
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:22.000
a movie, check it out, go watch it, and then

573
00:29:22.039 --> 00:29:25.920
you would have to return it. Now, since this is

574
00:29:25.920 --> 00:29:28.640
a case that a majority of people have heard of before,

575
00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:32.880
my position on the next part of this is going

576
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:35.440
to be I want to give you the next thirty

577
00:29:35.559 --> 00:29:41.000
days or so from the viewpoint of Casey's parents, Kaylee's grandparents,

578
00:29:41.599 --> 00:29:43.839
as well as kind of like some evidence that comes

579
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:48.200
out and as it happens, so you know, I could

580
00:29:48.200 --> 00:29:50.839
be telling you the story like we think it goes

581
00:29:50.880 --> 00:29:52.759
and they come back and then call her out on

582
00:29:52.880 --> 00:29:55.640
things that aren't what they see. But instead, a lot

583
00:29:55.640 --> 00:29:59.039
of people always go how could the grandparents who basically

584
00:29:59.119 --> 00:30:03.759
raise the child, how could they know that they haven't

585
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:06.559
seen their grandchild in thirty one days and just not

586
00:30:06.720 --> 00:30:07.680
have a problem with that.

587
00:30:08.079 --> 00:30:11.200
Well, I'm going to present it to you from their viewpoint.

588
00:30:11.440 --> 00:30:15.759
So it's June sixteenth, and it's seven forty eight pm

589
00:30:15.799 --> 00:30:18.880
when Casey and Tony entered that store to rent the

590
00:30:18.920 --> 00:30:21.640
movies that they wanted to And I want you to

591
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.519
know in the video if you watch them, because there

592
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:28.519
was closed circuit television. They are cuddled up together, Casey's

593
00:30:28.640 --> 00:30:32.079
under his arm. They're nonchalantly browsing the aisles. They're looking

594
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.880
at the movie options, and they eventually settled on two

595
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.599
different movies that they thought looked interesting. They walked to

596
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:41.359
the counter, they they checked them out or they rent them,

597
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.640
and then they leave there. They go back to Tony's

598
00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:46.680
apartment with his roommates, where they all watch one of

599
00:30:46.680 --> 00:30:53.880
the movies on June Tuesday, June seventeenth, the next day,

600
00:30:54.759 --> 00:30:59.200
Casey stayed at the apartment of Tony until about two

601
00:30:59.200 --> 00:31:02.759
o'clock in the afternoon, and she then went back to

602
00:31:02.799 --> 00:31:06.400
her parents' house from about two forty five to four thirty,

603
00:31:07.319 --> 00:31:11.160
and her car was seen backing into the garage at

604
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:16.240
the Casey Anthony home. And that's according to their neighbor Brian,

605
00:31:16.599 --> 00:31:19.200
who was across the street, who happened to see it

606
00:31:19.279 --> 00:31:21.880
through his window because of there, he's right there, and

607
00:31:21.920 --> 00:31:24.559
he just noticed that she had backed the car into

608
00:31:24.640 --> 00:31:28.759
the garage when asked her, when the grandparents or her

609
00:31:28.799 --> 00:31:32.440
parents asked, hey, where's Kaylee tonight, she again says that

610
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:37.319
Kaylee's staying with Zanny, the nanny, and she stayed with

611
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:42.599
her boyfriend Tony Lazzarro that night. The next day, Wednesday,

612
00:31:42.839 --> 00:31:47.319
June eighteenth, cell phone records of Casey's showed that she

613
00:31:47.519 --> 00:31:53.200
was near Tony's apartment until around twelve thirty pm. Also,

614
00:31:53.319 --> 00:31:57.160
between twelve thirty and one point fifteen, Casey did attempt

615
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:00.759
to call her parents house to get in touch with them,

616
00:32:01.880 --> 00:32:03.200
and they didn't answer.

617
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:04.359
They weren't there.

618
00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:09.279
And again that neighbor, Brian Berner, sees Casey show up

619
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:14.599
and back her car into the garage. It was around

620
00:32:14.839 --> 00:32:21.400
one thirty. He estimates that Casey, who he didn't speak to,

621
00:32:21.920 --> 00:32:24.400
that he was not close with. He just kind of

622
00:32:24.440 --> 00:32:27.599
knew her in passing just as a neighbor, sometimes seeing her.

623
00:32:27.920 --> 00:32:30.519
He says, it's around one thirty when Casey comes over

624
00:32:30.559 --> 00:32:34.119
and says, can I borrow a shovel from you? She

625
00:32:34.279 --> 00:32:36.440
has it, he says, for about an hour or so,

626
00:32:36.599 --> 00:32:39.920
and then she brings it right back and returns it

627
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.440
to them to him that day, George worked from three

628
00:32:44.519 --> 00:32:48.920
to eleven, so he wasn't home when this occurred. And

629
00:32:50.039 --> 00:32:52.599
you know, Cindy had those regular hours, so she would

630
00:32:52.640 --> 00:32:57.640
have been working until five five thirty. Whenever Cindy gets

631
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.640
home though, he starts saying, look, I hadn't seen Kaylee

632
00:33:01.640 --> 00:33:02.519
in a couple of days.

633
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:04.279
Where is she. I really want to see her. I

634
00:33:04.359 --> 00:33:04.799
miss her?

635
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:09.880
And Casey says, oh, well, we're going to a conference

636
00:33:09.960 --> 00:33:12.079
in Tampa for work. A bunch of us are having

637
00:33:12.079 --> 00:33:15.599
to go to this conference. So Kaylee is going to

638
00:33:15.680 --> 00:33:19.480
be with Zanni again, and then these two others, Juliet

639
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:23.079
and Annabelle. So Juliette, Annabelle and Zanni are all going

640
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:26.559
to be together and I'll be at the conference.

641
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:26.799
Now.

642
00:33:26.799 --> 00:33:29.039
I'm going to tell you now, the reality is that

643
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:32.559
that's not true, because Casey stayed the night with Tony

644
00:33:32.680 --> 00:33:39.640
again that night. The next day, Thursday, June nineteenth, two

645
00:33:39.680 --> 00:33:43.599
thousand and eight, George didn't work on this day, so

646
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:46.039
he was home and he likes spending time with his

647
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:51.680
baby granddaughter. Casey was at Tony's though the entire day,

648
00:33:51.799 --> 00:33:54.680
or near Tony's the entire day, because they were both

649
00:33:54.720 --> 00:33:58.079
out looking for apartments for Tony. They were together and

650
00:33:58.119 --> 00:33:59.799
they did it all day and didn't get back until

651
00:33:59.799 --> 00:34:02.799
about nine o'clock that night because the lease was coming

652
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:04.160
up on his apartment.

653
00:34:03.759 --> 00:34:06.519
And he was looking for a new one.

654
00:34:06.839 --> 00:34:10.480
On Friday, June twentieth, the next day, it's now been

655
00:34:10.599 --> 00:34:14.960
five days without the Anthony's seeing their baby granddaughter, and

656
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:19.280
George again isn't working, and Cindy is like, look, I

657
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:21.960
want to see Kaylee. I haven't seen her in a week.

658
00:34:22.079 --> 00:34:25.840
Can you please bring her over? But Casey tells her mom,

659
00:34:26.159 --> 00:34:28.719
we're actually still at the conference where at Busch Gardens,

660
00:34:29.199 --> 00:34:32.239
and it's gonna roll over into Saturday because there's more

661
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:36.199
than I realized, and so we'll be here.

662
00:34:37.159 --> 00:34:38.920
Sonny. He's like, all right, But.

663
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:43.000
In reality, what happened that night was that Casey went

664
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:46.599
to a club called Fusion, and she partied all night.

665
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.840
She even entered a hot body contest that night, where

666
00:34:49.840 --> 00:34:53.559
she was photographed doing so smiling right in her blue

667
00:34:53.559 --> 00:34:58.280
little mini dress. She's there with a girl named Jamie Rielander,

668
00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:03.920
who Casey met from a friend and through the Fusion nightclub.

669
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.239
That's kind of like they all kind of went there

670
00:35:05.280 --> 00:35:09.280
a lot. Jamie Rielander was actually in the hot body

671
00:35:09.320 --> 00:35:13.800
contest with Casey, so there's no question that this really happened,

672
00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:16.480
and there's photographs of her being there. She was not

673
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:20.599
at Bush Gardens, but her mother and father believed.

674
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:20.840
That she was.

675
00:35:22.159 --> 00:35:25.280
So the next two days, which had been June twenty

676
00:35:25.280 --> 00:35:28.360
first and twenty second, which are a Saturday and a Sunday,

677
00:35:28.519 --> 00:35:32.079
Casey never went home to her parents' house. But again

678
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.039
her mother is asking, where's Kaylee. I'd like to see Kaylee.

679
00:35:36.559 --> 00:35:40.559
And that's whenever Cindy kept pressing to see her again.

680
00:35:40.639 --> 00:35:44.239
I want to see her, and Casey kind of put

681
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:46.519
her off again a little bit more that you know,

682
00:35:46.559 --> 00:35:47.719
they were doing stuff together.

683
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:51.039
But a friend of.

684
00:35:53.840 --> 00:35:58.079
Tony Lazarro's, or the roommate of Tony Lazarro's girlfriend, was

685
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:00.320
over at the apartment for a little while. Her was

686
00:36:00.360 --> 00:36:05.239
Maria Kish, and she even asked Casey, Hey, where's Kaylee.

687
00:36:05.239 --> 00:36:08.159
I haven't seen her in a while. And Casey says, oh,

688
00:36:08.199 --> 00:36:10.320
she's at the beach. She's at it on a beach

689
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:13.440
trip at the beach. Doesn't jive with what she's been

690
00:36:13.440 --> 00:36:16.639
telling everybody else, But nobody's really connecting the dots here

691
00:36:17.000 --> 00:36:18.960
that she's telling different people different things.

692
00:36:19.360 --> 00:36:19.559
Now.

693
00:36:19.679 --> 00:36:21.960
Maria kish at the time. She worked for a county

694
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:25.679
campaign at that time, and she dated, like I said,

695
00:36:25.719 --> 00:36:29.360
one of the roommates. His name was Clint House. Maria

696
00:36:29.679 --> 00:36:32.840
was not close with Casey. She was definitely not close

697
00:36:32.920 --> 00:36:36.519
with Kaylee, but she had met Kaylee a couple of

698
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:38.800
times and she was very kind to the little girl.

699
00:36:39.639 --> 00:36:44.960
And one time before this date, whenever Marie was over

700
00:36:44.960 --> 00:36:48.320
at the apartment, she was out on the balcony and

701
00:36:48.440 --> 00:36:49.840
I guess, I don't know if she was smoking or

702
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:51.159
what she was doing, but she was just sitting out

703
00:36:51.199 --> 00:36:52.840
on the balcony of the apartment. And then it was

704
00:36:52.880 --> 00:36:55.039
time for her to leave to go out to eat

705
00:36:55.119 --> 00:36:57.360
or go party or whatever with her boyfriend. But she

706
00:36:57.480 --> 00:37:01.760
was really concerned and worried didn't want to leave because

707
00:37:02.079 --> 00:37:06.199
Kaylee was alone by herself outside on that porch. Unattended,

708
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:10.159
and even Maria, who's not a mother, was kind of like,

709
00:37:10.239 --> 00:37:12.400
I mean, I don't think this is good. Where's her mom?

710
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:15.960
She's not watching her and that kind of bothered her.

711
00:37:16.880 --> 00:37:20.000
Another time she was over there, that Kaylee was over there,

712
00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:22.840
she said that Casey came out of the boyfriend's room,

713
00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:25.280
Tony's room and said, Kaylee, put on your socks and shoes,

714
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.360
were about to leave, but didn't help her, and so

715
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:31.079
Maria went over there because little Kaylee was struggling to

716
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.679
put her shoes and socks on, and Maria went over

717
00:37:33.760 --> 00:37:35.599
to help her put her little socks and shoes on.

718
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.920
So she didn't know the little girl really well, but

719
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:39.639
she just wondered, you know, where has she been. I

720
00:37:39.679 --> 00:37:43.000
haven't seen her in days, like in a week, over

721
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.280
a week at least. And again she says, oh, she's

722
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:52.239
at the beach. So Sunday, June twenty second, this is

723
00:37:52.280 --> 00:37:56.519
when Cindy is really upset and she says, where is

724
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.280
my granddaughter? I want to see her and I want

725
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:03.480
to see her now. Casey continues on saying that they're

726
00:38:03.519 --> 00:38:06.960
still at Bush Gardens and that because it went late,

727
00:38:07.079 --> 00:38:10.679
she's got Kaylee. They're gonna stay over some more and

728
00:38:10.960 --> 00:38:13.360
we're gonna go to the park and hang out. She's

729
00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:17.079
with me, she's fine, Quit aggravating me, and I'll be

730
00:38:17.159 --> 00:38:23.800
home when I get home. On Monday, June twenty third,

731
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.920
Casey's cell phone shows that she's at Tony's until one

732
00:38:28.079 --> 00:38:31.280
thirty PM, and she didn't head over to her mother's

733
00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:35.440
house until around two thirty. She did call her boyfriend

734
00:38:35.519 --> 00:38:39.159
Tony about two forty five saying that her car had

735
00:38:39.239 --> 00:38:42.400
run out of gas. So Tony did what boyfriends do.

736
00:38:42.599 --> 00:38:45.400
He went and he found her and picked her up,

737
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:49.239
and he took her to her parents' house where they

738
00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:54.679
break into George Anthony's shed in the backyard and they

739
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:56.760
take the parents' gas cans.

740
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:58.320
The parents were not home whenever.

741
00:38:58.039 --> 00:39:02.400
This happened, so Cindy is also now starting to really

742
00:39:02.519 --> 00:39:07.320
press her about Kaylee. She spoke to her about five

743
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:13.840
thirty PM, and Casey adds that, well, we've had another setback.

744
00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:18.239
Zanni was in an accident and she's in the hospital

745
00:39:18.280 --> 00:39:21.320
in Tampa. So Kaylee is going to be staying with

746
00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.440
Juliette and Annabelle while I tend to Zanni in the

747
00:39:24.440 --> 00:39:30.480
hospital because she's pretty hurt. Cindy's aggravated but okay, But

748
00:39:30.599 --> 00:39:33.920
the phone records show that she was at her dad's

749
00:39:33.920 --> 00:39:37.559
house taking the gas can at that same time that

750
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:38.920
she's claiming she's at.

751
00:39:38.840 --> 00:39:40.480
The hospital with Zanni.

752
00:39:42.239 --> 00:39:46.400
The next day, June twenty fourth, that's when George Anthony

753
00:39:46.440 --> 00:39:49.159
decides that he was going to mow their lawn. So

754
00:39:49.199 --> 00:39:51.639
he goes out to get the gas cans and the mower,

755
00:39:51.679 --> 00:39:53.679
and he realizes that the law is broken and that

756
00:39:53.760 --> 00:39:56.519
the shed's been broken into. So he called the sheriff's

757
00:39:56.559 --> 00:39:59.800
office and he even made a report that someone had

758
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:02.960
burglarized his shed, and he fills out a report for

759
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:04.960
the sheriff's deputy, and then he even goes and tells

760
00:40:04.960 --> 00:40:07.760
that neighbor, Brian Berner, the one that had seen Casey

761
00:40:07.800 --> 00:40:10.960
backing into the carport, that look, you need to be careful,

762
00:40:11.159 --> 00:40:13.719
there's a burglar out. And then and they're breaking into

763
00:40:13.760 --> 00:40:18.800
people's sheds. Now, George had a new job interview at

764
00:40:18.800 --> 00:40:24.400
six point thirty that evening, so although he was home,

765
00:40:25.079 --> 00:40:29.639
he normally would not have been there on this day.

766
00:40:30.360 --> 00:40:32.599
So Casey would have known that, right, and so that's

767
00:40:32.599 --> 00:40:34.480
why some of this probably went down the way that

768
00:40:34.519 --> 00:40:38.320
it did. Around two point thirty pm, Casey showed up

769
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.239
at the house in her white, you know, Pontiac Sunfire,

770
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:44.880
and it's kind of surprised that her dad.

771
00:40:44.840 --> 00:40:47.639
Was still there. They're asking.

772
00:40:48.079 --> 00:40:51.440
George says, look, we miss Kaylee and we've never gone

773
00:40:51.440 --> 00:40:53.679
this long without her.

774
00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:58.480
I want to see her, and he's kind of thinking,

775
00:40:58.719 --> 00:40:59.639
you know, I wonder.

776
00:40:59.440 --> 00:41:02.079
If Casey he might have taken my gas cans and

777
00:41:02.119 --> 00:41:04.920
been the one that broke into my shed again. Why

778
00:41:04.960 --> 00:41:08.159
he thought that, I don't know, but George knows his kid,

779
00:41:08.719 --> 00:41:11.840
and guess what he He tells her. He says, look,

780
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.119
I need to go get something from your car. I'll

781
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:18.599
be right back, and he goes out there and he's

782
00:41:18.599 --> 00:41:23.400
gonna go look in the trunk, but before he can

783
00:41:23.440 --> 00:41:27.320
do that, Casey runs and cuts him off, opens the trunk.

784
00:41:27.480 --> 00:41:32.199
They start arguing about the gas cans. Casey flips open

785
00:41:32.239 --> 00:41:34.880
her trunk, pulls out the gas can, slams it shut,

786
00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.239
throws him out him and says, here's.

787
00:41:36.079 --> 00:41:37.280
Your fucking gas cans.

788
00:41:38.920 --> 00:41:42.079
And then she jumps in her car and immediately starts

789
00:41:42.119 --> 00:41:45.199
calling her mom and I'm gonna tell you what I think.

790
00:41:45.480 --> 00:41:47.679
There's a reason she didn't want him looking in her

791
00:41:47.880 --> 00:41:50.079
trunk number one, number two.

792
00:41:50.719 --> 00:41:53.760
I think Casey purposefully pit her mother and her father

793
00:41:53.880 --> 00:41:56.480
against each other on purpose because it would take the

794
00:41:56.519 --> 00:41:58.039
heat off of her, and she.

795
00:41:58.159 --> 00:42:01.760
Knew manipula, manipatively.

796
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:05.639
That her parents would start arguing with each other because

797
00:42:05.639 --> 00:42:08.559
of their struggles, and it would kind of, you know,

798
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:12.679
throw her in the background. She then a little bit

799
00:42:12.760 --> 00:42:16.599
later that day, messages a friend Troy Brown, on Facebook,

800
00:42:16.679 --> 00:42:19.320
and amongst other things they talk about, says, I haven't

801
00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:21.519
been at my parents' house for the last nine days

802
00:42:21.559 --> 00:42:22.400
because of drama.

803
00:42:22.639 --> 00:42:25.119
But we know that's not true.

804
00:42:25.519 --> 00:42:29.000
June twenty fifth, The next day, Casey tells her friend

805
00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:33.440
Amy heisanga that there's this awful smell coming from her

806
00:42:33.480 --> 00:42:35.880
car and she thinks that it's coming from the engine.

807
00:42:37.280 --> 00:42:39.320
And this is in messages. We can see in these

808
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.960
messages that are going back and forth, and Cindy again

809
00:42:43.119 --> 00:42:46.000
is saying, where's Kaylee. I want to see Kaylee, and

810
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:50.119
she's put off by Casey again with another excuse. The

811
00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:54.119
next day, June twenty sixth, Casey is at Tony's all

812
00:42:54.199 --> 00:42:59.760
day long and Cindy's asking again for Kaylee, and that's

813
00:42:59.760 --> 00:43:03.079
when Casey says Zanni was released from the hospital today,

814
00:43:03.360 --> 00:43:04.880
so we're gonna go ahead and stay at the hotel

815
00:43:04.920 --> 00:43:07.800
with her and help her out. But everything's fine, We're

816
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:12.639
all together, don't worry about it. June twenty seventh, which

817
00:43:12.679 --> 00:43:16.400
is a Friday, Casey's phone shows at around eleven am.

818
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:21.519
She's near her parents house, and she spends a half

819
00:43:21.559 --> 00:43:27.519
hour or so, you know, texting and doing some mother things.

820
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:33.599
Within minutes of her texting Tony, her boyfriend, about whatever,

821
00:43:34.239 --> 00:43:38.559
her car runs out of gas again, so she calls

822
00:43:38.639 --> 00:43:43.119
Tony to come and get her, which he does again.

823
00:43:43.480 --> 00:43:45.719
She pulls some stuff out of her car, which includes

824
00:43:45.760 --> 00:43:47.960
a bag full of clothes and some items that he

825
00:43:48.000 --> 00:43:53.199
thought were like from a refrigerator video. Then sees them

826
00:43:53.199 --> 00:43:56.360
together later at J. C. Penny's at around two point

827
00:43:56.360 --> 00:43:59.400
fifty one pm that day, where Casey bought some shoes

828
00:43:59.719 --> 00:44:02.679
because because that night they were going back out clubbing

829
00:44:02.719 --> 00:44:08.760
at Club Fusion. Cindy starts asking for Kaylee again, and

830
00:44:08.840 --> 00:44:11.840
Casey says, look, we're back in town, but I had

831
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:16.320
a really late evening. I'm meeting with Jeff Hawkins and

832
00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.159
we're gonna be staying with him at the Hard Rock Hotel,

833
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.960
and Jeff Hawkins is supposed to be a guy that

834
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:28.440
they're talking business with. Jesse Grunn, who was remember the

835
00:44:28.480 --> 00:44:31.559
former fiance of hers that they thought was Kaylee's father

836
00:44:31.599 --> 00:44:34.719
but turns out not to be, is chatting with her.

837
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.800
They're still friendly and talking and at one point he says, well,

838
00:44:37.800 --> 00:44:40.480
how's you know, where's Kaylee? What are y'all doing or whatever?

839
00:44:40.480 --> 00:44:43.880
And she says, oh, she's with the nanny. It just

840
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:49.800
kind of is conflicting. The stories don't match. And whenever Amy,

841
00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.000
her friend that I previously mentioned before, asked about Kaylee again,

842
00:44:53.079 --> 00:44:55.280
she tells her she's at the beach.

843
00:44:55.320 --> 00:44:56.039
So there's one thing.

844
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:57.719
If you're gonna be a liar, you better be fucking

845
00:44:57.719 --> 00:45:00.119
good at it, because it's gonna start catching up with you.

846
00:45:01.800 --> 00:45:04.119
The next two days or a weekend, the June twenty

847
00:45:04.159 --> 00:45:07.679
eighth and June twenty ninth, she tells Cindy, Oh, we're

848
00:45:07.719 --> 00:45:11.559
still at the hard Rock Hotel, but the phone records

849
00:45:11.679 --> 00:45:15.079
show that she's actually at Tony's and they rented a

850
00:45:15.079 --> 00:45:18.960
movie again. The next day, which would have been Monday,

851
00:45:19.039 --> 00:45:22.079
June thirtieth, Tony had a pre planned trip that he

852
00:45:22.119 --> 00:45:24.199
was going with his family to New York or with

853
00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:26.679
his mom to New York, and so Casey went and

854
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.159
dropped them at the airport, and while he was gone,

855
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:31.000
he says, hey, you can use my car, because remember

856
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:34.840
her car breaks down and she never has any gas.

857
00:45:35.480 --> 00:45:37.760
Hers is still out of gas. And where they had

858
00:45:37.840 --> 00:45:40.159
left it the last time when he went and picked

859
00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.119
her up was at an Amscott. Well the car was

860
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.760
still there, and so the Amscott calls a toe company

861
00:45:47.159 --> 00:45:49.760
because the car was next to the dumpster and no

862
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:51.960
one had claimed it or come to get it, and

863
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.119
it was now aggravating to them and they wanted it

864
00:45:54.159 --> 00:45:57.960
out of their parking lot. So Johnson's record comes and

865
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:02.159
they tow it to their lot in South Orlando. Now

866
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:06.320
little side note, it's going to stay there until July fifteenth,

867
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:11.880
so another fifteen days or so. So right now, while

868
00:46:11.880 --> 00:46:15.559
all of that's happening, Casey is seen on camera at

869
00:46:15.599 --> 00:46:18.880
Target shopping again, and then she goes back to J. C.

870
00:46:19.039 --> 00:46:22.159
Penny's shopping some more. And then she goes back to

871
00:46:22.199 --> 00:46:26.559
Target again shopping some more. So I know you're wondering

872
00:46:26.559 --> 00:46:28.440
about Casey and how is she getting all of this

873
00:46:28.599 --> 00:46:32.480
money to go shopping, And the answer is that when

874
00:46:32.559 --> 00:46:35.280
she needed money, her parents basically would give it to her.

875
00:46:35.239 --> 00:46:38.000
Even if they were struggling, they would give it to her.

876
00:46:38.239 --> 00:46:42.000
And my gist of things is that Casey's paycheck was

877
00:46:42.079 --> 00:46:46.280
Casey's and whenever she needed more money, her parents would

878
00:46:46.320 --> 00:46:49.119
just give it to her because they didn't want Kaylee

879
00:46:49.639 --> 00:46:55.440
to be without. Cindy, though, is now pushing and she's

880
00:46:55.480 --> 00:47:00.519
pushing really hard for Kaylee, and Casey says, mom, she's

881
00:47:00.519 --> 00:47:04.920
with Jennifer Rosa, that's Zanny's roommate, and we're gonna be

882
00:47:04.960 --> 00:47:08.199
staying with them until July third, and she tells Cindy

883
00:47:08.239 --> 00:47:12.440
that Jennifer and Kaylee are gonna go to Universal Studios.

884
00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:17.280
The week of June thirtieth through the fourth of July weekend,

885
00:47:17.719 --> 00:47:22.079
Cindy was on vacation and she was be damned if

886
00:47:22.079 --> 00:47:25.440
she was gonna spend a week off on vacation without

887
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.920
her granddaughter giving her some love and playing with her

888
00:47:28.960 --> 00:47:31.119
and swimming and doing all the fun things that she

889
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.519
wanted to do with her granddaughter. And y'all, it had

890
00:47:33.559 --> 00:47:37.679
been two weeks over two weeks since she had seen her,

891
00:47:39.360 --> 00:47:48.079
So that day, Cindy insistently starts calling Casey wanting Kaylee.

892
00:47:48.119 --> 00:47:52.719
Tony was still in New York, and now since he's

893
00:47:52.760 --> 00:47:55.360
still in New York, Casey has nowhere to stay because

894
00:47:55.400 --> 00:47:57.320
she can't go stay at Tony's when he's not there,

895
00:47:57.960 --> 00:48:00.800
So she shows back up at Jesse grunt apartment, the

896
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:05.679
ex fiance slash fake baby daddy of Kaylee, and she

897
00:48:05.880 --> 00:48:09.599
takes a shower there, and then at five pm she's

898
00:48:09.800 --> 00:48:15.320
back at jce Penny's with her friend Amy. Cindy calls

899
00:48:15.400 --> 00:48:18.880
Casey multiple times again, but she just can't get Casey

900
00:48:18.920 --> 00:48:23.280
to answer the phone. That evening, Casey then went to

901
00:48:23.320 --> 00:48:27.599
the Alehouse. It's a restaurant and bar, so Cindy again

902
00:48:27.960 --> 00:48:31.559
texts Casey wanting to know about Kaylee, and that's when

903
00:48:31.559 --> 00:48:34.800
she tells her, Oh, she's at the park with Jennifer Rosa.

904
00:48:35.119 --> 00:48:41.800
Again that's Zanny's sister or roommate. The next day, July second,

905
00:48:42.440 --> 00:48:45.760
there are multiple attempts to call Casey's cell phone from

906
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:46.960
the Anthony household.

907
00:48:47.320 --> 00:48:48.280
Nobody answers.

908
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.519
Amy the friend asks about Kaylee and Casey says, oh,

909
00:48:53.559 --> 00:49:01.960
she's with Zanny. Meanwhile, Casey goes shopping again. She goes

910
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:04.880
to the Ross to go buy some shoes. She also

911
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:07.760
made a tattoo appointment, and then she goes to two

912
00:49:07.800 --> 00:49:11.800
clubs that night. She goes to the Voyage and the Mako,

913
00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:15.239
and then that night, after they go clubbing, she stays

914
00:49:15.280 --> 00:49:21.039
with Amy and her roommate Ricardo. The next day, July

915
00:49:21.199 --> 00:49:26.679
the third, Cindy Anthony has had enough. She's wanting to

916
00:49:26.719 --> 00:49:29.719
see Kaylee and Casey is now claiming that she's at

917
00:49:29.840 --> 00:49:35.760
Universal at a character breakfast. So Cindy gets in her

918
00:49:35.880 --> 00:49:42.920
car and she drives there herself shows up at Universal

919
00:49:43.199 --> 00:49:46.480
and when she gets there, she calls Casey and she says,

920
00:49:46.519 --> 00:49:49.519
guess what, Casey, I'm here. I want to see Kaylee.

921
00:49:50.519 --> 00:49:53.400
I want to have breakfast with her. Tell them to

922
00:49:53.440 --> 00:49:58.519
come meet me. And that's when Casey says, oh, actually

923
00:49:58.559 --> 00:50:02.559
plans have changed. Now Now in Jacksonville, Jacksonville, I'm with

924
00:50:02.719 --> 00:50:06.440
Jeff Hawkins. Remember the guy that I was with for

925
00:50:06.519 --> 00:50:11.039
business at the hard Rock, Well, he's from Jacksonville, and

926
00:50:11.079 --> 00:50:13.079
so we're hanging out there with him a little bit.

927
00:50:14.199 --> 00:50:16.840
So Cindy gets pissed and she leaves and she goes

928
00:50:16.880 --> 00:50:17.280
back home.

929
00:50:17.320 --> 00:50:20.920
And when Cindy gets home, she creates a MySpace page

930
00:50:21.000 --> 00:50:24.920
and she calls it Mike, Caylee is missing and she

931
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:29.000
writes a paragraph or two about how much she's missing

932
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.519
her granddaughter and that she hasn't seen her in so

933
00:50:31.599 --> 00:50:35.719
long it's literally hurting her heart. But I mean, she's

934
00:50:35.719 --> 00:50:38.800
the grandmother, she's not the mother, but she misses this

935
00:50:38.920 --> 00:50:43.840
baby terribly. So meanwhile, Casey gets a tattoo and she

936
00:50:43.960 --> 00:50:45.480
tells the tattoo guy.

937
00:50:45.840 --> 00:50:47.320
That her daughter is with the nanny.

938
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:53.239
And about that time, she texts also Grinned, the ex

939
00:50:53.320 --> 00:50:57.159
boyfriend slash ex fiance and tells him, do not talk

940
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.199
to my family if they contact you, because they're crazy

941
00:51:00.239 --> 00:51:02.400
and they won't leave me alone and I'm just trying

942
00:51:02.440 --> 00:51:06.440
to get away from them no matter what. She goes

943
00:51:06.480 --> 00:51:09.159
shopping with a new friend her name's Melissa England at

944
00:51:09.159 --> 00:51:13.639
the mall while someone again starts calling her phone from

945
00:51:13.800 --> 00:51:20.840
the Anthony home. Cindy that night calls Casey's brother Lee

946
00:51:20.920 --> 00:51:24.679
and says, Lee, listen, I need you to find Casey.

947
00:51:24.719 --> 00:51:27.159
It's not a joke anymore. There's something wrong here. I

948
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:29.239
need you to find her. So Lee gets on social

949
00:51:29.280 --> 00:51:31.480
media and is able to track down where he thinks

950
00:51:31.519 --> 00:51:34.280
Casey's going to be that night, which would be a nightclub,

951
00:51:34.679 --> 00:51:37.519
and so Lee gets his fiance at the time, Mallory.

952
00:51:37.880 --> 00:51:39.960
They pack up going into a car and they go

953
00:51:40.039 --> 00:51:43.760
downtown looking for Casey and they can't find her. But

954
00:51:44.440 --> 00:51:47.480
as luck would have it, Lee had sent a message

955
00:51:47.840 --> 00:51:51.199
to a friend Amy, and this is again Casey Anthony's

956
00:51:51.239 --> 00:51:55.599
friend who had alerted Casey, Hey, your brother's looking for you.

957
00:51:55.599 --> 00:51:56.840
You might want to go find him.

958
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:02.239
And whenever Casey realizes this, she immediately leaves downtown Orlando

959
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:06.920
so her brother can't find her. On July the fourth,

960
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:11.840
jesse Grund again asks where's Kaylee. We hadn't seen her

961
00:52:11.840 --> 00:52:15.719
in a while, and she tells jesse Grund that Kaylee's

962
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.760
at Sea World with the nanny having a good time.

963
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:23.519
What's really going on then is that there's a guy

964
00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:27.320
named will Waters who Casey met, and she was at

965
00:52:27.320 --> 00:52:30.800
his house planning a Fourth of July party with him.

966
00:52:32.719 --> 00:52:36.440
That night, they went downtown to Orlando where they had

967
00:52:36.480 --> 00:52:39.880
the annual Fourth of July fireworks display. She partied, she

968
00:52:39.920 --> 00:52:42.599
had a great time, She took pictures with Will Waters.

969
00:52:42.920 --> 00:52:47.440
Everything was just so much fun for Casey. Saturday, the

970
00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:51.039
July fifth is when Tony came home from his trip

971
00:52:51.079 --> 00:52:57.400
to New York. Before he got home on ikea closed

972
00:52:57.400 --> 00:53:01.840
surface close circuit television, you can see Casey is still

973
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.440
with will Waters and she's all excited and giddy, and

974
00:53:04.480 --> 00:53:07.840
he says that she's excited because her boyfriend's coming home

975
00:53:08.039 --> 00:53:10.599
from New York and that night, when he gets home,

976
00:53:10.639 --> 00:53:14.400
they go all together to Buffalo Wild Wings and eat

977
00:53:14.599 --> 00:53:19.639
some chicken. She tells her mother because her mother's calling, saying,

978
00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.480
where are y'all? Where is Kaylee? This is ridiculous. I'm serious,

979
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:26.119
I want to see her. She tells her mother that

980
00:53:26.159 --> 00:53:30.280
her car broke down in Jacksonville and that this guy,

981
00:53:30.360 --> 00:53:33.679
Jeff Hopkins is helping her to get it fixed, but

982
00:53:33.719 --> 00:53:38.719
they're gonna have to stay there until about July twelfth. Meanwhile,

983
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:42.320
Kaylee is fine. She tells her mom that Kaylee is

984
00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:45.480
gonna be with Jeff Hopkins' mom and his son, Zachary.

985
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.880
She's taking care of them. She's a good woman, don't worry.

986
00:53:49.800 --> 00:53:54.000
So days have gone by, no one has seen Kaylee,

987
00:53:54.440 --> 00:54:00.559
but Casey is seen around Orlando, shopping at various places

988
00:54:00.800 --> 00:54:02.360
and living her best life.

989
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.639
On Friday, July eleventh.

990
00:54:06.079 --> 00:54:09.880
Y'all, it's been twenty six days since Cindy has seen

991
00:54:09.960 --> 00:54:13.760
Kaylee and it's not for lack of trying, asking, calling,

992
00:54:14.079 --> 00:54:20.239
showing up places, and she is still trying to find Kaylee.

993
00:54:20.320 --> 00:54:23.400
Casey's not answering the phone, but that night, Casey is

994
00:54:23.400 --> 00:54:26.920
back at the Fusion night Club. On July the twelfth,

995
00:54:27.280 --> 00:54:32.239
Casey sends Cindy a message and says, we're still in Jacksonville,

996
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.519
but we're coming. The reality is, if you look at

997
00:54:35.559 --> 00:54:38.760
the wind Dixie, the local wind Dixie in Orlando, you

998
00:54:38.800 --> 00:54:41.840
can see her there at nine twenty shopping for groceries.

999
00:54:42.480 --> 00:54:43.320
She being Casey.

1000
00:54:45.639 --> 00:54:49.360
So on July the thirteenth, Casey tells her mom that

1001
00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:52.440
she's staying longer in Jacksonville because it turns out Jeff

1002
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.400
Hopkins' mom is getting married and they're gonna go to

1003
00:54:55.440 --> 00:54:58.039
the wedding. It's gonna be a lot of fun, so

1004
00:54:58.079 --> 00:55:04.119
they're gonna stay for the wedding. On Tuesday, July fifteenth,

1005
00:55:05.360 --> 00:55:08.280
Cindy and George Anthony decide that they're gonna go do

1006
00:55:08.400 --> 00:55:11.760
some yard work. While they're doing yard work, George Anthony

1007
00:55:12.920 --> 00:55:15.440
gets a note on the door because you've got to

1008
00:55:15.480 --> 00:55:18.480
go to the post office to get this official letter.

1009
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:21.039
So he goes to the post office and there he

1010
00:55:21.519 --> 00:55:23.559
finds that he's been given a notice from a tow

1011
00:55:23.639 --> 00:55:26.960
company saying you got to come get your car bring cash.

1012
00:55:27.000 --> 00:55:31.239
Only that's because Casey's car, remember, was registered to them,

1013
00:55:31.360 --> 00:55:33.559
not to Casey, and that's why they got the notice.

1014
00:55:33.719 --> 00:55:36.079
So both Cindy and George show up to go get

1015
00:55:36.119 --> 00:55:39.079
the car. Cindy deals with the people you know, behind

1016
00:55:39.119 --> 00:55:41.960
the counter in the office, while George goes with a

1017
00:55:42.000 --> 00:55:45.039
man named Simon Birch to go actually get the car,

1018
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:47.559
and George, while they're driving back on the lot to

1019
00:55:47.639 --> 00:55:51.280
go find the car, kind of confides in Simon about, man,

1020
00:55:51.280 --> 00:55:53.880
we're really struggling to get along with Casey. We haven't

1021
00:55:53.920 --> 00:55:56.639
seen our granddaughter. Our daughter's been acting an ass and

1022
00:55:56.679 --> 00:55:59.400
we're just kind of over it. But as they approach

1023
00:55:59.480 --> 00:56:05.400
the car, it is an overwhelming stench coming from this car,

1024
00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:09.960
and it smelled so bad that George, an experienced police officer,

1025
00:56:11.000 --> 00:56:14.400
was scared that I hope my granddaughter and my daughter

1026
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:18.119
aren't in the trunk because we haven't seen him. Now

1027
00:56:18.199 --> 00:56:21.000
that Simon Birch, he had been in the tow industry

1028
00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:25.760
a really really long time and he also smelled the

1029
00:56:25.840 --> 00:56:31.599
smell and he was kind of taken aback by you

1030
00:56:31.639 --> 00:56:33.960
know by it too, because he knew it the smell

1031
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:37.079
of death in a car smelled like specifically because he

1032
00:56:37.159 --> 00:56:39.719
had a car that sat on his lot where someone

1033
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:42.239
had committed suicide in it, and it sat for days,

1034
00:56:42.559 --> 00:56:43.400
and he felt like.

1035
00:56:43.400 --> 00:56:45.639
The smell smelled the same as the suicide guy.

1036
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:49.320
So worried about what was in the trunk, George Anthony says,

1037
00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:50.960
like a little silent prayer, Oh my God, please don't

1038
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:53.119
let there have anything in this car. When they pop

1039
00:56:53.239 --> 00:56:55.400
up in the trunk, that's whenever they find a trash

1040
00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.199
bag in the trunk, and I guess kind of relieved

1041
00:56:58.199 --> 00:57:01.039
that that may explain it. I'm and Birch grabs it,

1042
00:57:01.239 --> 00:57:04.960
throws it over a fence, and George drives the home,

1043
00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:07.719
the car home, even though it smells all to be damned.

1044
00:57:08.039 --> 00:57:10.840
And when they get home, Cindy walks up to the

1045
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:13.400
car because she was in a different car, and she goes, Jesus,

1046
00:57:13.480 --> 00:57:18.320
what died direct quote. Clearly the car had not been

1047
00:57:18.360 --> 00:57:21.320
in Jacksonville like Casey was telling them, and her parents

1048
00:57:21.320 --> 00:57:24.760
were pissed at the pathological line that had gone on.

1049
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:26.880
They knew she was lying because it had been in

1050
00:57:26.880 --> 00:57:29.320
the tow yard since June the thirtieth, She had to

1051
00:57:29.320 --> 00:57:32.559
have been lying, but George had to go to work.

1052
00:57:33.280 --> 00:57:35.239
He had to go to work at three, so they

1053
00:57:35.280 --> 00:57:38.840
parked the car to let it air out, and Cindy

1054
00:57:38.920 --> 00:57:43.079
tekes Casey about four point thirty saying, come home, major problem,

1055
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:48.599
call us back now. Casey meanwhile was driving around in

1056
00:57:48.679 --> 00:57:51.760
Amy's car, her friend, because Amy had been in Puerto

1057
00:57:51.840 --> 00:57:57.920
Rico and she was using the car. So when Amy

1058
00:57:58.000 --> 00:58:01.559
gets back that same day on her trip, she goes

1059
00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:06.280
and she eventually drops Casey off at Tony's apartment. Meanwhile,

1060
00:58:06.360 --> 00:58:09.119
Cindy's losing her ever loving mind trying to get in

1061
00:58:09.159 --> 00:58:12.079
touch with Casey, but Casey won't answer the phone. So

1062
00:58:12.239 --> 00:58:16.159
that's whenever you know. Cindy goes to the car and

1063
00:58:16.199 --> 00:58:20.280
she starts going through the car that is now smelling

1064
00:58:20.360 --> 00:58:24.599
to you know, high Heaven, and she finds clothes and shoes,

1065
00:58:24.880 --> 00:58:27.400
but she also finds a bag that she thought Casey

1066
00:58:27.519 --> 00:58:29.840
used for work, and so she starts digging in that

1067
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:32.000
bag and lo and behold, and she didn't find a

1068
00:58:32.079 --> 00:58:37.159
phone number for the friend, Amy hazinga. Amy at this

1069
00:58:37.320 --> 00:58:39.679
point was now at the mall and she was shopping.

1070
00:58:40.400 --> 00:58:43.000
She had never met Cindy Anthony before didn't know her

1071
00:58:43.000 --> 00:58:46.199
from Adam, but she answered the call when Cindy called,

1072
00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.800
and Cindy is desperately going, I haven't seen Casey. I'm

1073
00:58:49.840 --> 00:58:53.519
beyond worried about my granddaughter. I'm and Cindy was not

1074
00:58:53.840 --> 00:58:56.400
taking no for an answer today. The line was drawn

1075
00:58:56.400 --> 00:58:59.719
in the sand, and she says where are they?

1076
00:58:59.760 --> 00:58:59.840
Have?

1077
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:02.199
Have you seen them? And Amy says, I know exactly

1078
00:59:02.239 --> 00:59:05.360
where Casey is. Casey's at her boyfriend's, but I haven't

1079
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:08.360
seen Kaylee any of this time. I haven't seen Kaylee.

1080
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:12.400
Because of the just immense amount of stress that they

1081
00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:17.480
hear and feel in Cindy's voice, Amy agrees to allow Cindy,

1082
00:59:17.559 --> 00:59:20.920
a complete stranger to her, to drive to the mall,

1083
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.599
pick her up, and ride with her to Tony Lazarro's apartment.

1084
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.599
Amy then goes up and knocks on the door. Cindy

1085
00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:34.159
is behind her, and when the door opens, Cindy snatches

1086
00:59:34.199 --> 00:59:37.599
that not into Casey and says, you're coming with me,

1087
00:59:37.840 --> 00:59:41.039
and you're coming now. I'm not asking you. I don't

1088
00:59:41.079 --> 00:59:44.039
care how old you are. You're not getting your clothes,

1089
00:59:44.079 --> 00:59:47.039
you're not grabbing your wallet. You're coming with me and

1090
00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:49.880
I can't tell you. I applaud Cindy Anthony to the

1091
00:59:50.039 --> 00:59:52.320
stars and back. I don't give a damn how old

1092
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.199
you are, little girl. Get your ass in this car

1093
00:59:54.239 --> 00:59:59.280
and get it now. Where is my granddaughter? So she

1094
00:59:59.360 --> 01:00:02.159
goes and she dre Amy back off and Cindy Anthony

1095
01:00:02.280 --> 01:00:05.559
is not playing. Where is Kaylee? I want he now?

1096
01:00:05.840 --> 01:00:08.400
And Casey tries up the Zanny story.

1097
01:00:08.119 --> 01:00:11.320
Again and Cindy is like, not no, but fucking hell no,

1098
01:00:11.480 --> 01:00:12.960
I'm not listening to that bullshit.

1099
01:00:13.199 --> 01:00:15.960
And so she is infuriated at.

1100
01:00:15.800 --> 01:00:18.320
This point with her daughter, and she says, you know what,

1101
01:00:19.039 --> 01:00:22.440
I'm gonna call the police. You've been stealing from me,

1102
01:00:22.639 --> 01:00:28.039
which they found out. The car smells like shit, it's

1103
01:00:28.079 --> 01:00:30.559
been impounded. You've been lying, and you know what, I'm

1104
01:00:30.559 --> 01:00:32.719
too damn old for this, and I'm not gonna deal

1105
01:00:32.719 --> 01:00:35.119
with it. I'm tired of chasing you around. I'm tired

1106
01:00:35.159 --> 01:00:38.000
of dealing with all your drama. It's one thing after another.

1107
01:00:38.599 --> 01:00:43.039
She was so emotionally exhausted that she makes a phone

1108
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.719
call and she says, this is probably the hardest thing

1109
01:00:46.719 --> 01:00:48.719
I can ever do, because I'm trying to give you

1110
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:52.000
a good life, but you're acting like an idiot, you're lying.

1111
01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:57.480
So that's whenever she decides that she's gonna call nine

1112
01:00:57.519 --> 01:01:00.679
to one one on her own daughter. Now, I'm gonna

1113
01:01:00.679 --> 01:01:03.960
set up this call for you real quick, because when

1114
01:01:04.000 --> 01:01:07.119
she calls, she actually calls the wrong jurisdiction, and so

1115
01:01:07.159 --> 01:01:10.519
she has to be transferred to the right jurisdiction. And

1116
01:01:10.599 --> 01:01:13.519
as it's transferred in the recording, and I'm gonna play

1117
01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:14.320
the whole thing for you.

1118
01:01:15.320 --> 01:01:17.599
I want you or the whole section I'm talking about.

1119
01:01:18.400 --> 01:01:20.679
I want you to listen because it's still recording, and

1120
01:01:20.719 --> 01:01:24.119
you can hear Cindy Anthony fussing at Casey about failing

1121
01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:26.199
to do what she is supposed to do in terms

1122
01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:29.800
of returning the money she had stolen, how she screwed

1123
01:01:29.880 --> 01:01:31.800
up with the car, and she says, I want to

1124
01:01:31.840 --> 01:01:34.199
see Kaylee, this is not normal.

1125
01:01:34.800 --> 01:01:35.960
Go ahead and give it a listen.

1126
01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:42.719
So my next thing will be down to the crowd

1127
01:01:43.320 --> 01:01:45.519
saying and we'll have a court order to get her.

1128
01:01:46.599 --> 01:01:48.440
That's what do you want to say? We'll do it

1129
01:01:48.440 --> 01:01:54.239
and you'll never Well, no, I'm not giving you another day.

1130
01:01:54.280 --> 01:01:57.079
I've given you a month, all right.

1131
01:01:57.199 --> 01:01:59.719
That call, y'all was made on the side of the road,

1132
01:02:00.159 --> 01:02:02.639
and she didn't want to pull over and wait for

1133
01:02:02.679 --> 01:02:04.920
the cops to show up because of the jurisdiction she

1134
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:07.119
was in, so she decided she was just going to.

1135
01:02:07.199 --> 01:02:09.639
Drive home and call the police from home.

1136
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.960
So when she gets home, her son Lee was already there,

1137
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:16.960
and because she had already alerted George that we were

1138
01:02:16.960 --> 01:02:18.639
having a problem, get Lee to the house.

1139
01:02:18.679 --> 01:02:20.880
I need help. So Lee was there.

1140
01:02:21.199 --> 01:02:24.440
She's explaining to Lee the frustrations, and that's when Casey

1141
01:02:24.519 --> 01:02:27.079
kind of runs past and pissed off that she's been

1142
01:02:27.119 --> 01:02:30.000
taken from her boyfriend's house, and she runs into the house.

1143
01:02:30.360 --> 01:02:33.360
So they all go inside and Cindy is again pressing

1144
01:02:33.480 --> 01:02:36.920
I want Kaylee and I want her now. So as

1145
01:02:36.960 --> 01:02:40.920
the conversations go inside, it becomes extremely more animated, and

1146
01:02:40.960 --> 01:02:44.320
Casey is insisting that Kaylee is with the nanny.

1147
01:02:44.960 --> 01:02:46.599
And that she's going to spend the night with her.

1148
01:02:47.119 --> 01:02:52.599
Cindy is so aggravated that, you know, it's time for

1149
01:02:52.639 --> 01:02:54.559
her to come home. She doesn't need to be staying

1150
01:02:54.599 --> 01:02:57.119
with a nanny. We love her, we are her family.

1151
01:02:57.199 --> 01:02:59.480
She should not be spending so much time with this stranger.

1152
01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:03.760
And Casey starts pushing back, saying no, Kaylee's asleep by now,

1153
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.360
and I don't want to disturb her. I don't want

1154
01:03:06.360 --> 01:03:10.960
to mess up her schedule. And Kaylee, you know, Casey's

1155
01:03:10.960 --> 01:03:13.840
mom said. Cindy says, I don't care if I disturb

1156
01:03:13.880 --> 01:03:16.840
her schedule. I don't care if it takes forever. I

1157
01:03:16.880 --> 01:03:19.480
will drive where she is now and I'm going to

1158
01:03:19.559 --> 01:03:23.800
get her. It doesn't go anywhere, and finally the frustrations

1159
01:03:23.840 --> 01:03:27.519
mount and Cindy places a second nine one one call

1160
01:03:27.760 --> 01:03:31.639
from the home. Now, the reality was that they hadn't

1161
01:03:31.639 --> 01:03:34.440
been able to get in touch with Casey like wholeheartedly

1162
01:03:34.760 --> 01:03:37.679
for about a month, and she had been unwilling to

1163
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:40.079
bring little Kaylee home, and this was just too much

1164
01:03:40.079 --> 01:03:43.599
for Cindy to handle. So she calls and she explains,

1165
01:03:43.679 --> 01:03:47.320
my daughter has been missing, my granddaughter is missing, and

1166
01:03:47.360 --> 01:03:49.280
I want a deputy at the house.

1167
01:03:50.280 --> 01:03:53.599
They hang up, the deputy is on the way.

1168
01:03:54.679 --> 01:03:58.440
As she waited, she's pacing back and forth looking out

1169
01:03:58.440 --> 01:04:01.079
the window for the cops, And as time passes, she's

1170
01:04:01.119 --> 01:04:04.800
getting angrier and angrier, and she's kind of pacing past

1171
01:04:05.079 --> 01:04:07.599
back and forth by Casey's room and she can hear

1172
01:04:07.679 --> 01:04:11.440
Lee pleading with Casey and Lee's like, just take mom

1173
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:12.199
to Kaylee?

1174
01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:13.519
Why are you stalling?

1175
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.159
At one point, Lee says, Okay, let's pretend I'm the police,

1176
01:04:16.280 --> 01:04:18.480
and he kind of role plays with her and he says,

1177
01:04:18.480 --> 01:04:20.840
what's gonna happen is the police are gonna show up

1178
01:04:20.960 --> 01:04:24.280
and you're gonna have to tell mom anyway where Kaylee is.

1179
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:29.079
So no matter what you do, Mom's gonna win. Why

1180
01:04:29.119 --> 01:04:32.880
don't you just tell her where Kaylee is? And that's

1181
01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:36.119
when Cindy Anthony here's Casey tell her brother, Well, the

1182
01:04:36.159 --> 01:04:39.199
reality is, I don't know where Kaylee is. The babysitter

1183
01:04:39.559 --> 01:04:43.480
kidnapped her. I haven't seen her in thirty one days.

1184
01:04:43.599 --> 01:04:47.440
Shocked by what she hears, Cindy busts through the door

1185
01:04:48.159 --> 01:04:50.960
and has an all out meltdown. How could you know

1186
01:04:51.079 --> 01:04:53.440
this and not tell us? How could you know that

1187
01:04:53.519 --> 01:04:56.880
my granddaughter is missing and not tell me? My god,

1188
01:04:57.239 --> 01:05:01.000
where is she? How could she be gone? Lee also

1189
01:05:01.079 --> 01:05:03.559
starts digging in, what do you mean? What do you

1190
01:05:03.639 --> 01:05:08.039
mean thirty one days has gone by? Cindy at this

1191
01:05:08.119 --> 01:05:11.039
point has to believe what Casey's telling her because she's

1192
01:05:11.079 --> 01:05:13.480
just in an all out panic, and so she dials

1193
01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:18.079
nine when one breathlessly and hysterical, and she she's just

1194
01:05:18.199 --> 01:05:21.559
beyond you know, consolation. And at one point she even

1195
01:05:21.679 --> 01:05:24.639
slams her her hands down on the on the bed

1196
01:05:24.639 --> 01:05:28.840
and she's cussing Casey out, saying Mike, Kaylee is kidnapped,

1197
01:05:29.599 --> 01:05:31.760
and that's what she dials nine one one for the

1198
01:05:31.920 --> 01:05:35.000
third time. I want you to listen to this call.

1199
01:05:35.440 --> 01:05:38.840
Listen to the panic in the grandmother's voice.

1200
01:05:39.280 --> 01:05:41.519
I called a little bit of the dey Shi saying

1201
01:05:41.639 --> 01:05:44.119
I found out my grandfather has been taking she has

1202
01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:45.159
been listened for. I'm not.

1203
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:50.880
She's been missed. Okay, now, okay, what is the address

1204
01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:53.679
that you're calling from? Spring?

1205
01:05:53.760 --> 01:06:00.920
Driveling about girl? Seven ways ah s p o O I

1206
01:06:01.119 --> 01:06:05.400
m G SLAWA lando Oh. My daughter finally admitted that

1207
01:06:05.480 --> 01:06:09.440
the baby turns fare. I need to find her.

1208
01:06:09.719 --> 01:06:12.519
Your daughter admitted that your the baby is later but.

1209
01:06:12.679 --> 01:06:14.559
It you tender took her a month together that my

1210
01:06:14.679 --> 01:06:16.880
daughter's been looking for. I told you my daughter was

1211
01:06:16.960 --> 01:06:19.039
missing for a month. I just found her together that

1212
01:06:19.119 --> 01:06:22.199
I can't find my granddaughter. She just admitted to me

1213
01:06:22.559 --> 01:06:28.679
that she's been trying to find her herself. There's something wrong.

1214
01:06:28.760 --> 01:06:31.440
I found my daughter's car today and it's not like

1215
01:06:31.559 --> 01:06:33.280
been a dead daughter and it's thrown car.

1216
01:06:33.400 --> 01:06:34.880
Okay, what is the three year old's name?

1217
01:06:35.360 --> 01:06:40.599
Kaylee c A Y L E E Anthony Kayley Anthony?

1218
01:06:41.000 --> 01:06:45.639
Yes, okay, she white black? Her Hispanics, he's white. How

1219
01:06:45.639 --> 01:06:46.760
long has she been missing for?

1220
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.559
I had not seen her since the seventh of June?

1221
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:54.119
What is her date of birth?

1222
01:06:56.320 --> 01:07:02.559
Eight eight nine, two thousand? Oh god, she's free two

1223
01:07:02.599 --> 01:07:15.880
thousand and five. So true. Listen during percent took her

1224
01:07:15.960 --> 01:07:16.599
a month ago?

1225
01:07:18.239 --> 01:07:18.559
She was.

1226
01:07:20.719 --> 01:07:23.480
Okay, I just can I need I understand? Can you

1227
01:07:23.559 --> 01:07:25.239
just can you calm down for me for this minute?

1228
01:07:25.239 --> 01:07:27.039
And if I need to know what's going on? Okay,

1229
01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:32.639
I'm gonna chin that room? Is your Is your daughter there?

1230
01:07:32.840 --> 01:07:35.199
Wind up? Fun with them? Is your daughter there?

1231
01:07:35.679 --> 01:07:35.880
Yeah?

1232
01:07:36.119 --> 01:07:40.039
Can I speak with her? Do you want if I

1233
01:07:40.039 --> 01:07:41.119
secre with her? Thank you?

1234
01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:44.239
I called them two hours ago.

1235
01:07:44.320 --> 01:07:45.239
They haven't gotten here.

1236
01:07:45.719 --> 01:07:53.639
Can kay Finally and there is a very month ago, ma'am, ma'am.

1237
01:07:55.239 --> 01:07:56.440
They want to talk to you.

1238
01:07:58.239 --> 01:08:03.159
Question Hello, Hello, yes, hi? What can you can you

1239
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:05.320
tell me what's going on a little bit? I'm sorry,

1240
01:08:05.400 --> 01:08:06.760
can you tell me a little what's going on?

1241
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:10.639
And my daughter's been received for the last thirty one days.

1242
01:08:12.519 --> 01:08:14.239
Yeah, and you know who has her?

1243
01:08:14.920 --> 01:08:17.560
I know who after I've tried to contact her. I

1244
01:08:17.600 --> 01:08:20.960
actually received a phone call today now from a number

1245
01:08:21.039 --> 01:08:23.359
that it's no longer in service. I didn't get to

1246
01:08:23.399 --> 01:08:26.640
speak to my daughter for atoms about a minute.

1247
01:08:26.800 --> 01:08:29.159
Okay, did you guys call and report a vehicle stole on?

1248
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:35.720
And yes, my mom did. Okay, Okay, so there's been

1249
01:08:35.760 --> 01:08:39.640
a vehicle stolen too, No, this was my vehicle. What

1250
01:08:40.600 --> 01:08:41.399
vehicle was sting?

1251
01:08:42.439 --> 01:08:44.199
It's you I need Pontiac sunfire.

1252
01:08:44.960 --> 01:08:46.800
Okay. I have deputies on the way to you right

1253
01:08:46.840 --> 01:08:50.039
now for that. But now you're now you're three old,

1254
01:08:50.239 --> 01:08:52.039
Your three oldaughter is missing? Kaylee Anthony.

1255
01:08:52.760 --> 01:08:56.920
Yeah, white female, yes, white female, three years old, eight

1256
01:08:57.039 --> 01:08:58.560
nine five a day to birth.

1257
01:08:59.199 --> 01:09:01.279
Yeah, and you I saw her a month.

1258
01:09:01.119 --> 01:09:05.199
Ago, thirty one days from thirty one days?

1259
01:09:06.720 --> 01:09:08.840
Who has her? Give a name?

1260
01:09:09.760 --> 01:09:12.520
Her name is Vanaiva Fernando is Don Dallas.

1261
01:09:13.640 --> 01:09:15.119
Who is that babysitter?

1262
01:09:15.680 --> 01:09:18.399
She's been my nanny for about a year and a half,

1263
01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:20.800
almost two years.

1264
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:25.720
Why why are you calling now? Why didn't you call

1265
01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:26.960
it thirty one days ago?

1266
01:09:27.439 --> 01:09:30.560
I've been looking for her and have gone through other

1267
01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:33.800
resources to try to find her, which was stupid.

1268
01:09:34.520 --> 01:09:36.439
Okay, can you can you give me the name of

1269
01:09:36.479 --> 01:09:40.079
the nanny again? Like spell it out for me. V

1270
01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:43.560
E n A I E A.

1271
01:09:45.479 --> 01:09:49.960
Last day Fernandez, Fernandez hyphen Benzalas.

1272
01:09:53.720 --> 01:10:00.760
Okay, the think's officers are here, the officer of there, Yes, okay,

1273
01:10:00.800 --> 01:10:02.039
hold on a second, I'll hang up with me.

1274
01:10:02.159 --> 01:10:05.479
And so you hear the fear in her voice. The

1275
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:08.720
officers arrive, they start taking down the information. And what

1276
01:10:09.119 --> 01:10:13.399
one good thing was that in that tape whenever you

1277
01:10:13.439 --> 01:10:16.520
listen to that nine to one one call, Casey says

1278
01:10:17.319 --> 01:10:20.279
that she spoke to her daughter sometime that day, and

1279
01:10:20.319 --> 01:10:22.720
so that's kind of a relief to everybody. But they're like, okay,

1280
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:25.000
so where is she now? And you heard you heard

1281
01:10:25.039 --> 01:10:26.880
Cindy say it smells like there's been a dead damn

1282
01:10:26.880 --> 01:10:30.600
body in the car. So Corporal Fletcher was his name,

1283
01:10:30.640 --> 01:10:33.239
shows up after that second call to nine one one,

1284
01:10:33.439 --> 01:10:36.479
but he's now not aware of the escalation that's taken

1285
01:10:36.520 --> 01:10:39.880
place between the second and the third call. So when

1286
01:10:39.920 --> 01:10:43.199
he gets there, he realizes what's going on, gets the

1287
01:10:43.279 --> 01:10:47.239
address to these Sawgrass apartments where Zeneida supposedly lives, and

1288
01:10:47.279 --> 01:10:49.840
at this point, people are wanting to see real places

1289
01:10:50.079 --> 01:10:52.640
and real people, and so they're like, we've got to

1290
01:10:52.840 --> 01:10:57.399
We've got to make some contacts. So Casey willingly leads

1291
01:10:57.439 --> 01:11:01.000
the investigators to the apartment where Zenaida, but when they

1292
01:11:01.079 --> 01:11:05.199
got there, they found it vacant. When they check with management,

1293
01:11:05.800 --> 01:11:08.640
they said management says, no, there's no way that she

1294
01:11:08.640 --> 01:11:11.520
could have dropped her kid here thirty one days ago,

1295
01:11:11.600 --> 01:11:15.680
because this apartment's been vacant since February. That didn't happen,

1296
01:11:15.800 --> 01:11:18.239
or you have the wrong apartment, and so police are

1297
01:11:18.279 --> 01:11:21.199
kind of like, Okay, maybe Cindy Anthony's right. There is

1298
01:11:21.199 --> 01:11:25.960
something way worse wrong here than what we're dealing with.

1299
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:29.199
So they returned back to the house. And when they

1300
01:11:29.239 --> 01:11:31.640
show back up at Cindy Anthony's house.

1301
01:11:31.640 --> 01:11:33.960
Without her granddaughter, she loses it.

1302
01:11:34.119 --> 01:11:38.199
She's telling them, arrest her, arrest my daughter, do something.

1303
01:11:39.399 --> 01:11:42.960
So in the meantime, deputies send an officer to Tony

1304
01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:47.039
Lazarro's apartment the boyfriend to retrieve the cell phone that

1305
01:11:47.159 --> 01:11:49.880
Casey says she left there because that's where all the

1306
01:11:49.920 --> 01:11:53.159
contact info for Zanny is. And so they go get

1307
01:11:53.199 --> 01:11:56.600
that phone and that's when Casey writes a four page statement,

1308
01:11:56.600 --> 01:11:59.800
which I'll post on Patreon for you. But according to Casey,

1309
01:12:00.239 --> 01:12:02.600
the last time that she saw Kaylee was when she

1310
01:12:02.800 --> 01:12:07.239
dropped her off with the nanny. Now here's Casey giving

1311
01:12:07.760 --> 01:12:12.680
the audio recorded statement about what she says happened. And

1312
01:12:12.720 --> 01:12:14.479
I want you to listen not only to how calm

1313
01:12:14.560 --> 01:12:16.600
she is, but you know how a matter of fact

1314
01:12:16.600 --> 01:12:19.880
that she is, but how overly detailed she is, with

1315
01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:26.119
no problems, just a fluent liar. And to me, it's

1316
01:12:26.159 --> 01:12:28.680
just incredible that people like this are real. The police

1317
01:12:28.720 --> 01:12:29.680
already know it's a lie.

1318
01:12:29.880 --> 01:12:30.560
But listen.

1319
01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:33.960
My sixteen two thousand and eight time right now is

1320
01:12:34.279 --> 01:12:36.600
zero four eleven hours. I'm Detective Melosit with the orange

1321
01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:41.039
Chan of Sheriff's Office, present here at four nine three

1322
01:12:41.079 --> 01:12:45.000
seven Hope Spring Drive. It referens orange Kin in case

1323
01:12:45.039 --> 01:12:47.279
number zero eight. That's zero six nine two o eight.

1324
01:12:47.880 --> 01:12:50.840
I am with Casey Anthony as I crack yes, and Casey,

1325
01:12:50.920 --> 01:12:52.079
do you please state your birthday for me?

1326
01:12:52.479 --> 01:12:55.439
Zero three nineteen, nineteen eighty six.

1327
01:12:55.600 --> 01:12:58.279
Okay, case you understand this is being recorded. Yes, you

1328
01:12:58.279 --> 01:13:01.600
have any objection to that? Okase? I got called here

1329
01:13:01.640 --> 01:13:04.560
and my sergeant Reggie Hosey. But the Oren's gonna Shaff's

1330
01:13:04.560 --> 01:13:07.279
office in reference to a missing child. We've sat here

1331
01:13:07.439 --> 01:13:10.000
and talked for a short moment, and before we went

1332
01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:11.600
on tape, because I wanted to make sure that your

1333
01:13:11.640 --> 01:13:15.000
sworn statement, which I'm looking at, was accurate. I'm looking

1334
01:13:15.039 --> 01:13:17.359
at four pages of a sworn statement. On the bottom,

1335
01:13:17.399 --> 01:13:19.279
it appears to be your signature. Is that correct?

1336
01:13:19.319 --> 01:13:19.680
Yes?

1337
01:13:19.760 --> 01:13:23.119
Okay? And you're saying that everything contained in these statements

1338
01:13:23.159 --> 01:13:23.920
are true and accurate.

1339
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:24.359
Yes.

1340
01:13:25.880 --> 01:13:27.760
Also, before I turned on the recorder, I gave you

1341
01:13:27.760 --> 01:13:30.399
a chance because I wanted to explain what happens if

1342
01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:32.960
if you make a false reporter, if there's something about

1343
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:34.840
this incident that you're not telling us the truth of,

1344
01:13:35.520 --> 01:13:37.159
And I wanted to make sure I made it perfectly

1345
01:13:37.199 --> 01:13:39.359
clear that you know, if you want to go ahead

1346
01:13:39.359 --> 01:13:41.840
and rescind this statement, and if you want to tell

1347
01:13:41.880 --> 01:13:45.560
me a different story about what happened, if you're basically

1348
01:13:45.600 --> 01:13:48.680
if you're trying to fabricate a story to kind of

1349
01:13:49.119 --> 01:13:51.279
make something look a little bit better, now is your

1350
01:13:51.279 --> 01:13:52.680
time to tell me. Are you telling me that this

1351
01:13:52.760 --> 01:13:53.840
is the story you want to stick with?

1352
01:13:53.960 --> 01:13:57.680
That's the truth, It's the story, okay?

1353
01:13:59.439 --> 01:14:01.640
In your own war let's go let's go back. Your

1354
01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:03.960
daughter's name is Kaylee C A Y l E E

1355
01:14:04.479 --> 01:14:07.399
Marie Anthony. She was born August ninth.

1356
01:14:07.439 --> 01:14:08.279
Two thousand and five.

1357
01:14:08.600 --> 01:14:15.199
Okay, And according to your statement back on August ninth,

1358
01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:21.239
I'm sorry, Back on June ninth, two thousand and eight,

1359
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:24.439
you took Casey to our babysitter's house.

1360
01:14:24.520 --> 01:14:26.119
Yes, And who was this babysitter?

1361
01:14:26.239 --> 01:14:28.600
Her name is Zanaida Fernandez Gonzales.

1362
01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:30.239
Do you know have spell of the first name.

1363
01:14:30.960 --> 01:14:32.840
Z E N A I D A.

1364
01:14:33.359 --> 01:14:37.079
And where was zanaidas? Where did you drop the.

1365
01:14:36.880 --> 01:14:40.760
Utnovo the Sawgrass Apartments on Conway in Michigan?

1366
01:14:40.840 --> 01:14:41.880
Do you remember the address?

1367
01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:43.760
I don't remember the address.

1368
01:14:43.760 --> 01:14:46.520
Do you remember an apartment Member two? Okay, on the

1369
01:14:46.560 --> 01:14:49.800
second floor. If you were to pull into the Sawgrass apartments,

1370
01:14:49.840 --> 01:14:52.600
would the building be the one closest to the road

1371
01:14:52.720 --> 01:14:53.920
for this back halfway?

1372
01:14:53.920 --> 01:14:55.720
As soon as you go straight, you go over one

1373
01:14:55.760 --> 01:14:57.640
speed bump and it's the first one on the right

1374
01:14:57.640 --> 01:14:58.119
hand side.

1375
01:14:58.640 --> 01:15:00.479
Okay. Is there a pool next? W Is there anything

1376
01:15:00.479 --> 01:15:02.399
about the farment that stands out there's.

1377
01:15:02.199 --> 01:15:03.000
A welcome sign.

1378
01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:09.039
I guess there's a little shed close to the building,

1379
01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:11.920
maybe about ten years away.

1380
01:15:12.039 --> 01:15:13.279
How long had you known Zanaida?

1381
01:15:14.039 --> 01:15:17.000
Almost four years? It will be four years Christmas this year.

1382
01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:19.600
And where did you meet her? Who? Did you meet her? Through?

1383
01:15:20.279 --> 01:15:22.960
Mutual friend? His name is Jeffrey Michael Hopkins.

1384
01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:28.119
I met him at Nickelodeon Universal and I met her

1385
01:15:28.199 --> 01:15:28.680
through him.

1386
01:15:29.279 --> 01:15:31.520
She was his son's nanny at the time.

1387
01:15:31.720 --> 01:15:33.520
Does Jeffery still work at the Universal?

1388
01:15:33.640 --> 01:15:34.239
No, he does not.

1389
01:15:35.760 --> 01:15:38.159
How long has it been since he left?

1390
01:15:38.640 --> 01:15:41.319
About nine ten months?

1391
01:15:41.760 --> 01:15:44.479
Ever, take they moved back to Jacksonville.

1392
01:15:44.720 --> 01:15:46.920
He moved up to North Carolina for a short time

1393
01:15:47.479 --> 01:15:52.000
and moved down to Jacksonville within the last three months.

1394
01:15:52.279 --> 01:15:53.640
When was the last time we spoke with him?

1395
01:15:54.479 --> 01:15:55.640
About a week and a half ago.

1396
01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.359
Okay, do you know a telephone number?

1397
01:15:58.359 --> 01:16:02.439
Four? I can find a number for him. I don't

1398
01:16:02.479 --> 01:16:04.039
know a number off hand, now I do not?

1399
01:16:05.359 --> 01:16:07.800
You mentioned something before? We want on tap about your

1400
01:16:07.800 --> 01:16:08.479
cell phones?

1401
01:16:08.720 --> 01:16:10.640
Yes, I have two phones.

1402
01:16:10.720 --> 01:16:14.359
I just received a new phone through work through Universal.

1403
01:16:16.439 --> 01:16:19.680
The phone won't keep charge, so I use my old

1404
01:16:19.720 --> 01:16:23.119
phone that I actually had gotten again through Universal for work.

1405
01:16:23.279 --> 01:16:27.119
Okay, did you lose a phone? Yes? Was it your

1406
01:16:27.119 --> 01:16:27.880
personal phone?

1407
01:16:27.960 --> 01:16:29.600
It was my personal phone, but I also use it

1408
01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:30.159
for business.

1409
01:16:30.239 --> 01:16:32.239
Okay, what's your what's the number for the phone that

1410
01:16:32.239 --> 01:16:32.680
you lost?

1411
01:16:33.399 --> 01:16:37.920
Four zero seven six one nine nine two eighty six.

1412
01:16:38.399 --> 01:16:39.720
It's the same number.

1413
01:16:39.960 --> 01:16:42.399
Yes, it's still the same number. I just lost the phone.

1414
01:16:42.880 --> 01:16:44.800
And in that phone, you're saying, what's the SIM card?

1415
01:16:44.800 --> 01:16:45.920
And the sim card had the contract?

1416
01:16:45.920 --> 01:16:48.680
Actually the SIM card is in my Nokia phone. But

1417
01:16:48.720 --> 01:16:51.119
I know there's numbers saved to the cell phone itself.

1418
01:16:51.319 --> 01:16:53.479
So if we get the actual phone, I know I

1419
01:16:53.520 --> 01:16:58.199
have one other number four Zanaia and probably a number

1420
01:16:58.199 --> 01:16:59.880
for Jeff besides work number.

1421
01:17:00.279 --> 01:17:02.960
And but they're not in your sim card.

1422
01:17:03.119 --> 01:17:04.680
They're not saved on the SIM card. They're saved on

1423
01:17:04.720 --> 01:17:05.000
the phone.

1424
01:17:05.039 --> 01:17:07.079
I've been trying to figure out on that new phone

1425
01:17:07.119 --> 01:17:09.279
how to save numbers from the phone to the SIM

1426
01:17:09.359 --> 01:17:11.960
card and switch them back and forth so that way

1427
01:17:12.000 --> 01:17:13.920
I have everything all in one piece.

1428
01:17:14.680 --> 01:17:16.640
Okay, So the phone where you have the number saved

1429
01:17:17.680 --> 01:17:18.159
was lost.

1430
01:17:18.399 --> 01:17:20.560
Yes, I filed an instant of report.

1431
01:17:20.640 --> 01:17:22.199
But how did you end up keeping the SIM card?

1432
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:23.680
I had taken it out.

1433
01:17:23.760 --> 01:17:25.720
I know I left the phone on my desk at

1434
01:17:25.760 --> 01:17:27.680
work after I'd switched the SIM card back to my

1435
01:17:27.760 --> 01:17:30.600
old phone, because this was the phone that actually would

1436
01:17:30.680 --> 01:17:32.840
keep charge I want to be able to have a

1437
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:36.239
working phone instead of having a phone that would only

1438
01:17:37.279 --> 01:17:39.439
stay charged for about a half hour and then it

1439
01:17:39.479 --> 01:17:41.319
would die and I can't make any more calls.

1440
01:17:41.079 --> 01:17:44.439
Since for me, after you switch the simard was on

1441
01:17:44.479 --> 01:17:45.560
the phone, I left it.

1442
01:17:45.800 --> 01:17:48.359
I know, I left it on my desk and I

1443
01:17:48.399 --> 01:17:51.039
hadn't been at work for at least three.

1444
01:17:50.880 --> 01:17:53.399
Or four days the report to Universal.

1445
01:17:53.560 --> 01:17:57.239
Yes with security days ago, nine days ago.

1446
01:17:57.319 --> 01:18:01.680
Yes, Okay, So you met as an Ia through Jeffrey Hopkins.

1447
01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.239
I did, and his son, Zach Hopkins, I guess, and

1448
01:18:04.239 --> 01:18:07.159
I used to watch over Zach. Yes, So you've known

1449
01:18:07.279 --> 01:18:10.760
Zanya for about four years, almost four years or before

1450
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:11.880
you had your child.

1451
01:18:12.159 --> 01:18:15.560
Well, I met her just before I was actually pregnant

1452
01:18:15.640 --> 01:18:16.199
at the time.

1453
01:18:16.960 --> 01:18:19.239
So and when did she start watching over your child.

1454
01:18:20.840 --> 01:18:23.439
It's been within the last year and a half, two

1455
01:18:23.520 --> 01:18:26.479
years that she started watching Kaylee. I had another friend

1456
01:18:27.439 --> 01:18:30.279
watch Kaylee that I've known since middle school.

1457
01:18:30.359 --> 01:18:32.680
When she went back to school, I was looking for

1458
01:18:32.720 --> 01:18:36.560
a new nanny. Jeff offered to have Zanaia to watch

1459
01:18:36.600 --> 01:18:39.399
both kids. She agreed, and the kind.

1460
01:18:39.199 --> 01:18:43.000
Of went from there. Before Zania started watching over your child,

1461
01:18:43.000 --> 01:18:44.479
who was an her.

1462
01:18:44.399 --> 01:18:48.600
Name was Lauren Gibbs Gibbs And.

1463
01:18:48.520 --> 01:18:57.399
When did Lauren stop watching for your child?

1464
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:03.960
Maybe April of two thousand and six, okay.

1465
01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:06.399
And right in April two thousand and six, roughly as

1466
01:19:06.439 --> 01:19:09.359
ones that I started watching over. How would you normally

1467
01:19:09.439 --> 01:19:11.079
drop off or how would you normally do? The exchange

1468
01:19:11.079 --> 01:19:13.119
with the challenge that I would you off? Which you

1469
01:19:13.159 --> 01:19:13.880
meet you somewhere?

1470
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:17.640
I would usually drop her off for a few months,

1471
01:19:18.159 --> 01:19:20.359
we would go over to Jeff's house. He lived over

1472
01:19:20.399 --> 01:19:25.159
in Avalon Park. That was a couple of years ago,

1473
01:19:25.199 --> 01:19:26.720
almost a couple of years ago, And.

1474
01:19:26.720 --> 01:19:28.399
You would go to Jeff's house wine.

1475
01:19:28.680 --> 01:19:31.920
To drop off Kayley. That's Whereazania would go to watch

1476
01:19:31.960 --> 01:19:32.760
both of the kids.

1477
01:19:32.920 --> 01:19:33.199
Okay.

1478
01:19:33.239 --> 01:19:36.039
It was in a nice centralized area. He had a

1479
01:19:36.079 --> 01:19:38.279
decent sized house. It was a good room for the

1480
01:19:38.319 --> 01:19:41.039
two of them. Then I started bringing Kaylee over to

1481
01:19:41.159 --> 01:19:42.119
Zanaia's apartment.

1482
01:19:42.520 --> 01:19:44.640
How long were you using or were you going to

1483
01:19:44.680 --> 01:19:49.000
Zana's apartment? How when did you start taking Kailey?

1484
01:19:53.000 --> 01:19:54.920
I guess maybe the end of two thousand and six,

1485
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:55.920
beginning of two thousand and.

1486
01:19:55.920 --> 01:19:58.600
Seven, So since the end of two thousand and six,

1487
01:19:58.720 --> 01:20:03.199
beginning of o seven, you started taking Tailey to Zanaida's

1488
01:20:03.199 --> 01:20:04.520
house on Sawgrass.

1489
01:20:05.119 --> 01:20:07.439
She had an apartment on.

1490
01:20:08.880 --> 01:20:11.920
I guess it's considered Glenwood, but it's off of Bumby

1491
01:20:12.119 --> 01:20:14.479
and Robinson, close to downtown.

1492
01:20:15.600 --> 01:20:18.199
She lived there for quite a.

1493
01:20:18.239 --> 01:20:22.359
Few months and moved over to Sawgrass just recently this year.

1494
01:20:24.800 --> 01:20:26.880
The the house on Bumby. Do you remember the address?

1495
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:27.800
Remember where it's at?

1496
01:20:28.159 --> 01:20:31.000
I know it's off of Glenwood. I don't remember the

1497
01:20:31.159 --> 01:20:32.239
apartment number off hand?

1498
01:20:32.319 --> 01:20:36.239
No, I do not. And how long would you say

1499
01:20:36.279 --> 01:20:37.920
you dropped the child off there? From the beginning of

1500
01:20:38.760 --> 01:20:40.279
end of six, beginning of out seven to.

1501
01:20:47.279 --> 01:20:50.279
Hebe got six seven months, so maybe the middle of

1502
01:20:50.359 --> 01:20:51.279
two thousand and seven.

1503
01:20:52.760 --> 01:20:54.800
So she moved in the Sawgrass with the middle of those.

1504
01:20:54.640 --> 01:20:58.840
Seven She's been at that apartment in Sawgrass for about

1505
01:20:58.880 --> 01:21:00.520
the last three or four months.

1506
01:21:00.720 --> 01:21:02.720
She lived with her mom for a little bit.

1507
01:21:03.319 --> 01:21:04.439
Where's her mom lived?

1508
01:21:04.640 --> 01:21:05.920
She lived off of Michigan.

1509
01:21:06.119 --> 01:21:07.159
Do you know where the house is?

1510
01:21:09.720 --> 01:21:12.079
It's not a very well marked neighborhood.

1511
01:21:12.279 --> 01:21:14.600
The cross was just over a comrade's one of the

1512
01:21:14.640 --> 01:21:16.119
big stretches of neighborhoods.

1513
01:21:16.239 --> 01:21:17.840
Had you dropped the child off there before?

1514
01:21:17.960 --> 01:21:18.239
Yes?

1515
01:21:18.399 --> 01:21:19.800
If you had to find the place, would you be

1516
01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:20.359
able to find it.

1517
01:21:20.680 --> 01:21:22.920
Most likely, Yes, I think I'd remember the house.

1518
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:25.159
Okay, So she was living off of Glenwood, then moved

1519
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:27.640
into her mom's house and where off of Michigan, and

1520
01:21:27.680 --> 01:21:32.039
then moved in Songster four months ago off of Glenwood

1521
01:21:32.079 --> 01:21:35.279
until mid o seven in mom's house.

1522
01:21:38.439 --> 01:21:41.600
Her mom was living there at the time. Her mom

1523
01:21:41.680 --> 01:21:46.600
had gotten another place with her sister, but she was

1524
01:21:46.640 --> 01:21:49.760
staying over at the house and moved in with the

1525
01:21:49.840 --> 01:21:51.920
two girls that are referenced in the pages.

1526
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:57.079
She was living with these two girls at saws. Yes, okay,

1527
01:21:57.880 --> 01:22:00.000
about to you're staying you dropped off your dropped off

1528
01:22:00.079 --> 01:22:05.479
Kayley June ninth, and walk me through your dropper after

1529
01:22:05.520 --> 01:22:08.279
going to work. Okay, get off of work and go

1530
01:22:08.399 --> 01:22:08.720
from there.

1531
01:22:09.800 --> 01:22:13.720
I got off of work, left Universal, driving back to

1532
01:22:13.800 --> 01:22:16.840
pick up Kaylee like a normal day, and I show

1533
01:22:16.920 --> 01:22:20.000
up to the apartment, knock on the door, Nobody answers.

1534
01:22:21.000 --> 01:22:24.600
So I calls any of the cell phone and it's

1535
01:22:24.880 --> 01:22:28.039
out of service. It says that the phone is no

1536
01:22:28.159 --> 01:22:28.920
longer in service.

1537
01:22:29.000 --> 01:22:29.479
Excuse me.

1538
01:22:30.880 --> 01:22:34.079
So I sit down on the steps and wait for

1539
01:22:34.159 --> 01:22:36.880
a little bit to see if maybe it was just

1540
01:22:36.960 --> 01:22:38.039
a fluke, if something.

1541
01:22:37.920 --> 01:22:39.560
Happened, and.

1542
01:22:41.479 --> 01:22:44.479
Time passed, I didn't hear from anyone. No one showed

1543
01:22:44.560 --> 01:22:47.039
up to the house, so I went over to J.

1544
01:22:47.159 --> 01:22:50.279
Blanchard Park and checked a couple other places where maybe

1545
01:22:50.399 --> 01:22:51.560
possibly they would have gone.

1546
01:22:51.840 --> 01:22:55.840
A couple stores, just regular places that I know. Is

1547
01:22:55.880 --> 01:22:58.640
the night of the shop's at and she's taken Kaylee before.

1548
01:23:00.640 --> 01:23:02.319
And after about.

1549
01:23:02.079 --> 01:23:06.239
Seven o'clock, when I still hadn't heard anything, I was

1550
01:23:06.279 --> 01:23:09.359
getting pretty upset, pretty frantic, and I went to a

1551
01:23:09.479 --> 01:23:10.159
neutral place.

1552
01:23:11.439 --> 01:23:13.600
I didn't really want to come home.

1553
01:23:13.640 --> 01:23:15.680
I wasn't sure what i'd say about not knowing where

1554
01:23:15.760 --> 01:23:18.640
Kaylee was, still hoping that I would get a call

1555
01:23:18.960 --> 01:23:21.720
or you know, find out that Kaylee was coming back

1556
01:23:21.800 --> 01:23:21.960
so that.

1557
01:23:22.039 --> 01:23:22.720
I could go get her.

1558
01:23:24.039 --> 01:23:27.359
And I ended up going to my boyfriend Anthony's house,

1559
01:23:27.880 --> 01:23:29.079
who lives in Sutton Place.

1560
01:23:31.960 --> 01:23:34.960
Did you talk to Anthony about what happened to Kelly

1561
01:23:36.199 --> 01:23:42.560
and anything I ever seen Kaylee before? Yes, and he

1562
01:23:42.640 --> 01:23:46.880
talked to anyone about Kaylee, about aarons with Kayley or.

1563
01:23:48.920 --> 01:23:51.560
A couple people, a couple of mutual friends who did

1564
01:23:52.039 --> 01:23:58.520
at I talked to jeff Jeffrey Hopkins. I also attempted

1565
01:23:58.560 --> 01:24:03.039
to contact Zanaila's mother and never received.

1566
01:24:02.720 --> 01:24:03.520
A callback from her.

1567
01:24:03.720 --> 01:24:05.039
He knows Zania's mother's name.

1568
01:24:07.760 --> 01:24:12.000
Wow, man, I think it's Gloria.

1569
01:24:14.399 --> 01:24:16.079
Do you know a telephone's mom?

1570
01:24:16.319 --> 01:24:17.039
I do not know.

1571
01:24:17.399 --> 01:24:19.119
Do you have any of these numbers program into your

1572
01:24:19.119 --> 01:24:21.119
sim car that you kept them to your other phone?

1573
01:24:21.319 --> 01:24:21.359
No?

1574
01:24:21.560 --> 01:24:24.399
I do not. How long did you have this old phone?

1575
01:24:25.399 --> 01:24:29.560
I've had the Nokia for almost a full year.

1576
01:24:30.159 --> 01:24:32.640
Okay, So after a full year of dealing with Janaida

1577
01:24:32.680 --> 01:24:35.439
and having a babyshit, and you don't numbers back and forth?

1578
01:24:35.520 --> 01:24:38.880
Sanaila's numbers changed a couple different times she switched services

1579
01:24:38.960 --> 01:24:42.880
between having Sprint and having eighteen tiers singular.

1580
01:24:43.359 --> 01:24:45.880
What about Jeffrey You've known him for at least four years.

1581
01:24:46.560 --> 01:24:48.640
His numbers changed a couple different times from when he

1582
01:24:48.800 --> 01:24:52.359
moved from Orleando up to North Carolina and back down

1583
01:24:52.399 --> 01:24:53.119
to Jacksonville.

1584
01:24:54.000 --> 01:24:56.079
I know I do have a current number for him.

1585
01:24:57.119 --> 01:24:58.159
How would you get that number?

1586
01:24:58.920 --> 01:25:01.199
If we can? I'm not on her phone, or I

1587
01:25:01.279 --> 01:25:03.760
might have it online. I may be able to access

1588
01:25:03.840 --> 01:25:05.359
it off the internet.

1589
01:25:05.800 --> 01:25:07.720
Okay, who else did you talk to about this? Beside

1590
01:25:07.800 --> 01:25:09.720
Jeffrey said he tried to call him and not his mom.

1591
01:25:10.000 --> 01:25:10.720
You talked to Jeffery.

1592
01:25:10.720 --> 01:25:13.079
Who else did you talk about I talked to Juliette Lewis.

1593
01:25:13.439 --> 01:25:15.319
She's one of my coworkers at Universal.

1594
01:25:17.319 --> 01:25:19.720
She works you still work at Universal? Yes? What the

1595
01:25:19.880 --> 01:25:20.720
what do you do at Universal?

1596
01:25:20.760 --> 01:25:21.600
An event coordinator?

1597
01:25:21.840 --> 01:25:24.079
Okay? What is Juliet What positions she?

1598
01:25:24.680 --> 01:25:27.039
She's also an event coordinator? Who work in the same department?

1599
01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:29.920
Do you have a number for Juliet.

1600
01:25:32.319 --> 01:25:32.880
Off hand?

1601
01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:38.079
I can't think of she and your card.

1602
01:25:38.800 --> 01:25:39.359
No, she's not.

1603
01:25:40.680 --> 01:25:42.960
Some of them were recent numbers. Her number just changed

1604
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:46.039
because she just moved back up north. She within the

1605
01:25:46.159 --> 01:25:50.079
last two months has finished moving up to New York.

1606
01:25:50.279 --> 01:25:51.800
She's losing her apartment.

1607
01:25:52.279 --> 01:25:54.560
So Juliette doesn't work at the Universal. No, she does not.

1608
01:25:54.920 --> 01:26:04.600
When didn't she leave Universal about two months ago? Who

1609
01:26:04.640 --> 01:26:05.680
else did you talk to about it?

1610
01:26:06.520 --> 01:26:09.319
It's been within that small group.

1611
01:26:09.520 --> 01:26:14.039
I've tried to find out just information from people going

1612
01:26:14.159 --> 01:26:18.720
out to different places like Fusion, Ultra Lounge, and a

1613
01:26:18.800 --> 01:26:20.640
couple of bars that I knows, and I had gone

1614
01:26:20.640 --> 01:26:24.119
to downtown before to Steve, just kind of random talk.

1615
01:26:24.159 --> 01:26:26.800
If anybody had heard about my nanny or talk to

1616
01:26:26.880 --> 01:26:27.319
her lately?

1617
01:26:27.680 --> 01:26:29.680
Did you tell me when specifically? Is that I'd took

1618
01:26:29.720 --> 01:26:30.159
your child.

1619
01:26:30.239 --> 01:26:35.000
Now, the only two people that I specifically told were

1620
01:26:35.159 --> 01:26:36.520
Jeff and Juliette.

1621
01:26:36.680 --> 01:26:40.600
And you don't have a number for Juliette, not off

1622
01:26:40.680 --> 01:26:42.680
hand now I do not. It's not on your phone.

1623
01:26:43.399 --> 01:26:44.399
It might be online.

1624
01:26:44.680 --> 01:26:46.119
It's definitely online.

1625
01:26:46.119 --> 01:26:49.439
I know it's on one of our old worksheets her

1626
01:26:49.520 --> 01:26:52.479
old number, which could still be active. I'm not sure

1627
01:26:52.520 --> 01:26:53.720
if it is, but I know she does have a

1628
01:26:53.800 --> 01:26:56.199
new number, which I just programmed into that.

1629
01:26:56.840 --> 01:26:58.640
When was the last time you talked to juliet.

1630
01:27:00.680 --> 01:27:04.439
Three weeks ago, shortly after this happened, so you.

1631
01:27:04.439 --> 01:27:14.560
Talked her after she left? What's the reason, though I

1632
01:27:14.640 --> 01:27:16.119
asked you this before, and I ask you to for

1633
01:27:16.279 --> 01:27:18.359
the record, what's the reason you didn't call the police before?

1634
01:27:18.960 --> 01:27:21.680
Since right now we're here because your grandparents or your

1635
01:27:21.760 --> 01:27:25.199
parents asked you about the child and they were concerned,

1636
01:27:25.239 --> 01:27:26.840
didn't get an answer for the child, or was they

1637
01:27:26.880 --> 01:27:29.920
called the sheriff's office? Why didn't you call prior to today?

1638
01:27:32.159 --> 01:27:34.000
I think part of me was naive enough to think

1639
01:27:34.039 --> 01:27:37.439
that I could handle this myself, which obviously I couldn't,

1640
01:27:38.520 --> 01:27:42.239
and I was scared that something would happen to her

1641
01:27:42.479 --> 01:27:46.279
if I did notify the authorities or at the media involved,

1642
01:27:46.439 --> 01:27:49.199
or my parents, which I know would have done the

1643
01:27:49.359 --> 01:27:49.800
same thing.

1644
01:27:51.640 --> 01:27:54.560
The fear of the unknown, fear of the potential of

1645
01:27:55.399 --> 01:27:57.960
Kiley getting hurt, of not seeing my daughter again.

1646
01:28:00.560 --> 01:28:02.600
Actually just at the onset nasher before we went on

1647
01:28:02.680 --> 01:28:04.159
tape and the last week again, just to make sure

1648
01:28:04.199 --> 01:28:08.199
we're clear. Is there anything about this story that you're

1649
01:28:08.199 --> 01:28:10.199
telling me it is untrue? Or is there anything that

1650
01:28:10.239 --> 01:28:12.279
you want to change or divert from what you've already

1651
01:28:12.319 --> 01:28:12.600
told me?

1652
01:28:12.960 --> 01:28:13.079
Sir?

1653
01:28:14.520 --> 01:28:17.039
Did you cause any andrew to your child Kaylee? Sir?

1654
01:28:17.279 --> 01:28:19.279
Did you hurt Kale or leave her somewhere? And you're

1655
01:28:19.319 --> 01:28:21.560
worried that if we find that out that people don't

1656
01:28:21.600 --> 01:28:24.720
look at you the wrong way. No, sir, And you're

1657
01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:27.920
telling me that Zanaida took your child without your permission as.

1658
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:30.239
At the last person that I've seen with my daughter.

1659
01:28:30.439 --> 01:28:34.199
Yes, where did Zanaida? Does she have another job besides

1660
01:28:34.239 --> 01:28:34.880
watching children?

1661
01:28:35.439 --> 01:28:40.720
She has a seasonal idea for Universal. However, the only

1662
01:28:40.960 --> 01:28:43.159
job that I know that she's had for the last

1663
01:28:43.159 --> 01:28:44.560
few years, she's been a fanny.

1664
01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:52.920
So seasonal employee at Universal. When was the last time

1665
01:28:52.920 --> 01:29:01.319
she worked at Universal? Do I have no idea does

1666
01:29:01.600 --> 01:29:04.399
Kelly take any medications she had suffered from any conditions

1667
01:29:04.439 --> 01:29:06.600
and the mental conditions that we need to know all.

1668
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.359
I was brought up before about taking some money from

1669
01:29:13.439 --> 01:29:15.319
some people, and I want to make sure I get

1670
01:29:15.359 --> 01:29:17.399
it on the tape. Do you have any problems with

1671
01:29:17.439 --> 01:29:21.479
drugs or narcotics, either prescripted vecrodicts or drugs coocaine, ecstasy

1672
01:29:21.600 --> 01:29:24.960
and math, anything like that. Have you ever been have

1673
01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:28.000
you ever been, ever been committed for thoughts of suicide?

1674
01:29:28.000 --> 01:29:32.960
Have you ever been on lakeside anything like that? Is

1675
01:29:32.960 --> 01:29:35.960
there any underlying cause to wise? And I would have

1676
01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:40.199
taken your drone? No, nothing that should make any statements

1677
01:29:40.279 --> 01:29:41.960
to you about only.

1678
01:29:41.840 --> 01:29:43.720
How much she loves Kaylee and how great of a

1679
01:29:43.840 --> 01:29:44.319
kid she is.

1680
01:29:45.840 --> 01:29:48.159
And have you talked and when you talk to Jeffrey afterwards?

1681
01:29:48.159 --> 01:29:50.239
I'm assuming that Jeffrey's child is still with him.

1682
01:29:50.439 --> 01:29:53.399
His child is still with him, Okay, he said.

1683
01:29:53.199 --> 01:29:55.840
To Nina had family up in New England and New York.

1684
01:29:56.079 --> 01:29:59.760
Yes, she has family down south, her mother and her sister.

1685
01:30:00.600 --> 01:30:03.520
Her brother's in New York. She's originally from New York.

1686
01:30:04.319 --> 01:30:09.960
And where's down south Miami area? Where she originally from

1687
01:30:10.279 --> 01:30:13.960
New York she born and raised in New York, she

1688
01:30:14.000 --> 01:30:16.880
had family outside of the country or I don't know.

1689
01:30:17.159 --> 01:30:19.359
As far as I know, she pretty much grew up there,

1690
01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:21.720
moved down here, went to University of Florida.

1691
01:30:21.920 --> 01:30:23.439
She Puerto Rican, she Dominican?

1692
01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:24.119
Is she white?

1693
01:30:24.159 --> 01:30:24.840
She's mixed.

1694
01:30:25.520 --> 01:30:27.479
She's black and Puerto Rican.

1695
01:30:30.279 --> 01:30:31.760
You don't know what her birthday is or don't want

1696
01:30:31.800 --> 01:30:32.560
what her birthday.

1697
01:30:32.279 --> 01:30:35.720
Is since September. That's well, I can remember.

1698
01:30:35.399 --> 01:30:41.800
At the moment if when we finished this, if you

1699
01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:44.720
would you be willing to draw with me to show

1700
01:30:44.760 --> 01:30:46.880
me where her mom lives in the apartment that you

1701
01:30:46.960 --> 01:30:51.039
used to drop her off at. Okay, is there anything

1702
01:30:51.039 --> 01:30:53.840
I haven't asked you about? Kaye Ers and I are

1703
01:30:53.960 --> 01:30:56.279
just a sincident in particular that you feel is important

1704
01:30:56.279 --> 01:30:57.880
that you wanted to tell me about before I turn

1705
01:30:57.960 --> 01:30:58.279
this off.

1706
01:31:00.279 --> 01:31:04.359
I mean, Kaylee has very distinctive features, even if her

1707
01:31:04.439 --> 01:31:05.720
hair was cut or change.

1708
01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:09.760
She's dark, hazel eyes, they're brown and green. She has

1709
01:31:09.840 --> 01:31:11.560
a birthmark on her left shoulder.

1710
01:31:14.479 --> 01:31:15.319
What kind of birthmark?

1711
01:31:15.680 --> 01:31:19.279
It's just like a small line. It almost looks like

1712
01:31:19.319 --> 01:31:29.560
a small little beauty mark. Really, I just want my

1713
01:31:29.720 --> 01:31:30.239
daughter back.

1714
01:31:30.680 --> 01:31:33.840
So Officers felt like now listening to that that this

1715
01:31:33.920 --> 01:31:36.000
has gotten too big. We've got to get a detective

1716
01:31:36.039 --> 01:31:39.560
in here. So another detective shows up, Rachel Posey. She

1717
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:42.079
takes Casey out. They go walking down the street to

1718
01:31:42.159 --> 01:31:44.600
separate away from the parents, and she's like, listen, tell

1719
01:31:44.640 --> 01:31:47.439
me now, is this a domestic problem? Are you afraid

1720
01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:49.840
for Kaylee to be around your parents? And you just

1721
01:31:49.880 --> 01:31:51.960
don't want to say that, and Casey says, nope, it's

1722
01:31:52.000 --> 01:31:56.920
all good, everything's fine, there's no problem. So they say, okay, well,

1723
01:31:56.960 --> 01:32:00.800
let's go to Universal Studios and go where you work

1724
01:32:01.159 --> 01:32:04.800
and we'll go confirm, you know, some other things up there.

1725
01:32:06.199 --> 01:32:10.520
So they show up at Universal and they speak to

1726
01:32:10.920 --> 01:32:12.880
a person named Leonard t.

1727
01:32:13.079 --> 01:32:14.399
Tura. I believe is how you say that?

1728
01:32:15.439 --> 01:32:19.039
And they're starting to ask about her employment there, and

1729
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:20.680
he's like, ho ho, hold up, hold on, hold up.

1730
01:32:20.880 --> 01:32:23.640
She doesn't work here. She hasn't worked here in years.

1731
01:32:25.199 --> 01:32:28.640
So the detectives are like, what y'all she not only

1732
01:32:28.680 --> 01:32:30.800
lied about her first job, she lied about her second job.

1733
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:35.840
Casey Anthony was completely unemployed this whole time. She never

1734
01:32:36.000 --> 01:32:37.640
for all these years she's been getting up and going

1735
01:32:37.680 --> 01:32:40.439
to work, was going to work. Understand that she got up,

1736
01:32:40.479 --> 01:32:44.119
got dressed, and never went to work. So the detectives

1737
01:32:44.199 --> 01:32:46.640
go back to the house and they call Casey out

1738
01:32:46.680 --> 01:32:48.880
on all of this, but Casey sticks with her story.

1739
01:32:49.520 --> 01:32:51.439
She's very confident that they are wrong. You must have

1740
01:32:51.800 --> 01:32:54.720
spoken to someone wrong. They're like, well, then come back

1741
01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:57.039
with us, Come come take us to your office.

1742
01:32:57.079 --> 01:32:59.039
Come show us what you do. She says, no problem.

1743
01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:00.279
She gets in the car.

1744
01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.520
When they get to the gate, the security gate security

1745
01:33:02.560 --> 01:33:04.479
won't let her through because she doesn't have her ID,

1746
01:33:04.600 --> 01:33:05.960
which she conveniently left at home.

1747
01:33:07.319 --> 01:33:07.640
Casey.

1748
01:33:08.279 --> 01:33:10.720
They finally police finally convince them and they let them through.

1749
01:33:11.079 --> 01:33:14.399
Casey walks with purpose, walks straight to an admin building,

1750
01:33:14.680 --> 01:33:17.039
goes down some halls, and then she finally gets to

1751
01:33:17.119 --> 01:33:18.760
the end of the hall and when she stops at

1752
01:33:18.760 --> 01:33:21.079
the end of the hall, she turns around, puts her

1753
01:33:21.079 --> 01:33:23.640
hands in her back pockets. She kind of smiles at

1754
01:33:23.640 --> 01:33:27.359
the officers and goes, Okay, fine, I don't work here.

1755
01:33:27.880 --> 01:33:30.840
But made them go through all of that before she

1756
01:33:30.880 --> 01:33:32.920
would admit that she didn't work there. So they take

1757
01:33:32.920 --> 01:33:35.439
her into a conference room where she admits that she's

1758
01:33:35.520 --> 01:33:39.079
been lying the whole time, but she will not waiver

1759
01:33:39.520 --> 01:33:42.840
that Kaylee was actually kidnapped so by this woman, Zenaida.

1760
01:33:42.920 --> 01:33:47.640
They go give her pictures of the woman Zenaida. She says, oh, yeah,

1761
01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:49.840
I see these Zenaida Gonzalez. But that's not the woman

1762
01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:52.079
I know. So police are now done. They throw their

1763
01:33:52.119 --> 01:33:55.000
hands up. Everyone's done with Casey. We've been on a

1764
01:33:55.039 --> 01:33:57.760
wild goose chase. This isn't a missing dog, this isn't

1765
01:33:57.760 --> 01:34:00.760
a missing purse. This is a child, your child, and

1766
01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:02.199
you're playing fucking games with us.

1767
01:34:02.680 --> 01:34:04.479
Can you imagine how upset the police would be as

1768
01:34:04.520 --> 01:34:05.840
well that she's just playing games.

1769
01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:09.199
So on July sixteenth, two thousand and eight, Casey's arrested

1770
01:34:09.279 --> 01:34:13.359
for lying, child neglect, lying to investigators, and interfering in

1771
01:34:13.479 --> 01:34:18.720
a criminal investigation. She was initially denied bail, but later

1772
01:34:19.039 --> 01:34:22.079
on August twenty first, she was given a five hundred

1773
01:34:22.079 --> 01:34:25.760
thousand dollars bail and required to wear a monitoring you

1774
01:34:25.840 --> 01:34:29.720
know device aka and ankle bracelet. So the investigation is

1775
01:34:29.760 --> 01:34:33.000
continuing during all of this, trying to find a Zenaida Gonzalez.

1776
01:34:33.439 --> 01:34:34.119
There's tips and.

1777
01:34:34.159 --> 01:34:38.079
Photos of of you know coming in about supposedly seeing

1778
01:34:38.119 --> 01:34:41.640
Kaylee and Zenaida. Multiple agencies are wasting resources on this

1779
01:34:42.000 --> 01:34:44.720
and lo and behold, wouldn't you know nothing?

1780
01:34:45.760 --> 01:34:46.960
They find no Zenaida.

1781
01:34:47.880 --> 01:34:51.720
The police went to follow up on Anthony Hopkins, remember

1782
01:34:51.760 --> 01:34:54.399
the guy that Casey spent time with with Kaylee supposedly,

1783
01:34:55.079 --> 01:34:56.560
and they wanted to kind of try to firm up

1784
01:34:56.600 --> 01:34:59.760
a timeline, so they went to talk to him. Now

1785
01:35:00.199 --> 01:35:04.159
here's a quick Q and a segment with Anthony Hopkins.

1786
01:35:05.479 --> 01:35:07.840
You're not going to believe this, Thank.

1787
01:35:07.720 --> 01:35:11.520
You, Ronor Good morning sir, Good morning, mister Hopkins. How

1788
01:35:11.560 --> 01:35:14.600
old are you? Twenty six? Do you know Casey Anthony?

1789
01:35:14.920 --> 01:35:15.119
I do.

1790
01:35:15.680 --> 01:35:21.279
When did you first meet her? Probably middle school? Did

1791
01:35:21.359 --> 01:35:24.119
you stay in touch from middle school up until two

1792
01:35:24.159 --> 01:35:24.960
thousand and eight.

1793
01:35:26.399 --> 01:35:27.000
Through passing?

1794
01:35:28.479 --> 01:35:33.880
How did you characterize your relationship with miss Anthony more

1795
01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:38.079
or less acquaintances? Weren't very good friends, not very good friends.

1796
01:35:40.720 --> 01:35:42.720
Did you ever work at Universal Studios?

1797
01:35:43.119 --> 01:35:43.399
I did?

1798
01:35:43.760 --> 01:35:47.119
When did you work at Universal Studios? Approximately two thousand

1799
01:35:47.159 --> 01:35:49.359
and two. How long did you work there?

1800
01:35:49.439 --> 01:35:49.479
For?

1801
01:35:50.439 --> 01:35:50.840
One year?

1802
01:35:51.399 --> 01:35:54.000
Did you ever work there at the same time that

1803
01:35:54.399 --> 01:35:55.560
Casey Anthony worked there?

1804
01:35:56.560 --> 01:35:57.119
I don't think so.

1805
01:35:57.920 --> 01:36:00.600
You don't recall ever seeing her there? Never did you

1806
01:36:00.760 --> 01:36:03.640
ever introduce Casey Anthony to a woman by the name

1807
01:36:03.680 --> 01:36:04.880
of Zenaida Gonzales.

1808
01:36:05.119 --> 01:36:05.560
I did not.

1809
01:36:07.439 --> 01:36:10.520
Did you ever use Zania Gonzales as a nanny?

1810
01:36:11.000 --> 01:36:11.359
No, sir.

1811
01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:13.159
Do you have any children?

1812
01:36:13.600 --> 01:36:13.960
No, sir.

1813
01:36:15.880 --> 01:36:19.359
Have you lived in the Orlando area consistently since two

1814
01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:20.079
thousand and two?

1815
01:36:20.560 --> 01:36:20.960
Yes, sir.

1816
01:36:21.279 --> 01:36:22.760
Have you ever lived in Jacksonville?

1817
01:36:23.119 --> 01:36:23.439
No, sir.

1818
01:36:23.640 --> 01:36:25.159
Have you ever lived in North Carolina?

1819
01:36:25.760 --> 01:36:32.600
No, sir, y'all, he didn't even have children. The guy existed.

1820
01:36:33.279 --> 01:36:35.960
He never lived in those places that Casey claimed to be.

1821
01:36:36.319 --> 01:36:38.880
He isn't even friends with her. The lies are so

1822
01:36:39.119 --> 01:36:42.760
complex it's scary. That means the wedding wasn't real. That

1823
01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:45.760
means the kids aren't real. None of it is real.

1824
01:36:46.439 --> 01:36:49.640
So another thing that happened is just eight days after

1825
01:36:49.760 --> 01:36:53.680
making bail, Casey was arrested again for writing checks out

1826
01:36:53.680 --> 01:36:58.319
of her friend Amy Hazanga's checking account without her permission.

1827
01:36:59.399 --> 01:37:02.000
Her parents did bail her out on this, and I

1828
01:37:02.079 --> 01:37:04.279
don't hate on them for this, y'all. It's their daughter.

1829
01:37:04.880 --> 01:37:07.479
They are just as much a victim as Kaylee is

1830
01:37:07.520 --> 01:37:07.680
in this.

1831
01:37:08.199 --> 01:37:09.399
They're doing the best they can.

1832
01:37:10.079 --> 01:37:14.199
There was investigations, you know, continuing after this to try

1833
01:37:14.239 --> 01:37:18.039
to figure out what's going on. On the night of

1834
01:37:18.239 --> 01:37:21.920
July sixteenth, backing up. The Anthony's gave permission for Casey's

1835
01:37:21.960 --> 01:37:25.880
car to be taken and processed. They also went and

1836
01:37:26.840 --> 01:37:30.039
pulled the trash bags that were that was thrown over

1837
01:37:30.079 --> 01:37:32.960
the fence. They were able to go retrieve that trash bags.

1838
01:37:33.399 --> 01:37:37.000
On July seventeenth. The Orange County Sheriff's Office even brought

1839
01:37:37.039 --> 01:37:39.359
in a cadaver dog that did a sweep around the

1840
01:37:39.359 --> 01:37:40.079
Anthony's home.

1841
01:37:40.319 --> 01:37:42.119
And guess what the dog's name was, Garris. I know

1842
01:37:42.199 --> 01:37:42.600
you want to know.

1843
01:37:43.119 --> 01:37:46.560
Garris went around the car. He alerted not only to

1844
01:37:46.640 --> 01:37:49.960
the trunk as having odor of human remains, but that

1845
01:37:50.159 --> 01:37:54.640
same day Garris went and hit in the backyard on

1846
01:37:54.840 --> 01:38:00.039
Kaylee's playout house as having had human remains there. The

1847
01:38:00.079 --> 01:38:03.039
double checked themselves. A completely different agency came in with

1848
01:38:03.159 --> 01:38:07.000
a completely new K nine and that dog too alerted

1849
01:38:07.399 --> 01:38:11.800
to the remains or of remains being left at the

1850
01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:15.000
Anthony home. The crime scene people dug it up. They

1851
01:38:15.039 --> 01:38:19.199
couldn't find Kaylee. They did preserve hair samples and air

1852
01:38:19.359 --> 01:38:23.960
samples Quantico Virginia. They found a hair sample in the

1853
01:38:24.039 --> 01:38:28.000
trunk and the FBI and Quantico tested that and they

1854
01:38:28.119 --> 01:38:30.680
found that that hair sample had a change in it

1855
01:38:30.840 --> 01:38:34.840
that only happens after a body starts decomposing. And guess

1856
01:38:34.920 --> 01:38:39.960
what that hair was identified as being Kaylee's. A leading

1857
01:38:40.079 --> 01:38:44.640
expert in biochemistry of decomposing bodies, specifically the odor from

1858
01:38:44.680 --> 01:38:48.399
the air sample that they took, immediately recognized the smell

1859
01:38:49.039 --> 01:38:54.960
as one of decomp that was taken. And during analysis

1860
01:38:55.520 --> 01:39:00.800
that was done of Kaylee's body, they found a concentration

1861
01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:05.159
of chloroform that was the highest that the person doing

1862
01:39:05.239 --> 01:39:07.880
the analysis had seen in twenty years.

1863
01:39:07.960 --> 01:39:09.640
It was the highest concentration of it.

1864
01:39:10.720 --> 01:39:13.760
Yes, chloroform is a naturally occurring thing in the body

1865
01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:16.800
when a body decomposes, but not at the levels that

1866
01:39:16.920 --> 01:39:23.439
they found it. These same samples were tested in multiple

1867
01:39:23.760 --> 01:39:26.279
crime labs and they confirmed the same thing that these

1868
01:39:26.439 --> 01:39:30.680
concentrations of chloroform found in the decomp juices and all

1869
01:39:30.720 --> 01:39:32.359
of that from the trunk of the car.

1870
01:39:33.239 --> 01:39:35.960
It was too high of levels of chloroform to be natural.

1871
01:39:36.840 --> 01:39:37.800
They also did.

1872
01:39:39.239 --> 01:39:43.800
And in forensic investigation of the home computer at the

1873
01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:47.119
Anthony House. And would you be surprised to know that

1874
01:39:48.079 --> 01:39:53.359
on March seventeenth and some other dates that there were

1875
01:39:53.920 --> 01:39:59.279
searches done specifically for chloroform how to make chloroform, neck breaking,

1876
01:40:00.079 --> 01:40:06.479
shovel chloroform, and death inhalation. There was a search on

1877
01:40:06.600 --> 01:40:10.439
drug library dot com making weapons out of household products

1878
01:40:10.520 --> 01:40:15.159
and how to make chloroform. Fun fact, both George Anthony

1879
01:40:15.279 --> 01:40:18.600
and Cindy Anthony are known to be working at those

1880
01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:21.319
exact times that those searches were done on those computers,

1881
01:40:21.600 --> 01:40:25.319
and it could not have been them. Thousands of people

1882
01:40:25.399 --> 01:40:31.279
continued to search for Kaylee. Hundreds of hours of investigation

1883
01:40:31.399 --> 01:40:34.520
were done trying to find Zanny. Zanny was never found

1884
01:40:34.800 --> 01:40:42.800
throughout the entire investigation, and on October fourteenth of twenty eleven,

1885
01:40:44.319 --> 01:40:48.760
Casey Anthony was arrested and indicted by a grand jury

1886
01:40:48.840 --> 01:40:53.279
on charges of first degree murder, aggravated child abuse, aggravated

1887
01:40:53.319 --> 01:40:56.720
manslaughter of a child, and four counts of providing false

1888
01:40:56.800 --> 01:41:00.680
information to police, and she was ordered held without bond.

1889
01:41:01.640 --> 01:41:04.760
Casey would sit in jail for two months, and then

1890
01:41:04.920 --> 01:41:08.920
on a rainy December eleventh, two thousand and eight, a

1891
01:41:09.119 --> 01:41:14.359
utilities worker found a tiny human skull on suburban drive

1892
01:41:15.199 --> 01:41:17.880
which was just in the sight of the elementary school

1893
01:41:18.199 --> 01:41:21.399
where Kaylee would have been had she been alive. And

1894
01:41:21.600 --> 01:41:24.000
guess what fun fact I'm I do another quickie episode

1895
01:41:24.000 --> 01:41:26.720
for y'all later on. But I went there, I've been there,

1896
01:41:27.399 --> 01:41:32.119
and I'll tell you more about it. The remains of

1897
01:41:32.319 --> 01:41:36.720
Kaylee Anthony were found wrapped in a Winnie the Pooh blanket,

1898
01:41:38.039 --> 01:41:41.319
then wrapped in trash bags and then put in a

1899
01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:45.600
laundry basket that were tossed into that wooded area. All

1900
01:41:45.680 --> 01:41:49.439
that remained now, though, were scattered bones and remnants of

1901
01:41:49.560 --> 01:41:53.279
her clothes, as well as parts of the bag, and

1902
01:41:53.359 --> 01:41:55.600
they searched for ten days to try to recover all

1903
01:41:55.720 --> 01:41:58.399
of her. But the fact was that Kaylee spent months

1904
01:41:58.520 --> 01:42:02.520
in that swamp, day and night, even alone during a hurricane,

1905
01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:05.479
that tropical storm Faith that came in and dumped water

1906
01:42:05.600 --> 01:42:08.359
all over her little body as she lay there. She

1907
01:42:08.560 --> 01:42:11.600
was there so long that roots had grown through her skull,

1908
01:42:12.720 --> 01:42:15.840
through the bags, through all of the leftovers that were there.

1909
01:42:16.800 --> 01:42:21.560
But duct tape was still sticking and it held the

1910
01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:26.199
mouth to the top of the skull. There were three

1911
01:42:26.239 --> 01:42:29.279
pieces recovered, and the jawbone was literally held to the

1912
01:42:29.359 --> 01:42:31.640
head because that piece of tape was there, and it

1913
01:42:31.760 --> 01:42:33.920
was also matted in the remnants of the hair that

1914
01:42:34.039 --> 01:42:40.560
was remaining. They did a warrant execution and found the

1915
01:42:40.720 --> 01:42:43.399
exact same brand and type of duct tape in the

1916
01:42:43.439 --> 01:42:48.399
Anthony home. Fun fact, the same duct tape was also

1917
01:42:48.479 --> 01:42:50.760
found on the gas cans that had.

1918
01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:53.439
Been taken by Casey Anthony.

1919
01:42:55.520 --> 01:42:58.159
Casey's Winnie the Pooh blanket was missing from the house,

1920
01:42:59.000 --> 01:43:01.439
interesting because that's what she was wrapped in, and the

1921
01:43:01.600 --> 01:43:06.399
laundry basket bag was also missing from the Anthony home.

1922
01:43:06.560 --> 01:43:08.399
Do you think that's a coincidence? Because I don't.

1923
01:43:08.560 --> 01:43:11.520
I don't believe in coincidences. There was no trauma to

1924
01:43:11.560 --> 01:43:13.600
the bones during the autopsy. But again, if she was

1925
01:43:13.640 --> 01:43:15.359
shot and the bullet went through and through and didn't

1926
01:43:15.399 --> 01:43:18.439
hit any bones, we wouldn't know that. The only evidence

1927
01:43:18.479 --> 01:43:20.640
of her death were the three pieces of duct tape

1928
01:43:21.119 --> 01:43:24.439
over her face and her nose. And the only person

1929
01:43:24.680 --> 01:43:27.399
who had access to all of these pieces of evidence

1930
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:31.119
I've mentioned to you was Casey Anthony. And the only

1931
01:43:31.199 --> 01:43:35.439
person who benefited from Kaylee's death was Casey Anthony. And

1932
01:43:35.560 --> 01:43:39.399
the only person who had lied this entire time was

1933
01:43:39.560 --> 01:43:46.000
Casey Anthony. On May twenty fourth of twenty eleven, the

1934
01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:50.199
trial began and it lasted about six weeks, and incredibly,

1935
01:43:51.000 --> 01:43:53.640
after everything that I have told you, in this really

1936
01:43:53.720 --> 01:43:58.079
long episode, the jury would deliberate for about ten hours

1937
01:43:58.439 --> 01:44:04.359
and would a quit Casey Anthony of all charges minus

1938
01:44:04.560 --> 01:44:10.840
the four misdemeanors of lying to the authorities. I know, y'all, y'all,

1939
01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:13.800
I know, I know how we all felt when we

1940
01:44:13.960 --> 01:44:15.760
learned this the first time. If it's your first time

1941
01:44:15.800 --> 01:44:18.039
hearing it, I know how we feel hearing it again

1942
01:44:18.560 --> 01:44:22.199
all these years later. But this is where solace comes

1943
01:44:22.239 --> 01:44:27.399
and I want to explain this. Acquitted does not mean innocent.

1944
01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:30.359
You are never found innocent in a court of law.

1945
01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:33.640
In this case should be a ringing example of why

1946
01:44:34.880 --> 01:44:40.800
not guilty does not mean innocent. Jose Biaz who was

1947
01:44:40.840 --> 01:44:42.840
her defense attorney, did an amazing job.

1948
01:44:43.239 --> 01:44:44.079
He did his job.

1949
01:44:45.000 --> 01:44:46.680
One thing I didn't like, though, was the way that

1950
01:44:46.760 --> 01:44:49.039
he tried to make George Anthony look like an idiot,

1951
01:44:49.079 --> 01:44:53.399
and it really irritated me. This is what I think

1952
01:44:53.520 --> 01:44:57.279
happened in this complete miscarriage of justice. I think that

1953
01:44:57.439 --> 01:45:00.560
Casey chloroformed her daughter with a homemade concoction, and I

1954
01:45:00.600 --> 01:45:03.319
think that Kaylee died as a result of it, combined

1955
01:45:03.359 --> 01:45:07.000
with suffocation in one way or the other. My reasoning

1956
01:45:07.079 --> 01:45:10.560
behind this will always be there is no reason to

1957
01:45:10.640 --> 01:45:14.640
put duct tape over a dead child's mouth, nor is

1958
01:45:14.720 --> 01:45:17.840
there ever a reason to put duct tape over a

1959
01:45:18.000 --> 01:45:19.079
live child's mouth.

1960
01:45:19.560 --> 01:45:19.960
Period.

1961
01:45:20.760 --> 01:45:24.760
Casey Anthony killed her child. I don't care what the

1962
01:45:24.840 --> 01:45:29.199
courts say. Why was she acquitted? A lot of people

1963
01:45:29.279 --> 01:45:29.880
have that question.

1964
01:45:30.319 --> 01:45:31.199
This is my belief.

1965
01:45:31.680 --> 01:45:34.520
The prosecution felt like they could prove murder beyond a

1966
01:45:34.600 --> 01:45:37.880
reasonable doubt, but where they failed was that they couldn't

1967
01:45:37.920 --> 01:45:43.560
prove how Kaylee Anthony died. They could not physically prove

1968
01:45:44.239 --> 01:45:47.039
that she was chloroformed because so much time had gone by.

1969
01:45:47.880 --> 01:45:50.079
If they would have gone after second degree murder, in

1970
01:45:50.199 --> 01:45:54.720
my opinion, I think that they had an enormous amount

1971
01:45:54.760 --> 01:45:58.800
of inferred evidence or of circumstantial evidence, and I think

1972
01:45:58.840 --> 01:46:02.000
that she would have been convicted, and I think she

1973
01:46:02.039 --> 01:46:03.880
would have spent the rest of her life in prison.

1974
01:46:04.159 --> 01:46:07.920
But legally, the jury needed to know what happened, and

1975
01:46:08.039 --> 01:46:14.600
they couldn't make that jump. And that is why, regardless

1976
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:17.399
of what happened, I think that she was acquitted on

1977
01:46:17.600 --> 01:46:21.079
this case. But I'm gonna tell you this, Being a

1978
01:46:21.199 --> 01:46:25.960
mother is something that is the greatest gift of your life,

1979
01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:30.319
and Casey Anthony didn't want it. She got a job

1980
01:46:30.640 --> 01:46:36.439
she wasn't qualified for. A mother is selfless, and Casey

1981
01:46:36.520 --> 01:46:42.279
Anthony was not. A mother loves unconditionally, and Casey Anthony

1982
01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:47.760
did not. A mother gives up and sacrifices for the

1983
01:46:47.960 --> 01:46:52.600
betterment of her children, and Casey Anthony was not willing to.

1984
01:46:53.880 --> 01:46:57.279
A real mom would storm the gates of hell with

1985
01:46:57.439 --> 01:47:01.880
only a glass of ice water for protection against the devil.

1986
01:47:02.680 --> 01:47:04.760
But Casey couldn't be bothered.

1987
01:47:07.399 --> 01:47:11.760
All Casey Anthony did was kill lie and get away

1988
01:47:11.800 --> 01:47:14.760
with it and have to pay a four thousand dollars

1989
01:47:14.920 --> 01:47:17.800
fine after being given credit for time served, and she

1990
01:47:18.039 --> 01:47:23.600
walked out the door. Today, Casey continues to play the

1991
01:47:23.720 --> 01:47:28.920
victim a mother of a murdered child who interesting you know, interestingly,

1992
01:47:28.960 --> 01:47:31.039
i'd like to add, has never gone out on the

1993
01:47:31.079 --> 01:47:35.159
search for the real killer, interesting to me in all

1994
01:47:35.239 --> 01:47:38.840
these years, as well as play the victim of someone

1995
01:47:38.880 --> 01:47:41.920
who has put on trial but claims she didn't do it.

1996
01:47:42.560 --> 01:47:47.239
She's innocent. She acts like she's beautifully broken and that

1997
01:47:47.800 --> 01:47:51.479
the haters are out there. Well, I'll tell you this.

1998
01:47:51.680 --> 01:47:54.840
They say that people hate on you because they want

1999
01:47:54.920 --> 01:47:59.359
something you have. Well, I'll be honest, you can count

2000
01:47:59.399 --> 01:48:02.560
me into that. Group of people because it's true, Casey,

2001
01:48:03.760 --> 01:48:07.079
you took your daughter's life, and all we the people

2002
01:48:07.159 --> 01:48:09.239
want in return is yours.