Oct. 2, 2024

Lazy Assassin: The Carly Gregg Conviction

Lazy Assassin: The Carly Gregg Conviction

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In this episode of Unspeakable, Kelly Jennings investigates the case of 14-year-old Carly Gregg, who shot her mother, Ashley Smiley, and attempted to kill her stepfather, Heath. Kelly explores the troubled dynamics within the Smiley family, detailing Ashley's struggles as a devoted mother and Carly's descent into mental health issues and substance use.

KJ unpacks the chaotic events of March 19, 2024, leading to the tragic shooting, capturing the urgency of the 911 call and the chilling aftermath. She explores the intricate details of the Carly Gregg trial and her subsequent conviction. The podcast delves into the key events, courtroom proceedings, and the implications of the Carly Gregg case, Perfect for those seeking in-depth knowledge about Carly Gregg's case.

Timestamps
20:15 A Mother's Devotion
28:56 The Shocking Incident
30:33 The 911 Call
35:31 The Aftermath
40:30 Investigating the Scene
46:20 The Search for Carly
56:54 Video Evidence
1:06:30 The Autopsy Report
1:07:35 The Arrest of Carly Gregg
1:19:54 Carly's Mental State
1:26:30 Court Proceedings
1:33:12 The Verdict

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast, or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey y'all, kJ

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you're back for another episod that's sort of unspeakable. How

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is it going. I hope you're having a good week.

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I'm having a fantastic week. I want y'all to also

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know that if you are local, I'm gonna be at

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fall Fest on October the fifth. I'll have a booths

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out there, I'll have merch. Please come by and see me.

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I'll be near the railroad tracks. Also on October the third,

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I'm going to be a special guest at Live Oak

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Junior High So, again, if you're local, and if you

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have kids that go to school there, I'd love to

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meet you. We're going to do a whole thing on

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internet safety. So if you are in town and you

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to be a good little, good little mini show, and

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I'll be excited to meet everyone there. Also, I've got

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some shout outs to do today. I do want to

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say this though. I don't record every single day, so

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I want my listeners to know that I record once

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a week, So whenever you join, you won't get a

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shout out necessarily the very next episode, because I may

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have already recorded it. But hang in there. I'm not

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ignoring you, and I promise you you will get your

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shout out today. I'm gonna start with Okay, no lie,

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I want to tell y'all what I go through for you.

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I want to say your name right so badly that this

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first person, Aaron from Aurora, Colorado. I googled how to

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say your last name, and I don't believe it's right.

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This is what the Google told me. I'm all that

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has I don't believe that's your last name Erin and

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I'm from South Louisiana. So I'm gonna say, hey, Aaron Armandaries,

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how are you You're gonna tell me how to say

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y'all's names. I'm so sorry if I get it wrong,

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but welcome erin. I'm so thankful to have you all

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the way from Aurora, Colorado. I need to cover the

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shooting at y'all's movie theater. I haven't done that one yet,

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but I'm gonna make a note, and specifically for you, Aaron,

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I'm gonna do it. And then right here in my backyard,

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Denim Springs, Louisiana, I've got Holly Lanore, Hey, Holly, how

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are you? As well as in Amherst, Ohio? Anita done?

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Hey Anita? What's going on out there? Now? My next listener.

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a lot of duplicated letters. So Leanne, I'm gonna have

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to make you a key chain because you deserve one.

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But how are you doing? I don't know where you're from.

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You didn't fill it out on here, but welcome. Thank

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you so much, Leanne. I hope you're having a wonderful week.

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And then this one's special to me. Jenna Dee's right

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here in Denam Springs, Louisiana. I taught you, Jenna, and

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I love you madly and I hope that you're doing well.

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going well. And then I've got Hartshorn, Missouri. And this

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you join. It means so much to me to have

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support from you, and thank you so so much from

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the bottom of my heart. And then last but not least,

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are from. Now I don't have a last name, so

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it's just Jenny. But Jenny, are you from bald Knob, Arizona?

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Because I am so immature and I friggin love it

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bald Nob. How are you doing out there in Arizona? Jenny?

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Tell everybody you know I said, hey, and thank y'all

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so much for your continued support. It literally is the

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difference now this episode today, I know for a fact

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that if you were on TikTok, you have been following

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it listening to it. And I decided since it's fresh

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in the news and everybody's talking about it. Mama's going

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to cover it for you. By the way, I'm on TikTok.

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If you want to find me, just search Unspeakable Kelly.

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You'll see me. I'm there and I make little little

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videos every now and then. So it's all over TikTok.

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It's a current trial and it just completed, and it

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caught my attention, not only because it's all over the news,

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but because of the family dynamic involved and the mother's job.

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She was a teacher, and it just drew my attention.

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By the way, I have a big announcement to make.

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Guess who will not be teaching anymore after this year?

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'tis I? Podcasting is going so well and people want

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me to send and more episodes, and so I'm gonna

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take the leap of faith and I'm gonna do it.

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That's gonna become my full time job. So I'm making

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my formal announcement today that this is my last year

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of teaching. I'll finish with seventeen years and I'm going

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to go into the world of podcasting full time. So

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thank you to everyone who has supported me and continues

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to support me. That way I can continue to make

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more episodes. So this one's going to take place in Mississippi,

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and that's home to forty year old Ashley Nicole Smiley.

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She was born on April eleventh, same date as my

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high school best friend April eleventh, nineteen eighty three, and

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Stuart Florida, and she loved the fact that she was

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a Floridian. One of her favorite things to do was

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to travel, but ultimately her heart loved returning to Florida's beaches,

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and she specifically loved going to Disney World with her family.

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It was always special because it was home to her.

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She lived and had moved in her adult life in Mississippi,

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and she was a teacher, and she taught math at

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Northwest Rankin High School. So shout out to that high school.

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If I have an listeners there, y'all say hey to

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me on Facebook or TikTok if you're from there. I'd

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love to talk to some people from there. But she

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was known to be a gifted math teacher, and she

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was good at technology and the arts. And she was

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a little bitty woman. When I looked her up, she

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was five foot one, maybe one hundred and twenty pounds.

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She was a little bitty thing. She wasn't huge into makeup.

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She preferred a more natural look, very fair, complexted. She

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was thin, long blonde hair, and then she had big

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blue eyes. Something I found kind of fun about her too,

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was that she loved to play video games. I mean,

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she's in her forties but loved to play video games

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and low Ki I used to play video games too.

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I loved playing Call of Duty like the old maps.

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I loved it. I don't do it anymore, but that

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was my jam, so I could have totally played games

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with her. And she also did the other things you

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would expect a forty year old to do. She loved

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to read. She was also smitten with her two dogs.

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She had two Golden Retrievers. Their names were Wyatt and Thin,

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and she did love to take long walks with them

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and be out in nature and just join the sunshine

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with her pups. She was also a very devoted mother

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to her fourteen year old daughter, Carle, and Carly was

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literally her entire world, and in her mothering of Carly,

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her goals were to be compassionate, to teach strength to

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her daughter, because she wanted her daughter to be successful

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in this world. That is so difficult to navigate these days.

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It's hard. And Ashley herself had experienced great difficulties in

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that she had Carly and then she had another baby girl,

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but that baby girl ended up dying very young from

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a genetic abnormality. Her baby's name was Natalie, and maybe

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because of Natalie's death, that's why Ashley was so overly

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I don't know if you could be overly dedicated, that's

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not the right word, but she was very intensely dedicated

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to her Carly and her ability to remain kind. I

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found so beautiful when she had obvious reasons that she

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she could have chosen to be angry with the world

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and to not be nice, but she recognized the fragility

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of life and she intended on giving her remaining daughter

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an absolutely beautiful life. Now this is strictly speculation. I'll

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tell you that because I was unable to find out

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a lot about baby Natalie that passed away, but I

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was curious about it. But I did find that some

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donations were made to a spinal muscular atrophy organization in

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her name, and so that led me to believe that

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this may have been what affected baby Natalie. But again

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it's speculation. I just wanted to give you a little

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more information on it if you're interested. But whatever the

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situation may be, there was no question that Ashley loved

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being a mother more than anything, and she gave her

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all when it came to parenting. Now, her daughter, like

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I said, her name was Carly. She was fourteen years old,

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in the love of her mother's life and as her

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only remaining child, Ashley was very protective of her and

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fiercely loved her girl Carly. Looking at her, she was

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a skinny, little fourteen year old girl. She had short

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brown hair cut into a bob with bangs, and it

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kind of had like a little as the teenagers would say,

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it's giving Dora the Explorer, but she kind of had

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that little little girl cut going on. Her eyes are

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really really thin, and she has those drooping eyelids that

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make them look even smaller, so like little slit eyes.

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And she was a super smart girl, which made her

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mother so incredibly proud. Carle was also proud of her

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own intelligence. To be honest, she liked that she was

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a smart girl, so smart in fact, she actually skipped

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fourth grade all together. She did amazing on the standardized

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test that she took, and she just continued to excel

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even with skipping the fourth grade. She loved going to

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school and she loved performing and doing well in class. Now,

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as she aged, common issues started to occur. Things that

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happen y'all, boys started getting interesting to her.

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She did.

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She start dabbling in marijuana. Her mom had caught her

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lying on some stuff and she was quick to anger,

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especially when she was called out on the things that

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she wasn't doing correct. She also began having some emotional issues,

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which her mother immediately recognized and took action, and that

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action included her going to therapy weekly. So her mother

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remained very involved in her life, if not even more

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involved once she started seeing she was having some struggles

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as she was maturing. And parenting is hard, y'all, especially

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when you're parenting a teen. You know, if you know,

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you know, if you know you know it's hard, it

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is not for the week. Luckily, though Ashley was not

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on her own parenting, she had met the love of

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her life. His name was Heath Smiley and their romance

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had turned into love and then turned into eventually marriage.

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They had happily gotten married in twenty nineteen in the

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mountains of Gatlinburg and they had these happy family photos

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to document that day. Carly was excited she got a

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great stepdad in Heath, and he knew the issues and

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the traumas that Ashley and Carly had both been through

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in this, you know, in their lives, but he was

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willing and ready to take it all on. He loved Ashley.

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And he never got to play stepdad to Natalie because

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she passed away before Heath had met Ashley. But he

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loved Carly and when I tell you dove in headfirst

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to care for her, that's exactly what he did. Now

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Ashley mom. Ashley had been previously married before to a

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man named Kevin greg but it seemed to sour pretty quickly.

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Kevin was allegedly a drug user, and Carly, you know,

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she wanted her dad, but she didn't like to be

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around him. She was you know, quoted as saying that

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he used drugs a lot in her presence and pretty

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much all the time he was using drugs. She specifically

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stated that he had was blowing smoke in her face

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and he even one time when she was twelve, forced

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her to drink a whole beer in front of him.

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She was now fourteen, and she was at the age

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that she was old enough to say, you know, I

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don't really I'm not really down with this. I don't

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really really want to go do this anymore. And even

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just talking about Kevin seemed to stress both mom Ashley

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and Carly out. Both of them given like this deer

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in the headlights look whenever his name was even brought up.

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Carlely did have court ordered visitation every other week with

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her dad, but again, like I said, she didn't like it,

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and she would argue that he just didn't care for her.

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Even you know, he might pick her up, but he

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didn't like make sure she ate and that she had

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something to drink and she brushed her teeth or anything

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like that. So anytime that she would visit him, both

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Ashley and Heath felt like Carly just wasn't herself for

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a day or two afterwards when she would return back

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home and it was almost like she had to reacclimate

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to being back into the normal home after leaving her

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father's house. So a little bit about Heath. Heath was

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thirty nine years old. He was a physical therapy assistant

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and at the time that this case takes place, he

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had been married to Ashley for just about three and

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a half years. He had a great relationship with Carly.

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They would palle around together, they would play video games together.

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At one point, she was loving karate, so he would

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go to her karate classes when she was interested in that,

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and he just was a supporter of her in all

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that she did. Heath did not have any biological children

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of his own, and he loved Carly as if she

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was his own. That was his daughter, and he wanted

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to support her. Heath did not have many interactions with

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Carly's bio dad, though it seemed like the bio dad

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was more of one to just kind of drop her

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off in the driveway and then drive off like not

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even making sure she made it into the house. And

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Heath certainly wasn't going to go chase him down or

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anything to go have an interaction with him, because matter

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of fact, Kevin was allegedly doing things that you know,

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quite frankly, they just irritated Ashley and Heath to no end.

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So the less they interacted the better. Now, what kind

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of things did Kevin supposedly do well, aside from not

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properly caring for their daughter when he was in his care.

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He was also fighting them in court for custody, which

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scared Ashley because Ashley didn't think that Carly needed to

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be around him that much. He also gave Carly an iPad,

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which she was able to access social media through, even

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though Ashley had made it very clear that with everything

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going on in Carly's life and that she was starting

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to have some struggles and get in trouble, she did

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not want Carly on social media. She didn't think that

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TikTok and these other apps were a very healthy or

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safe decision for her. But regardless of this being vocalized,

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Kevin still gave her an iPad. Anyway. Now, I'm gonna

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say this, if you follow this case, sometimes you'll hear

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people say he gave her an iPad, sometimes they say

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an iPod, and sometimes I've heard them even say that

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he gave her a burner phone. Regardless of whatever the

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media was, It's irrelevant whatever it was he gave her.

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She was using that item to access social media and

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Ashley really did not want her on it. And I

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can't I can't argue that that parental decision. These apps,

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we know, open a world up to kids that otherwise

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they wouldn't have access to And the main thing that

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was irritating to Ashley was that Carly continued to access

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the social media even though her mom had explicitly told

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her she did not want her on the social media.

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And then to add to that, and to compound the complication,

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Ashley had gotten herself a little boyfriend and was now

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speaking to that little boy through the social media, which

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was further upsetting Ashley because it was going against everything

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she was trying to do to insulate and protect Carly

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from outside, you know, external influences that she seemed to

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want to be a part of. Ashley thought that fourteen

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was just too young to date as well. And so

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then we compound this issue and then Carly gets caught

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sneaking out of the house after curfew to go meet

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up with him, and so it's like, no matter what,

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you know, Ashley's fighting an uphill battle. And I one

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hundred percent feel for Ashley on this one. Co parenting

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has got to be tough. I'm married happily, but I

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come from a divorced household. And side note here, I

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swear to God I think my dad tripped and accidentally

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impregnated my mom something of that nature. Because they are

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so different. It's scary and I literally cannot figure out

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how I was made because the two people can't get

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along to save their life. It is bizarre. And this

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seems to be very similar to what Carly's bio parents

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were like, especially in parenting styles. I'm telling you, how

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the hell I came to be is a mystery and

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it defies all of science. Okay, I digress, But these

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two Ashley's parent up, sorry Carly's parents, they seem to

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be having a tough time co parenting as well, so

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I guess it's common. But basically, it was a constant

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battle and this little boy that she was dating, his

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name was Anthony. But it wasn't long term. It didn't

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last as you could expect. It ended, And you know,

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Ashley worked at the same school as Carly, so she

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did still see the two of them hanging out in

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the halls together, but nothing was crazy or out of

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line or anything like that, so she kind of let

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it ride, but she still had her eye on Ashley.

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Considering the poor decision making, Ashley also did what I

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think a lot of us would do at that point,

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and she started taking the step of monitoring Carly's phone.

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So she had her phone and she had that other

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device that her dad had given her, and she made

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some limitations too. She said, look, you can have your phone,

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but you're not gonna have it at night because I

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don't want you staying up all night on this phone.

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I want you getting some good sleep. But other than that,

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Carly was allowed to have her phone any other time.

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Another disappointment for Ashley, though, was when Carly got in

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trouble for bringing a knife to school. Now, real quick,

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this was not a big butcher knife where she was

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running around the hall slicing people. Okay. It was a

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Swiss army knife. And she was given the knife by

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her stepfather, and he bought it under the premise that

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she would do these little crafts and arts and crafts

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in her room, and so he bought it for her

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to do work on those crafts in her room. He

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had been given one himself when he was a kid.

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He really appreciated it. He thought it was cool, and

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so he was just doing something nice for his stepdaughter

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in that same regard, he certainly didn't think that she

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was going to bring this knife to school. So when

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Carly was caught with it. She first told the school, Oh,

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it's for protection because there's other students and I'm worried

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that they're going to try to hurt me, and so

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I brought to defend myself. But then rather quickly the

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story changed and she said, oh, I brought it because

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somebody else told me to bring it. So the propensity

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to lie was proven here because we don't know what

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the truth was, but whatever it was, it was obvious

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that she was going to be in trouble for having

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a weapon on campus. So, as was protocol, she was

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sent to the Alternative School for discipline for doing you know,

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bringing the weapon to school, and she was sent there

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for a semester. And yet another incident at school, she

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also got in trouble for cheating. Now, what happened in

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that incident. Basically, she had a phone. She took a

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picture of the teacher's computer when the teacher wasn't looking,

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and it had the answers on it, and she shared

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those answers with the other students. But what's crazy about that,

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and you probably you're thinking the same thing is why

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would she do that? She doesn't have to cheat. She

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was smart enough to skip a grade. Why would she

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do this? She was beyond smart. To me, it was

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almost as if she did it just to be defiant

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as well as she was trying to be cool in

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front of the other kids and kind of like be like, oh,

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I can get you the answers and kind of send

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them their way. So poor Ashley was constantly dealing with

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these battles when it came to Carley. But y'all, we

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all know parenting teens is not for the week, and

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Heath was there to support Ashley. But from what I've gathered,

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Ashley was doing all of the main parenting of her daughter,

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from disciplining to giving advice to you know, bringing her here, there,

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and yonder. And I'm sure that it was just the

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straw that broke the camel's back on March nineteenth, twenty

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twenty four, when this case kind of erupted. It was

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like every other morning. When they woke up that morning,

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there was no drama. They all got ready, Ashley made

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some tea like she normally did, and then Carly and

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Ashley head off to school. They left a little bit

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before Heath like they normally did, and he left a

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little bit after them to go to work at the

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physical therapy clinic. That afternoon, though, two of Carly's friends

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decided that they needed to go talk to her mom

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at school. They went and said, you know, miss Ashley,

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we need to talk to you. And they kind of

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started saying, look, Ashley's always been so bubbly and friendly

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and outgoing, but we feel like we might need to

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tell you something. And she's like, okay, what the friend said, Look,

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you know, she's starting to smoke weed. And they were

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worried enough about it that they were nervous. They felt

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really nervous to go to Ashley, but they wanted her

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to know. Look, she's smoking marijuana, she's got a vate pen,

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she's doing the THHC vape pins, and we just kind

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of feel like she's spiraling down a dark path and

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we want you to know. And it took a lot

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of courage for these young kids to go to their

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teacher to tell her this, but they finally mustered up

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the guts and they went and they told Miss Ashley,

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and to those kids, kudos to you for doing the

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right thing and trying to look out for your friend.

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So when the bell rang at the end of the

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school day, Carly went to her mother's classroom, as was usual,

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and that's when Ashley confronted her with the information that

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she had received a little bit earlier that afternoon. She

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didn't sell out the kids who had told her, but

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she said, and she was very direct with Carly, that

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I know what's going on and this has got to stop.

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And Carly looked at her and denied everything. She's like,

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that's not true. I'm not doing that. I don't know

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why would you accuse me of that. She denied it all.

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But Ashley still right then and there searched her booksack

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to see if she had anything on her I'm sure

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once they left the school, and i don't know this,

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but I'm sure they discussed all of the situations that

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were going on, and I'm sure Ashley was disappointed. And

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as they drove home from school, they were having these

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mother daughter conversations that could have been happened or it

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could have been dead silent. Either way, I'm sure the

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mood was a bit not happy in the car on

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the way home. Included in this discussion was not only

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I'm sure that you know Carley was making bad decisions

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and smoking weed, but Ashley had also found out that

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her fourteen year old daughter had gotten her nipple pierced

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as well as a tattoo. Now, listen, y'all, I'm no prude.

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Y'all know that, but I can tell you now under

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my roof, there's no frigging way of fourteen year old's

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gonna come home with a nipple piercing. That said, who

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gave her the damn piercing? Did she do it to

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herself because that's scary, or did she go somewhere and

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they pierced her. That's even worse, Like what is going on?

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So adding to Ashley's stress here also is that when

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she found out about the struggles that were going on

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as a mom, she made a decision, I'm gonna put

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my daughter in therapy. I want her to talk to

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somebody else. Maybe she'll open up, maybe she'll be willing

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to talk more, and we can kind of get whatever

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is going on under control, because usually these behaviors are

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symptoms of something else, and maybe they're trying to you know,

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it's very common for teenagers to smart to start smoking

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weed when they've got big feelings, big emotions. They don't

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know how to deal with them, and so that seems

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to be a way that they try to calm themselves down.

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Not saying it's right, but it is rather common in

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today's society. So Ashley is now even more stressed because

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clearly it looks like therapy wasn't stopping or helping the

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problems that she was hoping therapy would have helped with.

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And during all of this as well, Ashley found out

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that Carly was also cutting herself, and she found this

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out through that iPad, and Carly had been cutting herself

456
00:24:14.759 --> 00:24:20.599
specifically on her thighs. So when Ashley was younger, she

457
00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:24.279
too had some bouts with depression and she had been

458
00:24:24.279 --> 00:24:29.400
put on prozac. Now, whenever Ashley went with carle and

459
00:24:29.480 --> 00:24:32.880
was talking to her therapist, the therapist wanted to put

460
00:24:32.920 --> 00:24:35.440
Carlely on some medicine as well, but Ashley said, hold on,

461
00:24:35.759 --> 00:24:37.920
I do not want her put on prozac because when

462
00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:40.160
I was a teenager, they put it on me or

463
00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:42.400
put me on it, and I started having suicidal thoughts

464
00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:44.960
that got very uncomfortable for a while, so I stopped

465
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.039
taking it immediately. I don't want to put my daughter

466
00:24:47.079 --> 00:24:48.960
on the same medicine. I think that was a great

467
00:24:49.000 --> 00:24:52.880
call on Ashley's part and so she did approve, however,

468
00:24:53.240 --> 00:24:56.680
a different but similar medication for Carley to try to

469
00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.279
help with her extreme anxiety and the depression that she

470
00:24:59.400 --> 00:25:05.559
was obviously facing in life. Ashley also didn't just freelance

471
00:25:05.599 --> 00:25:08.720
hand the medicine over to Carly. She would dispense it

472
00:25:08.759 --> 00:25:12.559
herself because she was worried about Carly, considering she also

473
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:15.799
found out Carly was taking sleeping pills at night without

474
00:25:15.799 --> 00:25:18.839
permission and without anyone's knowledge, and that scared Ashley, because

475
00:25:18.839 --> 00:25:21.480
why are you taking this medicine that nobody knows what

476
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:24.039
you're doing. It could hurt you, and I don't want

477
00:25:24.079 --> 00:25:27.640
you to be doing that. Regardless of everything though that

478
00:25:27.680 --> 00:25:31.279
I have listed that's going on, Carle also had good

479
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:33.799
things about her as well. I know I've just compounded

480
00:25:33.839 --> 00:25:35.880
all of the troubles, but that's part of the story.

481
00:25:36.119 --> 00:25:39.599
But Ashley wasn't an absolute just demon her. Both of

482
00:25:39.640 --> 00:25:41.880
her parents said that they loved her and that she

483
00:25:41.960 --> 00:25:44.440
was a generally good kid. She just started having, you know,

484
00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.640
problems about fourteen thirteen and twelve thirteen and fourteen. But

485
00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.279
regardless of that, Ashley was trying to do everything for

486
00:25:53.319 --> 00:25:55.880
her child that she could to help her succeed, and

487
00:25:55.920 --> 00:25:59.480
it just seemed that bad decision after bad decision kept compounding.

488
00:25:59.519 --> 00:26:01.200
But what is that's a mother supposed to do when

489
00:26:01.200 --> 00:26:04.480
her child just won't listen? And when they get home,

490
00:26:05.200 --> 00:26:08.000
they pull up into the driveway and they go into

491
00:26:08.000 --> 00:26:11.640
the garage. It's about three fifty five pm whenever the

492
00:26:11.680 --> 00:26:14.200
suv pulls into the car port, and they just go

493
00:26:14.319 --> 00:26:17.960
about their usual afternoon tasks. They get out. You can

494
00:26:18.000 --> 00:26:20.359
see Carly walk around because there's video. You can see

495
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:22.319
Carly get out of the car. She walks around the

496
00:26:22.359 --> 00:26:25.200
front of the car to the front passenger side. She

497
00:26:25.279 --> 00:26:27.440
pulls a bag out of it, just like a little

498
00:26:27.720 --> 00:26:29.799
a small bag of sorts, I don't know, maybe a purse.

499
00:26:30.200 --> 00:26:33.559
And then together they walk inside the kitchen where Ashley

500
00:26:33.680 --> 00:26:36.759
she has a brown booksack looking like a light brown

501
00:26:36.839 --> 00:26:39.880
leather booksack looking thing. Ashley sets that back down on

502
00:26:39.920 --> 00:26:42.519
the ground at the end of the kitchen counter, and

503
00:26:42.519 --> 00:26:44.880
then Ashley takes off her scarf, which she sets down

504
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.200
on the counter as well. And I know this because

505
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:50.359
there was also a camera that was in their kitchen. Now,

506
00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:52.240
the whole house was not rigged with cameras. I don't

507
00:26:52.240 --> 00:26:54.079
want it to seem like that. It was basically just

508
00:26:54.119 --> 00:26:56.799
put on the back door, and the camera had originally

509
00:26:56.799 --> 00:26:59.440
been bought for Heath's mother, but she lived out in

510
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:01.640
the country. The Wi Fi was a problem and she

511
00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:03.519
never ended up being able to use it, so they

512
00:27:03.559 --> 00:27:06.000
decided to take that camera and just use it at

513
00:27:06.039 --> 00:27:07.880
the house. I guess if someone were to break in

514
00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:09.680
or there was a problem, hey, we'll know who walked

515
00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.519
into our house. And then when they get in there

516
00:27:12.559 --> 00:27:15.000
and set their stuff down, Ashley then asked Carly, hey,

517
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:16.920
will you go let the dogs out? Those two beautiful

518
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:21.240
Golden retrievers that she loved so much. Heath's job usually

519
00:27:21.319 --> 00:27:23.599
kept him a little bit later than Ashley and Carley,

520
00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:25.759
like I mentioned, and so he typically would get home

521
00:27:25.799 --> 00:27:30.400
between five and five thirty. Ashley was needing some stuff

522
00:27:30.440 --> 00:27:33.000
from the grocery store and was texting with Heath saying, Hey,

523
00:27:33.039 --> 00:27:34.880
I'm I go to Kroger I believe it was Do

524
00:27:34.880 --> 00:27:36.680
you need things from the store, and they were texting

525
00:27:36.720 --> 00:27:39.440
back and forth. He said yeah, he wanted some like junk,

526
00:27:40.160 --> 00:27:43.079
junk food type stuff, mountain dew, chips, whatever, just the

527
00:27:43.519 --> 00:27:46.079
normal crap we eat. And then a little bit later

528
00:27:46.160 --> 00:27:49.839
Ashley texted and she asked direct quote, what time will

529
00:27:49.839 --> 00:27:52.920
we be home, honey, And that text came out at

530
00:27:52.960 --> 00:27:57.839
four fourteen pm, and he said I'll be at work

531
00:27:57.920 --> 00:27:59.799
for a little while, and then she sent back a

532
00:27:59.799 --> 00:28:03.559
th up. So around five pm he pulls into the

533
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:06.599
driveway and he parks at the furthest point towards the

534
00:28:06.799 --> 00:28:09.799
end of the driveway to the backyard. So when you

535
00:28:09.839 --> 00:28:12.440
pull up their driveway, it goes straight back to the

536
00:28:12.440 --> 00:28:14.839
fence where the backyard is, and then you can turn

537
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:17.839
left into their carport. So he pulls up to the

538
00:28:17.839 --> 00:28:19.839
furthest point at the end of the driveway. He's driving

539
00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.880
a blue truck, and then there's another car parked right

540
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:25.359
next to where he parks the truck, as well as

541
00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:28.960
Ashley's SUV in the open garage where they had gotten

542
00:28:29.079 --> 00:28:31.599
and pulled in earlier. He gets out of his truck

543
00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:34.799
and he walks to the carport door, which leads directly

544
00:28:34.839 --> 00:28:38.119
into a laundry room which is adjacent to the kitchen.

545
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:41.440
So you open the door from the garage, walk into

546
00:28:41.480 --> 00:28:43.839
the laundry room, then open another door and you're stepping

547
00:28:43.920 --> 00:28:46.839
right into the kitchen. So he opened the garage door,

548
00:28:47.279 --> 00:28:50.519
entered the laundry room, kicked off his work shoes right there,

549
00:28:50.759 --> 00:28:53.000
and then he grabs the door knob and he turns

550
00:28:53.039 --> 00:28:55.599
to open turns the knob to open the door, which

551
00:28:55.599 --> 00:28:58.720
would lead directly into the kitchen. He only got it

552
00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:05.240
open about three or four inches before he saw a

553
00:29:05.240 --> 00:29:10.039
a muzzle flash go off in his face and then

554
00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:16.680
boom about a foot from his head. The gun goes off. Now,

555
00:29:17.200 --> 00:29:20.359
it had been a beautiful day, y'all, the bright blue sky.

556
00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:24.400
It was now the late afternoon when Rankin County dispatcher

557
00:29:24.480 --> 00:29:28.240
Kevin Collins answered a call that came to his console,

558
00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:32.640
and when he answered, a very distraught which sounded like

559
00:29:32.680 --> 00:29:36.200
adult female was screaming over the phone and needing help

560
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:40.319
and needing help. Now. She was so distressed, in fact,

561
00:29:40.599 --> 00:29:42.680
that she couldn't even think of her own address as

562
00:29:42.720 --> 00:29:45.079
she was trying to say where she was. And this

563
00:29:45.200 --> 00:29:47.960
is common, y'all, when people are under extreme amounts of duress.

564
00:29:48.599 --> 00:29:50.519
Sometimes you can't even think of the most basically, Sometimes

565
00:29:50.519 --> 00:29:52.000
it's hard to down nine one one, and you've been

566
00:29:52.000 --> 00:29:53.559
trained since you were a kid to down nine one one.

567
00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.119
Sometimes you can't think of, you know, basic things, your name.

568
00:29:57.200 --> 00:30:00.640
Almost so Luckily we have systems in place nine one one,

569
00:30:00.640 --> 00:30:02.680
that the dispatchers are able to locate you and where

570
00:30:02.720 --> 00:30:05.119
you're calling from, even if you can't announce it to them.

571
00:30:05.559 --> 00:30:08.599
So dispatcher Collins verified the call as coming from two

572
00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:13.119
to one four Ashton's way. Now here's that call. But

573
00:30:13.160 --> 00:30:15.519
I want to make a note here. There are no edits,

574
00:30:15.720 --> 00:30:18.680
there's no cutdowns of the call, and so you're just

575
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:24.039
gonna hear pure agony in her voice. But don't be confused,

576
00:30:25.240 --> 00:30:28.960
but this is not a woman. The voice you're hearing

577
00:30:29.559 --> 00:30:35.519
is actually the extremely distressed voice of mister Heath Smiley,

578
00:30:35.920 --> 00:30:37.200
screaming for help.

579
00:31:01.680 --> 00:31:09.400
Can give me say? What does she at?

580
00:31:11.000 --> 00:31:11.200
Heard?

581
00:31:11.279 --> 00:31:11.759
Is you?

582
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:13.519
Fourteen?

583
00:31:14.880 --> 00:31:22.119
Fourteen? Okay, ma'am stay at her phone, or ma'am stay

584
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:22.920
on the phone with me.

585
00:31:23.119 --> 00:31:23.839
Just calm down.

586
00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:24.480
What's your name?

587
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:27.799
What every college?

588
00:31:30.160 --> 00:31:30.559
I mean?

589
00:31:30.759 --> 00:31:31.640
Okay, come down?

590
00:31:31.680 --> 00:31:35.920
When did you get your name again? College?

591
00:31:36.519 --> 00:31:36.720
Eight?

592
00:31:36.920 --> 00:31:40.039
Smiley?

593
00:31:40.680 --> 00:31:41.079
Sir?

594
00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:45.880
Alright, sir? What's your what's your phone number? You call

595
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:46.640
'em me from.

596
00:31:49.039 --> 00:31:49.200
Rover?

597
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:56.519
Does she hit you? Uh?

598
00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:56.839
Yeah?

599
00:31:57.039 --> 00:31:59.039
I got hitting me back a little bit. I'm like,

600
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:01.720
uh okay, so did you.

601
00:32:01.839 --> 00:32:02.720
Graze your neck?

602
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:04.480
This?

603
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:04.880
Sir?

604
00:32:05.839 --> 00:32:08.160
Alright? And what's her name?

605
00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:09.759
Now?

606
00:32:09.920 --> 00:32:11.960
You do work with Carly Gregg.

607
00:32:12.720 --> 00:32:13.519
Carly Gregg?

608
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:18.200
Why does she still have a doing home? I took

609
00:32:18.240 --> 00:32:18.880
her farmers.

610
00:32:18.880 --> 00:32:21.720
She ran to your farmers ran.

611
00:32:23.200 --> 00:32:24.319
D uh?

612
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.279
I didn't I have to do?

613
00:32:27.720 --> 00:32:30.400
She didn't turn me something that I couldn't understand.

614
00:32:32.039 --> 00:32:32.880
I walked the door.

615
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:35.559
See that time. I don't know what's going on.

616
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:42.720
Which way is you want off to?

617
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:46.960
She ran into the backyard.

618
00:32:47.200 --> 00:32:49.799
You won't play the way over up there?

619
00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.319
Ran into the backyard and went over your fence.

620
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:56.759
Alright? What is she?

621
00:32:56.880 --> 00:32:57.319
Uh?

622
00:32:58.680 --> 00:32:58.960
Alright?

623
00:32:59.160 --> 00:32:59.880
What does she wear?

624
00:33:01.519 --> 00:33:02.440
Uh?

625
00:33:02.680 --> 00:33:06.400
Te Sarry ground u uh gray shirt and the James

626
00:33:06.920 --> 00:33:10.359
gray shirt and James about how tall is.

627
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:13.519
Uh? Huh five two?

628
00:33:14.119 --> 00:33:15.039
About five to two?

629
00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:17.880
All the colored hair.

630
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.000
Uh uh bright.

631
00:33:20.799 --> 00:33:26.839
Brownish short got broundish, just shortened hair. I go and

632
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:37.039
show the fire moment there was just screaming, and I

633
00:33:37.160 --> 00:33:40.400
know what they do. You don't just drive the time.

634
00:33:42.480 --> 00:33:43.400
People the world.

635
00:33:45.599 --> 00:33:47.319
Okay, just tell me how I when we got and

636
00:33:47.359 --> 00:33:48.480
we got everybody here.

637
00:33:48.440 --> 00:33:49.240
For uh.

638
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:55.519
Shoes? What killed her?

639
00:33:56.880 --> 00:33:57.559
She killed her?

640
00:33:57.599 --> 00:34:00.279
Mom?

641
00:34:00.400 --> 00:34:00.680
Time?

642
00:34:00.759 --> 00:34:02.119
I come about what.

643
00:34:02.359 --> 00:34:05.440
Works the mon Tell me.

644
00:34:07.160 --> 00:34:10.159
Works?

645
00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:17.920
Sir shirt?

646
00:34:20.519 --> 00:35:08.760
Stir, sir tell John w D sir? I wait.

647
00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:16.119
Wait, sorry for you, sir wo okay, your.

648
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:20.679
Address is two one five correct, there wasn't more to

649
00:35:20.719 --> 00:35:27.679
one four? Say your address is to one poor? Okay, sir,

650
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:31.440
where is your where's your wife?

651
00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.599
She's said on no more of my daughter's step daughter's moon.

652
00:35:36.599 --> 00:35:45.920
She's on the floor in your stepdaughter's room, and.

653
00:35:46.159 --> 00:35:53.280
Uh uh, what's your wife's name? Actually smiling astually smile.

654
00:35:58.440 --> 00:35:58.960
Where are you?

655
00:35:59.199 --> 00:36:00.760
Probably is sir?

656
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:01.880
I need you speak with me?

657
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:02.239
Okay?

658
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:02.960
Can you go out?

659
00:36:03.360 --> 00:36:05.440
Can you go outside the house and speak to me?

660
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:27.119
Okay, okay, Now whether you keep probing going on with

661
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:29.079
your is it your step.

662
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:35.760
Daughter or the step daughter? And I don't know what's

663
00:36:35.800 --> 00:36:41.280
go long The step doctors don quick a little.

664
00:36:41.079 --> 00:36:45.639
While time to work out from rob and not the direct.

665
00:36:50.599 --> 00:37:15.519
Okay, and you say you're you're bi passmen is shot.

666
00:36:56.519 --> 00:36:56.920
I don't know.

667
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:19.239
What I'm gonna let you.

668
00:37:19.280 --> 00:37:19.719
Take with me.

669
00:37:19.760 --> 00:37:22.559
I'm okay, okay.

670
00:37:26.199 --> 00:37:27.760
Now, look, I know that was along. That was a

671
00:37:27.760 --> 00:37:30.000
seven minute call, but I don't want to cut it down.

672
00:37:30.039 --> 00:37:31.199
I wanted to be able to hear it in its

673
00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:33.559
entirety so you can kind of understand the circumstances of

674
00:37:33.559 --> 00:37:36.719
what was going on. But police arrived within seven minutes

675
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:39.639
to take over the situation, which by the way, is average.

676
00:37:39.920 --> 00:37:43.000
So they flew there. So Hunter Lewis, he was a

677
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:46.039
patrol deputy and he had been on the force for

678
00:37:46.159 --> 00:37:49.079
nine years. He was the first officer to respond to

679
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:51.800
the scene. He jumps right out of his vehicle. He

680
00:37:51.920 --> 00:37:53.800
runs straight up to the front door and he tries

681
00:37:53.840 --> 00:37:56.159
to get into it, but it's locked, and so he's

682
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:58.079
banging on the door to be let in, and he

683
00:37:58.079 --> 00:38:00.920
can hear someone screaming from the inside, and he hears

684
00:38:01.000 --> 00:38:04.039
dogs barking. So he's knocking, knocking, knocking on the door.

685
00:38:04.239 --> 00:38:06.639
You know it's me, it's the police. Open up. And

686
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:09.920
then finally Heath comes to the door and he unlocks it.

687
00:38:10.239 --> 00:38:13.559
He comes out and then eventually just falls to the

688
00:38:13.559 --> 00:38:16.440
ground on the porch. Once he saw the cop. He

689
00:38:16.599 --> 00:38:20.559
was shirtless. He was wearing navy pants and socks with

690
00:38:20.760 --> 00:38:23.280
crocs on. Remember he had kicked his shoes off when

691
00:38:23.280 --> 00:38:25.440
he walked into the house. I'm guessing he just threw

692
00:38:25.480 --> 00:38:28.719
his crocks on at some point between the phone call

693
00:38:29.000 --> 00:38:32.199
and the officer arriving. So the officer sees him, but

694
00:38:32.239 --> 00:38:33.760
he still has to go in and kind of figure

695
00:38:33.760 --> 00:38:35.840
out what's going on in the house, considering that the

696
00:38:36.000 --> 00:38:37.880
nonm on one call said that his wife had been shot.

697
00:38:38.119 --> 00:38:42.119
So he runs into the house and he's looking around

698
00:38:42.280 --> 00:38:46.320
and he eventually goes into one of the back bedrooms

699
00:38:46.639 --> 00:38:50.400
and he does in fact find Heath's wife, Ashley, laying

700
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:52.960
on the ground. She's flat on her back, her arms

701
00:38:52.960 --> 00:38:56.480
are crossed over her chest, and she has a towel

702
00:38:56.760 --> 00:38:59.559
over her face, a red towel to be specific, over

703
00:38:59.599 --> 00:39:04.440
her face. So it was kind of odd that her

704
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:07.320
arms would be crossed over her back. No one normally

705
00:39:07.400 --> 00:39:10.440
falls like that, but that's where they were. They were

706
00:39:10.440 --> 00:39:15.079
crossed over. So Deputy Lewis removed the towel to see

707
00:39:15.119 --> 00:39:17.639
what was going on, and he saw once he moved

708
00:39:17.639 --> 00:39:21.119
the towel that Ashley was clearly deceased with multiple bullet

709
00:39:21.119 --> 00:39:24.920
holes in her face. He did check her pulse just

710
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:28.679
in case, but there was none. You know, gunshot wounds

711
00:39:28.679 --> 00:39:30.360
to the face usually are pretty deadly, and that was

712
00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.960
going to be the case here. That he looked around

713
00:39:33.000 --> 00:39:35.559
the room and there was no sign of like a

714
00:39:35.800 --> 00:39:38.239
massive struggle or anything. There was blood spatter on the

715
00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:40.480
TV in the room as well as the blood pooling

716
00:39:40.519 --> 00:39:44.440
around Ashley's head, and he laid the towel back over

717
00:39:44.519 --> 00:39:49.440
Ashley's face when he went back outside. Heath then advised him,

718
00:39:49.760 --> 00:39:52.920
this was my step daughter. My stepdaughter shot me and

719
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:57.440
then she ran. So the deputy radioed out to all

720
00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:00.920
units that fourteen year old Carly Gregg was the suspect

721
00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:05.760
in this shooting, and he then further explained, look, when

722
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.320
the shot went off, I grabbed the gun. I wrestled

723
00:40:08.360 --> 00:40:10.760
the gun from her and it's on the counter in there.

724
00:40:10.760 --> 00:40:14.000
There's still one bullet in the chamber, and oh my god,

725
00:40:14.079 --> 00:40:18.239
you know I've been shot. So fourteen year old Carly

726
00:40:18.360 --> 00:40:22.320
Madison greg was the culprit in a double shooting of

727
00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:25.960
her own parents. You know, how could this be? And

728
00:40:26.559 --> 00:40:29.440
if it's true, it's pretty freaking crazy that a fourteen

729
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:33.719
year old would shoot their parents. So detective arrived on scene.

730
00:40:33.719 --> 00:40:37.280
Detectives came, and it's a nice home. It's a white house.

731
00:40:37.280 --> 00:40:39.920
It's got reddish brown brick, it's got white posts in

732
00:40:39.960 --> 00:40:43.760
the front, a real pretty neutral gray door, and it's

733
00:40:43.840 --> 00:40:47.079
in a middle class neighborhood. The inside of the home

734
00:40:47.199 --> 00:40:51.599
is neat and orderly. Everyday life obviously happened in the house,

735
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.639
but the home was well kept the walls were painted

736
00:40:54.679 --> 00:40:56.800
in light colors. The sun was kind of beaming in

737
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:01.320
through the windows, and the home honestly looked in if

738
00:41:01.360 --> 00:41:04.679
you didn't know what horrors awaited just inside the adjacent

739
00:41:04.760 --> 00:41:08.400
room to that living room. So there's officers arriving, they're

740
00:41:08.440 --> 00:41:11.000
going throughout the house and checking it out. And something

741
00:41:11.000 --> 00:41:13.199
that stood out to me when I was there's bodycam.

742
00:41:13.599 --> 00:41:16.440
When I was watching the body cam is that when

743
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.639
the officers were processing the scene, there was one officer

744
00:41:19.679 --> 00:41:21.960
who showed up who obviously pulled rank. He had rank

745
00:41:22.000 --> 00:41:24.440
over everybody, and he comes in and they're kind of

746
00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:27.239
talking about what to do, and he was instructing every

747
00:41:27.239 --> 00:41:29.199
other officer what he wanted them to do while they

748
00:41:29.239 --> 00:41:31.599
were searching the home, and he said, I want the

749
00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:35.039
whole home searched for possible weapons. But then he said

750
00:41:35.599 --> 00:41:39.920
very politely searched. And this may not mean anything to

751
00:41:39.960 --> 00:41:42.639
anyone else, but I guess this is my nod to

752
00:41:42.719 --> 00:41:45.400
law enforcement and the care that they try to show

753
00:41:45.400 --> 00:41:47.519
when they're invading in people's lives in the middle of

754
00:41:47.519 --> 00:41:49.280
a tragedy, that he would say I want it very

755
00:41:49.280 --> 00:41:52.800
politely searched, meaning don't destroy these people's homes. But you've

756
00:41:52.840 --> 00:41:55.719
got to go clear it. The Smilies were nice people.

757
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.079
They had the same problems as all of us, but

758
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:02.199
now things had taken a deadly turn. What was going on?

759
00:42:02.719 --> 00:42:05.880
So the medics arrived within minutes as well as you know,

760
00:42:05.920 --> 00:42:08.199
when the deputies did, and they end up bloating Heath

761
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.119
onto a gurney and the officers kind of continue to

762
00:42:11.199 --> 00:42:14.400
question him while he's being carted off, and Heath explained

763
00:42:14.719 --> 00:42:16.880
that when he opened the door, the gun went off.

764
00:42:17.039 --> 00:42:20.360
He just instinctively grabbed the gun as it went off,

765
00:42:20.559 --> 00:42:22.360
and it continued to go off. He said, it shot

766
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.079
two more times. He wrestled it from Carly and it

767
00:42:26.559 --> 00:42:29.199
he finally got it away from her, and he said,

768
00:42:29.320 --> 00:42:31.719
you know, I never felt the round when it hit me,

769
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.159
but it had gone into his shoulder, his right shoulder,

770
00:42:36.239 --> 00:42:40.559
the trap muscle and y'all very close proximity to his head,

771
00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:44.280
super close, but he never felt it. Likely the adrenaline,

772
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.199
but he was confused and he was scared in the moment,

773
00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.119
and he couldn't understand why Carly would have shot him.

774
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:53.599
He says, she was screaming out of her mind. He said,

775
00:42:53.679 --> 00:42:55.599
you know, she looked scared. She looked like she had

776
00:42:55.599 --> 00:42:58.800
seen a demon and the look she had was a

777
00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:01.039
look that he said he had never seen on her

778
00:43:01.079 --> 00:43:03.760
face before. And he just described it as as just

779
00:43:03.840 --> 00:43:07.440
utterly terrified and so unsure of what was going on,

780
00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:09.400
and wrapped up in the moment of just being shot

781
00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:14.239
and Carly acting insane, he thought in his split second

782
00:43:14.320 --> 00:43:16.519
mind that there must be an intruder in the house.

783
00:43:16.880 --> 00:43:19.639
Carly thought that he was the intruder coming back for her,

784
00:43:19.880 --> 00:43:23.119
and so he shot her when he accidentally mistake, you know,

785
00:43:23.320 --> 00:43:25.840
mistook her for the bad guy coming back. That's kind

786
00:43:25.880 --> 00:43:27.880
of what he deduced in his mind in that split second.

787
00:43:28.559 --> 00:43:31.679
So he was asked, you know where would Carly have

788
00:43:31.760 --> 00:43:34.119
gotten this gun from? He said, well, that's our gun.

789
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:37.039
It's normally kept on Ashley's side of the bed between

790
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:40.320
the mattress and the bedframe, and there were some cubbies

791
00:43:40.320 --> 00:43:42.639
there that they had built for storage, and he said,

792
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:45.320
it's been there for years. So why did Ashley have

793
00:43:45.360 --> 00:43:47.679
that gun? I'm sure you want to know. Well, number one,

794
00:43:47.679 --> 00:43:49.400
it's America and you can have a fucking gun if

795
00:43:49.440 --> 00:43:52.400
you want one. But number two, she had the gun

796
00:43:52.639 --> 00:43:55.880
because she was terrified of her ex husband and she

797
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.440
wanted it in case he showed up. She was very

798
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:00.679
scared of him. But they had a her guns too.

799
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:06.400
There was an unloaded shotgun, a Camo shotgun in their closet.

800
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:09.559
He had. Heath had an ar again, it was unloaded.

801
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:11.239
It was in the closet. They had another gun in

802
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:14.840
the safe. And this wasn't something that Carl wouldn't have

803
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.679
been aware of. They would shoot guns together, the parents

804
00:44:17.679 --> 00:44:20.480
went and they would go, you know, practice shooting. Carly

805
00:44:20.599 --> 00:44:22.480
never really showed interest in it at all. I know

806
00:44:22.519 --> 00:44:24.239
Heath had tried to take her one time. She wouldn't.

807
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.159
It just wasn't for her. So once he took the

808
00:44:27.159 --> 00:44:30.760
gun from Carly, he said he then went through the

809
00:44:30.800 --> 00:44:33.719
house to clear it because he was looking for an intruder.

810
00:44:33.760 --> 00:44:36.599
He thought someone else was there when she had shot

811
00:44:36.639 --> 00:44:39.559
at him, though, she said. He said she fell backwards

812
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.079
towards the kitchen island, like where her mom's bag was,

813
00:44:42.719 --> 00:44:46.000
and she fell back onto her butt, and she was

814
00:44:46.039 --> 00:44:48.559
screaming like a wild woman. And then she got up

815
00:44:48.599 --> 00:44:51.559
and tore off out of the house. So he just

816
00:44:51.599 --> 00:44:53.559
turned around and locked the door behind her when she

817
00:44:53.639 --> 00:44:56.159
took off, and he said, I just went through the

818
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.079
house to go clear it, and he said, Carly looked

819
00:44:59.519 --> 00:45:02.519
clearly off. The way she was acting was not what

820
00:45:02.559 --> 00:45:06.039
I had ever seen before. So he opened the gun.

821
00:45:06.440 --> 00:45:09.320
It was a revolver. He popped the gun open. He

822
00:45:09.360 --> 00:45:11.800
looked in the cylinder and he said it still had

823
00:45:11.840 --> 00:45:14.119
one live round in it, but it was a seven

824
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.480
shot weapon. Only three shots had been fired at him,

825
00:45:17.880 --> 00:45:20.480
and he knew the gun had been full, so that

826
00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:26.360
left four shots unaccounted for, but not for long, because

827
00:45:26.599 --> 00:45:29.360
as he was going through the house, he saw Ashley's

828
00:45:29.360 --> 00:45:31.760
phone on the counter, and then he saw another phone

829
00:45:32.199 --> 00:45:34.519
next to it, kind of as he went by, he

830
00:45:34.559 --> 00:45:38.199
went and cleared their bedroom closet, He went in their bathroom,

831
00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:40.639
He went into a spare room that they had, which

832
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.519
was a room where they had like workout equipment and

833
00:45:42.559 --> 00:45:45.360
just like spare stuff. And then he finally went into

834
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:48.320
Carly's room, and that's to his shock where he found

835
00:45:48.440 --> 00:45:50.840
Ashley laying on the ground. He said again her arms

836
00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:52.920
were crossed over her chest, and he said, there was

837
00:45:52.960 --> 00:45:55.719
a towel on her face. He quickly checked her pulse.

838
00:45:56.039 --> 00:45:58.519
He moved the towel. He said, I could see that

839
00:45:58.559 --> 00:46:00.719
she had been shot in the right side of her face.

840
00:46:01.039 --> 00:46:05.199
That's when I freaked out and I dialed nine one one.

841
00:46:05.280 --> 00:46:08.000
After all of this information was given, that's when Heath

842
00:46:08.039 --> 00:46:10.760
really started to go into shock. The ambulance took him

843
00:46:10.960 --> 00:46:14.960
and they took him to Baptist hospital Er. Now, before

844
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.000
he was rolled off, he was and it's very clear,

845
00:46:17.039 --> 00:46:19.000
with very shaky hands, he was able to pull his

846
00:46:19.079 --> 00:46:21.480
wallet out and get his license for the police officer.

847
00:46:21.719 --> 00:46:26.000
Although he was horrendously distressed and wounded, he was able

848
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:27.719
to give his license to the officer so they could

849
00:46:27.760 --> 00:46:30.639
id them I d him at least. The officers then

850
00:46:30.679 --> 00:46:32.760
did the cliche thing you see in the movies where

851
00:46:32.800 --> 00:46:34.639
they taped off the house from the cop car to

852
00:46:34.719 --> 00:46:38.559
the trees, and then the search was on where was

853
00:46:38.639 --> 00:46:43.360
carly So Sheriff's Office investigator Tyler Burnell was on scene,

854
00:46:43.920 --> 00:46:46.800
and the reason he had come on scene so quickly

855
00:46:46.880 --> 00:46:48.840
was that when he heard the nine to one dispatch

856
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.960
go out, the dispatcher was asking for any units that

857
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.159
were working the north end of the county to respond

858
00:46:54.199 --> 00:46:57.519
to a possible disturbance with a possible shooting. So he

859
00:46:57.599 --> 00:47:00.199
lit up his unit lights and sirens and he went

860
00:47:00.239 --> 00:47:03.920
straight that direction, and the dispatcher continued to update him

861
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:06.880
while he was flying to the scene. So he gets

862
00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.280
there just as Heath was being loaded into the ambulance.

863
00:47:09.480 --> 00:47:12.440
He was trying to get updated on the situation, so

864
00:47:12.480 --> 00:47:15.280
he got quickly briefed by other officers. He then immediately

865
00:47:15.320 --> 00:47:17.840
grabbed his camera and then he grabbed his gloves so

866
00:47:17.880 --> 00:47:19.599
that he could go into the house and start assessing

867
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.320
the scene. Yes, investigators do wear gloves. They're trying to

868
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:26.760
avoid the touch DNA while they're documenting the scene. Even y'all,

869
00:47:26.800 --> 00:47:28.920
even when you just speak, you know, DNA comes out

870
00:47:28.920 --> 00:47:31.320
of your mouth and lands on things. So it's important

871
00:47:31.320 --> 00:47:34.360
that they wear gloves. And he started photographing the scene

872
00:47:34.639 --> 00:47:38.360
like they do from the outside in. So whenever a

873
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.280
scene is being photographed, it's usually taken in a three

874
00:47:41.360 --> 00:47:45.079
hundred and sixty degree like overlapping pattern so that they

875
00:47:45.079 --> 00:47:48.679
can try to get everything in a continuous photo, if

876
00:47:48.719 --> 00:47:51.280
that makes sense. And so his first picture was of

877
00:47:51.320 --> 00:47:53.679
the front of the house that included the mailbox. And

878
00:47:53.760 --> 00:47:56.000
sometimes you'll see when they take photos, they'll get a

879
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:57.719
front shot of the house to id it and you

880
00:47:57.719 --> 00:47:59.840
can see, you know, the address if it's on the home.

881
00:48:00.480 --> 00:48:03.679
And then another photograph was taken of the two phones

882
00:48:03.719 --> 00:48:05.800
that Heath had mentioned that were on the table. There

883
00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:07.920
was a white one and a black one, and that

884
00:48:08.039 --> 00:48:10.679
white phone was later determined to be Ashley's and the

885
00:48:10.679 --> 00:48:13.280
black one was determined to be Carly's, and they were

886
00:48:13.360 --> 00:48:16.840
right next to one another. He also photographed other things

887
00:48:16.840 --> 00:48:20.239
like the other guns in the home, and also he

888
00:48:20.400 --> 00:48:27.840
found four boxes of thhc vatepins in the home. So

889
00:48:27.920 --> 00:48:31.679
the photograph that was rather interesting though to everyone, came

890
00:48:31.719 --> 00:48:35.039
from the kitchen where, amongst other items like there was

891
00:48:35.079 --> 00:48:37.519
a dog kennel and some other things, there was a

892
00:48:37.559 --> 00:48:42.519
white USB chord hanging like a USB style cord hanging down,

893
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:44.679
but it was unknown what it was plugged into because

894
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.519
there was nothing there, but it clearly had been plugged

895
00:48:47.519 --> 00:48:51.639
into something up on the wall. They would later realize

896
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:54.360
that that was the camera that used to be there.

897
00:48:54.360 --> 00:48:56.039
That was the chord that used to be plugged into

898
00:48:56.079 --> 00:48:59.519
that wise security camera system, but it was gone. The

899
00:48:59.559 --> 00:49:03.519
camera wasn't there. He also took photos of the multiple

900
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:07.480
gunshot holes in the sheet rock, including one in the

901
00:49:07.519 --> 00:49:11.039
laundry room into the wall, and it's next to like

902
00:49:11.079 --> 00:49:14.239
a yellow bag, and it follows along with exactly what

903
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:17.480
Heath had said was happening, that these shots were being

904
00:49:17.519 --> 00:49:19.599
fired and you can see them kind of wildly as

905
00:49:19.639 --> 00:49:24.079
they go through the wall in a kind of upward trajectory.

906
00:49:26.079 --> 00:49:28.719
Two of the rounds went actually straight through the walls

907
00:49:28.800 --> 00:49:31.760
ended up in the outside of the car port. One

908
00:49:31.760 --> 00:49:33.760
of them actually hit Ashley's the rack on the top

909
00:49:33.800 --> 00:49:36.559
of Ashley's car and it just obliterated. Another one just

910
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.320
kind of lost velocity and fell and landed and rolled

911
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:42.679
near the vehicle. And after he photographed it all, he

912
00:49:42.760 --> 00:49:44.639
drew up a rough sketch of the home, which is

913
00:49:44.679 --> 00:49:46.960
typical they'll use so that when they go to court

914
00:49:47.039 --> 00:49:49.199
or if there's a court case, that it's very clear

915
00:49:49.400 --> 00:49:51.559
as they're in their report where they're going and what

916
00:49:51.599 --> 00:49:55.519
they're doing. About that same time, units police units were

917
00:49:55.559 --> 00:49:58.480
being sent out and they were canvassing the area and

918
00:49:58.519 --> 00:50:00.559
all were looking for that fourteen year old Carly who

919
00:50:00.559 --> 00:50:03.880
had fled on foot, and presumptively, since she was on foot,

920
00:50:04.000 --> 00:50:05.679
she couldn't have gotten that far. I mean, we're only

921
00:50:05.679 --> 00:50:08.320
talking seven or ten minutes after the initial call to

922
00:50:08.440 --> 00:50:12.000
nine one one. So officers showed up in droves immediately

923
00:50:12.079 --> 00:50:16.280
checking the scene. Some are processing, some are searching. Heath

924
00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:19.760
had said Carly ran out the back door, but officers

925
00:50:19.800 --> 00:50:22.920
still weren't certain if anyone was still in the home

926
00:50:23.039 --> 00:50:25.119
or not, because they hadn't been able to clear the house,

927
00:50:25.119 --> 00:50:26.800
and they didn't okay, did she come back in? And

928
00:50:26.840 --> 00:50:29.599
is she hiding? Is she gonna, you know, ambush us

929
00:50:29.639 --> 00:50:32.719
at some point? Maybe she's under a bed. So the

930
00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:35.360
radio chatter was a buzz the entire time. It's giving

931
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:39.800
out Ashley's description, and officers are making tactical decisions because

932
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:41.440
they can't just run in their balls to the wall.

933
00:50:41.440 --> 00:50:43.239
They still have to assume that there's a bad guy

934
00:50:43.239 --> 00:50:45.960
in the house. And so the officers continue throughout the

935
00:50:46.000 --> 00:50:49.880
home and they're piecing things together and something else I

936
00:50:49.920 --> 00:50:52.719
wanted to say, and it's these tender moments, these small

937
00:50:52.760 --> 00:50:54.639
things that maybe don't matter to a lot of people,

938
00:50:54.679 --> 00:50:58.079
but they matter to me. The officers, when they're on

939
00:50:58.159 --> 00:51:01.599
body cam talking about the scene, they continued to refer

940
00:51:01.639 --> 00:51:04.400
to Ashley not as the dead woman in the room.

941
00:51:04.840 --> 00:51:08.639
They referred to Ashley as mom. And in every conversations

942
00:51:08.679 --> 00:51:11.519
that's how they addressed her. They would say things like, hey,

943
00:51:11.559 --> 00:51:14.880
Mom's in that back room, and you know that's mama,

944
00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:19.599
we're looking for daughter, and something in it was just tender,

945
00:51:20.159 --> 00:51:22.840
and it was like all of these men, these you know,

946
00:51:23.039 --> 00:51:26.239
muscular manly men and their uniforms and their guns and

947
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:30.719
all that. They behaved so fatherly on the scene. And

948
00:51:30.719 --> 00:51:33.239
if you've never experienced something like this, it's interesting to

949
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:35.039
listen to and to watch if you want to really

950
00:51:35.039 --> 00:51:37.519
hear the caliber of people that are on these scenes.

951
00:51:38.119 --> 00:51:41.360
So an officer was patrolling and was searching for Carly

952
00:51:41.760 --> 00:51:43.840
and he turned onto a street I believe it was

953
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:47.199
called Farmington Street, and as he turned, he kind of

954
00:51:47.400 --> 00:51:49.519
looked to his right, he had a canine in the back.

955
00:51:49.599 --> 00:51:52.199
Canin's name was Voodoo. Shout out. That's a Southern thing.

956
00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:52.719
I like it.

957
00:51:54.039 --> 00:51:56.960
But the Voodoo was kind of whining and looking out

958
00:51:57.000 --> 00:51:58.960
of the window, and so he kind of just turned

959
00:51:59.079 --> 00:52:01.920
to his right just by chance, and there he saw

960
00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:06.719
a girl matching the exact description of Carly, just standing there.

961
00:52:07.920 --> 00:52:11.840
And so she was soaking wet too, which was weird.

962
00:52:12.119 --> 00:52:14.679
So the officer jumped out, even blocked traffic. He didn't

963
00:52:14.679 --> 00:52:16.480
stop say hi, by kiss my ass, nothing, He just

964
00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:18.360
jumped out of the car and he ran up to

965
00:52:18.400 --> 00:52:19.920
her and he said were you just involved in a

966
00:52:19.960 --> 00:52:24.599
shooting over there? And the little girl says, yes, yes,

967
00:52:24.639 --> 00:52:29.880
and I'm sorry. She was wet, by the way, because

968
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:32.360
she had climbed down into a sewage drain, a storm

969
00:52:32.440 --> 00:52:35.000
drain at one point, trying to hide, and that's ultimately

970
00:52:35.039 --> 00:52:38.880
why she had been wet. Now, something I do want

971
00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:40.440
to point out to you is when the officer said,

972
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.199
were you just involved in a shooting over there? And

973
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:45.320
she said, yeah, I'm sorry. She never once asked about

974
00:52:45.320 --> 00:52:49.599
her mom. She did say, is my stepdad okay? But

975
00:52:50.239 --> 00:52:52.559
I don't feel like she was really caring about her stepdad.

976
00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.320
She obviously didn't care to ask about her mom. But logically,

977
00:52:55.320 --> 00:52:57.320
to me, it's because she knew her mother was dead.

978
00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:01.599
She had just blown her brains out, she put a

979
00:53:01.679 --> 00:53:03.920
rag over her mother's bullet riddled face. I mean she

980
00:53:03.960 --> 00:53:05.639
I'm pretty sure she knew the answer to that already.

981
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:07.679
Why would she ask? To me, it seemed like she

982
00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:09.639
asked about her stepfather and was he okay because she

983
00:53:09.639 --> 00:53:11.239
wanted to know she had killed him or not because

984
00:53:11.239 --> 00:53:13.239
that would affect the story that she might would give.

985
00:53:13.480 --> 00:53:15.400
Now that's just in the moment, that's how I feel.

986
00:53:15.639 --> 00:53:19.320
But kind of seemed like that was what was going on.

987
00:53:20.679 --> 00:53:23.320
So he grabs her, he puts her, takes her into custody,

988
00:53:23.519 --> 00:53:24.960
and he puts her in the back of his unit,

989
00:53:25.119 --> 00:53:27.519
and he takes her right back to the house. And

990
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.880
so they confirm her identity, and then the officer promptly

991
00:53:30.880 --> 00:53:33.440
does a GSR test or a gunshot residue test on

992
00:53:33.480 --> 00:53:35.599
her hands, so if she actually was the one that

993
00:53:35.639 --> 00:53:39.360
fired the weapon, this test would prove it. Meanwhile, at

994
00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:44.000
the hospital, Heath had arrived and like I had told

995
00:53:44.039 --> 00:53:46.960
you before, his gunshot wound was through and through. They

996
00:53:47.079 --> 00:53:49.119
checked him out. It was such a clean shot through

997
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:51.480
that all they really did was put gaus on it.

998
00:53:51.519 --> 00:53:55.119
There was no stitches or anything necessary. And once he

999
00:53:55.199 --> 00:53:58.000
was checked out and they just saw that one shot,

1000
00:53:58.320 --> 00:53:59.960
he was then eventually no, you know, it takes hours

1001
00:54:00.039 --> 00:54:02.239
at the hospital, but he was eventually cleared and allowed

1002
00:54:02.280 --> 00:54:06.400
to go home. Now, considering his entire life had just

1003
00:54:06.519 --> 00:54:09.880
changed in the literal blink of an eye, it's almost

1004
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:14.400
pitiful how he was released from the hospital and by

1005
00:54:14.400 --> 00:54:17.119
the time he got home, the police had already cleared

1006
00:54:17.119 --> 00:54:22.199
out and he returned home to an empty house where

1007
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:26.360
just hours before, his family once lived and they loved

1008
00:54:26.400 --> 00:54:31.280
together there and now he was just alone in the silence.

1009
00:54:32.159 --> 00:54:34.599
And the reason I bring that up is, I remember

1010
00:54:34.599 --> 00:54:36.800
when my friend Heidi was murdered. I didn't want to

1011
00:54:36.800 --> 00:54:40.559
believe it, and I immediately jumped in my car. I

1012
00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:42.880
flew down the interstate. It took me twenty two minutes

1013
00:54:42.920 --> 00:54:46.239
to get there, and I turned into our neighborhood. I

1014
00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.920
made the turns, and I just remember making a rite

1015
00:54:49.599 --> 00:54:51.960
and pulling up in front of her house, and I

1016
00:54:52.000 --> 00:54:54.920
could tell something was different the second that I pulled

1017
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:58.199
up to it. Most notably, all the doors were open

1018
00:54:58.280 --> 00:55:01.840
on her house, and I I knew. I just knew

1019
00:55:02.559 --> 00:55:07.840
instantly that it had to be true, because why would

1020
00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.119
all of the doors on her house be open. I

1021
00:55:10.199 --> 00:55:12.280
later found out it's because a swat team had to

1022
00:55:12.280 --> 00:55:14.000
come in, And that's a story I'm going to tell

1023
00:55:14.039 --> 00:55:18.320
another day. But you just knew looking at the house

1024
00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:21.519
that life was different and I was just a friend.

1025
00:55:22.320 --> 00:55:25.400
I just can feel for him pulling back up. I

1026
00:55:25.400 --> 00:55:27.800
can imagine him walking into the home where the remnants

1027
00:55:28.159 --> 00:55:32.480
of his wife's just gruesome murder remained. I mean, her

1028
00:55:32.519 --> 00:55:34.000
body was gone, but you know, he walked back in

1029
00:55:34.039 --> 00:55:35.400
that room and saw that blood on the wall and

1030
00:55:35.440 --> 00:55:39.480
on the TV and on the ground. So the night

1031
00:55:39.760 --> 00:55:43.199
came and went, and at some point the next day,

1032
00:55:43.239 --> 00:55:46.639
Heath decided to go look at the video camera footage

1033
00:55:47.000 --> 00:55:49.159
of the garage. And he didn't know what he was

1034
00:55:49.199 --> 00:55:50.960
looking for. He just went to go look to see

1035
00:55:51.000 --> 00:55:53.000
if maybe there was something that might help in the

1036
00:55:53.039 --> 00:55:55.480
investigation of what the hell had just happened at his home.

1037
00:55:56.719 --> 00:55:59.880
And what he realized quickly was that the police had

1038
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:02.840
missed that camera. They didn't even know that camera was there.

1039
00:56:03.639 --> 00:56:04.079
So to his.

1040
00:56:04.079 --> 00:56:09.760
Surprise, it caught all the footage of that afternoon, and

1041
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:13.519
so he called the police immediately and said, hey, y'all

1042
00:56:13.519 --> 00:56:16.000
miss this. There's an SD card, right and if you

1043
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:17.480
want to come get it, you can have it. I'll

1044
00:56:17.519 --> 00:56:19.280
give you its contents and you can kind of see

1045
00:56:19.840 --> 00:56:24.000
what all I was saying went on. Now, much to

1046
00:56:24.039 --> 00:56:28.280
his horror, he had on video the visual of him

1047
00:56:28.519 --> 00:56:31.920
walking into the home, and it also caught the audio

1048
00:56:32.599 --> 00:56:35.480
of the shots fired. And you just hear this guttural

1049
00:56:35.599 --> 00:56:40.559
screaming ah ah, and then you hear Heath yell, what's

1050
00:56:40.559 --> 00:56:44.880
the matter. So instead of me just explaining it to you,

1051
00:56:45.280 --> 00:56:48.119
I've got it. Right here for you. I'm gonna play it.

1052
00:56:48.119 --> 00:56:50.320
It is home audio, so it's not the best quality,

1053
00:56:50.519 --> 00:56:52.280
but I want you to give it a listen yourself.

1054
00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.000
You heard that. And then when reviewing the tape, he'th

1055
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.599
wanted to save the video, right, He didn't want anything

1056
00:57:13.599 --> 00:57:16.440
to happen to it, so he copied it to his computer, which,

1057
00:57:16.480 --> 00:57:18.880
by the way, it was a brand new computer that

1058
00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:20.239
he had. It was the first time that he had

1059
00:57:20.239 --> 00:57:23.199
ever done a transfer of the video or a video

1060
00:57:23.400 --> 00:57:26.480
on that computer, and in his effort to copy and

1061
00:57:26.639 --> 00:57:30.559
paste the video into the computer, he accidentally clicked cut

1062
00:57:30.559 --> 00:57:36.519
and paste, which kind of rose raised suspicions of the

1063
00:57:36.559 --> 00:57:39.039
investigators when they got there, because it just looked odd,

1064
00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:41.440
you know, had he tried to edit the video in

1065
00:57:41.480 --> 00:57:44.000
some way? Why did he cut it? But the reality

1066
00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:46.119
after it was all said and done, was that it

1067
00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:48.840
was the new computer. He hadn't worked it yet, and

1068
00:57:48.920 --> 00:57:51.760
so he just didn't realize that he h had cut

1069
00:57:51.920 --> 00:57:54.320
paste instead of copy paste. But he had not edited

1070
00:57:54.320 --> 00:57:57.639
the video in any way. And the police realized, you know,

1071
00:57:57.679 --> 00:58:00.719
this was just a genuine mistake, but they did kind

1072
00:58:00.719 --> 00:58:04.400
of chastise him and say, you know, man, next time,

1073
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:08.000
don't touch anything. Just call us because you know you

1074
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.320
could be charged with tampering with evidence since you were

1075
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.119
trying to make a copy of this anyway, which we

1076
00:58:14.199 --> 00:58:16.440
understand you want to copy, but you need to let

1077
00:58:16.519 --> 00:58:19.400
us do the investigation and not touch anything. Well, Heath

1078
00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:22.000
took that personal and he was like, I'm trying to

1079
00:58:22.000 --> 00:58:24.119
be helpful, and now you're making it seem like I've

1080
00:58:24.119 --> 00:58:25.639
done something wrong or that I may be in trouble.

1081
00:58:25.639 --> 00:58:27.480
And so he went and he did retain a lawyer

1082
00:58:27.760 --> 00:58:31.960
at that moment. He also then started tearing his house

1083
00:58:32.039 --> 00:58:35.519
completely apart looking for that kitchen camera, but y'all, he

1084
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:37.639
couldn't find it, and he couldn't understand where it was

1085
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.159
because police didn't have it either. And he even went

1086
00:58:41.199 --> 00:58:43.320
to the extent of digging through all of the clothes.

1087
00:58:43.519 --> 00:58:45.199
He even looked in the shoes in the house to

1088
00:58:45.239 --> 00:58:47.760
see if maybe the SD card was in shoes. He

1089
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.559
dug through every piece of their trash trying to see

1090
00:58:50.599 --> 00:58:52.559
did to get thrown away because their trash was coming

1091
00:58:52.559 --> 00:58:55.280
on Friday before he threw the trash out, but he

1092
00:58:55.320 --> 00:58:57.719
couldn't find it, and the police were adamant, we don't

1093
00:58:57.760 --> 00:59:01.079
have the camera. They had even searched the yard for it.

1094
00:59:01.400 --> 00:59:04.119
Police couldn't find it anywhere. All they knew was that

1095
00:59:04.159 --> 00:59:06.760
white cord was still hanging by the dog kennel, but

1096
00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:10.320
no one knew where the camera was. Days went by,

1097
00:59:11.360 --> 00:59:15.239
and you know, whenever a tragedy happens, people will bring

1098
00:59:15.599 --> 00:59:19.280
food in droves to come help you out, especially when

1099
00:59:19.320 --> 00:59:21.679
you just lost your wife and now your stepdaughter has

1100
00:59:21.719 --> 00:59:25.000
been arrested and taken into custody. I'm sure people were just,

1101
00:59:25.239 --> 00:59:28.320
you know, so concerned for him. Well, after the days

1102
00:59:28.360 --> 00:59:31.519
went by, the fridge was so full that he decided,

1103
00:59:31.519 --> 00:59:33.079
I need to clean some of this out because there's

1104
00:59:33.159 --> 00:59:36.159
you know, it's too much. And so as he's pulling

1105
00:59:36.199 --> 00:59:39.840
things out and throwing them away, lo and behold, if

1106
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.760
he didn't look in the very back of his refrigerator,

1107
00:59:42.840 --> 00:59:46.440
behind some food and some water bottles, there was the

1108
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.119
missing camera from the kitchen. Now he's no idiot. He

1109
00:59:51.239 --> 00:59:53.360
was scared to death. He didn't even touch it. He

1110
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.960
shut the fridge. He called the police because after that

1111
00:59:56.000 --> 00:59:59.719
computer incident, he didn't want any trouble. And they came

1112
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.719
and they picked up the camera from the refrigerator, which

1113
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:06.800
by the way, isn't that crazy. If you remember in

1114
01:00:06.840 --> 01:00:11.039
the episode where the it was believed that the dad

1115
01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:16.760
killed the boyfriend, they found the wallet and all that stuff,

1116
01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:19.280
remember days later in his refrigerator if you even know

1117
01:00:19.320 --> 01:00:20.599
what I'm talking about. But I'm not going to do

1118
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:22.800
a spoiler alert alert in case you're a new listener,

1119
01:00:22.800 --> 01:00:25.800
you can go back and you'll hear it whenever you

1120
01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:28.119
you know, you get to it. It's the Zachari Anderson case.

1121
01:00:29.280 --> 01:00:32.400
So the police got the video and they loaded the

1122
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.960
card into the computer and what it showed is both

1123
01:00:37.159 --> 01:00:42.039
horrifying in action, but emotionally it's traumatizing too. It's like

1124
01:00:42.079 --> 01:00:44.360
a train wreck and you just can't stop it, but

1125
01:00:44.400 --> 01:00:47.280
you can't stop watching either. You want to scream so

1126
01:00:47.440 --> 01:00:50.559
bad when you're watching this video, you know Ron, Ashley, Ron,

1127
01:00:50.920 --> 01:00:53.679
You want to scream at her so bad, but you can't,

1128
01:00:54.360 --> 01:00:57.199
and the reality of what's to come can't be stopped,

1129
01:00:57.480 --> 01:01:01.840
so you just sit and you just watch as it unfolds.

1130
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:06.079
So they press play and you see both Carle and

1131
01:01:06.079 --> 01:01:08.519
Ashley enter into the house and like I told you,

1132
01:01:08.760 --> 01:01:11.960
Ashley sets down her bag on the ground on the counter.

1133
01:01:12.039 --> 01:01:14.320
She takes off her scarf and then she turns and

1134
01:01:14.360 --> 01:01:17.079
she asks Ashley to let the dogs out, which Ashley

1135
01:01:17.079 --> 01:01:21.800
immediately does. Ashley, then, knowing the layout of the home

1136
01:01:21.880 --> 01:01:24.760
from that detective's drawing, Okay, you walk into the kitchen,

1137
01:01:25.159 --> 01:01:29.000
Carley's room would have been to the right of the camera.

1138
01:01:29.400 --> 01:01:32.719
Ashley in Heath's room would have been to the left. Well.

1139
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:38.559
When Carle goes outside and lets the dogs out, she

1140
01:01:39.599 --> 01:01:42.760
comes back in the house for a second, and Ashley

1141
01:01:43.199 --> 01:01:45.599
has taken a right and gone back to where Carle's

1142
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:48.159
room would be, and you see Carlely kind of pacing

1143
01:01:48.159 --> 01:01:50.280
a little bit. She keeps fidgeting with her bangs, like

1144
01:01:50.320 --> 01:01:52.119
trying to fix her bangs. It's almost kind of like

1145
01:01:52.119 --> 01:01:57.639
a little fidgety nervousness of the bangs. And Carley then

1146
01:01:58.280 --> 01:02:01.360
went back outside with the dogs. And after that happens

1147
01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:04.039
a little while later. Ashley comes back from the back

1148
01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.719
and she's texting on her phone. You can see it happening,

1149
01:02:07.039 --> 01:02:09.760
and she walks to the back door. She opens the

1150
01:02:09.760 --> 01:02:11.960
blinds on the back door and then she kind of

1151
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:14.199
peeks out and you can tell she's glancing out and

1152
01:02:14.239 --> 01:02:17.519
seeing what Carly is doing. And she then returns back

1153
01:02:17.639 --> 01:02:20.559
to the bedroom again. She does come back out and

1154
01:02:20.599 --> 01:02:22.880
goes back in a couple more times, but ultimately she

1155
01:02:22.960 --> 01:02:26.119
ends up back in Carly's room. And then at one

1156
01:02:26.119 --> 01:02:28.679
point she comes back out of where Carly's room would be,

1157
01:02:28.920 --> 01:02:31.719
and she's holding something in her hand, which looks like

1158
01:02:31.800 --> 01:02:34.559
a grouping of vape pins, if you know what they

1159
01:02:34.599 --> 01:02:37.719
look like, and her body language looks as if she's

1160
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:40.360
trying to make sure Carle is still outside, because she

1161
01:02:40.440 --> 01:02:42.320
kind of peeks out the back door again, and then

1162
01:02:42.360 --> 01:02:45.679
she quickly returns back to Carly's room, and my mom

1163
01:02:46.159 --> 01:02:48.840
spidy senses are telling me she was searching that room

1164
01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:51.119
because remember she had confronted Carly at school that day.

1165
01:02:51.719 --> 01:02:56.559
So Carly then comes back into the kitchen and the

1166
01:02:56.599 --> 01:02:59.159
dogs have come in with her, and she slowly kind

1167
01:02:59.159 --> 01:03:06.599
of walks towards her room and then quickly turns back

1168
01:03:07.239 --> 01:03:09.960
towards her mother's room and walks with purpose back into

1169
01:03:10.000 --> 01:03:13.599
her mother's room. Then a few seconds later, she appears

1170
01:03:13.679 --> 01:03:16.199
back in that kitchen doorway, and she leans in and

1171
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.000
kind of peeks around to the right trying to see

1172
01:03:19.519 --> 01:03:21.159
like looks like she's looking to see if her mother

1173
01:03:21.199 --> 01:03:23.840
is in the kitchen, but she's very clearly also holding

1174
01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:26.840
something behind her back out of the view of the camera,

1175
01:03:27.840 --> 01:03:30.119
and then once she notices that the coast is clear,

1176
01:03:30.480 --> 01:03:33.719
she continues forward back towards her room, and the whole

1177
01:03:33.719 --> 01:03:36.719
time the dogs are wagging around, They're wanting her attention,

1178
01:03:36.960 --> 01:03:39.760
you know, being doing what dogs do. And then bam,

1179
01:03:40.119 --> 01:03:44.039
that first shot goes off and you hear Ashley scream

1180
01:03:44.159 --> 01:03:48.199
in this high, this high pitch, just just like totally

1181
01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:51.920
freaking out scream, and then two more shots follow boom,

1182
01:03:52.239 --> 01:03:57.599
and then another one boom, and then absolute silence. Carly

1183
01:03:57.679 --> 01:04:00.960
then appears back in the frame of that camera in

1184
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:07.239
the kitchen, and she's clearly hiding something behind her back,

1185
01:04:07.800 --> 01:04:09.639
so she kind of keeps her face to where the

1186
01:04:09.639 --> 01:04:13.679
camera is and she goes and she sits down on

1187
01:04:13.760 --> 01:04:16.480
a stool at the counter, and then you hear this

1188
01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:19.920
heavy clank on the barstool and it definitely sounds like

1189
01:04:20.039 --> 01:04:23.159
metal or something metal heavy hitting the barstool when she

1190
01:04:23.199 --> 01:04:25.960
sets it down. And then you see her pick up

1191
01:04:26.599 --> 01:04:31.360
Ashley's phone and she starts texting the lighter of the

1192
01:04:31.400 --> 01:04:35.639
two dogs. Body language when you're watching the camera is everything,

1193
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:37.800
because you can tell that that dog knows that something

1194
01:04:37.840 --> 01:04:40.159
is wrong. It's ears or pinned back. It just looks

1195
01:04:40.280 --> 01:04:43.599
very nervous, very kind of afraid of what's going and unsure.

1196
01:04:44.400 --> 01:04:48.639
And then Carly sets that phone down and starts singing

1197
01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:54.920
this weird like little tune. And then she goes back

1198
01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:58.199
into the room where her mother's dead body was laying.

1199
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:04.559
She's cool, calm and collected the entire time, There's no

1200
01:05:04.679 --> 01:05:08.239
rushing about her or anything like that. She then fusses

1201
01:05:08.280 --> 01:05:09.920
at the dog she can hear in the back, fussing

1202
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:13.480
and telling them like, no move, no, no, get back.

1203
01:05:13.960 --> 01:05:16.079
And then she returns back into the kitchen, where she

1204
01:05:16.159 --> 01:05:18.559
whistles and says something to the effect of come on, guys.

1205
01:05:18.599 --> 01:05:21.320
It's like, come on guys in this sweet little animal

1206
01:05:21.400 --> 01:05:26.440
calling voice, and puts the dogs back outside. The video

1207
01:05:26.679 --> 01:05:30.400
is chilling, just as heartbreaking as it is, and then

1208
01:05:30.440 --> 01:05:33.960
it almost is angering at how just calm she is.

1209
01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:40.360
So as police are viewing this video, Ashley Smiley is

1210
01:05:40.400 --> 01:05:44.719
in a morgue. She's already been taken. Her body was

1211
01:05:44.719 --> 01:05:47.360
collected in a white sheet. She had been transported to

1212
01:05:47.400 --> 01:05:52.159
the Medical Examiner's office for an autopsy, and that autopsy

1213
01:05:52.679 --> 01:05:57.239
was set for March the twenty sixth, So Ashley her

1214
01:05:57.280 --> 01:05:59.400
body was X rayed. Then they got her in there

1215
01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:01.159
and they had to her up from all the blood

1216
01:06:01.159 --> 01:06:03.920
and everything and the tissue and brain matter and all

1217
01:06:03.920 --> 01:06:07.440
of that. So she's laying on a cold slab, you know,

1218
01:06:07.519 --> 01:06:09.880
being observed by doctors. They had to wash all that

1219
01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:12.400
off of her for a better inspection. And once they

1220
01:06:12.599 --> 01:06:15.760
washed her body, they originally believed that she had been

1221
01:06:15.760 --> 01:06:19.480
shot twice, but they then realized under this further examination

1222
01:06:19.559 --> 01:06:24.320
that she actually had three gunshot wounds to the head. Now,

1223
01:06:24.400 --> 01:06:27.599
two of those shots had been fired from a distance

1224
01:06:28.119 --> 01:06:30.920
and had entered her head, but there was a third

1225
01:06:30.960 --> 01:06:34.760
shot and that third shot struck her under the chin

1226
01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:37.480
at close rain And I want you to look at

1227
01:06:37.480 --> 01:06:39.320
me if you're watching me podcast. If you're not, you

1228
01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:41.440
can watch me podcast on Patreon dot com. You just

1229
01:06:41.440 --> 01:06:47.239
search my show. But it was under her chin. That

1230
01:06:47.440 --> 01:06:50.920
under the chin shot also had that stippling on the skin.

1231
01:06:51.400 --> 01:06:53.920
Stippling is basically when the gunpowder goes off and it

1232
01:06:53.960 --> 01:06:56.519
doesn't have time to burn off like and spread, so

1233
01:06:56.599 --> 01:06:58.679
it burns whatever's in front of it. In order for

1234
01:06:58.719 --> 01:07:00.920
that stippling to occur like it, you would have to

1235
01:07:00.960 --> 01:07:03.320
have made this shot within thirty six inches or less.

1236
01:07:03.320 --> 01:07:05.480
That's the typical range for you to get that stipling.

1237
01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.880
So there was a bullet in her brain and then

1238
01:07:09.199 --> 01:07:13.480
one had rested in the back of her neck. The

1239
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:16.320
one in her chin was a close up shot. And

1240
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:19.079
I am telling you that was the final shot to

1241
01:07:19.760 --> 01:07:25.800
guarantee her mother's death. That was an execution shot, to

1242
01:07:25.960 --> 01:07:28.760
ensure the death of the woman who gave birth to her,

1243
01:07:29.199 --> 01:07:35.159
cared for her, and loved her her entire life. Unbelievable.

1244
01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:39.440
So Carly Gregg was charged with the first degree murder

1245
01:07:39.440 --> 01:07:43.079
of her mother and then the attempted murder of her stepfather,

1246
01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.679
and she had been transferred to a juvenile detention facility

1247
01:07:46.960 --> 01:07:52.280
to await trial. So in the meantime, well, what I

1248
01:07:52.400 --> 01:07:55.800
just punched that? Sorry, I am so animated. I just

1249
01:07:55.880 --> 01:07:59.920
punched the carer. Whoopsie. You want to leave that in,

1250
01:08:00.840 --> 01:08:02.960
We'll leave it in for y'all. Y'all can hear the drama?

1251
01:08:03.159 --> 01:08:06.719
I'm animated today? All right. In the meantime, while all

1252
01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:10.519
of this is going on, a gentleman came forward with

1253
01:08:10.599 --> 01:08:13.440
his daughter and said, look, we need to speak to

1254
01:08:13.519 --> 01:08:17.479
y'all about the shooting of Ashley Smiley. So this teen

1255
01:08:17.560 --> 01:08:19.880
that came forward with her dad. His name, her name

1256
01:08:19.960 --> 01:08:23.560
was Brooke, and what she came to say was eye

1257
01:08:23.560 --> 01:08:27.479
opening and disturbing. So Brooke was a classmate of Carly's.

1258
01:08:27.479 --> 01:08:31.159
They went to school together, and her father said, we

1259
01:08:31.279 --> 01:08:34.399
have to come forward because I believe my daughter was

1260
01:08:34.439 --> 01:08:39.119
an absolute witness to this murder. And she was actually there.

1261
01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.920
So police are like, wait, what excuse me? She was there.

1262
01:08:43.880 --> 01:08:48.359
So they interviewed Brooke, and Brooke said that the afternoon

1263
01:08:48.399 --> 01:08:50.600
that all of this went down, Carly had spoken to

1264
01:08:50.600 --> 01:08:53.159
her on FaceTime and said, hey, I need you to

1265
01:08:53.159 --> 01:08:58.119
come over. It's an emergency. So her dad, Brook's dad

1266
01:08:58.199 --> 01:08:59.760
dropped her off, like he had done a billion times

1267
01:08:59.760 --> 01:09:02.840
before they were friends, dropped her off around five o'clock

1268
01:09:03.039 --> 01:09:05.680
at Carly's house and she went up and she knocked

1269
01:09:05.720 --> 01:09:08.239
on the door. When she knocked on the door, she said.

1270
01:09:08.279 --> 01:09:11.439
Carly opened the door and greeted her with the statement

1271
01:09:11.760 --> 01:09:17.279
do dead bodies make you squeamish? And Brooke said I

1272
01:09:17.319 --> 01:09:22.720
don't think so, and so Carley says we'll come on inside,

1273
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:27.279
brings her to the back into her bedroom and promptly

1274
01:09:27.399 --> 01:09:32.000
shows off her mother's dead body to her friend Brooke.

1275
01:09:33.800 --> 01:09:36.760
She tells her I shot her three times, and when

1276
01:09:36.760 --> 01:09:40.319
my stepdad gets home, I've got three rounds waiting on him.

1277
01:09:40.840 --> 01:09:44.479
That's a quote, by the way. So Carly then asks

1278
01:09:44.479 --> 01:09:46.279
her friend do you want to wait outside or do

1279
01:09:46.279 --> 01:09:47.960
you want to stay in here with me? And her

1280
01:09:48.000 --> 01:09:51.279
friend's like, I think I'll go outside. So Brooke goes

1281
01:09:51.319 --> 01:09:56.399
into the backyard and about that time, Heath pulled up

1282
01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:59.840
into that driveway. Remember I've told you already what happened

1283
01:09:59.840 --> 01:10:02.960
when Keith got there, and that's when Brooke said she

1284
01:10:03.079 --> 01:10:05.600
heard the three gunshots when she was hiding in the backyard.

1285
01:10:06.079 --> 01:10:08.680
And next thing you know, after the three shots went off,

1286
01:10:08.880 --> 01:10:11.840
she saw Carly run into the backyard where they both

1287
01:10:12.079 --> 01:10:16.359
ran around the side, scaled the fence where the truck

1288
01:10:16.479 --> 01:10:20.520
was parked, where Heath's truck was parked, and they took

1289
01:10:20.520 --> 01:10:25.079
off running down the driveway, and Brooke and Carly then

1290
01:10:25.199 --> 01:10:29.039
split at the end of the driveway. Carly ran one way,

1291
01:10:29.319 --> 01:10:31.479
and then Brooke was scared out of her mind and

1292
01:10:31.560 --> 01:10:33.479
ran to another friend of the neighborhood's house in the

1293
01:10:33.520 --> 01:10:36.720
other direction. So the police are like, holy shit, is

1294
01:10:36.760 --> 01:10:40.039
this on camera footage? Because remember Heath found the camera

1295
01:10:40.399 --> 01:10:42.479
footage that had given it to them, and so they

1296
01:10:42.560 --> 01:10:46.039
run straight to that footage and guess what it was.

1297
01:10:47.319 --> 01:10:49.439
So at five oh three, you see Heath pull up

1298
01:10:49.479 --> 01:10:50.880
in his truck. He parks at the end of the

1299
01:10:50.920 --> 01:10:53.800
driveway to that blue truck. Like I mentioned, he gets out,

1300
01:10:54.039 --> 01:10:57.079
he forgets something, so he leans back into the truck

1301
01:10:57.319 --> 01:10:59.479
to retrieve whatever it was. I couldn't tell what it was.

1302
01:11:00.039 --> 01:11:01.600
And then, like if you're watching it, you can see

1303
01:11:01.600 --> 01:11:03.640
in the background there's a neighbor standing there. He's got

1304
01:11:03.680 --> 01:11:05.560
like a big black dog and he's doing something with

1305
01:11:05.600 --> 01:11:09.640
the dog in the backyard and he walks up, he

1306
01:11:09.680 --> 01:11:12.199
goes inside. You hear the three bangs that and you've

1307
01:11:12.199 --> 01:11:14.479
already heard the audio of that. And then, sure enough,

1308
01:11:14.520 --> 01:11:17.520
if you keep going forward in the video, you see

1309
01:11:17.560 --> 01:11:20.560
Carly jump that fence right next to Heath's truck. She

1310
01:11:20.680 --> 01:11:24.000
tears off driving running down the driveway, and then you

1311
01:11:24.079 --> 01:11:26.760
see the friend just a few seconds later jump that

1312
01:11:26.840 --> 01:11:29.680
same fence. Carly was wearing gray sweatpants and a blue

1313
01:11:29.720 --> 01:11:32.319
t shirt that says Nirvana on it, and then that

1314
01:11:32.399 --> 01:11:35.840
friend that jumped the fence. She's a very tall, large

1315
01:11:36.039 --> 01:11:40.239
black female, teen female. She's got short natural hair and

1316
01:11:40.279 --> 01:11:42.479
she's wearing blue jeans and a gray hoodie, and she

1317
01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.520
is running as fast as she can move her body.

1318
01:11:44.720 --> 01:11:46.840
The teen was telling the truth, and what she added

1319
01:11:46.920 --> 01:11:50.920
next was even like creepier. Carly hadn't just called her

1320
01:11:51.000 --> 01:11:53.680
on FaceTime. She had reached out to five or six

1321
01:11:53.800 --> 01:11:57.520
friends on FaceTime and was texting them asking them to

1322
01:11:57.520 --> 01:11:59.680
come over. She even told one of the friends that

1323
01:11:59.720 --> 01:12:02.279
she was in trouble and she had direct quote fucked up.

1324
01:12:03.680 --> 01:12:06.720
So the friend the other friend was like, uh, maybe

1325
01:12:06.720 --> 01:12:08.800
you need to call nine one one. I'll call nine

1326
01:12:08.840 --> 01:12:11.039
one one if you're in trouble, and Carly was like, no,

1327
01:12:11.159 --> 01:12:15.439
do not call nine one one. And that's whenever Brooke

1328
01:12:15.520 --> 01:12:21.600
ended up coming over now. Of course, looking and realizing

1329
01:12:21.640 --> 01:12:25.039
what's going on now, she didn't want that friend to

1330
01:12:25.079 --> 01:12:27.600
call nine one one because she hadn't shot Heath yet.

1331
01:12:27.720 --> 01:12:30.680
She didn't get to finish her plan. That's why she

1332
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:34.560
didn't want to call nine one one. Another thing that

1333
01:12:34.600 --> 01:12:37.119
came up that was interesting to detectives was that Heath

1334
01:12:37.159 --> 01:12:40.319
had mentioned that when he and Ashley were texting back

1335
01:12:40.359 --> 01:12:42.279
and forth, remember that he needed food from the store.

1336
01:12:43.159 --> 01:12:46.039
The last text he got he said it didn't sound

1337
01:12:46.359 --> 01:12:50.840
like Ashley's normal way of speaking. And so police had

1338
01:12:50.880 --> 01:12:53.319
downloaded the text messages and the you know, the call

1339
01:12:53.399 --> 01:12:55.920
history from Heath's phone, and they went back and they

1340
01:12:55.960 --> 01:13:02.039
compared Heath's phone records to the camera tapes that they

1341
01:13:02.079 --> 01:13:07.000
now had, and y'all, Heath's gut instinct was correct. Ashley

1342
01:13:07.079 --> 01:13:10.960
had not texted him that last text. It was Carly

1343
01:13:11.800 --> 01:13:16.479
pretending to be her mother after her mother was already dead.

1344
01:13:16.720 --> 01:13:20.840
When she had walked into that kitchen, That's when Carly

1345
01:13:21.039 --> 01:13:26.079
when she texted, it was on Ashley's phone, not Carle's phone.

1346
01:13:26.319 --> 01:13:28.680
So in that kitchen video, which there is, and i'll

1347
01:13:28.800 --> 01:13:31.600
i'll I have a link. I'll post it on on

1348
01:13:31.680 --> 01:13:34.079
Patreon for you so you can go watch that body

1349
01:13:34.079 --> 01:13:35.560
cam if you want. You can google it to if

1350
01:13:35.600 --> 01:13:38.680
you're if you're inclined. But on that kitchen video, you

1351
01:13:38.760 --> 01:13:42.159
see Ashley find those boxes with those vap pens. She

1352
01:13:42.319 --> 01:13:45.159
carried it from Carly's room to her room and then

1353
01:13:45.239 --> 01:13:48.239
she goes back to Carle's room. That's when Carley comes

1354
01:13:48.319 --> 01:13:51.159
back inside, goes to her parents' bedroom, grabs the three

1355
01:13:51.239 --> 01:13:54.000
fifty seven magnum from the room. She concealed it behind

1356
01:13:54.000 --> 01:13:57.159
her back. She went back in the room, shot her

1357
01:13:57.199 --> 01:14:00.279
mother very caw, I mean, just boom boom boom. Then

1358
01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:03.800
she re entered that kitchen, hid the phone behind her back,

1359
01:14:03.960 --> 01:14:06.600
and when she's sitting on the stool, she was texting

1360
01:14:06.760 --> 01:14:12.520
from Ashley's home, asking Heath, when will you be home? Y'all?

1361
01:14:12.760 --> 01:14:16.680
She was setting him up the entire time. Once he

1362
01:14:16.720 --> 01:14:18.399
said no, I'll be a little bit later, and she

1363
01:14:18.520 --> 01:14:21.319
confirmed that. That's when she started calling her friends and

1364
01:14:21.359 --> 01:14:23.880
inviting them over between the shootings to come see her

1365
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:28.560
dead mother. It is diabolical and it's evil, and it's calculated.

1366
01:14:30.640 --> 01:14:33.239
So I know we're all wondering had something happened to

1367
01:14:33.279 --> 01:14:36.479
Carly that maybe the world didn't know about. Was she

1368
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:39.640
being abused? Was she being molested? Was anything like that

1369
01:14:39.720 --> 01:14:43.439
going on? Everyone wanted answers, and I'm sure you would too.

1370
01:14:44.000 --> 01:14:47.680
So here's some insight that I've got from her therapist,

1371
01:14:48.039 --> 01:14:52.840
which she was seeing every single week up until the shooting,

1372
01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:57.439
a very consistent meeting with this therapist. Carly told her

1373
01:14:57.479 --> 01:15:01.279
therapist that she was upset with her mother because her

1374
01:15:01.319 --> 01:15:05.840
mom accused her of living quote, a double life. Her

1375
01:15:05.880 --> 01:15:08.880
mom said to her that the face that she was

1376
01:15:08.920 --> 01:15:12.079
showing the world and then the devious things that she

1377
01:15:12.159 --> 01:15:15.840
was doing behind their backs. Was a dual life. And y'all,

1378
01:15:15.880 --> 01:15:18.000
I'm gonna just stand on business with her mother. It

1379
01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:24.960
sure seems like mama was right. Ashley also, I think,

1380
01:15:25.039 --> 01:15:27.560
was very in tune with her daughter. And something about

1381
01:15:27.600 --> 01:15:30.199
Carle that was interesting to me was that Carly seemed

1382
01:15:30.239 --> 01:15:33.119
to have a very inflated sense of self in my

1383
01:15:33.279 --> 01:15:37.119
personal opinion. Number one, she lied to her therapist about

1384
01:15:37.119 --> 01:15:40.760
being a valedictorian, which she was not. Remember, she held

1385
01:15:40.760 --> 01:15:43.479
herself in this high esteem because she skipped the fourth grade.

1386
01:15:44.520 --> 01:15:48.479
The therapist notes also said that Carle felt like she

1387
01:15:48.600 --> 01:15:51.720
was smarter and quicker than the peers of her same age,

1388
01:15:52.199 --> 01:15:54.680
and so Carly had told the therapists she found herself

1389
01:15:54.680 --> 01:15:58.920
snapping at her friends at school and her you know,

1390
01:15:59.039 --> 01:16:03.079
co students because they weren't smart enough and they felt

1391
01:16:03.479 --> 01:16:06.239
she felt like they didn't appreciate the teacher's teaching as

1392
01:16:06.319 --> 01:16:09.640
much as she did, because she really liked school and

1393
01:16:09.680 --> 01:16:13.960
she wanted to learn. She also did tell her therapist,

1394
01:16:14.039 --> 01:16:16.199
you know, her therapist, that she was questioning her purpose

1395
01:16:16.239 --> 01:16:19.600
in life and that when she became stressed that she

1396
01:16:19.680 --> 01:16:23.720
was cutting herself and she also mentioned atheism and how

1397
01:16:23.720 --> 01:16:26.520
she didn't really believe These weren't the exact words I'm

1398
01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:28.680
ad libbing here, but she really kind of had this

1399
01:16:28.960 --> 01:16:30.720
you know, is atheistic a word. I don't know, if

1400
01:16:30.760 --> 01:16:31.920
I just made it up, whatever.

1401
01:16:31.640 --> 01:16:32.000
Go with it.

1402
01:16:32.039 --> 01:16:35.079
But she really had this thought that, you know, maybe

1403
01:16:35.119 --> 01:16:39.159
atheism was for her, but I don't know if that's correct,

1404
01:16:39.239 --> 01:16:42.159
because little girl, there's a difference between being an atheist

1405
01:16:42.159 --> 01:16:45.840
and an agnostic. If you don't believe in anything, you're agnostic.

1406
01:16:46.600 --> 01:16:50.000
Atheism is kind of like the antithesis of believing in

1407
01:16:50.039 --> 01:16:55.159
something either way. The therapist also noted that in their

1408
01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:58.000
last few meetings together, Carly had started wearing a lot

1409
01:16:58.000 --> 01:17:00.760
of black clothing and it just was kind of different

1410
01:17:00.760 --> 01:17:03.680
from what she had been wearing, and that Ashley was

1411
01:17:03.720 --> 01:17:08.000
saying she was starting to feel socially outcast. Harley also

1412
01:17:08.039 --> 01:17:10.720
identified to the therapist that she was able to act

1413
01:17:10.760 --> 01:17:13.079
happy in front of others, but she was really good

1414
01:17:13.119 --> 01:17:15.720
at just faking it and putting on a good face forward,

1415
01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:19.840
which tells me she's a good actor. She can put

1416
01:17:19.880 --> 01:17:22.000
on the face that she wants to put on, and

1417
01:17:22.039 --> 01:17:27.159
that will become important in a minute. She also talked

1418
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:29.079
to her therapist about the fact that she loved to

1419
01:17:29.159 --> 01:17:32.680
read and that her newest muse was the book called

1420
01:17:32.880 --> 01:17:36.079
Crime and Punishment, which the therapist thought was cool because

1421
01:17:36.119 --> 01:17:39.640
it's considered a classic until you start thinking about what

1422
01:17:39.760 --> 01:17:43.319
Crime and Punishment is about. And that book follows the

1423
01:17:43.399 --> 01:17:49.319
mental anguish and moral dilemmas of this impoverished, you know,

1424
01:17:49.760 --> 01:17:53.520
student who plans to kill this old woman with a hatchet,

1425
01:17:54.399 --> 01:17:57.680
and then she does, or he does. The guy kills

1426
01:17:57.800 --> 01:17:59.439
the woman with a hatchet, and then the rest of

1427
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:03.000
the book is basically this character processing his actions after

1428
01:18:03.039 --> 01:18:06.039
he does it. He's found guilty and he's sent to

1429
01:18:06.039 --> 01:18:09.000
an insane asylum. He only spends eight years there, but

1430
01:18:09.039 --> 01:18:10.920
the whole premise is that he just doesn't feel like

1431
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:14.960
what he did was wrong, and I think that matters.

1432
01:18:16.760 --> 01:18:19.119
There were notes also made by the doctor that Carly

1433
01:18:19.279 --> 01:18:23.000
was telling the doctor that Carly felt like she herself

1434
01:18:23.079 --> 01:18:26.359
may have autism and maybe might be on the spectrum,

1435
01:18:26.520 --> 01:18:29.199
but the doctor was very confident that she was not

1436
01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:32.239
on the spectrum. And her mother, who was a teacher

1437
01:18:32.279 --> 01:18:34.720
and we're trained to kind of identify these types of things,

1438
01:18:34.960 --> 01:18:37.560
also did not feel that she was on the spectrum.

1439
01:18:37.880 --> 01:18:40.920
Carly added too that she was less caring about her

1440
01:18:40.920 --> 01:18:46.079
mother's discipline didn't really matter. And this was interesting too.

1441
01:18:46.800 --> 01:18:50.119
Remember how Carly was a gamer. Well, she liked to

1442
01:18:50.119 --> 01:18:54.600
play a video game called Skyrim, and this is a

1443
01:18:54.640 --> 01:18:58.479
game about like elves and cabbages and buckets and vampires.

1444
01:18:58.479 --> 01:19:00.960
It's very violent. But guess that's what her screen name

1445
01:19:01.119 --> 01:19:08.920
was in the game, lazy assassin. Alrighty, then, so while

1446
01:19:09.000 --> 01:19:11.439
awaiting trial, I want to tell you what was going

1447
01:19:11.520 --> 01:19:15.319
on while in jail. Carly's in jail or in the

1448
01:19:15.399 --> 01:19:18.479
juvenile facility, and obviously they have set up mental health

1449
01:19:18.880 --> 01:19:22.039
care for her, but Carly just chose not to meet

1450
01:19:22.079 --> 01:19:24.800
with the mental health staff because she was just saying, look,

1451
01:19:24.840 --> 01:19:27.479
it's not helpful, and so I don't want to go.

1452
01:19:27.920 --> 01:19:29.760
They can't help me with anything, so I don't want

1453
01:19:29.760 --> 01:19:34.399
to go. But eventually the jail staff starts noticing that

1454
01:19:34.840 --> 01:19:37.279
Carley's crying a whole lot, like a whole lot for

1455
01:19:37.359 --> 01:19:40.720
I think three months straight, she's crying a lot. So

1456
01:19:42.199 --> 01:19:46.760
that's whenever a psychiatrist was brought in to evaluate her.

1457
01:19:47.199 --> 01:19:49.439
And this is where it starts getting even more and

1458
01:19:49.520 --> 01:19:53.840
more evil for me. Again, you can have your own opinion.

1459
01:19:53.920 --> 01:19:55.840
It's America, start your own podcast. But I'm just going

1460
01:19:55.880 --> 01:19:58.520
to give you my opinion. And I don't think she

1461
01:19:58.640 --> 01:20:01.640
was crying because of her I think she was crying

1462
01:20:01.680 --> 01:20:04.920
because she was the realization was set in that her

1463
01:20:04.960 --> 01:20:06.840
mother was dead, not that she was sad about it,

1464
01:20:06.880 --> 01:20:08.600
but that she was going to be incarcerated and she

1465
01:20:08.640 --> 01:20:14.359
wasn't able to leave. Now, remember how I told you

1466
01:20:14.399 --> 01:20:17.560
she had been seeing that therapist weekly for a while,

1467
01:20:17.640 --> 01:20:19.880
the one that she said openly she liked and she

1468
01:20:19.960 --> 01:20:23.560
did well with. Well, now that Carly's in jail and

1469
01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:26.159
she's starting to realize, holy shit, my life might be

1470
01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:30.640
on the line. Now when she's seeing this new psychiatrist

1471
01:20:30.720 --> 01:20:32.279
that's been brought in, which by the way, he wasn't

1472
01:20:32.279 --> 01:20:34.920
brought in until October twenty excuse me, August twenty ninth,

1473
01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:39.720
to evaluate her. Now, this is how she's presenting herself

1474
01:20:39.760 --> 01:20:43.279
to this psychiatrist. He only sees her like one time

1475
01:20:43.760 --> 01:20:46.479
versus the woman who saw her for a long period

1476
01:20:46.479 --> 01:20:49.880
of time, and that's important to me. All of a sudden,

1477
01:20:49.880 --> 01:20:54.000
now she's telling this psychiatrist she's been hearing voices for years,

1478
01:20:54.840 --> 01:20:58.199
voices are in her head. He also had looked at

1479
01:20:58.199 --> 01:21:02.680
some of her journaling that Ashley had done, and in

1480
01:21:02.720 --> 01:21:05.960
her journal about a week before she kills her mother,

1481
01:21:06.479 --> 01:21:08.960
she did write a line that says, I think I'm

1482
01:21:08.960 --> 01:21:13.079
having a psychotic break. He also noted that in that

1483
01:21:13.560 --> 01:21:16.600
she had a sketch book where she would draw, and

1484
01:21:16.920 --> 01:21:18.720
he said that at one point he did see her

1485
01:21:18.720 --> 01:21:22.520
handwriting change and that she had started scribbling and wrote

1486
01:21:22.560 --> 01:21:26.720
help me, help me on one sheet of paper. She

1487
01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:31.279
also confided in this psychiatrist that her mom got mad

1488
01:21:31.319 --> 01:21:33.159
at her, and when her mother got mad at her,

1489
01:21:33.199 --> 01:21:36.359
it was very hurtful to her. It wrecked her emotionally

1490
01:21:36.560 --> 01:21:39.199
because her mother would speak in short sentences and get

1491
01:21:39.199 --> 01:21:45.279
this raise her voice, the horror. Thank god, we all

1492
01:21:45.319 --> 01:21:48.960
grew up in households where our mothers never raised their voice. Write, Jimothy,

1493
01:21:49.720 --> 01:21:52.720
you never got fussed that. Did you talk to the people? Jimothy?

1494
01:21:53.159 --> 01:21:54.640
You never got in trouble one time?

1495
01:21:54.680 --> 01:21:54.960
Did you?

1496
01:21:56.399 --> 01:22:00.760
Y'all? Jimothy is lying? Did your mom ever yell at you? Jimothy,

1497
01:22:01.880 --> 01:22:06.479
there you go, and have you killed anyone yet? And

1498
01:22:06.520 --> 01:22:09.439
you haven't killed your mother? Correc same, I was yelled

1499
01:22:09.439 --> 01:22:12.119
at in my household, never killed my mom. Then again,

1500
01:22:12.159 --> 01:22:15.279
We're not Carly, but she was just very emotionally wrecked

1501
01:22:15.279 --> 01:22:17.720
by her mother raising her voice. She also said that

1502
01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.359
she saw her father beat her mother and that was

1503
01:22:20.479 --> 01:22:26.319
very harmful to her. This doctor assessed through his brief

1504
01:22:26.319 --> 01:22:29.560
interaction with her that Carly was a follower and not

1505
01:22:29.680 --> 01:22:33.640
a leader, and his example for this was that one

1506
01:22:33.680 --> 01:22:36.399
time at school she was dared to drink hand sanitizer

1507
01:22:36.479 --> 01:22:38.680
and she did it. So this clearly proved that she

1508
01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:43.600
was a follower. I mean to me, you would have

1509
01:22:43.640 --> 01:22:46.359
to be a leader to go shoot your mother, murder

1510
01:22:46.399 --> 01:22:48.399
her and then call all your friends to come see it.

1511
01:22:48.840 --> 01:22:51.079
But hey, I'm just a spectator in all of this.

1512
01:22:52.239 --> 01:22:55.079
She also said that she had been unhappy to the

1513
01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.840
psychiatrist from a very young age. That she had been

1514
01:22:57.840 --> 01:23:01.760
hearing voices, specifically male voices, and that this male voice

1515
01:23:01.760 --> 01:23:04.680
had a quote elitist attitude, letting her know that she

1516
01:23:04.760 --> 01:23:09.279
was better than everybody else. So she began cutting herself

1517
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:11.520
when around the age of twelve, is what she told

1518
01:23:11.800 --> 01:23:15.239
this doctor, and she said that it relieved anxiety. So

1519
01:23:15.279 --> 01:23:19.079
he's like, this is clearly a maladaptive response to the

1520
01:23:19.119 --> 01:23:22.000
fact that her parents found her texting on her iPad

1521
01:23:22.640 --> 01:23:25.520
and she wasn't sleeping well because she was so disturbed

1522
01:23:25.520 --> 01:23:29.520
by her mother's reaction to things, and so when she

1523
01:23:29.600 --> 01:23:33.439
was put in therapy. He also mentioned that she at

1524
01:23:33.479 --> 01:23:37.600
one point had been put on zoloft. The zoloft didn't work,

1525
01:23:37.960 --> 01:23:41.640
and so she was moved up to fifty milligrams from

1526
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:44.199
the twenty five miligram she was on, and then in

1527
01:23:44.359 --> 01:23:48.359
March she had complained to her original therapist, so she

1528
01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:52.239
was switched to five milligrams of lexapro because she felt

1529
01:23:52.319 --> 01:23:55.119
numb on the zoloft. So, if you're following me, he's

1530
01:23:55.199 --> 01:23:57.520
kind of looking at the old medical history and he's

1531
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:00.560
kind of coming up with this consensus, this news psychiatrist

1532
01:24:00.680 --> 01:24:03.800
that hadn't met with her much, that all of this

1533
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:06.960
medication probably played a role in why she made a

1534
01:24:07.000 --> 01:24:10.319
decision to shoot her mother. He says she was so

1535
01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:15.239
anxious because she wanted to please her mother. But the

1536
01:24:15.239 --> 01:24:18.079
fact that Carly continued to lie about things tells me

1537
01:24:18.239 --> 01:24:20.319
that I don't buy that. I think that this is

1538
01:24:20.359 --> 01:24:22.640
kind of a pity party going on between her and

1539
01:24:22.680 --> 01:24:25.359
this psychiatrist, because she's now locked into oh shit, I

1540
01:24:25.439 --> 01:24:28.880
murdered my mother. She was saying oh, I lost my

1541
01:24:29.039 --> 01:24:31.680
sister and that's been really hard for me. Oh, by

1542
01:24:31.720 --> 01:24:35.279
the way, my biological father is bipolar. And whenever that

1543
01:24:35.359 --> 01:24:38.640
psychologist heard that, the new one, the new psychiatrist, excuse me,

1544
01:24:39.319 --> 01:24:40.920
you know, he brings up that there's a high level

1545
01:24:40.920 --> 01:24:43.760
of inheritance with parents who may have bipolarism, and so

1546
01:24:44.199 --> 01:24:47.479
she too could have bipolarism. And then it comes to

1547
01:24:47.520 --> 01:24:50.840
the conclusion that when she had her nipple pierced, this

1548
01:24:50.920 --> 01:24:53.720
must have been in a manic state. She wouldn't have

1549
01:24:53.760 --> 01:24:57.159
normally done that, and so he believed that she should

1550
01:24:57.159 --> 01:25:01.279
have been diagnosed with what he called bipolar two. But

1551
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:05.359
none of that was ever brought up in any other

1552
01:25:06.199 --> 01:25:12.039
therapy until after she was arrested. That just says a

1553
01:25:12.079 --> 01:25:17.640
lot to me. So once she's arrested and she's gone

1554
01:25:17.680 --> 01:25:20.640
into this jail setting and she's been there for a while,

1555
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:25.479
they not only uped her lexapro, but they started giving

1556
01:25:25.560 --> 01:25:29.960
her ambilify, which is an antipsychotic drug. And she says, oh,

1557
01:25:30.079 --> 01:25:33.479
as soon as I started taking the anti psychotic drug,

1558
01:25:33.680 --> 01:25:36.560
the voice has stopped. And ever since I've been locked up,

1559
01:25:37.239 --> 01:25:41.239
I'm fine. The medicine made me do. It is basically

1560
01:25:41.279 --> 01:25:43.840
what Her argument was, but I think that she was

1561
01:25:43.840 --> 01:25:46.000
smart enough to figure this out. She was trying to

1562
01:25:46.039 --> 01:25:48.960
have this play in her favor, and that's why it

1563
01:25:49.000 --> 01:25:51.159
was never brought up before. I don't know how you feel,

1564
01:25:51.239 --> 01:25:57.760
but that's how I feel. She also was on a

1565
01:25:57.840 --> 01:26:01.439
high enough level of this anti psychotic medication that this

1566
01:26:01.479 --> 01:26:04.000
psychologist or psychiatrist that just saw a couple of times

1567
01:26:04.359 --> 01:26:08.680
felt like, you know, maybe she was manic whenever she

1568
01:26:08.800 --> 01:26:11.920
killed her mother, and then she crashed into a super hot,

1569
01:26:12.000 --> 01:26:14.239
you know, a super low when she was put in jail,

1570
01:26:14.760 --> 01:26:16.960
and then she started feeling better by summer, and that

1571
01:26:17.039 --> 01:26:19.800
explains why she did what she did and thought the

1572
01:26:19.840 --> 01:26:22.800
way that she thought. But I want to tell you something.

1573
01:26:22.880 --> 01:26:27.399
His assessment is again based solely off of self reports

1574
01:26:27.399 --> 01:26:30.960
that Carly made to him and then medical forms, but

1575
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:34.600
he didn't look at everything in totality, in my personal opinion,

1576
01:26:34.840 --> 01:26:38.239
and so his ultimate finding was that he believed that

1577
01:26:38.800 --> 01:26:40.840
the action she had that day that she shot and

1578
01:26:40.920 --> 01:26:43.560
killed her mother were out of her control. She blacked

1579
01:26:43.560 --> 01:26:46.119
out and did not remember what she had done and

1580
01:26:46.159 --> 01:26:51.319
could not discern right from wrong. So fast forward going

1581
01:26:51.359 --> 01:26:55.720
into court, and her defense team basically doubles down on

1582
01:26:55.800 --> 01:27:00.640
what this psychiatrist said, and they just really pushed forward

1583
01:27:00.800 --> 01:27:04.119
this thought that whenever Ashley would get mad and speak

1584
01:27:04.159 --> 01:27:07.239
in those short sentences and raise her voice, that it

1585
01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:12.039
just destroyed Carly. And that also one time, right before

1586
01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.840
the shooting, Carly had cut her hair really short, like

1587
01:27:14.920 --> 01:27:17.159
that it used to be long, and you know, ponytails

1588
01:27:17.159 --> 01:27:19.399
and stuff like that, and her mom had asked her

1589
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:21.279
because she felt like she was going through a crisis.

1590
01:27:21.439 --> 01:27:23.520
You're not trying to be a boy or anything, are you, Like,

1591
01:27:23.560 --> 01:27:26.920
You're not having an identity issue here, because Ashley didn't

1592
01:27:26.920 --> 01:27:32.479
really like the haircut, according to Carly. Now, I want

1593
01:27:32.520 --> 01:27:35.079
to bring up a couple of things to you that

1594
01:27:35.279 --> 01:27:40.359
was not mentioned by the psychiatrist to the psychiatrist, nor

1595
01:27:40.399 --> 01:27:44.399
did the defense team bring it up, but detectives found

1596
01:27:44.680 --> 01:27:48.239
and this will be interesting to you. First off, her

1597
01:27:48.359 --> 01:27:51.720
journal entries that were referred to by that psychiatrist, they

1598
01:27:51.800 --> 01:27:55.520
never once brought up the fact that there was a

1599
01:27:55.800 --> 01:28:02.920
very consistent theme of enjoying dark and deadly characters. For example,

1600
01:28:03.520 --> 01:28:07.880
she wrote that her favorite movie or favorite character in

1601
01:28:07.920 --> 01:28:11.720
Pinocchio was the bomb that was dropped on the church

1602
01:28:12.199 --> 01:28:15.439
and killed people. And then she also wrote that one

1603
01:28:15.520 --> 01:28:18.439
day she hopes to be famous for making an atomic bomb,

1604
01:28:19.880 --> 01:28:23.600
and this is a direct quote. She also said it's

1605
01:28:23.640 --> 01:28:29.880
okay to be evil and you don't need family. She

1606
01:28:29.960 --> 01:28:32.760
also wrote when contemplating the meaning of life and comparing

1607
01:28:32.800 --> 01:28:35.880
the elements like water, fire, and ice in her writings,

1608
01:28:35.920 --> 01:28:41.479
she said, I choose fire because it's powerful, beautiful, and

1609
01:28:41.520 --> 01:28:46.039
it's deadly. So this is where I am on this

1610
01:28:46.199 --> 01:28:49.279
case that's been so prominent in the news today. Carly

1611
01:28:49.439 --> 01:28:53.479
never had a history of losing her memory before the murder,

1612
01:28:54.520 --> 01:28:58.840
only during it and after it. Carly never heard voices

1613
01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:03.520
or told a doctor, a psychiatrist, her therapist, or anybody

1614
01:29:04.079 --> 01:29:10.880
about voices before the murder, only after it. She also apologized,

1615
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:12.960
remember when that deputy picked her up and put her

1616
01:29:13.000 --> 01:29:15.079
in handcuffs, when he put her in when he took

1617
01:29:15.119 --> 01:29:18.760
her into custody. Yet the psychiatrist is saying she didn't

1618
01:29:18.760 --> 01:29:20.560
know right for wrong, and she didn't know she killed

1619
01:29:20.560 --> 01:29:24.960
her mom. So why did you apologize, Carly? You're not psychotic.

1620
01:29:26.359 --> 01:29:29.920
She claimed she couldn't remember killing her mom, but then

1621
01:29:30.079 --> 01:29:33.119
when she was talking to that psychiatrist, she also claimed

1622
01:29:33.119 --> 01:29:38.039
that she had continuous nightmares and she just kept hearing gunshots. Okay, well,

1623
01:29:38.039 --> 01:29:40.840
then which one is it? Carly? Do you not remember

1624
01:29:40.880 --> 01:29:42.560
any of it? You blacked out and you don't know

1625
01:29:42.600 --> 01:29:46.560
what happened? Or are you having nightmares because you keep

1626
01:29:46.960 --> 01:29:49.560
reliving the fact that you murdered your mother and you

1627
01:29:49.800 --> 01:29:51.960
remember it. Why would you have nightmares of something you

1628
01:29:51.960 --> 01:29:56.960
can't remember? Because she's lying. She claimed that she woke

1629
01:29:57.039 --> 01:30:00.640
up irritable, and she remembered everything ab about the day

1630
01:30:00.640 --> 01:30:05.560
of the murder except the moment she was killing her mom. Yeah,

1631
01:30:05.840 --> 01:30:13.880
fucking right. She also texted a friend and told him directly,

1632
01:30:13.920 --> 01:30:16.560
remember don't call nine one one, and she said, I

1633
01:30:16.760 --> 01:30:19.720
fucked up. Why would you do that? If you're blacked

1634
01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:22.079
out and you're in a state of just psychosis and

1635
01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:24.199
you don't know what you're doing. Seems kind of odd

1636
01:30:24.239 --> 01:30:25.760
to me. What did you fuck up?

1637
01:30:25.800 --> 01:30:26.000
Then?

1638
01:30:27.199 --> 01:30:31.560
Direct quote? By the way, you know that? And Carly

1639
01:30:31.680 --> 01:30:36.520
also told that psychiatrist that almost immediately as soon as

1640
01:30:36.520 --> 01:30:40.359
she started taking that lexa pro originally by that first therapist,

1641
01:30:41.079 --> 01:30:43.960
that it had a huge impact on her life, almost immediately.

1642
01:30:44.119 --> 01:30:46.359
And I'm sorry, I'm going with life experience here, and

1643
01:30:46.439 --> 01:30:48.399
I don't buy it because something has to be in

1644
01:30:48.439 --> 01:30:51.920
your system for weeks before it has this ultimate impact.

1645
01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:54.760
That's why they tell you that depression medication doesn't work

1646
01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:56.720
immediately and you have to keep taking it for weeks.

1647
01:30:56.840 --> 01:31:01.800
So bullshit. It did not happen immediately. Carle Gregg is

1648
01:31:01.840 --> 01:31:05.760
a fourteen year old calculating murderer because she was called

1649
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:08.000
out on her dual life by her mother and she

1650
01:31:08.239 --> 01:31:11.479
wasn't getting her way. Her mother was in the way

1651
01:31:11.560 --> 01:31:13.880
of her doing whatever she wanted to, and so she

1652
01:31:14.000 --> 01:31:17.720
eliminated her mother as well as try to eliminate her stepdad.

1653
01:31:19.159 --> 01:31:22.239
Something that happened after this murder too, is a no

1654
01:31:22.399 --> 01:31:26.079
contact order was placed between Carley and her stepdad, Heath.

1655
01:31:27.239 --> 01:31:32.000
Now this would have been something that was done like automatically,

1656
01:31:32.039 --> 01:31:35.800
most likely by the judge in order to, you know, effort,

1657
01:31:35.880 --> 01:31:38.439
in an effort really to protect Heath from any further

1658
01:31:38.520 --> 01:31:42.319
violence or any harassment from Carly, but considering he was

1659
01:31:42.359 --> 01:31:47.520
the only remaining involved parent Carly had, he did ask

1660
01:31:47.560 --> 01:31:50.680
the court to lift that order and they soon would

1661
01:31:50.720 --> 01:31:54.119
begin communicating in jail, and a lot of people online

1662
01:31:54.199 --> 01:31:59.520
and a lot of people on social media have called

1663
01:31:59.600 --> 01:32:01.319
him out for this and said that they think it's

1664
01:32:01.359 --> 01:32:05.640
weird and that if you know, just a whole lot

1665
01:32:05.680 --> 01:32:08.079
of speculation as to why would you support her after

1666
01:32:08.119 --> 01:32:10.399
she almost killed you and he almost she almost killed

1667
01:32:10.439 --> 01:32:13.560
you and and did kill your wife. Well, this is

1668
01:32:13.600 --> 01:32:16.119
gonna be an unpopular, you know, opinion, but I'm gonna

1669
01:32:16.119 --> 01:32:18.720
stand on it, and I don't care. I see such

1670
01:32:19.119 --> 01:32:23.840
pain in that man's eyes whenever he testified it's pain.

1671
01:32:24.640 --> 01:32:27.800
I don't see anger. I see pain whenever he has

1672
01:32:27.840 --> 01:32:30.680
to identify Carly and Court as the person who shot him.

1673
01:32:31.039 --> 01:32:32.640
You have to go see it yourself, and you can

1674
01:32:32.640 --> 01:32:34.680
make your own decisions in life. But I will tell

1675
01:32:34.720 --> 01:32:37.479
you this. I have a stepdad myself who has been

1676
01:32:37.520 --> 01:32:40.760
a nothing but constant supporter of me my entire life.

1677
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:42.760
And he supports me not because he has to, but

1678
01:32:42.800 --> 01:32:46.159
because he loves me. And I promise you if I

1679
01:32:46.279 --> 01:32:50.000
went batshit crazy and did something evil or stupid, that

1680
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:52.880
man would not leave me. And I'm telling you that

1681
01:32:53.399 --> 01:32:57.039
he wouldn't. Why because he loves me, and I know

1682
01:32:57.119 --> 01:33:02.800
it in my soul. I'm not falling into the popular

1683
01:33:02.920 --> 01:33:06.920
thing that the stepdad is in some way part of this,

1684
01:33:07.560 --> 01:33:09.399
and I will not speculate as to why he did

1685
01:33:09.399 --> 01:33:12.439
what he did. He suffered an insurmountable loss in his family.

1686
01:33:13.760 --> 01:33:16.479
In the end, Carly Gregg was convicted of the murder

1687
01:33:16.479 --> 01:33:19.760
of her mother and the attempted murder of her stepfather.

1688
01:33:20.039 --> 01:33:22.279
And just so you know, the state had offered her

1689
01:33:22.279 --> 01:33:24.760
a forty year plea deal, which would have let her

1690
01:33:24.840 --> 01:33:27.319
out when she was still in her thirties, but because

1691
01:33:27.319 --> 01:33:32.520
she's an entitled elitist thinker, she declined it. She rolled

1692
01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:37.199
the dice, and she lost, receiving life in prison without parole.

1693
01:33:38.159 --> 01:33:42.279
And y'all, I know, by number okay, that she's a

1694
01:33:42.319 --> 01:33:45.279
fourteen year old kid, But in this case, I think

1695
01:33:45.319 --> 01:33:49.319
the sentence is justified, considering they gave her an option

1696
01:33:49.920 --> 01:33:53.520
to a plea deal and she refused it. So welcome

1697
01:33:53.520 --> 01:33:55.960
to the adult world, kiddo. That's all I can tell you.

1698
01:33:56.079 --> 01:33:58.439
And if you think I mean, oh, well, because given

1699
01:33:58.439 --> 01:34:10.520
a fuck doesn't really go with my outfit day