Oct. 28, 2025

Five Days

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Season 8

What do you get when you cross an award winning podcast host with an award winning podcast producer....? MAGIC!
After nearly a year of thought, preparation and a massive amount of work, we are just "Five Days" away from the release of the most anticipated and highly produced series in the three year history of Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings and just TWO days away if you are a Patreon Gang Member Tier Subscriber or above.

In today's episode, Executive Producer Jimathy joins KJ as they discuss everything from what led to the idea of this Netflix style experience covering the life and crimes of DTL, to what you can expect with this series moving forward.
It's a look back at why we did it, where it's headed and how you can help push this series forward. We are excited and we hope you are too as it is just FIVE DAYS to DTL!

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts.

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Some so evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,

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kJ You're back with another episode of Unspeakable, and I

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have a special guest in the house with me today.

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SA Hello, special guests.

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Hey everyone, it's Jimothy.

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It is It is the Jim Chapman Jimothy as I

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call him, and he's sitting in on this one with

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me today because we've got something a little different, because

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we're going to be letting y' all know about this

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upcoming Derek Todd Lee series that we have been painstakingly

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working on for a hot minute.

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Yeah, I would say the better part of a year.

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We have discussed this series, talked about what we wanted

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to do with it. It required a lot of a lot

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of work on everybody's part, and it is a little

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bit different than what you're used to from Unspeakable. This

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is a very highly produced, just an awesome series. I

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couldn't be prouder of how it turned out. From the storytelling,

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which is obviously top notch when we're dealing with kJ,

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to the back end work that was involved in this

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that we're going to get into a little bit today.

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I'm just flat out excited.

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I am too, And so let's start here.

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If you're not from Louisiana, I want to clue you

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in because you may not be familiar with him. We assume,

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because we're from here, that everybody knows what we're talking about,

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because I would be hard pressed to believe anyone under

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the age of twenty five, I guess maybe, but anyone

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over the age of I guess of twenty five. If

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you say the words Dereck Todd Lee, they immediately know

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exactly what you're talking about. And it brings you back

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to a moment in time where all of us were

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basically seriously frozen with fear because women were being hunted.

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They were absolutely being hunted in our area. They were

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dropping left and right, And I say that with the

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utmost respect. I don't mean that in any way other

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than our wives and our sisters and our daughters were

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going missing and nobody knew who was next. And it

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was all in a very all in South Louisiana, you know,

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which We've got our waterways and our bios and it's

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an easy place for someone to go missing.

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Yeah, it really is. And we want to get into

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today a little bit about how this series is going

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to be different. And look, Kelly did a live on

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DTL and of course I don't know how many hundreds

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of people attended that. It was a two day event.

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Three we had to do it third night, open it

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up again.

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Maybe five hundred or so people total. Uh, But even

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if you were at that live, this is going to

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be a lot of what you've never heard.

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Oh if you came to the live right now, stop

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if you're going, oh, man, already know this, No you

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don't know. You don't Because that live show I had

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two and a half hours to try to impart on

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you a lot of people's lives and what happened to them.

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But there was no way I could tell you every

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single thing into and a half hours no way. This

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series is a long one, a very long one, but

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every story is different. It's not something being drug out.

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I mean I literally need hours to tell you everything

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that was going on.

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Yeah. As a matter of fact, the entire series is

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about thirteen hours in length. These are broken up into

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thirty to forty minutes segments and it is absolute fire.

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Now there's going to be some things that are going

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to be a little bit different and actually some big

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advantages to Patreon members. Right.

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First thing I'll tell you is this, we wanted this

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to not just be episodes.

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We wanted this to be a listening experience.

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We wanted you to feel what these women were feeling

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and men, because there are men involved in these stories.

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We want you to smell it and taste it and

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hear it much like it actually went down.

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Yeah. So one of the things that I did just

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yesterday actually is I went through and I listened to

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the first four episodes, and look, I recommend this to everybody.

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Wear some headphones if possible. I know a lot of

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people listen to it in the car. If you do that,

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turn it up, because, as Kelly just said, this is

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actually a listening experience. I put on my AirPods, and

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I actually laid down in my bed and I closed

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my eyes and I literally thought or felt that I

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was right there in the moment as it was happening,

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and it was amazing.

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The detail in this really mattered to me, as it

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should matter to you. The small things matter just as

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much as the big things. And I had if you

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were at my house with me, my family would they

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wanted to just get me for this. But it was

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a hot mess because I had notebooks and binders. I

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was working out of two computers and notebooks galore, because

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I was comparing and trasting all sorts of different accounts.

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Jim knows we had people that were.

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Actually a part of this, the real real victims, real investigators,

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the actual people involved. Many hours spent speaking with them

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and trying to make this as cohesive and as real

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as I possibly could, because this, like I said, this

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was just we lived it. Jim, how old were you

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when this was going on?

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I was around twenty eight.

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I was eighteen, freshly eighteen years old on LSU's campus,

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and a lot of the hunting, and there's no other

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word to use, that's not for theatrics hunting of these

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women you know I was right there in the mix, Yeah,

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right there. And I know you were newly married, right

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you just got married?

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Well I had been. I had been married four years

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by that point. Did y'all have to trufford by the No,

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it was just prior to us having our first child.

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So we were concerned. I was concerned. My wife actually

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fit that profile pretty.

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Pretty yours truly does.

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Don't want to give away I don't want to give

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away too much, but the dark hair and well always

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it was nerve ruck.

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Yeah, it was.

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And so to really give you perspective on this, it

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didn't affect one perish and we're perishes here, not counties.

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It didn't affect one parish. It didn't just affect two.

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It affected multiple perishes. Imagine one human being, one human

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being on this planet, instilling fear amongst that many people.

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Yeah, and it's like a needle in a haystack.

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It really is. I agree, one hundred percent. So let's

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get into the production of this a little bit and

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what you can expect. Number one we have I would

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call it an award winning score on this one, a

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musical score that is set in the background of this series. Uh.

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And when I tell you that you put those headphones

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on and you lay back and you feel like you're

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there everything from the breathing, you know, there's a I'll

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give you one snippet of something that you can look

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forward to. Uh, there's an aspect of a story that

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really stuck out to me where Kelly is describing a

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woman jogging around what's none as Lsu Lakes and you

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can actually hear the feet hitting the ground and you

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can hear the from the you know, breathing as you're

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as you're running. That's how much you will feel like

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you were right there in the moment. And that is

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something that you can really look forward to. And it

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goes a lot to the storytelling speaks a lot to

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that and the backend work that was involved.

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So if you're from here, and if you're not, I

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want to tell you this, majority of the time, if

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you look up this case or the or what was

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going on here, the media focused, the typical general media

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focused on a relatively short period of time in comparison

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to Evy, everything that this guy was doing. And I'm

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gonna tell you everything from minor petty thefts up through

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you know, the most brutal of endings of people's lives

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that you could possibly imagine, because everything to me mattered.

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I'm gonna start with his birth, just so y'all know.

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I'm starting with his birth and I'm going all the

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way through everything. So if like, like we said, you know,

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we had hundreds of people that came out to the

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live show, and I had so much fun doing the show,

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and people really enjoyed it. And so when I promoted

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the live show, so many people said, please live stream it,

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please live stream it.

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We didn't have the capabilities at that time, based on

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just where we were with the show and and the

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way that it was set up in the place that

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we had the show. That just wasn't an option. It

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wasn't because we didn't want to. Just wasn't an option

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for us at that time. Well, now that's when we

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put our heads together, and I'll give credit hats off

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to Jim. He was like, you know, there was so

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much to this you never even really could touch. What

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if we put it into a series. And at first

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I had some pushback. I was like, now I've told

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the story, and then he was like, no, man, everybody

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needs to hear it in its totality, right, you know,

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it's so much more than you can I don't know,

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keep saying that, but you won't believe it.

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is moundane.

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Yeah, failures of the court system, overlookings of the judicial

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system that hindsight's twenty twenty. But when I lay this

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out for you, you're gonna go, this is unbelievable. Yeah,

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this is unbelievable. This guy was even you know, walking around,

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that's right.

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So one of the things that you can look forward

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to if you're a Patreon member. And I do want

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to mention this even before we get into that, this

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does not take away from Unspeakable's regular series episode you

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can call that Unspeakable Original that will still drop every Wednesday.

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So this is an extra drop. This is just another

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drop on another day. This particular series DTL will drop

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every Monday. You'll have Unspeakable Original every Wednesday that will

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be dropping as usual. And then on Fridays, of course,

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we always drop a preview of Crime Aire weekly, So

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you're gonna have actually three days now of kJ talking

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on all kinds of different topics. And so I wanted

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to make sure that everyone knew that you're still gonna

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get your unspeakable.

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With Oh yeah, this is this is in addition to

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and look, you're my friends, okay, and that's why I want,

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I want. We wanted to talk. And I hope you're

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listening to me because I'm hearing you. I'm listening. I'm

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reading your messages saying please release more episodes a week.

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Please. This is just a huge push.

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And effort to give you more and give you exactly

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what you wanted.

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Yeah, So we're also going to be dropping this series

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on the Patreon. Now, it's important to mention this is

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an extra series. Uh So, if you're a Patreon member

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at the I think it's the fifteen dollars level, there's

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fifteen the middle or the highest level. Yeah, if you're

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if you that are higher, you're going to get this

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series early in commercial free. Now, not only are you

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going to get it early in commercial free, you're also

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going to get it three days early. So the Patreon

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versions of DTL will drop every Friday early and commercial

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free on Monday, the regular episode with the commercials will drop,

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you know, everywhere you listen Apple Podcasts, Spotify, whatever, exactly.

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And we're we're doing this, you know, because we want

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you to be able to listen ahead of time, and

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then you'll get them early and then you're going to

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be ahead of the game and you can.

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Get more as you want.

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I work on that drop here and there. So as

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far as content goes, your mama's putting in the hours, guys.

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Typically it's twenty four hours early for unspeakable original drops.

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you're going to be ready for number two, ready for

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number three.

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I love to how it.

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Escalates. The series just flat out escalates the entire time.

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So we'll give you that background information and then you're

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just going to be right there with me.

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Something too.

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That was important to me as far as storytelling goes,

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is I wanted to go to these scenes of a

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lot of these crimes. I wanted to be there and

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it with my own eyes. And so I'm going to

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have more insight and perspective to give you the listener

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that I that if you, if you know these stories,

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I don't think that it was imparted upon all of

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us exactly how it went down, and not out of

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out of malice or anything like that. It's just there was,

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you know, a story to be told. And if a

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woman was murdered, oh, this woman was murdered, well, proximity

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and where this took place, what it looked like all

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of this. Jim even rode with me to some of

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the locations. We rode together and we circled around. Matter

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of fact, I think they thought we might have been

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case in the place at one point, because neighbors came out.

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and they know what went down in that house you

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in which an attack took place by Derek Toddley. And

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there's a big difference between telling a story and then

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telling a story after you've been there and you've seen it,

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and you smelled it, and you rolled on those rocks

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and you.

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Grave looked, you looked, your eyes lay where this killer stood,

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and you can see the path that he took with

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total clarity. So my goals are to give you all

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of it in its minute moments and also in its

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grandiose moments. And I'm also going to be putting a

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whole lot of photographs, a bunch of photographs, not only

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in current times, but in previous times, crime scene.

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I'm gonna really try to if you want to know,

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If you want to know and it matters, and you

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like all of that, you're gonna really be blessed with

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the documentation that I was able to get.

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Was this is not documentation you can get on the internet.

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No, he one in particular, one investigator brought his entire

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file to me and let me look through the file.

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I just I hope you feel this as much as

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I have, because I took these killings personal even though

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I was not, you know, related to these victims.

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I took it personal.

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Well, you always do. I mean Kelly, Kelly dives into

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these stories to such an extent that she feels like

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she knows these people.

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I want to know them, yeah.

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Once, yeah, And so from that perspective, that's how she

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tells it. And I'm going to tell you I'll tell

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everyone this, and this is one of the primary reasons

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we're doing this episode. This is far none. And y'all

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know that I have produced a lot of podcasts. I've

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been very blessed to produce some pretty successful podcast in

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my day. I will tell you this is barn none

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the best series I have ever been involved in. Everything

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from the storytelling to the production is something you would

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expect out of a billion dollar company. I shit you

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not on that, Folks. When you listen to this, you

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will think you're listening to a Netflix documentary but better.

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And Netflix puts together some pretty damn good documentaries. So

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get ready for this. Get excited for this. I feel

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like this is a new season of Yellowstone No. Most

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like people just looking forward to it. They can't wait

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to hear it. I'm telling you you your mind is

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going to be blown. I was in the room during

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this storytelling. I was behind the scenes, you know, editing

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this stuff after the fact, and I still couldn't believe

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what I was hearing when I listened to it.

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If I got one request, I got five hundred. Please

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do a series on this. Please do a series on this.

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And it's kind of funny.

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And I'm gonna go like kind of personal here, and

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I hope you don't get upset with me, but I

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kind of thought people might be burned out on him.

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That's that's a truth. That's the truth. I really did because.

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Because you had told that you had dove into that story, yes,

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for that live to such a degree that it's not

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that you get burned out, but you were like, I

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already know the story, but I forgot Kelly, that you

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know the story right.

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And I totally I'm telling you, I lost sight of that.

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I'm not perfect. I lost sight of that. And yeah,

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and it's human. Yeah, And Jim, you know, looked me

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in the face and was like, girl, just because you know,

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five hundred people heard you tell a two and a

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half hour story does not mean that all of your

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listeners got to hear it, and it was like a

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light bulb went off and I was like, oh my god,

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you're right.

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That's right. And then, and not only that, even the

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five hundred that hurt it, you had to condense an entire,

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an entire, horrific ten year time period in the state

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of Louisiana. You had to condense that into two and

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a half hours. Now we're looking at over thirteen hours

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of content total for this series, and there's no condensing.

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You're going to get all the facts. There were things

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about victims that you were like, and look, I had

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to push because you know, Kelly likes to bring in

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details I do. She likes to bring in details. She

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gets pissed when she can't bring the details. And I

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had to continuously remind Kelly that, hey, we've got limited

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time here. You can't go off on an hour tangent

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on one particular victim because we've got to tell all

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their stories and we've only got two hours to do it, essentially.

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And there's a fun line between in my mind, artistically,

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if I want to say at that lant that sounds

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kind of cheesy, but there's a fine line between making

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sure I honor the victim in complete coverage and then

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you know, getting through the story. And so I've done

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my best to give you as much as I can.

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I hope that you can see these houses. I hope

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that you can feel the air. I hope you feel

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the rain, you know, because if you can't, that's part

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of the human experience. And why this affected so many

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people is because it could be me. Oh my god,

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I stood on that street. Oh wow, I walked that

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very path.

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You know.

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She looks like me.

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Yeah she Oh wow, she had she had a business

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three miles from my home.

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Jim, did you see what happened in Texas today?

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Wait before you tell me that, let me tell you

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what happened in New York.

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It cannot be as crazy as the case I told

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you about yesterday in Louisiana.

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You know what, we should do a podcast.

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About it, and with that we did.

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Crime War Weekly covers the crime news headlines that have

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dominated the week.

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We cover trending crimes from all over the country, and

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even sprinkle in a few globally.

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Crime War Weekly is available now wherever you listen to

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your podcasts.

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Simply by searching Crime War Weekly or clicking the link

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in the description of this podcast.

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You know, and then come to find out, guys have

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if you've ever heard of six degrees of separation, we've

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all hopefully heard that that saying before, but.

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Or Kevin Bacon or can I.

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Believe it or not?

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Before? Well, it used to there used to be a

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say you'd say, name a movie with Kevin Bacon and

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you can talk any actor into that movie within six movies. Yeah,

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well it's true.

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Hey, to show you how strange it is. Well, well,

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my point was this that once I started telling, you know,

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some local friends of mine.

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What I was doing, they knew these people or they won.

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My dad's best friend, his wife was very good friends

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with one of these victims.

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I never knew that because I was young. Why would

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I even think to ask that?

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But then you start, you start looking and listening, and

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you realize just how completely and totally connected we all are.

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Hell, Jim, we we were meant to be friends real quick.

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I know we're talking about this.

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Series, but our our paths we learned crossed back from childhood.

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Yeah, and we never knew it.

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We shared the same friends, didn't do it. We went

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to the same high school.

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Yeah, just years ago. He graduated before I ever got there.

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Yeah, I'm much older.

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You've old you, old man. But we went to the

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same high school. He knew my grandpa.

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Jim knew my grandpa like you know, and so just

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that type of connection between he and I and look

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at us today.

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You know.

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He sold pain to companies that I went to and

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dealt with and and worked for.

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Not in a big scale, but like I did some

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voice acting. I said one line anyway, and he sold

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paint to Are you ready?

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You may recognize this line from from a Hallmark movie?

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Ready here, let me help you with that.

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But like he got the part.

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Yeah, but you know, he sold paint to that same company.

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Like we just we talk about it all the time,

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like God was trying to make us friends. Yeah, we

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just had to get our and we come to find

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out we live literally across the street from each other.

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I never knew it.

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So there's that you know, and and that human aspect.

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I'm just trying to tell you I want these women

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to matter. They still matter, And there's pieces and parts

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of my own personal life that you're going to get

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to hear throughout this series that directly uh connected to

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these women.

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That's right. And another exciting thing about this series is

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the interviews that we were able to do with people

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boots on the ground. The investigator, David McDavid.

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Is out one of the.

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Main characters, if you will, in this story, investigator from Zachary, Louisiana.

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He was the chief of police at one point, then

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he became the mayor of Zachary.

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He started in the reserve program as a kid and

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is now mayor of Zachary. He's gone through everything and

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mad respect for that man, mad.

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Respect and he was very integral in the Derek Todd

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Lee story. We interviewed him, we recorded that interview. You're

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going to get that, Kathy font No tell me.

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Yeah.

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So, Kathy Fontou is an absolute hero of mine and

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when you think end of mine, when you think about

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I just I'm a strong believer in being a woman's woman. Okay,

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we straighten each other's crown and we don't drag each

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other down.

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And when people make mistakes.

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I'm one of those friends that would rather tell you

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in person, in private. I don't want to drag you

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down in front of other people, just like I don't

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want that done for me. Well. Kathy font No was

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a warden at Angola and she isn't anymore, but she

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was at the time, and she actually hired me, and

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I look up to her, I admire her, and she

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actually was very a big part of who I am today.

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She would probably roll rize at that, but.

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You never know how a one or two hour interaction

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with a young kid on a college campus can totally

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change the trajectory of their life.

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Yeah, and she was that person for me.

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And she was a warden at Angola to nail, Tough

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as nails, cute as a button.

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Yeah, A funny, funny story on that. When you know,

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I never I knew the legend of Kathy font No

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had a lot of respect for her before I ever

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met her. But you know, you develop a picture of

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someone in your head, and I developed this picture and

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just from hearing her reputation, I'm thinking this, this woman

485
00:26:07.440 --> 00:26:13.799
six foot tall, probably muscle bounds, yeah, maybe kind of butch,

486
00:26:14.519 --> 00:26:17.759
you know. And she walked in here, and this is

487
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:21.359
an attractive woman and I'm like, wow, she's a little

488
00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:27.400
shitty and a little bit and uh, I almost stuttered

489
00:26:27.559 --> 00:26:29.920
when you walk in the room because I'm like, wow,

490
00:26:30.559 --> 00:26:33.519
I didn't expect a good looking woman to walk in here,

491
00:26:33.559 --> 00:26:35.680
And I don't mean that any kind of negative way,

492
00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:40.599
but it's that was her persona is just such a

493
00:26:41.319 --> 00:26:46.480
legendary persona, you know, being a warden at Louisiana's State

494
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:51.759
Penitentiary in Gola, you would go, yeah, yeah, you developed

495
00:26:51.759 --> 00:26:54.920
this picture. But we interviewed her and she shared some

496
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:59.119
insight into Derrek Toddley after his incarceration that you can't

497
00:26:59.160 --> 00:27:00.359
get anywhere.

498
00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.519
First firsthand experience and real quick. You know, you said,

499
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:07.079
you people build pictures of what people look like all

500
00:27:07.119 --> 00:27:07.519
the time.

501
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:07.960
We don't.

502
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.559
You know, I post pictures because I have to, you know,

503
00:27:10.599 --> 00:27:12.559
but you know, I'm not someone who wants my face

504
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:14.960
on everything. But I posted a picture of Jim and

505
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:18.400
I at a concert recently, and the comments were so

506
00:27:18.519 --> 00:27:21.359
funny because people go, wait a minute, Jim looks. I

507
00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:24.240
thought Jim was some skinny man with long blonde hair

508
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:24.960
and a mustach.

509
00:27:25.359 --> 00:27:29.200
And Jim's bald, and you know, like solid ball.

510
00:27:29.279 --> 00:27:31.640
Like I shaved my head, not bald, like I got

511
00:27:31.640 --> 00:27:34.079
a what is it a fold over or something, a

512
00:27:34.160 --> 00:27:37.960
fold over stone cold bowl bald, not.

513
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:42.920
Yeah, stone cold, Steve Austin or yeah. But get that

514
00:27:43.359 --> 00:27:47.720
when people people's one woman said Wow, it's so strange

515
00:27:47.720 --> 00:27:49.519
to see your face. I know, your voice, but to

516
00:27:49.519 --> 00:27:51.000
see what you look like. It's not what I you know,

517
00:27:51.039 --> 00:27:53.880
it's just not what I expect and so kind of interesting.

518
00:27:53.920 --> 00:27:55.519
But that's that's the case here.

519
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:59.079
And also I'm gonna tell you this, Derek Tidley doesn't

520
00:27:59.079 --> 00:28:02.160
look anything like what anybody thought he would look like.

521
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:04.640
No, and so that's a huge part of that story.

522
00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:06.400
It's just why don't we build.

523
00:28:06.200 --> 00:28:09.839
These expectations and then they're totally shattered? You know, it's

524
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:11.480
very interesting how the mind works.

525
00:28:11.640 --> 00:28:14.960
It really is. And you know, another interesting thing about

526
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:19.279
the DTL story. Uh, and we don't talk too much

527
00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:23.400
about this in the series for obvious reasons, but Derek

528
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.960
Todd Lee was one of three serial killers running around

529
00:28:27.000 --> 00:28:30.799
in South Louisiana at the same time, all at the

530
00:28:30.839 --> 00:28:34.359
same time. Imagine the pressure on investigators.

531
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:38.039
Yeah, and okay, so I know we're all watching the

532
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:40.920
ed gean Netflix thing that's out right now.

533
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:43.119
I watched the first one and I don't know.

534
00:28:43.000 --> 00:28:45.839
I couldn't get it. I finished it. I finished it, Yeah,

535
00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:47.319
some some parts of it.

536
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:50.000
Yeah, it's too weird for me.

537
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:50.400
Yeah.

538
00:28:50.960 --> 00:28:52.920
I watched it because I wanted to see what they

539
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.400
what they expanded on, and maybe they took a lot

540
00:28:57.400 --> 00:29:00.160
of liberties in that show, but a couple of points

541
00:29:00.160 --> 00:29:02.200
it just got perverse just for the sake of perversion.

542
00:29:02.240 --> 00:29:04.480
It felt like, yeah, I wouldn't be interested in seeing

543
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:05.160
mam and naked.

544
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.200
Yeah, well you missed some other stuff too, it came out.

545
00:29:08.240 --> 00:29:11.640
I was like, eh, I'm good, but but no, like

546
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.079
you know, the people that are caught up in that

547
00:29:14.160 --> 00:29:16.640
type of that's a big thing that again because of

548
00:29:16.640 --> 00:29:18.839
how horrific it was, Well, we had three of.

549
00:29:18.720 --> 00:29:22.759
Them things running around, you know in South Louisiana and

550
00:29:22.839 --> 00:29:25.279
just investigators. How do you go look at at a

551
00:29:25.480 --> 00:29:27.720
at a death and then you go look at another death,

552
00:29:27.720 --> 00:29:29.279
and then you look at another death and you're like, well,

553
00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:32.119
is this the hallmark of this uncaught killer? Or is

554
00:29:32.160 --> 00:29:34.759
it the hallmark of this uncaught killer? And then they overlap.

555
00:29:35.079 --> 00:29:37.799
They had a job, they had a huge job cut

556
00:29:37.799 --> 00:29:42.160
out for them at that time, and we may we

557
00:29:42.240 --> 00:29:45.599
may need to extend series to talk about those guys too.

558
00:29:46.039 --> 00:29:51.559
Yeah. Yeah, it was. Uh It's just something folks that

559
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:57.839
I cannot impress on you enough how awesome it is.

560
00:29:57.880 --> 00:29:59.880
And I know you would expect that from the people

561
00:29:59.880 --> 00:30:02.720
that produced it and the people that hosted it. But

562
00:30:02.799 --> 00:30:05.880
I'm telling you, when you hear this, you're going to

563
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.480
be blown away, and you're going to know the amount

564
00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:12.160
of work involved, and you're going to know who. You're

565
00:30:12.160 --> 00:30:13.920
going to know so much about.

566
00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:16.359
This guy and what I tell you in this story,

567
00:30:16.440 --> 00:30:18.599
and I mean this ten toes down chest out. I

568
00:30:18.599 --> 00:30:20.839
have a lot of college age listeners. I know that

569
00:30:20.839 --> 00:30:22.319
because they reach out to me and they ask me

570
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.319
for sources and things like that. If you're in college

571
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.160
and you're writing papers and you're you know, in criminal

572
00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:30.400
justice or something, this series will give you a ton

573
00:30:30.440 --> 00:30:35.880
of insight too, to expand upon and to learn from.

574
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:37.680
And I know that's kind of a weird thing for

575
00:30:37.720 --> 00:30:39.279
me to pull out, but it's happening right now. I've

576
00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:41.480
had a couple of people reach out recently. One of

577
00:30:41.519 --> 00:30:43.599
my former student's message, I mean, she said, oh my god,

578
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:45.400
thank you so much, because I had sent her a

579
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.880
bunch of my sources for and she did her paper

580
00:30:47.920 --> 00:30:49.839
and Derek Tidley got one hundred percent to shout out.

581
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:53.960
And then another friend of mine, jem I, got cited

582
00:30:53.960 --> 00:30:59.720
for the first time formally cited in a a writing right, yeah,

583
00:30:59.799 --> 00:31:02.000
and she sent it to me. She's like, look, you're

584
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:05.400
officially a source. I was like, damn it, yes, you know,

585
00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:06.839
the academic and beloved it.

586
00:31:07.279 --> 00:31:09.680
I loved it. Yeah, that is awesome.

587
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:22.519
In the sultry heat of Louisiana, where the Bayous whisper

588
00:31:22.640 --> 00:31:25.759
secrets and the air hangs heavy with the scent of magnolias,

589
00:31:26.359 --> 00:31:30.160
a darkness lurked beneath the surface. Derek todd Lee was

590
00:31:30.200 --> 00:31:32.880
a man whose charm masked a sinister reality.

591
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.200
He was a monster. Lee, a seemingly ordinary.

592
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:39.799
Man with a disarming smile, led a double life that

593
00:31:39.799 --> 00:31:42.400
would unravel in a series of murders in the capital

594
00:31:42.480 --> 00:31:45.680
city of Baton Rouge and the surrounding areas. As the

595
00:31:45.720 --> 00:31:49.440
first reports of disappearances and murders began to surface, South

596
00:31:49.480 --> 00:31:53.359
Louisiana was thrust into a nightmare, igniting a frantic search

597
00:31:53.400 --> 00:31:57.079
for answers. The true horror was just beginning, and the

598
00:31:57.160 --> 00:31:59.960
hunt for a serial killer eventually known by just three legs,

599
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:03.680
would reveal not only the depths of Derek Toddley's depravity,

600
00:32:04.039 --> 00:32:06.599
but also the resilience of those most affected by his

601
00:32:06.640 --> 00:32:11.079
evil acts. The families and the survivors this is DTL.

602
00:32:19.279 --> 00:32:22.400
Look, we want to tell you right now. If you're

603
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.440
listening to this on the regular feed, this episode number

604
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:32.400
one is five days from today, so it drops Monday

605
00:32:32.599 --> 00:32:35.759
for you. Obviously, we drop our shows at midnight, so

606
00:32:36.440 --> 00:32:40.400
Monday at the stroke of midnight, which some people say,

607
00:32:40.440 --> 00:32:43.119
wait in that Sunday night. No, technically it's Monday, Moore.

608
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:44.519
I'm one of those. I think it's Sunday.

609
00:32:44.680 --> 00:32:48.039
Yeah, it blows people's minds, but midnight. You're going to

610
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:51.640
get that if you are a Patreon member though, as

611
00:32:51.680 --> 00:32:54.119
I told you, you're going to get this in two days.

612
00:32:54.599 --> 00:32:58.000
So if you're not currently a Patreon member, go join

613
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:02.519
the middle level or above right now and you'll get

614
00:33:02.559 --> 00:33:07.920
to hear episode number one on Friday, two days from today. Now,

615
00:33:07.920 --> 00:33:11.519
if you're listening to this obviously on Patreon, well you're

616
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:13.000
three days from today.

617
00:33:13.039 --> 00:33:14.039
You too much math?

618
00:33:14.240 --> 00:33:16.720
Just yeah, just do your thing, people, do your thing

619
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:18.319
whatever makes you happy, you know.

620
00:33:18.359 --> 00:33:21.319
I like to get down in the weeds with a time.

621
00:33:21.799 --> 00:33:23.160
So I hope y'all are excited.

622
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:26.279
I hope that you are prepared and that you're ready

623
00:33:26.319 --> 00:33:29.440
to hear it all, and that you really enjoy this.

624
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.759
And remember that these victims are real people, and that

625
00:33:32.799 --> 00:33:35.720
these stories are being told not with salaciousness, not with.

626
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.599
Theatrics, just for the sake of it.

627
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.000
I want you to know, and I hope that it

628
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.119
can help mold you as an individual when you think

629
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:47.119
about the criminal justice system, when you think about victims' rights,

630
00:33:47.119 --> 00:33:48.440
when you think about families of.

631
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.960
Victims, all of that. That is why this has.

632
00:33:51.880 --> 00:33:54.680
Been so such a good experience for me, because it's

633
00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:57.759
going to give you a lot of insight that sometimes

634
00:33:57.799 --> 00:33:59.920
gets glossed over because people don't want to hear.

635
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:05.599
Right, And one more thing, Okay, share it, Yeah, Share

636
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:10.199
this podcast on your social media, this series on your

637
00:34:10.239 --> 00:34:13.400
social media. If you enjoyed it, We want to get

638
00:34:13.480 --> 00:34:16.039
as many guys on it as possible. As y'all know.

639
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.320
kJ is all about the victims, telling the stories of

640
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:22.559
the victims, but nobody ever knows the victims. If not

641
00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:25.599
enough people listen to it and hear it, the best

642
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.079
way you can get that out there is to share

643
00:34:28.199 --> 00:34:30.840
this podcast. If you're hearing this right now, you're already

644
00:34:30.880 --> 00:34:35.000
a fan. You're listening, you're loving unspeakable. We want to

645
00:34:35.039 --> 00:34:37.559
get it to the people out there that are not

646
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:41.119
familiar with this show so that we can introduce them

647
00:34:41.199 --> 00:34:43.239
to the victims in these cases.

648
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:46.119
That's right, because they are us, we are them, and

649
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:50.239
they matter. So thank y'all so much for this impromptu,

650
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:53.199
I guess conversational piece that we gave you this week.

651
00:34:53.679 --> 00:34:56.360
And you can get ready because I got a lot

652
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.159
more content come in your way. So until next time,

653
00:34:59.280 --> 00:35:00.920
I I'm Kelly Jennings.

654
00:35:01.519 --> 00:35:03.519
Do you want me to say, I'm Jim Chaplin, I'm

655
00:35:03.599 --> 00:35:04.239
Jim Chapman.

656
00:35:04.599 --> 00:35:07.280
And this has been a terrible ending.

657
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:11.679
We're going to end it like that.