Home Invasion

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3:50 Now something else that is special to my heart. It's teenagers. And I have met many of them over the years of my career, and this case caught my attention because it involves a young girl at a certain point. And as I read this case, it reminded me actually of a teen that I taught years ago who was stuck in a very similar case, especially in motive and in situation. And so, I don't know, it just kind of grabbed me. And so I am going to do this one for you, and it's going to take place in drum roll, please, Florida. And I mean, we know that's where everything happens. If it didn't happen in Florida, it didn't happen. I'm convinced this is going to take place on a nice waterfront community. It's known as Lake Asbury, and it's close to Jacksonville for perspective of kind of where we're at as I take you on this journey. And this was the place that forty eight year old Jack and forty eight year old Linda Jones had settled in to make their home. They had gotten married, created a life together. They were both employed and they worked hard to afford the things that they wanted. Now, they weren't newlyweds by any imagination. Matter of fact, when this case took place, they had been married right on the cusp of thirty years. Thirty years, that's a milestone in my book, right. But they met way back in nineteen sixty four. And if you're older than me, you're kind of laughing right now, way back, but to me, that's way back. So they met twenty years before I was even born, and that was when Linda was

5:24 in high school. She was a junior, and she was smart. She was a blonde, she was popular, and every photo of her, she looks like that typical sixties woman that you are, young girl that you think of when you think of these older photos. She had that blonde hair with the you know, the poofy kind of hair that flipped out on the ends. She had her little bows or little satin bows in the top. She always looked dressed appropriately and she looked ladylike when you look at the photos now. She came from a very close family. She was raised near Jacksonville. Her family was very tight knit. They did cookouts and fish fries, and they nearly every weekend had an event together where they enjoyed each other's company and looked forward to spending time together. But it was while she was walking on her way to PE class one day her junior year. She was walking with her bestie. Her name was Janie. They had been besties since they were seven years old, so this was a tight friendship and they were on their way to PE class when a senior boy named Jack grabbed her attention. Jack was a handsome boy. He was her same age, but he was a year ahead of her in school, so he was a senior. And when I say that he was handsome, I'm serious. He was handsome. I'm not just saying that for the story. He had thick black hair. You know, Mama likes these nice teeth. I'm all about the teeth. He had nice teeth, strong brow, almond eyes, and he had that traditional

6:57 preppy sixties handsome vibe going on. And he was also a hero football player to boot, so he had a going on. She was a pretty girl and she laid eyes on him and she was immediately smitten, so smitten that she even turned to bestie Janie as they were walking and said, I'm gonna marry that boy. Now that's comical to me because when you're young, you think you're going to marry every boyfriend that you have, but she said it. And even Linda's mother really quickly took to Jack when she first met him. She said, well, I guess this is the boy you're gonna marry, because Linda was just smitten and all he did was driver her home. It was the very first time ever, and mom really liked him, and guess what, she was right. They both were right, because they were married just a short year and a half later. It seems like she just went to her senior year and then a little bit later. They got married right out of high school in nineteen sixty five, so they were two young teens just hoping to make it. By the way, Patreon members. I have photos of their wedding and kind of their younger so you can kind of get a grasp of what their life was like as the story unfold. So go there and make sure to check those photos out. Now. They settled in and bought a house just about a block from where Linda grew up, and they started building this really sweet life together. Jack was working at a car dealership and Linda had taken a job at an accounting firm. Jack loved his Linda, and all accounts he was a bit of a romantic too.

8:26 I mean, this guy really seemed to play the part, you know, of a young guy who loved his wife and was doing what he could to continue to a romancer. Even the friend said that every year on their anniversary he would buy or a bouquet of roses, but he would buy one more long stem rose and add it to the bauquet every year. And I think that's sweet. That's putting thought, right and effort into your relationship. So in just a few short years after they got married, they would both become the proud parents of two daughters, and they would name their girls Shame and Jill. Both of these girls were admitted daddy's girls. And they were that way because they could depend on their daddy. They loved him. He was there for them, he supported them, and they loved their mama too.

9:13 But man, there's nothing better than being a daddy's girl. And Jack was a man's man. When I tell you, I've got even more photos again, I'm gonna post on there for you on Patreon. He was a dude's dude. I mean when it came to construction. Matter of fact, he built their home with his own hands. That not their first home, but the home they would eventually move into as they got a little bit older. He built this home with his own two hands. It took him two years to do it. And there's photos, you know, and it's funny to see the eras changing, and the men in some of the photos have on their Pete Maravich, you know, the short shorts and the tall socks, and then before that, you know, it's like the just the era of the clothing changes throughout the story. So eventually j Jack was doing well.

10:00 He was promoted to manager at his car dealership, and Linda herself was punching through that glass ceiling, climbing that ladder of success. And she even would eventually become an associate at her CPA firm. They had the same goals and dreams. Of course, they had differences. We all do. No marriage is perfect, they argued, but when it was all said and done, they were a happy family and they were making the American dream come true. Now, let's talk about personality a little bit. Personality wise, Jack was more on the quiet side. Linda she was the butterflies. She liked to socialize and go out, and they kind of went together. And this literally sounds like my marriage. If y'all know us, personally, I am wild, I'm wide open, clearly, no filter. And then my sweetheart Blake is quiet, and if there's a room of a lot of people, he usually kind of disappears and you find him off in a random corner by himself.

10:56 And it's just bizarre that two opposites attract in that way. And I thought, all right, tell y'all this real quick, to show you how different we are. So when we first started, we weren't dating yet until this night, I guess. But we went out to a bar when I was younger, and I didn't want to go, and everyone kept blowing me up to go, come on, come on, come on. I was like, no, I don't want to go. I don't want to go. And he showed up and was like, come to the bar, Please come to the bar. And so when I opened the door to my house, I said, if I'm going, I'm going just like this, and I shit you not. I had on my your pajamas and I had on those fluffy, big eure slippers with a big ear head on the end of them. And he looked me up and down and he said, let's go, and I did. I went out clobbing in my pajamas so obnoxiously out of place that even the band that was playing said, shout out to the girl on the ere pajamas, and that was me. And I was excited, ended up getting shit faced drunk, had a great time. And that's kind of when we started dating. So now you know that fun little bit about me. He is quiet and I am out the box. That was this cup. So we're going to fast forward though now some years and we're gonna come up to nineteen ninety four, and by this time they're adults, you know, they're real adults, adult adults, you know, And Linda is working as an associate at the CPA firm, and they hire an eighteen year old girl named Carrie Davis, and she comes in to do some secretarial work for the CPA firm. And I looked up photos of her, which again I will post on Patreon two. And Carrie is a stunner. She

12:28 has long, thick, wavy black or dark brown hair, very narrow face, a thin frame, her brows are thick. It kind of is like a brookshield Zy type of thing going on. But she's dainty and she's girly, and she's just a just beautiful girl. Her home life, though, was an utter disaster. So her mother was an alcoholic, her father had mental health issues. And as she was spending time at work with Linda, Linda and Carrie really started to bond. They bonded very quickly. She saw Linda as almost like that cool aunt or that loving aunt type of figure, adoptive mom, I guess you could say. So life was good for Linda and Jack. They were preparing for their golden years to come. Their nest egg was being built. Both of their girls had already moved out. Their daughters had moved on at this point to go chase their own dreams. They were out in college and doing their thing, and so I guess in a way, we could call Linda and Jack empty nesters. Linda found out about that time that Carrie was being kicked out of her home by her parents that she didn't care for, and it was very stressful circumstances for the young girl.

13:48 She was seventeen, just freshly turning eighteen, and she was in a bind. She was on her own. Well, at their house, Linda and Jack had room, I mean, their kids were gone, there were these empty rooms. She loved Carrie. Jack liked Carrie hadn't met her yet, but once they met, they liked one another, and they invited her to move in to their home until she was able to get her life settled and kind of get on her own two feet. And if I'm being straightforward and honest, which is my goal always from what I understand, Linda and Jack's daughters kind of got upset about this. They specifically Jill, the daughter.

14:31 Jill, she did not like Carrie, but the way that things kind of were going, you could kind of brush this off as jealousy at worst case. Jill felt like Carrie had other motives and that she might be coming in to kind of take advantage of her parents. But whatever the feelings of her daughters, Carrie moved in and she lived with Linda and Jack. Things were going well. Carrie felt taken care of by the Joneses, and they just were kind of cruising on through life. Now. It was roughly eight thirty pm on November seventh, nineteen ninety five, when a nine to one one call came into the local nine one one center, and the call was made by Linda Jones, who had apparently just been through an extremely violent home invasion and her husband Jack was lying motionless on the floor. And to be completely transparent, I'm going to play the audio for you. I just want to let you know that we did have to do some editing of this audio because in the nine one one process, she got transferred a few times.

15:37 So you will hear a woman's voice and then you will hear a man's voice talking to Linda. But it is all the same call that's been edited. Just for time's sake, that's all this on my mind. Okay, what's a problem with me? What happened? Okay? We had people on the way, Okay, So as you can tell Linda is legit shook, I mean she is shook beyond belief, while her husband is laying there beaten, he's bloody, he's non responsive. So police officer Jaeger he arrived eight minutes later from the time that he was dispatched out. He got there very quickly, and when he pulled up, he found a barefoot and completely inconsolable Linda on the front porch of the home. So they obviously asked a couple of questions. While officers were coming in to kind of clear the home, she was able to describe the police that three men had come in, they were wearing masks, they were dressed in all black, and that they had pretty quickly disabled her once they made it into the home because they had duct tape

17:10 and they duct taped her up, like her wrists were duct taped together and her legs and she was unable to assist with anything. And then the men just beat the ever living shit out of Jack, I mean ruthlessly beat him. They had clubs, they had a bat, she said, they stole his gun and just mercilessly beat him to death. So when they finally left and Jack wasn't moving, she was unable to actually get away at first because she had the duct tape, so she had to wriggle herself out of the duct tape, which took her some while some time, and then once she was able to work herself free, that's whenever she ran and she got the phone and she placed the call to nine one one, So police put her in an ambulance and she was taken on to the hospital. She kind of collapsed in the ambulance once she was driven away, just really overcome and shook and shock of what she had witnessed. Now inside the home, the police did not find the assailants, they were long gone. They only found that lifeless body of Jack Jones. He was also clearly at that point beyond saving.

18:15 He was dead. And this crime was incredibly brutal. Jack, like I said, had been beaten to death. I mean, I've been hit before and it freaking hurts, you know, it hurts to get punched, to be beaten with a bat. I how that must feel, I don't know. But then to beat someone to death. It wasn't like he was shot and he you know, in the head and was instantly you know killed. He wasn't stabbed where it cut a massive artery and all of his blood bled out and he was down within you know seconds. You know, this was a very He was aware and he took this beating until he took his last breath. There were a massive amount of blows to his body, and it seemed that he was completely unable to even defend himself because he was duct taped, just like his wife. His wrists were duct tape. There was duct tape above his head, he had it around his feet. There was blood literally head to toe on this man. I do have crime scene photos for you on Patreon. They are graphic. Obviously by what I'm telling you, you would know that, but just be aware if you're not interested in looking at that. And Jack, y'all, he wasn't a small man by any means. You can tell just by looking at him in the photos.

19:34 He is in his late forties, but he still took care of himself. He had broad shoulders, his hair was always nicely trimmed. He was known to carry he carried a weapon with him, and his daughter in Questionings said, well, yeah, daddy carried a gun and he had it with him always whenever he would come into the house. Though it was kind of his thing that he would set down his things and then he would take his weapon off his hip. He would set it on the island in the kitchen. But there was no weapon in the kitchen and Jack lay dead on the floor. So Jack's body was removed and it was sent to the medical Examiner's office for autopsy. The examiner found that Jack suffered five to six severe blows not only to the head, but also to the eyes, to that front, those bones, and that Oh man, you ever been hitting the nose?

20:26 Damn, My kids sometimes accidentally when they get wild with their hands, pop me in the nose and I get so freaking mad because that hurts. And this is a baseball bat to the face. The medical examiner also believed that he had been struck with something like a gun, something hard, or something along those same lines. He also had eight severe blows to the back, along with tons of damage to his arms, his legs. He had internal injuries to his organs his trunk. Was believed that he was beaten with something that was believed to be a cylindrical type instrument throughout the trunk of his bodies and the injuries he sustained to his arms and his legs and his back were all done while he was conscious, and the medical examiner confirmed this. This was a very vicious and brutal beating. But the medical examiners did say that the blows to the head were so traumatic that they could have rendered him unconscious when they were applied, and again there were multiple ones of them. So the doctor also made a very clear note that none of the blows were completed after death or post mortem. He was literally beaten until he died, and then it looked like the killers had left. So the lead detective, his name was Thomas Waugh, and it's Waugh wah. He noted as he walked through the crime scene that there was no forced entry to the home. And

21:57 I do have a photo of the front door of the home and it's not broken open, there's no crowbar, doesn't look like windows or broken or anything of that nature. And so this would obviously tell the average person that it had to have either been unlocked or opened by someone for these intruders to be able to come into the home. And it was very clear that there had been a struggle in the foyer area, like it started in the foyer area and then it moved down a hallway and then it kind of turned into a living room. So as the detective is walking through, he found pieces of duct tape throughout the house. He found pieces on the floor in one of the bedrooms. He also found a ball of duct tape rolled up on the floor of the master bedroom. And while they were finding these pieces of tape, they quickly ruled burglary out as a motive. And they did this because although drawers were opened and things were kind of looked through, there was a purse on the ground, there was jewelry on the tabletops and the nightstands.

23:03 The master closet was open, and there was again more things of value in there that would have easily been taken. Jack's wallet, it's had one hundred dollars in it was still on him. And something else they noticed was that the phone lines had not been tampered with, and all of the phones were also still on the hook. So you know, if you're gonna steal, you're gonna take quick, easy access to things. In another photo or two that I have on there, they're kind of zoomed in, but it's of their their furniture in their bedroom, and there's coins and while watches and things that are just quick grabs for anybody that would be, you know, looking for something to take to sell. So analysts his name, an analyst named Steve Leary was on call and so he would be the person that would come to process the crime scene. And while he was walking through the home, it was very, very obvious that this had been a very brutal fight.

24:03 You can see blood spattered on the hallway walls, You can see it down the hallway. It was also in the den area. It was on the carpet and all around where Jack's body was found. So a great deal of attention was placed on these two pieces of tape that were found next to Jack Jones's body. Obviously, whoever was taping him up had to tear the tape. It wasn't like they came pre torn, so someone involved in this had to be holding that tape and tearing it, which is a great place for DNA to be left, assuming that they weren't wearing any gloves or something that would you know, prohibit the prints or DNA from being passed on to the tape. So two more than two, but there were two main pieces of tape that were sent to the crime lab, and they wanted to process those for latent prints or prints that couldn't be seen by the naked eye. And we all know this, y'all. Y'all, it's not like the movies and it isn't instantaneous, and so so they send it in and then they wait for the results to return, which is gonna take some time. So all detectives really would be able to do was wait for those results. I mean, it's not quick. So fingerprint specialist don Walters was her name. She was the person that was assigned to process the tape, and wouldn't you know, she did find a latent palm print on the tape. And this was a huge win, I mean an absolutely huge win in terms of evidence.

25:27 But after comparing the prints to known people in the home or people that you know likely could have been contributors, I guess of fingerprints in that moment, it didn't match anyone. It didn't match Linda, it didn't match Jack, it didn't match anyone in the home, the daughters, it didn't match Carrie, it didn't match anyone. So these prints had to be that of the killers. And the way that it was torn, the print was put there during the commission of the crime, and it wasn't previously there in the glue. But for now the idea of these prints was completely unknown, and what an herb that would irk me so bad to have to wait. I'm telling you, I want instant results, but it is what it is. On the second piece of duct tape that she processed, she was able to identify two fingerprints and a palm print, So this is like a gold mine as far as printing was concerned. Again, they compared these two people known contributors in the household. It didn't match anyone that they compared it to. It was a great start, but finding the owner of the princes at this point was kind of like finding a needle in a haystack when you really have no suspects to you know, compare them to. So back at the crime scene, Steve Leary also used luminol in the house, which has now become kind of a common phrase that everyone knows. That's the spray on TV that you spray it and it glows whenever it hits blood and you turn off the lights and it glows. Well, when it was sprayed in the home, they

26:59 did find more blood revealed than they originally saw, and that included that there was blood on a washcloth that was found in the master bathroom, and if you look in the photographs I have, you can see it balled up in the master bathroom sink. Other places revealed blood as well, and they also showed some patterning in the in the blood. It was in the foyer on the floor, and it also was in the carpet. But what stood out to investigators was that it seemed to have a repetitive pattern in the splotches. I guess if that's the word that they were seeing as they looked at the blood in this luminescent glow. And so what they believed was this pattern was made from the heel of a shoe and they could tell that the shoe went up and down the hallway what they estimated to be ten or fifteen times.

27:56 Additionally, in the den where Jack's body was found laying, there was a crowbar shaped pattern on the ground and it lit up like a Christmas tree. It was about twenty seven inches long and it had a curve at the end of it which is about five inches wide. And they found a pattern with that as well, and it was very similar to the one by the body, but also one found in the foyer area. So what the investigators believed they were seeing was that someone had something like a crowbar that they used it, set it down, and then picked it back up, went into the den area, used it again, set it down. Moving into the garage, they also found that there was a Teal Buick parked in the garage.

28:41 They sprayed the car and they found a positive reaction in the driver's seat as well as the back of the passenger seat. Now, I'm going to say this now because I'm gonna forget, but that really didn't come into play in this case. I will tell you this. There are other things that react to luminol other than blood, and that could have been the case there. But I just want to let you know whose someone's going to say, well, wait, what happened to the blood in the car? Nothing else really came of the blood quote unquote that they found in the car. So analyst Leary was able to determine after the examination also that all of the pieces of duct tape that were found in the home at the crime scene originated from this same role of duct tape. So this means that the killers brought the role with them, or they took the role from the home and used it while there. And included in this matching this I think they call that a fracture match if I remember properly. But included in this matching was a rolled up ball of duct tape that they found in the garage and it was stuffed inside of a cinder block in the wall. So interesting, right that this tape seemed to be all over the house. They also found one tiny little piece of tape. It looks to be about I don't know two inches long, very wide, and it was stuck on the door the front door, kind of like on the lock area where the male part goes into the female part, on the lock of the door. As detectives looked through the house,

30:12 they didn't find anything diabolical in the home that stood out to them, like drugs or criminal activity in the daily life of the Joneses. So they were trying to figure out who are Linda and Jack because profiling your victims is so important. Matter of fact, I'm the Meniwenie have Reddit, if you remember, and they talk all about how hateful I am that I say profiling is necessary. Well, profiling is necessary in every aspect of life, including your victims. You got to get a profile of them to see what you're dealing with. What type of lives did they live? Are there possible risk factors that have to be assessed to determine a starting point for suspects. But y'all, all police really found was that they were just like you and me. They were everyday people. They were kind, they opened their doors to carry to live with them. They had jobs, they were employed, and they were kind of living there. But something we all know as true crime fans is that usually they start investigators start with the people that are closest to the victim. That's normal. Linda, who was the spouse, couldn't have been the assailant. She may have been there during the commission of the crime, obviously, but she was also duct taped at her wrists and she was barely able to call nine one one, so they ruled her out as the perpetrator that killed Jack. So detectives kind of quickly realize we're gonna have to depend on forensic evidence to get any solid leads on Jack's murder, and whoever did this was out for blood. They got it too. Unlucky for them, though, was that they were far from leaving this perfect crime scene that I

31:45 think they thought they left, and police had prints, But now it was just going to take time and I guess what I'll refer to as some old fashioned gut instincts and police work to solve the case. Because every crime has motive. It is not by chance that three masked men break into your home, beat your husband to death, and tape you up. And it's interesting to me as I was going through this case, it was interesting to me that Linda wasn't killed herself, and she wasn't really hurt much either. That doesn't mean anything in and of itself. It just was kind of a glaring thing to me that why would you kill him but leave a witness. But if this was a hit of some sort, well maybe these three men came in, took out their target, and then they left. Also, all of the men were wearing masks, so they weren't worried that she saw their faces or anything like that, and she wasn't necessarily a target if she couldn't identify the attackers. Now, if I was a bad guy and I'm gonna go ahead and kill him, I don't see what would be the difference in killing her. But you know, it is what it is. But you have to find a motive, and asking family and friends about possible enemies is a really good place to start. But detectives weren't coming up with anything when they were asking these friends and families. But something that Detective Wall would find out though, would come from a neighbor. And his name was Ernie.

33:17 I think you say it zweeful or zweifle. I don't know why everything when I'm telling podcasts has weird or hard spellings and sayings, but his name's Ernie. And he saw a vehicle outside of the Joneses home, and it was leaving just about the time that Linda's nine to one one call came into the nine one one center. So Ernie lived about two houses down and across the street from the Joneses, so he had a pretty good vantage point of seeing this vehicle pass by. And he said it was a maroon ninety four or ninety five Nissan Van now right now off the top. I know you're like, how the hell would he know what the year was and the make and the model of this car. Well, call it coincidence, call it divine intervention. I don't know what you want to call it, but it just turns out that Ernie was shopping for a van himself, and that's why he was able to identify it so easily. What a coinky dink? Now, They asked him, Okay, tell us exactly what you saw. He says, Look, I saw the Nissan van. It looked to be maroon.

34:22 It left at a high rate of speed. The lights were off and the windows were tinted. I could not really see inside, but I will tell you that they had some get up in their get along as they were tearing down the street. So when police spoke more to Linda when they got a chance, her account of things were that she and Jack were watching TV when they heard a noise which seemed to come from the front door, and so Jack either got up to go check on the noise or was kind of move in that direction, and that's when the three men kind of showed up in the home and immediately started beating him and taping her up. They separated her, and she said, I really didn't see anything that was going on because they immediately you know, subdued me, taped me up. All I could do was hear like jack fight or trying to fight, and that's when you know it was over almost as quickly as it started. They left. I wriggled out of the tape and that's when I called nine to one one and again it lined up. It was about eight thirty when that call came in, which is about the same time that the neighbor saw the maroon Nissan van speeding away. So low on leads and basic information to go off of, the detective Waugh decided to run a report of all the maroon Nissan vans in the area. Can you imagine the list that they would have gotten, But he did it, and then he meticulously started going through the list. And once that report was compiled and it was narrowed down and he was sifting through

35:54 the names, it came to his attention that one of the names on the list was actually a client at the CPA firm where Linda worked. And this client's name was Donald Bradley, and Donald Bradley owned a landscaping business and he did his accounting work with Linda's CPA office. So when detectives went and paid him a visit, he did indeed have a maroon van just like the neighbor had described, but there was nothing really there to indicate a crime had been committed. It really kind of was a dead end in that moment. And I know right now people are going, wait, what he worked He was working with the CPA firm and he had him How could that be that?

36:44 That's huge, It's a great coincidence. It's just a problem though when it comes to like probable cause, you've got to have a little bit more established to go further. And there's no warrant that would be cut to do any further searching on that, just because they knew one another and they he drove a van similar to what a neighbor saw. I mean, it sounds suspicion to the average Joe, but y'all, there's checks and balances to protect freedoms, so you're allowed to interact with people, and you're also allowed to have a van that looks like a van used in a murder. And I know that sounds crazy, but that's just the way that it works. So police were kind of stuck in that moment, but as is often the case, and I love this and I've learned this. This is why I am calming down slightly. In my life. Time is so important and it's all that is usually needed before a huge break in a case will come. And by chance, a few months later after they went and talked to him and they didn't really have much going on, Donald Bradley was involved in a car accident.

37:52 So how would a random car accident blow this case wide open? Well, I'll tell you called excellent policing, and there's no other word for it. See, when the car accident occurred, Detective Waw became aware of it, and he had already checked Donald's fingerprints against those duct tate prints found at the crime scene. And I'll tell you now they were not a match, okay, But the accident that occurred, it was actually a road rage incident. So it goes to show you the kind of the temperament of this guy. But on a hunch, just a hunch, Detective Waw ran the fingerprints of the passenger in Donald's car at the time of that road rage incident, and lo and behold, do you know that birds of a feather usually flock together? Because the guy in the car with Donald was his employee. The passenger's name was Brad mcwhite. He was young, he was twenty one years old. But I mean, you never know. And guess what just on that hunch when they ran those fingerprints, they came back as a positive match to the prince on the duct tape at the crime scene. Bingo, bitch,

39:23 bingo, explain it to me. There is no other word for this except excellent policing and paying attention to what's going on under your watch. So now it was time to play ball. But when Brian mcwhite was brought in for basic questioning, I know this will shock you. He refused to cooperate. He didn't want to talk. Well, you know how pesky little siblings get on your nerves when you're young. You know, they always I was the younger sibling, so my sister always wanted me to go away. Now I'm just fabulous, I'm just kidding, but she likes hanging out with me as an adult. She always wanted me to go away when we were younger. Well, this time that little pesky younger sibling issue that people have, This is gonna be one for the books. See, Brian had a younger brother. His name was Patrick, and Patrick was eighteen. Patrick would be with Brian's father when he showed up at the precinct concerning his son's arrest because of the fingerprint match, and that's when Patrick got nervous and word vomited.

40:34 Exactly what happened on the night of Jack Jones's murder right then and right there. But why would the younger brother know anything about this? You're gonna have to stay tuned, But do not get mad at me right now. Stop it, you stop it right now. Do not get mad at me, because guess what, I'm gonna do a part two, but it's gonna drop this Friday. You're getting another episode the same week. You just got to wait a day, okay, so or two, but it's gonna drop, so don't get mad at me. It's coming this week. You do not have to wait long. Patreon members, you're gonna also have a bonus episode that's gonna drop on Thursday this week as well, so you're gonna have a bunch of kJ to listen to. And I'm gonna tell you what this case is. It gets even way more interesting. And I'm gonna tell you this too. If loose Lips sink ships, then I'm just gonna have to assume that Patrick's middle name was Titanic