Oct. 16, 2024

Heinous Acts: The Menendez Brothers

Heinous Acts: The Menendez Brothers

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In this episode of "Unspeakable," KJ discusses the notorious Menendez brothers case, which has resurfaced in popular culture due to a viral TikTok trend. Kelly analyzes the shocking 1989 murders of their affluent parents, Jose and Kitty Menendez, exploring themes of privilege, power, and the complex family dynamics that shaped the brothers' lives. She details the premeditated actions that led to the tragic night and examines the conflicting narratives around the motivations and claims of abuse.

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Timestamps
02:07 The Menendez Brothers Trend
02:54 A Dive into Their Background
08:55 The Family Dynamics
15:04 Kitty's Struggles
18:56 Consequences and Counseling
21:05 College Troubles
22:22 The Claims of Abuse
28:53 The Murders Take Place
32:45 The Aftermath of Violence
41:06 The Discovery of the Bodies
45:05 The Quest for the Will
47:15 Spending Spree After Death
52:05 Confessions and Consequences
58:19 The Trials Unfold
1:04:49 Kitty: The Ultimate Victim

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, kJ

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you're back for another episode of Unspeakable. How's it going?

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It better be going good. I know it's going good

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for a couple of people because I'm about to give

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him a shout out. I know. I'm gonna start in Reno,

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Nevada with Miss Nicole Dean. Hi, Nicole, thank you so much.

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I'm so thankful to have you part of my team,

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as well as Deborah Dunne. And then right here in

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Port Vincent, Mandy templay, how are you doing, Mandy, Glad

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I said that right, Miss Senda Senda Snyder. And then

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in Summitville, Indiana. Jessica Markham, Hey, Jessica, how are you?

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I've got now this name. I hope I don't mispronounce it,

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and I'm based in the way I pronounced it off

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of a student that I teach. But I'm gonna say

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Andy Bull or is it Bule? I think it's Bull?

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How are you doing? Andy? I'm so thankful to have

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you join. Either way, I hope I didn't slaughter your name,

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but I'm thankful to have you. And then last, but

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not least, all the way from Massachusetts is miss Renee Hibbard. Hey, Renee,

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thank you so much for joining. And as always, I

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So thanks a bunch. Now, today's episode is because again,

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we got a lot of people on TikTok that are

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following this trend of the Menendez brothers, and so I

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thought I would just jump on the bandwagon because I

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have something to say and if Kim Kardashian can give

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her dumbass opinion, then I can give mine. So that's

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what today is going to be all about So we're

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going to take it back to nineteen eighty nine for

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this one. And like I said, it's it's just so

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popular right now. It's kind of crazy that's come back up.

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But TikTok is making moves for people, and they're no different. Now.

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I don't really plan to go over every single solitary

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detail of the Menindez case because I think most people

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at this point have the gist of the story, but

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I will jump into the case a good bit in

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case you don't. But before everything that's been claimed and

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said in this case, I think that there's been some

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major concepts that have been brushed, you know, under the

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rug or overlooked, especially on this TikTok bandwagon, and so

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I intend to kind of go over a few things

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I think that have been missed. And as we know,

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when TikTok users get involved, they can cause mass social

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quote unquote awareness on situations, but that awareness isn't always

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well rounded, and I think that's pretty much the case

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here as well. Now, like I said, it's gonna be

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about the Menindez brothers, and we know that Lyle was

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the older of the two brothers at twenty one years old,

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and Eric the younger at age eighteen, and both of

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them were the products of a marriage that resulted in

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great wealth. Now, they weren't born straight into a wealthy family.

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Their parents grew this wealth and they became wealthy throughout

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their childhood, or they didn't their parents did, but you know,

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throughout their childhood and then to their early adult life.

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Their parents' names were Jose and Kitty Menendez. And the

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reality was that Jose came to the United States as

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an immigrant. He was originally from Cuba, and he moved

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to the US and moved in with some relatives in

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Pennsylvania to try to start his life here. As a

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young man, he attended college at Southern Illinois University, where

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he was a popular swimmer, and he was actually so

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good that he was there on scholarship. And he was

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a successful and driven young man, to say the least.

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He was special. He wanted to be successful in the

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land of opportunity, and from all outward appearances, he was

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doing just that. His wife to be Her name was Kitty,

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or she was called Kitty as her nickname. She came

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from a divorced family which that divorce happened whenever she

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was very young, and it really did affect her substantially

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in her lifetime. She was the youngest of four kids

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and they came up in this middle class home and

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from all accounts that I read, her father was abusive

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to her and her mom and to her siblings. Although

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he was abusive, he was still her dad, and when

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he left, she didn't do too well with that. She

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wanted to have her father in her life and as

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a result of that, it left her feeling really withdrawn

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and just really sad that the family unit had broken up.

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This would result in it being difficult for her to make,

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you know, friends, She just kind of struggled, and she

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would hold resentment towards her dad and just really wasn't

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in a good way. But with time and space and maturity,

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Kitty grew into her own with dreams of one day

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busting out and becoming an actress. She too, would eventually

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enroll in college at Southern Illinois University with a focus

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in communications. Makes sense, right, you want to be able

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to have all the specialty of communicating with others, especially

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if you want to build this huge action career. It

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was on that campus where Jose first laid eyes on

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Mary Louise Kitty Anderson in a philosophy class that they

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took together. And Kitty at that time was thought of

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as a stunningly beautiful woman both inside and out, which

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made her an absolute ten. She was a catch all.

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Accounts say that she really was someone that you know

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for Jose to get her attention, he was winning by

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having her so pretty. In fact, she won Miss Oaklawn

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beauty pageant in nineteen sixty two. Now, Miss Kitty also

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had a rebellious side, which I personally love. I think

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she had a little spice to her. She loved the

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arts and performing and she really grew to put herself

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out there, which was huge considering where she had started from.

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Jose won her over rather quickly and the two became

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absolutely inseparable. Kitty seemed, y'all to really have it going on.

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She was a pretty woman, and then she meets Jose

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and she is happy to be by her man's side

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and to be hooked on his arm. They would go

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on shortly thereafter to get married. They got married on

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July eighth of nineteen sixty three, and then they would

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eventually move to New York City. Jose then started to

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attend another college, Queen's College, and would earn degrees in

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economics and accounting. So Kitty, meanwhile, she was a vivacious

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and energetic woman, but five years would pass in this

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marriage and then she would start having babies. They were

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building their family, and so she kind of went from

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this vivacious, young, you know, vibrant woman with dreams of

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being an actress, to really shifting herself into that mother

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role and it was no longer about her. It was

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about her children. Her children being Joseph Lyle who was

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born in January of nineteen sixty eight, and then soon

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followed Eric, who was born in November of no nineteen seventy.

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So when all of the boys were born, Kitty was

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working as a school teacher at the time. But once

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those kids were born, jose really started impressing upon her

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that he wanted her to stay home and raise the children.

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He thought that her role was in the house and

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mothering the kids, and don't worry about it. I've got

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us financially. You come home and you be the mother

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to our children. Something that was a recurrent theme even

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according to her sons, by the way, was that men

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ran the house in their world, and the men were

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everything in their family culture. Kitty loved Jose and she

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was willing to do what her husband wanted of her.

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And I would bet she also wanted to be home

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with her baby boys too. But there's sacrifice that comes

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with being a mother, unless you're Casey Anthony, of course,

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but there's sacrifice. And I think she looked at motherhood

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and said, this is what I've got to do. They

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are now my primary role. So the family really planted

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their roots near Princeton, New Jersey, and she just doated

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on Lyle and Eric while they were there. They even

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attended private school. Specifically, the name of the school was

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Princeton Day School, and so I was kind of curious

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about the school, so I looked it up and to

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that point, the tuition of this school ranges from thirty

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eight thousand to forty eight thousand dollars per child. Can

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you freaking imagine. So my point was that both Jose

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and Kitty were invested in their children and they wanted

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them to experience the best, no matter the cost. Even

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Kitty's own brother, his name was Brian. Even Kitty's own brother,

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said that she spoiled her boys while Jose worked and traveled.

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She was their rock. She raised them and she loved them.

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As the kids grew, so did Jose's income, and he

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rose ranks quickly in the business world, and this would

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result in job changes and the family would have to relocate,

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and eventually that would find them in Calabasas, California. This

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was around nineteen eighty six. Because Jose was proving himself

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a very successful Los Angeles businessman, eventually so successful that

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they would become amongst high society. They moved to Beverly

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Hills and started living in the most exclusive places to

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live where people just ooze money. You know, you can

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look at them and tell they have money. But the

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reality was that Kitty did love New Jersey, where they

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moved from, and she wanted to stay there, but her husband,

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Jose was the head of the household and he was

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obviously the breadwinner, so her wants were really kind of moot.

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She had to do what her husband wanted to do,

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and I do like, based on the everything that I

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read that she kind of resented him for making her

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move away from what she loved so dearly. But rather

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than be a brat about it. She kept her chin

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held high and she remained his doting and supportive wife.

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At one point, Jose was even the head of Hurts,

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you know, the rental car company, and was famously known

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for hiring oj Simpson as the face of Hurts advertising.

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And you know, he'd be running and jumping into rental

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cars with that thousand watt smile. Although we all now

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know that, you know he was a low key beating

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the shit out of his wife behind the scenes, but

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that's another podcast. But he was the man back then,

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and he was going to be the face of Hurts.

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Jose then also at one point served as the head

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of RCA Records, and he oversaw the success of many

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recording artists, including the huge boy band of the time, Menudo,

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as well as the likes of Duran Duran. So the

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guy is in a position that is powerful and he's

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making a crapload of money. So at the time this

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case really took place, Jose was forty five and Kitty

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was a little bit older. She was forty seven, And

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while Jose was working, Kitty was a mom and a

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homemaker living at their estate. And like I said, super

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exclusive people had money and by all accounts, Jose wanted

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excellence not only for himself but as well as his boys,

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and so when they moved to that home in Calabasas, California,

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which by the way, was eight thousand square feet on

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fourteen acres, the kids were starting to be old enough

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to experience more and more. So this included sports. Lyle

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liked playing tennis, Eric liked soccer, and I get the

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feeling that Jose wanted them involved in some sort of

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structured sport to teach them what we all want our

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kids to learn in sports, responsibility as well as the

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ability to grow through practice and through loss and through

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hardship so that you can be a stronger person and

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you can learn that adversity is a good thing. It

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teaches us to grow. I know he wanted more for

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his boys than he had when he was a kid,

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and that's likely why he had high expectations of them, because,

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after all, I mean, he was giving them more than

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he ever had, which meant that they should be able

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to achieve more than he had, even though he was

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extremely successful, literally the American dream from rags to riches.

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So while he may have wanted excellence and success from

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his kids, he also had a wondering eye, and according

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to Kitty's psychologist that she was seeing he would testify

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to this too. In ninety three, Kitty was starting to

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have a really, really hard time once Jose hit this

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peak performance in the job, and that's because he was

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cheating on her. She had discovered his infidelity and she

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started coping the best way she could at the time,

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I guess, but she started drinking and she started taking

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pills to try to, I guess, cope with what was happening.

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How could Jose do this to her? After all she

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had sacrificed for their family. And I'm here to say this,

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money isn't everything. And I feel like Kitty gave up

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her dreams and she gave up her body to build

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a family with the man that she doted on. And

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the way that he decided to thank her was with

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betrayal by messing around with another woman. And by the way,

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this wasn't just a little like Oopsie, Daisy, I messed up.

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This was an eight year adulterous affair. And to boot

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it was one of her own friends named Karen Lamb.

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I can't tell you how much I feel for Kitty.

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When you really look down at what this woman dealt with.

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Money is not everything. Look at all the rich people

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that lose their friggin minds. You know, she wanted a

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loving family, and look what she got in return. Karen

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her friend quote unquote front of me more like it.

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She was from New York and she was a model.

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And the feeling of despair that poor Kitty was going

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through as her husband was off gallivanting around town and

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traveling just had my heart hurting for this woman. The

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more that I read. She became so distraught that she

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would allegedly attempt suicide more than one time, just to

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stop the pain that she was feeling. But she was

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ultimately unsuccessful. And you need to really sit in that

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for a second. This woman was in so much pain

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that she tried to end her life. Like my beloved

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has betrayed me and I don't want to live without him,

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and she's lost her sense of self because she poured

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it all into him. Kitty seemed stuck basically loving the

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man that she devoted her life to and knowing that

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she was in a position where she basically had to

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take his cheating on the chin. You know, that's just

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where she was and On top of this major disappointment

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was the fact that her sons were now starting to

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get in trouble too. Both Eric and Lyle would get

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into trouble when they decided to join up with a

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group of other wealthy teenagers and go around the area

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and start burglarizing homes. So I want to start with

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that and say, when you're watching TikTok and these perfect

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teenagers just slashed out, I'm gonna go ahead and call

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bullshit because the police record stands for itself. They were

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going around town burglarizing homes, and they weren't just taking

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bicycles or just breaking down doors or doing graffiti or

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something like that. They stole over one hundred thousand dollars

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worth of items from their neighbors and other people around them,

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including jewelry, as well as a whole ass van. Like

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they took the whole car, which they would eventually get

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pulled over in when Jose found out. To say he

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was not impressed is an understatement, and he loaded that

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van up, filled it up with a bunch of stolen stuff,

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basically all the stolen items that he could find that

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the boys had taken, and he drove it himself up

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to the sheriff's office to turn it in. He then asked,

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what else is missing? Because I will cut a check

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right now to reimburse those people. And he did. He

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wrote an eleven thousand dollars check right then for the

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items that he could not find that his sons stole.

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So I guess you could look at this two ways.

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You could say, oh, well, he bailed his sons out

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of trouble, no wonder they turned out the way they did.

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Or what you could look at this as to me

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was Jose wasn't willing to just overlook this because they

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were wealthy. He wanted to do what made it right

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for the other people, not necessarily saving his sons, which

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he did, but the other people being made whole again.

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If this was you or me, and I have to

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tell you this, if this was you or me, the

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ones listening to me talk right now, we would have

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been thrown underneath the jail. Are you kidding me? One

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hundred thousand dollars worth of stuff me and you bye

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bye me and you would be gone. Eric only got

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a sentence of probation, along with community service and counseling. Lyle,

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I don't think I don't member exactly. I don't think

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y'all got charged. It was a whole fiasco. But what

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ended up happening as a result of this was that

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that counseling aspect of what they were sentenced to is

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why their mother Kitty originally went and found a psychologist

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for him to go to. It wasn't because he was

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having depression. It wasn't because his grades were failing. It

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wasn't because he wasn't sleeping well, aka all of the

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things that tend to be seen in abuse of children

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cases like sex abuse. It wasn't because any of that.

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It was because he got caught in a criminal act

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and he was forced to by sentence. The common behavioral

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issues of sexually abused teens, by the way, the most

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common ones are self harm. Self harm and the concept

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here and by the way, you know, it's not all inclusive.

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This isn't always the fact, but it is a majority

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of the time, and you can look up the stats

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on this. And the reasoning behind it in terms of

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psychology is because when kids or teens feel out of

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control by circumstances affecting them, self harm gives them a

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sense of control because they control hurting themselves. I never

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saw anything documented about this with the Menindez brothers. Not

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to say it has to happen. I'm just saying the

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way that the Menindez brothers behaved was the antithesis of

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everything I would have expected, just based on experience, reading

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and data. Fast forward a few years later and Lyle

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would be at Princeton University. He would find himself in

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trouble again while there because he's accused of plagiarizing a

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paper in psychology class. It was serious enough that he

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was called in to the admin office and he was

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given two options by the university. You can either leave

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on your own or will expel you. That's how egregious

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this plagiarism was. So again, guess who showed up to

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defend law Jose, And it was of course no use.

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I mean, the university wasn't gonna budge on it. So

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Lyle would quote unquote choose to leave the university. But

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was it really a choice because he had to because

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of his own actions? Unethical to say the least. Another

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paper that was written is also pretty eye opening to me,

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But this one was written by Eric and this paper

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was a sixty six page manuscript to be exact, and

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it's one that he wrote kind of like a screenplay,

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and it's about a sophisticated and good looking teenager named

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Hamilton Cromwell, and Hamilton Cromwell murders his parents with the

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full intent of inheriting their fortune. Sixty six pages about

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this good looking guy. So by nineteen eighty nine, the

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brothers were nineteen and twenty two years years old, and

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they wanted for nothing thanks to their father and their mother.

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According to Eric, he was told around August thirteenth or

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August fourteenth that he was going to have to come

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home several nights a week while he was attending college

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at UCLA. And that's where this whole thing kind of

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seems to unravel. The reason that Eric found this very

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upsetting was one he didn't want to come home, but

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two is because he now claims that it's because his

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father had been sexually abusing him, which he told Lyle

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only five days before the parents are murdered. Five days

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before the murder, Lyle had been off at college and

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had come home for the summer when all of this

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was supposedly told to him for the very first time.

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So this is why on August fifteenth, Lyle claims that

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he confronted his father Jose, about the sex abuse when

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Eric wasn't home. Lyle then supposedly told Eric that their

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father told him to go back to Princeton and basically

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forget the conversations had ever happened about the abuse, and

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that's when Lyle says He claims he pushed back and

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was like, no, this has got to stop. And that's

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when Lyle says. Jose then left for a business trip,

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and when Jose came back from the business trip days later,

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Jose busted up in Eric's room, yelling at him and

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going crazy, supposedly because Eric had told Lyle about the

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sex abuse. Eric said basically that in that yelling fit,

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Jose was worried that Lyle was going to go quote

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tell everybody about the sex abuse. And I'm just curious,

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if this is supposedly the truth, why wouldn't Jose be

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worried that Eric would go tell everybody on his own,

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Because understand, Eric's not five years old when this is happening.

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He's nineteen years old. It's not like Eric can't speak

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for himself. He's nineteen years old and just simmerre on

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that for a minute. And I know a lot of

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people are on different sides of the fence of whether

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the abuse happened or not, but I would think that

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a grown man would be worried another grown man or

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old teen would go tell, not just whenever the brother

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found out. So they were so, you know, moved by

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this conversation. And it was directly because of this conversation

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that Eric says that he started to fear for his life.

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When I fear for my life, I would assume my

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blood pressure would go up, my heart would be racing,

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I would be just so afraid. I would be trying

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to get away from whatever was scaring me and making

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me feel threatened. The brothers were so scared that three

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days later, not minutes later, not hours later, three whole

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days later, after also living in the home with the

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parents and choosing not to leave the home where they

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supposedly feared so greatly for their lives, but three days later,

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the brothers then set out to arm themselves. So it

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was August eighteenth, two days before they would ultimately murder

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their parents, that they first tried to go buy guns

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in Los Angeles, and they found out pretty quickly though

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that they couldn't buy handguns. It wouldn't happen quickly, meaning

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they'd have to wait some time, and so they decided

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to switch to a different plan. So they went even further,

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driving from Los Angeles to San Diego to buy guns.

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But when they got there, they were asked for their identification.

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The two of them then stepped aside and they quickly

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kind of started talking back and forth about what to do. Obviously,

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this was a little strange looking, especially to the guy

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who just said, can I have your idea? And it

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caused this whole side conversation. So when they realized this

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might look kind of weird, they decided they didn't want

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to look any more suspicious to that clerk, and so

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they decided to just leave. When they finally went to

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a third store, it was there that they presented fake IDs.

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They had stolen them, by the way, They stole them

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from a roommate that they, you know, that while had

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in college, and then they gave fake addresses where they

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were finally able to buy two shotguns. So they're lying

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from the get go about these weapons, which I just

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if this was a spontaneous type of issue based on

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fear for your life. I'm not so convinced about having

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time to go steal IDs and then lie about who

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you're buying it under, and then give fake addresses. So

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when they were confronted about the address issue, by the

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way not matching up on the ID, they lied again

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to the clerk and said, oh, it's because we just moved.

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It's a new address. And this is also when they

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left and they decided that they were going to go

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do some practice firing at a range. Let's practice, I guess,

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shooting people. Let's practice it. Even though this is supposed

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to be fear for your life. Let's go practice. But

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they found out when they got to the range that

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they couldn't because you can't practice with shotguns at the range.

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While they were there, they also had a conversation where

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they found out that bird shot, which was the type

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of EMMO that had bird shot, wasn't very effective to

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knock something large down. And that's when they decided to

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switch to buckshot to make sure they could quote unquote

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stop a person. So now the boys were so afraid

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of their father that they had to go arm themselves

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days after having a conversation that supposedly scared them beyond

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their wildish dreams, but they were willing to go unarmed

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on a fishing trip that their father was paying for,

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as well as with their father and their mother days later,

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even though they did have the weapons that they had

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already bought to supposedly defend themselves. But the fishing trip,

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no problem. We'll go fishing with y'all, even though we

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fear for our lives. Let's go on a boat and

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go out into water, deep water. Then, on August twentieth,

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Lyle spoke to a friend of his named Perry Berman,

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and they plans to get together that night and they

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were going to go to eat at this Taste of

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La Food festival. He told his buddy, look, me and

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Eric are going to go see a Batman movie at

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the movie theater, and that movie is going to end

459
00:29:14.039 --> 00:29:19.279
sometime around nine o'clock. Now, something I would like to

460
00:29:19.319 --> 00:29:22.680
point out to you is that Eric and Lyle did

461
00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:26.279
not have their tickets for the movie purchased until after

462
00:29:27.079 --> 00:29:31.519
they killed their parents. Yet they told Perry earlier that

463
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:33.599
evening that they would be going to a movie and

464
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:35.799
then would meet up with him afterwards for the festival.

465
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:43.319
Eric also claimed that Lyle got into an argument with

466
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:45.680
Jose and Kitty about them wanting to go out for

467
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:48.880
the evening, to which Jose told Eric to go to

468
00:29:48.920 --> 00:29:54.440
his room. Just go to your room. That's when Eric

469
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.440
claimed that he was afraid that Jose was going to

470
00:29:58.480 --> 00:29:59.759
come up there and want to have sex with him,

471
00:30:00.119 --> 00:30:03.799
arguing about going to a festival and now he's fearing

472
00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.680
his father coming to have sex with him. He did

473
00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:10.160
begin walking up to his room, according to him, but

474
00:30:10.240 --> 00:30:13.200
he eavesdropped. He didn't quite go up, and he says

475
00:30:13.240 --> 00:30:16.720
he heard Lal say you're not gonna touch my brother again.

476
00:30:19.839 --> 00:30:22.519
So so I wonder what the jump was from the

477
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:25.759
festival to don't have sex with my brother. I do

478
00:30:25.799 --> 00:30:30.319
genuinely wonder about that. How did that come up in

479
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:36.000
that conversation? And then, according to the brothers, after he

480
00:30:36.039 --> 00:30:39.880
says you're not gonna touch my brother again, that's when

481
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:43.559
Jose and Kitty then promptly turned around and went to

482
00:30:43.599 --> 00:30:49.319
the den to watch TV and eat ice cream. I'm

483
00:30:49.400 --> 00:30:53.079
just not maybe my household's different, but we get into

484
00:30:53.079 --> 00:30:58.680
an argument about something that serious. Uh, I don't think

485
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:00.400
it's just gonna end by me turning around and going

486
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:02.680
to eat ice cream and watch TV. I feel like

487
00:31:02.680 --> 00:31:05.200
that's going to be a pretty big moment, you know,

488
00:31:05.319 --> 00:31:13.440
in the house, and this one, you know, just so

489
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:17.400
strange to me that supposedly Lyle then ran upstairs. Mind

490
00:31:17.400 --> 00:31:22.799
you remember he's twenty two, his brother's nineteen. Supposedly Lyle

491
00:31:22.839 --> 00:31:27.359
then ran upstairs, and Eric was crying and violently shaking, saying,

492
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:29.079
I can't have him come in my room and do

493
00:31:29.160 --> 00:31:34.519
this to me. But again, guys, Jose and Kitty were

494
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:41.000
downstairs watching TV eating ice cream. I the evidence proves

495
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.519
that their bowls were down there was ice cream with

496
00:31:43.559 --> 00:31:48.559
blueberries in it. So I don't see how you can

497
00:31:48.640 --> 00:31:53.720
be going from like, how did you deathly fear someone's

498
00:31:53.759 --> 00:31:56.240
gonna come rape you when they're sitting on a couch

499
00:31:56.279 --> 00:32:00.240
eating ice cream? Like how long did could this conversation

500
00:32:00.319 --> 00:32:02.599
have lasted that it could go up and down like

501
00:32:02.680 --> 00:32:04.519
that to where they're both in there eating ice cream,

502
00:32:04.559 --> 00:32:06.839
Yet you're upstairs violently shaking, and he never even went

503
00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.119
up there. The boy's own account that he never went

504
00:32:09.200 --> 00:32:13.680
up there. That's when Eric went and got his shotgun

505
00:32:13.759 --> 00:32:16.640
from the closet, and then he went downstairs to his

506
00:32:16.680 --> 00:32:20.039
car where he took the bird shot out that he had,

507
00:32:20.319 --> 00:32:23.799
and he put the buck shot in and then Lyle

508
00:32:23.920 --> 00:32:26.599
at some point got his gun, and then he also

509
00:32:26.680 --> 00:32:30.680
went to the car and he loaded the gun alongside Eric.

510
00:32:31.680 --> 00:32:33.240
So you feared for your life so much as you

511
00:32:33.240 --> 00:32:36.160
didn't even have your weapon prepared, even though you had

512
00:32:36.160 --> 00:32:39.960
already discussed it days prior. You're so afraid of your life.

513
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.160
Your weapon wasn't even prepared. Like I just, I don't know, man,

514
00:32:44.240 --> 00:32:46.880
it doesn't sit right with me. So, while Kitty and

515
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:49.720
Jose were eating in the living room, Lyle and Eric

516
00:32:49.799 --> 00:32:53.839
came through the doors and started blowing them away with

517
00:32:53.920 --> 00:32:59.640
these shotguns. Y'all, there were upwards of sixteen shotgun rounds,

518
00:33:00.200 --> 00:33:05.160
whatever you want to call it, shot sixteen. I need

519
00:33:05.200 --> 00:33:07.400
you to think about that, Like, don't gloss over that

520
00:33:07.799 --> 00:33:14.599
sixteen rounds were shot at their parents. It's absolute overkill.

521
00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:19.920
I mean it is. It is so violent, so violent,

522
00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.759
And both of the brothers claimed that they walked in

523
00:33:22.799 --> 00:33:27.039
the living room and just started shooting. They also walked

524
00:33:27.079 --> 00:33:31.000
out after blowing around, blowing rounds at their parents. They

525
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:35.160
then walked out, went back to the car, reloaded the weapons,

526
00:33:35.400 --> 00:33:39.200
and then walked back inside. And that's when Lyle his

527
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.640
own words. That's when Lyle realized his mother was still

528
00:33:43.640 --> 00:33:48.400
making noises, and so he walked up to the woman

529
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:52.480
that gave birth to both of them, placed the muzzle

530
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:57.000
of the shotgun to her cheek, and blew her head off.

531
00:33:58.839 --> 00:34:03.920
Jose also had a contact wound to his head as

532
00:34:03.960 --> 00:34:06.559
well as other parts of his body. But this is

533
00:34:06.599 --> 00:34:09.239
where I want to also look at some evidence here.

534
00:34:09.559 --> 00:34:13.599
Jose was shot at point blank range in the back

535
00:34:14.039 --> 00:34:17.239
of the head. You can see it in the photos.

536
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:20.480
He's just sitting there with his legs crossed watching TV

537
00:34:20.960 --> 00:34:23.119
when the gun is set to the back of his

538
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:28.760
head and blows his brains out. I don't see how

539
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:33.639
that is a self defensive move when you blitz attack

540
00:34:33.760 --> 00:34:37.639
somebody and shoot them in the back of the head.

541
00:34:37.840 --> 00:34:41.880
If this was any other situation, hands down, everyone would go, hm, nope,

542
00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.239
that's a murder like everyone would just go that ain't right.

543
00:34:46.599 --> 00:34:49.000
I'm telling you, really think about that. Blew the man's

544
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.519
brains out. Even the cops on scene said that when

545
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.400
they got there, they were like, holy shit, there was

546
00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:56.239
blood and brains on the ceiling. They said it was dripping.

547
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:59.440
When they went to go move Jose's body, his brain

548
00:34:59.519 --> 00:35:04.440
fell out on the ground like on the ground. Sorry

549
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:08.360
for the sound effects. And I just have to tell

550
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:11.239
you the autopsy report. It was conducted by a doctor Golden,

551
00:35:11.639 --> 00:35:16.800
and he said that Jose suffered explosive decapitation with evisceration

552
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:18.960
of the brain. I mean it was turned to jelly

553
00:35:19.239 --> 00:35:21.519
and the hole was so big you could put your

554
00:35:21.599 --> 00:35:27.679
fist through it. Jose's face was horrifically deformed and interesting enough,

555
00:35:27.719 --> 00:35:30.679
like I told you, there was soot on the back

556
00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:32.960
of his head, which proves that it was a point

557
00:35:33.079 --> 00:35:37.920
blank shot to the back of his head. It certainly

558
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:42.880
appears that Jose was seated watching TV and was attacked

559
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:47.199
from behind, where he was then shot again twice in

560
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:51.360
the right arm, once in the left elbow, and one

561
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:54.960
more time in his left knee. It really implies to

562
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:57.719
me that this was a surprise attack and not a

563
00:35:57.800 --> 00:36:00.320
retaliatory like, oh he was coming to rate me type

564
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:04.920
of situation. Kitty's death, on the other hand, was far

565
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:10.320
more brutal, far more brutal than Jose's. She was shot

566
00:36:10.840 --> 00:36:14.639
y'all in the left cheek. It blew her face, It

567
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:17.840
fractured into her upper jaw, It blew her teeth out,

568
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.800
and there were a total of three shots in their

569
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:26.280
mother's face. In her face, and when I first saw

570
00:36:26.320 --> 00:36:28.320
the post mortem photo of her, I was a little

571
00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:31.559
confused as to the shot to her left cheek because

572
00:36:31.599 --> 00:36:33.679
it didn't look like a wound I would have expected

573
00:36:33.719 --> 00:36:37.199
from a buck shot round going into the face. But

574
00:36:37.880 --> 00:36:41.440
this was soon answered because when the coroner continued on

575
00:36:41.480 --> 00:36:44.960
in the report, he says there was multiple ammo used

576
00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:48.360
when she was shot. Dull right. They shot her with

577
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:51.559
the buck shot, then they went outside. She wasn't dead,

578
00:36:51.599 --> 00:36:54.559
she was moaning on the ground. They reloaded with the

579
00:36:54.599 --> 00:36:58.320
bird shot, and then they came back inside where Lyle said,

580
00:36:58.360 --> 00:37:02.440
in his own words, my mom was crawling underneath the table.

581
00:37:03.480 --> 00:37:05.840
And that's whenever he put the gun to his mom's

582
00:37:05.920 --> 00:37:09.719
cheek and blew her in the face with the bird shot.

583
00:37:10.679 --> 00:37:14.800
To just think about their mother crawling on the ground,

584
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:19.840
probably already mortally wounded, and to walk in with such

585
00:37:20.880 --> 00:37:25.960
confidence to have reloaded the weapon. Remember, you fear for

586
00:37:26.000 --> 00:37:27.960
your life so much so that you went back to

587
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.760
the car, reloaded the weapon and came back. And then

588
00:37:31.800 --> 00:37:35.159
your poor mama is trying to crawl underneath a table

589
00:37:35.679 --> 00:37:41.760
to get away from you. Her children and then you

590
00:37:42.039 --> 00:37:46.440
put a gun to her face and pull the trigger.

591
00:37:49.519 --> 00:37:52.800
I just can't get past that. Her right thumb was

592
00:37:52.840 --> 00:37:57.679
nearly severed, which police even thought was indicative of her

593
00:37:57.719 --> 00:38:00.400
attempt at shielding herself from the blast. Put her hand

594
00:38:00.519 --> 00:38:03.920
up and it just blew her thumb off. And she

595
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:08.800
was also shot in her breasts, her legs, and arms.

596
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:13.400
And so when asked, you know what was going on

597
00:38:13.760 --> 00:38:17.320
when you were shooting them, Lyle said, oh, it was

598
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:21.519
just a rush and me firing. And to use the

599
00:38:21.519 --> 00:38:25.760
words a rush, I don't know that a rush is

600
00:38:25.920 --> 00:38:29.480
what word I would use if I feared for my life,

601
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:32.800
you know I. And I'm just using their words. I'm not.

602
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:36.440
I'm not making more of it than it is. I'm

603
00:38:36.480 --> 00:38:40.800
listening to what they've told me. So it makes me

604
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:46.920
wonder why was Kitty hit so many times? If they

605
00:38:46.960 --> 00:38:50.440
feared for their life because their dad was the rapist,

606
00:38:51.159 --> 00:38:55.840
then why was Mom shot so much? They later would

607
00:38:55.880 --> 00:39:00.800
claim it's because she was complicit in Jose sexually abusing them.

608
00:39:01.079 --> 00:39:04.239
But I'm gonna tell you, y'all, there's not one ounce

609
00:39:04.400 --> 00:39:08.199
of proof of this other than what the brothers have

610
00:39:08.360 --> 00:39:14.920
said and in nuendo, I guess there's nothing in writing.

611
00:39:15.079 --> 00:39:20.480
There's nothing other than their claims that their mother did this.

612
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:24.159
And that's why I feel like Kitty was in the way.

613
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:26.159
Kitty was in the way of them getting what they

614
00:39:26.199 --> 00:39:30.000
wanted without consequences or pushback. And what they wanted was

615
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:34.679
their parents dead and their money. If Kitty was alive,

616
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:38.920
she would get the money. Kitty had to die or

617
00:39:38.960 --> 00:39:42.840
they wouldn't get everything they wanted, and that's why the

618
00:39:42.960 --> 00:39:47.239
cover up began in that moment. So they collected all

619
00:39:47.280 --> 00:39:50.719
the shotgun shells in case fingerprints might be on them. Remember,

620
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.360
they fear for their lives, so they collected so their

621
00:39:54.360 --> 00:39:57.679
fingerprints wouldn't be found. They then drove to the movie

622
00:39:57.760 --> 00:40:01.679
theater after killing their parents, supposedly in fear for their life,

623
00:40:01.719 --> 00:40:03.719
to the point that they could not even function, and

624
00:40:03.920 --> 00:40:06.559
Eric was shaking and crying in his bedroom. They then

625
00:40:06.599 --> 00:40:09.000
get in the car together and they drive to a

626
00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:12.320
theater to buy Batman tickets as part of their cover up,

627
00:40:12.440 --> 00:40:14.280
but they ended up not being able to use them

628
00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:18.000
because the tickets are time stamped, so they were useless.

629
00:40:18.599 --> 00:40:21.360
So they then went and dumped the shotgun shells, their

630
00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:24.079
bloody shoes, and their clothes. They dumped that at a

631
00:40:24.079 --> 00:40:26.280
gas station in a trash can. And then it was

632
00:40:26.320 --> 00:40:31.159
around eleven pm that night before Lyle called his friend back.

633
00:40:31.239 --> 00:40:34.480
Remember they were making plans. He called him back, claiming, oh,

634
00:40:34.639 --> 00:40:36.920
Eric got lost on the way to the festival and

635
00:40:36.960 --> 00:40:39.079
the damn thing was over before we could get to it.

636
00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:43.719
That's weird in and of itself. And then Lyle says, okay, well,

637
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:46.320
let's make plans. I'll meet you Perry at a restaurant

638
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:48.719
in Beverly Hills. But then he calls him right back

639
00:40:48.760 --> 00:40:51.719
and says, hey, just come to our house instead. But

640
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:55.920
Perry ultimately he's like, nah, I'll just wait for y'all

641
00:40:56.039 --> 00:40:57.880
to run home because Eric said he needed to get

642
00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:00.360
his fake ID. But you know, good and well, Lyle

643
00:41:00.400 --> 00:41:02.480
was trying to set that boy up to go find

644
00:41:02.480 --> 00:41:05.239
his murdered parents, you know, good and well. That's what

645
00:41:05.320 --> 00:41:11.559
that was about. And that's when they ended up back

646
00:41:11.599 --> 00:41:13.559
at the house. Right. The boys go back to get

647
00:41:13.639 --> 00:41:17.440
Eric's quote unquote fake ID and supposedly discovered their parents'

648
00:41:17.440 --> 00:41:20.440
dead bodies, and all hell broke loose. Lyle then called

649
00:41:20.480 --> 00:41:23.159
nine to one one, claiming, somebody killed my parents. While

650
00:41:23.280 --> 00:41:25.920
Eric is screaming and crying in the background, and when

651
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:29.400
the police got there, Lyle and Eric both ran from

652
00:41:29.440 --> 00:41:33.239
the house to the officers screaming, which I also think

653
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.400
is weird because I guarantee you if I run up

654
00:41:36.400 --> 00:41:39.480
in a house with my people's brains and bodies blown

655
00:41:39.559 --> 00:41:42.079
up with guns, I'm not going chill in that house.

656
00:41:42.159 --> 00:41:47.760
I'm leaving it. I mean, like, with a quickness, I'm

657
00:41:47.840 --> 00:41:51.639
leaving that house. And even stranger was that after the

658
00:41:51.679 --> 00:41:54.840
police started processing the scene, Eric and Lyle both wanted

659
00:41:54.840 --> 00:41:57.000
to go back in the house, and they when asked

660
00:41:57.039 --> 00:41:59.440
what do you need, they said they wanted their tennis rackets.

661
00:42:01.559 --> 00:42:04.440
Why do you care about your damn tennis racket? Your

662
00:42:04.480 --> 00:42:09.639
parents are dead. So Lyle and Eric both then lied,

663
00:42:10.039 --> 00:42:12.679
claiming that they weren't home whenever the murders took place,

664
00:42:13.039 --> 00:42:14.840
and then they alluded to the fact that, you know,

665
00:42:14.920 --> 00:42:18.679
this probably is mafia related, and this would make sense

666
00:42:19.079 --> 00:42:23.039
to an extent in the police eyes, because the brutality,

667
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:26.920
just the sheer brutality and the overkill of the scene

668
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:35.119
definitely had mafia esque look to it. But you know,

669
00:42:36.199 --> 00:42:38.360
this is something I think that the brothers did on purpose,

670
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:42.199
because that lends itself to the story where the police

671
00:42:42.199 --> 00:42:44.719
would go on that hunch. And that's also when Lyle

672
00:42:45.199 --> 00:42:48.760
hired bodyguards to protect him twenty four hours a day,

673
00:42:48.880 --> 00:42:52.599
claiming it must have been the Colombian cartel or the

674
00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:57.360
mafia after them, yet they remained in the house with

675
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:02.480
their dead parents. Think that through. You supposedly don't know

676
00:43:02.480 --> 00:43:05.159
who killed your parents, yet you stayed in the house

677
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:07.840
until police got there. You would be I would y'ah,

678
00:43:07.840 --> 00:43:10.239
they'd be fire behind my ass, and there would also

679
00:43:10.320 --> 00:43:12.679
be little brown little piles behind me because I'd be

680
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.480
shitting my pants. I wouldn't be sitting in the house

681
00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:17.559
waiting for the police. And then you're gonna come out

682
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:19.280
with this bullshit that you think the mafia or the

683
00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:22.039
cartel is after you. You don't even know where the

684
00:43:22.119 --> 00:43:27.079
killers are, right sure, But the bodyguard stick it only

685
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:31.800
lasted for like a week before Lyle just like nah,

686
00:43:31.920 --> 00:43:34.960
never mind, cuts that detail off. I guess the danger

687
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:41.559
of the mafia didn't matter anymore. And then he got

688
00:43:41.639 --> 00:43:44.119
him another bodyguard though, when he went back to Princeton

689
00:43:44.239 --> 00:43:46.679
during the fall semester. So I don't understand the break

690
00:43:46.679 --> 00:43:49.039
in the bodyguard. Either either you're in danger or you're not.

691
00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:54.000
Eric then followed suit, and he was claiming to people,

692
00:43:54.079 --> 00:43:56.880
but he was naming names. He claimed that a man

693
00:43:56.960 --> 00:44:01.079
named Noel Bloom or Noel Bloom was in the murders,

694
00:44:01.199 --> 00:44:04.360
or he could have been, and that it was probably

695
00:44:04.480 --> 00:44:08.840
involving a deal gone bad with his dad and Jose

696
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:14.280
and Kitty's assets. Y'all were considerable. Jose's income was well

697
00:44:14.320 --> 00:44:18.000
over a million a year and his stockholdings combined with

698
00:44:18.079 --> 00:44:21.920
his property values told about seven million dollars. All of

699
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.000
this would have to be enforced, though, and then hopefully,

700
00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:27.719
the brothers said it would be left to both of them.

701
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.880
But one big issue for the brothers was that, according

702
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:36.400
to Eric himself, that his dad Jose had removed him

703
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.679
from the will, and they believed that another one had

704
00:44:39.719 --> 00:44:44.280
been drafted, so literally literally, the day after their parents

705
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:48.119
are slaughtered, the Menindez brothers met with a family friend

706
00:44:48.159 --> 00:44:51.599
his name was Randolph Wright, about ensuring before the court

707
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:55.320
that their will that their dad wrote in nineteen eighty

708
00:44:55.360 --> 00:44:59.719
one was the final and legitimate one, leaving everything to them.

709
00:45:00.320 --> 00:45:02.519
I don't think I would be able to function the

710
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:07.480
next day, but they're worried about the money. Lyle felt

711
00:45:07.519 --> 00:45:11.440
like the will was probably in his dad's safe, which

712
00:45:11.480 --> 00:45:14.400
he then took and he gave it to Randolph Wright

713
00:45:14.519 --> 00:45:17.320
to hold in his spare bedroom because not only was

714
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:19.599
he a family friend, but he was also an attorney.

715
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:24.880
And when it was opened, only Lyle and Eric were

716
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:27.280
in the room. They would not allow anyone else in

717
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:30.480
the room, and then when other people came in, they claimed, oh,

718
00:45:30.519 --> 00:45:35.320
the safe was empty. It may also be of interest

719
00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:39.119
to you to know that a computer expert, Howard Witkin,

720
00:45:39.719 --> 00:45:42.760
he was called by Lyle himself and he said, I

721
00:45:42.800 --> 00:45:45.159
have an emergency dealing with a computer and I need

722
00:45:45.199 --> 00:45:47.599
you to come look. So he shows up and he

723
00:45:47.719 --> 00:45:51.920
was looking for three files in that computer. The ones

724
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:56.559
the words were sorry, will Eric and Lyle. But the

725
00:45:56.639 --> 00:46:00.159
files were unable to be opened, which was strange there

726
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:04.159
but he couldn't open them. And when he was told this,

727
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:07.119
Lyle said, well, look, I just want you to completely

728
00:46:07.119 --> 00:46:10.480
erase the computer because I want to sell it. He says,

729
00:46:10.480 --> 00:46:12.440
for safety reasons, I don't. I want to make sure

730
00:46:12.440 --> 00:46:15.639
there's no financial information probably you know, or possibly left

731
00:46:15.679 --> 00:46:20.119
on it. And that makes me go, what these soon

732
00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:24.800
to be multi multi millionaires are going to sell a computer? Like, really,

733
00:46:25.320 --> 00:46:27.800
you need to go sell a used computer. That's what

734
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:34.280
you're telling me. Shortly thereafter, this was just a little

735
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:39.639
while later. Magically, the original nineteen eighty one will was

736
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:45.400
found and it left everything to the Menendez brothers. The

737
00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:51.519
devastated brothers were in control of the money. The devastated brothers,

738
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:54.480
who didn't know what to do with themselves, then went

739
00:46:54.599 --> 00:46:59.440
on a shopping spree of a lifetime. Lyle, for example,

740
00:46:59.519 --> 00:47:03.119
got three Rolex watches, He got two money clips. He

741
00:47:03.159 --> 00:47:07.000
bought a new porche carrera cabriolet. He bought himself a

742
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:10.280
new house. Eric got himself a jeep wrangler, went and

743
00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:14.480
had his custom clothes made. He also bought some businesses.

744
00:47:14.719 --> 00:47:17.639
He bought himself a new house. I mean nearly blew

745
00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:23.000
through a million dollars right after their parents are slaughtered.

746
00:47:24.360 --> 00:47:26.840
So you'll fast forward and eventually we all know this.

747
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:30.199
In March of nineteen ninety, Lyle was arrested by police,

748
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:32.760
and then Eric would turn himself in when he returned

749
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:35.360
from an overseas trip, and at that point they were

750
00:47:35.360 --> 00:47:37.679
both charged with the first degree murder of their parents.

751
00:47:38.800 --> 00:47:44.119
Two witnesses, not one, but two unrelated witnesses would later

752
00:47:44.159 --> 00:47:47.079
come forward and would say that they had been asked

753
00:47:47.280 --> 00:47:53.639
to fabricate evidence by Lyle Menindez. One's name was Brian

754
00:47:54.199 --> 00:47:57.440
s Lamina, and he said that Lyle asked him to

755
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.880
lie and to testify that the day before the murders,

756
00:48:00.880 --> 00:48:03.760
the brothers said they needed a gun for protection. It

757
00:48:03.840 --> 00:48:07.320
never happened to me. That's them trying to set up that, oh,

758
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:09.519
we were scared for our life. They don't have any

759
00:48:09.519 --> 00:48:14.159
proof of that. The other witness was Lyle's own girlfriend

760
00:48:14.440 --> 00:48:17.159
at the time. Her name was Jamie, and she testified

761
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:19.559
that Lyle asked her to go to the police and

762
00:48:19.599 --> 00:48:22.960
claim that Jose had raped her, which had not happened,

763
00:48:22.960 --> 00:48:27.400
and she's like, no, I'm not gonna do that. Why

764
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:31.000
would you need to fake abuse? Why would you need

765
00:48:31.039 --> 00:48:34.159
a fake abuse of other people? When what happened to

766
00:48:34.199 --> 00:48:38.519
you was supposedly so horrible that you had to kill

767
00:48:38.559 --> 00:48:41.000
your parents. Why do you need to fake more evidence

768
00:48:41.079 --> 00:48:43.360
if it was that bad what happened to you? And

769
00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.840
real quick, I'm not saying that there's levels of sex abuse.

770
00:48:45.880 --> 00:48:47.679
There's some that's okay and some that's not. That's not

771
00:48:47.719 --> 00:48:50.199
what I'm saying at all. I'm talking about in general,

772
00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:52.840
if something horrible happened to you. Why do you need

773
00:48:52.880 --> 00:48:59.039
to go fabricate more evidence. It should speak for itself evidence, y'all.

774
00:48:59.079 --> 00:49:02.280
It's like a lion, you know what I'm saying. Let

775
00:49:02.320 --> 00:49:04.960
that thing loose and it'll defend itself. The truth doesn't

776
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:10.719
need to be defended. So to me, this screams that

777
00:49:10.760 --> 00:49:14.320
something may have happened to the Suns, but it could

778
00:49:14.320 --> 00:49:18.599
have happened. But they knew in their gut it wasn't

779
00:49:18.719 --> 00:49:22.199
enough to justify the double murder that they committed, and

780
00:49:22.239 --> 00:49:27.239
they wanted more. They just couldn't justify Kitty's death. And this,

781
00:49:27.480 --> 00:49:30.760
my friends, is where my biggest issue lay in this

782
00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:34.639
case Kitty's murder. And I'll be honest with you that

783
00:49:34.719 --> 00:49:38.280
it sure does seem like something could have happened at

784
00:49:38.280 --> 00:49:42.679
the hands of Jose. One member of that band, Menudo,

785
00:49:42.840 --> 00:49:46.199
even came forward years later and he claimed that Jose

786
00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:49.039
had drugged and raped him as well. And that's hard

787
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:50.559
for me to ignore if I'm going to look at

788
00:49:50.599 --> 00:49:56.840
all of the evidence. But that kid also gave specifics too.

789
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:58.639
By the way, he said that management asked him to

790
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:01.079
do a favor for them. He wrote in a limo

791
00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:03.800
where he was served wine and then he said he

792
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.039
lost control of his body, was raped by Jose Menendez

793
00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:11.119
and then returned back to the hotel. Another cousin of

794
00:50:11.159 --> 00:50:15.159
the Menindez brothers came forward and claimed that Eric told

795
00:50:15.239 --> 00:50:19.000
her that Jose was touching him whenever he was around

796
00:50:19.079 --> 00:50:21.440
eight or ten years old. So I'm not going to

797
00:50:21.480 --> 00:50:24.599
completely discount that. I don't, in my gut feel like

798
00:50:24.639 --> 00:50:27.199
anything happened to Lyle other than his father said you're

799
00:50:27.239 --> 00:50:28.599
being a son of a bitch and you need to

800
00:50:28.639 --> 00:50:31.280
get your life together. That's all I feel like happened

801
00:50:31.280 --> 00:50:33.800
to Lyle. I do almost feel like something may have

802
00:50:33.840 --> 00:50:39.199
happened to Eric. I can't shake that. But another letter

803
00:50:39.559 --> 00:50:43.360
came to light where months before the murders, Eric had

804
00:50:43.360 --> 00:50:49.400
written about abuse. But this one I'm not sure I believe,

805
00:50:49.800 --> 00:50:52.679
because how long do you think that they actually planned

806
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:55.599
these murders. There's no doubt that this was planned, and

807
00:50:55.639 --> 00:50:58.719
this could have been part of that plan. And another

808
00:50:58.880 --> 00:51:01.800
thing that I can't forget about is what the brothers

809
00:51:02.039 --> 00:51:06.480
said in these recorded tapes that their therapist recorded. This

810
00:51:06.679 --> 00:51:10.360
was doctor jerome o'zell and he had sessions. He had

811
00:51:10.400 --> 00:51:14.119
done some therapy sessions and completed evaluations of Eric after

812
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:17.360
those burglaries whenever he was younger, and then he wrote

813
00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:20.360
the reports which were submitted to the juvenile courts, and

814
00:51:20.400 --> 00:51:23.119
that's why Eric was able to get those that diversion

815
00:51:23.159 --> 00:51:27.239
program and eventually all of his charges were dismissed, but

816
00:51:27.440 --> 00:51:32.480
on their own. On their own, the Menendez brothers started

817
00:51:32.480 --> 00:51:35.960
seeing doctor Ozell again, and this was in September, October,

818
00:51:36.000 --> 00:51:40.920
and November of nineteen eighty nine, and eventually Eric cracked

819
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.639
under the pressure. He called doctor Ozel on October thirtieth

820
00:51:44.639 --> 00:51:47.039
of nineteen eighty nine, saying I need to speak with

821
00:51:47.079 --> 00:51:50.960
you urgently. Whenever the doctor met with Eric, Eric fully

822
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:55.880
and completely confessed to the crimes in detail. Lyle didn't

823
00:51:55.920 --> 00:52:00.320
know this, and so doctor Ozell kind of got panicked because, like,

824
00:52:00.360 --> 00:52:03.320
my god, when Lyle finds out, what is he gonna

825
00:52:03.360 --> 00:52:06.840
do now that I know the truth. So the doctor

826
00:52:06.880 --> 00:52:11.760
then called Lyle into the office, where Eric told Lyle

827
00:52:11.920 --> 00:52:15.760
and told in front of the doctor that he had

828
00:52:15.760 --> 00:52:18.840
confessed to the crime, and that's when Lyle went nuts.

829
00:52:19.199 --> 00:52:21.719
Lyle started screaming in holling, I can't believe you did this.

830
00:52:21.800 --> 00:52:24.599
I can't believe you told him. I don't have a brother. Now,

831
00:52:24.880 --> 00:52:27.000
I could get rid of you for this. Now. I

832
00:52:27.039 --> 00:52:28.920
hope you know what we're gonna do. I hope you

833
00:52:28.960 --> 00:52:31.719
realize that we're gonna have to do something. We've got

834
00:52:31.719 --> 00:52:34.840
to kill him and anyone associated with him. That's what

835
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.880
Lyle was saying about the doctor who just had it

836
00:52:38.000 --> 00:52:40.960
confessed to him. That says a lot to me that

837
00:52:41.079 --> 00:52:45.239
Lyle's now wanting to continue to kill people so scared

838
00:52:45.280 --> 00:52:49.079
for his own safety. That's when Ozell was really taping

839
00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:52.480
all of these confessions, and then he told them, look,

840
00:52:52.920 --> 00:52:54.840
I want you all to know I've recorded these, so

841
00:52:54.880 --> 00:52:58.920
if anything happens to me, the police are gonna find out.

842
00:52:59.280 --> 00:53:02.920
So on decem Umber eleventh, nineteen eighty nine, on that tape,

843
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:07.599
Eric and Lyle talked specifically about their relationship with their parents.

844
00:53:07.840 --> 00:53:10.920
They said that they felt pressures growing up, that they

845
00:53:10.920 --> 00:53:14.239
both loved their parents, but their dad was way too demanding,

846
00:53:14.960 --> 00:53:18.719
and then they start going into how their mother had

847
00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:22.480
contemplated suicide or attempted suicide and just was a really

848
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:26.320
unhappy person hashtag because her husband was cheating on her.

849
00:53:26.800 --> 00:53:30.599
But here are some excerpts from those tapes, and these

850
00:53:30.599 --> 00:53:37.199
are direct quotes. Eric says, well, we were we were

851
00:53:37.199 --> 00:53:42.519
doing almost in my mom's case, something that that first

852
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:46.880
of all, there was there was no way, never could

853
00:53:46.960 --> 00:53:49.960
she live without my father. So he's kind of saying,

854
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.400
like Kitty wouldn't have wanted to live without my father anyway,

855
00:53:52.639 --> 00:53:55.360
And Lyle comes in and says, that was something that

856
00:53:55.400 --> 00:53:58.440
we had to really it was a big thing holding

857
00:53:58.519 --> 00:54:02.199
us back from killing my father was that we thought

858
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.800
that we would just kill Dad and eliminate the problem.

859
00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:12.800
And so for my mother's sake, I thought that we

860
00:54:12.840 --> 00:54:16.679
did it. It was we had to come, like I

861
00:54:16.760 --> 00:54:19.360
was saying before, we had to make a decision. It

862
00:54:19.480 --> 00:54:21.480
was one of the harder ones, and it was a

863
00:54:21.519 --> 00:54:25.760
separate issue. He's the reason my father should be killed.

864
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:30.239
There's no question what he's doing is he's impossible to

865
00:54:30.280 --> 00:54:34.360
live with for myself, But I don't think it had

866
00:54:34.440 --> 00:54:37.480
anything to do with killing Helm, had nothing to do

867
00:54:37.559 --> 00:54:40.679
with us. It had to do with me realizing a

868
00:54:40.760 --> 00:54:43.800
number of things that all culminated, which was we could

869
00:54:43.800 --> 00:54:46.920
have culminated at any point, and it was just a

870
00:54:47.039 --> 00:54:50.239
question of Eric and I getting together and somebody bringing

871
00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:54.159
it up and us realizing the value in it, Like

872
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.639
are you listening to this. He's just going on and

873
00:54:56.800 --> 00:55:00.360
about the value of killing his parents. And then Lyle

874
00:55:00.440 --> 00:55:03.840
says this, there was no way I was gonna make

875
00:55:03.880 --> 00:55:08.000
a decision to kill my mother without Eric's consent. I

876
00:55:08.159 --> 00:55:11.079
was going I didn't even want to influence him in

877
00:55:11.119 --> 00:55:14.239
that issue. I just let him sleep on it for

878
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:20.440
a couple days, cause uh I did. I'm I'm a

879
00:55:20.599 --> 00:55:25.000
very good position to influence Eric on a lot of

880
00:55:25.079 --> 00:55:28.119
things because he knows that I care, and a whole

881
00:55:28.239 --> 00:55:31.599
number of issues that I can talk eloquently or whatever.

882
00:55:31.960 --> 00:55:35.079
And when it came to that issue, I wanted nothing

883
00:55:35.119 --> 00:55:37.159
to do with it. It had to be his personal

884
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.800
his own personal issue. If he felt the same way

885
00:55:40.840 --> 00:55:47.039
I did about killing mom. So, Kitty, their mother, they're

886
00:55:47.119 --> 00:55:50.719
telling you, in their own words, is just collateral damage

887
00:55:50.760 --> 00:55:52.840
in their minds, and she needs to be put down

888
00:55:52.880 --> 00:55:56.239
because she was unhappy. That's all he has said. Here,

889
00:55:56.400 --> 00:56:01.079
are you fucking serious? That's your justification because she's unhappy

890
00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:03.320
and she just couldn't live without your dad, So it

891
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:08.119
justifies you killing your mother. Is this the measurement of

892
00:56:08.159 --> 00:56:11.519
whether we should be allowed to murder, you know, murder others?

893
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.760
Then everyone better watched their back because we've all been

894
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:17.840
unhappy from time to time. Does that justify people getting

895
00:56:17.840 --> 00:56:20.719
to kill us like it's a mercy killing or something.

896
00:56:21.000 --> 00:56:23.280
They're posing this as if they did her a favor,

897
00:56:23.599 --> 00:56:26.039
blowing her head off with a shotgun as she then

898
00:56:26.119 --> 00:56:28.719
tried to crawl away from them, putting her hand up

899
00:56:28.719 --> 00:56:31.760
in defense, and then shooting her in the face with

900
00:56:31.840 --> 00:56:35.440
some kind of mercy. Who were they to decide if

901
00:56:35.480 --> 00:56:39.880
she wanted to die or not. That's unconscionable. And I'm sorry,

902
00:56:39.920 --> 00:56:44.199
but that's cold And they molded over for a few days.

903
00:56:44.480 --> 00:56:48.159
Does that sound like you fear for your life. That's

904
00:56:48.199 --> 00:56:51.880
the definition of cold blooded first degree murder, And in

905
00:56:51.960 --> 00:56:54.880
no way coincides with the statements given that they feared

906
00:56:55.039 --> 00:56:58.239
for their lives. And this also doesn't coincide with an

907
00:56:58.360 --> 00:57:01.719
argument erupted and that they decided to kill their parents

908
00:57:01.760 --> 00:57:05.920
out of fear. And my position is I do have

909
00:57:06.039 --> 00:57:11.280
reasonable doubt as to Jose's abuse of Eric. I really do.

910
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:16.039
I feel something may have happened. But again, y'all, they

911
00:57:16.039 --> 00:57:19.639
were adults. They were nineteen and twenty two years old.

912
00:57:19.960 --> 00:57:22.320
They could have left. They could have said screw this,

913
00:57:22.440 --> 00:57:25.199
I'd rather live in a barn. I'd rather live under

914
00:57:25.199 --> 00:57:28.760
an interstate overpass than spend another day in this household.

915
00:57:28.840 --> 00:57:32.480
But they didn't. They didn't leave because they liked their lifestyle.

916
00:57:33.920 --> 00:57:36.480
They would have been on their own. And I have

917
00:57:36.519 --> 00:57:39.599
a feeling that's the real issue here, is that Jose

918
00:57:39.800 --> 00:57:42.480
was cutting them out of his will, per Eric's own words,

919
00:57:42.719 --> 00:57:45.480
And that's also why Kitty had to die, because she

920
00:57:45.599 --> 00:57:50.320
would then inherit everything she would own the estate, abuse

921
00:57:50.400 --> 00:57:53.480
or not, Kitty was murdered in cold blood, and so

922
00:57:53.719 --> 00:57:56.559
was Jose. We will never know the truth because the

923
00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.920
brothers took it upon themselves to take away the opportunity

924
00:58:01.480 --> 00:58:04.920
to question Jose, and in doing so, and after all

925
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.800
the lies that they've told, they lose the benefit of

926
00:58:07.800 --> 00:58:11.079
the doubt. In my eyes, I think it's possible to

927
00:58:11.119 --> 00:58:15.559
be abused and to be a greedy asshole. I guess

928
00:58:15.559 --> 00:58:17.480
that's what I'm trying to say. I do not think

929
00:58:17.519 --> 00:58:22.039
those two are mutually exclusive. In July nineteen ninety three,

930
00:58:22.360 --> 00:58:24.599
the brothers went on trial in Los Angeles, each with

931
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:28.039
a separate jury, and their defenses now all of a

932
00:58:28.079 --> 00:58:30.840
sudden admit, Okay, yeah, they did kill their parents, but

933
00:58:30.920 --> 00:58:33.679
it was out of self defense after years of emotional

934
00:58:33.920 --> 00:58:38.400
and sexual abuse by their fathers, and both juries came

935
00:58:38.440 --> 00:58:41.199
to a deadlock and couldn't come to a verdict. And

936
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:44.920
then two years later the brothers were retried, but now

937
00:58:44.960 --> 00:58:48.199
they were retried with one jury, and this time the

938
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.440
jury convicted and sentenced both of the Menindez brothers to

939
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:56.800
life in prison without the possibility of parole. Their imperfect

940
00:58:57.000 --> 00:59:00.960
self defense argument didn't work. This was a blitz attack,

941
00:59:01.199 --> 00:59:04.280
and the jurors agreed. And another thing that irked me

942
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.800
was the brothers were claiming that they were lying about

943
00:59:07.840 --> 00:59:11.280
the mob, and they were lying about the other falsehoods

944
00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:17.559
in an effort to what they called preserving their father's legacy.

945
00:59:18.199 --> 00:59:21.039
So you're in fear of your life so much that

946
00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:24.039
you're willing to kill both of your parents, but you

947
00:59:24.119 --> 00:59:29.039
don't immediately explain why afterwards, because you want to save

948
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.920
his reputation. You want to murder him. But then you

949
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.840
want to spare his reputation. Yeah right, you wouldn't care,

950
00:59:39.039 --> 00:59:41.840
You wouldn't be you would be screaming it from the rooftops.

951
00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:45.599
You were willing to kill them. You were supposedly so afraid,

952
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:49.440
so scared, But then you want to preserve his legacy,

953
00:59:49.639 --> 00:59:51.800
and you want to give a eulogy for him at

954
00:59:51.840 --> 00:59:55.960
his funeral, that's beautiful. I don't buy that. I may

955
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:58.599
would have nothing to say as a victim, but I

956
00:59:58.599 --> 01:00:02.559
wouldn't have everything to say as if it wasn't me

957
01:00:02.639 --> 01:00:04.920
who did it. He also, Lyle was all about writing

958
01:00:04.920 --> 01:00:07.719
a book about his father to talk about how great

959
01:00:07.719 --> 01:00:10.920
his father was. In the beginning after they murdered him.

960
01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:15.480
They weren't worried about their father's legacy or their father's

961
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:17.760
name when they were stealing and having to be bailed

962
01:00:17.760 --> 01:00:22.039
out by Dad and burglarizing homes. They weren't worried about

963
01:00:22.079 --> 01:00:25.119
their father's name when Dad was cutting thousands of dollars

964
01:00:25.119 --> 01:00:28.079
of checks to cover the losses that they caused. And

965
01:00:28.119 --> 01:00:30.440
they weren't worried about their family's name when they were

966
01:00:30.480 --> 01:00:34.440
plagiarizing papers in college and their father was up there

967
01:00:34.480 --> 01:00:36.639
at the college through the embarrassment of what his son

968
01:00:36.679 --> 01:00:39.159
has done, trying to help him out. They weren't worried

969
01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:43.760
about ruining their names then. And in the jail phone calls,

970
01:00:44.519 --> 01:00:47.079
Lyle told a woman, which, by the way jail phone

971
01:00:47.119 --> 01:00:50.280
calls are recorded, he told a woman that he was

972
01:00:50.360 --> 01:00:55.360
willing to lie to help his case. That says a

973
01:00:55.400 --> 01:01:00.000
lot to me. And now comes all the TikTok bullshit

974
01:01:00.079 --> 01:01:03.719
it and all of the videos that you're seeing on television,

975
01:01:04.320 --> 01:01:06.960
and it's full of the pity arguments of the brothers.

976
01:01:07.599 --> 01:01:10.440
They want us to believe that they're telling the whole truth.

977
01:01:10.880 --> 01:01:14.679
Everything they say is the whole truth. But they are

978
01:01:14.719 --> 01:01:18.280
still victims. They say that it's because the judge was biased.

979
01:01:18.559 --> 01:01:22.079
They say they're victims because their dad was powerful. They

980
01:01:22.119 --> 01:01:24.679
say that they're victims because of the OJ case, and

981
01:01:24.719 --> 01:01:27.840
since OJ wasn't convicted, they have to pay the price

982
01:01:27.920 --> 01:01:31.559
for someone to be convicted. They say that the psychologist

983
01:01:31.719 --> 01:01:34.320
was lying and in a bad dealings with their father.

984
01:01:35.199 --> 01:01:37.199
They said that the woman that Lyle said he was

985
01:01:37.239 --> 01:01:40.000
willing to lie to benefit his case. They said that

986
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:42.440
that woman wasn't credible because she was just in love

987
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:45.280
with Lyle. So everything he said, I guess we discount

988
01:01:45.280 --> 01:01:47.519
because she was in love with him, supposedly, and on

989
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.039
and on and on, though it's his own words coming

990
01:01:51.079 --> 01:01:55.079
out of his own mouth. Supposedly. They also say that

991
01:01:55.199 --> 01:01:58.960
judge had a vendetta and needed them convicted. Why would

992
01:01:58.960 --> 01:02:01.000
a judge care I want you to really think about that.

993
01:02:01.400 --> 01:02:05.719
This the prosecution would care because the prosecution, you know,

994
01:02:06.079 --> 01:02:10.119
they get the DA gets elected because the conviction rates.

995
01:02:10.280 --> 01:02:14.280
The judge isn't affected by that. The judge just makes

996
01:02:14.320 --> 01:02:18.320
the damn ruling. They also claim victimhood once they were

997
01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:23.239
in prison, claiming that they were victimized again by being separated,

998
01:02:24.039 --> 01:02:27.800
sent to separate prisons. You killed your parents, Grow a

999
01:02:27.800 --> 01:02:29.719
fucking pair. I don't know what else to tell you.

1000
01:02:29.760 --> 01:02:33.280
Once you go to prison, nobody cares. One of them

1001
01:02:33.320 --> 01:02:35.480
even went on hunger strike because he didn't get to

1002
01:02:35.519 --> 01:02:37.599
go be with his brother. So you threw a fit

1003
01:02:37.639 --> 01:02:41.480
because you didn't get your way. Dude, you are so

1004
01:02:41.639 --> 01:02:44.199
out of touch with reality if you think anyone in

1005
01:02:44.239 --> 01:02:46.880
prison gives a shit whether you eat your meal or not.

1006
01:02:47.639 --> 01:02:52.800
Like total brat move and Lyle continues to cry to

1007
01:02:52.880 --> 01:02:56.400
this day. He's cried for decades that he fears that

1008
01:02:56.480 --> 01:02:59.639
he can't protect Eric Eric. I hate to sound like

1009
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:04.480
Ricky Bobby in Talladega Knights, but he's a grown man.

1010
01:03:04.599 --> 01:03:07.840
He has a beard, like it's a grown man guys

1011
01:03:08.599 --> 01:03:10.840
by now he's in his late forties. I mean, it

1012
01:03:10.920 --> 01:03:13.960
just seems a bit much. My brother, I can't protect him.

1013
01:03:15.119 --> 01:03:17.599
Eric was man enough to blow his father's head off,

1014
01:03:17.800 --> 01:03:19.639
and he was man enough to put a shotgun to

1015
01:03:19.679 --> 01:03:22.480
his mother's face and pull the trigger. I'm pretty sure

1016
01:03:22.480 --> 01:03:27.000
he's man enough for prison. And they have no remorse

1017
01:03:27.039 --> 01:03:29.760
for their mother. They never mention her. They only talk

1018
01:03:29.760 --> 01:03:33.400
about how happy they are to see each other in prison.

1019
01:03:34.199 --> 01:03:37.320
What about Kitty. I can't say this enough. There's zero

1020
01:03:37.400 --> 01:03:40.719
evidence that she did anything to these boys other than

1021
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:42.880
the son, and we shouldn't even say boys to these

1022
01:03:42.920 --> 01:03:45.960
men other than them claiming it. They also claimed the

1023
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.679
mob killed their parents, just like they claimed they went

1024
01:03:48.679 --> 01:03:50.840
to the movies when they didn't, just like they claimed

1025
01:03:50.840 --> 01:03:53.480
to be someone else when buying the firearms days prior

1026
01:03:53.519 --> 01:03:57.079
to their parents' murder. There's no evidence of Kitty being

1027
01:03:57.079 --> 01:04:01.079
a bad person. And how can people choose no evidence,

1028
01:04:01.440 --> 01:04:06.800
none over factual evidence just because a film was made

1029
01:04:07.079 --> 01:04:10.719
and it presents one sided info and every numb nut

1030
01:04:10.760 --> 01:04:14.480
on TikTok believes it doesn't erase the facts that are

1031
01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:18.559
being skipped over. They killed their mother because she would

1032
01:04:18.559 --> 01:04:21.159
have gotten into the way of the money period. They

1033
01:04:21.199 --> 01:04:24.599
put her down like a dog, and they even admitted it.

1034
01:04:24.960 --> 01:04:28.840
So I hope the same people who think that killing

1035
01:04:28.880 --> 01:04:31.760
this woman was justified. I hope you're not. Also the

1036
01:04:31.760 --> 01:04:35.039
same people sharing memes online saying adopt, don't shop, don't

1037
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:38.400
put down innocent dogs, because it's the same thing. It's

1038
01:04:38.440 --> 01:04:41.519
a human being this time, and when it comes to Jose,

1039
01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:45.559
I don't honestly know what I believe, Okay, but I'll

1040
01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:49.360
be damned if Kitty Menendez's death will be justified on

1041
01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:52.440
my watch. It wasn't. She was a woman who gave

1042
01:04:52.519 --> 01:04:57.000
up everything for her husband and her children, was cheated

1043
01:04:57.039 --> 01:05:02.960
on and betrayed, and then slaughter by her son's for money.

1044
01:05:03.880 --> 01:05:06.760
Kitty is the ultimate victim here. And something I'll leave

1045
01:05:06.800 --> 01:05:12.599
you with is this, neither Menindez brother was sorry when

1046
01:05:12.639 --> 01:05:18.559
they weren't caught lying. They were just fine with it

1047
01:05:18.760 --> 01:05:23.199
until they were caught. Now that this case is back

1048
01:05:23.239 --> 01:05:27.800
in the news again, there's some convenient fact forgetting. So

1049
01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:29.840
I just want to say this, when you are learning

1050
01:05:29.880 --> 01:05:34.760
about true crime, do more than watching TikTok, because when

1051
01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.400
you follow the masses, sometimes at ELM's silent