Dec. 4, 2024

Horrific Abduction: The Lies of Susan Smith

Horrific Abduction: The Lies of Susan Smith

In this episode of 'Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings”,  Kelly delves into the crimes of Susan Smith, a name forever associated with deep betrayal and tragedy. Kelly traces Susan's early life marked by familial strife and personal...

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Season 6

In this episode of 'Unspeakable: A True Crime Podcast by Kelly Jennings”, Kelly delves into the crimes of Susan Smith, a name forever associated with deep betrayal and tragedy. Kelly traces Susan's early life marked by familial strife and personal trauma that ultimately culminated in her unimaginable decisions. KJ recounts the escalating emotional turmoil in her marriage to David, leading to a catastrophic incident in October 1994, where her fabricated tale of abduction unraveled in unspeakable fashion.

Timestamps
04:52 The Unraveling of Susan's Life
10:45 The Birth of Michael and Alex
16:09 The Breakup with Tom
18:48 The Day of the Incident
35:55 Polygraph Tests and Growing Suspicion
49:04 The Growing Public Doubt
1:01:35 The Shocking Confession
1:06:54 The Aftermath and Arrest
1:11:07 Parole Hearing and Public Reaction

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable.

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Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all,

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it's kJ You're back for another episode of Unspeakable. How

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is your Thanksgiving? I hope it was wonderful. Mine was

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fan frea fantastic. I had a great time. I got

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so many lovely messages from people just wishing me, you know,

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a happy holiday, and so I hope I was able

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to answer every single one of you because I was

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just so tickled.

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It means so much.

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And my family and I even went down to Grand

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Isle after we ate our Thanksgiving grub and we went

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crabbing and all that to put some pictures on Patreon

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if you want to check that out. But just a

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good time, and then I've been working my butt off

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on this episode that I'm about to start right now,

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because this is one that is all up in the

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news again. And so I said, hey, I got to

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give the people what they want, and so I pushed

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aside another episode I was going to do so I

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could nail this one for you. So get ready, because

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Susan Smith is a name that was in every single

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household in the early nineties, specifically nineteen ninety four.

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You couldn't get away from her. It was everywhere.

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So let's back up if you don't know all the

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details of this case, and let's just start with when

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Susan was born. Okay, So she was born in September

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of nineteen seventy one, and she's from the South South Carolina,

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born as the youngest of three children to her parents,

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Linda and Harry Vaughan.

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Now.

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Her dad worked in a textile mill and her mom,

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I believe was a homemaker. I wasn't one hundred percent

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sure on that one, and didn't find a bunch of

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like real definitive stuff on there. And from the start,

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it was pretty obvious that this was just not a

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happy marriage. They were it was not going well. Literally

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from from the I do. It was kind of like

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the should I, you know, should I have done this?

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But Susan was super close with her dad and she

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was really young, only about six years old, when she

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was hit with the fact, look, we're divorcing and we're

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not going to be together anymore. And this brought, you know,

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about a major change in her life. But nothing would

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hurt as much as when her dad, just a few

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months later decided to commit suicide.

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This was huge to her.

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This was a big blow to her life, and he

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shot himself in the chest and Susan and wasn't really

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involved in any discussion or any understanding of the situation.

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And I got the feeling that her family just kind

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of thought, Oh, she's a kid, so we don't have

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to really explain much to her, And that seemed to

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have a profound effect on her that it wasn't She

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didn't get to work through those feelings with her family.

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She was just basically told, Hey, my parents are divorcing,

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and then shortly thereafter, your dad's dead.

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Sorry. So after his suicide, she was left with.

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What seems to be a lack of a coping mechanism,

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and no one really helped her to cope with the situation,

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and so Susan really seemed to maladapt to the thought

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of death in general. It seemed like she almost became

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obsessed with suicide to some extent, and so much so

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that she would even try it herself on multiple occasions,

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unsuccessfully obviously, but the first time would have been when

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she was thirteen, when she oded on aspirin. So as

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if she wasn't struggling enough, Depression was an ever present

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theme in her life, and the more stress that was added,

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it seemed, the more depressed that she would get. And

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then to add to that stress and that maladaptive response

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to her parents or her father's suicide was that her

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mother seemed to rather quickly move on and get remarried

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to another man. So her mother named Beverly Rossel I

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believe is how you would pronounce that. In nineteen seventy nine,

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and from the get go, Susan did not have a

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good relationship with her stepfather, which made complete sense when

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you fast forward it a few years when it was

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realized that he was actually molesting her. So this was

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about when she was fifteen. So when we say they

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didn't have a good relationship, they had a relationship. It

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just wasn't one that necessarily she wanted to be in

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with him. Now, this wasn't just a claim either, and

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I want to be very clear about that. Court records,

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like the actual court records, state that her stepdad admitted

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to kissing her and fondling her breasts. So this was

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a legitimate situation that was going on. This was not

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like a cry for help or a false accusation because

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she didn't like her stepdad.

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It was legitimate.

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But incredibly, her mother did not press charges. And that

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seems to be something no matter what happens when I'm

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looking at cases, a lot of local cases and on

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all over, is that women who almost like depend on

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these men in these relationships don't press charges. And I

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just cannot get behind that. I just don't understand it.

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But she did separate from him, I'll give her that,

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but she did never actually press charges. Now why it

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went to court, I'm not really diving into here, but

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I know that she didn't seem to like be like

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gung ho about pressing charges against him. Three years later,

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at the age of eighteen, Susan attempted suicide again. Now

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this time it wasn't just you know aspirin. This time

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she took a combination of aspirin and annison, and so

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these drugs and this combo, this was a much stronger

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attempt than her younger age attempt. And this ended her

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in the hospital at Spartanburg Regional Hospital for an entire week.

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So if you're down for a week, you had some

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problems to be staying in the hospital. So she clearly

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had poor coping skills combined with this severe emotional instability,

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and this feature in her life didn't change much as

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she grew into her adulthood. So about a year after

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Susan's second failed suicide attempt, she was working at a

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wind Dixie.

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Now she had worked there for a couple of years.

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I think it was like two years she had already

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worked there when she met twenty year old David Smith.

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And David knew who Susan was when he first started

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working there, and he honestly thought she was pretty. He

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thought that she was interesting and she was pretty, and

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he was also shocked that he found that she was

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messing around with this guy that was working at the

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wind Dixie and his words were or that he thought

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he was dorky. He thought that he was like below

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her league and why are you messed around with this

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dorky dude.

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And matter of.

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Fact, David himself, even though he admits that he was

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attracted to Susan, he was actually engaged to someone else,

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but that attraction to Susan was just super strong, and

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so if being honest, okay, and I want to tell

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you every bit of my research. Susan, according to David,

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was often referred to as basically a slut at her

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job by everyone, and that really upset David because he

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thought she was nice and he thought that she was

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a good person and felt like people were just kind

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of being mean to her. Well, eventually their relationship turned

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into more and they began messing around together themselves. So

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in all honesty, you know, David would say that he

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was just trying to have fun with Susan. They both

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really enjoyed their sex life, and he was enjoying it

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so much so he even broke off his engagement wow

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with a gentleman there. But he broke off his engagement

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met with the other woman, and he and Susan continued

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their rendezvous even after the breakup of his engagement, and

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so they casually dated only briefly. Okay, so they were

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having sex, but it wasn't like this devoted relationship necessarily.

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He thought it was very casual. Susan seemed to be

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pretty casual with people, and so that would spawn the

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rest of this story because she would accidentally become pregnant.

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It was not a planned pregnancy, and so obviously this

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was not an ideal situation. But the two of them

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decided they wanted to make an honest go of this,

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and so they really worked on this relationship. She was

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only two months pregnant though. When I say really worked,

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you know, for a couple of weeks, but they she

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was two months pregnant whenever they made the leap, and

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they got married in March of nineteen ninety one. Initially,

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the two of them would move into David's great grandmother's

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house and live there. David's own parents were struggling with

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the recent loss of an other son.

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Who had just died of Crohn's disease, which was.

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Just another stresser on David's life as well, and his

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father was so overwhelmed by the loss of his brother

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that even David's father attempted suicide. Susan seemed to understand

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this struggle, and the two of them, David and Susan

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really leaned on each other really hard emotionally in the early,

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you know, just very early parts of their marriage. And

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you know, relationships are hard, especially when you're young. And

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they're just twenty years old and they're getting married due

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to pregnancy, not because they wanted to necessarily, and it

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just didn't seem like they were starting on the best

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foot forward, but it was what it.

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Was, and they were going to do what they they could.

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So Michael Daniel was born first, and then two years

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later they had another baby, Alexander Tyler would be born

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into the world.

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And I have got to.

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Tell you you've probably seen of these kids by now,

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but such precious little fellas the epitome of a precious

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baby boy times two absolutely beautiful babies. Michael had this

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little bowl cut, his little dark brown hair, he had

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big brown eyes, and he was just three years old.

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Whenever this case takes place, happy, happy little boy. He

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was in love with his little brother or his Broda

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b r u dduh, his broda as he would refer

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to him, and that was his baby brother, Alex.

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He adored him.

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Alex looks just like his older brother Michael, except his

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hair was much lighter. But they really do look like

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a little copy and paste of each other, just at

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different ages. Alex is only fourteen months old, so his

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hair was still short, like that little baby cut. But

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he's got those big brown eyes that were a standard

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in both of the boys, and their parents were lucky

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because both of their kids were These kids would draw attention.

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They're so cute, okay, and you know, I'm gonna put

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pictures on patreons. He can go look at them. But

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the family settled into South Carolina life. But the marriage,

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as I've already mentioned, was not built on a solid foundation,

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and this would just be very obvious very shortly into

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their marriage, kind of mimicking her parents' marriage. Money problems

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were there from the start, with Susan asking her mother

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for money, which when David would find out, he really

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resented the fact that she would do that because he

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wanted to be the household leader and this is my household.

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Why are you asking your mom for money? Well, the

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answer was because Susan really liked material things and she

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liked shopping, while David was more in tune with providing

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the necessities for the family.

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The relationship was a rocky one at best.

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With Susan and David playing games on each other and

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kind of stepping out on one another cheating back and

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forth throughout the marriage. So this would lead to frequent

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separations and then making up, and then getting back together

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and then breaking up. So they even separated when she

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was pregnant with Alex, but they reunited for the sake

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of the baby, and Susan's mother at that time loaned

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them enough money to put a down payment on a

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home of their own so they wouldn't still be living

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in the grandmother's house. So they all hoped that together

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all of this would help the situation and they could

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you know, live their life on their own and be

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the actual quote unquote adults in their lives instead of

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leaning on everybody else. But this was really short lived.

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So just three weeks after Alex was born, David ended

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up moving out of the house and they separated for

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what seemed like would be for good. So, I mean,

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this was just a shit show from the start. Well,

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during that separation, Susan wanted to work somewhere different than

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her estranged husband because they both worked together at the

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wynd Dixie, And so she went and took a job

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at Console Products, which was a large, wealthy business. This

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was not like some family owned small, little mind pop shop.

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It was big.

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And so she did a good job, and she was

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eventually promoted to the executive secretary of the CEO, like

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the top dog. And so that would introduce her to

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the CEO's son. And the CEO's son's name was Tom Findley,

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and he seemed to be absolutely everything that Susan's husband

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was not in her eyes. Okay, she just found him

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absolutely irresistible. She thought that he was the catch of

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her life, that she could never top him. Not to

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mention it didn't hurt that he was rich, or at

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least it's done. He was right, But it's in the family.

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He's rich, you know, he's got this big company's and

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he's you know, affluent, and he's got access to money

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and trips and all the grander things in life. So

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they began a whirlwind romance. But Susan, from what I gather,

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was way more into him than he was in to her,

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which would set off a chain of events that would

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leave everyone in this nation shocked.

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When it all came to be.

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Susan believed that she and Tom were meant to be

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and that this relationship was one of a lifetime and

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that they were going to last forever. But this dream

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that she had built up in her mind would soon

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be dashed whenever Tom wrote her a letter, and this

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was in October of nineteen ninety four, and basically he

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broke up with her, but with reasons.

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He didn't do the.

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Whole it's not you, it's me bullshit. Nope, Tom, he

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was pretty pretty direct with her. So the letter starts

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and I'm reading directly from the letter, but you know,

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you will, without a doubt make some lucky man a

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great wife, but unfortunately it won't be me, like.

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Uh, you know, dagger to the heart.

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And his whole argument became, he just felt like they

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were too different, they came from too different of backgro

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that they weren't going to have long term things in common.

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Maybe they weren't gonna have long term goals.

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But his biggest hang up with her was that he

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wasn't thrilled with her behavior around other men, and this

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was in reference to her messing with a married man

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in a hot tub, which, mind you, she was still

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married messing around with him, but whatever double standards, I guess,

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but he didn't like the way that she acted in

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a hot tub with a married man. Now I didn't

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list out exactly what was going on, but from what

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I gathered, the two of them ended up naked, meaning

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Susan and this married man, and there was a whole

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bunch of rubbing and touching in whatever going on in

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that hot tub, and you know, Tom didn't like that. Lastly,

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and likely most eye opening to her was that he

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also made it very clear he didn't want someone else's children.

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He wanted to make his own family, and he didn't

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want this prebade family with Susan.

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Those were someone else's children.

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So basically what he was saying was you're fun to

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be around, and I like having sex with you, but

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you're not the lady that I want to marry and

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be with for the rest of my life. And in

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a shocking revelation and basically a desperate attempt to gain

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sympathy and or I would argue anger from Tom, Susan

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looks at him, I say, looks at him, but comes

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back at him and says, well, you know, I guess

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I knew this wasn't gonna work out, but sorry, I'm

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still having sex with my stepdad.

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So I don't know what.

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Exactually exactly she thought she was going to gain by

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coming at him from that direction. I think maybe the

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sympathy card that she was an abused woman and that

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he could come in and rescue her, but then she

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couldn't leave well enough alone. She also tells him, Oh,

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and guess what, I've also been screwing your dad. Ho

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lye shit batman, damn Okay. So I'm not sure whether

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she wanted sympathy or anger. I'm sure she got a

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combination of both. But then you're gonna say you're sleeping

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with his dad. Well, that didn't go over too well,

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as you can imagine, and Tom basically just threw his

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hands up at the whole damn show, shit show and

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was like, I'm done. I'm done.

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I'm not even gonna deal with this now.

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Whether she was actually messing with Tom's father, I'm not

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really sure of. But multiple reports did say that she

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was in fact still sleeping with her stepdad. So there's

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a lot going on here, a whole lot going on here.

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But on October twenty fifth, Susan's baby boys were at

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daycare when she went to go pick them up. This

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was kind of the standard thing. The kids went to

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daycare and then she would go and pick them up.

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But she was just still beside herself, knowing that she

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was losing Tom, and she really couldn't let it go.

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It was just not something that she was gonna let

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go easily either. So she did call him at work

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a few times, but their conversations.

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Were pointless, very flat. He didn't really have much to

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say to her.

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Tom was not budging at all, and he didn't want

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to continue the relationship with her.

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No matter what she said, it wasn't budging him. He

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was done.

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So Susan eventually took the boys to a friend of

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hers who agreed to watch them, and then she showed

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up at Tom's work because she wanted to talk to

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him in person. But he didn't greet her with the

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open arms that she was hoping for in this romance

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and that she thought was gonna be able.

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To be continued.

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And she tried telling him, look, I lied, I didn't

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sleep with your dad. I was just angry, and no

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matter what she said at this point, Tom was just

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aggravated and very direct that you need to leave, and

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you need to leave now. This is ridiculous. It's over

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and there is no makeup between us. I don't want

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to be with you, I don't want to have someone

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other man's children, and you need to just be gone,

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go find somebody else.

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Left.

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She didn't want to, but she left, and she returned

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to pick up her boys from that friend, and then

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she decided to go home. So once she got home,

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she had plans in her own mind really that she

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was going to bring her boys to her mother's house

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so that she could watch them for that evening. So

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she packed them a bag and then she went to

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go bring her kids to her mom. But there was

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a miscommunication at some point there because when she got there,

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or when she went to go bring the boys to

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her mom, her mom was like, I can't watch them.

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I'm heading to a tee ball game, and this is

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a tee ball game for another one of her other grandsons.

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So she's like, I'm sorry, I can't watch the boys.

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I've got this prior engagement. So Susan decided to take

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the boys for a drive and just go driving through

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the countryside while she really mulled over and contemplated everything

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that was just going wrong with her life. Now she's young, right,

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she's just twenty three years old. She's in a miserable

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relationship or a miserable marriage, while in love with a

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man who now no longer wanted her. Three year old

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Michael and fourteen month old Alex were strapped into their

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car seats and they're just in the back, riding along

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with mama. They were looking out the window, none the

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wiser that their mom was desperately frustrated and very unhappy.

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All they knew was that they were riding with their mommy,

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and they loved their mommy, and she loved them, and

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they were just gonna go hang out and drive around

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the countryside. So it was about nine pm that night,

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so some hours had gone by when Rick and Shirley

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McLeod were enjoying their evening at home and they heard

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someone screaming and crying and banging.

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On their door on their porch.

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So alarmed, Shirley opened the door and there she found

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a young woman sobbing and yelling, Oh my God, please

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help me. You've got to help me. She was out

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of breath and she was yelling, and she was screaming

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something about someone stole her car and her kids were inside.

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She needed help, So Shirley asked her, you know who

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and what happened and where and what and explain what

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do you mean what happened?

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Where were you?

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And that's when Susan said, a black man, a black man.

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He carjacked me and he took my babies. He's got

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my car and my babies are inside of the car.

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Please help me. Oh my god, you've got to help me.

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So horrified at the thought of children being just ripped

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from the safety of their mother all, you know, just

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all stopped at a stop sign basically, and their car

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being stolen with the babies inside, it was just beyond her.

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She freaked out and so she ran to her phone,

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she grabbed it. She immediately called police, and she's just praying,

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oh my God, please protect these children, Please let them

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be found safe. And she didn't know these children at all, actually,

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but Shirley certainly understood the gravity of the situation and

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she wanted to help in any way that she could.

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So when the police arrived, as you can imagine, they

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had some very specific and very direct questions for Susan

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about what happened so that they could kind of get

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their plan together of how to find the boys. And

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Susan is just sobbing as she recounted the moment that

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her kids were kidnapped and taken from her. She said

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that she had stopped at a red light, and this

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was at the Monarch Mills light where a black mail

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approached the car and he put a gun to her head.

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So she said that he had jumped into the car

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and told her to drive. So he jumped in the

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passenger seat, put the gun to her and said drive.

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So she drove a little bit, but then he made

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her stop the car and he made her get out.

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He demanded get out of the car, so she gets out,

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and before she can open the back door, he took

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off with her kids still inside. And her boys were

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crying and screaming for her, and she could hear the

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screams as the car tore away from her, and there

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was nothing she could do. Her babies were gone, and

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she was just inconsolable at the loss of her children

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and the stranger. And why would this man take my kids?

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I was willing to give him the car. Why do

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you have to take my kids? So by midnight. It

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was suggested by the police that Susan and her family,

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who by now all these people had shown up at

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the McLeod's house, you know, maybe we need to relocate

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y'all to your own residence or somewhere else and let

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these people, you know, have their home back. And so

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Susan said, look, let's just go to my mom's house,

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and everyone agreed. Sure, we'll go to your mom's house

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and we'll reconvene there. Now, the police were still in

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the early, very early points of this investigative investigative process,

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and so they needed to collect their thoughts, really derive

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a plan, figure out their perimeter check and all all

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of that. So the police immediately did set out, okay

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and start looking for the vehicle and the man that

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had taken it. A bolo a be on the lookout

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that was issued for her nineteen ninety Mazda. It was

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a reddish color of Mazda, and the police spread out

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in all directions, all hands on debck on deck to

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try and intercept this and hopefully the boys before they

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could be injured or you know, tossed out of the car.

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So it didn't take long at all before Michael and

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Alex's photos were up on the local news everywhere, I

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mean anywhere and everywhere. People really wanted to find these

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babies and the story was so breathtaking at the thought

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that the word spread about the situation so fast. Even

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national news picked up this story. And the problem now

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is that the man could be anywhere. I mean, he

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could even be across state lines. So the thought here

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is the more coverage the better. The more eyes that

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are looking for this car, maybe they can find the car.

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So everyone was looking. People looked and searched for this

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vehicle all night, but there was not one sighting of

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the car. Her car was gone and so were the kids.

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So police asked Susan to sit with a sketch artist

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and I need you to to, you know, to describe

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the carjacker and give us who are we looking for. Basically,

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we need to know what he looks like. And so

473
00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:09.079
an image was made and you know, she gave the

474
00:25:09.119 --> 00:25:12.720
details as this sketch artist, you know, painstakingly worked to

475
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:15.799
make it as accurate as possible so people could really

476
00:25:17.240 --> 00:25:19.000
get a glimpse of what this guy might look like.

477
00:25:19.240 --> 00:25:22.759
And so her description of him was from a side

478
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:25.720
profile and I've put this, uh this sketch on Patreon

479
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.880
for you. But he was a blackmail with pretty generic features.

480
00:25:30.200 --> 00:25:33.400
He's roughly in his forties, so he was wearing blue jeans,

481
00:25:33.440 --> 00:25:36.599
a dark shirt with a plaid jacket, and a beanie

482
00:25:36.640 --> 00:25:38.680
on his head, which I know other areas of the

483
00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:40.920
country they call him skull caps. I even found out

484
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:43.920
that in Canada they call him tuks, is what I learned,

485
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:48.000
So we don't call him that called beanie, okay, But

486
00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.720
he had his eyes if you look at the picture too,

487
00:25:51.759 --> 00:25:54.920
they slightly bulge out, almost like he's got Graves disease

488
00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.799
or something like that. And then he has really thick lips.

489
00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:01.680
His facial hair is really kind of short, it goes

490
00:26:01.720 --> 00:26:04.720
down his neck a bit, and he just had short

491
00:26:04.759 --> 00:26:09.039
hair that was basically covered by the beanie. The reality is,

492
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:11.119
if you look at the picture, really could be anyone.

493
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:13.920
There was nothing that just stood out that you could go, dang,

494
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:18.160
that's that guy I'm looking for. So I mean, like

495
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.279
I said, it could just be anyone, and so everyone's

496
00:26:20.319 --> 00:26:22.400
looking for anyone at this point. Now there was a

497
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.240
lake nearby known as John D. Long Lake, and the

498
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:29.480
investigators really decided to focus on that area to look

499
00:26:29.640 --> 00:26:31.799
for the boys because that was the area that the

500
00:26:32.359 --> 00:26:35.960
car was last in. So a helicopter was sent up.

501
00:26:36.000 --> 00:26:38.039
They put a bird in the sky and they searched

502
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:41.400
with heat sensing gear, but it came up with nothing.

503
00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.880
Then they said, okay, well, worst case scenario, let's throw

504
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:49.000
some divers out there. They put divers in and the

505
00:26:49.079 --> 00:26:52.000
divers dove throughout the lake, but they found nothing in

506
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.960
the lake, nothing in the areas around the lake. They

507
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:58.960
found nothing to do with the lake. So in October

508
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:03.279
twenty sixth, the Smiths were blessed with help from the

509
00:27:03.400 --> 00:27:07.240
Adam Walsh Center as well as some people that worked

510
00:27:07.279 --> 00:27:11.480
alongside them who extended their services to help find the

511
00:27:11.559 --> 00:27:16.599
boys and the If you're not familiar with the Adam

512
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:22.720
Walsh Center, you know America's Most Wanted. Walsh, the host

513
00:27:22.759 --> 00:27:26.880
of that show. His son was a victim of crime

514
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:29.319
and ended up being murdered, and that's how that whole

515
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:31.200
America's Most Wanted thing and all that came to be.

516
00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:35.680
So for this agency, the Adam Welsh you know agency,

517
00:27:35.680 --> 00:27:37.279
for them to come forward and say we want to

518
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.279
help you is the biggest blessing I could think of.

519
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:40.920
I would be just stoked.

520
00:27:41.319 --> 00:27:45.279
So they come in and they were integral in flyers

521
00:27:45.319 --> 00:27:47.519
being printed with pictures of the boys on it. I

522
00:27:47.599 --> 00:27:49.880
mean they were working night, day and night to get

523
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:53.640
all of this information out. And they also sent two

524
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:58.960
representatives their names were Margaret Margaret Frierson and Charlotte Foster

525
00:27:59.519 --> 00:28:02.960
to the hunt where Susan and her family were because

526
00:28:03.000 --> 00:28:06.119
they wanted to discuss a game plan of how can

527
00:28:06.160 --> 00:28:08.319
we help you, what all can we do to assist you,

528
00:28:08.799 --> 00:28:12.039
And this included their ability that they told the family,

529
00:28:12.119 --> 00:28:15.599
we can act as a liaison for you with the media,

530
00:28:15.839 --> 00:28:18.960
so we can set up scheduled interviews with them. We

531
00:28:19.079 --> 00:28:22.319
can help, you know, navigate them and control that whole thing.

532
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:25.119
Because this is going to be overwhelming for anybody if

533
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:28.480
you've never been through a traumatic situation, and I pray

534
00:28:28.559 --> 00:28:31.799
to God most of us never are. But of this magnitude,

535
00:28:31.839 --> 00:28:34.279
the media is everywhere. Your home is no longer your home.

536
00:28:34.559 --> 00:28:37.039
They're all going to be, you know, staked out front,

537
00:28:37.119 --> 00:28:39.920
watching you and trying to get video and yelling at you,

538
00:28:39.920 --> 00:28:41.079
and the whole time you're trying to deal with this

539
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:44.519
traumatic situation. And so they said, look, we will help you,

540
00:28:44.759 --> 00:28:47.440
and we will work as the liaison here. So as

541
00:28:47.480 --> 00:28:49.759
they discussed everything and they're continue to try to make

542
00:28:49.759 --> 00:28:53.079
a plan. Susan and David left the home and they

543
00:28:53.079 --> 00:28:55.079
were going to go to the Sheriff's office for a

544
00:28:55.119 --> 00:28:57.799
follow up interview to try to give more information for

545
00:28:57.880 --> 00:29:03.200
the investigation. So while Susan was being questioned, David spoke

546
00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:06.440
with Margaret and the police. Because Margaret went with them,

547
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:09.960
David spoke with Margaret and the police about pleaing for

548
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.839
the boy's return in a televised appeal. Their whole thing

549
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:15.640
was that if you just let's get you in front

550
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:18.279
of the camera. We want the boys back. We don't

551
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:20.000
need any answers or anything like that. We just want

552
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.480
our boys back. Please dump them, not dump them, that's

553
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:25.039
a bad term, but please leave them somewhere or whatever.

554
00:29:25.279 --> 00:29:28.240
But let's make a plea for them. And David was

555
00:29:28.319 --> 00:29:30.319
super nervous about this. He did not want to go

556
00:29:30.359 --> 00:29:32.839
in front of the camera, but ultimately he said, fine,

557
00:29:32.880 --> 00:29:34.000
I'll do it anything.

558
00:29:33.720 --> 00:29:34.240
For my kids.

559
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:37.759
I just want my babies back. But super super super nervous.

560
00:29:37.920 --> 00:29:40.519
So they really kind of coached him and gave him

561
00:29:40.519 --> 00:29:42.039
pointers on what to do when he got in front

562
00:29:42.079 --> 00:29:45.599
of the camera. So Susan and David had been held

563
00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:50.759
or separated, but you know, in their marriage. I mean

564
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:53.680
they had been separated, but for obvious reasons. At this

565
00:29:53.799 --> 00:29:55.880
point they kind of put their differences aside in an

566
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.960
effort to find their babies. They needed to be on

567
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.319
a united front. So when the media all descended on

568
00:30:01.359 --> 00:30:04.799
the Sheriff's office to hear the plea, David did the

569
00:30:04.839 --> 00:30:09.319
speaking while Susan just stood, you know, quietly, and listened

570
00:30:09.759 --> 00:30:12.079
next to him. They wanted the dad being the voice

571
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:14.599
to really hammer home we want.

572
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:15.200
Our babies back.

573
00:30:15.640 --> 00:30:18.440
And so this is what he said. To whoever has

574
00:30:18.440 --> 00:30:21.799
our boys. We ask that you please don't hurt them

575
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:26.960
and bring them back. We love them very much. I

576
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.400
plead to the guy, please return our children to us,

577
00:30:30.480 --> 00:30:34.640
safe and unharmed. Everywhere I look, I see their play

578
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:39.160
toys and pictures. They're both wonderful children. I don't know

579
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.640
how else to put it. And I can't imagine my

580
00:30:41.759 --> 00:30:45.160
life without them. And I thought, you know, with a

581
00:30:45.240 --> 00:30:49.960
dad under a great amount of duress, I guess what

582
00:30:50.039 --> 00:30:52.000
else can you say? We love them, give them back.

583
00:30:52.039 --> 00:30:55.200
I can't live without them. So after this statement was

584
00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:57.960
given and the media got something to throw out on

585
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:01.440
the news. Susan went back in and she was questioned

586
00:31:01.839 --> 00:31:06.720
again for another roughly like six hours by the police,

587
00:31:06.839 --> 00:31:09.279
trying to figure out anything and everything that they could.

588
00:31:09.720 --> 00:31:12.720
The more time that passed, though, the more desperate this

589
00:31:12.839 --> 00:31:16.680
situation became, and the stress and the aching for the

590
00:31:16.759 --> 00:31:21.119
boys was just unbearable for their parents and their family,

591
00:31:21.319 --> 00:31:23.319
and the thoughts, I mean, I just I really thought

592
00:31:23.359 --> 00:31:26.240
about this, and just you know, you're thinking about your babies.

593
00:31:26.559 --> 00:31:29.319
You're itty biddies. You know, these aren't teenagers. These are

594
00:31:29.359 --> 00:31:32.039
itty biddies and they depend on you for everything. Are

595
00:31:32.079 --> 00:31:36.000
they scared? Are they being fed? Are they thirsty? Are

596
00:31:36.039 --> 00:31:36.640
they hurt?

597
00:31:37.599 --> 00:31:39.400
Were they dumped on the side of the road, and

598
00:31:39.440 --> 00:31:42.559
they're lost in the woods? You know anything?

599
00:31:42.680 --> 00:31:45.799
Your thoughts just run wild when there's so many unknowns

600
00:31:46.119 --> 00:31:49.519
at play in their teep tinies, you know, they depend

601
00:31:49.599 --> 00:31:56.720
on adults. So the generosity of strangers and humanity really

602
00:31:56.759 --> 00:32:00.119
started to shine in the days to come as well.

603
00:32:00.119 --> 00:32:04.279
In this case, people from across the country did what

604
00:32:04.359 --> 00:32:06.839
they could tried to do their part to help search

605
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:10.559
for the boys. This included vigils were held all over

606
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:14.279
the place, Prayers were a constant for these babies to

607
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.920
be returned. People continued to call the police with tips,

608
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:22.319
anything that they could complete. Strangers took to the streets,

609
00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:27.039
they posted flyers, and in an effort to ensure everyone

610
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:30.559
remained aware and abreast of the situation, it was constantly

611
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:35.200
out in everybody's face. But no matter their efforts, the

612
00:32:35.319 --> 00:32:41.319
boys simply seemed to have disappeared without a trace. So

613
00:32:41.359 --> 00:32:45.480
Susan spoke with news for WYFF and she told them

614
00:32:45.519 --> 00:32:48.279
what she could. When she was speaking to the reporter,

615
00:32:48.359 --> 00:32:50.359
I want you to listen to her talk to this

616
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:52.480
reporter in her own words.

617
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:56.920
At this point, based on what happened last night, do

618
00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:59.200
you know anything better about it now than you did

619
00:32:59.319 --> 00:32:59.720
last night?

620
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.720
Name I mean they, I mean they've got it people

621
00:33:04.799 --> 00:33:06.920
everywhere looking for him. I mean, you know, you can

622
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.359
hear the helicopters that they are, and but they they

623
00:33:10.359 --> 00:33:13.960
haven't seen anything. And it's just it's crazy. I U

624
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:17.000
s and it's been since nine o'clock last night, and

625
00:33:17.160 --> 00:33:20.000
you know, and I I really thought that when it

626
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.480
got daylight they would find him, just in the Harvey.

627
00:33:22.599 --> 00:33:26.920
But was there anything about the demeanor of the man

628
00:33:28.200 --> 00:33:29.519
that that gives you concern?

629
00:33:31.680 --> 00:33:34.400
No. In fact, when he made me get out of

630
00:33:34.440 --> 00:33:36.720
the car, I you know, I tried to get my children.

631
00:33:36.759 --> 00:33:38.319
I was you They just begging him, please let me

632
00:33:38.359 --> 00:33:40.240
take 'em, and he said no, we didn't have time

633
00:33:40.359 --> 00:33:42.319
because they were in car seats and it was gonna

634
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:43.519
take time for me to get him out of the

635
00:33:43.519 --> 00:33:46.079
car seat. And they just told me, he said, but

636
00:33:46.119 --> 00:33:48.680
I won't hurt 'em. And he just took call. But

637
00:33:48.720 --> 00:33:52.880
he had a gun. And then my my big thing

638
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:57.359
is they were screaming, hollering and crying, and I'm just

639
00:33:57.400 --> 00:34:00.880
scared that he just lost his patience or something, you know.

640
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:03.880
And I don't know, I don't know. I all I'm

641
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:08.199
doing is just praying and just keeping my faith that

642
00:34:08.199 --> 00:34:09.400
they're gonna be okay.

643
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:14.880
You've never seen this guy before, that sir, never, And

644
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.679
he just came out of the blue.

645
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:20.159
I was stopped at the red light and I was

646
00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:23.039
looking this way, looking toward the left, and it was

647
00:34:23.119 --> 00:34:25.559
just like this. In a second, he was in my car.

648
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:27.679
It just tap in the car door and I just screamed,

649
00:34:27.719 --> 00:34:29.440
I said, what are you doing? He just shut up

650
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:30.880
and drive and he had a gun and it was

651
00:34:31.960 --> 00:34:34.199
poking it in my side. You know, told me to drive,

652
00:34:34.920 --> 00:34:37.599
and uh so I drove and I was trying to

653
00:34:37.679 --> 00:34:40.079
ask them one time, you know, why, why what do

654
00:34:40.119 --> 00:34:42.360
you want? You know, please just you know, don't hurt

655
00:34:42.360 --> 00:34:45.920
me or the children, he said, and and and he

656
00:34:46.000 --> 00:34:47.760
never said things. All he ever told me he was

657
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:49.559
shut up or I'll kill you. He said, don't say

658
00:34:49.559 --> 00:34:51.679
anything else. And my children were crying, and I was

659
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.880
trying to tell him, you know, and it was okay that,

660
00:34:54.079 --> 00:34:56.679
you know, don't worry, and he would, you know, and

661
00:34:56.760 --> 00:34:59.079
he let me talk to them. Wow. And then we

662
00:34:59.199 --> 00:35:01.679
just got maybe three or four miles out right and

663
00:35:01.719 --> 00:35:03.159
he told me, he said, I want you to stop.

664
00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:05.960
And I said stop right here. He said, yes, stop

665
00:35:06.039 --> 00:35:07.920
right here. And it was just a middle of the raid,

666
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:11.880
I mean, you know. And I stopped and he teld

667
00:35:11.920 --> 00:35:14.159
me get out. And I was in the driver's side.

668
00:35:14.199 --> 00:35:17.800
He was in pastor's side, and so I opened the door.

669
00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.599
I said, I'm gonna get my children from I get

670
00:35:20.599 --> 00:35:22.280
He said, no, you can't have haesy, I don't have

671
00:35:22.320 --> 00:35:25.679
time for that, you know. He just and sort of

672
00:35:25.719 --> 00:35:27.519
pushed me on out of the door, helped me get

673
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.159
on out of the door. And he's not doing took

674
00:35:29.199 --> 00:35:31.960
off and I ran to the closest house I could, and.

675
00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:39.400
I'm really sorry you couldn't help, but hurt for this woman.

676
00:35:40.079 --> 00:35:42.559
I mean, it's just a tragedy on all fronts.

677
00:35:43.599 --> 00:35:47.000
So two more days would pass since the carjacking took place,

678
00:35:47.280 --> 00:35:50.000
and police had to start where we know they always start,

679
00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.880
which is the inside and out. And so the closest

680
00:35:52.920 --> 00:35:56.599
people to the kids are the parents, and so they

681
00:35:56.599 --> 00:35:58.800
wanted to rule out the parents, so they asked Susan

682
00:35:58.880 --> 00:35:59.719
and David.

683
00:35:59.480 --> 00:36:01.199
To both polygraph tests.

684
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:05.000
So a polygraph test, by the way, is commonly referred

685
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.039
to as a light detector test.

686
00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:07.599
It cannot be used in court.

687
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:11.440
It's just kind of an investigative tool to kind of decide,

688
00:36:11.519 --> 00:36:14.280
you know, do we see this person's telling the truth

689
00:36:14.360 --> 00:36:18.039
or not. So on Thursday, October twenty seventh, both of

690
00:36:18.079 --> 00:36:21.320
them took the test. David passed the test with flying colors,

691
00:36:21.320 --> 00:36:26.159
no issues. He wanted to find his boys. Susan didn't

692
00:36:26.199 --> 00:36:30.599
fare as well. When specifically asked the question do you

693
00:36:30.719 --> 00:36:36.480
know where your children are? Her test showed straight deception,

694
00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:41.400
straight deception. Now, like I said, it's only an investigative tool,

695
00:36:41.719 --> 00:36:46.000
but it does raise eyebrows that your kids were taken

696
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:48.599
from you in a carjacking, and then we ask specifically,

697
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:49.320
do you know where they are?

698
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:50.320
You fail that question.

699
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:56.440
So investigators continued to interview Susan, and on multiple occasions

700
00:36:56.800 --> 00:36:59.239
they had her start with the morning of the kidnapping

701
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.519
and go straight through the day, and she recounted the

702
00:37:02.559 --> 00:37:06.440
same thing. She got the boys they were at daycare.

703
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.199
She said, I went to work after work, I got

704
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:09.679
the boys.

705
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.280
I went home. I called my mom. I wanted we

706
00:37:12.280 --> 00:37:13.079
were gonna go visit her.

707
00:37:13.159 --> 00:37:15.960
Later mom had plans to go to the t ball game,

708
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:18.559
so she said, I went home. I made dinner for

709
00:37:18.599 --> 00:37:21.920
the boys, but they were really fussy and they wouldn't eat.

710
00:37:22.920 --> 00:37:24.000
David even called.

711
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:24.440
She said.

712
00:37:24.440 --> 00:37:26.039
He called me around the time that I was feeding

713
00:37:26.079 --> 00:37:28.360
the boys, and we spoke on the phone. The police

714
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.719
checked that checked out. He did call whenever they were

715
00:37:32.039 --> 00:37:34.920
feeding the boys, she said, or when she was feeding

716
00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:37.719
the boys. At seven thirty pm, she said, she went

717
00:37:37.760 --> 00:37:42.519
to Walmart and then she decided to drive to Foster Park,

718
00:37:43.280 --> 00:37:47.360
where she stayed until about eight forty pm. During that

719
00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:50.320
drive around and that's when she said she realized that

720
00:37:50.400 --> 00:37:53.719
at some point she had dropped the baby's bottle the

721
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:56.280
baby had dropped the bottle and she couldn't find it

722
00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:58.639
on the floorboard. So she said, I drove back to

723
00:37:58.719 --> 00:38:01.480
Walmart in the parking lot right there because those big

724
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:04.320
bright lights and I could see better. So I drove

725
00:38:04.440 --> 00:38:08.960
back to go and find the baby bottle. After I

726
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:11.880
got the baby bottle situation, she said that she wanted

727
00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:14.880
to go and visit a man named Mitchell Sinclair. And

728
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:16.239
they're like, okay, well, wait a minute, who is this

729
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.159
Mitchell Sinclair guy? And she said, well, he is the

730
00:38:19.159 --> 00:38:22.320
fiance of my best friend. Her best friend's name was Donna.

731
00:38:23.159 --> 00:38:25.320
So police are like, okay, well, maybe we need to

732
00:38:25.360 --> 00:38:28.960
look into that some more so Mitch looking at where

733
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.840
he lived. Mitch lived less than a mile north of

734
00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:36.320
the intersection where Susan had stopped at the red light,

735
00:38:37.199 --> 00:38:39.679
and so she had told police, look, I didn't see

736
00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:43.280
any other cars at the intersection when I stopped. I waited,

737
00:38:43.639 --> 00:38:45.960
then the light turned green, and right when the light

738
00:38:46.000 --> 00:38:49.000
turned green, that's whenever the man jumped in my car

739
00:38:49.400 --> 00:38:52.880
and he took the boys. And she said that this

740
00:38:53.119 --> 00:38:57.280
was the intersection that the Monarch intersection. But there was

741
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.360
an issue with the story. Even though this was this story.

742
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:00.480
I know.

743
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:02.079
I added a few more details for you at this point,

744
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:04.159
but it was the same story over and over again.

745
00:39:04.159 --> 00:39:05.280
But there was an issue with it.

746
00:39:06.119 --> 00:39:10.719
Police had already spoken with Mitch and he had no

747
00:39:10.920 --> 00:39:14.639
clue that she was going to be coming by. And

748
00:39:14.679 --> 00:39:17.079
the bigger problem was that not only did he not

749
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:19.119
know she wasn't going to be that she wanted to

750
00:39:19.119 --> 00:39:21.599
come by. He said, I wasn't even home until after

751
00:39:21.719 --> 00:39:24.239
nine pm that night. Anyway, it wouldn't have made sense

752
00:39:24.280 --> 00:39:25.960
for her to come by, and she didn't call me,

753
00:39:26.000 --> 00:39:27.639
and I didn't have any plans for her to come.

754
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:33.679
So they had also already gone to the Walmart. There

755
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.360
was no record of her ever having been at the Walmart. So,

756
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.079
as you can imagine, this is a big problem, huge problem.

757
00:39:41.920 --> 00:39:45.920
So when faced with this information, Susan adjusted her story

758
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.480
and she said, Okay, look, the reality is I just

759
00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:53.679
went driving around. I lied about it because I felt

760
00:39:53.719 --> 00:39:55.960
like I look suspicious if I just say I'm driving

761
00:39:56.000 --> 00:39:59.719
around and somebody carjacked me, you know, and I'm just

762
00:40:00.480 --> 00:40:02.199
I didn't want to look suspicious. And well I'm over

763
00:40:02.239 --> 00:40:04.880
here light well too late, honey, I mean shit, I'm

764
00:40:04.880 --> 00:40:06.320
not lying about a damn thing.

765
00:40:06.360 --> 00:40:07.800
If my kids are missing, I.

766
00:40:07.760 --> 00:40:09.400
Will tell you things I don't even think you need

767
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:11.280
to know or want to know. I'll tell you whatever.

768
00:40:11.400 --> 00:40:13.400
I'll tell you the color of Madama underwear if it'll

769
00:40:13.400 --> 00:40:15.480
help you find you know my children.

770
00:40:15.800 --> 00:40:17.239
I'm not gonna lie about anything.

771
00:40:17.280 --> 00:40:20.599
So police are like, hmm, we're not believing you, sus

772
00:40:21.199 --> 00:40:24.159
We've got some trust issues here. So they started breaking

773
00:40:24.199 --> 00:40:28.159
down her story step by step by step, and that's

774
00:40:28.199 --> 00:40:31.920
when they made a realization about a red light that

775
00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:39.079
would prove crucial to this story. That specific intersection where

776
00:40:39.079 --> 00:40:41.760
she says she stopped at the red light and then

777
00:40:41.800 --> 00:40:45.239
when it turned green, the black man jumped in. That

778
00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:51.800
light was set to always have a green light. So

779
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:53.280
I know what you're thinking, Wait, what why would you

780
00:40:53.320 --> 00:40:55.679
have a red light that was always green? Okay to Shae,

781
00:40:55.719 --> 00:41:00.199
good question. It wasn't a popular intersection necessarily, so it

782
00:41:00.239 --> 00:41:02.760
was popular. One way. It was always set to have

783
00:41:02.760 --> 00:41:07.079
a green light. The only way that that light would

784
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:10.760
change colors is if a car were to come up

785
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:18.000
and trigger a light change. That means even though she

786
00:41:18.119 --> 00:41:21.360
had recounted this story multiple times that she stopped for

787
00:41:21.400 --> 00:41:25.039
the red light, but she said on multiple times there

788
00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:28.519
were no other cars at the intersection. That means her

789
00:41:28.599 --> 00:41:31.320
light would have been green and she never would have

790
00:41:31.400 --> 00:41:35.119
had to stop. We have a huge lie. Now, you

791
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.639
would have never stopped at that light. It doesn't work

792
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:42.760
that way, honey, if she was really carjacked. It also

793
00:41:42.800 --> 00:41:46.159
stood out to police that in a typical carjacking, the

794
00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:51.239
assailant usually just wants the car, y'all. They it makes

795
00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.199
no sense that he would say, no, you can't take

796
00:41:54.239 --> 00:41:56.440
your kids. I don't have time for that and drive

797
00:41:56.480 --> 00:41:59.440
off with the kids. Kids are a hindrance and a

798
00:41:59.480 --> 00:42:01.159
man a line. I want to have these kids with

799
00:42:01.239 --> 00:42:05.239
him during a pard jacking. That just doesn't That doesn't

800
00:42:05.280 --> 00:42:10.079
fit the typical situation. In the meantime, while they're going

801
00:42:10.119 --> 00:42:12.599
through all of these things that aren't adding up, David

802
00:42:12.679 --> 00:42:15.159
was also being questioned by investigators. He's in a different

803
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:18.760
room and they wanted the names of all of the

804
00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:22.960
people that Susan may have been dating. So what name

805
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.119
does he bring up? Tom Findley, the CEO's son. He says, look,

806
00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:31.199
she's dating this dude, Tom Finley, and he kind of

807
00:42:31.239 --> 00:42:34.000
got irritated with it, and he's like, I don't know

808
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.440
why everybody's so freaking fixated on this guy. I want

809
00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.440
to find my fucking kids. Why do we keep having

810
00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.719
to talk about this guy? My wife's screwing. Okay, that's

811
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.039
kind of the gist of how this went. And then

812
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:46.760
he added something that kind of made his irritation make sense.

813
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.639
He said, I mean, hell, you know, when Susan was

814
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.480
riding home with me, or riding with me to go

815
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:56.159
to her mother's house the night of the kidnapping, she

816
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.480
said something that pissed me off to no end, and

817
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.880
they're like, okay, what happened? He said, We are driving

818
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:08.760
from the McLeod home to Susan's mother home, mother mother's home. Sorry,

819
00:43:09.719 --> 00:43:11.760
and all I can think about are my babies have

820
00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:12.360
been taken.

821
00:43:12.840 --> 00:43:15.039
And she looks at me and.

822
00:43:14.960 --> 00:43:18.199
She says, look, Tom Finley may come visit me tonight,

823
00:43:18.239 --> 00:43:19.880
and I don't want you to get mad about it.

824
00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:26.119
David did get mad, though, but not about Tom Finley.

825
00:43:26.199 --> 00:43:29.760
He was mad that how in the hell are you

826
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:33.239
sitting here talking to me about some dude you're dating

827
00:43:33.599 --> 00:43:38.920
when our children are missing. Why in the world does

828
00:43:38.920 --> 00:43:41.119
that happen? He's like, I didn't give a shit if

829
00:43:41.119 --> 00:43:44.679
the President of the United States showed up. I want

830
00:43:44.679 --> 00:43:48.840
my kids. I don't care about Tom Finley. Plus Tom

831
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:51.800
had broken up with her anyway, he was irrelevant. You know,

832
00:43:51.880 --> 00:43:54.679
everyone needed to focus on his son's, not this Tom

833
00:43:54.679 --> 00:43:58.320
Finley dude. So I really do understand why David was

834
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:01.239
pissed and tired of bringing up the Tom dude. So

835
00:44:01.320 --> 00:44:04.280
police then went to Susan and they directly asked her

836
00:44:04.719 --> 00:44:09.199
if the breakup with Tom Finley may somehow be related

837
00:44:09.480 --> 00:44:13.000
to her boy's disappearance, and her exact response was quote,

838
00:44:13.360 --> 00:44:15.800
no man would ever make me hurt my children.

839
00:44:15.880 --> 00:44:19.000
They were my life. Well guess what.

840
00:44:19.920 --> 00:44:24.199
Eyebrows went straight up when she said that, What do

841
00:44:24.239 --> 00:44:29.559
you mean they were your life? Because any woman right

842
00:44:29.599 --> 00:44:33.840
now worth her salt, me included that's listening to this,

843
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:35.559
would tell you our children.

844
00:44:35.440 --> 00:44:38.760
Are our lives. They are our lives.

845
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:41.119
I would never say my children were my life. They

846
00:44:41.159 --> 00:44:43.519
are my life and they will always be my life.

847
00:44:44.559 --> 00:44:48.400
So the detectives are like, what is going on here?

848
00:44:48.880 --> 00:44:52.320
So eventually Susan was just point blank confronted by a detective.

849
00:44:52.360 --> 00:44:55.199
His they was Detective Caldwell, with all of the inconsistencies

850
00:44:55.199 --> 00:44:58.159
in her story, and when she mentions how fussy the

851
00:44:58.199 --> 00:45:02.480
boys were with that invest during this interrogation, he just

852
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:05.079
kind of callously goes, not callous, that's not the word,

853
00:45:05.079 --> 00:45:06.840
but kind of like matter of factly goes, is that

854
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:07.599
why you killed him?

855
00:45:08.599 --> 00:45:09.880
And Susan became.

856
00:45:09.679 --> 00:45:13.239
Irate and she started slamming her fists on the table

857
00:45:13.280 --> 00:45:15.440
and she started yelling at the detective, you son of

858
00:45:15.480 --> 00:45:17.960
a bitch, how could you think that? I can't believe

859
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:21.760
you'd think that I did it? Well, Detective Caldwell wasn't

860
00:45:21.800 --> 00:45:25.159
moved by this outburst, and he even had a note

861
00:45:25.239 --> 00:45:28.920
that he took like in his handwritten notes that during questioning,

862
00:45:29.400 --> 00:45:32.480
when Susan would cry, he would sit back and watch

863
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:38.199
her and no tears would fall, not one, no tears

864
00:45:38.599 --> 00:45:42.920
would fall at all. And this notation seemed important compared

865
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:47.079
to the polygraphic examiner's notes because he made a note

866
00:45:47.280 --> 00:45:49.760
like completely separate on his own while he was doing

867
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.599
the test, and he wrote direct quote fake sounds of

868
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:58.239
crying with no tears in her eyes. So two men

869
00:45:58.320 --> 00:46:02.800
with two different tasks are finding a very similar commonality here.

870
00:46:03.199 --> 00:46:07.920
So this led police to wonder, what is a homicidal mother?

871
00:46:08.400 --> 00:46:10.320
What would she look like if we had to make

872
00:46:10.360 --> 00:46:14.239
a profile of such a woman. Does Susan fit the bill.

873
00:46:14.840 --> 00:46:18.119
They worried and wondered about this so much that they

874
00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:21.880
got well, they're not they but the sheriff, Sheriff Wells

875
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:25.880
contacted the FBI and he asked them, can you create

876
00:46:25.920 --> 00:46:30.360
a profile for comparison to Susan of what a homicidal

877
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:33.119
mother would look like? And so the FBI made a

878
00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:39.599
profile and their results were nothing short of eye opening. Okay,

879
00:46:40.119 --> 00:46:42.840
so you know, you're in a very serious predicament here.

880
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.760
We have a mother whose kids are gone. Clearly they're

881
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:50.920
carjacked or taken because they're not here. But it's a

882
00:46:50.960 --> 00:46:53.360
fine line that you tread. Do you blame a mother

883
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:55.400
and say, oh my god, what you know if she's

884
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:59.360
a victim, we don't want to put this undu, you.

885
00:46:59.320 --> 00:47:01.559
Know, hurt and her and accused her of it.

886
00:47:01.920 --> 00:47:03.639
So they're kind of really trying to feel out are

887
00:47:03.639 --> 00:47:05.920
we all on the track here at all? Well, here's

888
00:47:05.920 --> 00:47:08.079
a couple of the bullet points. This is not all inclusive,

889
00:47:08.320 --> 00:47:10.480
just a few of them. They said, this will be

890
00:47:10.559 --> 00:47:15.960
a woman in her twenties, under educated, a history of

891
00:47:16.000 --> 00:47:20.519
either physical or sexual abuse or both. Remember her stepdad

892
00:47:21.719 --> 00:47:28.760
had depressive and suicidal tendencies. And was probably experiencing rejection

893
00:47:29.119 --> 00:47:31.239
by a male lover.

894
00:47:31.719 --> 00:47:34.800
At the time of murdering her children.

895
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:46.000
Oh what holy shit. Okay, we've got bingo card. Okay,

896
00:47:46.000 --> 00:47:48.639
here it fits. And that really kind of sealed the

897
00:47:48.639 --> 00:47:50.159
deal for the police that they were in the right

898
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:52.159
direction and they needed to keep going down this direction.

899
00:47:52.559 --> 00:47:55.199
So by now it had been three days of the

900
00:47:55.239 --> 00:47:58.880
boys being missing, and that Sheriff Wells went on Larry

901
00:47:58.960 --> 00:48:02.239
King Live. He went, now, he's doing like a media blitz.

902
00:48:02.360 --> 00:48:04.199
He went on Larry King Live as well as the

903
00:48:04.239 --> 00:48:07.360
Today Show to draw attention to the case. And he

904
00:48:07.440 --> 00:48:11.280
even openly said after vetting over a thousand calls of

905
00:48:11.360 --> 00:48:15.440
tips and leads, nothing of value had materialized.

906
00:48:15.840 --> 00:48:16.280
Nothing.

907
00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:22.880
On Friday, October twenty eighth, tons of deputies and volunteers decided,

908
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.039
all right, we're going to do another foot search. We're

909
00:48:25.039 --> 00:48:28.639
now going to walk out together and search the grounds.

910
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:31.880
And they searched both sides of Highway forty nine, which

911
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:34.920
is near John D. Long Lake, but they found nothing

912
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.920
on either side of the highway. So he held another

913
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:43.360
press conference and he told the public that nothing had

914
00:48:43.400 --> 00:48:46.800
been found, and now he was open and said, look,

915
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.840
we're trying to sort out some discrepancies in Susan's statements.

916
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:56.960
The next day, a pretty spicy story was published that

917
00:48:57.199 --> 00:49:02.440
detailed the discrepancies in Susan's story, and the public was

918
00:49:02.480 --> 00:49:05.239
beginning to feel like Susan knew more than she was sharing.

919
00:49:05.440 --> 00:49:07.519
You know, it's not just the police that start figuring.

920
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.599
Stuff out sometimes, you know, in big situations like this,

921
00:49:10.639 --> 00:49:13.480
the public kind of starts going, hmm, you know, it

922
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:16.719
just it just didn't working out. But let me tell

923
00:49:16.719 --> 00:49:19.880
you else had turned up their nose to her story,

924
00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.079
and that was the local black community. They had questions too.

925
00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:29.039
Most pressing was how the hell is a black man

926
00:49:30.199 --> 00:49:35.000
gonna possibly be driving around with two little white toddlers

927
00:49:36.000 --> 00:49:40.159
and nobody take notice of it considering the massive search

928
00:49:40.760 --> 00:49:45.559
that's going on looking for this specific oddity. Now, y'all

929
00:49:45.559 --> 00:49:46.880
don't come at me and say a black man can

930
00:49:46.960 --> 00:49:49.039
drive a with white children, No shit, Su're like, okay,

931
00:49:49.079 --> 00:49:51.199
I got that. What I'm trying to say is, in

932
00:49:51.280 --> 00:49:55.159
that time and in that moment, it just isn't jiving.

933
00:49:55.440 --> 00:49:58.000
That would have been seen. Somebody would have seen that.

934
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:04.559
So there was another somewhat high profile person who offered

935
00:50:04.599 --> 00:50:09.000
his assistance in this case, and his name was Mark Class.

936
00:50:09.280 --> 00:50:11.679
And if you're a true crime you know, big time

937
00:50:11.840 --> 00:50:14.599
true crime junkie like me, then you'll know about the

938
00:50:14.679 --> 00:50:19.920
poly Class case. And Mark Class is poly Class father.

939
00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:22.760
She was a young girl that was abducted from her

940
00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:26.280
home and ended up being murdered. Well, he started this,

941
00:50:26.599 --> 00:50:28.840
you know, the whole foundation, and that he really wanted

942
00:50:28.840 --> 00:50:30.039
to help children that were missing.

943
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:33.559
And he's very devoted to this. He's lived it.

944
00:50:33.719 --> 00:50:35.519
He knows what it's like for your child to go missing.

945
00:50:36.119 --> 00:50:41.039
So devoted in this, he flew He flew in and

946
00:50:41.159 --> 00:50:44.079
was ready to offer help and went straight to the

947
00:50:44.119 --> 00:50:47.159
home of Susan's mother to say, I'm here, I have

948
00:50:47.199 --> 00:50:50.840
experience with this, I can help you. And he was

949
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.199
met by a woman by the name of Margaret Gregory

950
00:50:54.800 --> 00:50:59.280
in the driveway of Susan's mother's home. Now, let's talk

951
00:50:59.280 --> 00:51:02.400
about Margaret for a second. Margaret worked for the Sheriff's

952
00:51:02.400 --> 00:51:05.920
Office number one. She was their PIO, their public information officer,

953
00:51:07.039 --> 00:51:10.719
but she was also married to Susan's cousin, so she

954
00:51:10.880 --> 00:51:15.239
was related to them. So Margaret had been appointed by

955
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:19.159
the family as the official family spokesperson because held, I

956
00:51:19.199 --> 00:51:21.039
mean that was her job was dealing with the media

957
00:51:21.079 --> 00:51:23.360
as the public information officer, so they felt that she

958
00:51:23.400 --> 00:51:26.079
could do a good job. So as mister Class is

959
00:51:26.079 --> 00:51:29.519
walking up the driveway to come help, she approaches him

960
00:51:29.760 --> 00:51:31.880
and she flat out looks him in the face and says,

961
00:51:32.000 --> 00:51:37.280
Susan is not interested in your help. What in the

962
00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:43.719
world I would take the help of Putin if he

963
00:51:43.800 --> 00:51:47.239
offered it. If my children were missing, I wouldn't care

964
00:51:47.920 --> 00:51:52.079
who wanted to help. Somebody help me find my babies. So,

965
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:59.199
just dumbfounded by this, mister Class didn't leave. He stayed

966
00:51:59.239 --> 00:52:02.039
out front of the hull and he talked with a

967
00:52:02.079 --> 00:52:06.519
good friend of his. Her name was Genie Boyton, and

968
00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:11.119
their talk would prove very important in this case. So

969
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.400
mister Class's out front, He's sitting with all the media

970
00:52:14.480 --> 00:52:16.880
staring at the house just and cannot understand why you

971
00:52:16.880 --> 00:52:19.519
wouldn't want more help, especially from someone who's been in

972
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:23.639
your shoes before with a very bad outcome. And when

973
00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:27.400
he calls Genie, this is going to be important. Genie

974
00:52:27.400 --> 00:52:32.719
Boyton was a cognitive graphic artist and her friendship with

975
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:36.079
Mark was a very close one because she was the

976
00:52:36.199 --> 00:52:41.239
very person who drew the sketch of the man ultimately

977
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:47.679
caught and convicted for killing Mark Class's daughter Polly. This

978
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:53.280
woman knew what she was doing, and Genie and Mark

979
00:52:53.360 --> 00:52:56.599
were discussing the fact that Jeanie had looked at the

980
00:52:56.639 --> 00:52:59.800
sketch of the black Man and she felt in her

981
00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:04.599
there was something wrong with that sketch, and so basically,

982
00:53:04.679 --> 00:53:07.480
while they're discussing it, she's just calling bullshit on the

983
00:53:07.480 --> 00:53:13.360
carjacking altogether. Through her vast experience doing sketches, she is

984
00:53:13.440 --> 00:53:17.199
telling Mark, Mark, I expect something far more detailed than

985
00:53:17.239 --> 00:53:21.360
this generic side view sketch that we got. She was

986
00:53:21.440 --> 00:53:25.639
so convinced about this that she carried her happy ass

987
00:53:25.679 --> 00:53:29.320
there that Jeanie flew in there, and she went to

988
00:53:29.360 --> 00:53:33.440
the sheriff's office and she told them specifically who she was,

989
00:53:33.920 --> 00:53:36.679
what she does for a living, and the problems that

990
00:53:36.719 --> 00:53:39.199
she has with the sketch that they are putting out

991
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:42.960
to the media. Number one on her list was she

992
00:53:43.000 --> 00:53:47.519
said the sketch had no emotion. She said, that's not normal.

993
00:53:48.280 --> 00:53:53.519
This person looked passive and not like someone actively worked up,

994
00:53:53.800 --> 00:53:57.639
full of adrenaline, stealing a car, putting a gun to

995
00:53:57.760 --> 00:54:01.000
someone's head, and think about it, that is what that

996
00:54:01.159 --> 00:54:04.079
is what a victim would see if someone puts a

997
00:54:04.199 --> 00:54:09.400
gun in your face. Trust, a lot of your victims

998
00:54:09.480 --> 00:54:11.480
are gonna tell you that. If you ask them what

999
00:54:11.559 --> 00:54:12.800
kind of gun was it? You know what their answer

1000
00:54:12.880 --> 00:54:15.239
is a big one. Why because there's a fucking gun

1001
00:54:15.239 --> 00:54:18.719
in their face. But number two, the person is not

1002
00:54:18.800 --> 00:54:22.639
emotionless that is doing this deed. They're worked up. They've

1003
00:54:22.679 --> 00:54:25.039
got a drill in pumping too. They're not gonna.

1004
00:54:24.800 --> 00:54:26.559
Say give me your car.

1005
00:54:26.519 --> 00:54:30.440
All polite and not be with emotion that would be

1006
00:54:30.519 --> 00:54:36.280
built in to their drawing. So Mark Class while she's

1007
00:54:36.360 --> 00:54:39.039
up there pleading her case to the police. Mark Class

1008
00:54:39.239 --> 00:54:42.960
was eventually able to speak with David's father, who loved

1009
00:54:43.039 --> 00:54:46.039
the idea of him helping was thrilled to have him

1010
00:54:46.039 --> 00:54:48.440
come in, and so he set up a meeting for

1011
00:54:48.519 --> 00:54:53.519
the next morning. But again, whenever Mark Class got there,

1012
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:58.199
Margaret Gregory told him to leave and that Susan and

1013
00:54:58.320 --> 00:55:02.239
David did not want to meet with him. So Mark

1014
00:55:02.280 --> 00:55:06.199
and Jeannie tried for another four days to make contact

1015
00:55:06.239 --> 00:55:08.280
with Susan to help them, till finally they were like,

1016
00:55:08.280 --> 00:55:10.360
to hell with this and they left. You don't want

1017
00:55:10.440 --> 00:55:12.719
help finding your kids, we will leave. But they did

1018
00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:14.880
invest a full week in trying to help these people.

1019
00:55:15.559 --> 00:55:19.000
Can you imagine wasting such a large resource when your

1020
00:55:19.079 --> 00:55:22.519
children are missing and have been missing for days? No

1021
00:55:22.679 --> 00:55:27.679
frickin' way. But amazingly a glimmer of hope came in.

1022
00:55:28.079 --> 00:55:32.280
On the sixth day of the boy's disappearance, police in

1023
00:55:32.400 --> 00:55:38.000
Seattle had found none other than an abandoned, approximately fourteen

1024
00:55:38.039 --> 00:55:44.800
month old white baby that matched Alex's exact description. So

1025
00:55:45.639 --> 00:55:48.480
the other cool part about this is that they were

1026
00:55:48.480 --> 00:55:52.480
able to catch the plates the car license plate of

1027
00:55:52.519 --> 00:55:54.440
the man who dumped the child. The child had been

1028
00:55:54.519 --> 00:55:57.559
dumped at a motel and sure enough, guess where those

1029
00:55:57.599 --> 00:56:02.400
plates were? Out of South carol So the sheriff got

1030
00:56:02.440 --> 00:56:07.159
really excited, called the family, Susan, David, I've got to

1031
00:56:07.239 --> 00:56:11.440
let you know the subdate. They found a baby and

1032
00:56:11.480 --> 00:56:15.719
we think it's Alex and the plates were from South Carolina.

1033
00:56:16.039 --> 00:56:22.119
But by ten am, Seattle police called back and said, sorry,

1034
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:24.039
we've actually idd this baby.

1035
00:56:24.320 --> 00:56:25.199
It's not Alex.

1036
00:56:26.599 --> 00:56:31.920
So Susan and David held another short press conference that afternoon,

1037
00:56:32.320 --> 00:56:36.000
but by now police just didn't believe Susan, but proving

1038
00:56:36.039 --> 00:56:39.559
that she had done something was becoming an issue. They

1039
00:56:39.719 --> 00:56:44.440
continued to question Susan daily, but they would hint at

1040
00:56:44.440 --> 00:56:46.880
the fact that they weren't believing her, but they didn't

1041
00:56:47.119 --> 00:56:50.199
quite jump in her face yet about it. But the

1042
00:56:50.239 --> 00:56:52.639
thing that bothered the police the most, the thing that

1043
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:56.000
was holding them back, was the case of Susan's car

1044
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:02.760
or lack thereof. You know, cars don't just disappear. They

1045
00:57:02.840 --> 00:57:08.960
felt that she worked alone in whatever had happened, you know,

1046
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.320
in terms of the disappearance of the children, But the

1047
00:57:12.360 --> 00:57:16.199
disappearance of an entire vehicle made it really hard to

1048
00:57:16.320 --> 00:57:19.639
understand what happened. You know, she would have had to

1049
00:57:19.679 --> 00:57:24.719
have been in walking distance of leaving the car, you know,

1050
00:57:24.840 --> 00:57:28.079
to the Mcloud's house. But the police had searched everywhere

1051
00:57:28.119 --> 00:57:30.559
the car was not there. They would have found it.

1052
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:32.800
The car was not anywhere, So how did she get

1053
00:57:32.800 --> 00:57:37.800
to the Mcloud's house and make a car disappear? Going

1054
00:57:37.840 --> 00:57:40.320
on that idea that she had to have been in

1055
00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:46.480
walking distance, they returned back to the McLoud house and

1056
00:57:46.679 --> 00:57:49.159
they did a search for the car in a two

1057
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.920
mile area, figuring that would be the distance that she

1058
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:52.719
would be able to.

1059
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:54.760
Get back to the house.

1060
00:57:55.519 --> 00:57:58.840
So they also went back to the lake area searched

1061
00:57:58.840 --> 00:58:02.519
the lake, found nothing, so they would have to rely

1062
00:58:02.719 --> 00:58:06.239
on just good old fashioned interrogation techniques to try to

1063
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:10.760
break Susan. And she was proving really really hard to crack,

1064
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:15.159
much harder than the police had anticipated. So Sheriff Wells

1065
00:58:15.280 --> 00:58:18.199
and an agent named Pete Logan decided they were gonna

1066
00:58:18.239 --> 00:58:20.159
do like this good cop bad cop type thing, and

1067
00:58:20.199 --> 00:58:22.559
they were going to be the good cops. So agent

1068
00:58:22.639 --> 00:58:25.760
Logan was a thirty five year veteran of law enforcement

1069
00:58:26.280 --> 00:58:29.519
and this was not gonna be his first rodeo. He

1070
00:58:29.559 --> 00:58:31.440
had done this a long time. I think he even

1071
00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:34.599
had experience in the FBI prior to that. So the

1072
00:58:34.679 --> 00:58:37.800
goal his goal was to earn Susan's trust and then

1073
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.079
break her into confessing. So he was slow and steady

1074
00:58:41.119 --> 00:58:44.039
in his questioning with just a little pressure applied to

1075
00:58:44.079 --> 00:58:47.599
try to build that trust. So Agent Caldwell during this

1076
00:58:47.679 --> 00:58:50.960
time is really studying Susan, and this is while this

1077
00:58:51.119 --> 00:58:53.840
questioning is going on, and he decided, you know what,

1078
00:58:53.920 --> 00:58:55.400
I really want to go back and talk to this

1079
00:58:55.440 --> 00:58:58.239
Tom Finley guy, this guy that had broken up with Susan.

1080
00:58:58.320 --> 00:59:01.440
So specifically he was in interested in the letter that

1081
00:59:01.480 --> 00:59:04.159
Tom had written Susan to break up with her, and

1082
00:59:05.400 --> 00:59:09.679
what he had to offer that Susan was just what

1083
00:59:10.079 --> 00:59:11.639
did he have to offer that Susan was just not

1084
00:59:11.800 --> 00:59:13.840
willing to lose, that she would be willing to do

1085
00:59:13.880 --> 00:59:18.920
something to her kids. Tom himself admitted that Susan's reaction

1086
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.400
to the breakup really shook him and it freaked him

1087
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:25.440
out because her behavior was like over the top with

1088
00:59:25.559 --> 00:59:29.159
the breakup, and so he also gave police a copy

1089
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:32.760
of the letter for them to see what he had

1090
00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:33.480
written her.

1091
00:59:34.119 --> 00:59:36.760
So when that happened.

1092
00:59:36.920 --> 00:59:42.360
Learning of Tom Finley's financial status and Susan's propensity to

1093
00:59:42.519 --> 00:59:46.400
lash out whenever she felt threatened, the police developed this

1094
00:59:46.599 --> 00:59:52.239
running motive. They believed that greed, just pure greed, and

1095
00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:56.840
the desire to climb the status ladder, both financially and

1096
00:59:57.119 --> 01:00:01.000
in society, led Susan to murder her children because they

1097
01:00:01.000 --> 01:00:04.679
were just flat out in her way. The tactic of

1098
01:00:04.760 --> 01:00:10.280
gaining the confession became media pressure. They decided to do

1099
01:00:10.440 --> 01:00:15.400
intense media pressure on Susan so to build this stressor

1100
01:00:15.599 --> 01:00:19.719
listen to this to build this stressor, investigators went so

1101
01:00:19.880 --> 01:00:23.480
far as to contact the producers of America's Most Wanted

1102
01:00:24.199 --> 01:00:28.280
and had them come film an entire episode on the

1103
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:33.519
missing brothers. On top of this, they called all the

1104
01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:38.400
most influential ministers in the area and they had them

1105
01:00:38.480 --> 01:00:43.000
do their own press you know, own press conference, really

1106
01:00:43.039 --> 01:00:45.960
trying to pull the religion aspect into the mix and

1107
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.400
get a whole lot of attention from a religious standpoint.

1108
01:00:49.840 --> 01:00:54.639
And then the police themselves went to extremes. They created

1109
01:00:54.719 --> 01:00:59.480
a very realistic looking newspaper article with some software that

1110
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:00.159
they had.

1111
01:01:00.199 --> 01:01:03.119
About a young mother who had killed her kids.

1112
01:01:03.519 --> 01:01:07.679
And this fake article really focused on the fact that

1113
01:01:07.760 --> 01:01:12.239
this mother served a really short sentence in prison and

1114
01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:14.920
then got out and was eventually able to marry a

1115
01:01:15.039 --> 01:01:18.280
rich doctor. And it was a total game of psychology

1116
01:01:18.320 --> 01:01:21.519
where they hoped that Susan would read the article and

1117
01:01:21.559 --> 01:01:23.480
then kind of believe, oh, well, this could be me too,

1118
01:01:23.639 --> 01:01:25.280
you know, I can just go to a little prison

1119
01:01:25.320 --> 01:01:27.480
time and then get out and maybe I can slay

1120
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:31.199
Tom again or whatever. So they did all of this

1121
01:01:32.199 --> 01:01:34.840
and hoped that they might could just break a confession

1122
01:01:34.880 --> 01:01:37.039
out of her through all of this pressure. On the

1123
01:01:37.199 --> 01:01:40.559
ninth day of searching for the boys, the tactics used

1124
01:01:40.559 --> 01:01:44.880
by the police worked, and Susan Smith confessed to what

1125
01:01:45.039 --> 01:01:49.360
had actually happened and where police could find her baby boys.

1126
01:01:51.239 --> 01:01:55.960
The truth was that Susan Smith had taken her two

1127
01:01:56.039 --> 01:02:01.000
baby boys, the ones that loved their mama and trusted

1128
01:02:01.000 --> 01:02:05.760
her unconditionally, and she strapped them both into their car

1129
01:02:05.800 --> 01:02:09.119
seats in the back of her car to take them

1130
01:02:09.360 --> 01:02:13.320
for the car ride. And then she started to drive

1131
01:02:13.360 --> 01:02:16.119
her car and she drove to John D.

1132
01:02:16.639 --> 01:02:18.800
Long Lake. When she got.

1133
01:02:18.639 --> 01:02:21.679
There, she looked at the lake, and she looked at

1134
01:02:21.679 --> 01:02:25.280
the boat ramp, and that boat ramp led to the water.

1135
01:02:27.280 --> 01:02:30.079
She said, it was dark outside. It was about nine pm,

1136
01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:34.239
and so she drove her vehicle straight to that ramp

1137
01:02:34.360 --> 01:02:40.000
where she came to a stop, and while holding the

1138
01:02:40.039 --> 01:02:44.960
brake down on the car, she got out. And once

1139
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:49.480
she got out, she let off the brake, closed the door,

1140
01:02:50.159 --> 01:02:55.599
and watched as her vehicle drove into the dark water

1141
01:02:57.159 --> 01:03:01.800
and her babies were strapped into the car, completely unaware

1142
01:03:02.119 --> 01:03:06.800
that their fates had just been sealed. And as the

1143
01:03:06.880 --> 01:03:11.559
water came flowing in through the doors and through the

1144
01:03:11.800 --> 01:03:16.840
air vents, those babies were terrified and they were screaming

1145
01:03:17.199 --> 01:03:21.519
out for their mommy. As the car slowly floated out

1146
01:03:22.119 --> 01:03:25.840
into the lake and began to fill with the freezing

1147
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:31.559
cold water, and they couldn't get out without help. All

1148
01:03:31.599 --> 01:03:35.480
they could do was scream and cry for their mommy

1149
01:03:35.840 --> 01:03:39.440
in their car seats in the pitch black, as the

1150
01:03:39.480 --> 01:03:44.519
water slowly covered their tiny bodies and ultimately their faces

1151
01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:49.039
where they were gasping for air but only could inhale water.

1152
01:03:49.880 --> 01:03:55.079
And as those baby boys drowned a scary and slow death,

1153
01:03:56.199 --> 01:04:01.280
the car sunk to the bottom of the lake. And

1154
01:04:01.360 --> 01:04:05.719
once the car was completely submerged and the surface of

1155
01:04:05.800 --> 01:04:10.599
the lake stilled, Susan then turned around and walked to

1156
01:04:10.679 --> 01:04:14.920
find a house to begin her charade as a victim

1157
01:04:15.119 --> 01:04:21.159
whose children were taken from her, and to really grasp

1158
01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:25.519
the gravity of this, because most normal people like me

1159
01:04:25.599 --> 01:04:29.400
and you can't fathom this, like our brains won't let

1160
01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:34.760
us envision it. So a recreation by investigators was done

1161
01:04:35.039 --> 01:04:37.519
to really understand what the boys went through. And I'm

1162
01:04:37.519 --> 01:04:41.239
going to tell y'all something, it's terrifying. They took a

1163
01:04:41.280 --> 01:04:44.880
Mazda and they rigged it up with cameras to recreate

1164
01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:50.280
those babies last minutes, and it showed water pouring in

1165
01:04:50.360 --> 01:04:53.760
through those vents and the water steadily rising in the car,

1166
01:04:53.920 --> 01:04:58.559
and it takes six minutes for that Mazda to completely

1167
01:04:58.639 --> 01:05:00.519
go beneath the surface.

1168
01:05:02.679 --> 01:05:09.159
It's unconscionable. It's unspeakable, and it is damn near unbelievable.

1169
01:05:10.159 --> 01:05:14.360
If she hadn't said it, you wouldn't believe it. So

1170
01:05:14.480 --> 01:05:17.400
once the confession was made, police immediately went back to

1171
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:20.400
out to this lake and they're like, how could we

1172
01:05:20.440 --> 01:05:23.840
miss a whole car? We dove for it, we searched

1173
01:05:23.840 --> 01:05:25.920
for it. How did we miss a car? And I

1174
01:05:25.960 --> 01:05:29.440
want to explain to you what happened. Well, the assumption

1175
01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:33.320
was that the car would have been driven when they

1176
01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:35.559
first searched the lake when they weren't really telling people,

1177
01:05:35.559 --> 01:05:37.000
we want to see if they're in the lake. The

1178
01:05:37.039 --> 01:05:39.119
assumption was that the car would have been driven at

1179
01:05:39.159 --> 01:05:42.280
a high rate of speed, which would make big waves.

1180
01:05:42.320 --> 01:05:45.760
Imagine that car crashing into the lake in that huge

1181
01:05:45.800 --> 01:05:48.760
wall of water right would hit back on the car. Well,

1182
01:05:48.800 --> 01:05:51.960
when that happens, that would slow the momentum of the car.

1183
01:05:52.400 --> 01:05:56.079
So the divers had searched the areas around the river banks,

1184
01:05:56.239 --> 01:05:58.400
you know, within reason, around the bank where the car

1185
01:05:58.440 --> 01:06:01.280
would have slammed and hit water, floated a little bit,

1186
01:06:01.599 --> 01:06:06.119
and then sunk down. They never considered that a mother,

1187
01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:13.719
nonetheless would have slowly rolled her car into that lake,

1188
01:06:13.960 --> 01:06:18.760
which would have made no waves, or relatively no waves,

1189
01:06:19.159 --> 01:06:23.079
which means that that Mazda actually drifted out over one

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01:06:23.239 --> 01:06:28.559
hundred feet into the lake before, just like the Titanic,

1191
01:06:29.280 --> 01:06:32.960
the engine went down and it bobbed with those babies

1192
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.519
in those car seats, and then it started to bubble

1193
01:06:35.760 --> 01:06:39.280
and go down. They never could have imagined the car

1194
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:42.599
would have gone out that far, And when they located

1195
01:06:42.639 --> 01:06:47.159
that car, the divers were sickened to find it flipped

1196
01:06:47.199 --> 01:06:51.159
over upside down and the baby boys were dangling upside down,

1197
01:06:51.559 --> 01:06:56.800
still strapped in their car seats. Susan Smith was promptly

1198
01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.280
arrested and she was charged with the murder of her

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01:06:59.320 --> 01:07:03.239
two baby boy. After her arrest, David, who had nothing

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01:07:03.280 --> 01:07:06.320
to do with this, filed for divorce and he was

1201
01:07:06.360 --> 01:07:09.880
granted it in May of nineteen ninety five, and then

1202
01:07:09.920 --> 01:07:13.360
two months later Susan went on trial and the prosecution

1203
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:17.280
laid out their case, and their case was that Susan

1204
01:07:17.360 --> 01:07:21.360
Smith looked our country in the eye and lied over

1205
01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:25.599
and over again, playing on the emotions and the feelings

1206
01:07:25.639 --> 01:07:31.519
of everyone that listened. She continuously was quoted saying just

1207
01:07:31.599 --> 01:07:35.000
begging God to return her children to safety, and the

1208
01:07:35.159 --> 01:07:41.079
whole time for those days, nine days she knew that

1209
01:07:41.239 --> 01:07:44.960
her babies were strapped into a car, soaked in freezing

1210
01:07:45.159 --> 01:07:48.800
cold water, lying dead on the bottom of a lake,

1211
01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:53.840
and their case, my friends, was received loud and clear,

1212
01:07:54.079 --> 01:07:56.920
and she was ultimately convicted in July of nineteen ninety

1213
01:07:56.920 --> 01:07:59.639
five on both counts of murder. It only took the

1214
01:07:59.679 --> 01:08:02.559
jury ninety minutes to come back with that guilty verdict.

1215
01:08:03.320 --> 01:08:05.920
Ninety minutes they gave her, which I'd like to argue

1216
01:08:06.039 --> 01:08:09.840
is a whole lot more time and thought that she

1217
01:08:09.960 --> 01:08:14.280
was afforded on whether she should live or die in prison,

1218
01:08:14.679 --> 01:08:17.479
a whole lot more time than she gave her baby boys.

1219
01:08:18.960 --> 01:08:23.359
And Susan was spared the death penalty unlike her children,

1220
01:08:23.760 --> 01:08:27.680
and sentenced to life in prison with the possibility of parole,

1221
01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:31.239
which guess when she went up for parole this week

1222
01:08:32.000 --> 01:08:38.439
of this recording, twenty twenty four. Now, so many listeners

1223
01:08:38.760 --> 01:08:42.520
have been tuning into her parole. And I know that

1224
01:08:42.560 --> 01:08:45.119
because they're talking to me. They're messaging me, oh my god,

1225
01:08:45.159 --> 01:08:48.560
you're gonna cover this case. So many people have been

1226
01:08:48.560 --> 01:08:51.159
tuning in to her parole that she just went up for,

1227
01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.319
and before I get to the outcome, I thought I

1228
01:08:54.319 --> 01:08:59.039
would give you some insight to her behavior behind bars

1229
01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:02.039
for the last years. Let's put a side fact she

1230
01:09:02.239 --> 01:09:06.479
murdered two innocent children. Okay, let's talk about her behavior

1231
01:09:06.520 --> 01:09:08.600
behind bars for the last thirty years. And I'm gonna

1232
01:09:08.600 --> 01:09:11.439
start with once a slut, always a fucking slut. That's

1233
01:09:11.479 --> 01:09:16.199
how this seems, because not one, but two prison guards

1234
01:09:16.479 --> 01:09:20.560
have been fired for having sex with Susan behind bars,

1235
01:09:21.159 --> 01:09:23.920
one of them being the rank of captain, So she's

1236
01:09:23.920 --> 01:09:25.279
still playing her slut.

1237
01:09:24.960 --> 01:09:26.000
Games behind bars.

1238
01:09:27.119 --> 01:09:29.800
Her account, by the way of that situation was that

1239
01:09:29.880 --> 01:09:33.079
she was being beaten and mistreated, so they opened a

1240
01:09:33.319 --> 01:09:35.800
full fledged investigation on this and found that these were

1241
01:09:35.800 --> 01:09:39.680
completely unsubstantiated claims with no evidence of maltreatment.

1242
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:42.640
She has been transferred.

1243
01:09:42.279 --> 01:09:46.520
Multiple times to different facilities because of this type of misbehavior.

1244
01:09:47.399 --> 01:09:51.399
In twenty ten, she wrote the courts requesting a new trial,

1245
01:09:51.479 --> 01:09:53.840
saying her attorney was bad and the trial was quote

1246
01:09:53.920 --> 01:09:59.680
unquote unfair, which a judge promptly rejected. She was disciplined

1247
01:09:59.680 --> 01:10:04.319
into ten for using drugs where she clearly learned her

1248
01:10:04.399 --> 01:10:07.520
lesson when just a month later she was disciplined again

1249
01:10:07.840 --> 01:10:11.399
for the exact same thing, using drugs. And then she

1250
01:10:11.560 --> 01:10:14.800
was disciplined a little while later that year for body mutilation,

1251
01:10:14.880 --> 01:10:16.960
which I'm gonna guess means that she got a prison tattoo,

1252
01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:17.840
because that sounds like how.

1253
01:10:17.720 --> 01:10:18.520
We would write it up.

1254
01:10:19.439 --> 01:10:22.800
In twenty twelve, she was disciplined for the unauthorized use

1255
01:10:22.840 --> 01:10:25.840
of an inmate's pen. That's pim like pen number, not

1256
01:10:25.880 --> 01:10:29.000
a writing pen, which means she was doing fraud behind bars.

1257
01:10:29.600 --> 01:10:34.000
Twenty fifteen, she was disciplined again for drug use, and

1258
01:10:34.000 --> 01:10:36.840
then in twenty twenty four she was disciplined because she

1259
01:10:36.880 --> 01:10:41.600
talked to a documentary filmmaker and provided contact information not

1260
01:10:41.680 --> 01:10:45.359
only for her family, but for her ex husband, you know,

1261
01:10:45.720 --> 01:10:49.119
the living victim in her case, the children, the father

1262
01:10:49.239 --> 01:10:52.239
of the children she murdered. She gave his contact information

1263
01:10:52.359 --> 01:10:56.760
to them so they could harass him. So November fourth

1264
01:10:56.840 --> 01:10:59.840
of this year marked exactly thirty years of her and

1265
01:11:01.359 --> 01:11:06.039
based on her sentencing, that means that she's now eligible

1266
01:11:06.039 --> 01:11:09.479
for parole every two years. She was fifty three years

1267
01:11:09.520 --> 01:11:12.479
old when she went before the parole board on November

1268
01:11:12.479 --> 01:11:15.920
twentieth and guess who was there. David was there, and

1269
01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:18.159
I have so much respect for that man because he

1270
01:11:18.239 --> 01:11:20.800
wasn't there for anything to do with Susan, but to

1271
01:11:21.039 --> 01:11:24.560
advocate for his boys, who no longer have a voice

1272
01:11:24.680 --> 01:11:28.560
because of that woman, and the parole board, I'm happy

1273
01:11:28.600 --> 01:11:35.600
to say, unanimously denied her release. To kill your babies

1274
01:11:35.680 --> 01:11:39.079
over a man's attention, and then to blame a ghost

1275
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:42.920
of a black man that could have very seriously legitimately

1276
01:11:42.960 --> 01:11:47.640
resulted in someone going to prison who was innocent, is abhorrent.

1277
01:11:49.560 --> 01:11:51.960
She cried, by the way, y'all through her parole hearing,

1278
01:11:52.159 --> 01:11:54.319
and I want you to know I felt nothing for

1279
01:11:54.399 --> 01:11:57.279
that woman. Cry me a fucking river, Susan or a lake.

1280
01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:01.520
Considering your affinity for those forgiveness, I know it's not

1281
01:12:01.640 --> 01:12:05.239
mine to give, but I will never forget what she

1282
01:12:05.399 --> 01:12:09.520
did to those baby boys. The callousness and the selfishness

1283
01:12:09.520 --> 01:12:14.079
it takes to terrify your screaming babies as they slowly

1284
01:12:14.479 --> 01:12:19.159
drown and you stand there and you watch. Thirty years

1285
01:12:19.159 --> 01:12:22.479
means nothing to me when I reflect on this situation.

1286
01:12:22.520 --> 01:12:25.760
I don't even know these children, and I'm pissed about

1287
01:12:25.760 --> 01:12:27.840
what they had to go through. So I hope you

1288
01:12:27.920 --> 01:12:30.960
cry until you take your last breath. And when I

1289
01:12:30.960 --> 01:12:33.600
think about poor David, all I can say is, you

1290
01:12:33.680 --> 01:12:35.479
know what my daddy's always said to me is that

1291
01:12:35.600 --> 01:12:39.039
Jesus may forgive her, but a daddy don't forget, and

1292
01:12:39.079 --> 01:12:43.880
I believe David falls in that category. I loathe this

1293
01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:47.319
woman for multiple reasons, but it boils down to the

1294
01:12:47.399 --> 01:12:52.560
fact that to me, the elderly, disabled and children are

1295
01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:56.079
off limits. They are off limits in this world. They

1296
01:12:56.079 --> 01:12:58.880
are off limits, and this is non negotiable. And I

1297
01:12:58.960 --> 01:13:01.119
mean this with such since airity that if I was

1298
01:13:01.119 --> 01:13:03.960
in a room with Hitler and bid Lawden and I

1299
01:13:03.960 --> 01:13:07.640
only had two bullets, I consider shooting her ash twice