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Miraculous Survival: Ashley Reeves

Miraculous Survival: Ashley Reeves

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In this episode of *Unspeakable*, KJ examines the true crime case of 17-year-old Ashley Reeves, whose life dramatically changed on April 27, 2006. Kelly brings you on a journey through the harrowing details of her disappearance and the frantic search by her family, leading to the revelation of former teacher Sam Shelton as a suspect. Kelly delves into Shelton's chilling confession of violence, and an unbelievable twist you have to hear to believe.

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Timestamps
08:28 Teenage girls Never Listen
15:42 Sam Shelton Emerges
22:11 A Visit to the Police Station
32:25 Line Dancing and Not a Care In the World
42:57 Snapping the Neck 48:36 Recovery

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Welcome to Unspeakable, a true crime podcast. Or I tell

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stories of real crimes with real victims whose cases are

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so shocking that many are left wondering how is this

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even real? I use my experiences in law enforcement corrections,

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and combined with my years as a criminal justice educator,

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dig deep into complex cases of evil acts, some so

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evil many feel they are unspeakable. Warning. Unspeakable as intended

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for mature audiences. If you are easily offended, then I'm

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not your girl. Listening discretion is advised. Hey, y'all, it's

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kJ here, back for the episode of Unspeakable. How's it going?

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This episode today is one that I actually use in

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my classroom, And I said, you know what, I tell

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this story all the time, why don't I tell it

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on the podcast? So that's what you're getting today. And

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if you've been a student of mine before, you might

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know this case. So it took place in two thousand

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and six, and it's when seventeen year old Ashley Reeves

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was a high school student in the great state of Illinois. Ashley,

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if you're looking at her, she looks like every high

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schooler that I see every day on the job. She

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wears her hair in a ponytail, but think, you know,

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think back to the classic stylings of two thousand and six.

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She has it up in that ponytail, but she has

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those two thin little pieces that we used to pull

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out and have that went kind of down on the

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sides of our faces. She has blue eyes, dark brown,

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dark blondish hair, kind of a brownish color, and she

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has freckles on her nose when you look at her

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little smile. She has a gap between her front teeth.

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Nothing crazy or anything, but she's just a natural girl

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when you're looking at her photos. She's not one to

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wear a ton of makeup, and you know, maybe some

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eyeline or something like that. I've seen some eyeshadow and

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some of the other pictures, but not an overwhelmingly makeup

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type of girl. Her ears were tastefully pierced. She had

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a couple of piercings that went up her ear. She

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wore a small gold hoop at the bottom of the lobe,

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and then she had like two studs that went up

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the other side. And remember chokers were in style for

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a while back then. She liked those two and so

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even in her school picture, she has a choker one

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and friends would describe Ashley as funny. She was a

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fun friend, but she was down to earth and super smart.

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She was doing really well, and she was currently in

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her junior year of high school and was so excited

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to almost be done. Only one more year of high

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school until I graduate. And I know, if you're out

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of high school, you know the feeling and if you're

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in high school, you know the feelings of being like, man,

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I'm almost done. You know, let's do this. And like

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most sister relationships, her sister Casey, it was her younger sister.

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She looked up to Ashley and thought that she just

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hung the moon, and she looked up to her in

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so many ways. Ashley was, you know, an everyday girl,

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but was living what younger girls would look up to.

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The fact that she had a boyfriend was always exciting.

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So she was comfortable with her boyfriend and happy. His

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name was Jeremy Smith and he had been her steady

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boyfriend for a while. It wasn't a new boyfriend or

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anything like that, and they spent their free times together.

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They did the things that interest all teenagers at that age,

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you know, they football games, projects, watching TV. Whatever it

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was they were into that and she also had a

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lot of friends. She was a very motivated girl, and

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she was very secure in her decision making, so she

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was kind of bold and her sister looked up to

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her for that. Her love, though, was playing basketball, and

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she would go and she loved playing at the local

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public courts that they had, And she didn't have just

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free reign though of the parent. Well we got parishes here,

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I know, it were like the only ones, right, we

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have parishes. Everybody else has counties. But she went to

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the local ones and she didn't have free reign of

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her parish or her county. She did have rules in

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her household, and one of the main rules in her

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household was that she had a ten o'clock curfew which

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she had to obey. And she wasn't known to give

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her parents really any trouble beyond the typical teenager shenanigans.

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She was a good kid. She was not troubled, and

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her parents were very proud of her and all the

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things that she had accomplished to this date. But on

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April twenty seventh, two thousand and six, it was a

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typical Thursday for the teenager who had school, and then

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she did have plans for the afternoon afterwards, where she

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was also one of those kids that was very responsible,

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and she was responsible enough to tell everybody what her

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plans were so that they would know where she was.

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Around three thirty in the afternoon, Ashley left her house

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and she was headed for a job interview, and she

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had told her sister this, she had told her family this.

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After that interview, her plans were then to go play

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some pickup basketball at a local court, like I told you,

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and she promised her mama that she would be back

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by curfew, And there was no inkling at that moment

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when she walked out of the door that all of

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their lives would just be changed forever in just a

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few hours. So the hours passed by. Ashley was at

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her interview and then she went to go play her

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basketball game. But then curfew time came around and Ashley

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was a no show. So a little concerned, her parents

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began calling her phone, blowing it up like we all do,

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blowing up the phone, Where are you? Where are you?

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But this is before the days of life three sixty

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you had to actually answer the phone, and Ashley just

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wasn't answering, So they went the parents went and got

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her little sister. Casey said, look, have you heard from Ashley?

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And she said, no, I haven't heard from her. They

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said she was going on the interview. How did the

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interview go? And she said, look, I haven't spoken to her.

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I don't even know how the interview went. And they

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followed up with some text message. But those text messages

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that they sent to Ashley, those two remained unanswered. And

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I'm sure we can all imagine the slight annoyance that

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would come along with that, like answer the damn phone,

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I'm paying the bill, answer the phone. But that slight

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annoyance would turn to concern and then evolve into just

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outright panic because their teen daughter would not answer the phone,

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and nobody could tell them where she was, not even

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the people who were friends with her that knew where

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she was supposed to be. And I'm sure they'd a

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pit in their stomachs as the minutes, you know, painstakingly

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passed by with no answer as to where their baby

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girl was. So eventually her parents made the horrifying call

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to police explaining that their daughter was missing, a teenage

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girl late at night, not answering her phone, and their

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minds immediately were just jumping off into worst case scenarios.

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Hours continued to go by and no word no one

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had seen her and no one had heard from her,

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which left police with zero leads to follow. So, with

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nothing in their arsenal that just jumped out to them

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that hey, this is what we need to go check out.

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They began trying to analyze Ashley's inner circle and to

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question anyone who might be in a position to affect

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her whereabouts. Now, you know, I know kids aren't allowed

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to go missing. I've said that a lot adults are

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allowed to go missing. Seventeen year old is kind of

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a weird age because they're old enough to be able

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to take care of themselves in the moment, they're old

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enough to run away. But the detective that took the

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call said he could just tell in her mother's voice

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that there was something more to this and that it

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was just not the average my teenager won't answer the phone,

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and that's why he jumped on it so quickly, not

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making them wait any longer. That then he you know,

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they wanted to, and so when they started talking to

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her inner circle, this included talking to her friends, her

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tight friends, and they also said, Look, we haven't talked

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to her, she hasn't answered. So life fact, and I'm

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gonna tell you this, and I know it from experience.

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Teenage girls may ignore their parents, and they may ignore

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people that they don't care about, but they do not

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ignore their friends. And this may not be direct evidence

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in the fact that something happened to her and that

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there's a problem, but it definitely was red flag number one.

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She wouldn't even answer her friends that knew her secrets, right,

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So where was she and what was she doing? So

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the Saint Clair County Sheriff's Office took the case really

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seriously and they immediately were out and about doing questioning

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but also looking for Ashley. And this is why concern

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grew exponentially soon thereafter, because they were able to locate

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Ashley's boyfriend's SUV which was abandoned in the Latterman Park

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in Belleville, and it still had some of Ashley's items

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still in it. Now why this was so important was

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because I want to make sure I make this note

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to you, was that he had actually loaned his personal

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vehicle to Ashley to go on that interview and then

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to go to the basketball game. So they found the

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car and know Ashley, but the items inside of the

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vehicle are found inside of the vehicle were also raising

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that concern level because they included the very outfit that

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she had taken with her to wear to the job interview,

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and there was also the change of clothes that she

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would have needed afterwards to go play in the basketball game.

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So if the clothing for every stop she planned to

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make was still in the car, then it's beyond alarming

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to realize that she clearly hadn't made any of the

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plans stops. So the investigators took the clothing and looked

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at it, and it was very clear to them that

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it also had not been worn. It wasn't like she

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had gone to the interview and then changed clothes or

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was you know, changing or something like that. It was

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fresh laundry and had not been used. And so in

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case someone was wondering, if you know, maybe her timeline

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had changed, or you know, something like that, or maybe

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you're like, oh, well, maybe she made some more stops,

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the timeline hadn't changed and the clothing had never been worn,

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So it wasn't like the timeline was just off and

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the clothing had been changed. And that's when Ies quickly

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began to focus on her boyfriend, Jeremy Smith. So a

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little bit about Jeremy. He was an all American guy.

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Her parents loved him. They thought of him as just

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a likable guy looking at him. He had this dirty

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blonde hair, kind of brown as dirty blonde. And he

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was a solid guy, both in character and in stature.

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As it's common that those who have ill will towards

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us tend to be those that are closest to us. Statistically,

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this was a logical direction for the police to go

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in to go check further into who might know where

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Ashley is. So Jeremy was brought in and he was

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questioned about his last couple of days with Ashley, and

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he seemed to come across as completely genuine. He was upfront, honest,

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and he was open in his answers, and his demeanor

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was really calm. His statements to the police, he was

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just openly saying how he loved Ashley. He used those

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words a lover, and he said, I've been crying over

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her disappearance. I just I don't know what to do.

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He also had a solid alibi as to his whereabouts

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when she was believed to have gone missing. He was

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at this bar and grill with his uncle in another town,

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and it was solid. He really was there. Ashley too,

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he said, had messaged him at some point saying, hey,

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call me when you get a chance, and he hadn't

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called her back, and he vocalizes that, man, I wish

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I would have called her back looking back on it now,

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you know, and he kind of like The detectives then

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stepped out of the room, I guess to talk to

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each other. And after he says that, he just his

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head kind of dropped down on the table and he

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began to cry, you know, openly, and the cameras caught

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it all. He just seemed so genuine. So when the

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detective returned to the room and the two started to

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get into more specifics about the last communication between the two,

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the detective honed in on like specifically, when was the

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last time y'all spoke and when was the last time

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that you talked to her? It was yesterday between it

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was around nunish between like eleven and on. She said,

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I'm gonna go to this interview and I'm gonna go

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play basketball. Now listen to that. What was odd about it?

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Was that the park that she would have gone to

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meet people to play basketball in was a considerable distance

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from her home and from the school, so it just

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seemed like an odd choice of location of where to

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go play. So police followed up with a friend who confirmed, yeah,

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that that's true, and so they're like, okay, well what

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was you know, what was with the game? You know

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what was going on? And that friend added, well, she

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usually would meet up with an unnamed man that was

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a little bit older to play ball. So like, who snap,

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right there, right, we've got red flag number two rearing

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its ugly face. We thought this was just going to

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be a basketball game. Why is this random man that

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no one knows anything about meeting a teen girl at

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a faraway park and her parents don't know it, nor

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does her boyfriend know it. It's not looking good. So meanwhile, students, neighbors,

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family friends, everyone is out now searching for Ashley. And

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Ashley's sister and her mother. They were in their car

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and they were just driving around town aimlessly, like looking

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for her. But they also had her phone bill literally

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in their hands, and so they just started dialing those

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numbers on the list. And I thought that was kind

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of genius, right, just start calling everybody in the list.

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Let's see who all this is now missing more than

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twenty four hours. This was just beyond distressing. Twenty four hours.

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I know I've kind of said this quickly, but the

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girl's been gone twenty four hours and they are just

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we're talking, you know, hundreds of calls to her phone,

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tons of text messages, yet nothing in response. So they're

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just knocking out these phone numbers. And when they do that,

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they you know, share that information with police. And this

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is where police realize that there's someone they may need

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to talk to, because while Ashley's mom and their and

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sister were reviewing those phone records to see who she

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had last spoken with, they found a number that was

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in her call log, and by in her call log,

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I mean a lot in her call log. This was,

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like I said, mentioned to the police. And so they

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took that number and they traced that number and found

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it to be owned by the same person that Ashley's

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friends seemed to be talking about, mentioning that she may

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have gone to play basketball with, and the police found

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that his name was Samson Shelton, known as Sam for short.

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So I wanted to give you a little bit of

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background on Sam, and he's not this creepy guy or

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something that at this point it kind of seemed like

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he would have been. They were kind of surprised or like, oh,

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he was actually a teacher who was known to go

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play basketball with Ashley. So it's kind of like, oh, okay,

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well that's not as crazy as where most minds would

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have gone. A matter of fact, the fact that they

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spoke on the phone outside of school a lot is

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what struck me personally as an issue in an immediate

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red flag number two, Like you know, or I guess

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this would be number three. Why would a teacher be

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talking to a student on a cell phone that much? Like,

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what could you possibly have in common with this kid

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that you know goes to high school? So they kind

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of wanted to find out more about this teacher. Now, again,

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he's not scary, y'all. He previously met Ashley because he

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was her seventh grade teacher. Now she's a junior now.

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He taught her whenever she was in seventh grade, but

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they had maintained contact throughout the years. They both loved sports,

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and Sam wasn't teaching her now he had actually moved schools.

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That's common, and you know, teachers will move schools throughout

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their career. And he now worked as a Freiberg High

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School driver's ed teacher and he was also the gym

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teacher there. Now, well, I'm going to also be first

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to tell you this Sam is a traditionally handsome man.

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He too has that dirty blonde brownish hair. It's cut

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into a traditional man's cut, and he's got really pretty

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blue eyes. He was born March ninth of nineteen eighty

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and so he was in his late twenties whenever this

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case took place, and he seemed to be thriving as

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a teacher. His job interviews went well. He had a

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great work history, and he was also kind of jokingly

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thought of as the cute teacher when he was student teaching.

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But he knew it. He was told, it makes me

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think about it. This is so true. I went to

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Broadmore High School. Y'all shout out to any of my

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broad Moore peeps, and I remember, I think it was

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my junior year of high school, I think, and I

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was taking a science class, I don't remember exactly what

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it was, and we had this teacher come in and

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his name was his first name was Jared. Why can't

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I remember his last name? Let me tell you why.

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Because the teenage girl I was and all the other

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girls that went to school, we thought it was kind

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of funny. We called him Jared because we thought he

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was handsome instead of saying his last name. If you

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went to school with me, don't blast it. You know

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everything about me? Please online. But someone reached out to

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me to remind me what that guy's last name was.

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That that science teacher, because he was cute and y'all

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all know it. Well, this is kind of funny. But

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you fast forward twenty years from when he was student

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teaching with me as a student. When I got hired

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out where I work, I was in my new hire,

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my new teacher higher you know meeting we have, and

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I'll be damned if that man didn't come sit down

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next to me and I looked over and I went Jared,

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and he was like, uh yeah, And I was like,

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you remember me? He said no, I said, you taught

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me in high school. He was like, oh, hell, but uh,

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I guess what I'm saying is I understand this right?

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And I'm sure it was flattering and halfway embarrassing to

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be a young teacher and the girls think you're cute.

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You know, maybe it was flattering, but we are high

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school kids back then, and Ashley is a high school kid,

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so it's gross, like their kids gross. Okay, so more

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funny than flattering. But he kind of liked the fact

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that he was thought of as being handsome when he

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was a teenager. Just a little bit more about him too.

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He was really interested in law enforcement, having been a

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participant in the local Explorer program, which is a program

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we had that out here. It's now been revamped and

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it's the youth law enforcement you know program out here,

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but it used to be called the Explorer program, and

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it takes youth who are interested and want to know

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more about being police and they get trained in the program.

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It gives them a whole lot of hands on insight

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into the life of what it's like to be a

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police officer, but it ultimately is teaching and coaching them

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in career choices and good decisions for teenagers. He loved it.

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He thought that was great. But now in his late twenties,

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he stands six foot one, he's one hundred and ninety

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five pounds. Currently single, but definitely ready to mingle. And

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sure he still lived with his mom and his grandma,

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but he loved them both dearly and he wanted to

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make them proud. He also liked to go to country

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bars and he could be found their time to time

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drinking and line dancing. And he looked athletic. He has

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an athletic look about him. Think of think of a

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baseball player, you know, like the baseball coach or something.

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They look the part. Usually he was athletic too, because

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he moonlighted as a professional wrestler. I know, you want

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to know what his stage name was, because Mama wanted

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to know too, So I went and looked, and his

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stage name was actually in line with the thing he

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loved to do most because his stage name was quote

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unquote the teacher on the wrestling stage. So his stick

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or his costume on stage was he was in khakis

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and like a sweater vest. You know. The other ones

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looked like, I don't know, Nacho Libra or whatever. They've

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got the like the tight hulkogan looking outfits and masks

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and stuff, but not him. Sweater vest and khakis. He

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really played up the role and he was listed as

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a member of the Ultimate wrestling alliance and if you

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will even further into him, he participated in several Metro

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East Prize rings of that area, So I mean he

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was good at it. I personally find cheesing cheesing. Did

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y'all just gonna say cheazing? Good God, I personally find

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wrestling cheesy, like you know, think whole Cogan and all that.

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But hey, you know, different strokes, different folks. That was

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his thing. So knowing that he was one of the

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last people to speak with Ashley, the police decided, you know,

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maybe we need to go see him. We need to

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know if maybe he knows more about her whereabouts. The

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police did not consider him a major lead though, and

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anything really at this point was a lead, because they

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were coming up on almost thirty hours of Ashley being

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missing and still did not have even an ounce of

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idea of where she could be. So police pulled up

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to the high school and that's where they found Sam.

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He was still at baseball practice, yelling out instructions and

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cheering on the ball as they were working hard on

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the field, and so he seemed a bit surprised that

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the police were wanting to speak to him, but he

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still wanted to help and was happy to head down

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to the station to be interviewed. So when they made

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it back to the station, he was friendly and cooperative,

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saying that he wanted to help in any way possible,

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and he was, y'all still dressed in his coaching gear.

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He has on his baseball pants, he has on a

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long sleeve jersey with the number twenty one on it.

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He's still got his cleats on his feet. That's how

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quickly he was like, I'm on my way, I'm coming

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to help. And his statements were that, yes, you know,

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I know Ashley. We knew each other from school. We

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played basketball from time to time, and he just kind

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of was given the general information. But police kept questioning

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him because they just felt that he was holding back,

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that he still had more to share, and that maybe

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they were going to have to pride out of him.

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Even though he was kind and he was gentle in

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his response, it just came across as overly reserved to

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the seasoned detective. So the police kept questioning him, and

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they got to the point where they started asking him

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about them talking on the phone, them as in Ashley

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and Hilm talking on the phone, and he did acknowledge

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that this was the case. Yes, we speak on the phone,

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and he said, but recently, I've been kind of trying

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to distance myself from her, kind of separate myself from her.

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And so they kept prodding and they're like, well, why

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would you need to separate yourself from her? And he said, okay, look,

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she kind of seemed to be obsessed with me, and

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so it got weird and I just wanted her to

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kind of go away because she was acting obsessive, and

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so thinking about it, you're like, okay, well, this would

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justify why she had been calling him so much recently.

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But the problem police had with that statement was that

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the calls went both ways. She called him, he called her,

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she called him, he called her. Not just one way.

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Call it a gut instinct, but the investigators still felt

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like he was holding back. Although cooperative, he just didn't

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seem to be completely open with them. He did say,

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so they kind of went into the questions about, Okay,

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do y'all have have you all ever had any physical

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contact with one another? And he's like, I mean, we've

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hugged before, but I mean I don't think that's inappropriate.

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Teachers hugged their students, so they pressured him continuously to

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tell them more, which at first he denied knowing anything.

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He's like, I don't know anything. You keep asking me.

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I don't know. I can't make it up. I don't

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have any information for you. But they continued to question

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him for hours and he would not break He wouldn't

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say anything, and so the detectives were kind of cocking

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back in their seats, going, damn, man, I mean, how

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could he not know anything? And they just talked this much,

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it just didn't seem to jive. So then they bluntly

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presented to him in his faith, the fact that Ashley's

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friends were saying that they thought there was more to

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the relationship than just basketball and just teacher student relationship.

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So when they directly said it to him without him

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being guided or you know, he had never mentioned anything

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to that sort. But when they directly accused him or

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questioned him with what the other teenagers were saying, he

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almost immediately said, okay, fine, took a deep breath, Yeah,

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we messed around a little. That makes my stomach sick.

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As a teacher, it makes me friggin sick. But he

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admitted it, and he said they were just friends at first, Remember,

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he just kept saying we were just friends. Then he

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flip flopped and said in the next breath that he

462
00:25:47.279 --> 00:25:50.200
wanted a relationship with her and that there was a

463
00:25:50.200 --> 00:25:53.039
messing around. So it was like his his statement wasn't steady,

464
00:25:53.279 --> 00:25:55.559
and that is a clue you have to keep pressuring.

465
00:25:56.559 --> 00:26:00.039
So the questions intensified at this point, and then he

466
00:26:00.240 --> 00:26:05.480
dropped a bombshell that when you listen, well, it will

467
00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:08.799
almost make you question if what you just heard was legit.

468
00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.920
Did I just hear what he just said? Go ahead

469
00:26:11.920 --> 00:26:12.799
and take a listen to this.

470
00:26:13.119 --> 00:26:13.759
I will say this.

471
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:16.160
He never kissed. He never kissed.

472
00:26:16.359 --> 00:26:18.680
Yes, we did have sex in the back of the

473
00:26:18.759 --> 00:26:22.680
vehicle there and after that day I felt absolutely terrible

474
00:26:22.720 --> 00:26:23.079
about that.

475
00:26:23.799 --> 00:26:30.160
Wait, what excuse me? What did he really just clarify

476
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:35.160
to the police he never kissed her? Like what is this?

477
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.519
It's like, do you think this is the movie Pretty Woman,

478
00:26:38.079 --> 00:26:40.279
where you know kissing is what matters? Remember in the

479
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:42.640
movie She's like, I control who I kiss. Huh, what

480
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:46.000
in the shit is going on right now? I was

481
00:26:46.079 --> 00:26:51.559
so outdone when I heard that, as if it even mattered. Baby,

482
00:26:51.640 --> 00:26:54.680
you haven't sex with a kid, you think kissing matters

483
00:26:55.759 --> 00:26:58.240
like he knew not to cross that line of smooching

484
00:26:58.319 --> 00:27:02.119
or something so ridiculous. It really took me back. I'm again.

485
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:07.240
I was like, wait, what, So remember how I told

486
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:09.759
you he lived with his mama and his grandma. Well,

487
00:27:09.759 --> 00:27:11.839
this is actually going to come into play now at

488
00:27:11.839 --> 00:27:18.640
this point. Just because he had a completely inappropriate relationship

489
00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:22.319
with this team doesn't mean he knew where she was,

490
00:27:23.039 --> 00:27:26.440
but it sure would seem that he was close enough

491
00:27:26.480 --> 00:27:29.440
with her to at least warrant a motive right that

492
00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:35.119
she might be missing. So that's when police switched gears

493
00:27:35.160 --> 00:27:37.839
and tactics. When they heard him say that he had

494
00:27:37.880 --> 00:27:39.799
messed around with this girl, and then he admitted he

495
00:27:39.839 --> 00:27:42.880
had sex with her, but he didn't kiss her. Oh Jesus,

496
00:27:43.480 --> 00:27:48.680
that's when they completely switched tactics and they went in

497
00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.920
for the kill, no pun intended. They went in for

498
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:54.240
the kill. What do I mean by this? Y'all? They

499
00:27:54.319 --> 00:27:57.319
went and they hit him hard with the Granny card.

500
00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:03.240
That's right, yep. Sam had not been emotional at all

501
00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:08.759
to this point. But when Granny was brought up and

502
00:28:08.960 --> 00:28:11.880
they said, you know, you need to come clean. You

503
00:28:11.920 --> 00:28:16.279
need to come clean to make your grandma proud. That's

504
00:28:16.319 --> 00:28:21.000
when Sam's shell began to crack. The investigator then, I mean,

505
00:28:21.039 --> 00:28:23.279
it was pretty good. The investigator then impressed upon him

506
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:26.799
that his granny raised him right, she raised him up good,

507
00:28:27.279 --> 00:28:30.200
and that he needed to honor his granny by coming

508
00:28:30.240 --> 00:28:35.000
clean and telling the truth. And then the detective kind

509
00:28:35.000 --> 00:28:40.000
of leans in and he goes do it for Grandma Sam. So,

510
00:28:40.119 --> 00:28:46.200
as immature and almost comical as that seems, that statement seems, y'all,

511
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:50.160
it worked. They appealed to the emotion in Sam, and

512
00:28:50.200 --> 00:28:53.519
he started crying like a baby when his granny was

513
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:57.319
brought up. Now, before you feel sorry for Sam, remember

514
00:28:57.720 --> 00:29:01.279
he hadn't cried when he was told that Ashley was missing.

515
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.160
He didn't cry when he admitted to having sex with

516
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.599
a minor that was his student at one point either.

517
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:13.880
He only cried when his granny was brought up. And

518
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.240
that's when the tears started flowing. It sounds like he

519
00:29:17.279 --> 00:29:20.200
only really cares about himself and the fact that Granny's

520
00:29:20.240 --> 00:29:22.720
gonna find out that he likes to have sex with children.

521
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.839
So his story then changed that the two had seen

522
00:29:28.920 --> 00:29:32.000
each other the night she went missing or the afternoon

523
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.480
she went missing, and that they had gotten into a fight.

524
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.519
So as they got into the fight, he says that

525
00:29:39.559 --> 00:29:42.799
she was kicking and screaming and she started acting, you know,

526
00:29:42.920 --> 00:29:45.599
just crazy, and so he pulled over and he made

527
00:29:45.599 --> 00:29:47.559
her get out of the car, just get out of

528
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.359
my car before driving off. He said, I'm you know,

529
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:51.839
he wasn't dealing with it, and he made her just

530
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:53.640
get out of the car and he dumped her there,

531
00:29:53.640 --> 00:29:55.799
and he was like, I got to go. This is insane.

532
00:29:55.880 --> 00:29:57.839
And the problem with that is it seemed just a

533
00:29:57.880 --> 00:30:01.799
little too convenient that he just says, okay, fine, and

534
00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.839
he keeps breaking down more and more and more, and

535
00:30:03.880 --> 00:30:05.599
now he says, I kicked her out of the car,

536
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.240
which seems just way too convenient considering she's missing. So

537
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:15.319
they kept pressing him and they were like, so you know,

538
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.480
you really sit in one voice or telling us that

539
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:21.480
you cared about this girl, you wanted a relationship with

540
00:30:21.519 --> 00:30:26.240
this girl, you're sleeping with this girl, but you never

541
00:30:26.759 --> 00:30:30.319
went back to check on her after dumping her off,

542
00:30:30.359 --> 00:30:32.079
Like you made her get out of the car after

543
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:34.319
an argument, and then you just left and you never

544
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.480
went back. I mean, how would she have gotten home?

545
00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:38.519
What did you think was gonna happen when you made

546
00:30:38.519 --> 00:30:40.839
her get out on the side of the road, and

547
00:30:42.559 --> 00:30:46.000
I mean, they bring it up again. They're like, I mean,

548
00:30:46.119 --> 00:30:49.880
didn't you care about her at all, considering all the

549
00:30:49.960 --> 00:30:53.680
history y'all are having together. And that's when Sam cuts in,

550
00:30:54.119 --> 00:30:57.240
kind of cuts off the detective asking this question, and

551
00:30:57.279 --> 00:31:00.400
he just goes into this sort of like rant. It's

552
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:05.000
like this just rant about how he doesn't like scary

553
00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.079
things and he has a weak stomach, so he would

554
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:09.319
just be sick if she were to be hit by

555
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:11.720
a car or something. And then he goes on to

556
00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:13.319
say how he wouldn't be able to get it out

557
00:31:13.359 --> 00:31:15.279
of his mind if something had happened to her, and

558
00:31:15.559 --> 00:31:18.200
he added that, you know, even the Texas Chainsaw Masker movie,

559
00:31:18.240 --> 00:31:20.359
it scared me so much. I just I couldn't get

560
00:31:20.359 --> 00:31:22.200
it out of my head. To this day, I'm afraid

561
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:25.640
of the of the Texas Chainsaw massacre. And it's like

562
00:31:26.079 --> 00:31:30.039
just word vomit just going everywhere. So first of all,

563
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:32.440
you got to be asking yourself, who the hell said

564
00:31:32.440 --> 00:31:35.759
anything about her having been hurt? And what does the

565
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:40.160
Texas Chainsaw Mascer movie have to do with Ashley? And

566
00:31:40.240 --> 00:31:42.480
this is again what we would call a clue. This

567
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:45.599
total word vomit, you know, word vomit session of overly

568
00:31:45.640 --> 00:31:51.119
sharing information that wasn't asked for nor consistent with an

569
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:54.000
answer based in truth. It just seemed like over the top.

570
00:31:54.079 --> 00:31:57.079
It was too much information, and it seemed like a

571
00:31:57.119 --> 00:32:01.000
poor attempt at convincing the interviewer that talking to him

572
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.680
of something that hasn't even been mentioned or alluded to

573
00:32:05.799 --> 00:32:08.480
yet as not being probable. It was just it was

574
00:32:08.480 --> 00:32:13.079
way too much. If he left her there, okay, then

575
00:32:13.359 --> 00:32:15.200
what did you What did you do all night? Then

576
00:32:15.240 --> 00:32:17.039
you left her there? You never went back for even

577
00:32:17.039 --> 00:32:18.799
though you care about her, you were too afraid to

578
00:32:18.839 --> 00:32:20.680
go back in case she randomly, in your head, got

579
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.359
hit by a car. You didn't want to see that.

580
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:27.079
So what did you do all night? Well, he answers

581
00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:28.759
that and said that he decided to go blow off

582
00:32:28.759 --> 00:32:31.680
some steam, so he went out line dancing at a bar,

583
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.640
which police immediately went to go check out, and sure

584
00:32:34.759 --> 00:32:38.160
enough they were able to verify he was on tape.

585
00:32:38.200 --> 00:32:42.960
He was on video dancing and having fun. It also

586
00:32:43.200 --> 00:32:49.160
wasn't what was there that was so interesting to police,

587
00:32:49.200 --> 00:32:52.960
but more about what wasn't there? And this is what

588
00:32:53.039 --> 00:32:56.359
I mean, so he's saying that he dumped her, and

589
00:32:56.400 --> 00:32:59.039
then he's saying that he went line dancing. Well, the

590
00:32:59.119 --> 00:33:01.640
police were interested. End though, was the fact that Sam

591
00:33:01.720 --> 00:33:05.440
had not tried to contact her since he dropped her

592
00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:09.319
off on the side of the road, like ever again,

593
00:33:09.880 --> 00:33:12.759
like ever again. He never tried to contact her again

594
00:33:12.799 --> 00:33:16.519
after that point, so that was very interesting to them.

595
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:21.359
By this point, Sam had been being questioned for nearly

596
00:33:21.480 --> 00:33:25.720
twelve hours and Sam was falling apart, so police felt

597
00:33:25.759 --> 00:33:28.680
like he was on the edge and ready to break.

598
00:33:29.319 --> 00:33:34.519
So the police told Sam, look, Sam Ashley is out

599
00:33:34.519 --> 00:33:39.319
there somewhere and we need your help, and then quietly

600
00:33:39.440 --> 00:33:43.279
got close to him and said, Sam, do you know

601
00:33:43.400 --> 00:33:48.839
where she is? And Sam hesitated a bit and then

602
00:33:49.000 --> 00:33:54.559
he shook his head very sheepishly in the yes position. Yes.

603
00:33:56.640 --> 00:34:03.599
He then immediately emitted that he also had killed her.

604
00:34:04.319 --> 00:34:09.280
That's right. The panic then starts to almost take over.

605
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:12.199
He almost is like hyper roll hyper, and he's like

606
00:34:12.320 --> 00:34:14.280
wanting to talk to the police, and he's like look,

607
00:34:14.320 --> 00:34:16.159
you know, and he's real panicked and he says, look,

608
00:34:16.159 --> 00:34:17.840
I'll take you to her body, just I'll take you

609
00:34:17.880 --> 00:34:19.480
to her body right now. So we went from not

610
00:34:19.800 --> 00:34:22.559
you know, barely having a relationship to Yeah, I know

611
00:34:22.639 --> 00:34:24.840
her to No, I don't know what happened to Okay,

612
00:34:24.840 --> 00:34:27.960
we messed around a little bit to Oh, she was

613
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:29.800
just obsessed with me and I tried to break it

614
00:34:29.840 --> 00:34:33.000
off to Okay, actually we're having sex too. We were

615
00:34:33.000 --> 00:34:36.000
in a fight, so I dumped her off to now, okay,

616
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:39.559
I went line dancing, but I also killed her. It's

617
00:34:39.639 --> 00:34:45.039
all over the place here he is at that breaking point,

618
00:34:45.559 --> 00:34:52.199
I shoulder of her. Remember, she's been missing over an

619
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:55.639
entire day and night, thirty plus hours at this point,

620
00:34:55.719 --> 00:34:58.000
so I'm sure the police were thrilled. He was leading

621
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:00.719
them to her body, but it had been rainy, and

622
00:35:00.760 --> 00:35:03.480
the evidence still may not be there, and it may

623
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.000
not be well preserved. So time was of the essence

624
00:35:06.119 --> 00:35:08.880
to find her body. So they loaded into a vehicle

625
00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:12.360
and they headed straight to Citizens Park in Belleville. And

626
00:35:12.440 --> 00:35:15.719
this wasn't a small park either. This park encompasses forty

627
00:35:15.760 --> 00:35:19.159
five acres and another part about it is that it's

628
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:23.159
easily accessible from Route thirteen, which makes it a perfect

629
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:26.840
area for there to be a quick getaway. It's a

630
00:35:26.920 --> 00:35:30.880
highly recreational park. It's got lighted softball diamonds and a

631
00:35:30.920 --> 00:35:34.559
first class baseball field, which seems really fitting as a

632
00:35:34.679 --> 00:35:37.800
choice for where Sam would have gone, and he would

633
00:35:37.840 --> 00:35:42.679
have been familiar with it. One problem arose though, once

634
00:35:42.760 --> 00:35:47.280
they got there, and that would be that when he

635
00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:52.079
dumped her body, he was admittedly under a lot of stress. Wow,

636
00:35:52.960 --> 00:35:57.000
but it was also at night. So they go out

637
00:35:57.000 --> 00:36:01.000
there with flashlights, they're looking around, and and that's when

638
00:36:01.039 --> 00:36:04.079
he just says, I don't know, man, I don't know

639
00:36:04.079 --> 00:36:06.760
where she is when I dumped her. I just got

640
00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:08.440
out of here and I booked it. Those were his

641
00:36:08.480 --> 00:36:11.559
exact words, actually, And so they kind of looked around

642
00:36:11.599 --> 00:36:13.559
for a while, going, damn, I hope he's not lying

643
00:36:13.559 --> 00:36:15.360
to us. Is he taking us on a wild goose chase?

644
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:17.519
What is going on here? He lied so much, should

645
00:36:17.559 --> 00:36:21.719
we believe him or not? The dense woods and the

646
00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.320
rain that was happening at the time was just making

647
00:36:24.360 --> 00:36:29.800
this a really difficult area to search. So after walking

648
00:36:29.800 --> 00:36:33.199
the woods for over half an hour, they're going back

649
00:36:33.199 --> 00:36:38.000
and forth with the flashlights looking. One officer's flashlight passed

650
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:41.280
over in the distance what looked like a person, So

651
00:36:41.320 --> 00:36:44.719
they flashed back real quick and sure enough, lying on

652
00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:48.800
the ground was the broken and bruised body of seventeen

653
00:36:48.880 --> 00:36:54.480
year old Ashley Reeves, found just at a m She

654
00:36:54.639 --> 00:36:59.360
was clearly dead, not moving. Her arms were bent at

655
00:36:59.360 --> 00:37:03.440
the elbow and her hands were curled up almost like

656
00:37:03.519 --> 00:37:05.719
under her chin. Her head was tilted to the left,

657
00:37:05.800 --> 00:37:07.400
laying to the left, and her hands were kind of

658
00:37:07.760 --> 00:37:11.199
bent up by her head. But her hands were bent

659
00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:14.440
hard at the wrists. Okay, so if you imagine, my

660
00:37:14.559 --> 00:37:16.280
arms are bent and they're up by my head, but

661
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:19.320
my hands they're bent really really hard, and they almost

662
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:22.840
looked like the way hands atrophy when someone has like

663
00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:26.039
a serious brain injury, if you've ever seen that, and

664
00:37:26.119 --> 00:37:28.480
what I'm talking about. And so she was laying on

665
00:37:28.480 --> 00:37:30.559
her back, and she had on a blue and white

666
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:35.519
baseball looking old time baseball looking shirt, had a white chest,

667
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.519
had had blue three quarter length sleeves, and she's in

668
00:37:38.559 --> 00:37:41.360
her blue jeans and her head is laying to the

669
00:37:41.440 --> 00:37:45.079
left and her hair is just matted in leaves, and

670
00:37:45.119 --> 00:37:48.559
it's just like, ugh, you know, this young life cut

671
00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:52.519
short and over what like what would drive you to

672
00:37:52.599 --> 00:37:56.480
do this? And honestly, it was a pitiful sight. She

673
00:37:56.599 --> 00:38:01.320
was covered in thousands and thousands of bites, and her

674
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.960
throat bore the clear signs of strangulation horizontal lines across

675
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.679
her neck, so something must have been used as she

676
00:38:09.800 --> 00:38:13.880
was strangled. Her tongue was swollen and it protruded out

677
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:16.639
of her mouth, and she also had the remnants of

678
00:38:17.320 --> 00:38:21.239
spit and like bloody foam in the corners of her mouth.

679
00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.079
When her eyes and her eyelids were pulled open, you

680
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:27.639
could see that where the whites should have been of

681
00:38:27.719 --> 00:38:33.639
her eyes, it was this puffy, red, swollen, bloody looking eyes,

682
00:38:34.320 --> 00:38:37.079
like what you would expect of someone who has strangled

683
00:38:37.400 --> 00:38:43.199
to death. So for perspective, conscious victims of strangulation will

684
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.320
first feel terror and severe pain, and then if the

685
00:38:47.320 --> 00:38:52.719
strangulation persists, then comes the unconsciousness. But before lapsing into

686
00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:58.599
that unconsciousness, a strangulation victim usually will resist violently, and

687
00:38:58.639 --> 00:39:02.679
they usually reduce some type of injury to the face

688
00:39:02.800 --> 00:39:05.480
or to the hands of the assailant who is trying

689
00:39:05.480 --> 00:39:08.480
to strangle them, unless maybe they were, you know, drugged

690
00:39:08.639 --> 00:39:12.440
or incapacitated in some way and unable to fight. So

691
00:39:12.599 --> 00:39:14.800
as detectives are sitting there and they're looking over her

692
00:39:14.840 --> 00:39:18.000
body with their flashlights in the dark, they're awaiting the

693
00:39:18.079 --> 00:39:21.920
coroner to arrive. The officers had they all had this

694
00:39:22.400 --> 00:39:27.199
solemn quietness about them looking over this young girl's life

695
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:32.039
that had been just stripped from her, when suddenly an

696
00:39:32.119 --> 00:39:36.760
officer's gasp cut through the quiet of the night, followed

697
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:40.679
by did you just see that? So everyone's eyes quickly

698
00:39:40.719 --> 00:39:43.159
fixed to the spot of the officer's flashlight where it

699
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:46.679
was pointing, and he said, I think her chest just rose.

700
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:50.440
So they all got closer and they're like, no way, bro,

701
00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:55.960
she's dead. But then an eyelid twitch. So one of

702
00:39:55.960 --> 00:39:58.360
the officers dropped down to his knees and he grabs

703
00:39:58.400 --> 00:40:00.360
her hand so tenderly, and you can see in the

704
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:03.920
bodycam video Ashley, Ashley, can you hear me, honey, Ashley?

705
00:40:04.679 --> 00:40:06.559
And they flashed the light in her eyes, and she

706
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.360
didn't verbal you know, she didn't verbally respond, but her

707
00:40:09.840 --> 00:40:13.440
pupils reacted to the light and they all saw it,

708
00:40:13.639 --> 00:40:16.760
and so the urgency in their voices obvious, you can

709
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:19.519
tell it in the body cam footage. And they start yelling,

710
00:40:19.519 --> 00:40:22.119
get an ambulance, get an ambulance. She's alive, She's alive.

711
00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:25.840
And suddenly the obviously dead girl was seeming to just

712
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:29.239
have a flash of life left in her. She couldn't move,

713
00:40:29.679 --> 00:40:33.000
she couldn't respond, she couldn't in any way communicate with

714
00:40:33.039 --> 00:40:37.039
these officers around her, but they assured her that they

715
00:40:37.079 --> 00:40:39.400
would do what they could to protect her, and she

716
00:40:39.519 --> 00:40:42.639
was rushed to the hospital. But paramedics told those officers

717
00:40:42.639 --> 00:40:46.360
that they would be beyond surprised if she even survived

718
00:40:46.360 --> 00:40:49.559
the ride. She was barely breathing. I mean, this was

719
00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:54.199
like the death rattle. So clearly, at this point, Sam

720
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:57.920
had been arrested and he was in police custody. Back

721
00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:02.400
at the station, they were documenting his body through photographs.

722
00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:04.360
You know, they'll take your shirt off and they're taking pictures,

723
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.320
and so they're photographing his hands and his wrists and

724
00:41:07.320 --> 00:41:09.800
all that. But they were very surprised to find that

725
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:14.519
he had no marks on him, like none, zero, not

726
00:41:14.639 --> 00:41:19.079
a scratch, And that's just not a coincidence and beyond

727
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:22.719
weird considering the level of violence that had been inflicted

728
00:41:22.800 --> 00:41:26.480
upon this young girl. So that's when officers wondered if

729
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:30.320
Ashley had been able to fight back or did something

730
00:41:30.360 --> 00:41:34.960
else happen before he started to strangle her, And that

731
00:41:35.119 --> 00:41:39.239
is when they asked some questions, and Sam gave one

732
00:41:39.280 --> 00:41:44.719
of the coldest confessions of what all he did to Ashley,

733
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:48.880
a seventeen year old girl who he once taught in

734
00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:53.199
the seventh grade. During their fight that they had in

735
00:41:53.239 --> 00:41:56.639
the car. He admitted that he grabbed her in a

736
00:41:56.760 --> 00:41:59.599
choke hold, one of the famous moves that he often

737
00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:04.280
would practiced during his wrestling, and as he squeezed, she

738
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:08.280
began to struggle, and as she struggled, he would squeeze

739
00:42:08.320 --> 00:42:13.679
even harder and harder and harder and so hard that

740
00:42:13.679 --> 00:42:18.320
that constant pressure that was applied tighter and tighter. He

741
00:42:18.440 --> 00:42:21.559
kept squeezing, and then he said he felt and heard

742
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:29.280
a loud snap, and Ashley immediately dropped limp. It went boom,

743
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:33.239
and then her body just collapsed limp. He had squeezed

744
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:38.679
her so hard around her neck he literally snapped her neck,

745
00:42:39.079 --> 00:42:43.199
breaking it and this explained why she was unable to

746
00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:46.119
fight back. Hence he had no visible scratch marks on

747
00:42:46.760 --> 00:42:51.440
his body. Her body was paralyzed and she went into shock,

748
00:42:51.519 --> 00:42:55.960
needing immediate attention, and she was also suffering severe brain

749
00:42:56.039 --> 00:43:01.880
trauma when her neck snapped. Then explain what he did,

750
00:43:01.960 --> 00:43:03.440
and I want you to listen to him in his

751
00:43:03.519 --> 00:43:08.320
own words as he callously details his next steps with

752
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:12.840
Ashley's body. Did he get help? Of course, not take

753
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:13.360
a listen.

754
00:43:13.639 --> 00:43:17.159
I took the belt, I pulled. I pull it on

755
00:43:17.559 --> 00:43:19.000
her neck. I don't know how long I hold on,

756
00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:22.840
and it turned my head because I didn't want to see.

757
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:25.480
And all of a sudden I heard I heard like

758
00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:28.400
a gurgle, and then all of a sudden, when I

759
00:43:28.440 --> 00:43:31.639
heard the gurgle, I let go. And when I let go,

760
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:37.639
she had spit home coming out of her mouth. And

761
00:43:37.760 --> 00:43:42.360
then i'd then I'd seen that she was the sickest

762
00:43:42.360 --> 00:43:43.800
color I'd ever seen.

763
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:45.920
My dune was like.

764
00:43:46.639 --> 00:43:50.440
Kind of protruding like between like that between the teeth.

765
00:43:51.119 --> 00:43:55.440
Y'all snapped her neck in a chokehold, and that wasn't enough.

766
00:43:55.519 --> 00:43:58.639
Then took off his belt and strangled her with it.

767
00:43:59.000 --> 00:44:04.119
He wrapped around her neck and then used it for leverage,

768
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.159
putting her foot on her and just using it for

769
00:44:06.280 --> 00:44:11.320
legge leverage, and then strangling her until she stopped breathing,

770
00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.519
or at least he thought. And then he just booked

771
00:44:14.519 --> 00:44:17.440
it out of there, dumped her in the woods, and

772
00:44:17.480 --> 00:44:23.119
then just left to go line dancing. That's cold. That's cold.

773
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:25.440
That is so cold hearted. Do you know how much

774
00:44:25.519 --> 00:44:29.320
pressure you would need to freaking break a belt? You're

775
00:44:29.400 --> 00:44:32.840
squeezing a belt around someone's neck so tight that you

776
00:44:33.039 --> 00:44:38.199
break the belt. That is incredible to me. He meant business, y'all,

777
00:44:38.239 --> 00:44:42.360
This was no accident. He didn't just panic. He meant this.

778
00:44:42.559 --> 00:44:45.880
He absolutely meant this. And then he never called for help,

779
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:49.239
He never offered her assistance, and he tried to finish

780
00:44:49.400 --> 00:44:51.119
her off. I've got some photos for you too on

781
00:44:51.159 --> 00:44:54.280
Patreon if you can go check him out. So Sam

782
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:58.679
was arrested right and while he was awaiting jail, he

783
00:44:58.800 --> 00:45:02.880
then made the most incredible, most out of touch with

784
00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:06.480
the reality statements that I I'm telling you I've heard

785
00:45:06.480 --> 00:45:10.119
a lot. This was just unbelievable. He asked the detectives

786
00:45:10.360 --> 00:45:12.480
if he was gonna be able to go home and

787
00:45:12.519 --> 00:45:16.000
get his contact solution so his eyes didn't hurt, and

788
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.599
he also wanted his toothbrush before he was booked into

789
00:45:19.639 --> 00:45:23.880
the jail. Did Ashley get her contact solution as she

790
00:45:24.039 --> 00:45:27.280
lay with a broken neck in the woods for thirty hours?

791
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:32.559
Sam he then also asked, y'all's unbelievable. He then also

792
00:45:32.679 --> 00:45:35.679
asked for his own private toilet. Am I gonna get

793
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:38.559
my own private toilet? He said, you know, because I

794
00:45:38.559 --> 00:45:41.079
have a urinary stress disorder and I couldn't pee in

795
00:45:41.079 --> 00:45:43.840
front of people. It would just and direct quote, I

796
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:50.000
would just be miserable if I had to share a toilet. Oh, motherfucker,

797
00:45:50.119 --> 00:45:51.599
I don't even know what else to say. Right here,

798
00:45:51.760 --> 00:45:53.679
Your deck worked fine when you were having sex with

799
00:45:53.719 --> 00:45:56.239
an underage kid in the back of her car in public,

800
00:45:56.480 --> 00:46:00.480
It worked just fine. Then now you're shy. Now you're

801
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.760
shy having to t tee in front of people. Where

802
00:46:03.760 --> 00:46:06.800
do you think Ashley pede for thirty hours when she

803
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:10.199
couldn't move, she couldn't fight off the bugs biting her

804
00:46:10.400 --> 00:46:15.199
or the animals nibbling on her. I'll tell you where.

805
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:20.760
She pissed on herself, in the woods, on the ground, alone,

806
00:46:21.199 --> 00:46:24.000
in the cold, and in the rain. So sorry if

807
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:28.119
I don't have an ounce of sympathy for this moron

808
00:46:28.239 --> 00:46:33.440
right here. He was charged with attempted murder, but he

809
00:46:33.519 --> 00:46:38.320
made bail right afterwards while he was awaiting trial. And

810
00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:42.440
this is when the douche meets the frickin' bag. This

811
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:46.840
douchebag here, Then he's all scared and sad right about

812
00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:48.920
what he's just done to a child, and so he

813
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:52.440
makes this half ass attempt at committing suicide. But let's

814
00:46:52.480 --> 00:46:54.800
talk about it. And I'm not knocking suicide or making

815
00:46:54.800 --> 00:46:56.960
it seem like it's not a big deal, but let's

816
00:46:56.960 --> 00:46:59.000
talk about what he did. He took a handful of

817
00:46:59.079 --> 00:47:03.559
pills and then rugged some yaeger. Dude, that's a Saturday

818
00:47:03.599 --> 00:47:05.800
night in Louisiana for half the people here, like, what

819
00:47:05.840 --> 00:47:08.000
are you talking about? You took some pills and chugged

820
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:11.519
some yaeger and then the douchebag calls nine to one one.

821
00:47:11.679 --> 00:47:14.960
They show up and he starts fighting them and spitting

822
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:17.920
at them like this real attempt of he wants to die.

823
00:47:18.320 --> 00:47:20.360
And then they get him to the hospital and he

824
00:47:20.400 --> 00:47:22.840
has written a note on his chest that's like, don't

825
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.840
save me. It was not a legitimate attempt. It was

826
00:47:26.920 --> 00:47:29.639
some ploy to get sympathy. When he went to court,

827
00:47:29.800 --> 00:47:32.000
he knows it. I know it. God knows it. Now,

828
00:47:32.079 --> 00:47:35.199
you know it. Sam, You're a douchebag if you're listening.

829
00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.400
So he does eventually plead guilty, and he sent its

830
00:47:39.440 --> 00:47:43.360
to twenty years in prison. On June fifteenth, two thousand

831
00:47:43.360 --> 00:47:46.599
and seven and guess what, you're gonna love this. He

832
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.880
was just recently released on parole from the Illinois Department

833
00:47:50.880 --> 00:47:53.760
of Corrections. When I say just recently released, I mean

834
00:47:53.800 --> 00:47:56.360
this year right now while you're listening to this. On

835
00:47:56.480 --> 00:47:59.880
April twenty second, after he served seventeen years of his

836
00:47:59.880 --> 00:48:04.239
twenty year sentence, he was released. Poetically, I guess he

837
00:48:04.320 --> 00:48:07.199
did serve one year in prison for every year of

838
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.440
Ashley's life at the time that he tried to kill her.

839
00:48:10.159 --> 00:48:12.400
And he's going to remain on parole for the remaining

840
00:48:12.440 --> 00:48:15.079
three years of his sentence, which will make him forty

841
00:48:15.119 --> 00:48:17.000
seven years old when it's all said and done. So,

842
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:19.039
he is free and he is out there. So if

843
00:48:19.079 --> 00:48:21.519
you're in the great state of Illinois, hey, you should

844
00:48:21.519 --> 00:48:23.199
suggest my podcast to him so I can tell me

845
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:27.440
he's a fucking booshbag. Ashley did end up surviving, and

846
00:48:27.480 --> 00:48:30.239
she had a very long road to recovery, y'all. She

847
00:48:30.280 --> 00:48:34.559
had to relearn to walk, to talk, to speak, to swallow,

848
00:48:34.960 --> 00:48:37.639
to do all of the basics. She was in a

849
00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:41.320
coma for a long time because her brain wouldn't He

850
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:44.239
just kept relapsing and she wouldn't wake up. And even

851
00:48:44.239 --> 00:48:47.440
when she did wake up, she couldn't do much. This

852
00:48:47.599 --> 00:48:51.119
was a very slow process. It wasn't quick recovery. But

853
00:48:51.280 --> 00:48:55.360
Ashley was a fighter, and I'm happy to report, as

854
00:48:55.440 --> 00:48:57.880
is not usually the case in my podcast, I am

855
00:48:57.920 --> 00:49:02.800
happy to report that Ashley made a full recovery and

856
00:49:02.880 --> 00:49:09.079
today she's married and she's a mother of children. Now,

857
00:49:09.199 --> 00:49:12.239
while I know that Sam's family didn't do this, I

858
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:14.599
was reading an article where they were quoted as saying

859
00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:20.920
that he pled guilty to stop the assassination of his character. Well,

860
00:49:21.679 --> 00:49:25.119
the only assassination attempt I saw was of a seventeen

861
00:49:25.159 --> 00:49:28.079
year old girl, if you want to put it blunt

862
00:49:28.400 --> 00:49:30.119
and so, I guess you know. They say a good

863
00:49:30.159 --> 00:49:33.000
woman will stay by your side no matter how much

864
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:36.880
you lie, you cheat, or steal. But me, personally, I

865
00:49:36.920 --> 00:49:38.679
don't know who the hell that woman is other than

866
00:49:38.719 --> 00:49:40.559
your mama, Sam, because it's sure ain't us.