April 16, 2025

Mass Shooting: Dylann Roof

Mass Shooting: Dylann Roof

In this  episode of Unspeakable, Kelly examines the Mother Emanuel Church shooting, highlighting the victims and Dylan Roof's horrific actions. 

Chapters
02:37 The Case Background
04:07 The Setting: Charleston, South Carolina
05:55 The Mother Emanuel...

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Season 7

In this episode of Unspeakable, Kelly examines the Mother Emanuel Church shooting, highlighting the victims and Dylan Roof's horrific actions.

Chapters
02:37 The Case Background
04:07 The Setting: Charleston, South Carolina
05:55 The Mother Emanuel Church
18:41 The Tragedy Unfolds
22:55 The Horrifying Assault
26:09 The 911 Calls Begin
30:33 The Aftermath of Violence
32:24 A Mother's Pain
39:05 The Silence of the Church
41:11 The Manhunt Begins
46:21 The Ideology of Hate
58:51 The Planning of Evil
1:04:25 Personal Reflections
1:07:41 The Community's Response

Sources
https://www.justice.gov/crt/case-document/file/1339781/dl https://motheremanuel.com/ https://www.live5news.com/2024/06/17/live-mother-emanuel-ame-holds-emanuel-9-day-observance/ https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/17/us/charleston-shooting-dylann-roof-troubled-past.html https://obits.postandcourier.com/us/obituaries/charleston/name/daniel-simmons-obituary?id=10807038 https://www.herbwalker.com/obituary/Rev-Pickney https://scafricanamerican.com/honorees/ethel-lance/ https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/research-and-publications/quick-facts/Sexual_Abuse_FY18.pdf https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxu06fz7ucg https://www.justice.gov/usao-sc/file/632581/dl https://www.thetrace.org/2015/07/gun-background-checks-nics-failure/

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast where I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims, whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable.

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Warning.

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Unspeakable as intended for mature audiences. If you are easily offended,

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then I'm not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all,

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it's kJ You're back for another episode of Unspeakable. How's

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your week going. Mine's going fantastic. I'm having a great week.

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I'm off of work today, but I'm in here recording,

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so you know that I got a good one prepared

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for you. I've worked so hard on this one. I

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know I say that a lot, but I worked hours

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and hours on this one because there's so much to

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tell you that I don't think was covered in the media.

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But before I get into that, I want to start

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shouting all the way to Roswell, New Mexico.

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I have got this.

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Say hello to miss Hortensia Valezuela.

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How are you doing girl?

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I know I've spoken to you a couple of times online,

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and I hope that you're doing well.

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And your support of me.

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I can just tell whenever we're I'm reading the things

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that you write that you're just I'm just I'm a

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fan of you and so I appreciate you. I've got

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miss Liz Shannon and we're going to go to Mount Sterling, Ohio.

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How are things over there in Ohio? I hope they're well.

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I was on the LSU track team years ago, and

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I'll never forget that one of my teammates, she was

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from Ohio and she was a big girl and she threw.

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She threw the ham and man, she was solid and

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I was always like, holy shit when I'd say how

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far she could throw that. I was actually on the

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track team with Lolo Jones too. I don't know if

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I've said that before or not, but I'm a big

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fan of hers and she's an Olympian.

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If you don't know, I ran into her the other day.

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She's so sweet anyway.

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And then the last one, but certainly not least for today,

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is going to be right here in my backyard Walker Louisiana,

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Miss Valan Collins, Hey, girl, I hope I said that right,

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because that's a non traditional spelling, but I hope I

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nailed it. I hope you're doing well, and I hope

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to god they get that roundabout finished where you're living

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next to because that one right there on Florida boulevard's

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killing me. I don't know if it's killing you, all right,

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So let's let's get into this one. How did I

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come to today's episode? And I think it's kind of interesting,

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and I wanted to give you a little behind the

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scenes on this one because the episode that I'm doing

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today was not what I was originally researching when I

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started writing this one. But I realized through my research

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that two huge cases actually intertwined in a very convoluted way,

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which I'm going to get to that later on, but

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it really makes you just sit back in amazement at

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how greatly complete strangers halfway across the world basically can

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affect the trajectory of the lives of others. It just

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blew my mind. And you'll see what I'm saying as

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I get through this. But there are two horrific cases

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that are linked but are in no way related. If

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that makes sense, and it just got my wheels turning

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on this episode, and I was contemplating, you know, what

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role does media coverage of crime play in the spread

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of hate? And how controlled is what they say when

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people listen and they don't critically, they don't critically analyze

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what's being said to them. How does that affect so

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many people? And in this case, it's going to actually

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on another case, So it's food for thought. And I

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just wanted to give you some of that back story

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there on how this episode came to be. And today

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I'm going to go to South Carolina, which is crazy

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because this will be now three weeks in a row

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that I will be talking about crimes in the same state.

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But here we go. This time we're going to be

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in Charleston, South Carolina. Now Charleston is a place that

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I've never been to, but I have every intention of

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going to. This is somewhere I want to travel and

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I want to go spend a lot of time and

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check it out. I always think of Darius Rutger from

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Hoody and the Blowfish when I think of South Carolina

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for some reason, but my true interest has always been

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about days gone by. Darius Rutger is from South Carolina,

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if I remember correctly. But back in the day, you

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know how people lived, and the massive social changes that

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have taken place throughout the years has always intrigued me.

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I am a history When I say buff I don't.

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I mean, I know all all of our American history,

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but I like to read about it. I like to

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collect things from the Civil War. I like the old guns,

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the old weapons, the old money. I'm kind of a

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man in that respect, but I've just always been intrigued

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by that. And then when I think about it, Southern

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hospitality with charm is what I get the gist of

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South Carolina to be.

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Like.

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Much of the charm is found too in that well

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preserved historic district that they have, the cobblestone streets and

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the Antebellum mansions that are found there.

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I did a lot of research on it.

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It's also a city that played a crucial role in

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American history from colonial times through the Civil War until today.

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And Charleston maintains that rich history, which just I love

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that about people that they think enough to maintain the

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past while we also move into the future. And included

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in that long standing history is the mother im manual church. Now,

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this is a historically black church with architecture of literal

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days gone by. It is an absolutely massive white church.

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It extends high into the sky. It is beautiful if

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you go and you look it up. Of course, I'm

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gonna put pictures on my Patreon. And it's got this

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large cross adorning the building front from the street side

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and through the vestibule when you go in. Is the

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sanctuary comprised of original eighteen ninety two wooden pews, the

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original altar, and the original floor. I looking through the photos,

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I mean I can literally hear the creaks of the

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pews as people settle in and they look up to

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have services, and they see the three original chandeliers that

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were put up in this church back whenever they first

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got electricity. It's the same chandeliers. And so stirring the

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souls of these parishioners comes the brilliant trumpeting music from

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the same pipe organ that's been played in this church

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since nineteen eight. I hope you're feeling and seeing what

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this piece of history means to that area. And there

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was one gentleman who parishioners at this church looked at

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and they revered him as the backbone of the church.

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This was seventy four year old Reverend Daniel Simmons. And

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Reverend Simmons grew up in the public school system, graduating

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from palmetto high school. But this man believed in higher education.

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He held not one, but two master's degrees. He had

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one in social work and the other in divinity. And

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being the distinguished man that he was, it was no

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surprise to me that he surrounded himself by other successful men.

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He had been a part of the Phi Beta Sigma fraternity,

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and he would go on to proudly serve in the

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United States Army before meeting and settling down and marrying

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the love of his life, Miss Annie Graham Simmons, and

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I think that is the most precious name I've ever heard.

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Together they had two children, their names were Daniel and Rose.

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And Reverend Simmons made his impact in the community, working

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not only as a counselor but also a teacher in

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the Department of Corrections, clearly hoping to make a difference

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in the lives of those that are on the wrong path.

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And then on top of that, he would also settle

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in as a fourth generation preacher. Before he retired in

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twenty thirteen. So now in the later years of his life,

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things obviously had slowed down and church was his happy

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place and he was a man of structure and schedule,

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so Reverend Simmons always attended Bible Study, usually held on Wednesdays.

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So it was June seventeenth of twenty fifteen, a Wednesday,

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when Reverend Simmons arrived for Bible study, and he had

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invited a friend of his to join him, and that

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would be fifth nine year old Reverend Myra Thompson. This invitation, though,

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wasn't just because this invitation was with intention, because she

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had just received her preaching certificate earlier that day, along

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with another woman named Reverend de Payne, doctor. So Miss

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Myra was absolutely beside herself because she was going to

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be leading Bible study for the very first time ever

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and she just was stoked about it, and her excitement

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led her to bring her best friend with her, this

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was seventy two year old Miss Polly Shepherd, because she

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wanted her to experience this first amazing.

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Experience with her.

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And I don't know about you, but just so far,

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you know, in thinking about these these little people that

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are getting together at the church, It just brings happiness

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in my heart to think that they're getting together and

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they're celebrating something so innocent and so beautiful, and they're

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proud of themselves. It doesn't matter how old you are,

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you're in your seventies, in your eighties, you're still proud

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of all of your accomplishments. So the lead pastor of

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the church was CLEMENTE. Pinckney, and he too was a

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very accomplished man. College educated. Amongst a million accolades that

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he had, he was magna cum laude. He was a

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graduate of Allen University. He had a degree in business administration.

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But bound to lead, this man was bound to be

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a leader. He served not only as his freshman class president,

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he was student body president, senior class president, and he

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was even recognized at one point by Ebony magazine as

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the top college student in America. This will tell you

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how valuable and how important this man was even as

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a young man. So not only was he now leading

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his own church at forty one years old, but I

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also found out he served as a state senator at

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only twenty three. This man was on a mission. He

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was on a mission to be the change and to

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make an impact in his community. He was happily married

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to his wife Jennifer. Together they had two daughters. So

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he was there for the Bible study and a few

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other members were in attendants that night as well. So

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I am going to be introducing into the story a

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lot of people. But that's I have to It's part

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of the story. So hanging there as I give you

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these people's names and everything. But the other people that

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were in attendance that night, seventy year old Miss Ethel

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Lance now Miss Ethel served as the church sexton. Basically,

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her job was to keep the church clean and orderly,

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and even in her seventies, miss Ethel worked all day

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long to get it done, and she often would bring

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along with her adult but special need son while she

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was doing so. Miss Ethel was actually a mom of five,

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but she had had some hardships and known some tragedies

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throughout the years. She had lost her beloved husband in

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nineteen ninety eight, and then after that, she lost her

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beloved daughter, Terry in twenty thirteen. But she was a

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tough old bird. That's what we said about my great grandmother.

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We'd always say she was a tough ole bird, and

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she powered through. She powered through with grace and now

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as a great grandmother, she firmly encouraged all of her

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grandkids to never give up and to succeed. And most notably,

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she understood the power of a good breakfast. She always

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served bacon and grits, and her grandkids knew it was

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going to be on point whenever Mama Ethel was cooking

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that breakfast. She lived for her church and she was

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so excited to be there on this Wednesday night. So

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as they all came in, they were welcoming one another.

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They were giving hugs, how you're doing's, how's everybody been?

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And this is whys they're making their way from the

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parking lot into the church. It wasn't a lot of

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people in a full church service. There was only about

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fifteen or so people coming in and going, and there

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was Reverend Pickney, Clement to Pickney, dressed sharply in his suit,

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and he was greeting them as they came into the church,

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and he was even bragging. He stopped and he bragged

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on one parishoner. Cynthia heard because she was walking in

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with this poster and she opened it up and he

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was looking at it, and she had created a church

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recruitment poster and she'd been working really hard on this

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and he gave her a good pat on the back

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and was like, that's awesome. That looks really really good.

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Miss Cynthia was a warm and hard working woman married

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to her husband Arthur, and they lived a quiet life,

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which I need to tell you is no pun intended,

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because she was a librarian, so very kind, very gentle,

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and literally lived a life. So after showing off her poster,

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she made her way into the sanctuary for class, and

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so they had a few more people that they expected,

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so they chatted and did some more small talk while

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others were arriving. Two more people that were arriving that

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day were Miss Felicia Sanders and her son, twenty six

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year old Taiwanza. They parked and they made their way

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into the church and they were well known, very happy

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to always be in each other's company. Mother and son,

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but they shared a very special bond, very close, very

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very close, and nothing should matter or get in the

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way of when it's time to go to Bible studies.

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So she did have her eleven year old granddaughter, I'm

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just gonna call her Ka, that's not her name.

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I don't know what her name is. It's not necessary

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for the story.

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But she did have her eleven year old granddaughter, who

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I'm going to call Kay, with her, but that wasn't

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an issue. Kay lived with her grandmother off and on,

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and she knew how to behave She was old enough

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to sit and be quiet and listen. Tywansa, if you're curious,

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he was not Kay's father, but he definitely took on

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a father role in her life. And Tiwansa this guy.

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He had earned a degree in business administration and he

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was currently working on becoming a barber. His passions were

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writing poetry and he was known to go to the

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local Mike Knights and do his poetry live for people.

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A very artistic, genuine, kind hearted, but most importantly I

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would say, ambitious guy who never met a stranger. He

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was an excellent role model for kids that were around

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him and young people, and he was especially a great

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role model for young k So everybody now is kind

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of mulling around. They've made it inside and they all

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took their seats, and they were in some pretty special company,

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including and this is a direct quote, the most sought

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after minister in Charleston. Her name was Reverend Shironda Singleton.

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Now Reverend Singleton has a face that has just a

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brightness about it.

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She is pretty and you just you.

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Can see from a photo of her that she's got

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this energy that she exudes when she smiles. And this

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has got to be true about the energy because she

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was a track coach at the local Goose Creek High

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School as well as a speech coach. So her work

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with the local teens is something that I admire because

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I'm telling you, not everybody can do it, but she

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excelled at it because she, my friends, was a force.

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She met business, kind hearted, and meant business. So they're

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all seated by this point, and the parishioners are looking

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over their pamphlets with the guide for the lesson that

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they're going to be begin studying and discussing. Miss Myra

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confidently began leading her very first Bible study. But unknown

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to them, a new potential member of the church drove

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all the way from Columbia to their church. He had

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driven by in the past too. He even once stopped

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and spoke to one of the parishioners outside after the

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services trying to get the schedule. So he would know

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when people would be in attendance. This man pulled up

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about eight fifteen and parked his car. He walked up

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the steps to the historic building and opened the door,

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walking into what's called the fellowship Hall. And this caught

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the attention of the entire group because number one, he

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was late, but number two, they all weren't expecting him,

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and so they kind of all looked up somewhat surprised

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that he had walked in the door. But with southern

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grace and absolute charm, Reverend Singleton announced, Pastor, we have

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a new visitor. So the group of twelve all smiled

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and nodded, and they welcomed him over to the table.

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Reverend Pickney never missed a beat, kind of opening up

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his hand and inviting the new member to sit in

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the empty seat that was next to him. And when

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the man sat down, Reverend Pickney handed him a study

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sheet as well as a Bible, and the man settled

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right in. Now I'd be lying if I said that

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there wasn't an obvious difference between the man and the group.

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And this is what I mean, being that this was

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a historically black church, it was obviously different that the

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man who walked in. Was white. His name was Dylan Rufe,

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and he was twenty one years old. He's a bit

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bug eyed, he's got a bowl cut, but he showed

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no hesitation in joining in the group or the mostly

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elderly folks sitting there speaking not everybody. Taiwansa was young

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as his Reverend Simmons, but he jumped right in. He

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followed along with the lesson quietly, and at one point

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Reverend Doctor told this amusing story about returning library books,

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and everybody kind of chuckled, and Dylan politely listened chuckled

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alongside everybody because it was funny. And the Bible lesson

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went on for about forty five minutes. After they had

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covered all of the lesson topics and they were ready

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to close out the study, everyone stood and bowed their

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heads and closed their eyes for the closing prayer.

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What a beautiful world we.

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Live in that complete strangers can walk in to church

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and join in together, welcome one another, and pray in

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the safety of the walls of the church, or so

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you would think, because what the parishioners didn't know was

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that as they all stood and they closed their eyes

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to pray, the skinny stranger next to them was quietly

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opening a tactical pouch filled with items only someone with

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evil intentions would need inside of a church. A forty

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five caliber semi automatic handgun and eight magazines fully loaded

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with hollow point bullets. In total, Dylan had eighty eight

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bullets on him. So as everyone quietly prayed with their

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eyes closed, Dylan pulled the gun out and he pointed

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it at Reverend Pickney. He began unloading that weapon, shooting

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Reverend Pickney multiple times. With every pull of the te trigger.

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Loud booms were echoing in the sanctuary, and the smell

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of burning gunpowder filled the immediate area. So, horrified and confused,

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everyone opened their eyes to see Reverend Pickney on the ground,

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bleeding to death, and considering their ages, many of them

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were unable to move swiftly, so they all ducked down

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and they did their best to get underneath the tables.

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It was a pitiful attempt to get away from the gunfire,

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but it was all that they could do, so as

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they crawled about trying to take cover, Dylan turned on them,

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and he continued firing, one after the other after the

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other at the remaining parishioners crawling for their lives to

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get away from this gunman. And then, bravely, with absolute

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desperation in her voice, Reverend Simmons stood up and she said,

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let me see my pastor. I need to check on

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my pastor. So Dylan turned his attention to her and

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without a word, raised his weapon and began shooting at her.

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Six rounds slammed into the teacher and track coach's body,

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and she collapsed to the ground. Dylan then turned and

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he saw Reverend Simmons, and he opened fire, firing over

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and over and over again. As that old man was

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struck multiple times, he fell over, never moving again from

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the place that he had knelt down for cover. So

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at this point Dylan began pacing around the church and

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reloading his gun. And while he was reloading, Felicia Sanders

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grabbed her granddaughter Kay, and she whispered to her.

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Just be quiet, don't say a word.

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But little Kay was so traumatized she kept saying, Granny,

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I'm so scared. I'm so scared, Granny. So Miss Felicia

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whispered to her, just play dead, and then she grabbed

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Kay and she squeezed that child's face into her own body,

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pulling her into her chest as tightly as she possibly

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could to muzzle any sound that the child might make.

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She squeezed her so tightly she in her mind thought,

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oh my God, I hope I don't suffocate her. But

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adrenaline was pumping and she was in straight survival mode

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trying to protect the child from certain death. She had

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to be quiet. Now, Dylan's pacing around, and he's wearing

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boots for this mission that he was on, and Miss

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Polly Shepherd could see them walking towards the table that

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she was hiding under, and as he got closer, she

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did the only thing that she could think to do,

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and she broke out in audible prayer, openly screaming, asking

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for God to help spare us, Please spare us, God,

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Help us God. And Dylan interrupted that outward prayer by

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telling her to shut up, and so he bent down

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and they made eye contact. They looked each other dead

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in each other's eyes, and Dylan asked her, did I

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shoot you yet, to which she never broke eye contact,

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but she shook her head no, and he said, good,

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I'm not going to because I want to leave you

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to tell this story. So while this was all happening.

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Felicia and her son, Tiwanzah Sanders. They're whispering back and

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forth at each other from underneath other tables. So Dylan

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turns and he's looking in their direction and realizing Taiwan's

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are realizing that his mama and his niece were still alive,

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but now in grave danger. He stood up and he

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redirected Dylan's attention away from his mama and his niece,

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and he looked straight at this crazed gunman and said,

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why are you doing this? So Dylan raised the gun

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and he pointed it straight at Taiwan'sa, but he didn't shoot.

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Amazingly and tragically, Dylan answered him, but what he said

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was nothing less than pure misdirected hatred. He said, I

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have to I have to do this because you're raping

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our women and taking over the nation. And Tiwanza, stunned,

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was attempting to reason with him and said, you don't

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have to do this.

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We mean you no harm, We mean you no harm.

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So Dylan stared at him for a moment as he

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said this, before pulling the trigger rapidly multiple times, striking

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Tywanza and Tiwansa dropped to the ground. Dylan then calmly

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walked the other direction into the office of the church

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to look for more people. And while he did so,

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Miss Polly Shepherd, who he didn't shoot, who he wanted

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to remain alive to tell the story.

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She was able to grab her cell.

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Phone and dial nine one one and she pled for help.

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She was pleading for help. And I'll warn you that

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when you listen to this, you will hear people moaning

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at one point in the background. Take a listen to

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that nine one one call.

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He said, sw.

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One, what's the address of the emergency?

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Manuel Church is plenty people shut down here. Please send

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somebody right away.

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Emmanuel Church manu ten camels and there's people shot.

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Yeah, he shot the pass and he shot the man

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in the church. Please come right away.

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Okay, my partner's gonna be getting some help on the way.

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Will I get a little bit more information from you?

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Okay? Stay, I'm alige with me. Are you a neighbor.

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He's still in here. I'm afraid he's still in here.

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Where are you?

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I mean many church on one, yes, maam?

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But where are you inside the church?

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In the noise level?

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You're in the lower level. Where is the shooter.

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He's in the in the office. Let me send somebody

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right with me.

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Yes, Sam, I've got officers and outs who you don't

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hang up with me. I want you to stand alone

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with me. You stay as quiet as possible. Do you

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hear me?

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What is what is your name? Ma'am?

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Shahoo?

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All right, miss Polly?

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Like I said, my partner's getting some help on the

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way while I get this information from you.

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Okay, you stay on the line with me, and then.

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Coming, he's coming, He's coming.

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Please, okay, ma'am, are.

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You able to if he's coming?

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I need you to be as quiet as possible. Is

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there something that you can hide under?

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Come under the table?

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Did you see him at all?

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Yeah?

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He's a young twenty one of the old white dude.

461
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Okay.

462
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:33.920
And we got some people very hurt.

463
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:35.480
Please, yes, ma'am.

464
00:26:35.559 --> 00:26:37.720
And you said that, were you able to see the gun?

465
00:26:37.759 --> 00:26:38.799
You know what kind of gun it was?

466
00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:39.480
No?

467
00:26:39.519 --> 00:26:41.079
I don't know. I don't know. I don't know where

468
00:26:41.079 --> 00:26:42.119
anythinking about guns?

469
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:45.200
Okay, that's okay. And where are the weapons now?

470
00:26:46.680 --> 00:26:47.839
He's got it in the sand.

471
00:26:47.880 --> 00:26:54.480
He's reloading, he's reloading. Okay. I need you to they're

472
00:26:54.559 --> 00:26:56.640
with me. Okay. How many shots as he fired?

473
00:26:58.000 --> 00:26:58.440
I don't know.

474
00:26:58.559 --> 00:27:04.160
There's so many, three different rounds, old time God, pleaser,

475
00:27:08.680 --> 00:27:11.400
a silver please us, a little pleacheees.

476
00:27:11.480 --> 00:27:13.839
Except but do you know what his name is?

477
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:14.680
No?

478
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.960
No, he didn't.

479
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:19.240
Okay? Do you know what color shirt he had on?

480
00:27:20.079 --> 00:27:20.359
Green?

481
00:27:21.839 --> 00:27:23.200
Do you know what color dans he had on?

482
00:27:23.640 --> 00:27:24.359
A boot?

483
00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:25.519
Genes?

484
00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.440
But do you don't know what his name?

485
00:27:30.359 --> 00:27:30.880
No? No?

486
00:27:30.880 --> 00:27:38.640
No, okay, please.

487
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:44.759
That's another bag of token cubanize. But there's so many

488
00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:49.160
people dead. I think, oh my god, you.

489
00:27:49.119 --> 00:27:50.640
Said there's so many people dead.

490
00:27:51.240 --> 00:28:00.319
I think they're dead. Yeah, that last on the way, And.

491
00:28:00.279 --> 00:28:02.759
I just want to make sure you're at the Emmanuel.

492
00:28:02.240 --> 00:28:03.680
Amy Church one ta.

493
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:11.400
Okay, you're doing it great, John, Miss Pauline, I've got

494
00:28:11.440 --> 00:28:12.160
help coming to you.

495
00:28:12.200 --> 00:28:14.119
Okay. I just need you to stand the line with me.

496
00:28:14.559 --> 00:28:16.200
That there are vehicles that he might leave in.

497
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:16.839
That you know.

498
00:28:20.319 --> 00:28:21.640
That what door did he come in?

499
00:28:22.599 --> 00:28:31.920
He came in the back door? That I don't have

500
00:28:32.039 --> 00:28:33.000
an adam, missus.

501
00:28:33.000 --> 00:28:37.720
But Jennifers, are you all in the same area?

502
00:28:37.759 --> 00:28:40.720
Are there people upstairs?

503
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:44.960
You're all downstairs? Okay?

504
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:47.319
Is there? Yes, Miss Paulia, I've got help coming to

505
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:49.440
you as fast as they can. Is there a door

506
00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:54.599
that leads downstairs? They're both open.

507
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:57.480
Are you able? Are you able to shut and lock

508
00:28:57.519 --> 00:28:58.759
those doors safely?

509
00:29:00.920 --> 00:29:01.119
Here?

510
00:29:02.160 --> 00:29:02.480
Okay?

511
00:29:02.599 --> 00:29:04.079
If you don't feel like you can move that, I

512
00:29:04.119 --> 00:29:18.519
don't want you to move. Okay, Miss Polly, or you

513
00:29:18.599 --> 00:29:20.039
or anyone else in immediate danger?

514
00:29:21.480 --> 00:29:25.759
The excuse still in here, man? Okay?

515
00:29:25.799 --> 00:29:27.640
Are you able to get yourself to safety?

516
00:29:28.680 --> 00:29:30.119
No, I'm still on the table.

517
00:29:33.160 --> 00:29:35.480
Can you talk to me freely? No?

518
00:29:35.680 --> 00:29:36.400
I can't come in.

519
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:43.720
Okay.

520
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:45.799
What's the best way to get to you, Miss Polly?

521
00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:50.200
What on camp? Come down cam?

522
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:50.680
Yes, ma'am?

523
00:29:50.759 --> 00:29:52.920
But inside the building? What's the best way to get

524
00:29:52.960 --> 00:29:53.200
to you?

525
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:57.559
Just coming to baby? Yet nobody comes?

526
00:29:58.640 --> 00:29:59.759
You can hear somebody coming?

527
00:30:00.359 --> 00:30:02.359
Yeah, okay.

528
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:08.839
I want you to be quietly read on that. I

529
00:30:08.920 --> 00:30:16.480
think what's going on?

530
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:27.480
Can you just hear the terror? Can you hear the

531
00:30:27.599 --> 00:30:28.839
absolute terror.

532
00:30:29.160 --> 00:30:32.480
In her voice? The breathy just it's just just fear.

533
00:30:34.279 --> 00:30:39.759
In roughly five minutes, Dylan Ruth had fired seventy four

534
00:30:39.960 --> 00:30:44.519
bullets inside the church. The magazines that he carried held

535
00:30:44.640 --> 00:30:50.039
only eleven bullets each, meaning he reloaded the gun multiple

536
00:30:50.079 --> 00:30:51.480
times during the massacre.

537
00:30:51.720 --> 00:30:52.880
Of those people inside.

538
00:30:54.319 --> 00:31:00.640
It wasn't over inside though, because everyone wasn't dead. Some

539
00:31:00.680 --> 00:31:03.920
were moaning in pain, some were calling out for the

540
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:08.200
others who wouldn't respond. And what Dylan didn't know either,

541
00:31:09.279 --> 00:31:11.279
was there were two more people in that church the

542
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:15.680
whole time, in another room. And those two people just

543
00:31:15.720 --> 00:31:19.559
so happened to be Reverend Clementa Pickney's wife and one

544
00:31:19.559 --> 00:31:22.480
of his six year old daughters. Because Bible study that

545
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:25.640
night was for adults, so their sweet baby girl and

546
00:31:25.680 --> 00:31:27.960
his wife, Jennifer were hanging out in the pastor's study

547
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:32.079
while Bible study was being held when they heard the gunfire,

548
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:36.279
the barrage of gunfire. Jennifer snatched their daughter and ran

549
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:39.559
into the closest closet to hide, and there too, she

550
00:31:39.759 --> 00:31:42.519
managed to dial nine one one as well. That entire call.

551
00:31:42.599 --> 00:31:44.880
I listened to every minute of it. That entire call

552
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.359
lasted nearly twenty five minutes, and the majority of the

553
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:52.799
twenty five minutes it's dead silence. Only heavy breathing can

554
00:31:52.839 --> 00:31:58.079
be heard, and they're not speaking or doing anything. They're hiding,

555
00:31:58.240 --> 00:32:01.400
just as the instructor or the operator had instructed them

556
00:32:01.440 --> 00:32:05.319
to do. Periodically through the twenty five minutes. The operator

557
00:32:05.319 --> 00:32:09.039
did check in on them, but mainly just silence, be quiet,

558
00:32:09.519 --> 00:32:14.240
stay out of mind, don't speak, be quiet, And amazingly,

559
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:18.359
their six year old daughter follows instructions to a tee.

560
00:32:18.680 --> 00:32:22.640
But there's one part of that audio that broke my heart.

561
00:32:23.319 --> 00:32:27.000
It is hard to hear. So listen closely to this

562
00:32:27.119 --> 00:32:42.000
six year old voice.

563
00:32:42.119 --> 00:32:43.039
Go quiet, okay.

564
00:32:44.599 --> 00:32:47.519
If you couldn't make it out, because she's whispering, it's

565
00:32:47.559 --> 00:32:49.640
their six year old asking her mama.

566
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:50.119
Daddy's dead.

567
00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:53.839
Daddy's dead, So one more time, because I know you

568
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:55.359
probably didn't catch it the first time.

569
00:33:08.799 --> 00:33:10.759
Take quiet, okay.

570
00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:13.359
She knew that her daddy was out there and that

571
00:33:13.480 --> 00:33:17.079
something terrible had happened, and was grasping for her mama

572
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:18.880
to tell her that everything was going to be okay

573
00:33:19.079 --> 00:33:22.279
despite what she knew she had just heard. So as

574
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.680
that call is taking place, it's now about nine oh

575
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:29.000
six pm. Video surveillance from the church shows that it's

576
00:33:29.039 --> 00:33:31.720
now dark outside as that back door of the church

577
00:33:31.799 --> 00:33:35.119
opens and Dylan Rufe pokes his head out and he

578
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.400
looks left and he looks right, but seeing that there

579
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:42.160
was no one out there to confront him, he then

580
00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:46.640
casually walked out of the church. He got into his car,

581
00:33:46.680 --> 00:33:49.160
which was parked right there by the front door, but

582
00:33:49.200 --> 00:33:52.359
he didn't speed off. He wasn't in a rush. He

583
00:33:52.400 --> 00:33:56.119
got himself situated. He moved about in the cab a

584
00:33:56.160 --> 00:33:58.599
little bit before he started the car, and then he

585
00:33:58.640 --> 00:34:03.039
turned his headlights on, backed out, and drove away out

586
00:34:03.079 --> 00:34:08.440
of the driveway. Not knowing whether the gunman had left

587
00:34:08.440 --> 00:34:12.000
the church or not, Jennifer and their little daughter remained

588
00:34:12.079 --> 00:34:16.320
hidden in the closet. But back where the massacre had

589
00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:20.800
just taken place, Tiwansa began screaming out for his Aunt Susie.

590
00:34:20.920 --> 00:34:23.199
Now is Aunt Susie. I haven't introduced you to her yet.

591
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.000
Miss Susie Jackson was eighty seven years old and she

592
00:34:27.119 --> 00:34:29.840
spent a great deal of time at the church. Aunt

593
00:34:29.880 --> 00:34:33.400
Susie was known as the matriarch of her family, and

594
00:34:33.480 --> 00:34:37.400
she sang beautifully in the church services every week. And

595
00:34:37.480 --> 00:34:39.880
she too, had shown up for this Bible study class

596
00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:43.360
dressed in her white pants and her brightly colored jacket

597
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:46.920
has green and blue flowers on it. When she arrived earlier,

598
00:34:47.280 --> 00:34:48.960
she was slow and steady getting.

599
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:49.320
Up to the door.

600
00:34:49.360 --> 00:34:51.639
It took her a little while, but she was very

601
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:53.920
focused when she got up to that front door, because

602
00:34:53.960 --> 00:34:56.360
there was a button that you had to press to

603
00:34:56.519 --> 00:35:00.400
ask for entry into the door, and she was very care, careful,

604
00:35:00.719 --> 00:35:02.920
very focused, putting that little finger up so she would

605
00:35:03.000 --> 00:35:05.280
press that button so that someone could come let her in,

606
00:35:05.320 --> 00:35:09.039
which they did. And now just forty five minutes later,

607
00:35:10.039 --> 00:35:12.840
she lay crumpled on the floor and bleeding to death,

608
00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:19.840
and although mortally wounded, Taiwanza mustered all of his strength

609
00:35:20.119 --> 00:35:24.079
to drag himself across the floor to check on the

610
00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:28.559
family matriarch in a heap on the ground. Reverend Simmons

611
00:35:28.639 --> 00:35:33.719
was also still alive, but suffering from several traumatic gunshot wounds.

612
00:35:33.920 --> 00:35:36.400
He was unable to move or help himself in any way.

613
00:35:37.559 --> 00:35:41.360
Amazingly because of Taiwan's as heroic actions in my mind,

614
00:35:41.920 --> 00:35:44.719
his mother, Felicia, was unharmed, and she rushed over to

615
00:35:44.760 --> 00:35:48.519
her son and she was holding him saying, just lie

616
00:35:48.559 --> 00:35:51.079
still and wait for help. Just lay here and just

617
00:35:51.119 --> 00:35:54.239
wait for help. Listen to her recount it in her

618
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:57.960
own words as she's talking to her son, riddled with

619
00:35:58.000 --> 00:35:58.639
bullet wounds.

620
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:02.280
I remember my son saying, Mama, he shot me in

621
00:36:02.320 --> 00:36:12.480
the head. And I was telling my son I said,

622
00:36:12.719 --> 00:36:19.199
just just just lay here, just lay here. And my

623
00:36:19.320 --> 00:36:25.480
granddaughter was hollering, saying she was so afraid. It hurts

624
00:36:25.519 --> 00:36:29.199
me so bad that I love you to wardsa, he said, Mom.

625
00:36:29.079 --> 00:36:29.800
Might love you.

626
00:36:30.320 --> 00:36:33.480
I love you, and they watched him to his last breath.

627
00:36:34.480 --> 00:36:37.079
Can you even imagine? I don't want to imagine, but

628
00:36:37.119 --> 00:36:39.559
can you even imagine? You can hear it in her voice,

629
00:36:40.519 --> 00:36:43.679
the level of just this is not right. No one

630
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:47.000
should see this, No one should ever see this. This

631
00:36:47.039 --> 00:36:50.280
should never happen. But they could now hear sirens outside

632
00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:53.840
and they knew help was close. Taiwansa did just as

633
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:57.280
his mama told him. He lay there, but he would

634
00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:01.360
die just before responders got to him. His mama holding

635
00:37:01.360 --> 00:37:04.480
his body as if he were still a young child

636
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.480
and not a grown man. But a mama doesn't care.

637
00:37:08.480 --> 00:37:10.960
I was her little boy, no matter how old he is.

638
00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:17.400
So police entered the building. They were having to clear

639
00:37:17.440 --> 00:37:19.599
the building, make sure there wasn't a shooter still in there,

640
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.760
but simultaneously wanting to run and rush to the wounded

641
00:37:22.800 --> 00:37:25.880
to get them out. Reverend Simmons was still clinging to life,

642
00:37:25.960 --> 00:37:27.760
and they got him in an ambulance and they rushed

643
00:37:27.800 --> 00:37:29.960
him to the hospital, but he too would succumb to

644
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:33.280
his wounds. His old body just couldn't hang on. Once

645
00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:37.039
all the wounded were out and the police had tended

646
00:37:37.039 --> 00:37:40.599
to what they could, they continued to search for survivors.

647
00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:44.760
When they found Jennifer and their young daughter still hiding

648
00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:47.320
in the closet, and tenderly, you could actually hear this

649
00:37:47.360 --> 00:37:48.760
in the audio because she was still in the phone

650
00:37:48.800 --> 00:37:52.360
with nine one one, they tenderly helped her to her feet.

651
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:54.679
Come on, Mama, stand up, come on, I got you.

652
00:37:55.239 --> 00:37:57.960
So the police are now in the church. They're trying

653
00:37:58.000 --> 00:38:00.199
to clear it. They're looking around to see our do

654
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.599
we have any more survivors, And that's when they went

655
00:38:02.639 --> 00:38:06.639
in and found Jennifer and that youngest daughter hiding still

656
00:38:06.679 --> 00:38:08.920
in the closet. And I know this because I listened

657
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.599
to the audio and you can hear when they actually

658
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.719
find them to rescue them, and they tenderly they helped

659
00:38:13.719 --> 00:38:16.360
her to her feet. She was drained from the stress

660
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.239
and the emotions of it all, and they had to

661
00:38:18.360 --> 00:38:21.119
physically help her walk out of the building because her

662
00:38:21.159 --> 00:38:25.039
legs were just so weak. And they made it outside

663
00:38:25.039 --> 00:38:27.159
and they're standing there looking around at all the responders

664
00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:29.920
and all the people, but they couldn't help but notice

665
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:33.760
that they didn't see their dad and their husband outside

666
00:38:33.800 --> 00:38:37.280
the church looking to greet them. He was very clearly

667
00:38:37.320 --> 00:38:39.679
absent from all of the people that were out there.

668
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:45.039
So back in the church where the police are looking around,

669
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:50.159
there was no one moaning, there was no one crying,

670
00:38:50.239 --> 00:38:53.559
there was no one making a sound. It was literally

671
00:38:53.719 --> 00:38:57.960
dead silent in the church. So where Bible study had

672
00:38:58.000 --> 00:39:01.119
just been held minutes before, now nine of the twelve

673
00:39:01.159 --> 00:39:06.159
members in attendants were dead, laying there, not moving. Their

674
00:39:06.199 --> 00:39:08.760
bodies were scattered about the room, and it just it

675
00:39:08.760 --> 00:39:11.360
doesn't make sense. This is not what happens in a church.

676
00:39:11.920 --> 00:39:14.360
It's like, how is this even the way that this

677
00:39:14.519 --> 00:39:16.760
is going. This shouldn't be seen here. This isn't the

678
00:39:16.760 --> 00:39:17.440
place for that.

679
00:39:17.440 --> 00:39:18.039
That's a war.

680
00:39:18.000 --> 00:39:23.119
Zone, that's, you know, on the battlefield, not in a church.

681
00:39:24.119 --> 00:39:26.920
There's bullet casings all over the ground. There's pools of

682
00:39:26.960 --> 00:39:29.719
blood surrounding the bodies of all these murdered people. There's

683
00:39:29.719 --> 00:39:32.760
even drag marks from where Taiwanza took his last stand

684
00:39:32.760 --> 00:39:36.440
in an attempt to save his aunt Susie. Out of everyone

685
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.239
that it showed up for that Bible class. Only three

686
00:39:40.280 --> 00:39:45.719
people survived, Polly Shepherd, Felicia Sanders, and their young her

687
00:39:45.760 --> 00:39:51.199
young granddaughter. Stunned and in absolute shock. The remaining survivors

688
00:39:51.480 --> 00:39:55.599
were pulled outside of the building and speaking to to responders,

689
00:39:55.880 --> 00:39:58.199
but they couldn't make it make sense. It happened in

690
00:39:58.239 --> 00:40:01.679
a flash, but it took a lifetime. So the bodies

691
00:40:01.840 --> 00:40:04.000
of those that were murdered eventually were removed from the

692
00:40:04.000 --> 00:40:07.400
building after the photos had been taken and the investigation

693
00:40:07.480 --> 00:40:10.639
on the scene was completed, And it took doctor Aaron

694
00:40:10.679 --> 00:40:15.320
Presnell four days to complete the autopsies of the nine

695
00:40:15.360 --> 00:40:17.760
people that were killed in the church, And during those

696
00:40:17.800 --> 00:40:19.639
autopsies listened to this.

697
00:40:20.239 --> 00:40:23.119
She removed not one, not.

698
00:40:23.320 --> 00:40:29.440
Five, not ten, not twenty, not thirty, not forty, not fifty,

699
00:40:29.960 --> 00:40:35.159
but fifty four bullets from the bodies of the victims.

700
00:40:36.800 --> 00:40:41.400
Four came from Daniel Simmons, five from Shironda Singleton, three

701
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.599
from Reverend Pickney, eight from Depayne Doctor, six from Cynthia

702
00:40:45.679 --> 00:40:49.119
Heard eleven from Susie Jackson, who by the way, was

703
00:40:49.159 --> 00:40:54.440
the oldest and most frail person in the sanctuary, four

704
00:40:54.480 --> 00:40:58.840
from Taiwansa Sanders, seven from ethel Lance and eight from

705
00:40:58.880 --> 00:41:06.599
Myra Thompson. That's an unbelievable amount of violence. So investigators

706
00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.159
at the scene had started their search for the murderer

707
00:41:09.199 --> 00:41:14.840
almost immediately after arriving. So the church surveillance videos would

708
00:41:14.880 --> 00:41:17.519
give the first glimpse of the killer and that would

709
00:41:17.559 --> 00:41:21.119
spark a massive media release with the shooter's image that

710
00:41:21.199 --> 00:41:24.039
everyone in the community would know who we are looking for.

711
00:41:24.480 --> 00:41:27.800
They set up a phone bank immediately and people did

712
00:41:28.079 --> 00:41:31.239
start calling in and sure enough, they hit pay dirt

713
00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:35.760
very quickly, because the very next morning, calls started coming

714
00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.440
in from people all over the place, including Dylan Rufe's

715
00:41:39.519 --> 00:41:44.320
own family who positively identified him. That is Dylan, he

716
00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:46.840
is the shooter in this church. So now this massive

717
00:41:46.880 --> 00:41:50.480
manhunt is full blast. So it was around ten thirty

718
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:54.159
am that following morning that acting on a tip, police

719
00:41:54.199 --> 00:41:58.719
were told Dylan should be in Shelby, North Carolina, and

720
00:41:58.760 --> 00:42:01.360
sure enough they saw the vehicle. They located it and

721
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:04.519
it was Officer Daniel Burnett with the Shelby Police Department,

722
00:42:04.679 --> 00:42:07.599
as well as two others that pulled up that conducted

723
00:42:07.719 --> 00:42:11.599
the stop of Dylan's vehicle. Daniel Barnette knew about the

724
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:13.639
shooting because he had heard about it on the news

725
00:42:13.719 --> 00:42:15.760
the night before, but he never thought it would be

726
00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:18.519
possible that he would be the one that would locate

727
00:42:18.559 --> 00:42:22.320
and pulled this vehicle over. His dispatchers had alerted them.

728
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:24.480
It was all over the radio to a possible sighting

729
00:42:24.480 --> 00:42:26.440
of Dylan's car. When he id'd it and he said,

730
00:42:26.440 --> 00:42:28.119
this is it. I've got it, and he pulled it,

731
00:42:28.159 --> 00:42:28.840
pulled him over.

732
00:42:29.239 --> 00:42:31.679
Dylan pulled over. They ordered him out of the car.

733
00:42:31.960 --> 00:42:35.840
He followed instructions and the officers noticed though as he

734
00:42:35.880 --> 00:42:37.360
got out of the car, let me see your hands,

735
00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:39.199
that he had a GPS in his lap before he

736
00:42:39.239 --> 00:42:42.960
exited the vehicle. Immediately when they started talking to him,

737
00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:46.760
he admitted, Yep, I'm the shooter. I shot up the

738
00:42:46.840 --> 00:42:51.039
church almost as if you know, it was like, oh

739
00:42:51.199 --> 00:42:52.800
who welded this pipe?

740
00:42:52.960 --> 00:42:53.519
Oh it was me?

741
00:42:54.039 --> 00:42:59.400
It just so so calm and just admitted, yep, it

742
00:42:59.519 --> 00:43:03.679
was me. So he was then arrested and taken back

743
00:43:03.800 --> 00:43:06.840
to the Shelby Police station for questioning. So at the

744
00:43:06.880 --> 00:43:10.360
police station, the FBI was waiting. It was agent Michael

745
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:15.159
Stansbury that interviewed him for about two hours and starting

746
00:43:15.400 --> 00:43:17.079
with who Dylan is? I want to give you a

747
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:20.400
little bit of background information on this At the time

748
00:43:20.440 --> 00:43:22.920
of the shooting, he was twenty one years old, born

749
00:43:22.960 --> 00:43:26.719
in nineteen ninety four, and he came from a respected family.

750
00:43:26.920 --> 00:43:30.679
His grandfather was a well known local lawyer. He grew

751
00:43:30.760 --> 00:43:33.760
up in a middle class family. He had a good life.

752
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:36.519
The only struggle this guy ever really knew was that

753
00:43:36.599 --> 00:43:40.280
he didn't like being at school and his parents got

754
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.639
a divorce. So during his teenage years he dropped out

755
00:43:43.639 --> 00:43:46.800
of high school. He repeated the ninth grade twice, and

756
00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:49.880
then he dropped out to go do online schooling, which

757
00:43:49.880 --> 00:43:52.039
he eventually dropped out of that and just went and

758
00:43:52.079 --> 00:43:54.599
was able to pass the GED test. So we're now

759
00:43:54.639 --> 00:43:58.880
talking about a guy that's unemployed, no real employment. He

760
00:43:58.880 --> 00:44:00.599
had done a little bit of landscape in the past,

761
00:44:00.840 --> 00:44:02.920
but basically this is a guy who floated in and

762
00:44:02.920 --> 00:44:06.519
out of jobs. He dabbled in drugs, marijuana to be specific,

763
00:44:06.519 --> 00:44:08.840
and alcohol. He liked to drink, but he had had

764
00:44:08.920 --> 00:44:13.679
run ins with the police, and that all began around

765
00:44:13.719 --> 00:44:16.559
the same time that he had started reading white supremacist

766
00:44:16.639 --> 00:44:20.440
websites in the months before the massacre and had started

767
00:44:20.480 --> 00:44:22.119
spouting that he wanted.

768
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:25.440
To start a race war. This is weird.

769
00:44:26.159 --> 00:44:28.920
No one obviously should behave this way. But what was

770
00:44:28.960 --> 00:44:31.320
even stranger about it that I found is that his

771
00:44:31.440 --> 00:44:38.960
childhood best friend, Caleb Brown, was mixed. Caleb never knew

772
00:44:39.039 --> 00:44:42.400
Dylan to care about that. They hung out, they spent

773
00:44:42.480 --> 00:44:45.280
the night together, they played together. So to say that

774
00:44:45.360 --> 00:44:49.440
this is odd is just an understatement for Caleb, How

775
00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.519
was my friend or a racist like this?

776
00:44:51.960 --> 00:44:52.800
And I'm mixed?

777
00:44:54.760 --> 00:44:59.159
Dylan's parents divorced, you know, wow, so or half of America,

778
00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:02.920
but his dad had remarried. He married a woman named

779
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:06.880
Paige Man and Page really kind of raised Dylan while

780
00:45:06.880 --> 00:45:10.519
his dad was traveling for work throughout the week, and

781
00:45:10.599 --> 00:45:15.559
she described Dylan as a loner and quiet but very smart.

782
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:17.800
He just liked to spend most of his time up

783
00:45:17.800 --> 00:45:19.800
in his bedroom and he was usually looking up negative

784
00:45:19.840 --> 00:45:23.000
things on the internet, is how she described him. Well,

785
00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:26.280
she ended up divorcing his father as well, and during

786
00:45:26.280 --> 00:45:29.119
those divorce filings, to tell you what kind of life.

787
00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:29.519
This guy led?

788
00:45:29.559 --> 00:45:32.480
Because we usually I don't know about you, but most

789
00:45:32.519 --> 00:45:34.800
people like me kind of go, where the hell did

790
00:45:34.800 --> 00:45:36.880
this guy come from? Who acts like who does this?

791
00:45:37.079 --> 00:45:39.599
Who thinks that this is acceptable? And so I'm looking

792
00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:43.679
and in the divorce filings he came from a fan.

793
00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.719
They had a three thousand square foot custom built home

794
00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:49.519
in Earlewood, and they owned four other properties and to

795
00:45:49.760 --> 00:45:53.000
including two homes in the Florida Keys. So if you

796
00:45:53.039 --> 00:45:56.360
were expecting this to be some dumbass inbread, you know,

797
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.519
white trash, it really wasn't. And I know what you're

798
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.920
thinking now, You're like, well, Kelly, he is a dumbass. Okay, well, touche.

799
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:06.519
But he may have been a dumbass, but he wasn't

800
00:46:06.559 --> 00:46:13.360
stupid either. Because Rufe's full scale IQ was one twenty five.

801
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:16.920
His verbal IQ was one forty one, that placed him

802
00:46:17.079 --> 00:46:21.519
in the ninety ninth percentile in people his same age

803
00:46:21.559 --> 00:46:24.199
of intelligence. So he couldn't do well in school, but

804
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:26.960
he's not done by any stretch of the imagination. He's

805
00:46:26.960 --> 00:46:30.400
actually brighter than most people his age. So what the

806
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:35.440
hell would cause someone of a high IQ and a

807
00:46:35.519 --> 00:46:39.840
background of good upbringing to commit mass murder? Well, I'm

808
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.559
glad you asked. Why don't I just let Dylan tell

809
00:46:42.599 --> 00:46:46.639
you himself. Take a listen to his explanation to the

810
00:46:46.800 --> 00:46:50.480
FBI in the recorded interrogation, whoa.

811
00:46:50.800 --> 00:46:53.360
I had to do it because.

812
00:46:55.559 --> 00:47:01.079
Somebody had to do something because you know, black people

813
00:47:01.119 --> 00:47:04.280
are killing white people every day down the streets and

814
00:47:04.440 --> 00:47:08.480
they rap they raped white women a hundred white women

815
00:47:08.519 --> 00:47:08.840
a day.

816
00:47:08.960 --> 00:47:11.239
That's AMBI statistic from two thousand five.

817
00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:13.000
Ye know, that's ten years ago.

818
00:47:13.280 --> 00:47:16.559
It's money being more UPHO know, it's it sounds unrealistic,

819
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:18.159
but you break you down, that's two estate.

820
00:47:18.159 --> 00:47:21.639
It's really not unrealistic at all. We could help you more.

821
00:47:22.400 --> 00:47:24.320
You know, the fact it matters.

822
00:47:26.119 --> 00:47:29.519
What I did is so minuscule to what they're doing

823
00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:33.480
to white people every day, right all the time. Yeah,

824
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.039
it just because that doesn't get on the news doesn't

825
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:37.599
mean it's not happening. M.

826
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:41.800
You know, everybody knows that the news is biased for

827
00:47:42.039 --> 00:47:45.760
black people, you know, and pretend it's not what you

828
00:47:45.840 --> 00:47:46.280
know it is.

829
00:47:46.559 --> 00:47:48.639
M telling it when.

830
00:47:50.199 --> 00:47:53.039
You said, yeah, ID to do this cause so basically you're.

831
00:47:53.639 --> 00:47:55.480
I don't never to do it cause nobody else is

832
00:47:55.519 --> 00:47:56.079
gonna do it.

833
00:47:56.280 --> 00:47:59.000
Nobody else is brave enough to do anything about it.

834
00:47:59.039 --> 00:48:01.719
You know, in fact New Way eighties, in the early nineties,

835
00:48:01.719 --> 00:48:03.360
you knew we had skin heads.

836
00:48:03.079 --> 00:48:06.079
And stuff like that. There's no skin ads left, there's

837
00:48:06.079 --> 00:48:10.360
no KKK KKK never did them anyway.

838
00:48:10.320 --> 00:48:13.079
Yeah, dude, you're right.

839
00:48:13.480 --> 00:48:17.639
Nobody's gonna go murder elderly people in a Bible study class.

840
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:21.920
You're right, Dylan, nobody else is gonna do that. And

841
00:48:21.960 --> 00:48:25.920
if you think that is some type of warfare, you're

842
00:48:26.360 --> 00:48:30.679
and rightly so, you're unhinged and you're delusional. And as

843
00:48:30.679 --> 00:48:35.039
far as bravery goes, what is possibly brave about shooting

844
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:39.039
unarmed people in their seventies and their eighties with their

845
00:48:39.079 --> 00:48:42.800
eyes closed in prayer? And I'd also like to point

846
00:48:42.840 --> 00:48:45.719
out that the stats that he spewed from the FBI

847
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:49.199
on rape aren't that specific. A little lesson here, and

848
00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:52.039
I want you to know this for real. Not all

849
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:56.119
agencies throughout the United States report their crimes to be

850
00:48:56.199 --> 00:49:00.119
added into statistics. It depends on the policy and how

851
00:49:00.119 --> 00:49:04.800
they report crime. And while white people are more likely

852
00:49:04.920 --> 00:49:09.079
to be raped statistically, he's missing some key information like

853
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:13.000
Number one, children are more likely to be raped by

854
00:49:13.000 --> 00:49:15.320
people in their own family, i e.

855
00:49:15.519 --> 00:49:16.480
The same race.

856
00:49:17.840 --> 00:49:21.559
Black females are less likely to report rape in general.

857
00:49:21.760 --> 00:49:25.400
That tells you your stats are just numbers, they're suggestions,

858
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:31.039
they're possibilities, and damn near a majority of stats I've

859
00:49:31.079 --> 00:49:35.079
reviewed show whites to be sex offenders at a higher percentage.

860
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:40.239
Fifty seven percent of perpetrators are white in the recent

861
00:49:40.280 --> 00:49:46.159
stat His overall anger seems to be misguided at best,

862
00:49:46.440 --> 00:49:50.199
and even if his information was one hundred percent accurate,

863
00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:55.480
killing elderly black folks makes no logical sense whatsoever. His

864
00:49:55.679 --> 00:49:59.360
argument is moot, and racism was seemingly the only motivator,

865
00:49:59.639 --> 00:50:03.559
with murder his ultimate goal. But what had led him

866
00:50:03.599 --> 00:50:06.599
to be this way? He must have learned this at home, right,

867
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:08.440
he had to have learned it at home?

868
00:50:09.360 --> 00:50:09.679
Well, know.

869
00:50:11.119 --> 00:50:14.599
So a Columbia City councilwoman, her name was Tamika Devine

870
00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.559
is how I believe you would say it. She lived

871
00:50:17.599 --> 00:50:20.760
on Dylan's grandparents' street. Their names were Joe and Lucy,

872
00:50:21.159 --> 00:50:24.360
and they were very friendly with all of the neighbors.

873
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:27.719
Tamika went up to their house and she rang their

874
00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:31.360
doorbell just three days after the massacre occurred, and she

875
00:50:31.559 --> 00:50:38.679
described Grandma Lucy as visibly horrified and upset. And she

876
00:50:38.800 --> 00:50:42.480
kept telling Tamika, we are so sorry, we are so sorry.

877
00:50:43.440 --> 00:50:46.440
And miss Devine, who is black, if you're curious, she

878
00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:50.719
is a black woman, said that grandmother Lucy told her,

879
00:50:50.880 --> 00:50:53.519
we are going to stay preyed up. We are going

880
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:55.599
to ask the Lord to get us all through this.

881
00:50:56.119 --> 00:50:59.559
And from what Tamika felt an experience, she said their

882
00:50:59.599 --> 00:51:05.320
grief was sincere. And she added that people tend to

883
00:51:05.320 --> 00:51:09.280
feel that children are taught in tolerance and discrimination, but

884
00:51:09.800 --> 00:51:12.920
she didn't feel that this was something Dylan's grandparents would

885
00:51:12.920 --> 00:51:16.840
have taught nor tolerated. And this was backed by a

886
00:51:16.880 --> 00:51:21.119
state legislator. His name's Todd Rutherford because where they all lived,

887
00:51:21.639 --> 00:51:25.760
they had a black mayor, Okay, and where integration began

888
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:29.239
years back, a lot of whites had fled that area.

889
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:34.679
But guess what family notably stayed Dylan Rufe's family. They

890
00:51:34.719 --> 00:51:37.239
stayed put. They didn't leave when all the whites were leaving.

891
00:51:37.519 --> 00:51:43.119
They stayed. Both Dylan's dad and grandfather lived in neighborhoods

892
00:51:43.239 --> 00:51:47.920
surrounded by whites and blacks, and Dylan's dad was known

893
00:51:48.320 --> 00:51:51.199
to often throw parties where he invited all of his

894
00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:54.800
friends and his employees, which by the way, were mostly

895
00:51:54.840 --> 00:51:59.679
black and Hispanic. So this was not homegrown hatred. This

896
00:51:59.800 --> 00:52:04.320
was looking more like self indoctrination of hatred. So as

897
00:52:04.360 --> 00:52:10.440
the investigation continued, Dylan's passed in recent history. Really shed

898
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:12.519
a lot of light on what seemed to be a

899
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:15.559
downward spiral of this guy. He had at least three

900
00:52:15.599 --> 00:52:18.079
encounters with the police in the last year, and what

901
00:52:18.159 --> 00:52:21.199
they are or what they consist of, is creepy, knowing

902
00:52:21.239 --> 00:52:25.159
what we know now. In February, mall workers had called police.

903
00:52:25.199 --> 00:52:27.079
They were freaked out. They said, we got this guy

904
00:52:27.159 --> 00:52:30.320
dressed in all black and he's asking all the store

905
00:52:30.360 --> 00:52:34.000
employees about how many people work at a time here

906
00:52:34.119 --> 00:52:36.760
and what time they would all be leaving. Why would

907
00:52:36.800 --> 00:52:39.639
someone need to know that? So an officer shows up

908
00:52:39.639 --> 00:52:43.039
and got involved. He ended up searching Dylan and on him,

909
00:52:43.159 --> 00:52:45.480
you know, he found suboxen, which, if you don't know,

910
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:48.719
seboxen's a prescription drug that's used to treat opiate addiction.

911
00:52:49.599 --> 00:52:52.039
And so Dylan was charged with a misdemeanor, but he

912
00:52:52.119 --> 00:52:55.000
was also banned from that mall. Then just a few

913
00:52:55.039 --> 00:52:58.119
weeks later, he was stopped and questioned by police because

914
00:52:58.119 --> 00:53:01.800
he was seen loitering in a and they searched him

915
00:53:01.840 --> 00:53:04.639
and in their vehicle or in his vehicle, they found

916
00:53:04.719 --> 00:53:08.519
parts to rifles in his trunk. He wasn't charged, but

917
00:53:08.559 --> 00:53:12.239
it was noted because it was odd and then in April,

918
00:53:13.159 --> 00:53:16.639
just a few weeks later, he was arrested again at

919
00:53:16.639 --> 00:53:19.719
that original mall that he had just been convicted of trespassing.

920
00:53:20.480 --> 00:53:23.920
So again these were all just misdemeanors, but in hindsight,

921
00:53:24.000 --> 00:53:27.039
it's showing some devious planning that were in the works.

922
00:53:27.599 --> 00:53:32.840
Idle hands are truly the devil's workshop here. So in April,

923
00:53:33.239 --> 00:53:36.239
Dylan's dad gave him some money for his birthday, and

924
00:53:36.280 --> 00:53:38.480
that money he used to go buy that forty five

925
00:53:38.519 --> 00:53:41.480
caliber that he used in the shooting. So this should

926
00:53:41.519 --> 00:53:44.239
have raised a red flag. And this is where when

927
00:53:44.239 --> 00:53:47.599
we have a breakdown in procedures that are in place,

928
00:53:47.800 --> 00:53:49.480
people should be held accountable for this.

929
00:53:49.679 --> 00:53:50.519
And let me explain.

930
00:53:50.760 --> 00:53:53.599
A red flag should have been raised when he went

931
00:53:53.639 --> 00:53:57.280
to go buy the gun. Why because he admitted when

932
00:53:57.280 --> 00:53:59.840
he was going to buy the gun that he possessed,

933
00:54:00.320 --> 00:54:04.000
used and was addicted to drugs. But the background process

934
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.360
failed and he bought the very gun that he would

935
00:54:06.440 --> 00:54:08.800
use to go murder. All of these people will certain

936
00:54:08.840 --> 00:54:12.400
things in background checks disqualify you from buying a weapon,

937
00:54:12.480 --> 00:54:15.639
things like have enough felony conviction, or if you have

938
00:54:15.960 --> 00:54:19.679
some misdemeanors like if it's a domestic violence misdemeanor, if

939
00:54:19.679 --> 00:54:22.559
you're a fugitive from justice, if you have drug offenses,

940
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:26.519
if you have illegal immigration status, if you've been dishonorably

941
00:54:26.679 --> 00:54:29.920
discharged from the military. We have these in place for

942
00:54:30.039 --> 00:54:33.440
this very reason. So why he was able to buy

943
00:54:33.480 --> 00:54:37.480
that gun should be looked at. That should have never happened.

944
00:54:38.400 --> 00:54:41.960
And then Dylan's online presence would show the depths of

945
00:54:42.000 --> 00:54:45.320
his hatred, because he created his own website where he

946
00:54:45.400 --> 00:54:48.599
was spewing hate, including a twenty five hundred word essay

947
00:54:48.880 --> 00:54:53.159
where he bitterly complained about what he called black crime

948
00:54:53.239 --> 00:54:57.480
in America. And this info he got and the stats

949
00:54:57.480 --> 00:54:59.880
and things that he used he got from a white

950
00:55:00.079 --> 00:55:04.239
premiscist group called the Council of Conservative Citizens, So clearly

951
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:10.599
you're gathering information from white supremacist ideology. And then he

952
00:55:10.639 --> 00:55:13.440
started posting all these pictures and I have tons of them.

953
00:55:13.440 --> 00:55:16.559
I'm gonna put them on Patreon for you. By the way, Patreon,

954
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:18.960
there's a free version. Go go to it, go check

955
00:55:19.000 --> 00:55:20.559
it out. It's a free account you make and there's

956
00:55:20.559 --> 00:55:21.840
a free version. You can see a lot of the

957
00:55:21.840 --> 00:55:25.559
stuff on there. But Dylan's posting pictures of him wearing

958
00:55:25.599 --> 00:55:29.280
a rebel flag on his clothing or waving a rebel flag,

959
00:55:29.360 --> 00:55:34.559
obsessed with swastikas, and videos of him shooting in the backyard,

960
00:55:34.599 --> 00:55:38.880
and just real hateful minded stuff. Though, and he discussed

961
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:41.880
the love of segregation, saying, and this is a direct

962
00:55:41.920 --> 00:55:45.960
quote of Hilm, not me, he said, integration has done

963
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.719
nothing but bring whites down to the level of brute animals.

964
00:55:49.800 --> 00:55:53.719
And that is so frickin' asinine, considering he acted like

965
00:55:53.760 --> 00:55:59.440
an absolute animal against extraordinarily good people. Dylan brought himself down.

966
00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:03.480
He's the cause of his animalistic behavior. This dude was

967
00:56:03.519 --> 00:56:06.760
over here in a world with his own beliefs, and

968
00:56:07.079 --> 00:56:10.559
they defy common sense and they defy reality. But the

969
00:56:10.639 --> 00:56:14.679
problem with people like Dylan ruth. The problem is that

970
00:56:14.760 --> 00:56:20.639
when people like him surround themselves with only like minded people,

971
00:56:21.679 --> 00:56:24.760
when people never challenge their own beliefs or their own

972
00:56:24.800 --> 00:56:29.119
ideas or get out of their comfort zone, that's a problem.

973
00:56:29.519 --> 00:56:32.400
This is what many extremists and mass shooters have done

974
00:56:32.960 --> 00:56:35.400
in history, if you look at it, they surround themselves

975
00:56:35.400 --> 00:56:38.920
in an echo chamber of people who validate their bad ideas,

976
00:56:39.079 --> 00:56:43.119
which only serves to reinforce the bad ideas. Back in

977
00:56:43.199 --> 00:56:46.719
February of twenty fifteen, Dylan's phone records show he even

978
00:56:46.800 --> 00:56:51.519
called the church, so I'm assuming that he was doing

979
00:56:51.559 --> 00:56:54.039
some scouting of what he planned to do, and the

980
00:56:54.079 --> 00:56:56.639
GPS that he had that data showed that he had

981
00:56:56.679 --> 00:57:00.199
traveled to and from the church six times in the

982
00:57:00.239 --> 00:57:04.199
prior months, and he took pictures during his trips that

983
00:57:04.239 --> 00:57:07.800
continued to show his white supremacy beliefs, not only in

984
00:57:07.800 --> 00:57:10.000
the clothing that he was wearing, but in the sights

985
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:13.920
that he chose to visit, like old plantations and museums,

986
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:19.199
making completely and utterly distasteful gestures towards the statues and

987
00:57:19.280 --> 00:57:24.119
the pictures that depict slaves and me personally.

988
00:57:24.199 --> 00:57:27.199
And I'm a white person. I look at.

989
00:57:27.039 --> 00:57:32.159
Those types of photos and the locations of historical events

990
00:57:32.719 --> 00:57:35.760
those people, I look at them with reverence and with

991
00:57:35.880 --> 00:57:40.960
respect for everything that slaves endured. And to see someone

992
00:57:41.239 --> 00:57:45.480
of such low moral compass and lack of empathy for

993
00:57:45.559 --> 00:57:52.480
what people generations ago live through is unconscionable and it's disgusting. He,

994
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:55.760
by the way, had originally planned to attack a what

995
00:57:55.840 --> 00:57:58.079
he called a black festival, some type of festival he

996
00:57:58.119 --> 00:57:59.920
was going to go shoot it up, but he think

997
00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:02.599
out that security would be too large, so that's whenever

998
00:58:02.599 --> 00:58:04.320
he changed direction on what he was going to do.

999
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:07.880
So on April sixteenth, he bought the gun and some

1000
00:58:08.000 --> 00:58:11.679
extra magazines, and over the next two months he purchased

1001
00:58:11.679 --> 00:58:14.840
more magazines, he got those hollow point bullets, and he

1002
00:58:14.880 --> 00:58:18.679
got a laser sight. He took videos of himself firing

1003
00:58:18.679 --> 00:58:21.320
the gun in target practice, prepping for what he was

1004
00:58:21.360 --> 00:58:24.519
going to do. And this reminded me of Columbine when

1005
00:58:24.519 --> 00:58:28.159
those assholes filmed themselves shooting and blowing things up and

1006
00:58:28.199 --> 00:58:30.599
spewing all their hatred and their basement tapes. It was

1007
00:58:30.760 --> 00:58:33.280
very similar. And by the way, the ideology is very

1008
00:58:33.360 --> 00:58:38.400
similar because the Columbine shooters were obsessed with swastikas and

1009
00:58:38.559 --> 00:58:42.679
white supremacy and Germans. It's common, it's a common flag.

1010
00:58:43.800 --> 00:58:47.159
He wrote a list of black churches that was found

1011
00:58:47.159 --> 00:58:49.599
in his car during the search after his arrest, and

1012
00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:55.679
almost like a ritual, he loaded specifically eighty eight hollow

1013
00:58:55.679 --> 00:58:57.119
point bullets for his attack.

1014
00:58:57.679 --> 00:59:00.519
Y eighty eight. Don't let that number get law on you.

1015
00:59:00.880 --> 00:59:03.440
It was eighty eight because the eighth letter of the

1016
00:59:03.480 --> 00:59:08.639
alphabet is H. White supremacists often support or sport or

1017
00:59:08.760 --> 00:59:11.880
use the number eighty eight for HH, which stands for

1018
00:59:11.960 --> 00:59:17.400
Kyle Hitler. That number was symbolic why he brought that mini.

1019
00:59:18.039 --> 00:59:20.360
He showed up at the church on June seventeenth at

1020
00:59:20.400 --> 00:59:26.880
six thirteen pm and he pulled his vehicle up when

1021
00:59:26.920 --> 00:59:29.280
you watch the video, he pulled it up with purpose.

1022
00:59:30.480 --> 00:59:32.760
He got out, he walked to the doors, at first

1023
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:34.920
trying to open the right but realizing on the only

1024
00:59:34.960 --> 00:59:37.400
the left door was open. And then he walked inside

1025
00:59:37.440 --> 00:59:44.000
and incredibly, these beyond kind people welcomed him with open

1026
00:59:44.119 --> 00:59:47.760
arms into their Bible study class, completely unaware that he

1027
00:59:47.800 --> 00:59:51.880
had been planning for months to murder black people, specifically

1028
00:59:52.280 --> 00:59:55.400
in hopes of instigating a race war. He sat there

1029
00:59:55.480 --> 00:59:58.599
forty five minutes listening to them pour out their hearts.

1030
00:59:59.119 --> 01:00:02.760
Tiwanse even sent a snapchat video of them in the

1031
01:00:02.840 --> 01:00:05.000
church right before he was murdered, and you can see

1032
01:00:05.079 --> 01:00:08.800
Dylan's for a second in the corner, sitting there when

1033
01:00:08.840 --> 01:00:11.840
they all bowed their heads to prey and they closed

1034
01:00:11.840 --> 01:00:16.320
their eyes, that's when Dylan took aim and massacred helpless, elderly,

1035
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:22.360
unarmed church folks. Police located his journals all full of

1036
01:00:22.400 --> 01:00:25.440
this hatred and this online propaganda, some of it, by

1037
01:00:25.480 --> 01:00:27.480
the way, he went and uploaded at his father's house

1038
01:00:27.599 --> 01:00:30.280
right before he left out for the church. He went

1039
01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:34.400
on to denounce American patriotism as that quote absolute joke,

1040
01:00:34.599 --> 01:00:38.239
because Americans have nothing to be proud of while blacks

1041
01:00:38.320 --> 01:00:40.320
murder whites in the streets every day.

1042
01:00:41.559 --> 01:00:44.440
This guy is unhinged.

1043
01:00:45.639 --> 01:00:48.119
And when he was interrogated by the FBI, he told

1044
01:00:48.119 --> 01:00:50.360
agents at one point he had to do it to

1045
01:00:50.440 --> 01:00:54.840
obtain retribution for the wrongs he believed blacks inflicted on whites.

1046
01:00:55.039 --> 01:00:58.800
His goal to agitate race relations and cause this race war.

1047
01:00:59.119 --> 01:01:02.440
And most incredible, he wrote that since nobody was going

1048
01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.400
to do anything about it, all they were gonna do

1049
01:01:05.480 --> 01:01:07.000
is talk on the internet.

1050
01:01:07.039 --> 01:01:08.199
That someone had to.

1051
01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:11.360
Have the bravery to take it to the real world,

1052
01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:16.679
and he guessed it had to be Heilm. This little bony, elbowed,

1053
01:01:16.920 --> 01:01:21.079
bowl cut, bug eyed bastard would not know bravery if

1054
01:01:21.119 --> 01:01:22.400
it hit him in the forehead.

1055
01:01:23.960 --> 01:01:25.840
Bravery will never.

1056
01:01:25.800 --> 01:01:30.280
Include killing innocent people, Bravery will never include killing the elderly,

1057
01:01:30.480 --> 01:01:35.800
and bravery will never include hate. Ever, all of those

1058
01:01:35.840 --> 01:01:39.480
are the antithesis of brave Dylan Ruth ended the lives

1059
01:01:39.519 --> 01:01:43.480
of twelve innocent and incredibly good people, and he thought

1060
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:46.039
by doing so that this would somehow elevate him into

1061
01:01:46.159 --> 01:01:49.639
like savior status of the white race. Well, a few

1062
01:01:49.679 --> 01:01:54.519
words for you, dude. You don't represent white people. You

1063
01:01:54.599 --> 01:01:57.679
just happen to be white. And there is a difference.

1064
01:01:58.719 --> 01:02:03.320
We don't claim you, We denounce you and all that

1065
01:02:03.400 --> 01:02:06.599
you supposedly stood for. You are nothing more than a

1066
01:02:06.679 --> 01:02:10.679
hateful piece of shit. And I don't relate to you,

1067
01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.559
nor do I align with you in any way, shape

1068
01:02:13.599 --> 01:02:18.960
or form. And I would be lying to you if

1069
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:23.079
I said that I didn't take this crime personal. And

1070
01:02:23.119 --> 01:02:24.400
I hope for a second you can give me some

1071
01:02:24.480 --> 01:02:27.480
grace here to give you a little insight as to

1072
01:02:27.559 --> 01:02:30.239
why I've spoken about him before. But one of my

1073
01:02:30.440 --> 01:02:33.119
very good friends, his name's Kevin, is a black man,

1074
01:02:33.599 --> 01:02:37.199
and if he had been in that church that day,

1075
01:02:38.000 --> 01:02:42.199
I cannot put into words the hurt that I would

1076
01:02:42.239 --> 01:02:45.440
have felt if someone decided to kill him, take away

1077
01:02:45.480 --> 01:02:48.320
his life, all in the name of hate. And I

1078
01:02:48.440 --> 01:02:51.599
thought about him when learning about what Taiwansa went through.

1079
01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:54.880
And one of my favorite people in the world is

1080
01:02:54.880 --> 01:02:57.239
a custodian that I have worked with for many years.

1081
01:02:57.239 --> 01:02:59.679
We call him mister Fish, and that man has looked

1082
01:02:59.719 --> 01:03:03.960
after me for many, many years. I've always held a

1083
01:03:03.960 --> 01:03:06.280
soft spot in my heart for him. I've known him

1084
01:03:06.320 --> 01:03:09.159
for seventeen years, and I'll always hold a soft spot

1085
01:03:09.159 --> 01:03:11.280
in my heart for that man. We just we clipped

1086
01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:15.480
and he's like a popa to me, always making me smile.

1087
01:03:15.760 --> 01:03:17.679
And he is who crossed my mind when I was

1088
01:03:17.719 --> 01:03:20.119
looking at these photos of mister Simmons as he walked

1089
01:03:20.159 --> 01:03:26.159
into that church and my other very good friends. They

1090
01:03:26.239 --> 01:03:29.199
adopted children, a son and a daughter, and their daughter

1091
01:03:29.639 --> 01:03:32.800
happens to be black. It doesn't matter. That's their daughter,

1092
01:03:33.880 --> 01:03:35.440
and we love her. I love her as if I

1093
01:03:35.480 --> 01:03:37.760
gave birth to her myself. I love this baby girl,

1094
01:03:38.119 --> 01:03:40.519
and I thought of her the whole time. I'm thinking

1095
01:03:40.559 --> 01:03:43.239
of Miss Sanders's granddaughter, and what if it would have

1096
01:03:43.280 --> 01:03:46.760
been her sweet little face underneath that table, having to

1097
01:03:46.800 --> 01:03:50.920
be silenced as some evil asshole is shooting at her

1098
01:03:51.320 --> 01:03:55.000
just because of the color of her skin. It instills

1099
01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:58.840
a fear in me that I can't put words into it.

1100
01:03:58.880 --> 01:04:03.039
I have goosebumps right now. She's a child, She's a baby,

1101
01:04:05.119 --> 01:04:08.119
and I won't keep going. I just one more. One

1102
01:04:08.119 --> 01:04:10.679
of my favorite students this year, and he knows it.

1103
01:04:12.079 --> 01:04:14.239
We jokingly call him my nephew. Okay, it's a little

1104
01:04:14.239 --> 01:04:16.400
boy's name is Landon matter of fact, he was prom.

1105
01:04:16.239 --> 01:04:20.760
King shout out. But he is so very special to me.

1106
01:04:21.159 --> 01:04:24.239
We have bonded through this year and he is just

1107
01:04:24.280 --> 01:04:26.920
so genuine and he's funny as hell. And I look

1108
01:04:27.039 --> 01:04:29.679
forward I go to school and I look forward to

1109
01:04:29.719 --> 01:04:33.639
seeing that boy's face. He's smart, and he's driven, and

1110
01:04:33.679 --> 01:04:37.159
he's gonna be somebody someday. I know this for a fact.

1111
01:04:37.280 --> 01:04:40.239
And if anyone were to try to touch a hair

1112
01:04:40.320 --> 01:04:43.440
on that child's head, I would come on glued and

1113
01:04:43.480 --> 01:04:47.960
the mama bearon me would go animalistic to defend that child.

1114
01:04:48.199 --> 01:04:50.840
He comes to mind when I think about these people.

1115
01:04:51.119 --> 01:04:52.840
I could go on and on, but there is no

1116
01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:57.199
room for hate in my world none, and so I

1117
01:04:57.239 --> 01:04:58.000
take it personal.

1118
01:04:58.079 --> 01:04:58.880
We all should.

1119
01:04:59.159 --> 01:05:04.800
That does not represent who we are at all. Dylan

1120
01:05:04.840 --> 01:05:09.119
Roof was charged with thirty three counts of hate crimes

1121
01:05:09.199 --> 01:05:13.000
federal hate crimes, and his defense and y'all, it's the constitution.

1122
01:05:13.079 --> 01:05:17.199
But his defense jumped out they claimed everything from autism

1123
01:05:17.480 --> 01:05:19.880
to having a mental disorder. But the truth is that

1124
01:05:20.039 --> 01:05:23.199
evil and hate or why he did what he did.

1125
01:05:23.599 --> 01:05:26.599
And Dylan himself, he even threw a fit whenever he

1126
01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:28.880
found out his defense was trying to claim that autism

1127
01:05:28.920 --> 01:05:30.719
played a role in it, and he said, don't want

1128
01:05:30.760 --> 01:05:33.039
I don't want that to happen because it would dilute

1129
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:38.639
my attack value. The fact that he was able to

1130
01:05:38.840 --> 01:05:42.199
competent to stand trial proves this Dylan Ruth.

1131
01:05:42.239 --> 01:05:45.320
Is not crazy. There is no excuse. He is evil.

1132
01:05:46.480 --> 01:05:50.960
I read two hundred and sixty four pages of defense

1133
01:05:51.079 --> 01:05:54.719
objections and all of that two hundred and sixty four

1134
01:05:54.760 --> 01:05:59.920
fucking pages written to defend this little asshole who killed

1135
01:06:00.159 --> 01:06:02.960
in the name of hate and racism, and he meant

1136
01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:07.320
to and he admitted to it. It's sick the resources

1137
01:06:07.320 --> 01:06:11.679
that we spent on this depraved animal of a human being.

1138
01:06:13.039 --> 01:06:17.119
But on December fifteenth of twenty sixteen, a jury convicted

1139
01:06:17.199 --> 01:06:20.480
Dylan Roof on all thirty three counts. And I cannot

1140
01:06:20.559 --> 01:06:24.679
help but laugh at the next part because Dylan, when

1141
01:06:24.679 --> 01:06:27.800
he was convicted, he offered to plead guilty in exchange

1142
01:06:27.800 --> 01:06:30.480
for a life sentence. The government was like, no, fam

1143
01:06:30.480 --> 01:06:30.920
We're good.

1144
01:06:31.920 --> 01:06:33.239
No, we don't. We're good.

1145
01:06:33.880 --> 01:06:38.320
We don't need you to plead guilty in exchange. Sorry,

1146
01:06:38.480 --> 01:06:41.599
we got what we need. And then after the conviction,

1147
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.280
Dylan decided that he was going to represent himself in

1148
01:06:44.320 --> 01:06:45.239
the penalty phase.

1149
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:47.480
And this is this is so ridiculous.

1150
01:06:47.719 --> 01:06:50.159
This is where he brought up some problems that he

1151
01:06:50.239 --> 01:06:52.760
needed the court to know about that he might face

1152
01:06:52.800 --> 01:06:53.239
in prison.

1153
01:06:53.280 --> 01:06:55.159
Are you ready?

1154
01:06:55.199 --> 01:06:59.519
He might face danger of violence from other inmates. You

1155
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:05.440
think he would have to serve because of this, He

1156
01:07:05.519 --> 01:07:07.760
was probably gonna have to serve his sentence in isolation.

1157
01:07:08.719 --> 01:07:12.639
He didn't want to do that. And then he ended

1158
01:07:12.639 --> 01:07:16.719
it with the fact that he feels like he's capable

1159
01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:20.800
of redemption. Like, dude, listen and hear me.

1160
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:21.079
Good.

1161
01:07:21.639 --> 01:07:26.880
You may in the court of God be redeemed. But

1162
01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:29.119
here on planet Earth where I sit right now, me

1163
01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:35.199
in the human form, we don't like you. We don't agree.

1164
01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:38.880
And the courts agreed with my sentiment when they promptly

1165
01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:43.679
sentenced him to death. Dylan's goal was to start a

1166
01:07:43.760 --> 01:07:47.039
race war, but unfortunately, all his actions did was draw

1167
01:07:47.119 --> 01:07:51.480
a heartbroken community together. People of all races supported the

1168
01:07:51.599 --> 01:07:54.719
church and showed their love and their concern for people

1169
01:07:54.920 --> 01:07:59.719
that were so greatly affected by Dylan's actions that day.

1170
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.760
Hate is taught. I'm not going to stand here and

1171
01:08:02.800 --> 01:08:06.119
say it's not hate is taught, but it's not always

1172
01:08:06.159 --> 01:08:10.079
the case, as this episode has shown. I mentioned at

1173
01:08:10.079 --> 01:08:12.519
the start of this episode that I'm amazed at how

1174
01:08:12.559 --> 01:08:15.880
stranger's actions can have such a direct impact on the

1175
01:08:15.880 --> 01:08:20.079
lives of other strangers. Well, incredibly, this episode is going

1176
01:08:20.159 --> 01:08:22.840
to play a role in next week's episode, which is

1177
01:08:22.880 --> 01:08:25.560
going to take place in Virginia, and no one in

1178
01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.960
the two cases even knows each other, so I want

1179
01:08:29.000 --> 01:08:32.000
you to stay tuned for that. And I went to

1180
01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:36.159
Mother Emmanuel Church's website and they listed a few words

1181
01:08:36.399 --> 01:08:39.359
that were this year's focus. They called them the four

1182
01:08:39.439 --> 01:08:46.479
e's Empathy, Empowerment, encouragement, and equipping and I thought, man,

1183
01:08:46.520 --> 01:08:50.039
these are great, and they're also inspiring.

1184
01:08:51.079 --> 01:08:52.239
They inspired me.

1185
01:08:52.239 --> 01:08:54.920
Because you know, I always say that I love Jesus,

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but I'm from the South side of the Kingdom. And

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in that same spirit, I chose my letter, and that

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letter happens to be S and it's in regard to Dylan,

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who thought that he was a brave racist, but I

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found him to be more along the lines of a soulless, sniveling,

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sad excuse of a sadistic sack of shit so shameless

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and spectacularly stupid that only Satan would swipe right in satisfaction.