Double Cross | Princess LaCaze and the Natchitoches Cowboy Murder

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime
podcast where I tell stories of real crimes

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with real victims, whose cases are
so shocking that many are left wondering how

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is this even real? I use
my experiences in law enforcement corrections, and

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combined with my years as a criminal
justice educator, dig deep into complex cases

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of evil acts, some so evil
many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences.
If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is
advised. Hey y'all, kJ you're back

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for another episode of Unspeakable. How
is it going? How was your Thanksgiving?

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Let me ask you that because I
have a story I have to tell

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y'all, and I know it's past
Thanksgiving, but this is crazy. If

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you were watching on Patreon on Patreon
right now, if you're watching this video,

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then I got to show you my
hand real quick. If you're not

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a patron member, you won't be
able to see it. But if you

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are, you need to go look
at the video because I got to show

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y'all something. Hang on, let
me lean into this camera so you can

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see my hand. You get the
lighting right? If you can tell i'm'n

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have to take a picture. Okay, there it is right there. See

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that big old scratch and all these
wounds in my hand. Y'all, are

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you listening to me, because this
is very, very important. You need

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to write this down. Do not
mess with a man's nuts. Okay,

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you don't mess with a man's nuts. And I'm not talking about my husband.

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I'm talking about my beloved pet squirrel, Joseph Burrow. I stuck my

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hand in his cage like I do
every day of my life, to give

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him some lovings and some nuts.
And apparently I put my hand right next

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to where he had hidden some of
his nuts, and that boy attacked me.

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He attacked me with a wrath of
three thousand rhinos, and he almost

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killed me right there in the middle
of Thanksgiving. I was fighting for my

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life. It was horrible, and
so I had to eat my Thanksgiving dinner

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with my hand all wrapped up and
bloodied. So I was like, oh

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my god, this is terrible.
I can't believe he turned on me like

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that. What a butthole. So
I went inside and I was like,

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I'm just gonna relax. And so
it was chilly, so I was going

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to light a fire right, and
so I couldn't get it lit. It

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wouldn't work. So I called my
brother in law because nobody else was home

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with that time, and I was
like, hey, can you come help

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me light this fire? And because
I had turned the gas on and tried

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to light it, turned it off, turn it on, and it wouldn't

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work, and so he said,
sure, no problem that. I'm so

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sorry he had Stephen mad apologies,
bro, But he went down and I

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turned that gas on and apparently I
hadn't like cleared it out good enough,

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and y'all, lit, he lit
that lighter and boom, blew up at

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his face. He blew backwards like
something out of the movies. I lit

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his eyebrows on fire and his beard
and tore him up from the floor up

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and he's okay, y'all, he's
all right. But between my squirrel and

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my fire, I almost look.
Thanksgiving was a beast this year. So

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I hope you had a good one. But I just had to share that

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with you, because dad gummet it
got serious in that house. Now,

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before I start this episode, which
is a Louisiana episode, by the way,

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you spoke and I listened, and
a lot of my my peeps are

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from Louisiana and wanted a Louisiana episode. I got you. Okay, before

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I start that, though, I
have some shout outs I want to give,

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and I'm going to start with Miss
Shanil Acord and girl, I'm pretty

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sure that you are the Shanil that
I met before I was even podcasting.

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It's when I first met Woody Overton
and we became friends and I asked him

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to come to a live at my
school and he did, and I think

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I stood in line with you and
we hit it off, and you were

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just a joy to be around.
So hey, girl, I remember you

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and thank you so much. Look
look hout far we've come in a whole

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year. Look at this. You're
supporting my show now and it just means

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the world to me. I've also
got Miss Neelie Arnold from Bastrip, Texas,

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and I love getting Texas fans because
it reminds me or it makes me

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feel like, you know, my
sister's from Texas, so I'm like,

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ooh, they might know my sister. Like it's not the biggest state,

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you know, in the world,
so which it's it's not, but it's

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pretty damn big, Okay, but
I feel like everybody knows each other in

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Texas. And then I've got Mariah
Taylor all the way from Birmingham, Alabama.

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I've also got Miss Neelie Arnold from
Bastrip, Texas. And I love

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when I get Texas fans because that's
where my sister's from. And I feel

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like y'all all know each other,
even though you know, it's not like

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a huge state or anything, all
right. And then Mariah Taylor from Birmingham,

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Alabama. Hey, Mariah. I
taught a girl named Mariah one time,

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but she spelled it different, and
I don't know when I see it.

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You're the way you spell it.
You spell it normal, So tell

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your mama thank you. It made
it easy for me to read. And

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then, last but not least,
I've got Danielle Hallowell from Edenton, North

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Carolina. Hey, girl, how
are you? What's it like in North

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Carolina during during the winter. I'm
curious. I've never actually been there,

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I don't think. Thank y'all all
so much for your support. You know,

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it's become ever so apparent to me
since I became a podcaster that you

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know, people get to pick and
choose where they spend their money, and

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when you choose to support me as
a content creator, that means a whole

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lot to me. You know,
it's a different than going in supporting these

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huge businesses that you know, big
box stores. This is really something that

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means so much to me, and
my content comes from my heart. I

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work really hard on these episodes.
So your support, I want you to

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know it. It's so means so
very much to me and I want to

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thank you so much. So let's
jump into this episode. It's going to

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take place in Nakadish, Louisiana,
and this is going to start out in

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nineteen ninety seven. Now, Nakadish
in relation to me, it's about one

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hundred and eighty miles from where I
am. It's about a three hour drive,

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and it's kind of interesting, just
a little history lesson real quick.

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Nakadash is more than three hundred years
old and is actually the oldest settlement in

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northwest Louisiana. And fun fact for
people who also aren't from here Louisiana,

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a lot of people know New Orleans, right, it's even older than New

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Orleans, which is crazy, right
because everyone thinks New Orleans that's the first

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one that comes to mind. And
by the way, on that note,

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y'all, it's New Orleans. Everybody
say that with me New Orleans. Please

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don't say New Orleans. You are
gonna get robbed if you come here and

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you say New Orleans, because we
know you're not from here New Orleans,

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now you know? All right?
On that note, if you've never seen

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how nakodish is spelled, try it
real quick. Try it in your head

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to spell nacodish, Pause it and
try to spell it. And then I'm

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a spell it for you. If
you've never seen it, all right,

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you ready? Nakadish n at c
h I t o c h e s.

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It's one of those words like our
in New Orleans you have choppatulis right,

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and nobody knows how to spell anything
down here. But now you know

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so anyway, Natchez is also one
of the places in our state that is

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rich in culture and history and shopping
too, by the way, and I

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like to do me some shopping.
But it's famous for like Creole plantations.

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They have museums, lots of music. I almost feel like when I'm talking

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about it, I can hear the
accordion, you know, going and playing.

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But lots of festivals too, y'all
know, y'all know we like the

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festival down here. We will find
a reason too. Festival, it doesn't

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matter. We would do crawfish festival, frog festival, buttole festival, we

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don't care. We will have a
party if if we can. And the

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Christmas Festival of Lights is the biggest
and the oldest festival that they do.

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Matter of fact, it goes on
for six weeks. We like the party

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down here, all right. But
it's also a lot like a lot of

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other areas, a lot of country
places where people get up before daylight they're

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off to work, and lots of
cattle and horses in the areas. As

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matter of fact, it's home to
one of the largest cattle operations in the

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area, and it's run by the
Smith the Smith family, Rayburn Smith family,

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and it's it's a pretty big operation. And something I really like about

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the people who work in cattle is
it always seems like they're rough and tough

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guys, but like deep down in
their hearts you can tell it's almost like

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you know, Yellowstone, if you're
y'all watching that or have watched it,

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the cowboys may be rough and tough
and roll, you know er, But

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they love the animals and they put
a whole lot of effort into making sure

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that those animals are well taken care
of. And they sometimes treat the animals

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better than they treat people. Right. One rough cowboy who worked for the

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Smith Cattle Company was a man by
the name of Mike Lecaz and he was

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born in nineteen fifty five. He
grew up with three siblings, and he

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was a cowboy y'all from day one. He grew up around cattle, and

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he was known for his natural skill
when working with this livestock. He rode

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bulls and he roped cattle. Dude
was described literally as tough as nails,

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all right, And it was really
no surprise to anyone that after he graduated

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high school he immediately went to work
in that field, and so, you

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know, describing him. I read
a statement about him that someone said he

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literally was one of the last real
cowboys, if you want to think of

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him that way. He wasn't just
for show. He didn't put on the

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outfit for show. He dressed to
to be rough and tumble and to take

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care of these cattle. And it
didn't matter what he was working with.

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Whether it was cattle, sheep,
horses, didn't even matter the animal.

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Mike knew what the hell he was
doing, and everybody knew it. Right.

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He was a man's man and he
was an animal's cowboy. Now,

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don't get it twisted, though,
Just because he was a rough and tough

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cowboy doesn't mean that he wasn't into
being a committed man either, Okay,

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because when he made his mind up
about a lady, he made his mind

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up. Matter of fact, he
wasn't scared at all. And the proof

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is in the pudding here, y'all, because he got married in June of

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nineteen seventy four, like literally,
as soon as he graduated from high school,

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he fell in love with this young
girl. Her name was Ronda.

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I have an aunt Ronda, by
the way, if she's listening, hey

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girl. But he fell in love
with a girl named Ronda, and she

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was a few years younger than him. But that did not stop and it

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didn't bother him at all that she
was younger. And Ronda was quoted as

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saying that the first time she ever
laid eyes on him was when she was

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getting off of a school bus and
she turned to one of her little friends

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and said, ooh, I'm going
to marry that boy. And sure enough,

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if she didn't, y'all, like
for real, like something out of

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the movies, she was still in
school, and of course she would have

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to be, because y'all want to
know how old Rondo was when she got

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married. Fourteen four to the fricking
teen Holy cow, right, But she

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was fourteen years old when they got
married. He was a little bit older

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than her seventeen. And I know
that sounds crazy, but people did it

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right. This is back. It's
not twenty twenty three when this was happening.

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So there was no doubt that the
two of them were in love.

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And in nineteen seventy eight, a
few years after they got married, they

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would start having children together. Their
first child was Michael Junior, and then

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their second child was born in nineteen
eighty and his name was William Lane.

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And although they were young, they
seemed I was impressed by them. They

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seemed to have a good head on
their shoulders. And Mike was willing to

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do whatever he had to do to
take care of his little family and working

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as a cattle hand. You know, that's not work for the for the

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week of heart and it was common, and it still is common that people

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who work on these farms will get
broken bones and injuries and you know,

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other issues associated with working your body
hard. You know, my own husband,

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I've seen him super glue many many
a wound in his day. But

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y'all, that's what that's what men
do, right, and and that's what

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cowboys do. They cowboy up and
they don't let anything get the best of

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them. And by all accounts,
Mike wasn't someone who complained a lot.

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He liked to joke and laugh and
he was playful, but he was hard

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nosed when it came to work.
And he literally was not a sissy.

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And that's why when Mike started experiencing
symptoms that he could not get past,

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and he was like, this just
doesn't seem to go along with what I'm

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doing daily at work, and he
started kind of complaining about it, they

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knew, look, something's really wrong
because he doesn't complain. So he decided

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to go to the doctor and get
more answers as to what could possibly be

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causing these problems for him, and
soon thereafter, Mike was diagnosed with polycystic

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kidney disease and he was only nineteen
years old when this happened. But now

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I'm a curious person, so I
did a little more research on the disease

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to kind of see what Mike would
have been dealing with. And if you've

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been listening for a while now,
you know that I'm someone who's gonna,

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you know, look at his symptoms
and really apply this to what he was

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dealing with and what he was going
through. It's part of his story.

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So the symptoms I found include like
high blood pressure, severe back and side

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pain, and a really swollen or
distended abdomen, amongst other issues. And

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I mean, hell, my back
hurts just doing laundry. Can I get

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amen? Right? But this man's
out there, you know, fighting animals

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and doing hard work, and on
top of that, he's hurting pretty bad,

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and all jokes aside. You know, it's hard to ignored these symptoms

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after so long, but he still
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young wife and those young babies.
Now, it wouldn't probably surprise you that

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I tell you this, but young
love doesn't last a lot of the time,

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and this case is no different.
Right when you're young and you marry

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somebody, it's not necessarily what you're
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twenties. So as Mike and Ronda
grew older, the stresses of marriage and

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raising children were really you know,
they were realized, and they quickly determined.

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By nineteen ninety, they had been
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it just wasn't going to work out, and they both went their separate

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ways. I didn't get any feeling
that there was any hatred or angst between

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the two of them. It just
was kind of like they grew apart and

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they were like, I don't think
I want to do this anymore, and

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they kind of mutually separated. They
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no big stink, and it was
it was just over. And while

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his marriage may have failed, Mike
wasn't one to sit around and wallow in

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his sorrows. He just pretty much
delved deeper into his work. He says,

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well, plenty of time, and
I want to make some money.

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So he just worked harder on the
farm, right And a few years would

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go by, but he would later
be introduced to a thirty year old local

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woman named and I am dead serious
when I tell you this princess a thirty

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year old woman named princess. Now, look, okay, I know it's

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not nice to make fun of people. I'm not making fun And if your

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name is princess, that's that's lovely, okay, But your mama couldn't really

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come up with something better than princess. Come on, girl, I mean,

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come on. I mean, I
guess not because she named her princess.

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But it, y'all, it made
me think about this movie. I'm

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I'm a shooto straight. Have y'all
ever seen the movie Let's Be Cops where

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they go in and they're pretending to
be cops and then they get dispatched out

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and they go to this fight at
a house to break up between these two

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women, and then a woman says, He's like, what's your name?

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What's your david? She says precious, and they don't believe her. I

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literally can't. I can't let this
go because that's all I could think about

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when they said her name was princess. So I want to insert the audio

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for that movie just because it cracks
me up. I watch you try to

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listen to it, because this is
legit how I felt the whole time I

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was looking up information. Oh God, how dawn, sir, excuse me,

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that's a map. Oh you guys
seem like two classy latest. Where's

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your name, precious? What is
your real name? Precious? Yeah?

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But like when you were Bornwooded,
you're not your gang name or your sugar

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name. Yeah, precious, so
precious, great name. Why don't you

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tell us what's going on here?
Mike met Princess whenever he was working for

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her father in nineteen ninety two.
And Princess's father his name was Joe,

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and he was a well known farmer
in town. And he was also known

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as a hothead and pretty dominating when
it came to his family, pretty obvious

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to everyone who came in contact with
him that he wore the pants and the

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family and he was not to be
questioned. And Mike was a cowboy though,

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and he wasn't really bothered by Joe's
personality or lack thereof, so it

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didn't scare him off. And he
and Princess quickly became an item. And

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you know, back then, when
Princess was in her thirties, she was

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considered a very very pretty lady,
and I guess you know, she could

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be considered a catch as far as
looks go. And she was country as

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a turnip green. Okay, she
was raised on a farm by her father.

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She knew how to work hard,
and Mike and her basically had a

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lot in common with that respect.
They got along really well, and their

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relationships seemed to just be as a
natural match as any. They just got

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on perfect together. Now a little
bit about Princess. She herself was divorced.

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She was a single mother of three
children, and having Mike around was

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really a good thing for all of
them. Another added bonus was that Princess's

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kids were around the same age as
Mike's kids, and so they could play

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around each other and it made for
great built in playmates, right to combine

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the families together. So Mike and
Princess decided that they were going to make

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their relationship official, and on June
third of nineteen ninety three, they got

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married. And they settled into this
modest home in the country, just outside

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of town. And it wasn't this
huge home or anything. It was just

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a wood frame house. And Princess
may have, you know, a Latti

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Dai name, but a large home
wasn't part of her requirements or anything.

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But she did like to dress nicely. So while Mike would be walking around

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town with spurs on, his cowboy
boots and his blue jeans, Princess was

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always dressed to a tea. Every
hair was in place, and she liked

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to look immaculate wherever she went.
Now, Michael was also blessed in another

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aspect of his life, and that
aspect would be in friendship. Mike's best

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friend was a manned by the name
of Maryland Robinson, and their friendship was

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was tried and true. And the
proof in that was that it had been

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over a twenty year friendship that they
had been best friends, and they basically

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grew up together and every memory they
had each other was in it was in

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it. I mean, they did
everything together. And it's kind of funny

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to say this, but as much
as Mike worked, if you asked him

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what his hobby was, he probably
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he was so devoted to his job. And he was so lucky too

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in the fact that his best friend, Marylyn often worked alongside of him.

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So he had a great setup,
y'all. He had a beautiful wife,

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freshly married, he has his best
friend working with him, and I guess

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you could just say. It's a
testament to their friendship that even his ex

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wife, that first wife, Rhonda, agreed that they were tighter than anyone

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else, even making the comment in
an interview one time that Marylyn probably knew

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Mike better than she did. I
mean, this bromance was real, Okay.

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So everything seemed to be going really
well in life until nineteen ninety seven,

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when only four years of marriage had
gone by, when Mike was dealt

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a serious blow with regard to his
health. It turned out that all those

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years of that grueling physical labor on
the farm was starting to really really take

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its toll on his body. And
he found out that not only did he

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have that kidney disease, but he
was now in the throes of experiencing kidney

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failure. So this was a big
deal. I mean, you have to

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have your kidneys, right, I
mean, they're essential to your body.

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So Mike when he found out,
you know, he was bombed out,

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but he took it like a champ. And he was in a really good

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place mentally after the shok war off, and he was ready to fight and

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even went to the extent that he
scheduled to have a shunt put into his

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kidneys for the purpose of assisting with
kidney dialysis, because he said, look,

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I'm gonna go ahead and I'm going
to do the dialysis. This would

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add years to my life. And
the Princess says, of course, baby,

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that's what we have to do.
We'll be able to, you know,

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live a longer life together. We'll
chase our dreams. It's all gonna

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work out. It's gonna be fine. But just two days before that life

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saving treatment was supposed to start,
that's when the tragedy would strike Mike and

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Princess's household. Because just after seven
PM, a call came in to the

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Sheriff's office nine one one, and
on the other end of that line was

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Mike's wife. It was Princess,
and she was terrified. She had just

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come home and when she opened the
door and walked in, she found her

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husband laying on the floor. He
was unresponsive, and from the doorway she

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could see him laying in a pool
of blood. The blood was all around

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him, and she screamed out to
him, Mike, but he didn't respond,

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and the amount of blood just it
it was too much for her.

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She became extremely emotional. She wasn't
sure if he was dead or alive,

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and she just begged on the phone, please get here quickly. Oh my

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god, he's not answering me right. So sheriff's deputies were immediately dispatched to

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their home, and that's where they
found forty one year old Mike laying on

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the floor by the bar in the
kitchen. He was on his back,

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but he was face up and his
hands were extended above his head where he

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lay. He didn't have a shirt
on, and he didn't have shoes on,

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and blood was pooling around him where
he lay. Other than the noise

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of the TV playing in the background, the house was extremely quiet and extremely

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still, and as a police approached
his body, became really clear that they

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were way too late to help him. Mike was dead, y'all, but

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this was a fresh kill. He
hadn't been dead long. So detectives searched

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the home and they found in the
doorway leading into the kitchen that there was

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a thirty caliber thirty caliber shell casing. So for Mike's position and the placement

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of the casing, it seemed that
he had been shot through the left shoulder

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and then into the left side of
his chest cavity and This means someone else

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had to be responsible for the death, because it would have been nearly impossible

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for someone to shoot themselves in that
placement with that weapon. Plus it was

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quickly noted that there was no weapon
there, so it couldn't be a suicide.

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I mean, dead people don't remove
weapons. So Mike's death was shocking

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to say the least. I mean, how could someone so tough be killed

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so easily? And no one even
could name an enemy that Mike had,

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Like, no one could even think
of someone that would have even a grudge

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against him. So police started thinking
an investigators said, well, maybe this

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is a robbery gone bad. And
what brought them to this conclusion was the

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fact that the home was in disarray, so there was lots of papers thrown

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around. They saw drawers pulled out
and they were emptied on the floor,

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so pretty much a telltale sign of
someone's been going through his stuff. Now,

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looking at the totality of the circumstances, police were thinking about the fact

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that there also had been some break
ins and some burglaries in the area recently,

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so it's not too far fetch to
think, Okay, well, maybe

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we need to take a step back
and really look at this and see what

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we can assess from this crime scene
visually. And something to point out is

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that it's not just what you see
in a crime scene that matters. Right,

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So, even as my listeners,
right, when y'all look at crime

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scene photos, it's not just what's
in the photo that matters. I mean,

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it's how you see it. Most
of us look at a crime scene

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photo and we try to figure out, okay, well, how could that

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item have gotten where it is based
on human interactions with the person or the

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item. I mean that investigators will
tell you that crime scenes have a way

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of like talking to you. You
know, you're walking through the motions to

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figure out how did A become B
become C. And the thing was that

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this crime scene wasn't really saying much
to them in reality, looking at the

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crime scene, it just seemed really
basic. It wasn't very complex. It

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was just like Mike's dead on the
floor, Drawers are pulled out, papers

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are everywhere. But it didn't really
it didn't really tell a story of what

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had occurred. So investigators started to
work the inner circle, which to some

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may actually even seem offensive, especially
when you love someone and you know in

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all actuality. It's it's really normal. It's necessary because the inner circle we

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all know this is usually the closest
to the victim, and only someone close

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to a victim would usually want to
hurt them, unless it's just completely at

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random, which is not a strong
statistic if you look at that in terms

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of crime. So the police decided
to escort Mike's wife, Princess, back

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to the police station to ask her
some more questions and hopefully they would be

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able to get a little more insight
as to what Mike's day would normally be

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like. And they also wanted to
clarify what were Princesses whereabouts that day.

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They wanted to rule her out,
as you know, possibly being involved in

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the murder. So Princess explained the
actions of her day. She told investigators

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that she had to work from eleven
to five, so she left the house

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that morning, and she hadn't even
spoken to Mike since she said goodbye to

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him that morning when she left her
work. After she finished work, she

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went to one of Mike's trailers,
and she said she picked up some shoes

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and some sheets and then she headed
home. But she was also able to

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provide receipts from Walmart, proving that
she was actually there as well. And

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from what I understand, she actually
worked at Walmart. Okay, So the

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receipts were timed around six thirty pm, and that was before she went to

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the house and discovered Mike's body and
then promptly called nine to one one.

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So Princess described seeing Mike sprawl on
the floor and he was in that pool

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of blood, and that's when she
says, yeah, I panicked. He

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wasn't answering me, so I ran
back outside. But she never entered the

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home to like personally check him.
And you know, I'm personal opinion here,

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but I did find that odd of
a reaction for the man that you

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love to be laying there and you
just look from the doorway and then run.

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But you know, I know that
everyone's reaction to violence is different,

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And you know, I'd like to
think that if I saw the man I

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love laying on the ground at a
pool of blood, I would rush straight

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up to him and at least attempts
CPR or to stop the bleeding or something.

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But she didn't do that. But
I've learned this, y'all that you

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can't always assume someone's behavior is indicative
of foul play. Totality of your life

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experiences will change the way that you
react to things. If you've never seen

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violence, it might make you panic. If you're used to violence, it

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may not make you panic. But
she literally had no knowledge of how this

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murder could have happened, nor did
she have any clue of anyone who would

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have wanted to do it. So
when the questioning was complete, she was

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released by police to go and grieve
properly with her family. So police continue

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digging into Mike's life, but they
came up with nothing that could possibly explain

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how he ended up murdered in the
kitchen. By all accounts, you know,

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everyone gave the same story. Mike
was just a hard working guy.

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He didn't have any aspect of his
life that would really open him up to

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this type of violence. So the
thing is this, Okay, every murder

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has the same causes. Don't care. You can go through every murder you've

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ever listened to or watched or been
a part of, but they all have

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00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:08.559
the exact same causes. And it's
gonna be one of three things, y'all.

408
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:12.200
It's gonna be money, It's gonna
be revenge, or it's gonna be

409
00:28:12.279 --> 00:28:15.720
sex when it is all said and
done. That's all there is. The

410
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:21.640
only motives people find to kill people. It's literally that simple. All you

411
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:25.759
have to do is go down the
list and try to figure out which one.

412
00:28:25.799 --> 00:28:30.119
And that's exactly what police did.
They kept digging into every aspect of

413
00:28:30.160 --> 00:28:36.880
Mike's life. So they start with
money. They checked into all of his

414
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:41.000
finances, and they did a bunch
of poking and prodden, and they found

415
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:47.039
everything was sound. He didn't known
any money to anyone. There was no

416
00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:51.359
bunch of debt that he had to
someone. No one owed him a bunch

417
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:55.319
of money. They quickly ruled out
money. It was just not an issue

418
00:28:55.839 --> 00:29:00.039
and it wouldn't have been a reason
to kill Mike. Also important to mention

419
00:29:00.119 --> 00:29:04.920
here was that when Princess went and
walked through the home with investigators to help

420
00:29:04.920 --> 00:29:10.160
them determine what all was taken from
the home, she couldn't identify anything that

421
00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:15.559
was missing except some photos that were
normally there. And that that's just odd,

422
00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:19.559
right, I Mean, if all
of the drawers were dumped and papers

423
00:29:19.599 --> 00:29:25.079
were strown everywhere, wouldn't you think
that they were searching for something of some

424
00:29:25.200 --> 00:29:29.000
type of value, because if not, then what's the point of destroying the

425
00:29:29.039 --> 00:29:33.480
home. Why would someone break into
a home and take photos. It seems

426
00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:37.519
like they would want TVs or phones, or jewelry or something that's got value

427
00:29:37.559 --> 00:29:41.240
other than sentimental value. But she
couldn't point anything out. Nope, it's

428
00:29:41.279 --> 00:29:48.359
all here, so kind of weird. But money was not the cause of

429
00:29:48.400 --> 00:29:52.640
this death. So then they moved
on to revenge. So police interviewed a

430
00:29:52.640 --> 00:29:56.599
whole lot of people, but they
couldn't find anyone who Mike had a grudge

431
00:29:56.599 --> 00:30:00.400
against or vice versa. Mike.
He was a good old boy. He

432
00:30:00.480 --> 00:30:04.359
worked, he ate, and he
slept. There were no hidden there's no

433
00:30:04.480 --> 00:30:10.079
hidden life no one knew about.
There was no illegal activities, there were

434
00:30:10.160 --> 00:30:15.400
no red flags, nothing. But
this is curious, right, I mean,

435
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:19.279
the order of the world says that
this just can't be. It can't

436
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:23.880
be that there's nothing wrong and someone
ends up murdered. There is a rhyme

437
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.960
and a reason to everything. Police
just had to figure it out. They

438
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:30.559
had to put the puzzle pieces together. The problem was they were lacking some

439
00:30:30.599 --> 00:30:36.880
pieces, a lot of pieces actually, So police even wondered, Okay,

440
00:30:37.640 --> 00:30:42.920
what if this somehow was a suicide. I mean, weirder things have happened,

441
00:30:42.920 --> 00:30:48.480
okay, I mean, what if
he did kill himself and then Princess

442
00:30:48.519 --> 00:30:52.400
came home and wanted to spare him
the embarrassment of, you know, being

443
00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:56.400
someone who took their own life.
So he you know, the weapon was

444
00:30:56.440 --> 00:31:00.279
there, but she came in and
took the weapon and hid it. But

445
00:31:00.319 --> 00:31:03.519
that didn't They couldn't find anything that
would point to that. You know,

446
00:31:03.680 --> 00:31:08.839
they could not make sense of anything
because even in Princess's own questioning, she

447
00:31:10.039 --> 00:31:15.519
mentioned that he had this big hope
for his upcoming dialysis for his kidney condition,

448
00:31:15.160 --> 00:31:18.279
and he was going to do everything
he could to fight this illness.

449
00:31:18.319 --> 00:31:23.319
He wanted to live. He didn't
have any desire to die none. Mike

450
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:29.000
genuinely wanted to improve his quality of
life, and he had made extensive treatment

451
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.640
plans to achieve this goal. I
mean, Helly was just two days out

452
00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:37.880
from starting his treatment. So Mike's
son, Mike Junior I guess we'd call

453
00:31:37.960 --> 00:31:41.400
him, was sixteen years old when
his dad was killed. And as you

454
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:45.720
can imagine, this was pretty rough
on his boys. He adored his kids,

455
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:49.480
he loved them. He worked hard
to provide for them, and he

456
00:31:49.559 --> 00:31:53.079
never would have just up and left
them either. It just didn't seem to

457
00:31:53.160 --> 00:31:59.960
fit that suicide was an answer.
His kids actually found out after a hunting

458
00:32:00.039 --> 00:32:01.599
trip that they were on, and
they said that their mom wouldn't tell them

459
00:32:01.640 --> 00:32:06.440
what happened until they returned, and
when they got back, they were devastated,

460
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:08.799
as you can imagine, but they
were also like stunned that this could

461
00:32:08.799 --> 00:32:14.079
happen to their dad. It wasn't
something that you would expect in his life.

462
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.440
But really nothing was comeing to light, and the only motive left and

463
00:32:19.519 --> 00:32:24.319
that age old list of reasons to
kill was sex. But Princess and Mike

464
00:32:24.359 --> 00:32:30.119
were happily married. I mean they
were looking forward to Mike's quality of life,

465
00:32:30.359 --> 00:32:32.759
you know, improving so that they
could grow old together and achieve all

466
00:32:32.759 --> 00:32:37.480
of the goals that they had set. So detectives decided to go back to

467
00:32:37.519 --> 00:32:42.559
the original crime scene and work the
theory that Mike had possibly been the victim

468
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:46.359
of a robbery that went wrong,
and lending a little more steam to this

469
00:32:46.519 --> 00:32:51.720
idea, was the obvious motive given
the disheveled nature of the house and the

470
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:53.960
fact that it appeared to be rummaged
through, and so their idea was like,

471
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.799
okay, well, maybe there was
a transient person that wasn't even from

472
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:01.440
the area that randomly selected the house. They were looking for money or things,

473
00:33:01.559 --> 00:33:07.279
you know, to steal and sell. And so officers decided, maybe

474
00:33:07.279 --> 00:33:08.640
we should go over to the neighbor's
house. Let's see if we can drum

475
00:33:08.720 --> 00:33:12.400
up some new leads by people that
live, you know, near Mike.

476
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:17.759
And wouldn't you know it, like
a good neighbor state farm was there,

477
00:33:19.880 --> 00:33:22.279
Well not really, it wasn't state
farm, but there was a good neighbor,

478
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:28.680
right, And this neighbor remembered something
that they thought might should be shared.

479
00:33:29.480 --> 00:33:35.880
She remembered seeing a black suburban suv
driving down the road and suspiciously.

480
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:39.680
She said, it was seen multiple
times in the area in the weeks surrounding

481
00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:44.519
the murder as well, and it
just really seemed out of place. And

482
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:47.519
come to think of it, the
neighbor says, yeah, I saw the

483
00:33:47.640 --> 00:33:52.400
suv on the day of Mike's murder
too. She saw it coming out of

484
00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:55.480
the driveway and then she saw it
turn and go down the road. Now,

485
00:33:57.240 --> 00:33:59.279
you know, as luck would have
it, she didn't get the license

486
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.960
plate or anything, but she did
get a good look at the driver.

487
00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.000
Nice right, my girl will spill
the beans. Let us know what's he

488
00:34:06.039 --> 00:34:08.679
looked like. So this got detectives, you know, hanging on her every

489
00:34:08.679 --> 00:34:12.519
word. And so they asked her
to describe the driver of the suv and

490
00:34:12.559 --> 00:34:15.320
this was the description that she gave. She said it was a male,

491
00:34:15.719 --> 00:34:21.159
he was lighter completed, and he
had dark hair. So that sounds like

492
00:34:21.199 --> 00:34:24.079
a really generic statement, right,
But once they were able to get this

493
00:34:24.079 --> 00:34:29.039
neighbor to come in, they were
actually able to get a composite drawing of

494
00:34:29.039 --> 00:34:31.280
what they believed the driver would look
like. And once they got that composite

495
00:34:31.360 --> 00:34:35.960
sketch, they took the approach of
handing out that sketch, along with the

496
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.679
description of the vehicle, to multiple
other law enforcement agencies to see was there

497
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:45.440
any other agency that Mike could help
them identify the vehicle and or the driver.

498
00:34:45.639 --> 00:34:50.119
Now, during that time, there
were also some people that came forward

499
00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:52.360
and believed they might have an idea
of someone who might have wanted to kill

500
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.480
Mike. And honestly, this was
a bit of a stretch. But when

501
00:34:55.519 --> 00:35:00.320
you have no leads other than a
black vehicle and a generic you know,

502
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:05.039
drawing of someone you think might have
been involved. Police were willing to just

503
00:35:05.119 --> 00:35:08.320
check out anything that came their way. Mike's father in law, Joe,

504
00:35:09.280 --> 00:35:13.840
was described, as I told you
before, as not the friendliest guy in

505
00:35:13.880 --> 00:35:16.360
town and was a hothead. So
some people said, look, I think

506
00:35:16.519 --> 00:35:21.559
Joe may be involved here, and
if he himself didn't, you know,

507
00:35:21.719 --> 00:35:24.679
kill Mike, it could be that
he hired someone to kill Mike so that

508
00:35:24.760 --> 00:35:30.440
Princess could get out of their relationship. Now there's no mention as to why

509
00:35:30.559 --> 00:35:34.440
she would want to be out of
the relationship. They were happily married.

510
00:35:34.480 --> 00:35:37.360
But investigators still went to speak to
to Mike's father in law, Joe and

511
00:35:37.400 --> 00:35:42.400
to see what he had to say, and from the jump, Joe was

512
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.760
adamant that he had nothing to do
with Mike's death, and investigators were curious,

513
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:51.039
you know, what type of weapons
do you have, Joe, And

514
00:35:51.079 --> 00:35:55.239
in just conversation it kind of came
around to the fact that Joe did own

515
00:35:55.360 --> 00:35:59.880
a lot of weapons, including,
you know, a high power rifle that

516
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:05.400
they believed was similar to the one
that killed Mike, and Joe willingly says,

517
00:36:05.440 --> 00:36:07.960
come see, I'll show you my
whole entire gun collection. You can

518
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:12.920
look at my cabinet and interestingly,
all of his guns were in place.

519
00:36:13.039 --> 00:36:15.880
There was nothing missing, and you
would think if you used a gun to

520
00:36:15.960 --> 00:36:19.920
kill somebody, or you hired someone
and provided a gun to kill somebody,

521
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.280
that you wouldn't leave it in the
cabinet. Every one of his weapons was

522
00:36:22.320 --> 00:36:29.400
accounted for. And another thing that
was kind of sticking out like a sore

523
00:36:29.440 --> 00:36:34.199
thumb was that, you know,
Joe's whereabouts were known during the time that

524
00:36:34.239 --> 00:36:39.159
Mike was killed. He was involved
in some other activities that he couldn't have

525
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:44.239
possibly been in two places at one
time. So basically, investigators found no

526
00:36:44.280 --> 00:36:46.480
way to connect Joe to the murder, even though some people in town really

527
00:36:46.480 --> 00:36:50.880
felt like he was the guy.
So the weeks continued to pass and they

528
00:36:50.920 --> 00:36:53.840
had no solid leads, and they
were still looking for that black suv,

529
00:36:54.000 --> 00:36:58.960
but it wasn't tracked down and nobody
saw it, and the case, y'all

530
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:02.559
was going cold really fast, and
police kind of started to think to themselves

531
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:07.519
that someone just may have gotten away
with murder. But on September twelfth,

532
00:37:08.000 --> 00:37:13.719
Princess walked into the police station wanting
to speak to detectives, so they bring

533
00:37:13.760 --> 00:37:15.800
her back and they're like, you
know, what's going on? And with

534
00:37:15.920 --> 00:37:22.320
her she had a handwritten statement where
she believed that Mike may have hired someone

535
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:29.199
to assist him in committing suicide.
She said that Mike was wanting to die.

536
00:37:29.280 --> 00:37:32.360
He was refusing to go on dialysis
and the truth was that he didn't

537
00:37:32.360 --> 00:37:37.039
want to be hooked up to a
machine and he was going to refuse any

538
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:42.320
surgery for a kidney transplant if it
came about now. If you remember on

539
00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.760
March first, when Princess initially came
in and she made her statement to the

540
00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:50.519
police, she made no mention of
this and was adamant that he was excited

541
00:37:50.559 --> 00:37:52.840
to be getting, you know,
treatment opportunities and that he was looking forward

542
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.920
to feeling better. So why now
is she coming forward with the idea that

543
00:37:57.960 --> 00:38:01.000
he was suicidal and why hadn't she
mentioned this at the very beginning. It's

544
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:07.599
kind of like a complete, you
know flip here. Well, could it

545
00:38:07.599 --> 00:38:10.480
be that she was trying to protect
his image and now that you know,

546
00:38:10.519 --> 00:38:15.719
the heat was kind of on and
that nothing had been found, maybe she

547
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.679
was wanting the truth to come out, or was there more to the story

548
00:38:20.039 --> 00:38:22.800
and she was starting to get nervous, so she was trying to come up

549
00:38:22.800 --> 00:38:29.199
with an explanation for something that she
hasn't even been asked to explain. Remember,

550
00:38:29.639 --> 00:38:31.760
Princess wasn't the only person in Mike's
life that he was close to.

551
00:38:32.719 --> 00:38:37.679
He was really close to all of
his sons and his brother as well.

552
00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.320
So investigator said, look, we
want to go talk to these people and

553
00:38:43.360 --> 00:38:47.079
see if there was any instances that
they know of where Mike said he didn't

554
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:52.440
have the will to live. And
so when they go to Mike's family,

555
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:59.519
they are emphatic that that was absolute
nonsense, and they if Mike was going

556
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:00.440
to say that he didn't want to
live, or if he was wanting to

557
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:05.559
end his life, they would know
about it. They certainly didn't believe he

558
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:08.360
would have confided that in Princess and
then not them. You know, it

559
00:39:08.440 --> 00:39:12.840
was completely out of left field,
and honestly, it completely took him by

560
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:17.239
surprise. And they were happy detectives
had stopped by too, because something else

561
00:39:17.239 --> 00:39:21.159
had come up in the last few
weeks that they were wanting to talk to

562
00:39:21.199 --> 00:39:25.159
detectives about. And what came up, y'all was the rumor Mill. And

563
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.400
y'all know, I don't care where
you're from. Y'all know how that rumor

564
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:32.360
mill works, you know it.
I mean, I've heard rumors about myself

565
00:39:32.400 --> 00:39:36.440
before that were I was stunned to
find out the things that I had done

566
00:39:37.239 --> 00:39:44.559
incredible, right, That rumor mill
is always churning. So y'all belly up

567
00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:49.519
to the table, because I'm about
to spill the tea. According to the

568
00:39:49.599 --> 00:39:54.679
rumor mill in town, ever since
Mike was killed, his beloved princess has

569
00:39:54.760 --> 00:40:00.440
been spending a whole lot of time
with his best friend, Marilyn Robinson.

570
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:07.360
Did you hear that? If you
didn't, it was every woman listening to

571
00:40:07.360 --> 00:40:12.039
this show right now going mmm hmmm, because y'all knew that was coming,

572
00:40:12.079 --> 00:40:15.079
didn't you. You cannot turn a
hoe into a housewife, as Luda would

573
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:21.320
say, can't turn a hoe into
a housewife. Hosedn' ac Right, y'all

574
00:40:21.320 --> 00:40:24.159
know that song, don't you?
If not, google it? But here's

575
00:40:24.159 --> 00:40:30.840
the kicker. It's bad enough when
your best friend would start courting your wife

576
00:40:30.880 --> 00:40:37.519
pretty quickly after you've been murdered,
But it's even worse when after your murder

577
00:40:37.239 --> 00:40:43.039
there are claims that this isn't a
new romance, but rather they've been having

578
00:40:43.039 --> 00:40:51.159
an affair for almost two years prior
to Mike's death. Well, considering we

579
00:40:51.280 --> 00:40:53.760
never got to the last item on
the list of obvious reasons to kill,

580
00:40:54.199 --> 00:40:58.800
now seems like a really good time
to dive on into that whole idea of

581
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:04.880
sex being a cause to kill someone. But y'all, just because a rumor

582
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:07.800
is started doesn't mean that it's true. We all know that. So the

583
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:12.320
police had to go and try to
mitigate truth from fiction and facts from lies.

584
00:41:12.760 --> 00:41:15.159
And look, I really appreciate that
too. They didn't jump to conclusions

585
00:41:15.199 --> 00:41:19.199
and say, oh, here we
go smoking gun. No, they want

586
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:22.320
to investigate it and see if there
was any fact, because there's a lot

587
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:24.639
of messy people in this world that
run their head about everything and they know

588
00:41:24.800 --> 00:41:31.519
nothing right. And I'd also imagine
that this was a tad uncomfortable because you

589
00:41:31.519 --> 00:41:37.840
know, you're riding a thin line
as an investigator of offending a widow and

590
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:40.119
also accusing her of stepping out on
her recently deceased husband. So there's got

591
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.719
to be a little delicacy, you
know, when you're approaching this idea.

592
00:41:45.880 --> 00:41:47.800
But the good news is this,
the police don't have to directly walk up

593
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.320
to her and say Hey, have
you been sleeping with you know, Marilyn.

594
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:55.639
The they can do some indirect investigating
to see if there's any hanky panky

595
00:41:55.719 --> 00:42:00.360
going on. Because I submit to
you, ladies and gentlemen, that phone

596
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:07.000
records do not lie. The detectives
in this case would agree, because when

597
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:14.440
they subpoenaed the records, it started
looking really curious that there was a little

598
00:42:14.440 --> 00:42:20.760
bit of unusual activity on the actual
day of the murder on Maryland's phone records.

599
00:42:21.239 --> 00:42:24.719
And this would include a call made
from a convenience store which was interestingly

600
00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:31.119
on the route from Princess's home to
the Walmart in Winfield where she was working.

601
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:37.079
And that call was made from that
convenience store to Maryland about eight thirty

602
00:42:37.079 --> 00:42:42.360
in the morning on the morning of
the murder. Now, I wouldn't consider

603
00:42:42.360 --> 00:42:46.239
this a smoking gun or anything,
but when you look at it in totality

604
00:42:46.280 --> 00:42:51.400
of the circumstances, it's really curious
that this took place. You know,

605
00:42:51.559 --> 00:42:53.840
is it possible that Princess could have
been the one making the call in an

606
00:42:53.840 --> 00:42:58.320
effort to hide the fact that she
had, you know, her cell phone

607
00:42:58.360 --> 00:43:00.400
on her, which would have easily
been able to be tracked. So did

608
00:43:00.480 --> 00:43:06.039
she stop and make the phone call
herself to Marilyn instead of using her cell

609
00:43:06.079 --> 00:43:09.960
phone, So something that detectives also
would have to prove. That's you know,

610
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:15.559
you always have to look at these
cases, you know, down the

611
00:43:15.639 --> 00:43:17.840
road, they would have to prove
that. Okay, if they're going to

612
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:22.079
believe that that Princess did make the
call from the payphone and if they were

613
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.119
having an affair, it's great circumstantial
evidence. But then you have to think

614
00:43:27.159 --> 00:43:30.800
down the line of Okay, now
I have to prove to a jury that

615
00:43:30.880 --> 00:43:34.679
she actually made the phone call too. So it may be a red flag

616
00:43:34.719 --> 00:43:38.039
in the investigation, but it's not
proof, it's not fact. It's circumstantial.

617
00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:45.280
So detectives decided, let's shift from
looking into Mike's actions on you know,

618
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:47.119
on the day of his death,
and let's look a little closer to

619
00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:53.119
what Princess was doing since Mike's death. Maybe that would talk to them a

620
00:43:53.159 --> 00:43:57.840
little bit more. And this turned
out to be rather interesting because it looked

621
00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:02.480
as if she was living her best
life in meeting after Mike's ended. Matter

622
00:44:02.519 --> 00:44:07.079
of fact, y'all, she was
living such a good life that she was

623
00:44:07.119 --> 00:44:10.519
living her best life all over the
world. She had been to the Bahamas,

624
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:15.679
she had gone to the Caribbean,
and she had also gone to Hawaii.

625
00:44:15.800 --> 00:44:21.639
And again giving her the benefit of
the doubt, people do grieve differently.

626
00:44:21.679 --> 00:44:27.800
Maybe she needed to get away a
bunch. But what was interesting was

627
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:31.960
how was she able to afford these
trips because it wasn't like they were filthy

628
00:44:32.039 --> 00:44:37.480
rich or anything. And what they
found was that she was using Mike's death

629
00:44:37.519 --> 00:44:44.239
policy payouts to go on the trips. So they looked into these policies to

630
00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:47.039
see, okay, well, how
much money are we talking And it turns

631
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:57.159
out she didn't receive one payout or
two or three. She actually got four

632
00:44:57.320 --> 00:45:02.719
payouts on Mike's death, and each
of these policies paid out twenty five thousand

633
00:45:02.800 --> 00:45:07.760
dollars. Also rather interesting was the
fact that Princess was quick to sell off

634
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:13.400
their property and their home. And
while none of this in and of itself

635
00:45:13.440 --> 00:45:15.079
is going to prove a murder or
anything, it really starts pointing the finger

636
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:21.360
at Princess, you know, being
involved in some fashion in her husband's death.

637
00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:25.519
Not only had she gotten a hefty
payload from his insurance, but she

638
00:45:25.639 --> 00:45:30.480
also made good money off of selling
his property in their home and then she's

639
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:34.599
also entertaining a lover who happens to
be her deceased husband's best friend for the

640
00:45:34.639 --> 00:45:37.840
past few years. And this is
what we in the business would call a

641
00:45:37.880 --> 00:45:43.440
clue. So by December of nineteen
ninety seven, detectives are convinced they know

642
00:45:43.519 --> 00:45:47.159
who is responsible for Mike's death,
but proving it's the hard part. So

643
00:45:47.599 --> 00:45:52.039
have Princess's actions so far looked really
bad? Yes? Does she look like

644
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:58.079
a total hoe bag, yes,
But being a bad acting hoe bag doesn't

645
00:45:58.079 --> 00:46:00.519
mean you're a murderer. I mean, if that was the case, half

646
00:46:00.559 --> 00:46:04.760
of the towns in America would be
locked up, right, So detectives kept

647
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:09.440
digging for more information, and what
they found was that Maryland and Princess had

648
00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:14.400
also taken trips together. They had
gone to Houston, and they had gone

649
00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:21.960
to New Orleans. But at some
point shortly after Mike's death, that relationship

650
00:46:22.039 --> 00:46:25.239
began to sour, wouldn't you know
the grass is not always green on the

651
00:46:25.280 --> 00:46:32.000
other side, And rather quickly had
that relationship soured, But Princess had begun

652
00:46:32.039 --> 00:46:39.239
another relationship while still trying to break
off the relationship with Maryland and the new

653
00:46:39.239 --> 00:46:45.000
man in Princess's life was named Simon
Sarpy. Now Simon, by all accounts,

654
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.800
seems to be a nice guy,
and I did some research on him.

655
00:46:47.360 --> 00:46:51.239
I'm gonna be honest with you.
I was really torn as to whether

656
00:46:51.280 --> 00:46:53.639
I was gonna put this part in
the podcast or not, because y'all,

657
00:46:53.639 --> 00:46:57.559
he didn't commit a crime, and
I didn't want to put a spotlight on

658
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.000
this poor guy. But I find
that it's important to the case that I

659
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:06.840
went ahead, and I'm gonna tell
it to you. Although Princess was with

660
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:13.679
this new love interest named Simon,
Simon was a guy that also had a

661
00:47:13.719 --> 00:47:17.199
conscience, all right, And based
on some research that I did, Simon

662
00:47:17.280 --> 00:47:22.480
also worked for the Department of Probation
and Parole. And when I found that

663
00:47:22.559 --> 00:47:28.400
out, I hoped that based on
his work experience, this would mean that,

664
00:47:28.840 --> 00:47:31.119
you know, he was a good
man who made good decisions, based

665
00:47:31.159 --> 00:47:35.159
on the fact that you know,
he's overseeing bad people that have made bad

666
00:47:35.199 --> 00:47:39.480
decisions. And it looks like that
was an absolute fact, because even though

667
00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:45.639
he was seeing Princess and he thought
she was beautiful in all, a pretty

668
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:50.719
face and a pretty heart are two
very different things. And she had said

669
00:47:50.719 --> 00:47:54.679
something to him that just had not
sat right, and he couldn't shake it

670
00:47:54.760 --> 00:48:01.000
ever since she said it. He
Princess didn't outright admit to him that she

671
00:48:01.079 --> 00:48:06.199
had murdered Mike or anything, but
she told him that she was worried about

672
00:48:06.199 --> 00:48:10.119
the police coming after her, and
then she mentioned something about a gun being

673
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:14.760
thrown in a local river. And
at this point, y'all, Mike had

674
00:48:14.800 --> 00:48:17.679
been dead for nearly nine months and
no one had been held accountable for his

675
00:48:17.840 --> 00:48:22.960
death. So Simon's listened to what
she's say and going, wait a minute,

676
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:25.280
what why would the police be coming
after you? And what the hell

677
00:48:25.320 --> 00:48:30.679
are you talking about a gun in
a river? And she never really would

678
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.320
follow up on what she had said, but it just lingered in Simon's mind.

679
00:48:35.679 --> 00:48:40.400
And where there's smoke, there is
fire. So Simon does the right

680
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.880
thing and he goes to the police. And I watched part of his interrogation,

681
00:48:45.840 --> 00:48:52.599
and his body language just gives off
that he is just like overwhelmed.

682
00:48:52.000 --> 00:48:57.320
He doesn't want to be wrongly accusing
a widow of anything. He also is

683
00:48:57.360 --> 00:49:00.360
seeing her, but he just,
you know, like he's right in his

684
00:49:00.360 --> 00:49:01.719
head a lot, you know,
and men like rub their head and they

685
00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:05.000
take their hat off, and then
they rub their head and they put their

686
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.719
hat back on when they're trying to
like think through stuff. That was kind

687
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:10.000
of the body language you got from
this guy, and you know, police

688
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:14.519
really believed that there was something to
what he was saying. So they bring

689
00:49:14.559 --> 00:49:20.519
Princess back in for more questioning,
and once again, she starts answering their

690
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.239
questions, but this time she kind
of looks like a child caught with her

691
00:49:22.280 --> 00:49:27.199
hand in the candy jar because she
changes her story. And if there's anything

692
00:49:27.239 --> 00:49:30.719
I know and you know it too, it's that the truth never changes.

693
00:49:31.880 --> 00:49:38.199
People only change their story when they
forget to remember what they said, or

694
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:44.599
they're trying to construct lies to fill
the gaps for other lies that they may

695
00:49:44.639 --> 00:49:47.119
have told. My daddy always has
said this to me. He's like,

696
00:49:47.159 --> 00:49:50.760
well, baby, the truth is
easy because you never have to remember what

697
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:53.199
you said. That's a direct quote
my dad always said, and it rings

698
00:49:53.239 --> 00:49:58.920
true to this day. So remember
that letter that she brought in about Mike

699
00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:04.960
wanting to end his life. Well, now she said Mike had asked her

700
00:50:05.480 --> 00:50:09.880
to end his life and she just
couldn't bear to do it. But while

701
00:50:09.960 --> 00:50:15.639
she was just too heartbroken y'all to
do it. She wasn't near as heartbroken

702
00:50:15.719 --> 00:50:22.760
to ask her lover to do it. Hm. Hm, right, that's

703
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:30.639
right. Mike's best friend, who
unbeknownst to Mike was also his wife's lover,

704
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:37.840
was asked about doing the job.
Now. It was her position that

705
00:50:37.159 --> 00:50:42.039
Marilyn and Mike had talked about it
and he was going to put Mike out

706
00:50:42.079 --> 00:50:45.960
of his misery. Per Mike,
Mike wanted this to happen. Now,

707
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:51.239
even if that was true, which
I'm highly doubting, it seems kind of

708
00:50:51.239 --> 00:50:54.440
strange to me that Mike would be
sitting at the table or on the couch

709
00:50:54.480 --> 00:51:00.440
eating a bowl of cereal while he's
about to be executed by his best friend

710
00:51:00.760 --> 00:51:06.159
willingly and knowingly. It just seems
like a really really odd situation. I

711
00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.760
Mean, I've never personally planned my
own execution, but it seems to me

712
00:51:09.320 --> 00:51:14.519
like I'd rather be laying down on
a couch or sitting in a chair rather

713
00:51:14.559 --> 00:51:20.119
than putting food in my mouth and
watching TV as someone puts a bullet in

714
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:25.039
my head or on my shoulder in
his case. You know, I'd also

715
00:51:25.360 --> 00:51:29.559
like to that point to say that
I would rather a bullet in my head

716
00:51:29.599 --> 00:51:32.559
and not in my shoulder if someone
was going to kill me for myself,

717
00:51:32.679 --> 00:51:37.320
Like, why would you want to
suffer and risk not dying? Even though

718
00:51:37.360 --> 00:51:43.519
I know it's I know the caliber
weapon is gnarly, But Princess claims she

719
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:47.519
calls Maryland to let him know that
she would be gone because she heard that

720
00:51:47.639 --> 00:51:52.679
Maryland would be taking care of it, so when she got home, she

721
00:51:52.800 --> 00:51:54.719
now admits, Look, I wasn't
shocked that he was dead, and that's

722
00:51:54.719 --> 00:51:58.440
why I didn't go in the house
and check on him, because I knew

723
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:04.360
who had done it. But just
y'all, human nature alone, the beauty

724
00:52:04.400 --> 00:52:07.679
of the world right now is in
the world forever, is that we get

725
00:52:07.679 --> 00:52:09.840
to think people, We get to
assess art, We don't have to listen

726
00:52:09.920 --> 00:52:12.960
to what other people tell us and
take it as fact. We get to

727
00:52:13.039 --> 00:52:17.119
use our brains right and human nature
alone would make me want to know more

728
00:52:17.159 --> 00:52:22.559
information if I were Princess and if
that story were true, which I don't

729
00:52:22.559 --> 00:52:25.199
believe, but if it were true, I would want to know more.

730
00:52:25.400 --> 00:52:29.480
Did he suffer? Oh, my
god, was he scared? Did he

731
00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:32.920
have any final words for me?
His beloved wife? My love? Right?

732
00:52:32.960 --> 00:52:37.519
Who wants to end his life?
And like doctor fucking Kevorkian over here,

733
00:52:37.440 --> 00:52:42.360
you're gonna execute your best friend.
I just I don't know, man,

734
00:52:42.519 --> 00:52:45.000
I would want to know more.
But the innocent Princess claims that she

735
00:52:45.159 --> 00:52:49.119
just didn't ask any questions. What
was done was done. It was Mike's

736
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.599
will, and there you go,
it's done. My hands are clean.

737
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:57.800
Yeah, whatever, that dog,
don't hunt y'all. You know. So,

738
00:52:57.960 --> 00:53:00.079
investigators felt at this point they had
to do what they needed and enough

739
00:53:00.119 --> 00:53:04.840
was enough. So at that point, both Maryland and Princess were arrested for

740
00:53:04.960 --> 00:53:09.239
Mike's death, which is a shocking
blow to his family. This is a

741
00:53:09.239 --> 00:53:13.679
direct quote from one of his sons, William. It was in my mind

742
00:53:13.679 --> 00:53:17.280
that Princess got something to do with
it, but I never would have thought

743
00:53:17.280 --> 00:53:22.440
about Maryland. There is no way
a best friend would do that to me.

744
00:53:22.119 --> 00:53:27.039
I remember saying, they ain't no
way, There's no way Maryland done

745
00:53:27.079 --> 00:53:30.679
that. It was like, what
in the world she twisted his mind?

746
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:37.920
And that's the truth about it.
Isn't that weird too that the son knows

747
00:53:38.920 --> 00:53:45.800
that Maryland murdered his dad and he
still is like leapfrogging over that and saying,

748
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:51.719
Princess must have warped his mind.
What that tells me is that the

749
00:53:51.840 --> 00:53:54.679
son knew Maryland well enough to know
that Maryland was a good guy. This

750
00:53:54.760 --> 00:54:04.039
went bad. Sex will do something
to a man and a woman, but

751
00:54:05.480 --> 00:54:08.960
all take the murder out of it. I feel like the sons felt like

752
00:54:08.960 --> 00:54:13.360
Marilyn was a good guy. But
what in the world, how could this

753
00:54:13.400 --> 00:54:16.480
have happened? And they still pointed
the finger at Princess Hell. Even Mike's

754
00:54:16.519 --> 00:54:22.239
ex wife she said quote, I
was very shocked when all of it came

755
00:54:22.280 --> 00:54:28.639
out. Marilynd and Mike they were
just best friends. They always got along

756
00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:32.079
together. So even the ex wife
was shocked by Marylyn having done this.

757
00:54:34.079 --> 00:54:37.039
So while the couple may have both
been arrested, arrested and convicted, they're

758
00:54:37.079 --> 00:54:42.320
not the same thing, right.
So while the case surely seemed to have

759
00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:45.719
a lot of power going behind it, it wasn't exactly sign seal delivered right.

760
00:54:45.800 --> 00:54:50.360
There was more to be done.
The two were no longer seeing each

761
00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.599
other at this point, and so
investigators felt like, hmm, this might

762
00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.519
be a little bit of a benefit
to us, because all we need to

763
00:54:57.519 --> 00:55:02.239
do now is sit back and wait. Investigators felt like eventually there would be

764
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:06.719
a fallout between the two of them. Knowing what they believe had happened here,

765
00:55:07.800 --> 00:55:10.400
all they had to do was wait, and wouldn't you know? On

766
00:55:10.519 --> 00:55:15.639
May fourteenth, nineteen ninety eight,
there was a new chain of events that

767
00:55:15.679 --> 00:55:22.519
would add interest to this case because
Princess would call nine one one in hysterics

768
00:55:22.880 --> 00:55:27.480
and say that her daddy was holding
someone at gunpoint and she was afraid he

769
00:55:27.559 --> 00:55:31.800
was about to kill that person.
So police show up, lights and sirens,

770
00:55:31.840 --> 00:55:37.840
and wouldn't you know that when officers
arrived, they found none other than

771
00:55:37.000 --> 00:55:44.119
Marilyn Robinson on the bullet end of
Princess's daddy's gun, and he was being

772
00:55:44.119 --> 00:55:51.519
accused of trespassing on their property.
Now, I'm shocked that he survived this.

773
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:54.360
I'm shocked that the dad didn't shoot
him. I really am. Like

774
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:58.119
I was like, I can't believe
he survived or not. You know that

775
00:55:58.159 --> 00:56:00.760
he lived. I cannot believe they
didn't shot Hi. So he was immediately

776
00:56:00.840 --> 00:56:05.199
arrested by police, and they held
him because they wanted to question him further

777
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:07.639
at this point. So when they
asked him, what were you doing there?

778
00:56:07.719 --> 00:56:13.159
He said, I wasn't breaking in
and I wasn't trespassing. Princess called

779
00:56:13.199 --> 00:56:16.239
me over there, she invited me
over. I drove over there because she

780
00:56:16.360 --> 00:56:22.280
asked me to. The thing is, when I showed up, that's when

781
00:56:22.360 --> 00:56:24.039
Joe came out and put a gun
in my face. And then she called

782
00:56:24.119 --> 00:56:30.039
nine to one one, and both
police and Marylyn at that exact moment kind

783
00:56:30.039 --> 00:56:35.960
of had an aha moment. They
both realized Princess was setting him up.

784
00:56:36.960 --> 00:56:42.159
She was moving her chest pieces,
she was playing the game. She was

785
00:56:42.360 --> 00:56:47.000
very calculated in what was going on. It's stunning that Joe didn't shoot him

786
00:56:49.400 --> 00:56:53.039
because the only person that could dispute
what Princess was now claiming to be the

787
00:56:53.079 --> 00:56:59.280
truth was the very guy that her
dad had a gunpoint, but he didn't

788
00:56:59.280 --> 00:57:02.039
shoot him. And on a side
note, I do want to say this,

789
00:57:02.119 --> 00:57:06.679
I don't think Princess's daddy had any
knowledge of the truth. He was

790
00:57:06.719 --> 00:57:09.679
simply being used by Princess. Like
everyone else in Princess's life, he was

791
00:57:09.719 --> 00:57:14.119
a means to an end. Just
turns out daddy never pulled the trigger.

792
00:57:15.639 --> 00:57:19.800
So once the reality set in that
Princess was using Marylyn as a scapegoat,

793
00:57:20.320 --> 00:57:27.920
Marylyn decided it was time to come
clean and Marilyn gave the statement that he

794
00:57:27.960 --> 00:57:34.199
didn't kill Mike because Mike asked him
to, but rather he killed Mike because

795
00:57:34.239 --> 00:57:40.559
Princess planned his murder. She basically
asked Marilyn to kill Mike because she wasn't

796
00:57:40.559 --> 00:57:47.360
happy about Mike's upcoming dialysis, because
she had been wanting out of the marriage,

797
00:57:47.679 --> 00:57:52.639
and if he got the treatment,
he would live longer and it would

798
00:57:52.639 --> 00:58:00.599
cost her money. Of all of
the backstabbing, evil shit that I have

799
00:58:00.679 --> 00:58:07.639
ever heard, this one right here
hurts my soul. A woman would vow

800
00:58:07.719 --> 00:58:12.199
to marry a man in honor and
cherish him through good times and bad,

801
00:58:12.400 --> 00:58:15.800
through sickness and health, until death
do they part. And not only did

802
00:58:15.840 --> 00:58:19.199
she not take care of him during
his bad times, not only did she

803
00:58:19.320 --> 00:58:23.480
not aid him during sickness and in
health, but she took his best friend,

804
00:58:24.800 --> 00:58:30.480
seduced him, got into a sexual
relationship with him, and then used

805
00:58:30.519 --> 00:58:36.920
that against the very man that she
married. And all of this none the

806
00:58:36.960 --> 00:58:43.360
wiser to him. He was literally
sleeping with the enemy, and if he

807
00:58:43.440 --> 00:58:46.679
had improved, she would have to
take care of him, and she didn't

808
00:58:46.719 --> 00:58:52.039
want to do it. Princess told
Marilyn if he agreed to kill Mike,

809
00:58:52.400 --> 00:58:55.920
that they would be together forever,
they would live happily ever after. And

810
00:58:57.079 --> 00:59:06.119
Mike was so blinded and so in
love and captivated by Princess that he actually

811
00:59:06.320 --> 00:59:14.719
considered killing his best friend, but
Princess would continue to have to encourage him

812
00:59:14.760 --> 00:59:17.360
to do it until he finally got
the nerve to do so. And don't

813
00:59:17.360 --> 00:59:21.639
get it twisted. I'm not saying
Marilyn is a victim, but I hope

814
00:59:21.679 --> 00:59:24.000
that you can see that there is
gray area here in so far as this

815
00:59:24.079 --> 00:59:34.679
man was manipulated and used, he
also is a murderer. But Marilyn finally

816
00:59:34.760 --> 00:59:37.960
caved, and he said that on
the morning of March first, nineteen ninety

817
00:59:38.000 --> 00:59:43.079
seven, Princess called him from that
payphone to let him know that she was

818
00:59:43.119 --> 00:59:46.920
out of the house and to confirm
the plan should go forward. She was

819
00:59:47.039 --> 00:59:51.280
adamant to him that I do not
want to come home and walk in that

820
00:59:51.400 --> 00:59:55.639
house until he is dead, and
Marilyn confirmed to her that Mike would be

821
00:59:55.679 --> 01:00:00.159
taken care of later that afternoon.
So how did it all go down?

822
01:00:01.159 --> 01:00:06.519
Marilyn asked his teenage son Rodney,
to give him a ride to Mike's house,

823
01:00:07.800 --> 01:00:10.320
and this request wasn't out of the
ordinary because they were best friend y'all,

824
01:00:10.360 --> 01:00:15.360
and it was common for them to
visit, so Rodney drove him up.

825
01:00:15.760 --> 01:00:19.840
Marilyn walked in through the sliding glass
door on the home, and Mike

826
01:00:19.920 --> 01:00:23.960
was sitting there watching television. And
that's when Marilyn raised the rifle. He

827
01:00:23.960 --> 01:00:30.280
pulled the trigger, and he shot
his best friend, a man who trusted

828
01:00:30.360 --> 01:00:36.280
him and loved him, through the
shoulder and into the chest, where he

829
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:43.800
flew backwards and slammed to the ground
his hands above his head from the massive

830
01:00:43.880 --> 01:00:49.440
impact of the shot, where he
died on the spot with no chance of

831
01:00:49.480 --> 01:00:54.960
survival. Marilyn then left the scene
and dumped the gun in a nearby river.

832
01:00:57.400 --> 01:00:59.840
Marilyn said, listen, I'm gonna
lead you all to the gun.

833
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:01.000
I want to show you where I
dumped it. I'll do anything. I'll

834
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:05.480
give you whatever you want, and
after a brief search of the river,

835
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:08.960
the murder weapon was recovered just as
Marilyn said it would be. I want

836
01:01:08.960 --> 01:01:15.039
to tell you real quick, if
you're not if you're not familiar with you

837
01:01:15.079 --> 01:01:20.320
know, with the weapons and caliber
of bullets and all of that, I

838
01:01:20.360 --> 01:01:23.519
want you to know that the bullet
that Mike was hit with. Is the

839
01:01:23.559 --> 01:01:31.679
same type of bullet they used to
shoot bear with Like it's a snub.

840
01:01:31.760 --> 01:01:37.079
No, it's a flat nosed bullet, not a pointed one that will you

841
01:01:37.079 --> 01:01:40.599
know, separate the skin and go
into the body. This one causes massive

842
01:01:40.679 --> 01:01:45.519
damage and it's like a boom.
I mean, you're you're knocking out a

843
01:01:45.559 --> 01:01:49.760
bear with it. That's why that
man was laying flat on his back,

844
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:54.280
That's why his arms were above his
head. It literally blew him away.

845
01:01:55.039 --> 01:02:00.440
And with all of the evidence together, both Marylyn and Prince would face trial

846
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:06.599
for the murder of Mike lcaz.
Now. Prior to the trial, Marilyn

847
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:10.920
Robinson pled guilty to manslaughter and he
was sentenced to the maximum imprisonment for manslaughter,

848
01:02:10.960 --> 01:02:15.079
which was forty years. And he
also agreed to testify against Princess and

849
01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:22.679
trial as the star witness. And
something to note here, And I know

850
01:02:22.760 --> 01:02:27.320
this is going to be weird because
he murdered Mike, Okay, but we

851
01:02:27.440 --> 01:02:31.960
do have to I think we don't
have to, but I want to address

852
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:42.440
this because it was noted by multiple
people that Marilyn Robinson was extremely emotional on

853
01:02:42.480 --> 01:02:49.760
the stand. He openly sobbed on
the stand, and it was just strikingly

854
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:55.639
remorseful how he testified on the stand, and it didn't seem to be crying

855
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:00.760
for himself. It seemed to be
crying for what have I done? What

856
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:05.599
did I do to Mike? It
seemed so incredibly genuine. And I know

857
01:03:05.639 --> 01:03:08.920
he killed him, it's his fault, but if he is remorseful, I

858
01:03:09.000 --> 01:03:14.880
hope so he should be. And
I think that maybe that lends itself to

859
01:03:14.920 --> 01:03:17.840
what Mike's sons claimed earlier on when
they were like, I just can't believe

860
01:03:17.840 --> 01:03:21.920
Marilyn would do that. I don't
think Marilyn could believe Maryland did that,

861
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:28.000
and all over a woman, a
piece of shit woman at that. Now,

862
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.920
Princess would also take the stand,
but her strategy would be to stick

863
01:03:31.960 --> 01:03:35.639
by the story that Mike wanted to
end his own life. And when it

864
01:03:35.679 --> 01:03:39.079
was all said and done, the
jury didn't buy Princess's story. She was

865
01:03:39.159 --> 01:03:44.920
convicted of the murder of her husband, and she was sentenced to automatic natural

866
01:03:44.960 --> 01:03:51.079
life. Bye bitch, And I
wish the story ended there, but it

867
01:03:51.119 --> 01:03:59.159
doesn't. On September of twenty eleven, before a US Court of Appeals,

868
01:03:59.480 --> 01:04:05.079
Princess trial attorneys or attorneys would make
the argument that they were not made aware

869
01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:12.119
of the deal prosecutors made with Maryland
prior to his guilty plea. That deal

870
01:04:12.840 --> 01:04:17.920
was that if he testified against Princess. The deal says that Rodney, his

871
01:04:18.039 --> 01:04:21.480
son, who drove him to the
murder scene, would never be brought up

872
01:04:21.920 --> 01:04:27.480
and Rodney would never have to testify
in the trial. To me, that

873
01:04:27.599 --> 01:04:32.039
sounds like a good deal because Rodney
didn't really Rodney didn't have any concept of

874
01:04:32.360 --> 01:04:34.920
the murder, of what was going
on. He just was the ride.

875
01:04:35.199 --> 01:04:38.960
I know we could have prosecuted him
for it, but I think intent matters

876
01:04:38.960 --> 01:04:42.400
here, and I don't think Rodney
had any intent. And while this in

877
01:04:42.400 --> 01:04:45.960
and of itself seems rather insignificant in
the big scheme of things, the courts

878
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:51.239
would rule get this. The courts
would rule that the defense should have had

879
01:04:51.280 --> 01:05:00.400
that information before they went to trial, and as such, Princess's conviction was

880
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:06.320
overturned. She was in jail until
twenty eleven, when she was released on

881
01:05:06.440 --> 01:05:13.880
appeal, which would result in another
trial that didn't take place until twenty seventeen.

882
01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:19.960
This go round, Princess would we
would take a different strategy, though,

883
01:05:20.000 --> 01:05:25.199
and she decided instead of going to
a trial, she would cop out

884
01:05:25.239 --> 01:05:30.840
and plead to a plea deal.
Now, the family desperately wanted Princess to

885
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:35.760
have to take direct responsibility for what
happened to their father. So basically Princess

886
01:05:35.800 --> 01:05:39.760
was going to have to stand up
in front of the judge and everybody in

887
01:05:39.800 --> 01:05:45.480
court and say the words I did
it. The deal she received was that

888
01:05:45.519 --> 01:05:50.480
she would plead guilty to manslaughter and
be given credit for the thirteen and a

889
01:05:50.519 --> 01:05:56.119
half years of time served, as
well as a credit for her time that

890
01:05:56.199 --> 01:06:00.559
she served in the parish jail.
And this meant that she would have only

891
01:06:00.719 --> 01:06:10.519
one year left to serve under the
new agreement. It's sick. It's unconscionable

892
01:06:11.639 --> 01:06:17.159
that, because of a stupid reason, this woman would get a second opportunity.

893
01:06:19.000 --> 01:06:24.159
And when it was all done,
while the family got to hear of

894
01:06:24.199 --> 01:06:28.880
her admission of responsibility from Mike's death, the reality was Princess was out of

895
01:06:28.960 --> 01:06:32.719
jail in no time. Even Mike's
ex wife was hurt by the final outcome.

896
01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:38.360
Her exact statement was, Princess should
be in jail. If anybody should

897
01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:43.800
walk, it should be Marilyn.
Princess plotted this out to a tee and

898
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:47.800
as I speak to you right now
recording this episode, Princess is out living

899
01:06:47.840 --> 01:06:56.960
her best life again, while Mike
is buried six feet underground. Marilyn Robinson

900
01:06:57.360 --> 01:07:00.559
is serving his forty year sentence at
a voil's correction center, and he's going

901
01:07:00.639 --> 01:07:05.599
to be eligible for parole when he
turns seventy two years old. And Princess

902
01:07:06.679 --> 01:07:14.719
is out walking the streets, the
mastermind behind all of it. I know

903
01:07:14.840 --> 01:07:17.159
her parents thought that they were making
a statement by naming their daughter Princess,

904
01:07:18.880 --> 01:07:21.360
and I mean, well, she
did get a lot of attention, but

905
01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:25.440
for all the wrong reasons. You
may have a fancy name, Princess,

906
01:07:25.480 --> 01:07:27.920
but to me, you're about as
important as a white crayon.